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A
I
call
to
order
the
June
20th
2023
regular
meeting
of
the
Minneapolis
Heritage
preservation
commission.
For
the
record,
my
name
is
Barbara
Howard
and
I
chair
the
commission.
Just
a
reminder:
please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
any
other
electronic
devices
and
to
speak
clearly
into
the
microphone,
whether
you're
speaking
up
at
the
diocese
or
giving
testimony
today.
Would
the
clerk
please
call
the
rules
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
court.
C
B
A
A
We
will
work
from
the
agendas
that
are
available
over
by
the
clerk
I'll
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
which
items
will
be
withdrawn,
which
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting
which
items
will
be
discussed
and
which
items
will
be
put
on
a
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
item
number
four
2900
Hennepin
Avenue,
Ward,
7
adjacent
to
Ward
10.
This
application
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
A
Item
number
four
will
be
discussed:
item
number
five:
five
thousand
five
Lindale
Avenue
South
Ward,
11
adjacent
to
Ward
13..
This
application
is
for
demolition
of
a
historic
resource.
Item
number
five
will
be
discussed
so
the
proposed
agenda,
the
following
two
items
will
have
staff
presentation,
public
comment
and
commission
discussion
in
action
item
number:
four
2900
Hennepin,
Avenue,
Ward,
7
adjacent
to
Ward,
10.
and
item
number
five:
five
thousand
five
Lindale
Avenue
South
Ward
11
adjacent
to
Ward
13.
Commissioners
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
proposed
agenda.
Nice.
F
A
A
The
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
public
hearings.
We
will
take
each
agenda
item
in
order,
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
then
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
after
that.
We
will
invite
public
comment.
A
A
If
you
have
any
materials
to
hand
out,
please
give
them
to
our
committee
Clerk
and
they
will
be
distributed
to
the
commission
and
entered
into
the
public
record.
Do
not
approach
the
Commissioners
on
the
dice
after
the
public
comments
are
complete,
I
will
close.
The
public
hearing
and
Commissioners
will
deliberate
and
act
on
the
applications
before
us.
A
G
Foreign
thank
you
chair,
Howard
and
good
afternoon
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Rob
scalecki
senior
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservation
section
of
the
planning
department
today,
I'm
presenting
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
at
the
Uptown
Theater
located
at
2900
Hennepin
Avenue,
and
this
is
for
signage
and
Lighting.
G
The
subject
property
is
the
Uptown
Theater.
It's
an
individually
designated
Minneapolis
Landmark.
The
property
was
built
in
two
phases
to
complete
the
building.
That's
recognized
today.
The
original
building
was
completed
as
the
Lagoon
Theater
in
1916.,
so
the
building
was
completely
remodeled
in
1939
to
its
current
Kasota
Stone,
clad,
modern
appearance
appearance
as
designed
by
liebenberg
and
Kaplan.
The
City
of
Minneapolis
recognizes
the
exterior
of
the
building
as
significant
for
architecture
as
an
excellent
example
of
streamlined,
modern
and
as
the
first
movie
theater
in
the
country
to
have
a
three-sided
vertical
Tower
sign.
G
G
Thus,
the
character
of
the
front,
elevation
lighting
and
signage
has
changed
with
the
removal
of
these
historic
points
of
Illumination
that
were
originally
extant
in
the
light
box
and
Beacon
Tower
cap
structure,
and
those
can
be
seen
here
on
the
right
vertical
letters
on
the
tower
sign
were
originally
Halo
lit,
with
illumination
behind
the
letters
using
50
watt
incandescent
bulbs,
all
the
subject,
24
sign
letters
that
spell
out
Uptown
four
times.
That's
three
times
on
the
vertical
Tower
sign
and
one
on
the
horizontal
Marquee,
originally
included,
face
illumination
by
individual
25
watt
incandescent
light
bulbs.
G
Corners
of
the
tower
sign
were
planned
to
be
illuminated
by
six
watt
Chaser
bulbs.
So
this
totaled
for
the
lighting
schedule
in
1939
included,
765
incandescent
light
bulbs
totaling
a
little
over
16,
000
watts
of
Illumination
for
the
building
permit
and
photo
evidence
suggests
that
the
individual
letters
and
the
face
lettering
was
changed
to
Neon
at
some
point
between
1945
and
1963.
G
But
the
neon
illuminated
letters
have
since
become
associated
with
the
Uptown
theater's
appearance,
even
though
this
was
not
a
historic
feature
of
the
theater
in
late
September,
2020
cped
noticed
the
historic
Tower
sign.
Letters
had
been
removed
without
approval
and
orders
to
correct
were
written
by
the
zoning
inspector
requiring
a
preservation
application
to
review
the
unpermitted
work.
G
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
each
of
the
24
historic
steel
letters
that
spell
it
uptown
in
four
locations
with
aluminum
letters.
The
18
vertical
letters
on
the
tower
sign
structure
have
already
been
removed
without
approval.
Six
of
these
letters
are
shown
to
have
been
repaired
and
installed
in
the
property's
interior,
without
application
review
or
approval.
G
The
proposed
new
sign
letters
were
designed
to
match
the
dimensions
and
the
placement
of
the
historic
letters.
Lighting
changes
for
the
applicant's
proposal
will
include
the
replacement
of
all
remaining
incandescent
lights
and
electrical
socket
components
that
are
deteriorated.
Beyond
repair,
existing
non-historic
neon
within
the
sign
letter
cavity,
will
be
removed
and
contemporary
LED
Aurora,
Flex
lights
will
be
installed
in
place.
G
With
that,
the
Department
of
Community
planning
and
economic
development
has
analyzed
the
application
to
allow
for
repairs
and
replacement
of
the
sign
and
lighting
features
at
the
Uptown
Theater,
based
on
the
five
applicable
findings
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
I
will
focus
on
the
guidelines
finding
for
this
presentation,
so
cped
evaluated
the
proposed
project
under
the
relevant
sections
of
the
design
guidelines.
The
neighborhood
movie
theater
thematic
District
guidelines
for
rehabilitation
which
were
adopted
in
1991
State,
the
following
under
the
guideline
for
exterior
lighting
and
signage.
G
Additionally
the
the
features
like
the
light
box
and
Tower
and
sign
Beacon,
the
tower
side
Beacon
have
been
removed
and
these
historic
features
would
have
emitted
a
much
greater
amount
of
light
at
the
building
than
the
present
conditions.
G
However,
the
applicant
has
not
presented
enough
evidence
to
show
that
all
of
the
letters
can
be
replaced.
Additionally.
The
letters
are
individually
installed
in
the
sign
board.
The
appropriate
consideration
for
replacement
of
deteriorated
Beyond
repair
letters
would
be
to
only
replace
the
individual
letters
that
cannot
be
repaired
and
not
replace
all
24..
G
G
Two
that
the
proposed
LED
lighting
features
shall
be
installed
in
the
repaired
historic
sign.
Letters
and
three
that
new
LED
lights
must
be
consistent
with
zoning
specifications
for
lighting
and
that
historic
drawings
and
photo
evidence
shall
be
used
to
ensure
bulb
brightness
and
glow
will
emit
similar
appearance
to
the
original
incandescent
bulbs.
The
remaining
conditions
of
approval
numbers,
4
and
5
are
standard
conditions
of
approval
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
with
that
I'm
available
as
staff
for
questions,
but
I
do
believe.
The
applicant
is
here
and
will
speak
as
well.
Thank.
A
H
My
name
is
Rita
Goodrich
I'm
with
McDonald
and
Mac
Architects
1305
Cleveland
Avenue
St
Paul
can
I
pop
this
in.
H
I'll
just
go
through
these
really
quickly
because
you
have
the
application
and
you
and
you've
seen
what
Rob
presented.
So
obviously
the
sign
without
but
I
think
some
information
that
I
could
provide.
That
I
think
would
be
helpful,
is
three
things.
I
guess
one
is
that
the
intention
was
from
what
I
understand
from
the
owner:
I'm,
not
the
architect
of
the
project,
I'm
the
I'm,
the
representative
for
the
HPC
application.
H
But
from
what
I
understand
the
painters
went
up
there
to
paint
the
sign
and
the
lighting
people
went
up
there
to
look
at
what
was
going
on.
A
number
of
the
neon
lights
were
already
out,
and
so
what
it?
What
was
determined
is
there
was
a
lot
of
see
if
I
can
a
little
hard
to
see
from
this.
F
H
The
back
a
lot
of
the
background
was
very
peeled
paint
and
that
they
didn't
feel,
like
the
letters
were
substantially
attached
to
leave
them
there
and
paint
and
do
a
suitable
painting
job
and
then
to
be
able
to
do
the
the
lighting
with
the
letters
and
stuff.
So
at
that
point
the
letters
were
taken
down.
H
There
have
been
past
repairs
on
the
letters
I
was
able
to
observe
of
the
large
letters
on
the
tower
sign
and
I
will
say
the
tower.
The
tower
is
remaining,
nothing
has
changed
or
is
changing
on
that
and
that
the
sign,
the
letters
are,
an
element
of
the
sign.
H
H
The
and
I
should
back
up
and
say
that
the
owner
is
willing
to
accept
the
conditions,
except
for
reusing
the
existing
letters
which
we
are
suggesting
are
not.
You
are
not
repairable
and
being
able
to
use
again.
So
this
this
is
an
example
of
one
of
the
letters
that's
been
repaired
in
the
past.
I
I
do
acknowledge
their
other
ways
to
repair
these,
but
they
there
there
has.
D
H
A
lot
of
work
done
to
these
they're
84
years
old,
they're,
steel
and
there's
a
surface
on
every
letter
that
is
flat
or
rounded
that
holds
water,
and
that's
where
the
rust
is
I
know
that
Rob
mentioned
the
letters
that
had
been
repaired
inside
the
repair
that
was
done
on
those,
and
this
is
one
of
these
letters
up
close
had
none
of
the
paint
removed
it
was
just
painted
over
and
I
can
show
you
a
close-up.
H
This
is
an
area
of
repair
kind
of
in
that
smoother
section
on
the
letters
inside.
H
H
What
the
repair
of
these
letters
that
were
hung
up
inside
is
it's
just
fiberglass
tape
with
Bondo
over
which
would
not
be
a
suitable
repair
for
an
exterior.
H
If
these
letters,
I
would
I
mean
the
applicant
here,
but
if,
if
I
were
Consulting
on
the
repair
of
these
I
would
suggest
that
the
paint
would
all
have
to
be
removed,
because
there
is
so
much
rust
underneath
and
one
thing
that
I
noticed
when
I
was
there
looking
at
the
letters.
H
This
would
be
the
whole
bottom
because
it's
just
thin
what
I
did
not
do
in
the
letters
when
I
went
there
to
take
pictures
is
like
to
Ping
them
with
a
hammer
or,
to
you
know,
take
a
caliper
and
measure
them,
but
they're
quite
thin
and
and
the
metal
is
flaking
and
rusting.
So
so
I
guess
that
what
I
wouldn't
say
is
I
respectfully
disagree
in
that
these
are
repairable.
H
H
Sign
company
that's
proposing
to
make
the
letters
has
been
very
careful
to
complete
Chopper
drawings
that
show
that
they
are
recreating
exactly
what
was
there
and
I
guess.
One
of
the
biggest
issues
is
the
safety
of
it.
They
had
thought
they
could
reuse
the
brackets
that
hold
them.
It's
been
determined,
they
don't
feel
like
that
is
safe,
that
they
that
they
just
aren't
comfortable
putting
these
letters
back
up
and
I
think
any
repairs
would
be
so
close
to
rebuilding
rebuilding
them.
H
That's
really
high
and
we
can't
have
anything
coming
off.
The
other
comment
I
wanted
to
make
is
I
was
able
to
observe
the
letters
are
still
on
the
Marquee
and
there
are
letters.
I
observe
two
sets
of
letters.
The
third
set
of
Uptown
is
not
accessible.
It's
it
doesn't
exist,
so
we
can't
put
letters
up
that
they
no
longer
have
those
I
think
we're
determined
to
be
in
such
poor
shape
that,
unfortunately,
when
they
were
taken
down,
they
were
disposed
of
from
what
I
understand.
H
So
this
is
where
we're
at
we
are
trying
to
get
the
letters
back
up
on
the
sign
and
I
think
there
was
due
diligence
done
to
look
at
the
condition
of
the
letters
and
what's
being
proposed,
as
rock
did
acknowledge,
does
match.
What's
there
in
terms
of
the
placement
they
have,
the
they
have
some
of
the
letters
and
I
guess
I'm
available
for
questions.
If
you
have
any.
A
Thank
you
for
the
the
comments.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
These
were
taken
down
in
September
they've
been
sitting
outside
for
the
last.
However,
many
months
unprotected.
H
Not
that
I'm,
aware
of
the
letters
that
I
saw
when
I
did
this
application
were.
There
was
one
set
in
a
garage
that
I
went
to
Plymouth
and
saw,
and
then
those
letters
were
taken
out
of
a
garage,
so
I
could
photograph
them.
H
Then
there
that
that
was
the
painter
and
then
he
had
taken
the
letters
to
paint
that
went
up
in
the
theater
and
they're
they're
at
the
theater
and.
H
A
H
H
A
I
can
answer.
Thank
you
any
other
questions
for
the
applicants.
A
J
Yeah
I
will
Echo
that
completely
and
and
say,
like
I
am
not
seeing
something
that
says
to
me
that
this
is
beyond
repair.
I
will
also
say
that
seeing
some
of
the
letters
repaired
and
put
up
inside
is
also
really
contradictory,
then
because
it
feels
like
well,
we
could
repair
them,
but
only
for
this
use,
and
so
I
I
would
look
for
a
lot
more
evidence.
So
I
I
really
appreciate
the
conditions
that
staff
wrote.
D
I
mean
I
feel
the
same
way
as
the
two
of
you
that
I
also
agree
with
how
staff
wrote
These
conditions.
D
Do
we
need
to
make
an
amendment
because
we're
missing
a
set
of
letters
is
my
question:
I
guess
for
staff
or
do
we
can?
Can
we
approve
it
as
written?
Even
though
there's
a
set
missing
is
my
question?
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
we
can
answer
that,
that's.
A
A
good
question
I
would
look
to
staff.
Do
we
need
to
change
the
numbers
because,
obviously,
if
a
set
is
missing,
it
would
have
to
be
reconstructed.
I
You
chair,
Howard,
Andrea
Burke
supervisor
for
the
historic
preservation
team
in
cped
I'm,
going
to
state
facts
here.
As
I
know
them
daff
was
told
that
the
other
letters
were
missing
too,
and
then
we
received
evidence
that
they
existed.
I
do
not
know.
I
You
know
I'm
going
to
believe
our
applicant
in
saying
that
they
are
missing
and
with
that
I
I
know,
I
find
it
hard
to
I'm
not
entirely
sure
what
to
do
with
the
conditions.
Since
it
seems
to
be
that
way,
the
the
status
of
those
letters
is
unknown,
whether
they
exist
or
not.
I
Once
again,
just
stating
stating
information
as
we
received
it
previously,
I'm
going
to
actually
turn
to
staff
Rob
scalecki
for
this
since
I
he's
most
familiar
with
the
project
and
has
looked
at
in
depth
since
I.
Don't
know
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah
thanks
chair
Howard
and
as
Andrea
mentioned,
we
were
under
the
impression
that
the
letters
still
existed.
We
didn't
have
a
reason
to
believe
otherwise.
So
that's
why
we
made
this
condition.
G
You
know
a
new
scope
of
work
that
included
repair,
and
you
know
fabrication
of
the
new
letters
given
that
we
have
new
information
now
they
can
come
back
to
the
HPC
with
another
application
they
would
like,
but
the
the
Commissioners
are
also
welcome
to
make
your
own
conditions
based
on
this
new
information.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
skalekian,
thank
you,
Andrew
I
would
I
would
tend
to
think
we
should
leave
the
motion
written
as
is
then,
if
there's
any
chance
for
those
letters
to
still
be
in
existence
yeah.
That
would
just
be
my
opinion,
but
I
don't
know
how
their
Commissioners
feel.
K
Yeah
I,
don't
have
anything
exceptional
to
add
other
than
just
to
say
and
I
know.
Our
applicant
is
probably
not
not
awesome
situation.
Given
that
this
isn't
your
project,
you
didn't
remove
the
letters,
but
I
do
hope
that
you
can
bring
the
message
back
to
the
owner
of
the
building
that
this
is
extremely
frustrating
to
to
see
this
happen
to
see
this
removed.
This
is
obviously
a
landmark.
K
The
process
for
this
stuff,
like
is
we've,
had
applicants
particularly
on
single
family
homes,
not
be
aware
of
the
process
and
I
think
that's
totally
understandable,
but
this
is
a
gentleman
who's
done
other
major
historic
projects
and
he
should
know
better
and
in
fact,
I
think
he
does
so
I
just
want
to
underscore
that
I'm
hopeful
that
you
can
bring
that
message
back
to
him
that
this
is
frustrating
I.
Think
it's
frustrating
for
us.
Commissioners
well
stated.
C
It
also
appeared
to
me
that
if
you
looked
at
the,
if
you
look
at
the
drawing
of
the
kind
of
the
typical
letter
T
that
they
have
on
page
58
of
their
application,
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
that
the
metal
would
be
formed
in
the
same
way
that
what
we
showed
where
it
looked
like
you
had
were
the
two
pieces
met.
There
was
kind
of
a
a
big
Corner,
seam
and
so
I
recognize
that
the
intent
of
replacing
something
is
not
to
replace
it
to
mimic
exactly
what
was
there.
C
But
that
seems
like
it's
a
that
kind
of
that.
Chunkiness
of
the
way
that
the
letters
were
originally
built
is
an
important
distinctive
part.
So,
for
me,
I,
that's
one
of
the
stronger
for
me
personally.
That
seems
one
of
the
strongest
reasons
to
not
accept
these
letters
being
supplied
to
replace
the
existing
letters.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
blondblum,
and
when
it
comes
to
replacement
of
deteriorated
historic
fabric,
you
are
supposed
to
replace
in
kind
if
at
all
possible,
and
that
includes
that
chunkiness
that
you
talk
about.
So
it's
a
little
different
when
you're
putting
in
something
new
to
replace
something
that
you
don't
have
any
evidence
of,
or
something
like
that.
When
you're
replacing
in-kind
using
the
the
infamous
Secretary
of
interior
standards
phrase,
we
expect
it
to
look
the
same
yeah.
Thank
you.
D
Strum
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
historic
preservation
commission
approves
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
allow
repairs
and
Replacements
of
the
signs
as
conditioned
by
staff,
but
that
includes
condition
one
all
24
or
however
many
there
are
all
24,
preferably
of
the
Uptown
sign
letter
shall
be
retained,
repaired
and
reinstalled
at
the
exterior.
The
proposed
LED
lighting
features
shall
be
installed
and
repaired
and
the
repaired
historic
sign
letters
and
condition.
Three.
D
A
J
L
F
A
I
I
have
a
statement
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself
from
this
item.
Kimberly
holding
the
manager
of
the
land
use,
design
and
preservation
group
will
send
my
place.
I
believe
she's
still
on
her
way
here.
So
in
that
I'm
going
to
ask
Rob
scalecki
his
staff
to
sit
in
my
place
until
she
arrives.
M
M
The
property
is
located
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
50th
Street
West
and
Lyndale
Avenue
South
outlined
in
teal
on
this
aerial
photo.
Last
month,
the
applicant
requested
a
historic
review
letter
from
cped
cped
staff
determined
that
the
subject
property
is
a
potential
historic
resource
for
its
association
with
the
potential
Washburn
Park
residential,
historic
district,
and
here
is
a
map
of
the
potential
Washburn
Park
residential
historic
district.
With
the
subject
property
identified
by
a
blue
star,
this
potential
historic
district
has
been
studied
at
various
points
over
the
last
four
decades.
M
A
draft
nomination
to
list
the
potential
District
in
the
National
register
of
historic
places
was
prepared
in
1981.
However,
the
potential
district
has
not
been
formally
listed
in
the
National
register.
The
Minnesota
state,
historic
preservation,
office
or
shippo
has
determined
the
district,
the
potential
District
to
be
eligible
for
listing
in
the
National
register.
M
M
This
is
the
South
elevation,
the
north
elevation,
the
East
Elevation
and
the
garage
the
applicant
is
proposing
demolition
of
the
property
here
at
5005
Lindell
Avenue
South,
which
consists
of
a
house
and
a
garage,
as
shown
in
the
photos.
The
applicant
is
planning
to
build
a
four-story
residential
building.
The
proposed
development
will
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission
at
a
later
date
and
is
not
part
of
this
application.
M
The
existing
house
was
built
in
1912
and
the
existing
garage
was
built
in
1917.
according
to
records
at
shippo.
The
period
of
significance
for
the
national
register
eligible
district
is
1886
to
1959
and
the
subject.
Property
is
considered
a
contributing
resource
for
this
application
staff
analyze
the
significance
and
integrity
of
the
subject,
property
and
the
potential
historic
district.
M
Most
of
the
properties
in
the
potential
District
were
built
in
the
1900s
through
1930s
and
exhibit
characteristics
of
period,
Revival
styles,
that
were
popular
of
that
time
and
also
the
Victorian
stick
and
shingle
styles
Gemini
research.
One
of
the
historical
Consultants
who
reviewed
this
in
the
past
suggested
that
this
is
an
excellent
concentration
of
some
of
the
city's
best
period.
Revival
designs,
although
individual
properties
have
experienced
change
over
time,
staff
finds
that
the
potential
District
retains
sufficient
Integrity
to
convey
its
historical
significance
under
criteria.
Three
four
and
five
for
this
destruction
of
a
historic
resource.
M
One
of
two
findings
must
be
met
under
the
first
finding
cped
finds
that
the
demolition
is
not
necessary
to
correct
an
unsafe
or
dangerous
condition
under
the
second
finding
cfed
finds
that
there
are
no
reasonable
alternatives
to
demolition.
The
subject
property
at
5005,
Lindell,
Avenue
South,
is
not
individually
listed
in
or
eligible
for
listing
in
the
National
register
of
historic
places.
M
The
subject
property
does
not
appear
to
be
eligible
for
designation
as
an
individual
landmark.
As
I've
mentioned.
The
subject.
Property
is
located
within
the
potential
Washburn
Park
residential,
historic
district,
which
does
have
historical
significance
under
criteria
3,
4
and
5,
and
retains
integrity
based
on
its
build
year
of
1912.
The
subject
property
is
a
contributing
resource
to
this
historic
district.
M
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
report.
I
have
one
question
for
you
and
that
has
to
do
well.
I
guess
it's
two:
do
you
agree
with
the
the
boundary
and
the
period
of
significance
that
for
the
district,
as
shown
in
the
the
documentation
that
you've
reviewed,
I
had
I
had
questions
about
whether
or
not
the
the
orthogonal
portion
in
that
corner?
That
side
really
fits
as
part
of
the
tangle
town
period
of
of
development
and
I'm
I
without
the
the
full
documentation
I'm
just
curious?
A
If
you
would
agree
with
that,
and
does
that
National
register
evaluation
carry
over
to
what
we
would
see
for
local
designation
if
it
were
done.
M
Thank
you,
chair
Howard
staff
did
not
have
a
discussion
about
the
boundary
and
significance.
I
can
offer
my
personal
opinion,
based
on
my
review
of
the
information
I.
Think
in
the
historical
record,
there
is
some
I,
don't
want
to
say
disagreement,
but
maybe
there
there
are
different
different
areas
that
could
be
considered
part
of
the
potential
District
so
that
that
boundary
as
and
I
can
pull
it
up.
M
M
There
are
also
some
mentions
of
the
boundary
originally
potentially
going
to
54th,
Street
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
refers
to
how
far
the
southern
Edge
dips
and
maybe
that's
in
alignment
with
54th
Street
or
if
potentially
in
the
late
1800s,
they
may
have
considered
any
properties
on
the
south
side
of
the
creek
to
be
part
of
that
neighborhood.
M
In
terms
of
the
period
of
significance
that
was
found
on
a
pencil
handwritten
note
on
this
inventory
from
2009,
which
we
believe
is
related
to
a
section
106
project
for
sound
insulation
along
35W
and
I
know,
especially
given
your
experience
that
shippo
pencil
comments
are
often
coming
from
staff.
We
don't
know
that
for
sure,
but
I
think
the
1959
end
mark
also
is
probably
responsive
to
the
50-year
National
register
rule,
since
it
was
done
in
2009
and
may
not
actually
reflect.
E
Go
ahead,
can
you
just
clarify
for
me
if
this
did
become
an
officially
recognized
District?
Do
you
believe
this
property
would
be
contributing.
D
In
your
research
for
this,
do
you
did
you
see
how
many
demolitions
have
come
to
the
HBC
for
this
potential
District
like?
Were
there?
Have
there
been
others
that
have
come
to
HPC
in
this
potential
District
before
this
property?
Do
you.
M
D
M
I
am
not
okay,
familiar
with
them.
I
know
that
the
applicant
did
provide
some
information
in
their
application
regarding
some
potential
precedence
within
the
vicinity.
I'll
take
a
peek
at
that
again.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
Yeah
Miss
K
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
is
your
review
is
made,
irrespective
of
what
is
planned
to
be
on
that
site?
Correct.
M
C
Thank
you
and
then
a
follow-up
question.
The
fact
that
this
is
a
potential
district
and
not
a
real
historic
district.
What
relevance
does
that
have
to
your
review
or
the
feasibility
of
this
house
being
having
some
historic
relevance
as
part
of
a
district.
M
Thank
you,
chair
Howard,
commissioner
I
will
answer
part
of
that
and
then
you'll
have
to.
Let
me
know
if
I
didn't
quite
answer
your
question,
so
we
have
several
preservation
applications
that
we
use
depending
on
the
situation,
so
the
demolition
of
historic
resource
application
is
the
one
used
in
the
situation
that
it's
a
potential
historic
district
or
Landmark
or
resource,
but
it's
not
an
officially
designated
Landmark
or
District.
Whereas
if
this
were
an
established
historic
district,
it
would
be
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
application.
That
would
then
address
very
similar
findings
of
destructive
destruction.
M
I
think
to
answer
that
question
we
would
then
need
to
know
the
areas
of
significance,
so
we
would
need
confirmation
of
which
criteria
for
which
this
hypothetical
historic
district
was
designated.
The
period
of
significance,
as
we've
been
talking
about
how
the
subject
property
fits
into
that
and
so
I
think
it'd
be
difficult
to
conjecture
at
this
point,
what
the
conclusion
would
be
thank.
N
A
O
O
To
the
struggle
review
staff,
thank
you
for
recommending
approval
of
application
for
demolition,
although
not
part
of
the
review.
Just
a
little
background.
This
site
is
built
from
Corridor
4
and
zoned
Urban
neighborhood
3..
The
proposed
development
is
a
conforming
project.
O
L
O
Yeah,
that's
good
that'll,
be
fine.
Thank
you.
So,
as
noted
in
my
application
and
in
the
staff
report,
the
structure
has
no
significance
or
high
integrity.
Only
the
potential
District
itself
is
significant,
not
the
house.
O
The
idea
of
a
potential
district
is
a
tough
concept
to
wrap
your
head
around.
It
either
is
a
district
or
it
is
not
a
district
and
having
to
be
examined
at
a
higher
standard
of
a
potential.
District
that
is
not
codified,
seems
unfair.
O
Second,
can
I
get
to.
O
It's
not
going
any
further.
Oh
in
your
whole
packet
I
would
like
exhibit
a
shoot.
Okay,
I
made
a
different
map
that
I
think
is
in
the
staff
findings,
and
it
was.
O
O
This
map
shows
things
that
are
in
and
adjacent
to
the
district
that
have
been
built
since
1981
and
the
last
three,
our
multi-family
that
have
been
built
since
2005.
O
O
So
I
was
going
to
show
something
else.
It
was
just
an
elevation,
but
what
we
hope
to
build
is
a
20
unit,
multi-family
apartment
building,
with
a
mix
of
one
two
and
three
bedrooms,
predominantly
two
bedrooms:
there
will
be
34
underground
parking
stools
and
the
plants.
The
project
supports
six
of
the
13
goals
that
are
the
foundation
for
the
city's
2040
comprehensive
plan.
A
P
A
I
saw
you
sneak
in
that's
all
right.
All
right.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
for
or
against
this
application,
be
sure
to
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
We
are
keeping
it
to
two
minutes
and
keep
in
mind.
This
is
for
the
demolition
of
the
the
resource,
not
for
the
new
development
yep.
N
I
will
keep
in
mind
good
afternoon,
chair
Howard
and
commission
members.
My
name
is
Jim
Harwood
I
own
and
live
at
the
home
at
5009,
Linda,
Avenue,
South,
and
previously
only
to
live
at
the
home
at
5125,
Lindell,
Avenue
South.
So
that's
two
different
ownerships
in
this
district
and
I've
lived
in
over
the
past
several
years
and
I'm
going
to
provide
a
little
bit
about
the
development
only
as
context
for
my
specific
requests
related
to
the
what's
in
front
of
you.
N
Over
the
past
several
weeks,
I've
heard
from
many
neighbors
in
tangleton
residents
about
their
concerns
of
the
project.
You
know
there
are
very
valid
concerns.
They
will
be
heard
through
a
Planning
Commission
process
on
on
traffic
parking,
pedestrian
safety
Etc.
But
the
one
comment
I
have
heard
resoundingly
over
and
over
most
people
is
that
this
proposed
development
just
doesn't
fit
and
it
will
dramatically
change
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
I'll.
Come
back
to
the
request
here.
N
However,
that
proposed
development
with
its
requested
27-foot
front
yard
setback
variants,
will
have
a
huge
negative
impact
on
the
Integrity
of
location,
setting
feeling
and
Association
of
the
potential
Washburn
Park
residential
historic
district,
so
stated
in
the
staff
report.
This
District
was
recommended
a
potential
district
for
designation
in
2005.,
though
it
wasn't
pursued,
there's
no
information
on
why
it
wasn't
pursued
or
why
it
wasn't,
but
it
wasn't
and
since
that
time
I
think
is
Miss
K
brought
up.
N
There
haven't
been
any
sites
down
in
that
District
that
have
come
before
this
commission
for
demolition,
I
believe
exhibitations.
Three
properties
that
are
just
outside
of
the
what's
located
here
on
this
exhibit
so
today
I'm
requesting
that
the
commission
denied
demolition
only
to
direct
staff
to
commence
a
designation
study
to
determine
if
this
should
be
an
actual,
you
know
designated
and
actual
historic
district.
A
A
D
Nystrom
this
one's
tough,
because
we
can
really
only
comment
on
the
Demolition
and
because
it's
not
a
district
like
it's
hard
for
me
to
really
feel
like
yes,
but
also
it's
600,
some
properties
so
like
having
to
then
start
like
ask
to
do
a
designation
studies,
a
lot
so
like
I
I'm,
having
a
hard
time
with
this,
because
yeah
I
don't
know
I
under
I,
understand
staff's
findings,
but
I
also
have
a
hard
time
like
yeah
demoing.
D
Any
property,
that's
anywhere
near
historic
district
or
hit
like
has
history
of
any
kind,
is
hard
like
for
me
to
process.
I,
don't
know
about
anybody
else,
but
those
are
my
thoughts
and
I'm
just
having
a
tough
time
with
this
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
any
more
clear
Direction
on
how
they're
feeling
other
than
me
just
rambling,.
A
I
understand
those
feelings
entirely,
commissioner:
melbaum.
C
Thank
you,
chair,
Howard,
so
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
not
get
caught
up
on,
what's
going
to
be
built
there,
but
because
that's
not
part
of
our
purview.
We're
only
being
asked
to
comment
on
the
relative
merits
of
demolishing
or
not
demolishing
this
house
and
I
think
the
the
staff
report
makes
a
a
very
credible
case
for
the
fact
that
this
house
doesn't
deserve
historic
protection.
C
The
thing
that
does
disturb
me-
and
it's
come
up
now
several
times
with
several
people
kind
of
relating
to
it
is
the
fact
that
this
is
a
potential
district
and
I
feel
like
there's
a
cruelty
on
the
part
of
the
city
for
having
this
Cloud
hanging
over
this,
because
I
think
for
people
who
live
in
the
district.
They
feel
that
there
probably
is
some
sense
of
historic
integrity.
That's
not
been
proved,
and
therefore
they
potentially
are
thinking.
They
can
hang
their
hat
on
that
as
a
reason
to
stop
something.
C
This
should
be
something
that
we
discuss
further
and
find
out
if
there
are
other
potential
districts,
and
why
aren't
these?
Why?
Why
isn't
something
being
adjudicated
about
them?
Either
they
do
the
study
and
decide
it's
relevant
or
not.
The
fact
that
this
thing
has
been
looked
at
more
than
once
and
in
2005
nothing
was
done
out
of
it
and
that's
what
18
years
later,
I
I
just
frankly,
don't
think
that
it
should
be
relevant.
C
A
A
That's
a
you
know,
I,
don't
even
know
if
staff
even
sees
all
of
them,
because
the
city
isn't
always
invited
to
be
a
Consulting
party
on
section
106
reviews,
but
we
could
at
least
find
out
more
about
what
we
do
know
about
at
the
city
and
and
have
some
discussion
around
that.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Christian
booty.
L
I,
don't
have
much,
oh
thank
you,
chair,
Howard,
I,
don't
have
much
to
add,
but
other
than
what's
been
said
so
far
as
just
to
kind
of
throw
out
the
information
that
I
believe.
If
we
were
to
deny
this
application
we
would
be,
we
would
have
to
find,
or
we
would
have
to
be
in
agreement.
L
I
believe
whether
the
destruction
of
this
property
violates
the
potential
Integrity
of
the
district
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
state
that
and
that
I
personally
side
with
the
the
staff
findings
that
I
don't
necessarily
agree
that
this
individual
property
has
the
impact
for
the
entire
historic
district.
So
it
potentially
could
be
a
historic
district
still
with
or
without
this
property.
A
I
believe
that's
the
case
Kimberly.
If,
if
we
were
to
go
against
staff
findings
and
and
ask
for
a
designation
study,
we'd
be
looking
at
a
designation
study
for
the
entire
District
in
most.
P
That's
correct
yep,
so
that
would
be
the
outcome
of
that
is
Staff
would
prepare
a
designation
study
or
study
the
entire
District
over
the
next
year
and
report
back
to
the
commission
with
a
recommendation
on
the
district
itself.
A
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
this
one
as
well
I
I,
do
feel
your
your
pain,
I
I
question
I
asked
Aaron
about
Aaron,
okay,
Miss
Kay
about
the
the
boundaries
and
the
period
of
significance,
because
I
question
the
boundaries
as
they're
drawn
here,
just
my
knowledge
of
of
the
district
and
the
period
of
significance.
A
We
would
be
looking
specifically
at
that
the
changes
that
have
occurred
to
that
house,
even
if
it
were
a
night
you
know,
was
originally
built
in
the
19
teens
there
have
been
major
changes
and
I
would
be
looking
to
see.
Are
those
changes
within
that
period
of
significance?
So
that's
why
I
was
I'm.
Having
the
same
questions,
commissioner
Dreyer.
F
I
think
it's
interesting
to
note
that
it
appears
this
is
actually.
This
district
has
actually
come
up
several
times
as
a
possible
potential
historic
district,
but
no
one
has
ever
pursued
it.
So
I,
don't
even
if
another
designation
study
were
to
be
done,
it's
not
clear
that
that
would
necessarily
lead
to
action.
F
A
L
C
A
B
A
I
Welcome
foreign,
thank
you
to
Kimberly
as
well
for
sitting
in
on
that
item.
I
do
have
a
few
updates
for
this
evening.
I
wanted
to
note
that
our
signage
guidelines
that
were
adopted
at
our
last
meeting
were
not
appealed,
so
they
are
now
active
and
we
are
all
very
happy
about
it.
So
thank
you.
We
also
have
a
step
up
intern
that
will
be
joining
our
planning
division
starting
next
week.
I
I
also
wanted
to
make
a
note
that
our
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
design
guidelines.
We
will
be
receiving
the
final
draft
of
that
from
the
consultant
today
or
tomorrow
and
then
shortly
thereafter,
ideally
by
the
end
of
the
week,
if
not
early
next
week,
we'll
be
opening
that
up
online
for
public
comment
for
30
days.
I
This
is
all
happening
in
advance
before
you,
but
for
those
that
have
participated
and
joined
in
some
of
the
community
engagement.
This
was
a
way
to
allow
for
more
additional
comment
prior
to
it
even
become
coming
to
you
as
a
pre-step,
such
as
a
discussion
item.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
note,
because
that
has
been
a
large
project
over
the
last
six
or
last
months
and
then
also
well
I'm,
gonna,
say
the
last
one's
premature,
so
I'm
going
to
say
that
is
the
end
of
my
updates.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Miss
Burke
any
other
announcements
from
commissioners.
A
I
just
want
to
mention
that
the
state
tax
credit
legislation
has
passed.
Yay
I
know
that
this
has
come
up
in
conversation.
I've
had
some
conversation
via
email
with
commissioner
moblem
I
think
that
that
may
mean
that
we
get
more
applications
again,
so
maybe
not
as
many
canceled
meetings.
So
just
beware:
if
there
are
no
other
items
with
that,
we've
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
I
will
ask
members
and
staff
once
more.
A
If
there
are
any
other
matters
to
come
before
the
commission,
there
being
no
other
business
to
come
before
this
meeting
and
without
objection,
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
The
next
regular
meeting
of
the
Heritage
preservation
commission
is
July.
11
2022
2023
enjoy
the
holiday
on
the
fourth.
Q
Taste
and
Order
work
that
we're
doing
has
improved
the
taste
of
the
water
and
it's
been
an
initiative
that
you
know
I'm
happy
to
be
a
part
of.