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A
Heather,
okay,
so
we'll
call
it
order.
The
November,
30th
2021
meeting
of
the
council
policy
and
procedures
committee
and
this
meeting
is
being
conducted
in
accordance
with
the
city
of
Mountain
View
city
council
resolution
number
one,
eight,
six,
one,
eight
in
accordance
with
assembly,
bill
361.
A
A
If
we
have
any
looks
like
we
do
so,
obviously
folks
can
send
email
to
the
city
manager
at
mountainview.gov
and
those
are
forwarded
to
us,
and
people
can
also
participate
via
Zoom
by
clicking
on
the
link
that
was
provided
on
the
agenda
and
also
by
phone
and
the
phone
number
and
directions
are
included
also
on
the
agenda,
and
we
do
have
some
members
of
the
public
here.
So
we'll
start
with
a
roll
call
of
the
members,
Committee
Member
hick.
A
You
next
item
is
minutes
approval
and
these
are
the
minutes
from
June
2nd
2021.
Are
there
any
comments
or
corrections
to
the
Amendments
from
committee
members?
A
I?
Don't
see
any
hands
going
up?
Are
there
is
there
any
input
from
members
of
the
public?
I
do
see
a
hand
Mr
England.
This
is
comments
or
input
on
the
minutes
from
June,
2nd
2021.
C
Sorry,
usually
I
just
cough
at
City
Hall.
A
So
if
there's
no
Corrections
we'll
need
a
motion.
Oh
sorry,
Kimberly.
F
B
Second
Community
member
Hicks
aye.
F
A
So
it
passes
unanimously
and
we'll
move
on
to
item
four,
which
is
oral
Communications
from
the
public
on
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
A
So
if
there's
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
on
items
not
on
the
agenda,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand,
that
would
be
great
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
and
we'll
start
with
Mr
England.
D
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
really
quick.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
packets
for
these
meetings
are
posted
on
the
old
laserfish
system
instead
of
the
new
one
and
the
sustainability
committee
same
thing
in
the
downtown
committee
same
thing,
there
might
be
some
others,
but
it
would
be
great
to
move
all
of
those
over
to
the
new
system,
so
we
can
see
everything
in
one
place.
Thanks.
D
A
And
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised
and
so
we'll
close
that
portion
and
move
on
to
item
five
and
we'll
start
with
5.1,
which
is
Council
policy,
a13
City,
Council
meetings
and
K2,
which
is
Council
advisory
bodies.
Some
proposed
changes
there
I
think
we'll
start
with
some
comments
from
yep
our
city
clerk,
Heather,
good.
G
Evening,
everyone
that
item
before
you
this
evening
incorporates
language
into
Council
policy
a13
that
adds
minutes
of
a
brief
summary
adds
to
them,
and
it's
a
brief
summary
of
Direction
provided
by
Council
and
item
for
no
vote
is
taken.
G
The
council
have
heard
this
matter
to
the
CBBC
at
its
May
25th
meeting
and
only
addressed
the
summary
of
study
sessions.
However,
since
study
sessions
are
not
the
only
items
during
which
Council
may
be
asked
to
provide
Direction
without
a
vote,
staff
recommends
broadening
the
language
to
accommodate
any
such
item.
G
G
Other
cleanup
language
is
outlined
in
the
staff
report
attachments,
such
as
removing
reference
to
specific
months
during
which
the
city
clerk's
office
would
take
certain
steps
in
the
advisory
body
recruitment
process
to
accommodate
bodies
that
have
been
created
by
the
council
that
don't
run
with
the
calendar
year.
Recruitment
we've
also
recommended
removal
of
language
requiring
draft
minutes
to
be
posted
with
the
agenda
on
the
city's
bulletin
board
due
to
space
constraints.
So
just
a
few
cleanup
items
in
conclusion,
staff
recommends
making
the
changes
outlined
in
the
redlined
attachments
to
the
report
and
city
manager.
F
Thank
you,
chair
I
would
like
to
get
a
better
sense
of
what
staff
considers
Direction
so,
for
instance,
occasionally
at
the
end
of
a
meeting
when
there's
an
opportunity
for
members
of
the
council
to
suggest
that
an
item
be
added
to
a
future
agenda.
For
instance,
sometimes
staff
will
say
maybe
not
appropriate
for
an
agendized
item,
but
we
can
do
an
off
agenda
memo
to
the
council.
If
that
were
to
occur.
Would
that
also
be
included
in
the
minutes,
or
is
that
not
deemed
Direction
and
so
not
necessarily
included.
G
Anytime,
the
council
comes
to
a
conclusion
by
consensus
right,
so
I
think
the
last
time
we
we
had
that
Public
Works
director
Cameron
stated
that
she
would
be
providing
something
to
you
off
agenda
and
that
was
captured
in
the
minutes.
A
So
I
had
a
few
questions.
I
appreciate
the
proposed
changes
to
these
policies.
A
I
noticed
that
in
the
one
on
the
minutes
that
comments
from
others
would
not
necessarily
be
included
in
the
minutes,
but
I
have
noticed
sometimes
during
public
input,
it
would
say
the
person's
name.
Maybe
what
group
they're
representing
their
resident
or,
however,
they
disclose
who
they
are,
and
then
they
spoke
either
in
favor
in
opposition
to
would
that
be
included,
or
would
that
not
be
included.
G
So
that,
if
you
read
on
in
the
red
line
version
of
a13,
it
says
a
record
would
be
native
names
in
cities
of
residents.
Assuming
someone
provides
that
information
right
and
the
title
of
the
subject
matter
that
their
remarks
were
about
and
support
or
opposition,
so
capturing
support
or
opposition
I'm,
usually
looking
for
something
very
straightforward.
They
said
they
supported
it
or
they
said
they
opposed
it.
G
You
start
getting
into
really
subjective
summary
of
what
people
have
said
if
you
try
to
interpret
their
comments
as
support
or
opposition,
so
in
in
the
case
of
just
being
as
accurate
as
possible.
I
usually
only
note
that
if
the
person
has
actually
stated
that.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that
clarification,
and
let's
see
those
are
all
the
questions.
I
had.
E
I
this
is
my
first
question.
I
didn't
have
questions
before,
but
that's
all
right,
but
but
the
questions
that
have
come
up
now.
I
do
have
a
question
I'm
I'm
just
and
this
is
just
more
how
staff
operates.
I've
I've
gotten
curious,
now,
I
assume
that
staff
is
taking
more
sometimes,
for
example,
during
a
study
session
staff
is
taking
more
notes
than
would
have
them
would
appear
in
the
minutes
and
then
would
have
to
legally
appear
in
the
minutes.
Is
that
true
or
am
I
assuming
incorrectly.
G
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
and
what
I'm
taking
down
and
what
I'm
usually
taking
down
is
trying
to
capture
the
consensus
of
the
council.
I
would
imagine
that
probably
other
staff
members
are
are
taking
something
a
little
bit
more
substantive
than
that,
but
I
do
see
that
city
manager
McCarthy,
has
her
hand
raised
so
I'll.
Let
her
take
it.
H
Yep
yo
city
clerk,
laser
and
council
member
Hicks,
so
yes,
I,
certainly
take
notes
personally
of
what
is
said
and
I
know
that
when
we
do
have
a
study
session,
these
staff,
member,
typically
the
department
head
or
whoever
the
staff
person
is
presenting,
will
also
be
taking
notes.
But,
as
the
city
clerk
noted,
we
only
move
forward
on
those
items
that
have
Council.
Consensus
of
you
know
four
or
more
votes,
but
there
are
certainly
things
that
come
up.
E
E
You
know
people
if
I,
if
I'm
the
first
Speaker
I,
often
don't
don't
check
back
about
the
things
that
that
council
members
subsequent
to
me
have
said
that
I
agree
with,
and
we
we
kind
of
don't
do
that
as
formally
as
I
might
like.
So
I
would
agree
to
this
change,
but
I
think
we
have
to
maybe
clean
up
how
we
do
that
at
some
later
point.
A
Thanks
any
other
questions:
okay,
I,
don't
see
any
questions.
I
do
have
some
comments,
but
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
for
public
input
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
and
Mr
England.
D
Thanks
again,
this
all
sounds
great
to
me
and
I
just
want
to
voice
my
support
and
just
have
a
couple
of
additional
comments,
the
it's
great
to
have
the
recordings
of
the
meetings
and,
as
Heather
knows,
I'm
constantly
barraging
her
with
requests
for
recordings
that
I
can't
find,
but
having
the
additional
information
in
the
minutes
is
also
helpful
and
I
can
tell
sometimes
that
in
subsequent
staff
reports
that
what
they've
done
is
they've
looked
at
the
minutes
for
meetings
to
show
the
history
of
a
particular
action.
D
And
if
the
information
is
lacking
in
the
minutes,
then
they
might
not
capture
that
unless
they
were
to
go
back
and
listen
to
the
full
recording
which
I
doubt
that
they
would
do
so.
I
fully
support
all
that's
being
suggested
to
add
to
the
minutes
and
more,
if
you
can
think
of
anything
and
all
that's
been
discussed
so
far
too
thanks.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
from
the
public,
so
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
so
we'll
close
the
public
input
portion
and
bring
it
back.
If
you
have
comments
from
committee
members.
F
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
I
appreciate
the
modifications
as
well.
I
want
to
Echo
the
concern
that
councilmember
hicks
shared.
It's
I
think
part
of
the
reason
why,
several
years
ago,
then,
mayor,
matajack
and
other
members
of
the
council
I
think
had
expressed
a
desire
to
see
the
direction
that
a
majority
of
the
council
providing
in
study
sessions
and
similar
circumstances
reflected
in
the
minutes.
So
that
way
we
have
a
shared
understanding
of
what
actually
will
occur,
because
you
know
we
might
hear
a
bunch
of
different
perspectives,
some
of
which
are
great
others.
F
Maybe
a
little
bit
more
outlandish
and
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
you
know
there
might
be
somebody
who
says:
does
staff
have
directions,
staff
will
say
yes
and
staff
will
have
heard.
You
know
an
eighth
perspective
right
different
from
the
other
seven
and
it
was
I
think
it
got
to
a
point
where
it
might
be
frustrating
when
an
item
returns
to
the
council
and
we
all
feel
like
well,
you
know
what
I
had
advocated,
so
you
know
hard
for
wasn't
included.
You
know
what
happened
so
I
think
this
is
a
starting
point.
F
Just
having
that
captured
in
the
minutes,
I
think
is
really
helpful,
but
I
agree
very
strongly.
I
think
you
know
it's
whether
it's
the
mayor
or
the
mayor's
designee,
the
city
manager
or
the
department
director
I,
don't
have
a
strong
feeling,
but
I
do
think,
making
sure
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page
about
the
direction
that
we
provide.
F
You
know,
and
some
Mayors
may
want
to
be
a
little
bit
more
I,
don't
know
what
the
right
word
would
be:
didactic,
I,
guess
where
you
know
I
heard
this.
Is
there
support
for
this?
You
know
and
just
go
through
the
line
of
every
new
idea
that
I
was
in
that
was
introduced
to
make
sure
that
we've
captured
every
idea
and
that
every
member
of
the
council
has
been
given
an
opportunity,
at
least
through
a
strong
motion
or
something
to
share
their
support
or
opposition
to
an
idea
at.
I
F
Rate
how,
however,
we
do
that
I
think
you
know
we
can
probably
leave
at
the
mayor's
discretion
at
the
time,
but
just
making
sure
that
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting
we
all
know
what
staff
has
heard
staff
agrees
that
you
know
this
is
the
majority
will
of
the
council,
and
there
is
no
surprise
when
an
item
comes
back
to
the
council
in
the
future,
because
we
all
know
what
we've
shared
or
there's
a
shared
understanding
of
what
the
direction
was.
F
I
think
that's,
that's
sort
of
the
desired
outcome
here,
so
I'm,
I'm,
okay
with
the
language
and
the
policy
I
think
I'm
I'm.
You
know
I
I
feel
like
we'll
see
how
successful
this
is
over
time.
If
we
have
to
tighten
up
the
language
later
on
I'm,
very
comfortable
with
that,
but
right
now,
I
feel,
like
staff,
has
a
good
sense
of
what
the
count
the
council
is
hoping
to
achieve
and
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
good
starting
point,
so
I'm
happy
to
move
the
staff
recommendation.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
E
Well,
I'm
just
going
to
Second
it
with
the
same
caveats
that
I
would
like
to
continue
to
work
on
making
sure
we
have
mechanisms
to
really
capture
whether
to
really
capture
whether
we've
struck
off
all
the
line
items
that
council
members
have
mentioned
and
whether
we've
actually
gotten
a
straw
poll
or
some
other
mechanism
to
see
whether
you
know
to
see
whether
there
is
consensus
on
certain
items,
I
think,
particularly
in
like
our
first
study
session
on
something
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
throw
out
a
lot
of
ideas.
E
For
instance,
on
the
housing
element,
I
heard
a
lot
of
things.
I
thought
were
good,
some
things,
I
didn't
think
I
would
go
with
I'm
sure
everybody
did
I
would
hate
that
it
get
boiled
down
to
you
know
only
one
or
two
things
we
came
to
consensus
on
and
throw
away
all
the
other
ideas,
because
I
I
feel
that
that's
not
really
the
nature
of
an
early
study
session.
So
I
think
you
know
I'm
I'm
seconding
this,
but
I
would
like
to
continue
to
work
on
it.
E
E
A
I
guess
the
one
thing
I
was
thinking
when
it
came
to
this
is
I
was
wondering
if,
in
the
wording,
we
should
make
it
clear
that
what
goes
in
the
minutes
is
what's
the
direction
provided
by
the
council
majority.
A
But
there
are
lots
of
other
comments
that
staff
captures
that
they
might
still
take
into
consideration
for
when
the
topic
comes
back
to
us,
but
I
feel
like
what
goes
into
minutes
should
be
what
the
council
majority
has
said,
because
I
think
you
know
I
think
part
of
the
concern
was
there
were
so
many
things
at
previous
meetings
discussed
that
without
coming
to
an
agreement
on
what
the
council
majorities
said,
the
council
didn't
necessarily
know
what
the
majority
Direction
was
and
staff
didn't
know
what
the
majority
Direction
was,
and
you
know
some
council.
A
You
know
Come
Away
with
on
that
which
I
totally
understand
when
you
cover
such
a
broad
topic,
so
I
guess
I
was
thinking.
This
should
really
say.
The
direction
provided
by
the
council
majority
shall
be
recorded.
I'm
wondering
how
my
colleagues
feel
about
that.
A
It
is
a
Friendly,
Minnesota
council
member
Hicks
would
are
you
a
supportive
of
that
one
little
word
Edition
sure
thanks
and
it
it
might
be
in
more
than
one
location,
I'm
quickly
trying
to
look
through
the
Redline
version
here.
Is
it
just
in
one
place:
Heather:
okay,
yeah!
It's
on
page
18.
A
G
A
That
what
you
were
that
is
okay.
It
is
thanks.
Okay,
so
if
there
is
no
other
discussion
or
no
other
comments,.
A
Except
you're
on
mute,
Kimberly.
B
And
we
had
to
had
to
have
that
on
the
record:
Committee
Member
Hicks,
yes,
Committee,
Member,
Ramirez.
F
A
C
I've
got
so
many
things
open
here
on
my
screen,
Public
Works,
director
Cameron,
is
going
to
talk
about
this
one.
First.
J
Thank
you,
chair
matacek,
Public,
Works,
director
Don
Cameron
I
would
like
to
introduce
Ray
Rodriguez,
a
senior
project
manager.
Who
will
take
you
through
the
presentation.
I
K
Okay
good
evening
so
again,
I'm
Ray
Rodriguez,
the
senior
project
manager
in
public
works
and
I'm
joined
by
Robert
Gonzalez.
This
principal
civil
engineer,
but
Don
is
also
obviously
available
for
some
questions
at
the
end.
So
I
will
run
through
this
presentation
quickly.
K
To
start
with,
you
know,
there's
quite
a
few
slides
here,
but
I'm
going
to
go
through
them
fairly
quickly,
some
of
them
I'm
going
to
just
basically
slide
through,
because,
if
they're
going
to
be
some
that
you
may
want
to
see
late,
so
I
can
pull
up
for
talking
and
then
questions
purposes,
but
otherwise
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
fairly
quickly,
because
it's
very
consistent
with
the
men
on
the
report.
So
to
start
with
the
recommendation.
K
This
is
what
we
are
looking
for
from
the
committee
on
policy
K5
we're
looking
at
basically
three
revision,
three
areas
of
revising
the
policy
and
they
apply
to
the
the
types
of
projects,
the
threshold
and
even
the
percent
foreign,
though
in
1987
the
council,
at
that
time
adopted
policy
K-5
for
public
art
and
it
the
polls
that
are,
you
know,
there's
some
clarifications
that
were
needed
and
the
one
that
the
clarification
was
at.
One
percent
of
the
construction.
K
Hard
cost
would
be
used
for
the
calculation
of
the
public
art
and
they
also
want
to
clarify
that
the
role
of
the
vac
and
Double
C
foreign
part
of
what
originally
staff
wanted
to
do
was
incorporate
revisions
of
policy
K5
with
the
public
art
strategy
that
the
visual
arts
committee
is
working
on.
They've
been
working
on
this
since
I
think
2019,
but
with
epidemic
some
of
the
progress
was
slowed
and
stopped,
and
and
and
they
are
working
on
that
now
and
intend
to
bring
a
strategy
to
the
council
in
early
2022..
K
Now,
this
strategy
is
part
of
the
Strategic
roadmap
action
plan
of
council.
Council
has
said
that
they
would
like
prior
public
art
to
be
a
priority
and
encourage
more
public
art,
but
because
that
is
a
little
bit
behind
lagging
just
a
little
bit
and
again,
it'll
come
to
Council
in
early
2022..
We
did
want
to
get
some
revisions
on
the
policy
now
that
are
applying
to
our
Capital
Pro
Capital
Improvement
program.
K
So
the
current
policy
is
here:
I
am
not
going
to
read
it
again.
We
can
come
back
to
this
if
you
have
questions
on
it,
but
the
policy,
what
it's
consists
of
about
five
components
and
this
presentation
of
the
revisions
are
based
on
the
first
three
that
are
shown
here,
the
first
one
applicable
projects.
K
The
current
policy
calls
out
all
major
project
Improvement,
all
all
major
Capital
Improvement
projects
are
covered
and
over
the
years,
staff
is
included,
mostly
buildings
and
just
recently,
Parks
have
started
falling
into
projects
that
have
public
art,
but
the
recommendation
is
to
really
clarify
in
the
policy
more
of
the
specifics
about
what
types
of
projects
the
first
three
bullets
on
this
list
are
basically
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
25
or
more
years.
K
K
So
to
talk
about
the
threshold,
though,
in
1987
I
want
to
talk
about
that
one
million
dollars
and
one
percent
that
was
established
you
in
1987,
based
on
the
the
policy,
you
would
have
ten
thousand
dollars
a
minimum
budget
for
public
art,
but
looking
at
adjusting
for
inflation
to
2021
that
one
million
dollars
is
equivalent
to
2.4
million
dollars
today
and
at
one
percent
there
would
be
a
minimum
budget
of
twenty
four
thousand
dollars,
but
our
recommendation
in
2021
is
not
necessarily
to
raise
it
to
2.4.
K
Our
recommendation
is
to
raise
it
2.5,
but
also
increase
the
percent
to
two
percent
yeah.
What
about
what
the
budget
would
cover
on
these
projects
for
the
artist?
It
is
important
because
there
are
costs
and
and
the
the
artist
needs
to
cover
the
materials
engineering
installation
permits
Transportation
everything
you
see
here,
including
this
is
how
many
of
them
make
their
living.
So
they
need
to
have
something
that
would
you
know
feed
them.
K
So,
over
the
last
few
years,
this
table
is
showing
projects
that
have
been
approved
by
Council,
so
this
is
going
back
to
2013.
and
the
top
portion
are
projects
that
were
approved
with
a
one
percent
heart
budget
and
the
bottom
portion.
Our
most
recent
projects,
which
are
the
whole
Parks
approved
with
a
two
percent.
You
can
actually
see
that
the
inflation
that
councils
seem
to
see
that
there
there
was
a
problem
there
and,
as
they
were
approving
two
percent
budgets
for
these
Park
projects.
K
K
These
are
not
approved
project
yet
but
they're
in
the
works,
and
you
can
see
with
these
larger
construction
budgets
that
taking
either
one
percent
or
two
percent,
there
will
be
a
very
healthy
public
art
budgets
and
because
it's
very
challenging
to
fund
these
types
of
projects
already
when
you're
talking
about
100
million
dollars
or
200
million
dollars-
and
there
are
other,
commit
competing
demands
for
the
funding
sources,
and
so
our
proposal
is
to
set
a
cap
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
are.
K
We
are
okay
with
the
two
percent
but
proposing
a
cap
of
400
000
on
any
project.
However,
really
over
the
years
and
even
coming
up
in
the
next
five
years,
the
majority
of
the
projects
are
either
at
20
billion
dollars
or
less
right.
So
it's
it's
not
affecting
a
lot
of
the
projects.
With
this
change.
K
Table
two:
this
is
the
list
of
these
projects
that
are
coming
up
in
the
next
five
years.
The
estimated
construction
budget
is
the
column
there
in
the
middle
and
then
what
we're
showing
on
the
right
is
the
anticipated
art
budget
based
on
two
percent
and
so
there's
quite
a
few.
Here's
a
top
one
being
capped
at
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
on
this
table.
These
are
all
capped
at
400
000,
but
there's
quite
a
few
projects
coming
up
in
the
next
few
years.
K
We
did
take
the
the
project,
the
proposed
revisions
to
the
VAC.
Earlier
this
month
they
commented
on
the
applicable
projects.
They
suggested
that
the
applicable
logic
should
include
Trails
public
plazas.
They
also
commented
on
the
400
000
cap
on
the
threshold.
They
seem
to
be
okay
with
two
percent.
We
did
not
get
the
consensus
on
the
one
and
a
half
million
dollars.
K
The
staff
is
recommending
that
and
finally,
the
next
steps
after
tonight,
your
direction
we
will
as
soon
as
we
and
you
are
ready.
We
can
take
this
to
the
full
Council
for
consideration.
K
My
last
slide
is
back
to
the
recommendation
on
these
three
bullets
and
I
do
actually
have
a
another
slide
with
the
exact
language,
but
this
is
the
recommendation
that
we're
looking
for-
and
that
concludes
the
presentation
and
we're
open
to
your
question.
E
First,
I'm
wondering
how
the
public
art
strategy
is
going
to
interact
with
the
decisions
we
make
tonight
and
I,
guess
that
that
may
be
a
vague
question,
more
specifically
I'm
imagining
that
so
with
the
I'm.
Imagining
that
some
of
the
smaller
projects
that
would
not
be
eligible
for
artwork
may
be
in
places
that
are
very
important
in
the
city
and
that
we
might
actually
want
artwork
in
some
of
them,
maybe
even
more
than
in
some
other
places,
I'm.
E
Also
imagining
that
the
public
art
strategy,
maybe
I'm,
not
fully
understanding
it
but
I'm
imagining
it
that
it
might
pick
out
some
of
those
places.
So
I
don't
know.
So
that's
basically
my
question:
how
will
the
public
Arts
will
the
public
art
strategy
pick
out
additional
sites
that
are
very
important
for
art
that
are
not
related
to
the
you
know,
projects
and
this
and
the
the
dollar
amount
attached
to
those
projects,
or
is
that
not
something
that
the
public
art
strategy
will
be
doing.
L
Good
evening,
calendar
Hicks
a
John
lenning
economic
mentality
manager,
the
public
art
strategy,
as
it's
currently
being
invented
and
worked
on
by
staff,
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
a
stool
and
we'll
talk
about
public
art,
that's
one
leg
and
a
way
to
implement
art
in
the
community.
Another
part
of
the
school
that
we
are
working
on
in
developing
is
a
private
side
allocation
of
art.
L
So
right
now
the
city
only
has
public
art,
but
what
can
we
do
with
private
or
private
development
so
getting
to
your
point
about
having
art
in
other
locations
not
just
specifically
related
to
public
projects.
L
Would
people
like
to
actually
donate
or
gift
or
to
the
city
and
identifying
where
that
is
appropriate,
and
then
the
the
final
leg
of
the
stool
is
thinking
through
a
decessation
or
decommissioning
of
art.
Right
now
we
don't
have
a
policy
to
deal
with
art
that
we
may
need
to
remove,
and
what
is
the
process
to
do
that?
So
the
art
strategy
is
looking
to
together
the
other
legs
of
the
stool
relative
to
the
public
art
piece.
So
one
looking
for
more
art.
I
L
Where
those
can
be
located
in
identified
through
those
other
tools,
and
so
we
think
it
will
complement
the
overall
public
court
strategy-
that's
in
front
of
you.
This
is.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Actually,
your
sound
was
breaking
up
a
little
for
me.
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
for
other
people
yeah.
It
was
I.
Think
I
understood
what
you
said.
I'll
assume
I
did
I'm
gonna,
maybe
ask
the
same
question
in
a
different
way,
which
is
that
that
I
talked
to
some
members
of
the
Arts
community.
That
said,
they've
they've
kind
of
been
thinking
of
some
smaller
sites
that
may
Merit
artwork,
but
may
not
have
the
construction
budgets
like
the
place.
E
May
Merit
it,
but
there
may
be
no
construction
going
on
there,
such
as,
for
example,
one
that
I'm
thinking
of
is
on
Castro
and
El
Camino
sort
of
Gateway
Park
and
the
entrance
to
you
know
the
entrance
to
Mountain
View
one.
A
public
art
strategy
might
identify
that
as
an
area
that
deserves
some
art,
even
if
there
were
no
construction
going
on
there,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
the
public
art
strategy
would
cover
that.
But
I'm
situations
like
that,
but
I'm
not
clear
that
it
does.
That
was
my
question.
L
So
I'm
hoping
you
can
hear
me
a
little
better,
a
little
bit
I
may
have
to
jump
off
and
I
think
Tiffany
be
in
a
position
to
answer
this,
but
I
will
try
it
and
see
how
well
this
goes
so
once
again,
part
of
what
song
for
on
the
private
side
is
much
like
development
projects
can
pay
in
Luffy.
L
One
of
the
things
you
can
do
on
a
private
side
is
created
in
Luffy,
so
we
could
actually
create
an
art
budget
and
do
those
types
of
smaller
pieces,
but
that
would
come
through
the
private
side
of
the
that
one
other
leg
of
the
stool
on
the
private.
So
we
are
working
on
a
policy
to
support
private
development,
whether
it
be
through
inblue
or
actually
private,
side.
Implementing
and
developing
private
public
or
parts
made
available
to
the
public.
E
Okay,
so
I'm
trying
to
see
if
I
understand
this,
because
you're
saying
in
Luffy's
from
private
developers
and
that
fund
could
be
used
anywhere.
That's
chosen
not
on
private
developments
necessarily
but,
for
example,
on
a
site
like
the
Gateway
site,
which
is
a
public
site.
Okay,
okay,
then
I
have
a
last
question
which
is
actually
somewhat
related
to
that,
which
is
when
an
art
project
has
a
particular
budget
and
the
artwork
that's
selected
for
that
space
comes
in
under
budget.
E
M
So
Robert
Gonzalez
principal
civil
engineer,
So.
Currently
what
happens
with
the
CIP
project
so
we're?
This
policy
is
specifically
related
to
CIP
projects,
so
projects
that
as
projects
have
a
specific
budget
and
the
art
is
one
element
of
the
budget.
So
if
there's
a
one
percent
or
a
two
percent
project,
a
budget
for
art
and
we're
slightly
under
that-
that's
that's
a
small
amount
of
the
overall
project
budget,
but
it
would
be
considered
as
part
of
the
overall
budget.
M
So
it
may
be
subject
to
change
orders
for
other
reasons
for
the
project.
So
we
keep
that
in
the
project
budget
until
the
pro
until
the
budget
until
the
project
is
done
and
accepted,
and
at
that
point
it
looks
like
director.
Cameron
might
have
some
clarification
for
me.
Yeah.
J
We've
brought
forward
to
counsel
the
artists
and
art
selection
for
approval,
and
that
includes
the
amount
of
money
that
is
that
will
need
will
be
spent
based
on
upon
their
proposal.
So
we
come
in
and
we
say
there
is
you
know
you
know
before
it
was
one
percent
of
the
budget.
Let's
say
it
was
a
five
million
dollar
project.
One
percent
would
be
50
000
and
we
say
there's
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
art
budget
here
is
all
of
the
visual
arts
committee.
J
Did
all
this
work
to
solicit
proposals
weed
through
them
and
they
come
forward
and
bring
to
the
council
a
recommendation
and
in
my
time
here
I've
yet
to
see
a
recommendation
that
uses
less
than
the
the
art
budget?
J
And
so
that's
already
pre-committed
before
we
even
go
out
to
bid
on
the
construction
project
and
there's
already
an
agreement
with
the
artists
of
how
much
we're
going
to
spend-
and
you
know,
I've
never
seen
the
artwork,
be
something
that
is
time
and
material
basis
or
anything
else
that
would
cause
it
then
to
come
in
for
Less,
I
I,
don't
know
and
I
can't
speak
to
on.
J
If
on
occasion,
we
found
and
ran
into
a
few
unanticipated
costs
that
the
prod,
if
we
did
the
project,
would
have
just
covered
that
through
its
contingency
funds,
so
I
invite
members
other
staff
members
here
that
have
more
experience
with
this.
Have
you
have
experienced
any
time
where
we
committed
less
than
the
full
art
budget.
I
Good
afternoon,
council
members
Business
Development
Tiffany
Chu
for
a
majority
of
the
projects.
Yes,
the
public
art
projects
come
at
the
one
percent
or
the
council
directed
budget
for
public
art.
We
have
had
one
project
that
has
come
in
under
budget.
That
is
the
I
believe
it's
the
the
Mora
Park
project
that
came
in
under
budget,
but
I
believe
that
has
been
that
was
reabsorbed
back
into
the
park
budget.
But
as
when
we
go
through
the
selection
process,
the
budget
is
upfront
and
committee
members.
E
Yeah
so
that
I
actually
talked
to
members
of
the
Arts
Community,
who
said
something
like
that,
they
rarely
come
in
under
budget,
but
they
did
also
wonder
if
there
was
some
incentive
to
not
come
in
under
budget,
because
there's
no
place
where
that
money
could
could
go
if
there
were,
but
this
may
be
part
of
not
tonight's
meeting
but
a
you
know
the
public
art
strategy
some
way
of
having
a
fund
where
that
excess
money
could
go
anyway.
That's
not
on
the
agenda
for
tonight,
though,
thanks
for
clarifying
foreign.
F
Thank
you,
chair
I,
appreciate
the
questions
from
councilmember
Hicks
because
they
inspired
some
of
my
own
so
trying
to
get
a
better
sense
of
how
the
public
art
strategy
will
relate
to
Council
policy.
K-5,
we'll
we'll
Council
policy
K-5
remain
distinct
from
the
public
art
strategy,
or
will
the
public
art
strategy
basically
become
the
the
council's
policy.
L
So
we
envision
K5
to
just
be
an
element
within
the
public
art
strategy.
So
once
again,
there's
the
policy
that
dictates
how
we
will
do
public
Capital,
Improvement,
public
art
and
then
the
public
art
strategy
really
addresses
all
the
other
elements
of
the
private
side
and
Lou
decommissioning
of
art.
So
it
will
work
together,
but
the
K5
will
kind
of
stand
alone
and
really
provide
the
direction
on
how
we're
addressing
a
capital,
Improvement
projects
and
funding
art
through
the
CIP
budget.
L
L
It
doesn't
make
up
the
whole
stool,
it's
just
one
leg
that
will
wrap
will
wrap
the
strategy
around
and
then
elements
of
this
strategy
can
also
help
address
some
of
the
issues
that
may
arise
in
some
of
these
Capital
Improvement
projects.
For
instance
the
ring
store
project,
there's
art
there,
but
it's
art,
that's
old.
So
how
do
we
deal
with
keeping
the
Integrity
of
the
art
that's
there
or
how
do
we
maybe
have
to
get
rid
of
some
of
the
art?
What
is
the
process
for
doing
that?
L
Making
sure
that
we
have
a
process
to
do
that?
That's
fair
and
reflects
the
needs
of
the
community
either
because
of
life,
safety
issues
or
disrepair,
or
it's
too
costly
to
maintain.
So
those
are
going
to
be
some
of
the
other
elements
that
will
help
inform
inform
the
the
CIP
public
art
piece.
F
Okay,
so
I
I'm
curious
about
there.
There
are
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
call
them
Capital
Improvements,
but
there
are
projects
that
don't
quite
fit
neatly
in
any
category
like
topaz
right,
so
they're
Parks,
but
we're
not
paying
for
them,
and
it
feels
like
a
missed
opportunity
not
to
integrate
public
art
in
in
a
Popa.
So
is
that
something
that
would
be
covered
in
the
public
art
strategy?
Is
that
something
that
we
might
want
to
reference
in
this
context?
F
L
There's
a
that
is
a
great
point
and
I
think
you
know.
Staff's
initial
thinking
was
one
by
able
to
creating,
in
essence
this
Lou
in
this
in
lieu
fund
and
creating
kind
of
a
fun
where,
where
could
we
start
to
deploy
art
so
I
think
a
big
part
of
this
will
also
be
creating
kind
of
an
inventory
where
we
could
actually
have
art
and
deploy
our
art
isn't
necessarily
going
to
go
everywhere.
L
It
doesn't
always
make
sense
to
have
art
in
a
lot
of
different
places,
so
we
need
to
be
thinking
strategically.
We
also
need
to
think
about
the
maintenance
of
art.
There
is
a
considerable
amount
of
time
that
goes
into
maintaining
art
and
understanding
what
it
takes
to
maintain
the
art.
So
those
are
all
pieces.
We
have
been
starting
to
vet
internally,
but
you
know,
as
we
bring
the
public
art
strategy.
L
J
And
and
what's
being
brought
to
you
tonight,
as
we
said,
is
just
focused
on
the
capital
Improvement
program
and
the
reason
we're
bringing
it
Forward.
Is:
we've
now
gone
to
council
a
couple
times
with
a
project
and
it
has
a
one
percent
art
budget
and
we
hear
wait
a
minute.
I
thought
we
were
doing
two
percent.
J
When
are
we
going
to
do
two
percent
and,
and
that
really
came
to
a
head
with
the
ringstorff
Aquatic
Center,
which
was
based
upon
one
percent,
which
is
the
current
policy,
and
even
the
visual
arts
committee
was,
you
know,
ended
up,
didn't,
say
it
to
staff,
but
set
it
to
certain
members
of
the
council.
They
were
disappointed
they
just
assumed
from
here
on
out.
J
It
was
going
to
be
two
percent
and
they
wanted
to
do
more
and
based
upon
that,
of
course,
you
know
staff
looked
at
it
and
and
came
up
with
option
that
Council
considered
and
adopted
that
added
more
of
the
art
that
was
selected.
J
But
this
is
the
type
of
thing
that
can
really
slow
down
a
capital
project.
I
mean
we
were
very
fortunate
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
that
solution
and
not
have
to
delay,
get
the
ring
store
of
Aquatic
Center
and
getting
it
out
to
bid
but
staff.
We,
we
really
can't
have
that
happening
because
it
can
delay
projects.
So
we
really
want
certainty
and
knowing
what
our
five-year
CIP
calls
for
and
that
table
two
for
you
in
that
memo
is
just
a
sample.
It's
the
ones.
J
We
could
immediately
identify
that
would
qualify
for
public
art
under
what
we're
proposing,
including
Optical
projects.
But
you
know,
I
was
looking
at
the
unscheduled
list.
I
know
other
things
that
are
coming
online,
there's
more
parks
that
are
going
to
come
online.
We
don't
yet
have
the
CIP.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
of
this,
and
so
we
decided
we
really
do
need
you
to
consider
revising
the
policy
up
for
the
cips,
so
that
staff
has
clear
direction
as
we
move
forward
in
design
with
our
capital
projects.
J
And
then
you
know
as
asked
the
public
art
strategy,
which
is
a
much
broader
approach
to
public
art,
for
the
city,
can
then
build
around
that
and
then,
if,
as
part
of
the
public
art
strategy,
Council
also
wants
to
discuss.
You
know.
Yes,
maybe
you
know
by
the
way
I
I
hope.
You
noticed
that
on
table,
two,
the
dollar
amounts
for
art
were
significantly
higher
than
we've
ever
shown
for
art.
If
you
looked
at
table
one
so
yeah,
maybe
there
is
a
possibility
that
you
say
for
this
particular
location.
J
Maybe
that's
a
very
high
investment
in
art.
Maybe
do
something
less
and
you
know
maybe
that
other
money
could
go
towards
another
location.
Those
are
all
things
that
we
would
prefer
be
discussed
on
the
part
public
art
strategy
overall
and
in
a
larger
framework,
and
we
can
adapt
based
upon
that
discussion.
J
F
Great,
thank
you
that's
helpful.
The
last
question
is
a
parking
structure.
A
building
would
that
qualify
for
public
art.
Yes,.
J
And
thank
you
that
poem
should
have
been
listed,
the
the
parking
structure
yet.
Thank
you.
A
Great
questions
and
I
appreciate
hearing
about
the
public
arts
or
the
art
strategy
and
I
was
wondering
if
and
I'm,
not
sure,
I'm
going
to
use
the
right
terms
here
so
bear
with
me.
You
know.
Sometimes
when
you
see
a
large
expanse
of
concrete
and
it's
got
I
would
say
Art
built
into
it
like
a
design
of
some
kind.
Is
that
considered
art
or
is
that
considered
part
of
the
project
and
it
wouldn't
take
away
from
the
art
budget.
M
Robert
Gonzalez
principal
civil
engineer,
so
that
is
most
likely
going
to
always
be
considered
art,
particularly
for
CIP
projects.
Cfp
CIP
projects
are
designed
and
established
for
a
specific
purpose,
whether
that's
an
aquatic
center
or
you
know
when
we
built
the
Moc
or
Community
Center,
and
the
art
budget
was
intended
for
that
kind
of
external
facing
public
art.
So,
yes,.
J
J
I,
chair,
matichek,
I,
think
I
know
what
you're
thinking
of
I've
seen
this
on
on
sound
halls
and
retaining
walls,
and
it
you
can
see
it
in
multiple
places
and
it's
kind
of
like
a
standard
design
feature.
You
know
it's
just
a
design
feature
I
that
would
not
necessarily
rise
to
you
know
public
eye
if
it
didn't
go
through
an
art
selection
process
where
an
artist
was
designing
it
and
it
was
unique.
J
A
Sometimes
I
would
say
I
hate
to
use
this
analogy,
but,
like
you
know,
you
can
stamp
in
crack
on
concrete
a
design
that
might
be
Swirls
and
other
things
or
it
could
be
flowers
or
birds
or
something.
But
it's
like
stamped
into
the
the
concrete
itself.
If.
J
J
J
So
you
know
depending
upon
the
type
of
project
it
is,
for
instance,
if
it's
a
it's
a
bike
ped
over
Crossing.
One
of
the
great
opportunities
for
art
is
how
the
railings
are
designed
right,
but
we
do
have,
for
instance,
the
Caltrain
Transit
Center
grade
separation
project
and
one
of
the
art
opportunities
is
how
you
are
going
to
handle
the
walls
going
in
and
under
and
make
something
very
visually
appealing
for
the
users
of
that
under
Crossing.
J
So
that's
an
example
of
where
we
would
say:
okay,
the
walls
create
an
opportunity,
and
maybe
there's
a
different
opportunity
also,
and
we
take
that
to
the
visual
arts
committee
and
and
that's
what
they
work
for
to
work
up
art
proposals.
J
So
again
it
it
comes
back
to
in
terms
of
the
public
art
budget
and
how
it's
spent.
The
policy,
which
is
relatively
short,
says
we're
to
try
to
integrate
it
into
the
project
where
possible
and
two
were
to
follow
the
process
of
the
visual
working
with
the
visual
arts
committee
to
select
an
artist
and
the
art.
A
Yeah,
that's
very
helpful
because
the
exact
example
I
was
thinking.
You
just
mentioned
the
transit
center,
because
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
the
experience
that
someone
has
walking
or
biking
under
Central
Expressway
is
a
pleasant
one
and
I
think
art,
maybe
not
art
through
the
policy,
will
enhance
that
experience
on
the
walls
but
I
get
you
know
I
feel
like
okay,
I
feel,
like
I'm,
buying
into
everything
you're
saying,
I.
Think.
J
So
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
about
a
project
like
that,
so
there's
going
to
be
art
that
is
produced
by
an
artist
and
in
select
locations,
but
we
also
intend
we've
told
Caltrain
this-
that
there's
also
the
selection
of
the
materials
outside
of
the
art.
That's
used,
that's
very
important
for
creating
the
Aesthetics
and
a
very
appealing
place,
we'll
call
those
design
features
and
design
enhancements.
We
fully
expect
to
do
that
as
well,
and
that's
not
part
of
the
art
budget
that
is
part
of
the
project
budget.
Okay,.
K
N
K
Equivalent
to
a
a
sound
wall,
a
retaining
wall,
what
we
did
on
that
case
was
we
paid
a
an
artist
for
a
design
fee
and
then
use
the
rest
of
the
budget
to
pay
for
the
additional
cost
that
it
took
to
create
that
artwork
and
it
was
all
Incorporated
in
the
construction
document.
So
the
contractor
provided
it
taking
the
artist's
design,
but
basically
it's
all
integrated.
Okay.
G
A
It's
a
very
attractive
feature
in
the
library:
okay,
I
think
I
got
it
now.
So
then,
my
question
is
when
it
comes
to
the
art
strategy.
A
You
know
we
often
have
the
discussion
about
functional
art
versus
my
favorite
term
pop
art
and
in
the
art
strategy.
Are
we
covering
both
of
those
like
interesting
benches
and
interesting
bike
racks
and
integrating
art
into
a
function,
or
is
it
just
plopart.
L
Oh,
it's
a
great
question:
recognizing
art
takes
many
different
forms
and
you
know
we
could
be
talking
about
murals.
We
could
be
talking
about
plop
or
or
functional
art.
Really,
the
the
a
public
art
strategy
is
kind
of
encompassing
of
all
of
that
and
depending
on
where
the
location
is
and
what
are
we
trying
to
achieve
so
it
could
actually
achieve
all
those
things.
I,
don't
think
we're
looking
to
identify
specific,
very
specific.
L
It
has
to
be
this
art
everywhere.
We
want
to
keep
it
open
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
are
looking
to
have
these
these
projects
go
through
the
visual
arts
committee
and
have
their
input
and
review
into
it.
So
we
do
look
to
the
the
committee
for
their
guidance
and
an
evaluation
of
that,
and
but
I
don't
think
we
want
to
get
so
refined
into
the
type
of
Art
and
what
it
should
be.
L
I
think
art
Works
in
different
places-
that's
my
opinion,
so
you
know
recognizing
I
think
we
want
some
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
in
that,
but
we
can
certainly
better
Define
that,
in
a
strategy
of
what
you
know,
we
would
prefer
a
focus
on
these
kinds
of
things.
For
these
types
of
projects.
We
could
certainly
identify
language
in
a
strategy
like
that.
A
Thank
you.
This
has
been
a
very
educational
session,
I
appreciate
it
any
other
questions
from
committee
members:
okay,
we'll
open
it
up
to
public
comment
and
there's
two
Mr
England.
D
You,
chairman
of
Chuck
I,
have
yeah
I,
have
several
comments
on
this.
This
all
sounds
reasonable
and
probably
kind
of
pro
forma
for
something
that
you
want
to
do
to
update
your
policies,
but
at
the
same
time
there
are
competing
priorities
that
was
raised
during
the
discussion
already
and
I'm,
particularly
interested
in
active
transportation
and
biodiversity
and
the
work
that's
forthcoming
on
the
active
Transportation
plan
and
all
the
CIP
projects
that
members
of
the
community
would
like
to
see
completed,
and
you
know
a
timely
manner.
D
You
know
slowed
down
or
anything
like
that
because
of
this
increase
in
the
in
the
art
portion
of
the
of
the
budget
or
what's
funded,
probably
not
a
big
deal,
but
I
just
want
to
raise
it
and
then
also
member
Hicks
was
talking
about
the
you
know,
size
of
a
project
and
the
amount
of
art
that
might
go
in,
and
the
trails,
for
example,
cover
a
larger
footprint
than
say
a
small
portion
of
land,
and
so
the
cap
might
not
make
sense
if
you're
looking
at
a
variety
of
different
projects
like
the
trails,
for
example.
D
So
I
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
think
about
that,
and
then
this
is
probably
out
of
scope
for
this
discussion,
but
the
the
VAC
talks
about
public
art
and
I
know
that
there's
been
discussion
over
the
years
about
them.
Looking
at
private
project,
art
too
and
making
recommendations.
So
we
can
have
a
more
cohesive
art
strategy
across
all
projects
across
the
entire
city,
not
just
the
public
location.
So
again,
probably
out
of
scope.
I
like
the
idea
that
donations
and
gifts
that
Mr
Lang
brought
up.
D
That's
an
interesting
sort
of
angle
on
us
and
then,
lastly,
putting
art
on
parking
structures
to
me
is
really
sending
the
wrong
message
like
if
you
were
putting
flowers
and
birds
on
a
parking
structure.
That's
just
the
wrong
thing.
I,
just
as
soon
see
the
parking
structures
be
Bland
and
you
know
they're
just
strictly
functional
they're,
not
something
we
should
be
proud
of,
and
we
should
put
our
art
on
things
that
really
represent.
We
want
Matthew
to
stand
for
like
trails
and
bike
Bridges,
and
things
like
that.
Thank
you.
A
Any
other
members
of
the
public
I
saw
a
hand,
but
now
it
looks
like
there.
It
is
Mr
cup.
N
Hello,
hey.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
great
so
nice
to
see
you
all
tonight,
and
this
is
a
great
discussion.
I
just
had
a
couple
comments.
I
just
wanted
I
hope
you
can.
You
can
expand
those
occasions
to
include
bike
and
pedestrian
paths,
all
of
them
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
clear
in
the
language
as
it
is
or
another
option
would
be
to
go
instead
of
instead
of
trying
to
include
all
the
locations
that
you
want.
N
The
K5
policy
to
apply
to
you
could
specify
explosions
and
say
it
applies
to
everything
else.
That
could
be
one
way
to
make
sure
that
we
haven't
missed
anything
I,
remember
right
at
the
there
could
be
something
that
you
want
or
to
apply
to
that.
We
haven't
planned
here
and
I
wanted
to
bring
up
a
couple
examples
of
different
public
agencies
working
with
cities
to
bring
public
art
to
their
projects.
So
I
got
another
an
email
from
a.
N
M
N
Is
also
doing
art
and
New
Ports
courts.
I
also
talked
to
Barbara
Keegan
at
the
Water
District,
and
they
have,
in
the
past,
contributed
to
a
percent
for
Earth
for
cities.
They've
worked
with
on
projects,
and
basically
this
is
not
all
we
have
to
do
is
ask
money,
is
not
the
problem
for
them,
except
the
artist
Outreach
and
selection
is
not
their
specialty.
So
that's
something
that
that
as
long
as
the
city
could
do
it
they're
happy
to
give
so
well.
That
is
to
say
we
shouldn't
limit
ourselves
to
only
City
funded
projects.
N
N
Maybe
with
that
hard
cap
of
a
400k,
you
can
make
it
inflation
adjusted
just
so
that
it
can.
It
can
increase
a
little
bit
over
time
and
I
think
I
think
that
one
million
is
enough
if
you
have
it
at
two
percent,
for
some
good
quality
public
records.
So
recently
the
visual
arts
committee
was
able
to
provide
art
for
about
that
amount,
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
more
Ortega
Burke.
N
So
if
you
could
consider
lowering
that
minimum
before
K5
policy
kicks
in
to
1
million
instead
of
1.5,
that
would
probably
help
make
sure
you
don't
miss
any
pocket,
Parks
or
little
micro
projects,
just
some
some
things
to
consider.
But
thanks
thanks
for
listening
and
thanks
for
caring
about
public
air,
that's.
A
All
thank
you
and
I.
Don't
see
any
other
hands
so
we'll
close
public
input
and
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
for
any
further
questions
or
comments.
Vice
mayor,
Ramirez,.
F
Thank
you,
chair
I
did
have
a
quick
question
that
came
out
of
the
public
comment,
so
I
am
interested
in
better
understanding,
major
cross
jurisdictional
projects
and
the
what
comes
to
mind
thinking
about
the
water
district
was
the
McKelvey
Park
water
detention
Basin.
So
what
a
project
like
that,
the
eligible
under
Council
policy
K-5,
if
it's
you
know,
for
instance,
a
Valley,
Water,
LED
or
eta-led
major
Capital
project,
there's
obviously
City
collaboration.
J
So
I'll
start
by
saying
that
these
are
special
cases
where
we
would
have
to
you
know,
consider
them
as
they
come
up
it's
it's
not
that
frequent.
We
have
a
major
large
project
and
partnership
such
as
McKelvey
Park,
definitely
was
interested
to
hear
what
the
member
of
the
public
said
about
Valley
Water
being.
M
J
To
contribute
funding
towards
public
art
when
they're
doing
a
major
project,
if
we
just
asked
so
we'll
we'll
keep
that
on
our
radar
screen,
should
they
be
coming
to
town
again
to
do
another
major
Capital
project
because
they're
happy
to
take
their
money
and
work
through
our
art
selection
process?
J
We
we
are
going
to
be
facing
a
similar
situation
with
the
Bernardo
under
crossing
the
bike,
ped
under
Crossing
of
Central
Expressway
and
Cal,
and
the
Caltrain
tracks.
As
you
know,
that
is
a
it's
now:
a
three-party
partnership
to
deliver
that
project.
Vta
is
providing
the
Lion's
Share
of
the
money
through
measure
B
bike,
ped
grants
towards
construction.
J
So
we
looked
at
that
project.
We're
like
we're
not
quite
sure
how
K5
will
apply
it's
a
question
we
will
be
bringing
to
council
when
it's
time
to
commit
funding
from
the
city.
For
instance,
we
could
you
know
our
goal.
Our
thoughts
would
be.
We
would
want
Sunnyvale
to
be
willing
to
go
in
jointly
on
public
art
and
then
between
the
two
cities.
J
We
are
providing
a
budget,
but
it's
going
to
get
tricky
because
they
may
have
their
own
public
art
selection
process
that's
different
than
ours,
and
so
that's
another
piece
that
can
tie
us
up.
So
we
have
it
on
our
radar
screen.
We
just
thought
we
would
cross
that
bridge
or
go
under
that
under
Crossing
when
we
get
to
it
and
we
do
know,
it
needs
to
be
discussed,
because
we
would
like
to
see
art
in
there
and
we
don't
want
Mountain
View.
J
F
G
J
We
would
I
think
it
would
be
better
if
you
let
us
return
with
a
recommendation
down
the
road
unless
you
you're
not
interested
in
us
pursuing
this.
Our
our
goal
would
be
to
have
a
real
discussion
with
City
of
Sunnyvale
about
we
need.
You
know
we
want
public
art.
What's
the
process
and
agreeing
that
each
city
is
going
to
contribute
towards
it
got.
E
So
I'm
almost
ready
to
make
a
motion
unless
other
people
have
lots
of
additional
comments.
I
guess
my
only
sort
of
question
that's
been
triggered
by
previous
discussion
now
is
I.
E
I
had
thought
that,
as
dawn
said,
that
we're
mostly
doing
this
to
update
the
one
percent
for
art
to
two
percent
for
the
reason
she
suggested
and
I'm,
assuming
that
if
there
are
any
other
kind
of
as
the
public
art
strategy
rolls
forward,
if
there
are
any
contradictions
that
come
about
that,
then
this
this
k,
whatever
it
is-
I've
forgotten
the
exact
label,
but
that
this
policy
comes
back
to
us
at
that
point.
So
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
that
too
much,
but
tell
me
if
I
should
be
worrying.
E
More
than
I
am
otherwise.
I
would
make
a
motion
with
a
couple
of
small
amendments
that
people
have
been
bringing
up
over
time.
One
is
that
that
to
broaden
the
this
is
the
part
where
it
says,
specify
the
following
applicable
capital
projects.
It
does
say
bike
in
pedestrian,
but
I
thought
maybe
adding
at
the
end.
E
It
says,
and
new
bicycle
pedestrian
over
or
under
Crossings
and
I
would
add
and
paths
if
that's
okay
and
then
I
also
did
like
the
I
would
like
the
the
cap
of
400
000
to
be
adjusted
for
inflation
and
I'm,
wondering
if
staff
has
a
suggestion
for
how
we
might
do
that,
because
that
cap
could
become.
You
know,
10
years
from
now
that
that
cap
could
look
very.
I
E
To
us
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
regular
way
of
updating
that
and
then
I
would
be
into
doing
increase
the
project.
Construction,
hard
cost
threshold
for
determining
applicable,
CIP
projects
to
1
million
to
cover
somewhat
smaller
projects.
So
those
were
my
three
proposed
changes
and
the
inflation
one
I'd,
like
some
suggestions
on.
J
M
Well,
so,
in
terms
of
inflation,
we
can
certainly
add
that,
and
policies
are
reviewed
regularly.
We
can
put
this
on
a
on
a
on
a
calendar
so
that
we'd
look
at
it
every
five
years.
Every
10
years
to
see
if
inflation
is
appropriate,
I
would
I
would
tie
both
numbers.
Both
the
the
floor
and
the
ceiling
to
inflation.
M
M
They
very
often
have
a
very
precise
budget
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
or
time
for
staff
to
incorporate
artwork,
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
something
like
a
bike
path.
Well,
I
need
to
be
more
specific
about
that,
because
if
it's
a
bike
path
within
public
right-of-way
and
I'm,
putting
it
on
ranksdorf,
that's
a
much
different
project
than
an
extension
of
a
bike
trail.
J
So
I
I
would
like
to
add
on
when
you
say
path,
I
think
Trail.
It's
called
a
class
one
bike,
ped
facility,
which
is
which
is
basically
a
trail
that
is
not
in
the
road
right
away.
J
Here
it
says,
trails
and
extensions
of
trails.
That
would
be
good.
I
would
like
to
in
terms
of
adjusting
the
cap
for
inflation.
Absolutely,
but
I
I
agree
with
thinking
along
the
same
terms
as
principles
of
engineer
Gonzalez
that
it
would
be.
We
would
just
set
something
that
says
it
will
be
adjusted
every
five
years
or
something
like
that.
J
We
adjusting
it
annually
will
be
too
hard
for
us
to
keep
up,
because
you
know
we
need
to
make
the
adjustment
and
then
every
project
that
is
starting
design
after
that
works
with
that
adjustment,
or,
of
course
it's
just
the
big
picture
project,
so
we'll
work
that
out,
but
generally.
If
for
something
like
this,
it
would
be
better
to
say
if
you're
just
going
to
do
an
adjustment
every
certain
number
of
years.
J
E
And
then,
if
the
so
lowering
it
to
one
million,
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
what
other
council
members
think,
but
I
would
be
willing
to
if,
if
those
seem
to
be
projects
that
are
that
are
generally
too
small
and
problematic,
I
would
be
willing
to
save
that
for
the
public
art
strategy,
you
know
to
look
at
Key,
smaller
projects.
You
know
that
would
be
an
alternative
way
of
doing
it.
F
Thank
you,
I'll
go
ahead
and
because
I
support
it
I
I'm
open
to
some
some
adjustments
too,
but
I
I
feel,
like
the
so
sorry
I
had
I
had
a
question
about
whether
we
had
some
discretion
if,
if,
for
instance,
it's
technically
challenging-
or
there
are
some
operational
impacts
to
incorporating
a
public
art
budget
for
small
projects,
so
at
the
one
million
dollar
range,
for
instance
the
what
the
council
has
discretion
to
say-
maybe
we're
not
going
to
incorporate
public
art
in
the
context
of
that
project,
but
we
could
put
that
funding
aside
in.
N
F
A
reserve
for
public
art
that
could
be
used
at
another
location
or
to
achieve
some
other
purpose
related
to
public
art
is
that
is
that
within
our
ability.
M
So
I
I
think
that's
a
bigger
question
and
and
Vitality
manager
Lincoln
and
can
add
to
this.
It's
certainly
within
your
discretion.
For
example,
the
the
ringsdorf
Aquatic
Center
was
one
where
you
had
where
you
you
took
discretion
and
adjusted
a
specific
project
budget.
M
So
there
could
be
a
small
project
budget
that
is
just
below
the
1.5
million
dollar
threshold,
and
you
see
that
it
is
appropriate
and
you
would
advise
you
know
you
would
direct
staff
to
go
ahead
and
incorporate
art
for
a
particular
project
in
the
same
way
for
projects
that
are
above
the
1.5
million
dollar
proposed
thresholds
that
are
inappropriate
for
art
or
for
some
reason,
staff
recommends.
It's
not
included.
M
I
J
Like
again,
we
don't
we
wanted
to
keep
the
policy
simple
and
straightforward.
It's
much
easier
for
count
for
Direction,
but
Council
always
has
the
discretion
to
say
I.
They
want
to
do
something
different
for
that
project
related
to
public
art,
more
less
money
that
type
of
thing
so
I
I
want
to
throw
something
out
to
you.
We
don't
feel
it
needs
to
be
in
the
policy,
but
it's
the
way
staff
thinks
and
we
would
bring
it
forward
to
council.
Make
you
aware
of
this.
J
We
have
a
project
in
North,
Bay
Shore,
where
staff
has
already
actually
talked
to
the
visual
arts
committee
about
this.
Where,
because
it's
for
the
fire
station,
the
the
new
training
facility,
there
may
be
limited
ability
to
provide
public
art
that
the
public
could
truly
enjoy
enjoy
if
it
was
part
built
into
that
project.
J
So
there
was
some
discussion
of
we'll
take
that
public
art
budget
and
we
have
another
project
coming
up
in
North
Bayshore,
that's
going
to
have
public
art,
and
maybe
we
we
give
it
extra
money
and
we
do
more
and
that's
actually
in
Shoreline
Regional
Park,
where
you
could
get
more
opportunities
for
the
public
to
actually
enjoy
the
art.
So
we
we
do
try
to
think
in
these
ways
and
we
would
bring
forward
those
Concepts
after
we
discuss
it
and
work
it
with
the
visual
arts
committee.
J
We
don't
think
it
has
to
be
actually
laid
out
like
that
in
in
the
policy,
but
there's
always
that
flexibility
to
say
now
here.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
moving
from
one
Capital
project
to
another
Capital
project
and
that's
what
makes
this
possible
and
we
can
deliver
on
it
and
we're
going
to
depend
upon
the
overall
public
art
strategy
that,
if
it
ever
sets
up
a
fund
that
might
start
delivering
art
separate
from
our
capital
projects
in
other
locations,
then
that
can
be
start
discussed
under
the
public
art
strategy.
Also.
F
F
Instance
in
in
small
Parks
in
neighborhoods
that
may
be
underserved
right.
That
might
be
the
opportunity
to
get
some
some
public
art
Incorporated,
where
otherwise
we
might
not
have
the
effort.
The
ability
so
I'm
I'm
open
to
it
sounds
like
there
are
a
lot
of
different
potential.
Solutions
I
would
support,
keeping
it
at
one
million.
I
would
support
splitting
the
difference.
You
know
putting
it
at
1.25
or
something
or
maybe
having
a
minimum.
F
J
May
I
suggest
through
the
chair,
although
I
I
appreciate
staff's,
you
know
and
I
agree
with
them.
That
1.5
million
would
make
the
sense
in
terms
of
it's
not
even
a
major
Capital
project
anymore,
at
1.5
million,
it's
smaller
than
that,
keeping
it
at
one
million.
We
can
work
with
that.
J
What
what
it
does
mean
is
if
we
have
a
part,
one
I
really
will
be
surprised
if
any
park,
Project
Mini
Park
project
comes
in
for
under
100.5
construction
anymore,
just
because
of
how
construction
prices
have
gone
up.
But
if
we
have
one
that
comes
in
at
1.4,
we
we
work
with
it
and
if
staff
has
serious
concerns
about
the
because
the
project
is
only
has
a
construction
cost
of
1.1
million
and
it
it's
a
qualifying
project.
Remember
it
needs
to
be
a
qualifying
project.
J
J
In
other
words,
as
the
Public
Works
director
I'm
saying,
I,
don't
want
the
1
million
versus
1.5
million
to
be
what
brings
you
to
a
stop
tonight.
Yeah.
A
I'm
gonna
take
a
turn
here.
I
agree
with
in
adjusting
the
cap
every
five
years
and
it
would
be
for
the
inflation
over
the
past
five
years
and
I
kind
of
had
similar
thoughts
about
leaving
the
size
of
the
project
at
1
million,
rather
than
increasing
it
to
1.5.
So
I
appreciate
the
flexibility
there,
I
guess
and
maybe
I
read
this
incorrectly,
but
I
feel
like
I
read
somewhere
that
there
was
a
minimum
of
30
000.
What
was
that
for.
C
H
J
A
000.
yeah,
that's
what
it
was.
Okay.
Thank
you.
So
I
I
was
wondering
based
upon
some
comments
tonight,
while
I
know
we
don't
have
to
put
it
in
the
policy
to
say
you
know:
Council
always
has
a
discretion.
Sometimes
in
policies
we
do
say
like
our
alternative
mitigation
or
something
like
that,
it
council's
discretion
and
so
I
kind
of
feel,
like
maybe
I,
would
like
it
in
here
in
the
area
that
talks
about.
A
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
it
the
projects
that
the
expanded
list
of
projects
should
we
also
add
there
or
other
projects
at
council's
discretion.
A
Would
that
make
sense
to
do
looking
at
my
colleagues
and
they
are
not
either
shaking
their
head
up?
Yes
or
no.
A
A
M
F
B
A
B
Oh
yes,
Kimberly,
oh
staff,
just
had
a
brief
comment
thanking
the
committee
for
this
year's
work
and
also
highlighting
that
you
do
have
three
pending
items
that
are
a
part
of
your
work
plan
that
we
will
carry
into
2022
and
that
is
Council
policy,
D9
Council
policy,
A10
and
also
Council
policy
K2.
Some
modification
updates
will
be
coming
to
you
in
2022.
That's
Steph's,
brief
comment.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you.
So
actually,
you
you've
anticipated
my
my
request
in
many
respects,
because
the
meetings
occur
so
infrequently
I
forget
what's
in
our
work
plan
and
I
was
hoping
we
could
include
in
in
the
agenda
either
a
standing
item
or
just
maybe
at
the
end
of
the
agenda,
the
up
the
items
that
are
on
our
to-do
list,
because
it's
it's
so
difficult
to
keep
track
of
everything.
But
a
report
at
the
end
is
fine
too
I
think
it
achieves
a
substantially
similar
purpose.
A
I
kind
of
like
including
it
at
the
end,
just
so
not
only
we
know,
but
also
members
of
the
public
know,
and
they
don't
have
to
necessarily
come
to
the
meeting.
If
that
is
easy
to
do,.
C
E
Only
I
agree
with,
what's
being
said,
but
I
I
would
personally
like
you
to
read
both
not
just
the
number
of
the
policy,
but
the
sort
of
the
title,
the
subject,
because
honestly-
and
even
if
you
could
do
that
now,
because
honestly
I
have
no
idea
what
whatever
it
was,
K9
or
whatever
these
are
I
have
no
idea
what.
B
E
B
Course
staff
would
be
happy
to
do
that
now
if
you'd
like
that's
great,
okay,
yes,
so
and
I-
think
that
there
would
be
no
problem,
we
usually
do
provide
an
update
to
the
committee
at
the
end
of
each
session.
So
we'll
continue
along
that
that
pathway,
what
we
have
coming
up
will
be
Council
policy
D9,
which
is
the
appointee
communications
and
performance
evaluation
process.
There
will
be
some
modifications
for
human
Resources.
Division
will
be
a
department
will
be
willing
to
make
to
that.
B
There
is
also
Council
policy
A10,
which
is
the
authorization
to
execute
City
contracts
and
agreements
and
increase
certain
limited
Appropriations.
There
are
some
minor
cleanup
items
that
our
finance
department
would
like
to
make
to
that
policy.
Then.
The
third
item
is
Council
policy
K2,
which
is
Council
advisory
bodies
and
the
council
code
of
conduct.
There
will
be
a
number
of
modifications.
The
city
clerk
will
be
bringing
recommendations
to
align
with
the
political
reform
act
coming
to
you
in
2022..
A
Okay.
Well,
thank
you.
Everyone
I
really
appreciate
it
again.
It's
a
good
discussion.
I
appreciate
the
progress
we
made
on
these
items
and
I
look
forward
to
the
council
saying
yes,
so
thank
you
again.
The
meetings
adjourned
at
6
34.