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From YouTube: Oldsmar Community Visioning Workshop
Description
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022, the City of Oldsmar hosted a Community Visioning Workshop. The workshop was led by a professional planning and facilitation consultant, who will compile and present the findings to City Council at the August 16 City Council meeting. About 100 people participated to collaborate on a Vision Statement and Shared Goals. This information will be used to solicit developers for the city-owned property located near City Hall.
The City thanks the participants for their input in this important process.
A
A
B
B
What
I
understand
those
things
so
what
I
want
to
do,
what
I
want
to
accomplish
tonight
is
some
discussions
about
kind
of
values
and
character
and
and
I'll
dive
into
that.
But
let
me
just
begin
by
introducing
myself
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
what
our
group
is
and
what
we
do
as
a
practice.
B
I
am
the
director
of
a
urban
design
and
planning
studio
called
the
community
solutions
group.
I
moved
to
florida
out
of
the
midwest,
a
large
land-grant
institution
in
1990
to
work
on
projects
at
walt
disney
world
and
which
is
sort
of
like
hitting
the
jackpot.
You
know
sort
of
if
you're
in
the
midwest,
it
seems
super
exciting.
But
after
a
few
years
you
start
to
think
about.
You
know.
B
I
would
really
like
to
work
in
real
communities
if
I'm
really
going
to
stay
here
in
florida
for
the
rest
of
my
life,
which
I
am
going
to
do
so.
I've
now
lived
here
32
years,
whereas
I
lived
in
the
other
place
24
years.
So
I
I
am
very
passionate
about
florida's
character,
towns
and
about
discovering
them
and
understanding
them,
and
the
studio
that
we
run
includes
a
number
of
people
that
are
here
in
the
room.
B
Laura
smith
is
with
our
group
and
she's
going
to
be
also
helping
to
facilitate,
and
I
don't
know
where
then
there's
laura
just
like
that.
The
the
idea
of
our
group
for
those
of
you
that
can
see
the
screens
whatever
screen
is
closest
for
you
is
that
we
try
to
look
at
community
in
a
very
holistic
way
and
the
practice
that
we
run
really
goes
from
visioning
and
master
planning
to
landscape
architecture,
detail
urban
design,
also
financial
aspects
of
how
do
you
put
together
a
funding
or
financial
package
or
a
financing
plan.
B
So
we
really
run
the
whole
gamut
of
working
with
communities.
We
also
work
for
some
private
developers,
and
I
think,
what's
valuable
about
that
is
you
know.
My
interest
in
life
is,
is
that
the
the
local
and
authentic
communities
of
florida
are
healthy
and
vibrant
and
sustainable
and
authentic
to
the
people
that
are
there,
and
I
think
to
really
do
that.
B
You
have
to
understand
a
little
bit
about
working
for
the
community
directly
as
we're
doing
tonight,
but
you
also
have
to
kind
of
have
some
understanding
of
what
is
going
on
out
in
the
development
world
and
what
those
people
are
thinking
about,
and
so,
whenever
we're
working
with
developers
we're
trying
to
help
them
understand
what
a
community
is
trying
to
achieve
and
kind
of
move
them
towards
the
vision
of
the
community.
So
we're
not
here
with
a
specific
agenda,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
tools
I
mentioned
to
someone
earlier.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
tools
in
the
toolkit.
We've
worked
throughout
florida,
we've
worked
actually
throughout
the
eastern
u.s.
I
haven't
done
much
west
of
the
mississippi,
but
pretty
much
everywhere,
east
of
the
mississippi.
I've
worked
in
some
some
region
of
the
country
in
cities
of
all
different
sizes.
So
when
we
talk
about
kind
of
visioning
things,
you
know
we
work
directly
with
communities.
As
you
can
see
here,
we
we
draw
things
and
we
actually
work
on
projects
and
build
things.
B
We
work
concept
to
construction
planning
to
policy,
so
we
know
what
it
takes
to
get
things
done.
We
we
know
what
can
make
for
a
very
contentious
and
unhappy
community
and
we
we
like
to
think
that
we
know
how
to
help
guide
things
in
a
way
that
reflects
community
vision,
and
so
we
have
been,
you
know,
working
in
all
different
types
of
situations.
You
know
all
all
different,
you
know
personalities
this
is
in.
This
is
wauwatosa
wisconsin.
Do
you
wanna
know
where
wauwatosa
is
where's
wauwatosa?
B
Boom,
it's
like
the
first
rail
stop
town
outside
of
milwaukee.
It's
a
really
high
character,
250
to
200
year
old,
traditional
town.
We
we
we
worked
on
their
entire
village
and
it
was
pretty
exciting.
This
is
in
saint
pete
and-
and
you
know,
parts
beyond
so
the
the
goal,
and
I
think
what
what
the
struggle
you
know
in
terms
of
a
community
conversation
in
wherever
we
work
is
always
to
figure
out
what
do
we?
What
can
we
align
around?
B
What
are
the
things
that
that
we
share
that
are
of
common
importance
and
common
values
to
everyone,
and
so
our
our
assignment,
we
we
were,
we
were
asked
to
come
and
facilitate
a
discussion
tonight.
That
really
is
about
values.
What
we're
doing
our
our
assignment
has
essentially
got
three
parts
and
then
maybe
a
fourth
part.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
tonight
is
about
ideas
and
input.
There's
we're
not
going
to
make
any
decisions
tonight
about
anything
regarding
the
land.
There's
not
going
to
be
a
specific
plan.
B
There
isn't
going
to
be
any.
You
know.
Oh
let's
go
get.
You
know
this
group
to
go
and
build
that
thing.
None
of
those
that's
not
what
tonight
is
about.
We
are
here
to
talk
about
shared
vision
and
mission
for
the
town
center
site,
and
to
do
that
we
have
to
kind
of
put
on
our
imagination
hats
for
for
a
minute.
B
B
The
question
is:
if
something
were
to
happen
on
the
property,
what
would
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
that
the
community
would
actually
could
get
excited
about,
and
that
would
reflect
the
community's
values
about
what's
important
to
you
and
we
have
different
ways.
We
want
to
ask
this
question
so
we
kind
of
have
to
just
put
on
our
like,
I
said,
sort
of
our
imagination,
game.
Hats-
and
you
know
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
you
know.
Should
we
do
something
or
should
we
not
do
something?
B
Or
you
know,
let's
just
leave
it
the
way
it
is
forever.
You
know
that
sort
of
a
thing
I
mean:
that's,
that's
a
discussion
for
another
platform.
This
is
about.
If
you
really
looked
at
your
community
and
really
looked
at
the
site
and
said
what,
if
something
did
happen
on
that
property,
what
would
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
would
be
additive
to
my
experience
as
a
person
that
lives
and
works
in
in
oldsmar?
So
then
we're
going
to
do
a
second
piece.
B
We
know
that
the
city
has
gotten
some
unsolicited
proposals
for
the
property,
and
these
are
like
it's
just
like
flash
paper
right.
What
do
you
do
with
this?
Where
did
this
come
from?
I
don't
like
this,
where
you
know
who
who
you
know?
How
did
this
come
about
where'd?
This
idea
come
from
you
know,
so
the
city
essentially
called
us
and
said,
try
to
obtain
the
community's
value
set
and
then
let
rather
than
letting
the
world
come
to
us
and
tell
us
what
they
would
like
to
do
to
us.
B
Why
don't
we
take
a
couple
of
step
process
and
see
if
there's
anyone
that's
interested
in
what
and
what
we're
interested
in
so
we're
going
to
develop
with
the
city?
What's
called
a
letter
of
interest
that
would
go
to
you
know,
investment
development
groups
out
in
the
world
and
the
letter
of
interest
would
be
sort
of
a
statement
of
the
things
that
you
value
and
that
that
would
be
interesting
and
successful
for
you
on
that
site.
B
Okay,
if
enough
letters
of
interest
come
in
by
folks
that
are
qualified
that
know
what
they're
doing
and
are
committed
to
the
vision.
Okay,
we
will
help
the
city
evaluate
those
responses
and,
at
that
point
in
the
future,
there's
a
there's,
a
potential
future
assignment
which,
which
would
be
to
say
we
got
these
letters
of
interest.
B
B
Or
you
know
again,
imagination
game
is
if
something
happened,
what
would
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
would
be
helpful
now?
What
we're
going
to
do
tonight
is
we
want
to
try
to
develop
a
community
driven
vision
statement
for
the
roughly
eight
and
a
half
acre
site,
which
is
known
as
the
city
hall
town
center
site.
B
You
know
that
the
site
has
been
identified
in
the
cra
plan
for
really
since
the
inception
of
the
cra
as
a
town
center
opportunity,
and
it
is
a
primary
mission
of
the
cra
to
do
something
to
dispose
to
to
to
to
re
to
reposition
that
property.
We
know
you've
had
a
lot
of
discussions,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
tonight
is
we
want
to
explore
and
articulate
the
shared
community
objectives
that
you
have.
B
That
would
make
a
meaningful
addition
to
oldsmar
this
this
and
this
input
and
everything
that
you
write
down,
we're
going
to
collect
we're
going
to
type
it
up,
we're
going
to
categorize
it
and
we're
going
to
use
everything
that
we
hear
tonight
to
try
to
organize
into
something
that
we
can
present
to
city
council
on
august,
2nd
that
says:
here's
the
things
that
we
heard
from
the
community.
You
know
I'm
from
orlando.
B
You
know
I
don't
have
a
dog
in
this
hunt,
I'm
here
to
try
to
be
the
translator
of
what
you
all
are
going
to
write
and
say
tonight:
okay,
does
that
make
sense
imagination
caps
on?
I
know
everybody
would
love
it
to
be
a
giant
park
and
we
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
that,
but
we,
let's
think
about
what
if
there
was
a
some
sort
of
a
town
center
type
thing,
what
does
town
center
mean
to
you?
That's
really
the
question
for
tonight.
B
So
I'm
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
presenting
we're
going
to
do
some
exercises.
We'll
do
a
little
bit
of
talking.
We
can't
go
through
every
table
and
have
everybody
talk
so
the
first
thing
I'd
like
you
to
do
is
just
quickly
identify
somebody
who
can
be
a
table
captain,
because
there
will
be
somebody
that
I
want
to
have
kind
of
run
the
table
at
the
end,
when
you
start
consolidating
things
that
you're
writing
down
and
then
we'll
get
to
conclusions
and
next
steps.
B
B
We
just
wanted
to
get
a
house
that
would
reflect
a
characteristic
that
we
see
that
we
that
we
sort
of
noticed
when
we
were
here.
But
let's
talk
about
community
a
little
bit
community
is
a
hard
thing
to
put
your
arms
around
and,
of
course,
we
all
see
these
really
complicated
maps
with
lines
and
colors,
and
you
know
this
zone
and
that
overlay
and
whatever
it
is.
The
bottom
line
to
me
is
that
community
is
really
only
about
six
things.
B
It's
places
to
live,
it's
commercial
places
where
you
can
shop
or
work,
there's
civic
buildings
like
city
hall
or
a
school
or
a
church,
there's
parks
and
the
natural
environment
and
I've
got
circulation
here
in
the
middle
circulation.
Is
how
do
you
get
around?
So
that's
really.
All
there
is
that's
that's
most
of
what
is
in
a
community.
I
mean
we
can
exclude
airports
and
you
know
other
stuff,
although
technically
I
guess
you
could
say,
that's
a
civic
use,
but
but
really
this
really
is
community,
and
so
we
all
remember
the
game
tetris
right.
B
B
You
better
believe
it
so
oldsmar,
as
many
of
you
know,
is
a
really
interesting
planned
community
that
dates
to
the
1920s,
with
mr
olds
of
oldsmobile
fame.
This
this
wayne
styles,
that
did
this
plan,
did
a
this.
This
community
plan,
with
this
kind
of
this
kind
of
hub
on
the
water,
with
the
community
open
space.
B
The
reason
I
point
this
out
is
for
those
of
you
that
have
heard
of
the
the
new
urbanism
or
traditional
town
planning
and
which
really
probably
the
most
significant
initial
plan,
was
seaside
and
then
later
on
celebration,
and
then
you
can
go
downhill
from
there.
Those
plans
from
the
last
30
years
are
all
derivative
of
these
plans
and
really
frederick
law,
olmsted
john
nolan
styles
there's
four
or
five
of
them,
and
those
were
the
guys
that
were
really
on
the
front
end
of
how
to
play
in
a
community.
B
So
you
have
a
you:
have
a
community
here
with
with
a
plan
that
actually
is
of
material
significance
in
terms
of
just
the
history
of
city
planning.
It's
a
it's
a
model
community,
especially
as
you
get
down
towards
the
water
and
you've
got
these
parkways.
You
know
leading
you
from
city
hall,
to
the
water
and
so
forth.
B
You
know
this
was
an
early
rendering.
This
was
the
hotel.
You
know
you
could
see
different
size
things
going
on
here.
You
know
maybe
some
civic
buildings
at
church,
some
homes
and
so
forth.
So
what
happened?
Is
you
know
over
over
the
next?
You
know
50
or
so
years.
You
know
the
community
got
constructed
right,
but,
as
we
all
know,
from
the
20s,
something
really
significant
happened,
which
was
called
the
great
depression
and
that
was
immediately
followed
by
world
war
ii.
B
So
things
slowed
down
for
a
little
while
right
and
then
things
started
up
again
in
the
50s
and
by
the
1950s.
We
were
starting
to
experiment
with
different
ideas
about
development
and
they
were
primarily
organized
around
this
new
invention
that
had
become
attainable
for
virtually
everybody
which
is
called
the
automobile.
B
B
Get
to
a
civic
building,
can
you
get
to
a
place
to
shop?
Can
you
get
to
you
know
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
and
is
it
easy
to
navigate
that
on
foot
on
a
bicycle
in
an
automobile,
whatever,
really
what
happened
after
the
50s
was
we
really
started
to
to
change
our
thoughts
about
city
planning
and
it
was
really
about
you
know,
sort
of
suburban
patterns
and
this
led
to
suburban
sprawl
and
the
idea
of
kind
of
corridor-based
development.
A
B
We
can
walk
around
town.
I
won't
go
through
like
all
six
in
order
necessarily,
but
we
can
see
some
of
the
character
and
values
that
you
have
about
about
the
presence
of
civic
buildings,
the
presence
of
public
art,
respect
for
veterans
and
for
the
history
and
and
prior
contributors
to
your
community.
B
You
know
folks
playing
this
crazy
new
game
that
has
completely
displaced
tennis
and
racquetball.
It's
bananas
when
you
go
to
a
sporting
goods
store,
all
those
other
games
are
gone,
and
now
I
forget
the
name
pickleball
yeah
pickleball's
taking
over.
If
you
go,
if
you
go
to
like
a
sporting
goods
place,
it's
like
there's
like
three
tennis
rackets,
one
racquetball
and
then
there's
like
four
rows
of
pickleball
equipment.
It's
it's
crazy.
B
The
other
thing
that's
interesting
is
we
can
see
a
little
bit
of
this.
This
thing
about
time
in
the
housing
we
can
see
the
original
bungalow
housing
right.
We
can
see
sort
of
the
1950s
and
60s
what
you
would
call
what
what
now
has
been
coined.
Mid-Century
modern
you
know,
but
you
know,
ranch
houses.
You
know
we
see
redevelopment
places
where
you
know.
Homes
have
been
reinvested
for
something
at
a
little
bit
higher
value
or
price
point.
B
Maybe
a
little
more
square
footage
just
to
reflect
the
fact
that
oldsmar
is
a
valuable
place,
because
it's
got
a
heck
of
a
plan
right.
The
street
grid
dictates
the
plan
and
the
other
thing.
The
reason
I
put
these
two
photos
on
here
is:
you
know
whether
you
live
in
a
more
kind
of
humble
home,
maybe
from
that
1950s
era
or
you
own,
you
live
in
a
you,
know,
great
big
new
home.
You
know
at
a
completely
different
price
point,
there's
still
some
kind
of
shared
values
about
quality
of
life.
B
It's
interesting
to
me
how
many
different
homes,
at
whatever
price
point
you
know,
everybody's
got
a
boat
everybody's
got
a
bike.
There's
golf
carts
all
over
the
place,
so
I
do
believe
that,
no
matter
what
your
income
level
is
or
what
your
station
in
life
is,
I
think
there's
some
real
shared
reasons
why
people
love
to
be
an
old
smar.
Is
that
a
fair
statement?
B
Did
I
hit
on
a
few
of
them?
So
if
you
were
to
think
of
this
tetris
game
and
maybe
take
like
one
photo,
that's
like
sort
of
like
the
ultimate
sort
of
emblematic
photo
of
oldsmar
this.
This
might
be
one.
I
mean
we
pulled
it
out
of
our
deck
of
photos
that
we
shot
you
know.
But
what
you
see
is
you
see
big
trees,
you
see,
canopy,
you
see
single
family
homes,
you
see,
you
know
the
the
parkway
that
leads
from
from
you
know,
essentially
state
street
all
the
way
to
the
water.
B
You
know
bicycle
access,
slow
driving,
you
know.
So
that's
really!
That's
really.
You
know
to
me
important,
and
I
think
that
the
idea
here
is
that
these
these
elements
of
community-
you
know
they
they
reflect
not
only
values
and
qual.
You
know
we
talked
about
character,
values,
time,
quality
of
life,
but
they
also
reflect
form
and
function
because,
as
you
saw
in
your
plan
from
the
1920s,
you
can
arrange
these
tetris
pieces
in
whatever
way
you
want.
B
B
So,
what's
interesting
is
when
you
go
to
oldsmar
for
the
first
time
as
I
did
a
few
weeks
ago,
I
get
an
image
of
a
town
center,
so
I'm
I
say
great
so
I
come
in
and
I
see
the
historic
bank
building
and
obviously
you
know
at
the
time
that
this
was
built.
This
is
a
very
important
edifice
and
it
symbolizes.
B
You
know
commerce,
center
of
economic
activity,
etc,
etc,
and
you
also
see
some
values
right
from
the
get-go.
You
know
the
bike
lane
leading
you
to
the
water.
You
know
you're
here
at
city
hall
you're,
at
what
used
to
be
the
bank.
You
know
there
were
a
couple
of
other
stores
in
the
area
and-
and
you
know
you
go
straight
to
the
water
there's.
B
You
know
I
had
to
figure
out
that
I
had
to
kind
of
turn
in
and
then
discover
this,
this
incredible
gem
right.
So
in
some
sense
you
know
the
the
incredible
gem
of
these
neighborhoods
is
kind
of
protected
by
this
area
of
kind
of
either
vacant,
land
or
or
the
other
town
center,
which
comes
in
a
different
form.
So
you
have
this
other
town
center
and
what
this
town
center
is
about.
This
is
about
corridor
post-world
war
ii
style
development.
So
what
does
that
mean
you
get
there
in
your
car?
B
You
generally
get
there
by
getting
out
onto
a
big
road
called
a
collector
road.
There
is
a
couple
of
back
ways
in,
but
generally
you
go
to
the
big
road,
the
there's
some
perfectly
good
businesses
here
and
there's
a
couple
of
them
that
I
really
enjoy
the
food.
But
you
know
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
adventure
to
get
there
and-
and
you
got
to
know
it's
there
and
that
and
in
fact,
in
the
back
of
this,
what's
really
driving.
B
This
is
actually
some
hotel
clusters
that
are
back
here
that
are
really
being
used
by
people
that
are
that
are
coming
to
stay
here
and
then
go
to
the
beach
or
go
somewhere
else
right
and
in
fact,
there's
actually
a
wall
behind
this
kind
of
separating
this
from
the
neighborhood.
So
this
this
this
is
sort
of
a
town
center
in
a
way,
and
I'm
sure
that
that
you
as
locals,
you
use
some
of
these
businesses
right
right.
There
was
a,
I
think,
a
taco
place.
B
I
went
to
on
the
north
side
that
was
just
fantastic,
but
lots
lots
of
good
places
here,
but
this
also
has
its
own
kind
of
problems
like
remember
that
bike
lane
picture
that
I
showed
from
the
first
town
center,
like
there's
kind
of
a
different
idea
about
personal
safety
and
mobility
out
on
this
road
right.
It's
a
it's,
a
different
bicycle
sign
right.
It's
like
there
might
be
a
bike
lane
ahead
right
and
you
might
be
able
to
cross
the
street.
I
mean.
Would
you
want
your
kids
to
cross
that
street?
B
So
you
look
at
it
from
the
air
and
you
know
we
go
back
to
sort
of
form
and
function
and
what
we
see
is
a
lot
of
really
important
things.
I
mean
we
need
to
have
hotels
right.
I
mean,
thank
goodness
thank
you
to
the
hampton
inn
for
hosting
us
tonight
I
mean,
and
I
love
hampton
ends
by
the
way
I
have
my
card.
B
I
have
points
but
but
the
other
thing
that's
in
here
is
is
there's
actually
a
lot
of
really
interesting
employment
there's
actually
some
very
innovative
employment
and
I've
got
a
roster
of
some
particular
companies.
I
decided
not
to
show
it
because
I
didn't
want
to
like
leave
somebody
out,
but
but
beyond
some
some
just
some
quality
businesses
in
this
area
there's
actually
some
very
innovative,
cutting-edge
manufacturing
businesses
in
forward-leaning
technology.
B
Nevertheless,
when
you
drive
this
corridor,
it's
just
the
whole
scale
of
it.
Just
I
think,
from
a
human
point
of
view,
just
gets
confusing.
I
mean
this.
Building
that
we're
in
is
actually
about
an
eight
story.
Building
it's
over
a
hundred
feet
tall
roughly,
but
it's
hard
to
really
understand
scale
and
space.
There's
no
street
trees.
B
There's
it's
just
kind
of
this
wide
open
sort
of
landscape
and
of
course
the
road
is
kind
of
a
free-for-all,
as
opposed
to
this
kind
of
a
setting
where
I
feel
a
sense
of
enclosure
and
I've
got
a
tree
canopy
sort
of
creating
a
space.
That's
human
scale
right,
it's
like
for
like
there's
a
couple
of
moments
where
you
can
almost
feel
that
there's
that
town
center
sign
should
be
there,
but
then
you
know
it
kind
of
goes
away
because
then
you've
got
this
large
area
of
vacant
land.
B
Now
there
are
some
pretty
handsome
buildings
that
have
been
built,
but
there's
something
about
them
to
me.
That
doesn't
quite
feel
right
because
they're,
not
if
you
go
back
to
this
previous
image,
you
see
that
there's
a
relationship
between
the
trees,
the
sidewalk,
the
parking
and
the
building
on
the
opposite
side.
This
this
whole
thing
is
sort
of
a
composition
right.
B
This
there's
there's
really
it's
kind
of
like
sticking
out
like
a
sore
thumb,
so
to
speak,
it's
a
beautiful
building
and
I'm
sure
it
costs.
You
know,
I'm
sure
it's
a
you
know.
Significant
per
square
foot
cost
to
build
this,
but
it's
not
really:
it's
not
really
participating
in
the
streetscape.
It's
not
really
creating
a
pedestrian
environment
and
it's
not
really
part
of
anything
else.
B
So
let
me
just
give
a
couple
more
things
and
then
we'll
do
our
first
exercise
and
I'm
watching
the
clock
here.
I'm
really
going
to
try
hard
to
keep
us
on
time
tonight,
because
I
do
respect
your
time.
First
of
all,
so
this
site
is
interesting
because
it's
right
at
this
nexus
between
this
world
and
this
world,
I
mean:
what
do
you
do
about
that?
B
Okay,
the
other
thing
about
this
site.
It's
about
a
10-minute
walk
to
virtually
all
of
the
core
neighborhoods,
including
the
school
right.
Now,
if
you
could
cross
the
street,
it
would
be
a
10-minute
walk
to
a
number
of
the
businesses
and
some
of
my
favorite
restaurants,
which
are
right
over
here
and
when
you
get
down
to
the
site
itself.
It's
it's.
You
know
it's
about
1200
feet
long,
which
is
just
about
a
quarter
mile.
It's
about
400
feet
deep!
B
It
holds
that
depth
and
then
obviously
you
know
it
comes
to
a
triangle
in
in
the
planning
business.
We
call
this
a
flat
iron
site
because
it's
like
an
iron
right
and
that's
where
you
see
these
amazing
buildings-
and
you
know
old
cities
that
that
have
a
point.
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
think
think
times
square
or
whatever
you
know
those
kind
of
buildings.
A
B
Know
we
have
these
different
frontage.
This
is
wes
running
across
the
street,
I'm
safely
in
my
car,
taking
pictures
of
wes,
so
we've
kind
of
got
this
tampa
road
frontage,
which
is
kind
of
one
environment
and
one
scale.
It's
very
wide.
It's
very
fast.
It's
a
lot
of
asphalt!
You
understand
this.
This
isn't
rocket
science
right,
so
we
kind
of
have
this
kind
of
a
of
a
character.
B
A
B
B
So,
what's
interesting,
then,
is
when
you
see
this,
is
you
see
you
know
kind
of
this?
You
know,
there's
not
really.
This
isn't
really
a
walking
environment,
particularly
there
are
some
real
adjacency
issues
here
that
are
important,
because
you've
got
you've
got
this.
This
non-residential
building
here
fronting
state
and
then,
of
course
the
historic
bungalow
is
right
behind.
B
So
this
is
where
all
the
controversy
is
like.
I
just
I
have
to
give
like
30
seconds
to
this
map,
because
so
that
we
can
move
on.
You
know.
We
know
that
you
have
this,
this
town
center
residential
category,
that
you've
had
an
enormous
amount
of
debate
about
the
previous
here's.
What's
important
or
here's.
What
was
sort
of
eye-opening
to
me
is
that
the
previous,
oh
incidentally,
this
is
all
being
recorded
on
zoom
too
it'll
all
be
on
the
city's
website
and
you're
welcome
to
take
pictures.
B
But
the
idea
is
that
that
that
that
the
tccr
is
established
to
provide
suitable
areas
for
retailing
and
service
other
service
facilities.
You
know
those
those
six
things
that
make
up
community
that
don't
happen
in
the
middle
of
your
neighborhood.
So
like
going,
you
know
to
the
bank
or
going
to
a
restaurant,
or
you
know
going
to
whatever
that's
what
could
happen
here
and
it
has
a
current
development
capability
of
30
units
to
the
acre
of
residential.
You
could
do
a
hotel
at
80..
A
B
B
B
B
It
goes
up
to
65
units
of
the
acre
and
allows
for
a
little
bit
more
dents
per
acre
for
a
hotel.
If
you
could
find
a
spot
to
put
one
in
just
because
the
site
you
know
has
got
some,
you
know
these.
These
blocks
have
got
some
constraints
to
them,
but
the
75
overall
building
height
is
the
same,
except
if
you
want
to
go
above
55
feet
which
is
sort
of
nominally
a
four-story
building,
you
have
to
do
a
10-foot
setback
on
the
building.
B
So
that
that
that
that
urban
wall,
if
you
will,
is
pushed
back
as
it
gets
to
its
upper
upper
elevations,
if
you
will-
and
in
order
to
get
to
any
of
this
to
get
to
this
bonus,
you
have
to
do
mixed
use
that
has
certain
types
of
activities
like
ground
floor,
retail
and
other
types
of
performance
standards.
You
know,
architecture
and
things
that
are
going
to
activate
the
ground
level
and
actually
create
a
place.
B
So
so
you
can
come
in
in
2020
and
do
a
75
foot
six
story,
commercial
building
here
or
with
this
ordinance.
You
could
come
in
here
and
if
you
want
to
do
mixed
use,
you
can
do
a
little
bit
more
residential.
But
you
need
to
activate
the
ground
floor
and
you
need
to
do
some
place,
making
things.
That's
essentially
what
the
ordinance
does.
B
B
So
why
even
focus
on
it
at
all?
Why
am
I
even
here?
Why
have
you
been
having
these
conversations
at
all,
and
this
is
about
where
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
to
you
to
start
working,
I
mean
the
site
does
not
look
good,
it
doesn't
reflect
well
and
it
reflects.
It's
frankly
represents
blight
as
you
drive
by,
and
it
is
a
clearly
stated
cra
objective
since
1966
to
do
something
about
this
site.
B
For
one
thing:
it's
not
generating
tax
revenue.
It's
been
assembled
now
with
three
and
a
quarter
million
dollars
approximately
of
cra
sierra
money
to
put
all
the
property
together
and
there's
an
opportunity.
I
want
to
talk
about
this
word
blend.
There
is
an
opportunity
to
meet
a
multi,
some
sort
of
multi-family
residential
opportunity
that
oldsmar,
frankly
doesn't
offer
right
now,
there's
an
opportunity
to
meet
a
very
high-wage
local
employment
base.
B
B
So
there's
really,
in
my
mind,
there's
kind
of
an
opportunity
here
for
a
win-win.
If
we
can
figure
out
what
the
vision
is,
because
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
some
arrival
and
kind
of
gate
gateway
massing
that
would
scale
tampa
road,
but
also
create
character
and
walkable
activities
on
state
street,
and
I
think,
frankly,
some
guided
development
and
through
collaboration
and
going
out
and
finding
the
type
of
development
group
that
wants
to
realize
your
vision
is
a
much
better
way
to
proceed
than
just
you
know.
B
B
So
let
me
just
let
me
give
you
some
case
studies
and
then
we're
going
to
do
an
exercise
about
about
values
and
character.
So
the
question
is:
has
this
ever
been
done
and
the
answer
is
yes
and
a
couple
of
these
projects?
I
got
to
work
on
a
couple
of
them.
Some
of
my
friendly
piers
got
to
work
on.
This
is
1792
in
maitland
florida.
B
This
is
about.
I
guess
the
only
thing
you
can
say
is
it
maybe
moves
a
little
slower
than
tampa
just
because
it's
so
congested,
but
this
this
is
about.
You
know
as
as
harsh
of
a
road
environment,
as
you
can
have
right.
I
mean
this
is
a.
This
is
a
photo
from
like
you
know.
Recent,
so
we
worked
with
maitland,
they
had
had
this
dream:
maitland
has
winter
park
envy
because
they
don't
have
park
avenue,
they
don't
have
the
shops
and
they
don't
have
central
park
right.
B
You
know
you
know
and
of
course
you
live
in
orlando
and
you
know
multiple
attempts
at
what
to
do
to
try
to
create
some
kind
of
a
town
center
and
a
town
square
for
maitland.
So
we
did
a
plan
for
maitland
and
I
think
what's
interesting
about
this
relative
to
oldsmar.
Is
you
have
the
big
arterial,
commercial
road
and
you
have
the
fine-grained
character
neighborhoods
in
a
community
of
choice,
which
is
what
oldsmar
is
a
community
of
choice?
B
This
is
a
character
community
and
the
community
leads
down
to
the
water
and
it's
rich
in
the
arts.
It's
rich
in
the
environment,
it's
rich
in
walkability,
but
they
just
don't
have
anywhere
to
go
without
getting
in
their
car
to
go.
Have
a
glass
of
wine
or
go,
you
know,
get
together
with
friends
or
what
have
you
right?
B
So
we,
you
know
we
did
some
vision
stuff
about
what
you
know,
what
sort
of
a
character
street
that
that's
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
town
center
kind
of
idea
might
look
like
what
it
might
feel
like
what
kinds
of
activities
might
happen
there
and
the
project
got
built.
Now
you
can
love
this
architecture
or
not
love
this
architecture,
but
it
does
it's
to
me.
It's
too
close
to
the
road
is
the
single
biggest
problem,
because
we
can't
get
big
trees
growing
here.
B
So
that's
I'm
going
to
start
right
off
and
say
it
should
have
been
another
10
feet
to
15
feet
back
from
the
road,
so
we
so
that
they
could
put
real
trees
in
and
not
these
understory
trees.
But
one
thing
that
it
does
do.
Is
it
scales
that
road
and
when
you
come
by
this
spot,
you
realize
that
you're
somewhere
it
has
a
really
good
character.
Restaurant
here
and
then
it
steps
back
on
the
other
side
and
what's
interesting
is
back
here
is
there's
a
little
street.
B
B
So
we
created
this
street
called
independence
lane
and
the
back
half
of
the
project
has
got
businesses
that
are
working
and
very
active.
It's
got
some
residential.
Above
and
again
you
can
say
you
love
it
or
you
don't
love
it,
but
I'm
just
I'm
talking
about
pieces
and
parts
here
and
then
it's
it's
right.
Next
to
this
significant
park,
which
we
would
call
public
realm
and
so
and
and
then
there's
a
there's,
a
city
hall,
building
right
here.
B
So
these
things
are
all
kind
of
talking
to
each
other
and
it's
a
very,
very
active
place
and
people
stream
up
from
the
neighborhoods,
the
folks
that
live
down
towards
the
lake.
They
stream
up
here
to
get
a
taste
of
this
and
there's
special
events
and
things
that
happen
here
and
then
they
walk
back
to
their
house.
B
There
is
some
shared
parking
that
is
in
that
project.
That's
publicly
available
and
there's
parking
on
the
street,
and
you
actually
guys
actually
have
a
lot
of
parking
on
state
street,
but
actually
most
of
the
people
walk
and
ride
their
bikes
or
they
can.
You
know
there
are
a
couple
of
parking
opportunities
that
are
there
in
immediate
adjacency.
B
So
that's
just
one
example.
This
is
another
example
now
this
is
way
over
the
top.
This
is
way
bigger
than
what
you
would
ever
allow,
because
this
is
like
eight
stories
and
it's
pushing
100
units
of
the
acre.
But
this
is
another
interesting
project
to
just
reference,
because
it's
kind
of
got
a
similar
situation.
It's
got.
It's
got
a
rail
line
here
I
mean
what
would
you
put
next
to
a
rail
line?
B
Nothing
I
mean
so
so
what
they
did
is
they
put
a
little
more
height
against
the
rail
and
over
here
there's
bungalow
neighborhoods
and
a
little
local
road
called
alden,
and
they
started
to
scale
the
project
down
towards
the
bungalows
that
there's
a
better
relationship
with
the
bungalows,
and
then
they
did
a
really
interesting
amenity
thing
here.
This
is
called
the
yard,
and
this
is
essentially
a
big
food
hall
space
like
if
you
know
the
armature
works
in
tampa
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
they
built
this
place,
and
this
is
within
a
it's.
B
It's
sort
of
at
the
intersection
of
a
street
called
virginia
with
orange
avenue,
and
it's
the
the
neighborhood
is
called
ivanhoe,
and
this
place
is
incredibly
popular
with
the
folks
that
live
in
those
neighborhoods
to
come
in
here
and
and
use
this,
but
the
real
trick,
and
again
you
can
love
the
architecture
or
not,
and
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
architectural
style
at
the
moment.
I'm
just
talking
about
scale
and
uses
yeah,
I
mean
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
it's.
Well,
it's
it's
meant
to
be
sort
of
this
industrial.
B
It's
meant
to
reference
like
the
old
industrial
buildings
that
were
along
the
rail
line.
That's
why
it
looks
the
way
it
looks
so
just
kind
of
ignore
the
appearance
of
it,
but
just
note
that
it's
stepping
down
and
it
has
a
better
relationship
to
the
street.
You
know
at
essentially
four
stories
here
now.
Another
thing
that
people
get
caught
up
on
is
they
get
cut
up
on
this
density
thing
and
about
numbers.
B
B
B
So
I
think
density
is
something
like
we
get
caught
up
in
these
numbers
and
it's
really
more
about
what
stuff
should
look
like
and
what
it
should
be
doing
for
you.
So
in
this
case
this
is
a
another
big
road
and
in
this
case
I
actually
got
to
work
on
this
project.
I
did
not
work
on
the
building,
but
I
worked
on
what
happened
after
the
building.
A
B
Road,
I
think
if
they
were
to
do
something
like
that
on
tampa,
you'd
want
to
be
even
more
kind
of
dramatic
with
it,
but
this
is
what
really
should
have
been
done
on
that
other
project
that
I
showed
you
from
maitland.
I
mean
that
building
is
just
all
over
the
road.
It
looks
like
it's
going
to
fall
on
the
road
if
it
was
just
back
a
little
bit
and
better
proportioned,
I
think
it
would
really
work
nicely
on
1792,
but
you
know
the
problem
with
this
project
is:
there's
nothing
happening
on
the
ground
floor.
B
B
The
challenge
with
these
things
is
that
you
know
they
don't
they
don't
create
quite
enough
critical
mass
to
actually
support
any
retail,
and
you
know
because
they're
handling
their
parking
like
this
and
so
forth.
There's
not
really
a
way
for
these
this
types
of
project
to
really
deliver
much
in
the
way
of
activity
or
public
realm.
They
they
need
to
feed
off
the
city
around
them.
They
can't
really
contribute
to
it
themselves
and
thinking
about
height.
B
I
guess
another
thing
about
height,
I
know
there's
you
know
it's
always
a
contentious
issue
everywhere
I
go
and
I'm
very
sensitive
to
it.
But
one
thing
to
notice
about
height
is
I'm
actually
standing
on
the
fourth
floor,
garage
level
of
our
office
building,
which
happens
to
look
down
on
all
this,
and
this
is
those
town
homes
they're
about
35
feet
because
they
actually
have
roof
gardens
on
them.
B
But
what
you
see
is
that
I'm
actually
had
to
get
to
a
spot
where
I
could
actually
see
over
the
trees,
because
if
I'd
have
been
just
over
there
to
my
right,
I
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
take
a
picture.
You
wouldn't
even
see
anything
and
the
reason
is
because
there's
a
tree
in
the
way,
because
these
trees
grow
to
about
60
feet
if
they're
done
right
and
so
there's
street
trees
right
in
front
of
me.
B
That,
like
would
literally
like,
I,
wouldn't
even
be
able
to
see
this
building
so
there's
something
about
the
proportion
of
the
tree
canopy
as
well
as
what's
underneath
the
tree
as
it
relates
to
buildings.
Where
things
be,
when
things
become
out
of
scale
with
the
environmental
tree
canopy,
then
your
city
feels
different.
B
B
That
really
work
is
that
the
the
sidewalk
condition
is
really
set
up
at
about
16
to
20
feet
and
there's
like
this
magic
number
at
18
feet
where
you
can
get
what
we
call
a
shy
zone
because
nobody
walks
right
next
to
a
building
right.
You
kind
of
walk
like
here,
so
there's
like
a
right
and
then
there's
like
a
retailing
zone.
There's
a
walking
zone,
a
furnishing
zone,
that's
where
the
trees
go
and
then
there's
it's
nice
to
have
a
step
strip.
B
B
I
don't
want
to
show
you
any
more
images,
we're
monitoring
the
folks
that
are
on
zoom.
If
you
can
hear
me
we're
gonna
you're
gonna
be
on
the
chat
and
wes
is
gonna,
be
working
the
chat,
but
we
want
you
to
think
about.
You've
got
you've,
got
cards
on
the
table
that
are
individual
to
you.
We
want
your
individual
input
on
these
four
questions.
What
types
of
experiences?
B
Let's
not
worry
so
much
about
these
numbers
and
things
that
we
get
all
wrapped
around
the
axle
about.
Let's
step
away
from
that
for
a
second
and
say
that
if
we
actually
had
a
town
center
on
this
site,
that
did
some
sort
of
magical
blending
thing,
what
experiences
would
you
have
there
and
what
would
be
the?
What
would
sort
of
what
would
the
character
and
appearance
kind
of
feel
like
and
what
kind
of
what
would
the
livability
and
and
how
would
it
maybe
help
your
economic
competitiveness
and
your
overall
economy?
B
B
B
I
wanna
you:
can
you
can
keep
working
by
yourself
if
you're
still
working
by
yourself,
but
what
I
wanna
kind
of
shift
to
is
a
little
bit
different
gear
where,
as
you
start
to
get
your
ideas
on
your
own
paper,
I'd
like
you
to
talk
to
each
other
at
your
table
and
in
the
center
of
the
table.
There's
there's
a
single
sheet
that
has
each
of
the
four
topics
on
it
and
I'd
love
to
sort
of
have
the
table.
B
B
Okay,
let
me
try
to
reconvene
the
room
and
this
this
may
be
the
most
difficult
part
of
the
whole
evening.
This
is
why
it's
so
important
that
you
write
things
down.
Can
I
get
your
attention
now?
There
are
like.
I
don't
even
know
how
many
tables
in
here
15
or
so
tables,
if
every
table
talks
for
like
only
five
minutes,
we'll
all
get
out
of
here
at
midnight.
B
B
A
B
A
B
B
B
A
A
Okay,
we
want
it
to
stay
quaint,
so
we're
true
to
old,
oldsmar
and
listening
to
you.
We
think
that
might
be
some
kind
of
buffer,
both
against
tampa
road
and
against
the
neighborhood
behind
tampa
road,
and
we
love
your
idea
of
big
trees
like
to
keep
it
low
traffic
and
very,
very
walkable
and
bikeable.
B
A
We
have
the
same
kind
of
idea
about
the
oppana
eateries.
My
main
thing
is
no
trees
on
tampa
road.
We
don't
need,
as
taxpayers,
to
trim
cut
up
keep
them.
I
think
a
big
wall
on
tampa
road
would
be
the
best
with
a
mural
and
make
beautiful
murals
volunteer
artists
to
paint
and
then
put
parking
on
the
second
and
third
floor
and
the
restaurants
and
everything
face
to
green
area
where
we
can
have
in
the
parking
garage,
maybe
perhaps
a
balcony.
B
B
A
That
that
others
have
said
you
know
the
walkability
and
things
in
the
food
and
entertainment
community
events
to
bring
everyone
together,
outdoorsy
type
things
seating.
That
type
of
thing
we
disagree
with
the
trees.
You
know
that
you
need
that
shade.
You
need
that.
You
know
atmosphere
to
make.
People
want
to
be
outside
instead
of
feeling
more
industrial.
It
feels
more
small
town,
you
know
with
planters
and
and
the
trees
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
just
kind
of
make
it
a
destination.
B
A
B
A
Areas
to
sit
and
enjoy
scenery
and
trees,
and
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
mentioned
already
green
space
keep
our
small
town
feel
be
the
town
this
is
about
talking
about
promoting
it,
be
the
town
that
is
used
in
the
presentation,
like
the
yard,
that's
how
you
know
create
a
place.
People
want
to
come
to
and
be
able
to
access
financial
stability,
compatibility
with
the
neighborhood
good
blend
of
living,
businesses
and
retail
and
retail.
A
A
As
someone
who,
when
I
first
moved
here,
lived
in
eden,
one
of
the
cool
things
is
I'd.
Get
up
on
a
saturday
morning.
Look
out
the
front
door
and
there's
cars
parked
oh
something's,
going
on
so
I'd,
walk
out
the
door
and
go
see
what's
taking
place.
I'd
like
to
see
downtown
denate
oldsmar
have
that
opportunity
as
well.
A
To
do
this
so
remember
that
when
I'm
talking,
okay
character
in
appearance,
southern
coastal
cool
was
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
not
too
contemporary.
Walkable
visual,
appealing
charm,
quaint,
no
club
scenes
places
where
you
can
go
breakfast
lunch
or
dinner
and
do
like
multi-stop
travel.
You
know
like
have
coffee
here,
go
there
for
dessert,
hang
out
with
your
dog
in
the
music
somewhere
else,
so
it's
kind
of
that
vibe
a
place
where
you
can
really
hang
out
for
a
while,
better
lighting,
no
purple
lights,
we'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
A
A
I
say
that
if
you're
listening,
everybody
kind
of
wants
the
same
thing,
that's
what
I'm
hearing
we
have
dining.
We
want
restaurants,
pubs
and
lounges.
Of
course,
those
are
with
early
closures,
10
11
o'clock,
as
the
residents
are
going
to
want
to
listen
to
somebody
beat
guitar
until
midnight
ease
of
entrance
and
egress
parking.
Maybe
a
garage
would
be
a
great
idea,
retail
shops
that
were
affordable,
socially
active
for
all
ages,
lightly,
landscaped
and
attractive,
but
not
overdone.
Maybe
you
could
help
us
with
that.
I
don't
know
walkable.
A
Some
of
that
is
just
reminding
the
area
of
our
geo
locale,
because
we
really
are
in
a
great
spot
and
ariel's
had
a
pretty
good
idea
of
where
he
put
this
thing
when
he
did
it
all
those
years
ago,
we're
20
minutes
from
the
30
minutes
from
the
airport,
traffic
or
20
30
minutes
from
the
beach
et
cetera.
So
some
of
those
things
are
rather
organic
and
they
happen,
and
I
think,
if
we
take
all
these
ideas
that
everybody
agrees
upon
and
we
get
the
right
to
match
lit,
that
will
be
just
fine.
Thank
you.
A
A
So
we
went
with
the
old
tampa
bay
vibe.
We
wanted
tree
lighting
versus
street
lighting
to
make
it
more
appealing
at
night,
so
it
doesn't
become
like
a
party
town
and
it's
not
like
super
bright
again
outdoor
use,
kind
of
a
space
to
gather
no
chains.
Local,
unique
restaurants,
only
active
bitcoin,
safe,
clean
people
that
work
here
play
here
so
being
able
to
have
a
place
to
go
to
after
hour
drinks,
farmers,
markets,
it'll
bring
in
outside
bunny
and
tourists
and
then
for
experiences.
A
Two
of
the
things
that
I
feel
like
we
that
weren't
mentioned
were
some
way
to
connect
to
the
water,
so
a
connection
or
a
quarter
corridor
to
the
water
like
a
rooftop
restaurant,
so
that
you
could
physically
see
the
water
and
then,
lastly,
some
sort
of
like
welcome
center
or
statement
piece
like
a
giant
tree
full
of
lights
or
something
so
that
it
can
signify
that
this
isn't
a
drive-by
town.
This
is
oldsmar.
B
A
Same
thing,
a
quaint
vintage
quiet
feel
small
small
town
feeling
preserve
our
town,
history
and
character,
kind
of
keep
that
intact
and
we're
really
concerned
about
the
wildlife.
We
have
a
very
unique
flora
and
fauna
here
in
oldsmar,
we're
very
blessed
to
have
a
lot
of
beautiful
nature,
and
we
want
to
see
that
preserved.
A
We
also
like
to
see
a
lot
of
special
events
such
as
poetry,
readings,
maybe
farmer's
market
flower
shops,
art
events
and
places
to
sit
and
relax
and
rest
on
some
benches
and
tables,
maybe
places
to
gather
for
coffee
in
the
downtown
area.
But
we're
really
really
concerned
about
a
lot
of
the
nature
and
gardens
and
flowers
and
things
as
well.
B
A
All
right
so
folks,
on
very
active
chat,
happening
a
lot
of
what
was
said
here.
I
like
what
valerie
mentioned
you
know,
as
in
terms
of
being
a
destination,
this
town
center
should
be
in
worthy,
which
I
think
valerie's
referencing,
the
application
called
instagram,
in
which
this
would
be
a
place.
You'd
want
to
take
a
picture
of.
A
Moreover,
sean
says
you
know
as
we
need
people
pressure
on
the
street,
and
so
building
residential
units
in
this
area
will
help
support
the
businesses
that
you
are
talking
about,
the
shops
and
the
local,
the
local
kind
of
vibe
stuff
and
then.
Finally,
I
think
that
you
know
everything
you
heard
about
lighting
and
oh
kid
friendly.
So
there's
there's
a
reference
here
by
carrie
that
this
should
be
a
kids
activity
center,
a
place
where
kids
can
learn
and
and
play
and
interact
and
gather
so
good
good.
B
Okay,
great,
that's
great!
Okay!
Let
me
try
to
move
kind
of
to
the
last
part
of
the
discussion,
and
this
has
gone
a
little
longer
than
I
thought
where
we
would
be
just
because
I
talk
too
much
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
room,
and
these
are
complicated
ideas,
but
I
think
we're
doing
pretty
good.
Let
me
let
me
let
me
go
back
to
the
slideshow.
B
B
B
This
is
wauwatosa.
This
is
a
small
portion
of
it.
We
worked
all
the
way
up
the
street
all
the
way
up
to
harwood
and
way
down.
I
mean
way
down
to
where
that
big
park
is
way
down
the
menominee
river.
Anyway,
you
know
when
you
think
about
streets,
I
mean
streets
are
fundamentally,
they
are
the
single
biggest
public
open
space
that
you
have
in
your
city.
Is
your
streets
think
about
it?
B
B
This
is
the
bane
of
post-world
war
ii
development
that
I
talked
about
earlier
because
as
soon
as
you
take
away
network,
you
focus
everybody
on
one
road
and
that
becomes
the
only
road
that
goes
anywhere,
and
you
can't
make
that
road
big
enough
and
there's
a
few
cities
that
have
tried,
like
los
angeles
and
houston
and
atlanta,
and
you
cannot
do
it,
you
cannot
you
can.
A
network
like
you
have
here,
will
always
outperform
so
streets.
B
This
is
actually
in
my
hometown.
Somebody
mentioned
lane
avenue.
This
is
somewhere
up
north.
This
was
an
extremely
controversial
project.
It
was
frightening
for
me
to
go
back
and
do
it
because
I
knew
my
parents
would
be
hearing
about
it
in
church
and
there
were
yard
signs
and
people
with
stickers
and
the
whole
nine.
This
is
a
very
calm,
unified
group
compared
to
that
situation,
I'm
from
columbus
ohio.
That
would
never
happen
here
and
there's
a
and
there's
a
there's.
A
first
there's
a
first
ring
suburb.
B
B
There
have
been
periods
of
time
where
certain
development
entities
like
one
of
them
is
the
rouse
company
came
in
and
they
built
a
retail
entertainment
center
in
practically
every
city
in
the
country
and
only
like
two
or
three
of
them
are
still
in
business.
Today,
like
you
know
like
navy,
pier
in
chicago,
and
you
know
like
the
landing
in
jacksonville,
that
was
a
rouse
project
right.
The
idea
was
you're
to
drive
to
this
thing
and
do
whatever
you
do
and
then
you're
going
to
go
back
to
wherever
it
is
that
you
live
right.
B
Same
thing
happened
with
church
street
in
orlando.
You
know
as
soon
as
disney
and
universal
came
on
board
and
as
soon
as
they
learned
how
to
sell
beer,
I
mean
church
street
station
was
out
of
business
in
like
a
year
right.
So
the
idea
of
destination
retail
that,
like
the
whole
world,
is
going
to
come
to
oldsmar
and
and
and
use
whatever's
going
to
happen
here
that
that
might
happen
for
like
a
minute.
But
that's
not
really
a
thing,
because
there's
always
going
to
be
something
cooler,
that's
going
to
open
up
somewhere
else.
B
There's
what
it's
I
mean:
it'd
be
nice
to
have
some
visitors,
but
the
reality
is
that,
in
order
for
retail
to
survive,
it
actually
has
to
have
a
sustainable,
vibrant
relationship
with
actually
the
immediate
proximate
neighborhoods
residential
employment
base,
because
those
are
the
folks
that
are
there
seven
days
a
week.
You
know
as
opposed
to
trying
to
bring
people
in
from
the
outside
and
create
some
giant
thing
on
friday
and
saturday
night
and
stay
in
business.
It
just
doesn't
work.
B
That's
why
that
one
building
didn't
have
any
the
yellow
building,
because
just
nobody
believed
retail
would
ever
work
there,
and
until
there
was
some
more
housing,
then
retail
started
to
occur
on
other
blocks
in
that,
if
you
remember
that
yellow
building
okay,
we
keep
going
so
again
outdoor
dining
kind
of
interesting
someone.
Someone
talked
about
cool,
I've,
never
been
cool,
so
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
But
but
I
do
understand
local
and
I
love
local,
not
a
big
chain
chain,
love
local
places
and
again
local
places
have
to
be
relevant
to
the
locals.
B
You
go
to
savannah,
so
you
can
kind
of
for
like
a
minute.
You
can
kind
of
pretend
that
you
live
in
savannah
and
eat
whatever
they
eat
and
do
whatever
they
do
and
get
out
of
there.
While
you
still
have
money
right,
music
is
a
big
thing,
and
I
it's
amazing
to
me
so
many
people
talked
about
you
know,
and
I
think
that
I
think
the
light
and
the
sound
and
the
control
of
this
is
a
really
big
deal.
You
know
this
is
not
you
know
we
we're.
B
We
can't
if
we're
going
to
introduce
some
activity
on
state
street.
You
know
within
just
a
few
hundred
feet
of
you
know
some
honest
to
gosh
residents
residential.
You
know
we
gotta,
we
gotta
turn
it
down
and
we
gotta
turn
it
off
at
a
reasonable
out.
You
know
whether
it's
10
o'clock
or
you
know
whatever
it
is.
You
know
you
know.
B
B
I'm
not
saying
we
should
you
know,
I'm
just
saying
that
they're,
you
know
the
the
the
sense
of
discovery
when
you
go
and
you
want
to
find
these
mice
and
they're
in
these.
You
know,
and
then
you
end
up
buying
the
t-shirt,
and
you
know
it's
an
activity
yeah.
So
I'm
not
saying
that
we
should
go
that
far
and
oldsmar
is
not
anywhere
near
as
big
as
greenville.
B
It's
a
different
city
different
setting,
but
but
the
idea
of
art
and
discovery
to
me
is
is
part
of
who
you
already
are,
and
I
think
it
should
be
part
of
who
you
are
going
forward.
This
is
in
lakeland.
I
love
the
idea.
This
is,
I
think,
is
lemon
street.
This
is
like
a
double
boulevard
or
a
double
parkway
of
trees,
with
maybe
some
larger
art,
and
this
might
be
a
way
to
create
some
sort
of
separation
and
some
buffering
and
some
shade.
B
B
You
could
sure
you
could
do
os
for
oldsmar,
you
know
places
for
you
know,
people
talk
about
street
events
and
food
trucks,
and
you
know
it
could
be.
It
could
be.
You
know
again.
This
is
back
to
the
lawn
on
d.
You
know
it
could
be.
Very
you
know,
kind
of
kind
of
hip
cool.
You
know
whoever
those
people
are,
I
still
haven't.
B
B
And
that
you
know
it
seems
like
there
ought
to
be
a
place
to
have
that,
and
someone
said
you
know
we're
really
good
at
standing
in
the
grass
and
drinking
beer,
but
there
ought
to
be
some
other
way
that
we
can
hang
out
so
so
I
didn't
make
that
up.
That
was
said
by
the
community,
so
whatever
that
means
to
you.
B
This
is
a
really
interesting
hardscape
space
plaza.
This
is
in
winter
garden.
And
what's
in
what
to
me
what's
what's
notable
about
this
is
that
it
does
have
a
splash
pad
for
kids,
but
it's
within
a
hardscape
environment
where
they
can
turn
the
splash
pad
off
and
they
have
a
hardscape
space
to
hold
events.
And-
and
of
course,
you
can
see
that.
A
B
Scaled
with
real
trees
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
yeah
and
it's
very
charming
there-
we've
done
actually
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
winter
garden,
yeah,
it's
curbless
yeah,
the
idea
of
a
curbless
environment.
Is
you
get
rid
of
that
six-inch
wall
and
it's
amazing
how
people
can
get
around
you
know
of
all
ages.
A
B
A
B
No
well,
it's
it's
not
just
that.
You
know
it's
it's
a.
We
could
have
a
whole
conversation
about
about
curbless
environments,
but
I
I
think
that's
a
it's
a
very
interesting
proposition.
What
that
whole
street
relationship
is
someone
mentioned
dogs?
Actually,
several
people
mentioned
dogs
and
I'll
tell
you
I'm
I'm
a
big
fan
of
you
know
I
didn't
get
to
have.
I
didn't
have
a
dog
when
I
was
a
little
kid
and
we
have
a
dog
now
and
oh
my
gosh,
I
would
get
rid
of
all
three
kids
for
the
dog
if
it
came.
B
If
I
came
to,
is
this
gonna
be
on
public
can't
send
any
links
on
this
presentation?
No,
I
mean
folks
love
their
dogs
and
folks
love
to
go
places
with
their
dogs,
and
you
know
this
idea
of
like
a
dog
bar
or
a
dog
park,
something
that's
pet
friendly.
You
know,
I
think
we
all
love
our
pets
for
those
of
us
that
are
pet
owners.
B
A
place
where
you
know
now
this
is
in
naples.
We
did
some
work
on
fifth
avenue
in
naples
and
the
thing
about
naples
is
that
there's,
you
know
obviously
an
enormous
amount
of
development
there,
but
it
for
for
all
the
activity
on
on
on
fifth
avenue.
It's
still,
you
can
still
ride
your
bike
down.
Fifth
avenue,
it's
unbelievable
and
I
was
telling
someone
earlier
about
this
project.
B
This
is
on
flagler
avenue
in
new
smyrna
beach
on
the
other
coach
on
the
other
coast,
but
the
idea
that
you
know,
maybe
there
is
some
kind
of
a
boutique
hotel,
but
it
has
to
be
done
in
a
way
that
is
sensitive
to
that
place.
So,
like
hampton
into
me,
is
like
an
interesting
brand
because
we're
all
familiar
with
this
particular
model.
This
is
like
what
I
would
call
the
highway
model,
what
you
see
at
highway
interchanges.
B
How,
if
you
go
to
whatever
the
cool
redevelopment
area,
is
in
a
historic
part
of
a
city,
it's
uncanny,
how
you
will
find
a
custom-built
hampton
inn.
So
what
I'm
telling
you
is
that
if
you
were
to
want
some
sort
of
a
hotel
product
somewhere
near
your
town
center,
if
you
wanted
that,
you
may
not
want
that.
But
if
you
did
the
hoteliers
understand
how
to
not
give
you
their
1a
plan.
If
they
said
no,
we
don't
want
the
1a
plan.
B
B
There
might
be
a
possibility,
you
know,
I
can't
promise
a
grocery
store.
I
don't
think
we
have
enough
density
of
people
around
here
to
drive
a
grocery
store
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
would
want
people
from
the
outside
coming
in
for
groceries.
But
it's
conceivable
to
me
that
maybe
I
mean
there
are
some
models
out
there
for
just
kind
of
like
daily
needs
kind
of
the
basics.
B
B
B
B
You
know,
but
there
also
might
be
some
ideas
here,
like
these
rain
gardens,
that
we
did
on
a
flush
street
by
the
way
on
this
same
project
that
I've
shown
you
a
couple
of
times,
but
it
might
mean
things
like
like
solar
or
might
mean
free,
wi-fi
or
something
that's,
maybe
energy,
efficient
or
leed
certified.
It
might
be
something
about
electric
vehicles.
I
don't
know
what
that
might
be,
but
something
that
kind
of
is
sort
of
leaning
forward
into
sustainability
and
resiliency,
and
and
maybe
even
technology
and
communication
and
stuff.
B
B
If
you
could
try
to
write
on
the
back
of
the
sheet
a
mission
statement
or
just
one
vision
sentence,
and
let
me
give
you
an
example,
this
is
now
I
don't
expect
anything
as
worked
up
as
this,
but
when
we
think
about
a
vision
statement
that
you
might
put
out
there
about
what
you
want
and
what
you're
not
going
to
accept
less
than
happening
here
is
this.
This
is
a
statement
about
you,
know,
sort
of
a
thesis
statement
and
then
some
key
points.
B
So
this
is
about
this
says
an
opportunity.
Is
growing
on
the
west
side
of
downtown
the
transformation
of
several
acres
of
land
into
a
mixed-use
district
provides
residents,
new
paths
to
education,
careers,
business,
housing
and
community
public
private
partnership
is
a
shared
vision
to
ensure
that
our
city's
kids
have
access
to
education
lead
to
high
quality.
You
know
so
this
is
this
is
sort
of
about
what
this
project
is.
This
isn't
about
what
you're?
What
your
thing
is.
This
is,
but
but
it's
kind
of
a
it's
kind
of
a.
A
B
Bit
of
a
thesis
statement,
and
then
it's
got
some
bullet
points.
You
know
things
that
it
would
like
to
achieve
a
place
where
businesses
can
expand,
with
access
to
quality
workforce,
a
place
where
quality
housing
for
all
income
levels,
a
path
to
ideas
and
innovation
built
on
the
heritage
of
the
historic
neighborhood.
B
B
That
might
kind
of
put
it
all
together
for
you
and
then
what
we're
gonna
do
and
because
I
am
gonna
you
know
we're
gonna.
Let
people
leave
as
they're
ready
to
leave.
I
don't
want
people
to
feel
like
they've
missed
anything
is
we
are
gonna,
we're
gonna,
take
all
these
sheets
and
we're
going
to
try
to
compile
these
into
something
that
we
think
is
elegant
and
eloquent
that
states
what
we
think
you've
said
and
what
you've
written
and
also.