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From YouTube: August 24, 2022 Public Health & Safety Committee
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The
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
quorum
with
that.
The
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
before
us.
I
know
that
there
are
a
number
of
members-
a
number
of
community
members
here
today
to
discuss
item
one,
so
I
will
take
up
the
proposed
consent
agenda.
First
thereafter,
there
are
five
items
on
today's
consent
agenda
item.
One
is
confirming
an
appointment
to
the
public
health
advisory
committee
item
three
is
authorizing
the
joint
powers
agreement
with
the
state
of
minnesota
pollution
control
agency
for
air
monitoring
services.
A
Item
4
is
accepting
an
additional
grant
from
the
minnesota
department
of
health
for
the
safer
sex
intervention
project
item
5
is
accepting
a
grant
from
the
national
association
of
county
and
city
officials
for
emergency
preparedness
for
homelessness
hygiene
item
six
is
amending
a
resolution
from
the
national
association
of
county
and
city
officials
for
overdose
and
suicide
prevention.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
these
items.
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All
right,
chair,
vita
vice
chair,
payne,
council
members,
I'm
john
kingsbury.
I
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulties.
I
did
stop
in
here
early
and
test
it
out
and
I
still
had
problems.
So
thank
you
for
getting
me
on
the
on
the
way
here,
I'm
here
with
deputy
chief
kathy
waite
and
officer
paul
dow,
and
we
are
part
of
the
mpd
team
that
is
organizing
and
planning
the
unmanned
aerial
vehicle
program
for
the
mpd.
E
Our
program
objective
is
simple:
we
want
to
utilize
technology
to
enhance
our
emergency
response
to
the
public
safety
needs
of
the
city
law
enforcement
agencies
across
the
state
and
across
the
country
have
utilized
this
technology
to
great
benefit.
For
the
last
several
years.
Most
programs
are
expanding
or
departments
that
don't
have
programs
are
implementing
them
right
now.
E
Importantly
too,
is
responding
to
active
emergencies.
We
see
uavs
as
providing
us
the
opportunity
to
get
the
most
information
possible
to
decision
makers
in
a
real-time
manner.
Having
that
information
is
important
for
the
leaders
of
the
police
department
and
the
city
to
have
to
make
the
correct
decisions.
E
There
are
often
blind
spots
in
these
situations.
We
cannot
always
put
an
officer
into
a
certain
location
because
it's
too
dangerous
to
gather
the
information.
We
need
to
make
the
right
decisions,
and
sometimes
we
can't
put
an
officer
into
a
location
because
it's
physically
impossible,
whether
it's
a
tall
building
or
terrain
underneath
a
bridge,
for
example,
using
this
technology,
will
mitigate
these
blind
spots
and
give
us
the
information
we
need
for
those
decision
makers.
E
What
this
program
is
not,
it
is
not
a
surveillance
program.
Please
understand
that,
despite
what
we
see
on
tv
or
in
the
movies,
or
even
on
the
news,
that's
not
what
this
is,
as
I
stated
before,
this
program
is
set
to
respond
to
emergencies
and
public
safety
needs,
there's
no
random
surveillance
involved.
With
this
any
surveillance
is
subject
to
state
statute
and
a
search
warrant,
there's
also
no
active
surveillance
that
will
be
you
utilized
with
this
technology
and
by
active
surveillance.
E
I
mean
drones
up
in
the
sky
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
watching
everybody,
that's
not
what
this
is.
These
are
commercially
available:
drones,
they're,
not
military
grade
they're,
not
predator
drones,
they're
things
that
any
of
us
in
this
room
can
go
by
on
our
own.
The
technology
has
advanced
that
far,
but
again,
not
military.
This
is
not
a
surveillance
program.
E
Something
that
might
put
that
into
perspective
a
little
bit
is
that
in
2021
there
were
only
four
uses
out
of
over
2200
of
uavs
by
law
enforcement
agencies
in
minnesota,
that
involved
surveillance
aspects
and
in
2020
there
were
none.
So
I
think
that
emphasizes
the
point
that
law
enforcement
has
found.
Multiple
needs
beyond
surveillance
for
this
technology.
E
E
E
This
is
a
proposed
policy.
What
we
have
posted
online
is
was
developed
by
looking
at
current
policies
that
other
departments
have
across
the
state,
taking
into
consideration
state
law,
constitutional
law,
as
well
as
input
from
organizations
that
have
put
out
opinions
such
as
the
aclu.
This
is
ongoing.
This
is
part
of
the
process
for
us
to
finalize
the
policy
and
again
it
is
not
finalized.
E
Yet
we
will
take
all
what
is
said
into
consideration,
evaluate
it
and
incorporate
it
into
the
policy
if
it's
appropriate,
not
only
public
comment
here,
but
outside
organizations
have
volunteered
their
opinions.
In
fact,
I
believe
the
mayor
and
the
commissioner
have
met
with
the
aclu
to
get
their
opinion
on
our
current
draft
policy.
E
A
couple
things
about
our
policy,
though,
that
we
should
point
out
in
its
current
draft
form.
One
thing
that
we
have
added
is
quarterly
reports
to
the
chief
of
police,
so
she
knows
how
and
what
the
program
is
being
used
for.
In
addition
to
that,
too,
is
the
level
of
oversight
as
far
as
deployment
uavs
cannot
be
deployed
unless
the
commander
of
special
operations
or
deputy
chief
or
above
authorizes
it
so
right.
E
E
E
E
In
addition
to
that,
too,
data
prior
data
that
is
gathered
which
for
us
would
likely
be
mostly
video,
must
be
deleted
with
seven
days
unless
it
is
part
of
a
active
criminal
investigation,
and
it's
important
to
note,
too
that
the
statute
specifies
specific
remedies
they
put
into
the
statute,
basically
an
exclusionary
rule,
meaning
that
any
data
or
information
gathered
with
a
uav
in
violation
of
the
statute
cannot
be
used
for
any
criminal,
civil
or
administrative
proceeding.
It's
pretty
clear-cut.
E
A
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Do
any
of
my
colleagues
have
questions
vice
chair,
payne.
J
E
So,
as
far
as
narrowing
the
use
like,
I
said,
our
our-
what
we
want
to
use
these
uavs
for
is
a
response
to
public
safety
needs
and
surveillance
is
a
very
low
aspect
of
that
or
very
low
use
that
we
see
for
that.
As
far
as
a
search
warrant,
the
search
warrant
requirements
are
just
like
any
other
search
warrant
as
far
as
showing
probable
cause,
basically
a
fair
probability
of
the
evidence
that
assad
is
going
to
be
where
we
believe
it's
going
to
be
a
couple
limitations
with
this.
E
These
particular
search
warrants
that
are
listed
in
the
statute
is
that
they
are
sealed,
but
after
they're
unsealed
at
a
maximum
of
90
days,
the
subject
of
that
search
warrant
must
be
notified,
that
this
happened
so
any
covert
surveillance
that
happens
and
the
subject
of
that.
That
might
not
know
what
was
going
on
will
be
notified
no
later
than
90
days
by
the
judge.
J
K
Thank
you,
chair
vita.
I
just
had
a
quick
question:
can
you
provide
or
go
back
to
the
slide
where
it
kind
of
outlines?
You
know
the
policy
parameters,
because
I
think
the
the
biggest
issue
right
now
is
the
fear
of
compliance
with
the
policy
and
just
using
the
example
that
was
raised
in
the
mdhr
mdhr
findings,
where
you
know
we
didn't
even
have
an
issue
with
drones.
We
had
an
issue
of
officers
using
facebook.
K
Outside
of
you
know
the
identified
parameters
to
still
do
surveillance
on
black
and
brown
leaders
and
residents.
So
I
think,
there's
a
heightened
concern
of
we
might
have
these
policies
in
place,
but
there's
not
execution
in
following
it
and
that's
already
being
documented
in
the
mdhr
findings
and
also
there's
nothing.
K
We
haven't
allowed
space
for
the
consent
decree
process
to
happen
so
that
we
can
actually
have
a
legal,
binding
document
that
enforces
that
that
compliance.
So
can
you
actually
speak
to
how
you
see
the
consent
decree
process,
helping
helping
strengthen
you,
all's
compliance
with
some
of
these
policies
that
you
have
in
place
related
to
all
sorts
of
I'm
going
to
frame
this
as
surveillance.
It
might
not
be
the
the
intention
in
this
usage,
but
that's
how
it
ends
up
being
utilized.
E
E
Decrees
because,
like
you,
said
we're
very
early
in
the
process,
my
understanding
is
that
it
would
add
another
level
of
I
guess
auditing,
maybe
would
be
a
better
way
of
putting
it
an
independent
group
looking
at
the
uav
usage
outside
of
department
members,
so
I
think
that
should
add
some
a
feeling
of
trust
with
them
and
then,
if
there
is
something
there
with
the
data,
they
see
that
they
will
call
attention
to
it
and
then,
through
the
consent,
decree
or
department
policy,
see
that
there
are.
You
know,
accountability
see
that
there
is
accountability.
K
And
I
don't
know
if
this
is
also
identified.
I
know
we
just
had
an
update
on
our
discipline
matrix.
Do
we
know
if
there's
kind
of
what
is
the
consequences
of
violating?
You
know
these,
these
compliance
measures
that
you
have
in
place?
What
what
is
the
consequence,
if
you
do
find
someone
that
a
officer
that
has
misused
you
know
these
drones
as
saying
with
facebook
kind
of
what
are
the
consequences
to
be
expected
by
mpd
leadership
or
mayor
frye,
who
has
oversight
authority
over
mpd.
E
So,
as
far
as
the
consequences,
because
this
is
a
draft
policy,
we
have
not
defined
what
level
of
violation
that
pertains
to
each
section
of
that
policy,
what
repercussions
there
might
be.
I
will
say
this,
though,
as
with
most
of
our
policy
the
violations
and
the
accountability
that
goes
with.
That
depends
on
the
level
meaning,
for
example,
from
our
proposed
policy.
E
A
police
report
was
not
written
when
it
should
have
been
written,
even
though
the
uav,
the
rest
of
the
uav
policy,
was
followed.
That
would
very
likely
be
a
lesser
offense,
so
to
speak
than
if
a
police
report
were
not
written
and
the
uav
use
was
not
authorized
by
one
of
the
six
people
that
I
mentioned
and
state
law
was
violated.
I
can
see
that
as
being
a
very,
very
substantial
penalty
with
that.
K
E
E
I
I
couldn't
tell
you,
but
it's
going
to
be
several
weeks
down
the
road
because,
like
I
said,
we
want
to
evaluate
all
the
input
that
we're
getting
not
only
from
the
group
that's
here
today,
but
what
was
submitted
online
as
well
as
the
groups
that
the
mayor
and
the
commissioner
have
met
with
already
okay.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lieutenant
kingsbury.
In
my
conversations
with
concerned
parties
about
this
kind
of
technology
purchase,
there's
significant
concern
on
the
surveillance
end,
particularly
in
lawful
assembly,
or
concern
around
targeting,
based
on
characteristics
right,
some
of
which
have
race
implications,
and
we
don't.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
equitable
in
in
how
we
would
use
such
a
thing.
But
when
I
read
through
the
policy,
the
visual
observer
requirement
really
eliminates
some
of
those
concerns.
L
I
think,
but
could
you
talk
just
a
little
bit
more
about
the
visual
observer
requirement
in
the
use
of
a
drone
by
mpd,
because
I
think
it's
important
for
people
who
are
concerned
about
surveillance?
Yes,.
J
J
I
also
want
to
know
how
do
we
continue
to
incorporate
feedback
and
adjust
this
policy
as
as
collins,
member
onesies
asking
you
know
what
what
should
be
the
right
thresholds
for
discipline
if
there
is
misuse?
What
should
those
different
layers
of
discipline
be
in
those
scenarios?
But
then
how
do
we
also
incorporate
community
feedback,
as
we
see
it
in
the
field
and
see
what's
working
and
not
working?
Are
we
going
to
have
a
quarterly
opportunity
to
get
that
feedback,
or
how
might
we
adjust
this
policy
going
forward.
E
So,
as
far
as
far
as
policy
adjustments
going
forward,
I
see
it
as
going
as
most
policy
adjustments
in
the
sense
that
we
are
constantly
evaluating
and
unless
there's
a
specific
incident
that
causes
us
to
look
at
the
policy
we
just
monitor.
What's
going
on
with
best
practices
across
the
nation
across
the
metropolitan
area,
law
changes,
case,
law
changes
and
adjust
as
we
go
as
far
as
public
opinion.
E
I
think
forums
such
as
this,
as
well
as
the
mpd
comment
page
itself,
are
good
avenues
to
put
those
opinions
forward
and,
as
far
as
a
quarterly
report,
the
quarterly
report
right
now,
the
way
the
draft
policy
is
written
would
go
to
the
chief
of
police,
but
as
far
as
what
you
know
is
done
with
it.
After
that,
it's
it's
a
public
record
just
like
the
the
report
to
the
state
each
year.
So
that's
something
you
would
all
have
access
to.
I
believe.
E
M
I
do
want
to
make
sure
councilmember
rainville's
not
getting
lost
in
the
shuffle.
I
think
I've
seen
his
tag
up,
but
I
will
I'm
happy
to
go.
I'm
sorry,
it's
all
good,
I
so,
first
in
terms
of
getting
feedback,
you
know
you
mentioned
that
the
final
policy
is
several
weeks
out
in
terms
of
drafting.
M
So
in
some
ways
people
here
today
are
going
to
be
responding
to
a
policy
that
may
not
be
finalized
or
that
may
be
subject
to
significant
change
and
partially
maybe
having
to
you
know,
testify
on
the
very
concept
of
drones
in
general.
Do
you
all
plan
to
come
back
to
this
forum?
Have
more
public
hearings
and
as
the
policy
solidifies.
E
As
far
as
the
policy
not
being
finalized
and
people
responding
to
its
current
version,
state
law
requires
that
that
is
posted.
So
once
the
policy
is
finalized,
it
will
be
posted
and
likely
for
us
we'll
post
it
separately
in
a
conspicuous
place
on
the
website,
not
just
in
our
regular
full
department
policy,
so
there
will
be
access
to
it.
After,
like
I
said,
the
ongoing
comments
should
continue
through
the
normal
mechanisms
that
people
use.
M
Specifically,
I
think
it
is
a
good
place
for
people
to
be
heard
more
directly,
as
opposed
to
just
written
word
or
submitting
a
comment,
and
so
you
know
it's
something
that
I'm
happy
to
engage
in
and
engage
the
chair
in,
because
that's
it's
the
discretion
as
well,
but
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
good
to
to
come
back
to
this
forum
a
few
more
times
as
the
policy
gets
solidified,
so
that
people
can
respond
to
whatever
the
final
policy
ends
up.
M
Looking
like
the
other
question
that
I
had
was
around
kind
of
around
accountability
and
checks
and
balances
as
well.
I
know
that
you
know
there
are
instances
in
everyday
police
work
in
which
an
officer
might
engage
someone
for
one
reason
and
end
up
charging
that
person
for
a
different
crime
right.
I'm
thinking
of
the
famous
terry
v
ohio
case
that
sort
of
allowed
for
things
like
stop
and
frisk.
M
If
the
use
of
the
drone
is
for
one
thing
and
ends
up
capturing,
something
else
on,
the
video
is,
you
know,
is
that
are:
can
people
be?
Can
people
expect
to
kind
of
be
subject
to
an
arrest
based
on
things
that
they,
when
they
maybe
weren't
the
original
target,
or
maybe
whatever
it
was?
You
were
looking
for
you
end
up
finding
something
else.
Can
people
sort
of
anticipate
that
kind
of
thing
with
this
drone
program?
I.
E
I
would
see
that
as
being
a
very
rare
circumstance,
and
that
would
be
something
to
defer
to
the
city
attorney
or
the
head
of
a
county
attorney,
because
on
how
the
how
the
evidence
was
obtained
might
be
considered
to
violate
the
state
statute
and
therefore
it
could
not
be
used.
The
other
aspect
of
that,
too,
is
that,
unless
whatever
data
we
gather
is
part
of
a
current
investigation,
it's
gone
after
seven
days
maximum
of
seven
days,
I
should
say.
E
M
I
I
bring
that
up
just
because
I
know
that
you
know
often
when
it
comes
to
things
like
stop
and
frisk
and
and
and
you
know
the
the
ohio
case.
Often
it
was
you
know,
well
we're
searching
for
guns,
we
didn't
find
any,
but
hey
this
person
had
marijuana
or
this
person
had,
and
that
kind
of
thing
perpetuating
this
cycle
of
you
know
race
and
equity
in
our
criminal
justice
system
that
I
don't
think
we
want
to
replicate
with.
You
know,
increases
in
technology.
M
E
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
lieutenant,
thank
you
for
your
very
clear
and
concise
presentation,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
you
if
all
council
members
could
get
a
copy
of
that
powerpoint
sent
to
us.
Yes,
thank
you
and
I
do
have
a
question.
Could
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
what
other
departments
are?
There
are
70
agencies
in
this
state
that
used
this
technology.
E
About
76,
we
made
a
report
to
the
bca
last
year.
I
think
it
was
93
and
2020..
I
don't
understand
the
reason
for
discrepancy
in
those
numbers,
but
again
agencies
are
only
required
to
report
when
they
use
one
of
the
exceptions
under
the
statute
and
not
a
search
warrant.
So
so
that's
what
I
know
and
as
far
as
the
metropolitan
area,
currently
new
brighton
and
I
believe,
maple
grove
are
going
through
the
same
process.
We
are
golden
valley,
the
hennepin
county,
sheriff's
office,
anoka,
county
sheriff's
office,
plymouth,
police
department,
dakota
county.
C
Thank
you,
and
could
you
just
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
about
the
the
typical
use
why
it
helps
the
police
department.
E
The
biggest
help
that
I
see
is
that
emergency
response
or
that
ongoing
response
when
a
critical
incident-
and
I
don't
mean
critical
incident
in
the
one
sense-
I
mean
something
extreme
and
getting
that
information
in
real
time
to
the
decision
makers.
The
deputy
chiefs
myself,
the
mayor
even
for
that
matter,
on
how
to
respond,
because,
as
we've
seen
over
the
years,
the
more
information
we
have,
the
better
decisions
we
can
make
and
what
this
does
is.
C
What
an
example
then
be
in
in
the
ward,
I
represent
a
lot
of
people
fall
or
jump
in
the
river
there's
a
lot
of
river
west
rescues.
Would
that
be.
E
It
allows
us
to
get
access
to
places
and
see
things
that
we
normally
couldn't
do
and
quickly
as
well.
You
know
getting
a
drone
out
there
to
fly
over
the
river
to
start
to
search
for
somebody
that
needs
help
can
happen
much
more
quickly
than
the
hennepin
county
sheriff's
office
or
the
fire
department
get
the
boat
on
the
river
and
start
to
look
right.
A
E
We
haven't
got
that
far
as
far
as
what
the
specific
budget
limitations
are,
but
from
what
we've
seen
out
there
and
and
the
prices
that
exist,
we're
probably
looking
at
about
30
to
40
thousand
dollars
per
drone.
No,
no,
no
man,
all
the
all
the
equipment
they
come
in.
Different
shapes
sizes
costs
everything
from
ones
that
are
seven
hundred
dollars
up
to
thousands
of
dollars.
Okay,.
A
E
Yes,
so
outside
of
the
the
committee
which
currently
right
now
involves
two
sergeants,
a
lieutenant,
an
officer
myself
and
then
deputy
chief
wait.
Not
necessarily
all
those
people
will
be
trained
in
this,
but
we
are
looking
probably
for
a
core
of
six
to
ten
and
that's
rough.
A
rough
estimate
right
now,
because
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
get
the
program
up
and
running
with
officers
that
already
have
their
pilot
certification.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
again,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
the
questions
right
now,
I'm
going
to
proceed
to
the
public
hearing.
I
understand
that
we
have
probably
well
over
20
people
signed
up
to
speak
at
this
point.
If
you
did
not
sign
up
yet
and
you
wish
to
speak,
please
go
see
the
clerk
and
do
so
I'll
ask
when
you,
when
you're
called
up
I'll,
ask
that
you
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
keep
your
comments
to
two
minutes.
A
Please,
the
timer
by
the
clerk
will
show
you
how
much
time
you
have
remaining
I'll
go
through
the
list
of
speakers
as
I've
received
them.
Please
forgive
me
in
advance.
If
I
mess
up
your
name,
I'm
going
to
try
my
best
to
get
it
right.
If
I
don't
know
how
to
pronounce
it
I'll
just
use
a
letter
that
way
it
doesn't
get
too
bad
right.
A
So
thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
patience
and
the
first
person
we
have
signed
up
to
speak
is
conrad
zabowski
and
then
after
conrad
is
joe
tamborino,
so
conrad,
will
you
please
step
up
and
state
your
name
for
the
record.
H
H
But
at
the
same
time
we
need
counsel
to
take
concrete
steps
to
protect
our
fundamental
constitutional
rights
so
to
fill
in
the
gaps
in
state
law.
Of
course,
mpd
had
presented
as
part
of
their
presentation
that
there
is
state
statute
over
remote
reconnaissance
uavs,
but
that
does
not
go
to
all
types
of
remote
reconnaissance,
including
ground
reconnaissance,
think
of
the
little
ones
with
wheels
that
can
go
inside
a
place
where
there's
a
hostage
situation
or
something
like
that.
Those
are
also
data.
Privacy
concerns
as
well.
H
So
all
minneapolis
agencies
should
have
clear
lines
of
authority
and
accountability
for
reconnaissance
and
data
privacy
councils
should
work
on
data
privacy
practices,
as
happened
in
the
last
couple
years,
with
data
privacy
for
I'll
call
it
written
communication,
but
also
things
like
as
simple
as
when
a
traffic
agent
takes
a
picture
of
your
car.
So
thank
you.
N
N
If
you
go
to
even
the
aclu's
website
what
it
clearly
says,
it
makes
recommendation
on
the
uses
of
uav
and
it
says
they
should
be
used
in
emergency
situations
or
when
there
are
specific
and
articulable
grounds
to
believe
that
drone
will
collect
evidence
relating
to
a
specific
criminal
act.
That's
called
reasonable
suspicion.
It's
already
in
the
statute.
It
clearly
states.
That's
when
there's
reasonable
suspicion
of
a
particular
criminal
activity.
You
can
use
a
drone,
it's
constitutional,
because
these
drones
are
recording
things
in
the
public
realm.
N
You
can
ask
your
city
attorney
as
soon
as
everyone
or
one
person
in
this
building
goes
out
on
fourth
street:
that's
a
public
street.
We
could
video
each
other.
We
could
take
pictures
of
each
other.
Our
expectation
of
privacy
is
severely
diminished
when
we're
in
the
public
realm
not
like
in
your
apartment
or
in
your
condo
or
in
your
home,
but
when
you're
on
the
street,
you
can
be
videoed.
N
That's
why
in
many
magazines
we
see
celebrities
and
stars
being
taken,
pictures
of
and
videos
as
they're
coming
out
of
restaurants
and
clubs
or
getting
into
cars.
It's
a
hundred
percent
legal
number,
two,
it's
good
for
public
safety
and
two
grounds.
Sometimes
police
can't
get
to
a
situation
in
an
emergency
as
fast
as
a
drone
can
july
4th
that
evening
was
a
very
violent
evening
in
minneapolis.
In
my
neighborhood
we
basically
had
riots
near
the
stone
arch
bridge.
N
There
were
shootings
going
on
in
gold
medal
park
on
2nd
street
and
on
my
street,
people
were
being
shot
at
with
commercial
grade
fireworks
and
at
buildings.
At
the
same
time,
there
were
seven
people
being
shot
at
boom
island
park.
One
woman
was
shot
in
the
neck,
so
the
police,
who
are
already
stretched,
then
were
concentrating
on
boom
island
and
we
were
hard
to
get
to
now.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
council
members.
My
name
is
amity
foster
and
I
live
in
ward
3
in
the
sheridan
neighborhood
minneapolis
police
department
is
abusive
and
incompetent.
The
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
found
this
to
be
true
and
that's
why
the
city
is
going
through
a
consent
decree
process.
O
The
mayor
has
full
control
over
mpd
and
building
out
a
drone
program,
instead
of
leading
on
the
consent
decree
process
with
the
state
to
make
real
changes.
His
priorities
are
not
the
community
they're
the
status
quo
and
they
are
quick
fixes
that
won't
do
anything
to
reform
a
broken
public
safety
system.
Thank
you.
P
P
They
include
bullets,
they
include
hovering
helicopters
and
I
don't
need
the
addition
of
drones
as
well.
If
I've
had
any
belief
or
trust
that
it
would
increase
public
safety,
I
would
have
a
different
opinion,
but
instead,
I
believe
additional
surveillance
will
lead
to
additional
raids,
the
potential
for
arrest
and
more
mass
incarceration
of
african-american
latino
native
american
other
people
of
color.
P
I
think
that
timing
is
everything
so
with
with
a
consent,
decree
that
puts
some
sort
of
checks
and
balances
and
some
sort
of
monitoring
of
police
accountability
once
that
public
trust
has
been
reestablished,
then
maybe
I
don't
know
some
sort
of
monitored
use
of
drones.
I
was
in
brooklyn
new
york
a
few
years
ago
for
an
international
african
art
fair.
P
Q
Absolutely
so
my
name
is
john
lafontaine,
I'm
a
resident
in
ward
10..
I
am
here
to
echo
the
concerns
made
by
council
member
wansley,
I'm
here
to
echo
the
concerns
made
by
kolnice.
I,
too
do
not
feel
that
having
drones
in
our
neighborhoods
is
an
effective
use
of
our
resources.
Q
Nor
do
I
think
that
it's
effectively
what
the
focus
should
be
on
we've
as
council
member
wansley
stated
and,
as
is
clear
and
transparent,
evidence-based
research
that
is
available
to
members
of
the
general
public.
It's
crystal
clear
that
mpd
has
already
engaged
in
patterns
and
practices
of
racial
discrimination,
including
surveillance
against
black
leaders
and
black
activists
and
people
of
color.
There
were
two
situations
that
happened
in
my
neighborhood.
Q
One
situation
was
a
domestic
altercation
that
I
was
suddenly
caught
in
the
middle
of.
We
did
not
feel
safe
to
call
mpd
in
that
situation.
Another
situation
was
when
someone
opened
up
fire
with
an
assault
rifle
at
a
neighborhood
at
a
house
right
across
the
street
from
me,
and
I
have
a
hard
time
seeing
how
drones
would
be
helpful
in
either
of
those
situations
unless
they
were
imposing
on
our
civil
rights
to
just
privately
do
what
we
want
to
do
in
our
day-to-day
lives.
Q
And
so
I
do
think
that
the
focus
should
be
primarily
placed
on
the
consent
decree
process.
I
think
we
should
focus
on
ensuring
that
mpd
stops
lying
and
spying
on
residents.
I
think
we
should
focus
on
ensuring
that
not
only
that
occurs,
but
also
that
we
invest
in
alternatives
to
public
safety,
such
as
behavioral
crisis
responders.
The
team
that's
been
established
is
a
good
step
in
the
right
direction,
and
we
need
more
of
that.
Q
I
also
think
we
need
clear-cut
discipline
for
mpdn
to
stop
coaching
and
I
finally,
I
have
to
say
I
think
we
deserve
to
stop
having
incompetent
policing,
because
that
murder
case
still
has
not
been
solved
and
it
is
still
terrifying
and
we
deserve
to
be
safe
from
both
the
situations
that
are
occurring
from
the
violence.
That
is
occurring
in
our
communities
and
from
the
violence
that
is
occurring
at
the
hands
of
the
police
department.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you.
A
R
Hello,
I'm
emmanuel
bio,
I
use
nathan,
oh
they
he
pronouns
and
I
live
in
ward
4.
and
I'm
here
today
to
testify
against
the
use
of
drones
in
the
police
department.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
seen
is
a
lack
of
trust
within
community
members
and
community
citizens
with
the
police
and
the
fact
that
that
is
not
the
focus.
R
The
focal
point
of
what
is
what
is
needing
to
be
done
within
the
police
department
is
kind
of
sad
and
so
to
see
a
corrupt,
to
see
record
of
a
corrupt
police
department.
Ask
for
more
opportunities
to
be
corrupt
is
terrifying
as
a
president
of
minneapolis,
seeing
how
often
that
black
and
brown
teenagers,
and
especially
black
around
people
in
general,
are
utilized
as
blood
basically
to
spray
across,
and
I
also
want
to
kind
of
provide
clarity
on
where
these
drones
might
be
utilized.
R
As
someone
who
lives
in
ward
4,
I
can
see
these
being
kind
of
vacant.
I
mean
see
these
being
used
very
often
within
the
ward,
seeing
the
ideas
of
crime
within
word
for
it,
and
also,
I
think
we
should
take
in
consideration
that
police
has
a
very
high
record
of
spying
and
lying
against
citizens
of
minneapolis,
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
S
I
don't
need
to
explain
why
and
how
public
trust
in
mpd
has
deteriorated
in
recent
years,
especially
since
may
25th
2020.
right
now.
In
my
view,
the
last
thing
we
need
is
to
exacerbate
the
already
strained
relations
between
mpd
and
the
citizens
of
minneapolis
by
introducing
technology
that
carries
vast
potential
for
abuse,
with
little
to
no
real,
meaningful
public
input
or
oversight.
S
To
me,
this
move
heightens
the
sense
of
antagonism
between
police
and
the
public
and
further
undermines
public
trust
in
the
police
and
the
city
government.
I've
looked
at
the
draft
policy
on
the
face
of
it.
It
sounds
reasonable
with
safeguards
built
in,
but
do
we
trust
npd
to
abide
by
that?
No,
we
I
at
least
and
many
others-
do
not
I'm
not
worried
about
uav's
technology
itself,
but
it
is
powerful
and
relatively
new,
and
I
am
concerned
about
mpd's
ability
to
use
it
appropriately
without
infringing
on
the
rights
of
minneapolis
citizens.
S
T
T
We
are
fearful
of
the
police,
they
do
not
protect
and
they
definitely
do
not
serve
and
instead
of
taking
drones,
they
need
to
have
places
where
young
people
can
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
have
some
place
to
go
something
to
do
besides
stand
on
the
corner
and
get
in
trouble
be
approached
by
minneapolis
police
and
also
taking
doing
things
to
to
harm
them.
I
I'm
very
concerned
with
young
people
and
where
they
should
can
go
to
do
art,
learn
how
to
cook
learn
to
do
things.
T
Besides
stand
on
the
corner
and
be
approached
by
the
broken
police
department,
I
am
very
against
having
drones
in
my
neighborhood,
like
I
said,
we
are
feel
free
of
the
police,
and
so
that's
why
I
feel
like
we.
We
shouldn't
have
added
tools
for
them
to
use
against
us.
So
again,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
have
a
good
day.
A
U
Hi
I'm
paul
indragetti
yeah,
I
echo,
but
just
about
everybody
has
said
I'm
vastly
against
this.
U
Now,
if
this
was
a
discussion
about
giving
forty
thousand
dollars
to
the
fire
department
to
fly
drones
to
help
save
people's
lives
like
they're,
stating
it
would
be
in
an
instant,
take
it
from
the
police
department,
give
it
to
the
fire
department
because
they
actually
serve
and
protect
people,
they
don't
terrorize
them.
This
is
clearly
just
going
to
lead
towards
the
state
becoming
more
oppressive
towards
its
citizens,
using
the
police
as
that
mechanism.
U
If
the
police
were
serious
about
this
proposal
and
cared
anything
about
what
we
were
going
to
say,
they
would
have
come
with
detailed
plans
on
discipline.
They
would
have
told
us
how
this
oversight
committee,
a
public
oversight
committee,
was
composed
of
the
places
that
are
most
often
detrimentally
affected
by
police
brutality.
They
would
have
come
with
all
of
that
prepared,
but
instead
they've
come
with
none
of
that
prepared
and
wanting
us
to
speak
on
a
half-baked
policy.
U
V
Yes,
thank
you.
My
name
is
manira
mohammed.
I
am
in
war
10
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
safety,
not
surveillance.
So
I
want
to
begin
by
saying:
we've
been
organizing
for
this
whole
month.
The
moment
that
we
heard
that
mpd
had
a
proposal
on
drones
out
and
we've
gotten
a
petition
together
with
181
signatures
that
we've
sent
to
all
council
members
and
the
mayor
as
well
as
dr
alexander,
and
then
I
think
I
just
want
to
comment
on
how
this
has
been
done.
V
The
only
thing
that
is
bringing
mpd
to
the
public
right
now,
the
only
reason
they
have
a
proposal
is
because
of
an
aclu
state
law,
making
them
disclose
this
making
them
do
a
public
comment
section,
but
what
we've
seen
across
the
state
is
that
nothing
happens
with
that
public
comment.
They
essentially
carry
on
using
drones
as
they
like,
and
I
think
the
officer
that
was
up
here
gave
the
impression
that
aclu
commented
on
that
proposal.
V
We
did
not
sns
kind
of
organized
and
got
the
attention
of
council
members
and
got
the
attention
of
the
mayor
and
then
gave
our
input.
We
were
not,
you
know
we
did.
They
did
not
come
to
us
for
any
kind
of
input
at
all.
I
also
just
want
to
say
that
if
there
are
legitimate
good
use
cases
for
drones,
we
have
not
been
proven
that
we
have
not
been
proven
what
crimes
they'll
be
used
for
and
that
this
whole
process
is
essentially
backwards.
V
When
we
have
the
report
from
the
human
rights
detailing
surveillance
of
black
leaders,
I
think
you
have
to
ignore
so
much
reality
just
to
get
to
this
moment
to
say
that
it's
all
right
for
mpd
to
have
drones
or
that
this
process
is
democratic
when
it's
anything,
but
thank
you.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
chris
weyland.
I
am
a
penetration
tester
and
the
chair
of
restore
the
fourth
minnesota,
we're
also
sort
of
we're
also
part
of
the
safety
net
surveillance
coalition.
While
I
don't
live
in
minneapolis,
many
of
the
members
of
restore
the
fort
minnesota
do
and
they
share
my
general
concerns
both
with
the
policy
and
with
the
general
proposition
about
mpd
acquiring
and
using
drones.
W
We've
had
productive
conversations
with
a
lot
of
you
and
with
the
mayor
about
our
about
our
concerns
with
the
policy,
and
we
hope
to
continue
those
conversations
and
we
hope
to
talk
about
ways
that
we
can
make
the
policy
better.
But
to
quickly
summarize
you,
you
really
need
to
tighten
the
you
really
need
to
tighten
the
those
warrant
exceptions.
W
I
was
glad
to
hear
that
they
don't
plan
on
using
them
for
surveillance,
but
in
the
policy
as
at
least
in
the
draft
policy
as
written
there's,
nothing
that
would
prevent
them
from
deploying
drones
over
a
park
if
there
was
a
reasonable
suspicion
that
someone
was
breaking
the
quality
of
life
crime,
as
was
done
in
golden
valley
to
fly
drones
over
a
beach
that
was
popularly
used
for
people
sunbathing
naked.
We
really
want
to
deploy
drones
in
those
and
use
them
in
that
way.
I
don't
think
so.
W
The
lieutenant
mentioned
that
the
primary
use
case
would
be
for
emergency
situations,
but
throughout
the
state.
What
we've
seen
is
that
the
most
common
use
of
these
drones
have
actually
been
for
public
relations
and
for
training
purposes.
W
So
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
is:
do
we
want
data
collected
through
most
of
those
use
cases
to
be
used
for
the
prosecution
of
crimes?
I
don't
think
we
do.
The
scope
of
the
data
that's
collected
should
be
limited
to
the
use
of
the
initial
deployment,
there's
a
whole
host
of
other
concerns
that
we
have
with
the
policy
and,
like
I
said,
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
on
them,
but
zooming
out
more
broadly,
I
want
to
say
that
these
drones
are
this.
W
Technology
is
incredibly
powerful
and
that
they're
not
a
panacea
for
a
lack
of
personnel.
A
drone
can't
replace
a
person.
They
can't
take
witness
testimony.
They
can't
cuff
a
suspect
at
least
not
not
yet,
and
the
reason
why
I
consider
drone
technology
such
a
potential
danger
is
because
it
can
be
used
as
a
platform
for
delivering
other
surveillance
technology
and
there's
a
really
strong
need
for
a
much
more
comprehensive
approach
to
the
oversight
and
regulation
of
surveillance
technology,
because
drones
can
be
used
to
deploy
that
other
surveillance
technology.
X
My
name
is
latrell
snyder.
I
live
in
ward
4
and
I'm
horribly
at
public
speaking.
So
let's
hope
I
can
convey
why
I
am
against
drones,
so
for
one
before
it
is
normal
to
see
drones
in
the
sky.
I
want
it
to
be
normal
to
see
a
police
department
that
we
can
trust
and
call
on
before
it's
normal
to
see
drones
in
the
sky.
I
want
to
see,
I
don't
want
to
see
any
police
involved
murders.
X
I
want
to
see
police
using
de-escalation
tactics
when
they
need
to
also,
I
want
to
see
full
transparency
with
the
police
department,
which
means
the
consent
decree,
because
without
that,
how
can
we
trust
a
police
department?
That's
already
been
proven
where
they
we
can't
trust
them.
So
the
minneapolis
reporter
came
out
with
all
this
stuff.
We
already
been
over
this
a
million
times.
They
had
facebook,
spying,
a
lion
taking
stuff
from
people
that
they're
arresting
or
whatever.
So
we
cannot
trust
the
police
department.
X
Minneapolis
police
department's
been
that
way
for
a
very
long
time,
so,
unless
they
can
prove
to
us,
they
have
a
lot
of
proof
proven
to
do
to
us
that
we
can
trust
them
so
with
the
consent
decree
that
would
allow
that
would
probably
put
us
a
little
bit
more
at
ease
because
that
end
is
in
it
to
for
it
to
be
proven
to
work.
The
consent
decree
would
probably
put
us
at
ease,
knowing
that
we
can
have
a
police
department,
that
we
can
trust
and
count
on.
X
So
what
else
did
I
have
here?
That's
pretty
much
it.
Oh.
I
also
want
to
comment
on.
He
said
there
was
no
timeline
for
the
consent
decree,
but
there
was
a
one
to
two
month
timeline
for
drones,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
like
backwards,
so
I
think
that
they
should
pretty
much
get
that
in
order
too.
So
thank
you.
A
X
For
your
time
and
yeah
appreciate
it.
G
Thank
you,
madam
sherman.
I'm
steve
kramer,
I'm
the
president
and
ceo
of
minneapolis
downtown
council
also
a
resident
of
ward
11..
I
am
certain
you
are
hearing
regularly
from
your
constituents
about
the
reality
of
their
public
safety
concerns
and
experiences.
I
can
tell
you
it's
a
daily,
if
not
hourly,
occurrence,
for
our
organization,
interacting
with
companies,
large
and
small,
and
with
people
who
work
live
and
visit
downtown.
G
To
make
progress,
we
need
to
use
every
permissible
tool
available,
including
technology.
This
is
true
in
the
best
of
times,
and
it's
even
more
true
when
we
face
unprecedented
challenges
with
diminished
capacity
to
respond.
That's
what
brings
me
here
today
to
support
mpd's
proposed
use
of
drone
technology
consistent
with
minnesota
statute.
There's
a
reason.
Some
80
agencies,
including
law
enforcement,
have
begun
to
use
tech.
G
Y
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
lucy
holland.
I
have
lived
in
ward
10
for
years
and
I
work
in
downtown
minneapolis.
I
am
here
today
to
speak
out
against
the
unwarranted
invasion
of
resident
privacy
via
mpd
surveillance
drones.
I
did
see
the
line
in
the
presentation
about
this
is
not
a
surveillance
program.
Surveillance
is
defined
as
close
observation,
especially
as
crowd.
Excuse
me,
especially
of
spies
or
criminals.
I'm
not
sure
what
definition
of
surveillance
npd
is
operating
from
here.
This
hearing
does
little
else
than
present
a
facade
of
accountability.
Y
Mpd
representatives
also
in
attendance
today,
have
already
repeatedly
failed
to
clarify
basic
logistical
personnel
questions
from
council
member
wansley
herself
in
a
prior
session.
If
mpd
is
not
accountable
to
city
council
and
enjoys
broadly
way
under
mayor
fry's
leadership,
what
impact
can
citizens
hope
to
have
surveillance
does
not
create
safety.
Mp
has
an
already
extensively
documented
practice
of
wrongfully
monitoring,
activists
and
protesters.
This
surveillance
would
expansively
increase,
mpd's
capacity
to
maintain
their
predatory
practices.
Y
Business
interests
may
lament
empirically
questionable
crime
rates
and
decrying
the
horrors
of
spray
paint,
but
ultimately
the
council's
responsibilities
to
that
of
the
city
and
its
residents
minimally
regulated
surveillance
burns.
This
entire
populace
chilling
citizen,
engagement
and
dissent
for
the
purported
benefit
of
catching
a
few
alleged
shoplifters
or
car
thieves.
The
exceptions
to
this
proposal
swallow
the
rule.
It
does
not
matter
if
you
have
extensive
exceptions
when
mpd
can
contort
around
them
to
access
drones
at
their
slightest
swim.
In
closing,
I
reiterate,
surveillance
does
not
create
safety.
Thank
you.
Thank.
Z
Hello,
my
name
is
donald
bystrom.
I
am
going
to
build
upon
the
idea
that
surveillance
doesn't
create
safety
and
another
idea
proposed
earlier
that
the
public
may
not
trust
minneapolis
police
department,
but
we
would
be
totally
fine
if
minneapolis
fire
department
had
drones,
and
that
sounds
like
a
silly
idea,
but
I
I
will
get
into
it.
So
the
proposed
drone
program
is
for
ongoing
response
and
surveillance.
Z
It
will
take
time
from
when
a
situation
starts
to
when
you
can
actually
have
the
drone
up
and
running
and
starting
to
surveil,
there
will
have
had
to
be
a
police
officer
on
the
scene
already
so
these
you
know
the
situations
are
going
to
be
the
long
big
situations
and
unsafe
things
that
they
want
to
use
the
drones
for
things
that,
like
the
minneapolis
state
patrol,
currently
uses
the
helicopter,
for
it
would
not
be
for
responding
to
a
911
call
before
an
officer
arrives,
because
you
would
need
that
trained
observer
to
watch
the
drone
physically
and
if
they're,
that
close,
they
might
as
well
respond
to
it
themselves.
Z
So
I
would
say
that
yeah,
you
should
consider
the
use
case
of
either
when,
if
minneapolis
police
department
continues
to
use
drones,
maybe
adding
this
to
your
policy
or
if
the
council
does
decide
to
somehow
limit.
The
use
of
drones
by
minneapolis
police
department
may
be
adding
the
use
of
drones
by
the
minneapolis
department
of
9-1-1
for
emergency
response.
As
a
resident
of
minneapolis,
I
might
feel
more
comfortable
calling
9-1-1.
Z
AA
Good
afternoon
name
is
kimberly
jones,
I'm
a
leader
with
bbcc,
and
I
live
in
ward
5..
I'm
here
today
to
testify
against
giving
drones
to
the
mpd.
As
we
all
know,
the
mpd
has
been
found
by
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
to
be
engaged
in
discrimination,
abuse
and
surveillance
of
our
communities.
AA
AA
That
might
be
helpful.
However,
I
question
what
else
is
at
stake
for
a
community
that
does
not
trust
the
minneapolis
police
department.
I
am
my
neighbor's
right
to
privacy.
That's
at
stake,
policing
without
a
system
of
community
partnership
that
is
at
stake,
a
violation
of
trust
that
is
also
at
stake,
perhaps
the
less
than
40
percent
case.
Closure
rate
is
the
rationalization
for
drones,
but
when
the
police
department
is
both
abusive
and
incompetent
surveillance,
drones
cannot
fix
that
pervasive
issue.
AA
I
believe
that
the
people
of
minneapolis
deserve
to
be
safe
from
violence
in
our
communities,
as
well
as
violence
at
the
hands
of
the
police.
That
is
not
an
issue
that
drones
can
solve.
Only
transparency
and
partnership
can
do
that.
Mayor
frey
should
be
focused
on
reforming
mpd
through
a
strong
consent
decree
instead
of
giving
mpd
more
to
surveil
and
abuse
our
communities
and
the
only
path
to
a
functional
safety
system
is
to
reform
what
is
and
has
been
for
a
long
time
broken
within
the
mpd
through
the
consent
decree
process.
Thank
you
for
listening.
AB
AB
You
have
an
ingrown
culture
here
of
of
the
abuse
and
which
was
clearly
indicated
in
the
report
done
by
the
department
of
human
rights
and,
and
certainly
unless
you
admit
that
that
that
that's
there
by
addressing
a
situation
such
as
for
the
instance
of
the
death
of
melvin
carter,
who
died
while
in
the
custody
of
the
minneapolis
police
department,
his
there's
seems
to
be
a
catholic
approval
based
upon
the
inactions
to
admit,
addressed
in
in
exercise
the
legal
rights,
the
constitutional
rights
of
of
the
individuals
here
and
here
you're,
going
to
give
individuals
the
ability
to
accumulate
that
information.
AB
Well,
we've
seen
this
guy
go
to
this
house.
He
came
into
that
house.
We
even
got
this
ingrown
culture
to
the
idea
of
senator
humphrey,
the
late
senator
humphrey,
his
attempt
to
create
the
same
sort
of
of
just
a
system
as
mayor
frank,
was
derailed
because
of
that
in-grown
culture.
And
if
you
read
the
open
letter
to
the
to
the
to
the
city
council,
it
details
that
and
some
of
the
other
information
has
been
provided
to
each
and
every
lawmaker.
AB
AB
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
on
one
hand,
if
you
address
the
possible
chances
of
the
pain
out
of
the
nose,
on
the
other
hand,
tactical
inaction
or,
as
you
call
it,
a
pre
action
or
reaction,
you'll
find
yourself
in
a
reactionary
position.
If
you
don't
address
the
issues
in
which
I
just
discussed.
Thank.
AC
I'm
also
here,
in
my
capacity
as
a
minneapolis
citizen
and
a
former
resident
of
ms
vitas
ward
until
a
bullet
came
flying
through
my
window
last
halloween
missing
my
head
by
four
feet,
but
hitting
the
part
of
my
brain
where
my
ptsd
lives
and
basically
shattering
my
life.
So
on
as
somebody
with
family
members
who
are
police
and
who
is
a
victim
of
crime,
I
am
very
sympathetic
to
our
police
trying
to
do
the
best
they
can
in
a
city
that
is
a
bit
on
fire.
But
here
is
the
thing.
AC
AC
It
is
unfortunate
that
my
conservative
friends
are
good
on
privacy,
but
often
can't
connect
the
dots
and
it's
unfortunate
that
my
liberal
friends
are
good
on
racial
equity
and
discrimination,
but
don't
understand
how
any
gathering
of
data
that
can
be
correlated
to
protected
statuses,
such
as
race
class,
gender
religion,
who
you
vote
for
who
you
associate
with
what
church
you
go
to.
What
race
you
are
doesn't
accidentally
become
discrimination
it
by
programmed
default
will
become
discrimination.
The
data
to
discrimination
pipeline
must
be
fought
at
every
instance.
AC
This
is
our
moment
to
stand
up
as
a
city.
We
already
did
the
right
thing,
passing
the
statewide
ban
on
warrantless
surveillance.
We
already
did
the
right
thing
banning
racist
facial
recognition.
Technology,
don't
betray
the
work.
The
city
is
doing
ahead
of
the
consent
decree
and
with
the
world
watching
by
rolling
back
our
civil
rights
in
this
completely
frankly
uneducated
process,
because
I'm
a
nerd
with
a
coalition,
an
international
coalition
of
nerds
who
gets
paid
to
study
this
stuff.
You
all,
don't
don't
do
it.
Thank
you.
A
AD
AD
The
second
we
need
to
recognize
just
how
powerful
these
tools
are
through
a
combination
of
powerful
lenses
and
stabilizing
technologies.
These
things
can
just
go
out
on
the
street
and
look
directly
into
your
house
and
see
your
entire
house.
The
doctrine
of
plain
view
means
absolutely
nothing
if
we
allow
this
there's
no
need
for
a
search
fortune.
They
can
just
go
outside
and
look
and
see
everything
that
is
in
your
house.
That
is
very,
very
scary.
AD
D
Yeah,
my
name
is
lucia
bennett,
and
I
want
to
echo
the
points
that
I
think
most
people
here
that
are
not
okay.
With
this
drone
program,
I
feel
a
little
bit
like
we're
all
just
talking
at
a
wall,
because
it's
very
clear
that
the
police
are
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
what
they
want
with
this
program.
D
I
think
their
claims
that
there's
not
going
to
be
surveillance
and
that
there
will
be
transparency
with
this
program
are
pretty
laughable
in
light
of
their
behavior
over
the
last
few
decades
in
the
entire
history
of
this
city,
and
I
also
basically
just
want
to
say
that
the
reason
that
there
are
that
there's,
a
community
trust
issue
is
because
the
police
keep
murdering
and
incarcerating
people
who
shouldn't
be
murdered
or
incarcerated.
D
D
A
AE
They
put
on
all
kinds
of
seminars
and
conferences
on
drones
that
are
very
useful,
but
the
minneapolis
police
department
is
probably
well
aware.
There
is
a
trade
organization,
that's
free
for
anybody
to
join
called
droneresponders.org
and
they
put
on
free
webinars
and
it's
law
enforcement
who
have
a
lot
of
good
use.
AE
Cases
of
the
use
of
drones
also
like
to
say
that
nationwide,
the
use
of
of
drones
by
all
law
enforcement
and
by
fire
departments
is
growing
rapidly,
and
if
anybody
violates
the
use
of
drones,
it's
not
just
local
law
enforcement
that
has
to
do
something.
Pilots.
Can
you
lose
their
faa
part
107
license.
AE
AE
The
hennepin
county
sheriff
across
the
street
has
had
a
drone
program
for
several
years
and
there's
never
been
any
issue
with
that.
Their
program
was
started
by
some
delta
airline
pilots
who
work
as
reserves
in
their
drone
program.
The
one
thing
you
may
not
be
aware
of
is
the
united
states.
Custom
and
border
patrol
has
a
drone
very
big
drone
up
in
north
dakota
that
has
come
and
flown
over
minneapolis
several
times
at
various
times.
That
is
not
covered
by
any
laws
in
minnesota.
AE
That
is
a
federal
agency
they
have
and
they
can,
at
the
request
of
law
enforcement,
do
search
and
rescue
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
on
request.
It
came
down
here
during
the
george
floyd
riots
and
not
clear
who
requested
them
to
come.
One
thing
last
thing
I
like
to
ask:
is
the
department
of
defense
has
a
program
called
blue
uas,
which
is
a
program
to
buy
drones
made
in
the
united
states.
AE
F
Don
mcmillan,
I
am
a
resident
of
ward
one.
Madam
chair
vice
chair,
payne
you're.
My
representative
hear
a
lot
of
crap
coming
down
this
room
today.
I
hear
a
lot
of
stuff
people
don't
really
understand.
F
AF
AF
and
I've
never
seen
so
much
racial
discrimination
coming
from
our
minneapolis
police
department.
You
know
our
last
chief
of
police
suit,
minneapolis
police
department
for
racial
discrimination
and
he
didn't
trust
the
police
department
anymore.
The
rest
of
us
did,
you
know,
out
of
eight
thousand
eighty,
two
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seventy
three
black
people
in
minneapolis.
Only
twenty
thousand
eight
hundred
seventy
four
of
them
are
registered
voters
and
out
of
that,
twenty
eight,
eight
hundred
and
seventy
four,
only
three
thousand
four
hundred
sixty
nine
black
people
vote.
Why
is
that?
AF
Okay,
we
don't
get
no
justice
down
here.
You
know
you
were
supposed
to
do
something
with
our
police
department
and
what
do
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
arm
them
up
more?
You
want
to
militarize
them
more.
Why
don't
we
sensitize
them?
Why
don't
we
humanize
them?
Why
don't?
We
spend
the
time
making
mankind
kind
again.
AF
AF
Okay,
we
don't
need
to
build
up
their
military
forces
any
longer.
We
need
to
bring
them
into
our
community.
They
don't
need
drones,
they
don't
need
squad
cars.
They
need
to
walk
the
beat
and
get
down
here
with
the
people.
They
don't
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
community,
make
them
work
with
the
community
if
they
don't
want
to
live
with
the
community.
A
I
Hi,
my
name
is
keith
mccarron.
I
live
in
ward
3..
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
chance
to
speak.
I
personally
am
aghast
and
disgusted
by
the
fact
that
we're
even
discussing
this
prior
to
we
haven't
even
reached
a
criminal
conclusion
on
the
murder
and
lynching
of
george
floyd.
I
We
haven't
even
really
dealt
with
the
murder
of
amir
lock.
We
haven't
dealt
with
the
murder
of
laniel
frazier.
We
haven't
dealt
with
the
murder
of
andrew
tecla
sunburg,
but
yet
instead
we're
going
to
talk
about
more
ways
to
oppress
people
and
I'm
going
to
call
the
rosa
rose.
The
idea
that
this
isn't
surveillance
is
ridiculous
and
ludicrous.
I
It's
an
eye
in
the
sky.
Every
single
night
I
have
to
listen
to
state
patrol
helicopter
fly
over
my
house
all
night
long,
the
cirrus
sr
22
spy
plane
flying
over
all
the
time
and
the
idea
that
this
is
going
to
be
proposed.
I
didn't
hear
one
example:
one
concrete
example
of
crimes
being
solved.
People
being
found
none
of
this,
but
but
we
got
60
agencies
using
this
technology,
but
no
examples
of
how
lives
have
been
saved
and
the
idea
that
the
fire
department
can't
launch
the
boat
before
a
drone
gets.
I
There
is
a
smack
in
the
face
to
the
fire
department.
I
suggest
you
take
that
up
with
them,
because
I
think
they
have
something
else
to
say
about
that.
So
I
mean
if
we
can't
even
get
the
truth
in
this
hearing
about
what
this
program
is.
There's
no
discipline
matrix
we're
going
to
go
out
there
with
a
big
hammer
and
then
come
up
with
solutions.
After
the
fact
we
see
how
well
that's
worked
and
we
haven't
even
gotten
to
this
consent
decree
yet
so,
and
thank.
A
AG
It
math,
it
might
be
me:
okay,
will
you
please
state
your
name
for
the
record?
It's
maharat
rafi,
okay,
thank
you
chair.
I
live
in
ward
7
and
I'm
here
to
oppose
this
proposal
which,
as
others
said,
that
probably
is
going
to
go
through
anyway,
but
hopefully
you
can
exert
some
control
over
it.
In
particular,
we
heard
a
lot
from
commander
kingsley
about
oversight
and
accountability,
but
I
think
even
in
that
presentation
there
were
inaccuracies
that
should
be
addressed.
AG
This
was
only
reported
not
by
the
organization
and
the
city
that
requested
it,
but
by
newer
news
organizations,
cnn
and
ferbs
and
others,
and
we
still
don't
know
what
organization
request
requested.
So
if
we
can't
have
accountability
about
something
that
happened
in
may
of
2020,
how
are
we
supposed
to
have
accountability
now?
AG
In
addition,
there
is
no
clear
way
to
identify
a
drone.
Let's
say
if
I,
if
I
see
a
drone
in
my
street
or
or
my
backyard,
am
I
going
to
recognize
that
this
is
the
police
drone
or
my
neighbor's
drone?
That's
trying
to
like
look
through
my
window.
What
happens
when
situations
like
that
happen?
There's
no
information
about
the
cost,
specific
models,
there's
no
information
about
releasing
the
footage.
If
a
drone
catches,
a
police
officer
in
committing
a
crime,
is
that
footage
going
to
be
kept,
or
is
that
going
to
be
deleted?
AG
There
is
not
enough
information
about
who
can
change
these
policies
that
seem
to
be
proposed
and
in
the
end,
I
think
you
are
the
only
one
who
have
some
amount
of
control
over
this.
So
I
ask
you
to
exert
your
power.
Thank
you.
A
AH
You
please
state
your
name
for
the
record
on
a
public
record.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
rich
newmeister,
I'm
from
east
of
the
river
city
of
st
paul.
I'm
an
open
government
privacy
advocate
been
around
for
a
number
of
years,
I'm
sometimes
known
as
a
commodity
with
some
people
on
this
particular
issue.
So
let's
go
to
it
to
the
policy.
It
is
an
inept
policy.
It
needs
to
be
strengthened.
AH
Let's
take
a
look
on
a2
a
page
through
the
policy,
constitutional
and
privacy
of
rights
will
be
protected,
but
do
we
do
u.s
policy
makers
know
what
they
are.
Secondly,
in
that
regards,
it's
important
to
note
that
the
exclusions
on
page
three
of
the
policy,
which
mirror
state
law
strip
away
a
lot
of
the
fourth
amendment
protections
and
also
1980
case
law
that
deals
with
technology.
AH
From
my
own
experience
at
the
legislature,
I've
dealt
with
those
kinds
of
issues
all
the
time
where
we
find
out
technology
the
case
the
law
has
not
caught
up
with
the
technology.
It's
where
u.s
policy
makers
can
have
some
good
policy
on
those
kinds
of
things,
and
the
legislature
allows
you
to
do
that.
Let's
take
a
look
at
page
three.
Okay,
there
are
two
points
you
take
a
look
under
those
exceptions
over
a
public
event
where
there
is
heightened
risk,
the
safety
of
participants
or
bystanders.
That's
a
big
hole.
AH
Oh
it's
not
going
to
be
24
hour
surveillance,
oh,
but
you
might
have
five
hour
surveillance.
You
might
have
a
drone
that
might
have
an
hour
battery
to
it.
It
can
still
do
surveillance
kinds
of
things.
Let's
take
a
look
at
another
one
to
collect
information
from
a
public
area
where
there's
a
reasonable
suspicion
of
criminal
activity
that
has
been
with
some
folks
across
the
country
or
whatever
used
as
individual
suspicion.
So
you
can
have
individual
another
one.
AH
Is
I
on
page
three,
where
a
government
agency
that
and
doesn't
have
the
protections
of
the
current
law,
which
only
deals
with
law
enforcement
can
use
it?
Let's
look
over
zoning,
let's
assess
it,
use
it
and
assessing
that's
where
some
policy
things
can
be
done.
Let's
continue
on.
Let's
take
a
look
on
page
five
f
use
of
vision,
enhancement
technology,
which
is
not
generally
not
available
to
the
public.
Well,
that
needs
to
be
fleshed
out.
AH
You
can
have
technology
that
can
also
you
be
used
as
microphones,
and
the
last
point,
if
you
take
a
look
on
all
those
protocols
request
for
deployment
shell
develop,
shell
develop,
shall
develop
before
this
policy
is
developed
and
put
on
the
books.
You
need
to
know,
and
the
public
needs
to
know
what
are
those
those
protocols
are
important.
Thank
you.
So,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
thank
you
very
much
for
the
few
moments
take
ownership
of
the
policy.
Thank
you.
AI
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
julia
johnson.
I
live
near
38th
and
chicago
also
known
as
george
floyd
square
and
as
locals,
say
that's
the
most
heavily
surveilled
neighborhood
in
the
country.
Right
now,
and
I
live
that
every
day,
I'm
opposed
to
mpd's
purchase
of
uavs.
They
will
not
increase
safety.
I've
witnessed
firsthand
the
human
rights
violations
of
the
minneapolis
police
department
and,
with
they've,
had
no
remorse,
let
alone
accountability
for
any
of
the
many
violations
that
they
continue
to
do.
AI
AI
This
violation
of
state,
local
and
federal
laws
is
why
we
should
not
be
granting
them
more
powerful
weapons
and
tools
to.
We
should
not
be
giving
that
to
a
corrupt
and
violent
police
force,
no
money
to
mpd.
AI
AJ
Mike
david,
I'm
a
minnesota
resident,
and
I
just
like
to
just
say
about
you-
know:
people
who
like
to
think
they're
trustworthy.
You
know,
and
you
know,
when
you
give
people
privileges,
it
seems
like
they
just
you
know,
could
easily
not
do
the
right
thing
and
I
just
think
it's
a
violation
of
our
civil
rights
and
I
don't
think
we
should
have
them.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say
thank.
AJ
A
AK
AK
I
am
the
co-founder
of
the
twin
cities,
innovation
alliance.
We
have
an
office
in
north
minneapolis
and
northeast
where
we
serve
community
members,
business
and
others,
and
today
I
think,
we've
already
kind
of
gone
over
all
the
technical
things.
I'm
really
compelled
with
the
argument
about
opposing
this,
but
I
also
want
to
encourage
you
if
you
are
not
in
that
place
where
you
can
oppose
it,
let
us
delay
and
do
our
due
diligence.
AK
AK
AK
AL
AL
Hello,
my
name
is
tammy
skinaway.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
I
am
a
resident
of
minnesota
born
and
raised.
I
have
connections
with
all
sides
of
the
city
different
communities
for
many
years.
I
am
the
former
assistant
of
mr
clyde
belcourt
rest
in
peace
elder.
I
have
so
many
things
to
say
it.
Doesn't
you
know
two
minutes,
I
don't
know
how
I
can
do
that.
AL
I
would
like
to
all
to
probably
look
in
the
mirror
and
and
see
who
we
are
as
humans.
You
know
as
souls
I
was
a
teenage
mother,
I'm
51
years
old
now,
almost
and
my
three
children
are
now
grown:
productive
citizens
very
loving
human
beings,
but
living
in
a
poverty
stricken
area.
AL
It's
very
hard
for
a
person
to
like
me
to
approach
officers,
but
I've
done
that
over
the
last
15
years
and
I
have
to
hurry
up
now,
but
I
will
let
you
know
before
george
floyd's
murder
rest
in
peace
in
a
metro,
urban,
indian
director's
meeting.
I
asked
those
directors
there
that
do
not
represent
me
for
the
record
and
do
not
represent
many
of
our
people
in
our
community
that
group.
So
please
please
hear
us
in
that
meeting.
I
asked
that
group
and
mpd.
AL
If
they
were
aware
of
any
community
policing
in
other
parts
of
the
world,
they
said.
No,
I
said:
are
you
willing
to
look
into
that
and
they
haven't
and
then
look
at
where
we
are
now
minneapolis?
We
have
dropped
the
ball.
I'm
able
to
speak
to
officers.
I
speak
to
officers.
I
speak
to
the
fire
department.
I
speak
to
everybody
to
let
us
know
we're
humans.
AL
AM
Two
years
ago
the
minneapolis
police
department
relentlessly
tear
gas
protesters,
shot
people's
eyes
out
and
brutalized
people
to
no
end
two
years
later,
and
we
have
not
seen
any
footage
from
that
time.
Apart
from
the
videos
released
as
a
result
of
julia
stalling's
trial,
thousands
of
hours
of
body
cam
footage
have
been
tucked
away
from
the
public.
AM
AM
Let's
be
honest
here,
no
police
department
destroys
documents
unless
it
incriminates
themselves.
I
have
zero
expectation
that
the
minneapolis
police
will
be
transparent
or
follow
any
guidelines
for
their
usage
of
drones.
This
is
about
the
police
department's
desire
to
surveil
and
harass
individuals.
This
is
about
white
people's
paranoia
of
anyone
who
looks
nothing
like
them.
AM
AM
AN
Hi,
my
name
hi,
my
name
is
indolo
a
latte
and
I'm
a
resident
of
ward
9.,
I'm
here
to
speak
on
the
record
that
this
proposed,
or
whatever
already
going
through
drone
proposal,
is
an
expansion
of
an
already
wildly
invasive
surveillance
state.
This
type
of
military
technology
is
the
same
technology
that
the
american
empire
uses
to
control
and
dominate
in
its
imperial
colonies.
AN
We
must
resist
the
use
of
this
technology
here
as
well
as
abroad.
The
truth
is
that
the
use
of
drones
by
mpd
is
yet
another
active
class
war.
This
technology
will
be
used
to
surveil
and
incriminate
working
class
people,
especially
colonized
and
racialized
people,
to
enforce
the
rule
of
the
ruling
class.
This
it
is
not
a
question
of
if,
but
when
minnesota
has
invested
over
a
million
dollars
on
uav
technology
the
past
two
years.
Why
doesn't
the
city
of
minneapolis
invest
in
addressing
the
actual
root
causes
of
violence?
AN
Why
don't
we
put
money
into
housing
people?
Why
don't
we
put
money
into
feeding
people?
Why
don't
we
put
money
into
making
sure
that
everyone
can
afford
the
medication
and
the
health
care
that
they
need?
Why
don't
we
put
money
into
adequately
adequately,
addressing
the
multiple
pandemics
that
we
have
going
on?
These
are
rhetorical
questions,
because
the
state
does
not
serve
the
people,
as
it
has
shown
us
time
and
time
again
it
serves
the
corporations
and
the
ruling
class
power
to
the
people,
no
matter
the
weapons,
the
state
attempts
to
form
against
us.
A
Thank
you
seeing
no
one
else
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item.
I
will
now
close
the
public
hearing
I'd
like
to
thank
those
of
you
who
came
out
today
to
speak.
There
is
no
further
action
required
on
this
item
and
seeing
no
business
before
us.
I
will
declare
this.