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B
Okay,
everybody
ready
welcome
to
the
March
historic
preservation,
Commission
meeting.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
My
name
is
Sarah
Jordan
and
I
am
the
acting
chair
of
the
historic
preservation,
commission
and
I've?
Never
done
this
before
so
bear
with
me
typical
of
hpu.
We
have
an
extremely
full
agenda
today
and
it's
my
goal
to
get
everybody
out
of
here
timely.
As
a
reminder,
please
limit
individual
conversations
during
the
meeting.
This
ensures
commission
members
and
applicants
can
hear
one
another,
so
please
remain
quiet
until
you're
called
upon
when
you
speak
at
the
podium.
B
Please
remember
to
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
before
the
commission
votes
on
each
item.
I'll
ask
any
members
of
the
public
if
they
wish
to
speak.
Speakers
are
given
three
minutes
to
relay
information
to
commission
members,
so
please
be
thorough
and
mindful
of
time,
the
agenda
and
documents
for
today's
meeting
are
located
on
the
primegev
site.
B
If
you're
following
online
select
agenda
on
the
right
side
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
meeting
to
see
the
items
being
discussed,
written
comments
received
more
than
24
hours
before
today's
meeting
are
posted
online
and
they've
been
shared
with
commission
members.
At
this
point,
new
materials
may
not
be
shared
with
the
commission.
So
if
you've
brought
handouts,
examples
Etc
with
you,
please
keep
them
at
your
seat
as
we
cannot
accept
them
to
review
Keith.
Would
you
please
call
roll
first.
F
G
B
Let's
see
there,
there
are
procedures
for
today's
meeting
noted
in
the
agenda.
If
you're
unfamiliar
with
the
process,
please
refer
to
the
procedures
section.
There
are
two
items
we
like
to
note
specifically
regarding
the
meeting
process
and
they
evolve
Cas
and
appeals
regarding
the
certificates
of
appropriateness
after
an
application
is
approved
and
the
10-day
protest
period
has
expired,
the
HP
officer
will
email
will
eat,
will
mail
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
the
applicant
City
Construction
permits
cannot
be
issued
until
the
ca
is
issued.
B
Please
contact
HP
staff
for
final
design,
review
inspection
or
to
withdraw
items
that
will
not
be
completed
regarding
the
appeal
to
board
of
adjustments,
any
person
aggrieved
by
a
decision
granting
or
denying
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
May
appeal
to
the
Oklahoma
City
Board
of
adjustments.
All
appeals
shall
be
made
within
10
days
of
the
commission's
decision
by
filing
a
written
notice
of
appeal
with
the
clerk
of
the
board
of
adjustments.
I
I
We
have
a
number
of
typos
here,
folks,
sorry
on
that
little
section,
and
then
we
have
commission
committee
training
on
March
24th
8
to
12
at
the
new
convention
center
and
then
I
also
just
wanted
to
welcome
our
new
commission
member
Caitlin
Whitley
joining
us
this
month
and
we
we
goofed
and
we
put
that
Sarah
Was
An
Architect
and
that
Caitlyn
was
not
but
Katelyn's
an
architect
and
she's
a
resident
of
Shepard
so
glad
to
have
you
on
board
I.
I
I
No
and
I
think
we
can
just
you:
don't
have
to
motion
to
move
that
one
to
to
move
it
on
the
agenda.
Just
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we'll
announce
that
and
you
guys
can
take
a
vote
to
go
ahead
and
continue
that
item.
Okay,.
A
A
I
I
A
B
I
B
So
moving
on
to
cases
for
individual
consideration
to
have
a
very
large
agenda
today,
so
first
up,
we've
got
hpca
20-00181
at
104,
Northwest
20th
Street
in
Heritage
Hills.
This.
I
Is
located
in
Ward's,
Heritage,
Hills
East
Ward
6.
consideration
a
possible
action
on
application
by
Colton,
actually
for
Tim
Morton
Trillium
Holdings
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
12,
revised
items
for
replace
sidewalks
elective
five
installed,
driveway
and
parking
elective
nine
revised
item,
one
construct,
Edition
required
and
11
repair
windows
in
kind
required.
This
is
an
application.
The
commission
has
seen
twice
already
in
recent
months,
based
on
discussion
at
last
month's
meeting.
I
They
provided
revised
documentation
of
kind
of
the
current
condition
of
everything
and
the
current
proposal
for
completing
the
project
that
is
currently
under
construction
staff
did
recommend
approval
of
the
sidewalks
and
driveway,
and
the
repair
of
the
windows
staff
also
recommended
approval
of
the
construction
of
the
addition,
with
unique
circumstances
addressing
the
size
based
on
discussion
at
last
month's
meeting.
It
seemed
that
the
commission
was
comfortable
with
the
increase
in
size
of
the
addition
as
as
proposed,
so
we
did
make
that
recommendation.
B
B
I
I
think
we
may
not
have
gotten
those
out
to
the
applicant
this
time
around.
Do
either
of
you
have
a
copy
of
actually.
K
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
it
really
quickly,
because
I
think
it's
important
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
on
the
right
project
of
so
this
is
from
Heritage
Hills.
The
neighborhood
supports
the
restoration
of
the
original
wooden
double-hung
windows
and
new
driveway.
The
rest
of
the
project
is
a
challenge.
A
specific
design
was
approved,
and
then
the
applicant
built
something
different
and
larger.
This
is
one
of
the
most
egregious
cases
that
ignoring
the
historic
preservations
commission's
directives
we
have
seen
in
recent
years.
K
The
applicant
appears
to
think
that,
because
they
have
done
so
much
work
in
remediation
would
be
so
expensive.
This
constitutes
a
special
exception
from
the
rule
it
does
not
intentional
violation
of
the
ordinance
is
not
a
unique
circumstance.
It
is
Defiance
of
the
rule
of
law
and
the
authority
of
the
historic
preservation
commission.
The
neighborhood
believes
that
the
most
historically
correct
windows,
wooden
double
hung,
Windows
of
size,
similar
to
the
original
house
and
a
wooden
back
door,
would
greatly
help
the
design.
However,
the
square
footage
also
needs
to
match
what
is
permitted
in
the
ordinance.
K
The
neighborhood's
primary
consideration
is
the
Integrity
of
the
historic
preservation
ordinance.
This
case
needs
to
be
considered.
In
that
light,
what
is
done
for
one
should
be
done
for
others.
Do
we
really
want
to
go
down
the
road
of
approving
clear
violations
of
the
ordinance?
Does
it
not
send
the
message
that
it
is
better
to
ask
forgiveness
than
ask
permission?
We
ask
that
this
case
be
considered
carefully
in
terms
of
the
precedent
sets
and
so
just
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
where
this
came
from.
K
D
I
guess
I
am
you
know
in
some
sort
asking
for
forgiveness
and
also,
you
know,
like
I
kind
of
stated
in
my
scope
of
work
and
everything
else
that
it
is.
You
know
the
the
portion
of
Heritage
Hills
it's
in
is
you
know
it's
a
lot,
the
smaller
homes,
if
we
all
know
the
the
cost
and
everything
that
goes
into
the
upkeep
of
these
historic
homes,
I
still
think.
It's
also
important
that
we
provide
a
space.
D
A
So
what
I
remember
from
the
last
meeting
is
you
know
we
were
looking
at
it
and
kind
of
compared
to
what
was
previously
approved,
that
it
didn't
meet
the
standard
of
what
was
approved,
we
kind
of
said.
Let's,
maybe
you
should
think
about
it
as
a
clean
slate,
a
new
proposal
which
it
kind
of
seems
like
that's
what
you've
provided
and
it
seems
like
staff,
seems
to
think
that
there
is
the
potential
for
a
unique
circumstance
for
the
site.
D
And
we
did
present
it,
you
know
kind
of
as
a
new
proposal
and
I
kind
of
I
want
to.
You
know,
look
at
this
from
the
light
of
it's
not
already
built
we're
not
asking
for
forgiveness.
If,
if
we
were
to
look
at
it
like
that,
you
know
I
think
with
this
the
minute
amount
that's
over
we're
still
making
our
lock
coverage
guidelines.
Everything
else
is
within
guidelines,
except
for
that
additional
90
square
feet
that
is
on
the
building
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
that's.
D
It
should
be
an
acceptable
exception,
especially
given
you
know
it's
up
to
given
the
size
of
the
original
home.
If
we
had
a
you
know,
maybe
a
12
1500
square
foot
home
to
start
with
yeah
100.
We
don't
need
to
add
a
whole
lot
of
square
footage
to
it,
but
there's
not
too
many
people
nowadays
that
are
going
to
live
in
a
sub,
1500
square
foot,
home.
K
D
D
K
I
mean
when
I
saw
that
and
I
I
guess
then
that
kind
of
makes
me
be
concerned
for
the
total
project,
because
personally,
whether
and
I
asked
I
did
call
staff
and
asked
for
a
clarification
on
materials,
but,
and
then
I
did
some
research
on
that
type
of
material
and
I.
Don't
feel
like
that.
That
is
actually
a
material
that
that
should
be
used
on
siding.
It's
not
a
long-term.
It's
not
a
long-term
solution.
Everything
I've
read.
If
it
has
knots
it's
going
to
be
take
more
paint
over
time.
K
It's
going
to
cause
more,
you
know,
know
upkeep,
and
it's
just
not
going
to
have
the
life
I
feel
like
it's,
not
a
preservation,
oriented
material
when
all
of
the
materials
around
you
have
are
all
clear
wood,
and
so
that
that
kind
of
concerned
me
that
you
were
going
that
direction
plus,
then
we
don't
and
and
I.
Think
too
it's
a
financial
consideration
again.
So
I
feel
like
that.
D
Okay-
and
we
would
be
you
know-
willing
to
I-
know
that,
specifically
the
the
siding
itself,
we'd,
obviously
done
in
2020
I
believe
maybe
21.
It
was
right
in
the
middle
of
covid,
so
there
were
constraints
at
the
time
on
getting
certain
materials
and
things
of
that
nature
and
the
grand
scheme
of
things.
If
that
was
a
main
concern
for
the
the
neighborhood,
you
know
that's
something
that
we,
the
the
cost
that
would
go
into
its
negligible
versus
obviously
rebuilding
the
whole
whole
Edition.
So
that's
not
outside
of
the
question
for
sure.
E
M
Own
Podium
are
we
going
to
share
one
and
I
said
Marva
Ellard
1521,
North
chartel
I
am
the
newly
elected
president
of
Heritage
Hills,
and
if
that
scares
you
I'm
sorry
but
I've
been
doing
it
about
a
week
now.
So,
as
you
all
know,
the
Heritage
Hills
own
the
house
and
sold
it
to
the
current
owner,
so
we're
very
interested
in
what
happens
here.
It
sounds
like
all
of
us
have
talked
to
Katie
and
Angela
this
week
about
this
case,
so
we
do
want
a
good
outcome
on
this.
M
M
It's
just
it
doesn't
look
anything
like
the
other
bungalows
in
the
neighborhood
I,
and
it
would
be
a
compromise
that
we
would
like
to
offer
if
we
could
get
some
more
windows
in
that
addition
and
make
it
conform
better
to
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
Along
with
commissioner
meacham's
comment
about
the
siding
and
make
sure
that
all
the
materials
used
satisfy
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance
and
so
I,
don't
know
if
that's
doable,
I
know
they're
on
their
last
continuance.
M
B
First
of
all,
I
love
a
compromise
and
I'd
love
for
everybody
to
leave.
Happy
I
did
want
to
just
ask
I'm
sure
Heritage
Hills
is
aware
of
this
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
which
Windows
you're,
you
know
which
elevation
you're
referencing
not
having
enough
I
know
on
this
screen.
You
know
because
it's
wrapped
for
construction
I,
believe
there
are
two
windows
on
the
back
that
are
not
visible
here.
Correct.
D
Thank
you.
This
one
worked
or
not
yeah.
If
you
look
at
the
elevations
that
we
put
in
the
package
we
are,
we
did
propose
we're
going
to
add
actually
on
the
kitchen
side,
which
was
the
east
side,
yeah
yeah,
the
East
Side
there's
actually
going
to
be
another
window,
that's
added
there
to
the
rear,
Edition
and
then
there's
some
windows
on
the
other
side
as
well.
M
D
I
have
two
reasons
why
we
did
that,
one
being
where
I
was
kind
of
trying
to
mirror
the
front
of
it,
because
I
do
have
those
two
smaller
picture
windows
on
the
fireplace
side
and
also
that's
where
our
kitchen
is
going
to
be
located.
So
there
will
be
countertop
it'll,
be
you
know,
cabinets
below.
So
if
we
do
do
a
full
height,
sorry,
full
height
window,
obviously
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
place
cabinets
there.
Well.
M
B
I
Mean
I
think
that
staff
and
the
applicant
could
potentially
work
through
windows.
That
would
be
more
in
keeping
with
the
proportion
of
the
windows
that
are
on
the
remaining
structure,
we're
out
of
continuances.
So
that
would
be
something
you'd
have
to
approve,
as
a
condition
for
them
to
work
with
staff.
I
Now
we
do
have
the
ability,
when
something's
approved,
like
that
as
a
condition,
if
we
can't
come
to
an
agreement
between
the
applicant
and
staff
that
we
can
bring
that
back
again
as
kind
of
like
another
revision
almost,
but
if
the
applicant
is
amenable
to
that,
and
if
the
neighborhood
is
comfortable
with
that
being
something
that's
worked
through
at
the
staff
level.
I
think
that
we
could
make.
B
D
B
Okay,
so
what
do
we?
What
is
our
specific
ask
for
some
agreed
upon
conditions
that
would
satisfy
would
satisfy
everybody
for
this
application.
M
I
think
we
could
be
happy
with
staff
meeting
with
owner
and
we'd
like
to
see
it
before
it's
signed
off
on
just
to
see.
You
know
the
East
Elevation
is
the
one
that
I
noticed
the
most
right
now.
So
it
bothers
me
the
most
it
is
there.
A
west
elevation
I
didn't
want
to
go
prowling
around
without
you
there
so
I
didn't.
L
K
K
The
West
has
won
is
that
right,
the
West
is
actually
I
mean
if
you're
looking
at
the
floor
plan,
the
West
is
actually
has
one
window
and
so
I
mean
just
from
looking
at
the
floor
plan.
Most
Bungalows
would
have
two
windows
in
the
bedroom
and
the
other
would
be
the
ability
to
put
a
window
in
the
bathroom,
because
there
is
actually
a
wall
there
that
you
could
put
a
typical
that
you
know
a
typical
Bungalow
bathroom.
B
So
does
Staff
feel,
like
you
all,
have
a
a
working
knowledge
of
what
the
Commission
in
the
neighborhood
is
asking
for
in
terms
to
you
know
make
this
agreeable
to
everybody
I
think
so.
Okay
with
that
said,
well,
does
anybody
else
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this?
K
I
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
hpca
2000181
at
104
Northwest
20th,
with
the
now
we
have
to
find
B.
Let's
see
second
staff
report.
K
I
want
to
approve
everything:
okay,
so
I
approve
items,
item
12,
which
includes
four
and
five
with
the
specific
findings,
as
noted
by
the
staff
in
the
staff
report,
approve
item
11.,
which
is
repair
the
windows
in
kind
with
the
specific
findings,
as
noted
by
the
staff
in
the
staff
report
and
then
under
approving
item
nine
are
which
would
be
item
one
construct.
K
The
addition,
it
would
be
the
for
the
final
exterior
design
to
be
approved
or
to
go
to
staff
and
to
be
approved
after
additional
windows
and
changes
to
the
siding
material
are
are
accepted
by
the
owner
and
that
those
changes
are
sent
to
the
Heritage
Hills
Association.
For
a
final
approval.
Does
that
make
sense,
Katie
I.
K
Acquire
approval
but
that
we
would
also
we
would
also
include,
as
a
condition
that
Heritage
Hills
Heritage
Hills.
What's
your
the
name
of
your
thing?
Oh
actually
be
added
as
be
consulted,
I
won't
say
for
approval,
but
just
be
consulted
on
the
final
design.
Can
we
do
that.
I
L
K
H
B
B
I
Is
in
Word
six
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
Holly
Hunt
for
Sam
Gresham
architecture,
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
seven
revised
items,
number
one
construct,
duplexes
elective
and
two
expand
parking
lots
elective.
This
was
before
the
commission
previously
and
was
approved
to
construct
additional
duplexes
on
this
large
site.
I
They
have
revised
the
design
of
those
duplexes
and
in
Consulting
with
the
applicant
we
felt
like
it
was
a
bigger
change
than
we
could
just
sign
off
on
as
an
administrative
revision.
So
that
is
back
in
front
of
you
all
today
we
did
recommend
approval
of
the
revision
to
the
duplexes,
with
one
recommended
condition
that
they
that
you
consider
adding
some
fenestration
on
the
rear.
Elevations.
The
previous
approval
had
windows
on
the
rear
of
the
structures,
or
at
least
a
window,
and
right
now
the
back
wall
is
blank
at
the
Second
Story.
We
realized.
I
The
staff
report
left
that
out
staff's
main
concern
with
this
was
that
they
already
had
more
parking
than
was
required
by
code
for
the
structures
and
they're
proposing
to
you
know
further
expand
that,
and
while
we
appreciate
always
getting
as
many
cars
off
the
street
as
possible,
we
also
want
to
balance
that,
with
maintaining
some
open
space
and
some
green
space
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
would
say
our
our
recommendation
was
maybe
to
continue
that
or
consider
whether
that
was
really
a
necessary
expansion
of
the
proposed
concrete
and
I'm.
O
Hunt
Sam
Gresham
art
text
at
400,
Northwest,
23rd,
so
yeah
upon
some
research,
Sam
really
identified
that
one
one
bedrooms
work
better
and
are
that
there's
a
great
need
for
that
level
of
housing
so
as
well
as
just
the
feasibility
of
getting
materials
matching
the
same.
So
previously,
there
are
two
matching
buildings
and
one
different
duplex
that
had
two
bedrooms
and
now
they're
all
just
going
to
be
the
same
building
there
in
the
rear.
So
in
doing
so,
though,
We
Shrunk
the
building,
so
that
is
a
way
to
maintain
the
same
coverage.
O
It's
not
in
the
Green
Space
anyway,
and
this
is
due
to
not
only
the
lack
of
parking
in
the
area,
but
a
lot
of
these
one
bedrooms
will
be
shared
units
by
couples,
and
so,
even
though
we're
meeting
the
required
parking,
it
doesn't
necessarily
reflect
the
amount
of
cars
per
unit
that
that
likely
will
be
needed
so
and
and
Sam
does
a
lot
of
these
types
of
rental
properties
he's
very
familiar
with
these
kinds
of
problems
that
occur
after
the
fact
like,
for
example,
a
lack
of
parking.
O
So
but
again
since
we,
the
commission
had
approved
the
61
coverage
in
the
last
approval,
we
were
hoping
that
you
know
this
offset
no
net
change
to
the
lock
coverage
that
you
all
would
see
that
and
and
be
able
to
approve
that.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
My
main
question
is
regarding
I.
Just
want
to
get
clarity
here
on.
First
of
all,
how
many
proposed
parking
spots
you're,
adding
but
also
I,
believe
that
this?
What
you're
proposing
today
was
the
initial
proposal
that
we
were
not
comfortable
with
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
parking
right.
O
So
actually,
you
all
saw
the
revised
One
to
begin
with,
because
staff
had
brought
it
up
to
us
ahead
of
time,
so
we
actually
modified
it.
But
again,
Sam
just
is
really
concerned
about
this
parking
issue,
he's
afraid
people
will
pull
into
the
front
lot
park
on
it
on
the
grass
and
things
this
is.
This
is
these
are
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past.
So
even
though
the
that
area
on
the
alleyway
wall
won't
be
paved,
people
will
still
park
there.
If
the
need
is
there.
O
So
again,
it's
just
his
way
of
trying
to
get
in
front
of
a
problem,
but
yeah
reduction
in
the
sizes
of
the
buildings
allow
for
us
to
maintain
that
same
coverage.
So
we
were
really
hoping
that
that
would
be
okay.
The
amount
of
parking
that
was
added
was,
let
me
just
count
here.
There's
three
there,
three
five.
B
Five
you're
adding
five
spots:
okay,
so
in
your
conversations
with
staff
about
this,
when
you
were
initially
discussing
the
proposal,
I
guess
what
was
maybe
this
is
a
better
question
for
staff.
What
what
was
the
reasoning
behind
not
wanting
these
additional
five
spots,
the
overall
lot
coverage
or
because
we
felt
that
they
were
already
providing
adequate
parking
for
the
buildings.
I
I,
don't
know
if
I
remember
exactly,
but
because
it's
been
a
while,
since
we
saw
this
the
first
time
but
I
think
it
was
a
combination
of
them
being
able
to
meet
what
code
requires
them
to
provide
as
far
as
a
number
of
parking
spaces,
without
the
additional
parking
and
also
trying
to
get
just
the
lot
coverage.
The
you
know,
permeable
surface
number
down.
O
O
Our
property
line
is
like
halfway
into
the
front
yard,
so
there's
still
a
lot
of
Green
Space
being
maintained,
even
though
that
calculation
maybe
doesn't
reflect
that
there's
30
feet
of
yard
across
the
whole
150
foot
property,
that's
going
to
be
maintained
as
grass
and
again
these
these
parking
spaces
are
off
the
alleyway,
which
is
abetted
to
commercial,
highly
densely
commercial
area
of
Northwest
23rd
in
uptown.
So.
O
It
one
to
one
it
is
for
one
bedrooms
and
I
think
that
for
duplexes
they
sometimes
will
say
one
and
a
half
for
for
like
multiple
units,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
enough
units
to
qualify
for
that
one
and
a
half
calculation.
So.
O
I
could
probably
have
broken
that
down
better,
but
I
know
we
have.
Let's
see,
we've
got
two
units,
so
that's
so
there's
eight
units
and
then
two
of
course,
so
we've
got
14
units
and
the
amount
of
parking
is
written
on
here.
If
I
could
just
find
it.
Sorry.
O
Oh
here
it
is
at
the
bottom,
so
10
one
bedroom
units
for
two
bedroom
units
so
of
the
14
units.
There
are
actually
some
two
bedrooms
in
the
existing
front
buildings,
so
I
believe
18
would
be
required
and
we
have,
let's
see
two
four,
eight
twelve
fourteen.
Sixteen
Plus
we've
got
like
20.
What
is
this
I?
Think
26
is
what
I
just.
B
Counted
so
18
is
required
and
you
have
26.
so
eight
extra
eight
additional
parking
space.
Okay,
my
concern
is
not
over
the
actual
parking
because
I,
you
know,
I
I,
agree,
I
recognize
what
you're
saying,
especially
based
on
where
it
is
and
kind
of
the
problems
that
the
neighborhood's
already
seen.
Some
of
the
other.
B
O
And
I
guess
to
us:
it
was
more
about
lot
coverage,
and
so
that's
why
we
thought.
Well.
If
we're
going
to
reduce
the
coverage
of
the
buildings,
then
we
should
be
able
to
get
that
back
in
parking,
but
guys,
if
you
say
no,
it's
not
going
to
kill
us
like.
If
you
don't
want
the
five
extra
parking
spaces.
That's
okay
and
that'll,
be
okay!
Oh
and
I
was
going
to
mention
too
that
the
condition
for
the
windows
in
the
rear
I
spoke
with
Sam
about
it,
he's
happy
to
meet
that
condition.
A
So
I
think
for
me:
hey
I,
struggle
to
really
understand
the
functionality
of
how
the
flow
of
traffic
is
just
because
there's
so
much
dimensioning
over
what
the
site
plan
that
I'm.
Looking
at
and
I
appreciate
the
desire
to
create
smaller
units
to
provide
you
know
more
options
for
those
looking
to
live
within
the
neighborhood,
but
I
it
even
like
the
driveway
is
and
I
know
it's
insane.
But
it's
super
wide
to
me.
A
O
Gate
or
something
there,
there
is
a
fence,
that's
right,
so
the
rear
parking
is
also
for
guests
and
off
that
Alleyway
and
so
yeah
it.
The
privacy
fence,
is
on
the
you,
basically
pull
up
to
the
fence,
and
so
those
parking
spaces
are
open
to
the
galleyway
and
you'll
go
enter
their
skates
on
either
side
that
allow
you
into
the
space.
That'll
have
like
a
key
access,
or
maybe
a
punch
code
and
access,
Safety
and
Security
is
an
issue
in
this
area.
O
Again
we
are
butting
to
a
very,
very
busy
Uptown
district
and
I
would
also
point
out
that
this
is
a
very
unusual,
unique
site
being
that
it's
a
multi-family
site
traditionally,
historically,
it
always
has
been-
and
that's
really
rare
in
the
districts.
In
fact,
the
guidelines
really
don't
address
multi-family
unit
and
properties.
A
So
if
Safety
and
Security
is
an
issue,
is
that
what's
the
fencing
type
to
the
back,
it's
wood,
so
it's
I
mean
you're,
not
able
to
see
the
cars
parked
back
there
on
the
Alley,
which
to
me
is
also
even
a
concern.
I
would
not
really
probably
want
to
park
my
car
there,
where
I
couldn't
see
it.
I,
don't
know,
but.
O
Again,
people
spilling
over
from
that
commercial
parking.
You
know
that
Uptown
District,
just
so
you
know
it's
parking
exam,
so
people
on
the
properties
and
businesses
they
don't
even
have
to
provide
parking.
So
again,
this
is
this
becomes
an
issue
for
especially
another
multi-unit
property
that
abuts
it
to
for
people
to
park
in
on
their
property
and
and
do
it
illegally,
but.
B
L
K
So
I
see
that
you
know
it
doesn't
bother
me
because
I
I
hate
for
I
I
really
hate
for
projects
to
be
not
accommodating
to
other
people
that
live
in
the
area
and
have
more
people
fighting
for
for
spaces
at
night
to
park
on
the
street,
because
you're
also
competing
with
restaurants
and
stuff.
So
it
doesn't
bother
me
where
you've
put
those
and
that
there
is
a
trade-off
there
and
that
you
all
are
willing
to
do
the
windows.
So
that's
that's
my
position.
B
I'm
not
bothered
by
the
parking
at
all
honestly
I
think
it's
a
really
nice
looking
plan,
I,
just
just
kind
of
want
to
make
note
of
the
fact
that
I
struggle
with
the
notion
of
coming
and
asking
for
something
being
told,
no
getting
a
different
set
of
plans
approved
and
coming
back
and
asking
for
the
thing
that
you
were
denied.
It
feels
really
reminiscent
of
what
we
just
discussed
with
the
last
case,
so
I
just
kind
of
want
to
note
that
for
the
record
they
don't
have
a
problem.
There.
K
K
B
K
I
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
hpca
2200138
with
the
findings
from
the
staff
and
the
conditions
noted
by
staff
that
have
been
accepted
by
the
owner.
I
Okay,
just
to
confirm
that
includes
the
parking,
even
though
we
didn't
have
specific
findings
in
the
staff
report
for
the
parking
correct,
I'm.
Sorry
just
to
confirm
that
includes
the
parking,
even
though
the
staff
report
didn't
list
out
specific
findings
for
the
parking.
Yes.
K
That
includes
the
the
change
in
parking
from
the
last
submission
to
this.
B
I
This
is
a
commercial
property
in
Robinson
on
Robinson,
just
north
of
Northwest
23rd
Street.
This
is
a
sign
that
has
already
been
installed,
but
was
installed
without
the
appropriate
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
sign
permit.
So
it's
back
before
the
commission.
Today
we
have
recommended
a
continuance,
because
the
sign
does
not
appear
to
be
a
compatible
material
per
the
guidelines
and
also
is
a
roof
mounted
sign
which
the
guidelines
do
not
support.
Unless
there
is
historic
precedent
for
roof
mounted
signs
now.
Obviously,
there's
a
historic
sign
and
a
similar
configuration
down
the
block.
I
B
Any
members
of
the
public
who
want
to
speak
before
that,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
to
continue.
Would
you
like
to
continue
that
to
the
April
5th
meeting
staff.
I
B
Do
I
have
a
second
I'll.
Second
thought:
okay,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Poor
all
everybody
here
vote
in
Prime,
gov.
B
Not
showing
up
okay,
there
we
go
hbca22-00161
is
continued
to
the
May
3rd
meeting.
Thank
you.
So
now
we
are
up
to
hpca22-00166
at
2324
Northwest
26th
Street
in
Shepherd
historic
district
consideration.
I
And
possible
action
on
an
application
to
by
living
spaces
for
Anthony
carfang,
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
number
four
reconstruct
carport
elective.
The
commission
approved
several
other
items
related
to
this
application
previously,
including
the
demolition
of
the
carport,
but
has
continued
this
item
with
various
comments
and
suggestions
to
the
applicant
about
considering
other
locations
and
alternative
configurations
for
the
structure.
This
is
their
they're.
On
their
last
hearing,
they've
been
continued
twice
already,
so
the
commission
has
to
either
approve
or
deny
the
application.
I
At
this
time
we
have
not
received
any
new
information
from
the
applicant,
so
we
did
recommend
a
denial
with
prejudice.
That
means
that
they
could
not
return
with
the
same
application
as
presented
today
for
at
least
a
year.
They
could
come
back
at
any
time
with
a
new
application
for
a
different
proposal
related
to
this
work.
B
I
I
To
confirm,
commissioner
Whitley:
did
you
mean
to
vote
against
denying
it
okay?
It's
got
your
vote
wrong,
so
we'll
fix
that
in
a
minute.
I
Consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
behold,
Inc
for
Luke
and
Kristen
Revenant
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
one
demolished
garage,
elective
and
two
construct.
Two-Story
garage
elected
staff
did
recommend
approving
the
proposed
demolition
of
the
garage
based
on
information
from
the
applicant
on
both
the
garage
condition
and
previous
alterations
alternate
materials
that
have
been
installed
at
the
garage
over
time.
K
K
That
last
time
so-
and
so
this
is
from
their
notes
of
March
1st,
the
neighborhood
is
opposed
to
the
demolition
of
a
functional,
historic
garage
which
contributes
to
the
historic
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
rebuilding
a
two-story
garage
instead
of
a
one-story
garage
where
other
adjacent
properties
do
not
have.
Two-Story
garages
increases
the
visibility
of
the
new
structure
and
is
not
supported
in
the
ordinance
development
rules
on
adjacent
land
outside
the
district
are
irrelevant.
There
is
a
border
somewhere,
and
this
house
is
in
the
district.
K
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Meacham
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
get
some
clarity
from
you
in
the
neighborhood
comments.
It
describes
the
garage
as
a
functional,
historic
garage.
The
staff
report
notes
that
the
unique
circumstance
cited
well
excuse
me.
The
specific
finding
cited
is
that
the
condition
of
the
structure
makes
it
physically
impractical
to
rehabilitate
without
loss
of
all
or
nearly
all
fabric,
contributing
to
its
historic
Integrity,
so
I,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
get
your
professional
opinion
on
that
about
the
viability
of
salvaging
the
garage.
G
Sure
the
really
the
brick
is,
the
only
thing
that
is
left,
that
is
probably
original.
G
If
you
see
the
wood
siding
on
the
center
column
of
the
garages
and
on
either
side
of
the
garages
that
the
the
wood
structure
on
either
side
of
the
garage
doors,
that
is
there
to-
and
it's
probably
holding
up
the
brick
that
was
moving
so
that
that
was
added
on.
Of
course,
the
material
in
the
center
column
also
was
fiberboard,
which
is
not
a
well.
It's
not
a
good
material
for
this
condition
either.
I
think
there
is
another
image
that
one
here.
G
If
you
look
at
the
top
corner
of
the
window
right,
what's
that,
if
you're
looking
at
it
the
same
way,
I
am
on
the
top
left,
you
can
see
the
wood.
The
brick
is
moved
away
from
the
the
lintel,
the
top
of
it
and
on
the
side
that
the
wood
piece
that
I
mentioned
in
the
last
comment,
that
is
on
the
front
of
the
girl
of
the
facade
there.
Looking
on
the
left
side
of
that
above
there,
you
can
see
the
crack
two
in
that
siding
there.
G
That
brick
is
pushing
is
pulling
away
from
the
front
of
the
house
and,
as
you
see
on
the
pictures
that
are
further
back,
the
brick
doesn't
even
wrap
around
the
building
anymore.
I
believe
it
was
probably
added
on
to
the
garage
was
so
I,
don't
believe
the
roof
pitch
or
the,
and
certainly
the
siding
on
that
gabled
end
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
it
continues
where
the
wood
fences
beyond
the
brick.
That
is
a
fiberboard
siding.
G
That's
not
I,
can't
imagine
if
it
was
approved
if
it
was
if
it
was
done
at
a
time
that
HP
even
looked
at
such
things
so
to
redo,
to
work
to
rework
the
garage,
the
brick
would
come
down,
and
that
is
the
only
really
the
only
historic
part
of
the
garage
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
it's
I,
don't
know
that
that
it
is
in
any
other
way
a
contributing
element
to
the
history
or
the.
G
The
historic
value
of
the
house
or
the
structures,
but
there's
also
a
crack
through
this
lab-
it's
not
a
large
one
but
I
I-
imagine
it
would
go
it
would
get
bigger,
certainly
could
be
runs
through
the
slab.
In
the
last
picture
you
have
it
see
it
on
the
go
back,
one
more
picture:
nope,
no
I'm,
sorry,
the
one
that
had
the
garage
doors
in
it.
G
One
more
there
on
the
you
can
see
the
crack
in
the
dark,
where
the
light
concrete
meets
the
darker
concrete.
Just
what
did
that
be
south
of
the
Center
column.
A
For
me,
I'm
struggling
to
see
how
I
mean
we've
seen
garages
in
much
worse
conditions,
I
also
really
struggle
with
the
idea
of
approving
a
demolition
of
a
garage
without
even
knowing
what's
going
to
go
up,
because
we
don't
know
what
may
happen
in
the
time
between
so
I
mean
I,
just
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
demolishing
a
garage
without
even
knowing
what
maybe
could
maybe
a
provable
but
again
I'm
struggling
to
see
the
condition
in
which
this
garage
needs
to
be
demolished.
B
Yeah
can
staff
you
know
staff
obviously
agreed
with
the
applicant.
So
can
you
kind
of
walk
us
through
what
you
saw
that
deemed
this
structure,
not
salvageable.
I
I,
we
I
think
felt
that
this
was
kind
of
in
line
with
other
garages
that
we
have
seen
and
that
we
have
approved.
Demolition
of
our
criteria,
for
garages
are
different
than
for
a
primary
structure,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
an
imminent
threat.
That
is,
you
know,
can
only
be
alleviated
through
demolition.
It
can
be
that
it
is
infeasible
to
repair
without
the
loss
of
all
or
nearly
all
historic
fabric
which
we
felt
like.
I
That
was
what
they
articulated
that,
yes,
we
could
go
in
and
we
could
rebuild
it,
but
for
one
there's
a
lot
of
fabric
already-
that's
not
historic
anyway,
and
then
what
historic
fabric
does
remain,
would
likely
be
lost
and
would
have
to
be
replaced
if
it
were
to
be
repaired
and
essentially
be
rebuilt.
So
we
felt
like
it
was
in
line
with
that
Criterion
great.
B
I
agree
with
commissioner
porch
sentiment
that
you
know
we
just
had
one
of
these
recently
where
somebody,
a
demo,
had
been
approved
like
five
years
ago,
and
no
agreement
was
ever
reached
about
the
garage.
So
I
do
honestly
for
your
sake
and
your
client's
sake
would
not
really
support
a
demolition
without
some
pretty
clear
movement
towards
what
was
going
in
its
place.
A
L
B
I
Play
Devil's
Advocate
I
will
say
that,
even
if
you
approve
a
demolition
in
a
new
construction,
all
in
one
vote
there's
nothing
to
require
them
to
build
what
you
approve
so
once
they
have
the
demolition
approved.
An
applicant
can
do
that
and
never
build
the
garage
back.
I
know
it's
comforting
to
know
this
is
what
we're
approving
to
go
back
in
its
place,
but
we
can't
hold
them
to
that.
We
can't
hold
a
future
owner
to
that.
So
in
some
ways
it
it
doesn't
matter.
L
L
B
We
approve
the
demo
and
y'all
go
out
and
do
it
then
you
come
back
assuming
you
know,
whatever
you're
proposing
is
going
to
get
approved,
suddenly
I
mean
best
case.
You've
got
two
different
timelines,
because
your
demo
permit
expires
here
from
today
and
then
the
construction
permit
expires.
You
Year
from
next
month,
I.
G
B
L
G
I
agree:
I
agree
with
that,
then
what
is
we
are
not
discussing.
Then
the
proposed
two-story
garage.
B
I
A
L
B
So
sorry,
I
was
trying
to
find
the
specific
findings
staff
noted
so
that
you
could
be
aware
of
them.
So
for
the
continuation
of
the
garage
staff's
concerns
were
that,
let's
see,
let's
see
well,
additional
information
is
very
generic
cons,
so
I
think
the
sizes
of
concern
in
general.
The
footprint
is
larger
than
we
would
typically
allow,
and
the
lack
of
an
original
structure
that
would
support
replacing
it
with
a
two-story
is
of
particular
concern.
Okay,.
B
They've
also
got
some
notations
on
here
about
spacing
and
sizing
of
Window
and
Door
openings
wanting
solid
wood
doors
or
wood
doors
with
Metal
Frames
and
solid
wood,
pedestrian
doors.
L
K
G
This
picture
is
probably
a
good
picture
in
what
you
see.
What
is
the
house
behind
it?
I
know
you
say
that
it's
not
historic
preservation,
so
it
doesn't
matter,
but
it
matters
to
the
people
who
live
there
and
who
are
looking
back
in
the
yard.
That
is
the
I
guess.
What
is
it
unique
circumstances
here?
G
Are
that
it
it
backs
up
to
this
yard,
backs
up
to
the
side
yard
and
puts
the
primary
structure
a
two-story
structure,
which
is
a
duplex
again
not
in
historic
preservation,
but
puts
that
in
the
proximity
that
a
two-story
garage
would
be
had
it
been
a
traditional
lock
where
the
house
backs
up
the
distance
between
and
what
you
see
there
I
mean
from
the
pool,
I
mean
in
case
you
don't
know
what
I'm
talking
about
the
white
structure
there
with
the
black
windows
and
the
roof.
That
is
the
two-story
duplex.
G
F
G
Footprint,
I
believe
is
three
feet
wider
and
basically
it
was
the
stair
well
and
then
we
had
it
drawn
on
the
exterior,
and
then
we
incorporated
it
into
three.
G
G
Three
feet
wider:
where
the
door,
the
door
and
the
window
are
on
this
side
and
that
Gable
three
feet
toward
the
pool.
B
Okay,
just
was
a
pretty
recent
ca
for
I'm,
assuming
for
that
pool,
oh
nope,
that
was
not
for
the
pool.
G
G
It
changes
in
one
way
and
I
believe
that
it
is
marked
on
the
the
pool
when
it
was
approved
yeah.
So
this
artificial
turf
here
is
actually
it
is
artificial
turf,
but
it
is
on
a
porous
substrate
right.
It
is
on
a
decomposing
Granite,
so
it
does
absorb
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
part
of
the
the
ca
for
the
pool
or
not.
But
it
is
artificial
turf,
but
it
is
green.
G
Permeable
is
the
word.
I
was
looking
for.
Okay,
but
no,
we
do
not
change
the
coverage
and
I
do
not
see
a
coverage
percentage
in.
G
Well,
as
it
was
a
new
structure,
if
it
if
we
built
the
new
structure,
it
is
a
new
structure
and
of
course
those
are
certainly
more
conducive
to
bullying
in
and
out
of,
I
think
and
anyone
that
lives
in
historic
neighborhood
knows
what
an
eight
foot
wide
garage
door
does,
but
or
how
it's
difficult
it
is
for
in
and
out
but
I
don't
I
mean
if
we
wanted
two
garage
doors
there.
If
that
was
something
that
they
wanted,
then
I'm
sure
the
owners
would
be
fine
with
that.
B
Do
we
have
anything
in
the
staff
report?
Regarding
the
you
know,
two
single
garage
doors
versus
one
double
I
feel
like
that's
normally
noted
in
here
somewhere,
but.
B
I
Is
no
it's
a
it's
a
general
guideline
for
all
districts
and
let
me
scroll
and
find
it
at
Double
garages.
Two
single
garage
vehicle
doors
should
be
used
instead
of
one
larger
double
door.
This
will
maintain
the
scale
and
rhythm
of
older
structures,
making
a
two-car
garage
seem
smaller
and
more
compatible
with
the
primary
building
and
District
okay.
Thank
you.
Every.
B
Yeah
I
just
was
curious
what
the
I
thought
it
was
interesting.
It
wasn't
listed
as
one
of
the
findings,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
clarity
on
why
that
was.
G
G
G
B
Certainly,
a
Heritage
Hills
tools
to
have
two
garage
doors
versus
one
large
Bay,
but
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
main
issue
it
just
kind
of
flagged
something
for
me
that
it
wasn't
listed.
Do
we
have
any
members
of
the
public
who'd
like
to
speak
to
this.
M
Marva
elard
1521
North
Shartel
welcome
back.
Thank
you,
ladies.
How
did
you
manage
to
run
off
every
mail
on
the
commission?
I've
been
working
wondering
that
all
day
today
purposefully
you
did
a
good
job.
As
commissioner
poor
pump
pointed
out,
we
do
think
the
existing
one-story
garage
probably
deserves
a
longer
look
about
its
usefulness
for
the
future.
The
the
residents
are
parking
in
the
garage
now,
so
it
can't
be
I
mean
I
didn't
see
anything
that
looked
like
it
could
not
be
fixed.
M
G
I
have
another
statement,
the
or
just
something
of
note
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
there
are
neighbors
who
are
opposed
to
it,
but
there
are
neighbors
who
are
for
it
as
well.
I
the
neighbor
to
the
east,
a
picture
there,
the
stucco
house
there
went
through
a
recent
renovation
when
I
was
over
there
talking
to
the
owners
about
a
garage.
They
said
they
were
really
interested,
whether
this
would
go
because
they
wanted
to
put
one
in
themselves.
L
B
I
think
it
is
I
all
I
personally,
like
would
love
the
idea
of
a
big
new
two-story
garage
for
myself.
I
do
think
it's
in
conflict
with
the
guidelines,
though,
and
so
my
personal
opinion,
much
like
those
unsubmitted
opinions
doesn't
really
matter.
B
K
B
B
I
Okay
and
staff
has
their
contact
information
as
well.
If
you
want
to
reach
out
to
us,
if
you
can't
connect
with
them
after
the
meeting
and
just
to
clarify
for
people
who
aren't
familiar,
all
of
our
historic
districts
are
authorized
to
have
their
own
neighborhood
preservation
review
committees.
Some
are
much
more
active
than
others.
I
G
Sure
I
am
that
being
said,
I
know
they're
put
up
to
preserve
the
history
of
the
neighborhood
I
want
it
to
be
noted
that
I
too,
am
for
that
as
well.
I
think
I
put
up
many
projects
in
here
that
people
have
seen
that
I
have
I,
do
take
the
history
and
the
historic
value
of
it
seriously.
N
B
Anybody
have
a
motion
for
these
two
items.
Oh
actually
I,
guess
question
for
you.
We
we
kind
of
discussed
our
concerns
about
the
demolition
without
an
approval
for
the
garage.
It
also
creates
two
different
timelines
for
you.
So
do
you
you
know:
do
you
have
an
Ask
of
I
think
there
was
a
wreck?
Well,
I'd,
guess:
I,
don't
know
staff
recommended
approval,
but
it
seems.
A
G
N
I
And
possible
action
on
application
by
Holly,
Hunt,
Sam,
Gresham
architecture
for
Mary,
Ellen
Kilpatrick
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
one
constructing
garage
with
apartment
and
narrow,
covered
patio
elected.
This
was
on
the
commission's
agenda.
Previously,
it
was
continued
with
basically
no
discussion
because
the
applicant
was
not
able
to
attend.
I
The
meeting
staff
has
met
with
the
applicant
and
talked
about
the
staff
report,
recommendations
and
talked
about
some
possible
changes
to
the
design,
but
they
wanted
to
come
back
with
the
original
proposal
and
get
feedback
from
the
commission
before
making
any
further
revisions
to
the
design.
Staff's
main
concern
with
the
proposal
was
simply
the
the
massing
and
kind
of
the
proportions
of
the
roof
of
the
proposed
new
garage,
there's
dormers
on
Dormers
and
Gable
windows
on
multiple
sides.
That
gives
it
a
more
Grand
large
presence
on
this
corner
lot.
B
O
Hunt
same
Gresham,
Architects,
400,
Northwest,
23rd
Street.
Thank
you.
You
know,
I
I,
think
it's.
When
I
started
this
project,
we
all
looked
at
this
existing
garage
and
we're
just
like.
Oh
what
an
eyesore
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
commission
was
all
in
agreement
that
it
was
not
a
contributing
structure
as
well
as
not
a
historic
structure
which
you'll
read
that
in
the
staff
report
so
and
it
didn't
function,
I
mean
you
couldn't
park
your
car
there.
So
we
when
I,
began
work
on
the
new
design.
O
For
me,
it
was
more
about
matching
the
architecture
of
the
primary
structure
and
that's
actually
one
of
the
guidelines
it
and
it's
cited
in
the
staff
report
about
matching
the
the
size,
scale,
proportion,
materials,
height,
color
and
detail
to
the
primary
building.
So,
while
I
understand
the
concerns
about
the
roof,
I've
just
matched
the
roof
pitch
of
the
existing
primary
structure,
the
home
and
so
I
wouldn't
call
the
the
roof.
It
doesn't
actually
have
any
Dormers.
What
it
has
is
just
Gable
ends
similar
to
the
configuration
of
the
main
house.
O
So
and
it's
it's
not
a
hip
roof.
It's
a
Gable,
end,
roof
and
so
I've,
matched
that
in
the
proposed
design
and
yeah,
that's
a
great
great
picture
of
it,
and
so
as
well
as
the
size
I
want
to
make
it
really
clear
that
we
just
met
well
we're
just
under
the
450
square
foot
for
a
two-story
or
two
car
garage,
so
that
is
allowed
for
the
increase
in
sizes,
mainly
the
apartment,
and
that,
like
Katie
said,
is,
has
more
to
do
with
like
reconfiguring
it.
O
But
we've
gone
back
and
with
the
garage
in
the
exact
same
place,
you
can
see
if
you
compare
the
existing
and
proposed
site
plans,
it's
it
really
tells
the
story
of
how
we
are
matching
that
configuration
and
layout
of
the
historic
property,
but
just
did
increase
that
apartment
and
by
four
feet
toward
the
the
main
house,
and
so
I
just
wanted
that
to
be
really
really
clear,
like
we
are
not
exceeding
the
allowable
450
square
feet
for
garage,
but
the
apartment
did
increase
slightly
in
size.
This
will.
O
The
apartment
isn't
really
important
to
the
homeowners,
because
Brian's
father
recently
had
a
stroke
and
he
will
be
taking
up
residence
with
them.
So
size
was
important
to
make
sure
that
he
could
get
in
there
and
move
around,
as
well
as
the
double
doors
allow
for
furniture
and
larger
types
of
furniture
to
and
and
Wheelchairs,
and
things
like
that
to
be
utilized
in
the
apartment.
So
I
I
definitely
think
that
we
could
maybe
reduce
some
of
the
the
roof.
O
But
I
would
suggest
that
you
see
it
as
complementing
that
primary
structure
and
to
modify
that
too
much
I
think
takes
away
from
the
architectural
Integrity
of
the
property,
rather
than
has
any
benefit,
as
well
as
the
the
real
purpose
of
doing
a
half
story
up.
There,
too
is
for
just
additional
attic
storage
so
that
the
the
windows
really
just
provide
much
needed
natural
light
into
that
attic
space
and
because,
even
though
the
450
square
feet
we
we
know
all
part.
O
B
B
O
O
A
little
over
19
feet,
it's
like
19
foot,
eight
I
believe
it
is
yeah
I,
think
that's
what
we
came
up
with
19a
and
again
that
also
matches
the
height
of
the
main
structures
roof,
and
so
it's
elevated
like
two
feet
with
the
crawl
space
below,
and
so
we
just
match
that
roof
line
again,
to
have
some
real
cohesiveness
between
the
two
structures.
O
O
No,
no
because
we
don't
have
a
stair,
there's,
no
really
room
to
do.
One
and
you'll
see
in
the
floor
plan
we're
going
to
just
do
a
pull
down.
Attic
stair
out
of
the
garage
I
mean
this
is
their
only
storage
for
the
whole
Space,
since
we
know
that
that
apartment
will
not
be
used
as
storage
it'll
actually
be
used
for
a
guest.
A
I,
don't
think
I
was
here
for
the
first
round
of
for
I
guess
for
the
demolition
approval.
Maybe
so
this
first
time
I'm
seeing
it
but
I
don't
have
any
heartburn
with
the
way
it
looks
compared
to
especially
compared
to
the
first.
What
was
existing.
It
was
horrible.
It
does
seem
to
be
compatible
the
design
to
the
residents,
so
I
don't
see
really
any
heartburn
that
it
provides
any.
It
doesn't
provide
any
heartburn
to
me,
but.
B
Can
staff
speak
to
the
height
I'd,
also
just
like
to
make
sure
we're
fully
understanding
what
the
recommendations
are
with
regard
to
a
one
and
a
half
story:
garage
versus
a
two-story
or
a
one
story,
because
I
remember
this
coming
up
in
the
sort
of
recent
past
that
we
had
one.
That
was
a
one
story
and
somebody
was
trying
to
replace
it
with
a
one
and
a
half
story,
I
believe
in
mesta
park.
It
might
have
been
yours,
I,
think,
on
Dewey
and
17th
Maybe.
J
Fallon
so.
I
So
the
guidelines
talk
about
in
places
where
a
two-story
garage
would
not
be
allowed,
but
it
may
be
appropriate
to
construct
a
one
and
a
half
story,
garage
and
I'm-
not
finding
the
guideline
right
at
this
moment,
but
essentially
that
it's
still
in
keeping
with
the
massing
and
proportion
and
character
of
other
surrounding
one-story
garages
and
I
do
think
this
one
does
a
nice
job
at
that.
I
More,
what
we
would
want
to
see
with
a
one
and
a
half-
and
we
did
talk
with
with
Holly
previously
about
the
the
effort
to
align
the
roof
with
the
historic
house
a
lot
of
times
our
garages
are
shorter
than
the
house,
because
it's
serving
a
different
function.
It's
you
know
at
grade.
It's
not
raised
up
a
couple
of
steps
for
a
porch
so
that
if
the
commission
felt
like
well,
maybe
it's
a
little
on
the
tall
side.
That
would
be
one
thing
to
think
about,
but.
B
I'm
not
offended
by
the
height
or
the
design.
Personally,
it
does
seem
like
we
are
missing
some
additional.
There
is
some
additional
information
that
staff
is
asking
for
light
fixtures,
Getters,
downspouts,
mechanical
equipment,
overhead
doors.
O
Yeah
and
to
address
that
the
only
thing
that
I
really
think
probably
is
missing
from
this
was
those
are
recess
panels
on
the
garage,
so
yeah
we're
really
trying
to
emulate
the
look
of
a
historic
garage
with
two
separate
single
doors.
Recessed
panels,
you
know,
painted
wood
veneer,
all
those
things
and
I'm
happy
to
work
with
staff
on
any
additional
documents,
I
think
from
this
after
we
met
and
I
missed
the
last
month's
meeting,
I
got
them
some
Window
and
Door
brochures,
I
hadn't
really
considered
downspouts
yet
but
I
mean
that's
something.
I
I
Had
as
as
we
kind
of
introduced,
we
were
concerned
that
the
the
massing,
the
the
form
of
it
was
more
High
style
is
probably
too
much,
but
that
was
more
kind
of
prominent
on
this
corner
location
than
the
existing,
very
modest
garage
that
it
was.
You
know,
expanding
Beyond,
an
existing
garage
that
we
have
documentation
for
I
do
think
this
was
discussed.
There
was,
and
is
this
noted
in
the
staff
report.
I
This
garage
is
not
present
on
the
1955
Sanborn
map,
so
as
opposed
to
a
garage
that
was
built
contemporary
to
the
house,
we
perhaps
have
less
concern
about
matching
approximating
the
existing
Garage
in
this
case,
but
that
was
what
we
were
looking
at.
Is
we
have
an
existing
garage?
How
close
are
we
getting
to
what
that
existing
form
and
proportion
is
as
well
as
just
looking
around
at
the
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
surrounding
kind
of
very
modest,
very
small
garages,
but.
B
I
Consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
Brian
Wilkerson
next
phase
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
four
install
new
Railing
at
Side,
Porch,
elective
and
five
install
vent
at
chimney
elective.
This
is
a
porch
where
a
portion
of
the
porch
has
a
roof.
A
portion
of
it
does
not.
The
portion
without
a
roof
does
not
have
a
railing.
We
don't
know
whether
it
historically
did
not
have
a
railing
or
whether
that
railing
was
lost
to
the
elements
over
time.
I
The
existing
railing
on
the
covered
portion
of
the
porch
is
not
the
original
railing,
so
the
applicant
proposes
to
install
new
railing,
including
on
the
portion
where
there
is
currently
not
a
railing.
The
height
of
the
porch
above
grade
appears
to
Warrant
a
railing
for
safety
reasons
and
the
guidelines
to
support
you
know
installing
new
features
that
are
compatible
with
the
existing
structure.
I
When
we
don't
know
what
was
there
historically,
we
did
recommend
approval
for
that
staff
recommended
continuance
on
the
installation
of
the
vent
at
the
chimney,
and
that's
largely
due
to
just
concern
about
ensuring
that
we
have
really
detailed
documentation
of
how
that
would
be
installed
and
that
the
that
the
masonry
would
be
protected
and
would
be
maintained
and
just
that
all
of
the
the
work
that
goes
into
installing
a
new
feature
within
a
brick
chimney
is
done
correctly
and
that
we
know
what
that's
going
to
look
like.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you,
hello.
Welcome,
please,
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
B
R
R
R
R
B
Was
staff's
only
concerned
safety
I
mean
I
know
we
mentioned
preservation
of
the
historic
brick
but
I'm
assuming
if
it's
a
license
fireplace
company
who's,
doing
the
installation.
That's
probably
already
something
they're
aware
of.
R
I
K
R
L
R
R
K
I
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
hpca
2300011
at
808
Northwest
17th,
with
the
specific
findings,
as
noted
by
the
staff
and
the
staff
report,
and
the
unique
circumstances
for
the
railing
and
the
for
the
applicant
to
provide
a
some
some
additional
information
to
staff.
It
could
be
something
from
maybe
photographs
from
the
installer
showing
similar
or
showing
event
through
brick.
So
we
could
have
that
and
so
I
think
for
us.
It's
like,
if
somebody
is
reviewing,
did
the
work
get
done,
that
it
will
look
like
that
picture.
H
Whitney,
yay
or
nay,.
I
This
is
consideration
and
possible
action
on
application
by
Mike
Patterson
amp
Studio
LLC
for
David
Howell
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
too
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
12
items,
but
they
are
constructing
a
deck
at
the
rear
of
the
house
and
then
making
a
number
of
other
improvements
to
the
backyard,
including
pool
trellis
swimming
pool
slide.
Etc
staff
did
recommend
approval
of
all
items,
although
a
number
of
considerations
and
conditions
were
included.
I
Similarly,
staff
was
concerned
that
the
railing
material
at
the
proposed
deck,
which
is
also
that
that
metal
product
was
not
compatible
with
the
historic
structure
and
that
recommended
a
condition
that
an
alternate
material
be
proposed
for
that
and
then,
finally,
just
confirming
documentation
of
the
height
of
the
pergola
above
not
just
from
grade.
But
from
the
finished
floor
height
of
the
house,
because
we
have
guidelines
specifically
addressing
that
and
the
relationship
between
the
pergola
and
the
primary
structure.
B
B
H
N
H
I
disagree
with
this
app
that
it's
a
chain
link
product
chain
link
is
usually
a
thicker
gauge
metal.
That's
galvanized
and
very
slightly
internet
correspondence.
I
took
some
pictures
of
the
Bradford
House,
which
uses
the
same
stainless
steel,
metal
mesh.
H
That's
clamped
together,
not
interrogant,
as
described
in
the
guidelines
and
the
material
select,
because
it's
great
for
a
trellis,
so
that
way,
ivy
can
climb
up
that
trellis
material
and
then
it's
also
very
transparent,
which
is
what
I
tried
to
demonstrate
with
the
photos
of
the
Bradford
house
project
and
then,
concerning
that
guard
rail.
H
We
want
to
use
that
same
material
there,
because
that's
a
very
transparent
material
and
the
with
the
pool
around
an
elevated
deck,
and
so
I
did
a
sight
line
study
that,
if
somebody's
standing
at
the
grill
on
top
of
the
deck
looking
at
the
fool,
they
can
only
see
the
back
four
feet
over
the
top
of
the
rail.
So
it's
important
to
us
to
have
the
material
is
very
transparent,
so
you
can
see
the
whole
surface
of
the
pool.
H
B
Yeah
I
can
personally
definitely
see
the
difference.
I
mean
one
problem.
Is
the
Bradford
House
Is
Not
it
it's
not
under
our
purview
sure,
so
you
know
using
it
as
a
precedent.
Certainly
a
good
example.
B
I
Etc,
so
let
me
see
if
we've
got
language
here
so
I
would
say:
we've
got
two
different
concerns.
One
is
the
trellis
at
the
rear
and
using
this
product
as
a
screen
wall
with
the
Landscaping
on
it,
I
think
on
that
piece
for
staff.
It
was
really
a
technical
evaluation
of
we
have
these
guidelines
about
fencing.
This
is
something
that
the
location
of
it,
the
use
of
it,
the
function
of
it.
We
would
consider
it
a
rear
fence
and
the
guidelines
say
these
are
the
heights.
I
These
are
the
materials
that
are
allowed
for
a
rear
fence.
So
now
those
guidelines
for
fencing
are
for
an
administrative
approval.
The
commission
can
approve
fencing
at
the
commission
level
that
doesn't
meet
those
guidelines.
If
you
feel
that
it's
appropriate
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
so
certainly
using
that
product
as
a
trellis
to
grow
Landscaping,
you
know
at
the
rear
yard
the
applicant
did
bring
it
down
to
eight
feet
in
height
after
initially
proposing
a
taller
height,
which
is
consistent
with
what
we
typically
allow
for
a
rear
fence
for
the
porch
railing.
I
We
always
look
at
back,
porches
back
decks
additions
and
we
want
those
materials
to
be
consistent
and
compatible
with
the
historic
structure.
So
we
didn't
feel
that
that
material
met
met
those
criteria.
You
would
not
have
seen
a
modern
metal
product
like
this
on
a
railing
on
a
porch
or
a
deck
on
a
historic
structure.
I
think
there
are
other
more
traditional
products
out
there,
as
you
can
see.
Oh
sorry,
I'm
still
showing
the
screen
guys
I
should
have
flipped
back
over
to.
I
Let
me
find
the
so
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
in
the
image
at
the
Bradford.
Those
are
a
traditional
kind
of
picket
style,
porch
railing
that
you
can
see
through
quite
well
and
something
like
that
might
be
more
in
keeping
with
a
back
deck,
Edition,
so
kind
of
two
different
lines
of
of
thought
on
the
use
of
that
product.
B
Q
Actually,
on
this
I
left,
I
left
it
as
an
approval
for
you
all,
but
it's
there
were
some
questions
about
the
lot
coverage
since
they
did
change
some
of
it
to
semi-permeable,
so
it
was
I
was
wanting
it
to
leave
it
to
you
all
to
decide
what
was
appropriate
here,
whether
or
not
it
would
increase
it
by
that
much.
My
calculations
were
58
up
to
about
64
to
70
percent.
Currently.
B
I
I
Like
that,
that's
not
what's
the
house
the
pool,
so
the
pool
is
considered
impermeable
because
even
though
it
is
holding
water,
it's
a
it's
a
hard
surface
that
once
the
pool
is
full
it's
going
to
overflow
and
it's
going
to
flood.
So
is.
L
B
Of
items,
but
is
there
any
you
know
organic
green
matter
in
this
backyard
at
all.
H
B
I
struggle
with
that
I
think
it
I
think
that
historically,
particularly
in
master
Park
in
Heritage,
Hills
and
I'm,
like
beating
a
dead
horse
with
us
every
month,
so
I
apologize
to
those
of
you
who
hear
it
on
repeat
trees
were
a
historic
feature
of
these
neighborhoods.
There
were
specific
tree
campaigns
to
create.
You
know
this
very
desirable
neighborhood
with
these
sidewalks
and
these
canopies
I
realize
this
is
in
the
backyard.
B
But
the
tree
campaigns
were
not
specific
to
you
know,
to
medians
or
to
front
yards
or
to
Parks
I
struggle
with
proposals
that
eliminate
all
organic
growing,
green
matter
in
a
yard
and
I.
Think
I
don't
actually
have
just
a
huge
problem
with
the
use
of
the
screening
in
the
mesh
in
general,
in
some
capacity,
but
I
think
when
looking
at
the
proposed
view
of
the
new
patio
and
swimming
pool,
it's
hard
to
reconcile
that
this
is
a
historic
lot.
B
It's
nice
don't
get
me
wrong.
It's
nice
yeah.
Q
It's
partially
the
artificial
turf,
but
it's
also
the
inclusion
of
the
pavers
so
they're
replacing
the
existing
driveway
and
Patio
area
with
new
pavement,
but
a
large
section
of
it
will
be
pavers,
so
they're
going
to
reduce
block
coverage.
B
Q
B
B
A
H
H
Those
two
those
those
will
be
in
the
pool,
maybe.
B
K
K
H
H
H
K
I
think
the
next
one
was
the
pergola
structure.
Do
you
want
to
just
you'll
just
respond
to
the
comments
from
staff
on
height
and
maybe
Katie
can
clarify.
I
Yeah
so
I
think
we
had
the
height
for
the
the
total
height
for
the
pergola
structure,
but
not
a
height.
There's
a
guideline
specifically
about
the
height
of
the
top
of
the
pergola
above
the
finished
floor
height
of
the
house,
and
that
wasn't
labeled.
We
might
be
able
to
do
some
math
and
get
there,
but
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
that
that
Dimension,
okay.
H
K
H
K
I
mean
if
Katie,
if
the
purple
was
in
the
it
was
in
the
backyard,
and
there
was
a
there-
was
a
two
foot
Foundation.
It
would
still
be
only
eight
feet,
high
correct
right
yeah.
So
if
it
was
sitting
in
the
backyard
and
the
foundation
was
two
feet
up,
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
pergola
could
be
two
feet
higher.
I
The
the
bottom
of
the
canopy
of
the
pergola
shall
not
exceed
eight
feet
above
the
finished
floor.
Height
of
the
structure
to
which
it
relates,
and
the
overall
height
of
the
pergola
should
not
exceed
nine
feet
and
be
compatible
with
the
building
to
which
it
relates
in
proportion,
size,
scale
and
material.
I
Now,
again,
that's
an
administrative
approval
guideline,
so
the
commission,
could
you
know,
even
if
we
didn't
have
that
number
and
the
commission
looked
at
the
design
of
what
was
proposed
and
felt
that
it
was
compatible
with
the
building
in
proportion
size
scale
material
than
you
know.
The
commission
has
the
ability
to
approve
that.
K
H
H
I
So
yeah
I
think
I
mean
it
would
be
great
to
make
sure
we
have
that
dimension
on
record,
but
I
think
that
you're
well
below
meaning
that
that
requirement.
Okay.
L
B
Just
and
I
apologize
to
Joe
for
doing
this
can
I
ask
a
question
while
we're
talking
about
height
I,
just
am
noticing
an
inconsistency
here
in
the
report
about
the
height
of
the
trellis.
Is
it
proposed
to
eight
feet
or
ten.
B
B
It
because
in
these
just
Katie
and
Angela
it's
the
agreed
upon
conditions,
are
still
referencing
a
10
foot
and
are
not
making
a
note
for
the
height.
If
we
even
get
that
far.
But
I
just
noticed
it
and
didn't
want
to
forget
no.
B
All
right
moving
on
to
item,
let's
see,
we've
gone
through
one
and
two,
the
pool
and
hot
tub
with
concrete
deck.
B
F
B
Okay,
seemingly
no
any
comments
on
the
turf.
B
I
B
I
I
think
holistically.
I
agree
with
that
sentiment
entirely
regarding
the
turf
I
do
think
like
one
of
my
biggest
pieces
of
feedback,
while
I
certainly
understand
why
it's
so
desirable
next
to
water,
I
think
it
eliminate
like
if
you
really
want
the
pool
and
you
really
want
the
deck
and
you
really
want
the
hot
tub
and
all
of
that
there
are
very
few
options
to
add
some
green
space
back
in
and
that's
one
of
them.
Okay,.
L
B
K
H
H
Another
thing
that
we
have
to
consider
is
that
they're,
during
the
winter
time,
they'll
have
a
pool
cover
that
needs
anchors
and
so
the
turf
on
the
pool
we'll
need
to
have
concrete
below
it,
and
so
we're
offsetting
that
concrete
by
putting
Turf
over
it.
So
it's
not
such
a
hard
surface
up
to
the
pool
deck.
B
H
H
I
So,
and
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
what
my
understanding
was
is
that
that
you
have
going
along
the
top
and
the
right
side
of
the
pool
are
concrete
pavers
with
stones
in
between
in
the
gaps
in
between
the
pavers
and
then
above
that
and
surrounding
the
right
and
bottom
corner
of
the
deck.
The
the
dotted
pattern
was
the
artificial
turf
so.
I
Arrow
that
you
can
like
I,
don't
because
it's
all
touch
screen
yeah.
It
won't,
let
me
and
then
below
the
pool
toward
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
where
that
kind
of
dotted
pattern
is
again
and
then
along.
The
side
of
the
garage
was
also
artificial,
turf.
I
B
B
And
then
the
rest
of
the
turf
is
up
there,
I
think
in
this
picture.
What
I
was
referencing
is
that
the
terp
is
not
abutting.
The
pool
I
understand
where
it
is
there,
but
up
at
the
top
right
of
this
screen,
the
turf
is
not
abutting
the
apron
surrounding
the
pool
and
therefore
there
would
be
no
real
reason
why
it
could
not
be
some
sort
of
naturally
occurring
component.
Okay,.
B
B
So
staff
has
recommended
approval
for
this
slide,
even
though
it's
11
feet
tall.
Is
that
correct?
So.
I
Yes,
our
guidelines
talk
about
various
things
specifically,
including
swimming
pool,
slides,
not
requiring
review
unless
a
permit
is
required.
I,
don't
know
whether
or
not
you've
assessed
whether
you
need
a
building
permit
for
the
swimming
pool
slide,
but
we
kind
of
just
had
to
we
don't
have
any
guidelines
for
swimming
pool
slides
beyond
that.
We
looked
at
it
as
an
accessory
structure.
The
footprint
footprint
is
fairly
small
and
it's
you
know
set
within
the
yard.
I
Right
yeah,
okay,
play
forts
swing,
sets
those
sorts
of
things
typically,
don't
go.
I
B
Okay,
outdoor
shower
is
that
kind
of
falling
under
the
same
Banner
I
would
assume
that
does
require
a
permit.
I
mean
I.
I
B
Have
any
concerns
about
that?
Do
we
have
an
elevation
that
shows
the
the
outdoor
shower
like
as
relevant
to
the
project
in
the
yard.
B
K
B
I
feel
like
we're
pushing
kind
of
our
height
requirements
in
a
lot
of
directions
like
it
feels
in
conflict
that
we're
actively
asking
to
diminish
the
height
of
a
fence,
but
you
know
allowing
for
things
that
would
exceed
the
height
of
the
fence.
That
are,
you
know,
seemingly
provided
for
in
the
guidelines,
but
there's
a
lot
of
it.
In
this.
We
we've.
K
I
B
Don't
think
I
would
necessarily
say
that's
it
for
I.
Just
feel
like
this
is
a
dramatic
amount
of
changes
like
on
this.
You
know
the
Lots
on
16th
are
not
huge,
and
so
now
we're
looking
at
a
home,
a
garage,
a
basketball
court,
an
outdoor
shower,
a
patio
pavers
Turf,
a
clubhouse,
a
pool
and
a
hot
tub.
That
feels
like
a
really
dramatic
shift.
I.
K
Would
be
in
agreement,
but
I
think
it
would
be
hard
to
compare
this
to
what
we've
been
approving
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
Unless
we
have
statistics
about
coverage
of
each
one,
I
mean
we're
just
kind
of
like
taking
a
guess.
This
seems
like
a
lot,
but
we're
not
really
saying
it's
against
the
guidelines
because
it
sounds
like
most
of
the
things
he's
proposing
is.
But
when
we
come
to
this
coverage
thing,
we
don't
really
have
a
set
a
number,
and
so
we
have
many
playground.
K
K
K
K
B
K
I
It
I
don't
the
the
guideline
that
is
actually
in.
I
Preservation,
I
agree:
it's
high
guidelines
and
regulations
simply
says
not
to
substantially
alter
the
bill
to
open
space
ratio
and
then
we've
referenced
the
R1
zoning
50
lot
coverage
regulation
even
though
that
doesn't
apply
in
HP
I.
L
I
K
Do
you
feel
like
that
you
propose?
Have
you
I
mean
that
would
be
the
other.
Is
that
you
have
a
very
you
know
specific
numbers
on
what
was
there?
How
much
concrete
was
there?
What's
the
difference
now
and
the
other
would
be,
it
sounds
like
that.
I
think
everybody's
wanting,
you
know,
Less
on
less
concrete.
Q
So
Mike
concluded
a
few
things
that
didn't
count
towards
lot
coverage.
So
currently
it's
about
58,
my
calculation,
for
what
would
increase.
If
so,
we
just
included
the
pavers
the
pool
and
the
artificial
turf
dresses,
not
permeable
I
believe
it
would
be
at
70
percent
cover.
So
if
we're,
including
everything
that
that
is
just
all
increasing
law
coverage,
it'd
be
at
70
percent.
If
you're
wanting
to
give
some
consideration,
saying
semi-permeable
would
only
be
about
half,
it
would
be
at
64
percent
I.
A
H
H
B
You
know,
since
Joe
pointed
that
out
earlier,
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
that
they
did
submit
a
comment
stating
that
they
think
70
impermeable
coverage
is
inappropriate
and
that
58
quote,
if
you
give
credit
for
semi-permeable
space,
is
still
too
high.
B
I,
don't
think
we
ever
I
think
58
is
what
it
currently
is,
but
excess
water
has
to
go
somewhere
and
it
will
likely
run
off
into
neighboring
yards
and
or
the
street.
We
also
believe
the
metal
fencing
is
inappropriate
and
we
would
object
to
the
height
of
eight
feet.
It
I'm,
assuming
they
mean
with
regard
to
that
type
of
fence.
A
A
We
have
a
very
these
historic
areas
are
great
because
they,
like
you,
said
earlier,
they're
very
dense
with
trees,
which
is
uncharacteristic
for
Oklahoma
and
I,
just
I'd
hate
to
lose
that
green.
Just
for
a
bunch
of
Solid
Surfaces,
so
I
think
it's
too
high.
I
L
I
I
My
recommendation
would
be
to
just
continue
it
as
a
whole,
because
all
of
these
things
are
interrelated
with
each
other.
If
you
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
handful
of
items,
then
you're
going
to
end
up
with
you
know
multiple
sets
of
documentation
that
don't
necessarily
match
and
that
can
kind
of
hinder
the
permitting
process
that
would
be
staffs.
B
I
K
J
B
I
So
we
are
at
four
o'clock,
we
might
yes
brief
break
and
then
we
might
get
through
the
rest
of
our
eye.
K
B
There
we
go
okay
back
in
Action
almost
finished.
Do
we
need
to
do
anything
to
officially
restart
this
meeting?
Katie.
I
Katie,
consideration
of
possible
action
on
application
by
Ken
Fitzsimmons
task
design
for
Kristen
Cole
for
speaking
of
appropriateness
to
one
demolished,
partial
structure,
elective
two
construct,
Edition
elective
three,
deconstruct
pergola,
elective
Force,
reconstruct
elective
and
five
replace
Paving
elective.
This
is
a
relatively
small
addition
at
the
rear
of
the
structure.
I
An
existing
non-historic
pergola
is
proposed
to
be
relocated,
removed
and
reinstalled
in
relation
to
the
installation
of
the
addition
and
then
replacement
of
Paving
associated
with
the
construction
of
the
new
edition
staff
did
recommend
approval
with
some
conditions
for
this
item
and
the
condition
is
largely
related
to
Dimensions
that
we
realized.
We
were
missing
on
some
of
the
site
plans
and
that
sort
of
thing
to
confirm,
just
as
we've
been
discussing
to
confirm
the
lot
coverage
we're
fairly
confident.
I
This
is
not
a
significant
change
to
the
existing
lot
coverage,
just
based
on
the
observing
the
site
and
the
drawings
and
confirming
where
and
to
what
extent,
Paving
is
being
replaced.
I
I
think
those
were
staff's
primary
concerns
with
this
item,
but
overall,
no
concerns
about
the
design
or
proportion
or
size
of
the
addition
itself.
K
Read
them
again
into
the
it's
been
a
great
job.
Okay,
these
are
the
comments
from
the
Heritage
Hills
historical
preservation,
Inc,
their
design,
Review
Committee.
The
neighborhood
is
concerned
that
the
addition
will
increase
lot
coverage
coverage,
which
is
currently
at
67
percent,
far
exceeding
the
50
limit
typically
used.
The
addition
is
designed
with
fewer
and
smaller
windows
that
are
typical
in
homes
in
the
neighborhood,
Windows
should
be
double
hung.
Wood
and
doors
should
also
be
wood.
Demolition
of
non-historic
features,
including
the
pergola,
is
permitted.
K
P
P
As
far
as
the
windows
and
doors
we
I
think
we
addressed
that.
We
had
mentioned
that
they
could
be.
You
know,
wood.
We
just
talked
about
painting
them.
The
existing
windows
on
the
house
are.
The
idea
is
that
they
would
match
existing
windows
on
the
house.
There's
details
in
there
that
show
it
the
same
basically
except
for
insulated
for
the
new
windows,
which
is
more
energy
efficient,.
B
B
E
I
Very
rough
guess,
without
enough
kind
of
accurate
dimensions
to
make
that
calculation,
and
that
is
entirely
staffs,
are
our
own,
getting
an
application
that
looked
very
complete
and
very
not
problematic.
We
didn't
realize
until
rather
late
in
the
game
that
we
were
missing
a
few
things
that
we
actually
needed.
So
the
applicant
has
moved
pretty
quickly
to
respond
to
some
of
those
requests
and
we
just
didn't
get
them
in
time
to
get
them
Incorporated
in
here.
I
So
yeah
I
think
that
was
just
staff
kind
of
making
a
guess
at
what
we
could
see
visually.
What
we
could
see
on
the
site
plan
thinking
it
would
be
approximately
67,
but
you
know
if
the
applicant's
got
all
of
those
dimensions
and
it's
done
those
calculations.
That
certainly
could
be
something
that
is
a
you
know,
verifying
that
as
a
condition.
Okay,.
B
I
have
a
question
about
the
how
the
guidelines
treat
additions.
You
know
it
says
in
here
in
the
specific
findings
that
it
does
not
exceed
750
square
feet
is
any
of
what
I'm
looking
at.
In
the
view
from
this,
you
know,
it
says
view
for
northeast
of
existing
is
any
of
that.
An
addition.
P
Yes,
I
believe
that
was
in
addition,
I,
don't
know
the
year
of
that
Kristen
Cole
one
of
the
owners
you
bought
it
with
the
Edition.
Already
there.
J
B
Does
how
do
the
guidelines
treat
an
addition
on
an
addition,
because,
while
we
want
to
keep
them
under
750
feet,
are
we
talking
about
a
new
addition
or
total
additional
space
to
the
historic
structure,
because
otherwise
there
would
be,
if
we're
going
to
eliminate
a
lot
coverage
concern.
There
would
really
be
no
reason
why
people
couldn't
always
just
do
300
square
foot
editions
over
and
over
and
over
again.
I
We,
it
is
kind
of
a
gray
area,
it's
it's
a
discretionary
call
for
you
all.
You
know
a
house
that
was
built
in
1920
and
had
an
addition
in
1950,
and
then
they
come
in
today
for
a
new
edition.
I
think
we
would
look
at
that
differently
than
a
house
that
built
an
addition
in
2018
and
then
came
back
for
another
one
and
then
another
one,
but
I
think
that
has
to
be
a
judgment
call
from
the
commission
based
on
what
do
we
consider
to
be
the
historic
footprint
of
the
house
versus.
P
I
Doesn't
mean
it
couldn't
have
been
done
just
with
nothing
that
does
happen,
but
we
don't
have
anything
showing
when
this
was
built.
Okay,.
B
P
So
it's
AutoCAD
I
drew
the
site
plan
and
used
a
Google
satellite
to
trace
over
the
an
image
of
the
paving
that's
there
and
also
some
field
measurements
to
get
approximate
now,
not
going
to
swear
that's
down
to
the
square
inch,
but
it's
pretty
darn
close
and
so
I
could
walk
you
through
this.
So
you
know
I.
Did
it
I'm
item
by
item
so
I
did
the
existing
garage,
existing
house
existing
walks,
front
yard
existing
drives
and
walks
on
the
East
yard,
and
then
we
did
the
same
with
the
proposed.
P
So
that's
how
we
arrived
at
that
we
took
away
some
Paving
in
the
back
there's.
Actually
some
Paving
that's
going
away.
Okay,
the
image
that
you
see
there,
for
example,
where
the
pergola
is
currently
that
paving's
going
away
the
how
you
know
the
the
addition
would
sit
on
top
of
that.
So
and
actually
we
were
trying
to
be
sensitive
to
that.
P
The
reason
that
the
pergola
we're
talking
about
relocating
it
to
the
side
facing
the
drive
is
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
add
more
deck
or
anything
in
the
backyard
so
they're
trying
to
preserve
their
backyard
as
much
as
possible
and
the
addition
that
we
made
we
tried
to
be.
You
know
not
making
a
huge
addition,
but
they
really
need
the
extra
space
for
their
kids
and
they
work
at
home.
And
so
this
is,
we
felt
like
a
fairly
modest
addition.
B
Is
there
any
opportunity
to
diminish
some
of
this
concrete
if
we
are
I
guess
you
know,
there's
again
like
a
pretty
big
conflict
between
59
67
percent,
that's
a
large
jump
in
terms
of
what
could
possibly
be
covered.
Do
you
see
I
agree
that
it's
not
you
know
an
offensive
Edition
or
anything
like
that.
It's
not
particularly
large
or
anything,
but
because
we're
unsure
of
those
numbers
do
we
feel
like
we
either
need
to.
You
know,
continue
this
get
more
information
or
is
there
an
opportunity.
P
K
Mean
if
you're
providing
the
figures-
and
we
do
we
do
an
approval,
then
we
could
put
that
those
figures,
the
55.9
and
the
57.7
as
a
condition
as
part
of
it,
for
the
architect
to
provide
the
information
to
staff.
So
I'm
comfortable
with.
B
That
did
we
have
a
concern
over.
B
Window
I'm,
seeing
in
the
neighborhood
comments
they
reference
windows
but
I'm,
not
seeing
it
in
the
staff,
findings
or
conditions.
I
P
And
just
to
speak
to
that
for
a
minute,
so
the
addition
that
the
windows
are
being
placed
in
that
you
see
on
the
upper
level
that
may
be
what
they're
referring
to.
They
are
smaller
windows
but
they're
for
a
bath
area
and
they're.
Also,
some
of
those
are
also
facing
west.
So
there
would
be
no
benefit
to
having
large
Windows
facing
west,
which
would
bring
in
sunlight
heat
up.
The
house,
which
were
I
know
part
of
the
goal
of
of
this
commission
now
is
to
think
about
sustainability,
and
things
like
that.
P
I
We
didn't
have
a
concern
about
the
proportions
on
the
Edition
any.
L
P
B
Okay,
our
last
item
on
the
regular
consent.
Docket
is
hpca
23-00014.
I
This
is
Ward
6
consideration,
impossible
action
on
an
application
by
Steven
Prentiss
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
one
replace
windows
required.
This
is
a
property
where
the
work
has
already
been
initiated
or
completed,
and
they
have
now
requested
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
work.
As
done,
the
commission
is
charged
with
reviewing
that
work
as
if
it
had
not
already
occurred.
So,
even
though
it's
already
occurred
or
is
already
underway.
The
commission
has
to
consider
this
as
if
it
was
a
new
application.
I
Mr
Apprentice
has
brought
some
photos
that
we
said
he
could
pass
out
to
the
commission.
We
don't
typically
like
people
to
bring
new
drawings,
and
you
know
architectural
plans
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
additional
photo
documentation
that
you
all
can
just
quickly
look
through,
as
we
review
this
case
seemed
appropriate
Okay.
So
do
we
have
those.
I
The
the
work
that
was
performed
as
the
windows
were
replaced.
The
windows
that
were
there
previously
appear
to
have
been
the
historic
wood
windows
and
the
replacement
windows
that
have
been
installed
are
a
vinyl
product.
Okay,.
B
C
K
Prentice
on
since
I've
read
all
of
the
other
ones
today
I'm
going
to
read
yours
too.
The
comments
from
unless
you've
read
them
already.
These
are
the
comments
from
the
Heritage
Hills,
the
Stark
preservation
Inc,
the
applicant
has
removed
numerous
devil
wooden,
double
hung
Windows
without
a
CA,
the
building
has
been
in
the
historic
district
since
the
1990s
and
the
window
policies
are
well
known.
The
existing
windows
were
in
good
condition
and
should
not
have
been
removed.
This
is
not
supported
by
the
ordinance
and
there
are
no
special
circumstances
in
this
application.
K
The
neighborhood
believes
that
they
should
be
rebuilt
as
originally
constructed.
Window
preservation
remains
among
our
top
priorities
in
the
historic
district
as
windows
are
so
visible
on
our
building.
So
just
be
known
that
this
is
the
neighborhood
design,
Review
Committee.
Turning
in
their
comments
for
everybody,
thank.
B
B
I,
don't
think
it's
the
goal
of
this
commission
to
ever
impose
you
know
a
financial
penalty
or
hindrance
on
somebody.
Who's
already
conducted
work
and
has
to
go
back,
but
I
don't
see
any
possible
way
to
based
on
what
I'm
looking
at
right
now,
unless
you
tell
us
something
completely
different
I,
don't
see
any
way
to
approve
this.
B
L
B
C
C
I
mean
the
reason
why
I
gave
you
those
other
handouts
we
weren't
cited
for
it,
but
as
I
was
made
aware
that
this
is
a
problem,
it's
obvious
that
we
also
painted
the
property-
and
we
weren't
cited
for
that,
but
instead
of
continuing
and
working
and
whatever
I'm
going
to
share
everything,
I
know
about
what's
gone
on
and
see
if
we
can't
find
a
way
to
resolve
and
find
a
solution,
we.
L
I
So
it's
a
challenge
because
we
don't
have-
or
at
least
to
this
point
we
don't
have
detailed
documentation
of
the
historic
windows
and
we
have
photos
of
the
building
from
before
the
work
was
done.
But
we
don't
have
the
typical
Windows
survey
window
by
window
assessment
that
we
would
ask
for.
If
someone
came
in
prior
to
doing
the
work
to
propose
a
window
replacement.
So
we
we
don't
have
detailed
information
on
the
condition
of
the
windows.
C
Well,
I
I
personally
took
them
to
the
dump.
Oh
so
I'm,
the
guy
I
use
my
trailer
I.
Take
it
and
so
on.
I
know
what
their
condition
was
and
I
couldn't
hardly
get
them
out
of
the
dump
trailer
before
they're
falling
apart.
So.
I
Ultimately,
the
windows
are
gone.
We
have
I
think
had
a
previous
case
not
too
long
ago,
where
something
similar
had
happened,
and
we
had
findings
about.
You
know
that
it's
an
adverse
effect,
but
you
know
it
can't
be.
They
can't
be
put
back
because
they're
gone,
but
we
still
have
the
ability.
The
guidelines
would
still
say
that
the
replacement
window
product
needs
to
meet
the
guidelines
for
new
windows
in
historic
building.
B
C
May
I
ask
a
question
of
course,
thank
you
and
I've.
Had
this
explained
to
me,
but
I:
don't
completely
understand
it
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
argumentative
yet
I
have
to
ask
the
question:
when
you
see
there's
one
of
those
photos
should
have
a
shot
of
our
that
one
right.
There
is
a
good
one,
so
Aberdeen
vinyl,
bigger
than
Dallas
right
next
to
me
and
if
you'd
shoot
the
other
direction,
the
other
commercial
building.
That's
right
next
to
us
got
some
vinyl
stuff
on
it
too
go
across
the
street.
C
C
Livable
and
my
wife
and
I,
and
that's
my
wife
right
there
and
yes
I
married
up
I,
understand
that
we
live
in
the
country
right
this
moment,
but
there's
a
time
that's
going
to
come
where
we're
through
working
on
the
farm,
and
we
thought
we
might
consider
moving
here
and
would
like
to
make
it
to
where
it's
pretty.
C
C
The
other
pictures
demonstrate
from
my
front,
porch
I
just
took
pictures
going
all
the
way
around
and
it's
gray
everywhere
and
it's
painted
stucco
or
painted
brick
or
painted
blocks
or
painted
whatever
else.
You're.
No,
like
that,
do
you.
C
And
in
the
break,
I
asked
that
question
because
I
didn't
want
to
get
out
of
line
but
I
also
in
witnessing
you
saved
the
best
for
last
right,
I
got
10.
My
experience
is
what
I've
had
here
today:
okay
and
so
I'm
getting
on
board
with
what's
involved
in
terms
of
appropriate
behavior
in
historic
areas,.
B
So
I
think,
ultimately
you
know
we
want
the
properties
to
be
livable
and
beautiful
too.
That's
certainly
a
shared
goal.
The
guidelines
do
support
replacing
Windows
if
they
are
deteriorated,
Beyond
repair.
So
the
issue
is
not
necessarily
that
you
can't
replace
them
or
that
you
can't
better
your
property.
It's
just
simply
that
they
don't
support
vinyl
windows.
B
Is
that
fair
to
state
that
you
know
there's?
Obviously
we
would
have
if
it
hadn't
already
been
done,
we
would
have
had
somebody
else.
Look
out
the
windows,
but.
C
K
Commercial
all
over
I
mean
it's
unusual
because
you
know
realtors
in
that
area.
The
reason
that
prices
are
the
way
they
are
generally
and
maybe
not
for
a
deteriorated
property,
but
still
even
for
deteriorated
property
and
there's
people
on
up
here.
That
would
know
better
than
myself,
but
once
usually,
when
people
hear
historic
district,
they
they
either.
You
know
they,
everybody
cringes.
If
you.
K
J
K
K
I
To
answer
your
question
specifically
about
the
Aberdeen
I
mean
that
is
a
I
think
1960s
1970s
apartment
complex,
so
we
would
not
hold
them.
The
guidelines
talk
about
replacing
like
for
like
that.
When
you
have
a
historic
window
that
was
wood,
you
need
to
go
back
with
wood
or
with
something
that
approximates
the
look
of
the
wood
like
an
aluminum,
clad
product.
If
you
historically
had
metal
windows
or
vinyl
windows,
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
use
the
word
historically
in
vinyl
windows
in
the
same
context,
but
if.
I
Know
1980s
construction
that
had
vinyl
windows,
then
you
could
continue
to
have
the
vinyl
windows,
so
we
have
to
look
building
by
building
Case
by
case
at
what's
appropriate
for
that
structure.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
painted
masonry
and
sometimes
that
has
been
painted
for
decades.
Sometimes
it's
been
done,
you
know
you
don't
need
a
building
permit
to
paint
masonry.
As
you
know,
sometimes
it
gets
done
without
authorization.
I
But
it
is
not
an
uncommon
feature,
but
that
that
does
you
know
the
guidelines
still
say
what
they
say
about
painting,
brick
and
as
Angela
noted,
the
the
painting
The
Masonry
is
not
on
the
agenda.
It's
not
something
the
commission
can
take
action
on,
but
the
applicant
just
wanted
to
kind
of
lay
all
of
his
cards
on
the
table
about
the
work
that
had
happened
at
this
property
at
this
time.
So,
okay.
B
Well,
I
think
that
you
know
we've
kind
of
given
the
surrounding
information.
The
because
the
guidelines
say
what
they
say.
The
only
realistic
option
is
probably
to
motion
to
I.
Don't
really
know
the
staff
have
this
recommended.
I
As
a
denial
I
think,
if
the
commission
is
not
going
to
approve
the
work,
that's
been
done,
then
you
have
two
options.
You
could
continue
it
and
ask
the
applicant
to
either
provide
additional
information
to
make
their
case
or
to
provide
a
revised
proposal
of
Windows
that
meet
the
guidelines
or
just
to
pursue
further
action
toward
resolution,
or
the
commission
could
simply
deny
the
application
and
the
applicant
can
appeal
that
to
board
of
adjustment
or
can
take
that
denial
back
to
the
code
enforcement
officer
and
kind
of
proceed
down
that
code
enforcement
path.
B
Okay,
before
we
move
towards
emotion,
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
who'd
like
to
be
heard?
B
K
K
K
Be
higher
up
on
the
list,
but
I
mean
that
would
be.
That
would
be
an
option.
I
mean
it.
It
sounds
like
I
mean.
If
we
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
deny.
Unless
you
just
are
standing
there
saying
you
know,
no
I
just
want
to
go
to
the
board
of
a
you
know
to
appeal:
it
I
mean
people
do
that.
I
would
probably
suggest
that
you,
you
know
you
take
it.
Take
some
time
and
maybe
I
mean
right
now
it's
a
usable
building.
K
You
might
have
to
do
new
windows
in
the
future,
but
you
could
continue
on
take
not
next
month,
but
the
next
meeting.
Then
you
would
have
30
days
to
explore
possibilities
and
come
back
and
plead
your
case
either.
You
know,
maybe
you
have
come
up
with
a
new
idea,
don't
know
so.
Would
you
like
to
have
a
continuance
to
the
May
meeting.
C
I
think
we
can
figure
out
whatever
we're
going
to
do
in
a
few
days.
Okay,
and
so
today,.
M
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
Randy
and
I
or
Randy's
address
I'm,
sorry,
Marva,
Ellard,
1521,
North,
Shartel,
Avenue,
Randy's,
kid
committee
or
Randy
and
I'd
be
happy
to
meet
with
the
applicant
and
his
family
to
help
them
with
some
resources
and
some
since
they
haven't
been
in
our
world
for
very
long.
We're
excited
that
they
want
to
improve
their
property,
and
maybe
we
could
help
steer
them
in
the
right
direction,
with
some
appropriate
window
manufacturers
and
some
other
things.
If
they'd
like
to
take
advantage
of
that.
B
B
B
I'll
second
up,
okay
seconded
by
commissioner
Corbin,
please
vote
in
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
please,
seconded
by
commissioner
Whitley,
please
vote
in
Prime
gov.
K
Get
some
because
they're
they
they
truly
are
wanting
to
help
you.
So
you
know
make
sure
that
you
get
their
information
and
you
all
can
get
together
because
they're.
K
F
N
C
K
Well,
we
we
do
review
some
commercial
buildings
that
are
in
the
area.
It's
few.
There
are
few,
but
it's
you
know,
there's
boundaries,
I
mean
it's
a
district
and
the
boundary
lines
have
been
there
for
a
long
time.
So
there's
reasons
why
some
properties
on
the
edge
that
are
commercial
were
included
just
a
as
a
protection
kind
of
to
other
properties
and
and
that
they
were
built
in
the
same
time
period
they're
part
of
the
story.
So
so
your
building's
part
of
the
story
so.
B
B
I
Have
three
items
under
other
business:
we
have
two
home
sharing
applications
and
we
have
our
certified
local
government
application.
So
I'll
just
go
the
boa
15212
at
305,
Northwest
25th
Street
is
consideration
impossible
option
on
an
application
by
Alyssa
Dyer
to
provide
a
recommendation
to
board
of
adjustment
regarding
an
application
for
home
sharing,
and
this
is
one
that
is
in
an
HL
overlay.
I
So,
as
we
talk
about
every
time
these
come
up,
we
seem
to
be
seeing
more
and
more
of
these,
the
HP
requirements
that
they
that
the
property
be
their
primary
residence
and
that
they
be
on
site
at
the
time
of
rental,
do
not
apply
in
the
HL
overlay
areas.
This
applicant
appears
to
meet
all
applicable
criteria
and
doesn't
appear
to
be
proposing
anything
that
would
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
character
of
the
property
or
the
district.
So
we
did
recommend
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
board
of
adjustment.
B
Okay,
welcome,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
yeah.
B
Okay,
great
I,
don't
I
mean
Commissioners
I,
don't
see
anything
I
can't
believe.
Y'all
are
not
going
to
believe
that
I'm
about
to
say
this,
but
I
can't
say
any
reason
to
not
support
this
home
share
application.
I
think
it
meets
all
of
the
applicable
standards
and
guidelines
and
I.
Don't
you
know,
I,
don't
see
anything
concerning
on
my
end.
B
Okay,
congratulations
enjoy
your
home
share
all
right.
Next,
up,
boa
15301,
819,
Northwest,
24th
Street
in
Paseo,
seems
like
a
pretty
similar
situation.
Yes,.
I
Same
thing,
consideration
and
possible
application
on
an
application
for
Home
Sharing
to
be
recommended
to
board
of
adjustment.
Similarly,
this
is
in
an
HL
overlay
where
the
base
zoning
does
not
require
the
owner
to
be
the
primary
resident
of
the
property,
and
they
don't
have
to
be
on
site,
and
we
recommended
a
recommendation
of
approval
for
this
item
as
well.
K
No
I'll
make
a
motion
to
provide
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
adjustment
regarding
the
application,
for
a
special
exception,
fill
allow
for
Home
Sharing
for
boa
15301
at
819,
Northwest
24th.
J
B
Okay,
well,
the
motion
carries
so
if
you
are
watching
congratulations
and
enjoy
your
home
share.
B
Lastly,
we've
got
the
it's
a
certified:
it's
a
certified
local
government
application,
so
consideration
and
possible
action
to
recommend
the
CLG
sub-grant
application
to
city
council
for
approval
and
authorizing
the
historic
preservation
chair
to
sign
the
application.
On
behalf
of
the
commission.
I
So,
every
year
we
are
allocated
funding
through
the
state
historic
preservation
office
to
carry
out
a
variety
of
preservation,
related
projects
that
can
be
historic
surveys,
National
register
nominations,
workshops,
training
and
travel
for
commission
and
staff.
It
can
be
buying
office
supplies
and
fun
things
like
staplers,
but
we
so
each
year
we're
allocated
a
certain
amount
of
funding.
We
put
together
a
Grant
application
documenting
the
projects
that
we
intend
to
do.
I
That
goes
through
you
all
for
a
recommendation
and
then
to
city
council
for
approval,
and
then
we
submit
it
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
I
have
learned
to
include
more
projects
than
we
are
allocated
money
to
pay
for
because
we
often
get
another
pot
of
money
Midway
down
the
line
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
So
if
you
think
the
list
of
projects
looks
really
long,
that's
on
purpose-
and
we
probably
can't
wouldn't
actually
be
able
to
pay
for
all
of
those
at
this
moment
with
what
we've
been
allocated.
I
But
we
have
been,
we
are
in
the
midst
of
an
intensive
level
survey
of
classes,
North
Highland,
parked
Edition
and
hope
to
be
finished
with
that
and
be
able
to
move
forward
with
the
national
register
nomination
in
this
next
Grant
cycle.
That
neighborhood
has
expressed
interest
in
getting
listed
and
then
have
a
number
of
other
projects
included
in
here
as
well.
So
happy
to
answer.
You
know
additional
questions
go
into
more
detail,
but
that's
what
this
is
for.
I
B
I
Have
lots
and
lots
of
administrative
approvals?
There
is
one
that
I
will
mention
specifically
just
because
it's
enormous
it
was
for
relocation
of
gas
meters
in
portions
of
Edgemere
park.
That's
the
one.
It's
number,
nine
that
you
see
with
a
million
addresses
this
as
far
as
staff
knows,
has
actually
been
appealed
to
board
of
adjustment
and
the
neighborhood
is
working
with
Ong.
They
had
concerns
about
how
that
work
was
going
to
be
performed.
You
can't
appeal
to
administrative
approvals.
It
very
rarely
happens.
I
What
am
I
appealing
just
appealing
the
approval
in
general
that
it
shouldn't
have
been
approved.
Oh
so,
okay,
any
withdrawals,
no
withdrawals
and
no
administrative
closings,
no
items
for
city
council
I
mentioned
that
that
one
had
been
appealed
and
that
would
go
to
board
of
adjustment.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
on
that
yet,
and
nothing
from
Planning
Commission,
okay,.
B
Anything
from
the
municipal
counselor's
office,
okay,
our
next
meeting
date-
will
be
Wednesday,
April
5th
at
2
pm.
Do
we
have
any
items
from
commissioners
I.
K
Have
to
I
have
I
I'm
gonna
go
really
fast.
We
do
have
a
concern
in
the
for
some
historic
buildings,
and
that
would
include
and
Katie
knows,
some
more
information,
but
I'm
interested
and
I
wanted
to
see
if
anybody
else
was
for
Taft
and
Capitol
Hill
both
are
included
in
the
what
is
it
Bond
the
school
bond
and
so
for
really
unknown.
I've
talked
to
some
alumni's
Michael
Smith
is
an
alumni
of
Capitol
Hill
and
he
called
me.
I
sent
some
information
to
him
about
schools
and
I'll.
B
Walk
us
through
the
specific
concern
with
the
bond
issue
that
they
would
demolish
these
buildings.
Okay,
so
yeah
I
think
the
okcps
Bond
issues
are
problematic
to
the
objective
of
this
commission,
so
so.
K
Anyway,
there
might
I
mean
maybe
Katie
can
tell
us
how
we
could
be
involved,
but
I
do
want
to
tell
you
that
years
ago,
I
did
a
I
did
a
survey
for
what
was
then
the
local
historic
preservation
group
here
in
Oklahoma
City
as
a
report
on
schools
and
so
I
surveyed,
every
school
built
in
Oklahoma,
City
and
there's
information
about
them.
So
Katie
has
that
and
she
can
send
you
all
a
link
to
read
that
report
and
then
it'll
talk
about
the
schools
and
the
dates
and
Architects
and
stuff
like
that.
K
They're
terrible
I
mean
they
have
been
horrible
landlords.
In
my
opinion,
I
mean
they
take
a
very
old
school.
That's
very
you
know
that
was
in
decent
condition,
I
won't
say
perfect
condition,
and
then
they
let
it
sit
there
for
10
to
30
years
and
deteriorate.
They
won't
sell
it
and
then,
in
the
end,
they're
like
oh,
no,
it's
in
terrible
condition.
We
need
to
tear
it
down
when
people
have
asked
them
to
purchase
those
buildings
over
time.
K
At
one
point,
they
tried
to
give
them
to
non-profits
and
stuff
like
that,
but
I
mean
they're
they're,
so
important
to
the
history
of
our
city,
school
buildings.
We
paid
for
them
with
taxes,
and
we
should
you
know
they
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
just
you
know,
throw
them
away
like
they
do,
and
it's
really
not
clear
Katie
at
this
point,
what
the
plan
is
for
either
building
Michael
Smith
told
me
that
he
had
been
told
it
could
be
a
total,
a
teardown
in
a
new
school.
I
The
commission
has
I
just
pulled
up.
The
commission
has
broad
Powers
as
far
as
making
kind
of
comments,
recommendations,
identification
and
recognition
of
historic
resources,
not
just
limited
to
existing
historic
districts.
It's
intended
to
be
Citywide,
that's
why
we
have
a
preservation
plan.
That's
why
we
have
the
ability
to
designate
new
landmarks
and
new
districts
and
just
to
generally
increase
public
awareness
of
the
value
of
historical,
architectural
and
archaeological
resources.
I
So
I
think
that
if
there's
interest
from
the
commission
between
now
and
our
next
meeting
staff
could
pull
some
more
information
about
various
ways.
The
commission
could
provide
some
sort
of
comment,
or
you
know,
formal
input
and
what
that
would
look
like
I'm.
I
And
it
it
may
be
something
that
individual
commission
members
pursue
more
effectively
on
their
own
through
other
channels,
but
you
know
that
is
the
part
of
the
role
of
historic
preservation.
Commission
is
to
identify
historic
resources
and
raise
public
awareness.
So,
with
this
having
come
to,
commissioner
Meacham,
it's
also
been
we're
getting
calls
frequently.
A
staff
about
these
buildings
seemed
like
a
good
time
to
just
at
least
raise
it
with
you
all.
I
B
Any
other
Commissioners
have
items
they
need
to
share
or
discuss
well
welcome.
Commissioner
Whitley
I
should
have
done
that
at
the
beginning,
but
we're
happy
you're
here
joining
us.
Your
first
commission
meeting
we're
glad
to
have
you
glad
to
be
here:
okay,
any
citizens
who
wish
to
be
heard
there
there's
one
of
you.
If
you
wish
to
be
heard.
E
E
Not
sure
what
happened
one
guy
bought,
the
house
went
in
ripped
it
apart
and
then
now
has
basically
hit.
The
panic
button
is
like
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
handle
this
I,
don't
know
what
I'm
doing
so
I'm
currently
under
contract
to
buy
it
and
be
owner
occupant.
On
it.
E
I
B
That's
fine!
Okay!
Sorry
with
that
I'll
motion
to
adjust
well
I
will
adjourn
I,
don't
think
we
need
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Do
we?
Okay,
we're.