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A
Okay,
so
now
you'll
see
at
the
top
that
blue
bar,
that
says,
the
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
as
a
reminder
for
any
members
of
the
public
calling
in
the
advisory
boards
and
commissions
and
committees,
meetings
are
posted
to
the
city's
youtube
channel.
So
you
can
view
anything
afterwards
as
well.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
markella
to
read
the
script,
to
get
us
off
and
running,
and
then,
let's
see
and
yeah,
and
then
I
think
roll
call
comes
after
that.
A
C
B
All
right,
sorry,
good
evening,
my
name
is
markella
and
I
am
the
co-chair
of
the
upper
harbour
terminal
cpc
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note.
That
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
of
authorized
under
minnesota
statues,
section
13
d
0.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
requirement.
A
D
A
E
A
With
saying
full
names,
I
am
a
little
out
of
practice.
Apologies
for
that
bill,
english.
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A
D
A
A
B
B
All
right
so
next
up,
we
just
have
an
approval
of
the
agenda.
So
if
I
can
get
a
motion
in
a
second,
we
can
go
ahead
and
prove
the
agenda
for
today.
A
Hey
tenessa,
sorry
to
call
you
out
and
sorry
to
interrupt
here,
inviting
roll
call.
Can
you
remind
us
what
the
button
to
unmute
is
mary
was
having
issues.
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A
D
J
E
K
E
B
My
bad
awesome,
thank
you.
Next
up,
we
have
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
from
january
27th.
I
am
trusting
that
everyone
looked
over
those
minutes.
Are
there
any
objections?
Any
changes
that
need
to
be
made.
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B
D
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E
A
Courtney,
schroeder,
all
right
that
is
nine
in
favor,
not
opposed
no
abstentions.
The
january
27th
minutes
are
accepted.
Awesome.
B
Thank
you
just
pointing
out
that
we
are
like
11
minutes
behind,
so
I
know
we're
waiting
on
everyone
to
join
so
just
putting
that
out
there
so
that
we
can
stay
on
track
up
next,
we
have
a
presentation
on
the
draft
uht
aur
from
hillary
devorak
from
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
again
that
should
have
been
with
your.
M
I'm
hillary
devorak,
I'm
I'm
in
the
department
of
I'm
in
the
department
of
community
planning
and
economic
development,
I'm
a
principal
planner
in
the
land,
use
design
and
preservation
section,
and
I
am
the
staff
contact
for
environmental
reviews
for
the
city
of
minneapolis.
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
proposed
development
scenarios
that
were
studied
there
were
three.
There
was
a
no
build
and
then
scenario,
one
in
scenario,
two
specifically
for
scenarios,
one
and
two:
they
both
exceed
the
minimum
eaw
thresholds.
However,
they
do
not
meet
the
eis
thresholds
and
because
there
is
no
specific
design
for
each
site,
the
auar
is
an
appropriate
form
of
environmental
review
for
this
project.
M
United
properties,
in
partnership
with
first
avenue
productions,
the
minneapolis
park
and
recreation
board
and
the
city
of
minneapolis
is
proposing
to
redevelop
the
53-acre
upper
harbor
terminal
site,
which
is
highlighted
on
the
map
on
the
screen.
Before
you,
a
proposed
19
and
a
half
acre
park
is
included
in
scenarios
1
and
2,
and
include
shared
use
paths
or
separated,
bikeways
and
pedestrian
circulation.
M
So
what
we
studied
in
the
aur
were
three
different
scenarios.
There
is
a
no
build
scenario
and
then
the
scenario
that
reflects
the
draft
coordinated
development
plan
and
then
the
maximum
density
allowed
under
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
you
can
see
from
the
chart
that
there
are
different
scales
of
development,
dwelling
units,
commercial
square,
footage,
etc.
M
M
For
the
no
build
scenario,
nothing
would
change.
No
mitigation
would
be
required
for
the
scenario,
because
nothing
would
would
change.
The
site
would
remain
as
is
this
is
the
development
plan
that
is
included
in
the
draft
coordinated
development
plan
and
that
was
developed
in
conjunction
with
the
collaborator
planning
committee.
So
this
should
be
very
familiar
to
all
of
you
scenario.
2
reflects
the
maximum
density
allowed
under
the
comprehensive
plan.
This
represents
the
upper
limits
of
what
could
be
built
on
the
site
per
the
2040
comprehensive
plan.
M
M
The
next
several
slides
we're
going
to
go
through
the
different
topic
areas
that
are
covered
in
the
auar
and
going
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
identified
potential
impacts
and
then
the
identified
mitigation
strategies
for
each
topic
area-
and
this
is
a
high
level
review
of
each
topic
area
and
there's
tons
of
information
included
in
the
aur.
So
I
hope
you've
read
or
I
encourage
you
to
read
through
the
document
because
there's
a
lot
of
background
that
goes
into
how
we
came
up
to
or
concluded
with
these
impacts
and
mitigation
strategies.
M
M
M
A
comprehensive
plan
amendment
to
align
the
proposed
parcels
with
the
future
land
use
plan
would
be
required
and
also
to
allow
additional
building
height,
and
that
is
specific
to
parcel
7.
Where
this,
the
collaborative
planning
committee
recommended
a
15-story
building
on
that
site
and
the
last
mitigation
strategy,
a
conditional
use
permit
and
height
premiums
to
allow
additional
building
height
would
be
required.
M
M
The
next
topic
area
is
water
resources,
and
that
is
broken
down
into
three
subsections.
The
first
is
surface
water,
which
is,
and
the
potential
impact
identified
is
upland.
Shoreline
grading
along
the
mississippi
river
is
proposed
within
the
park
area
for
restoration
and
then
there's
storm
water
and
storm.
Water
management
would
be
required
for
all
new
development
and
then
there's
the
wastewater
and
water
supply.
M
The
mitigation
strategies
for
those
potential
impacts
include
under
surface
water
regrading.
The
shoreline
would
require
permitting
with
minnesota
department
of
natural
resources
and
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers
for
storm
water.
Stormwater
infrastructure
would
comply
with
city
of
minneapolis
code
of
ordinances,
chapter
54
and
individual
and
district
system.
Stormwater
management
approaches
are
being
considered
and
then
for
wastewater
and
water
supply.
A
permit
will
be
required
from
the
metropolitan
council
for
a
sanitary
sewer
extension
and
permit
to
connect.
M
M
For
contamination
and
hazardous
waste,
the
impacts
identified
include
demolition,
debris
and
earth
materials
will
be
generated
during
demolition
of
the
existing
structures
within
the
aur
study
area,
construction
of
either
development
scenario
would
generate
construction,
related
waste
materials
such
as
wood,
packaging,
excess
materials
and
other
wastes,
and
scenarios.
One
and
two
would
generate
new
demands
on
solid
waste
management
and
sanitation
services
provided
in
the
project
area.
M
Under
fish
and
wildlife
and
plant
communities,
the
potential
impacts
identified
are
the
aura
study
area
provides
limited
and
low
quality
native
vegetation.
Habitat
wildlife
that
can
be
found
within
the
study
area
include
birds,
small
mammals
that
have
been
that
have
adapted
to
the
highly
disturbed
urban
environment
and
there
are
no
records
of
state
listed,
threatened,
endangered
and
special
concerned
species
within
the
auar
study
area.
However,
black
sanchel
muscle,
the
rusty
patched
bumblebee
peregrine
falcons
and
a
great
blue
heron
nesting
site
are
found
within
one
mile
of
the
study
area.
M
The
audubon
minnesota
bird,
safe
building
guidelines
will
be
used
to
develop
strategies
to
avoid
and
minimize
impacts
to
migrating
birds.
To
the
extent
practical
wildlife,
friendly
erosion
control
methods
will
be
used
within
the
study
area
to
minimize
impacts
to
land
and
aquatic
wildlife.
Using
the
site
during
construction
native
plantings
and
vegetation,
restoration
will
be
used
to
promote
pollinator
habitat
and
wildlife.
Habitat
and
shoreline
restoration
on
the
site
may
improve
ecological
functions
and
remove
invasive
species.
M
The
upper
harbor
terminal
site
has
been
identified
as
potentially
eligible
as
a
local
city
of
minneapolis
historic
district.
The
mitigation
strategies
include
consultation
with
the
state,
historic
preservation
act
or
preservation
office.
Excuse
me,
under
section
106
of
the
historic
preservation
act
of
1966
when
acquiring
federal
funds
permits
or
authorizations,
and
a
federal
undertaking
evaluate
options
for
adaptive,
reuse,
preservation,
removal,
redevelopment
interim
stabilization
measures
for
existing
buildings
or
structures
explore
interpretive
planning
that
allows
for
phased
implementation
and
balances.
M
The
mitigation
strategies
for
this
topic
are
construction.
Activities
will
be
conducted
to
minimize
noise
levels
and
nighttime
construction
activities
and
permits
related
to
construction.
Noise
will
be
obtained
from
the
city
if
needed.
An
outdoor
noise
permit
will
be
required
before
operating
the
community
performing
arts
center.
For
events,
an
installation
of
appropriate
noise
attenuation
features
in
residential
buildings
and
the
community
performing
arts
center
would
be
required
and
these
features
could
be
integrated
into
the
site
or
the
buildings
themselves.
H
N
N
All
right,
hey
everyone-
I
was
out
of
the
city,
minneapolis
transportation,
planner,
so
yeah,
obviously
with
aur
there's
a
big
transportation
component.
You
know
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
questions.
Curiosity
concern
around
transportation
impacts
and
then
just
what
level
of
accessibility
will
be
available
on
the
site
and
there's
really.
You
know
two
ways
to
look
at
this
with
the
no
build.
N
We
would
do
nothing
with
the
current
build
we're
estimating
that
it
generates
less
than
six
thousand
trips
per
day
and
less
than
fifteen
thousand
vehicles
are
downloaded
in
washington
hillary.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
live,
please
with
that
level
of
traffic
generation?
N
These
are
the
requirements
that
the
aur
would
have
so
for
each
development
there
would
be
a
tdmp,
that's
a
pretty
standard
process
that
the
city
does
for
any
new
development
anywhere
in
the
city,
where
the
developer
submits
their
plan
and
how
they'll
mitigate
traffic
participated
for
each
phase
and
then
such
as
access
points,
and
things
like
that
so
we'd
be
requiring
that
also
with
the
performance
arts
center
we'll
be
developing
a
event:
transportation
management
plan,
which
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
on
the
next
slide.
N
A
few
other
traffic
related
improvements.
We
are
constructing,
well
we're
reconstructing
dowling,
adding
in
westbound
turn
lanes
for
the
northbound,
westbound
and
eastbound
approaches
at
darwin
in
washington.
Obviously,
we're
improving
multi-modal
access
with
the
shared
use
pack
that
travels
from
down
here,
linda
all
the
way
into
the
site.
N
Next
slide,
please
tell
me,
and
then
with
the,
if
we
did
the
full
build,
which
will
be
allowed
under
the
2040
comprehensive
plan,
we
would
require
even
more
traffic
improvements
to
the
extent
that
we
would
have
to
either
widen
the
bridge
or
move
those
bike
input
facilities
to
an
additional
separate
bike
that
bridge,
but
that's
quite
a
bit
far
off
I
mean
if
we
reach
that
level
of
development
there'll
be
a
lot
more
exploration
on
additional
mitigation
measures.
N
Next
slide,
please.
So
this
is
the
event
transportation
management
framework.
This
would
be
for
the
performing
arts
center.
That
first
avenue
is
working
with
the
city,
as
well
as
a
transportation
consulting
firm
to
flesh
out,
I
would
say
this
is
a
little
early
most
of
our
larger
event.
N
Centers
in
the
city,
such
as
youth
stadium,
tcf
bank
stadium
target
field,
typically,
the
event
management
plan
comes
after
the
finalized
plans
for
construction
have
been
submitted,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
feedback
from
community
and
other
stakeholders
that
have
kind
of
accelerated
the
development
of
this.
So
this
is
a
framework
that
we're
looking
at.
N
It
is
not
finalized,
but
it
shows
a
lot
of
the
potential
mitigation
measures
that
could
be
implemented
to
ensure
that
when
the
performing
arts
center
is
hosting
events,
that
the
traffic
system
is
operating
well
and
is
not
causing
a
lot
of
problems
and
headaches
to
other
users
to
other
folks
using
our
network.
N
So
some
of
those
examples
include
I'm
having
a
shuttle
service
that
would
transport
individuals
to
the
event
I'm
having
a
tnc
staging
area
for
those
ubers
and
lifts
and
other
on-demand
services
such
as
taxis,
also
monitoring
traffic
impacts
to
adjacent
streets
and
providing
mitigation
measures
around
that.
There's.
A
lot
of.
M
So
next
steps,
so
this
chart
shows
you
where
we've
been
and
then
next
steps
in
the
schedule.
So
in
february
the
city
of
minneapolis
published
the
draft
aur
order
and
the
scoping
eaw
that
step
in
this
process.
We
were
reaching
out
to
ensure
that
we
were.
We
were
asking
the
question:
are
we
studying
the
right
things
or
is
there
anything
else
that
we
should
study?
M
We
received
comment?
We
replied
to
that
comment
and
we
brought
that
draft
away
our
order
and
the
scoping
ew
to
the
city
council
and
they
approved
it
and
what
they
approved
are
the
three
scenarios
that
are
studied
in
the
document
that
is
before
you
or,
I
should
say,
maybe
not
before
you,
but
that
was
sent
to
you
as
part
of
this
agenda
in
february
and
march.
That
was
the
public
comment
on
the
draft
aur
order
and
scoping.
M
I'm
sorry.
I
guess
I
just
said
everything
on
the
first
line.
I
apologize.
So
let's
go
to
the
bottom
line
where
we're
at
right
now
on
the
so
we
we
published,
we
published
the
draft
aur
and
mitigation
plan
on
may
25th.
It
was
sent
out.
It
was
published
in
the
eqb
mon,
the
environmental
quality
board,
monitor,
which
is
a
publication
of
the
eqb
and
was
sent
to
those
that
commented
on
the
scoping
order
for
the
aur.
M
M
M
M
There
is
a
citizen's
guide
or
there's
there's
a
guide
that
the
eqb
has
made
made
available
it's
on
their
website
and
we
have
a
link
for
you
in
this
presentation
and
it's
it's
commenting
on
environmental
review
projects,
so
it
walks
one
through.
M
I'm
sorry,
I
think
it's
starting
to
actually
rain
right
now,
which
is
a
good
thing
that
or
my
windows
are
breaking
sorry.
So
here's
my
contact
information
again
to
comment
you
you
need
to
send
comments
in
in
writing.
You
can
send
emails
or
letters
and
then
this
is
my
contact
information
for
all
of
you,
and
that
concludes
our
presentation.
B
All
right
do
we
have
any
questions,
can
anyone
raise
their
hand
or
put
in
the
comments
if
they
want
to.
B
Comment,
mary.
H
B
I
Yes,
okay,
I
have
a
couple
questions.
You
talked
about
cumulative
effect
of
everything
I
assume
and
I'm
the
first
question
I
have
is
about
noise
and
I've
been
asking
for
a
while
and
haven't
gotten
a
clear
answer:
how
much
noise
will
the
neighborhood
across
the
river
marshall
terrace
hear
from
this
venue,
and
we
already
have
quite
a
bit
of
noise
from
industry
and
traffic
and
I
want
to
know
if
there's
going
to
be
any
additional
noise
and
if
so,
how
much.
M
Okay
within
the
euar
one
of
the
appendices
to
the
document
is
a
noise
study
that
was
done
for
the
venue
itself,
based
on
the
noise
allowances
in
the
minneapolis
code
and
what
it
what
it
shows
is
that
there
will
be
no
additional
noise
generated
above
the
levels
that
currently
exist
due
to
the
freeway
noise.
So
a
background
noise
study
was
done
and
then
they
added
in
the
level.
You
know
they
added
in
the
venue
noise
that
would
be
generated
and
it
was
found
that
the
additional
noise
is
not
above
those
limits.
M
I
M
The
the
noise
analysis
has
graphics
in
it
that
do
show.
There
are
noise
receptors.
There
were
noise
receptors
on
both
sides
of
the
river
and
then
also
near
the
the
heron.
The
word
is
escaping
me
right
now.
Thank
you,
and,
and
the
noise
study
concluded
that
there
would
be
no
impacts
from
the
venue.
I
M
I'm
going
to
ask
if
anyone
from
the
development
team
wants
to
jump
in
yeah.
I
I
O
I
O
Well,
that's
not
the
way
noise
levels
are
are
reported
or
impacted,
so
you
know
there's
like
a
db
limit,
so
the
current
street
level
dp
limits
and
I'm
not
entirely,
but
it's
you
know
x,
amount,
it's
like
65
or
something
during
the
day
and
then
more
at
night
and
so
or
less
at
night.
Sorry.
So
what
this
noise
studies
reported
was
the
decibel
limits
will
not
exceed
the
current
limits
that
the
city
of
minneapolis
have
during
at
any
hour.
O
I
B
O
I
O
I
B
Okay,
what
I
will
say
is
there's
also
an
open
house
tomorrow,
which
may
give
you
some
more
background
information.
As
far
as
the
aui.
I
C
C
It's
erica
sega
de
santos
and
I
do
sound
and
lighting
in
music
venues
for
30
years.
I
have
a
question
pertaining
to
adjustable.
P
C
A
This
is
hillary
holmes,
I'm
the
staff
to
the
committee.
We
don't
have
public
comment
on
the
agenda
tonight.
A
If
you
have
a
question
you
can
attend
and
there
is
a
q,
a
at
the
online
open
house
that
the
city's
hosting
tomorrow
night-
and
so
if
you
would
like
to
there's
information
on
the
city's
website
and
on
the
project
website
about
that
event,
and
we
could
address
questions
from
the
public
through
that
public
forum.
Thank
you.
C
A
I
think
that's
fine,
I
you
know.
I
just
thank
you
so
much
appreciate.
D
B
And
then
we
can
also
follow
up
on
that,
but
isn't
psyche
cycle
susie's
in
northeast?
You
guys
don't
hear
any
sound
from
there.
I
Okay,
well
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
because
when
they
first
moved
in
wasn't
psycho
suzy's,
but
betty
dangers
was
horrendous,
the
houses
were
shaking,
we
couldn't
even
go
to
sleep,
it
was
terrible
and
we
had
to
work
with
them
for
months
to
get
them
to
change
their
sound
system,
change,
the
direction
of
the
bands
etc.
So
now
it's
reasonable,
but
it
was
horrendous
when
they
first
moved
in
so
mary.
M
What
I
can
say
is
that
I
don't
think
it's
accurate
to
say
that
I
mean
I
think
it's
accurate
to
say
that
you
are
going
to
hear
music
coming
from
the
venue,
but
the
the
sound
levels
that
will
come
from
the
music
venue
are
within
the
limits
that
the
city
allows,
and
so
they
they
are
not
ex.
You
know
the
the
the
study
that
was
done
concluded
that
the
sound
levels
that
will
be
generated
by
the
venue
will
not
exceed
the
sound
limit
limitations
of
the
city.
So
how
much
music
are
we
gonna
hear.
I
I
I
A
B
Yup
you're,
not
in
line
to
speak
up
at
the
moment.
There
are
people
ahead
of
you,
okay,.
A
Hi
tammy:
this
is
hillary
holmes,
I'm
staff
to
the
upper
harvard
terminal,
collaborative
planning
committee,
and
we
just
have
the
agenda
as
committee
business
tonight.
So
the
committee
members
will
be
asking
questions
and
they
have
not.
We
haven't
included
public
comment
time
on
the
agenda.
There's
a
open
house
on
the
aur
tomorrow
that
the
city's
hosting
online
and
there's
information
on
the
project
website
about
that
event,
and
also
on
the
city's
event
calendar
and
the
city's
website.
A
F
That,
madam
cochair,
I
just
wanted
to
talk
briefly
about
what
was
stated
about
the
current
conditions.
F
It
stated
that,
with
the
current
conditions,
there
wouldn't
need
to
be
anything
done,
but
it
doesn't
take
into
consideration
the
fact
that
there's
a
lot
of
pollution
that's
been
taking
place
on
this
area
for
a
long
time
already,
and
the
air
quality,
the
soil
quality
and
the
water
quality
probably
are
really
bad
right
now,
so
probably
could
use
some
mitigation,
despite
whatever
happens
on
the
site,
even
if
there
is
no
project
that
moves
forward.
F
In
addition
to
that,
the
land
use
and
the
hype
mitigation
strategies
you're
putting
forward
are
simply
just
like
you're
saying
that
you
want
to
do
zoning
in
use
permit
code.
What's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
conditional
use
permits,
for
example,
and
it's
like
how
does
that
really
address
the
fact
that
there
might
be
some
detrimental
outcomes
from
building
heights
this
high
and
exceeding
the
current
codes
that
current
codes
that
we
have,
instead
of
just
trying
to
push
the
codes
higher
and
then.
F
Lastly,
there
were
some
concerns
from
community
members
about
the
deadline
being
only
to
june
24th
of
this
month
and
not
getting
enough
time
for
people
to
actually
weigh
in
on
what's
happening
environmentally
at
this
site
and
for
the
future
health
of
our
residents.
And
so
I
would
ask
formally
of
council
member
philippe
cunningham
to
extend
the
deadline
for
this
extent.
For
this
period
comment
period
beyond
june
24th.
I
think
he
needs
to
hear
from
residents
and
if
he
doesn't
want
to
that's
all
right,
elections
coming
up.
B
Thank
you,
alexis
is
there
anyone
that
wants
to
address
alexis's
questions.
F
The
first
one
has
to
do
with
cumulative
impacts,
the
cumulative
effects
and
the
fact
that,
even
if
we
didn't
do
anything
with
this
site,
the
conditions
of
the
current
area
are
poor
in
terms
of
air
quality,
water
quality
and
soil
quality.
So
the
assumption
that
we
don't
need
to
do
anything
if
this
project
doesn't
move
forward
is
insane.
M
Well,
the
city
I
mean:
if
nothing
happened,
if
the
city
maintained
ownership
of
this
site
and
used
it
as
a
as
a
as
a
place
for
outdoor
storage,
we
wouldn't
be
making
any
improvements
to
the
site,
and
so
so
so
you're
correct
nothing.
Would
it
would
be
improved
under
the
no
build
scenario,
because
nothing
would
be?
H
Alexis
can
you
please
state
the
question
again.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
hear
it.
F
H
It
doesn't
mean
no
alexis,
it's
not
a
fair
setup,
but
but
I
am
willing
to
consider-
and
I
just
have
to
be
able
to
get
some
more
background
information
first.
F
Had
to
do
with
land
use
and
heights
and
the
fact
that
your
mitigation
strategies
are
just
proposing
that
we
use
zone
new
zoning
laws
and
conditional
use
permits
to
get
around
this
when
it
doesn't
actually
address
the
fact
that
we
could
be
causing
detriment
by
building
higher
buildings
and
are
currently
allowed
at
this
site.
And
the
fact
that
that
we're
just
basically
we're
just
basically
screwing
around
the
current
issues.
To
get
us
to
a
preferred
building.
M
Well,
the
conditional
I
mean
given
given
the
mississippi
river
overlay
shoreland,
you
know,
impacts
that
limit
height
to
go
above
the
two
and
a
half
stories.
The
conditional
use
permit
is
required
and
that's
a
land
use
application
that
would
be
processed
before
the
planning
commission,
so
that
application
I
mean
that
is
that
we're
identifying
the
tool
that
would
be
needed
to
exceed
the
height
again.
An
aur
approval
does
not
approve
the
whole
project.
Every
site
needs
to
go
through
land
use
review
after
that,
and
so
it's
there's.
M
No,
you
know
there's
no
guarantee
that
a
conditional
use
permit
would
be
approved,
but
they
can
ask
for
them.
So
the
the
strategy
is,
the
mitigation
would
be
to
exceed
the
height
limitations.
You
need
a
conditional
use
permit,
so
it
we're
not
saying
that
they're
we're
not
we're
not
approving
conditional
use
permits
through
this
process
we're
just
identifying
what
would
be
needed
to
get
that
that
that
height,
that's
shown
in
in
the
coordinated
plan
or
in
the
2040
scenario.
B
Q
Hi
hi
everybody,
sorry
I
was
tardy
for
the
party,
but
I'm
here
now
just
a
couple
of
comments.
I
was
kind
of
gonna
touch
on
kind
of
what
roxanne
was
bringing
up
just
a
minute
ago
regarding
regarding
the
hype,
but
because
that
was
the
idea
of
the
zoning
and
for
us
requesting
of
it
to
expand,
to
allow
for
additional
units
and
allow
for
some
of
those
particular
units
to
be
able
to
be
marketplace.
Q
So
they
can
have
more
units
that
are
active
for
affordable
housing
and
it
was
only
one
one
building,
and
that
was
the
one
that
was
closest
to
dowling
and
along
the
freeway.
Q
So
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
too,
because
once
if
you
are
minimizing
it
and
you're
limiting
it,
then
you're
also
limiting
the
opportunity
for
additional,
affordable
housing,
and
then
I
also
want
to
make
a
comment
regarding
the
sound
I
am
a
mckinley
resident
as
well.
I
live
right
on
sixth
street
in
my
backyard
I
can
walk
out
my
back
door
and
I
will
see
upper
harbor.
I'm
gonna
hear
upper
harbor
and
everything
else,
but
at
the
same
time
I
mean
I
hear
gunshots.
Q
Okay,
I'm
not
too
too
concerned
about
sound
of
a
concert,
that's
going
to
end
at
11
p.m.
You
know
or
something
to
that
effect.
I
hear
gunshots.
I
hear
people's
car
skirting
because
they
don't
want
to
wait
at
the
light
down
the
street.
You
know
I
hear
people
arguing
outside
you
know
all
of
those
types
of
things
with
pertaining
to
the
venue.
For
me,
my
concern
is:
is
parking
and
making
sure
that
there's
actual
parking
at
the
venue
space
so
me
as
a
person
on
the
other
side
of
the
river.
Q
I
don't
have
my
parking
places
taken
up
because
someone
is
didn't
want
to
pay
for
parking
at
the
venue,
but
that's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
at
the
same
time
there's
lots
of
other
sounds.
You
know.
Freeway
sounds
right
here
sirens.
You
know
police
sirens,
all
that
good
stuff.
So
as
far
as
the
sound,
I
think
we'll
should
be
finding
how
it
was
presented
and
what
I
can
remember
way
back
when
and
how
it's
going
to
be
built.
Q
It's
going
to
be
built
low
enough
to
where
the
sound
is
not
going
to
interfere
with
everyday
life
around
the
upper
harbor
terminal,
because
there's
also
residents
that's
going
to
live
right
on
that
same
location
even
closer
than
mary,
and
I
so
I
believe
that
you
should
be
okay,
but
that's
just
my
comment
all
right,
good
to
see.
Y'all,
it's
been
a.
B
B
Thank
you
for
dropping
in
the
chat,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
speak
or
if
you
just
want
me
to
say
what
it
is.
But
it
is
pointing
out
the
motion
that
the
cpc
made
for
the
height
was
to
add
more
affordable
housing,
and
the
specific
motion
was
that
it's
a
motion
to
support
advocating
for
a
conditional
use
permit
to
exceed
the
heights
currently
in
the
shoreline.
Overland
overlay
and
critical
area
overlay
district
to
accommodate
additional,
affordable
housing
for
parcels,
1a,
1b
and
6a.
B
So
that
was
an
official
cpc
motion
that
we
supported
to
make
sure
that
that
there
was
more
affordable
housing
on
those
parcels.
So
just
so
that
we're
clear
if
we
start
going
back
and
forth
arguing
about
this
height
thing.
It's
not
like.
We've
already
talked
about
this.
So
thank
you
for
finding
that
brandon.
M
You
basically
just
said
what
I
was
going
to
is
that
a
conditional
use
permit
to
go
over
the
two
and
a
half
stories
in
the
shoreland,
which
is
that
300
feet
from
the
river's
edge
is
required
to
get
those
buildings
on
1a
and
1b
and
6
a
above
the
two
and
a
half
stories.
Otherwise,
that
is
the
height
limitation.
But,
yes,
this
committee
did
recommend
a
cup
or
that
they
did
recommend
that
process
be
be
gone
through
to
to
get
that
additional
height
to
get
the
additional
density
and
the
affordability
and
whatnot
exactly.
B
And
there's
still
a
process
that
the
developers
have
to
go
through
anyways.
It's
not
like
you
said
it's
not
an
official
approval.
It's
just.
They
have
a
process
to
follow
correct.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
any
other
comments
on
aur,
any
additional
questions
that
we
can
figure
out
or
try
to
find
answers
to
right
away.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
there
is
an
open
house
tomorrow
which
will
go
in
depth
about
this
more
and
so
I
would
encourage
both
community
and
cpc
members
to
tune
into
that.
B
If
they're
able,
I
will
try
to
hop
in
myself,
at
least
for
a
little
while,
but
yeah
definitely
check
out
the
city
website
to
get
that
info,
because
it
could
be
very
valuable
in
figuring
out
some
more
information
on
diving
deeper
into
this.
Hillary
has
her
hand
up,
and
so
does
mary
I'm
gonna.
Let
mary
go
and
ask
her
question
real,
quick
hillary.
L
I
apologize
this
is
tammy's
skin
away.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
they
were
ahead
of
me
because
I'm
on
audio
and
I'm
not
able
to
have
be
on
the
computer
right
now,
so
I
can't
chat
or
raise
my
hand.
B
No
ma'am,
it's
only
for
cpc
members
right
now.
The
agenda
only
has
it
for
cpc
business.
L
R
A
Hi,
this
is
hillary
again
committee
staff
for
anybody
calling
in
members
of
the
public
are
calling
in
via
audio.
This
is
how
the
advisory
boards
and
commissions
are
set
up
on
the
remote
or
online
meetings,
and
so
you
can
listen
to
the
proceedings
of
the
meeting
and
there
is-
and
this
particular
committee,
no
public
hearing
or
public
comment
items
on
the
agenda.
A
There
is
an
open
house
on
the
auar
tomorrow
evening
at
6pm,
and
so
there
is
a
q,
a
portion
as
a
part
of
that
event
or
online
meeting,
and
if
you
aren't
able
to
watch
that
live,
the
recording
of
that
event
will
also
be
posted
on
the
project
website.
A
Again,
that's
upper
harbor
mpls.com,
and
I
also
since
I'm
talking,
if
it's
okay,
the
the
reason
I
had
you
know
raised
my
virtual
hand
was
to
note
that
some
of,
if
there's
our
studies
available,
it
looked
like
maybe
alexis,
had
a
question
regarding
noise
studies.
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
reports
and
studies
are
on
the
project
website
as
well.
A
But
it
looks
like
someone
had
addressed
that
since
it
was
an
appendix
an
appendice
of
the
draft
auar,
and
so
it
looks
like
that
is
the
place
to
go
for
that.
The
draft
aur
mitigation
plan
would
have
that
as
an
appendice.
So
that's
the
one
one
pdf
document
and
then
just
again
a
reminder.
I
saw
that
this
was
already
noted,
but
to
keep
any
comments
or
substantive
comments
out
of
the
chat.
R
L
A
And
so
thank
you
for
that
and
what
I
was
in
the
middle
of
saying
was.
I
appreciate
you
all
so,
thanks
for
your
patience
in
this
online
meeting.
B
World
right,
thank
you
for
that.
Hillary
mary
go
ahead
with
your
all
right.
I
This
one's
going
to
be
really
quick.
It
seems
like
most
of
the
traffic
studies
centered
on
dowling
and
there's
concern
about
traffic
coming
from
the
south
and
from
the
east.
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
traffic
coming
from
those
directions
so,
what's
being
mitigated
there.
N
S
N
Bike
lanes
there
so
we're
putting
those
in
with
this
project
and
providing
a
secondary
access
point.
We
are
doing
some
preliminary
improvements
to
the
north
and
south
of
washington
to
tie
into
additional
bike
facilities
as
well
as
well
as
the
improvements
we're
doing
on
darwin.
I
N
Yeah,
no,
I
hear
there's
you
know,
the
transportation
impacts
to
the
network
are
large
and
those
areas
are
out
of
the
scope
for
the
improvements
of
this
project.
We
are
really
financially
constrained,
with
even
the
improvements
that
we're
doing
right
now
to
the
upper
harbor
terminal
side,
and
we
don't
have
additional
funds
allocated
with
this
project
to
improve
those.
N
Q
Question
yes,
it
is
this
question
for
brandon.
Are
you
able
to
remind
us
what
the
number
of
floors,
and
maybe
apartments
or
living
spaces,
I
should
say,
would
be
if
the
zoning
of
the
building
the
hype
was
approved
and
not
approved.
Q
Or
or
if
it's
already
written
on
in
the
the
draft,
what
page
would
that
be
on
so
other
folks
can
go
back
and
review
it.
Sorry.
T
I
can
answer
it:
quick,
the
height,
that's
the
height.
That's
proposed
right
now
in
one
one,
a
and
one
b
is
five
stories
of
housing
and
we
did.
T
We
did
look
at
what
would
stay
under
the
limit
and
it
was
basically
a
two
or
three
story:
town
home,
and
so
we
were,
you
know
we
went
from
basically
in
parcel
1b.
We
have
90
total
units
and
in
parcel
1a
we
have
78
total
units
and
that
dropped
down
to,
I
think
30
or
35
units
per
parcel
and
they
were
and
they
were
town
homes
like
we've
there's.
M
Table
11
in
the
aur,
I
don't
have
a
an
exact
page
number,
but
there's
a
table
in
the
land
use
section
in
the
aur
that
talks
about.
You
know
that
talks
about
building
height
summary
by
parcel
and
zoning,
and
so
it
lays
out
what's
being
proposed
and
then
what
is
what
is
allowed
by
the
different
sets
of
regulations?
And
so
you
can
see
how
everything
compares
in
that
table.
T
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
it
was
it
was
at
the
february.
T
I
don't
remember
the
exact
date,
but
when
we
did
that
design
day
workshop,
that
presentation
has
shows
that,
like
the
different
levels
like
as
we're
proposed
right
now,
the
town
home
option-
and
I
think
we
looked
at
two
different
kinds-.
A
And
for
those
calling
in
that
will
be
on
the
project
website
too,
on
the
collaborative
planning
committee
page
on
the
website,
all
the
meeting
materials
from
past
meetings
are
on
there.
So
if
you
scroll
down
you'll
find
it.
B
February
you
said
22nd
2020
right,
yes,
okay,
just
wanted
to
yeah,
make
sure
all
right
do
we
have
any
other
questions
or
and
or
comments,
if
not
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
thank
miss
hillary
for
her
presentation
and
as
well
as
alexander
and
move
on
to
music
venue
ownership,
because
that
is
a
very
there's.
Some
new
developments
there
that
we
need
to
talk
about,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
giving
time
for
that.
So
one
last
round
of
any
other
questions
and
if
not
thank
you.
Hillary
thank.
D
B
Q
Bye
brett,
you
know
I
this
melissa.
I
have
a
just
one,
quick
follow-up
question
about
the
zoning
part.
What
is
what
what
goes
into
that,
and
as
far
as
approvals
of
the
city
and
not
approval,
I
mean
what
are:
what
are
the
levels?
Is
it
just?
They
give
a
proposal
and
the
city
council
reviews
it
and
they
agree
or
disagree,
or
is
it
do
they
have
to?
Somebody
has
to
purchase
their
way
in
you
know,
or
you
know
what
you
know,
what
is
it,
what
does
it
take?
M
Sure
so
the
the
site
is
currently
zoned,
i2
and
i3,
which
is
medium
and
general
industrial
and
the
you
know
they
i2
is
kind
of
in
level
in
level
of
intensity.
It's
you
know
medium
and
high
intensity.
Industrial
uses
are
permitted
currently
on
the
site,
so
you
know
looking
at
the
draft
coordinated
plan
and
the
proposed
uses,
but
also
looking
at
the
minneapolis
2040
plan
and
what
the
pr
the
future
land
use
map
provides
or
you
know,
is
planned
for.
M
We
we
would
base
rezoning
off
of
off
of
the
2040
future
land
use
map
and
so
proposed.
Zoning
would
would
move
to
you
know
where
you
know
the
the
future
land
use
map
for
the
site
is,
and
I'm
sorry
I'm.
I
should
have
bookmarked
this
page.
There's
production
and
processing
on
the
not
production
processing
give
me
one.
Second,
I'm
sorry.
E
A
Are
you
looking
at
sorry?
Are
you
referring
to
the
draft
aur
document.
M
M
So
what
so
a
project
would
an
applicant
would
need
to
apply
for
a
rezoning.
So
it's
a
land
use
application
that
would
be
applied
for
through
the
through
the
city.
It
would
be
presented
to
the
city,
planning,
commission
and
for
all
rezoning
applications.
Rezonings
do
have
to
be
approved
by
the
full
city
council
because
their
legislative
actions,
they
change
the
zoning
until
it's
proposed
to
be
changed
again
forever.
So
it
does
take
city
council
votes
to
change
the
zoning
on
the.
B
You
awesome
thanks
melissa
with
that
hillary.
I
appreciate
you
for
sticking
around
for
that
last
question
and
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
music
venue
update
ownership.
P
Era
good
evening,
thank
you
so
much
my
time
to
shine
here.
My
name
is
eric
hanson,
I'm
the
city's
economic
development
director,
I'm
happy
to
be
here
and
share
some
information.
When
we
last
met
and
talked
about
the
draft
coordinated
plan,
we
talked
about
some
restrictions.
The
city
has
around
state
bond
state
bond
funded
projects,
refer
to
that,
typically,
like
the
the
guthrie
theater,
the
kohl
center,
the
orchestra
hall,
where,
if
the
city
owns
a
facility,
it
is
required.
P
Then,
at
that
with
the
roles
of
the
state,
we
were
required
to
then
operate
that
facility
for
forever
and-
and
so
we
we
discussed
at
length
in
this
committee
about
this
model
called
the
sandwich
where
the
an
entity
would
own
the
you
know.
If
we
go
with
the
guthrie
model,
the
guthrie
owns
the
property.
The
guthrie
then
turns
over
the
that
theater
to
the
city
for
the
useful
life
plus
25
of
the
facility.
P
The
city
controls
it
for
that
time
and
then
we
lease
it
back
or
we
have
an
operator
agreement
with
the
guthrie
to
operate
the
theater
for
us
and
it's
our
requirement
with
the
with
the
state.
It's
the
requirement
of
the
state
for
us
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
we
deliver
what
is
called
a
government
program
and
that
would
be
to
operate
a
theater.
So
in
this
case
we
talked
at
length
about
not
wanting
to
sell
land
and
so
most
of
the
development
property.
All
the
development
properties
is
going
to
be
a
marketable
ground.
P
Lease
park
board
wall
in
the
parks,
and
then
the
city
will
retain
the
republic
right
away.
This
is
the
only
site
we
talked
about
selling
it's
because
of
those
bond
interests
and
in
the
sandwich
model
after
the
useful
life
plus
25
of
time,
the
state's
interest
just
expires
and,
and
then
the
city
is
pulled
out
and
then
it
collapses.
You
know
the
two
pieces
of
bread
come
together.
It's
not
no,
it's
not
a
very
tasty
sandwich,
but
it's
the
city's
interest
is
out.
P
So
that's
that's
where
we
left
it
back
in
january,
and
that's
what's
in
the
draft
coordinated
plan,
we've
learned
over
the
over
the
spring
that
the
state
has
changed
its
rules
around
bond
funded
projects,
whereas
they
no
longer
require
municipally,
owned
structures
or
properties
to
be
operated
forever.
If
they're
spawn
funded,
if
there's
bonds
funding
it,
they
only
require
us
to
operate
it
for
that
useful
life
plus
25
percent
of
time.
P
So,
based
on
the
conversations
we've
had
with
with
this
committee,
we
want
to
present
an
option
to
you,
because
now
there
is
a
path
where
the
city
could
own.
The
music
venue-
and
you
know,
opera
have
first
avenue
operate
it
for
the
62
and
a
half
years
which
is
half
is
the.
P
Which
is
useful
at
life
plus
25,
and
that
would
you
know
then
make
it
so
that
none
of
the
land
at
the
upper
harbor
would
be
sold
to
private
hands.
The
city
would
own
first
avenue
would
still
you
know
we
would.
We
would
bring
the
bond
award
from
the
state.
P
First
avenue
would
have
to
match
that
bond
and
construct
the
music
venue,
but
then
they
would
turn
it
over
to
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
we
would
own
the
building.
We
would
own
the
land
and
we
would
still
have
to
make
sure
it's
operated
for
62
and
a
half
years,
so
we'd
do
it
with
what's
called
a
marketable
operating
agreement
or
lease,
and
so
we
would
lease
it
to
first
avenue
for
operations
for
about
half
that
time.
P
So
just
roughly
over
30
years,
and
so
this
is,
this
is
an
option
before
the
cpc
that
would
be
different
than
what's
in
the
draft
coordinated
plan
and
the
reason
we're
presenting
it
to
you
is
because
of
the
interest
of
keeping
this
land
in
these
facilities
owned
in
public
hands,
and
this
would
be
a
way
to
accomplish
that.
The
changes
all
the
you
know,
the
ticket
fees
would
be
the
same.
P
The
community
benefits
agreement
would
would
be
the
same
about
community
programming,
and
you
see
in
that
really
detailed
memo,
mostly
written
by
hillary,
all
the
details,
but
there's
a
side-by-side
comparison
table.
The
one
thing
that
does
change
is
a
community
entity
would
not
be
partnering
in
a
with
a
minority
share
of
a
of
owning
the
land.
So
that's
that's
the
change
it
would
still.
It
would
be
held
by
this
by
the
city,
and
you
know
in
in
the
future,
in
30
years,
it's
possible.
P
There
could
be
a
second
operator
in
60
years,
it's
possible.
There
could
be
a
conversation
with
all
of
our
successors
and
maybe
there's
a
couple
of
you
that
are
going
to
you
know
really
keep
around
and
be
here
in
62
and
a
half
years
to
talk
about
it,
but
that
then
there's
you
know
time
to
talk
about
it,
so
the
city
is
is
prepared
to
own
the
facility.
We've
talked
to
dana
about
it
she's.
She
is
amenable
to
this.
P
If
the
cpc
thinks
that
this
is
a
direction,
you
want
to
take
we'd
be
open
to
amending
the
court.
The
draft
plan
to
show
that
the
city
owns
it.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
and
take
any
questions
you
might
have.
B
I
said
all
right:
anyone
melissa.
B
Q
L
Q
Wow
that
that
was
that's
a
lot
to
take
in
right
there,
because
for
starters,
we
were
going
to
put
the
venue
under
a
community
benefits
agreement
which,
out
the
gate,
the
city
said
they
want
no
part
of.
Q
So
that
is
going
to
be
an
issue
because
the
city
wanted
to
not
be
a
part
of
a
community
benefits
agreement,
but
with
ownership.
Q
I
think
you're
kind
of
a
little
bit
obligated
to
be
a
part
of
that
and
to
come
to
terms
with
kind
of
you
know
what
the
request
of
the
community
is,
and
so
that
seems
a
a
huge
conflict
of
interest
to
me.
I
personally
was
fine
with
what
how
was
set
up
with
the
lease
agreements
and
for
the
63
and
a
half
years.
I
mean
I
mean
hell,
we're
doing
land
trust
for
99
years
out
here
these
days
and
the
city
wants
to
own
the
land
of
people's
homes.
Q
But
I
I
that
that
kind
of
disturbs
me-
because
it's
like
you,
know
if
you're
going
to
lease
it
to
dana
for
30
years,
we
might
as
well
sell
it
to
her
right
now
and
recoup
some
of
that
bond
money.
Q
Right
now
I
mean
we're
really
talking
how
many,
how
many
acres
is
it's
really
like
what
four
or
five
acres
of
just
land
in
between
all
of
this
that
the
city
owns
you
know,
so
that's
my
biggest
thing
is
the
involvement
community
benefits
agreement
that
the
city
is
going
to
play
as
part
in
and
to
be
for
it
to
continue
to
be
equitable
for
community.
P
Right,
melissa,
that's
a
good
point
to
bring
up,
and
it's
something
that
I
wasn't
clear
in
my
initial
comments.
So
thanks
for
the
question,
so
we
can
clarify
this.
We
would
essentially
lease
this
back.
We
would
lease
this
to
first
avenue
and
we
would
enforce
their
operations
of
the
of
the
facility.
For
that
you
know
30-some
years
they
would
continue
to
have.
We
were
expecting
that
they
they
would
continue
to
take
the
ticket,
take
the
ticket
fee
and
have
the
community
benefits
agreement
with
the
community.
P
You
know,
and
it
wouldn't
have
to
involve
the
city,
because
some
of
the
things
that
go
into
those
community
benefits
agreements
the
city
wouldn't
be
able
to
enforce,
because
it
is
it's
a
relationship
between
the
operator
and
and
the
community,
and
so
we
still
wouldn't
be
party
to
the
community
benefits
agreement,
but
it
would
not
have
any
impact.
This
ownership
option
would
not
have
any
impact
on
that.
Those
negotiations
were
on
a
community
benefit
agreement.
E
Q
I'm
just
saying
it
just
kind
of
weird,
because
it's
kind
of
like
in
a
situation
where
you
think
of
you
know
home
ownership.
You
know
the
city
would
be
the
owner
of
the
home.
You
know,
first
ave
would
be
the
renter
and
I
would
be
the
neighbor
you
know
and
I'm
like
hey.
You
know,
my
neighbor
is
not
mowing
her
lawn
and
everything
under
the
sun
and.
Q
P
Q
P
P
For
those.
You
know
that
useful
life,
those
62
odd
years
so
we'd
be
we'd,
be
in
a
similar
position.
The
it's
just
the
underlying
land
would
be
owned
by
a
different
entity.
So,
for
example,
I
use
the
the
guthrie
we
have
to
make
sure
the
guthrie
operates
and
until
the
end
of
that
useful
life-
and
I
forget
what
the
number
is-
it's
something
substantial
like
decades
and
decades
and
decades,
and
if
the
guthrie
theater
as
an
entity
goes
out
of
business,
we
still
have
to
operate
it.
P
We
still
have
to
make
sure
that
that
that
facility
is
open.
So
we
we
have
some
somewhat
of
an
ownership
state
there
until
the
end
and
then
once
that
happens,
then
the
owner,
the
you
know
that
owns
that
fee
underneath
the
sandwich
then
they
would
take
over.
P
So
the
city
still
has
a
pretty
significant
role.
As
far
as
delivering
it,
but
what
we've
done
with
cultural
institutions
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
honestly,
this
is
this
happens
around
the
states
is,
is
we
have
a
long-term
operating
agreement
and
then
we
just
make
sure
that
it's
maintaining
the
government
program
and
the
operator
that
makes
a
lot
of
the
decisions
about?
You
know
mowing
the
lawn,
for
example,
to
your
analogy.
B
A
Hey
just
really
quick,
I
just
wanted
to
say
if
it's
helpful,
you
know,
as
always,
if
it's
helpful
and
the
draft
coordinated
plan
on
page
64
and
65
is
titled
mapping,
sorry
bath
time,
mapping
proposed
community
benefits
guide
to
future
agreements
and
that
lays
out
all
the
community
benefits,
because
some
will
be
contained
in
the
cba.
Some
are
contained
in
city
agreements,
which
includes
the
ground
lease.
The
redevelopment
agreements,
the
use
or
operating
agreement
is
referred
to
as
both
with
a
cpac.
A
G
Hey,
what's
going
on
so
quick
as
we
think
about
kind
of
process,
so
basically
you
you
know
you're
bringing
to
the
table.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
change
the
ownership
structure.
I
imagine
you'd
want
that
decision
to
then
be
built
into
the
to
the
plan.
How
should
we
be
thinking
about
timing?
Like?
Are
you
looking
to
have
a
decision
tonight?
I
think
a
couple
people
have
some
questions
just
how
do
we
think
about
when
this
needs
to
be
approved
and
how
get
built
in
in
the
larger
approval
process.
P
Thanks
for
that
question
courtney,
so
we
would
like
to
get
your
opinion
and
we
know
we're
bringing
this
to
you
now
and
I
believe
you
guys
will
have
a
discussion
about
another
meeting
in
july
and
so,
if
you're,
if
you're
comfortable
with
with
making
a
decision
now
today,
then
fine.
If
not,
I
think
we
could
wait
till
july
for
you
guys
to
contemplate
what
it
would
be,
but
we
would
like
to
make
you
know
final
recommendation
in
the
in
the
final
plan.
So.
P
A
B
K
So
my
question
is:
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
understand
all
the
implications
it's
hard
to
understand.
I
mean
it's
a
big
decision
and
it's
hard
to
understand.
You
know
the
pros
and
cons.
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
for
the
city
to
to
put
that
together?
So
we
don't
have
to.
You
know,
go
through
all
that
in
this
meeting
or
another
meeting
to
help
us
understand
what
the
benefits
of
a
city-owned
venue
versus
a
privately
owned
venue
is
and
what
are
the
cons
around
that
yeah
right.
B
B
P
So,
and
let
me
tie
that
together
so
during
if,
if
we
go
with
the
first
avenue,
plus
the
community
entity
owning
the
property
for
those
62
and
a
half
years
that
that
ownership
entity
has
little,
has
no
real
authority
on
making
decisions.
It's
the
city
that
has
the
control
because
it's
leased
to
the
city
and
then
we
give
it
to
the
operator.
So
the
community
benefits
agreement
and
the
you
know
the
community
programming
and
the
community
entity.
That's
working
with
that
could
work
with.
P
First
avenue
could
still
realize
the
you
know
their
influence
through
that
operator,
agreement
and
and
in
relationship.
But
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
there's
no
sway
for
the
op
for
the
owner
during
that
useful
life
plus
25,
it's
it's
all
the
city
that
has
to
make
that
is
required
to
be
kind
of
the
owner.
P
So
that's
why
we've
talked
about
about
a
community
benefits
agreement
with
first
avenue
so
that
you
can
realize
we
can
realize
community
benefits
during
the
62
and
a
half
years,
and
that's
true
at
62
and
a
half
years
and
one
day
in
this
current
system,
the
city's
interest
would
it
expire
and
then
it
would
collapse
on
itself,
and
then
you
know
first
avenue
would
own
you
know
more
than
half
and
and
the
community
entity
would
order
a
little
less
than
half
and
then
then
we
can
have,
and
then
you,
then
it
would
be
a
relationship
between
those
two
groups.
P
Now
it's
possible
that
we
as
a
community
can
talk
about
who
owns
these
things
in
62
years
and
it's
possible
at
that
time.
Maybe
the
perception
has
changed
and
people
want
want
to
sell
it.
You
know
want
the
city
to
sell
something,
so
you
could
get
a
community
entity
owning
this,
but
the
control
really
does
not
come
into
play
until
you
get
to
that
63rd
here.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
that
there's
not
the
ownership
is
is
real
for
our
for
our
our
offspring.
P
Our
great
great
grandkids,
I
think
so
that's
that's
that's
where
it
comes
in,
and
so
that
that
that's
the
real
difference
and
then
working
with
first
avenue
and
a
community
entity
on
the
operation
side,
because
they'll
have
to
maintain
it
for
about
30
years
and
then
we
would
go
back
in
and
try
and
find
a
second
operator
now
that
could
still
be
first
avenue
but
or
it
could
be
a
different
entity
that
would
operate
in
30
years
and
then
you
could
still
see
community
benefits
there.
So
that's,
I
think,
that's
it!
P
I'm
not
trying
to
minimize
the
community
ownership
component,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people
realize
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
there's
no
ability
to
to
change
things
unless
you're
working
on
the
operator
side,
the
top
piece
of
bread
in
a
sandwich,
if
that's
clear
and
then
to
oh
one
more
thing-
and
today
is
this
point:
we
did
write
a
a
lengthy
memo,
that's
describing
this
the
options
and
how
it
changes
and
what
the
community
benefits
are.
So
you
know
encourage
we
we're.
This
is
a
very.
P
This
is
an
evolving
option.
We
just
kind
of
found
out
about
it.
There
was
no
like
official
statement
from
the
state
of
minnesota.
B
I
G
Yeah
so
eric
I,
I
gotta,
I
gotta
push
back
a
little
bit
here,
because
when
I
hear
you
say
the
words,
the
community
entity
really
isn't
the
you
know.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
rephrase
it,
because
that
idea
that
we,
we
specifically
wanted
a
community
entity
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table,
because
there
is
reasons
why
you
guys,
as
a
city
didn't
want
to
hold
it
forever.
G
But
the
other
bigger
piece
was
the
fact
that
we
wanted
a
voice
at
the
table
to
actually
make
sure
things
were
being
heard.
And
so,
even
though
I
hear
you
saying
that
the
city,
in
effect,
no
matter
what
scenario
we
go
through,
is
going
to
be
the
ultimate
decider.
I
have
to
imagine
not
having
a
community
entity
at
the
table.
There's
a
strategic
decision
behind
that
piece
right
and
so
for
me
that
entity
always
played
a
role
in
the
fact
that
it
was
a
voice
of
the
community.
G
It
was
a
way
to
make
sure
that
programming
and
all
the
things
that
are
in
the
community
benefits
agreement,
actually
actualized
and
so
to
hear
it
being
referred
to
as
something
that
destinately
have
a
legs
or
have
power.
You
know
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
really
what
we're
saying
here,
because
that
would
be
a
change
of
what
I
was
always
envisioning.
This
plan
to
be.
P
Yeah,
so
courtney,
that's
also
again.
This
is
a
very
complicated
deal.
I
agree
with
you
and
I
think,
that's
always
been.
The
expectation
is
there's
a
community
entity
at
the
table
and
that's
the
that's
the
nature
of
the
community
benefits
agreement
and
how
what's
the
community
role
working
with
first
avenue
on
the
operations,
it's
not
on
the
ownership
side.
So
it's
like,
if
you
think
about
the
you
know
the
sandwich
model
where
you
have
at
the
at
the
base.
P
You
have
the
ownership
and
then
the
city's
in
the
middle
with
the
lease
and
then
and
then
there's
and
then
we
select
an
operator,
that's
where
all
the
decisions
are
made
around
community
benefits,
and
you
know
like
procurement
and
events,
and
you
know,
hiring
practices
and
ticket
fee
uses
and
all
those
sort
of
things
and
that's
where
the
community's
voice
has
really
been,
is
really
that's
where
the
community
can
actually
have
an
impact
during
that
62
and
a
half
years.
That's
that
was
always
expected
to
your
point.
P
Yes,
I
think
not
saying
to
take
away
that
community
voice
and
that
community
seat
at
the
table,
and
that's
why
I
thought
it
was
important
that
you
guys
are
working
on
a
community
benefits
agreement
so
that
you
can.
You
know,
articulate
exactly
what
that
role
is,
but
until
63
years
it's
up
at
the
top
and
not
on
the
bottom
end.
But
that
makes
sense.
G
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
kind
of
chew
on
what
you
just
said
here.
Still
it's
still
be
candidly
within,
like
I
get.
The
idea
that
you
keep
saying
this
is
complex
and
it
is
bonding,
is
complex
but
ownership
and
how
the
conversations
we
had
this.
Just
it's
a
it's
a
switch
from
the
city
and
I
get
the
why
you
know
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
change
in
bonding.
I
wouldn't
be
interested
to
know
how
long
this
change
has
been
in
effect
and
when
you
guys
picked
it
up
in
the
delay
between
the
two.
G
But
I
you
know
candidly.
I
just
don't
like
how
the
community
entity
now
is
being
positioned
in
terms
of
authority
making
or
influence
or
ability
to
direct,
and
it
just
seems
you
know.
Maybe
I
need
to
brush
up
on
some
stuff.
It
just
seems
like
a
change
in
tone
which
I
just
have
to
call
out,
because
I'm
hearing
it.
P
Okay,
I
I
I
apologize.
It
seems
like
a
change
in
tone.
We
we,
as
far
as
the
timeline
one
of
our
city,
attorneys
notice
it
in
a
new
contract,
this
middle
this
spring.
That's
when
we
found
out
about
it
when
when
did
they
make
the
decision
before
that?
When
I
don't
know
because
again
they
didn't
announce
it,
they
just
started
sending
in
different
contracts
and-
and
we
followed
up
with
minnesota
management
and
budget
and
asked
you
know,
have
you
changed
your
approach
to
this?
P
Is
the
state
changed
its
approach
to
what
the
requirements
are
and
they
said
yes
and
we
were
like
okay,
so
we're
going
to
bring
this
forward,
so
I
don't
mean
it
to
be
a
change
in
tone.
That's
why
I
think
it's
important
and
we
can
wait
till
next
month
and
talk
about
it
and
why
we
produced
materials
for
you
to
review,
but
as
soon
as
we
knew
about
it,
this
is
the
first
meeting
of
the
cpc
since
we
found
out
about
it.
We
wanted
to
take
it
to
you
as
soon
as
we
found
out.
P
So
it's
an
option.
What
I'm
saying
is
an
option.
This
is
not
a
directive;
this
is
an
object
and
just
understanding
that
this
group
has
talked
about
not
selling
any
land,
and
this
is
this
is
a.
This
is
a
way
to
fulfill
that
thing.
So,
if
the,
if,
if
the
cpc
decides
you
know,
if
you
look
through
the
materials
and
you
still
don't,
you
still
think
we
should
go
with
the
sandwich
model.
Let's
talk
about.
B
That
all
right,
dana.
O
Hey,
thank
you.
You
know
from
our
perspective,
certainly
almost
nothing
would
change
from
the
land
ownership
change,
except
the
actual
ownership
of
the
lane.
The
land
there'd
be
no
change
in
the
community
benefits
in
the
contracting
goals
in
the
community
entity.
O
In
their
you
know,
oversight
and
their
responsibilities,
especially
concerning
the
programming
and
being
the
recipient
of
the
fees.
O
It
leaves
the
land
in
public
ownership
and
with
a
finite
kind
of
expiration
period,
for
when
the
the
first
avenue
contract
would
expire.
B
That
is
a
really
that's
a
really
good
point,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
know
that
I've
heard
it
time
and
time
again
that
people
want
it
to
be
public
ownership.
So
hillary.
A
I'll
keep
it
brief.
The
memo
that
we've
been
referencing
is
in
the
meeting
materials
and
there
is
some
reference
to
additional
ownership.
I
realized
that
what
we're
talking
about
specifically
here
is
land
ownership
and,
of
course,
ownership
related
to
the
venue,
if
you're
interested.
However,
in
other
ownership
options
that
are
still
in
the
plan
and
still
remain
in
the
same
proposal,
I'm
sorry
without
words,
but
the
things
that
are
still
remaining
unchanged
around
ownership,
because
we've
talked
about
different
types
of
ownership,
different
ways
people
can
own
or
feel
or
have
ownership.
B
Thank
you,
melissa
and
then
makeda
and
then
time
check
it's
6
52.
We
are
supposed
to
be
done
at
seven.
I
know
how
we
roll,
but
if
we
can
try
to
keep
as
close
to
the
end
time
as
possible,
that
would
be
great
man.
Q
For
sure
a
couple
of
things
with
the
city:
only
for
one
can
we
get
a
document
that
reflects
what
we
approved
and
what
initially
it
was
looking
like
to
what
these
new
potential
projections
would
look
like
with
this
new
proposal
from
the
state
and
the
changes
in
the
law
of
the
bonding,
so
we
can
kind
of
see
it
all
side
by
side.
Do
you
mean
like
an
image.
Q
Q
The
other
thing
is,
is
you
know
my
concern?
Is
who's
going
to
pay
the
taxes,
or
is
this
going
to
be
exempt
like
the
target
center
in
the
tcf
building
for
taxes
to
where
the
community
is
going
to
have
to
pay
more
taxes
on
it?
And
this
is
going
to
bring
more
jobs
because
the
city
is
not
going
to
be
owning
it
up
and
basically
taking
care
and
operating
the
building
on
the
outside?
Q
You
know:
is
it
going
to
bring
more
jobs
for
that,
and
you
know,
is
there
going
to
be
some
clauses,
because
you
know
one
thing
I
hear
is
I
always
think
of
okay?
You
know
the
initially
was
63
and
a
half
years
and
now
you're
talking
30
some
years,
but
I
know
there's
always
a
clause
somewhere
in
there
to
be
bought
out
or
ex-made.
Q
The
building
again
you
know
is
that
is
that
a
potential
for
the
venue
as
well-
and
you
know
kind
of
like
what
courtney
was
saying
and
I
feel
like
the
city
and
the
community
we're
going
to
be
excluded
from
being
at
the
table
by
some
of
these
conversations,
because
you
know
in
my
eyes
anytime,
the
city
is
involved
in
something
everything
is
so
tight.
It's
so
tight
and
you
know
everybody's
holding
it
like
it's
their
own
pocketbook
and
there's
no.
Q
You
know
when
everything
was
initially
supposed
to
be
flowing
and
and
open-ended
it
just
kind
of
makes
me
a
little
bit
nervous
in
in
those
aspects,
because
now
with
the
city
owning
it
everything
any
changes,
you
want
to
make
need
to
be
reviewed
and
draft
hands
created
in
multiple.
You
know,
meetings
on
it
and
you
know
things
of
that
nature
to
just
you
know,
change
a
sign
out
front.
Q
If
you
wanted
to
you
know-
or
if
you
know
when
you
think
of
you
know
big
buildings
like
this:
it's
like
who's,
gonna
who's,
gonna
pay
for
the
final
ticket
of
it.
You
know
it's
community
members.
You
know
you
think
of
like
u.s
bank
stadium.
P
Right,
so
let
me
let
me
ask
that
taxes,
personal
property
taxes
would
be
required
by
first
avenue
because
it's
a
for-profit
entity,
the
city
doesn't
pay
property
taxes
on
its
facilities,
but
that
that
would
be
subject
to
personal
property
taxes.
As
far
as
you
know,
who
makes
you
know,
capital
decisions,
there
will
be
a
requirement.
The
city
has
to
maintain
and
operate
this
facility
for
those
63
years.
That's
the
requirement
of
the
bonds,
that's
what
will
be
in
the
bond
agreement.
P
So
if
rules
change
in
the
future,
it
will
not
apply
to
these
because
that's
the
agreement
we
will
have
signed
with
the
city
with
the
state
of
minnesota,
so
we'll
have
to
have
that
and
we
will
have
we
we
will
want
to.
Since
we
don't
operate
music
venues,
we
will.
We
will
have
a
capital
reserve
requirement
for
improvements
on.
You
know,
capital
improvements
and
we
can
make
decisions,
but
it's
really
up
to
first
avenue
to
invest
in
the
facility.
P
So
it's
not
like
it's
going
to
go
to
a
you
know
a
tribunal
of
of
of
learned
people
to
talk
about
what
the
signage
it's
going
to
be.
Basically,
first
avenue
making
you
know
sound
business
decisions
to
make
sure
that
this
is
continues
to
be
a
you
know,
a
state-of-the-art
facility
and
and
it's
to
their
benefit
as
to
the
community's
benefit,
is
the
city's
benefit.
So
we
we
don't
really
have
a
lot.
P
We
can
make
some
suggestions,
but
typically,
when
we
see
this
with
the
other
cultural
institutions,
they're
already
beating
us
to
the
punch,
the
only
place
that
we've
had
a
problem
with
is
the
target
center.
The
target
center
is
owned
by
the
city
and
it
wasn't
bond
funded,
but
we
used
our
own
bonds
to
buy
it
in
the
90s
and
now,
when
we
make
make
changes
to
that,
it's
very
complicated,
and
so
that's
the
one
kind
of
outlier
in.
P
In
fact
we
had
to
do
conversions
of
how
bonds
are
are
dealt
with,
whether
the
taxable
and
non-taxable
and
what
improvements
you
could
make.
So
it's
really
that's,
but
that's
not
that's
kind
of
the
exception
to
the
rule
of
these
facilities
and
then,
when
we
get
into
like
fire
stations
and
and
police
precincts
and
public
works
facilities,
those
have
some
requirements
as
well,
and
you
know
we.
P
We
maintain
those
in
it
in
a
you,
know,
city
way,
I
would
say
that
to
them,
but
this
music
venue,
the
cultural
institutions,
we
see
those
improved
on
a
regular
basis
and
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
u.s
bank
stadium
issue
is
a
insurance
issue.
There's
a
there
was
a
defect
on
the
outside,
so
I'm
I'm
expecting
that
the
the
insurance
proceeds
are
paying
for
that,
but
I'm
I'm
not
in
the
weeds
on
that
one.
P
E
Q
E
P
And-
and
that
brings
up
a
good
point
about
about
who's
working
there
and
when
you
make
decisions
about
vendors
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
that's
the
I
think,
that's
the
commitment.
I've
heard
from
first
avenue
and
dana
about
you
know:
she's,
raising
the
money
to
build
the
facility
and
willing
to
enter
into
agreement
with
community
around
benefits
that
can
come
out
of
it,
including
who
who
works
there
and
who
benefits
from
you
know
the
economic
spend
from
from
that,
and
that
that
is
not
going
to
change.
O
Again
and
I
think,
according
to
your
question
or
point,
you
know,
nothing
changed
changes
from
the
the
power
capacity
of
the
community
entity,
except
that
land
ownership,
and
you
know,
honestly,
what
we
keep
hearing
is
like
land
ownership
should
stay
in
the
public
domain,
and
so
you
know
again
from
our
perspective,
it's
getting
closer
to
what
we've
been
hearing
in
public
and
none
of
like
the
all
the
programming,
the
ticket
fee,
the
vendor
the
career
pathways,
youth,
youth
development.
You
know
none
of
that
changes
at
all.
Q
For
sure
it
just
it
just
seems
weird
on
the
outside.
Looking
in
because
at
the
beginning
the
city
was
like:
no,
we
want
no
part
of
it.
Yes,
even
we
will
own
the
land,
dana
you're,
in
charge
of
everything
you
know
from
top
to
bottom,
to
the
landscaping
aspects
we
don't
want
to
even
be
dealing
with
the
maintenance
and
the
upkeep
and
all
of
a
sudden
they're
all
hands
on
deck.
It's
like
somebody
alerted
them
hey.
This
is
a
idea
and
a
money
pod
a
possibility
to
right.
D
P
P
I
hear
I
just
want
to
say
we
still
don't
want
to
make
any
of
those
decisions.
We
just
want
the
venue
to
be
operated
by
first
avenue
and
in
collaboration
with
benefits
we
we
we
have
no
interest
in
doing
that,
it's
just
it
it
to
dana's
point
it
just
it's.
Just
the
land
is
owned
by
the
city,
but
everything.
S
P
L
B
Back
sorry,
it's
701.
We
get
these
other
questions
asked
and
answered
and
then
hopefully
tie
this
up.
Please
thank
you.
Okay,.
R
I
just
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
table
the
decision
until
later,
but
that
we
get
information
on
all
the
questions
that
were
raised
tonight
to
the
committee
members
before
that
july
meeting
to
help
us,
because
it's
the
you
know
we
don't
develop,
I'm
not
a
developer
so
so
understanding
the
impacts
is
gonna.
Take
me
a
little
bit
longer
and
so
to
give
us
all
a
chance
to
kind
of
go
through
that
within
a
good
amount
of
time.
I'd
like
us
to
just
to
table
this.
P
Okay
and
then,
as
far
as
materials
makeda,
if
I
may
read
the
the
materials
that
hillary
provided,
there's
a
memorandum
and
a
couple
of
of
graphics
to
look
at
and
what
I
would
say
is
we
think
that
has
most
of
the
information
feel
free
to
email,
hillary
or
myself.
If
you
have
questions
to
clarify,
so
we
could
make
sure
that
we
made
it,
but
we
think
that
it
should
address
the
questions
we've
heard
today.
B
A
And
we
can,
we
can
run
through
roll
call,
really
quick
just
to
make
sure
and
then
it
will
make
sure
it's.
Of
course
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
for
next
meeting.
So
if
that's
cool
I'll
just
go
now,
melissa,
newman
aye!
Thank
you.
Markella
smith,
hi,
mary,
janet
mcguire,.
K
A
Alexis
penny
I
epstein.
Thank
you.
Courtney
schroeder,
hi
thanks!
That's
it
in
favor,
none
opposed
and
what
abstention
so
we'll
table
until
our
next
meeting
to
be
discussed
thanks.
B
Awesome
what
I
would
say
is
please
I
encourage
everyone
if
you
still
have
questions
that
have
not
been
answered
about
this
to
email,
hillary,
the
development
team,
so
that
you
they
can
get
you
more
information
if
it
hasn't
already
been
sent
out.
Dana
has
her
hand
up
and
we're
moving
on
to
development
team
update.
So
I
don't
know
if
dana
you
want
to
go
ahead
as
we
transition
or
if
you
didn't,
have
your
hand
up
anymore,
and
I
just
missed
the
no.
O
I
think
I
was
putting
up
responding
to
an
earlier
point
of
this
is
really
similar
to
the
arrangement
at
the
palace
theater
in
downtown
st
paul,
where
the
city
owns
the
building
and
the
land,
and
we
have
an
operating
agreement.
We
pay
every
single
dollar,
we
pay
into
a
capital
expenditure.
O
As
far
as
I
know,
the
city
has
not
you
know.
Since
we
took
over
the
operations,
you
know
again:
we've
paid
every
single
dollar
of
expense
and
we
paid
the
city
rent
and
the
city
hasn't,
you
know
been,
it
hasn't
paid
a
dollar
into
any
kind
of
maintenance
or
capital
improvements,
so
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that
you
know
we
have
experience
with
these
types
of
arrangements
and
agreements
and
maintaining
our
responsibilities
and
paying
for
all
that
capital
improvement.
So
just
wanted
to
put
that
out.
There.
D
T
Okay,
I
I
wasn't
really
planning
to
to
give
a
huge
speech
or
anything
here,
other
than
to
just
reiterate
a
couple
of
the
the
main
points
that
were
in
the
memo
and
then
leave
it
open
to
q.
T
A
on
any
of
these
on
any
of
these
points
are
on
our
progress
and
we
do
have
obviously
dana
on
and
devin
as
well
to
answer
questions
on
this,
but
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
referring
back
to
the
memo
that
that
I
we
submitted
last
week
and
I'll
just
touch
on
a
couple
of
kind
of
key
items
here
and
then
and
then,
like
I
said,
leave
it
to
q
a
so
we
we
are
making
slower
progress,
I
think
than
than
what
we
hoped
at
this
point,
but
we
are
making
progress
on
the
community
benefits
term
sheet
and
markel,
and
I
have
been
talking
about
this
over
the
last
couple
weeks
and
are
intending
to
bring
this
up
with
their
executive
board
here
in
june.
K
E
T
She
does
have
her
executive
committee
reviewing
the
term
sheet
and
providing
comments,
and
I
think
we'll
start
to
make
some
some
serious
progress
on
that
here
over
the
next
couple
weeks
and
then
the
community
entity
expression
of
interest.
We,
we
might
have
called
this
an
rfq
or
an
rfp
back
in
january
or
prior
to
that.
T
But
we
we
changed
it
to
more
of
an
expression
of
interest,
and
that
was
based
on
some
of
the
feedback
that
I
was
getting
from
people
in
the
community
that
there
may
be
a
lot
of
community
organizations
that
have
interest
in
the
project,
but
don't
exactly
understand
all
the
different
ways
that
they
could
could
get
involved
and
so,
rather
than
a
formal,
rfq
or
rfp,
which
sounds
very
formal
and
typically
means
you
know
submitting
30
or
50
page
responses.
T
T
It's,
I
think,
there's
a
live
banner
on
the
upper
harbor
website
right
now
that
people
can
click
on
it
and
we
will
be
starting
a
proactive
messaging
campaign
here
on
on
this
expression
of
interest,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
reaches
as
many
organizations
and
people
as
possible,
and
so
I
would
encourage
anybody
if
you
know
of
a
group
or
have
interest
in
other
ways
of
trying
to
stay
involved
to
to
respond
to
that.
T
T
We
we
had
a
discussion
with
the
design
team
yesterday
it
may
be
early
august,
but
we
intend
to
have
a
series
of
meetings,
some
related
to
the
projects
themselves,
the
phase
one
projects,
because
if
for
us
to
kind
of
stay
on
schedule
with
with
where
the
city
is
at
and
with
what
we
need
for
funding
and
financing,
especially
with
the
affordable
housing,
we
do
need
to
start
design
soon,
and-
and
so
we
don't
want
to
get
too
ahead
of
the
community
on
that.
T
So
so
we're
hoping
to
have
a
few
design
workshops
here,
starting
this
summer,
we
are
also
convening
a
group
of
task
force
or
a
number
of
task
force
groups
that
will
be
focused
on
some
of
the
community
value
topics
and
we're
focused
primarily
on
environmental
justice
and
sustainability.
First
and
economic
inclusion,
jobs
and
careers,
because
those
are
on
accelerated
timelines,
we
do
have
to
make
decisions
again,
going
somewhat
back
to
design
we'll
have
to
make
decisions
on
different
sustainability
items
that
will
be
going
into
the
projects
faster
than
some
of
these
other
things.
T
And
then,
once
the
community
entity
is
selected
or
community
entities
are
selected,
we'll
be
we're
planning
to
create
another
task
force
around
the
community
ownership
and
wealth
creation,
and
then
the
disrupting
gentrification
and
displacement
as
well.
T
So
we
didn't
want
to
start
those
until
we
had
the
community
partners
on
board,
because
we
feel,
like
their
input,
will
be
important
to
know
how
we
craft
all
the
final
strategies
related
to
that,
and
so
I
touched
a
little
bit
on
you
know
the
some
of
some
of
these
decisions
with
you
know,
design
of
like
again
the
affordable,
housing
and
whatnot
I
mean
affordable.
Housing
takes
nearly
two
years
just
to
get
financed
and
you
have
to
start
applications.
T
Two
years
in
advance.
We've
already
submitted
a
pre-application
to
to
start
that
process
and
start
that
discussion
with
some
funders
and
so
naturally
they're
asking
like
well,
what
is
the
project
going
to
cost
and
what
is
it
going
to
look
like,
and
so
we
have
to
advance
some
of
those
discussions.
You
know
as
it
relates
to
to
design
and
finance,
and
so-
and
I
know
dana
is-
is.
T
And
has
pulled
together
a
team
to
help
with
that
and
then
similarly
on
parcel
5
the
business
park
or
the
manufacturing
parcel
we're
we're
just
starting
to
advance
the
design
a
little
bit
there
as
well.
T
So
we
can
update
our
budgets
and
everything,
and
then
I
I
did
want
to
touch-
and
I
and
I
know
devon
is
on
here
and
we
want
to
just
provide
a
little
more
context
on
parcel
6b,
the
community
health
and
wellness
hub,
because
we
always
anticipated
this
to
be
a
phase
2
project,
but
devin
has
made
some
significant
progress
with
with
some
interested
parties
on
this
and
and
is
in
talks
with
other
groups.
T
And
so
you
know
this
this,
I
don't
want
to
say
this
is
going
to
be
a
phase
one
project
yet,
but
but
we're
certainly
encouraged
by
some
of
these
early
discussions
and
and
hope.
You
know
that
this
is
something
that
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
advance
faster,
maybe
than
what
we
anticipated
and
devin.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
any
more
context
to
that.
S
Yeah,
well,
you
know
first,
you
know
I'll
be
really
quick,
but
you
know
if
anyone
wants
to
know
about
the
community
hub.
What
I've
been
working
on
is
really
pulling
together
a
bunch
of
partners
that
have
been
doing
community
work
similar
to
you
know
what
I've
been
doing
and
can
can
clearly
demonstrate
community
benefits,
helping
youth.
S
You
know,
families
seniors
that
are
in
the
community
and
so
I've
identified
kind
of
four
major
players
that
really
are
kind
of
like
a
glue
of
everything
going
on
along
with
my
organization
building
blocks,
but
I
have
about
maybe
five
to
ten
other
smaller
organizations
that
will
address
later
at
the
time.
But
I
really
want
to
throw
a
few
names
out
to
you
guys.
You
know,
I'm
sure,
if
you
guys
aren't
familiar,
you
guys
may
want
to
do
some
research
or
but
hear
about
them.
S
But
these
are
organizations
that
have
been
working
in
our
community
and
when
one
is
the
ymca
and
after
meeting
with
them,
they
have
some
initiatives
and
some
things
that
they
really
want
to
take
to
the
next
level
and
they
wanted
a
partnership
with
me
on
some
other
projects,
and
I
said
well:
here's
the
perfect
project
to
kind
of
expand
the
things
that
you've
been
doing-
and
I
chose
these
partners
really
to
be
the
the
first
phase
of
partners
because
of
their
track
record
and
how
long
they've
been
doing
it,
because
one
of
the
things
that
people
get
into
of
like
what
have
you
proven?
S
What
have
you
been
doing?
You
know
what
model
do
you
have?
What
what
evidence
do
we
have
what
you've
been
doing
in
the
past
and
so
and
then
two
also
there's
a
financial
component
too
that
they
can
come
to
the
table
with
and
help
with
some
finances
too,
and
so
them
having
that
on
their
resume?
Is
the
ymca
excuse
me?
The
second
is
inner
city
tennis.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
familiar
with
that,
but
they
have
a
program:
okay,
good,
but
listen
they're.
S
They
have
a
program
where
they
have
a
pay-to-play,
they
have
some
memberships
and
they
capture
some
of
the
you
know.
I
think
it's
an
older
clientele
that
they
have
some
memberships
and
dues
that
they've
played
tennis
and
they
have
access
to
tennis
courts,
but
they
take
the
revenue
from
those
and
they
fund
programs
for
for
our
youth
and
then
the
main.
S
The
reason
why
they
want
to
expand
more
into
north
minneapolis
is
because
a
lot
of
the
kids
are
there
that
they
were
serving
were
from
north
minneapolis
having
a
hard
time
getting
over
south
of
potterhorn
park.
So
they
wanted
to
kind
of
get
into
this,
and
so
when
they
were
recommended,
people
were
telling
them
hey.
S
Why
don't
you
contact
devin
because
there's
a
basketball
component
that
they
want
to
add
into
their
programming
space
and
then
also
they
know
that
I
want
to
work
with
kids
and
youth
in
north
minneapolis,
and
so
so
we
begin
to
talk
and
it
kind
of
fits
very
well
with
who
they're
trying
to
serve
we're
serving
the
same
people.
S
And
so
that's
another
component
and
then
there's
north
point
they're
the
third
partner
which
they
have
a
element
of
need
where
they
have
a
sports
medicine
arm
which
is
not
really
being
met
because
they
have
people
getting
services,
and
you
know
older
people
that
have
surgeries
that
don't
have
place
for
rehab
and
they
have
two
doctors
that
they're
sending
out
for
people
to
do
their
rehab.
S
So
I
want
to
have
their
sports
medicine
arm
sort
of
say
in
in
the
close
proximity
of
some
of
the
people
that
are
getting
their
surgeries
done,
because
most
people
understand
this.
The
two-hour
surgery
is
great,
but
the
rehab
and
what
you
do
afterwards
and
what
you
keep
on
is
is
very
necessary.
So
we
want
to
have
that
in
there.
My
non-profit
obviously
will
be
there
running
the
after
school
programs.
S
I've
gotten
an
overwhelming
number
of
people
that
just
want
to
come
and
be
a
part
of
it
from
football,
professional
football
players
to
professional
basketball
players
to
make
this
thing
happen,
whatever
it
takes
to
get
done
and
then
there's
some
other
smaller
aau
teams
and
organizations
that
will
come
in
and
work,
we
want
to
work
with
in
volleyball
and
whatnot,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
introduce
those
guys
to
you
and
then
kind
of
go
back
and
really
dig
deeper
into
so
the
next
time
we
talk,
I
can
say:
hey.
S
I
sat
down
with
the
partners,
the
community
guy.
The
community
knows
who
you
guys
are?
They
did
some
research.
They
know
you
guys
have
been
in
the
community
working
and
then
give
you
guys
like
a
week.
What
a
week
would
look
like,
so
you
can
see
hey
when
the
kids
are
in
school
this,
and
this
is
going
to
be
happening.
There'll
be
some
older
people
in
the
community
getting
rehab.
S
That
would
happen
so
just
to
kind
of
give
you
guys
like
what
a
week
looks
like
what
a
day
looks
like
and
then,
in
the
summer
time
what
kind
of
programs
would
go
on
in
this
building
and
then
two
both
of
these
organizations
love
this
project
as
well,
because
they
want
to
expand
on
what
they're
doing
the
y
has
so
many
different
programs
that
they
want
to
really
get
into
this
project
allows
them
to
get
into
those
areas
and
one
of
the
big
things
that
really
caught
my
attention
is:
they
have
a
really
big
a
job
creation
and
job
training
initiative
that
they
want
to
really
take
advantage
of
in
this
development
in
this
hub
as
well.
S
So
all
of
those
organizations
not
only
do
they
have
the
credibility
they've
been
around
for
a
long
time.
They
have
the
the
the
track
record
and
they
have
financing
that
they
can
bring
to
the
project,
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
beautiful
building.
S
It's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money,
so
we're
going
to
need
a
bunch
of
players
that
come
in
and
then
also
that
would
help
the
numerous
smaller
non-profits
and
people
that
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
the
development
that
I
can
bring
on
that
they
can
use
in
space
and
add
on
and
have
some
of
their
programs
as
well.
But
those
are
the
main
ones
that
were
really
you
know,
building
blocks.
You
know
inner
city,
tennis,
the
ymca
north
point.
S
Those
are
the
people
that
would
kind
of
come
in
with
some
financing
to
really
be
the
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
the
project
where
we
can
have
everybody
else
kind
of
come
in,
so
that's
kind
of
an
overview.
So
next
time
I
would
like
to
just
have
hey
here's.
What
a
week
look
like
committee,
here's!
What
a
summer
would
look
like!
You
know
from
these
times
this
time
this
what
would
be
going
on?
Here's
who
we're
serving
here's
the
people
that
we
want
to
we're
trying
to
get
to
that's
that's
my
goal
for
this.
S
S
So
they
can,
you
know,
have
questions,
you
know
comments,
and
you
know
suggestions
too,
because
it's
still,
we
have
a
blank
canvas
sort
of
saying
right
now
the
building's
not
built
yet
so
we
have
kind
of
a
blank
canvas,
but
we
want
to
get
those
we
want
to
get
that
out
to
you
guys
as
soon
as
possible.
B
Awesome.
Thank
you
all
right,
no
problem
time
check.
7
18..
My
office
is
trying
out
my
office
all
right,
so
it's
7
18.,
I'm.
B
B
So
do
we
have
anything
else
for
a
development
update?
If
not,
then
we're
gonna
go
to
the
city
update
or
are
there
any
questions?
Mary
has
our
hand
up
real,
quick
or
you're
muted.
I
B
I
K
Q
I
Q
P
Q
Agreed
I
mean,
and
because
that's
that's
just
it
too,
because
some
community
members
feel
like
they
need
time.
Some
community
members
feel
like
they
don't
need
time
and
if
they
did
make
a
comment,
some
people
feel
like
their
voices
are
hurting.
Some
are
not
so
it's
like
you
know.
We
can't
satisfy
everybody.
Q
B
So
I'm
gonna
give
a
little
bit
of
pushback
eric.
I
see
that
your
hand
is
up,
I
think,
what's
different
about
this
public
comment
period,
I
get
the
extra
time
getting
it
in
front
of
community,
but
from
my
from
what
was
presented,
it
sounds
like
they
actually
answer.
All
of
these
comments
like
they.
They
actually
come
back
with
information.
B
Regarding
everyone's
comment,
so
I
feel
like
it's
a
little
different
than
the
previous
public
comment
period
right
like
where
it
was
kind
of
just
open-ended.
B
So
I
think
that's
my
pushback
is
yes,
I
get
it,
but
we
also
can't
just
extend
everything
forever.
I've
been
talking.
I
About
one
month,
this
is
a
very
complicated
project
and
there's
one
meeting
I
know
about
tomorrow.
Personally,
I'm
working,
I
can't
go,
I
have
to
work
tomorrow
night.
So
if
I
was
a
community
member,
how
am
I
going
to
ask
questions?
How
am
I
going
to
get
the
information
and
then
give
a
comment?
So
if
we
can
have
some
community
meetings
in
our
neighborhoods
or
discuss
with
our
neighbors,
this
is
a
real,
really
quick
turnaround
well
and
there's
still
time
to
do
that.
A
Doesn't
start
tomorrow,
I'm
sorry
for
jumping
in
this
is
hilary
holmes.
The
comment
period
started
on
may
25th,
and
it
goes
until
june.
24Th
and
the
30
days
is
is
standard
is
what
is
required
from
the
state.
As
I
understand
it,
and
I
believe
there
could
be
it's
not
30
days.
Sorry,
like
an
extension,
could
not
be
as
much
as
30
days,
but
I
will
not
speak
to
it
anymore,
because
this
is
outside
of
my
realm
of
knowledge.
B
Eric
I'm
sorry,
I
know
your
hand
is
up
you.
Maybe
you
can
speak
to
that.
P
Let
me
meet
here,
so
I
I
believe
the
extension
is
a
government
unit
would
have
to
ask
for
the
extension
and
I
believe
they
can
do
it
for
15
days.
P
To
the
point
of
add,
in
extension
and
for
public
comment
there
there
could
be
impacts
on
on
the
overall
timeline
and
in
a
way
where
we
bump
up
against
funding
deadlines,
and
the
challenge
that
I
would
have
is
this
committee:
has
all
committees
of
all
committees
has
been
aware
of
the
aur
schedule,
so
you
know
that's
there.
There
is
a
30-day
period
for
this,
this
environmental
review,
so
I'm
not
sure
it's
you
could
request
it.
We'd
have
to.
P
We
we've
had
another
group
request
that
we've
we've
said
not
we
weren't
going
to
extend
it.
So
that's
what
we've
said
so
far.
F
I'm
sorry:
how
does
this
actually
encourage
people
to
participate
in
any
of
this
process
when
you
give
them
14
days
to
give
you
something
to
june
24th?
How
does
this
encourage
people
that
are
regular
people
on
the
ground?
That
may
know
nothing
about
this
project?
Have
no
background
information
have
not
participated
in
this
project
for
the
last,
however
many
years
and
talked
about
this
project
forever
many
years,
that's
fantastic
for
us!
What
about
regular
people
on
the
ground?
How
does
that
impact
them.
P
I
B
Grace
has
a
quick
question.
I'm
sorry
grace.
J
P
J
B
Thank
you
so
there's
been
time
and
people
have
had
plenty
of
opportunity
to
give
comment,
give
feedback.
Hillary
had
her
hand
up,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
was
just
to
call
the
roll
that.
B
Let's
take
a
vote,
please
and
thank
you.
It
is
7
27.
I
love
y'all.
It's
been
real
voting.
What
are
we
voting
on?
So
there
is
a
motion
on
the
table.
Can
someone
else
reread
that
or
can
you
restate
it
to
extend
the
public
comment
period
by
30
days?
I
believe
and.
B
B
H
F
F
F
A
Yes,
this
is
hillary,
sorry
someone's
trying
to
get
in
the
meeting.
I.
I
A
It
happens
every
day.
Okay,
so
we've
got
roll
call
for
the
motion.
Mary
did
you
need
the
motion
restated
I'll,
just
maybe
summarize
sorry
to
help
us
move
along.
It
was
taking
your
amendment
of
15
days
for
the
extension
of
the
comment
period.
So
roll
call
would
be
melissa,
newman,
nay,
markella.
D
J
L
H
H
A
All
right,
I
have
two
in
favor
six
opposed
and
one
abstention,
so
that
it
does
not
carry.
Thank
you.
P
I
just
I'll
just
say
one
thing:
thank
you
for
the
time.
Thank
you
for
being
hot.
The
city's
attorneys
has
the
contract
in
place,
and
work
is
underway
with
michael
fongala
and
james
hall,
who
are
private
civil
rights,
attorneys
that
are
looking
into
legally
defensible
ways
to
preference,
american
descendants
of
slavery,
and
so
that
work
is
underway
this
summer
we
should
have
reports
out
from
them
later
this
summer,
and
then
I
can
talk
about
all
the
rest
of
the
other
research
that
we're
negotiating
with
the
university
of
minnesota.
P
That'll
happen
after
that
at
the
next
meeting,
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
they're
in
they're,
under
contract
and
underway.
B
A
A
B
Awesome.
Thank
you
with
that.
That
does
conclude
our
agenda.
I
again
stress
that
if
any
questions
did
not
get
answered
or
if
you
need
more
clarification,
especially
surrounding
the
aur
that
you
reach
out
to
hillary,
the
development
team
miss
joanna.
I.
B
More
on
your
plate,
but
hey
you
can
always
have
the
answers
yeah.
So
just
do
that.
Please,
and
let's
continue
this
discussion.
Let's
not
wait
like
till
july
14th
to
have
conversations
outside
of
this
venue.
We
should
be
keeping
conversations
going
within
the
next
month,
so
I
will
as
long
as.
A
It's
under
quorum,
I'm
under
quorum,
obligated
to
say
this.
I
don't
need.
B
A
A
Loud
or
fast,
there's
a
gov
delivery
that
went
out
a
couple
of
them
that
went
out
and
I'll
just
send
another
blast
to
you
all.
If
that's
okay,
if
you
don't
mind
another
email
from
me
with
the
info,
so
that's
a
live
event,
so
different
than
advisory
committees,
so
it'll
be
more
more
interactive,
I'll,
say
because
there's
the
q
and
a
component
to
it.