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B
C
Oh
there
you
are
you
reconnected
in
prime
gov.
Now,
thank
you
so
much
mr
chair,
it
looks
like
we
should
be
ready
to
start
at
the
top
of
the
hour.
For
you,
sir.
D
We
want
to
request
that
everyone
joining
us
today,
except
commission
members,
keep
your
mic
or
phone
muted
until
you're
called
upon
to
speak
as
instructed
in
the
agenda
those
who
called
or
emailed
us
in
advance
to
let
us
know
your
name,
contact,
number
or
agenda
item
that
you
wish
to
speak
to
us
about
will
be
recognized
first
before
the
urban
design
commission
votes
on
each
item.
I
will
ask
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
speak,
anyone
speaking
will
be
given
three
minutes
to
speak
since
you
are
muted.
D
When
I
call
up
when
I
call
on
you,
please
unmute
yourself
on
a
phone,
you
will
press
star
six
and
then
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
before
you
speak
on
a
desktop
or
laptop.
You
will
hover
your
cursor
over
the
microphone
icon
to
remove
the
diagonal
red
line
for
anyone
speaking
today,
including
commission
members.
Please
identify
yourself
when
you
begin
to
speak.
If
we
lose
our
connection
for
the
meeting,
the
meeting
shall
be
stopped
and
reconvened
once
the
connection
is
restored.
D
If
communications
are
unable
to
be
restored
within
30
minutes,
items
remaining
for
consideration
will
be
continued
to
the
next
regularly
scheduled
urban
design.
Commission
meeting
scheduled
for
wednesday
october,
the
28th
2020
at
3
pm
by
video
conference.
The
agenda
documents
for
this
meeting
are
located
at
the
agenda.okc.gov.
D
C
G
H
D
Thank
you
and
I
will
need
some
staff
guidance
on,
shall
we
have
one
case
withdrawn
here?
Is
this
an
item
that
we'll
need
to
call
for
a
vote
on,
or
is
this
accepted,
as
is.
I
This
item
was
withdrawn
by
the
applicant.
It's
a
action
that
has
already
occurred
and
there's
no
case
to
consider
so
there's
no
action
necessary
by
the
commission.
It's
just
a
informational
item.
D
J
D
Yes,
if,
if
commissioners
would
take
a
moment
to
provide
video,
are
you
guys
able
to
see
me.
J
D
Okay,
we'll
move
along.
I
showed
that
there
are
no
continuance
requests
and
no
items
for
individual
no
items
on
the
consent,
docket,
which
will
move
us
to
the
cases
for
individual
consideration.
Michael,
do
you
want
to
give
us
the
information
on
udca19
ending.
G
I
Sure
this
is
a
case
to
develop
the
site
at
the
southwest
corner
of
north
classen
boulevard
and
northwest
30th
street,
addressed
at
3005
north
classen
into
a
laundromat
facility,
with
a
parking
lot
accompanying
it,
along
with
landscaping
and
various
elements,
including
screening
and
lighting,
and
trash
enclosure.
I
This
item
is
before
you
as
a
for
a
ca
approval
of
a
ca
request.
We've
analyzed
the
project
in
compliance
with
the
applicable
development
regulations
and
design
guidelines
for
the
project,
as
they
apply
here
in
the
asian
district
and
found
that
by
and
large
it
is
in
compliance
with
all
of
those
standards.
I
We
made
note
of
the
fact
that,
as
of
right
now,
there
are
no
buildings
around
this
area
that
are
built
with
the
metal
paneling.
That's
proposed
for
this
structure,
as
indicated
by
the
applicant,
but
we
also
wanted
to
make
note
of
the
fact
that
compatible
does
not
mean
it
has
to
match.
It
just
means
it
goes
along
with
whatever's
out
there
and
is
compatible
with
it,
and
we've
assessed
that
compatibility
for
this
project
and
feel
that
the
proposed
development
is
definitely
represents.
I
Aside
from
that,
the
project
is
in
complete
compliance
with
all
the
other
applicable
regulations
regarding
landscaping
and
parking
lot
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
therefore,
we've
recommended
that
the
commission
approve
this
item
and
that
completes
our
presentation.
We're
prepared
to
respond
to
any
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
L
D
K
K
With
that
this
will
be
our
fifth
and
we
have
a
six
that's
proposed
after
this
one
in
in
south
oklahoma
city
as
well,
so
that
you
know
the
the
question
about
the
the
brand
identity
or
the
materials
was
the
only
thing
that
we
kind
of
were
concerned
with,
and
we
worked
with
michael
on
and
we're
comfortable
with
that.
So
we're
hoping
that
you
know
it
meets
with
everyone's
approval.
So
we
can
move
forward.
D
Okay,
thank
you
mark.
Do
any
of
the
commission
members
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
or
for
staff.
B
Yes,
I
I
have
a
question
for
you:
have
you
been
able
to
reach
out
to
like
the
asian
district
and
some
of
the
business
owners
in
the
asian
district?
B
K
In
that
district
we,
quite
frankly
I
was-
I
was
a
little
bit
perplexed
as
to
what
what
it
was.
We
should
try
to
look
like,
because,
if
you,
if
you
go
through
that
area,
there's
a
there's,
a
really
wide
range
of
building
styles
and
things
that
I
think
what
we
are
proposing,
what
we've
already
built
our
location
in
stillwater
and
south
oklahoma
city,
so
you
can
actually
see
what
it
is.
K
This
would
look
like
I
feel
like,
even
though
it's
a
little
bit
different,
it
does
tend
to
lean
a
little
towards
the
industrial
or
a
bit
modern
appearance,
but
I
feel
like
it.
It
melds
pretty
well,
together
with
the
other
other
styles
of
building,
without
you
know,
going
with
one
particular
style
that
that
was
there,
because
that
was
difficult
for
us
as
far
as
reaching
out
to
any
of
our
neighbors
and
and
talking
to
them.
We
have
not
done
that.
It's
it's
been
pretty.
M
K
Known
for
a
while
that
we
were
proposing
to
build
that
facility
there,
a
lot
of
people
have
reached
out
to
me.
You
know
just
trying
to
find
out
when
it's
going
to
happen.
Things
like
that,
there's
not
there's
not
a
nearby
facility.
I
mean
we
re,
we
researched
it
pretty
well
when
we
made
the
offer
to
buy
that
property,
and
we
felt
like
it's
a
it's
something
that
will
fit
well
with
the
business
community.
That's
there,
it's
not
something!
That's
overly
served
location
wise.
K
I
think
we're
sitting
in
a
good,
a
good
position
to
help
that
help
that
part
of
the
city.
So
you
know
I
I
understand
it's.
It's
not
the
same.
Look
as
some
of
the
other
buildings
in
that
area
already,
but
to
to
try
to
come
up
with
something
that
would
fit
exactly
would
be
kind
of.
It
would
be
a
hard
example
to
follow.
B
K
Well,
the
I
mean
our
kind
of
our
standard,
for
that
was
the
facility
that
we
opened
in
stillwater
about
18
months
ago,
and
we
did
quite
a
bit
of
design
study
on
that
and
we
came
up
with
the
with
what
we.
It
was
just
the
appearance
that
we
liked
for
that
area.
And
again
we
repeated
it
at
our
southwestern
location
and.
K
It's
been
well
received,
it's
it's
a
not.
K
Style
of
building
now
and
there
there
are
the
number
of
examples
that
we've
located
within
oklahoma
city
that
have
been
built
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
That
kind
of
follow
that
that
style
and
we,
our
preference
all
along,
was
to
stay
with
that.
We
would
prefer
not
to
go
to
a
standard,
brick
and
mortar
appearance.
K
M
Bit
my
name
is
richard
starks,
I'm
the
architect
and
my
address
po
box,
2618,
blanchard
oklahoma
and
on
the
metal
panels.
I
don't
want
you
to
picture
like
a
standard
metal
building.
We've
done
some
other
things,
to
accent
with
accent,
colors
and
then
we've
run.
The
the
panel
profile
is
different
and
we've
also
run
the
panels
horizontal
instead
of
vertical.
So
it
doesn't
really
give
you
the
feel
of
what
you
can
your
concept
of
like
a
traditional
metal
building.
So
it's
arranged
differently.
I
Mr
chair,
I
do
want
to
point
out
to
the
commission
members
that
in
your
packet
right
after
the
application
form
that's
in
your
packet,
there
is
a
visual
that
was
provided,
courtesy
of
the
applicant.
That
shows
what
this
building
might
be,
might
look
like
if
it
were
built
out
of
cmu,
concrete
block
and
how
it
might
be
styled
using
that
material
to
still
carry
forth
their
their
brand.
I
However,
as
we
mentioned
in
our
staff
report,
we
did
favor
the
metal
over
the
concrete
block
and
there
are
just
so
everybody
knows
the
commission
knows
there
are
no
standards
in
the
asian
district
for
the
style
or
look
of
architecture
in
that
district.
There's
no
predilection
for
asian
themed,
styles
of
architecture,
or
anything
like
that,
so
the
applicant
just
kind
of
went,
went
along
with
whatever
the
guidelines
for
that
district
provide.
I
We
are,
I
think,
looking
to
the
future
to
have
specific
guidelines
for
asian
and
some
of
the
other
design
districts
that
come
under
the
ud
district.
But
at
this
time
the
standards
are
pretty
much
the
same
across
the
board
for
everything
in
ud,
including
23rd
street,
capitol
hill,
a
lot
of
those
areas
that
are
under
your
purview.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you,
as
the
commission
members,
were
all
aware
of
the
situation
with
regard
to
the
standards
for
architecture
in
this
area.
D
Thank
you
michael
for
that,
and
yes,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
I'm
clear
on
this.
I
reviewed
that
and
understood
it
as
a
true
plan
b
that
it
was
only
something
it
was
only
something
that
if
the
commission
had
an
issue
with
the
initial
design
that
we
would
write
correct
charles
correct
on
that.
M
And
under
normal
meeting
circumstances,
I
would
have
my
renderings
printed
on
a
board
to
bring
to
the
meeting.
We
have
them
printed
out
on
hard
copy
here
and
we
can
hold
it
up
in
front
of
the
camera.
If
you
would
like
to
see
the
two,
the
two
renderings
of
the
building.
D
We
have
them
in
our
in
our
packet,
commissioner,.
F
E
M
K
D
M
M
Which
is
it'll
be
the
exact
same
materials
that
are
in
that
photo
that
you
saw
of
59th
and
western.
G
F
Have
a
I
have
a
brief
question:
this
is
tyler
holmes,
one
of
the
commissioners
say
so
the
corner.
This
is
on
the
southwest
corner
of
classen
and
30th,
and
as
I'm
looking
at
this,
I
was
curious.
There's
an
existing
curb
cut
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
there
that
I
think
it
looks
like
it's
gonna
remain
as
is.
Is
that
the
intent
there
or
is
that
a
new
constructed
curb
cut
there.
M
The
okay,
so
the
one
that
is
on
class
and
is
that
the
one
you're
talking
about
the
one
that's
on
30th,
the
one
on
classes?
M
Okay,
so
the
one
that's
on
class
and
the
directly
south
of
the
stoplight
that
is
going
to
be
filled
in
so
there's
not
an
entrance
at
that
location.
The
entrance
is
farther
south
next
to
the
south
property
line.
F
I
M
I
I
B
N
Yes,
myself
does
my
name.
Is
this
name
on
the
screen?
Says
gabe
kerry?
That's
my
son!
This
is
his
computer.
My
name
is
peggy
same
last
name:
carrie
k-a-h-r-e,
we
own
1414
northwest
30th,
the
weiland
studio,
that's
been
there
since
1963
and
the
building
across
the
street
at
3100
north
classic.
N
I
N
L
L
K
L
M
D
M
And
then
the
entrance
that
comes
off
of
30
is
so
there's
a
there's,
a
vehicle
entrance
off
of
30th
and
then
one
off
the
classen.
We
have
no
way
to
tell
which
one
would
be
used
more.
My
feeling
is
that
most
people
drive
past
the
building
on
class
and
in
the
turn
in
the
south
side,
but
we
have
no
way
to
really
regulate
that
and
then
the
entrance
that
will
be
closest
to
your
property.
We've
left
a
grass
buffer
and
we've
I've
got
atlanta.
M
N
Okay,
all
right,
I'm
just
concerned
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
space
right
there
and
there
we
have
a
lot
of
kids
that
are
in
and
out,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody's
safe
intersection,
two
at
thirties
in
class
and
has
a
very
high
percentage
of
accidents.
We've
had
cars
run
into
our
building.
There's
a
lot
of
red
light
running.
I've
got
probably
a
dozen
photographs
over
the
last
two
just
two
years
of
really
serious
wrecks
on
that
intersection.
N
K
N
Right
so
we
moved
across
the
street
into
october
of
17.
We
still
own
the
14-14
and
we're
going
to
be
renovating
it
and
renting
it
out.
K
N
N
Northwest
corner
of
asian
district-
and
we
were
always
told
if
we
ever
remodeled,
we
had
to
use
an
asian
theme.
We've
been
told
that
for
for
years,
so
anyway,
that's
why
I
was
kind
of
surprised
that
that
wasn't
a
requirement.
But
if
it's
not,
then
it's
not.
I
This
is
michael
philbrick
staff
planner.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea,
a
perspective
of
how
far
the
building
is
from
your
property
line,
your
east
property
line,
yeah
the.
P
Q
Hi,
yes,
this
is
daniel
smith.
I
live
at
1419,
northwest
29th
street.
We
are
the
house
direct
well
almost
directly
caddy
corner
from
the
site.
I
I'm
overall
okay
with
the
the
intended
project.
M
As
far
as
I
know,
that
was
still
planted
as
an
alley
all
the
way
down.
I
might
be
mistaken
in
that,
so
I'm
not
100
sure
how
to
address
the
driveway
portion
of
this,
but
we
were
trying
by
by
putting
the
dumpster
enclosure,
we
were
trying
to
honor
segway
on
the
incoming
call.
G
M
Any
more
than
it's
probably
being
used
now
and
and
for
the
the
guidelines
it
would
be
in
an
enclosure
completely
with
gates
and
everything.
Q
Right,
okay
and
yes
to
your
point
regarding
the
alley,
I
believe
it
is
technically
still
a
public
way
as
there
are
utilities
in
there.
But-
and
you
did
say
you
would
have
landscaping
across
the
west
portion
to
screen.
M
Correct
we
have
a
grass
strip
and,
as
it
gets
closer
to
your
property
on
the
south
end
that
that
the
property
is
sort
of
l-shaped
to
the
west
and
on
once
you
get
to
the
western
part.
South
of
the
violin
studio,
I
think,
is
what
it
was.
As
you
get
farther
south
there's
grass
and
then
trees
planted
all
along.
That
is
a
as
a
shield.
Q
Okay,
all
right,
otherwise,
I'm
happy
to
see
that
this
vacant
lot
is
going
to
be
infilled.
So
I
believe,
that's
all
all
the
comments
I
had.
D
B
F
This
is
tyler
again,
I
actually
to
daniel's
comment
there.
I
I
kind
of
briefly
went
through
on
google
earth
of
that
alley.
It
is
a
little
rough.
I
don't
know
if
it
is
an
issue,
but
it
is,
it
looks
pretty
unkept
and
going
to
that
south
side.
That
looks
to
be
all
new.
F
I
mean
on
that.
It
may
be
something
to
look
into
to
potentially
redo
and
talk
to
some
of
them,
because
also,
as
you
bring
a
heavy
truck
through
there,
it
could
do
some
damage
to
some
of
that
access,
but
just
more
of
a
housekeeping
thing
make
it
easier
for
all
of
you
all
but
yeah.
My
impression
is
that
it
does
look
a
little
rough
of
how
they'd
access
that.
D
Thank
you
tyler.
Any
other
commission
members.
C
D
D
C
B
H
Yes,
sorry,
I
was
messing
with
the
other
one.
It's
saying
that
voting
isn't
but
yes
I'll
vote.
Yes,
okay,.
B
D
To
our
next
item,
michael,
if
you
want
to
give
us
a
an
overview
there.
I
Sure,
michael
felberg
associate
planner
with
current
planning
and
urban
design.
This
application
is
for
the
demolition
of
an
existing
residence
at
805
northwest
8th
street.
This
is
on
the
north
side
of
northwest
8th
street
between
chartel
avenue
and
francis
avenue.
I
I
Further
than
that,
on
the
going
on
from
the
demolition
to
the
proposed
new
structure,
we
have
a
couple
of
issues
with
respect
to
the
design
of
the
proposed
replacement
structure,
one
being
the
material
modules
on
the
structure
with
regard
to
the
spacing
of
the
joints
for
the
stucco
element
of
the
project,
as
well
as
the
use
of
cement
board
stucco
as
an
exterior
building
material.
I
Waive
the
guidelines
as
they
see
fit
on
both
points
staff
is
recommending
that
the
the
joints,
the
material
modules
with
the
joints
as
their
space
in
the
design,
along
with
the
use
of
cement
board
stucco,
is
appropriate
for
this
particular
structure,
in
that
it
has
been
used
in
other
material,
other
structures
that
have
been
built
in
the
cottage
district
before.
I
In
conclusion,
we
have
provided
for
you
a
recommendation
that
would
deny
the
application
on
the
basis.
The
project
does
not
meet
the
regulations
and
guidelines,
the
downtown
design
district-
and
this
is
primarily
due
to
the
fact
that
the
guidelines
do
say
that
we
should
try
to
preserve
and
rehabilitate
existing
structures
wherever
possible
and
it's
economically
feasible
and
we
think
there's
an
opportunity
there
for
that.
I
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
have
one
letter
that
we
received
late
last
week
with
respect
to
this.
It's
actually
an
email.
It's
a
very
brief
one.
I'm
going
to
read
it
into
the
record.
It's
from
mr
kevin
lee
at
8,
15,
northwest
8th
street.
In
regards
to
the
public
notice
of
public
hearing
for
udca20-00026.
I
We
find
the
design
and
the
look
of
the
new
duplex
plan
for
805
northwest
8th
street
to
be
pleasing
and
complementary
to
the
other
two
duplexes.
I
believe
the
new
duplex
will
spur
on
further
additions
to
our
sosa
neighborhood
on
8th
street.
The
old
house
is
dated
and
has
served
its
purpose
until
now.
Thank
you,
mr
lee,
at
8
15
8
west
northwest
8th
street.
D
Thank
you,
michael
and
before
I
ask
to
speak
or
hear
from
the
applicant.
I
want
to
see
if
we
can
get
some
guidance
here.
I
just
because
I
anticipate
that
from
the
letters
that
were
turned
in,
we
might
get
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
on
some
of
this
viable
economic
use
versus
economic
feasibility.
D
And
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
the
the
applicant
has
the
ability,
in
good
faith,
to
determine
whether
or
not
it's
economically
feasible.
But
when
we're
talking
about.
D
I
Yes,
it
is
subjective,
I
mean
the
the
code
lays
out
the
three
bullet
points
that
are
on
page
10
of
your
staff
report
that
describe
how
the
code
defines
no.
He
can
no
viable
economic
return.
I
L
Well,
other
than
to
say
that
mr
lee
has
gone
through
and
provided
documentation
basically
got
a
structural
engineer
to
review
the
existing
structure
and
make
his
recommendations.
He's
also
provided
a
cost
estimate
as
to
what
it
would
cost
to
rehab
the
project
and
what
the
potential
financial
obligations
are.
As
a
part
of
you
know,
his
application
to
demolish
the
existing.
D
Structure
are
there
any
questions
or
comments
from
commission
members.
D
If
there's
nothing
from
any
of
the
commission
members,
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
matter?.
E
I
am
bill
bleakley.
I
live
at
607
northwest
7th
street
and
I'm
appearing
as
president
of
the
sosa
neighborhood
association.
E
We
are
no
longer
able
to
do
what
we
have
done
in
the
past
and
that
there
had
to
be
a
week's
notice
to
it.
So,
in
fact,
the
day
that
the
notice
goes
out
is
the
day
that
we
had
to
give
a
response
to
the
board.
E
This
is
very
awkward.
We
submitted
a
very
detailed
three-page
letter
to
mr
philbrook
that
he
and
municipal
counselors
office
has
advised
can't
be
given
to
you
because
of
open
meeting
requirements,
the
gist
of
that
letter,
and
I
don't
want
to
burden
you
with
me
reading
it
is
in
the
cottage
district.
We
are
in
kind
of
a
conundrum.
E
We
have
these
historic
structures
such
as
this
example
of
the
bungalow
period,
which
the
cottage
district
was
created
to
protect
and,
in
essence,
what's
happening,
is
these
properties
are
being
allowed
to
deteriorate
and
use
as
a
basis
of
they
should
be
demolished
to
build
other
structures
because
of
their
condition?
E
We
have
a
very
innovative
creative
process
going
on
in
the
district
of
creating
modern
contemporary
houses
of
unusual
design.
Our
letter
also
expresses
that
the
design
of
this
structure
is
very
box,
like
with
very
undistinguishing
features
to
it,
even
comparing
it
to
the
duplexes
to
the
west.
Those
duplexes
have
balconies
porches,
rooftop
terraces
spiral
staircases
and
have
a
lot
of
surface
character
to
their
design.
E
Under
all
these
circumstances,
what
I
think
would
be
appropriate
is
for
us
to
request
a
continuance
of
this
to
the
next
meeting,
so
that
the
association
board
would
have
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
the
developer
to
discuss
these
issues.
E
So
in
essence,
the
board
would
like
to
have
these
structures
preserved,
but
the
process
that's
been
going
on
through
the
last
decade
is
a
slow
death
for
these
structures,
and
we
are
also
trying
to
encourage-
and
I
think
the
cottage
district
ordinance
provides-
that
there
should
be
design
issues
involved
that
makes
it
compatible
with
the
emerging
contemporary
development
of
the
sosa
neighborhood,
which
encompasses
the
cottage
district.
J
This
is
susan.
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
commission
know
that
if
they
want
to
see
that
letter,
we
are
able
to
share
that
letter
and
you
can
read
it
in
more
detail
on
on
your
own.
If
you
would
like
to
see
that,
I
think
mr
bleakley
did
a
good
job
of
summarizing
what's
in
that
letter,
but
we
do
have
that
that
ability
to
share
that
on
screen.
L
Yeah,
if
I
can
just
kind
of
respond
to
mr
bleakley's
comments,
sort
of
one
by
one,
the
first
one
is:
is
that
the
the
property
owner,
mr
lee,
doesn't
have
a
responsibility
to
go
through
the
neighborhood
association
and
seek
their
approval.
That's
what
this
panel
exists
for
the.
E
L
Item
the
the
criticism
of
the
project
being
box
like
in
shape,
mr
bleakley's
own
house,
is
very
box
like
if
you
look
at
95
of
the
new
construction
in
that
area
over
the
last
10
years.
It
is
all
box
like
even
some
of
the
historic
properties
that
have
pitched
rifts
on
them.
The
overall
massing
and
proportions
are
box-like
so
using
that
as
an
argument
that
it
doesn't
fit
within
the
context
of
the
neighborhood.
I
I
you
know
strongly
disagree
with.
L
L
You
know
the
the
very
very
simplistic
styling
and
detailing
of
the
project,
the
small
little
details
like
the
monk
bond
and
the
brickwork,
the
painted
pipe
railings
that
you'll
you'll
see
on
the
second
floor,
terrace
that
also
exist
on
adjacent
properties.
L
F
I
have
a
question
from
michael,
hey,
michael,
if,
if
a
one-story
building
were
to
be
designed
for
the
area,
as
is
to
be
built
new,
would
that
need
a
variance
or
urban
design
commission's
standards
for
the
associate
district.
I
F
Just
wondering
I
did
look
up,
I
think
bill's
house
and
I
think
his
is
one
story.
I
F
Observations,
so
this
is
actually
abides
by
the
urban
design
standards,
as
is
actually
more
applicably
than
I
think
the
rebuttal
on
that.
D
P
This
time,
I
I
do
want
to
make
just
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
design
aspect.
I
do
think
that
the
south-facing
facade
is
is
has
a
little
bit
more
character.
That's
maybe
a
little
more
consistent,
but
that
character
does
not
wrap
360
around
the
building.
I
realize
that's
the
front
and
that's
the
side.
That's
going
to
be
dominant
on
the
site,
but
the
west
side
to
adjacent
property
and
the
north
to
the
to
the
alley
is
definitely.
P
I
can
see
where
an
individual
on
a
design
review
committee
would
comment
on
the
fact
that,
although
all
of
these
structures
are
modern
in
character
and
form,
that
has
a
lack
of
detailing
or
at
least
a
lesser
degree
of
detailing
than
what
is
being
presented
on
the
front
facade.
P
I
think
the
part
facade
has
some
articulation
that's
similar
to
what's
in
the
balance
of
the
social
district
or
the
new
builds
within
the
social
district.
I
I'm
torn
as
well
because
I've
I
like
the
original
bungalow
quartz
style,
the
original
bungalow
airplane,
bungalow,
one-story
historic
structure,
it's
difficult
to
step
out
against
a
structural
engineer
and
make
comments
when
they
present
under
their
stamp
recommendations
and
guidance
to
the
stability
of
the
structure.
P
P
No,
there
is
no
requirement,
but
but
your
neighbors,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
necessarily
a
bad
thing
for
him
to
have
open
dialogue.
So
that's
that
statement.
I
also
realized
it
isn't
a
requirement
and
it's
not
something
that
we
can
hold
anybody
to
here,
or
at
least
I
don't
believe
that
we
can.
Council
can
tell
me
if
I
am
incorrect
about
any
requirement
for
dialogue
between
a
property
owner
and
the
neighborhood
design
review
committee,
but
otherwise
I
can.
I
can
see
the
site.
I
can
see
this
from
both
sides.
P
I
don't
necessarily
think
exception
to
the
south
facade
of
this
property,
the
north
facade
and
as
it's
facing
into
the
adjacent
property.
It's
pretty
spartan
in
any
kind
of.
P
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
definitely
am
reluctant
to
to
demo
sort
of
the
remaining
original
housing
stock.
I
think
a
big
part
of
the
character
neighborhood
is
that
there
is
the
old
and
the
new
kind
of
together.
I
don't
know
if
this
has
ever
been
done
before,
but
I'm
curious
if
there
would
be
a
way
to
build
a
new
structure
behind
an
existing
structure
and
do
a
do.
Do
you
add
to
the
density
of
the
neighborhood
while
also
maintaining
the
housings?
G
D
Members,
michael
I've
got
a
quick
question
here,
regardless
what
whatever
motion
we
get?
Are
we
separating
the
demolition
from
the
from
consideration
for
the
new
design.
I
D
Correct
if
there
are
no
other
comments
from
commission
members,
I
I
believe
we're
ready
to
take
a
motion,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
remind
you
all-
that
that
motion
may
be
to
continue
this-
to
give
time
for
the
applicant
to
get
with
the
district
and
see,
if
there's
some
more
harmonious
agreement
that
they
could
come
to.
P
But
for
staff
I
mean
if
we
were
going
to
make
a
motion
for
recommending
a
continuance.
Would
we
not
ask
the
applicant
first
if
they
would
be
willing
to
consider
that,
is
that
not
the
proper
protocol.
P
So,
just
before
we
go
into
a
motion
with
the
applicant,
taking
the
exception
to
a
continuance
on
this
item.
L
O
O
I
have
concerns
about
allowing
a
vacant
dilapidating
property
to
remain
in
existence
if
it
is
not
salvageable
and
based
on
the
engineers,
letters
that
I
read
in
the
attachments
it
appears
like
it
appears
that
this
is
not
an
economically
viable
there's,
not
economically
viable
way
to
to
repair
this
property
to
safe
and
current
living
conditions
is
what
I
took
away
from
that,
and
while
I
don't
have
a
preference
on
the
aesthetic
view
of
it,
of
the
proposed
hat,
a
duplex
I'll,
let
the
architects
and
designers
make
that
decision.