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From YouTube: Oklahoma City City Council - August 26, 2014
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The regular meeting of the Oklahoma City City Council for Tuesday, August 26, 2014
A
Well
good
morning
and
welcome
to
city
hall,
we're
going
to
get
started
with
the
invocation
and
the
pledge
of
allegiance
ray
griffin
is
the
pastor
at
quote:
springs
baptist
church
I'll.
Ask
him
to
lead
us
in
the
invocation
afterwards
I'll
ask
councilman
james
griner.
If
he'll
lead
us
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance,
would
everybody
please
stand.
B
Let
us
pray
together,
heavenly
father.
We
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
of
a
new
day.
I
thank
you
for
this
group
of
leaders
and
pray
that
you
would
give
them
the
wisdom
that
they
need
to
lead
our
fine
city.
We
thank
you
for
those
in
our
community
that
provide
care,
protection
and
direction
for
our
citizens.
B
We
do
pray
that
you
protect
and
provide
for
us
lord,
when
we
are
in
days
of
prosperity
and
blessing
or
when
difficulties
arise.
We
pray
that
you
would
continue
to
help
us
to
turn
to
you
and
look
to
you
in
all
things
your
kingdom
come
and
your
will
be
done.
We
pray
in
the
name
of
jesus
christ.
The
lord
amen,
amen.
A
C
A
A
We
have
the
honor
today
to
have
some
of
our
proud
firefighters
in
the
room
and
we
are
bringing
them
in
this
morning
to
announce
that
oklahoma
city
has
received
a
save
a
life
award
from
a
national
organization
and
steve
barnett
is
here
with
save
a
life
foundation
steve
if
you'll
come
up
like
we
got,
everybody
separated
and
let's
just
bring
up
all
the
firefighters,
and
I
want
you
to
acknowledge
and
and
notice,
as
I
did
just
how
the
physical
shape
of
these
young
men
as
they
come
forward.
I
mean
this.
A
This
is
an
impressive
group
of
people
and
I'm
not
surprised
that
at
the
heroics
that
you're
going
to
hear
about
here,
but
let
me
hand
the
microphone
over
to
to
steve
barnett
who
travels
the
country
and
occasionally
stops
in
at
city
halls
and
and
reminds
the
citizens
of
the
everyday
heroics
that
take
place
with
our
first
responders
steve.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
mayor
and
council.
What
our!
Basically
our
save
a
lot
program
is
I'm
with
a
company
called
ed,
bullard
company,
believe
it
or
not.
We
invented
a
hard
hat
we're
116
year
old
company,
we're
still
family
owned,
we're
fifth
generation
which
is
kind
of
unique
today's
world,
and
we
and
we
manufacture
fire
helmets
and
thermal
imaging
for
the
fire
service.
D
What
in
1998
they
came
up
with
a
program
called
the
save
a
life
program.
So
if
a
firefighter
a
crew
saves
a
life,
what
we
do
is
we
come
out,
recognize
them
and
give
them
a
plaque
to
show
that
they
save
the
life
which
understanding
it's
a
very
important
task,
because
that
person
may
have
just
got
married
or
may
have
just
had
kids
or
something
like
that
by
these
guys,
saving
that
guy's
life
it
changes
all.
If
he
would
have
passed
away,
it
would
have
changed
the
whole
dynamics
of
the
whole
thing.
D
E
Well,
on
back
in
march
march,
9th
of
this
year,
our
station
8,
that's
located
in
pakintown
on
1934
exchange,
responded
to
a
fire
and
they
were
certain
kept
getting
reports
from
dispatch
that
they
were
certain.
Someone
was
still
in
this
structure,
so
when
these
guys
showed
up
with
their
engine
company
and
the
rescue
company,
they
knew
that
they
were
possibly
going
to
have
to
have
to
get
in
there
quick
to
make
a
difference
and
they
did
and
it's
something
they
do
every
day
they
did
not.
E
You
know,
say:
hey
we
saved
this
guy's
life
or
anything.
I
had
almost
dragged
out
of
them.
What
happened
so
they're
very
humble
about
doing
this.
They've
they've
made
entry,
they
split
their
crew
up
and
did
a
search
without
the
protection
of
the
hand
line
they
had
their
engine
company.
That
was
actually
trying
to
suppress
the
fire
and
there
was
very
heavy
fire
involvement
in
the
back
of
the
structure.
E
There
was
no
visibility
in
there.
It's
not
like
the
movies.
When
you
go
in
it's
your
vision
is
obscured.
So
that's
what
they
use.
These
thermal
imaging
cameras
for
is
to
see
through
the
smoke,
and
we
believe
that
these
thermal
engineering
cameras
makes
it
much
easier
for
us
to
do
our
job
not
get
disoriented
in
the
fire
and
actually
find
people.
E
E
The
smoke
was
so
dense
and
it
has
a
very
toxic
gases
and
hydrogen
cyanide
among
one
of
those
that
used
to
be
used
in
the
gas
chamber.
If
you
understand
that
there's
only
a
certain
level
of
that
that
you
can
take
into
your
lungs
before
you're
going
to
expire,
and
so
we
we
truly
believe
that
this
would
not
have
been
successful
if
they
couldn't
have
brought
this
individual
out.
That
quick,
I
mean
it
was
a
30
to
40
second
get
in
there.
E
They
found
him
immediately,
like
I
said,
30
to
40
seconds
in
a
structure.
You've
never
been
in.
That
was
a
little
cluttered
and
so
that
that's
something
that
we
truly
believe
the
thermal
imagers
have
helped
us
since
march
and
this
year
in
may
all
of
our
engine
companies,
our
chiefs,
cars
and
our
ladders,
have
have
a
thermal
imager
on
there
and
they
do
more
than
just
help
us
search
for
victims.
E
C
C
E
A
When
you
never
know
when
they're
going
to
need
it,
but
when
they
need
it,
we
they've
got
the
equipment
and
the
tools
they
need,
and
so
this
is
a
perfect
opportunity
for
us
to
expose
how
those
dollars
are
spent
and,
at
the
same
time
draw
attention
to
some
of
the
bravest
people
in
oklahoma
city.
So
let's
show
our.
A
Coming
we
are
entering
september
and
september
is
senior
center
month
in
the
city
of
oklahoma
city,
and
I
see
we
have
a
lot
of
seniors
who
have
joined
us
today.
Jennifer
lindsay
mcclintock
is
here:
I
don't
there.
She
is
back
there.
Jennifer
come
up,
bring
your
group
with
you,
so
we
can
expose
the
incredible
senior
centers
that
are
available
in
oklahoma
city
and
see
if
we
can't
get
more
people
out
to
take
advantage
of
the
opportunities
we
have
a
proclamation.
Ask
the
clerk
to
read
it
as
we
get
settled.
F
Whereas
older
americans
are
significant
members
of
our
society
who
invest
their
wisdom
and
experience
to
enrich
the
lives
of
younger
generations,
whereas
every
day
some
eleven
thousand
four
hundred
senior
centers
across
america
serve
more
than
one
million
older
adults
offering
an
engaging
array
of
opportunities
to
help
them
live
more
fulfilling
lives.
Whereas
the
city
of
oklahoma
city
operates
the
woodson
park,
senior
activity
center
located
at
3401,
south
may
avenue,
and
the
will
rogers
senior
activity
center
located
at
3501.
F
Pat
murphy
drive,
whereas
through
an
array
of
services,
programs
and
activities,
oklahoma,
city's
senior
centers
empower
older
citizens
to
contribute
to
the
health
and
well-being
of
themselves
and
others.
Whereas
oklahoma
city
senior
centers
also
serve
as
catalysts
for
mobilizing
the
creativity,
energy,
vitality
and
commitment
of
older
residents.
F
Whereas
oklahoma
city
senior
center
centers
affirm
the
dignity,
self-worth
and
independence
of
older
persons
by
facilitating
their
decisions
and
actions,
tapping
their
experiences,
skills
and
knowledge
and
enabling
their
continued
contributions
to
the
community,
whereas
the
national
council
of
aging
annually
recognizes
september
as
national
senior
center
month
and
has
established
senior
centers
experts
at
living.
Well,
as
the
theme
for
this
year's
observance
now,
therefore,
mick
cornett,
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
oklahoma
city,
does
hereby
proclaim
the
month
of
september
2014
as
senior
center
month
in
oklahoma
city.
A
A
G
A
lot
of
arts
out
front
are
paintings
that
these,
ladies
and
men
did
so
a
lot
of
sculpture,
painting
a
lot
of
exercise
that
you
do
that
they
do
weight,
room,
tai,
chi,
yoga
dancing,
they
gather
for
social.
We
provide
educational
activities
mark
back
there
for
the
firemen,
who's
filming
comes
to
our
spanish
class.
G
A
A
And,
as
you
know,
school
has
started
in
the
oklahoma
city
area
and
we
are
beginning
once
again
our
monthly
commitment
to
expose
some
of
the
brightest
and
best
teachers
in
the
oklahoma
city
area,
and
I
want
meredith
ziggler
to
come
forward.
Meredith
come
on
up.
Meredith
is
our
teacher
of
the
month
for
august,
but
she
is
also
the
teacher
of
the
year
for
the
oklahoma
city
school
district.
So
let's
show
our
appreciation.
F
And
then
she
shares
what
she
learns
with
her.
Colleagues,
whereas
meredith
ziegler
actively
pursues
relationships
with
the
parents
of
her
students
and
seeks
to
involve
them
in
their
child's
education.
Now,
therefore,
be
resolved
by
the
mayor
and
council
of
the
city
of
oklahoma
city
that
they
do
hereby
recognize
and
commend.
Meredith
ziegler
on
her
selection.
As
august
2014
teacher
of
the
month
by
the
oklahoma
city,
public
schools
and
the
rotary
club
of
oklahoma
city.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
to
the
members
of
the
city
council
for
having
me
here
today,
I'm
so
honored
to
be
here.
One
of
the
things
that
I
love
most
about
teaching
in
oklahoma
city
is
the
ways
in
which
this
city
rallies
around
its
students.
It's
not
just
a
teacher's
responsibility
or
a
parent's
responsibility
to
help
our
kids
succeed.
H
A
A
I
I
have
a
question
comment.
Rather,
the
actual
resolution
complied
with
our
previous
blanket
resolution
about
the
authorization.
So
I
think
it's
you
did
exactly
what
we
asked
people
to
do
and
see
the
actual
resolution.
It
has
those
numbers
in
it,
and
I've
talked
to
city
manager
about
getting
some
kind
of
way
to
get
those
numbers
in
our
memo.
So
we
can
have
a
better
foundation
for
our
votes.
I
move
approval.
Okay,.
A
A
J
Mayor
on
page
13,
on
the
consent,
docket
under
item
aw
6aw,
we
asked
that
that
be
stricken
and
they'll
be
brought
back
at
a
later
date
and
6aw
on
page
13.,
then
moving
to
page
27
under
unsecured
buildings,
item
8
am
item.
I
5100
north
michigan.
We
have
that
be
stricken.
The
owner
has
secured
item
l
1946
west
park.
Where
should
that
be
stricken?
The
owner
has
secured
item
m
3212
south
post.
Where
should
that
be
stricken?
The
owner
has
secured
item?
U
827
northwest
17th
street.
We
asked
that
be
stricken.
J
A
A
All
right
cast
your
votes
it
passed
unanimously
will
adjourn.
The
oc
mfa
convene
is
the
oklahoma
city,
public
property
authority,
four
items
all
right
cast
your
votes
on
the
ppa
it
passes
unanimously
will
adjourn
the
ocppa
convenience,
the
oklahoma
city,
environmental
assistance,
trust
just
the
claims
and
payroll.
Today,
castro
votes
it
passed
unanimously
will
adjourn
the
oceat
reconvene,
the
council
meeting
with
the
consent
docket
all
right
mayor.
We
have
a
couple
of
presentations.
We.
J
K
K
If
anyone
has
any
questions
any
way
through
the
process,
then
please
feel
free
to
jump
in
at
any
point.
So
the
vehicle
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
a
modern
street
car
system.
It
is
primarily
operated
on
a
wired
system
with
overhead
power
and
a
pantograph
picking
up
the
power,
but
it
has
wireless
components.
So
the
system
can
operate
wirelessly
for
periods
of
time
and
then
operate
on
the
wire
for
the
rest
of
its
time.
K
K
However,
we
are
looking
to
have
additional
wireless
capability
on
the
vehicles,
as
I
said
that
the
technology
is
evolving
quite
quickly,
so
in
the
rfp,
we're
looking
to
understand
exactly
what
manufacturers
can
achieve
with
wireless
capability
and
how
that
might
benefit
the
system
as
a
whole
as
it's
developed,
the
vehicle
charging
will
take
place
while
it's
operating
on
the
wires.
So
there
is
no
proprietary
technology
involved
in
here.
The
vehicle
will
charge
while
it's
on
wire
operate
off
wire
and
then,
when
it
goes
back
on
wire
will
recharge.
While
it
continues
in
operation.
K
Just
to
give
you
a
couple
of
key
parameters
on
the
vehicles.
Obviously
the
off-wire
capability
I've
mentioned
at
length.
This
is
a
modern
streetcar,
we're
not
looking
at
any
retro
types
of
vehicles.
This
is
a
very
modern
vehicle
and
it
is
fully
compliant
with
ada
regulations.
So
we
have
level
boarding
capabilities
for
using
platforms
that
will
butt
up
against
the
side
of
the
vehicle
so
that
the
vehicle
is
fully
accessible
for
everybody.
K
We
have
a
range
of
vehicle
dimensions
that
you'll
see
up
here.
The
reason
that
we
have
so
many
different
automatic
ranges
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
access
to
as
many
of
the
possible
manufacturers
of
this
type
of
vehicle
that
are
in
the
industry
at
the
moment.
And
so
we
have
a
width
for
a
variety
that
the
different
manufacturers
have.
K
We
have
a
height
restriction,
which
obviously
is
driven
by
the
need
to
get
underneath
the
bridges,
which
is
a
critical
parameter
for
the
system,
and
then
we
have
varying
lengths,
depending
on
the
way
that
the
manufacturers
configure
their
vehicles.
So
the
capacity
of
the
vehicle
is
driven
by
a
combination
of
the
width
and
the
length
and
then
obviously
the
height
is
a
clearance
issue
for
for
the
system
as
a
whole
to
talk
about
the
rfp
itself
rather
than
the
technical
side
of
the
vehicles.
K
What
is
very
important
for
us
here
is
to
get
as
competitive
a
process
as
possible
and
therefore
we
want
to
engage
as
many
suppliers
as
we
can
from
the
industry.
So
we've
written
the
specification
in
a
way
that
meets
the
performance
parameters
that
we
have,
but
it
hasn't
tied
us
down
to
any
one
requirement.
That
would
exclude
people
from
proposing
on
this
type
of
vehicle,
having,
as
many
people
proposing,
is
going
to
get
us
a
more
competitive
price.
K
K
The
budgetary
goals
of
the
system
have
been
very
important
as
we've
gone
through
the
development
of
the
rfp.
We
looked
at
a
number
of
different
technologies
for
the
this
type
of
vehicle,
as
we
were
developing
the
specification
and
there
are
a
number
of
ways
of
having
off-wire
capability
different
charging
systems.
K
Obviously,
the
infrastructure
impact
of
the
vehicles
is
another
aspect
of
this,
and
the
dimensions
are
critical
for
making
sure
we
can
not
only
clear
the
bridges
but
also
fitting
down
some
of
the
streets
in
the
system
and
also
what
the
power
demands
are.
So
what
we'll
need
from
an
infrastructure
point
of
view
to
support
the
powering
of
the
vehicle
as
it
travels
so
looking
at
the
the
key
submittal
requirements
for
the
proposers.
Obviously,
there
is
a
technical
specification
that
they
have
to
comply
with.
K
K
Also,
it's
very
important
to
us
to
understand
the
technical
risk
so
as
part
of
the
evaluation
process,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
technical
proposals
that
the
manufacturers
are
coming
up
with
what
sort
of
risk
we
see
in
their
proposals.
Obviously
that
comes
back
to
our
concerns
about
schedule,
control
and
and
budget
being
kept
under
control,
so
understanding
what
risk
there
is
in
there,
and
also
whether
there
are
any
proprietary
issues
associated
with
the
technologies
they're
using.
K
We
don't
want
to
get
in
a
situation
where
we're
using
some
technology,
which
is
owned
by
one
manufacturer
and
we're
effectively
beholden
to
them.
For
anything
we
might
want
to
do
in
the
future,
so
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we're
managing
the
risk
for
the
future
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
So
those
will
be
key
elements
in
understanding
the
proposals
and
evaluating
the
proposals
when
we
receive
them.
K
So,
lastly,
just
to
explain
what
the
next
steps
are
for
for
the
rfp
process,
I
won't
read
through
these
all
you
can
all
read
as
well
as
I
can,
and
but
just
to
explain
the
the
key
elements
of
this.
We
will
issue
the
rfp.
If
it
is
approved,
there
will
be
a
pre-bid
meeting,
so
all
of
the
manufacturers
will
not
only
be
invited,
they
will
be
required
to
come
up
and
we
will
explain
exactly
what
the
system
is.
They
will
have
a
chance
to
question
us
about
about
the
system
at
that
time.
K
We
will
then
have
a
q
a
at
period
during
the
rfp
when
they
can
submit
clarifications
or
if
they
see
something
where
they
think
it's
restrictive
against
them.
We
can
evaluate
whether
we're
able
to
amend
that
without
impeding
any
of
the
other
proposers,
and
then
we
will
ultimately
receive
the
proposals,
carry
out
a
thorough
evaluation
of
those
proposals
and
then
come
to
a
recommendation
about
an
approved
supplier
which
will
then
come
through
the
normal
city
approval
process.
K
K
It's
an
international
market,
so
we
anticipate
that
of
the
vehicle
type
we're
looking
at,
there's,
probably
in
the
region
of
10
manufacturers
that
could
propose
on
this.
How
many
will
we'll
have
to
wait
and
see
how
many
show?
First
of
all,
at
the
manchester
proposal,
meeting
streetcar
orders
are
relatively
small
compared
to
other
types
of
rail
vehicle.
I
mean
we're
looking
at
five
and
that's
not
uncommon,
and
so
for
manufacturers.
Often
it's
a
question
of
whether
the
requirements
are
difficult
for
them
and
the
size
of
the
order
justifies
it.
K
I
K
The
if
you
want
to
go
entirely
off-wire,
then
you're,
looking
at
different
charging
technologies
than
what
we're
talking
about
here
and
we
have
folk.
We
looked
at
those
as
part
of
the
rfp
and
we
decided
to
go
with
charging
from
the
overhead
wire.
So
a
proposal
like
that
would
not
be
compliant
with
the
way
we've
written
the
specification
and-
and
that
was
part
of
our
our
thinking
as
we
went
through
the
spec
development
as
to
whether
that
would
be
beneficial.
K
J
J
Our
state
law
doesn't
allow
us
to
do
that,
and
so
because
of
that,
we're
going
to
procure
the
cars
and
then
design
the
system
around
them,
not
unheard
of,
but
but
that's
probably
not
the
the
prevalent
way
that
these
are.
These
are
built.
But
boy
we've
had
a
lot
of
people
engaged
consultants.
The
team,
with
with
jacobs,
engaged
with
our
our
staff
and
adg,
along
with
the
countless
hours
that
have
been
put
in
by
the
maps
oversight
board
and
then
are
the
maps,
the
transit
subcommittee
and
then
also
with
the
maps
oversight
board.
L
L
J
One
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
when
maps
3
was
passed.
The
modern
streetcar
component
of
it
there
weren't
a
lot
of
cities
that
were
doing
that
to
steal
a
term
from
from
dr
shady.
We
were
a
bit
of
an
outlier,
but
we're
not
anymore.
Everybody
seems
to
be
doing
modern
street
cars.
I
mean
they're,
just
lying,
it's
every
every
city.
That's
that's
got
an
urban
urban
energy
to
it
has
seemed
as
a
one
either
they
want
it.
It's
in
design,
it's
in
construction,
it's
somewhere
along
the
line.
J
M
K
There
are
some
that
have
substantial
portions
of
off
y
using
some
proprietary
technologies,
but
tend
to
be
getting
back
onto
power
systems
as
they
get
away
from
centers
of
cities.
Things
like
that,
but
but
yeah
totally
off-wire,
I'm
not
aware
personally
of
of
one
that
is
in
operation
at
the
moment.
I.
M
I
guess
and
then
the
to
the
philosophical
question
from
that
statement
of
where
we
are.
Why
is
it
not
a
a
good
strategy
to
include
the
option?
Should
somebody
come
along
with
one
that's
totally
off-wire
way,
I
heard
what
you
said
was
that
that
would
not
be
considered
as
being
responsive
to
the
rfp
yeah.
Why
wouldn't
we
just
throw
that
out
there
to
see
if
somebody
does
have
something
that
we
don't
know
about,
or
is
in
the
process
of
developing
something
that
could
still
meet
the
requirements
that
you
so
articulated?
K
Now,
well,
I
I
totally
understand
what
you're
talking
about,
because
that's
exactly
the
process
that
we
went
through
and
we
have
been
looking
at
what
the
rest
of
the
industry
is
doing.
I
mean
manufacturers
are
regularly
pointing
out
what
their
development
programs
look
like,
so
our
team
has
been
involved
in
understanding
what
industry
is
proposing
at
the
moment.
Really
it
comes
back
to
the
the
two
key
concerns
that
I
mentioned
earlier
on,
which
is
schedule
and
budget.
K
So
the
reason
that
we
we
evaluated
those
solutions
and
then
came
to
the
solution
that
we
that
we've
included
in
the
technical
specification
is
about
maintaining
schedule
and
maintaining
budget.
So
we
we
did
consider
exactly
what
you
were
talking
about
and
we
concluded
that
it
wasn't
a
good
approach
for
the
city.
J
K
Absolutely,
and
and
to
your
point,
we
actually
were
far
more
focused
on
the
off-wire
technologies,
as
we
as
we
were
starting
the
development
process.
It
was
only
as
we
sort
of
got
into
evaluating
the
schedule
and
the
budget
risks
associated
with
them
that
we
concluded
that
it
was
not
going
to
fit
with
the
overall
project
needs,
but
we
knew
that
there
was
significant
interest
in
that
and
and
the
technology
is
moving
in
that
direction,
but
we
just
concluded
that
it
wasn't
an
appropriate
place
in
the
market
at
the
moment
to
do
it.
Okay,.
A
J
Much
the
next
item
presentation
is
on
on
the
whitewater
facility.
Obviously
we
all
know
that
those
bids
came
in
higher
than
we
desired
and
and
mike
mize
and
david
todd
and
scott
shipley
are
here
this
morning,
going
to
start
off
with
scott
shipley's
with
s2o,
who
are
the
designers
of
the
project
and
by
the
way
sitting
in
the
front
row
is
the
chairman
of
the
maps
for
oversight
board
tom
mcdaniel.
N
Good
morning,
as
you're
probably
aware,
the
the
maps
3
whitewater
facility
came
in
over
budget
and
as
soon
as
we
received
the
bids,
the
maps
office
in
conjunction
with
adg
and
s2o
got
together,
and
we
started
looking
at
different
options
of
how
we
could
bring
this
project
into
within
budget
and
we
we
came
up
with
a
whole
lot
of
ideas.
Some
of
them
is
as
big
as
removing
one
of
the
entire
channels,
and
things
like
that.
N
N
O
O
Just
to
give
you
some
context
about
where
the
the
current
bid
puts
us
in
relation
to
all
three
of
those
david
said,
we
came
up
with
three
options.
We
did.
I
think,
you're
aware
that
the
option
number
one
is
the
option
that
has
been
recommended
by
both
the
subcommittee
and
the
advisory
board
and
I'll.
Just
briefly
describe
the
three
options
that
we
made
available
to
those
two
committees.
O
Option
number
one
would
award
the
bid
to
the
current
low
bidder
once
that
bid
is
once
that
contract
has
been
awarded.
We
would
have
the
ability
to
go
in
and
value
engineer
that
contract
with
that
bidder
to
try
to
reduce
the
amount
of
their
contract.
There's
a
we've.
We
and
adg
the
maps
office
s2o,
the
architect
of
record,
have
looked
at
this.
We
think
that
there
may
be
a
potential
savings
of
up
to
four
million
dollars.
O
Option
number
two
would
be
to
leave
the
two
courses,
the
recreational
course
and
the
competition
course
exactly
the
way
they
are
separately
bid,
those
from
the
buildings,
the
buildings
would
then
be
redesigned
and
when
you
add
the
potential
savings
in
the
building
redesign
to
the
potential
four
million
dollars
in
savings
that
would
flow
through
from
option
one
to
option.
Two
there's
a
possible
six
million
dollars
in
savings
because
that
project
would
have
to
be
redesigned.
O
O
O
O
The
this
slide
shows
you
a
comparison
of
what
the
current,
what
the
the
low
and
and
the
other
two
bids
were
compared
to
the
actual
construction
budget
in
the
maps
three
budget,
the
actual
construction
budget
is
the
19840
which
you
see
all
the
way
across
the
low
bid
was
downey
contracting
at
33
million
four
hundred
and
sixteen
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
for
a
difference
of
thirteen
million
five.
Seventy
five.
O
So
if
you
compare
that
bid
to
the
overall
whitewater
project
with
all
of
the
components
in
it,
including
land
acquisition,
site,
prep,
a
e
testing
and
contingency,
the
the
we've
used
that
same
budget
that
same
bid,
number
of
33
million
416
000
alternate
six
by
the
way,
with
some
kitchen
equipment,
which
was
a
deduct
of
189
000,
which
we
chose
to
use
for
for
these
purposes
to
lower
that
price.
A
little
bit
the
difference
in
the
overall
whitewater
project
rather
than
13.
O
The
13
million
I
showed
on
the
previous
slide
is
15
million,
because
the
land
acquisition
actually
cost
more
than
was
originally
thought
and
when
the
whitewater
construction
budget
was
increased
to
from
16
to
23
million
the
architectural
fees
increase
proportionately.
So
those
are
the
two
reasons
that
you
see
a
difference
between
the
previous
slide
and
this
slide.
O
The
four
million
dollars
that
we
talked
about
before,
assuming
that
it
it
can
be
achieved-
and
we
have
a
fairly
high
level
of
confidence
that
that
could
be
achieved-
would
bring
the
entire
project
back
into
budget
the
entire
river
projects
back
into
budget.
But
once
again
it
would
eliminate
some
other
potential
projects
that
that
had
been
planned
previously.
O
P
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
face
to
a
name
on
what
these
these
changes
make
and
so
we'll
start
off
with
the
first
slide,
which
shows
the
project
as
bid
go
ahead
and
hop
it
forward.
One
this.
This
shows
the
project
as
bid
it's
a
two
channel
two
separate
channels
coming
out
of
the
top
pool
into
a
combined
channel,
the
freestyle
channel,
which
is
in
front
of
the
main
buildings
the
buildings
fit
into
the
boathouse
row,
which
is
off
to
the
west
of
the
image
shown
here.
P
There
is
a
pump
station
which
pushes
that
water
from
the
bottom
pool
up
to
the
top
pool
when
we
go
into
the
cost
reduction.
There's
this
value
engineering
has
no
real
reduction
in
the
core
scope.
It's
red!
It's
reductions
to
to
finishes
some
of
the
things
you
can
see
that
are
deducted.
Some
are
not
we've
gone.
We've
not
taken
the
alternates
on
the
additional
bridges.
P
We've
gone
to
pre-fabricated
bridges,
as
opposed
to
the
custom
bridges
that
were
designed.
We've
taken
out
the
fountain
in
some
places
we
had
sort
of
a
belt
and
suspenders
approach
to
the
engineering.
We
were
conservative.
We've
gone
in
and
made
adjustments
to
those
to
make
them
easier
to
construct
and
easier
to
implement
for
the
contractor,
and
so
we
we
think
that
we
can
realize
some
significant
cost
reductions
there.
P
Another
option
that
we
looked
at
this
was
the
option
that
was
approved
by
the
way
option,
one
by
the
river
subcommittee,
as
well
as
the
advisory
board.
When
we
go
into
the
other
options
that
were
presented.
The
second
option
took
all
of
those
value
engineerings
from
option
one.
It
also
included
great
reductions
or
removals
to
the
buildings
to
essentially
provide
only
the
core
services
restrooms
ticket
booths
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so
it's
a
very
significant
reduction
in
in
the
function
and
size
of
those
buildings.
P
P
If
you
take
away
the
the
restaurant,
we
haven't
seen
the
exact
numbers
from
a
similar
park
in
charlotte,
but
we
believe
that
they
make
between
two
and
three
million
dollars
in
their
restaurant
alone
in
a
year,
and
so
it's
a
significant
deduct
when
you
take
that
out
in
terms
of
the
operating
ability
going
forward.
Do.
P
What
you
would
be
looking
at
then,
is
having
that
many
people
on
your
site
providing
the
restrooms
in
this
minimum
building
thing.
You'd
have
the
restrooms
in
the
ticket
booth,
but
you
wouldn't
have
the
restaurant
and
the
hospitality
things
that
you
would
typically
require
for
that
type
of
an
event.
P
In
addition,
you'd
have
as
many
as
10
to
20
000
people
over
the
course
of
a
busy
week,
and
in
that
sense
you
also
would
need
this
hospitality
as
well.
This
hosting
component
moving
forward.
We
also
looked
at
option
three
option:
three
shorten
the
channels
and
you
have
to
kind
of
look
through
the
the
image.
P
That's
there,
the
the
color
image
is
the
the
option
as
bid
or
the
the
project
as
bid
the
lines
within
it
show
a
shortened
channel
at
the
upstream
end
on
the
east
side
and
a
shortened
channel
as
well
on
the
downstream
end
at
the
west
side.
This
takes
all
of
the
benefits
of
this
option.
Three,
all
the
benefits
of
options,
one
and
two,
and
in
addition,
we
have
shortened
the
channels
so
there's
some
savings
realized
there
as
well.
P
O
The
other
thing
to
to
note
is
that,
if
options,
two
and
three
were
selected,
they
involve
redesign
and
rebidding
of
the
project,
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
simply
because
they
would
be
re-bid
does
not
mean
that
they
would
come
in
at
a
lower
price.
Bidding
is
a
that.
The
timing
of
bidding
is
something
that
we
can't
control.
We
can't
control
what
market
conditions
are.
O
Q
A
P
P
That's
there
in
terms
of
the
aesthetics
that
are
out
there,
but
in
terms
of
real
function,
no
impact
and
same
with
the
prefabricated
bridges
they're
of
equal
quality.
Other
things
such
as
some
of
the
changes
to
the
actual
shape
of
the
concrete
you
you
may
have
wear
and
tear
in
additional
operating
costs
in
terms
of
wear
and
tear
on
the
landscape,
but
in
the
long
run
you
have
to
handle
that
operationally.
It's
it's
it's
something
that
can
be
handled
operationally.
P
L
Yeah,
I
guess
just
one
more
comment
in
it
other
than
shrinking
the
size
of
the
course
and
greatly
modifying
the
building
structures,
nothing
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
value
engineering
like
the
waterfall
or
the
grandstand
or
the
phase,
four
additional
lighting.
None
of
those
things,
I'm
gonna
use
a
double
negative,
which
I
don't
mean
to,
but
any
of
those
things
could
be
put
back
into
the
project
at
some
point
in
the
future.
O
I
think
a
lot
of
the
some
of
those
things
could
be
changing
out.
A
bridge
may
be
a
little
difficult
just
because
to
get
the
equipment
in
to
do
it
construct
it.
The
the
disruption
that
might
occur
might
result
in
a
significant
premium
for
that,
but
some
of
the
other
things
could
be
done
at
a
later
date.
If
that
were
the
case,
I
think
it's
also
important
to
to
note.
At
this
point.
We've
talked
about
value
engineering.
I
I
I
O
We
do
make
some
of
those
assumptions,
but
I
think
the
maps
process
and
the
city
have
been
through
this
before
we
are
making
the
assumption
that
the
contract,
well,
we
have
through
scott
shipley
through
his
experience,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
knowledge
about
what
individual
items
are
worth
us
well
to
us
and
to
the
contractor.
I
don't.
I
don't.
I
Agree
with
that,
no
premise,
I
think
the
contract
this
process
seems
to
set
up
a
whole
lot
of
disagreements
about
what
a
piece
of
equipment's
worth,
removing
it
from
the
contract,
and
so
I
I
really
think
we're
on
thin
ice
as
we
go
forward
with
this
process.
But
having
said
that,
I
won't
say
anything
else,
because
the
council
get
angry.
L
Pat
I've
tried
to
kind
of
liken
this
to
the
process
we
went
through
with
the
sports
facilities
tax
in
the
arena.
In
terms
of
you
know,
our
collections,
we
had
a
plan
and
our
collections
came
in
less
than
we
thought
they
were
and
ably
led
by
you.
The
committee
did
a
fantastic
job
value
engineering
that
project
down
to
get
a
great
result
within
the
budget
that
we
had
available,
but.
I
S
S
I
know
that
you
do
because
you
appointed
them
and
you
selected
them,
and
I
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in
the
citizens
advisory
board.
It's
made
up
of
people
with
significant
business
experience
that
have
been
through
these
processes
before,
as
have
I,
we
looked
at
all
of
these
options
and
we
decided
on
a
path
that
we
thought
would
provide
certainty
because
we
we
knew
what
we
were
faced
with
here.
We
thought
the
ultimate
decision
was:
would
we
rather
have
the
the
centerpiece
of
the
river
projects
done
substantially?
S
As
we
told
the
voters,
we
would
do
it
because
it
is
the
revenue
producing
piece
and
we
know
that
we
will
get
it
substantially
as
we
represented
it
under
the
option
that
we
are
presented
to
you,
and
we
know
that
we
will
not
have
the
windscreens
or
the
grandstand.
Those
are
the
things
that
are
included
in
option
four,
and
we
decided
that
the
signature
piece
of
the
river
projects
was
more
important
to
us
than
the
other.
S
And
so
we
tried
to
decide
on
a
way
on
a
plan
forward.
And
that's
what
we've
brought
you.
We
understand
we're
just
recommending
body
and
we
understand
you're
the
decision
makers,
but
for
all
of
us
who
have
been
working
on
it
for
these
past
three
and
a
half
years
and
looking
at
it
carefully
every
month.
S
We
we
all
support
the
idea
of
option
one
I
understand
as
a
businessman.
It
might
look
as,
though
reject
all
the
bids
and
start
again
that
for
us
we
decided
to
take
a
path
of
certainty
so
that
we
would
deliver
the
signature
piece
that
we
hope
to
be
able
to
do.
We
think
that
re-bidding,
it
would
cause
uncertainty
with
absolutely
no
guarantee
of
anything
being
any
better.
We
would
run
the
risk
of
having
no
bids.
S
We
know
that
the
people
who
built
the
one
in
charlotte
did
not
even
bid
on
ours,
so
this
is
not
a
project
that
of
the
biggest
plumbing
job
in
the
world
and
building
buildings
is,
is
not
a
project
that
is
easily
undertaken
and
we
have
created
a
space
there.
That
makes
the
working
conditions
pretty
tight,
so
we
have
a
difficult
project
for
a
unique
operation.
S
T
S
I'm
going
to
ask
if
you
don't
mind
for
for
mike
to
talk
about
the
olympic
trial
mike
kanab,
but
I'll
just
say
for
me
personally:
no
that
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
it.
I
mean
I'd
like
to
get
it
done
timely,
but
we
have
a
process.
It's
going
to
take
a
decade.
I
mean
we're.
You
know
all
of
these.
All
of
these
projects
are
moving
along.
As
you
already
know,
it's
pay
as
you
go,
so
we're
not
we're
not
trying
to
get
warp
speed
here.
S
What
we
want
to
do
is
achieve
the
goal
that
you've
given
us
to
attain
and
we
think
we
brought
you
a
plan
to
do
that.
If
you
would
obviously
it's
your
decision,
but
for
me
personally
the
trying
to
I'd
like
to
make
the
olympic
timeline
that
certainly
would
be
a
goal.
It
would
bring
a
a
unique
perspective
to
our
city
and
get
us
international
attention.
I
think
it
would
be
a
fantastic
thing
if
we
could
meet
that
goal
so
for
all
the
people
working
down
there
every
day.
A
Any
other
questions
for
tom
many
thanks,
I'd
like
joe
jacoby
to
come
forward,
joe,
is
the
head
of
u.s
kayak,
which
is
based
here
in
oklahoma
city,
because
we've
we've
talked
a
lot
today
about
changes
to
the
original
design
and
and
and
scope,
and
so
I
guess
the
question,
because
joby
is
more
than
anybody
else
in
our
city.
You
would
know
is:
is
this
an
olympic
caliber?
Is
this
one
going
to
be
one
of
the
best
white
water
courses
in
the
world?
U
That's
the
most
important
thing
to
us
is
keeping
these
very
special
elements
that
scott
and
his
team
have
built
into
this
facility.
That
resonates
and
will
work
so
well
with
the
kind
of
community
that
oklahoma
city
is.
I
mean
I
always
tell
people,
mr
mayor,
that
you
know
we
are
for
the
first
time
in
the
history
of
the
city,
for
the
the
first
time
in
the
history
of
the
state
we're
putting
moving
water
in
front
of
this
community.
U
That's
makes
the
project
a
little
bit
different
than
what's
been
done
in
in
north
carolina,
and
I
just
I
love
their
approach
to
how
they've
done
this,
and
it
tells
me
why
I'm
so
excited
it's
literally.
Why
I
get
goosebumps
every
time
I
talk
about
this
course.
Is
it's
not
just
about
what
the
design
team
has
done
with
it,
but
how
well
positioned
that
option?
U
One
is
with
the
kind
of
community
that
we
have
and
the
way
we
have
been
growing
in
the
five
years
that
I've
been
in
oklahoma
city,
specifically
related
to
paddle
sports
and
the
way
we
kind
of
see
that
pride
in
the
river,
the
usage
of
the
river-
and
you
know
the
health
and
wellness
of
this
community.
It
all
comes
together
the
way
that
the
community
piece
and
the
design
piece
pull
together.
How.
U
I
think
for
me
I
mean
obviously
it's
it's
a
one.
I
mean
one
first
in
the
world,
I
mean
I've,
never
been
more
excited
about
a
project.
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
the
benchmarks
for
so
many
of
these
courses
are
the
olympic
games
and
the
olympic
games
is
typically
bid
for
one
very
high
performance
usage.
U
U
There
are
incredible
opportunities
to
the
design
of
the
course
itself
and,
remember
you
know
the
oklahoma
city
boathouse
district
is
a.
Is
the
a
designated
u.s
olympic
training
site?
We're
actually
joined
here
today
by
two
members
of
the
u.s
olympic
committee.
You
know
in
in
the
room
that
are
you
know,
paying
attention
to
what
we're
doing
that
has
been
kind
of
this.
The
formula
that
has
worked
so
well
at
the
boathouse
is
that
we
find
a
way
to
sort
of
showcase
the
best
of
america's
olympic
values
and
open
those
values
up
to
everyone.
U
J
M
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
going
on
here.
One
of
the
questions
is
jim.
If
we
were
not
to
vote
today
but
to
vote
in
two
weeks,
what
impact
would
that
have
this?
Is
I
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
the
the
council
feels,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
data
thrown
at
me
that
I
was
not
aware
of
today
and
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
in
casting
a
reasonably
intelligent
vote
in
two
weeks.
If
that
was
possible,
is
that
possible
or
not?
I'm.
J
M
M
That
being
said,
the
difference
between
options,
one
and
option
two
seem
to
be
the
difference
between
december
of
2015
and
may
of
2016
as
far
as
completion
dates.
If
I
understand
this
right,
that's
during
the
winter
time
very
few
of
us
are
going
to
go
out
and
go
down
and
go
down
the
the
racecourse
in
the
middle
of
winter.
M
So
I
don't
see
that
as
being
necessarily
a
a
deal
breaker
and
the
the
less
expensive
buildings
unless
that
detracts
from
the
overall
ambiance
that
that
people
would
go
down
there
and
say:
oh
my
gosh,
this
is
terrible.
Nobody
has
said
that
about
the
about
the
chesapeake
arena.
Oh
my
gosh.
What
did
you
value
engineer
away?
People
don't
even
know
that
that
what
was
valued
away
so
I
lean
toward
option
two,
but
that's
just
where
I
stand
right
now.
A
A
I
think
our
staff
feels
pretty
confident
that
option
one
is
viable
and
dr
shadeed
asked
a
pertinent
question:
how
much
are
we
being
driven
by
the
fact
that
we
would
lose
the
opportunity
to
host
the
olympic
trials
in
2016
if
we
delayed
this
project
further,
and
I
think
that's
a
viable
question,
I'm
glad
he
asked
it.
I
think
the
the
answer
that
I
think
we're
all
looking
for
is
well.
How
do
we
do
both?
How
do
we
keep
this
on
budget?
A
A
Before
with
with
maps
projects,
I
wouldn't
feel
as
confident
in
it,
but
I
I
really
believe
we're
going
to
be
able
to
accomplish
both,
but
it
is
not
without
risk,
but
I
would
add
that,
nor
will
it
ever
be.
This
is
a
unique
project
and
a
little
bit
outside
the
box
from
what
we
have
typically
done
in
maps
projects.
L
The
one
big
difference
between
option
two
and
option
one
is
that
we
remove
the
restaurant
and
gift
shop
and
that
are
revenue,
generators
and
so
the
other
things
that
have
been
eliminated
in
say,
phase
four:
are
you
know
more
aesthetic
things,
the
windscreen
grandstand
and
things
that
aren't
putting
heads
in
beds
if
you
will
and
generating
revenue
for
the
city
of
oklahoma
city
and
helping
the
facility
be
sustainable?
So
that's
really
why
I
see
option
one
with
leaving
the
course
intact
and
providing
those
things
that
drive
revenue.
The
most
important.
Q
G
Q
G
Q
I
So
that
means
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
let
a
contract
with
33
million
dollars
and
hope
to
reduce
it
to
some
value
we
can
afford.
We
don't
have
a
target
in
mind
your
words,
not
mine.
I
know
I
understand,
but
I'll
be
I'll
stand
behind
my
words.
We
are
we
every
project
we
bid
has
risk
associated
with
it.
I
won't
argue
that
point
at
all.
I
think
we
are
taking
a
path
that
increases
the
risk
inordinately
to
achieve
an
objective.
I
can't
remember.
A
I
I
think
we've
got
a
outstanding
staff.
We've
got
outstanding
people
on
the
committees
that
never
built
a
white
water
facility
like
this,
and
so
you
know
that
to
me
explains
a
little
bit
the
wide
variation
between
what
our
engineer
estimated
to
be
19
million
dollars
and
the
bid
was
33
million.
We've
got
to
save
a
lot
of
money
in
there
to
make
that
make
sense.
I
We
do
that
all
the
time,
but
we
do
sizeable
ones
we
do
with
projects
where
experience
doing
we
do
it
with
road
projects,
all
the
time
bridge
projects
and
buildings,
but
there
are
projects
that
we
have.
Some
experience
with
this
project,
as
we
was
pointed
out,
is,
is
unique
to
the
world
and
I
think
it
ought
to
be
done
properly,
and
I
think
one
of
the
objectives
we
had
at
arena
was
to
value
engineer
to
the
point
that
we
would
not
take
out
anything
that
had
an
impact
on
the
public's
use
of
that
facility.
N
A
M
A
T
If
I
could
ask
one
question
about
be
this,
so
this
is
a
400
000
contract
with
pfm.
This
is
separate
and
distinct
from
the
convention
center
hotel
contract.
Yes,
sir,
and
when
that
that
study
was
going
to
be
presented
to
us
by
the
end
of
august,
it's
do
we
have
an
update
on
how
that
study
is
going
yeah.
I.
J
Provide
financial
analysis
for
all
debt
that
we
do
for
when
we
do
our
geo
bond
issues
every
year.
They
work
with
the
rating
agencies
and
draw
up
the
official
statements
and
the
things
that
we
do
to
to
our
assistants,
drawing
up
the
financial
statements
for
the
time,
every
the
debt
that
we
issue
as
well
as
every
every
trust
that
we
have
the
water
trust,
the
airport
trust
kata,
the
the
the
golf
course
because
they
they
provide
again
debt
management
services.
L
Mayor
can
I
just
point
out
a
couple
of
things
in
the
consent
agenda
that
I
just
wanted
to
to
get
on
the
record
item.
6N
is
a
an
agreement
with
oklahoma
county
and
it's
part
of
the
shine
program,
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
recognize
pete
who
got
this
rolling
a
couple
years
ago
with
commissioner
maughan,
but
I
did
want
to
point
out
the
city's
financial
commitment
to
the
shine
program.
W
L
That
that
was
why
I
wanted
to
bring
that
forward
just
to
make
mention
of
it
and
item.
6-0
is
our
professional
services
agreement
with
the
neighborhood
alliance,
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we're
adding
some
additional
staff
to
work
in
south
oklahoma
city,
hopefully
bilingual
staff
that
will
really
help
us
begin
to
build
some
strong
neighborhood
organizations
in
south
oklahoma
city
and
then
item
6z
is
important
again.
L
Pete
do
you
and
to
me
these
are
some
additional
inlets
drainage,
inlets
that
have
been
added
to
the
contract
that
was
being
worked
on
both
at
4th
and
walker,
4th
and
chartel,
and
then
southwest
25th
street,
and
we
did
a
lot
of
work
in
that
area.
It
with
the
torrential
rains
we've
had
this
spring
and
summer.
It
didn't
appear
to
be
completely
adequate,
and
so
our
staff
went
ahead
and
has
added
some
additional
drainage
outlets,
and
I
just
want
those
involved
to
know
that
we're
paying
attention
to
their
concerns.
W
A
M
X
Happy
to
mr
councilman
item:
6r01
are
actually
specifications
to
be
advertised
for
bid.
These
are
actually
2007
bond
projects,
but
you
haven't
seen.
Many
of
these
were
typically
engaged
in
auto
widenings,
but
these
are
actually
arterial
resurfacing
projects.
So
this
is
just
the
reminder
that
we
actually
have
quite
a
few
arterial
resurfacings,
this
one's
actually
on
10th
street.
X
6Ak,
this
actually
proceeds
with
a
lot
of
the
partnership
work
that
we
do.
This
is
actually
a
private
partnership,
so
this
is
not
one
with
the
county,
but
this
is
at
southwest
15th
and
council.
Again
it's
a
bond
project
that
we're
actually
getting
ready
to
proceed
on,
but
in
this
case
the
partnership
is
going
to
allow
the
addition
of
intersection
improvements
at
that
location.
If
most
are
familiar,
that's
where
one
of
our
major
landfills
is
located
and
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
in
the
area.
X
This
will
actually
add
turn
lanes
in
both
the
north-south
directions
towards
that
landfill
just
to
help
improve
safety.
It's
also
very
near
the
school
western
heights,
the
bridgestone
schools.
So
what
you
see
here
is
a
50
participation
on
the
engineering
there's
also
a
50
percent
participation
on
the
construction
for
that,
actually,
the
total
intersection
estimated
about
750
thousand
dollars.
J
Mayor,
I
need
to
clarify
something
I
advised
our
council
machine
on
a
minute
ago,
although
vfw
pfm
does
do
everything
that
I
mentioned.
That's
not
what
this
contract
is.
This
contract
is
to
assist
in
in
investments
with
the
with
the
city
treasurer's
office,
so
they
provide
assistance
to
us
on
on
our
portfolio,
investments.
A
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion,
a
second
any
comments
or
questions
on
anything
listed
into
the
concurrence.
Talk
all
right
cast
your
votes.
It
passed
unanimously
item
8.
These
are
items
that
require
a
separate
vote.
We
start
with
a
series
of
zoning
cases.
The
first
is
an
abc
issue
in
ward
7..
The
address
is
801
northwest
122nd
street
john.
Thank.
A
A
All
right,
anyone
here,
hoping
to
speak
on
this
item
today,
cast
your
votes.
It
passed
unanimously
item.
Eight
a
three
has
been
deferred
until
this
date.
It's
a
zoning
case
in
ward
five.
The
address
is
13725
southwestern
avenue,
it's
currently
double
a
agricultural
and
it
would
become
an
r1zl
single
family.
Zero
lot
line
district,
if
approved
and
david
you
were,
you
were
hiding
behind
francis.
I
couldn't
see
you
sorry
about
that.
R
Y
David
box,
522
call
core
drive
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
Also
with
me
is
the
applicant
hussein
farzana.
This
is
the
last
piece
of
a
two-year
zoning
puzzle
down
on
southwestern,
it's
one
in
which
the
the
council
remember.
We
had
a
a
large-scale
pud
for
the
entire
140
acres
that
we
partitioned
off
and
back
last
year
we
did
pud
1480,
that
was
just
a
single
family
residential.
Then
we
came
back
with
pud
1511,
which
was
the
commercial
on
the
front
and
along
western.
Y
This
is
that
last
piece,
and
this
is
for
a
single
family
r1zl
way
back
two
years
ago,
this
piece
of
dirt
was
originally
slated
in
our
development
plans
to
be
some
form
of
multi-family
through
a
series
of
meetings
with
the
neighbors
and
agreements
made
here
before
the
council.
We
backed
off
all
plans
for
any
multi-family
development.
Y
What
we
have
now
is
just
an
r1zl
project,
so
knowing
that
that
the
r1zl
name
has
some
concerns
that
people
normally
have
what
we've
done
is
we've
brought
some
examples
of
the
product
that
my
client
tends
to
build.
What
you
have
is
a
market
that
still
wants
all
the
nice
upgraded
amenities.
They
just
don't
want
a
big
yard.
They
don't
want
the
maintenance
that
comes
with
large
lots,
so
a
similar
product
they
have
in
edmond
selling
for
115
a
foot.
So
all
the
amenities
of
a
high
high-end
product
will
be
in
this
product.
R
David,
just
a
couple
of
items
for
clarification.
The
market
for
these
types
of
homes
is,
is
normally
the
retired
individuals
or
the
empty
nest
group
of
individuals
and
then.
Secondly,
I
think
the
term,
especially
in
this
case
of
xero
lot
line,
is
a
little
bit
of
a
misnomer.
I
mean
you,
you
do
have
a
front
and
a
back
lot,
it's
just
that
the
sides
are
not
as
large
as
what
you
might
normally
see,
but
just
to
bring
out
a
personal
issue.
R
My
son
recently
acquired
a
home
under
construction
in
knoxville
and
they
rarely
have
much
distance
in
between
the
homes
these
days
in
in
many
of
the
communities
throughout
our
country.
So,
like
you
said
all
the
first
class
amenities
will
be
included
in
these
homes.
The
average
price
will
run
between
115
125
dollars,
a
foot
and
it's
adjacent
to
the
commercial
side
and
then
within
the
interior
side
of
the
overall
development.
Yes,.
Y
R
A
V
A
All
right,
anyone
here
hoping
to
speak
on
this
item
today,
we're
voting
on
item
8a4,
cast
your
votes.
It
passes
unanimously
item
885
is
a
zoning
case
in
ward
4
at
9016
south
shields
boulevard.
It's
currently
double
a
agricultural
in
a
c3
community,
commercial
district,
and
it
would
be
all
on
the
new
pud
if
approved.
W
Are
there
protesters
that
have
signed
up
to
speak
no
one's
signed
up?
I
I.
I
have
continued
to
receive
protests.
We
had
a
meeting
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
I've
continued
to
receive
protests
and
they're.
I
think
maybe
the
fact
there's
no
one
here
today.
To
some
extent
some
of
their
questions
were
solved
at
the
at
the
neighborhood
meeting,
but
I
do
think
that
there
possibly
is
a
fact
that
some
people
have
kind
of
given
up,
and
I
think
that
happens
occasionally
the
protest.
If
david,
if
you'll
come
up.
W
Well,
actually,
they
sit
around
more
than
that,
primarily
if
you
live
next
to
a
golf
course
for
30
years
and
somebody's
going
to
change
it
to
anything,
you're,
probably
going
to
be
against
so
that
that
part
I
understand
and
that
part's
inevitable,
there's
not
much.
We
can
do
about
it,
but
the
one,
the
protest
that
continues
to
come
and
I've
done
some
checking
on
it
since
then
has
to
do
with
water.
W
Is
that
there's
a
there's,
a
huge
amount
of
water?
That's
drained
that
drains
onto
that
area.
Every
time
I
have
a
brain,
especially
the
like
I've
alluded
to
earlier,
the
500-year
floods
that
occur
about
over
60
days,
the
what
what
kind
of
detention
I
know.
I
know
that
the
stock
answer
is
well
we'll
do
whatever
tension
is
required
by
the
ordinance.
W
Y
Well,
there
are
some
ponds
on
the
site
and
because
we're
not
ready
to
turn
dirt.
Now
we
don't
know
exactly
what
that
will
be.
Our
engineer
has
begun.
Looking
at
that
that
process.
One
of
the
benefits
that
we
have
is
what
we've
committed
ourselves
to
is
a
site
plan
review
so
anytime.
We
are
ready
to
go,
develop,
we're
going
to
have
to
go
back
and
have
staff
review.
W
It
possible
to
get
an
agreement
that
at
that
time
you
would
hold
a
neighborhood
meeting.
This
is
a
planned
unit
development.
I
suspect
we
can
put
anything
in
it.
We
that
we
can
agree
to
yeah
we'd
be
happy
that
we
could
hold
some
kind
of
a
neighborhood
meeting,
so
the
neighbors
would
all
be
advised
in
the
same
way,
they
were
advised
last
time
about
what
you're
going
to
do
about
that
problem.
Sure
absolutely!
W
Second,
concern
is,
and
I
and
I,
while
I
don't
share
this
concern
again
it
it
may
revolve
around
a
couple
of
other
things.
One
is
that
the
the
buyer
once
ostensibly
wants
to
put
a
church
there,
and
I
think
this
the
neighborhood
would
be
would
be
very
satisfied
if
the
church
was
the
first
thing
built
there.
There's
this
concern
that
this
is
another
that
that's
that
perhaps
may
be
a
subterfuge
in
order
to
develop
apartments
or
do
all
the
other
things
that
are
potentially
possible
under
this
putt
is.
W
Y
W
My
concern
is
that
I
understand
that
and
I
and
I
fully
support
the
fact
that
the
pud
probably
should
have
other
uses,
but
they
the
neighborhood,
believes
that
if
the
church
was
the
first
site
is
that
was
the
first
thing
that
would
have
a
lot
of
influence
on
what
else
went
there
and
I
and
I
I
believe
that
I
think
that's
true.
But
what
they're?
Y
Well
and
it's
a
valid
concern
they
have,
and
so
what
we've
done
to
address
that
is.
We
have
placed
limitations
within
the
pud
to
ensure
assume
that
something
bad
happens.
Market
collapses
and
the
church
doesn't
get
built.
What
we've
done
is
we
have
created
a
significant
buffer
zone
around
the
neighborhood
so
that
everything
around
the
neighborhood
will
still
be
some
sort
of
similar
use.
Residential
we've
added
125
foot
ring
around
the
entire
residential
subdivision
that
everything
within
that
has
to
be
one
story.
Y
It
can't
be
any
multi-family
if
there
is
a
multi-family
project
on
this
site,
based
on
the
way
it's
now
laid
out,
it
would
have
to
be
closer
to
89th
street
and
what
you
have
part
of
the
problem
we're
facing
with
this
site
is
you
have
straight
industrial
zoning
and
heavy
heavy
commercial
zoning
right
up
against
it?
You
have
straight
c4,
which
is
something
you
don't
rarely
see
in
this
city.
Y
So
through
the
meetings
and
through
the
planning
commission,
we
did
attempt
to
to
draft
this
in
such
a
way
that,
if
that
does
happen,
we
have
still
buffered
them
so
that
what
they're
going
to
have
won't
be
a
golf
course.
But
what
they're
going
to
have
is
something
similar
in
a
single
family,
residential
type.
W
Well,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
articulate
you
know
in
a
in
a
way
that
it
has
some
possibility
of
getting
through
to
your
client
that
how
important
it
is
that
the
that
some
of
the
concessions
that
were
agreed
to
are
agreed
to,
because
the
the
people
actually
hope
there's
going
to
be
a
church
built
there.
If
the
church
is
built
there.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
other
problems
would
go
away.
W
I'd
like
for
you
to
convey
that
to
you,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
move
forward
to
approval,
subject
to
an
amendment
that
that
the
neighborhood
be
notified
of
any
study
and
of
any
decision
with
regard
to
detention.
But
I
would
like
for
you
to
emphasize
to
your
client
that
some
of
the
concessions
that
were
made-
and
perhaps
the
reason
that
no
one's
here
today
is
because
they
don't
want
to
oppose
the
building
of
the
church.
W
In
fact,
they
very
much
support
the
building
of
the
church,
but
since
it's
such
a
large
track
and
the
potential
for
other
things
that
could
go
around
there
and
the
end
and
the
potential
of
a
huge
change
if
the
church
is
not
built,
they
I
just
want
to
be
sure
you
can
communicate
back
that
back
to
your
client
and
we'll
do
that.
With
that
I'd
move
approval,
subject
to
the
amendment
that
I
proposed.
R
Y
Well,
this
is
a
project
that
the
archdiocese
hasn't
taken
on
a
similar
project
in
this
market,
their
their
desire
would
be,
you
know,
to
start
with
the
church
and
if,
if
things
go
well,
then
you
add
a
school
and
you
add
some
residential
and
so
their
their
concept
would
be.
For
this.
You
know
a
large
portion
of
it
to
be
for
the
church.
R
That's
been
my
indirect
understanding,
pete
that
it
wouldn't
be
anything
adverse
to
traditional
residential
units
and
again
this
is
just
second-hand
information
that
I'm
receiving
any
multi-family
type
units
would
be
somewhat
related
to
the
church,
such
as
the
united
methodist
church
has
the
retirement
facility.
Many
churches
have
retirement
facilities.
W
I
don't
mind
speaking
for
what
they're
unwilling
to
say,
so
I
I
think
it's
fair.
I
I
believe
it
will
be
a
church,
I
believe
that's
their
intention.
I
believe
it
will
be
a
church
and
I
believe,
the
residential
around
it
will,
if
it's
all,
if
it's
possible
economically
possible,
to
make
it
work,
it'll
be
what,
as
david
says,
I
just
want
to
re-emphasize
that
to
some
to
a
large
degree.
W
The
reason
I'm
the
only
one
here
speaking
about
it
today
is
because
it
is
a
church
and
it
and
the
people,
the
neighborhood
or
to
the
south,
would
very
much
like
to
see
it
develop
that
way.
The
water
thing
I
think
it
is
important
there.
I
think
we
go
back
look
historically
about
some
of
the
things
that
happened
in
the
last
three
or
four
years,
especially
with
regard
to
water.
W
Those
ponds
there
on
the
golf
course
fill
up
pretty
quick
and
then
the
water
starts
to
move
into
that
neighborhood
and
it's
been
within
a
few
feet
of
people's
homes
there
and
that's
with
no
impervious
surface
on
that
whole,
very,
very
little
impervious
surface
on
that
whole
several
acres
there.
So
it
could
be
exacerbated
pretty
greatly
if
you,
when
you
start
to
construct
when
rooftops
start
to
show
up
there.
W
I
was
tempted
to
ask
for
a
couple
weeks
continuance
so
that
all
the
people
that
have
spent
lifetime
playing
golf
on
brookside
have
one
more
chance
to
play,
but
I
I
understand
from
talking
to
some
people
on
city
staff
that
they
got
out
and
played
this
week,
so
I'm
willing
to
go
ahead
and
move
approval.
Pete.
C
A
A
V
Z
Greg
massey
with
red
plains
representing
the
owner
on
this
property.
Mr
apricio
currently
operates
the
aquascape
business
at
that
location.
He's
looking
to
expand
that
operation
due
to
some
of
the
construction
activities
that
are
associated
with
the
landscaping
and
and
outdoor
kitchens
and
so
forth,
it
didn't
fall
into
the
fit
under
the
c3
zoning.
Z
Z
A
V
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Madam
clerk
has
anybody
signed
up.
I
see
that
the
applicant
is
present.
One
of
the
things
I
do
want
to
point
out
is:
I
think
this
is
this.
Particular
development
is
stepping
in
the
right
direction
for
us
developing
properties,
east
of
western.
Of
course
everybody
knows
about
the
developments
that
are
carrying
a
west
side
of
western,
so
this
is
a
great
opportunity,
so
pat
on
ward
7
got
some
stuff
coming
on
western,
so
I
just
want
you
to
know
I'll
move
for
approval.
A
Q
Q
A
A
AA
AA
The
outdoor
recreational
use
limited
to
a
paintball
now
included
in
this
130
acres
is
120
acres
that
is
privately
owned
and
then
what
you
see
on
your
exhibit
there
in
on
on
the
screen
track.
Six
is
actually
owned
by
the
city
and
is
managed
by
the
riverfront
redevelopment
authority,
and
we
have
approval
from
the
riverfront
redevelopment
authority
to
lease
that
20
acres
to
incorporate
it
as
a
part
of
the
paintball
park.
AA
AA
The
as
you
all
are
aware,
the
maps
trails
are
being
extended
on
the
opposite
side.
On
the
east
side
of
the
river
along
this
area.
Our
access
for
the
paintball
park
will
come
from
morgan
road
to
the
west
and
we
come
along
the
frontage
road
and
then
enter
and
the
tract
one.
Actually,
we
will
be
using
only
for
access
purposes
and
parking
if
necessary.
There
won't
be
any
paintball
activities
under
the
terms
of
the
pud,
as
approved
by
the
planning
commission
in
that
tract
one
or
in
the
tract
three.
AA
So
the
paintball
activities
will
be
separated
quite
a
distance
from
the
lanes
of
traffic.
For
I-40
and
one
question
that
came
up
at
the
at
the
riverfront
authority
meeting
when
the
when
they
were
considering
the
lease
is
just
what
type
of
paintballs
will
be
used
and
the
facility
will
only
allow
paint
field
provided
paintballs
to
be
used
at
the
park,
so
they
will
not
permit
outside
paintballs
to
be
used.
AA
But
we,
our
plan,
is
for
this
facility
to
cater
to
the
oklahoma
city
area
and
to
draw
people
from
surrounding
communities.
We
don't
have
a
facility
like
this
in
oklahoma
city,
we
have
I'm
told
in
the
country
now
about
14
million
paintball
enthusiasts.
It
is
a
sport
that
is
growing
in
popularity
and
we
plan
for
this
to
be
and
and
hope
that
it
will
be
a
new
added
attraction
for
the
city
and
for
the
area
along
the
river.
AA
We
are,
the
applicants
have
been
working
on
this
project
to
find
an
appropriate
location
and
to
get
the
necessary
approvals
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
now,
so
they
are
eager
to
get
underway
and
in
operation
the
this
is,
as
you
might
imagine,
it's
a
as
an
outdoor
activity.
It
is
one
that
is
is
is
a
fair
weather
sport,
so
it's
it.
It
is
heavily
utilized
in
the
fall
and
in
the
spring,
we're
hopeful.
AA
If
the
council
grants
approval
today
to
get
very
quickly
the
equipment
established
and
set
up
and
parking
established
and
get
in
operation
this
fall,
and
for
that
reason,
if
the
council
does
see
fit
to
approve
the
pud
today,
we
would
request
that
it
be
done
with
the
emergency
so
that
we
can
get
the
facilities
established
and
get
in
operation
and
take
advantage
of
this
fall
season.
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
AA
All
of
the
activity
that
will
go
on
all
of
the
paintball
activity
will
have.
There
will
be
referees
assigned
to
each
group.
That's
there.
So
it's
a
supervised,
controlled
environment.
We
don't
just
turn
people
loose
on
the
property
and
I'm
I
might
just
mention
briefly
to
the
there's.
There's
there's
the
residents
who
live
to
the
south
on
the
south
side
of
what
is
called
mustang
creek.
There
are
enthusiastically
supporting
our
application
and
the
fact
that
we
are
going
to
be
bringing
a
use
to
that
property
right
now.
AA
AA
M
M
This
should
add
a
dimension
of
positive
impact
on
that,
because
what
we're
doing
is
we're
shining
some
light
into
a
dark
area
and
dispelling
some
of
the
darkness.
So
we're
excited
about
that
kelly
and
I
have
talked
at
length
about
the
emergency
and
he
would
his
applicant
would
like
to
get
some
revenue
coming
in
this
fall,
and
so
I've
agreed
to
the
emergency.
I
hope
you
will
also
so
with
that
I'd
like
to
move
for
approval.
A
I
Thank
you,
honor.
This
piece
of
property
is
adjacent
to
the
burbank
turnpike
and
it's
I
guess
the
old
planting
was
r1
gonna,
be
an
office
building.
Now
I
see
tim
johnson's
here.
If
we
have
any
questions
about
the
project,
we
can
ask
him
he's
the
owner's
representative.
Is
anybody
signed
up
and
there
were
no
protesters?
There
were
some
eas
on
this
one
as
the
applicant
agreed
to
all
the
teas,
including
the
sidewalk
one.
A
I
Thank
you,
your
honor,
this
piece
of
property
is
also
very
close
to
the
turnpike
and
it
slowly,
but
surely
all
that
double-a
property
out
there
has
been
converted
to
residential
and
there's
considerable
construction
going
on
in
there.
France
does
anybody
speak
on
it?
We
do
have
a
request
for
easement.
Has
that
been
submitted
yet.
A
A
W
AC
Only
thing
I
was
gonna
ask
for
is
that
we
can
get
an
emergency.
The
owner
was
wanting
to
start
construction
as
soon
as
possible,
and
I
called
and
asked
for
that.
We
it
was
about,
but
we
were
unaware
that
there
would
be
like
a
30
day
delay
from
the
time
if
it
was
approved
and
we
were
asking
and
I've
called
the
office
and
asked
for
that.
But
I
don't
think
we
got
it
in
in
time.
I
don't
know
if
it's
too
late
to
ask
for
that.
W
You
know
I
I
we
vote,
we
give
emergencies
all
the
time.
I
have
some
problem
with
it.
The
whole
idea
of
the
emergency
is
to
defer
the
so
that
if
anyone
has
a
complaint
about
it,
they
can
do
something
about
it.
It's
illegal,
it's
a
legal
matter.
It
gives
the
public
an
opportunity
to
do
it.
I
hesitate
to
give
an
emergency
because
you
didn't
plan
ahead.
AC
No
sir
began,
we
didn't
understand
the
process.
This
is
our
first
time
to
ever.
Do
anything
in
this
with
a
spud
or
a
putt
or
anything
of
this
nature.
It
was
brought
to
our
attention
by
the
clint
planning
commission
about
a
week
ago,
when
we
were
asking
about.
When
could
we
get
a
permit
and
they
said
well
it'd
be
about
30
days
after
the
city
council
was
to
prove
if
they
were
to
prove
it.
AC
W
You'd
there's
a
economic
benefit
to
doing
it
and
because
there
is
no,
there
happen,
there
are
no
protests,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
it,
but
I
will.
I
would
like,
for
the
staff
in
the
future
to
tell
people
that
unless
they've
got
if
they're
one,
if
there's
a
protest,
I
won't
move
them
on
stuff
in
my
ward
and
and
and
that
if
it's
just
a
gift,
an
accommodation,
I'm
not
really.
W
I
W
I
AE
Excuse
me
they
do
have
to
file
within
the
30
days,
that's
a
limit
within
which
they
would
have
to
file
a
lawsuit,
but
actually
the
emergency
clause
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
them
filing
a
lawsuit
or
not.
They
can
they
can
file
a
lawsuit
either
way
the
what
the
emergency
clause
does
is
cut
off
the
possibility
of
a
referendum
petition
which
would
then
make
it
where
the
ordinance
would
not
become
effective
until
that
referendum
petition
process,
significant
delay,
then
right.
W
And
it
you
know,
it
probably
doesn't
happen,
but
that's
what
the
law
is
for
if
we
want
to.
If
we
don't
like
that,
we
ought
to
do
something
about
changing
the
law
rather
than
in
my
opinion,
I
vote
for
everybody
else's
and
I
don't
talk
about
it
when
it
happens,
but
in
the
future,
if
there's
protests,
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
him,
I'm
not
going
to
move
them
and
somebody
else
wants
to
move
them
on
my
cases.
A
T
Signed
up
so
there
were
no
protests
at
the
planning
commission.
The
planning
commission
felt
that
the
commercial
uses
were
overly
broad.
I
met
with
the
applicant.
They
have
severely
restricted
the
commercial
uses
within
the
spud,
which
I
think
is
all
of
which
are
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood
things
that
the
neighbors
could
walk
to
appropriate
to
be
across
the
street.
From
the
boys
and
girls
club.
A
Becky
all
right,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
we're
voting
on
item
8b.
Is
there
anyone
here
that
showed
up
today
to
speak
on
this
item?
All
right
cast
your
votes.
That
item
is
approved.
8C
is
a
name
change
in
ward
7..
This
was,
I
understand
it
generated
by
staff
to
ease
the
confusion
out
there
in
a
certain
neighborhood,
john,
all
right.
V
A
J
J
A
M
Yeah,
I
move
that
this
is
crystal
lake,
as
you
all
remember,
is
now
being
operated
for
the
city
by
city
care,
they're,
doing
a
great
job
with
inner
city
kids.
This
is
to
take
those
kids
out
and
make
an
opportunity
for
them
to
camp
out
in
the
wild
and
if
you
haven't
been
to
crystal
lake,
yet
it's
a
great
place
to
go
fishing
and
it's
open
to
the
public
for
fishing.
So
I
move
for
approval.
A
F
A
AF
AF
And
what
I
presented
is
basically
five
solutions
other
than
increasing
the
rate.
I
believe
it
increasing
the
rate
not
only
affects
me
and
my
family,
but
several
poor
people
throughout
the
city
that
are
strapped
financially
and
ways
that
the
middle
class
is
dwiddling
and-
and
I
think
that
my
five
solutions
address
the
economic
impact
and,
let's
see.
T
AF
AF
When
I
look
at
a
city,
that's
622
square
miles,
and
I
look
at
cities
that
I've
had
farms
in
that
have
been
acquired
by
the
city.
I
think
de-annexation
is
an
important
step
to
connect
the
city
and
the
rural
life
throughout
spring
and
oklahoma
city
and
reduce
the
the
burden
on
members
of
oklahoma
city.
AF
AF
With
one
inch
of
rain
and
that
individual
or
resident
actually
doesn't
have
a
way
to
utilize
immediately
that
600
gallons,
if
there
was
a
buy
back
program,
they
would-
and
in
this
fourth
statement,
there's
a
vulnerability
of
drought,
which
obviously
we've
experienced
over
the
last
five
years,
and
this
rain
capture
addresses
that
and
an
example.
I
provide
with
the
economic
benefits
step
five.
AF
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
been
to
bermuda,
but
I
have,
and
in
bermuda
they
have
white
limestone,
it's
mandated
by
law,
and
it's
because
they
don't
have
water
wells
and
they
don't
have
enough
rain
to
sustain
and
they're.
In
a
remote
area.
Bermuda
is
far
off
from
from
the
acapella
of
the
caribbean
islands,
and
so
the
way
that
they
address
this
is
they
build
limestone,
roofs
that
filter
the
water
and
the
resin
of
that
house
can
actually
drink
it.
AF
AF
One
of
the
studies
I've
seen
is
that
if
we
look
at
all
the
reservoirs
that
feed
in
oklahoma
city,
the
evaporation
that
comes
off
those
lakes
is
about
equal
to
today's
use,
and
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
a
shame
that
we're
going
to
go,
build
more
lakes
or
more
pipes,
pipelines
aqueducts.
What
have
you
and
we're
not
really
addressing
what
is
crucial
and
the
earthquake
that
happened
in
san
francisco?
AF
Geological
surveys
are
showing
that
this
drought,
this
evaporation
and
the
loss
of
water
and
a
lot
of
our
reservoirs,
creates
this
uplifting
and
when
you
add
that
stress
onto
a
fault
line,
then
you're
going
to
have
what
we
have
over
the
last
two
or
three
years
end
up
creating
earthquakes.
So
these
proposals
that
I
put
in
here
are
in
light
of
not
only
the
cost
benefit.
AF
A
W
He
does
serves
as
chairman
of
the
water
trust.
One
of
the
things
we've
done
over
the
last
several
years
has
been
to
try
to
investigate
more
conservation,
and
so
I
I
welcome
the
comments
that
you
make.
One
of
the
things
about
evaporation
is
that
the
city
50
years
ago
purchased
land
in
southeast
oklahoma
city
to
build
another
lake
and
the
reason
that
lake
has
not
been
built
primarily
is
because
we
haven't.
We
realized
that
if
we
start
to
fill
it
up,
we'll
lose
water
to
evaporation.
W
W
That's
60
years
ago,
50
60
years
ago
that
that
that
obviously
has
changed
and-
and
I
think
I
think
we're
looking
into
that-
I
appreciate
your
comments
about
it,
but
you
know
water
doesn't
evaporate
out
of
a
line
in
any
appreciable
amount.
It
amounts
it
evaporates
off
an
open
water
surface,
so
the
line
itself
is
not
going
to
create
a
an
appreciable
amount
of
of
evaporation.
Just
the
line.
W
W
I
appreciate
the
comment,
but
we're
trying
to
be
more
we're
trying
to
go
to
a
situation
where
we're
less
and
less
dependent
on
groundwater
and
and
so
to
some
extent.
I
worry
about
things
that
are
some
of
our
surrounding
communities
are
doing
by
drilling
more
wells
into
the
into
a
depleting
aquifer.
I've
got
some
serious
concerns
about
that
and
I
think
most
of
us
that
have
that
have
studied
this
thing
have
concerns.
AF
I
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
that
the
evaporation
was
studied
at
lake
hefner
in
1966
by
osu
and
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
and
it's
true
that
a
pipeline
that
there's
always
loss
in
any
transfer
from
one
body.
Another
there's
going
to
be
some
loss,
but
not
appreciated
laws
and
as
far
as
the
legalities,
what
opens
up
the
legality
issue
about
charging
the
other
missiles
more
is
in
this
mix
and-
and
I
saw
on
the
agenda
item
native
american
tribes-
change
the
water
equation.
AF
There
are
things
that
tribes
are
able
to
do
that.
Simply
municipalities,
like
goldman
said
he
can't
and
and
and-
and
I
just
would
like
to
see-
that
when
there's
negotiations
with
the
chickasaws
and
other
tribes
regarding
sardis
that
look
at
ways
in
which,
through
the
tribes,
they
can
charge
more
because
they
have
more
freedom
of
what
they
can
charge
and
what
they
can
do.
Example,
they
can
do
casinos.
I
can't
do
a
casino.
AF
They
can
do
a
lot
of
things
that
are
just
out
of
the
ability
of
a
municipality
and-
and
I
would
turn
certainly
to
them,
to
to
work
up
with
solutions
where
we
can't
address
evaporation.
We
can't
address
costs
and
those
can
be
deferred
to
those
that
have
the
greater
ability
to
pay.
My
children
go
to
oklahoma
city,
public
schools.
AF
I
can't
send
them
to
edmond,
just
because
I
want
same
thing
about
the
water.
You
know
the
water
is
a
resource,
just
like
education
is,
and
so,
if,
if
edmund
wants
to
enjoy
a
great
public
school
system,
I
think
they
should
pay
for
for
the
water,
and
I
think
that
should
have
occurred.
The
cost
of
the
citizens
in
oklahoma
city,
but
that's
as
a
resident
of
oklahoma
city,
not
one
event.
So
that's.
W
W
It's
at
cost,
but
that
cost
is
the
cost
of
all
the
infrastructures
built
into
it.
It's
not
just
dollar
cost
of
what
it
it's.
It's
everything
it's
a
very
it's
a
complicated
formula
to
arrive
at
a
water
rate
very
complicated
and
in
the
cost
of
the
all
the
infrastructure,
the
pipelines,
the
lakes,
the
evaporation
all
that
is
built
into
that
right.
C
W
AF
W
AF
A
I
A
M
We
met
this
morning
again
and
she's
going
to
provide
me
some
more
information,
I'm
not
optimistic
that
my
initial
hypothesis
will
be
able
to
be
implemented
and
that
dealt
with
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
so
that
folks,
with
limited
income,
would
not
be
impacted
by
the
new
water
rate
increases
that
may
not
be
possible,
but
she's
going
to
get
me
some
information
between
now
and
two
weeks
from
now,
and
so
you
may
hear
from
me
again
at
that
point.
Thank
you.
Your
honor.
A
All
right
we're
going
to
vote
on
item
8f,
cast
your
votes
it
passed
unanimously
and
that
item
moves
forward.
All
right,
as
pat
said
we
now
have
the
was
the
technicals
have
been
brought
in
the
easement's
been
brought
in.
I
think
what
we
need
pat,
is
a
motion
to
rescind
the
deferral
and
then
we'll
vote
on
the
issue.
A
A
J
AG
AG
The
proposed
regulations
are
intended
to
apply
to
uber,
which
is
operating
the
uber
x
model
here
in
oklahoma,
city
and
lyft,
both
of
which
use
digital
platforms
and
private
citizens
in
their
personal
vehicles
to
provide
vehicle
for
higher
services.
I'm
not
sure,
what's
happening
to
the
microphone
here.
AG
This
document,
the
ordinances
that
you
have
before
you
is
a
culmination
of
approximately
10
months
worth
of
work
in
which
staff
from
the
municipal
counselor's
office,
the
police,
department
and
city
manager's
office
researched
the
business
models
of
uber
and
lyft.
We
conducted
several
meetings
with
representatives
of
the
local
taxi
and
limousine
industry.
We've
conducted
several
meetings
and
telephone
conversations
with
uber
and
lyft
representatives,
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
all
of
these
groups.
We
finalized
our
recommendations
to
the
amendments
that
you
have
before
you
today.
AG
AG
T
I
AG
The
insurance
that
uber
and
uber
specifically
has
provided
us
with
information
on
their
insurance
policies.
We
have
discussed
staff.
Our
legal
staff
has
discussed
those
policies
with
the
city's
insurance
expert,
and
the
insurance
expert
has
advised
us
that
those
policies
do
cover
the
language
that
we
have
in
the
ordinance
related
to
transportation
network
vehicles,
and
it's
basically
similar
very
similar
to
the
insurance
that
the
taxi
industry
provides.
There
may
be
a
little
bit
of
difference
in
how
it's
covered
from
the
taxi
industry.
I
I
AG
L
AH
AG
Yes,
ma'am
currently,
as
it
stands
right
now
and
the
way
we've
proposed
the
way
we
have
they
can
and
and
do
the
transportation
network
companies
do
perform
cert
what
they
call
surge
pricing.
The
intent
of
that,
as
I
understand
it,
is
to
encourage
more
drivers
to
make
themselves
available
to
to
transport
people
during
peak
hours
of
operation
special
occasions,
new
year's
eve,
fourth
of
july
things
along
those
lines
whenever
a
surge
pricing
is
implemented
by
these
companies.
AG
One
of
the
issues
right
now
that
we
have
with
our
taxi
companies
is
that
there
is
no
way
to
immediately
notify
the
public
that
search
pricing
is
in
place.
Now
some
of
them
have
claimed
that
they
have
apps.
That
will
do
that,
but
we've
not
seen
those
yet.
We
would
certainly
be
willing
to
reconsider
our
position
on
that
once
we
we've
seen
that
and
how
it
works.
But
we
have
seen
the
lyft
application.
AG
We
have
seen
the
uber
application,
and
so
when
a
consumer
looks
at
it
and
they
see
that
their
surge
pricing
there
at
two
times
or
three
times
or
four
times
the
rate,
then
they
are
able
to
make
an
intelligent
decision
at
that
point
as
to
whether
or
not
they
want
to
book
that
ride
or
call
a
taxi
or
call
a
limo
or
or
some
other
form
of
transportation.
So.
AG
AG
AG
AG
You
make
a
request
for
a
ride
if
nobody
that's
operating
on
the
platform
at
that
time
accepts
that
ride,
then
uber
or
lyft
really
have
no
obligation
to
to
require
someone
to
pick
you
up.
However,
once
someone
does
accept
that
ride
and
they
respond
to
you,
then
they
are
required
to
provide
you
with
that
ride.
Unless
exigent
circumstances
exist,
a
person
is
drunk
or
disorderly
something
along
those
lines.
AG
V
AG
I
V
V
AG
Ordinance
requires
both
uber
and
lyft
and
any
other
company,
by
the
way
that
happens
to
come
in
and
want
to
do
business
with
a
similar
business
model
to
them,
but
it
requires
their
their
drivers
at
this
at
the
current
state.
With
the
language
we
have
requires
their
drivers
to
allow
us
to
see
the
trip
records
that
are
contained
in
the
phone
or
the
electronic
device
that
they
use
to
conduct
business.
R
AG
Q
AG
I
believe
initially
that
that
was
started
just
to
make
sure
that
the
rates
were
fair
and
reasonable.
We
don't
really
the
traffic
commission
approves
their
initial
rates,
as
I
understand
it,
but
any
amendments
or
any
time
that
they
want
to
raise
those.
I
don't
believe
that
goes
before
traffic
commission.
I
just
think
that
they
have
to
provide
the
city
clerk
with
30
days
notice
that
they
wish
to
amend
their
rates
beyond
that,
I'm
I'm
I'm
not
real
sure,
sir.
Q
Q
T
AG
T
Part
of
the
business
model
seems
to
be
that
you
write
reviews
the
the
drivers
write,
reviews
of
the
writers,
the
writers
write,
reviews
of
the
drivers
just
like
airbnb
and
other
internet
software
is
on
the
same
principle.
So
if
some
writer
had
multiple
poor
reviews,
they
were
abusive
to
drivers,
they
would
not
be
able
to
the
driver,
wouldn't
be
able
to
look
at
those
reviews
and
refuse
service
on
somebody
who
had
multiple
poor
reviews.
AG
Well,
as
as
indicated
to
me,
by
both
uber
and
lyft,
and
no
uncertain
terms,
they
are
intent
on
providing
the
best
of
services.
They
have
a
driver
who
gets
bad
marks
and
that's
another
one
of
the
advantages
that
they
have
is
that
they
get
immediate
feedback
as
part
of
the
ride.
Experience
you're
able
to
let
uber
and
lyft
know
the
performance
of
their
drivers
immediately,
and
so
they
tell
me-
and
they
have
assured
us
that
if
our
driver
gets
a
bad
review,
we
suspend
them
from
service.
T
AG
T
AG
M
Yes,
chief,
I
noticed
this
weekend
I'm
trying
to
get
up
to
speed
on
this
whole
issue
and
I'm
a
neophyte
on
it.
I
noticed
on
some
taxi
cabs
that
I
saw
going
around
bricktown
that
they
had
a
department
of
transportation
emblem
on
on
the
cab
with
a
number
after
it
is,
is
er
every
every
a
taxi
is
required
to
have
some
type
of
d.o.t
registration.
AI
Morning
to
answer
that,
usdot
is
kind
of
regulated
through
the
oklahoma
corporation
commission,
so
certain
stipulations,
federal
and
state
wise,
whether
or
not
that
number
is
required,
like
the
oklahoma
corporation
commission,
if
a
company
is
solely
operating
within
one
city,
they're
not
required
to
have
that
number.
However,
if
they're
picking
up
or
crossing
city
lines
of
more
than
one
city,
then
yes,
they
are.
M
AG
We
have
contacted
the
oklahoma
corporation
commission
concerning
the
county,
the
county
issue
and
whether
or
not
they
felt
like
there
was
a
need
for
them
to
place
any
regulations
on
the
companies
like
uber
and
lyft,
and
so
far
we've
not
received
any
answer
back
from
them
as
to
whether
or
not
they
feel
that
they
need
to
regulate
those
companies
whatsoever,
and
I
don't
believe
either
of
these
companies
currently
provide
transportation
services
that
go
from
one
state
to
the
other.
But
I
believe
uber
is
here,
so
you
could
probably
ask
them
that.
T
T
Three
minutes
would
be
an
hour
and
so
a
I
would
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
your
patience
going
through
the
meeting
and
waiting
to
to
talk
on
this.
If
we
could
limit
it
to
three
minutes
and
maybe
kind
of
try
and
cover
area
that
the
speaker
before
you
hasn't
covered,
there
are
lots
of
cities
that
are
that
are
creating
ordinance
and
no
two
cities
have
done
it
exactly
the
same.
So
there
is
no
textbook
answer.
T
I
would
just
ask
sometimes,
when
you
have
competing
economic
interests,
there's
a
temptation
to
cross
talk
or
heckle,
and,
and
certainly
we
want
to
treat
everyone
with
respect,
it's
very
difficult
to
get
up
and
talk.
Everybody's
heart
is
racing
and
we
want
to
treat
everyone
with
respect.
As
we
move
through
this
process,
I
have
these
20
speakers
in
alphabetical
order.
Sometimes,
when
there
are
are
entities
they
have
one
person
who
would
like
to
go
first,
I
guess
I'd
ask:
is
there
anyone
who
has
a
desire
to
speak?
First.
AJ
AJ
AJ
First
and
foremost,
I
want
to
thank
the
city
for
the
thoughtful
and
extensive
work
that
they
have
done
on
the
ordinance
that
is
under
consideration.
As
mr
barry
mentioned,
it's
been
about
10
months
of
a
process,
and
I
think,
where
we
are,
is
in
a
is
in
a
pretty
good
place.
The
ordinance
clearly
recognizes
that
the
ridesharing
model
provided
by
companies
like
uber
is
different
from
traditional
vehicle
for
hire
models.
I'd
also
like
to
express
that
we
are
excited
to
be
in
oklahoma
city
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
be
part
of
this
community.
AJ
However,
I
would
like
to
note
that
the
ordinance
does
present
several
serious
impediments
to
the
abilities
of
companies
like
uber,
to
continue
to
provide
expanded
transportation
options
for
the
citizens
of
oklahoma
city.
Uber
is
just
that
an
option
and
riders
are
free
to
choose
whatever
means
of
transportation
they
prefer.
Since
uber
launched
on
october
of
last
year,
we
have
connected
thousands
of
riders
in
oklahoma
city
with
drivers,
because
those
riders
those
consumers
have
chosen
to
request
rides
with
uber
for
all
those
rides.
AJ
We
provide
industry-leading
insurance
conduct
ex
extensive
background
checks
on
drivers
that
we
partner
with
and
offer
a
convenient
and
safe
cashless
payment
system.
In
addition,
as
mentioned
just
earlier
after
every
ride,
users
are
prompted
to
rate
their
drivers
and
vice
versa,
which
we
monitor
in
real
time,
allowing
us
to
maintain
an
incredibly
high
level
of
quality
on
the
system.
AJ
We
have
firm
data
from
cities
as
varied
as
seattle
and
philadelphia
that
show
the
impact
that
expanded
out
expanded
transportation
options
like
uber
have
on
reducing
drunk
driving.
That
is
no
surprise
in
oklahoma
city.
By
looking
at
our
data,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
vast
majority
of
our
rides
occur
on
friday
and
saturday
nights
after
nine
pm,
with
a
particular
spike
after
midnight.
AJ
Beyond
that,
we
have
connected
riders
needing
rides
because
their
cars
were
in
the
shop
requesting
rides
because
they
were
too
far
from
the
downtown
area
who
traditionally
have
issues
getting
taxis
to
come
out
and
pick
them
up
and
riders
are
seeking
a
reliable
way
to
get
to
the
airport.
On
time
to
accomplish
this,
we
have
partnered
with
an
amazing
variety
of
drivers
in
the
area
you'll
hear
from
several
of
them
today.
AJ
These
drivers
are
regular
citizens
of
oklahoma,
city
and
range
from
retired
folks,
looking
to
supplement
their
income
students
finishing
graduate
degrees
who
drive
to
help
pay
for
school
and
people
in
between
jobs,
trying
to
stay
on
their
feet.
Partnering
with
uber
represents
a
meaningful
economic
opportunity
to
these
drivers,
who
then
in
turn,
spend
that
additional
income
right
here
in
the
community.
AJ
We're
excited
to
continue
to
connect
riders
with
safe,
reliable
and
affordable
form
of
transportation,
and
to
empower
our
driver
partners
to
expand
their
economic
opportunity
in
oklahoma
city.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and,
as
I
said,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
specific
questions
that
I
can
about
uber's
business
model
or
anything
else.
Larry.
M
AJ
So,
for
example,
the
requirement
for
for
a
physician
certificate
before
drivers
are
allowed
to
receive
a
permit
from
the
city,
the
requirement
for
the
city
to
personally
inspect
vehicles
depending
on
their
age.
Those
are
things
that
we
feel
that
are
best
handled
by
the
transportation
network
companies
themselves,
as
opposed
to
the
city.
T
V
AK
Ogden
you,
mr
vice
mayor
and
members
of
the
council.
My
name
is
richard
ogden
I
represent
king's
worldwide
transportation.
My
address
is
210
park,
avenue,
downtown
oklahoma
city.
I
reside
in
ward
7
at
612
northeast
17th
street.
I
think
most
of
you
all
have
received
my
letter.
This
same
letter
in
substitutive
form
was
presented
to
the
traffic
commission.
AK
I
think
that
what
I
want
to
say
today,
primarily
is
we
would
like
to
thank
mt
barry
we'd
like
to
thank
cindy
richard
for
their
hard
work,
and
I
think
that
this
ordinance
goes
a
tremendous
way
in
trying
to
make
sure
that
public
safety
primarily
is
taken
care
of
for
the
citizens
of
oklahoma
city.
I'm
going
to
address
some
of
these
points
rather
quickly.
I
do
have
another
attorney
from
my
office
that
if
I
don't
get
to
these
points,
cut's
name
is
colin
walkey.
AK
AK
So
I
think
that
primarily
where
we
need
to
be
is
to
say:
uber
does
need
to
come
to
the
table,
be
a
full
participant,
not
just
give
lip
service
to
certain
things,
and
that
means
that
make
sure
that
they
are
participating
make
sure
they
are
legitimate
partners
in
negotiations
with
the
city.
We
have
concerns
about
that
because
at
one
time
they
say
that
they
are
a
transportation
network
company
when
they're
talking
with
the
city,
but
at
another
time
when
they're
in
federal
court,
they
say
they're
just
simply
an
application.
AK
AK
So
the
basis
here
was
that
they
came
to
to
mt
barry
and
said
we
would
like
to
have,
in
this
instance,
article
three
written
in
a
way
to
accommodate
the
method
of
the
tnc's,
the
transportation
network,
companies,
and
so
we're
going
just.
I
think
that
by
and
large
that
I
represent
king's
worldwide
limousine,
and
this
is
the
one
company
that
I
represent.
So
I
cannot
speak
for
everyone,
but
that
there
still
are
a
number
of
factors
here
that
need
to
be
addressed.
AK
Well,
that's
why
you
have
to
register
to
do
business
in
the
state
of
oklahoma,
but
they
haven't
done
that
either
and
the
reason
why
is
because,
if
they
do
get
into
an
accident
to
trigger
that
insurance,
which,
by
the
way
the
insurance
is
not
primary,
it's
secondary,
meaning
that
if
you're
in
an
accident
in
that
cab,
your
insurance
gets
hit.
First,
the
driver's
insurance
may
get
hit
first,
and
only
after
that
would
uber's
insurance
get
hit.
AK
The
next
thing
is
that,
with
regard
to
the
fairs
being
reasonable
and
non-discriminatory,
the
reason
why
this
city
has
the
regulations
in
place
for
fair
and
reasonable
fares
is
the
fact
that
sometimes-
and
this
has
happened-
someone
will
get
into
a
cab
from
edmond
crossing
city
lines,
it's
cheaper
to
come
down
to
oklahoma
city.
But
then,
when
you
go
back,
you
get
the
surge
pricing.
AK
So
I
mean
you
know.
Is
that
really
fair?
And
I
think
that
we
have
to
really
question
that
with
regard
to
the
motor
vehicles
for
hire
under
section
56,
there
needs
to
be
a
city
action
plan
number
card
in
the
bill
in
the
in
the
cab
itself,
so
as
to
provide
people
the
opportunity
to
know
how
to
contact
a
city
official.
AK
If
there
is
a
problem,
this
has
come
up
before
there
was
an
incident
in
oklahoma
city
recently,
and
there
was
no
way
for
the
driver
to
even
know
who
to
contact
with
regard
to
the
sufficient
number
of
permitted
drivers.
This
is
something
that
is
required
of
the
motor
vehicles
for
hire.
This
there's
a
reason
for
that.
If
they're,
if
motor
vehicles
for
higher
are
under
that
regulation,
then
so
should
tnc's
richard.
Do
you
think
we
could
have
call
and
do
the
other.
AK
AK
That
tells
me
that
there
is
a
significant
corporate
structure
in
ownership,
but
it's
very
veiled
as
far
as
airbnb
or
you
know,
vacation
rentals
by
owner,
I'm
not
for
sure
if
in
fact,
those
sites
and
I'm
not
even
for
sure,
if
there's
really
an
application
for
that,
if
they,
if
there's
really
such
a
corporate
structure-
and
I
think
that's
my
concern-
is
that
we
need
transparency,
I'm
very
happy
with
the
city
ordinance
and
that
moves
a
long
way
in
terms
of
that
transparency
and
the
accountability
and
the
safety
for
the
public.
Thank
you.
L
L
That's
unruly
multiple
times
that
information
is
provided
and
they
would
be
taken
off
any
one
of
these
sharing
networks.
If
a
driver
gets
bad
feedback
and
it's
instantaneous,
you
can
see
that
they're
automatically
taken
off
the
network.
If
you
go
stay
at
an
airbnb
place
and
you
trash
it,
you
lose
your
reputation
and
you
lose
access
to
it.
AK
V
V
I
live
in
the
heart
of
northeast
oklahoma
city
and
it's
hard
to
receive
service
a
lot
of
times
and
and
and
I
represent
not
only
northeast-
I
represent
southeast
and
southwest
where
you
do
have
a
population
that
the
neighborhood
may
not
be
like
it
is
in
edmond,
for
example,
will
uber
and
lyft
come
to
those
neighborhoods,
or
will
they
just
completely
ignore?
So
that's
that's
a
major
concern
of
mine,
I'm
not
going
to
sugarcoat
it.
That's
a
major
concern
of
mine.
AL
AL
How
would
we
ever
know
whether
or
not
uber
or
lyft
refused
rides
to
individuals
because
of
their
location,
motor
vehicles
for
hires
taxi
cabs
limousines
are
required
upon
demand
by
the
motor
vehicle
for
hire
inspector
to
produce
their
records
transportation
network
companies
are
not.
They
have
a
specific
exemption
that
requires
that
their
documents
and
records
only
be
produced
pursuant
to
court
order
or
subpoena.
AL
That
same
obligation
is
not
met
with
regard
to
taxi
cabs,
if
you're
a
taxi
cab,
you
have
to
have
the
same
limits
whether
you
are
in
between
fairs
or
whether
or
not
you
are
actively
engaged
in
a
fair.
It
makes
no
sense
to
be
able
to
allow
tnc's
to
unilaterally
drop
their
coverage
limits
in
between
fairs.
There
was
a
young
child
who
was
struck
and
killed
in
san
francisco
a
few
years
ago
in
between
fairs,
the
policy
limits
should
be
the
same,
irrespective
of
whether
they're
actively
engaged
in
a
fair
or
in
between
fairs.
AL
Well,
whether
it
affects
the
price
or
not,
I
think
is-
is
immaterial
because
you're
imposing
that
obligation
upon
taxi
cabs
and
limousines
to
have
the
same
insurance
rates.
And
so,
if
you
take
cost
into
consideration
and
say
well,
uber
and
lyft's
costs
are
going
to
go
up
if
they
have
to
have
the
same
insurance
rates,
whether
they're
in
between
fairs
or
engaged
in
a
fair,
well
you're,
giving
them
a
competitive
advantage
for
no
reason
whatsoever.
L
C
L
AL
And
I,
but
I
think
that
proves
the
point
is
mr
berry
stated
that
the
reason
why
these
rules
are
drafted,
the
way
they
are,
is
in
order
to
accommodate
the
business
model
of
tnc's.
Well,
the
only
difference
between
a
tnc
and
a
taxi
cab
is
the
method
in
which
you
request
the
ride.
Otherwise,
they're
always
going
to
be
either
engaged
in
a
fair
in
between
fares
or
off
fares,
they're
not
going
to
be
working.
So
if
you're
going
to
change
the
policy
limits
for
tncs,
you
ought
to
change
it
for
motor
vehicles
for
higher.
AL
It
should
be
a
level
playing
field.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
manner
in
which
uber
and
lyft
conducts
business,
and
that's
the
key
is
that
none
of
these
changes
in
article
three.
None
of
these
discrepancies
have
anything
to
do
with
whether
or
not
it
is
a
tnc
or
motor
vehicle
for
hire.
Why
do
they
not
have
to
disclose
their
names
of
the
directors,
owners
and
officers
of
the
company
who
knows
taxi
cabs
have
to
limousines
have
to?
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
manner
in
which
they're
operated.
T
T
T
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
Of
course,
if
the
city
continues
to
let
uber
and
lyft
operate
unregulated,
the
claimant's
attorneys
could
sue
the
city
for
potentially
millions
of
dollars
as
those
inch
as
those
companies
insurance
will
not
pay
the
cash
claim,
because
the
policy
is
only
a
general
liability
surplus
line
coverage
for
their
company.
Only
not
the
passenger.
T
AM
AN
AN
107
northwest
14th,
oklahoma
city.
I
have
several
things
here.
I'd
like
to
provide
for
you.
One
is
the
district
of
columbia
study
on
this
issue.
One
is
the
very
new
just
released
last
week,
smu
study
on
this
for
the
city
of
dallas,
and
I
have
a
copy
of
mr
ogden's
report,
because
yesterday,
when
I
talked
to
several
of
you,
no
one
had
seen
it
yet.
So
it's
very
good-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
you
read.
AN
AN
AN
These
ordinances
have
been
created
over
a
decade
and
when
we
tried
to
have
a
business
model
that
was
like
theirs.
The
city
council
on
the
traffic
committee
commission
said
this
is
not
in
the
best
interest
of
our
citizens.
It's
not
in
the
best
interest
of
our
citizens
that
you
can
surge
price
or
price.
You
know
charge
whatever
you
want.
AN
Your
rates
have
to
be
set,
so
you
put
that
on
us,
and
so
I
cry
foul
when
you
let
somebody
come
in
who
is
providing
a
vehicle
for
higher
service
the
same
as
mine
and
you're
going
to
allow
them
not
to
have
regulated
rates,
this
giant
multinational
corporation,
which
you've
heard
uber
17
billion
dollars,
and
I'm
just
little
pam
thompson,
oklahoma
city,
you
know
I'm
the
small
business
owner.
I
I'm
reliant
upon
you
to
look
out
for
me
and
protect
me
and
give
me
the
same
playing
field.
They.
AN
AN
The
only
difference
in
what
I'm
doing
and
what
they're
doing
is
we
take
phone
calls
and
the
way
the
current
ordinances
are
written.
The
proposed
ordinances
I
would
have
to
walk
away
from
my
call
center
because
they
are
not
allowed
to
take
phone
calls
and
I've
spent
my
family
spent
the
better
part
of
a
century,
building
this
business
and
providing
service
to
oklahomans,
and
we
we've
built
our
call
center.
I
love
this
business
model.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
people
here
would
make
great
cab
drivers.
AN
AN
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
have
a
flex
fleet
I'll,
be
honest.
The
first
of
the
month,
I
can't
handle
all
the
business
because
you
can't
create
that
much
dedicate
that
much
capital
for
one
week
in
a
month
you
have
to
you
have
to
have
an
equilibrium,
something
that
works
for
the
for
the
whole
month.
I
would
like
to
build
the
flex
fleet
like
they
can.
I
want
to
be
able
to
just
put
something
on
the
side
of
my
vehicle.
T
AN
For
me,
it's
the
insurance
issue
and-
and
I
there
was
something
that
was
said
here-
that's
wrong-
my
drivers,
their
cars,
they're,
all
independent
contractors.
I
do
not
own
a
single
vehicle.
My
pla,
my
business
model
is
just
like
theirs.
I
am
a
transportation
network
company.
I
put
drivers
and
riders
together.
We
and
we
tr.
You
know
we
give
them
what
they
need.
We
manage
them
to
become
a
taxi
driver,
but
they
own
their
own
cars
or
they
lease
their
own
cars.
AN
I
would
like
this
app
on
app
off
so
that
they
can,
because
private
insurance
is
so
much
less
expensive
than
commercial
insurance,
so
if
they
had
their
private
insurance-
and
I
just
had
to
provide
the
commercial
insurance
for
when
they
were
actually
working.
That
would
be
a
huge
benefit
and
any
any
business
owner
knows
that
your
costs
are
a
significant
driver.
In
it,
you
know,
advantages
and
disadvantages
of
your
system.
AN
You
know
that
a
cab
driver
cannot
legally
park
in
a
parking
space
in
oklahoma
city
if
we're
gonna.
If,
if
we
needed
to
pick
someone
up
in
this
building,
he
could
not
pull
into
one
of
those
parking
spaces
without
getting
ticketed,
and
I
assure
you
it
happens
on
a
regular
basis.
There
are
more
public
parking
spaces
than
there
are
taxi
stands.
The
taxi
stands
in
this
city
are
pitifully
few
and
far
between,
and
yet
every
one
of
these
drivers
can
park
in
any
public
space.
They
want.
AN
AN
So
I
have
to
get
what
I
give
what
I
call
a
spiff.
I
have
to
guarantee
him
a
good
run
or
do
something
to
to
encourage
a
driver
to
make
that
because
they're
independent
contractors
I
can't
force
them
to
go,
I
have
to
guarantee
them
some
other
good
run.
Well,
that's
that's
a
cost.
If
they
don't
have
to
do
those
things.
AN
T
AH
Hey
good
morning,
dr
shadeed
and
council,
many
of
you
know
me:
I've.
I've
been
a
lyft
driver
since
january
we've
heard
from
a
few
owner
management
type
people,
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
driver
I've
been
interested
in
public
transportation
issues
in
oklahoma
city
for
about
25
years
now,
and
I
became
a
driver
for
lyft.
So
I
can
a
little
bit
better
understand.
Transportation
issues
in
oklahoma
city
turns
out
they're
all
over
the
map.
Literally
and
figuratively.
AH
But
I'd
like
to
answer
some
questions.
I
had
a
bunch
of
bullet
points
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
but
several
questions
have
come
up
from
the
council
members
and
I
like
to
address
that
as
a
driver
that
probably
only
a
driver
can
answer
yeah
what
about
going
to
23rd
and
martin
luther
king
at
night.
I've
done
that.
You
know
and
that's
how
I
learned
about
bobo's
chicken,
I'm
glad
I
went
there,
you
know,
so
I
can
answer
that.
AH
Yes,
I
do
go
there
and
I've
been
over
to
culverton's
east
island
and
I've
dropped
off
and
picked
up
over
there
and
it's
a
and
it's
a
I've
worked
with.
In
the
neighborhood
over
there
for
quite
a
long
time,
pets
that
are
not
service
animals,
I've
taken
people's
pet
dogs
places
I've
taken
keys,
places,
no
passengers
just
keys.
Can
you
take
them
here?
You
know
I
picked
up
my
wife's
keys
by
mistake,
but
yes,
I
have
carried
dogs.
I
have
not
refused
to
take
a
dog.
AH
I've
not
had
a
person
with
disability,
request
a
ride
for
me
yet,
but
I've
been
wanting
and
trying
for
a
long
time
to
reach
out
to
my
friend
lauren
branch,
who
runs
the
oklahoma
league
for
the
blind
or
newview
oklahoma,
as
it's
called
now,
because
I
think
uber
lyft
or
a
taxi
service
of
any
kind
really
would
help
out
that
community,
the
community
of
disabled
people
and
I'm
eager
to
enter
into
that
dialogue
about
the
log.
I
keep.
AH
I
keep
a
log
personally
in
my
book
so
that
I
know
where
I've
been
so
I
get
paid
properly.
Uber
is
great
about
paying
me
on
time
for
everything
that
I
drive
for,
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
do
keep
a
log
anyways
dr
shadeed
asked
about
refusing
to
take
people
of
sexual
orientation.
I
never
knew
where
a
gay
bar
was
in
oklahoma
city,
but
I
know
where
about
all
of
them
are
now
you
know
I've
dropped
off
at
the
banner
high
low.
I
mean
I
know
where
all
these
places
are.
AH
I
do
not
deny
service
to
anybody
for
any
reason.
I
never
have
the
opportunity
exists.
The
rating
system
will
talk
about
the
rating
system
when
somebody
requests
a
ride,
their
rating
pops
up
and
when
they
are
looking
for
a
ride,
my
rating
shows
up
to
them,
so
they
can
decide.
They
don't
want
to
accept
a
ride
from
me.
Just
like
I
can
decide.
I
don't
want
to
accept
a
ride
from
them.
AH
Their
rating
shows
up,
and
I
have
15
seconds
or
so
to
accept
or
decline
a
ride,
and
if
I
decide
I
don't
want
to
give
someone
a
ride
who
has
a
low
rating,
then
I
simply
don't
accept
the
ride.
In
the
first
place,
I'm
not
discriminating
against
anybody.
I
just
don't
want
to
take
a
risk
of
giving
a
ride
to
somebody
who
may
be,
I
don't
know,
regularly,
throwing
up
the
backs
people's
cars,
for
example.
AH
AH
What
about
me
as
a
driver?
Well,
I've
been
driving
for
40
years.
I
was
neighborhood
alliance's
neighbor
of
the
year
last
year,
I'm
an
upstanding
citizen.
I
would
do
a
lot
of
work
in
the
community,
so
I'm
not
a
fly-by-night
individual.
What
about
my
car?
I
drive
a
very
nice
late
model
car.
It's
very
well
maintained,
serviced
by
the
dealer.
It's
it's
got
very
nice
leather
seats,
the
comfortable,
the
passenger
is
very
comfortable.
I
keep
it
clean
inside
and
out,
and
people
still
ask
me,
even
though
it's
three
years
old
is
this
a
new
car.
AH
AH
I
will
be
able
to
work
here
for
a
few
weeks
go
out
there,
help
my
parents
out
and
come
back
here
and
still
have
a
job
without
having
to
accrue
leave
in
advance.
That
level
of
flexibility
is
an
employment
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
people,
and
somebody
mentioned
earlier
graduate
students
or
people
who
are
be
between
jobs.
AH
AH
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
L
AO
AP
Hi,
my
name
is
april
mims,
I'm
a
representative
from
lyft.
My
address
is
584
market
street,
and
I'm
here
I
think,
we've
had
a
lot
of
great
comments
on
the
record.
One
of
the
things
I
did
want
to
point
out
is
that
we
do
have
a
community
of
lyft
drivers
that
are
here,
as
you
pointed
out,
councilwoman,
and
the
reason
they're
here
is
because
they
have
the
opportunity
to
onboard
with
the
lyft
service
very
quickly.
AP
One
of
the
things
that
lift-
and
I
believe,
uber
has
done.
A
great
job
of
doing-
is
providing
criminal
background
checks,
driver
record
checks
and
primary
insurance
coverage
for
drivers,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
love
the
service
and
why
they've
taken
many
hours
out
of
their
busy
schedule.
AP
AP
On
behalf
of
this
great
platform,
what
we're
worried
about
is
the
people
who
haven't
yet
tried
this
platform,
and
we
know
that
the
heart
of
the
lyft
platform
is
that
when
you
turn
on
this
app
and
when
you
open
up
the
lyft
app,
there
are
a
number
of
cars
that
are
around
that
are
available.
You
councilman,
you
asked
a
great
question
about
the
ability
of
lift
to
provide
service
to
underserved
neighborhoods.
This
is
an
important
issue
to
me
as
well.
AP
What
I
love
about
the
lyft
platform
is
that
it's
a
community-based
platform,
so
the
neighbors
are
providing
rides
to
neighbors
when
a
lift
request
goes
out.
The
first
person
that
receives
that
request
is
the
closest
driver,
so
somebody
who's
in
an
underserved
community
would
actually
receive
a
lift
from
a
member
of
that
community.
AP
AP
So
we
have
a
publicly
posted
rate.
That's
online.
The
rates
for
oklahoma
city,
I
believe,
are
a
dollar
trust
and
safety
fee.
A
dollar
eighty
base
fee.
It's
a
dollar
fifty
per
mile
and
twenty
cents
a
minute,
so
any
person
that's
receiving
a
ride
would
be
able
to
calculate
that
ahead
of
time.
If
there's
ever
a
question
about
or
a
concern
about
what
that
person
has
been
charged,
there's
actually
actually
a
link.
When
you
receive
your
e-receipt,
you
can
contact
lyft
automatically.
AP
AP
T
AP
Yeah
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
point
out,
because
I
got
to
stay
and
listen
to
a
great
conversation
about
the
streetcar.
That's
going
to
be
implemented
in
this
city,
and
I
think
one
of
the
great
ways
in
which
lyft
has
been
able
to
serve
as
a
resource
in
other
communities
is
providing
what
we
call
the
first
mile
last
mile
and
that's
basically
the
concept
that
people
want
to
use
public
transit.
AP
However,
if
you
for
people
who
don't
live
close
to
public
transit
if
they
have
to
get
into
their
vehicles
and
drive
all
the
way
to
the
public
transit
station,
they're,
probably
just
going
to
stay
in
their
car
and
continue
to
drive
all
the
way,
what
lift
and
services
like
if
the
louvre
uber
have
been
able
to
do
in
other
places,
is
to
provide
that
first
smile
or
last
mile
get
people
to
the
bus.
Get
people
to
the
streetcar.
Get
people
to
you
know
the
trolley
system
and
then
they're
more
likely
to
participate
in
public
transit.
V
Mr
mayor,
if
I
may,
you
have
mentioned
how
much
time
it
takes
away
for
a
lyft
driver
to
come
down
to
city
hall
wherever
the
the
vehicles
are
expected,
it
just
takes
too
much
time,
but
yet
you
have
drivers
here
currently
about
time
that
this
discussion
was
over
with.
They
would
have
been
here
four
or
five
hours.
V
So
if,
if
your
drivers
can
sit
here
through
this
meeting
and
which
is
going
to
be
a
long
one,
then
I'm
sorry
they
can
go
through
the
process
that
would
take
anywhere
between
15
minutes
to
an
hour
and
get
it
done.
So
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
buy
that
one
okay,
because
if
they
can
come
sit
through
this
meeting,
they
can
take
the
same
time
and
go
and
get
an
apartment.
V
You
know
what
dr
shadee,
you
may
be
right,
but
besides
the
physical
examination,
but
but
them
just
coming
down
here,
I
think
that's
15
15
minutes
to
an
hour
from
what
I've
been
told
by
staff,
but
I'm
not
including
a
driver
coming
to
see
you
and
you
know
that
may
take
several
days.
So
I
just
don't
know:
okay.
T
AP
I
haven't
seen
the
the
most
current
draft.
I
was
able
to
see
a
draft
that
was
posted
on
the
internet,
I
believe
in
late
july,
and
we
do
believe
it's
a
model
that
provides
a
regulatory
framework
but
will
not
crush
the
business
model.
One
of
the
key
elements
of
that
ordinance
that
we've
seen
and
many
other
ordinance
across
the
country,
including
washington,
d.c
detroit
minneapolis
baton
rouge,
is
that
it's
actually
the
transportation
network
company.
AP
That's
licensed
one
of
the
things
you
all
should
consider
as
you
go
to
approve
this
ordinance
is
the
fact
that
you're
going
to
have
capacity
issues
in
terms
of
law
enforcement
and
people
being
able
to
manage
the
amount
of
drivers
that
are
going
to
come
in
to
try
and
get
permitted
and
you're
also
going
to
have
to
enforce
that
process.
What
we're
saying
is
allow
the
company
to
be
licensed
in
this
city
and
hold
that
company
accountable
for
conducting
criminal
background
checks,
conducting
driver
record
checks.
AP
You
know
making
sure
that
the
vehicle's
in
good
condition
you
can
audit
us.
You
can
subject
us
to
reporting,
but
don't
put
the
burden
on
drivers.
We're
not
just
concerned
about
current
drivers,
we're
concerned
about
people
who
are
going
to
use
this
platform
in
the
future.
The
goal
is
for
everyone
in
this
room
to
be
a
lyft
driver
in
the
future
if
they
meet
the
requirements.
AP
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
I'm
not
asking
y'all
for
anything.
Our
city
is
lacking
horribly
when
it
comes
to
public
transit,
let's
not
make
it
more
difficult
to
have
this
public
transit
here.
If
anything,
let's
make
it
easier
for
yellow
cab
and
these
other
cabs
limo
services
to
be
here-
and
you
talked
about
deregulating
some
of
the
yellow
cabs.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
if
it's
just
as
simple
as
letting
them
park
in
a
parking
spot
and
giving
it
a
playing
field,
that's
what
we
need
to
do
and
that's
my
two
cents.
Thank.
AR
AR
My
name
is
west
probable,
3409
southwest
or
northwest
39th
street,
I'm
a
independent
driver
for
thundercab,
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
take
a
little
different
approach
to
this
ordinance
as
a
high
school
all-state
debater.
When
I
debated
the
negative
side,
there
are
two
things
you
attack
and
has
are
funding
and
enforcement.
AR
AR
However,
within
the
last
week,
I've
seen
airport
express,
which
is
by
ordinance
supposed
to
go
to
and
from
the
airport,
only
downtown,
picking
up
a
a
passenger
ray
breaks,
the
code
in
front
of
police
officers
who
are
either
a
not
aware
of
the
code
or
b,
don't
really
care
because
they
want
to
get
rid
of
the
passenger.
I've
seen
taxi
cabs
parked
in
parking
meters,
and
I
get
ticketed
for
I've
seen
taxi
cabs
park
in
in
no
parking
zones
right
in
front
of
the
bars
that
supposedly
we
can't
do
again.
Nobody
does
anything.
AR
That
he's
got
to
try
to
take
care
of
with
all
the
paperwork
and
all
the
changes
that
happen
on
the
day-to-day
and
then
you're
asking
another
three
or
four
hundred
lyft
drivers
to
come
in.
They
don't
have
the
proper
staffing
to
enforce
it,
and
then
the
other
issue
in
that
area
is
a
lot
of
the
police.
Officers
are
just
unaware.
AR
But
the
officers
need
to
understand
that
we're
out
to
make
money
and
if
a
limousine
who
happens
to
be
going
by
or
a
lyft
driver
who
happens
to
be
going
by
they
flag
him
down,
picks
him
up.
Takes
him.
That's
money
out
of
my
pocket
because,
as
a
taxi
driver,
I'm
allowed
to
cruise
lifts
not
allowed
to
cruise
lyft
has
to
have
everything.
AR
I've
seen
lyft
people,
I've
seen
uber
people
out
at
concerts
at
the
airpark
a
couple
weeks
ago.
As
a
taxi
cab.
I
pulled
up
to
sit
to
wait
for
people
to
come
out
from
the
concert.
There
were
five
lift
cabs
there.
None
of
them
had
a
pre-range
call.
In
fact,
when
another
cab
came
in
all
of
them
left
because
they
knew
that
hey,
they
were
gonna
get
in
trouble
because
they're
not
supposed
to
pick
up
unless
it's
pre-arranged.
AR
AR
AR
That
money
then
would
be
earmarked
towards
mr
dancing,
his
division
only
for
him
to
allow
a
couple
officers
to
actually
patrol
the
streets,
looking
not
for
you
know,
fights
and
stuff,
but
specifically
saying:
okay,
there's
a
bellman
that
paid
off
this
driver
for
a
ride.
Hey,
that's
illegal!
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
ticket,
we'll
walk
around
and
make
sure
just
an
idea.
Any
questions.
AS
My
name
is
james
keenan
jr
I
live
at
201,
south
creekdale
drive
apartment,
711,
norman
oklahoma
73072.
I
come
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
drivers.
From
our
point
of
view,
I
moved
to
oklahoma
city
from
chicago
in
2010,
after
leaving
fort
still
in
09,
so
I
could
come
back
here
and
be
closer
to
my
daughter.
She
wasn't
born
at
the
time
she
was
born
later
on.
AS
AS
When
I
first
came
to
the
city,
I
started
out
downtown
with
the
city
rescue
mission.
It
took
me
seven
months
before
a
bed
opened
up
with
the
homeless,
the
veterans
homeless
program.
I
stayed
there
from
2011
to
2012.
I
had
a
handful
of
odd
jobs
around
the
city,
but
none
of
them.
Last
once
I
disclosed
my
physical
limitations
and
on
one
point
I
worked
at
jack
in
the
box.
AS
I
woke
up
on
a
sunday
a
couple
hours
before
my
shift.
I
had
to
go
to
the
er
for
a
medical
emergency.
I
called
my
boss
and
he
fired
me
on
the
spot
because
his
position
or
his
he
had
a
policy
saying
if
you
call
in
on
the
weekend
it
doesn't
matter.
What's
four
year
fired,
I
contacted
corporate,
they
fired
him,
but
they
didn't
give
me
my
job
back,
so
I
moved
around
to
any
other
job
I
could
get.
AS
I
ended
up
getting
a
forklift
job
and
I
was
there
for
about
five
months.
I
saved
up
11
grand
got
out
of
the
homeless
program
got
my
own
place,
but
after
a
while
they
switched
me
to
second
shift
with
all
the
medications
I
was
on
for
my
spine.
I
wasn't
able
to
handle
the
shift
switching
in
the
time
that
they
liked,
so
they
fired
me
for
that.
AS
AS
I
have
several
daily
medications.
I
need
to
take
to
care
for
my
spine
when
I
take
them,
they
often
make
me
drowsy
or
make
me
sleep
randomly
for
a
few
hours
throughout
the
day
because
of
this
I'm
not
able
to
work
a
standard
schedule
which
makes
holding
any
job
pretty
much
impossible
earlier
this
morning,
I
might
have
noticed
I
dozed
off
for
about
a
half
hour.
AS
AS
AT
Hello,
my
name
is
lauren
moore,
1150
northwest
80th.
I
am
a
teacher
and
a
coach,
so
real
simple.
This
is
a
great
supplement
to
my
salary
and
being
in
the
lift
community.
I
feel,
like
you,
have
a
lot
of
passionate
drivers
that
are
working
for
this
company,
which
creates
such
a
good.
I
guess
aura
for
people
getting
picked
up
and
with
my
players
and
my
students
graduating
and
a
lot
of
them.
Moving
to
norman,
I
feel,
like
my
mind,
is
put
at
ease
that
they
can
use
lyft
services
to
stay
safe
after
high
school
thanks.
AU
Truly
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
jimmy
durant.
I
live
at
8,
800
sheringham
drive,
I'm
president
of
ward
1,
former
resident
of
ward
8.,
I'm
here
today.
First
of
all
to
thank
the
staff.
Thank
you
guys
for
listening
to
us,
but
I
don't
only
want
to
thank
chief
barry
and
his
staff.
I
want
to
thank
chief
city
and
deputy
chief
mcdonald
because
they've
been
in
meetings
as
well
and
and
they
haven't
gotten
their
due
credit
yet
today,
so
I
want
to
thank
those
two
on
the
insurance
issue.
AU
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
national
insurance
association,
the
national
insurance
commissioners
association,
had
a
national
meeting
last
week
in
tennessee
they
determined
that
the
insurance
was
not
in
their
opinion.
They
didn't
have
a
good
handle
on
it.
Quite
honestly,
so
they
have
established.
AU
The
regulators
across
this
country
have
established
a
working
group
to
look
into
the
insurance
of
lyft
and
uber.
So
if
our
regulators
of
the
state
insurance
boards,
don't
feel
comfortable
to
say
yes,
it's
adequate
right
now,
I'm
not
sure
that
anybody
in
this
room
or
even
outside
of
this
room,
can
say
it's
adequate
on
the
rating
issue.
Earlier,
chief
berry
was
asked
about
the
cab
rates
and
if
they
had
to
go
before
the
traffic
commission,
yes
they
do
when
they
set
their
rates
initially,
when
the
city
approved
their
rates.
AU
AU
I
think
one
of
the
other
issues
that
I
want
to
touch
on
is
safety
and
security
of
the
citizens
of
the
state
of
oklahoma
and
the
cities,
the
citizens
of
oklahoma
city,
in
particular,
in
every
cab
that
you
get
into,
be
it
yellow
or
thunder,
or
green
or
checker.
There
are
some
numbers
that
are
prominently
posted
one
of
them
is
the
city
action
line.
AU
AU
I
think,
taking
care
of
our
citizens
quickly
and
efficiently
is
one
of
the
primary
functions
of
the
city
council
and
the
traffic
commission
and
the
law
enforcement
officers.
Thank
you,
mr
turn.
Thank
you.
If
I
could
make
one
other
point
real
quickly,
sure
you
have
to
have
a
smartphone
and
a
credit
card
to
use
their
apps.
I
have
a
handicapped
friend,
a
mentally
handicapped
friend
that
works
for
homeland
in
northwest
oklahoma
city.
He
gets
to
and
from
work
by
bicycle
if
the
weather
is
good.
AU
AV
AV
AV
The
problem
becomes
when
you
have
your
app
on
to
the
moment
you
match,
if
you're
out
driving
around
with
your
app
on-
and
all
you
have,
is
your
personal
coverage
and
the
umbrella
coverage
you're
driving
uninsured,
because
no
personal,
auto,
auto
policy
is
going
to
cover
you
if
you're
driving
around
looking
for
a
ride
or
a
fare.
So
that's
a
big
concern
that
it
needs
to
be
closed,
but
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
clear
that
up
a
little
bit
from
our
perspective
on
what
we
see
out
there.
AV
AQ
AW
There's
a
lot
of
speculation
about
what
might
happen.
I
mean
one
one
obvious
question
two
speakers
ago:
there's
an
800
number,
their
numbers
posted
in
the
cabs,
how
many
people
actually
call
the
city
to
complain
when
I
first
moved
here,
I
had
several
people.
Tell
me
taxi
service,
oklahoma
city.
Don't
count
on
it.
Do
something
else.
AW
That's
what
I
had
residents
warned
me
about
right:
how
many
people
call
that
number?
It
would
be
a
good
way
to
measure
the
public's
faith
in
the
city's
ability
to
do
something
about
those
complaints
versus
how
many
people
rate
drivers
or
passengers
on
uber
and
lyft.
From
from
what
I've
heard,
it
sounds
like
that.
AW
I
I
like
to
step
back
because
I'm
sort
of
a
student
of
the
history
of
regulation.
The
reason
why
we
regulate
is
not
simply
public
safety.
It's
actually
that
that
is
the
objective
right,
but
but
you
all
don't,
I,
I
think,
simply
assert
that
you
just
know
better
than
everybody
else
as
a
general
rule
right.
The
reason
why
we
have
regulation
is
because
of
problems
in
information
flow
and
there's
an
additional
reason
when
it
comes
to
things
like
taxis
and
hoteliers.
AW
That's
that
is
that
it's
a
network
industry-
and
there
are
specific
interests
in
that
and
in
information
flow
right.
The
innovation
of
uber
and
lyft
is
that
they
have
solved
at
least
part
of
the
problem.
That
was
the
reason
why
we
regulated
these
taxi
services
in
the
first
place,
which
is
that
the
contract
is
sort
of
formed
with
a
taxi.
When
I
step
in
in
that
door
right,
I
have
no
information
at
that
point.
AW
When
I'm
waving
on
the
street,
I
have,
I
don't
even
get
to
choose
really
who
pulls
over
and
picks
me
up.
That
is
a
huge
information
problem.
The
regulations
were
designed
in
part
to
solve
that
problem.
Uber
and
lyft
are
part
of
a
revolution
allowing
people
to
actually
have
the
information
that
they
never
used
to
have
to
create
these
contracts
ahead
of
time
right
in
the
network
industry
right,
the
network
for
a
cab
company
is
actually
the
cabs
out
moving
around
the
city,
that
is,
the
network.
AW
The
network
for
uber
and
lyft
is
different
right,
so
so
a
passenger
in
a
taxi
is
the
user
of
the
network
for
uber
and
lyft
the
passenger
and
the
driver
is
using
that
network
and
the
tulsa
model.
As
I
understand
it
is
to
say,
look
what
we
need
to
regulate
is
the
network
there's
still
a
network
industry
interest
here
in
government
regulation,
but
but
the
driver
is
as
much
a
user
of
the
network
as
the
passenger
right
and
they
have
transcended
this,
this
old
problem
that
we
had
of
information
flow.
AW
AW
If,
if
that
is
what's
actually
happened
and
no
one's,
no
one
here
seems
to
know
any
sand
you
throw
in
those
gears
is
hurting
people
right
that
that
much
is
is
clear.
So
I
I
submit,
I
I
humbly
submit
that
the
city
should
do
the
humble
thing
right
and
wait
and
see
and
actually
wait
for
some
data
and
some
analysis
rather
than
just
speculation.
AW
AW
And
we
know
this
is
true
in
any
case,
no
matter
how
good
the
regulations
are
is
that
it
creates
barriers
to
entry,
creates
cartelization
and,
and
frankly,
it's
it's.
The
reason
why
the
taxi
industry
feels
so
at
risk
in
the
face
of
uber
and
lyft
is
that
they
have
enjoyed
this
barrier
to
entry
which,
which
frankly
allows
them
to
offer
worse
customer
service
than
than
in
more
competitive
industries,
and
in
any
I
mean
that's
just
basic
economics
right,
it's
not
a
slight
on
anyone.
It's
just
the
reality.
T
AW
AW
T
AX
AX
Okay.
I
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
this
discussion,
explaining
how
the
tnc's
and
tnvs
do
anything
that
taxicabs
already
aren't
providing
or
can't
provide.
We
hear
how
the
app
is
so
wonderful
and
it
connects
people
so
well.
Thundercabs
have
been
operating
on
an
app
since
2012
summer,
2012.
started
off
as
cabulous.
Now
they
call
it
flywheel,
does
exactly
what
these
others
are
doing.
You
open
the
app
you
push
the
button.
The
cab
comes.
AX
AX
People
say
that
we
we
can't
surge
price.
We
haven't
been
surge
pricing.
Well,
we
could
search
price.
We
have
never
done
anything
like
that
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
Number
one.
We
don't
think
it's
fair,
but
we've
not
turned
on
that
technology,
because
it's
not
legal
for
us
to
do
it.
You've
not
seen
it
in
an
app
that
we
have
because
we're
not
allowed
to
okay,
we
can
do
all
that
stuff.
AX
I
hear
that
there's
barriers
to
entry,
you
know
the
process
of
getting
a
permit.
A
driver
can
come
and
see
me
in
the
office.
I
can
give
them
some
papers.
They
go
out
by
that
afternoon.
They're
completely
legal
they've
got
their
permits.
They've
got
everything.
It's
not
a
difficult
process,
there's
a
little
bit
of
money
involved.
But
if
there's
anything
that's
worth
doing,
you
need
to
have
a
little
investment
have
a
little
skin
in
the
game.
If
you're
not
serious
about
it,
you
just
want
to
play
around
sure.
AX
You
don't
want
to
have
nothing
invested,
but
having
the
city
know
who
they
are.
I
think
sergeant
dancing
could
probably
give
some
examples
of
how
knowing
who
the
drivers
are
has
helped
quite
a
bit
in
protecting
the
citizens,
because
when
there's
complaints,
he's
got
a
list
of
who
the
licensed
drivers
are.
You've
got
hundreds
of
drivers
with
these
other
companies,
the
city,
don't
have
them
on
record,
they
don't
have
anything.
We
don't
know
the
question
about.
Is
you
know?
AX
AX
T
V
Go
ahead,
you
know,
I
think
competition
is
great.
The
discussions
that
has
been
going
on
for
the
last
several
months
about
you
would
lift
taxes.
Cash
limos,
I
think,
have
totally
been
great
and
I
believe
competition
is
great.
I
think
lyft's
president
and
you
was
present
presence,
is
making
the
taxicab
organization
think.
But
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
is
the
level
of
playing
the
field.
To.
V
V
V
I
First
of
all,
there's
a
economic
theory
that
says
regulations
substitute
for
competition.
As
long
as
you
have
viable
competitors
in
the
market,
you
don't
need
to
regulate.
The
regulation
will
be
become
between
the
competing
competing
company
organizations
that
are
in
that
business,
so
we
don't
have
to
regulate
the
tax
ads
any
longer.
I
Q
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
the
one
phrase
that
was
said
that
I
think
is
a
really
good
phrase
is
regulatory
framework
and
I
I
feel
like
so
many
times
we
want
to
get
down
in
the
weeds
and
we
want
to
pinpoint
every
little
thing
and
say
this
is
exactly
how
you're
supposed
to
do
it
when
those
are
the
things
that
the
companies
should
be
doing.
Q
I,
I
think
the
biggest
issue
that
I
heard
about
with
uber
there's
two
issues
that
that
seem
to
be
a
problem
with
uber
and
lyft
from
my
perspective
and
it's
what
the
farmer's
insurance
agent
said
about
that
gap
between
turning
your
turning
your
app
on
and
picking
somebody
up
and
that
it
no
insurance
policy
covers
that.
I
mean
that
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
that
definitely
needs
to
be
fixed.
Q
I
mean
there
needs
to
be
something
to
wear
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
that
we
need
to
do
or
something
that
the
that
the
companies
need
to
do
and
then
the
other
thing
is
that
they
aren't
registered
with
the
with
the
state
of
oklahoma
as
a
as
a
business.
To
operate
in
our
state,
I
find
that
really
strange.
Q
I
I
I
feel,
like
I
feel,
like
that's
kind
of
the
big,
my
big
idea,
at
least
that
the
of
how
we're
some
of
the
changes
that
probably
need
to
be
made
to
ours
is
is
giving
a
little
bit
less
detail
in
how
we
exactly
are
regulating
there's
so
much
detail
in
it.
That
is
going
to
have
enforcement
issues.
It's
going
to
have
a
lot
of
those
things
and
I
think
the
competition
is
going
to
to
handle
most
of
it.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
R
R
R
I
look
at
this,
though,
as
a
situation
where
the
cab
companies
have
an
advantage
currently
due
to
the
regulations
and
and
and
unfortunately,
I
think,
you're
asking
for
us
to
take
that
advantage
away
and
I'm
just
sharing
from
my
personal
experience.
After
almost
40
years
in
business,
when
I
travel,
I've
always
used
cabs
and
I
always
will
continue
to
use
cabs.
It's
nothing
against
lift
or
uber.
It's
just
that,
pat
when
you
get
to
a
certain
age,
you
just
don't
change
too
easily
and.
R
So
I
think
there
are
some
advantages
to
this
new
share
ride
service,
but
from
my
standpoint,
I'll
only
use
a
cab,
especially
when
I'm
going
into
a
city
that
I'm
not
too
familiar
with.
I
get
a
feeling
of
comfort
knowing
that
they
are
regulated
and
I
feel
more
comfortable
or
safer.
However,
you
want
to
say
it
by
using
a
cab,
so
I'd
hate
for
you
all
to
lose
that
advantage,
that
being
the
cab
companies.
R
I
can
just
imagine
some
of
the
problems
some
passengers
create
for
cab
drivers
and
to
have
the
ability
to
rate
that
person
say
you're
better
off
just
to
avoid
them.
If
our
profession
could
somehow
provide
a
rating
system
for
clients
to
where
we
would
know,
hey
that
group
right,
there
is
going
to
cause
you
trouble.
R
It
would
save
us
a
lot
of
challenge,
and
you
know,
speaking
of
our
profession,
a
part
of
our
profession
deals
with
preparation
of
income
tax
returns.
Anybody
can
prepare
them.
We
self-regulate
through
the
oklahoma
society
of
cpas,
the
american
institute
of
cpas.
We
welcome
that
registration
that
regulation,
because
we
recognize
they
hold
ourselves
up
to
a
higher
standard.
R
R
They're
they're
comfortable
with
the
structure
that
you
have
in
place
and
I
think
you'll
continue
to
get
the
business
community
supporting
cab
companies.
Let
these
share
ride.
Companies
enter
into
a
new
approach
to
providing
this
service.
I
I
think,
there's
some
advantages
that
they
can
offer
if
their
rates
are
lower
than
cad
companies
to
especially
people
who
truly
depend
on
these
types
of
services
that
are
not
are
in
a
low
income
level.
So
I'm
leaning
towards
not
going
through
with
the
recommendations.
R
I
think
you're
actually
hurting
yourself
just
from
a
public
perception
standpoint,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
maintain
that
high
level
of
quality
that
that
you've
earned
over
the
years
in
the
service
that
you
provide-
and
I
would
encourage
us-
because
we
are
always
tempted
to
do
this-
not
to
play
the
parent
not
to
get
involved
in
issues
where
free
enterprise,
the
participants
of
free
enterprise,
can
compete
against
each
other.
Thank
you.
J
AY
Q
AE
AT
AT
F
AT
J
W
W
W
We
shouldn't
we
ought
to
just
get
rid
of
it.
We,
I
think
we
we
need
to
that's
my
view,
I'm
going
to
vote
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this
ordinance
because
I
think
it's
unfair
to
the
cab
companies
not
to
vote
for
it,
but
if
we
want
to
have
a
simultaneous
vote
or
have
one
after
the
other
that
says
we're
going
to
deregulate
everything.
Well,
then,
let's
do
it,
but
you.
T
W
No,
I
mean
it's
what
I'm
hearing
we're
saying
that
we
now
now
that
we
have
this
competition,
we
don't
need
regulation,
that's
a
price.
I
I
I
agree
that
regulation
that
has
to
do
with
competition
and
solely
I
think
regulation
has
to
do
with
with
the
quality
of
service.
I
think
it
has
to
do
with
public
safety.
I
think
it
has
to
do
with
lots
of
things
you're
talking
about
two
different
things.
Regulations
always
talk
as
far
as
you're
concerned.
Pat
I'm
always
talking
about
you.
Yeah.
I
Not
since
you
got
a
beard,
you
look
like
abraham,
you
look
like
abraham,
lincoln,
with
l
o
lincoln.
The
competition
aspect
is
in
price.
I
think
the
city
still
must
retain
its
its
rights
to
ensure
the
safety
of
our
citizens,
and
that
would
be
inspection
of
the
cab.
Somehow
it
would
not
be
a
totally
regulation.
It
would
be
a
deregulation
of
price
that
would
allow
the
cab
companies
to
put
in
surge
pricing
or
time
of
night.
I
W
My
point
is,
they
ought
to
have
the
same
insurance
requirements.
They
ought
to
have
the
same
parking
space
requirements
and
I
don't
know
how
you
do
that
without
just
saying
I
mean
obviously
the
uber
lift
insurance
requirements.
Don't
work,
I
mean
they're,
not
re,
it's
not
real
insurance
in
the
same
sense
that
we
we
require
the
cab
companies
to
do
so.
We
either
just
say
you
take
your
chances
or
you
are
we
don't.
I
mean
regulation
in
our
duty.
W
I
W
I
Well,
they
were
concerned
about
the
ability
to
change
their
race
at
will,
because
I
heard
pam
talk
about
that,
and
that
was
one
aspect.
I
think
the
city
has
no
bill.
There's
no
role
in
that
anymore.
The
minute
we
had
a
second
choice.
The
citizens
had
a
second
choice.
There
was
another
cab
company
or
the
the
models
that
we're
looking
at
today
and
the
price
rate
price
regulation
became
unnecessary.
W
W
I
I
J
Go
ahead:
well,
one
option
would
be.
You
know,
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
different
things
out
here
and-
and
I
I
heard
some
things
pete
said
I'm
hearing
deregulation,
not
deregulation,
partial
deregulation,
councilman
ryan,
you
know,
we've
got
an
ordinance,
that's
out
there.
We
you
know.
If
you
would
like
to
submit
an
amendment
to
that.
That
says
we're
going
to
deregulate
the
rate
portion
of
it.
Q
J
J
T
Then
we
so
we'll
move
it
forward,
which
it
sounds
like
we're
obligated
to
do.
Everybody
will
submit
proposed
amendments
to
the
city
manager
over
the
next
two
weeks.
If
there's
a
pattern
or
if
we
want
it
and
then
if
one
gets
adopted,
we
can
strike
or
add
to
it
on
september
9th,
but
we
have.
We
have
to
move
this
particular
ordinance
forward
to
september
9.
and.
T
All
right,
I
I
am
curious.
I
I
think
there's
a
provision
that
if
a
vehicle
gets
in
an
accident,
it
has
to
report
that
within
24
hours
to
the
inspector-
and
I
don't
think
any
other
city
or
state
does
that,
and
I
don't
like
to
be
an
outlier
sometimes
so
I'd
be
curious
right.
So
I'd
be
curious.
Why?
Why
that
provision's
in
there?
T
M
Is
that
what
you're,
what
you're
saying?
In
other
words,
we
have
a
period
of
time,
jim
or
if
I
have
a
particular
issue
with
with
this
regulation
right
here
I
can
say
I
would
like
this
particular
regulation,
either
stricken
or
changed,
and
so
we
have
time
to
do
that.
We
don't
have
to
do
that
today
from
the
horseshoe.
That's
right.
T
J
F
J
T
J
Traffic
commission
is
a
recommending
body
on
this.
I
don't
know
if
there's
an
absolute
answer
on
that
councilman,
it's
one
of
those
things
that
sometimes
when
you
get
wrecked,
you
know
we
do
change
recommendations.
You
go
against
recommendations
of
folks
that
come
back
in,
but
that
would
be
an
option
that
the
council
would
have
would
be
if
there
were
major
changes
to
put
it
back
to
the
traffic
commission,
that
that
is
an
option.
J
M
R
I
V
I
Well,
yeah,
I'm
not
big
on
fairness,
but
I
think
this
is
we.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
this,
but
I
think
they
have
the
same
requirements.
Insurance
is
the
key
issue
because
we
are
looking
for
the
safety,
because
I
don't
care
what
they
wreck
their
cars
if
they
get
killed
with
the
passenger.
Well
see
so
he's
the
victim.
BA
A
Right
we're
just
introducing
it
today,
there'll
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
september.
9Th
final
adoption
is
currently
scheduled
for
september
23rd.
So
if
anyone
has
an
opinion
on
this
september,
9th
would
be
the
time
to
show
up
at
a
council
meeting.
I
heard
a
motion
in
a
second
and
it
passed
unanimously
to
be
moved
forward.
Public
hearing
on
september,
9th
item
8j
is
another
item
that's
being
introduced
today
and
doug
kupper
is
here
to
tell
us
about
both
j
and
k.
BB
Good
afternoon,
mayor
city,
council,
I'll
try
to
brief
brief
today,
as
our
usage
of
the
will
rogers
facilities
goes
up
in
popularity
with
the
investments
that
the
city
made
in
improving
the
facilities
we,
the
staff,
is
requested
that
we
take
some
actions
to
to
before
you
to
try
to
firm
up
how
we
do
business.
One
of
those
historic
things
that
we
haven't
allowed
in
parks
is
glass
containers.
BB
BB
BB
So
we
are
recommending
that
a
cleanup
deposit
be
implemented
and
as
again
as
as
I
said,
the
popularity
is
getting
to
be
a
high
point.
We
think
the
value
of
that
facility
after
it
was
re
remodeled
extensively.
Remodeled
requires
us
to
ask
that
you
allow
us
to
increase
the
cost
of
of
the
rental
of
the
will
rogers
conservatory.
So
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
specific
nature
is,
in
your
documents,
being
happy
to
answer.
A
BB
Sir,
thank
you
item
k
is
our
fish
and
game
recommendations
for
changes
to
our
ordinances
that
regulates
our
close
to
home
fishing
lakes,
as
well
as
the
types
of
fish
and
the
numbers
of
fish
and
things
along
those
lines.
Again,
it's
some
housekeeping
we're
taking
the
oklahoma
river
off
the
close
to
home
it's
hard
to
control
where
the
fish
go
in
that
environment
things
along
those
lines.
A
All
right
and
again,
that
item
is
also
set
for
a
public
hearing
on
september,
9th
with
final
adoption
on
september
23rd.
We
need
to
take
these
separately,
though,
how
about
a
motion
on
item
8j
to
move
it
forward,
cast
your
votes
pass
unanimously
and
then
item
8k
to
move
that
one
forward
cast
your
votes.
Thank
you,
doug.
Thank
you
on
item
eight
l,
it's
a
public
hearing
regarding
dilapidated
structures.
Is
there
anyone
here,
hoping
to
speak
under
any
item
listed
under
8l
all
right?
How
about
a
motion
to
move
these
forward
move?
A
A
AD
Just
a
quick
summary
public
hearing
on
a
loan
section,
108
loan
provided
to
the
21c
hotel,
it's
a
final
hearing
from
the
city
council.
It's
part
of
the
final
process
for
the
process
by
the
housing
community
development
through
federal
government,
as
well
as
part
of
the
negotiated
deal
with
the
developer.
That
was
done
previously
this
year
and
earlier
last
year,.
A
C
I
AD
T
AD
Are
a
number
of
different
alternatives?
The
way
these
loans
are
evaluated
is
by
request.
So
it's
not
a
pool
of
funds
necessarily
available.
I
mean
it
is,
but
the
process
to
be
used
is
an
application
by
a
developer
for
the
use
of
the
funds,
as
opposed
to
say,
a
request
for
proposals
for
the
use
of
the
funds.
AD
So
there
are
no
necessarily
competing
projects
for
the
amount
and
the
amount
is
in
a
set
amount.
It's
based
on
an
evaluation
of
the
performa,
so
it
could
be
2
million,
3
million
4
million.
What
have
you?
The
number
is
based
on
the
request
by
the
developer,
how
that
would
fit
to
the
performer
and
then
how
the
city
would
be
collateralized
on
the
loan
I
mean
do.
AD
Yes
for
the
well,
there
is
conventional
financing
as
part
of
this
project,
but
this
deal
in
terms
of
the
building
its
location
and
the
proposed
use
actually
does
fit
very
well
with
the
amount
and
different
types
of
funding
they
have
tried
to
secure.
It
is
not
something
that
we
think
would
be
100
conventionally,
financed
or
or
traditionally
financed
by
a
bank
that
the
well.
J
Okay,
the
problem
is,
is
the
perfect
performer.
I
mean
they've
got
first
of
all,
there's
only
there's
two
million
dollars
of
grant
allocation
from
the
tip.
It's
two
million
dollars,
there's
a
which
one
of
the
things
that
tiff
has
been
doing
more
and
more
of
his
loans,
and
so
there's
a
tif
loan
allocation.
That's
in
there
with
the
rate
of
return
on
that
and
then
there's
this
loan
and
then
there's
the
rest
of
the
money
that
goes
into
it.
T
T
AD
AD
AD
Another
use
like
housing
or
something
else
may
not
be
as
catalytic.
We
have
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
other
types
of
investment
it
will
spur.
There
are
the
the
direct,
so
that's
the
interest
and
the
the
money
will
make
off
of
the
loan,
which
over
20
years,
could
be
as
much
as
a
million
dollars,
there's
the
the
indirect
but
directly
to
the
city
in
terms
of
the
sales
tax
and
the
hotel
tax.
AD
But
then
there's
also
the
the
additional
development
that
we
feel
that
development
would
spur
the
true
economic
development
of
west
downtown.
That's
an
area
that
has
always
been
on
the
fringe
of
redeveloping
and
taking
advantage
of
the
momentum
of
the
rest
of
downtown,
and
we
think
this
is
the
anchor
that
will
serve
not
only
to
catalyze
investment
around
that,
but
also
maybe
other
areas
around
the
classroom,
western
corridor.
Okay,.
AD
AD
It's
amortized
over
20
years,
but
the
primary
term
for
the
108
is
seven
to
correspond
with
the
financing
structure
so
that
the
1.5
percent,
for
example,
goes
for
seven
years
and
then
the
project
will
need
to
refinance
and
then
new
to
either
the
there'll.
Be
a
balloon
payment
to
reduce
the
loan
or
there'll
be
different
terms,
negotiated.
A
Any
other
questions
for
ian
all
right.
Well,
this
is
the
public
hearing.
Let
me
ask:
is
this
the
final
vote,
so
this
is
a
public
hearing
and
a
resolution
to
amend
the
plan.
So
I
get.
The
short
answer
is
a
yes
all
right.
Is
there
anyone
here
hoping
to
speak
on
this
item
before
we
vote
all
right?
Do
we
have
a
motion?
A
Rhonda
item
eight,
oh-
and
this
begins
a
series
of
revolt,
revocable
right
away
permits.
It's
like
we
have
about
six
or
seven
of
them.
These
will
need
to
be
voted
on
separately.
The
first
is
to
hold
the
red
man
triathlon
around
lake
hefner.
Is
there
anyone
here
hoping
to
represent
that
issue?
Please
david
david,
we'll
need
your
name
and
address.
BC
Will
be
year
number
ten
wow
it's
gone
quickly.
It
has
just
as
a
point
of
interest
as
far
as
the
stage
for
the
event
where
the
regional
championships
this
year,
we've
just
last
week,
been
awarded
the
national
championships
in
2015
and
then
in
february,
we're
designated
as
the
host
for
the
world
championships
in
2016..
So
the
stage
is
growing
ever
larger.
For
us.
A
It's
a
tremendous
event.
I
know
that
water
trust
is
invested.
They
have
helped
with
some
of
the
infrastructure
to
make
it
easier
for
the
swimmers
to
get
into
the
water,
and
you
bet,
I
think
the
water
levels
are
probably
adequate
for
you.
They
are
that's
been
a
problem.
Occasionally
in
the
past
too,
we.
A
A
A
A
I
A
I
AY
Marion
council,
josh
ryan,
with
special
events-
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
the
details
on
that.
It's
a
it's
a
local
non-profit
each
year
that
they
they
partner
with
and
work
to,
do
some
fundraising
for
them
as
a
part
of
the
event
josh.
You
know
what
they
do.
No,
no,
sir!
I
don't
thank
him.
Sorry.
Thank
you.
A
A
They
were
here
earlier
and
in
absentia.
Will,
I
assume,
approve
their
request?
Is
there
a
motion
in
a
second
cast,
your
votes
it
passed
unanimously
item
805
is
the
request
from
the
farmer's
help
point
to
hold
the
robert
brady
memorial
5k
run.
This
room
would
take
place
in
ward,
8
and
aaron
campbell
signed
up
to
speak.
A
Your
votes,
it
passes
you
down
wesley
item.
Ap
is
a
couple
of
revocable
permits.
Item
eight
p.
One
is
friends
of
multi-sport
to
hold
the
red
man,
triathlon
and
half
triathlon,
and
this
is,
I
guess,
an
accompanying
issue.
Along
with
the
resolution
we've
already
passed,
allow
them
to
hold
the
events.
How
about
a
motion?
Move?
The
item
cast
your
votes.
It
passes
unanimously
mayor.
BD
A
AZ
AZ
As
a
native
of
oklahoma
city
spending,
over
half
my
life
in
this
city,
I
can
tell
you
it's
very
exciting
to
hear
of
the
many
dynamic
plans
and
deliberations
that
we've
just
heard
this
morning,
let
alone
the
issues
that
you
deal
with
on
an
ongoing
basis,
and
so
certainly
throughout
many
of
those.
The
concept
of
public
safety
has
been
noted
again
and
again,
and
certainly
one
of
the
things
that
we
all
enjoy
in
this
community
is
public
safety
provided
by
our
emergency
medical
services
system.
AZ
We
have
particularly
well
functioning
dispatchers,
emts
paramedics
and
those
who
support
them
in
the
system,
and
today
I
specifically
represent
the
11
physicians
that
comprise
the
medical
control
board
and
the
individuals
in
my
office
and
seek
your
approval
for
our
operational
year
budget
of
note.
These
are
monies
that
are
not
additionally
encumbered
from
anything
that
has
already
been
approved.
These
are
monies
that
are
already
part
of
your
city's
fire
department,
budget
and
part
of
emsa's
budget
and
have
been
approved
accordingly
by
the
leaders
of
those
organizations
specifically
for
the
city
of
oklahoma
city.
AZ
The
budget
for
this
next
year
entails
less
than
four
thousand
dollars
more
for
medical
oversight
of
all
the
activities
of
the
oklahoma
city
fire
department
and
for
him
so
less
than
three
thousand
dollars
more
to
to
deal
with.
All
of
that,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
in
the
sake
of
brevity
I'll,
let
those
comments
stand
for
my
report
this
year.
I
AZ
Our
latest
addition
to
our
ems
system-
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware-
the
largest
commercial
aviation
maintenance
and
engineering
plant
in
the
world
is
actually
located
in
tulsa
next
to
the
airport
operated
by
american
airlines.
They
employ
several
thousand
people
and,
among
those
several
thousand
mechanics
and
engineers,
they
have
a
volunteer
group
of
about
80
individuals
that
seek
to
provide
medical
response
within
that
facility.
AZ
They
do
a
lot
of
in-house
training
and
they've
had
an
occupational
medicine
medical
director
of
the
last
few
years.
They
have
been
working
with
us
to
actually
get
their
medical
oversight
through
the
medical
control
board
as
a
more
formal
part
of
our
system,
and
so
we
have
entered
into
an
agreement
with
them
to
provide
those
services,
and
you
see
some
revenue
that
we're
able
to
bring
in
doing
that
which
actually
comes
then
as
out
of
the
cost
savings
to
the
cities
and
emsa,
for
providing
oversight.
A
BE
This
change,
basically,
is
just
cosmetic.
For
the
most
part,
it's
actually
changes.
The
indexing
changes.
A
lot
of
things
about
our
procedural
amount,
actually
reduced.
Our
our
manual
by
about
192
pages,
which
is
significant
70
of
those
pages,
will
be
removed
and
put
on
different
different
electronic
formats,
so
the
officers
can
access
it.
So
most
of
our
most
of
our
policy
procedure
manual
is
electronic.
BE
I
A
BE
BE
BE
A
All
right:
how
about
a
motion
item?
Thank
you.
We're
voting
on
item.
Eight
t
cast
your
votes.
It
passed
unanimously
item
a
u
v
and
w
are
all
salary
continuations.
I
understand
we
do
not
need
executive
session
on
any
of
these.
That's
right,
that's
correct!
We
will
have
to
vote
on
them
separately,
though.
How
about
a
motion
on
eight?
You
move.
The
item
cast
your
votes
pass
unanimously.
Item
eight
v,
a
motion.
A
A
A
BF
That's
fine,
mr
mayor
council,
my
name
is
stan
vickery.
I
reside
at
8
000
northwest
131st
circle
in
ward
8.,
I'm
here
to
discuss
a
damage
claim
which
I
submitted
back
in
april
to
some
water
damage
and
it's
on
the
agenda
today
to
and
it
recommended
for
denial
on
sunday
february,
the
9th
in
my
neighbor's
yard,
a
major
big
time,
water
main
broke
and
because
of
the
way
our
our
neighborhood
is
landscaped.
BF
The
slope
pushed
the
bulk
of
that
water
onto
my
property
surrounded
my
house
on
three
sides.
It
ran
from
four
to
six
inches
deep
for
over
three
hours
before
they
could.
Finally
get
it
shut
off.
The
fire
department
came
out.
They
tried
to
help.
They
tried
to
put
canvas
around
the
house
to
keep
it
from
coming
in
there
and
all,
but
it
was
to
to
no
avail
so
damage
wise.
BF
At
least
one
third
of
my
backyard
was
absolutely
and
totally
washed
away,
which
required
a
truckloads
of
hauling
off
mud,
resod
damage
repair,
and
all
of
that
there
is
a
pool
in
the
yard
which
was
filled
up
with
mud
debris
and
all
that
I
had
to
get
a
professional
pool
outfit
here
in
town
to
come,
clean
it
and
then
had
to
work
on
the
chemicals
in
the
water
to
get
all
the
bacteria
and
all
that
out
there
was
some
mechanical
equipment
on
the
outside
of
the
house.
It
had
some
damage,
it
had
to
be
repaired.
BF
BF
BF
BG
In
order
for
us
to
be
liable
for
this
claim,
we
would
have
to
have
some
kind
of
a
notification
prior
to
this
event
that
there
was
a
problem
with
that
main
there's.
Nothing,
no
confirmed
notifications
of
problems
on
that
line,
segment,
checking
back
for
five
years,
it's
similar
to
a
sewer
backup
in
that
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
a
notice
in
advance.
BG
A
BF
Or
anything
there,
except,
I
don't
know
how
long
a
year
or
so
ago
they
did
repave
the
road
and
turn
it
into
a
four
lane
where
it
used
to
be
a
two.
That's
the
only
activity
that's
occurred
there.
The
fence
around
the
property
is
a
brick
fence
and
the
city
had
to
tear
the
fence
down
a
big
hole
in
it
to
repair
the
the
damage
that
was
there
at
the
line.
BF
BG
I'm
aware
of
what
that
was
the
the
city
in
making
the
repairs
there.
The
equipment
got
outside
the
utility
easement
she
had
to
do
some.
There
was
some
sodding
that
needed
to
be
done.
We
settled
with
her
and,
and
you
approved
a
settlement
to
pay
for
the
portion
of
the
sodding
that
was
outside
the
easement.
A
Yeah
seems
like
not
a
symbolic
difference
to
me.
I
I
can't
speak
for
the
entire
council
and
how
we're
about
to
vote,
but
I
suspect
we're
going
to
have
to
follow
legal's
advice,
because
state
law
does
not
give
the
council
discretion
on
whether
or
not
we
can
pay
this
claim
due
to
what
they
told
you
about
having
to
have
a
prior
notice.
A
BF
A
BH
My
name
is
chris
kavanagh
and
I
live
at
3001
lansdowne
lane.
My
wife
is
jerry,
kavanagh
who's
listed
on
number
c
and
I
strongly
hesitate
to
take
up
the
city
council's
time
with
this
matter.
But
frankly,
this
is
the
first
opportunity
that
I've
had
to
engage
in
any
kind
of
dialogue
with
the
city
at
all
about
this.
BH
What
happened
is
that
about
15
months
ago
the
city,
a
crew,
showed
up
at
my
house,
and
they
said
that
they
needed
access
to
the
easement
behind
my
property
to
do
some
sewer,
repair
work
and
I
gave
them
access
and
they
went
back
and
repaired.
The
sewer-
and
I
wasn't
there
to
I-
didn't
watch
them,
do
the
work.
BH
But
when
I
came
back
when
I
came
home
later,
I
found
that
they'd
left
a
lot
of
piles
of
dirt
unaddressed
and
and
that
sat
that
way
for
a
good
week
or
so
when
I
called
and
asked
about
it.
And
finally,
somebody
came
out
and
kind
of
cleaned
that
up
and
then
some
more
time
passed
and
actually
another
crew
showed
up
after
the
first
crew
had
come
up
and
cleaned
up
everything.
Another
crew
showed
up
and
they
didn't
know
that
another
crew
had
been
there
to
clean
up,
and
so,
but
anyway,
sometime
passed.
BH
And
then
I
turned
on
my
sprinkler
system.
I
had
been
wet,
there'd
been
no
use
for
the
sprinkler
system,
but
I
turned
on
the
sprinkler
system
and
that's
when
I
realized
that
sometime
during
the
work
during
the
cleanup,
they
completely
crushed
the
sprinkler
system
in
my
backyard,
where
the
equipment
had
driven
over
it.
BH
A
BG
BG
BG
BH
Well,
I
mean
they
have
to
go
across
my
backyard
to
get
to
the
easement,
and
perhaps
the
most
outrageous
part
of
this
was
that
they
claimed
in
this
letter.
One
of
the
last
paragraphs
that
in
in
the
letter
says
that
they
sort
of
admit
that
they
damaged
my
sprinkler
system
but
that
they
repaired
it
and
they
had
no
access
to
my
house
to
turn
on
the
sprinkler
system
to
see
if
any
repairs
had
been
effective.
So
well.
A
A
A
I
A
AE
BG
A
All
right,
so
did
I
get
a
motion
to
defer
this
four
weeks:
okay,
cash.
Your
votes
on
the
deferment.
That
item
is
deferred
four
weeks
and
then
we'll
need
a
motion
to
vote
on
the
rest
of
the
claims
recommended
for
denial.
Second,
cast
your
votes
and
those
claims
are
denied
we're
on
item
nine.
This
is
claims
recommended
for
approval.
A
R
Honor,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
participate,
as
well
as
councilman
ryan,
in
the
emergency
training
that
we've
had
two
weeks
ago.
It
was
very
interesting
and
very
encouraging
to
see
how
the
city
staff
is
already
prepared,
and
this
just
made
him
even
more
prepared
and
there's
a
lot
of
compliments
about
oklahoma
city's
preparedness
by
the
instructors
from
fema,
and
they
really
look
to
us
as
a
as
a
great
example
of
how
cities
can
prepare
for
disasters
and-
and
it's
not
just
tornadoes.
We
have
to
worry
about
anymore.
V
V
V
I
Pat
just
a
brief
second
to
what
david
said,
I
was
really
impressed
by
the
professionalism
and
the
quality
of
the
work
done
by
the
oklahoma
city,
people
who
are
there?
It's
a
good
news,
bad
news
story.
The
good
news
is
we're
prepared,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
experience,
bad
news.
We
have
all
this
experience,
but
they
did
a
great
job.
I
think
they
could
have
done
a
better
job
teaching
it
than
fema
dude
all
right.
J
And
I
believe
peter
delesi
has
has
been
here
a
long
time
and
so
as
peter's
coming
up.
I
would
ask
that
we
push
item
b,
the
presentation
and
performance
report
off
to
a
future
meeting
in
difference
of
time,
and
then
we
do
need
to
go
into
finance
committee
for
a
little
bit,
but
we'll
take
most
of
those
presentations
and
put
them
off
to
a
later
time.
Also,
okay,.
BI
BJ
Well,
thanks
for
having
us
here
today,
this
should
only
take
about
45
minutes
so
I'll
rush
through
it
I'm
kidding.
I
there's
some
images
up
on
the
screen
here,
just
showing
a
little
bit
about
our
go
green
initiative
with
festival
of
the
arts
being
oklahoma's,
favorite
and
largest
event:
750
000
visitors
annually.
That's
a
huge
carbon
footprint,
so
in
2008
community
leader
cheryl
vaught
brought
to
our
attention
that
some
of
our
artists
were
taking
home,
recycled,
recyclable
items,
since
we
were
unable
to
do
it
at
the
arts
festival.
BJ
So
we
knew
that
there
was
a
definite
need
to
green
the
event
we
put
together
a
group
of
community
leaders
to
form
the
go
green
committee
and
we
developed
a
five-year
plan
to
reduce
re,
reuse
and
recycle
at
festival
of
the
arts.
Education
was
at
the
center
of
the
plan.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
visitors
coming
to
the
arts
festival
knew
what
we
intended
to
do.
As
far
as
the
eco-friendly
practices.
BJ
We
have
signage
throughout
the
grounds
talking
about
what
is
recyclable.
What
is
compostable,
we
have
certain
non-smoking
areas
pretty
much.
Every
aspect
of
festival
of
the
arts
has
some
sort
of
green
initiative,
a
part
of
it,
such
as
performing
arts.
We
do
our
trash
and
a
fashion
show
each
year
where
we
partner
with
local
high
schoolers,
to
create
actual
actual
wearable
works
of
art
out
of
trash.
BJ
BJ
BJ
BJ
BJ
That
is
a
little
bit
higher
number
than
we'd
hoped,
but
we
also
had
two
working
restaurants
on
the
grounds
and
we
were
responsible
for
all
of
their
trash,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
landfill
coming
from
the
two
working
restaurants
that
were
not
a
part
of
festival
of
the
arts.
The
success
of
this
initiative
stems
directly
from
the
strong
committee
we
have
okc
beautiful
represented.
We
have
chesapeake
cardinal
engineers
van
stavron
design
group
allen.
Parler
is
here
with
closer
to
earth
and
a
terry
craghead
with
a
fertile
ground.
BJ
So
it's
a
tremendous
group
that
we
work
with
and
since
its
inception
six
years
ago,
the
go
green
plan
has
been
acknowledged
for
innovation
and
excellence
from
okc
beautiful,
keep
oklahoma,
beautiful
and
keep
america
beautiful.
So
we've
received
national
attention
for
what
we're
doing
with
the
arts
festival.
A
Well,
it's
extraordinary,
given
how
many
people
attend
to
hope
to
be
this
friendly
to
the
environment,
so
our
our
salute
to
your
staff
and
then
to
your
board
peter.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
drawing
somebody's
positive
attention
on
this
issue,
any
comments
or
questions
from
council
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
BK
My
name
is
dianna
winslow
and
I'm
a
professional
social
worker,
I'm
retired,
I'm
living
here
in
oklahoma
city.
My
business
address
is
1330
north
classen
boulevard,
I'm
actually
coming
because
I'm
concerned
regarding
the
response
for
the
sexual
assaults.
I'm
pleased
that
there
was
a
decision
made
and
I'm
pleased
that
that
was
addressed,
but
we've
had
a
problem
with
our
sexual
assault
continuum.
BK
Since
2006
it's
been
known
to
the
public,
there
doesn't
appear
to
be
a
method
to
address
it.
My
concern
is
that
it
falls
over
multiple
subject
matter.
It
falls
over
multiple
sources
of
funding
and
it
falls
over
multiple
agencies
deciding
what
to
do.
The
problem
is,
as
citizens
we're
service
recipients,
we
don't
get
to
pick
what
happens
when
you
report
the
method
of
reporting
I
find
to
be
inadequate,
it
doesn't
match
national
standards
for
children
or
for
adults.
I
really
don't
understand
whose
responsibility
is
to
address
that.
BK
I
believe
that
this
issue
probably
could
have
been
dealt
with
sooner.
I'm
very
concerned
looking
at
photographs
of
this
gentleman,
that's
the
accused
that
he
has
a
traumatic
brain
injury
and
that
could
have
been
assessed
in
a
medical
environment.
With
regards
to
his
employment
at
an
earlier
date,
the
photographs
show
back
to
college
days
and
he's
got
a
drooping
left
eye,
and
so
I'm
concerned
again
that
there
are
methods
by
which
we
could
do
things
to
protect
the
public.
None
of
that
seems
to
be
in
place.
BK
BK
I
certainly
don't
know
the
people
that
were
subjected
to
the
assaults
from
the
staff
member
from
the
city,
but
the
reality
is
that
until
somebody
makes
a
decision
that
this
matters
and
takes
that
on
as
a
task,
it's
not
going
to
go
back
through
the
systems
of
care
that
it
has
to.
But
we
don't
have
a
national
standard
of
care.
BK
There
may
be
laws
in
place
that
are
prohibiting
people
from
acting
some
of
the
funding
sources
make
it
so
people
can't
talk
about
one
another
or
to
one
another
about
what
they
find
in
service
systems
that
don't
work.
So
there's
people
in
an
adult
sexual
assault,
continuum,
response
that
looks
about
five
or
six
people
from
different
agencies
get
involved
to
respond
to
a
problem,
but
if
they
find
a
problem
amongst
themselves,
they're
not
allowed
to
tell
on
each
other
when
they
see
what
the
problem
is,
because
the
funding
source
limits
their
ability
to
discuss
that.
BK
BK
It's
as
many
as
nine
different
groups
of
people
converging
on
the
child
to
be
helpful,
and
then
you
get
tipped
out
because
somebody
else
has
control
over
where
the
report
goes,
how
it
gets
organized
that
has
everything
to
do
with
funding
of
the
police
department.
With
regards
to
electronic
systems
of
organizing,
you
heard
the
chief
talking
today
about
rearranging
some
of
the
codes
that
he
uses
to
respond
to
things
and
reducing
them,
but
their
electronic
system
doesn't
match
the
needs.
It
takes
seven
days
to
get
a
detective
assigned
to
a
case.
BK
If
you
have
a
child
that
doesn't
work
every
system,
supportive
response
is
not
matching
national
standards.
The
care
center
for
oklahoma
city
was
placed
on
probation
in
2006
because
of
improper
response
to
my
family.
That
was
never
discussed
at
the
city
council
that
was
never
discussed
by
the
police
department
of
the
community
that
didn't
go
back
to
the
sag.
It
didn't
go
to
the
d.a,
I'm
not
allowed
as
a
person
in
the
public
to
go
to
any
of
those
people.
Technically,
you
aren't
either.
BK
BK
A
BK
BK
This
issue
is
not
my
family,
but
as
a
clinician
and
as
a
parent
and
as
a
community
member
in
this
community
for
a
while.
It's
an
issue
that
if
there
isn't
a
method
to
deal
with
the
problem
and
we
don't
get
assigned
to
somebody
in
social
work,
it's
called
first
door
is
the
right
door.
Wherever
you
go
and
you
ask
for
help
that
person's
responsibility
is
to
help
you
until
you're
helped
law
enforcement
is.
A
BL
Thank
you
and
good
afternoon,
your
honor
and
council.
I
am
michael
hinton
of
1729
northwest
3rd
street
oklahoma
city
oklahoma.
It's
really
good
to
be
in
you
folks
midst.
Once
again,
I
come
here
this
afternoon
to
address
a
very
disturbing
issue
that
has
come
to
my
attention,
that
is,
a
planned,
satanic,
black
mass,
to
be
held
at
the
oklahoma
city,
civic
center
on
september
21st
2014.,
you
may
recall,
I
appeared
some
time
ago
on
citizens
to
be
heard
regarding
a
proposed
satanic
statute
to
be
erected
on
the
grounds
of
the
state
capitol.
BL
Your
honor
and
council
salient
aspect
of
the
memo
regarding
the
black
mass
that
I
read
that
I
read
was,
and
I
quote,
a
religious
black
mass
will
be
conducted
as
a
public
event
to
help
educate
the
public
about
religious
satanism
enjoy
the
delights
of
the
devil.
I
find
this
to
be
absolutely
disgusting
and
I'm
being
generous.
BL
BL
BL
BL
BL
BL
J
BA
We'll
do
is
we'll
distribute
the
five-year
plan
capital
plan
so
that
you
all
have
a
copy
of
that.
We
also
need
you
to
officially
refer
the
plan
to
the
planning.
Commission
they'll
also
be
reviewing
that
at
the
same
time,
you
are
so
that's
what
we're
asking
for
is
formally
referring
it
to
them
and
then
we'll
come
back
in
a
couple
of
weeks
with
some
presentations.
That'll
give
you
more
detail
about
the
projects
that
are
in
the
plan.