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From YouTube: Architectural Review Committee | June 12 2023
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Regular Meeting of the City of Palm Springs Architectural Review Committee, held June 12th, 2023
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By
Robert,
all
in
favor
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue
that
is
within
this
committee's
purview.
Comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time
that
that
item
is
presented.
If
you
want
to
speak
on
an
item
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
speak
now.
Each
speaker
shall
have
three
minutes.
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Okay,
moving
on
to
the
agenda
item
number
one
is:
excuse
me
number,
two
unfinished
business
number:
two,
a
Richard
Meaney
for
a
major
architectural
application
to
construct
a
6531
square
foot
single
family
residence
on
a
hillside
parcel
located
on
Lot
21,
2424,
Morning,
Morning,
Vista
Drive
within
the
desert,
Palisade
specific
plan
area.
Could
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please.
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Good
evening,
chair
and
Commissioners,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
6
500
square
foot
home
within
the
desert
plan.
Sorry
desert
Palisade
specific
plan,
Lot
21,
is
located
within
oops.
Wait
gotta
get
used
to
this
highlighted
area
right
here.
It's
on
an
irregular
shaped
lot
in
the
desert,
Palisade
specific
plan.
So
we
got
the
site
plan.
On
the
left
hand,
side
nothing
much
has
changed
with
that
site
plan.
Since
the
last
time
it's
come
to
Arc.
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Last
time
we
spoke
Arc
had
a
discuss
their
concerns
with
the
roof
detail
of
this
project,
the
fascia
and
the
screening
of
the
vents
and
ducks,
as
well
as
access
to
the
mechanical
equipment
which
was
originally
located
under
the
residence.
The
applicant
has
addressed
those
issues.
First,
they
have
addressed
the
access
to
the
mechanical
equipment
by
moving
the
mechanical
equipment
to
the
west
elevation.
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The
mechanical
equipment
is
sufficiently
screened
from
public
right-of-way
and
just
to
go
forward.
One
I
should
think
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm
gonna
go
back.
They
are
proposing
this.
This
pathway
that
runs
along
the
west
elevation
closer
to
the
property
line
to
get
to
the
mechanical
equipment.
Upon
talking
to
the
applicant.
They
are
and
to
limit
disturbance
to
the
site
and
keep
it
as
natural
as
possible.
They
are
taking
that
walkway
and
pushing
it
closer
they're
agreeable
to
taking
the
walkway
and
pushing
it
closer
to
the
to
the
residence.
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The
fascia
DHL
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
side
has
been
updated
as
well.
Originally
they
were
proposing
a
concrete,
concrete
roof
and
they
had
changed
it
to
Wood.
The
top
is
going
to
be
spray
foam,
the
tan
spray
foam
and
stucco,
actually
not
stucco
I
apologize.
They
are
proposing
to
make
this
a
smooth,
stucco
right
here.
This
part
that's
visible
to
the
public,
so
it
doesn't
show
the
spray
foam
material.
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The
applicant
is
also
applying
for
an
administrative
minor
modification
application
for
the
overhype
increase.
The
height
does
increase
by
two
feet.
As
mentioned
in
the
staff
report.
The
applicant
is
available
to
speak
on
the
issues
of
access
to
the
storage
facility
or
sorry
storage,
room
that
is
located
under
the
house,
and
the
location
is
looking
for
recommendations
as
far
as
the
access
for
the
for
the
pool
guy
and
that
great
difference
issue.
So
with
that,
the
staff
staff
does
recommend
approval
subject
to
conditions
and
the
applicant
is
available
via
Zoom.
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Hello,
hi
hi:
this
is
Jorge.
Well,
we
have
the
3D
model
where
it's
it.
Actually,
it
shows
a
little
bit
of
of
how
are
we
accessing
the
the
storage
room
that
we
have
below?
We?
We
always
since
we
started
the
design
of
this
house.
We
thought
we
fell
in
love
with
the
the
dry
River
that
is
located
there
and
wanted
to
always
keep
as
intact
as
possible
instead
of
creating
platforms,
or
we
wanted
to
keep
the
nature
of
the
site
very
intact.
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So
we
decided
this
house
that
way
so
that
in
this
Center
we
have
a
we
keep
all
the
driver
intact
and
and
that's
the
main
concept
of
the
house.
So
in
this
case,
right
now,
when
we
talk
about
the
access
for
the
pool
guy
to
to
get
to
that,
it
take
us
to
a
little
bit
of
depth,
but
but
we
see
it
as
a
something
that
we
wanted
to
keep
it
as
organic
as
possible.
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We
can
correct
those
from
the
civil
engineer,
okay,
so
but
basically
it's
an
area
that
you
will
be
accessing
from
the
left
hand
side
here
on
the
screen
where
you
see
it,
you'll
be
accessing
from
there
and
into
that
that
little
stories
that
we
have
below
it's
a
space
that
it
was
created
originally
to
put
the
mechanical
we
took
it
out,
but
we
saw
that
it
was.
We
still
need
to
structure
the
house,
so
we
we
kept
it
as
a
storage,
but
it's
not
the
main
storage
of
the
house.
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We
have
storage
on
the
on
the
garage
so
before
minor
a
cleaning
equipment
for
the
for
for
the
landscape,
landscape,
okay.
So
on
the
solar,
there
were
some
comments
on
the
solar.
Also,
we
we
we're
gonna
do
a
skirt,
a
skirt
to
be
built
after
the
application
of
the
of
the
solar
panels.
They
will
be
flat
on
the
roof
on
the
fascia.
There
was
another
comment
also
on
the
fascia.
The
fascia
will
have
an
overhead.
It's
an
overhang
of
12
inches
a
thick.
H
It
is
composed
by
two
by
eights
with
members,
joist
and
fascia,
and
it
will
be
finished
with
a
smooth
stucco
plaster
of
the
Silverado
color.
A
light.
10
and
it'll
be
matched
with
the
with
the
spray
foam.
Also,
the
spray
foam
will
be
only
if
you
see
here
the
spray
foam
it's
on
the
horizontal
parts,
so
you
will
be
only
seeing
it
from
the
sky.
So
the
the
areas
that
you
see
from
the
streets
are
covered
with
the
the
smooth
stucco
plaster
over
a
dense
glass
sheeting
with
the
Silverado.
H
Color,
okay,
so
we
also
referenced
the
the
roof
bands
we
use
per
City
standards
for
the
roof
pencil
that
you
can
see.
You
cannot
see
it
on
the
Sun,
the
neighbors
above
also,
we
reference
the
the
the
stair
details.
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
show
the
store
details,
is
there
detail
for
the
pool
pool
guy
and
it's
gonna
have
a
the
full
server?
Access
has
been
addressed
by
adding
a
walkway
path
and-
and
it's
made
out
of
concrete
steps
supported
by
a
steel
beam
and
temperature
glass
guard
rails.
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So
you
cannot
see
it
that
much
and
you
can
see
there.
That's
the
detail
for
that
VM
and
also
there
were
some
comments
about
the
underground
ducting
that
we
had
proposed
at
the
first
first
time.
First
attempt,
but
we
designed
it
when
we
changed
the
roof
to
be
wood,
we
were
able
to
use
all
the
hvs
deducting
on
the
on
the
in
the
ceiling
in
between
the
in
between
the
joists
and
and
then
there
is
only
a
little
bit
area
all
that
those
red
areas
that
you
see
there
and
they're
they're.
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Tom
John
any
questions
or
comments.
Steve
there
nope
I
have
a
comment:
Jorge
you're,
going
to
a
lot
of
trouble
to
create
a
storage
room
that,
even
you
admit,
probably
won't
be
used
much.
Why
not
just
make
it
a
dead
space
like
you've
got
the
dead
space
that
sits
below
the
garage.
It
would
look
the
same.
It
would
still
have
the
house
on
a
pedestal,
but
then
you've
got
total
freedom
to
manipulate
the
grades
through
there.
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Don't
you
know,
yeah
I,
think
I
think
we
can.
We
can
talk
with
Tim
the
client
on
that
and
he
kind
of
liked
the
idea
of
having
like
like
extra
space,
but
mainly
for
for
maintenance
of
of
that
area,
so
like
landscapers
little
equipment
but
yeah
I
can
talk
to
Tim
on
that
and
see
what
he
yeah.
That's
not
going
to
be
a
problem.
Okay,
let's
see
if
it's
yeah
and.
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On
the
parapet,
detail
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you're
gonna
have
plaster
on
that
short
retaining
wall,
that's
up
on
the
roof
or
not
retaining
well
that
short
parapet
wall,
but
I'd
also
like
to
see
on
the
edge
of
the
overhang
where
the
foam
roof
meets
the
plaster.
There
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
a
metal
or
wood
or.
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Yeah
you
mean
on
the
where
it
shows
rape
kept
there,
that
that
corner
yep
yeah.
Maybe
we
could
do
a
custom
detail,
but
we
want
the
water
to
continue
it'll,
because
we
just
yeah.
We
can
study
that
on
how
to
make
it
I
want
as
thin
as
possible.
We
want
it
but
of
course
it
needs
to.
We
don't
want
to
see
the
foam
from
the
facade,
so
maybe
maybe
a
nail
shape
another
and
a
t-shaped,
a
grip
cap,
or
something
like
that
from
fry
regulator.
I,
don't
know
we
will.
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I
guess
it's
more
of
a
comment:
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
use
of
the
pebble
Tech,
if
I'm
understanding
the
material
correctly
for
the
exposed
outside
wall
of
the
or
the
containment
wall
for
the
pool
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
wouldn't
look
better.
If,
if
they
used,
you
know
the
board
formed
concrete
or
something
because
they've
used
that
elsewhere.
It
looks
like
on
the
on
the
facade
of
the
of
the
structure,
again
I'm,
just
not
familiar
with
seeing
that
much
exposed.
That's
outside
of
water.
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That,
when
the
pebble
Tech
is
out
of
the
water
it
cracks,
it
needs
the
moisture
from
the
water
for
it
to
perform.
So
I
would
think
that
either
just
plaster
to
match
the
building,
since
it's
not
that
visible
of
an
element
or
to
be
made
out
of
the
board
form
concrete.
If
they're,
if
they're
going
to
be
doing
a
concrete
wall
anyway,
structurally
correct.
Let's
just
see
what
it
looks
like.
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Question
I
have
on
the
grading
plan,
there's
a
large
retention
area
called
out
on
the
kind
of
the
top
corner
of
the
plan,
but
it's
not
shown
at
all
on
the
landscape
plan.
Can
you
address
that
I
I?
Don't
think
we
need
to
go
over
the
discussion
of
that
now,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
addressed
in
the
final
plan
so
that
we
can
see
exactly
how
that
retention.
Pond
is
finished
and
if
there
is
any
Landscaping
associated
with
it,.
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And
just
as
a
kind
of
housekeeping
comment,
it
drives
me
crazy
when
you
have
plans
within
the
same
set
of
drawings
and
they're
oriented
differently,
and
that's
why
it's
hard
to
compare
this
grading
plan
to
the
Landscaping
plan,
because
they're
kind
of
flipped
from
each
other.
So
just
a
technical
comment.
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Okay,
we're
gonna
move
to
item
number
three
John
new
business,
John
Elliott
owner
for
a
major
architectural
application
to
construct
a
5064
square
foot
single
family
residence
on
a
hillside
lot
located
on
Lot
12
within
the
desert,
Palisades
Palisades
specific
plan
area.
Could
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please
thank.
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You
chair
jackway,
so
this
house
is
Lot
12
located
in,
as
you
say,
desert
Palisades
on
winter
sun
drive
it's
on
the
portion
of
the
development
that
is
coming
along.
There
are
houses
that
are
across
the
street
and
farther
up
the
hill.
So
this
this
little
street
is
coming
along
with
all
kinds
of
of
interesting
homes
and
we're
here
to
show
you
one.
Today
we
have
a
rendering
of
a
proposed
5064
square
foot.
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Single-Family
house,
you'll
notice
that
it
is
at
a
higher
elevation
on
the
west
side
of
the
lot
and
it
Terraces
down
the
side
of
the
of
the
street
with
the
lower
portion
with
stairs
inside
and
we'll
show
you
that
shortly
in
the
floor
plan,
there's
a
site
plan
that
shows
how
the
house
orients
towards
the
street.
There
is
the
seven
and
a
half
foot,
no
build
easement
on
the
west
side,
point
that
out
along
here
and
then
the
the
south
side
and
the
East
Side
faces
a
common
area.
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The
unique
features
of
this
lot
is
that
there
is
a
an
existing
waterway
that
runs
through
the
lot,
which
causes
some
very
unique
conditions.
You'll
see
the
Topo
lines
here
and
in
the
desert
Palisade
guidelines.
It
says
that
there
cannot
be
masquerading
and
they
have
to
convey
the
water
across
the
lot.
So
the
project
architect
had
to
find
a
way
to
build
the
house
on
top
of
the
Waterway
and
not
disturb
it.
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There
are
bedrooms
that
step
down
Terrace
down
the
hillside
in
the
front
elevation
you
notice
there
was
a
architectural
feature
that
runs
along
the
front
of
the
of
the
structure
and
I'll
flip
back
to
that
in
a
second,
but
that
is
glass
and
the
art
project.
Architect
will
be
able
to
describe
how
that
affects
the
interior
of
the
house.
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Look
at
this
slide.
Mechanical
equipment
is
located
underneath
in
the
channel.
Looking
at
elevations
there's
about
a
seven
foot
clearance
from
the
ground
to
the
slab
of
the
first
floor
of
the
house,
so
there
should
be
clearance
to
enough
to
get
maintenance
workers
and
circulation
through
the
equipment.
L
Pool
equipment
will
be
located
in
a
a
pit
that
will
be
underneath
the
first
floor
deck.
There
is
a
a
door
that
is
through
the
deck
and
then
also
there's
another
access
point.
When
you
come
up
the
the
drainage
Channel
moving
on
to
sections,
there
are
some
site
sections
showing
how
the
maximum
height
of
the
building
is
15
feet,
which
is
underneath
the
pillow
or
the
maximum
height
of
the
guidelines
in
desert.
Palisades.
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There's
materials
that
are
provided
it'll,
be
a
stucco
finish
of
the
house
white
stucco,
and
then
this
is
the
the
glass
architectural
feature
that
the
project
architect
will
be
able
to
describe
better
than
I
can
in
the
packages
there's
some
rendering
showing
how
the
house
will
float.
This
is
in
this
area
here.
This
is
the
channel.
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Hi
good
afternoon,
I
won't
take
long.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
project.
This
house
has
been
conditioned
us
very
well
described
by
Glenn
by
two
main
factors.
The
first
one
is
there's
a
Watercourse
that
is
protected
and
we
needed
to
work
around
it
and
Float
the
house
over
it
in
several
instances.
J
The
composition
has
been
designed
to
appear
as
horizontal
as
possible.
The
the
feature
that
you
previously
mentioned
is
the
glass
the
glass
feature
that
is
on
the
bottom
of
that
Corridor,
that
connects
the
living
room,
the
hallway,
with
the
three
bedrooms
that
are
on
the
North
East
wing,
and
that's
that's
been
placed
there
to
to
in
accentuate
this
horizontality
that
we're
going
to
see
from
the
street
elevation.
J
Something
that
I
wanted
to
add
is
the
older
landscape
is
trying.
Has
been
tried
to
be
preserved
or
glorifying
the
boulders
and
local
vegetation
as
much
as
we
can,
we've
proposed
that,
but
at
least
we'll
be
compliant
with
the
landscape
regulations
and
all
materials
have
been
decided
to
be
maintenance
free.
If
there's,
if
you
see
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
wood
on
on
this
facade,
exposed
to
Assad
that
wood
is
a
thermally
modified
akoya
that
we've
used
in
previous
projects
in
the
desert
and
we've
been
very
successful,
successful
with
it.
J
Other
features
are
the
main
request
that
the
client
had
for
us
is
that
the
pool
was
located
on
the
Southeast
portion
of
the
lot.
So
that's
what
created
the
main
complexity
with
Bridging
the
house
over
these
Watercourse
we've
made
we've
been
able
to
integrate
that
pool
without
modifying
The
Contours
around
it
heavily
and
then
ask
for
these
underground
rooms.
There's
two
of
them.
Once
we
we
had.
We
had
this
Bridge
structure
designed
to
accommodate
the
engineering
Department's
comments,
those
two
air
Chambers
up
here.
J
It
is
good
opportunities
to
hide
equipment
that
would
be
noisy
or
not
pleasant,
not
pleasantly
visible
from
adjacent
Lots.
So
there's
mainly
the
pool
equipment.
It's
inside
that
pool
equipment,
room
and
then
the
heat
pumps,
those
are
outdoor
condensers
are
located,
are
are
attached,
laterally
to
the
facade
and
would
have
a
enough
clearance
to
be
able
to
comply
with
the
manufacturer
standards
for
for
a
year.
Requirements
on
on
that
location,.
J
A
D
So
can
you
oh
sorry,
I'm
excited
now?
Can
you
walk
me
through
the
grading
and
the
clearance?
As
you
go
in
to
the
equipment
and
storage
areas,
it
seems
to
me
that
bedroom
number
one
the
floor.
Elevation
is
about
8.98,
and
can
you
tell
me
what
the
grade
is
underneath
that
that
you
have
the
seven
foot
clearance.
J
Yeah
the
worst
case
scenario
we've
designed
it
to
be
seven
feet,
so
it
would
be
891.
Probably
there
there's
a
just
right
there
on
the
access.
There's
a
there's,
a
step
right,
almost
right
away
as
you
as
you
come
in
as
the
building
goes
up
four
feet.
The
sulfate
is
at
901..
If
you
zoom
in,
if
you
zoom
into
the
plan,
you
would
be
able
to
see
those
I.
Have
it
open
here.
J
J
A
J
J
But
that's
the
yeah
yeah,
that's
the
existing,
the
existing
Contour.
It's
been
modified
and
pushed
in
I,
think
and
then
yeah
we
would
we
would.
We
would
be
able
to
modify
those
Contours
slightly
to
be
able
to
accommodate
a
better
access.
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
know
what
your
requirements
would
be
for
that
height,
but
we
would
be
able
to
adopt
them.
Well,.
J
G
J
J
Well,
we
right
where
the
gas
meter
is
it
the
the
the
soffit
steps
up,
but
you're
you're
right?
That
should
be
modified
slightly
too.
So,
when
you're,
when
you're
in
front
of
the
gas
meter,
your
your
roof's
been
already
stepped
at
four
feet
right,
it's
true
that
the
access
to
that
location
is
is
gonna,
probably
lower.
It's
gonna
be
around
five
feet.
Are.
D
J
Well,
we
would,
our
owner
would
be
able
to
put
a
four
a
four
foot
fence
around
the
pool
we
haven't.
We
haven't
provided
any
any
physical
four
foot
barrier
for
the
pool
we've
seen
that
other
projects
didn't
have
this
fencing
I
I,
assume
that,
since
this
is
inside
the
HOA
that
would
be
transferred
to
the
HOA,
the
requirements
for
fencing
I
think
it's
a
county
issue,
though
account
issue
yeah.
So
we
we've
seen
some
of
the
other
projects
have
temporary
fencing
around
pools.
J
A
M
M
M
That's
since
been
removed,
and
they
do
now
have
a
metal
vertical
fence
in
place
where
the
where
the
fence
was
and
I
think
it
was
an
oversight
at
the
time
that
it
was
approved
and
since
then
they've
had
to
put
it
in
and
there's
only
one
other
house
up
there
I
believe
where
they
do
not
have
some
kind
of
a
barrier
up
there
and
they
have
a
temporary
one
where
it
goes
into
some
slots,
but
for
the
most
part
they
they're.
They
are
all
putting
them
in
at
some
point.
J
D
J
D
D
I
J
Walked
around
those
Boulders
and
and
it's
not
ideal,
but
it's
it's.
The
the
the
I
see
that
the
proximity
of
the
Contours
in
these
areas
is
not
it's
not
that
high,
so
it
wouldn't
be
too
much
too
steep
a
climb.
We've
we've
walked
that
many
times,
but
if
your
suggestion
is
to
add
this
this
path,
we
will
have
no
problem
with
that.
Okay,.
J
F
So
when
I
look
at
that
and
then
the
landscape
plan
I
feel
that
the
landscape
plan
is
underdeveloped.
In
response,
you
know
to
the
amount
of
grading
that
probably
will
actually
occur,
based
on
these
Contours
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
preserve
the
boulders.
You
know
in
place
and-
and
this
might
not
affect
it,
but
it
almost.
The
landscape
plan
needs
to
be
overlaid
on
this
grading
plan
and
make
sure
the
retention
basins
and
the
slopes.
F
The
other
item
was,
it
says
the
surface
level
for
the
pool
is
at
901.5,
but
it
shows
the
corners
of
the
pool
at
904.5,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
a
mislabel,
because
you're
calling
for
an
Infinity
Edge
and
it's
showing
in
the
rendering
that
way.
But
this
this
would
put
you
know
the
water
level
three.
J
A
A
You
any
other
questions,
I
kind
of
think,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
missing
from
the
plans.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
aren't
probably
totally
worked
out
and
a
lot
of
issues
that
are
pretty
significant
as
an
example.
If
you
just
look
at
the
section
on
that
cuts
right
through
that
hallway
in
front
of
the.
A
J
But
the
cones
would
be
offsetting
inside,
so
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
them.
You
would
have
the
glass
in
front
from
the
outside,
okay
and-
and
the
good
thing
is
that
when
you're
inside
you
don't
mind
that
much
because
that's
at
your
at
foot
level,
so
it's
not
you're
not
going
to
appreciate
the
the
horizontality
the
same
way
as
you
do
from
the
outside.
A
And
then
you
don't
there's
a
number
of
spots
where
I
think
you
need
to
you
you're
missing
a
lot
of
material
call
outs.
We
can't
tell
what
the
finishes
are
again.
Looking
at
that
cantilevered.
What
is
on
the
bottom
of
that?
Are
we
seeing
exposed
metal
decking?
That's
supporting
the
concrete.
Are
we
saying
board
formed
concrete?
Are
we
seeing
plaster
because
all
of
those
things
you're
going
to
be
able
to
look
up
at
that's.
A
So
it
needs
to
be
called
out
on
the
drawings
and,
as
you
look
at
these
sections
on
4.01,
none
of
the
building
Heights
are
called
out.
So
I
can
see
that
the
house
is
stepping
down,
but
I
can't
really
get
a
feel
for
the
relation
of
the
height
differences
between
the
different
things.
And
this
is
that
just
kind
of
follows.
Through
the
plans
like
on
the
exterior
elevations,
there's
symbols
for
what
the
materials
are,
but
there's
no
legend
for
what
the
materials
are,
and
so
we're
we're
just
kind
of
guessing
I'm.
J
Sorry
I'm
sorry
I
did
that
is
okay,
so,
first
for
the
for
the
elevations
and
Heights,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
typical
height
established
on
on
the
side
of
each
elevation
and
section
that
shows
every
elevation
on
every
height
to
the
left
of
the
elevation
transactions
for
the
or
the
materials
those
should
show
their
is
a
material
board
list
that
should
specify
what
is
what,
but.
A
And
then,
as
I
look
at
the
floor
plan
on
1.01
at
the
entry
coming
in
from
across
the
yard.
There's
several
different
sets
of
steps
and
lots
of
lines
that
might
indicate
walls
might
indicate
planners
might
indicate
a
curb
at
ground
level.
A
three
foot
high
wall
adjacent
it's
uncertain,
and
then
the
walkway
continues
to
the
left
of
the
garage
out
in
front
of
the
driveway.
But
it
looks
like
that.
A
J
J
Tried
to
detail
that
further
on
this
lab
openings
plan,
it's
on
a204
and
that's
where
we
try
to
identify
where
the
stop-off
slab
elevations
are
that
that
corner
where
you,
where
you?
Yes,
obviously
you
have
more
than
30
inches
in
great
difference
and
you
would
require
a
guardrail
has
been.
There
is
a.
There
is
a
water
feature
that
has
been
added
in
that
location,
so
that
you
don't
have
to
have
a
need
for
this.
J
J
I
A
Retention
Ponds
are
not
shown
on
the
Landscaping
plan
again,
so
we
don't
know
how
the
boulder
work
relates
to
those
ponds
and
Landscaping
that
might
happen
with
them.
There's
some
uncertainty.
If
I
look
at
your
plan
on
page
2.01,
there's
a
hatch
Mark
shown
outside
the
building
that
might
be
the
overhang
or
might
be
the
decking
I
I,
don't
know
which
it
is
and
then
on
that
same
plan,
there's
something
a
wooden
screen
of
some
sort,
possibly
in
front
of
the
kitchen
and
in
front
of
the
master
bathroom
and
over
at
bedroom.
A
J
J
Three
of
those
renders
that
we
hoped
would
offer
a
lot
of
insight
as
to
how
this
building
is
going
to
look,
and
then
we
detail
the
site,
elevations
and
and
the
and
the
building
elevations
and
the
two
sections
that
were
required
to
be
shown
on
your
checklists.
But
all
these
all
these
connection
details
that,
for
our
experience,
working
with
planning
reviews
before
we've
never
had
to
develop
a
project
that
up
to
that
standard.
J
A
J
It's
just
we're,
usually
so
we're
usually
able
to
navigate
that
during
the
construction
documents
face
and
we're
able
to
provide
this
further
detail,
that
is
reviewed
Again
by
the
planning
department.
So
if
we
get
a
conditions
of
approval
that
have
to
be
looked
at
when
we
further
develop
the
drawings,
usually
the
planner
would
look
at
those
and
see
that
all
your
conditions
have
been
met.
And
if
you
require
further
detail,
we
would
provide.
We
don't
think
we
have
provided
anything
that
that
wouldn't
be
considered
legal
other
than
other
than
the
the
spot.
J
J
So
we
will
of
course
develop
the
plans
to
that
stage,
but
it's
just
our
client
typically
typically
would
want
to
have
a
certain
a
certainty
before
he
spends
whatever
he
needs
to
spend
for
this
next
phase,
in
which
we
involve
all
the
other
Engineers
that
need
to
be
involved
and
our
our
own.
Our
own
production
team.
A
A
F
Yep
again,
I
think
site
planning,
wise
and
massing
and
so
forth.
It's
approvable
I
would
like
to
see
when
it
comes
back,
a
more
detailed
landscape
plan
that
relates
to
the
grading
plan
and
then
also
an
increase
in
in
the
size
of
the
trees
that
are
proposed.
The
major
trees
should
be
between
36
and
48
inch
box
versus
24
inch
and
then
also
on
the
landscape
lighting.
F
A
F
You
know
I
went
back
and
it
looked
like
the
Palisades
approved
them.
I
was
surprised
and
also
the
melaleuca
tree
as
well,
because
normally
we'll
see
Palo
Verdes
but
I.
Think
if
it's
approved
by
the
HOA
and
you
know-
or
you
might
want
to
mix
it
up
between
some
olive
trees
and
Palo
Verde,
you
know
to
give
it
more
of
a
native
look.
You
know.
F
A
E
J
Material
proposed
for
the
facade
is
not
white
stucco,
the
white
stucco.
The
stack
was
the
second
option
and
would
be
a
lime
Limestone
finish
by
La
Habra,
but
the
first
option
would
be
either
an
exposed
concrete
with
an
Earth
with
a
limestone
finish
collar
or
a
large
format,
a
stone
stone
that
has
it's
called
the
Chilean,
the
Chilean
look,
it
looks
it
looks
like
the
Limestone,
but
it's
not
as
as
porous
in
our
and
and
as
maintenance
intensive
as
the
limestone.
C
Anything
no
I
concur
with
the
rest
of
the
comments.
I
think
you
do
really
need
to
look
at
the
pool
security
around
the
pool,
because
that
is
I.
Don't
to
my
knowledge,
HOAs
can't
override
County
or
state
code.
In
terms
of
you
know,
access
to
a
pool
by
a
neighbor,
so
I
think
you
need
to
really
look
at
that
and
make
sure
you
incorporate
something
in
that
works
with
the
with
the
Landscaping.
A
Thank
you,
I
agree
with
Robert's
comment
that
we
don't
have
enough
finished
details
here
to
really
be
able
to
vote
on
it,
but
I
will
tell
you.
This
is
a
beautiful
project
and
it's
going
to
be
approved.
God
is
in
the
details,
so
we
just
are
more
interest
in
it.
What
you
just
said
it
could
be
plaster,
it
could
be
a
type
of
limestone.
It
could
be
tiles.
That's
three
totally
different
characters
to
the
front
of
the
house.
A
J
But
we're
not
worried
about
providing
more
detail.
We
just
we
would
appreciate
having
more
clarity
as
to
can
we
get
into
the
structural
design.
Now,
like
is
the
main
form
of
a
building
approval,
we're
compliant
with
every
every
single
line
of
the
planning
code.
Are
we
able
to
to
then
go
ahead
and
start
to
detail
all
these
White
lunch
beams
to
see
what
our
worst
case
scenario
is
to
see
our
final
depth
of
cantilever
like
we
need.
J
We
need
to
do
all
these
things
before
we
can
actually
go
on
ahead
and
start
detailing
right,
and
that,
like
the
first
question,
is
drainage.
Drainage
is
directly
related
to
the
structure.
So
we
cannot.
If
we
cannot
design
the
drainage
before
we
design
the
structure,
it
needs
to
happen
at
the
same
time
same
with
mechanical
electrical
Plumbing.
So
if,
if
we
have
a
conditional
approval
for
the
main
mass
of
the
building,
when
we
can
go
into
the
structural
design,
we
could
come
back
when
we
have
been
working
on
everything.
J
At
the
same
time,
when
we
have
to
freeze
it's
a
really
important
part
when
you
have
to
freeze
all
this
investment
in
the
second
part
of
the
of
the
the
project
which
is
structural,
mechanical
electrical
Plumbing,
until
we
get
an
approval
for
from
planning,
but
planning
is
requesting
further
detail.
We
find
ourselves
in
this
Loop.
A
Thank
you,
I
have
a
question
for
the
planning
director.
I.
Don't
know
that
we've
done
this
before,
but
is
it
an
option
that
we
could
approve
the
basic
design
and
structure
of
the
house
but
require
that
it
come
back
with
finished
details
not
to
the
staff
but
to
the
committee,
so
that
we
all
have
a
chance
to
really
review
how
it
all
finishes
out.
K
Right
one
option
would
be
a
subcommittee,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
way
that
you
could.
You
could
approve
it
on
the
condition
that
it
return.
The
only
thing
is
it
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
for
a
decision
point
I
mean.
Essentially,
you
would
have
to
issue
a
decision
with
a
condition
that
the
the
details
of
the
materials
return
more
for
information,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
how
we
would
structure
sort
of
a
conditional
approval
where
you
would
then
get
additional
opportunity
to
shape
the
project.
Well,.
K
D
A
K
Way
that
you
might
approach
this
that
might
give
the
applicant
some
certainty
is,
is
in
your
motion,
you
know
perhaps
gives
some
support
to
the
overall
site
plan
and
layout
and
then
go
into
the
details
that
you
know
the
information
that
you're
directing
them
to
return
with,
which
might
give
them
the
sort
of
assurance
that
they're.
Looking
for
that,
the
you
know
the
bones
and
basics
of
it.
You
know,
may
be
good
enough
for
them
to
proceed
to
the
next
point
of
of
expenditure,
but
with
a
clear
understanding.
D
Well,
the
conditions
I,
think
the
overall
architecture
and
design
of
the
project
and
the
way
it
fits
the
site
are
all
great.
The
issues
I
think
that
exist
are
Landscaping
in
relation
to
retention,
access
to
the
utilities
and
the
storage
rooms
below
the
house,
fencing
around
the
pool
the
materials
on
the
on
the
house.
D
A
F
C
A
A
K
Sure
a
couple
items
from
me
and
then
we'll
see
if
Ken
have
any
the
first
is
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
recruitment
to
the
Architectural
Review
Committee
I
know.
A
number
of
you
have
graciously
continued
to
sit
with
us,
despite
your
terms
technically
expiring,
on
on
paper,
and
there
are
a
few
reasons
for
that.
Obviously,
we've
had
a
transition
of
city
managers,
we've
had
a
transition
to
a
new
city
council,
and
so
we
are
now
in
the
process.
K
So
we
will
reach
out
to
all
of
you
when
we
have
a
little
more
information
about
that
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
about
that
process
and
opening
reapplications,
where
we
we
need
to
so
stay
tuned
on
that.
But
thank
you
again
to
those
of
you
that
continue
to
sit
despite
your
terms,
having
expired,
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
is:
is
this
I?
You
know
the
idea
of
application
volume.
I
know,
we've
had
a
couple
of
meetings
canceled
and
we
have
some
relatively
light
agendas.
K
At
the
same
time,
obviously,
the
economic
uncertainty,
I
think
means
that
well
I,
wouldn't
say:
we've
necessarily
seen
a
big
measurable
decrease
in
the
volume
of
our
applications,
but
I
think
we
are
seeing
is
not
the
same
turnaround
that
we
were
seeing
I
think
when
people
were
a
little
bit
more
eager
to
get
their
projects
approved
and
through
the
system.
So
you
know
where
we
might
be
going
back
with
comments
they
may
be
taking
longer
to
get
you
know,
new
materials
or
revised
materials
back
to
us
we're
seeing
things
moving
a
little
bit
slower,
I.
K
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
yes,
we
are
dark
in
August,
so
I
know
this
month
we're
a
little
off
schedule,
so
our
next
meeting
would
have
been
on
the
day
that
Juneteenth
is
observed.
So
we
will
be
the
following
week
in
this
room
again
because
we're
off
schedule.
We
have
two
meetings
in
July
on
our
regular
schedule.
K
I
K
Great
day
to
have
a
meeting
in
between
holidays
or
on
the
Monday
before
a
holiday,
so
I
think
we
have
one
meeting
in
July.
The
second
meeting
we
will
have
and
then
we
will
be
dark
in
August.
Rick
just
reminded
me
of
something
that
we
would
like
to
set
up.
I
think
you
know,
because
we
find
this
kind
of
conversation
on
the
Palisades
home
specifically
happening
a
lot.