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Regular Meeting of the City of Palm Springs Historic Site Preservation Board (HSPB), held July 5th, 2023

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It is 5 30 pm and I am calling the july fifth 2,023 meeting of the historic site preservation board to order. May we please have the roll call.

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For present. yes., chair huff., vice chair nelson.

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Present. present. number hanson. number rosa now. member bachman.

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Present. remember her? and member.

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We have 7 members present., we have a phone.

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Very good., so I would like to extend a warm welcome to our new board members. that were recently appointed by the city council and sworn in this afternoon. So I welcome kurt.

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Bachman. jeffrey hare. and peter marie. so welcome our new members.

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I maybe during. comments. You could tell us a sentence or 2 about who you are in your background, when we get down to our comments.

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And of course, I also welcome our returning board, members. jay, nelson and janet hanson and eric rosenow.

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So great. we have 7 board members. wonderful., so pleased about that.

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So may we please have the staff report on the posting of the agenda?.

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That's the agenda for this meeting was posted for public review at the city hall, bulletin board and the west side of city, council chambers and the planning department counter all in accordance with the city. Policies.

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Very good. so,, since the newly appointed board members were thrown at the sworn in today by the city clerk. We we can overlook that on the agenda and does the board have any revisions to the agenda?.

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I know. okay,. May I have a motion to approve the agenda, please? okay, eric. thank you.. So is there a second?.

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Okay, jeffrey, thank you., so we have a motion. made by eric rosenel,, a second, by jeffrey eyre.,.

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And, is there any discussion, about the agenda? any, discussion? okay,, seeing none.

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I will call for the question. all in favor of the agenda.. Please say: aye.

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Hi. okay, any opposed? okay,, so the motion, passes 7, 2 0., so next,. This time has been set aside for members of the public to address the historic site, preservation board on agenda items and items of general interest within the subject matter: jurisdiction of the board.

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Although the historic site preservation board values your comments,, a pursuant to the brown act,, it generally cannot take any action on items not listed on the posted agenda.

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There will be 3 min assigned for each speaker.. Testimony for public hearings will be taken at the time of the hearing later in the meeting.

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Has the staff has anyone requested to comment on a non public item or that's not on today's agenda.

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Anybody? expressed interest.

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No, we haven't had any members of the public. reach out. wanting to provide public comment at this time.

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Okay, thank you., so saying no speakers,. We will proceed to the consent agenda for approval of the minutes of june,, the sixth, 2,023,, a historic site, preservation board, meeting.

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So has everyone read the minutes?? Are there any revision to those minutes? vice chair, nelson.,.

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Thank you,, madam chair.. I found one item on page 2 of 4. at the very bottom.

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And it says by trend often. yep, the existing concrete wall is 5 feet from the property wall that should be properly line.

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Not property wall. and up to anything. thank you.

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Good. any other, any other revisions? yes. oh, okay.

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Oh, I'll be in, of course.

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You abstain. okay. that,, any. so.,.

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Thank you., okay., so,, saying no, other discussion or about the minutes or corrections.

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May I have a motion to approve the minutes of june,, the sixth 2,023, with the correction that vice chair nelson made.

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Yep, yep. okay,, so a motion made by member nelson or I'm bruce nelson and a second by member hanson, correct?.

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Okay. and,, and so we have, peter abstaining. and anybody else, one of staying?.

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From approving the minutes. okay. so. I'll call for the question.

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Hi., all in favor,, please say: aye. I,, okay., so, motion, passes, 6 to 0 with one of state abstention.

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Let us proceed. to agenda item. 2 a.

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Agenda to a public hearings.- may we please have this- is an application by the city of pump springs for possible historic designation of karakia, conceion hotel at 257, south potentio road.

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May we please have a staff report.

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Yes,, let me go ahead and get the presentation up on the screen.

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Can you see that in full screen?.

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We see both, both slides. okay, wonderful., oh, okay,. Let me switch the.

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The next slide.

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Yes. is that in full screen, now? perfect., thank you so much., so for the record, sarah, you and historic preservation officer for the city of palm springs.

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This is the first item on the agenda for hspb tonight.. This is the boutique hotel address, 2 57, south potensio road, also known as karaki.

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Yeah., this is noticed, as a public hearing,, and it is here before hspb for recommendation.

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This application is a city initiated project identified by hspb and added to the work plan back in 2020.

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While the hotel currently expands multiple parcels,, the designation, is of the, of the parcel,, which contains the building associated with the artist.

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C. the property is located in the r 2 zone district and it is in the general plan for small hotels.

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As referenced in the historic right resources, report,, the artist residence and the studio was constructed in 1927 with an addition that was added in 1,931.

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The historic context is identified as the palm springs between the wars standing from 1,919 to 1,941.

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Architecturally speaking. revival, style architecture, gained, popularity during this time, and the artist was heavily influenced by the moorish style of architecture,, which was common in morocco.

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And he implemented those ideas when he constructed his residence and artist studio in palm springs.. These early photos show the artist in front of his home and they serve as historic documentation for what the original detailing was on the on the property and on the building, and we can use these as historic documentation to compare what we have on the site. Today.

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These photos show a bit more context to where the home was situated in regards to the desert landscape.

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The one story addition, you also see that in the photograph to the right is located to the rear of the 2 story massing, and it appears to be part of the original building. Footprint.

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As the report clarifies, the period of significance in this instance does span a time frame of 1927 to 1956.. In this instance, does span, a time frame of 1927 to 1956, due to the research where and his daughter as contributing contributing individuals for the property.

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So for the new members, who are in unable to attend the site,, is it prior to today's hearing.

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We have put together a series of photos showing the site context to help provide some additional information as we go through this project.

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Here are some street views and images that were taken along south potentio.. You can see that there's parking, head and parking along the adjacent properties.

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This is looking at it from both the south, facing,, south and north.

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And these photos were taken of the east front elevation of the property. and, as you can see, here, the image on the left is actually of the adjacent parcel.

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It's part of the hotel, but not part of the designation.. So I did wanna make that clear that the the massing and the walls.

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On the image to the right is not part of the designation, so it's actually on a separate parcel.

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These images take a closer look at the front facade. the building permits that we have indicate on the left in the dotted line. Here we do have building permits indicating that the staircase was added back in 1994, there's a bump out in the parapet that we've highlighted here on.

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The image to the right.- we don't have clear indication of when that was constructed,, but you can see that there is a zigzag parapet detail here. That does not appear to be original detail because we don't see it in the historic photographs.

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We did have the chance to go inside the interior and it does look like it was added on to provide more headroom for office spaces that are located in that area..

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So we did want to call that to your attention.. The center image is kind of the iconic image that we have of the, historic.

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The building itself., you see the mosaic details, the keyhole entry feature: you have the wood indoors,, the carvings that were, placed on to the wood indoors themselves.

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We see the historic photographs include this fountain., so there are features that you see in that middle, photograph, that are also emulated in the historic images that we have of this property.

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We turned the corner and this is the north elevation. again,. We have that 2 story, massing.

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We have window details, parapet details that we see, continuing on to the north elevation.

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Original registration details,, but we do see some alterations that have happened over time., it's still keeping with the architectural language. That's there.

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Yes. and we see the transition of that 2 story massing to the one story- addition that we saw in the historic photos.

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And this is the west elevation or the rear of the massings that we saw. just a moment. Ago.

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With the one story addition in clear view on the image to the left, and then we have the main massing, right behind the main massing here.

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And then to the right,, we see a 2 story. Addition, that's towards the southwest of the property.

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Speculates that this may have been the addition that was added in 1931.

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Again,, we don't have clear building records of this.. There are some historic newspaper articles that state that the artist was adding a studio to the park property back in 1931.

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And the property was sold in 1956 and the property of the permit records indicate that the artist studios convert into 6 apartment units at that time.

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So., currently, the southwest edition is considered contributing to the site.

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Okay. here are some photos of that same southwest. addition from the east side., the detailed photos, here on the right, show that staircase that was added in 1994.

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So, in terms of the criteria that we have to evaluate, designation properties, for class, one landmark designations.

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The site must demonstrate an exceptional historic significance.. One or more of the criteria listed here must be met as part of the analysis.

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And, as you have read in your staff, report, staff did find that this property meets criteria on 2,, 3, and 5..

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Additionally, as part of the designation,, the property needs to meet the integrity findings of the following topics.

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In this case, all 7 integrity findings are met and the details are in your staff report in your packet.

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And as part of the designation process,, we do identify main, character, defining features.. These were identified in your packet, as well as the resolution.

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There are unique qualities to moorish, moorish revival, architecture that are that's found in karachi and those were identified. Here.

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One thing to note is that when you look at the original photographs,, there is a dome that was removed in 1968.

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Find that this is a character dividing feature that was lost, which was added in as a character, defining feature, with the caveat that it was lost in the sixties.

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And is in support of its reconstruction so long as the reconstruction meets, the secretary of interior standards for reconstruction.

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So we did want to, include that as part of the character dividing features,, although it is it no longer remains.

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So in conclusion, staff finds that the site meets the necessary criteria for the property to be designated a class one site.

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The owners have been notified of the designation application since the beginning of the process and they have been notified of the hstb public hearing. As you all may, remember.

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This was originally, scheduled for the june meeting and we did, continue it to provide a little bit more time to see if we can get, scheduled for the june meeting, and we did, continue it to provide a little bit more time to see. If we can get, continue it to provide a little bit more time to see. If we can get, some information and some communication.

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With the owners. and the resolution in your packet is hspb resolution number 1, 38.

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With that,, I'm happy to take any questions that our board members may have regarding the report or the staff report.

A

Very good. thank you., so much sarah for, that very nice, illustrated, report.

A

Okay. and it's very important, that you, showed us,, you know, the character, defining features, because the property has a lot of features, defining features, because the property has a lot of features that are not very defining. So it's important, you know for us to understand.

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Hi., I actually have 3. comments. Questions. for staff.

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Yes., do you want me to do one at a time or all 3 and then they can reach, but okay? Well, my first one is: I don't know why it's actually called. It hasn't been called that, only since the 19 nineties, relating to its current use.

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It seems to me that the darmarak,, if that's, how you pronounce it.

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Or cootes castle., relating to the original name of the property by the original property owner.

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Seems more appropriate to me and it's. also within the period of significance,, for the resource.

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So that was a little confusing to me why it doesn't have the historic name associated with it. and you know,. You can have more than one name.

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You might wanna parenthetically refer to that, but., it just, you know, and then in parentheses it actually says.

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Karaki paren hotel., so I don't know. to me that was kind of confusing.

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My second comment related to the criteria for. designation and I think on the report that the consultant report that was done on page 24.

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Criterion 3,, I think they made a important point that probably should be included in the resolution in my opinion.

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Relating to the contribution and to the development of pop springs as an artist colony.- and I know that was referenced- certainly and the report,. But I think it's.

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Other than the 2 artists themselves,, the family, who lived there and their contributions,, I think the property in and of itself, you know,. They have artist salons and events there, and I think that paragraph probably belongs.

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In the resolution under criterion 3., that is the criterion, 3 resource reflex or exemplifies.

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Particular period of national state or local history, and the consultant who did the report specifically talked about it as providing gallery studio, training spaces for local and visiting artists,, some of whom were either already famous in their own right or went on to be calm. Well, now.

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So I think that to me that's an important point to make to the history of the property that I would.

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Recommend is included in the resolution. and then my third comment was relating to. the,, defining historic character, defining features that are also in the resolution and the staff report.

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And I think if you look at page 22 again of the consultant report. there's, I think there might be some important things missing from the list.

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And I only say that not to be super picky,, but because one of the reasons that we define character defining features is that, when someone comes in to do alterations to the property,, it's clear what is and is not character. Defining.

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So I think even the smooth plaster finish of the building seems kind of obvious. and I don't see the decorative tile.

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Just, in the list here. and the courtyard locations,, I'm not sure exactly what that means.

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I mean, is it the courtyard's themselves?? Is there hard scape associated with them? That's important?.

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Those are tiling., then I noticed, you know,, there's a fountain in the front.

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I think one in the courtyard. and it says non-contributing or the water features in the rear, courtyard.

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Hmm.- and I was wondering, if that's the pool in the fountain,- maybe it have that more clear and is the fountain in the front,, a character defining feature.

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Also was wondering about the landscaping.: are there any elements of the landscaping that are included or, if not they're not listed as non-contributing, either there's quite a few palm trees on the property that look mature.

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Yep. so I think, you know,, I don't,, I'm not sure I need to., you know, go through all of the character defined features that were listed,, but maybe we could just recommend that staff.

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Take a look at that list. and maybe augment it. with some of those things that I referenced, that are missing. And maybe, if there are things that other.

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Yeah. other board members think there's also a wall in the front it just kind of a simple wall. If that's not, if that's non-contributing., it probably should be stated.. We just had an issue with that. regarding the museum and a new project.

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That's gonna be happening there so., those were my comments. and I don't know if any board member has a response to that or a staff wants to respond,. But I don't think 2 of my comments. Probably,, I don't know if you need to respond,, but I'm specifically would.

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Like to hear on the selected name. for the nomination.

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Good. thank you,, a member hanson. and so, okay. vice chair nelson.

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Yes, yes, yeah.

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Great,, I don't know if we're continuing now with board member comments. okay. so,. I had a few notes that I had.

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Sorry,, madam chair,, I think we might want to stick to questions until we have.

A

Okay, okay. so, member hanson had asked a few questions, and so we should. We should answer them as much as we know. And yes, you know certainly the deck decorative tile and and the fountain in the front.

A

Awesome. and, and, of course I understand that landscaping is not contributing the wall at front and around that stone, arch, non contributing, and perhaps sarah is that correct is there. I don't know if you can list those items that are not non-contributing for the clarification, because it is kind of a complicated property and that's why.

A

Okay. I said, looking at the character, defining features. is very important and, and then noting you know, the the non-contributing, you know, features like, the landscape.

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So, sarah,: do you want to,, provide any additional information. for those questions? That, you know.

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Sure, sure., I think we can certainly add in those details. That, member hanson had brought up in terms of the decorative mosaic tiles.

B

Yes,, those are historic, features., the smooth plaster finish we can add in as well. in terms of clarifying the details,, the smooth plaster finish we can add in as well.

B

In terms of clarifying the details, related to the smooth plaster finish,, we can add in as well. in terms of clarifying the details, related to the courtyard locations., I think in general proximity,. I think what that was getting at is trying to indicate that that was an open area.. The hard scape is not original, as you saw in the historic photographs., it was a desert landscape.

B

So the hard scape came in much later., and so we can clarify that it is that open space that needs to be maintained in front and towards the rear of the building.

B

So we can clarify that language to be more specific. in terms of the fountain in the front,, I'm not exactly sure in terms of timing when it was installed,, but we do have the artist, early on with that fountain in the foreground.

B

And so I think identifying that as the front fountain,, the fountain in the front, to be part of the contributing, features in terms of the water feature in the rear. Courtyard.

B

There's building permit records showing water features. there's like a water feature towards the back, where you have water flowing down.

B

It looks very modern and it's very obvious,, but we did wanna point that out and we'll keep.

B

That as a non-contributing feature- and I can add some meet to that to describe what which feature that is.

B

Let me see here and then. or decorative mosaics. landscaping.

B

As you know,, there wasn't much natural landscaping in the time period of significance.. We are typically,. We typically avoid trying to.

B

Designate trees and things like that, just because it is we look at it from the standpoint of if this tree dies does that property lose its historic significance?.

B

And so a lot of times, unless there is a very cohesive landscape, design,, where we don't get into the practice of identifying certain.

B

trees and things like that. and so,. I don't know if we would have to necessarily list that as a non-contributing element.

B

But we certainly don't have any landscape trees that are contributing., so I mean that's something that we can discuss..

B

If you wanted to be clarified that it, the landscape, existing landscape is non-contributing.

B

We can certainly add that clarification. and, and then member hansen,, the the edit to the criteria, just adding deep about the or adding more detail about the artist colony related to criteria on is that 5, no 3. If the board is in agreement that language can be added in as part of the analysis.

B

For the resolution for the hspb findings., so those are all things that I have written down and if that is what hspb wishes to do,, we can grow it and create those edits.

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Oh yes., I just have one edition on the character, defining features that seems really important to me because I was wood. Doors are original and really substantial the wood doors and the broad iron hardware.

A

Yes. very, very. very correct., so this is the time for a for board asking, questions of the staff.

A

So are there other questions? vice chair, nelson., questions?.

C

Yeah., thank you, madam chair., so what I had written down in my.

C

Potter. or concerning, again, what member hamilton brought up. in regards to the physical character, defining features.

C

And on page 7 of 8., just staff report. that first line.

C

In the talking instructions on page 22, we would identify the physical character, defining the physical character, defining direct features, blah blah blah and the first one is,. It's the metropolitan.

C

Well, sue, our beneficiary details., so the main one, obviously being the front, door. and,, add member hands and just added and her most loosen comment.

C

That would my biggest concern, because that, for you out is the biggest one on the property and the most obvious character, defining feature at the side, that it's left to,. That is tore there from when it was very both built and it contained the original.

C

And when I was there for the side, with, staff, member unit, hi, very, very closely and was able to tell.

C

That declaring were overlaid., and so it does appear that much of those doors. oh, we can, or have been refurbished.

C

And the hardware appear to be original.. If you look at the photograph and the, port on page 14.,.

C

The vintage photo. you can see, that the would appear to be very flat. and that hardware map to what is the day.

C

So I think it's very important to call off the door specifically in addition to that. thanks very much.

C

And. sure. a couple overall general.

C

comments on page 2 of 8 of the staff report. the caption for the both photo that area of you have clubhouse building.

C

And that's probably just say,, so that would probably, you know, caption from an old report.

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And,, I know general optimization and I know I. oh, good question to staff,, but it was very concerning to see all of the and how a lot of the exterior landscape,, especially in the front of the property,, was overgrown..

C

And was actually pushing up again. some of the more modern additions like the wall and the rubble and causing them to crack..

C

And actually, I can damage who and what we've in addition. no, obviously, those are not character, defined, features,, but.,.

C

They are visible from the front of the property and when you're walking around that very front, courtyard.

C

So. at that time of the favor that it was a maintenance issue. and there are a lot of maintenance issues with a lot of that.

C

So I think that there's something first to be aware: of. and. I'm not sure if the language that we can include.

C

That,, you know,, you have to find out who's a. the owner needs to be.

C

Obvious upkeep and maintenance. the post of the building that are.

C

Around or connected to those character, defining teachers., but when you're standing there looking at the part of the building.

C

So it doesn't speak well to the side.. It doesn't lend to the., and that's really all I have on that at this time.

A

Any other questions? of staff, a member marissa?, yes, pete.

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Yes, hi., I was just wondering,. I didn't understand what the owners of views were on the nomination.

B

So at this time, the owner hasn't provided their exact. position on the nomination.. We've talked with the. members who run the actual hotel itself, and they are in communication with the owners.

B

At this time, they would like to have a meeting with us, to talk about the designation, and they have some questions related to,, you know,, what's allowed, what kind of maintenance is allowed.

B

So we are in the process of scheduling that meeting. we've, tried to reach out the owner since the beginning of the nomination process.

B

We haven't had much response, the beginning of the nomination process.. We haven't had much response, but,. More recently. They have reached out.

B

So we are playing to have that meeting.. We plan to have that meeting before this item goes before city council to get there.

B

Take on the nomination, itself. and again,, I think they have general questions related to,. What falls in as maintenance,? What kind of things can they do,? What's the process after designation, things like that.,.

B

So., that is kind of that's the state. in terms of where we are with the owners.

G

Interesting., who was there an outside firm that prepared the historic report?.

B

There was an outside firm that was, part of the process and then, the city took over the report and finalize the report.

G

Okay. and who determined the character defining features?. I was curious why it seemed like there was a number of fairly obvious ones that should be on the list.

G

I'm just curious why they weren't on there.

B

It was, you, know, staff, looked at the character, defining features of the report and added, what was, kind of important to the analysis.

B

But again,, I think the board has the opportunity to make sure that they are able to interject what they feel is the final..

B

So it was a combination of the report and staffs analysis.

G

Okay,, I'm just I guess I don't understand, since it's been a long time since I've been paying attention to these things.

G

Does the do the outside consulting firms? Typically provide?, you know, their recommendation, including character, find features on that sort of thing, or is it typically just is the staff's responsibility?.

G

Typically, we'll see reports, that identify, historically, historic characteristics and features.

B

It's not, it, and then what makes it into the staff report stuff. has the ability to make that analysis based on their findings as well.

B

So, sometimes they're in agreement and sometimes they are. but yes,. That's kind of how the reports work.

B

And then, of course, the hspb takes both the report and the staff. analysis and makes their own findings and that gets codified in the resolution.

B

That's presented to city council.- interesting. okay. thank you.

A

Very good. thank you. other questions of staff? member hansen.

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I just didn't get clarification on the naming of the property.

A

Yeah. does anybody know? yeah., I don't.

A

Yes., sara does. anybody?. Do you know? okay. member hanson is correct in that the during the time the period of significance it was named by the artist.

B

And we took the most recent name and added that into the report and the resolution, but we can certainly take it back to the period of significance and reference more familiar and people are people understand what property is. So we can do a side reference to the karaki name now. But if there is consensus between the board to make sure that the historic name.

B

Is part of the nomination and the resolution language. we can certainly make that correction.

G

I would support that.

A

Okay. vice chair nelson,, another question.

C

We have, for the point of clarification on the naming. so,. It was doug and jokey's commit.

C

Who renovated the property and turned it into the current modern day? Boutique hotel., who named it, and,, I'm in nineties.

C

It will lead to mid-., and I am in favor of it being called by, and I believe that that book should be on the plaque as well.

C

When it does get final, landmarking and plaquing.

A

Are there other questions? any other questions for staff?.

A

B

Sorry,, can I make one more clarification?, I believe member hanson had a question or a statement related to the walls of the property itself.

B

They are actually listed as non-, for this property., so the walls and the gate,, the stone archways, are listed as non-contributing features.

B

Added much later, we do have building permit records of that being a much later, addition.

A

Very good., thank you for that. clarification., so vice chair, nelson.

A

Yeah, just one more clarification., I would like to make sure that the front door located within the main horseshoe arch penetration is included.

C

In the list,, the character defining features. thank you.

A

Yes, very important. I agree. so, okay, any other questions for staff?.

A

Okay,, seeing no further questions of staff., I will now open the public hearing.. Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak in public comment on this item.

A

Do we have anyone in the audience? if so,, please give your name and address, and then you have 3 min to speak in public comment.

A

Any public comments?.

A

No public comments at this time. okay,, so seeing, no, speakers on this item.

A

I will close the public hearing. so now the action is now with the board.. So this is the time for further discussion.

A

Yes. about this item and so the actions with the board, so this is a good time to to reinforce or or speak. We did a lot of that during the questions.

A

We kind of came to some conclusions., so is there any further discussion? on these items that we've talked about.

A

Okay, vice chair at nelson.

C

Thank you. questions for staff. because it appeared that the issue of oh,, I'm gonna, support that not been completely come phone or clarified.

C

And typically in the past, to know whether there's on a support., so my question is,.

C

Well, we'll stop in shore. that there's only a support for this before it's sent. To council.-.

C

Could I know we have some building forward without that and because this is so important., I just wanna make sure there's some clarity on that question.

B

So, according to our ordinance,, a city initiated project can go before designation without owner support.

B

We have done that in the past, and it is supported by our ordinance.. It is staff's desire to have communication with the owner and clarify any questions related to designation and to get resolution before we go to. City council.-.

B

It's not a requirement to have their their agreement of the designation. and that's, strictly going.

B

Off of the ordinance., the the hspb recommendation,, the staff recommendation., it would be disclosed to the city council if the owner does not support the project that they do not support and they would have the opportunity to voice their opinions. At city council.-.

B

So that is what's supported by our ordinance. that and that's kind of the plan for how we move forward with this,, but it is staff's intention to at least have that conversation fully vetted with the owners before we go to. City council.-.

A

Okay. okay, member.

G

Yeah,, just in terms of process., is it more common to have the opinion of the owner. discussed and dealt with prior to the hspb voting on it only because if they have serious issues with particular things, like.

G

You know,, they don't think that the door is character, finding. well,, that would be problematic.

G

So if it's going., if it's just a discussion with staff., would you make the decision?.

G

We have to go back to the hspb and say, well,. They really don't want the doors to be part of this.

G

Which would be problematic.

B

So, in terms of the discussion with the applicant, yes, I mean,, ideally we would want them to understand the process and see.

B

Where hspb lands., this is a public hearing.. They have been, given all of the information,, including the resolution language, to be able to provide input and they have not provided any input.

B

In regards to our process, so hspb is a recommending body we recommend to hs or to the city council. The resolution language city council is the final authority.

B

So. they may, you know,, take into the applicant or the owners comments related to their actual resolution for designation.

B

So there is that opportunity for that to be vetted at that stage., but yes, you're, correct.

B

Typically, it is,, it is vetted. Before hspb. we've had very, a very difficult time.

B

Canating with the owners like I'd mentioned, and it's in the staff report as well,, but this was added on to the work plan in 2020 and since then we've.

B

But this was added on to the work plan in 2020. and since then, we've, periodically reached out to the owner, notifying them of the work. Plan, notifying them at the designation and the report. and we haven't had much response.

B

We even delayed the last hearing to see if we can give them more time and it just hasn't. Happened.

B

And so, we've, we've decided to move it forward, at least with the hspb portion, to receive the recommendation.

B

And our desire is to try and get that communication settled before we go before. City. Council.-.

G

I would just recommend that it be made very clear to the council that you have done everything possible to get them to speak publicly,, including the public hearing.

G

Absolutely., they won't think that, oh,, you know,, we just ignored their. their concerns, or these people would be coming at the last minute if they have issues.

G

Which is we don't want to cancel., we'll just,, you know, litigate this that this should be all finished.

G

So yeah, that'd be really clear to the council.- these people have had so many opportunities. who voiced their opinion and have not done so.

B

A

Good. more discussion. vice chair, nelson.

C

Thank you,, madam chair., further to remember, lucy's point,. I just wanted to say that,. If billy should not be.

C

Luck to and owners opinion. to determine what is what is not a character, defining feature.. This is why we have nominations and why we have outside phones and city staff and an nhspb, because between all 3 of those entity, we determined what is the character defining feature.

C

The building or the various, the door features, nazi on it. okay.

A

Thank you., any further, discussion?.

I

Yes., I'm actually, if we're done with discussion, I'd like to make a motion.

A

Okay. okay., so is there a so, member hanson has,? Would you please state your, motion?.

I

Yes, I move that the hsp be, adopt resolution number 1 38, a resolution of the historic site preservation board of the city of palm springs,. California, recommending that city council designate.

I

Karaki pecione hotel as a class one landmark,, subject to the conditions.

I

Is subject is not or the determination, pursuing to sequel.? This is not a project., and I would like to make the following recommendations. On top of that.

I

The first is that the name be changed to darmarak, to reflect the original property owner and designer of the property and the name within the beginning period of significance that we augment criterion 3 to include reference to the contribution of this property to the palm springs, art community and the history of the art.

I

Community in the city and number 3 that staff augment the character defining features as discussed today.

A

C

A

Good long motion. do we have a second? okay, so.. We have a motion,, as stated by a member hanson and a second by vice chair nelson.,.

A

Is there any further discussion about the motion?.

A

Oh, clear. okay,, so seeing no additional discussion. I'll call for the question.. All in favor of the motion is stated. Please say I.

D

A

Bye. alright. okay, any opposed?, so the motion passes 7 to 0.. Thank you very much., good, good discussion.

A

So there is no unfinished business today.. So let's move on to new business agenda item for a.

A

And this is a request. By, sunlight peak. represented by, james chiofi, architect for approval of major alterations to a class 3 site located at 275 tamaras road and associated review for potential redesignation of a class 3 site to a class one or.

A

2 historic, resource. so, sarah,. May we please have a report on this property?.

B

Let me go ahead and share the presentations.

B

Yes. alright, is that seen in full full screen?, perfect. alright,. So the second item before you today, address 2 75 tamers, is a request for major alterations to a class 3 site.

B

So the property is actually located in the r 3 zone district and it's in the high density, residential general plan.

B

You can see,. The orange marker here does. It, shows the aerial view of the general layout of the property itself.

B

We have 2 one story: structures that are situated on the site with spaces in between that were originally landscaped..

B

Similarly, staff will go over the photographs of the site to help. contextualize the, project for the new members who are unable to join the site with it.

B

Here are some street views of the existing site that were taken on tamris road.. We have one looking west one looking east and looking straight on.

B

There's some construction fence there, so you can't really see the property.. But when we look into the details of the site.

B

We have a building, on the east side,, which are the existing units, one through 4 and then the west side of the property has, units 5 through 9.

B

As you can see,, the property is currently vacant. and we have, demontrations of, various states of just for prayer at this time.

B

These photos are taken from the rear of the building.. It's an existing conditions.. As you see it today, you can see that there are, some, certain features. You can see here. The triangular shaped patios on the rear of the building and again you can see it in various states of various conditions.

B

B

The applicant team did mention that there was a recent fire in one of the units. Which, was in the west,. The building on the west side that led to the evacuation of the tenants.

B

And,, I need to rebuild certain areas related to this fire damage was observed when we were inside the property itself, so you can see that fire that electrical fire created some damage to some of the members on the roof,, the rafters.

B

And so those will be elements that will need to be replaced at some point. as part of this project.

B

And then other features that were pointed out, while we were at the site visit,, there is an existing fireplace, which was original to the property.

B

Some of the door panelings that were original were pointed out as we were walking on site and there are some surviving original penetration details that were also, pointed out by the, applicant team. When we were on the site.

B

As to the interiors, we did get a chance to go inside. as you know, hstb does not have a purview of the interiors.

B

However, in this case,, we were able to look at the framing to understand how certain elements, design elements were altered and enclosed over time.

B

And so the image here on the left shows an area that was, originally part of the outdoor patio that was enclosed to be conditioned space.

B

Okay. and, of course, the,, the reveal of the building framing, as well as the floor, build up,, provided that material evidence to see what was there originally.

B

And then certain areas we were able to look at were related to the concrete,, and some of the older are the original colors that were used.

B

The applicant team did point out that originally there was a green colored concrete on the exterior, patios and a more brown, kind of coffee, colored, color concrete on the interior.

B

That was used when the building was originally designed.

B

As part of your packet, you saw the plans of both the existing conditions and what the applicant team is proposing as part of their major alteration to this class. 3 site.

B

Let's see,, the proposed alterations mainly deal with the demolition of the non original additions that have altered the site.

B

The sawtooth pattern was something that the applicant team referenced a number of times.. The building footprint was originally the sawtooth pattern that you see here that is being restored to the original detail, and they also mentioned that original demonstration, details, color palettes, were all part of their proposed.

B

Alterations for this site.

B

So when we go back to hspb's review of an application of this manner,, it's a major alteration to a class 3 site.

B

Hspb has 2, choices that they can make.. One is to stay the demolition, up to 120 days and take, undertake the redesignation process.

B

This is,, when the hspb can find that the property possesses excellent or exceptional historic significance and integrity.

B

They would take this option of staying the demolition and proceeding with the destination of the property as a class, one or 2 site.

B

The second choice that they have, that you have is to take no action and allow the applicant to proceed. Finding that the current state of the property.

B

Does not meet the designation findings.

B

In the case, of,, oh sorry,, in the case of 2 75 tamesc road, staff, finds that the eligibility of the historic designation in its current state is not exceptional..

B

Much of the design integrity unfortunately has been compromised through the various alterations and staff finds out the recast classification of the site as it stands today, as a class one or 2 site would be a challenge.

B

The owner's position at this time, they wish to proceed with their project.. However, they have shifted their project from their original, attempt to be more of a restoration of the original design and they have expressed their interest.

B

In coming back to hspb for historic, designation, after,, their project is complete.

B

They as part of their package,, they have included, they as part of their package,. They have included, the draft of their package,. They have included, the draft of their designation report as they have hired.

B

Historians and local experts to pursue the research related to. significance. according to the staff findings,. We do recommend that hspb take no action at this time and allow the applicant to proceed.

B

And allow staff to administerly process the alteration per the code and the required reviews. that the project will.

B

Will need to undertake. with that, I'm happy to take any questions from our hspb board.

A

Thank you very much for that very detailed report.. Does the board have any questions for staff? member hanson.

I

I'm just wondering, since I did not actually attend the site meeting, because I was out of town,, but sarah was it looks like you, know.

I

There's some you know framing and things was there work proceeding on this. They got stopped.

B

So there was a demolition permit that was pulled for this, project in terms of the interior.

B

So they did do,, they did have a permit for interior demolition.. I believe the project prior to coming to hspb in its, alteration, state.

B

And, was under plan check for, for us, the different design.. The applicant team is here to clarify kind of the details related to the project scope and where they're at,, but I do believe they had an interior demo permit.

B

E

And so they were able to do the gut on the inside.

A

Other questions of staff?.

A

Okay. so this time we can invite the applicant representative. to speak and offer, more information about the project and the research.

A

And so I see stephen kelan in the audience.. We would you like to speak mr. keyon?.

K

Sure, good evening. thank you., as you heard in the staff report,, which was excellent.

K

The owners originally had a different vision for this, and so they did get permission to do an interior demolition. After there there was a fire.

K

I think through jim shiafi and susan's, they reached out to me, because it was,, I think they understood.

K

The design was so unique. and,. I think that they believed it must have been from a good architect.

K

And I think a lot of us have now known and understood this was sort of a hiding in plain sight that was attributed often to john porter clarke.

K

Luke lisner has been working with brad dunning on the frey exhibition next year at the museum.

K

And so he's gone through almost everything in the archive and has come up with a project list where albert frey indicates which projects he was the lead designer.

K

And this is one of those designs., and so this is right. After he came back from new his 2 year, 2 years in new york.

K

It's a really interesting sort of innovative sawtooth. facade which provides ample light and cross ventilation to each unit.

K

You know, the design team. Now is really., taking a step back and weird.. You know, as in the state that it's in it's really not, I think, wouldn't qualify for class one or 2.

K

The intent is, after the restoration to come, back. to hspb and present that again with the full findings., but the owners sort of are. letting jim shiafi and his team take the lead on this and do a really finely research finely detailed and thoughtful.

K

I mean, we're doing a full pain analysis on the exterior.. Frey was really,. You know, as you.

K

Many of you are aware., color was very important to him. and so we've we have a sense of what it is,, but we wanna get an accurate representation of what phrase color palette was for this.

K

We're looking at the original landscape to bring you know, historic elements back to the site.

K

It will be a beautiful representation of pre-war fray,, which there are so few examples of in the desert.

K

I don't think I have anything else to say,, so I'm happy to answer any questions.

A

Thank you., very, very well. Done. are there of further questions of the board.

A

Okay, so, saying no additional questions.. May I have a motion: please? okay, member maroozie.

G

I just wanted to make some comments, that's all.

C

You're moving fast.

A

I do. oh,, I'm sorry., I'm moving fast, you know. okay, alright, sorry., I'm moving too fast.. I beg your pardon. so, so,, further questions, peter.

G

A

No questions, just comment. okay.. This is an extremely important project and I'm very pleased that jim chi and suzanne and stephen kelon are involved.

G

So I firmly believe that there will be no issue. related to properly restoring whatever they can and then dealing with. Whatever issues have to be reconstructed or, however, they wanna approach it.

G

But I'm very pleased that this team is taking it on and I think it's gonna turn out to be great.

A

I agree. other questions, discussions, comments? vice chair nelson.

C

Thank you,, madam chair. so, back in, march of 2014. when it properly hit the market.

C

400,000 $900,000., I didn't make staff member line aware. that the property will, attribute to, and had been published in joseph of the book.

C

Another,, where do you live to different training apartment at 1939, 1940? and then have the word all put next to it.

C

And then, back in february of this year., when I start a construction tab., I immediately contacted staff and asked what was going on.

C

And they told me just to be patient and that something would be coming. Forward. so., I'm very to feed it, and I do have one question for the applicant, which might be best answered by the architect. Mr., if not, I'd be happy to pick with someone else.

K

He is here. oh, there. He is.

A

Okay, ask your question: vice-chair nelson for, james.

C

Sure. yeah,, because this is. a for approval of major alteration.

C

And seeing that the old cool was filled in and that's the plan for a new pool., what's it going to be directly?.

C

East of where the original., even though that cool would build, 15 years or so after the property.

C

It showed on the planet plan. from, that.. Can I kick from the position of having been a bootie account manager?.

C

For 15 years and no little bit about the logistics, of., audio and equipment and noise and so forth.

C

I see that on the client plan. in the southeast corner of the property. behind the pool yeah,, it's a proposal for 3, in the very corner and then opposite that, on the other side of the pool.

C

Hey, curved wall and if dial, up,, I, no doubt. with cool equipment behind it.

C

So I'm just a little concerned coming from the place of having been. oh, call manager and lefin to.

C

That that cool equipment will be a budding.. What appeared to be one of the larger private patios.

C

Up the very last boom on the east side and just wondering if any discussion had been made, about.

C

Putting that poor equipment in the other corner, where the papa.

F

Thank you, mr. nelson., we have discussed,, excuse me, james,. We have discussed various locations for the pool, equipment.

F

And we may still. be looking at that as a possibility. We talked about even moving it to the other corner of the property where the electrical equipment is, and we may in fact be doing that.

F

What you're seeing right now is kind of a placeholder.. We do like the idea of the 3 palms only because they will.

F

Frame some of the views to the south and and give the pool something to to relate to in terms of landscape and then the we are trying to,. We did a lot of research on, on various,, my son anthony who haven't met has, lots of research on, on some of the apartments.

F

On, baristo,, I think up near bristow., worried he had an apartment project with the pool and he kind of copied that same idea..

F

From that. so., that's what we're working on again.! It's a preliminary plan.

F

But we thought it'd be nice to have the original coping around the pool and have some lawn run the pool as well, but I think the trees can enhance that as far as the equipment, the jury still out of the equipment. We're still we're a long way from finishing that,. But thank you for your.

F

Comment. we'll be sure to take a look at that.

C

Good. oh,, I appreciate your follow up on that. thank you..

C

Thank you.. Thank you.. Okay. are there, any additional questions from the board?.

A

Any other comments? if not, is there, a motion?.

A

Okay,, so the motion. eric,. Would you state your motion? Please?.

J

Yeah,, I will see my motion at the hstb, take no action and allow the processing of any additional approvals,, permits,, etc.

G

I'd be glad to. very good.. We have a second. okay, second., so motion made by rosanol and a second by peter maruse.

A

So., so now is there any, we've done a lot of discussion.. Is there any other further discussion to the motion?.

A

Any further discussion? okay. so sing, no discussion. I'll call for the question.

A

All in favor of the motion,, please say: aye.

C

A

Bye. okay, okay. any opposed? okay,. So then the motion, passes 7 to 0.. Thank you very much..

F

Thank you,, madam chair. thank you. thank you.. We look forward to this project. good luck. thank you.. Thank you. Members. good night.

A

Good night. okay. so, moving on, with no other agenda items.. Let us proceed to a board member.

A

And I'd like to begin. by requesting a study session. with all board members participating for the purpose of planning the 2,024 preservation matters symposium. Our recent april symposium was very well at attended and received in proved to be very successful and and appreciated by our community.

A

And our audience has high expectations for the next one. and we would so much appreciate the participation of each board member to help plan. The next symposium.

A

The subcommittee headed by a member of vice-chair nelson and member hansen with dick burkett, was just fabulous and did a super job.

A

We have a hard act to follow and I would like participation from the entire board working with the staff in in and planning the next one.

A

So could staff select possible dates for maybe the second week of september and and send emails to board members to establish a date to hold the study session.

A

I just have a question: are all board members going to be in town. the middle of september, or I see janet and shaking her head.

A

You have another great trip planned janet.

I

Yeah. yeah,, as of now, I'll, be gone from the eleventh through. the first week of october.

I

So I'll be here the first week of september, but not. the rest of the month.

I

okay, and, vice chair nelson.,.

C

Yeah,, I would just like to suggest that it be. and that it would be meeting if at all, possible.

C

So perhaps. at first we could september.

A

First week of september. okay. and other members, how's, the first week at the,, rosanell, you're, going off somewhere, great.

J

Yeah, we got in the first 2 weeks of september, back the sixteenth or somewhere around that.

A

Okay, alright. any other comments.

G

I'm leaving the day after the hsp meeting of september fifth., so I'm here until the 6.

G

Huh. okay. and member hair.

E

And I will be gone from the twentieth of september. so. early, is better.

I

Okay., could we possibly do the last week of august?.

A

Okay. well, the 30 first I come home on the thirtieth., we're busy.

I

Or the first, thirty- or the first.

I

first, so,, I see a city staff doesn't work, though, on fridays.

I

Right., so what's that monday? is that late? is that labor day?.

A

B

It is. labor day. yeah. and. yeah,. The fourth is labor day. yes., so I think we land on august 30, first as a possible date that may work for everyone because of possible date that may work for everyone.

B

A challenge. yeah, I know. yeah., so the 30 does the 30 first, work for everybody.

H

A

A

Yeah. yeah. yeah. okay,. Now that's wonderful.. I thought we had to do this by email. so,. So with it,, that's wonderful., so, if,. Sarah would look for a time and meeting space and let us know about that.

A

Sure. I'll go ahead and work with,, the city staff here.. I believe we do have to have that notice, and so it would be the entire board.

B

We'll work on the timing of that,, but it sounds like august, 30 first,, which is a thursday works for everyone, and are we looking at an in person meeting?.

A

Okay. yes,, I would like that.. I think it's easier. to communicate, and I prefer that for this, for a study session do others agree?.

D

A

3. agreed. yeah. okay., all right.

G

Okay., I don't care., can we can we make it an afternoon meeting perhaps?.

A

Yeah. yeah, afternoon. that'd be good.. They have something going on in the morning. yeah, good. thank you.. Vice chair nelson.

C

Yeah, thank you.. I would reflect to clarify that this is a study session that will be at least 2 h and open to the public.

C

And will we be inviting? a member from, or who will be invited.

A

So, so. sarah,. What would you suggest?.

B

I would suggest maybe, the core kind of members, who have been working on the, the, symposium,. Maybe we can reconvene and see what the objective is.

B

I think you want the entire board to be there,, but in terms of how far you want to extend that.

B

Maybe we should have an internal conversation about that beforehand., and then we can hash out the noticing and the actual timing of it.. It sounds like we're looking at an afternoon time.. I also have to look for a room.

B

So we have a lot of moving pieces here., so let's kind of get all that together and then circle back. If that's all right.

B

A

Correct. just to clarify,, we are talking about the whole board. okay. yes.

A

Thank you. yes, and it's a study, session. okay,, alright. does,. Does the board have, other comments that they would like to make?.

A

What were we gonna? Bring up? vice chair and nelson.

C

Yeah, thank you.. I know we have some new members who want to introduce themselves. so I'll make this quick.

C

Yes. in meeting with, job member you. at our last,, the topic of maintenance did come up.

C

And. I have a product be agenda. at a feature: meeting.

C

It got to be really, crucial. oh,. Many of our currently david native stocks are trappling.

C

From core maintenance and it's a bad reflection on the city and on the board and on an historic transportation, program.

C

So I think that. you know what? this issue of maintenance and figuring out how to encoded in the ordinance or whatever it is. We have to do to make sure that we have standards.

C

We can look to other cities and I know that. it beginning to look into this. That will be obviously a long process.

C

But I just wanted to reiterate how important I think this is and should probably be a part of our book. Program.

C

For this new board for this upcoming year. thank you.

A

Very good. thank you. and,. I just have a comment: about, your workload, this summer.

A

Sarah,, I know you have a lot of, catch up and a lot of work to do.

A

I know you're really swamped. and I understand that your reviewing quite a few. potential nominations and drafts, and- and so I was just kind of wondering for the next couple- months,, what are your priorities?.

B

So our priorities right now,- we do have a number of backlog, designation, applications,. In terms of august, we will be dark.

B

And so the objective is to try and get 2 to 3 of those designation applications before you in september, so that we can start to move those along..

B

I know that designation applications, typically get a little bit back burner if we have development applications that are coming forward.

B

And but we were,, we would like to get these, kind of in and out.

B

As quickly as possible, the goal is to get them done by the end of the year, but for right now, I'm looking at 2 to 3 coming before you.

B

September. and then on top of that at staff comments,, I can give you a little bit more updates on a few other things. That stuff is working on.

A

Okay, thank you. thank you.. So are there any other board comments? Before?, I invite the new board members to give a personal statement.

A

About themselves. so we're all very familiar., any other kind of business, comments?.

A

Okay, so,, so mr. hair,, how about telling us about yourself? a couple of sentences.

E

Well, good evening and thank you very much., madam chair, I,, it's a little difficult to sum. Up.

E

A career in 2 or 3 sentences,, but you should all know that I have worked, diligently in historic preservation for the last 20 years..

E

A principally at frank, lloyd, wright's, hollyhock house, in los angeles.

E

Through took that through a major restoration, to, bring it back to the state, it is in today and also, concurrently applying for unesco world heritage list, status.

E

Which we were very pleased to receive the inscription in 2019. and I look forward very much to,. Looking at some of the same issues in palm springs.

E

That I looked at as when I worked for the cultural heritage, commission and the department of cultural heritage, commission and the department of cultural affairs in law in the city of la..

E

Thank you. and it's great to be here. great, to meet all of you.

A

Thank you so much. mr. maruse. hi.

G

Hi, yeah, I'm, I've been involved in preservation for many many years.

G

Originally, in los angeles. with the la conservancy's minor committee, and I was on the board of the la conservancy.

G

And then I was the founding president of the palm strikes monitor committee back in 1999.

G

And involved in all sorts of preservation issues over the years. fewer these days., thankfully then, early on.

G

So I'm excited that I'm actually on a board that. in most cases,. I was always speaking in front of.

G

And, this time I guess I'll be sitting on this side. and that's quite used to that yet,, but I'm very excited about being here.

G

Everybody's extremely well qualified. And it's a great group.- so it should be great fun.

A

Thank you. welcome., so mr. buckman.

D

Hi everyone. I'm an architect, firm in chicago that specializes in a lot of high end residential projects.

D

So, like peter,, I've often been on the other side, pleading my case before., the landmark committee and the landmark commissions in various communities around the chicago area.

D

And it's just a like long passion to work on these historical buildings and protect them and manage them and help them live into their next..

D

Life and so I'm looking forward to doing as much as I can here with all of you.

A

Thank you. any other board comments?.

I

Just excited to have. 7 members and you all have,, just gonna, be a really great 3 years. I think for all of us.

A

I agree. thank you. so, before moving on,. Are there any other comments by the board before asking staff for comments.

A

Any other? okay, does staff have comments?.

B

We have a few, this time, yes. first off,. I also wanted to extend my welcome to,. I also wanted to extend my welcome to,, our full board.

B

I'm very grateful that we have a full board., I'm very grateful that we have a full board.. I'm very grateful that we have a full board.. I'm very grateful that we have a full board., I'm very grateful that we have a full board, and I'm excited to be working with all of you, and your guidance, throughout this process.

B

I did want to also just briefly mention thank you.. I know scott's, not here,, but scott had to resign from our board.

B

He is, participating in our board.. He is, participating in the planning commission,, but he was a great asset to the historic preservation board, as well.

B

So just a few housekeeping things. we are dark in august., so the we will not have a meeting in august.

B

However,, as I mentioned earlier,, we will be working diligently to try and queue up, 2 or 3 designation applications to bring before the hspb in september,, which means there will be some site visits.

B

So,, please don't ignore your emails or will be some emails going out asking for timing related to some site visits, so we can get those queued up.

B

So if you wanna be diligent in that and if you have any questions,, obviously I'm available to answer any questions.

B

As they come up., the second thing I wanted to talk about was elections.. I know typically, when we have new members, join,. We also do the elections.

B

It was a little bit of an abrupt change. and trying to juggle everything.

B

So we did push the elections to september., so I just wanted to let everyone know that that will be coming.

B

We will be. holding elections, for,, chair and vice-chair.. So if you wanna keep that in the back of your minds.

B

And then, also rolling into the work plan.. I know for new members that may be a new concept,, but hspb, annually develops a work plan which outlines, what they would like to focus. On, member nelson, touched on this briefly,, but it.

B

Ranges from. projects that deserve designation, that individual members have seen in the community to what they wanna focus. On, to symposium items.

B

And I think it's a great opportunity for everyone to bring their heads together to see what we can achieve.

B

We also want to be also cognizant of what we can actually achieve during that time., and I know that things do get rolled over to the next year's work plan and such..

B

But that will be coming in in september as well.. Typically, we parse it out into 2 meetings.

B

So we'll introduce ideas about the work plan and then have more discussion about it, and then it comes back again in october to finalize what the work plan will look. Like.

B

And so we'll, create some guidance on that as well., and then an update that we wanted to provide to the board is,. We did hold an open, house.

B

For, gauging the communities, temperature really to,, the las palmis business, historic district, and the revisions, that were anticipating on taking to city council related to the adjustment of the boundary lines. concerns.

B

We didn't get a massive response., the open house was held. and now I'm forgetting what date it was.

B

David,, do you remember what date that was?? It was actually a couple of weeks back,, but we only had one member, of that business group at 10.

B

So it wasn't highly attended., it was the noticing went out and everything., so we're taking that as we don't have any major concerns coming from the business district.

B

And so we'll be packaging that information and taking it before city council at the next available slot.

B

Ken lion, has been spearheading a lot of the efforts related to the open house, as well as taking that piece to city. Council.-.

B

So we'll continue to work on that,, but we did want to give you an update. about how that open house went.

J

Yes. yep. sarah,. Could we get a copy of the current work plan just so that we can kind of remember what we.

J

But we all lined up way back when. absolutely.. Thank you. So much.

A

Good idea., so then we don't have to try to search for it.. Thank you for asking that.

A

So are there any other,, any other staff comments? any other comments at all?, yes, oh,, the virtual or zoom.

I

I was just wondering if we were gonna. sh at all about going. zoom. in purchasing versus.

I

Yeah, are,: are we going to, meet in september by zoom or, in person.

B

So that. just to provide a little bit of background for our new members. post covid, city council,. Has a lot has given the authority to the boards to either conduct their meetings virtually or in person.

B

And that decision is still with the individual boards, because we have a new members.. We thought it would be appropriate to bring that up and discuss it.

B

Hspb is interested in moving towards an in person meeting format or if they would like to maintain being virtual as of right now and david can certainly clarify. City council, is continuing to make the findings to allow that authority to lie with the boards.

B

However, at the end of this year,, it is, that ordinance will sunset and we will be required to meet in person.

B

However,, if the board wishes to meet in person earlier than that,, we can certainly have that discussion.

A

So what is the desire for the september, meeting? member bachman,? Did I see your hand raised?.

D

A

Okay, so,, so should we decide, now if, we are, how we meet in september.

A

Shall we decide? so, all those in favor of continuing with the zoom in september,? Just raise your hand, soon.

A

I guess. oh,, so eric, you like zoom., I'm either way. I'll go I'll, go with the majority.

A

I'm either way. I hated going to zoom and then now I don't care.

A

Yeah. yeah. vice chair nelson,. What would you like?.

C

Yeah,, I'm fine with either way.. Whatever majority desire, I will say that one is a 7 member board,, a little easier to catch everything.

C

Oh. bye for me, particularly because of my getting off and the captioning just me every single detail. and I know if I'm far speaking at a table, with.

C

8 to 9 people including., if some time things get locked in translation,, but I'm fine for either way, cause. I do miss.

C

People and live in meetings.

C

I

Well,, I'm just thinking we're gonna have a workshop where we're all present and kind of get to know each other.. So maybe just for september, we'd go ahead and do the zoom and then take it from there..

A

Yeah,, that's a good recommendation.. I would go with that.

G

Yeah, I just,, I know from the planning commission, we just had our very first meeting live.

G

It really made a huge difference. it just at least in terms of. working with the public to have them sitting there and you know their eyes and you can it's it's less.

G

It's more informal and it is., I think, better communication,, but anyhow.

G

We're not gonna have the choice after the first year anyway, so between now and december,, I don't care.

I

Okay, yeah., it also seems like a lot of people, are super busy in september., so it might be easy. with an I towards in person meeting.. So yeah.

I

Yeah,, so it's not, yes.

A

And. madam chair,, I was just gonna, say: that. you know,, we can still,. I think we're still offering the virtual option for some board members.

H

It's just that if we meet in person,, we have to have at least a quorum of board member.

H

In person., so if, for instance, I know, member rose now is going to be away, but he still could attend virtually. We would still, hopefully still be able to accommodate that.

H

It's just, unfortunately, he won't be able to be in the room with us.

A

Well, with, jade, preferring the caption for one more meeting and with, eric, being away.

A

I would recommend that we continue with the zoom for september and then see where we are for october, november.

A

Yes. and then we'll be ready by december., so shall we continue with zoom for september? oh, wait. yes., some somewhat. okay., all right. well,. I'm happy that we. yes.. We decided that. so. thank you. thanks for bringing that up. Too.

A

So, is there anything else? anything, any further discussions or comments or questions or anything?.

A

Okay. saying no further discussion., this meeting of the historic site preservation board is adjourned.

A

To the meeting is adjourned at 7 pm. to the next meeting of tuesday, september fifth, 2,023 at 5 30 pm meeting virtually.

A

So, thanks to everyone for your participation today- and I send you best wishes for a really good, summer and we look forward to seeing you at the very end of august if, if not before.,.

A

So, thank you so much for all attending., bye, bye.

D

Thank you, all. thank youyou., bye,.