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A
We're
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
to
order
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting
tonight
for
September
18th.
My
name
is
Kyle
Harrison.
We
have
two
of
our
members
out
tonight,
so
I
am
sitting
in
for
our
Chairman
Mike
Echols,
who
is
unavailable
for
tonight.
So
my
first
time
leading
and
facilitating.
So
please
forgive
me
if
I
do
break
a
protocol.
I'm
sure
mr.
Kelly
will
keep
me
in
order
here,
but
we
are
going
to
call
to
order
the
meeting
tonight
and
roll
call.
A
B
B
A
D
D
You
again,
as
you
said,
it's
that
petition
number
18,
2
0,
0,
3,
8
9,
the
applicant
Dan
and
Marsha
Hodges
requests
a
rezone
of
property
located
11
90
west
Spring
Street.
The
property
has
approximately
120
four
point:
six
feet
of
road
frontage
on
West
Spring
Street
and
approximately
260
three
feet
of
road
frontage
on
Swanson
Drive,
the
property
consists
of
0.7
36
acres.
The
recommendation
of
the
code
department
is
for
approval.
The
property
is
presently
zoned.
D
M
1,
the
requested
zoning
classification,
SB
3
requested
zoning
will
permit
a
use
that
is
suitable
in
view
of
the
use
and
development
of
adjacent
and
nearby
property.
The
change
of
Zoning
will
not
adversely
affect
the
existing
and
adjacent
property
subject.
Property
does
have
restricted
economic
uses
currently
zoned.
The
change
of
Zoning
will
not
cause
an
excess
of
our
burdensome
use
of
existing
streets,
transportation
facilities,
utilities
or
schools,
and
the
future
land-use
plan
indicates
the
property
should
be
public,
/
institutional,
which
just
shows
we
need
to
update
our
future
land-use
plan.
Okay,.
E
C
A
D
H
G
My
name
is
Chris
Colin
I
am
the
owner
of
local
restaurant
group,
which
encompasses
local
Republic
in
downtown
Lawrenceville,
and
this
particular
project
is
a
spin-off
of
local
republic.
It's
going
to
be
called
LR
burger,
we're
extremely
excited
to
be
coming
to
the
city
of
Monroe.
My
family
relocated
here
from
Gwinnett
County,
but
my
parents
have
lived
in
Monroe
for
25
years,
so
it's
very
nice
to
be
coming
home.
G
We
live
in
the
st.
Ives
community
inside
the
city
limits
of
Monroe
just
a
little
bit
about
our
family.
We
provided
some
pictures
of
what
the
restaurant
is
going
to
be.
Looking
like,
we
are
renovating
the
202
East
spring
treat
it's
an
old
gas
station.
It
was
most
recently
a
Auto,
Sales
location,
but
we're
going
to
be
renovating
that
space
and
putting
a
restaurant
in
there.
That
focuses
predominantly
on
hamburgers,
fresh-cut,
french,
fries
and
and
some
other
food
items,
but
we're
excited
about
the
design
we
feel
like
it.
G
B
G
I
believe
so
we
have
we
in
addition
to
the
car
lot,
we
also
purchased
the
building
that
was
behind
the
car
lot.
That
was
the
attorney's
office
and
that's
been
demolished,
and
the
plan
is
to
have
a
rear
entrance
where
patrons
and
deliveries
can
be
accepted
and
come
through
the
back
of
the
building
behind
and
into
the
parking
lot
alongside
so
I
believe
the
traffic
patterns
are
going
to
be
perfect
for
for
entering
and
exiting
the
parking
lot.
A
G
C
A
D
Sir,
thank
you
again.
I
do
need
to
make
one
correction
on
the
cover
sheet.
It
was
referenced
as
the
VFW
site,
but
it
is
actually
the
American
Legion
site
just
to
make
that
clear
for
everybody
applicant
proposes
to
repurpose
the
land
and
buildings
at
at
that
site
to
develop
a
planned
residential
development.
The
request
includes
a
portion
of
409
Greene,
Greenwood
Drive
tract
to
be
taken
into
the
PRD,
with
the
remainder
to
remain
r1.
With
its
current
frontage
on
Greenwood
Drive
a
little
background
on
the
property.
D
The
property
has
been
utilized
as
the
American
Legion
Post.
For
quite
some
time,
American
Legion
intends
to
relocate,
which
presents
a
substantial
opportunity
to
achieve
the
development
of
infill
development
near
the
town
center.
That
offers
a
variety
of
housing
options
and
amenities.
This
is
number
one:
eight,
zero,
zero,
three
eight
seven
and
also
one
eight
zero
zero.
Three
eight
eight,
the
applicant
mu,
L,
Properties
LLC,
requests
a
reason
for
property
located
at
3:18,
L,
Kobe,
Street
and
409
Greenwood
Drive.
D
The
project
has
approximately
nine
hundred
and
eighty
three
point:
two
feet
of
road
frontage
on
al
Kobe.
Street
property
consists
of
17
of
17
acres.
The
recommendation
of
the
code
Department
is
for
approval.
The
property
is
presently
zoned,
P
and
R.
One
requested
zoning
classification
is
P
Rd,
which
planned
residential
district
requested.
Zoning
will
permitted
use
that
a
suitable
in
view
of
the
use
and
development
of
adjacent
and
nearby
property.
The
change
of
Zoning
will
not
adversely
affect
the
existing,
an
adjacent
property
subject.
Property
does
have
restricted
economic
use
as
currently
zoned.
D
I
Good
evening
Commission,
it
is
a
pleasure
to
be
before
you
tonight.
I
know.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
here
interested
in
this
project.
A
lot
of
people
concerned
about
this
project.
For
those
of
you
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
Paul
Rosenthal
I
am
a
17-year
resident
of
the
town.
I
live
here,
I
work
here
and
I
play
here
and
I
know.
There's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
concerned
about
this
project,
but
I
can
honestly
tell
you
that
I
could
not
be
more
excited
about
this
project.
I
At
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
the
first
true
major,
large-scale
infill
project
coming
to
downtown
Monroe
in
more
than
50
years.
When
we
talk
to
people
day
in
and
day
out,
they
say
we
love
the
in
town
feel
of
Monroe,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
bring
more
real
housing,
rooftop
options
into
downtown
Monroe
so
that
we
can
have
a
true
live-work-play
environment
for
those
who
want
it.
I
want
to
get
into
all
of
the
details
of
the
project.
I
have
a
lot
of
details
that
I
want
to
show.
I
So
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
redrew
this
project
such
that
it
will
not
interconnect
with
Greenwood
Drive.
Since
that
meeting
on
June
26
I
have
been
made
aware
that
there's
been
lots
of
conjecture
and
speculation
about
somehow
I'm
trying
to
nefariously
get
the
interconnectivity
back
through
in
some
way
shape
or
form.
I
J
I
Love
to
show
you
about
this
project,
so
let
me
see
if
my
powerpoint
can
work
the
subject.
Property
is
here,
as
you
can
see,
it's
17
acres,
which
is
the
American
Legion
tract
for
those
who
don't
know
the
existing
American
Legion
building
was
built
in
1954
prior
to
the
hospital
and
the
medical
building
going
in
all
of
that
land
used
to
be
part
of
the
American
Legion
as
well.
I
We
have
our
Kobi
street
running
into
town
to
this.
So
if
you
head
north,
that
takes
you
into
town,
you
get
to
the
back
of
the
old
mill
here
off
of
Barrett
Breedlove
Drive
is
over
here
and,
of
course,
the
old
hospital
that
has
been
repurposed
into
a
special
use
hospital.
Is
there
just
to
the
south
of
the
subject:
property
veterans.
Walk
is
a
new
walkable
mixed
use,
mixed
parcel
type
project
that
I
think
is
very
good
for
Monroe.
Some
people
may
not
think
so,
but
I
fervently
believe
in
it.
I
There's
a
few
reasons
why
I
think
a
real
important
one
is
is:
is
that
by
doing
veterans
walk
the
way
that
I'm
proposing
is
it
will
save
a
historically
significant
building?
I,
don't
know
if
many
of
you
happen
to
get
on
Facebook
I
do
every
now
and
then
yesterday,
I
had
the
pleasure
of
reading
a
great
piece
posted
by
the
Monroe
museum.
Some
of
you
may
have
seen
it.
I
Now
this
is
a
historically
significant
building
built
in
1954
built
for
the
purpose
of
allowing
our
veterans
a
place
to
gather
I
can't
tell
you
the
number
of
people
I've
spoken
with
who
have
talked
about
having
their
proms
there,
their
rehearsal
dinners
and
other
meetings
by
doing
veterans
walk
this
way.
This
historically
significant
building
will
be
preserved.
I
That's
sort
of
my
biggest
passion
about
this
project
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
I
bought
them.
One
of
the
cotton
mills
ten
and
a
half
years
ago
now
and
the
reason
we
bought
it
was
because
it
was
going
to
be
sold
to
someone
who
was
going
to
tear
it
down
brick
by
brick
and
sell
off
the
parts.
I
had
the
pleasure
of
getting
to
know
miss
Snell
who's,
the
realtor
representing
the
commanders
of
the
American
Legion
who's
here
tonight,
when
I
started.
I
Why
is
because
the
budget
includes
over
a
million
dollars
being
reinvested
into
the
American
Legion
building
itself,
to
save
it,
preserve
it
and
to
honor
the
history,
not
only
this
project
of
this
building,
but
the
veterans
who
have
fellowship
there
in
the
days
before
if
this
property
had
been
sold
to
the
folks
that
I
was
essentially
competing
with
most
likely
the
building
would
have
been
razed
most
likely,
we
would
have
had
a
cookie
cutter
cul-de-sac.
Neighborhood
go
in
here.
This
project
that
you
have
proposed
before
you
tonight
is
not
cookie
cutter.
I
It
is
not
suburbia,
it
is
progressive,
forward-thinking,
true
in
town
development.
That
is
good
for
this
town,
so
it
saves
a
historically
significant
building,
but
it
also
will
set
the
quality
the
standard
for
quality
infill
development.
It's
real
important
to
do
infill
development
right.
You
have
to
do
it
right.
I,
have
lived
in
this
town
long
enough
and
I
know.
Those
before
me
have
as
well
to
see
projects
be
promised
to
be
done
well
and
then
the
aftermath
result
simply
is
not.
I
What
we
were
promised
is
not
what
we
expected
and
is
not
what
we
got.
I
am
proud
to
stand
before
you
tonight
and
tell
you
to
go
to
601
South
Madison
Avenue,
to
go
to
603,
South
Broad
Street,
to
go
to
301,
303
and
307
East,
Church,
Street
and
I'll
keep
giving
you
the
list
if
I
need
to
of
the
varied
historic
structures
that
I
could
personally
sing
to
being
saved
and
restored
properly
in
this
town
over
the
last
17
years
that
I've
lived
here,
so
my
record
speaks
for
itself.
I
I
am
NOT
just
talking
about
something
that
maybe
pretty
or
something
that
may
look
good,
I'm
talking
from
experience
about
how
I
invest
my
life,
blood,
sweat
and
tears
into
this
town
and
I
will
do
it
right
and
I
am
excited
to
do
this
project,
because
then
it
can
be
the
standard-bearer
that
this
town
looks
to
and
says.
If
you
want
to
come
to
this
town,
if
you
want
to
build
in
this
town,
we
want
it
to
look
like
that
at
least
we're
better
I'm,
not
a
developer
that
doesn't
live
in
town.
I
I
live
a
block
from
here:
1:16
William
Street
I've
renovated
three
of
the
homes
on
that
Street
myself.
Personally,
so
I'm
not
going
anywhere
and
I'm
excited
to
be
able
to
set
the
standard
for
a
good
quality
in
town
in
infill
development.
The
other
reason
why
I
love
this
project
is
because
its
market
based
I'm
not
asking
for
tax
credits.
This
isn't
what
we
call
a
lie:
tech
project-
this
isn't
an
age-restricted
project
55-plus.
Only
this
is
a
market
based
project.
We
will
build
it,
we
will
sell
to
developers
and
builders.
I
It
will
build
the
individual
in
units
themselves
and
it
will
be
a
Marcus
market-based
project
that
is
not
looking
to
tax
credits
or
some
sort
of
age
restriction
structure
to
make
the
project
work,
which
I
think
is
very
important
for
the
market.
The
project
is
truly
a
mixed-use
mix,
housing
type
project
with
the
right
wide
range
of
price
points.
If
you
cannot
afford
a
home,
there
will
be
nice
luxury
apartments
to
rent
in
this
project.
I
If
you
want
the
biggest
home,
there
will
be
three
thousand
square
foot
plus
homes
in
excess
of
a
half
million
dollars
in
this
project.
There's
a
wide
range
of
housing
options
for
residents
in
this
project
and
the
last
important
reason
why
I
think
that
veterans,
walk
is
going
to
be
good
for
Monroe
is
that
it
does
promote
real
walkability
and
street
grid
interconnectivity
with
a
real
infill,
T&D
or
true,
traditional
neighborhood
development
style
from
the
front
door
of
the
existing
American
Legion.
Building
to
the
front
door
of
our
courthouse
is
0.76
miles.
I
I
have
walked
it
myself,
a
couple
of
different
times
and
measured
it
with
Google
Maps
and
my
iPhone,
and
so
it's
less
than
a
3/4
of
a
mile
walk
from
this
project
into
the
downtown
core.
We
have
a
lot
of
new
restaurants.
We
heard
from
LR
burger
coming
in.
We
have
a
lot
of
new
retail
here
and
new
coming
in
and
they
are
looking
for.
Quality
rooftops
buy
from
their
businesses,
and
these
rooftops
that
I'm
proposing
to
bring
into
Veterans
Walk
will
be
those
types
of
rooftops
that
they
that
the
retailers
are
looking
for.
I
A
few
of
the
project
features
just
to
go
over
and
then
we'll
get
into
the
site
plan
a
little
bit
itself.
There's
multiple
housing
options:
they're
all
walkable
in
proximity
to
one
another,
the
housing
options
which
I
love
about
this
they
all
center
around
the
beautifully
restored
historic
American,
Legion
building
it
will,
sir,
as
essentially
the
clubhouse
and
the
hub
for
the
community
itself.
I
All
of
the
streets
will
be
publicly
dedicated
streets
prior
to
the
crash.
Many
of
you
may
have
dealt
with
or
experienced
these
private
drive
subdivisions
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
road
is
worn
out
and
not
available
to
be
maintained
because
the
HOA
doesn't
exist.
All
of
these
streets
within
the
project
will
be
dedicated
city
streets,
they'll,
have
double
line,
sidewalks
street
trees,
all
underground
utilities
and
a
common
decorative
lighting
scheme
all
approved
by
the
city.
This
is
a
big
one
for
me:
I
love
homes
and
I
love
people
more
than
I
love
cars.
I
Now
I
do
like
nice,
cars
and
I
like
fast
cars,
but
most
of
our
neighborhoods
built
in
the
last
50
years
focus
on
the
car
and
not
the
people.
The
garage
is
front
loaded
right
in
your
face.
We
leave
the
garage
door
up.
All
our
junk
is
sitting
out
there
for
everyone
to
see.
There
will
not
be
any
front
loaded
garages
in
the
project
at
all,
and
nearly
every
single
residence
will
be
serviced
by
rear
alley
drives.
I
Open
green
space,
we'll
look
at
in
a
few
minutes,
I
think
there's
six
different
passive
parks,
along
with
the
pool
area
that
will
allow
for
the
residents
to
have
a
good,
passive
and
active
active
outdoor
activities,
cohesive
design
standards,
each
particular
part
of
the
project
will
have
its
own
essential
covenants
and
restrictions
with
a
overarching
HOA
that
controls
it.
Ensuring
that
the
residences
throughout
the
project
are
built
correctly.
I
will
personally
be
the
architectural
review
committee
for
the
entire
project
until
it
is
completely
built
out.
I
The
other
thing
that
I'm
excited
about
is
traditional
neighborhood
developments
of
a
hundred
years
ago,
the
ones
that
we
all
say
that
we
like
and
that
we
want
to
live
in
we're
not
built
by
the
same
person.
They
were
built
with
multiple
builders
on
different.
You
know
multiple
builders
taking
different
Lots.
We
will
not
have
a
single
builder
for
this
project.
I
We
will
have
multiple
builders
and
the
reason
for
that
is
to
ensure
that
we
have
more
organic
growth
of
the
community
and
that
the
project
doesn't
feel
cookie-cutter
where
every
third
building
looks
exactly
like
the
last
third
building
that
you
come
across.
It
will
be
much
more
organic
in
its
growth,
much
like
the
residences
and
the
homes
that
folks
say
today
that
they
want
to
live
in
here
in
the
downtown
core
of
Monroe.
I
Here's
our
site
plan
I'll
be
happy
to
I,
know
it's
a
little
small
up
on
the
screen
and
there's
one
over
there
on
the
on
the
color
board.
For
you,
here's
the
clubhouse
itself,
that's
the
existing
original
American
Legion
building-
and
here
is
our
Kobe
street.
Here
is
Greenwood
Drive
with
Pollock
subdivision.
There
is
no
interconnectivity.
There
is
no
connecting
road,
the
single-family
residences,
which
I'll
talk
about
a
moment,
line,
sort
of
the
back
and
the
side
to
the
south.
There
are
brown
stones
here
which
are
attached
single-family
homes
to
the
south
of
the
clubhouse.
I
There
are
condo
flats
or
empty
nesters,
2-bedroom,
2-bath,
condo
flats,
all
service
by
elevators,
with
covered
parking
to
the
north
and
then
there's
an
apartment
building
here
fronting
on
the
street
as
well
all
17
acres.
This
is
just
one
of
the
site
plans
that
the
engineers
have
done,
showing
the
basics
of
what
a
streetscape
will
look
like.
Let
me
go
back.
You
can
see
here
just
what
the
streetscape
looks
like
to
where
you
have
a
road.
I
You
have
double
lines:
street
trees,
double
on
sidewalks
and
your
porches,
where
everybody
used
to
hang
out
and
talk
or
right
up
on
the
road
they're,
not
a
hundred
feet
off
the
road
to
where
you
don't
know
and
can't
see
your
neighbors
they're,
not
a
garage
in
your
face.
Instead,
it's
a
porch
in
your
face.
The
porches
will
all
be
approximately
five
to
ten
feet
right
off
of
the
sidewalk
itself.
I
Next,
we
have
just
an
artist's
rendering.
This
is
an
aerial
from
out
Kobe
Street,
here's,
the
clubhouse,
here's
the
apartment
building
here
are
the
condo
buildings
to
the
north.
Here
are
some
of
the
residents
as
single-family
detached
residences
to
the
south
and
hearing
to
see
a
little
bit
of
the
corner
of
the
brownstones.
The
project
has
three
different
entrances
from
alcove
e
we
did
want
to
have
more.
Pterence
is
on
Sherwood
and
gone
Greenwood,
and
we
are
not
connecting
to
Greenwood.
I
I
will
go
back
and
show
this
because
there's
been
some
question
on
that
we
are
leaving
a
reserve
strip
to
connect.
Excuse
me
to
connect
to
Sherwood
if
we're
able
to,
and
let
me
explain
that
so
that
there's
no
question
because
I
was
very
clear
in
my
meeting
on
June
26
and
I'm
gonna
be
very
clear
here
again
tonight,
but
it
seems
that
my
versions
get
modified
after
they
leave
the
room
I'm
not
connecting
to
Greenwood
Drive.
Originally
I
had
wanted
to
connect
the
Greenwood
Drive,
but
I'm
not
doing
that.
I
I
would
love
to
connect
to
Sherwood
dry,
because
dead-end
streets,
where
there's
darkness,
there's
not
light
and
dead
end
streets,
usually
bring
crime
and
I
have
spoken
with
police
and
there
seems
to
be
crime
and
trash
left
at
the
end
of
Sherwood.
So
I
would
love
to
connect
to
it
when
I
originally
got
the
drawing.
I
From
the
first
engineer
back,
we
thought
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
connect
to
Sherwood
just
off
of
the
existing
end
of
Sherwood,
but
essentially
that
end
of
Sherwood
is
in
the
75-foot
Creek
buffer,
and
we
cannot
connect
to
it.
If
I
am
able
to
acquire
this
piece
of
land
from
a
local
landlord,
then
I
could
demolish
those
two
rentals
and
I
could
curve
and
connect
Sherwood
into
the
project.
This
pocket
park,
which
you'll
see
in
a
few
moments
on
another
drawing
I,
am
leaving
in
the
master
plan
as
what's
called
a
reserve
strip.
I
So
for
now
it
will
be
a
pocket
park
if
I
am
ever
able
to
connect
to
Sherwood.
By
buying
this
parcel,
I
would
have
to
reroute
Sherwood
I
would
have
to
pay
to
reroute
Sherwood,
it
would
curve,
and
it
would
come
in
this
way
if
you
can
see
that
that
is
a
possibility.
There's
no
hidden
agenda
about
that.
I
I
would
love
to
connect
to
Sherwood,
because
what
experience
tells
us
in
histories
when
we
have
these
dead-end
streets,
we
end
up
with
things
at
the
end
of
dead-end
streets
that
we
don't
want
and
right
now,
if
you've
ever
driven
down
Sherwood,
if
you
haven't
I
encourage
you
to
do
so,
you
have
to
use
somebody's
driveway
to
turn
around
there's
no
way
to
turn
around
on
Sherwood
right
now,
so,
but
Greenwood
we're
not
connecting
to
it.
We
are
leaving
a
reserve
so
that,
hopefully
we
could
connect
to
show
it
in
the
future.
I
I,
don't
think
it
will
be
a
possibility
practically
due
to
the
costs,
but
I
would
love
to.
If
we
can
back
to
the
aerials.
This
is
from
alcove
II.
You
can
see
the
building
the
American
Legion
building
with
the
pool
and
background
will
come
I'll
come
back
to
the
fire
pit,
a
moment:
apartment
building,
condo,
building,
single-family,
residential
and
brownstones
on
to
the
next
aerial.
This
is
looking
from
the
back
of
the
property
almost
as
if
you're
on
the
creek
you
know
and
on
a
drone
over
the
creek
looking
towards
alcove
II.
I
Few
of
the
amenities
we've
talked
about
them,
but
I'll
highlight
them.
The
clubhouse
is
probably
the
biggest
amenity.
Approximately
one-third
of
the
8,000
square
feet
of
the
Club
of
the
American
Legion
building
will
be
dedicated
for
use
for
the
residences,
their
Clubhouse.
It
will
include
a
large
meeting
room.
It
will
include
a
theater
room,
a
workout
room.
It
will
have
pool
based
bathrooms
for
use
of
the
pool,
etc.
In
addition,
approximately
1/2
to
2/3
of
the
space
will
be
reserved
for
light
commercial.
I
It
is
our
desire
to
land
a
restaurant
in
part
of
that
a
neighborhood
cafe,
that's
open
for
lunch
and
breakfast
and
maybe
dinner
a
couple
of
nights
a
week,
but
a
neighborhood
cafe
that
offers
lunch
and
breakfast
five
to
six
days.
A
week
along
with
a
restaurant,
a
dinner
rest
dinner
menu
to
two
or
three
nights
a
week
would
be
our
desire
to
land
one
to
the
north
of
the
building
itself.
I
The
rest
of
the
property
of
the
rest
of
the
building
would
be
like
commercial,
such
as
offices
will
build
out
two
to
three
spec
offices
so
that,
hopefully,
as
we
sell
off
units
to
say
an
accountant,
an
architect
sell
off
homes,
an
accountant,
an
architect
or
an
attorney,
and
he
wants
an
office
that
he
can
walk
to.
There's
two
or
three
lied
offices
that
can
be
rented
out
for
light
commercial
uses
and
again
hopefully,
we
can
also
land
a
restaurant
as
well.
I
That's
the
clubhouse,
that's
sort
of
the
center
of
the
entire
project,
that's
sort
of
ground
zero
where
everyone
will
come.
Additionally,
there
are
six
passive
parks
a
little
hard
to
see.
If
you
see
the
blue,
all
the
green
in
front
of
the
lead
we'll
be
retained.
All
those
old,
pecans
and
oaks
in
front
of
the
légion
will
be
retained
to
the
south
of
the
legion
there's
additional
pecans
that
are
going
to
be
retained.
I
Then
there's
a
passive
park
up
here
that
could
become
a
road
one
day,
there's
two
or
three
additional
passive
parks
here
into
the
back
corner
of
the
project
as
well
plenty
of
passive
park
areas
that
will
all
be
regularly
maintained
by
the
HOA.
That
will
allow
the
residents
to
have
good
areas
to
to
work
housing
up
to
to
play.
Excuse
me
here
we
have
the
pool
hot
tub.
This
will
be
a
pool
directly
to
the
south
of
the
building
itself.
It
will
be
a
large
Junior,
Olympic
or
bigger
sized
pool.
I
It
will
have
a
hot
tub
feature
and
it
will
be
an
area
where
the
residents,
of
course,
regularly
gather.
Next.
We
have
a
tot
lot
in
the
fire
pit.
This
is
another
one
that
I'm
very
excited
about.
Maybe
a
lot
of
people
don't
get
excited
about
history,
but
I
do
so.
I
have
an
eight-year-old
an
eleven
year
old,
so
they've
kind
of
outgrown
the
top
watt
idea,
but
we
will
have
a
small
playground
for
families
for
mothers
and
small
children.
But
right
here
is
the
fire
pit.
I
I,
don't
know
anyone
who's
lived
in
this
town,
long
enough,
who
hasn't
been
given
some
chicken
dinner
tickets
to
go
by
the
American
Legion
on
Saturday
and
pick
up
their
chicken
dinner
either
cooked
by
First,
Christian
Church
or
one
of
the
other.
Many
folks
who
have
used
the
fire
pit
I'm
excited
to
tell
you
that
that's
going
to
be
my
personal
pet
project,
exactly
how
the
fire
pit
gets.
Repurposed
I
cannot
tell
you
today.
I
can't
tell
you
this
is
I'm
gonna
save
that
fire
pit.
It
will
become
some
sort
of
fire
feature.
I
Maybe
it
becomes
a
grill
again.
Maybe
it
becomes
a
a
water
fountain
with
fire
in
and
I,
don't
know,
but
it
will
be
saved
and
repurposed
for
the
community
to
enjoy
and
use,
and
hopefully
for
folks
who
did
who
were
given
chicken
dinner
tickets,
such
as
myself
by
Marvin
Sarles
every
time
he
went
out
there
and
cooked
chicken
dinners
for
the
First
Christian
Church,
hopefully
I'll
be
able
to
take
some
of
my
grandchildren
out
there
and
say
this
fire
pit
has
been
here
for
more
than
a
hundred
years.
I
I'm
building
this
project,
not
for
me
I'm,
building
this
project
for
my
grandchildren
so
that
fire
pit
will
be
repurposed
and
saved
and
I'm
excited
about
that
housing
overview.
The
project
can
see
a
total
of
126
housing
units,
60
detached
single-family
homes,
16
attached,
brownstones,
32,
bedroom
condos.
It
will
be
located
in
215
unit,
three-story
buildings
and
then
20
luxury
apartments
in
a
single
three-story
building,
all
of
the
the
condos
and
the
apartments
will
have
covered
parking
either
underneath
the
building
or
to
the
rear
of
the
property
itself.
I
Like
I,
said
a
total
of
126
housing
units,
the
project
will
have
an
overall
density
of
7.4
units
to
the
acre.
That
is
not
an
excessive
level
of
density.
Given
other
types
of
projects
in
the
area
are
I
believe
are
are
to
allow
six
units
to
the
acre,
as
it
is
right
now
and
you
can
even
get
up
to
10
units
to
an
acre.
This
is
a
total
of
seven
point.
Four
units
acre
with
an
overall
blended
mix
and
more
than
three
and
a
half
acres
or
21%,
of
the
projects
being
retained
in
open
space.
I
To
show
you
the
types
of
houses
and
housing
options,
a
little
bit
I
have
a
few
exemplary
photos.
Several
people
have
asked
me:
what
is
this
project
like
I,
don't
like
to
compare
because
I
want
it
to
be
its
own
project.
I,
want
veterans,
walk
to
be
a
project
that
people
know
about
and
drive
to,
Monroe
to
see,
but
the
best
example
locally
that
I
can
give.
You
is
Clarks
Grove
in
Covington,
so
if
you've
been
to
Clarks
Grove
in
Covington
and
you've
seen
that
project.
I
That
is
a
really
good
example:
a
really
good,
similar
type
project.
Where
there's
a
couple
of
central
parcels
that
are
used
for
a
community
purpose
there.
It's
a
Montessori
School
here,
it'll
be
a
clubhouse
with
mixed
housing
options
located
all
around
the
periphery,
single-family
condos
and
brownstones,
and
several
the
pictures
that
we
look
at
actually
are
examples
of
homes
straight
out
of
Clarks
Grove.
I
I
You
can
see
just
some
examples
of
photos
that
we
took
I
took
them
from
Clarks,
Grove,
primarily
and
a
few
other
neighborhoods
in
the
Covington
area.
So
these
are
a
few
examples.
Your
your
porches
are
right
up
on
the
road.
Your
sidewalks
are
right
there
and
you
walk
right
to
the
front
door
in
about
15
feet.
Another
few
examples
of
some
homes
in
the
detached
single-family
area,
both
single-story
and
two-story.
These
homes
can
range
anywhere
in
size
from
1,600
square
feet
in
excess
of
3,000
square
feet.
I
If
someone
wants
a
small
home,
but
they
want
it
detached,
then
you
can
build
a
more
cottage
style
feel
such
as
this
one.
Here,
if
you
want
a
large
home,
you
can
build
a
two-story
here,
so
you
could
have
someone
who's
retired,
who
doesn't
have
children.
It
still
doesn't
want
to
be
in
a
condo.
They
want
a
single-family
home.
I
They
could
go
into
a
smaller
cottage
style
house
in
this
area
or
someone
with
a
growing
family
that
needs
3,200
square
feet
could
go
into
a
larger,
two-story,
four-bedroom
three
and
a
half
bath
type
home
in
all
in
this
area.
That's
the
beauty
of
the
flexibility
of
this
project.
Here
we
have
the
attached
brownstones.
These
would
be
single-family
brownstones
with
covered
parking
to
the
rear.
I
Some
people
call
brownstones
townhomes
there
that
you
can
call
them
a
townhome
if
you
want.
These
are
some
examples
of
the
brownstones
that
are
actually
located
in
Clarks
Grove,
but
they
are
attached
with
parapet
or
common
brick
wall
homes
next
door
to
each
other.
There's
16
of
these
four
buildings
of
four.
These
will
face
onto
the
go
back
here.
You
can
see
they'll
face
onto
the
clubhouse
area
there
to
the
north.
So
just
a
couple
exemplary
photos
of
these.
I
The
attached,
brownstones,
the
two-bedroom
condo
flats,
I'm-
probably
most
excited
about
these
because
I
think
there's
a
need.
There
are
folks
who,
through
the
years,
have
told
me
specifically
folks
that
I
know
say
well
you
build
some
condos.
Will
you
build
some
brownstones
in
town
and
I,
dismissed
them
and
Here
I
am
10
years
later,
and
I
am
building
some
brownstones
and
condos.
These
condos
are
two
bedroom
two
and
two
and
a
half
bath
flats,
their
elevator,
their
rear
access.
You
can
walk
in
the
front
door.
There
is
a
brand
new
one
of
these.
I
I
Don't
want
to
leave
the
town,
but
don't
need
the
headache
of
the
maintenance
of
a
yard
anymore
and
don't
need
a
bunch
of
room,
so
these
can
range
in
size
anywhere
from
1,200
square
feet
up
to
1,800
square
feet,
but
they
stay
in
that
two
bedroom,
two
to
two-and-a-half
bath
size
and
they're,
very
manageable,
but
very
nice
high
quality
units
that
folks
can
live
in
can
own
and
all
the
parking
is
covered
in
the
rear.
I'm
really
excited
about
these
I
literally
have
a
list
of
about
six
people.
I
Who've
already
told
me
that
they
won't
want
as
soon
as
we
start
building
them.
I
can
show
you
a
few
examples.
This
is
the
finished
completed,
condo
building
in
phase
one
of
Clarks
Grove.
That
was
built
back
in
about
2009
and
then
let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
inspiration.
Some
of
you
may
recognize
that
photo
right
there,
which
is
the
walton
hotel.
So
whenever
you
try
and
preserve
history,
if
it's
already
been
torn
down,
then
there's
only
so
much
preservation.
I
You
can
do
so
I'm
trying
to
preserve
the
history
of
the
American
League's
ability
by
preventing
it
from
being
torn
down,
but
we
also
can
honor
history
by
looking
to
some
of
our
architectural
features
in
the
town,
so
the
inspirational
architectural
feature,
building
that
I'm
using
is
the
Walt
hotel
located
right
next
to
my
office
here
in
downtown
Monroe.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
this?
I
I
Towers
I'm
not
going
to
get
the
right
terminology.
The
finials
on
the
very
top
corners
will
take
a
lot
of
those
features.
I'll
take
them
to
the
architect
and
say:
let's
design
the
building
to
honor
the
look
of
the
Walton
Hotel.
So
I'm
excited
to
to
tell
you
that
these
three
buildings,
the
one
apartment
building
the
two
condo
buildings,
will
have
a
little
day.
They
will
be
red
brick
that
I
know
and
they
will
honor
a
lot
of
the
features
of
the
Walt
hotel
bill
itself.
This
is
the
brand-new
building
in
Clarks
Grove.
I
That
was
just
finished.
The
gentlemen
that
built
it
mister
Randy
Benson,
is
a
great
land
planner
and
a
great
visionary.
He
actually
helped
me
with
the
initial
conceptual
site
plan
for
veterans.
Walk,
helped
me
work
through
a
lot
of
those
before
he
passed
the
torch
on
to
my
civil
engineer,
land
planner
that
I'm
using
now
to
get
the
final
plans
in
place.
So
that's
that
this
building
was
just
finished
in
maybe
April
June
April,
May
June.
They
pre-sold
I
believe
seven
of
the
eleven
units
they
have
two
or
three
left
wildly
successful.
I
Building
just
half
an
hour
south
of
us
in
Covington
and
Clarks
Grove
is
a
similar
distance
from
their
courthouse.
Our
courthouse
is
3/4
a
mile
from
this
project.
Their
courthouse
is
about
eight
tenths
of
a
mile
from
Clarks
Grove.
The
luxury
apartment
building
will
also
be
fronting
on
alcove
E
Street
it'll
be
a
similar
looking
building,
but
instead
of
it
being
individually
sold
condos
to
individuals,
it
will
be
common
ownership,
it
will
be
managed
and
maintained,
like
an
apartment.
Complex
would
be
with
with
a
20
nice
high-end
apartment
units.
I
Again,
the
look
of
the
structure
will
be
similar
to
the
walton
hotel
that
you
see
right
here
in
downtown.
The
project
will
be
phased
so
that
not
only
we
can
afford
it,
but
also
so
that
it
builds
out
properly,
and
you
can
see
the
phasing
here
highlighted
on
this
map,
essentially
the
multifamily
options,
which
would
be
the
brownstones,
the
condos,
the
apartments,
the
clubhouse
itself
and
eighteen
of
the
60
single-family
residences
would
be
built
in
phase
one
which
is
here
highlighted
in
the
green
and
then
phase
two
will
be
built.
I
Second,
which
is
the
remainder
of
the
single-family
residential
units.
Y'all
may
not
know
this,
but
I'm
sure
that
you
do,
but
I
want
to
highlight
this
because
I'm
excited
about
this.
Our
zoning
ordinance
states
many
goals,
various
goals
for
plan
developments
that,
when
we're
looking
at
a
plan,
development
that
we
want
to
meet
and
I'm
excited
to
tell
you
that
we
meet
every
single
one
of
them,
except
for
one
and
one
of
those
I
wanted
to.
But
the
neighborhood
didn't
want
me
to
connect.
I
So
I
want
to
go
through
these,
because
it's
really
important
to
understand
that
years,
past
I
think
maybe
in
2012
or
2013,
we
passed
a
zoning
ordinance.
That
said,
this
is
what
we
want:
building
and
construction
to
look
like
this
is
how
we
want
neighborhoods
to
be
built.
This
project
meets
those
goals.
This
project
accomplishes
and
checks
off
all
of
those
things
and
I
want
to
go
through
these
there's
13
of
them,
but
I
think
they're
important
parking
facilities
should
not
be
in
the
front.
I
They
should
only
be
utilized
in
rare
circumstances,
there's
no
front
loaded
parking
along
our
Kobe
Street.
Everything
is
to
the
rear,
so
we
have
that
one
met
vast
expanses
of
asphalt,
concrete
shouldn't
be
visible
from
public
right-of-ways
parking
should
be
interspersed
with
appropriate
landscaping,
island
buffers
and
strips
we've
done
all
that
on
this
site
plan,
we're
not
going
to
have
a
big
vast,
concrete
asphalt
parking
lot
right
in
your
face.
Instead,
the
green
space
right
in
front
of
the
légion
building
itself
will
be
preserved.
I
Walkability
of
all
parcels
should
be
a
priority
in
planning
design
all
of
these
homes.
All
of
these
living
units
will
be
able
to
easily
walk
not
only
to
the
clubhouse,
but
also
an
easy
3/4
of
mile
walk
to
downtown.
That
is
meant
interconnectivity
of
parcels,
this
project
interconnects
well
amongst
itself,
but
we
are
not
interconnected
to
any
other
street
other
than
al
Kovac.
At
the
request
of
the
Pollock
subdivision
folks,
which
is
fine,
so
we
don't
meet
that
goal.
I
Building
setback
should
be
in
conformity
to
the
surrounding
areas.
Deep
front
setbacks
are
discouraged
and
zero
lot
line.
Setbacks
are
encouraged
throughout
appropriate
areas
of
the
city
core,
which
this
is
one
of
those
important
core
city
areas
where
we
have
some
zero
lot
setbacks
along
the
frontage
there
of
the
condo
bility
in
the
apartment.
Building
street
trees,
along
with
appropriate,
approved
landscape
plans,
should
be
considered.
We've
got
a
great
landscape
architect
on
board
who's,
going
to
give
us
a
heavy-duty
landscape
plan.
I
We
have
over
$200,000
identified
for
the
landscaping
package
alone
for
this
project
and
we're
looking
forward
to
it
being
a
beautiful
project.
All
plan
development
district
should
have
sidewalk
sidewalk
line
street
tree
sidewalk
sidewalk
line
tree
sidewalks
Street
line
sidewalks
with
street
trees,
minimum
of
5
feet
and
a
minimum
of
2
feet
with
a
planter.
We
have
I
think
a
four
foot
planter
with
street
trees.
All
along
the
street.
I
We
meet
that
common
lighting
fixtures.
All
sorts
of
hard
skate
materials,
trash
receptacles
will
all
be
consistent
throughout
there'll,
be
multiple
pavilions
all
along
the
common
passive
park,
areas
that
will
be
for
use
by
the
residents
and
controlled
by
the
HOA.
This
is
one
that
I'm
real
excited
about
mixed
form
of
residential
dwelling
units
is
highly
encouraged
attached
and
detached
single
family
units
along
with
multifamily
units,
can
coexist
harmoniously
in
close
proximity.
I
I
Traditional
neighborhood
designs,
including
the
use
of
rear
alley,
drives.
We
use
rear
alley
drives
on
about
98%
of
all
of
the
units
in
this
project
and
I'm
excited
for
that
there
won't
be
any
front
loaded
garages
front
facing
garages.
Coal,
sacks
and
residential
developers
are
not
willing
or
connected,
should
be
avoided,
we're
as
interconnected
as
we
can.
We
have
no
front
facing
garages
and
we
have
no
cul-de-sacs.
We
have
one
turnaround
that
has
a
pocket
park
in
the
middle
of
it
and
that's
just
required
due
to
the
design.
I
So
we
meet
all
of
those
goals
and
then
I
believe
the
last
one
is
ya,
know:
vinyl,
siding
or
metal
sided
Butler
buildings.
We
will
have
no
vinyl
siding
whatsoever
in
this
project.
There
will
be
no
slabs
on
grade
four,
the
single-family
residential.
They
will
all
be
on
crawls
or
basements
or
raised
slabs.
So
this
is
not
cheap
construction.
This
is
all
a
high
quality
project.
I
All
of
the
exterior
will
be
Brooke,
brick,
wood,
masonry
products
or
other
types
of
hearty
planks,
and
the
like
that
will
promote
the
traditional
and
historic
design
standards
that
we
see
predominantly
through
the
in
town
neighborhoods.
So
I'm
excited
to
tell
you
that
all
of
those
12
of
those
13
goals
that
this
zoning
ordinance
says
we
should
meet,
are
met
with
this
project
and
I'm,
proud
of
that,
because
it's
the
right
type
of
build-out
for
this
community.
It's
the
right
time
for
this
type
of
build-out.
I
We've
all
heard
about
these
four
restaurants
that
we've
got
coming
in
the
next
18
months.
Those
restaurants
are
looking
for
additional
rooftops
to
fill
their
seats,
and
this
type
of
project
will
do
that.
So
in
summary,
I'm
asking
for
a
recommend
for
approval
from
this
commission
to
send
up
to
mayor
and
council
that
the
17
acre
parcel,
that
is,
the
alko,
be
on
our
Kobe
Street.
That
is
the
American
Legion.
I
With
about
1.2
acres
from
the
Greenwood
tract
on
this
side
of
the
creek,
be
zoned
from
P
and
R
1
to
P
Rd,
with
uses
of
sixty
single-family
detached
homes,
16
attached,
brownstones,
32,
bedroom,
condos,
20
apartments,
the
repurposed
light
commercial
American,
Legion
building
itself
and
with
all
the
additional
conditions
that
are
outlined
in
the
rezoning
application.
I
won't
get
into
all
of
those
and
list
them
all
out,
but
there's
a
whole
host
of
them
in
there
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
through
and
go
over
any
of
them.
B
A
A
I
The
let
me
give
you
both
house
sizes
and
price
points
on
the
apartments.
Those
apartments
will
range
in
size
from
nine
hundred
square
feet
up
to
1,400
square
feet,
with
an
average
being
approximately
1,200
square
feet
with
a
rental
price
range
of
950
to
1250
on
the
condos
themselves.
Smallest
condo
of
the
about
1,200
square
feet.
They'll
go
up
to
about
1,800
square
feet.
The
average
will
be
about
1,400
square
feet.
The
price
points
on
the
condos
would
be
basically
low,
200s
to
275
the
average
expected
to
be
about
225.
I
Most
of
the
units
that
have
been
selling
in
Clarks
Grove
in
the
last
year
actually
been
in
the
240
to
250
range,
so
we're
being
conservative
and
putting
those
in
more
of
the
225
range.
The
brownstones
themselves
will
have
an
average
size
of
we'll
be
in
range
in
size,
from
1,300
to
2500
square
feet
with
an
average
size
of
1,600
square
feet.
The
price
range
for
the
brownstones
is
225
to
295,
with
an
average
price
of
250,
and
then
the
homes
can
vary
widely.
As
I
talked
about.
I
You
could
have
a
cottage
feel
all
the
way
down
to
1600
square
feet
in
excess
of
3,000
square
feet.
We
expect
the
average
home
to
be
approximately
2,400
square
feet
most
of
the
tnd
neighborhoods
that
we
look
at
they
range
between
2000
and
2500
square.
Feet
is
sort
of
your
average
and
we
see
those
average
home
prices
being
325
to
350.
They
could
go
as
low
as
250
if
you
have
a
smaller
1,600
square
foot
cottage
and
they
certainly
can
and
will
go
north
of
450
and
500
depending
upon
the
sides.
I
A
H
K
Are
known
to
my
neighbors
this
bill,
which
is
what
it
ought
to
be?
We
have
an
opposition
to
the
zoning
variance
on
Greenwood
Drive.
We
do
not
want
four
houses
on
three
Lots
and
I've
set
here
tonight
and
heard
all
of
this
expansion
of
all
the
property.
That's
there
and
do
not
understand
mr.
chairman,
why
we
need
to
come
into
our
subdivision
and
disrupt
a
historic
district
of
Monroe.
A
K
K
A
E
D
A
K
Understood
we,
we
have
two
reasons
that
we
oppose
number
one.
This
zoning
has
been
in
fact
ever
since
this
community
has
started
back
in
the
50s
and
the
60s
requiring
at
least
a
hundred
feet.
Frontage
for
a
house
and
Paul
is
asking
for
seventy
seven
feet
and
wants
to
put
four
hot
four
houses
on
three
Lots
with
two
driveways.
We
are
opposed
to
that
and
we're
opposed
because
it
will
change
the
character
of
our
community.
K
Secondly,
we're
opposed
to
it
because
this
will
set
a
precedent
for
the
other
lots
that
are
empty
in
our
community,
for
people
to
come
and
ask
for
the
same
kind
of
variance
yeah,
and
so
we
would
like
for
you
to
reject
that
part
of
the
plan
that
front
Greenwood,
Drive
and
we'd
love
for
Paul
to
bill
three
very
nice
houses
on
the
three
Lots
that
he
owns.
Thank
you.
D
If
y'all
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
clarify
that
the
variance
portion
that
would
allow
for
additional
lots
and
the
reduced
road
frontage
isn't
even
under
consideration
at
this
point,
the
rezone
is
just
for
the
portion
of
the
of
the
Greenwood
tract
that
would
be
taken
into
veterans
walk.
So
that's
what
we're
discussing
now.
The
remainder
of
the
lot
would
be
what's
considered
in
the
variance
and
it's
it's
certainly
large
enough
to
contain
three
three
Lots
with
the
hundred
100
foot.
F
I
I
Going
to
show
you
actually
on
this
large
format
here
and
I
can
probably
get
back
to
it
on
that
and
show
you
so
I
have
a
plant
here
that
we'll
try
and
hopefully
make
this
make
sense.
Okay,
I,
the
the
American
Legion
property
is
fifteen
point:
seven,
four:
eight
acres,
okay,
I'm
taking
1.2
acres
off
the
back
that
will
not
affect
the
neighborhood
and
adding
it
to
the
American
Legion
project,
so
I'm
drawing
a
red
line
right
now,
so
that
the
neighbors
can
see
it.
I
That's
on
the
other
side
of
the
creek,
not
in
your
neighborhood,
on
the
other
side
of
the
creek
and
adding
it
to
the
American
Legion
property,
so
that
the
reason
that
I'm
asking
for
now
is
for
17
acres
as
soon
as
we
get
through
this
one
I'm
asking
for
a
variance
and
if
you
pose
it,
that's
fine
on
1.85,
two
acres,
the
remaining
frontage,
which
is
this
area
here,
this
piece
of
dirt
1.85
two
acres
will
not
be
rezone.
It
will
remain
r1.
I
This
question
that
were
is
before
them
now
is
for
this
17
acre
piece,
which
does
include
1.2
acres
of
Carroll
dues,
former
property.
But
it's
all
here's
the
creek
line.
You
see
that
that's
your
Creek
on
all
of
the
1.2
acres
is
down
on
what
I
call
the
American
Legion
side
of
the
creek,
so
I'm
not
asking
to
rezone
any
property
that
fronts
on
Greenwood
Drive.
In
fact,
1.85
two
acres
on
Greenwood
Drive
will
remain
r1,
regardless
of
what
happens
on
any
variance
request
and.
A
D
A
To
make
sure
I've
heard
approved,
or
the
the
gentleman's
comments
correctly,
that
that
was
one
of
the
big
concerns
that
they
didn't
want.
The
neighborhood
change
to
where
somebody
could
come
into
a
vacant
lot
on
Greenwood
and
then
reduce
it
down,
and
that
would
not
be
the
case
under
this.
Is
that
correct?
It.
D
A
F
I
Will
be
happy
to
add.
I
do
know
that
that
particular
area
it
calls
for
fencing
as
well
as
Leyland
cypress
plants
along
that
area.
I'll
speak
to
it.
This
way
is
we
will
be
happy
to
address
any
buffering.
Our
application
says
that
we
will
do
all
necessary,
fencing
and
natural
buffering
required.
What
I
will
say
about
Greenwood.
Drive,
though,
is
is,
is
that
as
you
as
you
get
down
to
the
creek
right
75
feet
off
of
the
creek
we
can't
touch
so
the
reality
of
it
is.
Is
that
while
I
do
understand,
mr.
I
Roberts
pool
is
very
close
to
the
property
line
and
I'll
be
happy
to
address
that
that
area
in
any
other
areas
where
we
have
specific
problems,
the
creek
bed
itself
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
strong
natural
buffer.
There
will
be
fencing
where
necessary.
I
cannot
say
that
we're
going
to
fence
the
entire
property,
because
candidly
I
don't
think
that
it
would
be
appropriate
or
necessary,
but
we
will
absolutely
do
any
fencing
that
needs
to
be
done
along
the
Greenwood
or
the
pollak
subdivision
connectivity
I'm
happy
to
specifically
meet
with
mr.
I
Roberts
and
specifically
address
any
fencing
or
planted
buffers
with
him
along
that
area,
since
he
does
have
some
sort
of
pool
or
pool
house
or
house
very
close
to
the
road
and
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
I
think
there's
other
areas
where
really
is
pretty
dense,
Old
Forest
that
it's
not
necessary
but
where
it's
open
and
where
it
is
necessary,
will
absolutely
do
that.
If
you
look
at
the
the
old
hospital
there's
a
pretty
good
stand
of
trees
along
there.
I
That
gives
good
natural
cover,
but
they're
getting
you
know,
they're
tall,
so
we'll
probably
come
in
along
there
and
put
fencing
in
where
necessary,
to
keep
the
inner.
But
we
want
to
promote
interconnectivity
within
the
project.
All
of
the
project
will
have
double
line
and
sidewalks
that
will
get
you
out
to
the
main
sidewalk
on
alcove
II.
I
There's
lots
of
walkability
within
the
project,
so
there's
really
not
going
to
be
any
need
or
purpose
for
folks
to
not
be
walking
where
they're
not
supposed
to,
but
we
are
happy
to
specifically
address
any
of
those
sensing
buffering
set
off
issues
and
I
know
that
mr.
Roberts
in
particular,
is
one
that
we
need
to
be
sensitive
to,
because
most
of
the
other
homes
are
a
good
hundred
feet,
plus
away
from
the
property
line,
but
his
home
I
camera.
A
B
D
The
stream
buffers
50
feet
undisturbed
that
75
foot
number
was
for
impervious
surface
as
well,
and
yeah.
The
buffer
requirements
in
the
zoning
ordinance
are
normally
reviewed
and
and
required,
based
on
separation
of
uses
oftentimes,
it's
not
required
between
residential
uses,
but
between
a
plan
district
and
an
existing
residential
neighborhood
would
probably
consider
under
streak
wiring
some
okay.
A
D
Sir,
thank
you
again.
The
applicant
wishes
to
construct
forests
divide
the
property
into
four
single-family
resident
Lots.
On
one
point,
eight
five,
two
acres
square
footage
of
the
parcel
could
potentially
yield
five
point:
seven
six
units
based
on
a
1414
thousand
square-foot
minimum
lot
area.
The
applicant
requests
the
reduction
of
required
street
frontage
from
100
feet
to
77
feet
to
accommodate
subdivision
into
four
Lots
reading.
D
The
petition
here
is
this
petition
number
one:
eight:
zero,
zero;
three,
eight
six
and
the
applicant
mu,
L
Properties
LLC
requests
the
variance
of
article
7
section,
seven
hundred
point:
1
table
11
of
the
zoning
ordinance
for
a
lot
with
minimum.
The
request
is
for
409
Greenwood
Drive.
The
property
consists
of
a
total
of
one
point:
eight
five,
two
acres,
as
previously
mentioned,
the
property
has
a
total
of
approximately
three
hundred
and
ten
point.
Four
nine
feet
of
road
frontage
on
Greenwood
Drive,
the
code
Department
recommends
approval.
D
The
extraordinary
and
exceptional
conditions
pertaining
to
the
subject:
property
because
of
size,
shape
or
topography
are
none.
The
literal
application
of
this
ordinance
does
not
create
an
unnecessary
hardship.
The
variance
would
not
cause
substantial
detriment
to
a
public
good
or
impair
the
purposes
or
intent
of
this
ordinance.
The
variance
does
confer
upon
the
property
of
the
applicant,
a
special
privilege
denied
to
other
properties
in
the
district.
The
special
circumstances
surrounding
the
request
for
the
variance
are
the
result
of
X
by
the
applicant.
D
The
variance
is
not
a
request
to
permit
a
use
of
land
buildings
or
structures
which
is
not
permitted
by
right
or
by
conditional
use
in
the
district.
The
zoning
proposal
is
is
not
consistent
with
the
construction,
design,
standards
and
design
criteria
adopted
by
the
City
of
Monroe,
and
the
variance
is
not
the
minimum
variance
that
will
make
possible
and
economically
by
use
of
the
land,
buildings
or
structure.
I
I
First
is
all
I'm
wanting
to
do
is
be
able
to
take
a
piece
of
dirt
that
would
allow
me
on
in
dirt
size
to
build
five
and
a
half
homes,
but
in
terms
of
road,
frontage
only
allows
for
three
homes,
I'm
asking
for
me,
I'm
asking
for
a
23%
reduction
in
the
road
frontage
to
take
it
down
from
a
hundred
feet
to
77
feet
to
allow
for
four
Lots
on
the
property
instead
of
three.
So
a
couple
of
things,
the
Lots
will
remain
our
one
residential.
The
Lots
will
all
be
much
larger
than
the
minimum.
I
Our
one
size,
the
minimum,
our
one
size,
is
14,000
square
feet
roughly
a
third
of
an
acre.
All
four
of
these
Lots,
as
you'll,
see
in
a
moment,
are
much
larger
than
that.
The
only
reduction
requested
is
is
that
the
frontage
be
reduced
from
a
hundred
feet
to
77
feet.
That's
the
only
reduction
request
is
a
23%
reduction.
Everyone
knows
where
they
are
because
you
all
live
over
there,
but
let's
look
at
the
vicinity
map
anyway.
This
is
Pollock
subdivision
here
generally,
the
subject
property
is
highlighted
in
green.
I
The
green
part
is
the
1.85
two
acres
and
if
you
can
see
that
little
1.2
acre
piece
is
the
part
that
belongs
to
or
goes
with,
the
veterans
walk
project
now
and
the
creek
is
right
in
that
area
as
well.
So
this
is
the
subject
property
that
we're
asking
for
a
single
variance
to
be
reduced
from
a
hundred
feet
to
77
feet.
This
is
a
the
site
plan
from
the
land
planners.
I
If
we
zoom
in
here,
you
can
see
them
a
little
bit
better
lot.
One
is
18
19
thousand
square
feet
lot.
2
is
almost
20,000
square
feet
lot.
3
is
almost
21,000
square
feet
in
a
lot
forest
23,000
feet.
They
all
have
77
+
5
8
feet
of
road
frontage,
as
opposed
to
the
100
feet,
and
there
are
certain
conditions
that
I'm,
adding
on
the
parcel
that
I'm
asking
for
word
that
I
think
will
ameliorate
any
concerns
of
there
being
four
houses
built
versus
three
houses
built,
so
I
want
to
get
into
those.
I
These
are
the
details
we've
already
talked
about.
One
of
the
big
ones
is:
is
that
we'll
do
shared
driveways,
so
the
code
allows
for
shared
driveway.
So
what
you
see
in
terms
of
traffic
patterns
is
when
you
cut
down
on
your
curb
cuts.
You
improve
driving
safety.
So
right
now,
I
can
put
three
driveways
on
three
homes.
The
front
loaded
garage
is
out
there
tomorrow.
I
If
we're
allowed
to
do,
the
variance
will
be
allowed
to
do
four
Lots
with
two
shared
driveways
splitting
lot,
one
and
two
and
splitting
lot
three
and
four
that
will
cut
down
on
curb
cuts
along
Greenwood
Drive.
Additionally,
there
are
additional
conditions
that
I'm
willing
to
put
on
these
homes
and
on
this
variance
request
that
I
think
they
may
not,
but
I
think,
would
ameliorate
several
concerns
of
the
residences
in
residents
in
the
pollak
subdivision
area.
The
minimum
square
footage
currently
1600
square
feet.
We
would
make
this
a
minimum
of
1,700
square
feet.
I
Heated
living
space.
There
will
be
no
vinyl
siding
any
type.
Only
would
hardiplank
siding
brick
stone
stucco,
including
even
the
eaves
and
the
soffits.
Very
often
folks
will
come
in
and
say
well
we'll
put
hardy
board
in,
but
we
still
need
to
put
the
vinyl
in
the
soffits
and
the
eaves.
There
will
be
no
vinyl
on
the
exterior
of
these
as
a
matter
of
right
right
now.
The
homes
could
be
built
completely
with
vinyl
siding,
but
I
don't
want
to
build
that
type
of
a
project
here.
I
I
want
it
to
be
a
higher
quality
project,
but
in
order
for
it
to
be
a
higher
quality
project,
I
need
that
extra
yield
of
this
one
lot
to
be
able
to
sell
these
Lots
for
the
price
that
I
need.
They'll
sell
them
to
to
get
the
right
builder
that
will
build
these
properly.
I
will
not
be
building
these
houses
I've
been
very
clear
about
that
these
houses
will
be
sold
or
these
Lots
will
be
sold
to
a
local
builder.
I
They
will
not
be
part
of
the
veterans,
walk
subdivision
development,
I'll,
just
simply
sell
them
off,
and
another
builder
will
build
them,
but
they
will
be
required
to
comply
with
the
added
conditions
that
I'm
recommending
here
wood
doors
only
on
the
exteriors
of
the
home
I
know.
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
these
metal
doors
getting
beat
in
and
not
looking
good.
It's
the
only
traditional
wood
doors
that
would
be
look
better,
stained,
wood
and
glass
doors
to
shared
driveways
for
the
four
Lots.
As
already
mentioned,
this
is
a
biggie.
I
He
goes
down
from
three
curb
cuts
down
to
two,
but
with
four
homes
and
then
another
one.
That's
big
for
me
is
that
all
garages
will
be
located
only
in
the
third
layer
of
the
Lots.
So
most
of
your
recent
construction
of
the
last
50
years
has
front
loaded
garages,
the
third
layer.
The
lot
is
defined
as
that
area
at
least
20
feet
behind
the
front
edge
of
the
building
lot
line
so
the
front
the
first
layer
of
a
lot
is
from
the
road
right
away
to
the
front
edge
of
the
home.
I
The
second
layers
from
the
front
edge
of
the
home
20
feet
deep.
The
third
layer
is
from
20
feet.
Deep
back,
all
of
the
garages
will
be
located
in
the
third
layer
de
Lots
so
that
we
don't
have
front
loaded
garages
and
the
homes
can
be
featured
and
look
good
in
that
area.
I
know:
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
Pandora's
box
I
had
a
great
conversation
with
mr.
Steve
Brown.
He
and
I
talked
I
guess
it
was
two
weeks
ago
and
one
of
his
concerns,
which
is
the
same
concern
that
was
raised
by
dr.
I
Hartley,
was
that
this
would
sort
of
open
Pandora's
box
or
set
a
bad
precedent.
So
I
wanted
to
analyze
that
and
I
did
so.
These
are
the
fact
this
is
the
data
analyze
it
as
we
all
sit
here
today.
There
are
seven
lots
in
Pollock
subdivision
that
do
not
have
homes
built
on
them.
You
can
see
them
all
listed
here,
number
one,
two,
three
four
five
six
and
then
the
seventh
one
is
the
subject.
I
If
you
take
my
variance
application
request
of
a
23
percent
reduction
and
you
apply
it
to
all
seven
Lots,
that
number
goes
up
to
fourteen
two:
more
houses,
that's
it
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
reality
of
it
is
is
that
Pandora's
box
will
not
be
open
by
granting
this
variance
request.
This
is
a
unique
piece
of
property.
That's
very
large
on
the
backside
of
this
very
developed,
neighborhood
and
I.
Don't
need
I'm
not
asking
to
go
from
a
hundred
to
fifty
foot
widths,
I'm,
not
asking
to
go
to
narrow
width
Lots.
I
I
If
you
look
here,
you'll
see
that
the
subject
property
could
go
from
three
Lots
to
four
lots
and
four
sixteen
springdale,
which,
if
I
can
go
back
real
quickly,
is
unit
number
five
lot
number
five
could
go
from
one
lot
to
two
Lots
with
the
requested
variance
reduction.
But
if
you
look
at
all
the
other
open
Lots
in
Pollock
subdivision,
as
we
sit
here
today,
either
acre
or
frontage
minimums,
even
with
the
23%
road
frontage
reduction,
would
not
allow.
I
The
Lots
would
not
allow
those
Lots
to
be
subdivided
further,
meaning
zero
McDaniel
Street,
which
fronts
on
McDaniel
under
current
existing
standards
can
have
three.
Even
if
you
gave
it
a
23%
Road
word
front
introduction.
You
still
could
only
get
three
houses
on
that
on
that
parcel
same
thing
for
506
woodland
and
frontage
and
acreage
on
that
one
400
plantation,
the
frontage
is
not
enough
to
even
get
to
go
from
2
to
3
on
416
Springdale.
It
would
go,
it
would
allow
it
and
you
would
go
down
to
a
90
foot
width
lot.
I
You'd
have
to
90
foot
Lots
I'm
asking
for
for
77
foot
Lots,
so
I
just
think
it's
important
for
this
Commission
to
understand
that
I
understand.
There's
concerns
about
Pandora's
box
me
and
open,
but
I
went
analyzed
the
data
to
see
what
Pandora's
Box
is.
We
can
build
12
right
now
me
and
whoever
owns
these
other
five
parcels.
I
We
build
12
right
now.
If
you
grant
this
variance
request
and
he
granted
it
to
anybody
else
that
came
down
the
pipeline,
it
would
only
add
two
more
houses
to
Pollock
subdivision.
That's
the
basics.
I
do
think
it's
important
to
highlight
this
I
want
to
work
with
the
Pollock
subdivision
community
I.
Will
my
phone
number
at
my
office
is
seven
seven
zero,
two
six,
seven,
two:
five
zero:
three:
seven:
seven
zero,
two,
six,
seven,
two
five
zero
three
I
will
happily
sit
down
and
meet
with
in
my
office
or
on-site.
I
Anybody
that
wants
to
talk
about
this
and
go
over
the
issues
and
see
what
we
can
talk
about
and
we
may
agree
to
disagree.
But
when
we
had
our
community
meeting
with
ninety
folks
in
attendance
on
June
26
I
was
very
clear
and
I
did
not
change.
I
said
I
will
not
connect
to
Pollock
subdivision,
but
I
am
going
to
ask
for
a
few
variances
so
that
I
can
get
four
Lots
on
Greenwood.
I
Drive
I
need
that,
in
order
for
the
metrics
of
this
project
to
work,
that's
all
I'm
asking
for
I've
removed
the
interconnectivity
at
their
request,
I'm,
not
asking
for
anything
excessive.
It's
simply
a
23%
reduction
in
the
frontage
and
I
am
going
to
build
better
quality
homes
on
those
four
Lots
than
if
you
only
had
three
lots
that
were
vinyl
sided
with
1600
square
feet.
It's
a
very
reasonable
request.
I
A
Did
want
to
ask
one
question
just
to
make
sure
for
clarity.
The
standard
is
a
hundred
feet
and
the
lot
size
is
fourteen
thousand.
Was
that
correct?
Yes,
sir,
and
so
the
variance
is
the
existing
Lots
are
divided
up.
If
you
did
do
it
into
four
would
be
seventy-seven
width,
but
the
square
footage
of
the
lot
is
actually
twenty
significantly
higher
correct.
The
square
footage
is
eighteen
to
twenty
three
204
right
there,
correct,
okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
that
lot.
B
M
M
My
question
is:
is
there
another
shared
driveway
in
all
of
our
neighborhood
I?
Think
I
know
for
me
personally,
I
think
it's
sort
of
strange
this
sharing
of
a
driveway
and
I
like
the
idea
of
three
houses
with
their
own
little
separate
driveway
instead
of
four
which
the
sharing
stuff
that's
my
question.
C
K
O
I'm
Teresa
tanner
I
just
like
to
say
something
that
seems
very
obvious
to
me:
it's
not
conducive
to
our
subdivision.
If
you
have
to
ask
for
variance
that's
a
fact
and
to
to
make
a
conjecture
about
what
might
be
built,
all
those
other
Lots,
that's
not
fact.
We
don't
know
that,
and
this
does
not
fit
into
what
we
all
bought
and
wanted
in
that
subdivision
and
right
now
the
house
is
in
there
the
day
they
go
on
the
market.
They
sell
it's
a
very
good
place
to
live,
it
is
and
we
bought
it.
F
To
the
community
but
I've
been
driving
around
and
looking
at
all
the
houses
and
all
the
houses
in
public,
our
brick.
So
if
you're
doing
siding,
you're
degrading
the
area,
you're,
not
improving
it,
you're
degrading
the
area,
you're
degrading
the
property
value
and,
as
far
as
assured
driveways
go,
I
write
all
over
the
place.
Looking
at
properties
and
as
far
as
I
know
as
far
as
five
miles
out,
there
are
no
shared
Drive
voice.
Thank
you.
P
Q
P
Told
him
so
at
the
First
Baptist
Church
I
may
not
have,
but
the
idea
of
coming
into
a
traditional
neighborhood
in
busting
it
up
by
putting
four
houses
on
three
Lots,
which
we
were
told
at.
First,
that's
what
it's
going
to
be
with
no
shared
driveways
just
doesn't
make
common
sense,
I,
don't
think
Randy
would
like
it
or
somebody
come
in
their
neighborhood,
because
I
know,
there's
provisions
you
should
nobody's
gonna
build
herself.
P
You've
got
enough
money,
but
anyway
the
point
is
we
went
there
and
built
a
home
to
raise
our
families
the
way
it
was
all
the
homes
they're
right
there,
not
what
we
would
like,
but
that's
that
gentleman
sitting
over
the
red
shirt
that
I'm
about.
If
people
don't
keep
up
their
homes,
he
needs
to
some
about
it.
But
we
don't
want
four
houses
on
three
Lots:
they
either
gonna
be
shotgun
houses,
408
houses
or
whatever
else
you
want
to
call
them.
They're
still
gonna
be
small
small
houses
to
fit
in
that
neighborhood.
P
When
you're
not
going
to
seek
me
a
house
like
that
in
our
neighborhood,
it's
just
a
simple
fact
of
life:
I
appreciate
what
he's
doing
he's
got
a
great
project
and
I
probably
participate
in
something
over
there.
Sometimes
I
ain't
gonna
go
cook
barbecue,
that's
for
sure,
but
it's
not
right
and
I
was
appreciate
very
much
that
this
commission
we're
taking
consideration
that
neighborhoods
been
there
a
long
time
and
it's
gonna
be
there
a
long
time
and
we
don't
want
that
kind
of
houses
in
our
neighborhood.
E
My
name
is
Mike
Peters
live
at
413,
Springdale
Road.
Thank
you
for
mr.
Rosenthal
for
your
presentation.
I
appreciate
it
when
you're
talking
about
adding
houses
with
shared
driveways
and
you're
gonna,
leave
it
to
local
builders
to
build
those
houses
I'm
concerned
about
the
kind
of
people
that
would
attract
in
the
kind
of
house
as
they
may
be
built.
Our
subdivisions
been
established
a
long
time
we're
bringing
in
a
lot
of
new
young
people
in
their
subdivision
they're
bringing
their
kids.
E
They
walk,
they
play
and
they're
in
their
nice
neighbors,
but
I
wonder
what
type
of
buyer
you
would
get
when
you're
asking
someone
to
share
their
driveway
with
their
neighbor
next
door.
That
seems
more
like
something
you
might
get
from
the
Murrays
or
Arnold's
of
our
community
than
you
would
from
mr.
Rosenthal.
So
we
would
appreciate
the
properties
being
in
a
position
where
we
could.
We
could
bring
in
more
young
people
that
would
be
willing
to
buy
their
own
house,
not
share
their
driveway,
not
share
their
backyard
or
anything
else.
E
So
it
concerns
me
two
things.
You're
selling
this
to
someone
else
to
build
I
would
feel
better.
If
you
built
the
houses
really
but
you're
going
to
sell
them
to
someone
else
or
locally
a
builder
that
we
don't
know
who
it
is-
and
you
might
not
know
who
it
is
now,
but
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in
the
local
builders.
If
you
ride
around
Monroe-
and
you
say
the
kind
of
house,
does
it
get
squeezed
in
the
small
areas?
E
So
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
precedence
of
what
happens
in
Monroe,
when
there's
small
lots
and
we
live
it
up,
leave
it
up
to
the
local
builders
to
build
ride
down
south
Madison.
Look
and
look
what
happens
there
when
they
squeeze
these
things
in
so,
while
I
appreciate
your
working
with
us
and
I
appreciate
your
proposal,
the
sharing
of
driveways
for
two
houses
is
not
going
to
bring
the
kind
of
people
that
we
want
in
the
neighborhood.
E
It's
going
to
bring
people
they're,
probably
going
to
want
to
rent
they're,
not
going
to
be
there
a
long
time.
It
will
be
a
perfect
example
of
someone
buying
these
houses
up
and
turn
them
into
rentals,
because
that's
what
you
have
when
you
have
people
to
share
driveways
and
while
we're
they're,
very
good
renters
in
town,
that's
not
what
our
subdivision
is
established
on.
So
I
appreciate
your
time.
A
I
I
Okay,
if
I
can
clarify
it,
let
me
just
see
if
I
can
clarify
I
have
sought
out
comment
from
the
community
I've.
Had
people
hang
up
on
me
that
would
not
talk
to
me
from
Pollock
subdivision
I
want
to
know
what
they
want
now.
I've
heard
a
little
bit
of
it.
So
I
am
happy
to
modify
my
conditions
to
see
if
I
can't
address
their
concerns.
If
I
could
have
had
this
conversation
two
or
three
weeks
ago,
I
would
have
never
brought
a
shared
driveway
arrangement
to
you,
some
people
like
them.
I
Obviously
Pollock
subdivision,
does
not
I'm
happy
to
eliminate
the
shared
driveway
issue.
It's
not
necessary
for
the
Lots
to
be
built.
It
was
a
suggestion
so
that
it
would
cut
down
on
curb
cuts.
So
let
me
see
if
this
helps
and
this
works
I
will
be
happy
to
remove
the
five
conditions
that
I
just
listed
out
previously
and
instead
well
off.
I
Be
happy
to
offer
up
these
following
conditions
in
lieu
of
the
five
1800
square
feet:
minimum
instead
of
16
or
1700
for
driveways.
Only
no
shared
driveways
and
I
cannot
guarantee
that
they
can
all
be
brick,
but
what
I
can
do
is
I
can
say
that
at
least
25%
of
the
Front's
are
brick,
meaning
you're
going
to
get
some
brick
fronts.
I
If
the
predominant
building
design
style
is
brick
in
that
neighborhood,
although
it's
not
all
Rick
I'm
familiar
with
several
the
homes
are
not
brick,
then
I
can
offer
up
those
types
of
conditions,
I'm
happy
to
work
with
the
residents
in
any
way.
But
tonight
is
the
first
time
I
was
told
that
shared
driveways
were
a
big
problem.
I
was
trying
to
offer
that
as
a
way
to
ameliorate
curb
cuts.
If
they
want
for
driveways,
we
can
do
for
drivers.
I
I
know
they
only
want
three
Lots
I
get
that
the
project
does
not
hinge
on
this
one
variant.
Let
me
be
very
clear
about
that.
I'm
trying
to
get
some
conditions
on
this
so
that
I
can
sell
these
Lots
to
better
builders
so
that
we
will
get
a
better
quality
built
home
in
that
subdivision,
I'm
not
going
to
be
building
the
homes.
I,
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
it.
I
don't
have
a
contractor's
license
to
do
it.
I'm
going
to
be
focusing
on
developing
the
project.
I
The
veterans,
Hawk
project
and
I
want
these
to
be
quality
homes.
So
if
it
works
to
get
rid
of
the
shared
driveway,
I
can
do
that
if
it
works
to
increase
the
square
foot
minimum
up
to
1,800,
so
that
they
can
be
less
concerned
about
rental
scenarios
or
smaller
home
scenarios.
I
can
do
that.
I
can
also
add
a
minimum
25%
frontage
of
brick
on
the
faces
of
these,
so
that
they
have
brick
features.
I
I
can't
say-
and
this
is
very
candid
because
I
don't
think
that
the
price
point
of
this
neighborhood
in
today's
market
with
pricing
would
allow
for
a
four-sided
brick
to
be
built.
I.
Just
don't
think
it
would.
Others
may
disagree
with
me
on
that,
but
I
can't
say
that
we
can
do
a
four-sided.
Brick
I
do
think
that
we
can
do
brick
25%
minimum
on
the
frontage.
A
P
Understand
Paul
situation,
I
already
do,
but
there's
two
or
three
things:
I,
don't
understand
number
one.
Why?
The
fourth
house
is
so
important
that
he
told
us
ins,
First,
Baptist,
Church
meetings
are
gonna,
be
three.
He
says
are
already
he's
standing
here
right
so
now
he's
gonna
sell
those
Lots
and
we're
gonna
be
backing
up
it.
Every
time
you
have
a
meeting
when
somebody
comes
in
to
do
something
different
than
what
he
said,
because
he
can't
make
him
do
it.
P
You
know
that
and
I
know
that
if
they
want
to
come
in
and
build
a
shack,
they
don't
get
around
to
doing
it.
They'll
have
enough
money
to
do
it.
You
don't
know
what
builders
going
by
those
lots
and
I'm
not
sure
I
understand.
He
says
that
better
builders
won't
for
Lots
instead
of
three
I
thought:
better
builders
built
better
houses
on
bigger
Lots,
so
that
don't
really
make
common
sense
to
me,
but
I'm,
not
a
builder
I'm.
Just
a
country
director.
A
Mr.
Kelly,
out
of
clarification
for
the
Commission
here
currently
as
zoned,
are
the
conditions
mr.
Rosenthal
is
proposing
as
far
as
the
type
and
quality
square
footage.
If
someone
else
were
to
come
in
and
and
buy
this
property,
could
they
build
something?
You
know
that
was
not
brick
if
it
was
not
mr.
Rosenthal,
even
if
it
was
three
Lots,
could
they
come
in
and
put
vinyl
siding
and
do
some
of
these
things
that
the
people.
D
A
D
A
D
They
would
they
wouldn't
carry
with
the
land.
I
guess
we'd
have
to
record
it
as
a
deed
specification,
but
yeah
that'd
be
a
and
me
something
that
would
go
with
the
land.
Okay,.
O
To
talk
about
historic,
that
neighborhood
is
historic,
it's
been
there
a
long
time
and
I,
don't
think
anything.
That's
been
proposed
fits
with
that
with
the
neighborhood
and
that's
a
concern
for
us
and
yes
again,
it's
it's
just
a
projection
that
somebody
might
come
in
and
do
something
else,
I,
don't
think
we
should
base
the
decision
on
what
might
happen.
O
We
need
to
look
at
what
he's
planning
to
do
and
the
four
houses
well
for
houses
won't
come
close
to
what's
in
that
neighborhood
and
what
we
bought
in
that
neighborhood,
no
I
just
think
that
needs
to
be
considered.
We
don't
need
to
consider
what
could
happen.
We
need
to
look
at
what
he's
doing
what
he
wants
to
do
and
no
matter
who
it
is
any
developer,
understand.
F
A
Q
D
Yeah
I
believe
the
four.
The
fourth
lot
is
is
imperative
to
allow
him
to
develop
or
put
the
conditions
on
it.
That
would
make
for
a
better
product
on
the
floor
rather
than
three.
He
could
that,
oh
by
right
divide
it
into
three
and
just
build
by
the
current
zoning
ordinance,
but
with
no
stipulations
whatsoever.
Q
Q
We
can
still
all
of
us
come
in
if
they
tried
to
put
up
I
mean
they're
gonna
have
to
show
whoever
the
build.
There
is
because
he's
now
says
that,
if
he's
not
the
Builder,
if
he
sells
the
land
or
just
sells
it
to
a
builder
without
any
restrictions,
they
can
do
what
they
want,
and
yet,
if
he,
if
he
puts
his
four
in
he'll,
do
these
extra
things,
but
we
still
as
a
community
can
can
object.
A
builder
coming
in
its
gonna
have
to
do
like
mr.
Rosenthal
did
present
a
presentation.
D
That's
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
that!
They
don't
have
to
do
that
once
the
property
subdivided.
If
they
buy
a
lot,
they
can
come
in
and
build
by
r1a
standards
exactly
what's
in
the
zoning
ordinance
with
the
building
permit
and
a
set
of
plans
whatever
they
come
up
with
that
meets
those
requirements.
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L
Members
of
rezoning,
Planning
Commission,
thank
you.
My
name's
rod,
Mullis
I
live
at
five.
Oh,
my
name
is
rod.
Mullis
I
live
at
509,
Greenwood
and
I
agree
with
all
the
comments
made
earlier
than
to
not
allow
the
changed
to
from
100
feet
to
77
feet
and
I
won't
go
into
that.
I
think
that's
been
covered,
but
a
couple
of
questions
that
I
have
would
be
as
mr.
Rosenthal
considered
the
watershed,
because
those
lots
have
a
water
coming
all
the
way
down
from
woodland
and
plantation
and
Greenwood.
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L
L
I
I'm
happy
to
see
if
I
could
just
summarize
this
I
know
that
this
could
go
on
all
day.
First,
the
issues
raised
by
mr.
Mullis
on
the
watershed
and
sewage
hookup.
Those
have
both
been
looked
at
by
the
land
planner,
and
we
do
not
believe
there
will
be
any
problems
regardless.
They
will
be
built
in
compliance
with
all
of
the
city.
I
Monroe
requirements,
both
including
stormwater
runoff,
as
well
as
connecting
into
the
sewer
system,
but
both
the
watershed
and
the
elevations
of
the
sewer
have
been
looked
at
by
my
land
planner
and
we
don't
believe,
there's
going
to
be
any
problems
getting
into
getting
into
the
sewer
and
addressing
the
watershed.
As
far
as
in
the
builder
control,
I'm
being
very
transparent
and
candid
with
you
is
I'm
going
to
sell
these
Lots
I'm
not
going
to
build
them.
If
I
get
four
Lots
with
stated
conditions,
then
there
will
be
some
control
if
I
don't
get.
I
Four
Lots
and
I
have
three
Lots
with
no
conditions
they
will
be
sold
and
the
conditions
that
will
control
or
simply
the
r-1
minimums,
which
is
sixteen
hundred
square
feet
and
vinyl
siding
I.
Don't
want
that
to
happen.
Let
me
summarize
the
conditions
that
I'm
willing
to
place
on
the
parcel,
with
a
recommendation
for
the
reduction
from
100
feet
to
77
feet
and
with
no
shared
driveways,
four
driveways
into
the
parcel,
a
minimum
of
1,800
square
feet,
heated
living
space,
no
vinyl
of
any
type
on
the
exterior
the
properties
at
all
wood
doors.
I
I
Of
garages
will
be
required
with
four
driveways
due
to
spacing
the
shared
driveway
allows
me
to
get
the
garages
into
the
third
layer,
but
when
we
have
or
driveways,
then
we
run
out
of
width
and
we're
not
able
to
do
guarantee
front
loaded
garage
I'll.
Do
everything
I
can
to
get
them
into
the
second
and
the
third
layer,
but
I
can't
insure
that?
Okay,
Thank
You,
commissioner,
not.
A
Just
for
us,
as
a
commission,
mr.
Kelly
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
understanding,
even
if
this
doesn't
pass
or
does
pass.
The
current
three
Lots
okay
under
our
one
could
have
front-loaded,
could
be
vinyl
sided
and
would
meet
all
codes
as
sixteen
hundred
square
feet
and
there
would
not
be
any
variance
or
approval
or
whatever
required.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
D
A
Folks,
I
think
the
Commission
is
heard
and
understands
the
concerns
of
the
public.
We
also
have
seen
mr.
Rosenthal's
presentation.
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
has
anything
else
that
has
not
been
stated
thus
far.
It
needs
to
be
stated
again.
So
are
we
good
all
right?
It's
at
this
point
that,
with
the
cecum
motion
for
approval
or
denial
or
approval
with
conditions.