►
From YouTube: Building Board of Appeals - February 8, 2023
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
It's
2023
I'd
like
to
welcome
everybody
to
the
Oklahoma
City
Board
of
Appeals
for
code.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call
Scott.
A
B
A
Thank
you.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
motion
to
elect
the
board
chair
and
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
only
have
four
people
here,
I
thought.
Maybe
we
could
delay
that.
Put
that
till
the
next
meeting
is
that
possible
to
do
you
want
to
vote
on
it?
Should
we
have
a
motion
in
the
vote.
C
A
D
A
F
E
E
D
C
A
For
this
is,
for
this
case
was
a
continuance
of
the
last
case
that
they
had.
The
previous
case
was
granting
temporary
occupancy
till
February
1st
2023.
This
appeal
try.
A
This
is
an
appeal
of
Stephen
stefanik,
superintendent
of
Independence
Charter
School
from
a
decision
of
the
code
official
for
non-compliance
with
chapter
four
section:
423
0.4,
the
supplement
of
the
international
building
code.
2015
is
adopted
by
the
City
of
Oklahoma
City
pertaining
to
the
requirement
or
to
the
required
storm
shelters
for
3232
Northwest
65th
Street.
A
This
this
case
was,
as
I
said
previously
approved
for
continuance,
with
a
provision
to
allow
temporary
occupancy
of
the
classrooms
through
February
1st
2023
.
Scott.
You
want
to
give
us
the
staff
analysis.
Please.
F
Okay,
the
applicant's
request
pertains
to
the
requirement
that
storm
shelters
be
provided
for
all
new
buildings
or
structures
incorporating
an
educational
eu's
group
under
the
IBC
2015
section
423.4.
This
requirement
also
states
that
storm
shelter
facilities
must
be
provided
with
capacity
to
house.
The
combined
document
load
of
the
students
and
faculty
with
which
the
initial
permit
encompasses
the
applicant
has
proposed
the
placement
of
modular
classroom
structures
to
house
students
on
campus,
but
had
no
initial
plans
for
adding
storm
shelters.
F
The
charter
school
here
is
currently
leasing,
space
on
property
from
Oklahoma,
City,
Public,
Schools
right
and,
as
such
may
be
limited
to
their
options
for
compliance.
The
awkward
look
for
the
classroom,
use
group
E
often
see
is
calculated.
According
to
the
IVC
at
20
square
feet,
net
per
occupant,
the
applicant
has
proposed
one
structure
of
6272
square
feet
which
one
subtracted
for
restrooms
and
Dead
Space
gives
us
a
Total,
Lock
and
Load
of
222
possible
students.
Not
that
you'll
be
perhaps
using
that
money
right.
F
The
IBC
then
States.
The
storm
shelters
ought
to
be
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
ICC
500,
which
states
that
there
shall
be
enough
room
to
provide
for
a
minimum
of
two
wheelchair
spaces
at
20
square
foot,
each
with
the
remaining
219
occupant
loads
requiring
five
square
feet.
Each
this
calculation
thus
requires
that
a
storm
shelter
facility
with
free
and
clear
floor
space
of
1135
square
feet
be
required
to
house
the
total
combined
off
and
load
of
the
new
structure.
F
F
Okay,
the
plan
review
staff
finds
no
languages
to
as
listed
in
either
the
ICC,
nor
the
IBC,
which
we
interpret
to
allow
for
the
applicant's
request
to
defer
from
the
construction
of
the
required
storm
shelters
any
further
doing
so
may
risk
the
lives
and
well-being
of
the
occupants
for
which
the
code
requires
that
requirements
submit
to
save.
A
G
We've
had
some
progress,
but
obviously
with
construction,
also
delays
and
so
you'll
see
a
little
timeline
I
had
for
you.
We
completed
the
fifth
grade
academy,
that's
where
this
came
into
effect,
officially
on
October
12th,
due
to
the
delays
with
the
permit.
It
also
delayed
the
construction,
so
we
did
have
students
housed
in
a
gymnasium
for
the
first
month
of
school
right
after
that,
we
went
and
seeked
for
an
architect
firm
to
begin
the
process
of
the
safe
room
which
we
did
hired
a
gentleman
behind
me,
Mr
Ben,
Smith,
that's
recognized
as
principal
design.
G
That's
why
I
appreciate
him
being
here
today
and
quickly.
To
my
surprise,
within
10
days,
they
submitted
a
building
permit
to
the
City
of
Oklahoma
City,
which
is
a
my
my
experience,
unheard
of
with
architect,
Farms
being
that
quick
on
it,
but
they
knew
we
had
a
timeline
had
to
act
quickly.
We
did
find
out,
though,
that
information
was
not
given
correctly
in
that
charter.
Schools
are
public
schools
by
law,
which
means
that
we
must
follow
the
Oklahoma
competitive
bidding
act,
and
so
it
delayed
the
process
a
little
bit
on
understanding.
G
No,
we
have
to
go
through
that
process
to
vet.
This
decision
with
our
Board
of
governance
and
so
I
think
February
8th.
Maybe
today
is
it
official
today
as
official
today
it
is
up
for
bid,
and
obviously
you
know
that
process
is
21
days
for
the
public
and
then
our
board
will
open
those
and
review
them
and
pick
one
and
to
satisfy
that.
G
But
obviously
we
won't
be
able
to
reach
the
February
1st
deadline
to
complete
the
project,
but
you'll
see
right
behind
the
deadline
or
the
timeline
that
we
have
the
sketch
of
the
architect
firm
and
what
we
are
proposing
to
complete,
which
has
been
approved.
Of
my
understanding
from
the
city
of
Oklahoma
City
I
have
to
go
forward
with
that.
In
addition,
there's
another
problem
with
this
ordinance
in
regards
to
school
districts.
So
this
way
you're
aware
of
it
I'm
different
from
Mustang
to
us.
G
It
is
not
allowed
by
State
education
laws
to
use
General
operating
funds
for
any
kind
of
construction,
which
is
why
you
see
a
lot
of
school
districts
use
bonds
to
do
such
thing
charter
schools
are
not
does
not
have
the
ability
to
do
school
bonds.
We
are
not
part
of
the
Oklahoma
City
Public
School
billion
dollar
bond
package,
and
so
at
the
end
of
February,
I
will
be
going
to
the
State
Board
of
Education
asking
for
a
waiver.
So
that
way
we
can
do
that.
G
I
have
no
reason
that
they
won't
support
that,
because
it's
it's
sort
of
someone's
got
to
give
in
order
us
to
accomplish
this,
but
that's
another
Avenue
that
we
have
to
face
in
order
to
have
General
operation
funds
go
to
this
project.
So
that's
sort
of
our
timeline.
I
will
be
honest.
Construction
is
not
my
forte,
so
that's
why
we
hired
an
architect
firm
and
such
so
I
put
on
here
kind
of
an
extension
to
April
30th.
G
A
A
A
Okay,
what
are
your
you
know
generally
in
when
people
come
before
our
board?
They
come
with
equivalencies,
something
that
would
allow
us
to
grant
them
a
conditioned
versus
just
changing
the
code
which
we
can't
do
so.
Do
you
have
any
fallback
positions
on
any
of
this?
The.
G
Only
thing
we
had
in
June
was
talked
about.
We
had
a
safety
plan
in
the
current
school
facility
where
those
79
I
know
at
occupy
Z
221,
but
we
only
have
79
fifth
grade
students,
so
those
teachers
and
students
have
a
it's
not
considered,
FEMA
coded,
that's
where
all
the
rest
of
students
go
into
school
for
any
emergency
reasons
for
tornadoes.
C
The
submission
of
bids
will
be
March,
8th.
B
C
And
then
have
you
guys
put
together
any
kind
of
timeline
as
to
how
long
it's
going
to
take
generally.
H
Generally,
there's
a
30-day
period
and
then
we'll
issue
a
notice
to
proceed
to
the
awarded
contractor,
but
that's
going
to
be
a
general
contractor.
We
don't
create
the
schedule
that
will
be
part
of
their
their.
Their
bid
will
be
calendar
days
on
on
the
project
and
could
be
considered
as
one
of
the
the
qualifying.
You
know,
parts
of
the
bid
you
know
if,
if
the
school
deems
so,
but
we
we
cannot,
we
would
not
advise
that
they
give
a
deadline
on
construction
because
that's
just
if
we
impose
liquidated
damages
or
something
on
contractors.
H
That's
just
going
to
drive
the
cost
up.
So
in
terms
of
estimated
completion
date.
I
would
expect
that
they
could
complete
the
job
of
this
size.
Hopefully
in
nine
months,
but
I
would
say,
nine
to
12
months
would
be
the
estimated
construction
time
but,
as
you
know,
with
materials
and
everything
being
kind
of
a
little
on
the
fritz
nowadays,
it's
hard
for
even
contractors
to
make
any
promises.
H
This
is,
this
is
just
custom
from
scratch:
conventional
construction.
So
it's
concrete
block.
What
was
submitted
here
is
all
cast
in
place
concrete.
That
has
been
changed.
The
addendum
for
cost
reasons
we're
just
going
to
go
to
concrete
block,
load-bearing
walls,
basically,
and
so
no
components,
no
Fast,
Track
options.
It's
likely
the
fastest
way
you
could
possibly
get
the
thing
built.
C
So
so
during
that
time,
between
now
and
May
18th,
what's
the
schools
position
or
how
do
they
plan
to
shelter
the
students
and
the
teachers
during
that
time,
in
case
of
a
tornado.
G
Yeah
absolutely
so
we
have
an
approved
tornado
kind
of
drill
approved
by
the
State
Board
of
Education
that
we're
accredited
on
that
they
practice
twice
twice
a
year
at
minimum.
There
is
a
current
location
where
those
kids
will
travel.
The
picture
right
above
you
I,
think
y'all
can
see
that
can
y'all
see
that
picture.
I'm
sorry
you'll
see
the
existing
portable
classroom.
G
That's
what,
when
you
said,
Ram
Tech,
that's
who
built
the
portable,
where
that
large
building
is
on
the
south
side
of
that
pitcher,
that's
as
far
as
they
have
to
go
to
get
into
the
main
building
to
where
the
other
students
are
going,
which
is
about
10
feet,
because
we
had
to
do
a
city
ordinance
of
10
feet
away
for
fire
fireproof
walls,
so
not
a
large
location.
They
do
it
every
day.
G
A
A
G
E
E
G
Our
goal,
at
least,
would
be.
Our
board
will
have
we'll
submit
a
bid
in
March
so
that
we
can
start
that
process
with
a
general
contractor
right.
E
G
E
G
But
we're
going
to
keep
going
forward
with
it.
It's
just
there's
been
some
delays
and
hiccups
on
it.
E
C
Okay,
how
many
temporary
storm
shelters
would
you
need
to
have
to
occupy.
G
The
ones
I
saw
Mustang
can
I
pick
on
you
for
a
second
I
think
they
held
20
kids,
each
30
to
32.,
yeah
I,
think
those
are
the
ones
I
looked
up
that
were
about
ten
thousand
dollars
a
month,
so
you're
looking
about
30.
We
need
at
least
if
they're,
34
of
them
to
just
Round
Up
with
the
staff
in
them
for
talking
about
forty
thousand
a
month
that
we
would
have
to
use
for
them.
G
Wouldn't
if
I
can
secure
some
donations,
which
we've
currently
are
working
on,
yeah
I
have
one
securement
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
a
foundation
in
the
city,
but
that's
the
off
offset
the
cost
of
the
actual
structure.
If
I
can
get
more,
possibly
but
financially,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
both
right
now-
half
a
million,
if
you
think
about
a
school
district
or
full
budget's
five
million
dollars.
So
500
000,
10
percent
of
our
budgets
really
hard
to
overcome
when
we
weren't
prepared
for
such.
C
I
just
worry
about
the
the
couple
of
months,
especially
this
spring
and
possibly
in
the
fall
during
the
tornado
or
storm
season,
when
the
the
kids
won't
be
safely
sheltered.
If
there
is
a
storm,
at
least
from
the
portable
building
which,
all
week,
that's
all
we
can
work
on
now
we
have
no
jurisdiction
over
the
existing
building,
just
just
the
portable
building
ones.
G
G
C
I
If
I
had
to
get
up,
no
I
don't
have
any
comment.
Our
issue
obviously
is
going
now
another
year
without
any
kind
of
storms.
I
The
the
issue
was,
we
thought
we
were
going
to
have
something
that
would
be
provide
at
least
a
safe
shelter
for
them
by
now,
so
that
during
this
storm
season,
that's
coming
up
quickly,
there
would
be
some
type
of
shelter
so
I.
This
is
a
good
plan.
I
like
that
they're
proposing
a
large
shelter
that
can
hold
a
lot
of
people,
but
it
as
far
as
what
the
code
requires
for
what
was
built
before,
which
was
the
temporary
classrooms.
G
They're
quite
their
completed
beginning
of
October,
we
opened
it
up
to
students,
October
12th.
C
G
C
I
guess
my
main
concern
is
still
since
the
middle
of
October
you've
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
temporary
building
and
try
to
find
funding
for
that,
which
is
the
impression
I
believe
we
were
under,
that
we
were
going
to
have
something
so
that
it
would
be
implemented
by
by
the
you
know,
end
of
March,
maybe
at
the
latest
we
had
I
think
we
extended
it
to
February
1st,
but
I
think
our
to
go
through
another
nine
months.
C
A
I
mean
I
think
we're
just
you
know.
You're
kind
of
putting
the
the
board
is
really
in
a
difficult
position,
because
we
really
don't
have
any
equivalencies
to
look
at.
There's
no
plan
to
you
know.
Take
care
of
this
I
mean
we've
already
granted
one.
You
know
various.
So
there's
no
plan
to
take
care
of
the
immediate
need.
A
F
I
mean,
if
you
know
I
mean
obviously
there's
been
students
there
for
years
without
a
storm
shelter
which
is
part
of
the
conundrum,
because
the
code
only
recognizes,
in
effect
the
new
students,
but
I
mean
yeah.
If
your
existing
structure
is
not
ICC,
you
know
more
FEMA
rated
I
mean
yeah,
it's
it's
technically,
not
equivalent
to
the
storm
shelter.
Of
course
nobody
had
them
and
it's
it's.
The
unfortunate
conundrum
of
of.
B
F
D
C
Mean
if
nobody
else
with
it
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
deny
the
extension
and
I
guess
that
would
leave
it
up
to
Scott
to
do
the
temporary
occupancy
permit.
F
F
Okay
and
Weber.
D
D
F
Kyle
Lombardo:
yes,
yes,
Jim
recorder,
yes
and
Tyrone.
Rookie.
C
C
B
H
B
A
Well,
my
thought
was
that
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
extending
out
a
whole
year.
You
know
you
know,
maybe
there's
you
know
some
expedit.
You
know
some
way
to
expedite
construction.
Well,.
H
I
will
say
that,
from
a
constructive
construction
perspective
in
a
business
perspective,
they're
going
to
move
as
fast
as
possible,
they
have
no
incentive
to
drag
at
all.
No,
and
if
you
don't
mind,
I
do
have
a
comment.
Code
is
written
and
it's
very
rigid,
but
there
is
a
spirit
of
the
code
and
the
reason
it's
not
you
have
to
provide
a
shelter
for
every
student
is
because
it's
not
practical.
H
The
reason
it's
written.
The
way
it
is
is
because
a
lot
of
school
districts
have
options.
Texas
and
California.
Most
of
the
schools
in
the
country
can
just
write
checks.
California
doesn't
have
a
storm,
shelter
issue,
but
the
spirit
of
the
code
is
to
incrementally
improve
School
sites
because
they
don't
go
away.
They're,
not
Starbucks,
they're
there
for
a
long
time,
so
the
spirit
is
to
incrementally
improve
the
safety
condition
of
those
facilities,
which
is
what
they're
doing
here
and
so
I
understand.
H
There's
a
gap
in
the
safety
of
those
students,
but
the
reality
is,
none
of
those
students
are
protected
currently,
and
so
this
is
a
step
in
that
direction.
Hopefully,
in
10
years
15
years,
every
school
in
the
state
will
be
able
to
house
all
of
all
of
their
students,
but
right
now
we
do
a
lot
of
small
school
districts.
H
H
A
We
we
really
I
mean
it
breaks
our
heart
to
have
to
do
this.
Believe
us
the
the
fact
that,
like
you
said
it
was
incremental,
that's
why,
when
we
originally
granted
this,
we
didn't
go
back
and
look
at
making
the
entire
school
have
to
be
protected
and
I
happen
to
know
that
there
really
needs
to
be
an
effort
to
get
the
legislature
to
allow
the
smaller
school
districts
like
you're,
talking
about
to
go
ahead
and
increase
their
bonding
capacity,
because
they're
not
even
doing
that.
A
There
are
states
that
actually
fund
these
facilities
for
kids
and
they
use
everything
from
the
coveted
funds
to
you
know
whatever
they
have
available
surpluses
and
things
like
that,
so
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly.
I
think
everybody
on
this
board
agrees
with
you
wholeheartedly.
It's
just.
This
board
is
not
in
a
position
to
change
the
code,
and
that's
also
I
know
it's
in
black
and
white,
but
that
you
know
the
spirit
of
the
code
is
that
no
one
person
can
just
outright
change
it
other
than
the
authorities
have
in
jurisdiction.
G
Because
I'll
tell
you
once
they
they
take
away
the
building
permit
you're
going
to
have
79
students
lose
to
school.
It's
going
to
cause
a
lot
of
other
problems.
So
here's
my
proposal
to
you,
I'm
gonna,
do
the
best.
I
can
okay,
but
school
ends.
May
right,
extend
it
to
that
timeline.
There's
no
students
there,
June
and
July,
and
a
few
weeks
actually
to
calendar
your
next
year
is
delayed
in
schools,
because
it's
a
leap
year
and
I
try
to
expedite
this
to
be
done
by
August
before
the
school.
G
If
not
I
have
a
backup
plan.
I
can
put
those
children
in
in
the
gym.
Parents
aren't
going
to
like
it,
but
that's
an
option,
but
I
do
know.
If
I
do
that
right
now,
they're
just
going
to
de-enroll
anyway,
because
they
didn't
like
it
to
begin
with,
but
they'll
understand.
If
there's
a
delay
in
construction,
they
see
it
just
like
they
did
in
in
August
this
year.
So
that
would
be
my
proposal
to
you.
G
G
I'm
proposing
to
extend
the
deadline
of
this
completion
to
the
end
of
school
year,
because
June
and
July
I'm
not
going
to
use
I,
don't
need
the
occupancy
of
that
building
right.
There's,
no
there's
no
students
in
it.
So
really
it's
a
delay
to
July,
but
you
as
a
board,
only
have
to
say
to
May,
because
I
don't
need
your
occupancy
in
the
summer
months
for
that
building.
So
it
gives
me
an
extra
two
months
on
top
of
till
May
to
complete
this
project
and
then
me,
with
the
help
of
Ben.
G
You
know
once
I
get
a
general
contractor,
we
can
do
a
little
barking
to
try
to
get
it
expedited
as
fast
as
we
can.
We
can't
control
material
costs
and
such,
but
we
can
try
to
expedite
it.
So
that's
just
a
proposal
or
I
will
have
to
down
to
79
students
the
moment
I
get
it
at
email
that
their
school
was
shut
down
with
six
teachers
that
are
on
contract,
that
we
will
not
be
able
to
pay
for
anymore.
G
We
can't
currently,
because
you
have
other
operations
going
on
in
the
school
year,
but
when
you
start
a
school
year,
you
have
limitations
on
what's
going
on
in
the
gymnasium
right,
so
you're
talking
about
a
school
that
has
extracurriculars
all
those
kind
of
activities
you're
going
to
chaos,
the
entire
school
and
I
I.
Just
can't
do
that
to
our
kids.
C
But
still
leaves
in
the
the
fact
that
the
the
most
opportune
time
for
bad
weather
to
hit
is
March,
April
and
May
here,
and
those
are
the
times
that
I'm
that
I'm
worried
about
I
mean
if
this
was
in.
You
know
we're
looking
at
having
to
do
something
like
this
in
June,
July
and
August
with
no.
C
F
B
F
Argument
of
whether
or
not
to
give
the
extension
for
the
next
three
months,
of
course,
is
is
the
main
one
here,
but
if
you
know,
if
the
board
doesn't
see
fit
to
give
them
the
three
months
here
in
the
immediate
future,
I
don't
know
if
you'd
want
to
at
least
amend
the
denial
to
give
them
Tempco
over
the
you
know
the
summer
and
the
the
fall
you
know,
I
mean
if
the
worry
is
mainly
about
the
storm
season.
Here
you
know.
F
Okay,
that's
one
argument,
but
you
know
after
summer,
when
they're
going
to
have
what
a
few
months,
at
least
in
the
beginning
of
the
year,
without
the
Swarm
shelter
installed
all
the
way
right,
but.
F
F
You're
going
to
be
looking
to
occupy
these
temporary
or
well,
these
classrooms
next
fall
as
well
correct.
Okay,
so
even
if
they
deny
the
next
three
months,
you'd
probably
want
them
to
at
least
remember
them,
and
us,
you
know
to
at
least
give
you
a
Tempco
for
the
classrooms
for
the
fall
correct,
I'm,
going
to
to
at
least
get
something,
but.
G
To
all
right,
you
have
to
give
me
time
because
I
have
to
research
it
and
go
to
my
door,
but
the
board
is
going
to
have
to
do
a
temporary
kind
of
situation
for
three
months,
at
least
until
May,
when
the
students
are
not
in
this
occupancy.
That's
an
option.
Well,.
C
And
that
would
be
up
to
Scott
under
temporary
occupation
pyramid
on
that
we're
just
saying
we're
not
going
to
extend
the
the
variants
which
the
temporary
occupancy
is
part
of
it,
but
we
don't
give
temporary
occupancy
that's
up
to
the
city.
B
J
Lou
falsetti
I
represent
the
district.
If
the
concern
is
the
safety
of
the
kids,
okay,
we
have
to
look
at
this
as
as
a
whole.
Okay,
we
have
a
building
that
has
300
people
in
it.
Now,
okay,
that,
if
Antonio
came
through,
we
have
another
building
that
has
85
or
so
people
in
it
that
were
one
you're
telling
us.
We
can't
do
because
we
have
to
have
shelter
for
them,
but
not
the
others.
J
Well,
if
they're
in
the
same
boat,
you're
treating
kids
differently,
we
take
those
kids.
We
put
them
in
that
building
now
they're
in
the
same
boat
as
the
other
kids
everybody's,
together,
you're
treating
everybody
the
same
you're,
not
discrimping
against
these
kids
over
those
kids,
okay,
so
I
don't
understand
why,
then
in
the
temporary
until
at
least
through
May?
J
If
something
should
happen,
okay,
that
we
don't
put,
we
can't
there
will
be
something
wrong
with
putting
those
kids
in
that
in
the
fifth
grade
into
the
main
building,
where
those
other
kids
already
are
and
they'll
be
secure.
If
that's
okay,
why
isn't
that?
J
Okay,
to
give
the
extension
through
May
and
then,
if
we
need
to
go
into
summer,
when
there's
two
months,
we
don't
have
any
students
in
the
building
if
it
gets
to
near
August
or
we're
starting
to
get
close
to
that
and
then,
for
whatever
reason,
there's
a
construction
issue,
you
know
and
the
buildings,
but
things
aren't
getting
timely
done.
Then
we
would
most
likely
have
no
other
choice
but
to
get
the
temporary
shelters
but
again
we're
a
charter
school.
J
We
don't
have
a
whole
bunch
of
money
and
we
cannot
Bond
we're
not
allowed
to
by
law.
So
we
have
to
try
to
get
permission
from
The
District
board
to
use
our
general
funds
to
pay
for
that.
Well
then,
we
could
do
that.
We
can
put
four
or
five
temporary
shelters
in
in
August,
so
we'll
have
those
covered.
It
won't
cost
us
how
many
months
that
is
five
months,
200
000
or
more
just
for
the
temporary
ones.
J
J
It's
it's
I
know
we're
all
a
bind
here:
okay,
but
we're
talking
about
80,
kids
and
not
just
kids
families.
They
now
have
to
find
somebody
where
their
kids
can
go
now.
If
this
is
the
beginning
year,
we
might
be
able
to
gym,
because
it's
not
already
taken
care
of
there's,
not
programs.
It's
not
curricular
activities
going
in
there.
J
There's
not
basketball
games
going
in
there
or
whatever
else
in
there,
so
we
can't
put
them
in
there
because
then,
that
that
messes
up,
just
not
our
school,
all
the
other
schools
that
would
come
to
use
the
facility
in
a
game
say.
So
we
can't
do
that,
but
I
don't
see
what
the
problem
would
be
or
the
difficulty.
If
we
put
the
kids
in
the
main
building,
where
the
other
300
people
are
now
they're
all
on
the
same
under
the
same
thing,
if
that's
okay,
why
wouldn't
this
be?
Okay?
Well,.
A
To
answer
your
question:
the
code
was
adopted
by
the
city.
The
code
is
the
code
and
that's
what
we
all
have
to
abide
by
now.
I
can
tell
you
right
now:
the
state
is
looking
at
in
their
adoption
that
it'll
have
to
be
retroactive
for
the
entire
school,
so
the
case
that
you
just
described
would
not
happen
in
the
future,
because
they're
going
to
make
you
build
a
shelter
for
the
entire
population
of
the
school.
A
We
did
not
do
that
in
this
case,
because
at
the
time
it
wasn't
really
the
way
it
was
required
by
the
city.
The
state
didn't
actually
have
that
portion
of
the
code
in
place
at
that
time.
So
my
you
know,
and
again
we
understand
it
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense
that
some
of
the
children
are
treated
different
than
the
others,
but
this
is
a
variance
board
to
give
you
a
variance
to
the
code,
it's
not
to
Grant
you
more
time
to
do.
A
You
know
the
Project's
been
going
on
for
a
year
now
or
so
it's
since
July
I,
guess
maybe
you
know
eight
months
and
we're
no
closer
to
satisfying
the
requirements
of
the
code
than
we
were
I
mean
a
little
closer,
but
about
halfway
through
the
process
and
believe
me,
I
mean
if,
if
we
any
of
us
up
here,
could
snap
our
fingers
and
change
it.
We
probably
would.
But
that's
not
what
this
board's
for
this
board
is
to
Grant
a
variance
to
the.
J
J
They're
going
to
require
it,
but
we're
talking
about
here
is
a
limited
amount
of
time
and
not
to
downplay
it
or
to
minimize
it.
But
if
you
look
at
history
over
I've
been
here
for
40
years,
that
area
has
never
been
hit
with
a
tornado
ever
in
all
those
years.
Okay,
it's
always
other
ways
around
the
city.
So
yeah
you
run
the
odds,
you
run
the
risks,
but
so
those
up
300
kids
that
are
in
that
other
building.
So
we're
going
to
have
these
kids
safe
that
building
gets
hit,
they
die.
J
We
got
the
80
kids
here
that
are
still
alive.
I,
understand,
you're,
you're
kind
of
a
bind,
but
I
think
if
you,
if
you're
allowed
to
give
an
extension.
This
is
the
case
where
you
could
give
the
extension
to
the
end
of
May
that
I,
if
you
can
do
an
extension
at
all,
okay,
because
then
another
three
months,
because
when
we
were
here
last
time
we
were
told
come
back.
J
If
you
need
more
time,
we
came
back
because
we
need
more
time,
because
we
can't
with
all
the
construction
and
and
remember
that
everything
else
that's
going
on
in
the
world.
We
can't
get
everything
accomplished
in
time,
okay
and
we're
asking
for
three
months
to
put
them
and
if
something
happens,
we
put
them
in
the
same
building
300
other
people
are
in,
that's
all
we're
asking
and
you
have
the
power
to
Grant
an
extension.
Obviously,
that's
all
we're
asking.
A
A
I
mean
it
says
this
case
was
previously
approved
for
continuance,
with
a
provision
to
allow
temporary
occupancy
of
the
classrooms
through
to
February
1st
2023,
at
which
time
the
temporary
Co
would
be
revoked
or
the
new
new
storm
shelters
would
be
in
place.
No
exemption
was
granted
for
a
reduction
in
the
occupant
load
of
the
square
footages,
so
it
was
our
impression
that
it
was
going
to
be
you're
either
going
to
have
something
in
place,
not.
A
J
G
Up
here,
sorry,
two
things
occur.
One
thing
is
this
project
is
delayed,
not
just
because
of
us,
but
six
months
from
the
city,
not
informing
of
this
as
a
code,
which
is
why
you
got
it
in
June.
We
were
not
informed
in
January
last
year.
Okay,
so
if
we
think
about
six
more
months,
we
could
have
been
done
by
now,
but
we
had
six
less
months
to
complete
it.
The
second
one
is,
you
are
right,
it's
not
in
your
minutes,
but
you
and
I
personally
had
a
conversation
right
here
on
saying.
J
E
E
You
know
I
would
amend
it
for
the
three
months
and
then
you
guys
do
what
you
need
to
do
to
get
this
done.
If
you
need
to
come
back
again
it,
maybe
this
is
kicking
it
down
the
can
down
the
road
I,
don't
know,
but
I
also
understand,
there's
life
safety
risk.
This
is
what
this
is
all
about,
too.
Nobody
wants
to
have
their
name
tagged,
even
though
a
tornado
hasn't
hit
that
area
ever.
Maybe
nobody
wants
their
name
attached
to
that.
E
A
B
J
Get
it
I
really
don't
if
we
have
80
kids
in
one
building,
they're
right
next
to
it
100
feet
away,
we
have
300
you're
condemning
them
for
the
sake
of
these,
when
we
can
put
them
all
in
the
same
boat,
which
would
be
okay,
because
nobody,
if
they're
on
the
same
boat,
then
we're
complying
with
the
law.
We
are
complying
with
the
law.
Okay
and
we're,
then
we're
complying
with
the
ordinance.
J
J
G
J
We
if
we
were
able
to
do
that,
okay,
storm's
coming
the
kids,
are
in
the
gym.
Okay,
we
bring
them
into
the
gym
when
the
store
is
coming
during
the
same
thing
if
they
were
in
there
for
class,
but
we
still
have
the
safety
buildings
while
we're
trying
to
get
the
buildings,
it's
a
distinction
without
a
difference,
and
it
makes
actually
no
sense
when
you
have
the
power
to
make
it
make
sense
by
just
giving
the
extension
until
the
end
of
May.
J
A
Charles
Bradley
superintendent,
Mustang
Public,
School
District
from
a
decision
of
the
code
official
for
non-compliance
with
chapter
four
section:
423
supplement
of
the
international
building
code
2015
is
adopted
by
the
City
of
Oklahoma
City
pertaining
to
required
storm
shelters
for
9201
Southwest
59th
Street,
Prairie
View
Elementary
School.
This
case
was
previously
approved
for
continuous
provision
to
allow
temporary
occupancy
of
classrooms
to
February
1st
2023,
at
which
time
temporary
Co
would
be
revoked
or
new
storm
shelters
would
be
in
place.
F
Okay,
so
the
applicant's
request
pertains
to
the
requirements
of
storm
shelters
for
storm
shelves
to
be
provided
for
all
new
buildings
or
structures
incorporating
the
education
e-use
group,
another
2015
IBC.
This
requirement
also
States
the
storm.
Shelter
facilitation
must
be
provided
with
capacity
to
house
the
occupant
load,
combined
document
load
of
the
students
and
faculty
for
which
the
initial
permit
encompasses.
F
F
The
IVC
2015
states
that
storm
shelters
are
to
be
constructed,
of
course,
with
the
ICC
500,
which
would
require
325
square
feet
of
storm
shelter
area.
In
addition,
of
course,
obviously
2015
doesn't
allow
does
not
allow
for
the
permitting
of
temporary
uses
or
does
allow
excuse
me
for
the
permanent
temporary
uses
when
approved
by
the
bill
and
official.
F
The
plan
review
staff
funds
no
languages
list
in
either
codes,
which
we
interpret
to
allow
for
the
applicants
requested
for
construction
of
the
storm
shelter
while
pinning
the
possible
certification
of
existing
facilities,
which
they
deliver
storm,
shelters
or,
of
course,
with
adding
new
storm
shelters,
as
we've
recently
done
in
the
recent
months.
But
the
plan
review
staff
has
allowed
for
the
construction
of
the
classrooms
to
begin
while,
yet
holding
the
permanent
certificate
of
occupancy
attending
these
storm,
shelters
or
or
engineer,
certification.
K
K
K
You
would
be
I.
Think
general
public
would
be
really
surprised
as
to
how
difficult
this
process
is
and
I
think
it
works.
A
larger
conversation
at
the
legislative
level
kind
of
help
find
school
districts
like
ours
that
are
really
in
predicaments.
That's
what
can
you
do
it's
illegal
this
way,
it's
illegal,
this
way
kind
of
become
a
little
Guru
on
storm
shelters.
K
You
know,
there's
commercial
shelters,
there's
residential
shelters,
I've
talked
to
people
in
North,
Carolina,
Minnesota,
Texas
Oklahoma,
like
I,
said
I'm
on
my
10th
vendor.
No
one
has
very
very
few.
People
have
should
say
in
my
research
shelters
that
they
can
just
ship
transport
and
set
on
site
anchoring
mechanisms.
Does
it
have
a
pad?
Does
it
need
a
pad?
No
pad?
Is
it
heavy
enough?
Is
it
FEMA?
Is
it
ICC
500
Oklahoma
engineering
stamp?
K
Having
said
all
that,
I
also
don't
have
half
a
million
dollars
at
my
disposal
to
solve
this
problem
and
I,
don't
think
Harding
does
either
so
that
throws
in
another
level
of
challenge
for
all
of
us.
So
my
challenge
was
solve
the
problem
as
soon
as
you
can
as
cheap
as
you
can
so
that
took
me
down
the
road
of
10,
vendors
and
I'm
here
to
report
to
you
today
that
I
do
I
found
a
vendor.
That's
local
Oklahoma,
stamped
engineer.
K
They
have
shop,
drawing
spec
sheets
that
that
makes
sense
people
can
understand.
They
have
an
engineer
willing
to
oversee
the
implementation
and
set
process
of
the
shelter
prefab
construction
is
concrete,
refried
concrete
on
a
concrete
slab
that
we'll
have
another
vendor
pour
and
set
to
specifications.
K
K
The
21st
of
April
is
when
they
can
have
it
done
for
Valley,
but
I'm
not
worried
about
Valley
right.
We
want
to
revoke
that
T.O.
Sorry,
we
can
pull
those
kids
inside
I'm
not
worried
about
that.
One
I'm
more
concerned
about
Valley
I
mean
I
pray
to
you,
because
I've
got
two
portables
25
kids
and
a
teacher
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
put
I
can't
put
them
in
a
gym
either
I'm.
Looking
at
cafeteria
space,
counseling
offices,
I,
that's
a
problem
you
have
to
solve,
depending
on
the
outcome
today.
K
So
I
guess
my
request
is
then
you
know
we
didn't
meet
the
February
1st
Target
if
we
can
get
an
extension
through
the
24th
of
March
for
one
school,
that's
what
I'm
asking
for
again.
This
is
one
of
those
things
where
it's
been
arduous
and
extremely
difficult
trying
to
solve
this
problem.
K
So
if
we
get
the
extension,
fantastic
follow-up,
the
24th
we
ask
for
per
bending
to
come
out
and
look
at
the
shelter
and
all
of
that
business
with
with
Prairie
View
Elementary
again,
if
we,
if,
if
you
you
know
revoke
the
to
that's
at
Valley,
that's
fine
I.
Think
those
key
I
don't
even
know
if
those
kids
are
still
meeting
in
that
portable
right
now.
K
K
And
you
know
all
the
all
the
accompanying
you
know:
potential
Plumbing
potential
electrical
water,
sidewalks,
fencing
all
the
other
ancillary
considerations
that
come
with
putting
kids
in
a
in
a
shelter,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are.
If
you
have
any
questions,
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
specific
questions
so.
K
C
K
K
They
may
very
well
not
have
pending
the
outcome
of
today.
Simply
because
are
we
going
to
need
to
expedite
this
and
take
advantage
of
the
shipping
date
and
the
delivery
date
that
they've
assured,
as
they
could
do
or
is
it?
Do
we
tell
them
hey,
you
know,
pull
the
lead
off,
let
up
a
little
bit.
You've
got
some
time
because
I
have
no
idea
what
other
orders
they've
shifted
to
meet
our
deadline
and.
F
And
you
know
again:
I
don't
know
where
we're
at
in
either
either
of
the
permitting
processes,
because
I
know
my
staff's
doing
the
reviews
if
we
do
have
a
permit
in
the
process
or
Corrections
required
either
party.
Here,
of
course,
please
let
me
know
directly
and
we
will
have
both
X,
but
out
of
this
as
much
as
possible
on
our
side.
D
B
A
A
We
were
just
discussing,
oh
since
you
both
are
in
the
same
position
and
Mike
I
I
think
we
would
like
to
hear
from
you
on
this
particular
case
as
well.
A
I
Again,
I
don't
want
to.
That
was
the
reason
we
had
for
for
approving
it
previously
was
that
we
thought
we
would
get
something
by
this
time
so
that
it
would
be
in
place
for
the
storm
season.
March
24th
may
not
be
too
bad,
so
it's
not
that
far
away
still
early
April's,
worse
May
is
even
worse.
June
is
worse.
You
know
this.
I
The
storm
as
the
storm
season
goes
so
I,
it's
a
different
situation,
but
it's
the
same
kind
of
issue
is
that
they've
added
classroom
space
and
buy
the
code
and
by
the
state
requirements
and
the
city
council
mandate.
We
want
to
have
storm
shelters
if
you're
going
to
add
classrooms.
I
So
again,
like
I,
say
this.
The
request
to
March
24th
may
not
be
too
far
away
honestly
and
then
we'll
have
storm
shelters
there
for
the
the
number
that
we
need
I
mean
on
on
the
overall
look
at
it.
The
school
district
needs
to
look
at
just
having
a
shelter.
Much
like
most
all
the
Oklahoma
City
schools
have
gone
in
and
built
gymnasium
storm
shelters.
You
know
at
the
schools.
They
just
need
to
keep
doing
that.
They
only
did
it
at
the
schools
that
they
were
using.
I
They
weren't
using
that's
just
something
needs
to
be
looked
at
on
the
school
district
basis,
so
the
Prairie
Valley,
which
was
the
first
one
great
view
a
valley,
is
the
other
school
of
Prairie.
View
I,
don't
know
how
many
classrooms
did
they
actually
had
just
one
modular
building
that
had
two
classrooms
in
it
and
then
at
Valley
same
thing,
one
building
that
had
two
classrooms
in
it.
So
it's
very
limited,
as
opposed
to
the
other
case
that
we
had
where
they
I,
don't
know.
I
If
it
was
five
or
six
pieces,
you
know
to
make
that
modular
classroom
they
had.
It
was
a
lot
larger
student
load.
So
again
it
it's
up
to
the
board.
If
you
feel
that's
appropriate,
it's
not
for
us.
You
know
fire
safety,
life
safety
that
stuff's
still
going
to
apply
that
won't
matter.
You
know
this
is
just
during
a
storm
event.
I
If
something
happens,
that
they
have
some
place
to
go
and
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
school
does
now,
as
far
as,
if
something
happens,
I'm
sure
they
don't
leave
them
out
in
the
portable
they
they
come
in
the
main
building
somewhere
and
there's
a
safer
area
may
not
be
fully
compliant
safe
room,
but
again
the
time
frames
it.
If
it's
completed,
you
know
in
a
quick
time
frame
the
way
that
that's
been
explained.
I
I
think
it
would
probably
be
okay.
K
I
do
have
one
other
question
since
we've
gone
down
virtually
every
road
trying
to
skin
this
cat,
so
to
speak.
If
I
have
Valley,
Elementary
and
I
have
currently
four
Portables
there,
three
that
were
placed
in
the
early
2000s
and
then
the
most
recent
one
who
was
placed
right
before
this
starting
school
year
and
of
those
four
Portables
I've
got
one.
That's
new
and
three:
that's
old
I've
only
got
one
class
in
one
of
those
Portables.
The
other
two
are
used
for
storage.
K
I
F
K
F
F
You
know
nothing
like
that's
been
considered.
I
know
the
city
doesn't
have
any
type
of
a
plan
or-
or
you
know
procedure
for
anything
like
that.
You
know.
We've
already
somewhat
talked
about
the
conundrum,
with
the
board
or
the
conundrum
with
the
city
itself.
F
You
know
we
have
to
remember
back
that
it
was
the
the
city
council
themselves,
the
city
council,
members
back
in
2013
2014
after
the
last
you
know
major
May
tornado
with
the
the
loss
of
life
there
that
they
were
the
ones
that
actually
insisted
for
this
to
be
in
the
code
themselves
under
their
Direction.
So
it's
it's
always
been
a
little
bit
of
a
conundrum
for
both
parties.
Here
and
obviously
it's
been
a
difficulty
for
people.
F
You
know
folks
on
your
side,
but
it's
it
puts
us
in
a
position
that
is
it's
very
difficult
for
us
to
to
defer
from
the
requirement,
because
we
don't
know
you
know
we
don't
have
much
more
information
on
their
intent
during
those
city
council
hearings
back
in
2013
2014.,
you
know
and
nothing
additional
was
written
into
this
to
allow
for
procedures
or
programs
or
other
alternate
means.
F
So
that's
where
we're
at,
but
no
I
mean
right
right
now
and
historically,
we've
not
had
any
other
policies,
procedures,
plan
of
action
that
we've
ever
seen
or
that
we've
ever
even
proposed
on
our
side
but
I'm,
just
not
even
sure
it
would
be
possible.
A
A
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
was
any
thing
that
might
be
able
to
be
considered
by
either
of
these
groups.
That
would
be
looked
upon
in
the
same
light,
even
though
it
wasn't
a
mathematical
model
that
would
give
them
the
relief
they
need
for
at
least
the
two
or
three
months.
I
I
And
those
are
not
long,
lasting
events
comes
and
it
passes
through
and
then
you're
digging
through
the
rubble
at
the
end.
So
you
don't
you're
not
going
to
be
in
there
for
a
long
time
that
what
we've
always
felt
is
the
way
that
the
storm
shelter
code
is
actually
written.
It
seems
like
they
intend
that
people
are
going
to
be
in
there
for
a
while,
but
biggest
issue
obviously
is
structural,
perhaps
I
mean.
Obviously
the
structural
statement
of
the
building
is
the
biggest
factor
for
us.
I
K
Use
with
your
decision,
we
would
be
happy
to
do
that.
We
were
informed
or
asked
to
do
that,
but
we
can
do
that.
It
doesn't
change
the
code.
Even
if
we
have
a
hardened
area
within
the
building
with
a
capacity
of
900.
It's
not
ICC
500
because
it
doesn't
have
concrete
lid.
We
had
KFC
engineer
come
out
and
look
at
it.
It's
going
to
cost
us
half
a
million
dollars
to
create
an
ICC
500
storm
shelter
there,
which
is
on
a
bond
proposal.
K
Right
I
mean
we're
looking
to
do
that,
but
I
even
with
Mustang's,
bonding
capacity,
I
can't
just
say:
500,
you
know
500
000,
and
so
it
is
a
process
and
yeah
we
were
here
in
August,
I,
don't
know,
I
guess
you
know
my
recommendation
to
people
coming
into
this
is
plan
on
at
least
a
year
to
get
through
this
process
to
find
a
solution,
because
if
you
can't
find
a
vendor
right,
the
money
is
going
to
be
an
issue
and
then
you're
looking
at
potential
supply
chain
shortages,
steel,
everything
else
you
know
I
mean
we've
all
experienced
that
you
guys
are
aware
of
that.
K
A
K
Yes,
we've
done
that.
Yes,
in
fact,
one
of
my
primary
responsibilities
is
to
be
where
they're
aware,
National
Weather
Service
puts
out
a
webinar
when
weather
events
come
through
as
recent
as
last
week
with
ice
storm
when
tornado
season
gets
here.
We
know
when
we're
weather
aware
days,
we'll
listen
to
the
webinar,
meet
11,
30
or
noon
and
kind
of
talk
about
water
afternoon
plans
are
from
everything
from
you
know,
bus
routes
to
do
we,
you
know,
terminate
school
at
two
o'clock
and
leave
early.
Do
we
push
out
to
parents?
K
So
those
are,
you
know,
we're
we're
in
a
situation
where
we
don't
want
any
kid
in
a
situation
where
they're
going
to
get
hurt
in
any
way
shape
or
form
with
any
kind
of
weather
event.
So
yeah,
you
know
every
new
school
we've
built
since
Prairie,
View,
I,
would
say:
Meadowbrook
has
a
shelter.
Riverwood
has
a
shelter
Central
Middle
School
has
a
shelter,
I
mean
it's
just
something
we
do
now
with
new
buildings.
This
is
one
of
those
things
where
adding
square
footage.
With
a
portable.
K
It's
just
school
districts
don't
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
to
be
able
to
solve
these
problems
in
ways
that
work
for
school
districts,
so
we're
just
trying
to
do
the
best
we
can
with
whatever's
available
to
us
so
again,
I
you
know
with
Prairie
View
I've
got
an
estimated
delivery
date
of
March
24th,
so
I
thought
I
would
come
and
let
give
you
update
on
the
progress
and
let
you
know
where
we
are
and
if
we
could
stay
where
we
are
now
and
not
disrupt
those
two
classes,
that
would
be
fantastic
and
ideal
for
student
learning.
K
If
you
tell
us,
we've
got
to
be
out
by
this
afternoon
at
three
o'clock:
I
go
back
and
we're
out
by
three
o'clock,
and
you
know
we're
looking
at
other
spaces
that
are
not
ideal
for
learning
until
March
24th,
where
we
could
get
a
shelter
and
get
the
city
back
out
to
permit
it
and
reoccupy
those
spaces.
K
C
C
I,
don't
think
extending
yours
to
the
24th
would
allow
you
to
bring
in
a
new
building,
but
it
gives
you
whatever
that
is
44
days
to
for
the
school,
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
plan
to
to
do
something.
We.
C
And
they've
already
got
something
coming,
that's
going
to
be
here
and
that
I
mean
that
weighs
a
lot
with
us.
Yours
is
still
no
matter
what
going
to
be
out.
You
know
nine
months
at
the
earliest.
K
B
C
Make
a
motion
on
the
application
number:
it's
a
number
two:
oh
two:
two:
zero:
zero:
zero:
two
for
the
Prairie
View
Elementary
that
we
extend
the
temporary
occupancy
to
March
the
24th.
F
Okay
Kyle:
what's
your
vote.
A
F
Yes,
okay
and
Jim:
no,
no.
B
A
I
would
encourage
you
know
both
of
you.
If
you
can
work
with
the
city
to
come
up
with
an
alternative
that
the
city
would
agree
to
bring
to
us
like,
and
it
may
be,
I
mean
we've
had,
even
though
they
were
mathematical
models.
We've
had
written
plans
before
that
we've
accepted
as
alternatives
to
specific
problems
that
have
to
do
with
fire,
and
things
like
that
and
again,
this
would
have
to
be
something
that's
negotiated
with
the
city
that
they
would
consider
an
equivalency
and
would
want
to
stand
behind
and
recommend
that
this
will
work.
I
I
To
get
the
lack
on
this
phase
of
lack
of
four
votes
either
way
for
denial
will
continue
we'll
continue.
It.
A
A
A
C
G
C
I
K
The
second
one
wanted
to
come
and
say:
March
24th
is
at
ETA
for
the
school
I'm
most
concerned
with.
That
would
be
most
disruptive
student
learning.
The
other
one
then
pull
that
class
out
of
there.
However,
when
it's
delivered
April
21st
I
would
assume
we
would
just
go
through
the
permitting
process
to
get
stamp
of
approval
to
permit
ICC,
500,
Etc
and.
F
K
F
For
the
moment,
the
temporary
occupancy
is
going
to
be
rescinded
for
both
properties,
as
you
guys
both
know
now,
I'd
like
to
speak
with
you,
both
together
after
this
meeting
okay
and
we
can
see
if
there's
any
other,
further
options
going
up
from
the
speaking
with
City
management,
okay,
okay,
anything
else,
no
I
think
we
need
to
re-vote
on
permit
number
one
to
allow
the
extension.
F
F
Yes,
that
way,
you
wouldn't
have
to
pay
another
hundred
dollars
to.
You
know
reapply
for
another
board
case,
so
you
yeah
so
you're
true.
Yes,
so
so
it
sounds
like.
Is
it
Harding
right
right?
Harding
would
like
to
continue
their
case.
A
A
F
Yes,
okay
and
wrong:
no,
no
yeah.
F
F
A
With
that
do
I
hear
a
motion
to
adjourn
motion.