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From YouTube: Mayor's Magazine - June 2013
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Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett discusses severe storm forecasting and preparedness with National Weather Service Warning Coordination Meteorologist Greg Carbin and City storm prepardness and response with Emergency Manager Frank Barnes.
:14 - Greg Carbin - Segment one
8:02 - Greg Carbin - Segment two
16:34 - Lt. Frank Barnes
A
A
Greg
Carbin
is
here,
he's
the
warning
coordination
meteorologist
within
the
National
Weather
Service
storm
predicting
center,
so
Greg
welcome
to
the
mayor's
magazine,
Thank
You
mayor,
that's
a
long
title
could
probably
be
more
succinctly.
Talk
about
you
40
for
a
moment,
you're
not
native
to
Oklahoma,
but
you
that
the
weather
and
your
career
has
brought
you
here,
give
us
a
little
bit
of
that
back.
I!
Guess:
I'm!
Getting
there.
B
I've
been
here
16
years
now,
with
the
National
Weather
Service
20
years
prior
to
that
in
the
private
sector
in
meteorology,
I,
grew
up
in
New,
England,
basically
interested
in
winter
weather
and
snow
storms.
Of
course
you
get
a
lot
of
snow
and
did
a
lot
of
skiing
as
a
kid,
but
also
you
know
interested
in
severe
weather
hail
tornadoes.
B
We
didn't
get
a
lot
of
those
in
New
England,
but
my
career
led
me
into
the
National
Weather
Service
and
an
opportunity
came
up
in
Norman
16
years
ago
to
work
with
the
Storm
Prediction
Center
and
they
were
actually
moving.
The
National
Storm
Prediction
Center
from
Kansas
City
to
Norman
to
be
co-located
with
the
national
severe
storms,
laboratory
in
the
University
of
Oklahoma,
and
so
I
was
one
of
the
first
operational
meteorologists
to
come
to
norman.
To
assist
in
that
move
and
I've
been
there
ever
since,
and.
A
B
You
gather,
passionate
meteorologists
in
one
location
and
you
task
them
with
forecasting
thunderstorms,
which
are
not
easy
and
severe
thunderstorms
and
tornadoes
which
are
even
more
difficult
and
you
task
them
with
this
day
in
and
day
out,
and
if
you
can
hold
on
to
that
talent
in
one
location,
you
can
build
a
level
of
skill,
perhaps
greater
than
would
exist,
say
in
far-flung
local
forecast
offices
in
parts
of
the
country
that
don't
experience
severe
storms
all
that
often.
So.
B
A
B
A
Would
think
one
of
the
big
differences
between
the
science
that
looks
at
tornadoes?
The
sciences
that
look
at
hurricane
is
just
the
speed
at
which
things
change.
Yes
with
hurricanes.
You
know
you
wake
up
every
day
and
you
just
kind
of
see
where
it's
moved
on
the
map
as
it
moves
closer
inland
tornadoes
change.
You
know
by
the
minute
and
I
would
excited
expected
that
the
technology
that
that's
used
and
the
expertise
use
is
much
more
valuable.
Well,.
B
It
is,
it
is
a
fundamentally
different
problem,
and
often
you
do
not
have
something
to
point
to
on
the
map.
You
know
the
hurricane
forecasting
is
usually
quite
useful
as
far
as
here's
what's
coming,
you
know
we
can
see
it
coming
and
you're
absolutely
right.
The
tornado
risk
develops
rather
quickly.
We
can't
necessarily
point
too
much
on
a
map
other
than
perhaps
some
developing
thunderstorms
and
say
these
pose
a
risk
within
the
next
one
to
two
hours.
B
This
problem
is
is
really
one
that
is
difficult
for
the
science
of
meteorology
to
grasp
in
any
term
terms
of
lead
time,
in
terms
of
being
able
to
say
with
some
certainty,
you
know,
I
cannot
tell
you
at
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
that
at
noon
or
5pm
today,
you'll
have
a
tornado
threat,
very
quick,
close
to
the
Oklahoma
City
metro
area
that
that
capability
doesn't
exist
yet
so
we
have
to
talk
in
terms
of
probability.
We
have
to
talk
in
terms
of
chances.
B
These
are
rare
events,
they're
not
necessarily
uncommon
to
places,
especially
like
Central
Oklahoma,
but
until
that
thunderstorm
develops
and
begins
to
exhibit
some
form
of
rotation
and
and
some
potential
for
a
tornado.
We
really
don't
have
a
lot
to
go
on
other
than
just
a
very
broad
forecast
on
an.
B
The
operational
staff
composes
about
30
and
then
about
20
science
and
administrative
support
staffs
and
about
50
employees
at
the
National
Storm
Prediction
Center,
that's
a
little
larger
than
your
typical
local
forecast
office
and,
of
course,
we're
paired
up
right
next
door
with
the
norman
oklahoma
city,
national
weather
service
forecast
office,
and
there
are
a
hundred
and
twenty
of
those
offices
throughout
the
country
that
specialize
in
the
day-to-day
forecasts
and
warnings
for
their
area
of
the
country,
usually
about
the
size
of
half
a
medium-sized
state.
Most.
A
B
Actually,
a
very
interesting
relationship:
I
have
a
lot
of
colleagues
in
the
broadcast
media
that
I
interact
with
on
a
regular
basis
from
the
net
from
the
weather
channel
to
local
TV
stations
around
the
country.
These
are
mostly
other
meteorologists,
and
a
lot
of
what
we
do
is
is
geared
toward
other
meteorologists.
The
information
that
we
write
in
our
forecast
discussions,
the
the
graphical
products
that
we
have
on
our
website
are
really
technical
products.
B
They
really
are
difficult
to
interpret
for
the
layperson
unless
that
person
spends
a
lot
of
time,
learning
about
meteorology
and
about
weather,
and
so
many
of
our
broadcast
meteorologists,
and
even
some
emergency
managers
now
and
others
are
trained
to
interpret
the
meteorology
and
the
information
that
is
that
is
provided
in
these
products.
We.
A
Got
to
get
to
a
break,
we
got
more,
though,
coming
with
Greg
Carbin
he's
the
weather
I'm.
Sorry,
the
warning
coordination
meteorologist
with
the
National
Weather
Service
storm
predicting
center
down
in
Norman,
and
he's
telling
us
more
about
severe
weather
in
general.
When
we
come
back,
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
specifically
about
the
horrific
tornado
that
struck
Oklahoma,
City
and
more
back
on
May
twentieth,
stay
with
us.
D
E
A
Welcome
back
on
the
mayor's
magazine,
I'm
Mick
Cornett,
the
mayor
of
Oklahoma
City,
were
visiting
with
Greg
Carbin
with
the
National
Weather
Service
Storm
Prediction
Center
down
in
Norman
I
want
to
talk
specifically
about
the
May
twentieth
tornado.
What
did
your
office
see
earlier
in
the
day
and
how
did
it
develop?
Well,
we.
B
Thank
goodness
not
a
lot
of
damage
with
that,
and
then
Sunday
we
saw
the
Edmund
tornado
and
the
tornado
that
hit
Shawnee
occur
late
in
the
day.
It's
rather
unusual
to
see
a
pattern
repeat
like
this
day
in
day
after
day,
so
this
was
the
first
thing
that
struck
us
is
that
you
know
this.
This
type
of
repeat
activity
very
similar
area
day
after
day
is
not
something
we
see
very
often
and
so
Monday
Dawn's,
the
essentially
the
weather
system,
had
not
really
cleared
the
air
mass
out.
B
You
could
tell
when
you
walked
out
the
door
that
day
they
hoist
airmass
very
warm
conditions,
and
we
knew
that
there
was.
There
was
going
to
be
this
risk
again
for
tornado
or
first
thunderstorm
development
and
the
potential
for
tornadoes
with
those
thunderstorms
late
in
the
afternoon,
and
we
also
knew
that
that
activity
was
probably
going
to
occur
a
little
earlier,
just
the
way
that
the
situation
was
coming
together.
We
wouldn't
necessarily
need
the
full
heating
of
the
day
to
initiate
storms
and
sure
enough.
It
wasn't
very
long.
After
22
p.m.
B
we
started
to
see
development,
tornado
watch
was
issued
for
a
broad
swath
of
Central
Oklahoma,
and
the
watch
is
essentially
what
it's.
What
the
word
means
is
keep
a
watch.
You
know
we
expect
the
conditions
in
this
area
rather
large
area
across
the
central
part
of
the
state
of
Oklahoma
are
favorable
for
the
development
of
tornadoes.
We
don't
have
tornadoes
yet,
but
we
are
expecting
that
as
storms
develop,
though
that
potential
will
increase,
and
then
the
next
step,
obviously,
is
the
tornado
warning
and
the
warning
is
is
essentially.
This
is
imminent.
B
This
information
that
we're
providing
you
in
the
warning
means
that
you
need
to
take
immediate
action
to
protect
your
life
and
property,
because
they,
you
know
tornado
event,
is
either
underway
or
about
ready
to
occur
so
that
the
watch
and
warning
process
on
this
day
I
believe
worked
very
well.
Not
only
that,
but
you
know,
Oklahomans
are
used
to
this
in
May.
They
know
what
this
process
is.
They
know
that
their
risk
increases
as
they
go
through
the
afternoon
and
they
know
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
sky
and
also
listen
for
the
latest
information.
B
B
A
A
map
that
kind
of
chronicled
tornadoes
that
had
affected
Oklahoma
for
decades.
You
know
all
the
way
back
into
the
19th
century
and
it
seemed
to
be
very
sporadic
and
very
spread
out
yet
I
think
there's
a
perception
amongst
our
generation
that
this
one
particular
corridor.
This
Moore
Oklahoma
City
corridor
that
has
been
hit
in
99
and
03
and
and
now
in
2013,
seems
to
be
more
susceptible.
Any
comment
on
that
on
on
whether
or
not
it's
it's
there's
something
going
on
and
that
that
makes
that
more
likely
to
occur
there
well.
B
It's
hard
to
deny
I
mean
we,
you
know
15
years
and
we've
seen
very
similar
tracks
from
from
supercell
thunderstorms
across
this
air
area.
What
I
would
say
is
that
we
know
that
on
a
large
scale,
the
topography
of
the
continental
United
States
plays
a
role
in
producing
conditions
that
are
favorable
for
severe
weather
in
the
plains
and
in
the
south,
and
it
may
not
be
that
far
fetched
to
say
that
very
small
scale
topography
could
play
a
role
in
favored,
tornado
development
and
thunderstorm
development.
B
But
what's
important
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
cannot
happen
elsewhere,
and
so
you
know
whenever
I
see
these
these
tracks
across
more
area.
I,
wonder
you
know
how
how
if
we
had
a
thousand
years
of
data,
you
can
imagine
that
there
may
have
been
a
favorite
corridor
in
the
days
when
it
was
just
an
open
prairie.
We
just
don't
have
enough
information
to
say
for
sure,
and
we
certainly
don't
have
the
modeling
capability
on
the
small
scale
to
mimic
what
the
atmosphere
is
actually
doing
there.
B
A
B
We
doubtfully
will
have
the
technology
capable
to
to
change
this
and,
and
the
interesting
answer
to
is
where,
where
does
the
atmosphere
release
this
this
energy?
You
know
if
you,
if
you
somehow
we're
able
to
prevent
this
from
happening,
there's
a
reason
for
it
to
have
what's
the
Reaper
going,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
I
think
you
know,
the
advice
is
to
stay
informed.
Have
a
plan
is
incredibly
important
because
you
often
will
not
have
an
awful
lot
of
time
to
institute
that
plan.
B
B
A
Risk
Greg
Carbin
is
with
the
National
Weather
Service
the
National
Weather
Service
Storm
Prediction
Center
in
Norman,
thanks
so
much
for
coming
the
mayor's.
Maybe
thank
you
very
much
on
a
fascinating
discussion
and
perhaps
swing
heavy
on
next
spring.
Again,
when
when
people
are
preparing
for
for
severe
weather,
be
glad
to
do
that.
All
right
well
have
more
of
the
mayor's
magazine
will
talk
with
Frank
Barnes,
who
coordinates
the
city's
reaction
to
to
the
storm
preparations
we'll
be
right
back.
D
F
A
G
I
came
to
Oklahoma
I
worked
for
the
wash
county
sheriff's
office
in
reno
nevada.
I
worked
there
for
20
years,
I
retired
moved
Oklahoma
started
over
again
with
the
Oklahoma
City
Police
Department,
so
I
have
a
total
of
thirty-four
years
in
public
safety
or
in
law
enforcement
and
I've
spent
the
last
five
and
a
half
years
as
an
emergency
management
and
as
a
city's
emergency
manager.
I'm
a
certified
emergency
manager
through
the
international
association
of
emergency
managers
and
a
graduate
FEMA's
emergency
management,
basic
academy.
Well,.
A
G
Emergencies,
kind
of
relative
free
for
each
person,
but
in
our
city
we
make
a
distinction
between
day-to-day
emergencies
and
major
emergencies.
Disasters
and
catastrophic
incidents
and
a
major
emergency
would
be
an
event
that
requires
much
more
resources.
Possibly
our
mutual
aid
partners
coming
in
and
helping
us
it'd
be
more
prolonged
for
possibly
many
days,
but
something
that
overall
we
can
handle
within
our
city
organization
and
within
our
existing
financial
capabilities.
G
Disaster
is
obviously
an
event
that
has
a
greater
impact
on
our
community.
It
disrupts
the
normal
flow
of
our
lives,
people
don't
work
or
they're
not
going
to
school,
you're
not
able
to
shop
or
you
don't
have
power,
but
your
life
is
disrupted
for
up.
Protracted
period
of
time
requires
a
lot
of
resources,
usually
resources
coming
in
from
state
and
federal
level
and
usually
requires
an
infusion
of
federal
dollars
to
help
do
the
disaster.
G
A
G
So
we
monitor
the
storm
as
it
comes
across
the
city,
so
that
we
have
a
common
operating
picture.
We
can
maintain
situational
awareness
for
the
rest
of
the
city.
We
also
began
coordinating
with
other
city
agencies,
so
we
have
other
City
departments
send
representatives
to
multi-agency
Coordination
Center,
so
we
can
coordinate
with
each
other.
We
can
share
information
and
we
can
resolve
issues
and
problems
face
to
face
very
quickly.
We
also
worked
on
supporting
the
operations
in
the
field
by
getting
the
resources
they
needed.
G
A
G
Got
you
have
law
enforcement
and
fire
and
the
am
set
that
are
monitoring
it
and,
as
you
said,
they're
coming
in
behind
it
literally
coming
in
behind
it
and
immediately
the
first
priority
is
life
safety.
It
sits
at
rescuing
people,
identifying
people
who
are
trapped,
people
need
to
be
rescued,
people
need
to
be
received
medical
treatment,
that's
the
first
priority
and
all
those
law
enforcement
officers,
police
officers,
firefighters,
paramedics,
begin
performing
that
function.
You
know
they
would
come
into
neighborhoods
begin
to
rapidly
move
through
them
identify
if
people
were
trapped.
People
were
hurt
and
provide.
G
Well,
its
officers
that
happen
to
be
on
duty,
and
some
of
them
have
additional
duty
assignments
where
they
may
serve
on
the
urban
search-and-rescue
task
force,
or
they
may
serve
on
our
emergency
response
team,
which
is
a
mobile
field
force
and
they
have
specialized
in
additional
training
that
helps
them
in
their
response
to
a
tornado
impact.
I
talked.
A
To
one
officer
who
was
one
of
the
first
on
the
scene
at
the
grade
school,
that
was
in
Oklahoma
City
and
he
talked
about
his
background
in
training
in
in
in
structure
collapse
and
I
thought.
That
was
interesting
because
from
our
standpoint
at
City
Hall,
you
know.
We
know
that
there's
just
a
lot
of
training
that
we,
you
know,
insist
and
encourage
our
police
officers
and
our
firefighters
to
take
place.
Never
really
knowing
you
know
what
will
be
valuable
and
what
will
not
be,
and
it
certainly
seemed
like
in
that
particular
case.
A
G
And
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
training
that
that
our
public
safety
personnel
go
through
and
it's
training.
That's
for
that
one
percent.
You
know
99
percent
of
your
career.
You
may
never
use
it,
but
it's
for
that.
One
percent
that
one
day
that
it
makes
a
difference
and
it
saves
a
life
and
it's
hard
sometimes
to
explain
that
to
two
people.
If
you're
looking
at
the
dollars
or
the
budget,
you
know
why
should
we
have
this
training
if
you're
not
going
to
use
it
99%
of
time?
A
Some
people
may
may
look
at
the
fire
department
and
say
they
put
out
fires,
but
really
the
fire
department
does
many
many
more
things
than
that.
So
can
you
kind
of
explain,
I
think
people
generally
have
an
idea
what
the
police
would
do
when
they
come
in
on
situations
and
what
would
the
fire
department
unit
be
doing?
That's
different
from
what
a
police
officer
would
be
well.
G
The
the
fire
department
comes
in
and
they
do
the
search
and
rescue
function.
They
will
begin
to
search
through
the
area
searched
through
the
rebel
they
have
personally
were
trained
to
do
that
kind
of
extrication
of
people
that
are
trapped
and
then
render
emergency
medical
care
until
they
can
be
transported
to
hospital
and
get
further
further
treatment.
G
You
know
obviously
you're
not
dealing
with
fires.
In
a
tornado,
I
know
there
was
one
and
that's
rare,
generally
you're
dealing
with
people
that
are
trapped,
so
the
fire
departments
performing
that
search
and
rescue
function,
and
they
don't
do
it
just
once.
You
know
they
do
repeatedly
till
they
are
satisfied
that
they've
gone
through
all
the
debris.
All
the
rubble
and
they've
accounted
for
everybody
and
there's
they're
certain
that
there's
nobody.
Nobody
trapped
some.
A
G
City
has
had
a
storm,
shelter,
safe
room
registry
for
about
10
years,
and
we
ask
our
citizens
that
when
you
install
a
safe
room
or
a
storm
shelter
to
register
it
with
the
city-
and
it
goes
into
a
data
set
in
our
geographic
information
system
which
fire
and
police
can
pull
up
on
their
mobile
digital
computers
in
their
vehicles.
We
can
pull
up
those
map
layers,
we
can
look
at
them
and
we
can
see
which
home
and
this
had
housing
addition
or
which
home
in
this
neighborhood
has
a
safe
room
or
shelter.
G
G
Tell
you
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
sit
down
and
look
at
all
the
look
at
all
the
data
that
we
have
or
all
the
information.
But
to
say
it's
be
safe
to
say
we
had
quite
quite
a
few.
The
good
news
is,
they
were
saved
by
the
storm,
shelter,
safe
room
and
because
we
knew
where
they
were.
We
were
able
to
go,
get
them
and
rescue
them
and
get
him
out
of
there.
Their
storm,
shelter
and
safe
room.
G
Some
of
the
homes
that
that
were
destroyed,
but
there
were
still
parts
remaining.
You
still
saw
that
into
your
room
and,
as
mr.
Corbin
talked
about
you,
putting
as
many
walls
between
you
we've
seen
that
time
and
time
again,
where
that
interior
room,
that's
not
connected
to
the
out
side,
it
doesn't
have
an
exterior
window,
doesn't
have
an
exterior
door,
how
it,
how
it
survives
over
and
over
again,
and
people
are
able
to
survive
in
that
that
space.
G
Also,
you
look
at
the
time
of
the
day
it
was,
as
you
mentioned
earlier.
In
the
afternoon,
a
lot
of
people
were
still
at
work.
A
lot
of
people
were
gone
from.
The
neighborhoods
and
I
think
that
that
contributed
to
a
lower
death
toll
and
injury
rate,
because
people
were
not
at
home,
they
were
at
work.
A
G
It
you
know,
for
the
the
police
department
I
know
that
they
have
the
Metro
Chiefs
that
meat,
so
that
the
police
chiefs
in
the
metropolitan
area
can
get
together
and
build
relationships.
We
have
Metro
Fire
Chiefs,
where
you
get
in
the
metropolitan
fire
chiefs
are
getting
together,
they're
communicating,
sharing
information
at
the
emergency
management
level.
G
We
have
the
Central
Oklahoma
Emergency
Management,
Association
that
we
meet
every
month
and
you
know
we
build
relationships,
get
to
know
each
other,
but
another
way
of
building
relationships
is
through
planning
and
exercising
when
you
go
to
put
a
plan
together
and
you
involve
the
right
stakeholders
just
that
process
of
planning
you
get
to
know
each
other,
you
build
relationships,
you
get
to
know
somebody.
It's
the
same
thing
with
exercises.
If
we
do
a
disaster
or
emergency
preparedness
exercises
and
we've
all
involved
other
agencies,
you
can
you
begin
to
build
those
relationships.
A
G
That
the
incident
commander
has
to
determine
what
resources
he
or
she
needs
and
if
they
need
more
resources
than
they
make
that
request
for
that
mutual
aid.
One
of
the
challenges
in
any
disasters
you
have
some
people
who
will
self
deploy
and
they've
show
up
on
the
scene
and
yet
to
figure
how
to
integrate
them
in
your
operation
and
that's
kind
of
the
nature
of
oklahomans
to
respond
to
where
the
need
is
and
others.
G
A
The
storms
gone
through
once
the
areas
been
secured
once
the
ambulances
have
done
their
work,
the
cleanup
the
dealing
with
the
citizens
and
their
insurance
companies
and
all
of
that
and
Public
Works
getting
out
and
clearing
the
streets,
so
vehicles
can
get
through.
Do
you
coordinate
that
out
of
your
office
as
well?
We're.
G
Involved
in
that
you
know,
Public
Works
is
a
first
responder
agency
in
our
city.
We
treat
it
that
way
and
they
know
what
their
role
is
to
come
in
and
clear
the
debris
and
open
up
the
streets
and
get
that
they
just
happens
automatically,
just
like
the
police
and
firemen
when
they
respond
to
do
their
job.
But
as
we
start
getting
into
the
recovery,
our
office
works
with
FEMA
and
with
the
State
Department
emergency
management,
as
well
as
our
private
nonprofits
to
coordinate
the
delivery
of
disaster
assistance.
G
Our
office
works
with
with
FEMA
on
the
public
assistance,
which
is
how
the
city
gets
reimbursed
for
its
costs
and
in
that
public
assistance
that
includes
debris
removal.
So
we
coordinate
right
now
we're
currently
coordinating
the
debris
removal
process.
We
have
Public
Works
Utilities
Department
development
services
are
some
of
the
city
apartments
that
have
a
piece
in
this
process
and
we
help
coordinate
that
and
we
provide
the
interface
between
us
and
FEMA
to
expedite
that
process.
So
we
can
get
the
debris
cleaned
up
and
get
us
to
start
rebuilding.