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A
Good
morning,
the
regular
meeting
of
the
central
avenue
special
service
district
advisory
board
will
now
begin.
My
name
is
michael
mclaughlin
I'll,
be
facilitating
this
meeting
of
the
central
avenue
special
service
district
advisory
board.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minister
of
statute,
section
13.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic,
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum
board
members.
A
When
I
say
your
name,
please
indicate
if
you
are
present
catherine.
A
John
lesario
president,
linda
mcdonald,
not
present
yeah
scott
president
evan
president
patty
present
and
joe.
C
A
You
I
will
also
note
that
I'm
joined
by
andrew
carlson
and
david
bauer
with
public
works
other
members
of
the
special
service
district
project
team.
With
that
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
as
the
adoption
of
the
agenda
and,
if
desired,
we
can
also
in
one
motion,
accept
the
minutes
to
the
prior
meeting,
which
was
may
27th
of
last
year.
Are
there
any
changes
to
either
the
draft
agenda
or
the
minutes?
B
A
Catherine,
thank
you.
Is
there
a
second
I'll
second,
that
thank
you
any
further
discussion
on
that.
I
will
call
the
role
on
the
motion
to
adopt
the
draft
agenda
and
adopt
the
minutes
to
the
may
27th
meeting
on
the
motion.
Catherine,
we're
voting
very
good.
Thank
you.
John
higgins.
E
A
Okay
moment
very
good,
the
agenda
is
adopted
and
the
minutes
are
approved.
Thank
you.
Next,
on
the
agenda
is
the
public
comma
period.
I
will
note
that
at
this
point
we
have
not
been
joined
by
any
members
of
the
public.
We
will
table
that
agenda
item
until
the
end
of
the
meeting
should
we
be
joined
by
anybody
and
if
they
would
like
to
address
the
group
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
the
discussion
items
first
up
is
the
2021
annual
report.
A
Again,
this
is
the
recap
of
everything
that
the
group
did
last
year
and
just
to
hit
some
highlights.
We
did
have
almost
41
inches
of
snow,
the
landscape
maintenance,
including
watering
of
the
trees
and
the
maintenance
of
all
the
sidewalk
planters.
A
We
emptied
the
public
trash
and
recycling
receptacles
and
performed
the
pan
and
broom.
So
we
emptied
518
banks
of
trash
from
the
district's
district
maintain
trash
receptacles,
which
there
are
you
have
other
trash
receptacles
in
your
district,
so
more
trash
than
that
was
emptied
out
of
your
trash
receptacles,
but
the
receptacles
that
we
track.
That's
the
count
and
there
were
over
1100
bags
of
material
from
the
recycling
receptacles
that
were
believed
the
we
pan
and
ruin
the
district
35
times
may
through
october,
removing
103
bags
of
trash.
A
We
also
perform
the
seasonal
cleanups
of
the
entire
district
in
may
and
november,
and
we
remove
458
instances
of
graffiti
over
the
course
of
the
year.
We
installed
tree
lighting.
A
Of
course,
in
in
october,
actually
we
started
in
september
started
a
little
earlier
this
year
and
that
just
came
down
in
march
and
their
at
this
point.
Their
banner
effort
was
mainly
focused
on
any
maintenance
issues
financially.
A
Escape
out
of
this,
so
I
can
go
into
the
budget
and
zoom
in
a
little
bit
you're
in
financial
report,
the
amended
the
district's
amended
budget
was
a
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
six.
Eighty
four,
the
actual
spend
at
the
end
of
the
year
was
a
hundred
and
nine
thousand
nine
nine
seven.
So
there
was
a
surplus
of
eighty
thousand
six,
eighty
seven
consistent
with
prior
years.
A
That
amount
has
been
carried
forward
and
rolled
into
your
2022
budget
as
an
amendment
that
you
will
see
in
just
a
second
any
questions
on
the
the
2021
annual
report.
Again
just
wanted
to
highlight
this.
This
was
distributed
and
has
been
posted
to
the
city
website.
A
F
C
E
Not
a
question,
but
just
a
comment
one.
I
I've
continued
to
get
feedback
from
owners
of
eastside
food
co-op
about
the
amount
of
salt
use
for
snow
removal.
Just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
again
that
we'd
love
to
see
a
little
less
salt
on
the
sidewalks
in
the
winter.
A
Yeah,
so
we
do
just
as
a
as
a
a
reminder.
One
appreciate
the
feedback
we
did
as
every
year.
We
have
conversations
with
all
of
our
snow
vendors
about
snow
services,
including
the
amount
of
chemical
de-icing
agent
that
is
applied
to
to
the
district.
The
we
do
require
in
the
contract
that
the
contractor
does
need
to
have
the
mndot.
A
I
think
they
call
it
the
smart
salting
certification,
so
they
we
bring
this
to
their
attention.
They
know
that
the
the
expectation
is
to
put
down
enough
salt
and
not
put
down
too
much
salt
their.
A
You
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
science
and
art
right
to
applying
chemical,
just
to
explain
it,
one
of
the
things
because
the
contractor
is
responsible
and
when
they
bid
on
the
work
and
when
they're
awarded
the
work,
as
you
know
that
they
accept
liability
for
slip
and
falls
on
the
public
sidewalk,
so
they
it's
incumbent
upon
them
to
put
down
as
much
chemical
as
they
feel
they
need
to
help
protect
themselves
against
a
claim.
A
A
One
of
the
things
one
of
the
changes
we
did
make
several
years
ago
we
used
to
just
to
fill
out
this
conversation.
The
contract
used
to
contractors
used
to
get
paid
on
a
per
application
time.
We
removed
that
and
baked
that
into
the
the
normal
base
cost.
So
therefore
removing
any
incentive
a
contractor
may
have
had
of
over
applying
chemical.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
wasn't
a
financial
reason.
Oh
you
know
we'll
just
go
on
the
block.
A
We
don't
necessarily
think
that
was
you
know
happening
it,
but
you
know
we
just
wanted
to
take
that
element
away.
I
would
say
that
we
are
always
open
to
suggestions
and
ideas
and
if,
ultimately,
what
we're
up
against
is
insurance
claims
and
the
the
vendor's
responsibility,
and
we
tossed
around
some
ideas.
There
are
other
ways
we
could
do
this
if
the
advisory
board
wanted
it,
but
right
now
the
approach
we
have
given
the
guidance
we've
been
given
is
is
what
we're
doing
so.
A
I
will
restate,
though,
that
we,
this
is
an
active
conversation
that
we
have
with
the
contractors
to,
and
we've
done,
other
things
like
you
know
they.
If
they
have
spills,
they
need
to
clean
it
up.
They
need
to
report
it
to
us,
so
there
are
other
things
that
we
could
do
and
we're
certainly
can
talk
about
other
measures
if
the
if
the
group
wants
to,
but
if
someone
can
help
us,
if
others
have
ideas
on
how
to
resolve
the
liability
issue,
we
are
all
ears.
G
I
think
just
the
only
thing
that
we
could
really
do
is
the
perceived
kind
of
caking
of
the
salt,
where
I
don't
know
what
the
pan
and
broom
schedule
is
during
those
heavy
salt
times,
but
if
we
can
maybe
just
have
them,
run
their
broom
along
the
buildings.
You
know,
salt
gets
stuck
on
the
building
and
people
don't
walk
there,
so
the
salt
doesn't
get
worn
out,
so
if
they
could
just
simply
sweep
it
into
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk,
then
you
know
people
that
see
big
chunks
of
salt
going.
G
A
Appreciate
the
comment,
the
other
observation
we
have
is
so
one
of
the
things
that
happened
this
year
is
the
snow
events.
There
was
sometimes
wide
gaps
in
time
a
lot
of
times.
What
would
happen
in
a
normal
average
snowfall
year?
Is
you
know
we
get
a
snow
event?
It's
snow
they'd
apply
the
chemical
a
week
later,
a
few
days
later,
we'd
have
another
event
and
that
that
chemical
would
get
swept
up
with
you
know
the
next
snowfall.
Well,
in
some
cases
we
had
large
gaps
in
time.
A
So
john,
your
suggestion
of
the
sweeping
was
certainly
one
of
the
solutions
possible
ideas
or
strategies
that
we
had
identified
right
now.
The
district
does
not
do
pain
and
room
services
in
the
winter,
so
that
is
something
we
could
do.
So
that's
partly
why
this
you
know
we
can.
We
can
sweep
it
up.
We
can
vacuum
it
up.
There's
different
strategies
like
that.
There's
a
cost
to
it,
of
course,
to
the
district.
But
those
are
things
when
we
talked
about
ideas
that
we
had.
Those
are
some
ideas
that
we
could
do.
G
Yeah,
but
I
would
be
against
you
know,
picking
it
up,
because
it's
it's
kind
of
needed,
but
just
getting
into
the
middle
of
the
walkways,
and
this
is
an
issue
that
every
building
in
it
has
it
everywhere.
Like
I
go
to
the
suburbs
and
there's
just
you
know,
cakes
of
salt
on
buildings
that
get
less
attention
so
yeah.
A
Right
so
so,
right
now,
the
contractor
is
the
snow
contractor
is
not
responsible
for
coming
back
and
just
sort
of
generally
pulling
that
stuff
back
away
from
the
building.
If
that
is
a
spec
requirement
that
the
group
wants
to
recommend,
we
could
consider
incorporating
it
into
future
contracts,
then,
obviously
that
extra
time
would
be
reflected
in
the
cost,
but
it
is
absolutely
something
that
could
be
incorporated
into
the
service.
E
I'll
just
I'll
just
please
hop
back
in
michael
and
sorry,
I
said
andrew
earlier,
I'm
in
michael.
E
I
I
understand
some
of
the
complexities
around
this
this
situation,
especially
with
litigation.
Once
you
add
in
litigation,
which
is
the
information
I
try
to
pass
on
to
our
ownership
and
people
who
ask
these
questions.
E
The
suggestion
that
I
typically
hear
from
people
who
this
is
an
important
issue
is
is
to
figure
out
a
way
to
sweep
up
the
excess
salt,
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
financially
responsible
or
resource
responsible
for
us
to
do
that,
but
if
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
get
more
information
about
how
much
that
would
cost
so
that
we
could
make
an
informed
decision
on
that.
I
think
that
that
that
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
me
to
at
least
be
able
to
tell
people
that
we've
looked
into
it.
A
Yeah,
well,
I
can
tell
you
we
pretty
much
have
that
number,
the
best
one
way
we
could
accomplish
that
is
to
remove.
We
have
a
bid
item
in
our
streetscape
contract
for
mechanical
sweeping
of
debris
off
the
sidewalk,
which
can
include,
like
you
know,
using
commercial
grade
equipment
to
vacuum,
stuff
up
and
kind
of
sweep
it
up
the
price
for
that
is
390
for
the
entire
district
for
time.
A
So
that
is,
and
that
is
like
we
don't
need
to
rebid
anything.
If
that's
a
service
going
into
next
winter,
that
the
group
wanted
to
recommend,
we
could
just
you
know
automatically,
do
that
or
figure
out
a
set
schedule.
We
would
be
looking
to
the
group
to
just
provide
some
guidance
that
that
is
in
recommendation,
that
that
is
how
you'd
like
to
use
your
resources
in
part.
H
A
You
and
I'm
just
like
that's
one
number
like
we
could
at.
We
could
also
do
it
on
a
labor
rate.
If
part
of
the
scope,
you
know,
john
h's
suggestion
was
to
just
maybe
sweep
it
away
from
the
buildings
right,
so
I'm
not
saying
that
would
cost
the
390
I'm
just.
That
is
a
price
we
have
to
mechanically
sweep
all
the
sidewalk
surfaces.
A
You
know
a
labor
rate,
it'd
probably
be
less
than
that.
If
we're
just
going
out
and
sort
of
saying,
hey
have
someone
with
a
broom
kind
of
room
it
away
from
the
buildings
and
redisburse
it
so
that
that
would
likely
be
less
on
a
per
time
basis.
H
I
say
we
think
about
it
and
consider
I
go
out
and
sweep
all
the
time.
It's
not
a
big
deal
for
me
to
sweep.
Sometimes
I
leave
it
on
the
push
it
away
from
my
buildings
and
just
leave
it
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk
and
other
times.
I
just
scoop
it
up
and
dispose
of
it.
So
yeah
I'm
not
opposed
to
just
sweeping
my
front,
but
I
don't
that's
just
me
so.
A
I
And
I
agree
with
that:
I'm
required
to
sweep
every
day
per
my
liquor
license,
so
I
usually
just
sweep
it
out
into
the
out
onto
the
sidewalk
or,
if
there's
a
lot,
I
pick
it
up
and
throw
it
away.
So
I'm
not
willing
to
I'm
not
interested
in
spending
more
money
to
have
someone
come
and
sweep
it
they're
already
getting
their
snow
cleared
and
the
ice
removed.
They
can
go
out
and
sweep
they're
next
to
their
building.
I
feel.
A
I
appreciate
that
the
other
thing
I
just
for
context
that
I
usually
add
is
a
point
we're
talking
about
part
of
why
the
the
amount
of
chemical
that's
applied
is
applied.
Is
there
is
snow
that
comes
off
of
awnings
and
you
know,
sort
of
building
facades
that
you
know
they'll
go
in
they'll,
clear
the
snow
and
then
as
snow
melts
and
wind
and
everything
it'll
land
back
on
the
sidewalk
at
you
know,
after
they've,
left
leaving
chemical
down
does
help
address
those
issues
after
that,
when
the
contractor
isn't
on
site.
A
So
that's
another
big
factor
in
when
they're
applying
what
they're
applying
so
just
to
add
that,
and
also
just
for
consideration.
A
A
The
liability
would
then
go
back
to
the
property
owners,
but
if
enough
property
owners
said
hey
I'll,
just
salt
myself,
we
could
just
have
the
contractor
just
clear
the
sidewalks
of
the
snow
so
there
and
I'm
saying
that
as
an
example
of
there
are
other
ways
to
approach
this.
If
there's
a
an
interest
in
consensus
and
that's
an
idea,
sweeping
afterward
at
district
cost
is
another,
and
so
there
are
things
that
we
can
do,
and
this
is
where
we
have
that
conversation
to
get
feedback.
So.
B
A
Very
either
I
appreciate
that
feedback,
so
you
know
for
any.
If
you
do
so
john
l,
I
think
this
kind
of
conversation
helps
when
you're
talking
to
folks
in
internally
and
and
I'll
just
say
again.
We
are.
There
are
other
ideas
we
thought
about.
This
is
typically
kind
of
where
we
come
back
to
with
most
groups
so,
but
just
to
put
it
out
there,
you
know
we
can
certainly
always
think
about
things
doing
things
differently.
A
If
that's
the
desire
of
the
group
with
that,
let's
shift
on
to
2022
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
segue
if
that
works
for
everybody,
if
there's
nothing
else
on
the
inner
report.
So
this
is
your
amended
budget
and
you
again
that
the
adjustment
column
here
is
the
surplus
from
year
in
2021.
A
So
again
you
see
the
80
0687
for
placeholder
purposes.
We
put
a
portion
of
that
that
carry
forward
amount
in
your
sidewalk
snow
budget
item
consistent
with
the
past.
So
that
way
you
are
budgeting
like
a
snowy
day
fund.
If
you
will,
for
those.
A
To
allocate
these
dollars
to
the
other
line
items
if
desired,
talking
about
sort
of
2022
work
plan,
so
the
general
work
plan
is
in
place,
we've
initiated
the
pan
and
room
services.
We
actually
started
that
a
little
early
this
year,
since
the
sort
of
the
snow
stopped
a
little
earlier
this
year.
So
we
started
that
two
weeks
early
and
then
we
a
couple
of
other
things
in
no
particular
order
at
our
last
meeting
last
may
we
talked
about
relocating
and
redistributing
the
sidewalk
planters.
A
That
is
something
we
did
and
I
will
pull
up
a
map
here.
This
is
a
different
map.
Sorry,
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
I'll
zoom
out
just
so
everybody
can
see
it
this,
so
the
pink
dots
are
the
current
location.
So
these
are
where
we
redistributed
and
david's
gonna
correct
me.
I
think
it
was
four
or
five
of
these
per
the
discussion
we
had
with
the
group
last
year.
So
please
know
that
those
have
been
redistributed.
A
One
question
we
had
is:
would
the
group
be
interested
in
purchasing
and
installing
perhaps
four
additional
receptacles?
So
we
can
fill
out
these
last
two
blocks,
so
every
block
base
has
at
least
one,
if
not
two
sidewalk
planters.
A
H
And
that
is
that
and
then
less
next
year,
because
we've
purchased
the
pots.
A
Right
so
there'd
be
that's
exactly
right,
there'd
be
a
little
bit
higher
cost
this
year
to
purchase
the
the
four
recep
four
planters,
but
once
in
you
know,
they
obviously
last-
and
I
think
somebody
here
might
remember-
but
these
are
at
least
seven
or
eight
years
old-
I've
not
been
even
old
so
so
far
they
this
particular
style,
has
held
up
pretty
well
for
you
guys
in
terms
of
its
lifespan,.
A
A
Yeah
part
of
our
rationale:
while
it's
not
a
major
expense
in
your
life
in
your
budget,
we
do
try
to
do
make
sure
that
services
are
equally
dispersed
throughout
the
district.
So
that
is
the
main
rationale
is
just
sort
of
the
equitability
of
you
know.
These
properties
are
paying
or
in
part,
sidewalk
planters
for
everywhere
else,
which
they're
indirectly
benefiting
from
so
to
add
four
more
and
balance
it
out
and
make
sure
every
block
face
is
pretty
much.
A
The
same
seen
seem
to
make
sense
to
us
for
for
not
a
huge
investment.
J
B
E
J
A
Very
good,
thank
you.
We
will
try
to
get
those
ordered
given
supply
issues
this
year
and
it'll
be
too
late
for
the
summer
plantings,
but
we
probably
can
get
them
in
place
for
the
winter
plantings
and
going
forward
so
we'll
we'll
get
that
done
next
up.
A
We
wanted
to
talk
about
seasonal
lighting,
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
this
map,
which
has
a
whole
bunch
of
color
coding
on
it
and
the
so
this
is
your
tree
locations
so
wanted
to
just
recap:
sort
of
where
the
district
is
at
and
then
ask
a
question.
So
you,
the
district,
has
105
tree
locations.
A
12
of
these
are
currently
do
not
have
a
tree,
but
some
of
them
may
be
filled
by
the
park
board.
Yet
this
spring
so
and
of
those
105
five
locations
have
trees
that
are
too
small
to
put
seasonal
lighting
on.
A
There
are
two
locations
that
are
right
up
here,
that
don't
have
ready
access
to
power
and
then
the
remaining
of
the
remaining
the
district
lights,
57
of
the
trees,
so
trees
that
are
large
enough
and
have
a
power
supply,
and
there
are
29
trees
that
the
district
is
currently
not
lighting.
And
now
let
me,
let's
all
right.
A
The
pdf
has
a
mind
of
its
own,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
zoom
in
here
and
give
you
a
little
bit
of
sense.
So
the
historical
pattern
has
kind
of
been
every
other
tree.
I
think
most
folks
know
so
the
yellow
dots
are
trees
that
were
lit
this
last
season.
The
black
dots
are
just
the
low-level
light
poles,
which
are
the
power
supplies
to
the
trees.
A
A
white
dot
means
there's,
there's
no
tree
there
currently
and
a
blue
dot
means
the
tree.
That
is
big
enough
to
light,
has
a
power
supply,
but
we
have
not
lit,
and
then
some
of
these
orange
dots
again
are
too
small.
A
So
one
question:
we
had
historically
part
of
the
reason
that
the
group
did
not
like
all
the
trees
is
that
using
inca
stringers
was
putting
too
much
electrical
load
on
the
system
with
going
leds.
That
is
no.
A
More
trees,
if
the
group
wanted
to
so
we
wanted
to
ask
the
question
and
I'll
also
say
that
we
had
very
continued
to
have
very
good
success,
good
success
with
less
maintenance
in
season
maintenance
issues
with
going
to
leds.
A
So
essentially,
we
had
more
of
your
the
stringers
that
were
on
the
trees
lit
when
the
group
wanted
them
lit
this
past
lighting
season.
So
we
definitely
have
had
and
had
a
positive
experience
with
switching
over
to
the
leds
with
lower
maintenance
costs.
Is
there
an
interest
in
expanding
the
footprint
of
the
trees
that
could
be
lit
and
lighting
them
with
this
upcoming
lighting
season?.
H
Michael,
this
is
patty,
the
the
lights
are
just
cut
out
of
the
tree
and
thrown
away
after
the
season
correct.
A
Not
the
leds,
we
used
to
cut
them
out
the
incandescents.
The
leds
are
carefully
removed
and
stored
in
totes
and
stored
in
in
conditioned
environment
for
the
off
season.
H
Okay,
so
adding
trees,
adding
lighting
to
trees
doesn't
mean
adding
more
garbage
correct.
Okay,
okay,
I
don't
really
have
a
strong
opinion
either
way,
but
it's
nice
to
know
that
if
we
did
add
lighting
to
trees,
we're
not
just
ripping
them
out
and
throwing
them
away.
So
I
could
go
either
way.
A
Well,
it's
still
to
be
determined
right
now
we
can
say
it's
at
least
four
seasons,
so
the
district
that
we
had
go
led
first
with
the
most
robust
test,
meaning
they
did
every
tree
in
their
district,
which
was
over
200
trees.
A
We
just
concluded
their
fourth
lighting
season
with
the
first
batch
of
leds.
We
have
had
to
supplement
sort
of
five
to
ten
percent
a
year
in
part
because
of
damage
for
wind,
in
some
cases,
vandalism
things
like
that.
All
indications
are
that
we'll
be
able
to
put
the
vast
majority
of
those
like
stringers
up
for
at
least
for
this
coming
lighting
season,
so
we
hope
to
at
least
get
a
fifth
season
out
of
it,
and
our
intent
is
we'll
keep
putting
them
up
as
long
as
they
last.
A
If
they're,
you
know
we're
not
just
gonna
artificially
arbitrarily
start
to
take
them
out
of
out
of
service.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
can
quite
say
we're
good
five
to
seven
years
out
of
it,
but
we're
four
years
and
counting
is
the
safest
for
birth.
90
percent
of
the
springs.
G
A
So
it's
I
reckon
I'm
gonna
move
to
the
budget
back
to
the
budget.
Sorry,
I'm
not
trying
to
make
anybody
sick.
A
So
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
last
year's
budget,
so
we
spent
about
twenty
three
thousand
dollars
all
in
so
that
was
electrical
system
maintenance
everything
last
year,
the
fastest
rule
of
thumb,
I
would
say,
is
if
we
were
to
light
all
of
the
remaining
29
trees,
because
it's
about
50
percent
of
what
you're
currently
lighting
these
costs
would
go
up
about
50
on
this
line
item
so
add
11,
000
or
so
12,
000
or
so
to
the
23
year
spending.
A
C
I
A
It's
colored
leds
at
and
it's
at
it's
at
certain
corners,
so
it's
at
lowry,
26th
and
19th.
So
we
do
the
four
I
can
go
back
to
the
map.
We
do
the
four
corners
at
lowry.
A
I
did
not
indicate
that
on
the
map,
because,
honestly,
there
were
just
enough
colors
on
this
map,
as
it
was,
but
so
like
these
two
down
here
at
19th
are
the
the
larger
c9
bulbs
multi-color,
led
and
by
the
way
those
we've
had
for
a
number
of
years,
but
those
are
five
six
years
so,
john
higgins,
maybe
that
was
your
comment
that
the
larger
c9
balls
we
definitely
have
longer
are
enjoying
the
longer
life
span
with
the
up
at
lowry.
We
do
these
four
trees.
A
All
right
so
just
know
that
if
and
when
at
some
point,
there's
a
desire
to
to
do,
you
know
to
expand
the
footprint
we
can.
I
would
say
it
is
something
we
would
encourage
the
group
to
think
about.
You
know,
especially
as
we
have
surpluses
not
that
there
are
other
uses
for
those
dollars,
but
it
it
really
is
an
artifact
of
the
electrical
system
and
what
it
could
tolerate.
Prior
with
new
districts,
we
almost
assured
they
would.
A
If
the
district
was
going
to
go
tree
lighting,
we
would
pretty
much
just
light
every
tree
we
could
just
just
so
everybody
knows
so
with.
J
That
michael
michael
yeah,
linda
what
about,
if,
as
things
need
replacing,
we
added
more
of
the
colored,
and
this
is
just
a
what?
If
because
I'm
not
sure.
But
what?
If
we
added
the
color
to
more
of
the
corner
of
the
corner
of
situations?
J
And
you
see
if
there
were
like
four
trees,
not
at
an
intersection
of
selected
lights,
we
would
just
move
those
to
a
to
a
bigger
tree.
A
new
location
and
eventually
every
corner
would
have
that
look
of
the
multi-color
with
the
bigger
bulb.
A
That
that's
certainly
an
option.
The
just
for
context.
The
c9
bulbs
are
more
expensive
so
per
tree
basis.
That
would
be
a
higher
cost
than
using
the
the
clear
leds
on
on
a
tree,
but
it
is
an
option
if
the
goal
was
to
deploy
more
multi-color.
J
A
We
we
typically
interface
with
the
parkour
every
spring,
just
to
give
get
a
sense
of
what
they
are
planning
to
replace,
don't
know
if
we
have
a
specific
update,
if
I
can
say
that
those
have
been
recorded
or
not,
but
we
do
have
those
locations
and
we
can
we
well
I'll,
say
we
will
connect
with
the
the
manager
for
this
this
district
for
the
park
board.
They
have
tree
districts,
it's
not
a
particular
district.
G
Michael,
who
would
be
the
appropriate
person
to
get
more
information
about
tree
trimming?
I
think
I've
asked
for
three
years
now
we
got
branches
that
are
touching
our
buildings,
damaging
roofs,
that
kind
of
thing
and
I'm
getting
nothing.
A
Yeah,
it
is
the
park
board,
forestry
division,
they
are
responsible
and
we
only
recommend
that
building
owners
work
directly
with
the
forestry
division.
There
have
been
instances
where
building
owners
have
taken
it
upon
themselves
to
trim
their
tree,
and
that
has
led
to
other
problems
for
that
property
owner.
So
it's
nothing,
but
it
dies.
So
the
park
board
forestry
division
and
we
can
follow
up
with
the
the
name
of
the
district's
superintendents.
What
are
they
called
david?
The
parkour
forestry
person
assigned
to
each
area.
F
H
It's
patti
grill.
Circling
back
to
the
the
lighting.
I
would
be
in
favor
of
lighting
the
corners
with
colored,
but
I
do
like
the
colors
on
the
corner
and
white
lights
in
the
body
of
the
street.
So
if,
if
lights
are
burning
out
on
corners,
I'm
in
favor
of
replacing
to
color
but
not
replacing
all
of
the
lights
to
the
colored
lights,.
A
Your
consensus
to
where
it
makes
sense
to
add
corners,
and
I
think
what
we
would
do
is
probably
do
them
in
pairs
so
that
they
were
consistent
on
each
side
of
the
street,
where
we
could
do
that.
If
that
makes
sense
to
everybody.
A
Trash
receptacles
we
did
install
the
decals
on
all
the
trash
receptacles
last
summer.
Just
everybody
knows
that
was
done
and
we
also
have
gone
through
the
district
and
reported
all
of
the
street
light
outages
that
are
within
the
district
boundaries.
So
we've
reported
those
to
the
traffic
division,
so
hopefully
those
will
be
re-lamped
here
in
the
near
future.
A
We
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
banners.
Oh
well
here.
Let
me
before
we
move
on
to
banner,
so
the
rest
of
the
normal
program
is
in
place.
All
the
plants
have
been
ordered
for
the
sidewalk
planters
they'll
go
out.
You
know,
typically
those
arrive
from
the
nursery
sort
of
that
last
week
of
may
they're
about
to
go
in
within
a
day
or
two
so
know
that
the
sidewalk
plants
will
be
planted
in
the
maintenance
of
theirs
all
on
the
schedule.
We
have
the
band
of
room.
A
As
I've
said,
we
started
that
one
one
two
week
period
early,
but
that
is
in
motion
the
graffiti
abatement
all
happening
for
normal,
so
the
normal
program
is
in
place.
I
will
also
mention
here
that
we
did
re-bid
the
district
streetscape
contract
last
fall.
That
went
into
effect,
jan
in
january
of
this
year
by
and
large,
and
this
may
shock
everybody,
but
the
pricing
was
flat
to
less
than
it
was
the
from
the
prior
contract.
A
So
now
I
can't
say
that
that's
gonna
hold
up
given
the
economy
that
everyone's
working
in
and
the
inflationary
pressures
that
are
are
facing,
but
please
know
that
that
work
was
rebid
it.
The
work
pilot,
the
low
bidder,
was
the
contractor
that
had
to
work
before
so
there
there's
no
change
in
contractor
there
as
a
result
of
everyday.
A
Similarly,
we
had
last
summer
we
did
your
snow
contract
that
did
go
to
a
new
contractor,
because
a
different
contractor
was
a
little
bitter
for
this
last
season.
So
one
of
the
questions
we
wanted
to
ask
the
group
was
that
contract
the
weight
is
structured.
Is
the
the
contractor
gives
the
city
the
option
to
extend
the
contract
for
up
to
four
additional
years
subject
to
a
financial
cap
that
it
can't
go
above
regardless
of
the
number
of
years?
A
But
we
would
have
the
option
to
extend
that
contract
for
next
winter
season.
Feedback
that
you
would
like
to
give
us
on
whether
the
city
should
exercise
that
option
to
extend
for
next
winter
season.
With
the
current
snow
monitor.
I
I
think
that
I
think
the
contractor
did
a
good
job
minus
the
couple
things
that
I
called
you
about,
but
I
didn't
see
that
after
we
had
a
our
conversation,
okay.
C
A
H
I
I
I
guess
I
have
a
question
and
this
is
completely
personal,
because
I
sleep
right
on
yeah
like
I
live
here
and
my
apartment's
right
on
central,
just
basic
placement
of
larger
trucks
that
idle
for
hours
and
hours
and
hours
like
just
other
than
that.
I
think
they
did
a
pretty
good
job.
H
I
I
had
called
you
michael
on
a
couple
of
issues,
but
they
addressed
him
pretty
quickly
and
it's
a
very
personal
request
of
maybe
you
know-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
ask,
but
all
in
all,
I
think
they
did
a
pretty
decent
job.
So.
B
A
Yeah,
I
would
just
on
the
idling
that
we
can
talk
to
them.
It
gets
a
little
tough
because
you
know
central
is
a
mixed
use
corridor.
As
you
all
know,
a
lot
of
buildings
have
residential
above
them,
so
it'd
be
hard
to
find.
You
know
specifically
say
okay
well
park
here,
but
not
here
the
in
part,
because
you
know
the
goal
is
that
they
get.
A
Right,
I
mean
that's
what
we
want
so,
and
they
want
to
get
in
and
out
as
fast
as
possible,
which
is
partly
why
we
do
have
overnight,
because
there's
less
traffic
and
people
can
go
to
to
a
remote
safety
perspective.
So
the
we
will
we'll
talk
to
the
vendor
and
see
if
they
have
thoughts
on
their.
You
know
other
ideas
about
where
they
are
having
trucks
keep
up.
So
any
other
feedback
on
whether
to
extend
the
contract
or
not.
E
Hey
this
is
john.
I
thought
that
the
contractors
did
a
pretty
good
job.
They
seemed
to
me,
like
they
used
larger
equipment
and
heavier
equipment
than
the
previous
contractor.
E
We
did
have
a
couple
issues
with
them,
hitting
parking
lot
signage
on
the
sidewalks
as
they
were
clearing
snow,
and
so
I
just
would
want
them
to
be
careful
of
those
types
of
things,
but
otherwise
I
thought
they
did
a
pretty
good
job
and
other
than
my
salt
complaints
too,
but
that's
whatever.
A
All
right
well
appreciate
the
feedback.
If
you
think
of
other
thoughts,
we
will
still
we'll
review
it
internally
and
there'll
be
a
final
decision
made,
but
this
is
helpful
feedback
from
the
group
banners
and
then
we'll
we'll
move
on
to
the
2023
budget
recommendation.
So
the
it
sounds
like
the
northeast
or
the
yeah.
The
northeast
chamber
does
have
a
desire
to
do
to
put
up
some
banners
so
similar
to
the
partnership
that
has
happened
in
past
years.
A
Some
cases
the
district
has
paid
for
the
banner
fabrication
in
the
installation
and
de-installation
and
in
other
cases
we've
worked
with
groups
that
have
either
done
stuff
on
their
own,
or
a
portion
of
that
you
do
have
money
in
your
current
budget
to
do
what
would
be
the
normal,
the
historical
complement
of
banners,
so
art
of
world
northeast
parade
open
streets
which
there
isn't
one
this
year
as
we
understand
it,
and
then
a
destination
northeast
sounds
like
there
is.
A
A
Any
general
feedback
on
installation
on
them
has
been
kind
of
banners.
H
We
don't
need
to
redesign
anything
other
than
approve,
maybe
the
mural
and
the
other
group
that
might
take
the
place
of
open
streets
is
that
correct.
A
The
so
the
yeah-
I
would
say
it's
conceptually
if
it's
helpful
one
way
to
think
about
it
is,
is
the
group
okay,
with
banners
being
on
the
low-level
poll
so
within,
because
it's
particular
polls
that
are
within
the
service
district
before
a
banner
permit
is
issued
if
it's
required.
A
H
I'm
okay
with
banners.
It
seemed
like
some
of
them
failed.
There
was
some
installation
issues,
but
I'm
okay,
I
kind
of
like
the
banners
and
if
it's
not
going
to
be
open
streets,
I
guess
I'm
also
okay
with
a
fourth
group,
yet
to
be
determined.
A
So
let
me
say
this
on
the
banner:
the
content,
the
city
nor
the
service
district
can
make
a
decision
about
whether
a
group
can
put
up
a
banner
based
on
the
group
because
of
their
first
amendment
rights.
So
I
have
a
long
history
with
this
of
working
with
districts
that
have
wanted
to
have
more
influence,
and
I
would
just
caution
the
group
that
we
should
stop
talking
about.
A
Well,
if
we
like
the
group
we'll
let
their
banner
go
up,
because
that
is,
that
is
not
what
the
city
can
control
the
city
can
control
being
the
public
sector,
time
place
and
manner
of
banners.
It
isn't
group
or
message
specific
other
than
they
have
to
meet.
Any
group,
including
the
ssd,
has
to
comply
with
the
city's
banner
ordinance.
A
As
long
as
it
meets
the
banner
ordinance
that
is-
and
I'm
I
want
to
be
clear-
I
am
not
representing
the
city
attorney
and
I
am
not
an
attorney.
I
am
just
letting
you
know
as
someone
who
has
a
lot
of
history
with
banners
that
the
we
just,
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
how
a
review
is
conducted
and
what
is
reviewed.
E
A
I've,
never
it's
just
usually
it's
just
not
been
an
issue
because
part
of
it
is
the
city.
Banner
ordinance
describes
what
what
messaging
can
go
on
banners,
what
the
city
allows
anywhere
in
the
city
and
groups
that
don't
messaging,
that
don't
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
group's
messaging
that
doesn't
align
with
that
don't
get
approved
because
of
the
banner
the
way
the
banner
audience
is
weird.
I
want
to
be
clear.
I'm
like
going
out
on
a
limb
here.
I
just
I've
had
groups
tread
in
too
well.
A
H
Patty
growl
noted
totally
noted,
and
I
actually
would
thought
agree
with
that
to
clarify
we
have
potentially
four
banner
opportunities.
This
season
correct.
A
Yes
and
these
known
banner
programs,
can
I
say
it
like
that,
and
I
just
opportunities
like
it.
It
kind
of
depends
on
how
long
they're
up
because
they're
coming
for,
but
we
are
aware
of
at
least
four
banner
programs,
meaning
four
different
types
of
banners.
That
would
be
up.
A
A
F
A
It's
possible
that
some
of
these
could
overlap
because
of
the
number
of
polls
you
have
in
the
district,
so
I
would
just
encourage
the
group
not
to
think
about
it.
As
in
the
past,
we
have
done
four
up
and
four
down.
It
could
be
different
this
year.
If
you
you
know
conceptually,
if
the
group
is
okay
with
it,
because
some
groups
may
not
do
every
poll
or
some
groups
might
do
other
polls
if
that
makes
sense,
so
I
think
it's
more
conceptually.
E
Hey
this
is
john.
I
I'm
in
favor
of
continuing
to
have
banners
on
the
low-level
light
poles.
I
I
don't
think
that
I'd
want
to
see
a
big
increase
in
expense
on
that
and
so
whatever
whatever
that
means,
if,
if
like,
if,
if
we
started
having
a
bunch
of
groups
who
wanted
install
and
takedown
of
banners,
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
a
big
increase
in
expense
associated
with
that.
A
Very
good
point
so
right
now
the
group
has
at
least
historically
budgeted
to
participate
in
the
art
of
world
banners
that
are
within
the
district,
the
parade
banners
within
the
district,
another
event
and
then,
which
has
historically
been
open
streets
and
then
the
destination
northeast
banner.
So
if,
if
other
groups
could
come
in
put
out
banners
but
not
put
them
up,
that
would
have
any
cost
implications
to
the
district.
To
be
clear,
so
I
clarified.
A
Yeah
there's
a
there's
a
process;
they
can't
just
put
them
off.
Thank
you.
Andy
there
is
a
the
city
has
a
banner
ordinance.
The
groups
have
to
and
there's
a
permit
banner
permit
process
that
includes
review
within
the
city
and
if
the
polls
are
within
a
district
typically,
the
district
is
asked
if
they
have
an
opinion,
not
about
the
group
or
the
content,
but
about
the
idea
of
banners
being
put
on
the
polls.
Does
that
make
sense?
A
Yes,
so
that's
where
I'm
asking
the
question?
It's
really.
If
a
group,
let
me
give
you
a
different
example:
the
advisory
board
said
we
don't
like
banners.
We
don't
want
to
have
any
allow
anybody
to
put
banners
on
our
polls.
That
recommendation
would
feed
through
anybody
who
applied
for
a
banner
permit
doesn't
mean
that
that's
going
to
be
the
final
decision,
but
that
would
be
the
the
advice
given
to
city
staff
for
city
staff,
then
to
make
a
final
decision
that's
effectively
how
banner's
working.
H
This
is
patti
grell,
I'm
actually
what
john
said
in
regards
to.
I
do
not
want
to
increase
any
cost
and,
in
fact,
if
we
only
have
plans
for
the
chamber,
the
the
parade
part.
J
H
The
northeast
banners,
I
would
actually
be
interested
in
reducing
our
banner
budget
and
if
someone
wants
to
pay
to
put
banners
up
and
moves
through
the
process
sure,
but
I'm
gonna,
I
would.
I
would
be
interested
in
reducing
our
banner
to
just
three
this
this
year
and
those
who
want
to
pay
for
banners
sure.
But
what
do
you
guys?
Think
of
that.
B
A
The
situation
I'm
describing
has
been
the
case
for
a
very
long
time,
so
anybody
could
have
come
and
proposed
this
it
just
it
didn't
happen,
so
there's
nothing
new,
that's
changing
on.
I
mean
what
I'm
describing
we're
just
having
a
detailed
conversation
about
banners.
None
of
this
policy
is
new
at
all
it.
What
it
comes
down
to
is
to
to
paddy's
comment
is
a
portion
of
your
banners.
A
portion
of
the
banners
that
are
up
in
the
district
are
put
up
there
at
district
cost
by
recommendation
of
this
group.
A
So
if
it's
easier
to
narrow
the
conversation
down
to
that
that
that
might
be
another
way.
To
conclude
this
conversation,
patty
has
suggested
only
budgeting
for
for
three
banners
cycles
this
year
and
if
other
groups
come
in
and
go
through
the
process
at
their
own
expense,
it'll
be
I'm
paraphrasing.
I
F
A
So
it
has
depended
on
in
the
past,
so
there
have
been
years.
Like
I
mean
it's
been
a
little
goofy
just
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
some
of
these
events
didn't
happen.
But
in
past
years
the
group
did
pay
for
the
production
of
the
banners,
the
installation
of
the
banners
and
the
de-installation
of
the
banners
it
paid
for
all
of
it
as
part
of
your
budget.
A
In
some
years,
when
the
chamber,
for
example,
had
had
a
grant
or
like
they
do
this
year,
then
they
paid
for
the
production
of
the
banners,
gave
the
banners
to
us
and
they
were
installed
and
de-installed
at
district
expense.
So
it
just
it
has
depended
by
the
year
and
the
banner
program.
I
So
of
the
four
groups,
do
you
know
which
ones
we
have
to
pay
to
manufacture.
A
A
Well,
it
sounds
like
the
chamber
has
dollars
to
manufacture
the
the
parade.
Historically
nema
has
not
paid
for
the
production
of
their
banners,
the
art
of
world
banners
that
ended
up
in
the
district
that
has
been
done
at
district
expense.
A
There
may
have
been
some
years
in
there
where
they
paid
for
them,
but,
most
recently,
when
there's
been
an
art
of
world
those
have
been
put
up
at
district
expense,
david.
I'm
remembering
that
correctly
right
I
mean
I
believe
we
got
the
artwork
and
we,
we
paid
pretty
sure,
that's
right.
Sorry,
with
15
districts,
there's
a
lot
of
details
to
remember
but
high
level.
What
I
recall
is
our
world
were:
all
the
costs
were
was
agreed
to
be
paid
by
the
district,
the
parade
it's
dependent.
A
Some
years
it's
been
chamber
has
paid
for
the
production
and
again
district
is
only
paid
for
install
and
d
install
other
years,
the
district
paid
for
for
everything
open
streets
that
was
all
done
at
district
expense,
fabrication,
installation,
de-installation
and
the
destination
northeast.
I
believe
those
banners
were
originally
paid
for
by
the
chamber,
and
then
the
installation
and
de-installation
cost
was
a
district
expense.
This
fourth
group,
if
it
happens
that
I'm
talking
about
there,
would
be
absolutely
no
cost
to
the
district
whatsoever
for
anything.
A
That
was
my
communication
to
the
christine
was.
We
would
need
those
like
absolutely
as
soon
as
possible
that
artwork
in
order
to
have
any
hope
of
getting
them
up
in
advance
for
our
world
weekend
it
it
may
be
just
normally.
They
are
already
in
production
by
now,
but
we
didn't
know
if
it
was
our
rules
happening
and
if
there
was
an
interest
and
no
one
had
given
us
any
artwork.
Typically
nema
has
given
us
the
artwork
to
be
clear.
A
H
I
know
that
the
parade
is
happening
this
year,
which
I'm
very
excited
about,
I'm
I
would
be
inclined
to
post
the
parade,
banners
asap
or
get
the
artwork
or
get
that
moving
clarify
if
the
chamber
is
paying
for
some
of
that
or
if
we're
paying
for
all
of
it.
I
like
the
destination
northeast
banners
again.
I
think
we
should
move
and
get
those
planned
out
and
get
those
in
production,
so
they
can
go
up
after
the
parade
banners
come
down.
H
I
think
artworld.
Unfortunately,
this
year
is
just
not
feasible.
I
think
we've
run
out
of
time
and
but
again
to
reiterate,
I
would
I
really
want
our
world
banners
for
2023
next
season
and
we're
not
doing
open
streets
so.
A
Did
say
that
in
her
text
that
they
have
money
to
produce
the
parade
banners
as
well
as
the
carol
banners.
So
I
think.
A
Yeah,
the
partnership
would
be
the
I'm
reading
between
the
lines
and
think
the
partnership
will
be.
The
district
pays
for
the
installation
and
de-installation
so.
H
Okay,
if
the
destination
northeast
banners
could
be
the
last
that
go
up
and
kind
of
try
to
maintain
and
last
through
the
season,
the
winter,
and
then
we
just
kind
of
start
the
cycle
again,
that's
my
preference,
so
parade
goes
up
as
fast
as
it
can
we're
gonna
not
be
able
to
do
art
of
worlds.
My
opinion,
a
mural
banner
paid
for
production
paid
for
by
wait,
is
the
parade
production
paid
for
by
chamber.
It
sounds.
A
H
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
start
over
again,
sorry
guys
so
parade
production
paid
for
by
chamber.
We,
the
cassid,
pays
for
installation
and
de-installation
arter
world
is
a
loss
mural
paid
for
by
the
ch.
The
chamber,
acid
pays
for
installation
and
de-installation
and
the
destination
northeast
is
paid
for
all
by
cassid,
correct.
C
A
Production
cost
there
the
at
least
to
my
knowledge
that
I'm
sitting
here
with
right
now.
I
I
think
that
sounds
great.
I
you
know
I
want
to.
I
do
want
us
to
support
our
world
next
year.
I
think
we
have.
We
are
beyond
our
reasonable
time
this
year
to
get
it
done.
We
just
we
need
to
we,
then
they
need
to
be
up
already.
A
Okay,
I
feel
like
I
have
captured
that
any
further
conversation
on
banners-
boy-
that
was
an
in-depth
conversation.
H
Michael,
is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
discuss
just
potential
ways
to
use
the
surplus?
Is
that
appropriate?
Now
or
absolutely?
This
is
now
the
time.
So
this
is
patti
grell.
So
there's
it's
been
calmer.
As
of
late.
H
H
Considering
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
call
it
security
or
some
kind
of
de-escalation
or
some
kind
of
presence
on
the
avenue
that
we
actually
paid,
for
that
is
not
necessarily
a
buyback
through
the
police
department,
just
some
kind
of
presence
on
the
block
that
can
help
de-escalate
situations
or
yeah.
H
Just
your
thoughts-
and
I
wish
that
I
actually
talked
to
more
business
owners
during
the
pandemic
and
during
last
seasons,
and
and
I
definitely
feel
that
we
should
all
be
meeting
a
little
bit
more
often
or
talking
to
each
other
more
often
than
just
these
scheduled
tests
and
meetings.
So
I'm
just
wondering
your
thoughts
on
paying
for
some
kind
of
I'm
going
to
call
it
security,
but
I
don't
know
what
else
to
call
it
at
this
time.
So
what
do
you
guys
think.
G
We're
experiencing
you
know
a
step
up
of
what
you
are
we're
experiencing.
Our
tenants
are
experiencing
dramatic
head
trauma,
assaults.
You
know
over
ten
thousand
dollars
in
graffiti
this
year,
so
unfortunately
you
can
label.
However,
you
want,
I
just
need
the
police
more.
J
This
is
linda
and
I
had
a
terrible,
terrible,
terrible
issues
this
year
with
homeless,
with
our
friend
andrew
paulson
and
his
parties
in
our
stoops
and
a
very
hard
time
moving
him
on
because
of
the
current
attitude,
and
I
I
don't
know
what
can
be
done
and
I
don't
know
who
could
be
empowered,
but
it
it
creates
a
very
bad
business
climate
and
also
a
very
scary
whatever
for
the
tenants
so
and-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
to
it
is.
But
I
agree
we
we
have
an
issue
or
we
had.
I
I
mean,
I
think
I
I
I
I'd
have
to
think
about
it
a
little
bit.
I
know
they're
they're.
I
know
the
problems
in
the
alley
that
out
that
that
patty
is
talking
about
I
I
was
dealing
with
them.
Also,
you
know
I
had
to
hire.
I
have
a.
I
have
a
security
person
working
at
my
liquor
store
now
that
I
had
to
pay
for
because
I
can't
get
you
know-
and
this
is
this-
is
not
against
the
police,
they
don't
have.
I
They
don't
have
staff,
but
I
can't
get
a
police
officer
to
show
up
to
my
liquor
store
for
for
theft,
so
I
you
know
I
I
would
love
to
see
a
beat
officer
back
on
the
beat
and
that's
what
that's
what
I
would
like
to
see
versus
paying
it
forward
out
of
our
pocket,
but
I
don't
think
with
our
current
political
climate,
that's
going
to
be
happening
anytime
soon,
so
it
may
be
an
option,
but
I'd
have
to
think
about
it
before
I
could
support
it.
E
E
A
You
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
paying
attention
to
the
to
this,
to
public
safety
in
minneapolis,
to
be
sure,
specifically
on
the
the
service
districts.
We
do
have
some
service
districts
and
it's
one
that
has
been
spent
some
significant
resources
in
sort
of
the
security
realm,
meaning
ssd
resources,
and
we
can.
A
I
can
highlight
those
in
just
a
second,
so
I
would
say
it's
a
discussion
at
almost
every
single
advisory
board
throughout
the
regardless
of
where
they
are
in
the
city,
one
of
the
the
challenges
and
no
way
to
sort
of
steer
the
conversation
one
way
or
the
other,
but
the
practical
reality
for
districts
whose
budgets
are
less
than
half
a
million
dollars,
or
even
you
know
less
than
that,
the
the
safety
strategies
tend
to
cost
a
lot
relative
to
a
lot
of
the
smaller
districts
of
budgets.
A
So,
while
it's
been
a
conversation
for
a
lot
of
districts,
you
know
a
lot
of
our
districts
just
have,
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
felt
that
they
don't
have
the
resources
to
to
really
think
about
comprehensive
strategies
that
we
have
had.
Districts,
though,
that
have
invested
in
likes
public
realm
cameras
that
can
be
monitored
by
mpd,
so
that
tends
to
be
one-time
costs,
and
we
had
one
district
that
you
know
deployed
20,
additional
cameras,
police
cameras
in
their
district
at
district
expense.
A
That's
an
example
that
district
also
did
police
buy
back,
so
they
they
had
for
most
of
last
year.
They
had
a
one
or
more
beat
patrol
officers
in
the
evening
hours,
seven
days
a
week
that
were
there
at
district
expense,
so
that
there
are
examples
of
strategies
that
districts
have
funded,
but
generally
because
of
the
expense.
It
isn't
some
the
cost
relative
again
to
a
budget.
It
hasn't
been
something
that
a
lot
of
districts
have
been
able
felt
that
they
were
in
a
position
to
allocate
dollars
tools.
A
A
Are
there
is
anything
else
the
group
would
like
to
do?
We
did
do
a
walk
through
the
district,
and
the
multi-year
issue
of
the
condition
of
the
tree
openings
is
something
that
dollars
could
be
allocated
towards
if
there
was
an
interest.
A
Oh,
I
meant
more
like
what
do
we
do
around
the
trees
that
are
there?
We
mulched
them
historically,
do
we.
We
had
some
some
more
great
few
few
great
issues
you
know.
Do
we
want
to
think
about
deploying
decorative
rock
around
the
tree
openings
rather
than
going
with
the
mulch
things
like
that.
A
Again,
the
default
has
been
around
the
tree
pits
to
make
them
aesthetically.
You
know,
make
them
look
a
little
better,
we've
mulched
around
them.
You
know
usually
either,
if
not
each
spring,
every
other
spring,
just
to
make
them
look
a
little
better.
Obviously,
the
the
mulch
just
integrates
and
gets
blown
around
and
stuff,
so
it
doesn't
stay
there
necessarily
like
a
like
a
garden
bed.
I
J
B
J
J
J
A
So
cameras,
a
kind
of
a
rule
of
thumb,
is
going
to
be
about
eight
to
ten
thousand
dollars
per
camera
installed.
So
and
that's
once
installed,
mpd
takes
a,
you
know,
assumes
responsibility,
so
there's
not
ongoing
cost.
B
A
Cameras
could
be
installed
in
an
alley.
It's
a
public
right
way.
I
And
I
don't
want
to,
I
don't
want
to
say
that
they
don't
come.
I
I
did
say
that,
but
it's
it's
it's
stuff,
that's
happening.
They.
The
cops
show
up
to
take
a
report
three
hours
later,
because
it's
a
minor
theft
and
then
it's
a
bottle
of
booze,
so
the
city
attorney
won't
even
do
anything
about
it,
so
they
don't.
Even
I
mean
they.
They
haven't
discouraged
from
taking
the
report,
but
they're
like
we
could
take
the
report,
but
nothing
will
be
done
with
it.
I
H
Hey
scott,
this
is
paddy
grill
I
am.
I
am
I.
What
we're
witnessing
is
just
lots
of
loitering
lots
of
drug
use,
lots
of
drug
dealing.
You
know
folks,
actually
camping
out
behind
the
laundromat
for
days
or
living
there,
and
I
know
some
of
the
folks
might
be
using
your
store
as
a
resource.
You
know
for
stealing
and
and
whatnot.
H
I
think
we're
talking
about
the
same
folks
from
last
summer
and
when
I
would
report
that
same
response,
usually
nothing
or
hours
later,
like
there
were
literally
folks
passed
out
in
my
parking
lot.
I
didn't
know
they
were
they
were
dead
or
alive
or
you
know,
and
it
was
not
immediate
response.
I
would
have
to
say
this
year
quicker
response
times
and
suddenly
there
feels
like
there's
a
less
amount
of
folks
on
the
street.
I
I
I
agree
to
a
point
I
think,
instead
of
having
this
conversation
here,
maybe
you
and
I
can
talk
about
the
block
about
the.
F
H
C
A
In
the
minutes,
we
have
left
anything
else
on
2022,
we'll
re-mulch
the
tree
openings
to
relive
the
banner
conversation,
but
we
do
still
have
in
the
budget.
We
just
had
to
postpone
it
to
replace
the
metal
banners
so
we'll
try
to
get
that
done
this
year.
So
that'll
use
up
some
of
that
surplus.
If
we're
able
to
accomplish
that
and
to
be
clear,
some
of
that
surplus
is
because
we
had
budgeted
for
that
in
a
prior
year.
A
So
and
it's
just
kind
of
been
part
of
that
that
carry
forward
moving
on
well.
G
Mike
michael
before
you
move,
this
is
not
a
actionable
proposal,
but
just
kind
of
a
notion,
an
idea
that
it
wouldn't
be
the
end
of
the
world
to
consider
some
sort
of
reserve
for
an
eventual
complete
cityscape
update.
You
know,
maybe,
when
it's
advantageous
with
things
that
are
happening
on
lowry,
whether
we
just
want
to
fight
the
bullet
in
the
future
or
actually
have
some
sort
of
reserve.
G
I
just
ask
that
people
just
maybe
think
about
it
and
what
is
the
best,
because
I
don't
have
an
answer,
but
I'm
all
in
favor
of
getting
as
much
depreciation
out
of
the
sidewalks
and
all
the
brick
right
now,
and
I
don't
think
that
nicolet
mall
was
a
success
story,
but
we
should
just
kind
of
always
have
that
in
the
back
of
our
mind,.
A
I,
I
would
say
yes,
surplus
funds
or
funds
could
be
set
aside
for
screenscape
improvements
and
this
kind
of
picks
up
on
a
conversation
from
a
few
years
ago,
when
the
district
talked
about
research
redoing
the
paper
boulevard
areas
because
of
the
cost
involved,
meaning
that
the
level
of
investment
that
would
be
necessary
realistically,
what
we're
probably
looking
at
is
a
special
streetscape
assessment
for
a
more
comprehensive
redo
doesn't
have
to
be
that,
but
it's
a
much
more
financially
palatable
way
to
have
those
costs
go
back
to
the
property
owners
because
the
cost
can
be
amortized
over
up
to
15
years.
A
Do
all
the
work
in
one
year
you
know
and
then
pay
for
it
is
a
special
assessment
october.
I
think
it's
15
years
versus,
if
we
do
it
as
part
of
the
ssd
budget,
it
it's
it's
it's
a
huge
financial
thing
to
have
to
sort
of
figure
out
how
we're
covering
so
the
so.
It's
not
that
it
can't
be
done,
and
you
know
stanley
david
did.
The
walk
through
the
favors
are
not
looking
what's
the
way
to
say
it.
F
They
could
use
some
love
and
attention,
it's
called
character.
G
A
No
challenge
to
the
use
of
that
word
in
this
instance
the,
but
just
to
from
the
research
we
did
before,
given
the
dollar
investment
that
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
here,
probably
recall.
Realistically
we're
probably
talking
about
an
indian
streetscape
assessment
project
wow
at
that
university.
G
A
Yeah,
it's
a
good
point:
why
don't
we'll
commit
to
interfacing
with
the
city
project
staff
on
that
and
try
to
get
a
sense
of
what
opportunities
there
may
be
and
where
there
may
be
some
input
from
from
from
the
advisory
board?
That
would
be
helpful
and
or
investment.
How
does
that
sound?
I
just
I
don't
know
enough
and
I'm
familiar
with
the
project.
I
just
don't
know
enough
about
where
it's
at
now
in
the
design
and
construction
process
to
be
able
to
answer
the
question,
no
pun
intended
in
a
concrete
way.
So.
G
I
just
know
this
process
takes
forever
and
then
you
know
the
window
gets
closed
and
it's
too
hard
to
get
any
body
to
move.
So
we
just
gotta
wait
for
the
the
timing
of
it.
H
I
just
want
to
jump
in
really
quick
before
we
head
off
on
the
lowry.
I
am
on
the
advisory,
the
stakeholders
committee
for
the
hennepin
county
and
I
just
had
a
meeting
last
night.
H
H
Their
plans
should
be
appropriately
used,
yet
it's
yet
to
be
determined,
though
they
really
don't
have
a
ton
of
information
that
they're
sharing
about
the
lowry
reconstruction.
That
said,
it
seems
as
if
it's
going
to
be
a
three-lane
when
appropriate
turn
lanes.
It
will
no
longer
be
a
four
lane.
It
will
have
a
probable
shared
use
bike
path
on
the
north
side,
which
is
the
side
of
subway
the
subway
side
and
as
far
as
like
design
choices.
H
All
of
that
has
yet
to
be
determined
again,
it's
kind
of
it's
really.
It
feels
unorganized
to
me,
but
there
is
a
task
force,
they
are
sort
of
communicating
and
they
are
starting
to
talk
to
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
mndot,
specifically
about
central
avenue
and
how
that
all
is
going
to
work.
So
it
is
not
too
late
to
start
thinking
about
trying
to
tie
in
central,
but
it
might
be
too
early
as
well.
H
So
if
you
guys
have
want
more
information,
I
can
try
to
give
you
more
information,
but
we
should
do
it
outside
in
another
meeting.
So
I
am,
I
am
on
that
committee,
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
thanks.
A
In
our
remaining
time
here
of
this,
we
included
in
the
pack
at
a
draft
2023
budget.
So
this
would
be
your
budget
for
next
year.
This
is
the
meeting
that
we
are
looking
for
the
group
to
make
a
budget
recommendation
for
next
year.
After
going
back
and
looking
at
the
2021
expenses
and
where
we
actually
landed,
we
were
comfortable,
at
least
in
drafts,
subject
to
the
group's
conversation
and
any
modifications
comfortable
with
coming
in
with
effectively
a
flat
budget
and
essentially
the
same
budget
as
2022.
A
I
would
just
note,
though,
that
we
you,
you
know,
as
we've
been
talked
about
a
number
of
things
here
there
other
than
snow,
which
is
the
big
variable.
There
isn't
a
lot
of
other
leeway
if
you
want
to
keep
the
same
program
in
terms
of
services
that
you
have
with
that
comments.
A
So
it
does
not
include
additional
money,
but
you
could
probably
for
2023,
still
stay
with
this
twenty
four
thousand
dollar
that
that
or
excuse
me,
this
ten
thousand
dollar
number
it
once
they're
in
place.
Basically,
we
could
use
some
of
this
year's
surplus
to
buy
the
the
planters,
but
going
forward.
This
is
probably
going
to
be
a
line
item
that
we're
going
to
want
to
look
at
increasing.
C
A
H
E
This
is
john,
I
think
the
budget
staying
at
the
same
amount
as
last
year
sounds
good.
I
E
A
Is
there
a
second
catherine?
Thank
you
any
further
discussion
on
the
motion
to
adopt
the
2023
budget
and
work
plan
recommendation
as
drafted
now
I
will
call
the
role
board
members.
When
I
say
your
name,
please
indicate
your
vote.
Catherine.
B
E
A
G
A
Patty
hi,
I
think
joe,
had
to
leave
very
good
that
draft
of
budget
that
motion
is
adopted.
This
will
be
your
2023
budget,
how
we
presume,
unless
there's
further
conversation,
that
you'd
want
to
keep
the
service
charge
methodology
as
it
currently
is,
which
is
a
function
of
the
printage
like
all
prior
years
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
in
the
fall
advance
notice
of
that
public
hearing
will
be
mailed
to
all
the
property
owners,
along
with
their
proposed
service
charge
amount
and
the
draft
proposed
operating
plan
for
2023.
A
So
everything
else
will
happen.
Just
like
it's
happened
in
the
past.
The
one
change
of
course
this
year,
as
we
assuming
the
current
approach,
stays
the
same.
That
public
hearing
will
be
back
to
in
person
before
the
city
council,
a
small
pursuit
of
win
anything
else.
The
group
would
like
to
cover
before
we
conclude
here.