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From YouTube: Oldsmar Comprehensive Plan Workshop - December 13, 2022
Description
The City of Oldsmar hosted its second community workshop on December 13, 2022, at the Hampton Inn & Suite. Attendees participated to be part of Oldsmar' future through the Oldsmar Comprehensive Plan Update - Vision 2043.
Two important land use categories were discussed and how they may be included in future development efforts - Pinellas County's Planned Redevelopment District (PRD) and Multimodal Corridor (MMC).
Participants provided input during a studio/charette visualization workshop following the presentation.
For more information on Vision 2043, visit https://oldsmar.civilspace.io/en/projects/7.
A
A
And
Laura
Canary,
we
are
the
consultants
for
forward
Pinellas
I'm
working
with
the
city
of
old
smart.
We
understand
that
you're
also
going
through
a
comp
plan,
effort
and
you're-
probably
done
quite
a
few
of
these
meetings
or
breakout
sessions.
So
we
appreciate
you
joining
us
and
hopefully,
during
the
presentation,
you'll
realize
that
this
conversation's
slightly
different.
So
we
definitely
want
to
hear
your
input
tonight.
Rodney.
B
B
So
whenever
we
give
these
talks,
one
of
the
things
that
we
always
like
to
start
off
with
is
a
little
bit
about
who
we
are
and
what
we
do.
Because,
anytime
we
say,
Fort
Pinellas
people
often
think
we're
in
Pinellas.
County
reality
is
we're
not
we
actually
are
a
an
agency
that
is
countywide
that
focuses
on
land
use
and
transportation
planning,
so
our
purview
and
wheelhouse
crosses
every
boundary
here
in
Pinellas
County
and
touches
every
community.
B
B
B
And
how
do
we
do
that?
Well,
we
report
to
a
13
member
Board
of
elected
officials
you'll
see
their
their
photographs
there.
They
run
the
gamut
of
communities,
big
and
small,
from
unincorporate
Pinellas
County
to
the
city
of
Saint,
Pete,
City,
Clearwater,
all
the
way
down
to
a
community
as
small
as
Kenneth
City
for
the
current
cycle,
the
city
of
Osmar
will
be
represented
on
our
board
for
the
next
two
years.
B
By
vice
mayor
Buckman,
we
are
planning
agencies,
so
the
things
that
we
do
are
not
necessarily
being
able
to
implement
on
our
own.
We
have
to
have
Partnerships
strong
Partnerships
with
our
local
governments
and
aligned
agencies.
So
we
do
these
things,
such
as
what
we're
doing
tonight
and
our
role
as
a
technical
assistance
body
where
we're
bringing
different
tools,
different
options
for
the
community
to
consider
and
oftentimes.
These
efforts
relate
to
our
key
policy
documents
and
on
the
transportation
side
of
what
we
do.
B
That
key
policy
document
is
the
long-range
transmission
plan
on
the
land
use
side
of
what
we
do.
That
policy
document
is
the
county-wide
plan
and
that's
what
we'll
talk
more
about
with
you
tonight.
We
have
been
able
to
add
an
additional
tool
for
the
governments
to
consider
as
they
plan
for
the
future.
We
all
know
that
Pinellas
County
is
largely
built
out,
but
people
are
still
moving
here,
we're
still
having
businesses
open.
We
want
to
be
a
business
friendly
County.
B
So
when
you
have
those
new
employers
making
jobs
available
available
to
people,
those
employees
need
to
have
a
place
to
live,
and
so
we
have
something
for
you
tonight
to
talk
more
about
as
a
potential
option
for
you
to
consider
As.
You
move
forward
in
your
conference
of
plan
update
process
I'll
now
turn
it
over
to
nasheen
Rahman
of
our
team
and
she'll
talk
to
you
more
specifically
about
the
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting.
B
C
No
Sheen,
Rahman
and
I
am
a
planner
at
Ford.
Pinellas
and
part
of
the
capacity
we're
here
in
today
is
to
help
administer
a
project
that
we
are
funding
at
Ford,
Pinellas
known
as
the
Urban
Design
Services
pilot
program,
and
what
all
that
really
means
is
that
we
have
a
new
program
that
is
helping
our
local
governments
visualize.
What
development
and
Redevelopment
looks
like
for
each
of
our
local
governments,
as
Rodney
mentioned,
there
are
25
local
governments
in
Pinellas
County
and
each
is
completely
unique
to
itself.
C
C
Just
some
a
quick
overview
about
the
program.
It's
essentially
like
I
said
intended
to
help
visualize
what
change
looks
like
because
all
these
policies
and
codes
and
regulations
they're
just
words
on
paper,
but
ultimately
they
end
up
on
the
ground
in
your
city
and
make
what
you
know
to
be
your
neighborhoods
and
your
surrounding
community.
So
there
are
three
components
to
this
program.
C
One
is
to
work
with
community
and
neighborhood
groups,
just
as
we
are
today
to
host
Studios
and
charettes,
which
are
essentially
specialized
focus
groups
to
have
a
discussion
about
what
development
or
Redevelopment
looks
like.
The
second
is
to
work
with
developers
to
guide
Urban
Design
and
help
them
function
within
the
existing
codes
and
regulations
or
new
codes
and
regulations
in
our
local
governments.
And
lastly,
the
program
intends
to
evaluate
or
advised
on
proposed
codes
or
regulations.
A
So
as
we
get
started
and
I,
both
Rodney
and
machine,
touched
on
it,
we're
here
to
listen.
Public
input
is
a
crucial
part
of
this
process,
but
we
want
to
give
you
the
information,
and
we
want
to
give
you
the
visual
cues
for
when
you're,
making
these
decisions
and
when
you're
answering
the
questions
that
we're
asking
you
have
these
ideas
in
your
mind
of
what
these
areas
and
these
buildings
or
potential
developments
could
eventually
look
like
and
what
tempo
Road
Corridor
could
eventually
look
like.
A
So
one
of
the
first
things
to
understand
is
the
regional
context.
Oldsmar
is
in
a
prime
location,
it's
one
of
the
greatest
things.
It
has
it's
the
corridor
itself
and
the
fact
that
it's
because
of
how
it's
situated,
it's
really
one
of
the
only
connections
that
it's
not
across
the
bridges
and
that
really
puts
it
in
a
great
place
for
a
hub
of
connectivity.
A
It
has
a
really
really
strong
employment
center
and
chatting
with
some
of
you
earlier
and
as
we've
heard
previously
from
staff
and
some
of
the
comments
that
have
come
from
the
public
during
the
comp
plan
efforts.
That's
also
one
of
the
challenges
that
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
work
in
those
areas
don't
actually
live
in
Oldsmar,
and
you
could
see
later
on
in
the
presentation
how
that
could
potentially
change
to
reinforce
some
of
those
commercial
areas.
A
A
The
lack
of
Downtown
Development
and
once
again
you
have
that
sort
of
asset
of
as
a
regional
and
Geographic
Hub.
But
it's
not
really
coming
through
in
your
downtown.
That
lack
of
vibrancy
is
something
that
was
brought
up
and
then
sort
of
to
back.
That
is
the
desirability
for
stronger
commercial
uses,
retails
restaurants
and
Gathering
areas
and,
of
course
a
big
fear
is
always
growth.
And
how
do
you
grow
sustainably
and
how
do
you
grow
in
the
right
areas
of
the
city?
So
once
again
we
protect
those
really
strong
established
residential
neighborhoods.
A
So
looking
at
the
population
that
exists
today,
it's
just
shy
of
fifteen
thousand,
and
what
you
see
here
is
you
have
about
seven
percent
of
families
with
kids
under
five
and
you
have
about
twenty
percent
under
18..
What
does
that
tell
us?
That
is
actually
a
really
important
statistic,
because
younger
families
are
looking
for
housing,
types
and
Commercial
areas
and
districts
that
are
slightly
different
than
other
older
generations,
and
it's
really
important
to
pose
the
city
for
those
changes
in
the
future
to
accommodate
those
needs.
A
But
what
we're
looking
at
is
from
those
15
000
in
about
20
years,
we're
looking
at
a
growth
of
about
ten
thousand.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
How
do
we
we
accommodate
that
in,
as
nasheen
said
in
a
basically
built
out
County?
So
how
do
we
do
that
effectively
so
that
your
neighborhoods
and
the
areas
that
you
value
are
protected,
but
we
do
it
sustainably
so
that
the
city
could
grow
organically.
A
And
one
of
the
ways
to
do
that
is
through
smart
growth,
principles
and
I'll
just
run
through
these
quickly,
but
you'll
begin
to
see
how
some
of
these
really
translate
into
some
of
the
tools
that
are
being
given
to
us
in
order
to
make
that
happen.
There's
10
smart
growth
principles
which
allow
us
to
do
just
that.
It
allows
us
to
put
additional
population
into
like
outgrown
cities
that
could
be
accommodated
in
smart
ways
and
the
primary
one
is
a
mix
of
land
uses,
taking
advantage
of
compact
design.
What
does
that
mean?
A
That
means
grouping
users
together
and
grouping
buildings
together?
Not
it's
basically
the
opposite
of
sprawl,
creating
a
range
of
housing,
opportunities
and
choices.
This
one's
particularly
important
I
was
having
a
great
conversation
with
one
of
you
earlier
regarding
the
necessity
for
different
housing
types
for
young
professionals
and
particularly
those
that
you
want
staying
in
Oldsmar.
If,
if
you're
older,
and
you
have
kids
or
grandkids
that
you
want
staying
in
your
area,
they
have
to
be
able
to
afford
the
housing
in
the
area.
A
We
go
back
to
that
Mobility
question
and
allowing
for
different
modes
make
development
decisions,
predictable,
fair
and
cost
effective
I
I
mean
I,
think
that
goes
without
saying.
We
all
want
that
right
from
a
perspective
of
a
resident,
a
business
owner,
a
developer,
it's
it's
the
smart
thing
to
do
for
a
city
and
then
finally
encourage
community
and
stakeholder
collaboration
in
the
development
decisions.
And
that's
what
we're
doing
here
tonight
we're
giving
you
all
this
information
so
that
then
we
could
listen
to
your
thoughts
and
your
vision
for
the
city.
A
And
typically,
when
we
talk
back
to-
and
you
could
kind
of
begin
to
piece
all
these
Concepts
together
as
I,
go
through
the
presentation
when
you
talk
about
concentrating
and
compact
design,
you're,
typically
talking
about
a
half
a
mile
radius
from
those
major
corridors.
So
this
is
that
half
a
mile
here
from
the
Tampa
Road
Corridor.
A
So
essentially
the
majority
of
the
conversation
tonight
is
going
to
be
within
that
half
a
mile
and
I
noticed
some
of
you
saying
on
the
map
well
I'm
off
the
map
slightly,
and
that
is
why,
because
we
really
want
the
conversation
today
to
focus
on
that
half
mile
and
you'll
see
how
that
half
mile
becomes
a
little
bit
smaller
as
we
go
through
the
presentation.
But
part
of
that
is
also
once
again
with
the
mindset
of
protecting
those
really
strong
residential
neighborhoods.
A
And
here
we
see
that
a
little
bit
more
zoomed
in
and
if
we
start
to
look
at
existing
uses,
you
could
see
the
breakdown
of
the
existing
uses
and
you
have
about
25
percent
of
the
uses
that
are
residential
uses
and
27.
That
is
commercial,
and
typically
in
most
cities
for
Byron
neighborhood,
you
actually
want
the
opposite.
You
kind
of
are
looking
for,
like
a
3,
2
ratio
of
residential
that
supports
that
commercial.
So
you
want
that
mass!
A
A
So
when
we
look-
and
this
is
a
website
that
you
could
all
access
and
and
if
you're
curious,
you
could
kind
of
plug
different
places
in
and
see
how
they
compare
it's
called
walkscore.com.
So
in
there
it's
rating
Oldsmar
as
53
walkable,
which
is
somewhat
walkable
again,
not
great
and
62
bikeable,
so
that
bikeability
is
slightly
higher.
But
what
this
doesn't
take
into
consideration
and
you
could
see
the
concentration
of
uses
there
and
you
could
see
the
proximity
which
is
really
what
this
scores.
A
A
One
of
the
things
that
all
of
these
Concepts
brings
together
is
land
use.
What
is
land
use
as,
as
we
said
earlier
earlier,
you've
participated.
Many
of
you
have
participated
in
the
conversations
and
the
breakout
groups
or
surveys
regarding
the
comp
plan
effort,
the
comp
plan
looks
specifically
at
land
use.
Land
use
is
mandated
by
the
state
and
through
the
county
through
the
municipalities.
So
you
have
to
be
consistent.
The
municipality
has
to
be
consistent
with
the
county
land
use.
What
does
it
do?
A
It's
the
first
layer
of
Regulation
it
establishes
uses
and
intensities
for
a
city.
On
top
of
that,
what
you
have
is
the
zoning
layer
or
zoning
map
and
zoning
regulations.
That
is
on
a
municipal
level
that
is
done
through
city
ordinance
and
that
one
gets
a
little
bit
more
specific
and
establishes
development
thresholds,
setbacks,
Heights
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
you
have
yet
another
finer
layer
which
is
design
guidelines
or
standards
and
those
really
get
to.
What
does
that?
A
A
A
A
This
allows
for
that.
These
two
categories
are
different,
because
the
multimodal
corridor
or
MMC
is
a
little
bit
higher
in
intensity.
It
is
intended
to
connect
two
activity
centers
to
each
other.
As
we
talked
earlier,
and
you
saw
on
the
map
from
the
regional
perspective,
you
only
have
one
activity
center
and
the
length
of
your
Corridor
is
is
quite
small,
so
that
category
is
probably
not
the
most
appropriate
for
old
smart.
A
So
what
we're
really
focusing
on
is
the
plan
Redevelopment,
District,
category
or
PRD,
and
what
PRD
says
is
that
it
is
purposed
for
mix
of
residential
and
non-residential
uses
with
within
neighborhoods
or
District
areas
that
are
interrelated
and
complementary,
with
densities
and
intensities
an
urban
design
that
promote
walking,
biking
and
Transit
use.
Once
again,
if
you
think
back
to
those
principles
of
smart
growth,
this
is
geared
exactly
towards
that.
A
A
A
And
the
purpose
of
doing
that
is
once
again
protecting
those
residential
neighborhoods
and
those
areas
that
are
well
established.
So
we
were
looking
at
the
half
mile,
but
when
we
really
look
at
where
these
categories
are
appropriate,
the
half
mile
gets
smaller
and
goes
into
really
specific
Focus
areas
which
are
the
ones
we
want
to
talk
about
tonight
and
the
ones
we
want
you
to
have
in
mind.
When
you're
answering
the
questions.
A
We
want
to
make
the
case
obviously
for
that
integration
of
uses.
You
need
that
residential
component
for
a
vibrant,
commercial
District.
You
need
that
24
7
feel
so
that
those
residents
really
support
the
commercial
uses
that
exist,
and
you
don't
have
areas
of
employment,
for
example,
or
areas
of
commercial.
That
basically
don't
exist
after
six
o'clock
in
the
evening,
and
you
want
that
integration
of
mix
of
uses
to
support
that.
A
So
part
of
the
question
tonight
and
you'll
see
some
of
that
in
the
boards
that
you
could
spend
some
time
on
after
the
presentation
is.
Where
does
that
begin
to
happen?
Are
there
areas
that
we
should
prioritize
along
the
corridor,
or
is
it
the
corridor
itself
or
Are
there
specific
areas
where
this
should
start
and
act
as
a
catalyst
for
the
rest
of
the
corridor?
A
A
The
active
Furnitures
buffers
safety
is
a
really
big
component,
and
obviously
it's
not
just
an
aesthetic
issue
which
obviously
it
does
make
for
a
much
more
pleasant,
walking
experience
from
from
a
visual
perspective.
But
it
is
also
a
safety
issue
and
buffers
do
a
great
deal
towards
that
same
thing
with
shade
trees.
It
makes
it
more
pleasant.
They
protect
the
pedestrians
they
also,
obviously
from
an
environmental
perspective.
They
make
places
cooler,
so
you
always
want
to
integrate
shade
trees.
You
want
that
walk
to
be
comfortable,
transparent
and
permeable
frontages.
A
You
want
that
activity
once
again
to
entice
you
to
keep
going.
You
want
that
interest
to
keep
you
going
from
block
to
block
and
you
want
to
be
enticed
by
the
uses
that
you
see.
You
want
to
say
I'm
coming
to
the
store,
but
hey
I
just
saw
a
restaurant
across
the
street
that
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
tomorrow.
A
A
A
So
one
of
the
things
that
could
happen
is
infill
development.
It
could
be
that
some
of
those
areas-
those
plazas
those
existing
commercial
shopping
centers,
for
example,
stay
the
same,
but
they
get
what
we
call
infill
development
or
art
parcel
development
that
is
done
in
an
appropriate
manner
that
begins
to
engage
the
Tampa
Road
Corridor
and
begins
to
create
that
walkability
and
really
fills
that
Gap
so
that
you
have
that
continuity,
that
I
keep
emphasizing
foreign.
A
A
A
We
want
to
understand
what
is
the
desired
character
for
the
Tampa
Road
Corridor?
How
do
you
envision
the
Tampa
Road
Corridor?
What
sustainability
methods
could
be
incorporated?
As
we
know,
that
was
one
of
the
topics
that
came
up
quite
frequently
in
the
previous
surveys.
So
what
can
we
do
to
incorporate
that?
A
A
So
we
have
Workshop
activities
that
we'd
like
you
to
participate
in
I
know.
Some
of
you
started
to
do
that
earlier
and
I
saw
some
really
great
answers
and
some
of
you
engaging
and
kind
of
picking
up
on
things,
others
were
doing
and
saying,
which
is
exactly
what
we
want.
We
want
this
to
be
a
conversation
we
want
to
hear
from
you
because,
like
that
10th
principle
of
smart
growth
is
engaging
the
public
and
understanding
really
what
the
public
wants.
A
And
here
some
of
those
other
activities
we
want
you
to
the
instructions
are
on
the
boards.
We
want
you
to
take
the
stickers
and
really
focus
think
about
what
you've
just
heard.
Tell
us
where
you
want
the
focus
areas
to
be
tell
us
what
your
priorities
are.
Tell
us
where
you
live.
Tell
us
where
you
work.
Tell
us
how
long
it
takes
you
to
get
somewhere.
Tell
us.
What's
a
challenge,
tell
us
what's
an
asset:
there
are
a
lot
of
community
Assets
in
Old,
smart
that
we
would
like
to
build
on.
A
So
what
happens
after
today
today
is
the
workshop
after
the
workshop
as
the
Consultants
we're
going
to
put
all
the
information
together
that
we've
gathered
we're
going
to
take
all
your
answers,
all
the
data
that
we
gather
here
tonight,
synthesize
everything
we
hear
and
put
together
a
report
for
the
city
after
that
the
city
and
the
Consultants
team
together
we're
going
to
determine
how
to
move
forward.
What
does
that
mean
is
PRD
appropriate
for
the
Tampa
Road
Corridor
and
then,
if
so,
then
it
would
take
a
land
use.
A
Amendment,
it
could
potentially
be
incorporated
into
the
comp
plan
effort
or
it
could
be
done
separately.
We'll
have
to
make
that
determination.
The
city
will
have
to
determine
how
to
move
forward,
but
it
needs
to
do
that
with
your
input
and
then
eventually
it
will
adopt
the
corresponding
zoning
regulations
to
go
along
with
that
you'll.
Remember
that
image
that
layered
all
of
those
regulations,
one
on
top
of
the
other
and
finally,
are
there
any
questions.
I
know
it
was
a
lot
of
information.
A
D
All
right
so
can
you
give
us
an
example,
maybe
of
some
of
the
worker
layout
that
you
were
talking
about
that
would
be
on
Temp
Road
Corridor,
because
you
know
just
trying
to
visualize
it.
You
don't
see
a
lot
of
that
on
US
Highway
19.,
okay,
even
in
we
use
St
Pete
as
an
example,
you
know
that
their
walkability
and
that
kind
of
biking,
traffic
and
everything
else
isn't
on
275.
That's
down,
you
know.
Fourth,
maybe
even
you
know,
Shore
Drive,
even
more.
Even
fourth
is
a
little
too
busy
for
that.
D
A
D
I
was
gonna,
say,
is
it
appropriate,
then,
to
and
I
know
I'm
kind
of
Shifting
it
a
little
bit,
but
should
the
walkability
aspect,
because
you
know
you
mentioned
golf
carts,
you
mentioned
bikes
and
walkability,
and
everything
else
should
that
comfort
zone
might
not
be
and
I
know
the
corridor.
Is
that
that
half
mile
you
know
on
either
side
but
not
geared
towards
the
face
of
Tamper
Road
itself,
but
maybe
the
back
side
of
whatever
those
buildings
are?
E
Sometimes
we
think
that
it's
a
state
road
except
it's
never
going
to
change,
but
even
if
Dots
are
changing
their
tune,
they're
talking
about
context
sensitivity,
so
it's
not
about
an
arterial
that
goes
through
the
rural,
suburban
and
urban,
and
it
looks
the
same
because
the
idea
is
just
to
move
cars,
that's
not
what
they're
doing
anymore.
Now
we
know
that,
yes,
it's
an
arterial,
it's
going
to
carry
a
lot
of
traffic,
but
it
can
be
designed
in
a
way
that
is
going
to
be
safe
for
pedestrians
and
bicycles.
E
So
the
idea
is
that
we
don't
don't
give
up,
don't
give
up.
Don't
think
that
it's
always
going
to
be
like
this
in
all
smart.
They
have.
We
have
examples
from
different
communities
in
other
states
too,
where
they
tame
these
quarters.
To
the
point
where,
like
today,
you
would
think
do
I
want
to
do
outdoor
sitting
on
that
road.
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
pollution
and
it's
going
to
be
very
fast,
but
it
has
happened
in
other
places
where
all
of
a
sudden,
the
the
buffer
area
is
wider.
E
You
have
a
wide
sidewalk
and
then
you
have
your
outdoor
seating
area,
so
it
is
hard
to
visualize
and
those
pictures
may
seem
like
it's.
You
know
very
far
from
the
reality
that
we
see
today,
but
they
are
possible
and
we
just
end
up.
Leslie
mentioned
it's
slow
medicine.
It's
not
going
to
happen
next
year.
It's
not
going
to
happen
in
five
years,
but
should
we
give
up
for
future
Generations
or
do
we
want
to
build
something
better
for
the
future
Generations.
A
Sorry,
just
to
build
on
that
and
I
think
that's
why
it's
so
important
to
kind
of
get
ahead
of
it,
not
necessarily
wait
for
fdot,
not
necessarily
wait
for
the
road
to
change,
but
use
the
tools
that
we
have
at
our
Disposal
today
to
begin
to
prescribe
what
that
Corridor
could
look
like
in
the
areas
that
we
already
control
today
and
then
those
other
things
will
follow.
Go
ahead.
We
have
oh
sorry.
We
have
somebody
else.
F
My
question
is
probably
similar
to
his
the
fact
that
why
would
I
want
to
sit
with
my
back
to
traffic
going
by
45
60
miles
an
hour
on
Tampa
Road?
What
I
would
want
a
major
buffer
between
that
and
where
I'm
at
the
stores,
the
restaurants
and
those
kinds
of
things
and
I
know
it's
not
going
to
happen
anytime
soon,
but
wouldn't
the
focus
to
me
sound
more
like
it
should
be
off
of
tampa
road
and
not
on
the
Tampa
Corridor
and.
E
I
want
to
explain
this
picture
a
little
bit
more,
so
this
one
here
is
Tampa
Road
right.
So
the
idea
is
that,
right
now
you
have
parking
and
a
building
way
in
the
back.
So
if
somebody
comes
here
by
bus
or
bicycle
or
walk
from
nearby
place,
they
would
have
to
walk
through
that
parking
lot.
All
the
way
to
the
back.
How
safe
is
that
and
how
attractive
is
that?
So,
as
you
can
see
from
this
design,
we're
creating
boulevards
that
are
pedestrian
friendly
to
get
to
the
big
box
that
is
in
the
back.
E
So
yes,
we're
not
putting
everything
on
Tampa
Road.
There
would
be
opportunities
to
bring
the
commercial
into
those
streets
and
they
are
like
the
narrower,
more
Landscaping
on
street
parking,
where
you
can
have
a
safer
environment
for
people
so
yeah,
it's
not
all
on
this
side.
The
idea
is
to
turn
all
these
big
parking
lots
into
more
livable
spaces
that
it's
not
just
so
focused
on
the
automobile,
but
all
modes
of
transportation.
E
G
Speaking
of
all
this
work
that
you're
trying
to
do
it
seems
like
you're,
focusing
on
the
Tampa
Corridor
I
live
off
Lexington
in
Shore
and
I
would
love
to
see
more
focus
on
that
Corridor,
where
the
pub
is
along
State
Street
or
how
much
impact
are
they
going
to
put
or
how
much
effort
are
they
going
to
put
into
developing
at
now,
so
that
we
have
a
Town
Center?
That's
why
I
would
think
the
focus
should
go.
They
are
first
for
Oldsmar
before
the
corridor.
C
So
the
area
that
you're
mentioning
is
part
of
the
Town
Center,
which
already
has
its
adopted
regulations.
So
that
is
what
Leslie
was
mentioning,
is
the
established
activity
center
and
the
activity
center
is
already
an
adopted
land
use
category.
So
there
are
regulations
in
place
for
that
and
the
idea
is
the
whole
concept
of
slow
medicine.
Those
regulations
are
creating
parameters
within
which
development
can
function
in
the
way
that
you're
mentioning
creating
those
pedestrian
friendly
environments
around
retail
and
restaurant
uses
that
already
exist.
C
So
the
reason
we're
talking
so
much
about
the
Tampa
Road
Corridor
is
because
they're
the
map
that
you
saw
there
with
the
different
categories,
the
red,
the
purple.
Those
are
all
segmented
categories
versus
the
Town
Center,
which
already
was,
as
you
saw
completely
in
blue.
It
already
has
adopted
regulations.
We
just
haven't
seen
those
changes
happen.
Yet
because,
typically,
you
know
in
planning,
we
think
10
15
20
years
down
the
line,
and
it
just
it
takes
time
to
see
that
change
as
we've
all
reiterated.
H
C
H
H
So
what's
the
state
of
cooperation
with
Hillsborough
County
at
mass
transit,
how
does
all
this
come
together
into
something
cohesive,
because
we
are,
in
my
opinion,
as
a
resident
here?
This
is
the
ideal
location
to
live
in
Tampa
Bay
right,
but
the
transit
part
of
it
and
a
Cooperative
Spirit
since
we're
Builder.
That
is.
B
I'll
ask
you
to
think
about
a
few
years
before
the
pandemic,
and
so
you
may
recall,
there
was
an
all
for
transportation
initiative
on
the
ballot
in
Hillsborough
County
before
the
pandemic
and
it
passed
by
almost
60
percent,
and
we
in
Pinellas
County
follow
that
very
closely
and
based
on
the
actions
of
the
citizens
in
Hillsborough
County.
We
were
aligning
our
steps
and
our
elected
officials
to
put
a
ballot
question
in
front
of
the
voters
that
November,
unfortunately,
the
pandemic
happened
and
all
the
momentum
disappeared.
B
And
then
the
challenge
in
Hillsboro
to
their
referendum
was
successful,
which
required
to
go
back
in
front
of
the
voters,
this
past
November
and
it
failed,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
to
tell
citizens
is
to
have
the
sort
of
mass
transit
that
you
would
like
to
see
and
that
you
see
in
other
places
we
all
have
traveled.
You
know
around
the
country
around
the
world
and
you've
taken
mass
transit
and
it's
great,
but
it
requires
a
local
funding
source
to
supplement
those
state
and
federal
funds.
B
And
right
now
we
don't
have
that
in
Pinellas
County.
We
don't
have
it
in
Hillsborough
County,
but
we
are
talking
to
our
counterparts
and
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
improve
mass
transit
across
counties,
even
though
we
have
the
local
funding
source
yet
so
you
know
it
was
unfortunate
that
the
referendum
was
legally
challenged
and
overturned
in
Hillsborough
County
because
it
did
set
the
region
back
a
few
years,
but
I
wouldn't
give
up
hope,
because
our
position
is
at
least
for
us
at
Fort
Pinellas.
B
We
want
to
enable
our
communities
to
build
in
those
densities
and
intensity.
So
when
the
time
comes
or
we
do
have
the
local
funding
source,
then
our
community
is
ready
made
for
for
Transit
as
as
Leslie
said,
sort
of
Transit
ready
and
then
Tampa
Royal
Corridor
is
a
prime
Corridor
for
that
connectivity,
wow.
J
J
Only
because
my
background
is
and
I'll
hold
myself
and
take
the
blame
for
a
lot
of
stuff
that
you
folks
see
out
there
I
was
the
zoning
administrator
for
Hillsborough
County
for
27
years.
So
a
lot
of
the
stuff
you
see
up
and
down
Hillsborough
Avenue
and
Tampa
Road
I.
Take
responsibility
for
I
did
not
necessarily
create
it
and
I
didn't
build
it,
but
I
certainly
was
involved
in
the
allowability
of
the
zoning
regulations
and
the
things
that
were
put
in
place
that
allowed
that
development
to
happen
I'm
not
proud
of
all
of
it.
J
A
lot
of
things
have
happened
since
I
left
when
I
retired
I
went
to
other
things.
You
may
be
familiar
with
a
double
Branch
Road
that
comes
out
of
Hillsborough
Avenue
to
the
south
side
of
it.
There's
a
lot
of
environmental
area
in
there
and
some
of
that
area
is
environmental
and
perpetuity
and
won't
be
developed,
and
that's
a
good
thing
for
all
of
us
that
live
here
in
this
area.
But
there
are
some
apartment
complexes
that
are
permitted
there
and
there's
some
commercial
development
that
got
created
up
at
the
front.
J
Who
you
may
be
familiar
with,
can
vouch
for
me
on
that
one
it
was
supposed
to
have
been
like
Northwood
Plaza
over
on
McMullen
Booth
and
Enterprise
in
Clearwater.
That
was
the
example
that
was
used
of
the
type
of
commercial
development
that
we
wanted
to
go
there,
a
walkable
environment
for
the
people
that
were
living
in
the
apartment
complexes
right
next
door,
I
mean
we
sold
the
neighborhood
on
that
concept.
J
So
what
happened?
That
concept
went
away.
Other
people
came
in
developers
with
money
came
in,
they
had
a
list
of
allowable
uses,
and
you
know
what
they
did.
They
permitted
every
one
of
them
individually,
all
over
that
site.
All
over
that
acreage.
So
now,
you've
just
got
a
bunch
of
mishmash
of
a
bunch
of
commercial
development,
and
its
orientation
is
totally
to
thy
way.
That
is
not
what
we
want
to
see
happen
in
Oldsmar.
J
There
are
some
uses
that
are
entirely
appropriate
on
the
highway,
I
mean
it's
difficult
to
incorporate
a
gasoline
service
station
into
a
whole
neighborhood
complex.
They
it's
orientation
is
thoroughed
as
it
should
be,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
can
be
done
even
with
the
existing
development
that
we
have
and
things
that
I
believe
we
can
do
to
change.
The
codes
like
require
cross
access
between
uses
that
are
all
in
develop
all
in
one
development
parcel.
J
If
you
can
restrict
the
number
of
access
points
onto
Tampa
Road
or
do
like
the
internal
Street
design
like
you
were
looking
up
there
or
maybe
it's
the
entryway
to
a
subdivision
and
it
feeds
off
of
and
into
those
commercial
areas.
You
know
I'm
not
sure
in
my
head,
why
it's
absolutely
necessary
that
a
restaurant
like
say
Tijuana
Flats
has
to
have
an
access
point
of
tampa
road
when
they
could.
There
was
there's
a
regular
Street
there
that
everybody
can
turn
into
and
then
there
can
be
cross
access
and
feed
into
it.
J
I
won't
take
up
a
whole
lot
of
more
time,
but
my
tendency
is
to
rather
that
just
like
the
others
have
said,
rather
than
putting
so
many
much
emphasis
on
that.
Carter
as
to
what's
allowed
all
that
we
need
to
be
working
with
what's
allowed
behind
it
and
how
it's
designed
so
that
people
can
actually
use
it
for
the
neighborhood
uses
that
benefit
the
neighborhood.
J
A
giant
Car
Wash
doesn't
do
anything
to
help
the
neighborhood
I
can
tell
you
and
I
drive
by
the
damn
thing
every
day.
It's
it's
not
benefiting
me
at
all,
and
it
does
create
problems
for
people
who
live
there.
It's
benefiting
a
lot
of
people
in
Palm,
Harbor,
I,
guess
and
maybe
East
Lake
Woodlands
that
like
to.
G
J
A
You
so
much
and
thank
you
for
the
background,
I
I
think
that's
extremely
important
and
you've
made
some
really
great
points
and
I
I
want
to
clarify
that
when
we
talk
about
the
corridor,
it
really
has
that
depth
it.
It
has
that
either
half
my
or
just
slightly
shorter
depth
and
the
fact
that
you're
all
saying-
and
we
we
heard
from
several
of
you-
don't
Focus
so
much
on
the
quarter.
It
goes
to
how
we
all
think
about
the
corridor.
A
We
think
about
the
corridor
as
one
line
we
still
think
about
it
linearly
and
what
I
want
to
challenge
all
of
you.
As
you
look
at
these
boards
and
and
you
phase
these
questions
is
to
think
about
it.
When
we
say
Corridor
is
really
a
district,
it's
a
district
with
depth
where
exactly
what
Pat
described,
where
these
boulevards
begin
to
link
that
forward-facing,
more
Commercial,
State
Road
and
those
softer
more
walkable
streets
that
lend
themselves
to
additional
activity
either
perpendicular
or
towards
the
rear
of
that.
E
I
was
going
to
mention
that
when
all
those
the
10
000
people
that
are
going
to
be
here
in
the
future,
if
we
put
them
in
single
family
homes
in
the
periphery
they're
going
to
be
driving
their
cars
to
go
to
the
restaurants,
to
the
grocery
stores
to
City
Hall.
If
we
start
accommodating
some
of
those
new
residents
in
apartments
or
condos
in
a
district
like
this,
they
don't
have
to
use
a
car.
They
can
walk,
they
can
bike.
They'll.
Have
everything
within
reach.
K
So,
if
we're
not
going
to
have
big
parking,
lots
and
I
understand
the
concept
about
not
having
a
big
parking
lot.
Where
are
these
people
that
are
coming
in
to
shop
these
areas
going
to
park?
I
mean,
if
you're
putting
the
the
businesses
on
the
road
and
then
putting
the
parking
lots
in
the
back?
That's
not
much
of
a
difference.
K
Then
just
a
touch
on
what
somebody
else
said
about
Tampa.
If
they're
not
participating
in
continuing
anything,
then
it's
not
going
to
really
help
I
mean
if
you
anybody,
travels,
Forest
Lakes,
going
into
Tampa
area.
When
you
get
to
Racetrack
Road
everything.
You
know,
we
opened
everything
up
two
lanes
in
each
Direction,
you
get
to
Tampa,
Road
and
or
Racetrack
Road.
It's
one
lane
it
all
bottles
back
up.
It
doesn't
really
help.
L
M
All
of
the
hotels
and
the
redo
of
the
existing
Oldsmar
Town
Center.
And
it's
it's
good
to
talk
about
it.
But
it's
not.
It
doesn't
sound
like
a
20-year
plan.
It
sounds
like
a
50-year
plan
because,
where,
where
in
God's
name
is
all
of
this
going
to
occur,
I
mean
you've
got
Tates
you're,
going
to
tell
Walmart
that
they
have
to
build
a
parking
garage
so
that
we
can
put
up
some
apartment
houses.
G
A
Developers
when,
when
you
make
a
place
that
is
desirable
or
when
a
developer
feels
like
they
could
be
the
first
one
in
the
door
and
create
the
Catalyst
for
something
great,
they
jump
to
do
that
sort
of
thing,
and
you
touched
on
a
few
things
that
that
I
want
to
clarify.
We.
We
understand
the
sensitivities
with
that
which
is
actually
why
we
picked
a
sort
of
neutral
site
and
and
generic
site
that
it
really
could
be
anywhere
along
the
corridor.
But
we
understood
the
sensitivities
around
some
of
these
sites.
A
We
don't
want
anyone
to
think
well.
Does
that
mean
you're
knocking
down
Walmart?
Does
that
mean
you're
knocking
down
the
flea
market?
So
we
wanted.
We
wanted
to
be
sensible
about
that
and
and
protect
that,
but
the
market
really
drives
that
it's
those
property
owners
that
begin
to
see
the
potential
and
kind
of
jump
and
it's
kind
of
like
dominoes
it
all
Builds
on
each
other,
which
is
also
why
it's
slow
medicine,
because
sometimes
you
don't
have
everyone.
A
I
always
many
years
ago,
I
used
to
work
at
a
firm
that
was
actually
responsible
for
a
lot
of
the
changes
that
happened
down
south
in
Miami
Beach,
and
they
always
used
to
tell
the
story
that
the
revitalization
of
Miami
Beach
actually
started
with
buckets
of
paint.
So
Miami
Beach
was
made
over
for
movie
set
and
all
the
buildings
were
repainted
and
all
of
a
sudden.
A
Somebody
said
well
these
buildings
that
we've
been
sort
of
overlooking
are
kind
of
nice
and
probably
something
that
should
be
protected
and
that's
how
the
historic
district
came
and
that's
how
all
that
Focus
for
Miami
Beach
started
to
happen,
and
it
really
was
buckets
of
paint.
So
it's
these
small
incremental
changes,
I
I
work
with
an
applicant
in
another
South
Florida,
Community,
that
it
was
actually
a
gas
station
and
they
were
coming
and
they
were
coming
in
to
add
a
pump
and
repaint
the
building.
A
And
after
talking
about
how
the
development
happening
and
how
the
development
was
actually
in
a
corridor
very,
very
similar
to
Tampa
Road
and
with
zoning
and
land
use
very
very
similar
to
the
PRD
category
is
actually
called
Toc.
Transit
oriented
corridor,
they
decided
to
completely
redo
their
site,
they
kept
your
their
use,
which
was
protected,
but
they
completely
redeveloped
their
site.
They
made
a
much
larger
convenience
store,
which
was
at
that
point,
not
a
convenience
store.
A
They
called
it
a
market,
they
put
it
on
the
corner
and
they
shifted
their
entire
prototype.
To
put
the
gas
bumps
towards
the
rear,
to
really
engage
that
Corridor.
So
I
think
it's
things
like
that
that
seem
minimal,
but
when
you
really
take
them
into
consideration
and
you
take
it
one
at
a
time,
those
incremental
changes
go
a
really
long
way
towards
changing
the
character
of
a
place.
Okay,.
M
The
developer's
attitude
toward
Oldsmar
I
guess
when
you
consider
that
the
the
city
hall
site
has
been
going
through
development
proposals
and
revisions
for
I,
don't
know
25
years
or
something
there's
there's
no
one
I,
don't
think.
There's
anyone
jumping
at
the
opportunity
to
develop
something
in
Oldsmar,
because
it's
it's
so
tightly
controlled
and
and
by
residents
in
the
in
the
city.
How
would
what's
going
to
change
that
makes
Oldsmar
all
of
a
sudden,
a
a
hotbed
of
residential
activity.
E
Very
first
step:
this
is
making
sure
that
whenever
somebody
is
ready
to
do
that,
we
have
the
regulations
in
place
to
welcome
them.
It's
like
we're
rolling
out
the
red
carpet
for
somebody
to
come
and
do
that
now.
Other
communities
have
decided
to
put
the
little.
You
know
thought
out
there,
and
sometimes
they
partner
the
cities
May
partner
with
somebody
from
the
private
sector
and
build
a
small
project
that
can
start
it
all
over.
N
A
We
we
kind
of
control
what
we
can
at
that
moment
and
right
now,
the
tool
in
front
of
us
that
that
we
have
until
we
could
get
asked
that
and
all
those
other
components
is
the
land
use
and
begin
to
control.
What
happens
you
know
in
that
private
area,
but
still
in
the
public
realm
to
make
those
areas
safer.
O
B
To
get
from
one
side
of
the
road
to
the
other,
they
didn't
want
to
go
down
a
ballet
or
they
didn't
want
to
go
up
to
State
Road
60..
So
we
were
able
to
program
a
pedestrian
excuse
me
overpass
in
that
location.
So
if
you
drive
down
that
stress
of
US
19
now
you
will
see
a
new
overpass
from
the
west
side
of
US
19
South
of
60
to
the
east
side,
and
the
City
of
Clearwater
has
now
branded
it
with
their
color
scheme
and
logo.
B
And
it's
a
nice
attractive
feature
so
through
these
Community
conversations
that
you're
having
that
sort
of
improvement,
could
be
a
possibility
for
Oldsmar.
If
you're
able
to
have
the
regulations
in
place
to
have
those
concentrations
of
activity
on
either
side
of
the
roadway,
that's
sort
of
the
key
that
fdot
looks
for
when
making
those
kind
of
decisions.
J
One
thing
that
I
haven't
heard
anybody
talk
about
so
far,
maybe
an
earlier
Workshop
and
that's
the
issue
of
sustainability.
You
know
half
of
Oldsmar
is
a
labeled
for
residential
evacuation
for
any
kind
of
major
storm
that
comes
through
here.
I
mean
seriously
if
you're
south
of
Tampa
Road
at
some
point,
they're
going
to
tell
you
to
get
out
of
Dodge
and
you're
going
to
have
to
evacuate.
J
J
C
No
that's
an
excellent
question
and
you
know
there's
so
many
factors
to
consider
and
with
the
one
that
you're
talking
about
that
Oldsmar
exists
and
what
we
call
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area,
really
the
flood
zone.
That's
something
that
at
Ford
Pinellas.
We
address
through
certain
criteria
that
all
all
land
use
changes
that
go
through
us
that
exists
within
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area
have
to
meet
certain
criteria.
C
We
address
things
like
access
to
evacuation
routes,
access
to
shelter,
but
also
we
acknowledge
that
we
already
have
a
shortage
in
shelter
space,
so
we're
having
conversations
with
the
Emergency
Management
Department
in
Pinellas
County
determine
how
to
mitigate
shelter
impacts,
and
that
also
exists.
You
know
trickles
down
at
the
local
level.
All
of
our
local
governments
are
required
to
adopt
the
same
standards
that
we
have
and
oftentimes.
They
are
more
restrictive
in
their
standards
in
terms
of
what
they
allow
and
a
really
good
example
is
in
the
city
of
Oldsmar
and
your
town
center.
F
The
focus
of
this
is,
for
the
most
part,
Tampa
Road,
even
though
we're
talking
about
I
think
the
majority
of
us
are
talking
about
getting
off
of
tampa
road
as
part
of
the
the
corridor
and
what
you're
you're
looking
to
fund,
maybe
in
the
future
and
and
you're
trying
to
entice
10
000,
more
people
to
the
city
of
Oldsmar
and
what
what
needs
to
be
created
for
them
to
to
be
sustainable
here.
But
the
reality
is,
you
know
all
these
people
in
this
room
are
residents
of
Oldsmar,
I,
believe
and
I.
F
Think
one
of
the
things
that's
neglected
here
is
what
are
the
residents
of
Oldsmar
going
to
get
out
of
this?
Not
something
that's
20
years
down
the
road
I
mean
look,
look
at
Tampa
Road
from
Curlew
all
the
way
up
to
East
Lake,
there's
a
street
light
one.
It's
it's
a
major
Parks
and
Recreation
Area,
and
it's
as
dark
as
they
come
look
at
what
they
did
to
Forest
Lakes
Boulevard.
They
open
it
up.
F
F
But
those
are
things
that
you
could
give
residents
that
live
here,
something
that
says
we're
working
on
issues
that
impact
you
now
and
at
the
same
time,
looking
at
the
future
of
what
is
is
possibly
owes
more
20
years
from
now,
but
I
think
you
gotta
give
a
little
before
you
just
start.
You
know
taking
everything
else
so
and
it's
not
really
a
ques.
Well,
it
is
a
question.
What
are
you
going
to
do
when
he
talked
about
traffic
between
Tampa,
Road
and
580,
on
Forest
Lakes?
F
And
what
are
you
going
to
do
about
the
street
lights
that
aren't
there
and
haven't
been
I've
lived
here
22
years
and
there
hasn't
been
a
street
light,
one
on
Tampa
Road
by
the
what
is
it
called
now?
Oldsmar
Sports
Complex
that
that's
disgraceful
I
mean
there.
There's
kids
that
you
drive
bicycles
in
the
dark
to
go
to
to
that
complex.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
A
A
How
do
we
plan
ahead
so
that
we
accommodate
them
in
a
way
that
is
smart
and
that
is
appropriate
for
the
residents
that
are
already
here,
but
I
and
I
think
you
have
some
excellent
points
and
it's
all
those
other
components
like
Capital,
Improvements
and
Transit
improvements,
and
things
like
that.
That
also
play
a
role
in
this.
This
tool
that
we're
talking
about
with
land
use
is
just
one
component
of
all
of
that.
A
Okay,
so
if
there's
no
more
questions,
we
would
love
to
talk
to
all
of
you
individually,
we'll
be
at
the
boards.
The
whole
team.
Thank
you,
everyone,
so
much
for
coming
in
I
know
towards
December.
It
gets
difficult
with
the
holidays,
so
I
have
to
say.
I
really
really
appreciate
you
coming
in
I
appreciate
all
your
comments
and
I
appreciate
your
desire
and
your
commitment
to
improving
the
city.
Thank
you
all
so
much.