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From YouTube: August 5, 2021 Committee of the Whole
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B
Good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
jeremiah
ellison,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
committee
of
the
whole
and
I'm
going
to
call
to
order
our
regular
committee
meeting
for
thursday
august
5th
and
I'm
due
to
some
technical
difficulties.
I'm
my
camera
is
not
working,
but
as
soon
as
it
is
I
will.
I
will
turn
it
on
for
those
who
are
watching
and
wondering
why
they
can't
see
me
I'd
like
to
note
for
the
record.
B
This
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
council
members
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law,
section
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
state
of
local
public
health
emergency.
I
will
also
note
that
the
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law
at
this
time.
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
rule
to
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
D
C
E
C
And
vice
chair
jenkins,.
E
C
C
F
C
But
I
know.
F
He's
here
so
since
he
spoke
earlier.
B
F
Yes,
yes,
so
that's
13
members
present
chair
allison.
Thank
you.
B
Again,
sorry
for
these
technical
difficulties.
Thank
and
thank
you
for
your
patience.
Let
the
record
reflect.
We
have
a
quorum.
We
have
two
items
on
our
agenda
for
discussion
today,
in
addition
to
the
reports
of
our
regular
committees
that
have
met
this
cycle.
Discussion
number
one.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
update
from
finance
and
property
services,
public
works
and
the
community
planning
and
economic
development
on
the
hiawatha
maintenance
facility,
campus
expansion.
I
believe
that
report
will
be
introduced
by
brett
jelly
interim
director
of
public
works.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
ellison
and
good
morning
to
you
and
committee
members.
I
am
brett
jelly,
the
interim
director
of
public
works
and,
as
you
noted,
I
am
joined
today
by
barbara
o'brien,
director
of
property
services
and
eric
hanson
director
of
economic
development,
to
respond
to
the
april
staff
direction
related
to
the
hiawatha
campus
expansion
project.
A
I
will
give
just
a
brief
recap
of
the
the
project
itself
and
then
we
will
move
into
the
elements
of
the
april
staff
direction,
which
included
the
financial
implications
of
terminating
the
city's
interest
in
this
parcel
and
alternatives,
operational
impacts
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
those
through
a
couple
of
again
alternatives
and
then,
finally,
what
the
process
would
be
to
sell
all
or
a
portion
of
the
property
next
slide,
as
we've
contemplated
the
hiawatha
campus
expansion,
there
really
are
some
core
operational
needs
that
are
driving
the
project.
A
First
and
foremost,
is
the
need
for
a
new
water
distribution
facility.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
existing
one.
It's
an
old
facility
in
northeast
minneapolis
that
needs
a
significant
amount
of
work
is
not
ada
accessible
and
it's
our
staff
deserve
to
work
in
in
a
in
a
better
facility.
We
also
need
to
consolidate
surface
water
and
sewer
staff.
A
They
currently,
the
engineering
and
technical
team
are
currently
in
temporary
spaces
downtown.
The
plan
is
to
co-locate
them
with
the
maintenance
and
capital
functions
within
surface
water
and
sewers
at
the
hiawatha
campus
and,
finally,
with
all
of
that,
there
are
just
many
opportunities
to
improve
the
existing
campus
next
slide.
A
This
is
located
along
hiawatha
between
26
and
28th
streets,
and
the
next
slide
is
kind
of
from
the
same
perspective
and
just
kind
of
shows
what
the
approved
master
plan
looks
like
we
have.
It
accomplishes
those
critical
operational
needs
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
That
includes
a
new
water
distribution
facility
on
the
on
the
property,
the
expanded
offices
that
will
allow
surface
water
and
sewer
staff
to
co-locate,
and
just
a
number
of
improvements
at
the
site
from
more
efficient
vehicle
maintenance,
tempered
storage
for
some
of
our
sensitive
equipment
and
sensitive
means.
A
It
can't
sit
outside
in
the
winter
in
particular,
and
just
a
more
efficient
overall
site.
In
addition
to
you
know
many
of
the
other
improvements
that
come
with
new
facilities
from
solar
roofs
to
you
know
green
storm,
water
management,
and
you
know
our
standards
of
of
meeting
lead
goals
adopted
by
the
city
council
and
then
one
other
item.
To
note.
In
this
approved
master
plan,
there
is
the
building
h,
which
is
at
the
at
the
top
of
the
of
the
master
plan.
That
is
the
outreach
and
training
building.
A
The
city
and
public
works
to
build
our
future
pipeline
of
employees
in
a
neighborhood
and-
and
we
have
a
really
good
partnership
with
our
labor
partners
and
others
who
share
that
vision,
and
you
know
just
interested
in
bringing
high
quality
jobs
and
really
good
careers
that
support
the
work
of
the
city.
A
So,
on
the
next
slide,
just
kind
of
a
foundation
as
we
move
into
the
financial
and
operational
implications
we
are
presenting,
we
are
presenting
information
under
four
options,
so
option
a
would
just
be
if
we
move
forward
with
the
approved
master
plan,
so
that
includes
the
drinking
water
campus.
A
A
So
many
of
the
elements
of
improving
the
existing
campus
from
building
the
office
space
out
and
and
other
things,
but
it
would
remove
the
training
and
outreach
facility
and
it
would
require
relocating
water
distribution
to
the
water
treatment
facility
and
then
option
c2,
which
is
the
same
from
what
would
happen
at
the
existing
campus.
A
It
does
remove
the
training
outreach
facility
and
it
would
move
water
distribution
to
a
new
location
which
is
to
be
determined
would
be
something
that
the
city
would
need
to
identify
and
purchase
in
the
future.
So
that's
the
framework,
the
framework
for
how
we
will
move
forward
and
get
into
some
more
details
and
I'll
pause.
There
might
be
a
question
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
barbara
o'brien.
B
Thank
you,
mr
jelly.
We
have
council
president
bender.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
walking
through
this,
and
I
know
you
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
different
decision
points
that
have
happened
over
the
time
that
this
project
has
been
underway.
F
F
So
the
only
person
who
wasn't
in
office
at
the
time
was
councilmember
osman,
who
has
taken
the
ward's
sixth
seat
in
a
special
election
after
council
member
warsami
resigned,
but
that
that
project
is
kind
of
where
it's
at
today,
because
this
city
council,
with
the
12
members
who
have
been
here
this
term
and
mayor
jacob
frye,
unanimously
approved
the
site
plan
back
in.
B
B
G
I
know
that
you
have
been
really
open
to
ensuring
that
this
project
is
squarely
aligned
with
the
city's
racial
justice
and
racial
equity
work,
unlike
some
of
the
other
council
members
that
have
just
spoken
earlier
today,
so
curious,
you
know,
mr
jelly,
could
you
explain
the
difference
between
option
c1
and
option
c2,
I'm
I'm
looking
at
the
slides,
but
my
slides
look
exactly
the
same,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
way
that
my
screen
is
set
up
or
something.
G
So
I
see
that
it
includes
the
approved
partial
hiawatha
campus.
It
removes
the
training
and
outreach
facility,
it
relocates
the
water
distribution
to
water
treatment.
So
is
it
just
that
the
water
distribution
goes
to
the
water
treatment
and
then
the
option
c2,
the
water
distribution,
goes
to
a
new
location,
and
if
you
could
just
briefly
be
a
little
bit
more
nuanced
around
that
and
then
lastly,
I
believe
that
we
did
ask
you
to
give
us
another
option,
which
is
to
relocate
the
entire
project
altogether
and
I'm
not
seeing
that
as
an
option.
G
So
again,
it
might
be
because
my
slide
screen
is
just
really
short
and
I'm
just
not
able
to
see
the
full
length
of
the
powerpoint,
but
just
wanted
to
to
call
that
out,
because
that
was
and
is
a
very
active
discussion
amongst
all
of
us
right
now.
A
Chair
ellison,
councilmember
cano.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
you
you've
described
the
differences
between
options,
c1
and
c2
correctly
option.
C1
would
just
assume
that
the
water
distribution,
the
new
water
distribution
facility,
would
move
to
our
water
treatment
campus
so
onto
a
property
that
we
currently
own
and
are
using
primarily
for
water
treatment.
That
is
also
located
in
fridley.
A
As
you
probably
know,
option
c2
does,
I
think,
get
to
what
you
are
mentioning.
As
far
as
the
direction
of
alternate
sites-
and
I
will
say
this
option
and
you'll
see-
is
barbara-
will
describe
kind
of
the
financial
implications
of
of
identifying,
locating
and
purchasing
a
new
location.
A
That
is
to
be
determined
I'll,
just
say
there.
Isn't
there
isn't
a
location
right
now
that
has
been
identified
for
a
variety
of
reasons?
One
is
you
know
we
have
done
some
evaluation
of
potential
sites.
That
information
is
informing.
I
think
some
of
the
cost
expectations
of
what
that
would
mean,
but
there
there
isn't
a
property
today
that
staff
would
say
if
we
have
to
move
off
of
the
hiawatha
location
and
go
to
something
else,
that
this
is
where
we
would
go.
E
Thank
you,
chair
ellison.
I
have
a
question,
but
I'll
start
with
a
comment.
First,
as
as
I
was
certainly
one
of
those
13
council
members
who
voted
to
move
this
project
forward
in
2018
and
then
in
in
2020,
we
had
a
global.
E
Virus
that
impacts
people's
respiratory
systems
as
well
as
social
justice,
racial
reckoning
that
spread
all
around
the
world
and
and
really
made
us
reevaluate
and
and
look
at
how
we
are
addressing
the
past,
harms
that
have
impacted
so
many
communities
of
color
like
the
ones
that
that
we
are
discussing
near
the
hiawatha
campus.
But
my
question
is:
is
there
water
actually
being
treated
at
the
proposed
new
site
or
I'm
just
kind
of,
or
is
it
just
a
maintenance
facility
to
to
maintain
our
equipment,
vehicles
etc?.
A
Chair
elson
council
vice
president
jenkins,
the
the
facility
that
we
need
to
replace
is
is
purely
a
maintenance
facility,
so
it
houses
the
staff
and
equipment
that
we
use
to
maintain
the
water
distribution
system.
There
is
no
treatment.
H
Yes,
hi,
I
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
actually
had
a
quick
comment
that
I
wanted
to
make
my
colleagues
aware
of
is
option.
C1
would
then
relocate
this
to
fridley,
which
is
in
the
northern
suburbs.
H
One
of
the
consequences
of
doing
that
is
that
the
having
a
centralized
location
means
that
there
is
less
movement
of
vehicles
having
it
in
the
northern
suburbs
means
that
there
is
going
to
have
to
be
from
the
northern
suburbs
folks
driving
all
across
the
city,
so
that
is
actually
producing
more
air
pollution,
and
I
will
also
just
add
that
it
is
passing
through
north
minneapolis.
H
All
of
that
additional
long-range
traffic
is
passing
through
north
minneapolis.
We
are
having
to
then
deal
with
the
increase
in
air
pollution
without
the
city
jobs
without
the
job
training
facility,
and
we
are
not
going
to
be
getting
the
any
of
the
benefits
of
this
additional
location.
H
So
I
just
I
want
folks
to
understand
that
this.
This
project
is
not
being
hot
potatoed
to
like
edina,
where
that
additional
traffic
will
be
passing
through
southwest.
When
we
look
at
the
maps
and
when
folks
talk
about
environmental
justice,
they
are
talking
about
areas
that
are
both
disproportionately
impacted.
H
We're
talking
about
north
minneapolis
as
well,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
folks
understand
the
concept
full
consequence
of
moving
this
project
to
fridley,
and
you
know
I
mean
the
consequences
of
that
aren't
abstract,
like
I
have
received,
calls
all
summer
from
constituents
who
their
landlords
won't
help
them
get
air
conditioning
units
in
in
their
homes
or
their
apartments,
and
their
kids
have
asthma
and
they're
dealing
with
asthma
attacks
from
this
extreme
heat
and-
and
that
is
a
direct
consequence
of
us
already
having
a
highway
that
passes
through
our
community,
and
so
I
just
want
folks
to
be
able
to
understand,
like
this,
isn't
like
an
abstract
like
okay,
it's
just
gonna
move
to
this
other
location
like
there
are
consequences
of
a
relocation
as
well
to
another
vulnerable
part
of
the
city.
B
Thank
you,
councilman
cunningham
and
I
know
we've
I'm
going
to
try
to
urge
us
to
keep
moving
along
with
the
presentation,
but
before
we
do,
we
have
councilmember
cano
and-
and
I
just
want
to
ask
everyone-
we
will
also
have
room
for
debate
and
discussion
after
the
presentation
as
well.
So
I
will
take
one
more
comment
and
then
let's
try
to
move
on,
but
thank
you.
Councilmember.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
you,
you
giving
me
the
the
chance
to
speak
to
the
fridly
point
specifically,
so
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
with
city
staff
about
the
different
types
of
ways
that
this
could
play
out
to
ensure
that
we
are
helping
to
repair
the
east
phillips
community
from
what's
probably
been
20
to
30
worth
of
urban
planning
that
has
essentially
promoted
and
baked
racial
injustices
and
white
supremacy
into
our
built
environment.
G
And
I
don't
you
don't
have
to
listen
to
me.
All
you
have
to
do
is
drive
through
east
phillips
and
the
inequity
is
clear.
So
just
compare
east
phillips
to
you,
know,
ward
10,
for
example,
and
the
the
you
know
the
inequities
are
going
to
be
palpable.
There's
no
there's
no
research.
That
needs
to
be
extremely
exposed
here.
I
think
that
the
reality
is
pretty
dang
obvious.
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
director
jelly
to
please
address
the
fridly
question
because,
specifically
in
the
staff
direction
that
we
are
hoping
to
bring
forward
at
the
pogo
committee
on
the
18th,
if,
if
our
body
chooses
to
transmit
this
conversation
to
that
committee,
so
we
can
actually
take
a
vote.
Mr
mr
jelly,
you
explicitly
said
do
not
use
the
word
fridly
in
the
staff
direction.
G
I
know
that
there's
a
robust
conversation
about
reworking
the
current
site,
which
of
course
is
already
already
in
east
phillips
and
is
already
sort
of
slated
to
get
a
multi-level
parking
ramp,
which
is
really
strange
to
me,
because
we
know
that
this
is
one
of
the
city's
prime
tod
sites
being
transit,
oriented
development,
given
that
we
have
the
light
rail
right
next
to
it.
So
so
this
isn't
going
to
be
a
conversation
about
you
know,
parking
ramps
and
and
tod
sites.
G
But
I
do
want
you,
mr
jelly,
to
please
explain
to
the
body
to
address
this.
Mr
councilmember
cunningham's
questions
around.
Is
it
a
fade
accompli
that
this
would
be
done
in
fridley
or
kind
of
what's
the
staff
thinking
about
a
future
conversation?
G
If
the
council
were
to
completely
suspend
the
expansion
in
these
phillips.
A
Chair
ellison,
council
member
cono,
we've
presented
options,
we
split
option
c
into
two
options
because,
to
your
point
I
think
it's
it's
fair
to
describe
again
the
financial
as
we
will
move
forward
the
financial
impacts
and
operational
impacts
of
these
two
options,
both
as
going
to
the
the
water
treatment
campus
in
fridley,
which
is,
is
a
concept
that's
been
explored
previously
or
finding
a
new
location.
So
I
do
think
that
to
your
point,
if
the
body
decided
to
move
on
from
this
location,
we
would
want
to
look
at
both
of
those
options.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Director,
generally,
I
got
a
comment
from
the
council
president.
F
As
I
understand
folks
are
talking
about,
that's
okay,
we
just
need
to
understand
the
trade-offs,
as
staff
are
telling
us
the
costs
associated
and
all
those
things
just
just
on
behalf
of
staff,
though
that
are
working
on
this
for
so
long.
I
just
had
wanted
to
really
make
sure
that
everyone
understood
that
that
was
a
decision
by
policy
makers
that
we
all
gave
direction
unanimously
to
them
to
do
so.
B
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
urge
us
to
move
move
forward
in
the
presentation
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
for
their
comments
so
far,
but
I
think
we're
ready
to
move
move.
A
Ahead,
so
thank
you,
chair
allison.
I'm
going
to
hand
this
over
to
barbara
o'brien
to
talk
through
the
project.
I
Thank
you,
chair
ellison
and
council
members.
I
am
barbara
o'brien,
I'm
the
director
of
property
services
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
I'll,
walk
through
the
next
few
slides,
which
will
recap
a
breakdown
of
the
options
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
now,
a
little
more
a
little
more
focused
on
each
one
of
them
and
discuss
some
of
the
financial
implica
implications.
Moving
forward
next
slide,
please.
I
Okay,
I'd
like
to
start
with
where
we
are
today,
so
current
expenses
that
have
been
executed
per
our
approved
budget
to
date
include
the
land
purchase
at
7.3
million,
which
was
already
stated,
but
that
acquisition
happened
in
february
of
2016..
I
I
With
option
one
that
is,
as
director
jelly
stated
earlier,
that
would
be
moving
forward
with
the
execution
of
the
approved
master
plan,
so
it
would
include
all
of
the
facilities
that
are
cited
on
the
image
to
your
on
the
left.
I
This
thing
this
has
a
reduction
in
overall
construction
that
you
will
see
because
it
does
remove
the
new
stores
facility,
as
well
as
the
training
facility.
So
the
difference
between
option
a
and
option
b
is
the
removal
of
those
two
facilities
on
this
site.
Again.
Budget
spent
to
date
and
escalation
would
be
included,
and
this
option
has
us
an
unused
design
fees
for
those
two
facilities.
I
We
have
already
gone
into
design
for
both
of
those
facilities
and
we
would
not
be
utilizing
those
designs,
so
we
would
also
have
a
land
expense
of
3.1
million
dollars
that
we
would.
We
would
be
relinquishing
next
slide
please.
I
This
is
an
overview
of
both
options.
C1
and
c2
kind
of
combined
you'll
see
them
side
by
side,
and
this
includes
existing
campus
construction
that
would
move
forward.
I
So
we
would
continue
with
facilities
that
we
are
currently
at
90
percent
construction
documents
with
our
design
team.
We
are
on
hold
at
that
at
that
stage
of
design.
I
We
we
recognize
that
both
options
would
have
a
cost
for
the
site
development,
whether
whether
we
would
go
to
the
fridley
campus
or
whether
we
would
find
an
entirely
different
site
for
this
activity
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
I
Option
c2
does
have
an
estimated
fair
market
value
price
included
for
purchasing
a
new
site,
and
then,
of
course,
we
would
have
to
start
over
with
our
designs,
so
those
design
fees
which
would
be
unused
and
lost
would
need
to
be
duplicated
in
a
new
effort.
I
I
I
This
is
a
financial
implications
summary
which
puts
all
four
options
side
by
side
we.
So
these
are
the
facts
that
and
figures
that
you
saw
in
the
three
previous
slides,
they're
demonstrated
side
by
side.
I
want
to
point
out
that
in
option
a
that
does
include
the
new
source
building
and
the
new
outreach
and
training
facility.
I
All
of
the
other
options
do
not
so
the
the
what
is
being
represented
here
is
that
moving
forward
with
the
project
as
it
had
as
it
was
approved,
and
we
have
been
progressing
thus
far.
The
orange
highlighted
area
at
the
bottom
is
a
side-by-side
comparison
of
the
financial
implications
associated
with
these
options.
I
B
I
see
we
have
a
question
from
council.
Vice
president
jenkins.
E
Chair
ellison,
just
a
quick
question
is
it
I
mean
if
we
went
to
the
ridley
site,
it's
not
necessarily
a
relocation.
Is
it
we're
already?
There
is,
am
I
mistaken.
A
Chair
allison
council.
Vice
president,
we,
our
water
treatment
campus,
is
located
there.
The
water
distribution
facility
that
we
need
to
replace
is
currently
located
on
east
hennepin,
so
they
would
be.
They
would,
under
one
scenario,
be
moving
to
hiawatha,
but
under
the
c1
option
would
be
moving
to
the
fridley
campus.
A
Thank
you,
barbara
included
in
the
staff
direction
was
an
evaluation
of
operational
implications
showing
this
in
in
a
grid
format
and
highlighting
the
different
elements
that
we've
been
talking
about
as
this
project's
been
under
development,
so
of
course,
new
water
distribution
facility,
you
know
so
under
option
a
and
b.
We,
of
course
have
that
walking
away.
You
know
to
be
determined
more
about.
A
We
don't
have
a
firm
plan,
moving
forward
that
that
would
hopefully
turn
green
over
time
on
consolidated
surface
water
and
sewers
plan,
all
options,
a
b
and
both
c
options.
We
would
be
able
to
accomplish
that
goal.
A
At
least
we
won't
have
a
plan
to
accomplish
those
in
the
immediate
future.
The
additional
maintenance
phase
I
touched
on
this
earlier.
This
plan
would
include
locating
fleet
staff
at
hiawatha,
that's
good
for
operations
and
generally
environmentally,
because
we
would,
instead
of
taking
vehicles
to
royalston
for
things
like
oil
changes.
We'd
be
able
to
do
that
at
the
location.
A
Both
options,
a
and
b
accomplish
that
and
options
c1
and
c2.
There
are
some
space
considerations
that
we
would
have
to
figure
out.
It's
possible
that
we'd
be
able
to
accomplish
that
at
the
hiawatha
campus,
but
it's
also
possible
that
it
won't
fit,
and
then-
and
maybe
I
kind
of
repeated
myself-
the
additional
maintenance
bays
also
include
the
ability
to
have
a
dedicated
space
for
our
cured
in-place
piping
program,
which
is
a
is
a
something
our
surface
water
and
sewers
group
does
every
year.
A
So
we
would
have
dedicated
space
for
that.
Both
options,
a
and
b
accomplish
it,
and
then
the
last
two
options.
We
are
able
to
improve
site
circulation
under
both
options
and
also
you
know
where,
of
course,
by
locating
here.
We
have
a
centralized
response
in
in
the
sea,
alternatives
we're
for
sure
not
able
to
improve
the
site
circulation,
and
we
we
see
one
would
not
be
centralized
and
under
option
c.
B
F
Oh
thanks,
mr
chair,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
I
did
just
hearing
some
of
the
questions
and
comments.
I
wondered
if,
as
you're
talking
through
this
slide
and
some
of
the
future
ones
that
I
know
are
going
in
more
detail,
if
you
could
just
kind
of
share
in
a
language
that's
accessible
to
the
public
which
what
each
of
these
functions
is,
I
don't
want
to
take
a
ton
more
time,
but
just
so
we
kind
of
get
a
picture
in
our
head.
What
does
it
look
like?
You
know:
what
are
the
staff
doing?
F
What
are
the
functions
that
are
serving
the
city
just
in
kind
of
terms
that
a
person
who
just
maybe
turns
on
their
tap
and
doesn't
think
about
what
happened
for
the
water
to
get
there
or
flushes
their
toilet,
and
the
sewer
system
is
working
and
maybe
doesn't
think
about
all
the
stuff
that
goes
into
making
those
important
functions
happen,
and
that's
only
actually
a
part
of
all
this
with
the
surface
water
and
sewers
included
as
well.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
council
president.
I
should
probably
do
that
I'll.
Do
that
on
this
slide,
so
our
hiawatha
campus
and
the
vision
for
the
hiawatha
campus
hosts
some
of
the
most
basic
core
services
we
provide
as
a
department
and
as
a
city.
A
And
in
so
that's
the
transportation,
maintenance
and
repair
side.
It
also
includes
a
portion
when
we
talk
about
the
surface
water
and
sewers
group.
This
is
the
group
that
designs
and
maintains
both
the
storm
system.
So
when
it
rains
and
and
water
hits
the
streets-
and
it
goes
to
our
rivers,
lakes
and
streams
and,
of
course
want
to-
and
we
do
that
in
a
way
that
manages
the
volume
and
manages
the
quality
of
the
water
to
protect
the
environment.
A
We
have
folks
that
work
on
green
infrastructure.
So
if
you
see
planted
medians,
if
you
see
areas
where
water
can
leave
the
street
and
go
into
a
swale,
the
staff
that
work
out
of
this
area
are
designing
and
maintaining
that
the
other
big
portion
kind
of
other
half
of
this
group,
as
you
mentioned,
is
the
sewer
system.
So
the
sanitary
sewer
system,
you
know
we
design
and
maintain
the
you
know.
You
use
water
in
your
home
and
eventually
it
goes
to
the
met
council
facility
to
be
treated.
A
The
pipes
that
transmit
that
system
are,
you,
know,
underground,
invisible
but
very
important
and
are
things
that
we
rely
on
and
they
require
a
lot
of
maintenance.
So
there
are
daily
daily
routes
for
staff
that
work
out
of
this
facility
that
are
going
out
and
they're
cleaning
and
making
sure
that
flow
is
maintained
so
that
we
don't
have
backups
into
homes.
Those
are
the
types
of
you
know
when,
when
the
system's
not
working
well,
those
are
pretty
catastrophic
impacts
to
the
people
that
live
in
the
city
and
the
water
distribution
group.
A
You
know
so.
Water,
the
water
division
treats
water
from
river
to
tap
our
manages
the
water
from
river
to
tap.
So,
of
course,
it's
we
use
mississippi
river
and
we
treat
the
water
and
then
it
goes
out
in
the
distribution
system,
and
so
the
staff
that
that
work
are
working
on
this
every
day
are
doing
things
like
maintenance
around
the.
A
Water
main
breaks,
we're
lucky
in
minneapolis
that
we
don't
have
as
many
as
some
other
cities
have,
but
they
do
happen-
and
this
is
these
are
the
crews
that
are
on
call
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
to
show
up
and
fix
those
water
main
breaks.
They
are
emergency
responder
and
we
also
have
projects
such
as
right
now,
where
we're
replacing
the
water
meters
in
people's
homes
and
keeping
all
of
that
infrastructure
updated
and
then
the
function
includes.
A
You
know
some
pretty
common
things
too,
like
a
customer
service
function,
you
know
how
we
manage
and
program
our
work,
all
the
support
that
goes
with
that.
So
that's,
I
guess
an
overview
of
of
again.
You
know
drinking
water,
one
of
the
most
critical
things
we
do
as
a
city,
all
the
way
to
plowing
streets
and
thick
and
filling
potholes.
A
In
prior
to
the
city
purchasing
the
roof
depot
property,
there
was
an
evaluation
of
locating
at
the
fridley
campus
versus
a
central
location,
and
that
was
hiawatha,
and
I
this
is
something
that
I
think
it's
referred
to,
and
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
a
good
way
to
kind
of
go
into
a
little
more
detail
on
some
of
the
operational
impacts,
and
this
is
so.
A
I've
taken
the
23
evaluation
and
just
categorized
it
by
the
the
big
buckets
of
items,
kind
of
what
the
2013
evaluation
stated
and
then
the
current
status,
because
ultimately,
a
lot
kind
of
changed,
as
as
this
group
has
continued
to
you,
know,
try
to
perform,
provide
services
more
efficiently.
So
one
of
the
items
that
we
always
look
at
is
so,
if
we
based
on
where
we're
located,
what
does
that
do
with
staffing,
and
so
in
2013?
There
was
an
idea
that
there'd
be
ability
to
reduce
some
staffing.
A
If
they
were,
we
were
able
to
co-locate
at
the
water
treatment
campus
and
also
you
know
some
of
the
our
our
meter
operations
might
benefit
from
that.
Some
things
have
changed
since
then.
You
know
it
was
a
number
of
years
ago.
A
We've
already,
we've
had
to
keep
moving
forward
with
a
lot
of
our
work,
so
we've
already
done
that
that
engineering
and
I.t
staff
co-located
the
treatment
campus
we've
already
done
some
space
improvements
to
to
make
that
make
that
work
and
we've
also
we've
also
already
through
business
process
improvements
and
and
the
implementation
of
the
enterprise
land
management
system,
reduce
staffing
and
that
permits
and
connection
group.
So
we
are,
we
are
moving
forward
with.
A
A
They've
we've
reduced
our
staffing
and
we've
already
planning
on
expanding
some
storage
at
the
water
treatment.
Campus
next
slide.
A
Please
another
another
important
thing
is
how
we
use
our
equipment
with
our
goal
of
of
owning
the
fewest
pieces
possible
and
using
them
as
much
as
we
can,
both
again,
both
locations
had
some
advantages.
A
You
know
noting
that
if
we
are
located
centrally,
as
discussed
earlier,
we're
going
to
reduce
overall
mileage,
that's
an
item
that
really
hasn't
changed
there.
There
certainly
would
be
some
advantages
and
we
both
so
the
kind
of
way
to
look
at
it
is
if,
if
distribution
was
with
the
treatment
group,
they're
able
to
share
equipment
between
themselves,
but
we
also
have
a
lot
of
people
and
equipment
at
hiawatha,
and
you
know
we've.
A
We
continue
to
work
on
our
ability
to
work
across
our
divisions
to
share
equipment,
so
things
like
pool
vehicles,
you
know
and
up
to
rubber
tire
backhoes,
and
we
do.
As
I
noted
earlier,
we
are
planning
on
having
kind
of
a
shared
vehicle
maintenance
resources
at
that
site
from
a
travel
standpoint
again.
This
was
mentioned
a
little
bit
earlier.
That
study
identified.
A
About
57
000
miles
a
year
increase
by
being
at
the
fridley
campus
fuel
maintenance
time
calculated
at
84,
000,
almost
85.
A
using
those
same
assumptions,
not
much
has
changed.
One
thing
is:
you
know
we
are
as
a
city
trying
to
count.
We
are
contemplating
pollution
in
the
social
cost
of
carbon
calculation,
for
that
additional
mileage
is
almost
five
thousand
dollars
and
then
security.
This
was
a
big
one
and
and
has
been
a
change,
and
this
was
kind
of
from
benefits
of
being
at
ridley
identified
at
that
time,
that
there
might
be
some
ability
to
have
security
improvements
and
save
money.
A
Since
then,
we
have
evaluated
security
needs
at
the
fridley
campus
and
we've.
You
know,
because
the
we've
been
moving
forward
with
the
approved
project.
We
know
that
we
we
don't
need
to
and
haven't
designed
any
additional
security
features
at
the
hiawatha
facility
outside
of
the
normal
features.
We
would
have
at
a
campus
like
this
from
gates
and
fencing
and
cameras
so
that
that
assumption
hasn't
aged
well,
as
we've
continued
to
evaluate
that
facilities
operation.
A
So
that
ends
report
out
on
the
operational
implications
and
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
eric
hanson
from
community
planning
and
economic
development
to
talk
about
disposing
of
property.
J
Thank
you,
brett.
Let
me
take
off
my
mass.
I
just
want
to
encourage
everybody,
regardless
of
vaccine
status,
to
wear
masks
indoors
right
now,
as
the
delta
variant
rages
through
minneapolis.
It
helps
our
community
and
people
in
vulnerable
populations,
but
it
also
helps
our
small
businesses
stay
open
and
they've
had
one
heck
of
a
year
and
a
half.
So
please
do
so.
You
go
to
the
next
side.
Please
good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
J
J
We
can
sell
to
other
governments
for
uses
for
other
government
uses
typically
for
real
estate,
especially
commercial,
real
estate,
those
flow
from
the
state
to
the
county
down
to
the
municipality
and
not
the
other
way
around.
So
it's
it's
it's
kind
of
an
option,
that's
not
likely
for
for
this
project.
Typically,
we
see
cities
selling
to
the
counties
and
state
et
cetera
for
like
transportation
projects
and
other
operations,
but
in
this
case
I'm
just
going
to
let
you
know
that
that
is
an
option
available
to
you.
But
it's
not
one.
J
That's
probably
going
to
be
relevant
to
this
this
matter,
so
the
other
two
options
are
declaring.
This
is
a
surplus
property,
since
there
are
statutory
requirements
on
surplus
property,
but
typically
you
do
it
through
some
sort
of
bidding
process,
an
open
process,
either
a
sealed
bid
or
an
auction.
So
a
sealed
bid.
J
The
third
option
is
using
our
redevelopment
authority
and
that's
primarily
what
cped
does
is
oversees
the
redevelopment
authority
on
behalf
of
the
city,
and
we
can
do
that
in
one
of
two
ways:
competitive
process
or
through
a
direct
sale.
Next
slide.
Please.
J
So
let
me
talk
about
the
surplus
property
options
and
the
redevelopment
property
option.
As
I
said
earlier,
you
know
it's
an
arm's
length,
open
market
sales,
sale
of
an
asset
and
basically
an
as
is
condition.
J
You
know.
The
benefits
of
this
is
is:
is
you're
able
to
sell
the
property
faster.
You
can
set
a
price
for
real
estate.
You
can
say
that
the
you
know
the
opening
bid
is
a
certain
amount
based
on
a
an
appraisal
or
an
appraisal
minus
you
know
for
a
certain
percentage
to
get.
You
know
kind
of
options
going
and
then
it
limits
the
city's
exposure
to
ongoing
property
maintenance
because
we
can
sell
it
faster
and
then
you
know
the
the
buyer.
The
winning
bidder
takes.
J
The
property,
gives
us
the
money
and
goes
forward
the
the
the
downfall
of
this
part.
Is
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
control
the
city
would,
then,
you
know,
would
basically
go
by
price
and
whoever
wins
the
bid,
wins
the
property.
So
it's
possible
that
all
the
sunk
costs
and
likely
that
all
the
sun
costs
are
uncovered
and
you'll
have
a
little
outcome
on
the
development.
J
J
So
I
think
what
the
council
has
been
interested
in
is
talking
about.
What
will
we
do
if
the
council
was
to
decide
to
move
this
facility
to
another
location
and
put
it
into
the
redevelopment
inventory?
So
this
is
a
controlled
sale
of
the
property
for
some
sort
of
public
purpose,
that's
also
in
statute.
J
So
what
what
the
advantage
of
this
is?
This
is
ability
for
the
city
to
set
development
objectives
and
public
benefits
and
and
go
through.
You
know
a
choice
process
of
who
to
buy
it,
who
can
buy
it
and
what
we
would
do.
So
we
see
this
a
lot
with
you
know
right
now,
we've
got
the
kind
of
we've
got
a
range
of
those
properties
right
now.
The
upper
harbor
terminal
is
the
most
extensive
one
where
multiple
uses
a
long.
J
You
know
period
of
time
to
redevelop
all
the
way
down
to
like
927
west
broadway,
which
was
an
rfp
to
just
re
rehab,
an
existing
commercial
building
and-
and
we
do
it
for
housing
projects
as
well.
J
J
There's
no
heating
plant
in
it,
for
example,
there's
water
infiltration,
there's
some
issues
with
the
roof
and
the
and
the
you
know
the
building
envelope,
which
we
would
we
would
have
to
address,
and
then
just
general
like
opera,
like
property
management
and
security,
so
that
we
make
sure
that
the
building
doesn't
deteriorate
and
we
have
unfortunately
some
examples
in
the
past
where
buildings
have
been
a
demise
with
inattention
from
from
the
city
when
we've
hold
it,
we
have
holding
costs
through
the
duration,
which
we
can
talk
about
a
little
bit
in
the
next
slide,
and
then
you
know
there's
a
trade-off.
J
As
we
know,
we
have
finite
resources
as
a
city.
So
anytime
we
make
a
decision
as
a
council
on
the
mayor.
It
has
impacts
to
other
work.
That's
going
on.
We
have
a
number
of
large-scale
projects
like
the
old,
the
niklet
and
lake
street
project.
As
I
told
you,
we
have
properties
in
bassett
creek.
Those
are
major
development
projects.
J
This
would
enter
into
that
category
as
a
major
project
which,
and
it's
in
it,
based
on
what
I've
seen
from
from
from
community
images,
it's
an
it's
complicated
project
with
multiple
uses,
including
housing,
so
it
would
take
a
take
a
long
time
and
based
on
the
you
know,
you
know
best
practices
and
current
realities
of
financing
and
funding.
There's
there's
likely
to
be
some
public
subsidy
needed.
So
next
slide,
please.
J
So
your
two
options
under
the
redevelopment
process
is
a
competitive
process
or
direct
sale.
So
the
competitive
process
is
this
is
the
the
process
that
the
city
typically
deploys?
J
It's
a
cped
led
process
where
we
we
start
with
engagement
with
community
and
stakeholders
and
do
you
know
active
solicitation
out
to
the
development
community
under
some
development
of
objectives,
depending
on
the
scale
and
size
and
complexity
of
the
project?
J
That's
either
written,
and
you
know
reported
to
the
council
or
derived
together
with
the
council
and
stakeholders
over
a
period
of
time
and
and
and
then
we
put
it
out
and
we
see
who
wants
to
come
back
and
respond,
and
then
we,
you
know,
consider
the
options
and
make
a
choice
out
of
hopefully
many
sometimes
it's
few
and
and
so
that's
a
that's.
That's
that's
our
kind
of
our
bread
and
butter
approach
to
the
redevelopment
properties.
That
way
we
can.
J
We
can
allow
for
some
transparency
and
allow
for
the
development
community
to
give
us
their
best
highest
and
best
ideas.
The
other
side
is
a
direct
sale.
The
city
can
elect
to
just
choose
who
we
want
to
work
with
as
long
as
we're
meeting
that
public
purpose.
We
usually
do
this
through
exclusive
development
rights.
J
We,
where
we
we
seldom
do
this,
but
this
might
be
an
option
that
you
want
to
consider
in
this
case,
given
the
community
organization
around
the
indoor
farm
project
and
will
the
way
we
would
do
this
is
we
would
issue
what
was
called
an
exclusive
rights
agreement
that
would
go
through
the
city
council?
J
It
would
it
would
articulate
conditions
that
the
city
council
would
bestow
on
this
organization
and,
typically,
what
we
would
say
is
they
would
they
would
be
in
charge
of
the
engagement
they'd,
be
in
charge
of
creating
the
operations
plan,
the
capital
plan
financing.
J
You
know
all
of
the
elements
of
putting
together
a
development
project
and
then
they
would
return
to
the
city
for
review
and
then
and
then
approval,
and
then
we
would
go
through.
You
know
at
the
end
of
that
process,
then
we
go
through
what
is
called
a
redevelopment
contract
and
we
we
need
that
in
both
processes.
J
I
bring
this
up
because
of
the
interest.
That's
in
the
community
around
the
indoor
farm
plus
staffing
commitments
that
we
have.
This
would
be
the
least
staff
intensive.
This
is
a
process
we
have
deployed
at
lotte
in
the
cedar,
riverside
neighborhood,
based
on
some
community
interests,
to
proceed,
lack
of
basically
staff
resources
to
do
the
competitive
or
staff
cped
led
process.
So
we
have
those
going
on
in
the
city
at
the
same
time.
So
one
last
next
high,
please.
J
So,
as
you
consider
the
way,
if
you're
going
down,
you
know
option
c,
we
have
this
property
as
something
to
deal
with.
Some
considerations.
You
should
keep
in
mind
is
the
cost
of
it
and
the
need
for
an
appropriation,
and
that
would
probably
need
to
happen
when
you
make
your
decision,
because
we
we
have
an
estimated
cost
for
stabilizing
the
building
at
4
million.
It's
a
very
rough
estimate,
so
that
number
could
go
up.
J
It
could
go
down,
but
it
gives
you
kind
of
a
ballpark
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
then
annual
property
management
and
security
and
maybe
project
management.
If
you
choose
a
competitive
process
as
opposed
to
a
direct
sale
process
ranges
somewhere
between.
You
know
like
a
floor
of
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
you
know,
probably
a
ceiling
around
in
a
four
hundred
and
a
half
million
dollars
a
year
of
annual
ongoing
costs
until
we
finally
sell
the
building.
J
The
redevelopment
process
requires
that
you
know
the
project
be
done,
because
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
getting
a
public
purpose
of
a
real
estate
asset.
You
know
contributing
to
either
like
providing
housing,
shelter,
business
opportunities,
tax
base,
those
sort
of
things,
so
we
don't
convey
the
land
until
all
the
finances
is
in
place
to
to
construct
the
minimum
improvement.
So
we
kind
of
hold
on
to
this
until
everything's
lined
up.
J
So
if
the
council
wants
to
explore
the
competitive
process,
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
other
large-scale
development
projects
we
have
and
the
deployment
of
the
american
rescue
plan.
It's
likely.
We
would
not
be
able
to
pick
this
up
for
a
year
or
two
2023
is
probably
a
an
aggressive
estimate,
so
at
some
time
in
that
year
we
would
have
staff
that
would
be
coming
off
of
of
other
projects
these,
as
given
the
complexity
of
this
project,
I
just
think
we
would
need
a
substantial
team.
J
It
has
been
the
evolution
of
the
development
process
within
the
city,
especially
these
larger
projects,
to
deploy
a
lot
more
staff
resources
the
front
end
of
these
projects,
so
that
we
are
doing
stakeholder
analysis
and
engagement
strategies
that
the
council
can
review
we're
doing
that
right
now,
with
the
niklet
and
lake
street
project
and
you'll
see.
J
What's
coming
out
from
the
staff
team
later
this
year,
so
it's
it's
much
more
intensive
than
than
maybe
in
a
previous
generation
or
we
just
write
but
rfp
with
development
objectives
and
and
kind
of
throw
it
on
the
proverbial
street
and
see
what
happens
so
so
we
think
it's
a
it's.
A
few
years
before
we
get
started
the
environmental
review
that
the
city
initiated
around
this
would
probably
would
need
to
be
updated
and
there
would
be
a
cost
to
that.
You
know
that
would
be
depending
on.
J
If
you
could
amend
what's
there
or
have
to
start
over,
that's
there's
there
could
be
significant
goals
to
that.
You
know
maybe
in
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
range
and
then,
as
all
you
know,
good
intentions,
city
run
projects
just
take
time,
even
the
straightforward
ones
take.
You
know
three
to
five
years,
the
more
complicated
projects
take
decades
this
one
depending
on
the
end
of
the
process,
and
how
many
different
complicating
factors
there
are
around
funding
and
and
uses
could
be.
You
know
number
of
years.
J
I
try
to
manage
people's
expectations
that
it's
not
uncommon,
especially
if
you're
looking
for
state
funding
and
other
public
sources
to
be
expecting
this
to
you
know,
probably
five
years,
but
it
wouldn't
be
surprising
to
me
if
this
is,
you
know,
you
know
decades-long
project
and
then,
like
I
said,
there's
like
with
any
consideration
you
have
as
a
council,
there
are
trade-offs,
so
the
development
funds
that
we
have
are
limited
and
aren't
being
replaced
based
on
other
needs.
J
The
city
has,
and
so
there'll
be
some
of
those
considerations
when
we
are
looking
for
investment
in
in
those
large
scale
projects,
and
this
one
would
just
be
added
to
it
just
something
to
consider,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
brett
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
we
do
have
the
director
of
cped
andrea
brennan
on
the
call
as
well.
She
might
have
dropped
off
her
minute
for
agenda
setting
for
biz,
but
we
can
bring
her
back
if
we
have
a
question.
B
I'm
not
currently
seeing
any
questions,
and
so
I
think
we
can
we
can
keep
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
Oh
we
do
have.
One
question
spoke
too
soon.
Council.
Vice
president
jenkins,.
B
E
Not
sure
if
this
is
necessarily
for
either
mr
hansen
or
director
brennan,
but
can
we
use
the
planning
documents
for
these
facilities
at
another
site?
I
mean.
I
would
think
that
those
the
the
building
plans
could
potentially
be
reused
in
a
in
a
on
a
different
site.
A
And
thank
you
eric
I'm
going
to
barbara.
I
see
her
camera
turn
on.
Who
is
much
more
knowledgeable
about
what
it
takes
to
build
a
facility
than
I
am.
I
Chair
elsin
and
council
vice
president
jenkins,
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
that,
so
typically,
the
design
work,
especially
with
these
specialized
buildings
of
this
nature,
more
the
the
more
advanced
you
get
in
the
design
process,
the
more
specific
it
is
to
the
site,
meaning
you
start
out
in
the
very
beginning,
with
pre-design
and
schematic
design,
and
at
that
point
it
is
it's
about
the
functionality
of
the
facility
as
it
moves
along
in
the
design
which
these
facilities
have.
I
They
are
very
site
specific
so
where,
where
vehicles
would
enter
where
you
know
entering
and
exiting
they're,
very,
very
site
specific.
So
while
we
would
not
be
able
to
just
take
the
plans
and
translate
them
to
another
site
as
they
are,
we
there
are
some
value
to
the
process
that
we
have
done
so
far.
So
we
know
what
the
program
is.
We
know
what
the
basic
function
would
be,
so
it
does
require.
I
If
we
were
to
go
to
another
site,
we
would
have
to
go
all
the
way
back
to
those
basic
program,
portions
of
the
design
and
that's
what
the
4.7
million
is
is
demonstrating
that
we
have
basic
knowledge
of
the
functions.
We
know
what
needs
to
be
happening
where,
but,
as
we
bifurcate
this
campus,
we
would
also
have
to
consider
there
were
some
efficiencies
that
were
happening
in
the
master
plan,
and
so
we
would
have
to
consider
are
there
duplications
that
would
need
to
be
included?
I
What
isn't
being
provided
just
across
the
street
or
in
a
connected
facility?
So
we
would
unfortunately
not
be
able
to
just
take
the
existing
plans
that
have
been
prepared
and
and
translate
them
to
a
new
site.
B
And
as
you,
we
have
council,
member
gordon.
D
Yeah,
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
and
I
I
think
this
is
mostly
for
you,
barbara
and
you've
already
answered
some
of
this.
For
me,
I
think
we
were
just
met
separately.
I'm
curious
about
2600
minnehaha,
which
is
a
city-owned
piece
of
property
which
is
right
across
highway
55
from
this
site.
Basically,
what
could
fit
there?
I
understand
that
the
water
maintenance
facility
couldn't
could
the
training
center
fit
on
that
site.
For
example,
did
you
did
you
investigate
that
and
look
at
that
as
a
possibility.
D
I
So
we
have
considered
other
locations
that
would
allow
us
to
do
to
adjust
the
training
component,
but
part
of
the
part
of
the.
I
Magic
of
the
campus
is
that
the
training
facility
would
be
very
specific
about
the
jobs
that
they
were
hiring
and
so
having
it.
Part
of
this
campus
allows
that
sort
of
hands-on,
but
also
eyes
on
what
is
happening
and
what
are
the
jobs
that
we
are
actually
training
for
and
so
that
the
the
sort
of
efficiencies
so
go.
D
I
D
Did
we
look
at
it
to
see
if
it
could
fit
the
maintenance
facility
and
storage
components.
I
D
I
think
there
are
some
I
can't
I
can't
think
of
another
publicly
owned
piece
of
property,
but
I'll
just
note
as
a
council
member
for
ward
2,
that's
fairly
centrally,
located
in
fact
bumps
right
up
against
this
project,
there's
some
sites
that
might
be
really
ideal
and
some
places
where
this
could
be
located
and
we
could
make
it
work.
Well,
I'm
so
I'd
be
looking
into
that.
D
A
Chair
allison,
councilmember,
gordon
I'll,
say
if
barbara
on
this
this
one,
we
the
funding
plan
for
the
hiawatha
campus
expansion
and
the
training
facility,
is
kind
of
distributed
across
the
funds.
So
we
we
do
look
at
who's
benefiting
from
the
project
so
that
training
facility,
I
believe-
and
I
don't
have
the
sheet
in
front
of
me-
would
have
a
component
of
a
water
fund.
But
but,
as
a
share
of,
for
example,
fte
for
our
full-time
equivalent
positions
is
one
way.
D
Yes,
because,
okay,
that
makes
sense
it
does
seem
like
it
could
have
a
little
bit
of
a
broader
spectrum
there
and
we
could
even
end
up
training
people
who
wouldn't
necessarily
work
for
the
city,
but
maybe
that
wasn't
the
plan
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
I
appreciate
that
and
I
was
thinking
we
might
have
been
meeting
some
other
funds
besides.
Somebody
thanks
for
indulging
me.
B
Thank
you
councilmember
gordon.
We
have
council.
F
President,
oh
thanks,
mr
chair,
sorry,
I
was
on
a
different
window.
I
have
a
couple
questions.
I
wondered
if
the
communications
staff
could
go
back
to
the
slide,
that
says,
cost
comparisons,
and
I
did
my
first
question-
was
kind
of
in
line
with
what
council
member
gordon
was
just
asking.
This
is
a
very
sincere
question:
do
you
know
the
acreage
of
this
site
and
then
the
acreage
of
the
other
site
that
council
member
gordon
was
just
talking
about.
I
So
I
can
just
speak
really
briefly
to
that.
Council
president
bender,
the
so
if
we
were
talking
about
training
center
or
community
uses
that
site
that
council
member
gordon
was
referring
to,
does
have
some
possibilities.
Now
it
has
not
been
studied
at
length
or
or
done.
We
haven't
done
any
fit
plans
for
that
site
for
a
training
center,
but
it
does
have
possibilities.
A
F
J
Go
ahead,
oh
mr
chair
council
president,
just
to
give
you
some
background
on
2600
minnehaha,
which
is
council
member,
gordon
and
my
favorite
south
seward
property,
which
we
have
been
holding
for
generations.
Now
it's
about
an
acre
and
a
half.
It's
on
the
corner
of
minnehaha
26.
We've
made
multiple
attempts
to
find
a
use
for
it.
It
is
a
I'd,
say,
an
obsolete
size
for
industrial
buildings,
usually
they're
looking
for
about
a
minimum
of
five
acres
in
order
to
get
the
truck
movements
and
courts
and
and
be
able
to
have
a
manufacturing
facility.
J
When
we
planted
out
this
as
a
city
when
we
planted
out
this
area
when
we
bought
it,
it's
the
old
minneapolis
moline
area,
there
was
a
specific
user
identified
for
it,
which
fell
through,
of
course,
and
now
we're
being
sitting
on
it.
So
as
far
as
a
training
facility
we
haven't,
you
know,
the
property
service
has
been
working,
we've
been
working
with
private
services
around
it
and
not
necessarily
looking
at
it
specifically
for
the
training
center,
but
for
the
water
yard
itself.
You
know
we're.
J
We've
looked
at
five
acre
sites,
we've
done
a
site
search.
There
are
not
there's
one
three
and
a
half
acre
site
that
we
might
be
able
to
purchase.
However,
I
would
caution
the
council
to
do
that,
because
it
is
directly
north
of
the
upper
harbor
terminal
on
the
river
and
it
would
be
slated
for
park
land,
so
we'd
want
our
colleagues
in
the
minneapolis
park
and
recreation
board
to
pursue
that
property.
J
Otherwise,
5
acre
sites
premium
in
minneapolis
and
our
further
site
search
returns,
suburban
locations,
so
vadness
heights,
eagan,
the
brooklyns
and
and
st
paul.
So
if
we
want
to
go
over
to
saint
paul,
there's
one
there
too,
so
just
to
give
you
some
background.
F
F
F
A
Council
president
bender,
I
one
just
clarification
there
so
so
option
a
and
option
so
option
a
is,
is
to
move
forward
with
the
approved
site
plan.
Option
b
would
use
a
portion
of
the
roof
depot
property
for
and
and
would
include
items
that
are
approved
within
the
master
plan,
but
would
kind
of
carve
out
that
2.8
to
3
acre
corner
for
some
other
use,
both
options,
c1
and
c2.
A
I
would
just
describe
as
walking
away
from
the
roof
depot
property,
but-
and
this
is
just
something
that's
important-
I
think-
for
our
operations
making
some
of
the
improvements
to
the
current
site
to
the
our
operational
site.
Today,
the
office
expansion-
you
know-
hopefully
some
additional
bays.
You
know
some
parking
solution,
so
we
would
like
to
move
forward
with
those
items.
F
Okay,
that
was
what
I
originally
understood,
so
thank
you
for
clarifying.
Maybe
everyone
else
was
tracking
that
better.
If
we
do
not
have
a
new
stores
building,
which
I
see
is
not
included
in
the
costs
for
bc.
F
One
and
two
does
that
mean
we
just
would
not
be
building
a
new
stores
building
or
that
we
would
counsel
sort
of
separately.
I
I
So,
council,
president
bender,
we
would
have
to
do
modifications
to
an
existing
building
that
is
quite
aged
and
on
site,
but
we
do
hold
that
as
an
option
and
we
have
done
studies
and
some
preliminary
design
work
that
we
would
just
have
to
maintain.
The
current
location
and
we'd
have
to
do
upgrades
and
modifications
things
like
new
roof,
tuck
pointing
on
a
building.
That's
almost
80
years
old.
We
would
just
have
to
make
modernization
to
an
existing
facility
just
to
keep
stores
on
site.
F
So
are
these
capital
costs
paid
through
bonding
that
then
is
paid
back
through
water
fees
through
the
water
fund,
and
how
do
we
get
a
sense
of
how
that
would
work,
especially
in
any
scenario
where
we
have
to
be
paying
back
the
water
fund?
So
we
could
look
for
appropriate
sources
to
pay
that.
A
Back
chair,
elson
council,
president
bender,
so
the
12.3
million
dollars
of
project
budget
spent
to
date
is
from
all
come
from
the
water
fund
by
state
law.
You
must
use
utility
rate
from
that
enterprise
fund
for
the
for
the
purposes
of
of
that
utility.
So
if
we
were
to
walk
away,
the
12.3
million
dollars
would
need
to
be
replenished
in
the
water
fund.
I
don't
at
my
fingertips.
A
We
sometimes
will
use
cash
balance
versus
bonding
out
of
the
water
fund,
but
it
certainly
was
programmed
in
their
capital
budget
and
it
has
been
the
single
source
to
date,
just
to
maybe
explain
why
that
is.
We
have
a
capital
program
and
if
you,
if
you
look
in
the
city's
capital,
a
long-range
five
or
six
year
plan
you'll
see
this
project
with
other
sources
coming
in
from
the
other
users.
A
F
A
Yes,
there
is
a
chance,
we
sold
bonds,
but
we
certainly
are
paying
them
back
with
water
funds.
G
Great
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
four
four
questions
and
the
last
one
is
more
of
a
technical,
technical
question
for
the
clerk's
team
in
terms
of
how
we
can
be
sure
to
refer
this
discussion
to
the
august
18th
pogo
meeting,
because
we
do
want
to
take
a
vote,
we
would
like
to
to
be
able
to
set
some
direction
for
city
staff,
and
we
know
that
today's
meeting
is
not
meant
for
that.
So
my
first
question
is
likely
for
cpad,
but
maybe
also
barbara.
G
We
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
sort
of
the
sequence
of
votes
that
would
need
to
be
taken
or
or
decisions,
because
some
of
these
may
not
be
strict
votes,
so
one
thing
would
be:
you
know,
suspending
the
project
expansion
in
east
phillips,
which
would
then
free
up
city
staff
to
take
up
the
full
conversation
in
a
very
clear
way
and
start
to
sketch
out
more
specifics
about
how
the
city
can
move
forward
with
its
fulfilling
its
its
water
services
needs.
G
And
so
we
had
imagined
a
six-month
sort
of
holding
window
for
starters,
and
I
don't
quite
remember
if
we
got
a
number
on
that,
meaning
that
we
had
talked
about
keeping
the
current
property
on
the
city's
building
ownership
portfolio,
which
requires
some
maintenance.
You
know
looking
at
sort
of
the
the
next
six
months.
Do
we
have
an
estimate
of
how
much
that
would
be
for
holding
costs
and
maintenance
costs.
J
So,
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
an
asterisk,
it's
an
it's!
It
depends
if
we
we
could
have
very
limited
costs
of
holding
it
for
six
months.
You
know
if
we
don't
have
a
decision
from
the
council
and
the
mayor
about
what
to
do
with
it.
If
it's
just
like
we're,
still
going
to
deliberate
and
see
what
we're
going
to
do.
J
If
the
council
is
interested
in
preserving
the
building
for
some
sort
of
redevelopment
purposes,
our
recommendation
would
be
to
start
to
do
some
analysis
about
what
would
be
needed
to
stabilize
the
building
as
we've
as
I
shared
earlier,
that
this
is
a
building.
That's
been
managed
for
demolition,
not
renovation,
and
so
things
have
been
taken
out
like
heating
and
electrical
work,
and
you
know
we're
not
worried
about
water
coming
in
or
air
or
any
of
the
other
elements,
and
so
as
the
building
deteriorates.
J
You
know
it
gets
more
expensive
to
try
and
bring
it
back,
and
so
that
estimate,
if
you
do
that,
is
somewhere
around
four
million
dollars,
but
we'd
have
to
go
through.
You
know
full
evaluation,
it's
just
kind
of
a
back
the
envelope
right
now
about
what
we
think,
but
that
gives
you
a
ballpark,
so
there'd
be
some
cost
to
that
at
structural
assessment.
You
know
this
range
depending
on
how
difficult
it
is.
You
know
from
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
you
know
six
figures.
J
J
So
we
would
need
security
and
some
other
maintenance
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
monitoring
the
building
we
don't
want
to
have
what's
happened
in
the
past,
where
we
bring
in
a
building
into
the
redevelopment
authority
and
also
it
bursts
into
flames.
So
we
would
have
to
bring
in
a
contractor
to
do
that
and
and
and
that
would
cost
you
know
it
depends
on
the
level
of
service.
J
We
would
have
to
evaluate
that.
So
there's
there's
a
cost
to
that
as
well.
So
we
it's
it's
it's
some
money,
we're
thinking
it's
at
least
six
figures,
but
it
could
be
seven
figures
when
you
were
talking
about
stabilization
of
the
building.
While
we
work
through
the
development
process,
this
is
a
long
process,
as
you
would
imagine
to
redevelop
the
building
and
it's
going
to
have
some
significant
costs
to
just
just
holding
it.
Buildings
require
care
and
feeding,
always.
G
Yep
yep
understood
thank
you,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
my
colleagues
got
to
hear
that,
because
our
staff
direction
does
include
you
know,
holding
the
building
until
the
community
can
buy
it,
and
so
that
leads
to
my
next
question.
We
had
talked
about
how
much
money
the
community
would
need
to
raise,
to
be
able
to
purchase
the
site,
the
building
and-
and
I
guess,
make
make
us
whole
in
terms
of
the
water
fund,
costs
or
investments
that
the
city
has
put
into
its
own
project.
G
So,
just
to
be
clear,
we
could
maybe
say
the
community
might
have
exclusive
development
rights
for
the
next
six
months
and
they
would.
They
would
be
expected
to
raise
12.3
million
dollars
to
fill
that
gap.
Correct.
J
Mr
chair
council,
member
cono,
so
again
I
know
this
is
probably
not
helpful,
but
it
again
that's.
It
depends
as
well.
So
we
work
with
our
finance
with
the
finance
department
and
property
services
and
public
works.
J
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
it
in
a
more
of
a
holistic
way,
there's
not
only
the
water
funds
and
whatever
requirements
we
have
as
a
city
to
replenish
that
spent
that
special
fund,
but
there's
also
the
development
so,
like
I
talked
about
earlier
in
my
presentation.
If
this
is
a
redevelopment
and
we
use
our
redevelopment
purposes,
we
we
don't
usually
sell
it
until
all
of
the
financing
is
in
place
to
do
the
project.
J
So
the
end
project,
and
so
the
funding
that
has
to
be
raised,
is
going
to
be
dependent
on
what
kind
of
project
they
want
to
the
the
developer
would
want
to
propose.
So
if
it's
just
reusing
the
building
and
putting
in
like
industrial
uses,
you
know
like
an
indoor
farm
of
some
sort
or
what
have
you
that
will
be
a
lot,
a
lot
less
expensive
and
would
need
a
lot
fewer
resources
than
if,
if
you're
to
add
in
elements
like
a
you
know,
housing
on
you
know
the.
J
I
think
it
was
the
west
side
of
the
building
and
some
other
uses
and
and
that
gets
more
complicated.
You
know
we
have
requirements
around
affordable
housing.
We
have
requirements
around,
you
know
the
building,
new
emerging
requirements
about
building
efficiencies
and
green
building
techniques,
and
and
those
will
have
some
cost
implications-
the
city's
typically
looking
at
billing
gaps
when
we
invest
in
buildings.
J
So
it's
it's
what
what
the
market
could
bear
as
far
as
financing,
and
we
expect,
as
with
most
of
the
buildings,
that
we're
involved
in
there's,
going
to
be
some
sort
of
financial
gap,
a
financial
equity
gap
that
the
private
market
won't
hold
a
building
of
this
size
almost
definitely
requires
other
funding
from
maybe
you
know,
county
sources
or
state
sources
that
cost
time.
So
it's
hard
for
me
to
put
a
number
on
how
much
they
have
to
raise
the
12
point.
Whatever
million
dollars
is.
G
Yep-
okay,
good
great,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
flagging
that
that
that
money
to
be
raised,
because
I
do
think
that
other
governments
and
the
community
want
a
more
clear
parameter
of
both
a
timeline
and
a
cost
that
they
can
fundraise
against,
and
without
that
it's
really
hard
for
them
to
say.
Okay,
we're
going
to
raise
30
million
dollars
or
our
job
is
to
raise
12.3
million
dollars.
G
So
the
more
clear
we
can
be
in
guiding
that
conversation,
I
think
the
better
staff
direction
we'll
be
able
to
have,
but,
but
I
know
we
have
time
to
kind
of
dig
into
that
and
then
my
last
question
before
the
technical
question
that
maybe
the
chair
of
the
committee
can
also
help
answer.
Is
we
have
talked
about
the
time
frame
that
the
city
would
have
to
pay
itself
back
and
the
other
users
of
the
water
fund
or
contributors
to
the
water
fund,
or
perhaps
both
and
we
had.
G
We
had
talked
about
how
the
city
attorney's
office
had
defined
that,
as
like
the
soonest
available
time
to
pay
the
water
fund
back
is
sort
of
the
time
frame.
We've
been
given
just
curious
if
city
staff
have
a
more
concrete
definition
of
that
soonest
available
time
within
12
months,
soonest
available
time
within
three
years.
G
It's
it's
just
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
area
right
now
and
and
again,
if
we
can
be
more
clear
about
here's,
the
time
frame
that
we
need
to
get
these
things
done
by
it'll
send
a
really
clear
message
to
hennepin
county
to
the
states
who
both
have
been
engaged
in
these
conversations
with
with
the
city.
G
I
I
remember
all
of
the
letters
and
transmittals
that
we've
received
from
the
congressional
minneapolis
delegation
to
all
of
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
asking
us
to
take
action
on
this
project,
and
we
know
that
you
know
the
commissioner
for
our
area
has
been
engaged.
Commissioner
conley,
we
know
that
the
community
group
has
requested
a
meeting
with
lieutenant
governor
peggy
flanagan
to
request
funding
and
support
for
this
project.
G
Other
governments,
as
I've
mentioned
any
gofundme
or
or
give
givement
pages
or
any
social
crowd-facing
fundraising
that
might
happen,
would
need
to
be
able
to
raise
money
against
a
clear
deadline
and
against
a
clear
cost.
So
do
we
do
we
have
the
city
attorneys
here
who
might
be
able
to
define
that
better
or
if
gushani?
If
you
have
a
more
clear
definition
of
that,
that
would
be
great.
B
And
and
real
real,
quick
cousin
ricano,
I
know
some
folks
are
are
curious
about
the
content
of
the
staff
direction,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
had
that
prepared
today.
I
know
it's
not
coming
forward
today,
but
if
you
have
that
today,
if
you
do
good
colleagues,
that'd
be
that'd
be
great,
if
not
just
maybe
give
a
quick
synopsis
of
what
what
the
state
direction
women
tell.
B
But
we,
but
first
we
could
take
your
question.
Sorry
go
ahead.
K
I
I
I
might
attempt
to
step
into
the
silence
here:
eric
nilson
deputy
city
attorney
civil
division.
I
will
certainly
defer
to
others
in
this
area
or
our
financial
experts
in
particular.
But
yes,
the
city
attorney's
office
has
looked
at
at
this
question.
There
isn't
a
bright
line.
Answer
you're
not
going
to
find
one.
It's.
K
The
law
is
very
clear
that
the
the
the
purposes
for
which
monies
from
an
enterprise
fund
a
special
fund
like
the
waterworks
fund,
can
be
used
for
and,
by
that
same
token,
as
the
the
money
must
be
repaid
into
the
fund.
This
is
one
of
those
areas
of
of
risk
exposure,
liability,
exposure.
The
longer
you
wait
each
day
you
wait
each
week
you
wait
each
month,
you
wait
to
repay
the
fund,
the
greater
your
your
potential
liability
exposure
and
that
could
come
from
a
variety
of
sources.
K
I
think
the
primary
supporters,
in
light
of
the
fact
that
our
water
fund
or
our
water
has
non-city
customers.
I
believe
there
are
at
least
six
or
seven
suburban
jurisdictions,
as
well
as
institutional
uses
like
the
mac
and
the
university
of
minnesota
that
buy
water
from
us.
One
of
the
major
potential
areas
of
exposure
is
this
would
be
a
lawsuit
from
them
for
misuse
of
the
water
fund.
K
The
the
you
know,
essentially
with
with
not
repaying
that
there
is
the
potential
for
that
debt
to
accrue
additional
interest,
and
then
you
know
the
suburban
water,
customers
and
other
non-city
customers
could
have
a
claim
that
we're
essentially
asking
them
to
sort
of
subsidize
that
debt
by
our
continuing
failure
to
repay
it
yeah.
If
there's
a
comparison,
it's
rudimentary,
but
it
might
be
a
you
know,
a
like
a
ratepayer
suit
against
a
utility
for
misuse
of
of
their
funds
and
those
are
typically
at
the
public
utilities
commission.
K
So
it
is
it's
one
of
those
questions
the
longer
the
longer
it's
not
repaid
the
greater
the
exposure
and
that
just
incrementally
and
exponentially
increases
as
time
goes
on,
but
we're
not
going
to
to
get
a
a
bright
line
answer.
I
don't
believe
so
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
anything
to
add
on
that.
I
hope
that
is
somewhat
helpful.
G
Yeah
very
helpful.
No,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
and
then
the
last
question
might
be
for
the
chair
or
for
the
city
clerks.
We
were
told
that
you
know.
G
Kyle
is
not
where
we
take
votes
on
on
issues,
and
we
had
some
internal
debate
about
that,
because
it
seemed
a
little
confusing,
but
we
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
legislative
process
that
the
chair
wants
to
follow
here,
and
so
we
were
told
that
any
future
action
would
have
to
be
referred
to
another
committee,
and
it
would
be
great
to
just
have
clarity
about
how
we
plan
to
do
that
today
and
just
be
able
to
have
a
another
full
discussion
on
this
conversation
in
on
this
topic
in
the
future.
B
Right,
yes,
thank
you
for
the
question.
We
have
two
discussion
items
today.
This
is
the
first
one.
The
next
discussion
item
is
is
regarding
the
eaw.
I
believe
that
yes,
staff
will
be
coming
forward
to
to
give
a
presentation
on
that
discussion
item
here
at
cal.
We
do
receive
in
files
that
we
don't
take
action
on
items
so
at
this
first
presentation
is
simply
a
receiving
file.
The
second
presentation
referred
to
that's
item
number
two
will
be
referred
to
its
appropriate
committee.
B
I
believe
today
we're
gonna
be
referring
it
to
the
pogo
committee.
I'm
happy
to
make
that
motion
at
the
end
of
of
discussion
on
item
number
two,
but
others
are
welcome
to
make
that
motion
as
well,
and
I
believe
that
all
the
appropriate
chairs
have
been
talked
to
you
know.
B
Anybody
can
speak
up
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
and-
and
I
believe
we're
gonna-
be
referring
this
to
pogo,
despite
the
fact
that
the
original
eaw
discussion
happened
at
biz
committee
I'll
I'll,
have
you
know
the
clerks
can
correct
me
if
I'm,
if
I'm
wrong
on
that?
So
so?
B
Yes,
so
at
the
end,
so
we're
still
in
discussion
number
one
discussion
for
item
number
one
and
when
we
wrap
discussion
here,
we'll
we'll
start
item
number
two
and
then
we'll
when
we
wrap
this
question
there
I'll
I'll
refer
to
the
item
to
poke
for
future
action.
Does
that
make
sense.
E
Thank
you,
chair
ellison,
and
I
I'm
thinking
that
I
know
the
answer
to
this
question,
but
I
guess
has
there
been,
do
we
have
an
option
for
re?
I'm
sorry,
sort
of
updating
the
flitley
facility
is
that
option.
C1.
A
Council
vice
president,
you
option
c
one
would
be
to
relocate
the
water
distribution
functions
from
east
hennepin
to
ridley.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
very
much
appreciate
the
presentations
given
in
the
discussion.
I
think
some
of
this
information
we've
reviewed,
but
I
think
there's
certain
elements
of
it
that
we've
gotten
a
little
more
in
depth
on
and
perhaps
clarifying.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
a
few
things
one.
It
was
great
to
have
someone
ask
the
question
regarding
some
of
the
operations
more
in
depth.
L
L
Even
this
old
one,
that's
surrounded
by
three
cul-de-sacs
and
that
certainly
must
have
some
impact
on
one
of
those
slowest
response
rates
based
on
its
location
and
station
11,
with
its
access
to
east,
hennepin
and
and
the
other
major
artillery
roads
would
definitely
increase
our
capacity
to
respond
in
one
of
the
most
significantly
growing
parts
of
the
city,
if
not
the
metro
and
the
need
to
have
that
capacity
for
our
citizens
in
that
development.
L
The
other
is
the
fridley
water
area
right
now,
much
of
our
dollars
to
that
site
have
been
for
modernization,
improvements
all
very
needed
for
our
water,
but
the
other
has
been
for
capacity
capacity
for
redundancy
of
our
water
supply,
not
only
for
us
and
our
multiple
customers,
suburban
customers,
but
in
terms
of
the
long-term
goal
of
having
redundancy
between
the
two
cities,
the
two
main
cities,
saint
paul
and
minneapolis.
L
Moving
forward
with
climate
change,
I
can
only
imagine
that
our
need
for
redundancy
and
capacity
are
only
going
to
increase,
so
there
are
some
trade-offs
that
we
probably
can't
talk
about
too
much
today,
because
we
haven't
done
any
analysis
of
those
trade-offs,
but
they
are
there
present
that
we
will
have
to
probably
in
future
discussions
if
we
pursue
these
inquiries,
we'll
have
to
come
to
terms
with,
and
so
when
director
jelly
says
we
may
be
able
to
fit
it
on
the
site
without
any
additional
acquisition.
L
L
L
So
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarification
on
that
general
question
about
how
we
would
move
forward
in
terms
of
scrutiny
to
any
exclusive
proposal
by
by
way
of
policy
guidance.
J
Yes,
mr
chair
councilmember
reich,
so
it's
it
develop.
Redevelopment
is
an
iterative
process,
but
ultimately
the
city
is
paying
for
the
outcome
and
whether
we
do
it
competitively
or
through
a
direct,
you
know,
engagement
with
with
a
buyer.
J
We
would
have
to
make
sure
that
we
have
assurances
that
they
can
perform,
and
so
you
know
what
are
those
public
benefits
based
on
the
development
objectives
that
have
been
created.
You
know,
is
the
outcome.
Shelter
is
the
outcome,
jobs
is
the
outcome.
You
know,
contamination
cleanup
is
the
outcome.
You
know
entrepreneurial
development
or
other
public
benefits
that
we
might
get.
You
know
associated
green
space
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so
we
work
as
a
staff
team
over
time
and
that's
why
I
caution.
J
You
know
the
the
the
council
and
the
mayor
that
you
know
redevelopments
are
usually
marked
in
decades,
not
decades
years
and
decades.
Not
you
know,
weeks
and
months,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
that
there
is
some
sound
fundamentals
around
it
and
there's
the
capital
pursuit
for
developments
is
a
long.
J
It's
a
laborious
process,
whether
it's
a
small
building,
we're
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
redevelopment
of
927
west
broadway,
which
is
a
building
we
purchased
around
2010
and
took
about
10
years
to
get
that
out
through
the
city
council
process.
J
J
Our
city
attorneys
any
environmental
review
we
would
have
to
perform
with
our
colleagues
in
development
services
and
then
our
professional
staff
and
and
typically
in
business
development
would
review
it
and
we
would
bring
it
to
the
city
council
with
our
professional
recommendation
and
then
you
would,
you
would
would
approve
or
deny
the
term
sheet
and
then
that
term
sheet
would
establish
how
we
would
write
a
redevelopment
contract
and
the
redevelopment
contract
is
really
the
the
document
that
we
use
to
codify
the
relationship
on
what
we
want
to
see
happen,
the
minimum
improvements
and
the
contracting
requirements
and
the
participation
from
you
know
mbes
or
wbs
in
the
in
the
development
jobs
after
the
fact
housing
units,
you
know,
affordability
levels,
all
those
sort
of
things
would
be
in
that
redevelopment
contract
and
then
what
conditions
have
to
be
present
before
we
will
dispose
of
the
land.
J
So,
like
I
said
before,
you
know
we
we
could
give
exclusive
development
rights,
but
we
we
never.
We
rarely
s,
we
don't
sell
the
property
until
everything's,
locked
and
loaded,
so
to
speak
for
the
development.
So
all
the
financing's
in
place
to
do
those
minimum
improvements
and
that's
when
we
transfer
the
land
or
in
some
cases
and
is
merging,
maybe
just
lease
the
land
in
the
long
term.
So
it's
it's
iterative.
It
takes
time.
J
There
are
checks
and
balances.
The
city
council
makes
makes
decisions
about
exclusive
rights
about
the
competitive
process
and
ultimately,
who
we
sell
or
lease
the
property
to
so
there's,
there's
there's
a
number
of
opportunities
for
the
city
council
to
open
on
the
process.
D
Thank
you
and
I
don't
have
any
questions.
I
just
thought
briefly.
I
could
maybe
show
my
hand
or
share
my
view
of
the
whole
situation
right
now,
where
we're
all
together.
I
know
that
the
staff
direction
isn't
really
necessarily
ready
to
share,
but
I'm
convinced
that
option
a
is
not
something
we
should
continue
pursuing.
D
C2,
I
think,
is
probably
what
we
need
to
pursue
and
move
forward
on
and
as
we're
contemplating
a
kind
of
staff
direction,
and
the
next
step
to
take
at
pogo
I'll,
be
focusing
in
on
how
we
can
make
that
work
for
us.
I
know
this
is
very
difficult.
D
I
think
there's
been
some
missteps
along
the
way
and
we've
got
ourselves
in
a
challenging
situation,
but
I
think
that's
the
path
to
pursue,
and
one
of
the
things
that's
really
important
to
me
is
that
we
get
going
on
building
the
new
facility
for
our
employees,
so
I'll
be
very
interested
in
the
alternative
that
is
going
to
be
the
smoothest
and
the
quickest
and
that
we
can
get
going
on
the
fastest
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
facility
for
our
employees
in
the
city,
and
so
we
can
provide
safe
water
services
for
all
the
residents
and
businesses
in
minneapolis
and
those
in
the
surrounding
suburbs
that
we
also
serve
with
our
water
system.
B
B
Great,
I'm
not
seeing
anything
so
with
that
and
seeing
no
further
discussion,
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
file
that
report.
B
The
second
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
presentation
on
the
environmental
assessment
worksheet
for
the
hiawatha
maintenance
facility
expansion.
I
will
invite
hillary
dvorak
principal
city
planner,
to
introduce
this
item.
M
I'm
looking
at
my
clock
good
morning
still
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
hillary
devorak,
I'm
a
principal
planner
in
cped
land
use,
design
and
preservation,
and
I'm
here
to
introduce
or
go
through
the
presentation
that
was
presented
at
a
biz
committee
meeting
on
may
4th
of
this
year
for
the
environmental
assessment
worksheet
for
the
high
wealth
maintenance
facility
expansion
project
next
slide.
Please.
M
M
M
So
what
is
an
eawm?
The
eaw
does
not
approve
or
deny
a
project,
but
instead
it
acts
as
a
source
of
information
to
guide
other
approvals
and
permitting
decisions.
The
ew
is
a
brief
document
designed
to
lay
out
the
basic
facts
of
a
project
necessary
to
determine
if
an
environmental
impact
statement
is
required
for
a
proposed
project.
M
The
aw
form
consists
of
20
questions
that
provide
the
information
needed
to
determine
if
the
project
will
have
significant
environmental
impacts.
In
addition
to
the
legal
purpose
of
the
eaw
in
determining
the
need
for
an
eis,
the
aw
also
provides
permanent
information,
informs
the
public
about
the
project
and
helps
identify
ways
to
protect
the
environment
next
slide.
Please.
M
So
when
determining
whether
an
environmental
review
is
needed
or
not,
there
are
thresholds,
minimum
thresholds
that
are
need
to
be
met.
The
proposed
expansion
does
not
fall
under
either
the
mandatory
eaw
or
eis
categories,
as
it
is
for
an
expansion
in
an
existing
industrial
use
that
is
328
thousand
square
feet
in
size.
M
M
M
M
In
february
of
2011
february,
9th
of
20
2011
excuse
me,
2021
city
staff
distributed
the
eaw
to
the
official
eqb
mailing
list
and
it
was
published
in
the
ecobee
monitor
for
a
30-day
comment
period
in
march
of
2021,
the
city
granted
a
request
to
extend
the
30-day
comment
period
for
an
additional
two
weeks
until
march
25th
on
that
date.
The
public
comment
period
closed
in
april,
then
of
this
year.
M
We
did
post
upon
the
decision
on
the
need
for
an
eis
for
an
additional
30
days
until
may
24th,
and
I
do
want
to
point
out.
One
update
that
I
should
have
made
to
this
presentation
is
that
in
may
of
21
following
the
biz
committee
outcome,
we
did
delay
the
rgu
decision
on
the
need
for
an
eis
until
august
31st
of
2021
next
slide.
M
Please.
During
the
public
comment
period,
we
did
receive
six
agency
comment
letters,
six,
non-profit,
neighborhood
organization,
comment
letters
and
then
over
1050
comment
letters
from
the
public,
and
I
can
say
that
I
have
probably
forwarded
an
additional
200
comment.
Letters
to
the
council
just
this
week
for
this
presentation
next
slide.
Please
so
criter
criteria
by
which
potential
impacts
must
be
evaluated
so
in
deciding
whether
project
has
the
potential
for
significant
environmental
effects
and
whether
an
environmental
impact
statement
is
needed.
M
The
environmental
effects
identified
in
the
petition
are
visual
localized
and
can
be
mitigated
through
the
city's
existing
formal
development
review
process.
This
process
captures
and
evaluates
development
proposals
not
only
from
a
planning
perspective,
but
also
includes
evaluations
by
the
public
works
department,
construction
code
services
and
the
various
utility
companies.
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
city's
development
review
process
is
comprehensively
administered
by
city
staff
and
implemented
by
experienced
commissions
and
the
city
council
next
slide.
Please
criterion
4
extent
to
which
environmental
effects
can
be
anticipated
and
controlled
as
a
result
of
other
environmental
studies
undertaken
by
public
agencies
or
the
project
proposer,
including
other
eis.
M
M
Next
slide,
the
recommendation,
which
I
understand
you
cannot
make
today
or
take
action
on
today,
but
our
recommendation
moving
forward
is
to
approve
the
adequacy
of
the
environmental
assessment
worksheet
for
the
proposed
hiawatha
maintenance
facility
expansion
approve
the
determination
that
environmental
impact
statement
is
not
required
and
adopt.
The
findings
of
fact
is
prepared
by
the
department
of
community
planning
and
economic
development.
M
B
B
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
questions
or
is
there
any.
B
This
all
right,
I'm
not
seeing
any
from
my
colleagues
and
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
you
know
this
item
still
requires
action,
but
we
only
receive
presentations
here
at
the
committee
of
the
whole
and
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
refer
this
item
to
the
next
pogo
committee.
That's
wednesday
august
18th.
B
I'm
wrong
all
right.
I
must
have
it
right
so
so
on
my
motion
to
refer
this
to
wednesday
august
18th.
Meeting
of
the
pogo
committee
is
before
us
and
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the.
A
B
C
Right
with
that,
council
member
right.
M
D
D
H
C
M
E
B
B
And
that
item
is
referred
so.
Lastly,
we
have.
We
have
the
reports
of
our
standing
committees
to
be
considered
at
the
full
council
this
friday
and
we
will
begin
with
the
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee
chair
by
council
member
goodman.
N
Good
afternoon
everyone
we
will
be
bringing
13
items
through
biz
tomorrow
for
approval
item
number.
One
is
o'shaughnessy
distilling
as
part
of
malcolm
yards
item.
Two
is
a
number
of
land
sales
and
financing
awards
for
our
missing
middle
rental
pilot
program.
Item
three:
is
the
land,
sale
and
financing
agreement
for
628
east
franklin
item
number.
Four:
is
this
of
an
appeal
actually
liz
wilinsky
for
a
property
at
2648
marshall
street
northeast?
We
have
voted
and
committee
to
grant
the
appeal
item.
Number
five
are
liquor,
license
approvals
and
item
six
are
liquor
license
renewals,
seven?
N
Are
the
gambling
license
approvals?
Eight?
Is
the
afford
an
affordable
housing
trust
fund?
Contingency
pool
loan
item
number
nine,
our
contracts
with
the
city
of
lakes,
community
land,
trust
for
our
minneapolis
homes,
financing
program
item
10
is
a
comp
plan
amendment
with
regard
to
built
form
guidance
at
3225,
east
minnehaha,
parkway
item
11
is
another
commercial
property
development
fund
loan
for
a
rectangle
pizza
at
701
lake
street
and
item
number
12
is
a
multi-jurisdictional
agreement
for
35th
and
penn
avenue
north.
B
E
Thank
you
to
ellison
the
policy
and
government
oversight
committee
will
be
bringing
forward
11
items.
I
know
number
one
is
the
resolution
accepting
the
second
quarter,
20
or
2021
donations
item
number
two
authorizes
the
submit
to
submittal
of
a
grant
application
to
the
national
endowment
for
the
arts
item
number
three:
is
a
contract
with
m
arthur
ginsler
and
associates
inc
and
number
four
authorizes:
a
revenue
contract
with
the
regents
of
the
university
of
minnesota
items?
Five
through
nine
are
legal
settlements
and
council.
E
President
vinder
indicated
that
at
our
committee
meeting
the
the
context
for
those
legal
settlements
and
number
10
is
the
resolution
adopting
title
and
ballot
language
for
the
proposed
government
structure,
charter.
Amendment
and
item
number
11
is
resolutions
and
ordinances
adopting
the
title
and
valid
language
related
to
the
rent
stabilization
charter
amendment
and
I
will
be
willing
to
stand
for
questions.
O
Chair
ellison,
this
is
ken
taylor
from
the
clerk's
office.
I
just
noticed,
as
vice
president
jenkins
was
reading
her
report,
that
we
made
a
slight
error
in
the
report
we
sent
to
her,
which
is
just
a
copy
and
paste
error,
but
the
government
structure
charter
amendment
is
actually
still
in
committee
and
will
not
be
forwarded
to
council
tomorrow.
So
that
was
an
error
on
our
script
to
you,
council
member
jenkins.
So
I
apologize
that
and
then
it
was
also
missing.
O
The
added
audit
committee
appointment
that
was
walked
on
by
council
member
palmison
also
just
wanted
to
make
that
correction
on
the
record.
B
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that
and
those
things
will
be
corrected
for
the
council
meeting
tomorrow.
O
Yes,
they're
already
on
the
published
agenda
in
the
correct
format,
so
it
was
just
a
copy
and
paste
error
and
what
we
sent
to
the
vice
president
this
morning.
Well.
B
Thank
you
for
that
clarification.
Did
you
have
any
questions
council
vice
president.
E
No,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thanks
to
the
clerk
for
acknowledging
and
recognizing
that
era,
and
I
apologize
to
my
colleagues
and
to
the
public
for
sharing
that
information.
B
Well,
thank
you
both
and
I'm
not
seeing
any
questions
from
colleagues
regarding
the
community
report,
so
we
will
move
to
the
public
health
and
safety
goodbye,
councilmember,
cunningham,.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
public
health
and
safety
committee
is
bringing
forward
11
items
for
approval
on
friday
tomorrow.
The
first
is
accepting
a
grant
from
the
us
department
of
health
and
human
services
and
the
cdc
in
the
amount
of
550
thousand
dollars
for
improving
the
health
of
african
americans,
east
african
and
american
indians
in
minneapolis
through
housing
and
agency-based
strategies.
Item
number
two
is
authorizing
an
extension
of
a
contract
with
the
minnesota
pollution
control
agency
for
services
associated
with
the
department's.
H
The
health
department's
healthy
nail
salon
initiative.
Item
number
three
is
accepting
a
grant
from
hennepin
county
services
and
public
health
department,
an
amount
not
to
exceed
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
work
with
young
people
between
the
ages
of
12
and
19
with
elevated
needs
which,
in
edison
henry
roosevelt
and
south
high
schools.
This
is
related
to
a
health
mentor
model
project.
H
Item
number
four
is
authorizing
an
mou
to
delineate
responsibilities
and
regarding
cooperation,
I'm
sorry
let
me
try
that
again
authorizing
an
mou
with
some
academy
regarding
cooperation
in
addressing
campus
assaults.
Sexual
assaults.
This
is
just
and
to
be
in
coordinates
with,
in
accordance
with
state
law.
Item
number
five
is
authorizing
a
partner
sub-agreement
with
the
sexual
violence
center
for
240
000
for
victim
advocate
services
as
related
to
the
2020
sexual
assault
kit
initiative.
H
Item
number
six
is
authorizing
a
contract
with
mps
in
the
health
department
in
the
amount
of
sixty
thousand
dollars
annually
to
provide
mental
health
services
to
henry
south
southwest
and
washburn
high
schools.
Item
number
seven
is
accepting
the
court
drug
drug
court
grant
from
the
fourth
judicial
district
of
minnesota
the
amount
of
eighty
six
thousand
dollars
to
provide
a
police
liaison
research
and
monitoring
support
for
drug
court
in
hennepin
county
item
number.
Eight
is
accepting
an
additional
two
hundred.
H
Ninety
eight
thousand
around
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
emergency
preparedness
funds
from
the
health
department,
and
that
is
to
provide
measurable
and
sustained
progress
in
the
implementation
and
execution
of
public
health,
emergency
preparedness
and
response
capabilities.
Item
number
nine
is
authorizing
a
contract
for
patient
financial
engagement
services
related
to
the
minneapolis
school-based
clinics.
Item
number:
nine
is
authorizing
the
health
department
to
enter
into
an
mou
with
the
minnesota
department
of
health
for
participation
in
the
340b
drug
discount
program
and
item
number.
H
11
is
passage
of
a
resolution
waiving
attorney
client
privilege
on
the
legal
memo.
That's
titled
charter
authority
of
mayor
and
city
council
regarding
police
department,
less
meaningful,
less
lethal
munitions
resolution
by
city
council.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
to
the
best
of
my
ability,
mr
chair.
Thank
you.
B
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
committee
will
be
forwarding
21
items
for
council
consideration
item.
One
is
the
snow
and
ice
removal
from
public
sidewalks
assessment
items.
Two
through
six
are
various
event
permits
item.
Seven
is
the
downtown
business
improvement,
special
service
district
2022
proposed
services
and
service
charges.
L
Eight
is
the
land
exchange
with
anoka
county
for
minneapolis
water
treatment
campus
in
fridley.
Nine
is
the
easement
agreement
from
burlington
northern
santa
fe
railroad
for
a
portion
of
right
of
way
within
the
irving
avenue
between
laurel
avenue,
west
and
curry.
Avenue
10
is
the
agreement
with
bit
nlg
3
investors
for
the
5th
street
north
bridge
adjacent
to
proposed
north
loop,
green
3
development
item.
11
is
agreement
with
hennepin
county
for
grand
avenue
street
reconstruction
project.
L
L
17
is
the
grant
from
the
state
of
minnesota
for
the
central
city.
Parallel
storm
tunnel
construction
project
18
through
20,
are
various
bids
again
for
activities
of
the
department
and
item
21
was
an
obstruction
permit
fees
and
resolution
designating
those
fee
schedules,
mr
chair
I'll,
stand
for
questions
as
needed.
All.