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From YouTube: Sustainability Commission | Dec 19 2022
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Palm Springs Sustainability Commission, held December 19th, 2022
A
Okay,
hi
everyone
thanks
to
the
members
of
the
public
for
joining
us
today,
as
you,
both
of
you
have
been
here
before
so
you
kind
of
know
the
the
drill
but
I'll
hand
it
over
to
commissioner
Friedman
who's
serving
as
our
interim
chair
today
kind
of
fulfilling
part
of
his
vice
chair
duties,
his
newly
elected
by
share
duties.
But
we
can
discuss
that
in
more
detail
shortly.
But,
commissioner
agreement
over
to
you,
okay,.
B
A
Yeah
commissioner
Barrett
the.
A
Commissioner
Baker
not
currently
present,
commissioner
Friedman.
Yes,.
B
B
Okay,
all
right
and
the
agenda
was
emailed
to
the
Commissioners
last
week
in
accordance
with
relevant
Brown
act
requirements,
and
would
there
be
any
comments
on
the
agenda?
Otherwise,
we
can
move
to
accept
the
agenda.
C
B
Yes,
yeah:
okay,
it's
on
the
open
meetings.
Brown,
it
is
a
brown
act,
question
and
LP
will
go
on
to
it.
So,
a
little
bit
later,
okay,.
C
B
Thank
you,
okay.
We
don't
have
there's,
commissioner
Baker.
So
let's
pause
for
a
second
to
record
him,
and
then
we
can
move
forward.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
All
right,
I
think
we've
got
commissioner
Baker
on
board.
We've
accepted
the
agenda,
welcome
and
introductions,
no
one,
no
one,
no
presentations
or
or
additional
staff.
So
this
would
now
be
the
time
for
public
comments.
This
is
the
time
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability,
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter
of
the
commission.
The
commission
values
your
comments,
but
pursuant
to
the
brown
act
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
B
Three
minutes
are
assigned
to
each
speaker
and
we
have
public
comment
Paul.
Any
public
comment
for
us
this
evening.
D
Yes,
thank
you:
Paul
Henriksen,
Palm,
Springs
upper
west
side
and
I'd
like
to
address
the
commission.
Thank
you
on
regarding
the
cities,
Turf
conversion
rebate,
matching
program
and
two
points
in
particular,
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
sustainability
draft
or
craft
proposal
to
city
council
for
additional
funding
and
also
a
second
point
that
they
that
the
commission
and
the
city
council
consider
either
removing
or
raising
the
matching
cap,
which
is
currently
at
five
thousand.
D
The
reason
behind
that
is,
it's
strongly
discouraging
HOAs
from
moving
forward
with
Turf
conversion,
I'm,
already
aware
of
several
who
are
holding
back
hoping
to
see
some
the
removal
or
the
Rays
of
the
cap,
as
well
as
additional
funding,
because
the
current
cap
would
mean
that,
if
they're
in,
if
they
need
to
use
matching
grants
they're
at
about
1600
square
feet
and
for
HOAs,
that's
a
very
small
percentage,
typically
of
the
turf
that
they're
looking
to
convert.
D
And
so
that's
a
really
important
factor
so
they're
holding
off
at
this
time
and
we'd
like
to
see
them.
Do
that
because
the
ultimate
goal,
the
primary
goal,
is
convert
as
much
Turf
to
types
of
low
to
zero
use.
Water
Landscaping
as
possible
and
HOAs
can
really
help
bring
that
about
and
to
convert
as
much
and
secondarily
to
convert
as
much
space
to
attractive
landscape
spaces,
spaces
that
do
not
resemble
dirt
or
yard
or
dirt
yards
or
Lots.
D
So
they
don't
want
to
see
DG,
which
is
a
good
thing,
so
we
don't
want
to
just
convert
to
dirt.
We
want
to
see
it
landscape
in
some
fashion,
so
tomorrow
morning,
I'm
also
going
to
be
on
the
desert
water
agencies
meeting
and
asking
them
to
also
take
some
considerations
that
will
help
encourage
HOAs
to
participate
because,
right
now
they
won't
and
that's
everything.
Thank
you
very
much.
Sorry
I
forgot
to
change
my
name
from
Go
Bananas
to
Paul
Henrickson.
Fortunately,
you
know
me.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
we'll
record
you
in
the
minutes
as
Paul
Henrickson,
okay
and
Prima
walker.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
public
comment
and
welcome
to
the
sustainability
commission
meeting?
Oh.
E
Thank
you,
David
Friedman
I've
been
on
I've,
been
on
and
off
on
the
sustainability
meetings
and
following
them
on
the
YouTube,
following
with
the
other
person
I
just
wanted
to
add
like
to
know
what
is
the
reason
behind
Swing
City,
giving
the
matching
dollars
and
because
the
ma,
the
major
thing
that
is
at
Water
Agency,
implemented
grass
removal
program
is
towards
water
conservation
and
turn
the
turf
and
the
grasslands
into
like
something
some
sustainable
way
where
we
can
conserve
water
or
useless
water
I.
As
soon
as
I
found
the
program
I.
E
Did
it
because
I'm
getting
some
financial
support
and
I
did
it
in
a
way
where
I'm
trying
to
conserve
more
water,
rather
than
putting
in
the
DG
I
just
added
like
declare
of
mulch
in
my
front
yard,
my
backyard
and
I'm
doing
the
same
thing
with
the
front
yard,
so
I
think
sustainability
commission
just
need
to
consider
how
we
can
help
the
community
to
change
their
landscape.
Yes,
they're.
Removing
the
turf
on
the
grass
and
rather
than
just
saying
anything,
does
it
related
is
fine.
E
We
can
kind
of
point
the
community
towards
saying
hey.
This
is
a
way
if
you
are
Landscaping
it
with
wildflowers
native
flowers
and
everything
you
can
just
cover
the
ground
with
mulch
or
wood
chips.
That
will
add
some
color
to
your
ad
and
at
the
same
time
conserve
more
water
or
when
it
rains,
you
know,
rather
than
the
water
just
washing
off
from
the
surface
layer.
That
mulch
is
helping
to
prevent
the
water
to
run
off
and
seeping
it
into
our
ground
water
levels.
E
That's
the
first
point,
and
the
second
point
is
just
take
portion
from
my
side
saying
that
we
are
matching
the
dollars
for
the
people
who
want
to
do
it
right
now.
Last
year
it
was
only
two
dollars
per
square
feet
or
a
couple
of
years
ago,
last
year
and
now
the
price
went
up
to
all
the
way
from
three
dollars
from
Desert
Water,
Agency,
plus
three
three
dollars
from
Palm
Springs
City,
so
which
is
a
total
of
six
dollars
at
this
point.
E
But
when
the
program
started,
most
of
the
people
got
only
two
dollars
for
square
foot.
Are
we,
anyway
addressing
the
Gap
that
four
dollars,
Gap
I,
mean
I'm,
pretty
sure
like
people
who
did
the
grass
remover
program
are
very
mindful
about
like
water
conservation
and
how
can
they
be
much
more
saving
water
and
everything?
But
it
seems
at
this
point
it's
six
dollars
per
square
feet.
Are
we
trying
to
everybody
to
convert
their
lawns
into
water
conservating
yards
or
what
is
the
point
behind
that
four
dollars?
Gap?
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I
think
those
are
all
the
members
of
the
public
that
are
logged
in
so
at
this
point
we
can
close
public
comment.
Thank
you
to
both
of
you
for
your
comments.
This
is
an
agenda
item,
so
we
will
be
discussing
it
under
old
business.
So
you'll
hear
the
thoughts
from
the
Commissioners
okay
and
over
to
you,
LP,
for
staff
comments.
A
Sure,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
keep
everything
you
know.
I
have
some
things
in
Old
business
and
some
things
here
so
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
stay
on
topic.
So
thanks
to
everyone
for
attending
today,
most
of
my
staff
comments
today
are
going
to
be
about
kind
of
the
proceedings
around
adding
new
members
to
the
commission
and
kind
of
those
processes.
A
Basically
what
we've
learned
from
the
clerk's
office
and
then
also
wanted
to
take
a
minute
to
reflect
on
the
November
climate
action
presentation
to
the
city
council,
which
was
three
weeks
ago,
and
it
feels
like
a
year
ago
so
I
had
to
pull
back
up
my
notes
because
I
was
like
what
happened
to
that
did
I
do
that
was
that
me
so,
basically
to
start
off
the!
A
So,
as
you
all
know,
our
new
city
council
was
sworn
in
on
Thursday
of
last
week,
which
is
great
new
mayor
sworn
in
et
cetera,
everybody's
kind
of
moving
and
shaking,
and
so
our
understanding
is
that
the
council
is
going
to
be
looking
to
make
new
commissioner
appointments
at
the
end
of
January.
A
So
that's
something
that
we
can
discuss
among
the
group,
especially
when
we
talk
about
the
virtual
versus
in-person
options,
but
that
was
the
recommendation
we
received
internally
is
to
kind
of
do
this
meeting
get
through
our
business
skip
January
come
back
in
February
with
kind
of
the
full
crew.
A
A
So
the
climate
presentation
to
the
city
council
went
really
well
I
thought
so,
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
your
really
helpful
feedback
when
we
presented
this
or
when
we
walked
through
the
draft
presentation
in
our
last
commission
meeting
really
helped
to
tighten
up
I
think
the
story
kind
of
give
the
good
give
good
context
and
figure
out
how
to
best
highlight
the
work
that
we
want
to
do
next
year,
in
particular,
so
very
grateful
for
that.
A
I
think
it
got
us
to
a
really
good
place
and
so
I
appreciate
all
of
your
support,
the
main
well,
we
did
have
a
sort
of
contextual,
interesting
presentation,
which
is
that
we
were
surrounded
by
very
detailed
items
and
so
I
think
we
were
perhaps
the
beneficiaries
of
people
having
been
really
really
detailed
involved
in
certain
updates
to
legislative
code.
A
That
didn't
really
have
very
much
to
do
with
sustainability
that
perhaps
took
away
some
of
the
the
detail
that
they
might
have
otherwise
turned
to
this
presentation.
So
everything
was
very
on
topic.
I,
guess
is
that's
the
the
short
way
to
say
that
we
did
get
some
interesting
comments
around
how
we're
going
to
be
continuing
to
work
with
other
City
departments.
A
There
was
a
desire
for
also
more
data
and
like
reporting
on
different
kinds
of
things,
so
there's
I'm
kind
of
thinking
about,
and
this
is
something
that
maybe
I
can
bring
like
some
ideas
to
our
next
meeting,
potentially
in
February
around
like
a
dashboard
for
certain
kinds
of
data,
I
mean
I
hate,
creating
dashboards.
A
That
then
just
are
static,
but
you
know
there's
interest
in
knowing
things
like
how
many
EVS
are
registered
in
Palm
Springs,
like
how
many
megawatts
of
solar
are
generated
within
the
Coachella
Valley,
like
you
know,
those
kind
of
more
bread
and
butter
sustainability
numbers,
many
of
which
are
knowable,
some
of
which
are
not
easily
knowable,
but
many
of
which
are
so.
We
got
some
interest
in
kind
of
showing
our
progress
in
different
ways.
A
We
got
also
some
interest
in
kind
of
like
multi-stakeholder
work,
so
particularly
around
Transportation,
so
mayor
Garner
mentioned
interest
in
standing
up,
some
sort
of
like
City,
public
collaboration
or
in
transportation,
which
I
know
commissioner
Torrens.
Maybe
you
and
I
should
touch
touch
base
on
on
that,
because
I
think
that
dovetails
nicely
with
the
work
that
you've
been
thinking
about
with
Mobility
kind
of
Outreach.
A
They
were
happy
to
hear
our
focus
on
data
and
gathering
information
before
we
do
new
things
so
that
that
was
good
as
opposed
to
kind
of
just
like
you
should
do
this
tomorrow,
so
that
was
very
helpful
and
I
think
they're
kind
of
just
in
a
position
where
they're
looking
forward
to
supporting
our
continued
work.
We
did
the
one
area
of
confusion
which,
or
was
you
know
by
when
are
we
supposed
to
have
reached
carbon
neutrality
and
according
to
whom?
A
So
that's
something
that
we'll
have
to
kind
of
verify
a
little
bit?
You
know
what
was
the
final
commitment
in
terms
of
carbon
neutral
by
2030
versus
the
state's
goals
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
just
figuring
out
making
sure
our
strategies-
and
things
are
on
point
for
that.
But
that's
pretty
much
all
I
have
on
those
items
but
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
provide
any
additional
information.
B
C
I
was
muted,
I
do
know
of
at
least
two
people
who
are
interested
in
becoming
Commissioners
I'm,
not
sure
if
they've
applied
is
the
it
should
I
should
I
go
ahead,
should
I
go
ahead
and
encourage
them
to
apply.
A
I
would
say
if
there
is
anyone
who
you
know
of
who
is
interested
in
being
a
commissioner.
They
should
definitely
the
window.
I
believe
is
still
open
for
that,
because
I,
don't
believe
they've
started
reviewing
applications,
so
I
would
encourage
them
to
go
ahead
and
get
applications
in
the
last
I
heard
we
had
Anita
was
it
three
did
Monique
tell
us
how
many
applications
we
had
I
know
it
was
at
least
three
I,
don't
recall,
but
three
sounds
right
yeah,
so
we
do
have
some
people
in
the
pipeline.
A
But
yes,
definitely,
if
you
all
know
anybody
who
is
interested
in
joining
the
commission,
they
do
have
time
to
still
fill
out
those
applications.
Okay,.
B
No
comments.
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would
just
add
LP
as
a
follow-up,
because
it
was
brought
up
at
the
at
the
at
your
Council
presentation
that
I'll
be
in
touch
with
you,
the
beginning
of
the
year.
So
we
can
move
forward
on
the
various
code.
Proposals
I
think
the
one
we
can
probably
move
forward.
A
little
quicker
would
be
the
Cannabis
proposal.
So
let's
touch
base
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
on
that
on
the
other
matter,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
still
waiting
for
the
updated
cost.
A
Definitely
I
prepped
planning
last
week
when
we
spoke
at
the
end
of
the
week,
so
they
should
they're
ready
as
well.
B
Okay,
great
all
right,
that's
fine!
Okay,
all
right
I
think
we
can
finish
up
on
staff
comments
then,
and
move
to
approval
of
the
minute.
So
there
is,
there
are
three
separate
minutes
for
the
last
three
meetings.
We
can
take
care
of
them
all
at
the
same
time,
unless
anyone
has
any
specific
comments
on
any
of
the
the
minutes
and
thank
you
Anita
for
bringing
us
up
to
speed
on
those,
and
thank
you
also
for
for
integrating
a
couple
of
comments
that
I
made
on
those
so
I'll
entertain.
F
B
B
Fine
all
right,
all
in
favor
of
approving
three
minutes:
September
20th,
October,
18th
and
November
15th.
All.
B
Right
all
right,
so
they
are
unanimously
approved
all
right
LP.
You
wanna
deal
with
the
other
issue
and
then
I'll
speak
after
that
next
issue.
On.
A
The
agenda
Church
absolutely
so,
as
you
all
received,
so
we
as
you'll
see
in
the
old
business.
We
will
be
accepting
the
resignation
of
commissioner
Randy
Evans,
who
was
our
freshly
elected
chair
of
our
commission.
A
So
I
think,
thanks
to
some
some
fast-moving
developments
that
sound
very
exciting
in
his
world.
He
is
now
no
longer
a
Palm
Springs
resident
we're
doing
some
categorically
ineligible
to
be
our
chair.
A
So
we
are
in
a
bit
of
pickle,
as
David
mentioned
when
we
spoke
about
this
earlier
today,
we're
in
uncharted
waters,
and
so
we
basically
are
in
a
situation
where,
because
we
will
have
the
new
commissioner
appointments
coming
in
January,
we'll
have
kind
of
like
a
different,
we'll
we'll
have
to
do
this
effectively
again
in
February,
because
our
dear
commissioner
Friedman
will
probably
be
termed
out
at
that
point
and
will
no
longer
be
able
to
to
serve
as
our
fearless
leader.
A
However,
in
the
interim
he
can
still
do
that
in
an
interim
role.
However,
we
would
then
need
an
interim
Vice
chair
should,
for
instance,
commissioner
Friedman
be
pulled
to
some
very
important
cpuc,
proceeding
and
or
someone
or
for
some
reason
otherwise
be
unable
to
join
us
at
an
important
opportunity.
So
so
we
need
to
do
elections
again
and
basically
kind
of
for
this,
almost
like
caretaker
period,
I
guess
before
we
sort
of
revisit
either
in
February
or
in
March.
You
know
if
we
decide,
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
A
You
know
the
first
day
that
we
have
a
bunch
of
new
people.
You
know
we
can
kind
of
cross
that
bridge
when
we
get
to
it,
assuming
that
the
appointments
happen
on
time
in
January,
but
so
we
do
need
to
to
do
an
election
again.
So
that's
the
context,
commissioner
Friedman
was
or
sorry
chair,
Friedman
was
there
anything
I
left
out.
B
That
that's
it
I
I
think,
but
this
is
all
up
to
you:
I'd
be
willing
to
serve
as
chair,
but
once
again
for
the
very
short
interim
period,
and
it's
mostly
to
assist
LP
and
kind
of
the
administrative
reviewing
minutes,
helping
to
set
the
agenda
Etc
for
so
long
as
I'm
still
on
the
commission,
with
the
understanding
that
my
time
will
at
some
point
the
meter
will
at
some
point,
probably
in
the
next
couple
months
or
two
run
out,
but
in
the
meantime,
subject
to
your
approval.
B
We'd
be
all
willing
to
serve
as
chair
for
that
interim
period.
But
as
LP
mentioned,
we
really
should
have
a
vice
chair
who's
on
board,
for
if
I
get
pulled
out,
which
probably
may
not
happen
because
I'm
pretty
good
at
managing
my
time.
But,
more
importantly,
if
I
I'm
thrown
out
because.
B
So
this
well
may
be
my
last
last
or
next
to
last
commission
meeting,
but
just
because
the
municipal
code
says
that
we
should
have
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair
and
there's
no
particular
procedure
for
interim
chair
or
interim
Vice,
chair
being
the
stickler
for
musical
code,
that
you
all
know
that
I
am
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
to
get
just
get
an
election
down
on
the
books.
For,
however
long
that
may
last,
and
it
may
not
be
much
longer
than
the
last
election
a
month.
F
B
So
it
sounds
like
we
would
have
a
slate
and
maybe
LP
we
can
just
do
that
together.
So
though,
so
the
sort
of
move
things
along.
So
the
Slate.
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
Baker,
so
the
Slate
would
be
I
would
serve
as
interim
chair
and
commissioner
Baker
would
become
the
vice
chair
and
potentially
the
chair,
if
I
am
sort
of
told
that
the
meter
is
is
run
out.
B
So
that
sounds
like
a
could
probably
get
a
motion
forever
that
just
to
make
a
formal
motion
when
we
want
to
make
a
great
commissioner
so
so
moved
by
me.
Okay,
all
right,
and
then,
commissioner
Baker,
you
want
to
make
a
second
okay,
all
right.
So
that's
the
Slate
motion
and
second,
okay,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
F
B
All
right
and
thank
you
now
Vice
chair
Baker,
and
we
have
a
plate
for
at
least
the
next
couple
of
months
and
we'll
see
what
happens
with
a
commission
commissioner
appointments
then,
okay,
that
being
done
over
You
Back
To,
You
LP
for
old
business.
A
Great
okay
thanks:
everyone
appreciate
us
now
we're
not
getting
really
good
at
this
election
thing
I
feel
like
we
should
just
do
this
every
month,
just
to
like
keep
it
fresh
like
super
fun.
Okay,
so
we
have
four
items
in
the
old
business
here,
some
of
which
probably
will
take
longer
to
talk
through
than
others
biking.
Slash,
Mobility,
study,
update,
Turf
conversion,
update,
so
I
know.
We
have
some
interest
from
the
public
here
as
well
on
that
so
I'll
talk
through
kind
of
how
it's
been
going.
A
Implementation
of
SB
1383,
just
kind
of
where
we're
at
and
where
we're
going
and
then
I.
Think
more
is
a
formal
item.
The
acceptance
of
the
resignation
of
commissioner
Evans,
so
I'm
gonna
go
in
order,
but
we
can
jump
around
whenever
people
want
so
biking.
Slash
Mobility
study,
update
I'm,
commissioner
torens,
so
now
that
we
have
our
all
of
our
minutes
approved.
So
we
have
staff
capacity
now
to
kind
of
go
through
and
do
some
more
reporting
out
on
the
conversations
that
have
happened
over
the
past
year.
A
I
would
be
benefited
I
think,
probably
from
some
time
for
either
you
and
I
or
you
and
me,
and
Anita,
to
kind
of
touch
base
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
kind
of
of
who
does
what
on
this,
so
I
can
set
everybody
up
with
the
different
supporting
City
pieces
around
like
survey
infrastructure.
Things
like
that,
we're
also
going
to
be
joined
and
on
a
very
part-time
basis
by
some
high
school
interns
from
Cathedral
City
High
School,
who
are
able
particularly
to
help
with
public
Outreach
work.
A
So
they'll
be
like
hanging
out
with
me
at
the
farmer's
market,
but
they
would
be
really
great.
I
think
assets,
people
love
telling
teens
what
they
think
about
stuff,
so
I
think
some
potentially
helpful
assets,
as
we
kind
of
try
to
do
some
of
that
surveying,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
from
my
perspective.
I
think
I
want
to
just
make
sure
we
know
our
strategy
and
then
we
can
build
tools
based
on
kind
of
making
sure
we're
all
aligned
on
the
strategy.
A
A
But
since
it's
kind
of
just
me,
I
can
only
really
do
one
Saturday
per
month
because
it's
a
really
early
Saturday,
but
if
anybody
you
know
feel
free,
obviously
to
stop
by
if
you're
there
or
if
anybody
wants
to
you
know,
come
talk
about
anything
with
residents
on
a
particular
Saturday.
Just
let
me
know,
but
yes,
I
am
there
first
Saturday
of
every
month,
which
next
month
is
actually
like,
the
sixth?
It's
not
it's,
not
New.
A
Year's
weekend,
it's
the
one
after
it's
like
two
weeks
from
now,
roughly
okay,
so
the
moment
we've
all
been
waiting
for
it.
Oh
sorry,
go
ahead!
Number.
A
You
yes,
I
was
like
I'll
remember
when
it
gets
closer.
Yes,
January
7th
is
the
next
day
we'll
be
there
normally
we'd
hand
out
bags,
I'm
also
going
to
be
bringing
some
SB
1383
related
things
to
the
next
farmer's
market,
which
I'll
talk
about
when
we
get
to
item
three
so
term
conversion.
So
the
program
has
been
extremely
popular,
which
we
all
knew
it
would
be.
A
They
received
31
applications
for
single
family
home
funding
by
2
pm
on
the
first
day
that
applications
were
officially
open.
That
does
not
include
the
people
who
applied
kind
of
a
little
bit
too
early,
because
we've
opened
applications
on
December,
1st
kind
of
both
to
give
people
time
to
get
their
applications
in
order
and
then
also
to
give
the
dwa
time
to
like
get
the
get
their
business
set
up,
and
so,
just
from
you
know,
the
funding
was
basically
expended
by
roughly
5
p.m.
A
On
the
first
day
for
single
family,
it
was
extremely
popular.
They
got
more
applications
on
the
first
day
than
they've,
gotten
I,
think
in
the
three
previous
months
combined.
So
that
was
a
pretty
big
Testament
I.
Think
to
this
the
effectiveness
of
that
matching
funding.
A
The
HOAs,
as
you
heard
from
public
comment,
have
been
a
little
bit
slower,
but
I
think
we
are
probably
as
of
this
week,
based
on
the
rate
at
which
applications
are
coming
in
going
to
be
fully
subscribed.
Because
of
that
matching
cap
we
are
seeing
a
lower
number,
though
we
are
seeing
a
mix
of
projects
that
are
larger
than
the
Catholic,
so
they're
coming
in
anyway,
and
just
getting
the
full
match
for
that.
A
You
know
1600
square
foot
first
portion
and
then,
after
that,
getting
the
regular
dwa
three
dollar
match
or
we're
seeing
Ho's
come
in
with
targeted
small
projects,
so
we're
kind
of
seeing
a
mix
of
both,
and
then
we
also
have,
as
you
may
remember,
from
the
council
meeting
our
targeted
low
income
program,
which
is
a
relatively
restrictive
first
attempt
at
a
low
income
program
here,
which
means
you
have
to
be
part
of
dwa's
bill
assistance
program
and
live
in
state
designated
disadvantaged
communities
which
is
designated
by
a
combination
of
income
and
environmental
factors.
A
So
we
don't
have
too
many
applications
from
that
pool.
Yet
so
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
direct
mailing
to
some
people.
A
Who've
worked
with
with
various
City
programs
like
our
home
repair
assistance
grant,
so
we're
going
to
be
targeting
some
of
those
customers,
but
we
also
think
that's
something
we
want
to
revisit
in
the
future
program
design
around
upfront
costs,
because,
especially
if
for
low-income
customers,
they
may
not
be
able
to
take
on
The
Upfront
cost,
even
if
they're,
basically
getting
a
full
rebate
back
depending
on
you
know
what
they
choose
to
do
so
looking
at
that
for
sort
of
the
next
version
of
the
program.
A
So
there's
kind
of
two
things
that
well
there's
like
one
thing
that
we
are
doing
and
then
one
thing
we've
been
asked
to
do
that
we
will
probably
do
so.
We
did
get
a
request
from
dwa
to
see
if
we
can
get
more
funding
allocated
in
the
short
term
to
try
to
take
advantage
of
all
of
the
interests
that
we've
had.
Basically,
the
queue
of
applicants
that
we
have
in
the
pool
of
people
who've
continued
to
apply,
even
though
we
may
not
have
funding
to
cover
them.
A
So
suggestions
internally
have
been
that
we
go
back
to
the
city
council
in
January
and
make
a
request
for
another
250
000.
There
is
funding
that
the
accounts
allocated
last
year
in
the
budget
for
climate
and
environmental
programs
in
the
general
fund,
which
is
outside
of
our
existing
budget.
So
I
know
when
we
first
reviewed
this
proposal,
we
were
looking
at
150
000.
We
had
found
from
basically
unallocated
funding
within
development
services.
A
There
is
additional
funding
that
we
learned
about
at
the
council
meeting
that
can
theoretically
be
applied
to
this.
So
our
proposal
is
going
to
be
that
we
take
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
that
and
add
it
into
this
program.
So
we
can
get
more.
Customers
served
with
probably
a
slightly
different
balance,
because
we
are
not
planning
to
recommend
at
this
point
that
we
change
the
HOA
cap
in
this
version
of
the
program
for
consistency's
sake,
because
we
don't
want
to
get
into
a
situation
where
somebody's
like.
A
Oh,
if
I'd
waited
two
weeks,
I
could
have
gotten
this
much
more
money.
Dwa
is
really
reticent
to
go
backwards
because
that
kind
of
opens
a
whole
can
of
worms.
So
we
are
hoping
to
address
the
cap
and
different
methods
of
supporting
low-income
customers
in
sort
of
like
a
program
2.0
design
that
we
would
submit
for
fiscal
year.
2024,
which
is
coming
up
like
those
budget
requests,
are
going
to
start
being
due
in
February
and
March.
A
So
that's
something
I
would
like
to
cover
with
the
commission
at
the
February
meeting
it's
just
kind
of
like
okay,
so
we
learned
from
the
first
thing:
how
are
we
going
to
do
it
again?
A
So
basically
long
story
short
trying
to
see
if
we
can
get
a
little
bit
more
funding
to
help
us
extend
what
we're
doing
currently
kind
of
current
state
just
see
if
we
can
go
a
little
farther
and
then
hoping
to
address
some
of
the
things
that
we've
learned
in
this
program
in
that
next
version,
and
hopefully
going
in
for
a
larger
fiscal
ask.
So
we
can
continue
to
take
advantage
of
the
momentum.
I
think
we
have
of
while
we're
still
in
the
drought,
so
I'm
sure
there
are
questions.
I
will
pause.
B
Commissioner,
Vice
chair
Baker
any
any
questions,
comments.
Okay,
commissioner,
Barrett,
okay,
I
would
just
say:
Obviously
more
money
is
better,
and
sooner
is
also
better.
So
to
the
extent
that
I
do
recall
the
discussion
at
last
year's
last
fiscal
years,
probably
earlier
this
year
last
fiscal
year
or
discussions
for
this
current
fiscal
year,
where
council
did
allocate
I
believe
that
was
a
request
from
then
council
member
Coors
to
have
that
a
million
dollars.
B
There
are
other
things
that
we
could
be
doing
with
it,
but
this
program
is
up
and
running,
so
this
would
be,
and
then
we
clearly
see
that
there
is
a
large
demand
and,
as
I
will
discuss
it
the
what
our
conservation
a
big
round
problem.
So
this
is
probably
among
the
most
effective
ways
that
we
can
spend
the
money
and
it
will
go
out
the
door
basically
immediately.
So
we
would
have
a
direct
impact.
I
believe
the
cap
is
appropriate
for
the
simple
reason
to
address
public
comment.
B
B
Even
you
know
with
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
was
only
20
HOAs
and
there's
a
lot
of
HOAs
in
the
city,
so
that
will
keep
that
probably
for
the
current
fiscal
year
and
then
look
at
with
an
additional
funds
to
revisit
it.
But
I
think
that's
the
would
agree
that
that's
the
best
approach
to
take
just
drop
more
money
into
the
currently
designed
program.
B
But
so
LP
do
you
need
anything
from
us
or
is
that
sufficient,
a
direction
to
sort
of
move
forward
with
Council
I?
Don't
think
this
is
sort
of
a
sense
of
the
meeting?
Don't
I,
don't
believe
you
need
a
formal
vote,
I
believe
when
we
did
vote
last
time
that
we
clearly
said
any
money
that
can
be
dropped.
You
know
brought
to
the
program
is
something
the
commission
clearly
supports.
So
I
think
you
probably
have
what
you
need
from
our
previous
discussions
say.
A
Yep
I
think
I'm
I'm
good
on
that
front.
I
also
I
realized
I
did
not
address
one
portion
of
Ms
Walker's
public
comment
in
which
is
how
are
we
looking
at
people
who
had
already
participated
in
the
program?
So
this
is
actually
the
question
that
I
get
the
most
from
members
of
the
public
is
either
you
know.
I
did
my
conversion
in
October
I
did
my
conversion
last
year,
sort
of
you
know,
I
I
was
an
early
adopter.
A
Is
there
any
way
to
kind
of
reward
me
at
this
point?
I
think
that's
a
that
is
a
challenging
position
to
be
in
I.
Understand
the
frustration,
because
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
timing.
Game
I
think
our
stated
goal
when
we
adopted
the
new
program
was
to
incentivize
new
projects.
That
would
not
have
happened
and
so
I'm
very
open
to
ideas.
A
If
there
are
any
other
ways
that
we
can
try
to
support
projects
that
have
already
happened,
if
there's
learnings,
we
can
gather
from
them,
but
I
think
extending
the
funding
retroactively
would
kind
of
go
against
our
stated
intent
of
wanting
to
get
these
new
projects
off
the
ground,
because
we
just
have
such
a
a
limited
amount
of
funding.
I
mean
we
can
basically
support
like
20
to
30
projects,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we've
been
I
would
say
that
resonates
differently
with
different
members
of
the
public.
A
You
know
I
think
some
people
will
kind
of
are
like
yeah,
okay,
I
get
it.
Others
are
not
totally
satisfied,
but
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
this
program
a
little
bit
and
hoping
to
be
able
to
continue
to
support
people
if
they
want
to
make
Future
Energy
Efficiency
changes
or
environmental
impact
changes.
Hopefully,
they'll
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
future
programs
that
we
have,
even
if
they
weren't
able
to
benefit
from
this
one.
C
Yes,
I
I
I
agree
with
the
position
LP
is
taking
on
this
I
think
that
if
we
are
to
consider
retroactive
funding,
that's
a
different
topic
that
we
would
actually
need
to
take
back
to
council.
Okay,
my
impression
from
our
meeting
with
Council
was
this
is
this
is
for
new
projects
and
and
and
it's
a
broader
question
about
how
to
how
to
how
to
reward
people
who
who
are
early
starters.
B
Yeah
I
mean
that's
traditional
for
for
programs
is
that
they
go
into
effect
and
they
go.
You
know
it
is
what
it
is
and,
for
example,
I'll
talk
about
heat
pumps
and
I
may
not
be
income
eligible,
but
I
got
a
heat
pump
in
June
and
then
the
inflation
reduction
Act
passed
in
general
in
in
August,
and
so
if
I
were
being
income
eligible
I
would
have
sort
of
lost
out
on
that.
B
So
just
the
way
programs
are
tend
to
be
tend
to
be
designed
and
Council
can
potentially
revisit
that,
but
with
a
limited
amount
of
funds,
it's
best
just
to
sort
of
take
this
on
a
perspective
as
opposed
to
a
retroactive
basis
and
I.
Think
that's
where
council
is
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that
comment,
commissioner.
Barron.
G
Bad
okay,
yeah
yeah
I.
Just
then
what
I
would
just
add
is
that
I
think
the
messaging
is
sort
of
from
my
perspective
that,
with
the
the
course
correction,
it's
not
about
Equity,
because
I
think
some
people
are
feeling
like.
Oh,
this
is
inequitable,
but
this
is
about
incentivizing
projects
that
weren't
happening
otherwise,
and
so
that's
why,
like
I,
think
it's
just
important
to
maintain
that
messaging,
that
we're
not
trying
to
not
say
that
we
aren't
thrilled
that
many
community
members
already
saw
the
need
to
convert
their
turf
and
that
I
realized.
G
B
B
We
wish
there
were
money
to
sort
of
do
a
look
back,
but
once
again
this
is
a
very
popular
program,
so
I
think
it's
an
allocation.
Okay,
I
think
if
there
are
no
further
comments
on
at
least
for
today
on
Turf
conversion,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
continued
topic
and
future
commissions,
we
can
move
to
another
fun
topic:
SP,
1383,.
A
Yes,
another
popular
topic
with
members
of
the
public.
Thanks
Paul
appreciate
you
joining,
so
we
are
kind
of
three
months
in
roughly
in
terms
of
you
know:
kind
of
post,
residential
Organics
going
live,
we're
at
roughly
20
25
participation
rate,
which
is
not
that
bad
considering
it's
definitely
higher
than
New
York
City
I
forgot,
so
we're
we're
counting
our
we're
counting
our
you
know,
eggs
in
the
basket
or
whatever
metaphor
I'm.
Looking
for
that
I'm
not
getting.
A
Are,
however,
going
to
be
doing
more
Outreach
focused,
particularly
on
multi-family
next
year,
we're
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
more
Outreach
in
general,
because
I
think
there's.
The
dust
has
now
settled
the
kind
of
General
confusion
people
had
about
like
why
do
I
have
a
bin
has
kind
of
settled
out
and
I
think
people
are
coming
to
us
with
more
questions
and
more
of
a
like
an
action
orientation
as
opposed
to
I.
Think
what
we
were
hearing
from
a
lot
of
people
initially
was
a
lot
of
frustration.
A
So
there's
there's
one
tactical
fix
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on
that
I'll
bring
back
to
this
commission
when
we're
ready
to
actually
do
it,
which
is
changing
the
zoning
codes
and
planning
related
documents
around
size
required
for
receptacles,
because,
right
now
our
codes
are
sized
for
two
receptacles,
and
now
everybody
has
three.
So
this
is
something
we've
actually
gotten.
Some
questions
about,
like
you
know,
is
Code
Enforcement
going
to
be
going
out
and
giving
people
a
ticket
because
they
can't
fit
this
new
bin
in
their
enclosure.
A
That
was
designed
for
two
bins,
so
we
are
looking
at
that
particular
tactical
issue,
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
penalizing
people
for
adopting
something
that
we
want
them
to
adopt,
just
because
they
don't
have
the
physical
space.
We
are
also
looking
at
different
sizes
of
containers,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
really
struggling
with
the
large
container
I
know.
Even
my
you
know
my
nine
unit
complex.
A
We
have
one
of
the
like
60
gallon
ones
and
like
we're,
never
going
to
fill
that
thing
and
that's
for
nine
different
units
kind
of
working
into
one
bid.
We've
been
working
a
lot
with
different
neighborhoods
condos
HOAs
people
who
live
close
together
around
sharing
bins,
so
that's
actually
been
pretty
productive.
Usually
people
have
or
people
seem
to
be
working
out,
good
ways
to
centrally
locate
a
bin
or
have
one
neighbor
who's
kind
of
responsible
for
sponsoring
the
bin
and
everybody's
kind
of
using
that
one.
A
A
Where
this
is
going,
the
bags
question,
which
I
think
is
still
pretty
confusing
for
most
people,
but
now
that
compostable
plastic
bags
are
more
available.
We
are
being
more
explicit
in
our
messaging
about
our
preference
for
compostable
plastic
bags,
as
opposed
to
non-compostable
plastic,
because
the
main
reason
that
we
have
the
bags
is
to
keep
the
bins
clean.
A
A
You
know
keep
some
of
those
issues
down
the
secondary
reason
why
we
were
asking
people
to
bag
things
well,
actually,
no,
the
secondary
reason
is
to
separate
yard
and
food
waste,
because
they're
processed
totally
differently,
because
you're
always
as
dry
food
waste,
is
wet
not
and
not
like
100
of
the
time,
but
as
a
general
rule,
so
they're
processed
differently
at
the
Compost
Facility,
just
because
of
the
moisture
content.
So
being
able
to
separate
those
out
is
pretty
important.
A
We
also
ask
for
the
bags
because
it
makes
it
easier
for
us
to
do
our
state
mandated
audits,
so
those
have
already
started.
Lid
flips
basically
are
happening.
People
are
looking
in
to
kind
of
see
you
know.
Are
there
tires
in
the
compost
bin,
like
that
kind
of
stuff,
they're
educational
audits
for
the
first
year?
A
Fines
don't
even
come
into
the
possible
picture
until
like
October
of
2024.,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
time
for
people
to
kind
of
learn
their
way
around
this
in
the
residential
space
in
particular,
and
so
the
clear
plastic
bags
we
kind
of
started
to
back
away
from
just
because
we
were
having
it's
kind
of
like
a
hard
intellectual
case
to
make
right
like
it's,
not
you,
you
get
a
lot
of
the
like,
but
that's
not
compostable
you're,
just
making
more
trash.
A
So
we
are
encouraging
people
to
use
compostable
bags
forever
possible.
If
those
aren't
available
then
reuse,
the
plastic
bag,
you
already
have
like
a
produce
bag
or
some
other.
You
know,
plastic
thingy
that
you
would
have
thrown
away
anyway,
with
clear
plastic
bags.
Is
kind
of
like
still
good
but
less
good
than
something
compostable,
so
we're
going
to
be
working
on
being
really
clear
with
that
messaging
starting
next
year.
I
know
this
commission
has
been
really
helpful
to
us
in
terms
of
figuring
out
where
to
put
some
of
that
effort.
A
I
know,
we've
been
not
quite
as
on
it
as
I.
Think
I
would
have
liked
to
have
been
for
a
variety
of
different
reasons.
Many
wishes
commission
is
familiar
with,
but
really
hoping
to
hit
that
now
that
people
are
more
familiar
with
the
program
and
the
infrastructure
next
year.
Hopefully
we'll
have
a
slightly
warmer
landing
spot
for
some
of
that
Outreach.
A
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
on
that
part
of
SB
1383,
also
next
year,
I'm
going
to
be
thinking
about
mulch
a
lot,
but
that's
a
next
year
me
problem.
Not
a
today
me
problem.
B
Okay
or
they're
moved
over
okay
Corners
there.
Thank
you.
G
G
Don't
even
remember
this
coming
up
and
if
it
had
in
any
of
our
scour
meetings
was
that
if
you
already
subscribed
to
a
yard
waste
bin,
you
weren't
getting
a
new
bid
and
I
think
that
so
to
me
like,
when
I
was
doing
Outreach
with
people
in
the
community
in
tuckowitz,
River
Estates,
which
I
where
I
live.
Everyone's
like
no
I
haven't
got
my
new
bin.
G
So
maybe
I
just
sort
of
suffered
from
being
part
of
the
dialogue
for
far
too
long
and
I
wasn't
keeping
up
with
all
the
twists
and
turns
and
didn't
get
the
overall,
like
you
know
fact
sheet
at
the
end.
So
that's
just
a
message
to
us
to
kind
of
bring
those
along
that
if
they
already
had
a
yard,
waistband
they're,
not
getting
a
new
bin
that
they
can
start
using
this
bin,
because
I
was
surprised
so.
A
You're,
definitely
not
the
only
person
who
has
had
that
question
so
again,
that's
something
we'll
make
sure
to
continue
to
underline
it's
like
you
know
this
bin
is
where
the
green,
you
know
the
plant-based
things
and
other
foodie
type
of
things.
The
nature
stuff
goes
into
this
bin
right.
G
G
I
think
our
partners
at
Palm,
Springs,
Waste
Disposal,
could
also
be
a
partner
because
their
website
says
nothing
about
it
if
you
were
to
go
to
their
website.
G
It
all
talks
about
this
green,
this
new
green
bin,
and
so
it
wasn't
until
I
called
them
to
learn
that
they're,
like
actually
they're,
like
what
kind
of
Bin
do
you
currently
have
and
I
said,
I
have
a
Brown,
Band
and
they're
like
well,
then
you're
already
subscribed
and
I'm
like,
but
you
don't
say
anything
on
your
website
about
this,
so
not
just
from
our
point
of
view
of
being
ambassadors
for
the
program
and
celebrating
what
it's
doing
for
the
community.
We
also
have
a
disposal
service
that
doesn't
also
have
complementary
communication,
yeah.
A
That's
that's
a
great
point
and
I
appreciate
you
plugging
that
there's
there's
like
a-
and
this
is
where
I
think
maybe
you're
you
were
along
for
the
ride
for
World
State
as
part
of
SB
1383
is
requiring
standardization
of
Bin
colors
for
different
things,
so
there's
I'm
actually
going
to
have
to
go
back
and
check
just
to
make
sure
there's
not
some
sort
of
future
swap
that
needs
to
come
to
make
sure
we're
compliant
with
bin
color
standardization
I'm,
not
I,
haven't
memorized.
A
That
section
yet
so
couldn't
tell
you
which
color
is
the
right
one,
but
that
I
wonder
if
that
has
something
to
do
with
some
of
the
confusion,
slash
hesitation,
because
they're
all
supposed
to
be
one
color
right.
A
G
If
I
did
something
they
weren't
even
going
to
be
green
and
so
they're,
like
so
and
I
thought
that
was
odd,
yeah
because
like
well,
we
already
have
a
black
and
we
have
a
brown,
and
it's
like
why
not
green
they're
like
we
chose
orange
and
I
was
like
that,
doesn't
make
sense.
I
could
be
making
that
up,
but
like.
A
G
Been
a
wild
ride,
so
I'm
delighted
to
hear
that,
ultimately,
the
the
the
focus
would
be
on
a
green
bin,
but
anyway,
thanks
for
letting
me
make
my
comment.
C
Okay,
my
my
comment
is
actually
a
a
continuation
of
Jake's
in
a
different
direction,
but
I
will
say
just
just
for
Jake,
because
I
live
in
a
multi-family
and
don't
have
my
own
Den
I
was
losing
track
of
all
those
discussions
of
Ben
colors
and
what
bins
you
were
getting
and
everything
else.
So
it
was
a
hard
conversation
to
follow
my.
C
Is
these
are
things
we
could
be
doing
in
scour,
but
but
here's
here's
fine
for
it
also
mine
is
is,
is
you
know,
I'm
not
separating
because
I
don't
know
anything
about
it
and
what
I
think
that
that
might
be
interesting?
I
would
actually
like
to
just
start
separating
and
I
need
to
do
that.
C
I
need
to
get
the
compressible
bags
and
just
start
doing
it,
but
I
need
some
place
to
drop
it
off
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
maybe
I
mean
there
may
be
others
out
there
who
live
in
spaces
where
the
management
of
your
park
or
the
management
of
your
HOA
is
not
cooperating
very
well
or
it's
awkward.
So
if,
if
people
want
to
do
it,
if
there's
a
way
to
do
it,
if
they
want
to
do
it,
I
mean
I
was
encouraged.
C
What
I
think
it
was
You
LP
were
saying
that
that
some
HOAs
are
working
with
other
HOAs
to
to
make
it
easier.
So
the
same
sort
of
thing:
if
there
is
some
way
for
those
of
us
who
want
to
do
it
and
are
our
our
residential
management,
isn't
helping
if
there
was
a
way
for
us
to
just
do
it
yeah.
A
C
E
A
Pretty
late
to
my
house,
but
I
know
I'm
just
saying
there
should
be,
but
I
know
that
means
there.
It
doesn't
mean
there
is,
but
everywhere
so
when
we,
when
we
received
our
bin,
we
didn't
get
any
of
the
pamphlets
or
any
notification
and
we
got
them
in
like
October
or
like
like
November
20th
or
some
random
day
and
so
I
like
told
my
neighbors
about
it.
A
But
like
my
comp,
my
management
company
did
not
tell
us
anything
like
that's,
not
going
to
be
happening
from
my
particular
property
management
company,
which
is
fine,
but
so
that's
also
part
of
the
reason
why
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
good
focus
on
multi-family,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
just
aren't
getting
any
information,
but
also
I,
think
to
people
who
already
had
the
yardway
spins,
because
theoretically
The
Way
We
Were
conveying
information
was
with
pamphlets
that
arrived
with
the
new
bin.
A
But
if
you
were
not
a
recipient
of
a
new
bin,
whether
you
don't
have
your
own
bin
or
you
you
already
have
been.
You
didn't
get
that
information.
A
So
those
two
buckets
of
people
are
among
the
buckets
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
talking
to
with
regards
to
how
can
people
participate
if
they
don't
have
easy
access
to
it
or
their
companies
not
supporting
it
so
actually,
through
the
city's
grants
and
sponsorships
program,
as
part
of
like
through
the
that
the
city
council
funds
and
through
the
discretionary
funding
and
stuff
desert
compost,
which
is
the
community
composting
organization,
did
receive
some
funding
this
year?
A
So
they're
I
don't
want
to
spill
the
beans
on
any
plans
that
they
have
because
I
know
Ms
Walker
is
a
member
of
desert
compost
as
well,
so
I
will
not
spill
the
beans,
but
they
also
will
be
I
think
joining
us
at
the
farmers
market
on
occasion,
so
people
can
bring
compost
to
the
farmer's
market,
which
I
know
they
used
to
be
able
to
do
so
that
will
that
will
be
an
option
but
I
think
kind
of
like
bin
sharing
I'm
a
big
fan
of
a
bin
share.
A
So
if
there
are
even
ways
that
we
could
like
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
would
love
for
there
to
be
a
map
of,
like
somebody
could
put
their
bin
on
the
map
and
say,
like
you
can
drop
your
compost
in
my
bin.
If
you
want
like
I
know
that
that
requires
time
that
we
don't
really
have,
but
would
love
to
do
so.
I'll
continue
to
think
on
this,
but
also
I'm
open
to
any
ideas
that
any
other
commission
members
have.
C
F
C
G
G
But
I
think
that
there
is
a
overall
paralysis
that
happens
when
it
comes
to
what
do
I
do
with
this,
and
so
I
think
we
have
a
long
way
to
go,
but
yeah
thanks
for
sharing
that
commissioner
Barrett.
B
Vice,
chair
Baker
any
questions
or
comments
noon
right
now:
okay
and
I
have
a
question
LP
for
outreach,
so
should
we
be
putting
yard
waste
I'll
give
you
a
very
practical
example:
I
grow
asparagus
which
this
time
of
the
year
is
it's
basically,
a
tropical
forest
and
the
fronds
turn
brown.
So
that's
when
I
cut
them,
and
that
is
probably
enough
to
fill
my
very
large
bin
because
I've
got
a
huge
asparagus.
So
is
it
okay
just
to
drop
that
into
the
bin
or
should
I
get
a
large
compostable
I?
B
Guess
those
questions
should
I
be
separating
out
what
is
obviously
sort
of
yard
waste
from
what
I
do
use
is
I?
Have
these
neat
little
compost
bin
that
I
have
on
my
sink
top,
so
I
use
that
for
just
my
food,
my
food
way
so
is
that
okay
to
have
just
yard
waste
sort
of
in
the
bin
and
my
food
waste
in
a
bag?
Is
that
acceptable?
Yes,.
A
These
are
this
is
my
favorite
genre
of
stemper
questions,
which
is
what
do
I
do
with
something
that
might
be
yard
or
food
waste.
Equivalently,
I
love
these
questions.
The
answer
from
psds
is
countered
as
yard
waste,
because
you
don't
have
to
bag
it.
So,
yes,
you
can
just
dump
it
in
the
bin.
You
don't
need
to
put
it
in
a
bag.
I
think
there's
definitely
going
to
be
some
areas
where
it's
kind
of
like
marginal
but
yeah.
That's
totally
fine.
A
Nice
yeah.
We
got
that
question
about
key
limes,
a
lot
when
the
program
rolled
out
people
were
wondering
whether
excess
limes
from
their
tree
counted
as
food
or
yard
waste,
and
the
first
time
I
got
the
question.
I
I
short
circuited,.
B
And
the
answer
I
already
picked
my
clear
lines
but
I'm
in
lemon
season
now
so
the
lemons
they
actually
should
I
put
the
lemon
rinds
in
a
in
a
bag.
A
B
A
B
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
very,
but
that's
the
kind
of
question
sort
of
FAQ.
It
might
be
helpful
actually
to
take
these
questions
and
put
an
FAQ
both
on
our
website
and
also
the
psds
website,
because
there
you've
just
got
I
did
not
Iowa.
You
know,
commissioner
Torrens
you
had
a
great
FAQ
I
had
one
so
maybe
that's
a
good
thing
to
sort
of
start
as
an
FAQ
and
coordinate
with
psds
of
joint
posting
yeah.
A
Absolutely
we
are
doing
a
quick
website
refresh
or
starting
to
do
a
quick
website
refresh
just
to
make
sure
everything's
current.
We
have
a
lot
of
information
on
our
website,
which
I
think
is
amazing.
We
have
so
much
information
that
it's
not
always
super
easy
to
navigate.
So
as
part
of
that
we'll
start
adding
more
of
the
FAQs
to
the
recycling
section
great.
B
Thank
you
all
right,
I
think
this
is
another.
One
of
continuing
topics
with
Throne
aren't
any
further
questions.
We
can
finish
up
on
that
one
for
this
evening.
B
Okay,
back
to
LP
our
meaning
old
business.
A
Sure
so
the
final
item
we
have
here
is
the
acceptance
of
the
resignation
from
commissioner
Evans,
which
he
did
email
out
to
everyone.
So
everyone
has
a
copy
of
that.
I
think
we
just
want
to
reflect
in
the
minutes.
A
Gratitude
for
commissioner
Evans
work-
or
you
know
when
he
was
vice
chair
and
for
briefly
chair,
I,
suppose,
and
gratitude
for
his
work
on
the
commission
and
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
his
final
meeting
was
last
November
and
then
that
he
has
now
moved
to
a
different
municipality,
but
if
there's
any
other,
either
formalities
or
anything
else,
anyone
would
like
reflective
in
the
minutes
feel
free
to.
Let
us
know.
B
Thank
him
for
his
service.
Thank
you
anything
else
on
that.
Okay,
all
right
new
business,
ab2944
and
as
commissioner
Barrett
knows,
I'm
I
love
the
brown
access.
D
A
Sure
so
I
can
get
kick
us
off,
so
ab2944
is
basically
relating
to
the
fact
that
this
meeting
is
remote.
So
that's
kind
of
what
this
is.
This
is
kind
of
a
continuation
of
the
conversation
we
started
last
meeting
as
to
whether
and
when
we
wanted
to
resume
in-person
meetings
with
the
commission.
I
know
we
kind
of
like
notionally
talked
about
it
last
week,
just
a
couple
of
small
updates,
so
one
we
did.
A
You
know
this
wasn't
super
clear
to
me
so
just
sharing
in
case
it
wasn't
as
clear
to
you
all
at
some
point:
the
covet
emergency
order,
May
or
will
expire,
and
we
will
no
longer
have
one
of
those.
At
that
point,
the
commission
will
have
to
go
back
to
in
person
because
we
will
no
longer
have
the
remote
option
under
the
brown
act.
A
However,
under
the
new
version
of
the
brown
act,
which
or
like
the
update
to
the
brown
act
which
kicks
into
the
beginning
of
next
year,
there
are
limited
exceptions
for
certain
members
to
be
remote
at
certain
times
for
a
particular
like
reasons
like
illness
or
various
and
I'll,
get
like
a
little
list
of
those
from
the
clerk's
office.
I
just
learned
about
this
like
two
hours
ago,
so
I'm
still
kind
of
figuring
out
the
details,
so
jeffreyman
may
have
a
little
bit
more
details
than
I
do
on
that.
A
So
you
know
if,
if
there's
an
emergency,
we
can
still
Avail
ourselves
with
this
option,
but
eventually
we
will
have
to
go
back
to
full
in
person.
However,
the
emergency
order
is
still
in
place,
so
the
decision
is
up
to
the
commission
as
to
whether
you
would
like
to
go
back
to
an
in-person
format
or
whether
you'd
prefer
to
remain
remote
until
that
emergency
order
expires.
A
We
are
kind
of
hearing
from
other
commissions,
that
many
of
them,
even
those
who
were
particularly
eager
to
go
back
to
in-person
like
when
this
decision
was
first
floated
in
the
early
fall,
are
slightly
more
reticent.
Now
because
of
you
know,
annual
spikes
in
flu,
covid
RSV
all
the
different
viruses,
though
we
do
have
a
few
commissions
who
are
going
to
try
out
in
person,
but
I
would
say.
70
of
them
are
staying
remote.
A
For
now,
with
30
going
to
in
person,
we
will
in
January,
have
more
advanced
remote
meeting
equipment
so
we'll
be
able
to
run
these
meetings
even
if
they
are
Zoom
or
hybrid
meetings
from
our
large
conference
room
with
some
pretty
sophisticated
cameras
and
microphones,
and
things
like
that.
So
that'll
help
us
continue
to
record
them.
Even
if
we
go
into
a
hybrid
world,
but
that's
kind
of
all,
I
have
I
think
the
decision
is
primarily
the
commissions.
A
You
know
how
you
want
to
handle
the
next
couple
of
months
and
what
you
want
to
do
kind
of
pending
any
emergency
order
expiration.
But
if
anybody
has
any
further
questions
or
anything
to
add,
feel
free.
B
My
recommendation,
particularly
since
we're
likely
to
cancel
the
January
meeting,
is
that
since
February
is
allowed
to
continue
under
the
current
system
that
the
Commissioners
you
know
meet
remotely,
then
I
may
or
may
not
be
here
and
then
sort
of
revisit
the
issue
at
the
December
as
me
at
the
February
meeting,
and
it
may
be
that
there's
nothing
to
revisit,
because
the
requirement
will
be
legal
requirement
to
be
beat
in
person
and
certainly
if
they're
new,
Commissioners
I'm
sure
they
would
enjoy
having
a
chance
to
to
actually
meet
to
to
me
in
in
person.
B
But
that
would
be
my
my
suggestion
would
be.
Is
that
I
may
not
be
here
in
the
February.
But
my
suggestion
is
to
continue
the
current
regime
through
February
because
we're
allowed
to
and
then
revisit
the
issue
at
the
February
meeting
either
because
the
Commissioners
or
the
rules
change.
B
Nothing
right
now:
okay,
if
I
wasn't
sure
whether
you
wanted
to
speak
on
that
okay,
any
any
further
thoughts
is
that
sort
of
a
consensus
is:
let's
continue
once
again
my
recommendation
that
I
may
not
be
here,
let's
plan,
let's
plan
for
the
next
meetings,
January
likely
to
be
canceled,
February
being
remote,
and
then
this
issue
goes
back
on
the
February
meeting
agenda
because
there'll
be
more
information
about
the
timing
of
the
executive
order.
C
F
D
C
B
C
Up
I
was
going
to
just
report.
Somehow
my
camera
is
getting
fuzzy.
I
was
going
to
report
that
that
scour
did
some
reconsideration
of
how
we
do
the
electronic
waste
and
shredding
event,
and
this
was
just
an
update
for
what
we
did
and
then
we
and
then
we
talked
about
1383
and
I-
expect
that
we
will
be
doing
that
again
in
the
future.
C
We
we're
not
meeting
in
December
because
it's
always
out
of
town
when
we
would
have
met
and
our
meeting
is
I,
have
it
somewhere,
but
it's
in
the
first
week
of
January
I
think
that
scour
we
should
probably
go
ahead
and
meet
in
January.
C
Yeah
and
and-
and
you
know,
we're
in
the
midst
of
we're
in
the
midst
of
dealing
with
compostable,
so
it
seems
to
make
sense
yeah,
particularly
particularly
to
take
to
that
meeting
some
of
what
we
did
today,
some
what
we
talked
about
today,
particularly.
A
Yeah
I,
just
commissioner
Barrett
what
you
mentioned
just
reminding
me
to
share
that
we're
going
to
do
another
E-Waste
and
shredding
event
in
the
last
week
of
January,
so
we'll
either
be
the
28th
or
29th
of
January.
I
have
to
do
a
coin
toss
to
decide
which
day
apparently
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
happening
on
the
28th.
So
I
want
people
to
be
able
to
attend,
but
either
the
28th
or
29th
will
be
next
to
E-Waste
and
treading.
If
anybody
has
any
things
to
dispose.
F
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Next
ad
hoc
committee
subcommittee
on
strategic
planning
and
general
Plan
update.
That's
me
we're
still
waiting
for
the
housing
element
to
go
before
Council
and
I
understand
from
Reading
from
other
cities
that
there's
a
hard
deadline
of
January
31st
from
the
state,
housing,
community
and
development
department.
So
presumably
that
will
come
to
to
council
at
the
beginning
of
of
January
I.
B
Don't
have
any
further
updates
LP
you
might
want
to
just
sort
of
in
your
report
back
just
let
the
if
you
have
a
chance
to
talk
with
Flynn
or
David
Newell
in
planning
just
to
let
folks
know,
particularly
if
we
won't
be
meeting
in
in
in
January
sort
of
whether
that's
something
that's
expected
to
go
to
council
next
month,
then
that
would
be
it
and
I
think.
B
That's
probably
the
biggest
issue
remaining
issue
on
the
general
Plan
update,
because
all
of
the
cities
are
required
to
have
certified
housing
elements
by
by
the
end
of
by
the
end
of
next
month,
when
I
understand
from
the
state
deadline:
okay,
solar
and
green
building.
B
So
if
you've
read
the
front
page
of
today's
Desert,
Sun
or
otherwise
been
reading
the
news,
the
cpuc
in
its
Infinite
Wisdom
undecided
unanimously
to
substantially
cut
the
solar
what
we
call
the
net
energy
metering
benefits,
I
am
working
through
the
200
and
well
maybe
the
I
read
the
markup.
Yesterday,
the
clean
decision
may
not
be
may
only
be
250
Pages
as
opposed
to
274
in
the
markup
I.
B
Don't
recommend
you
read
it
unless
you
need
to
get
help
getting
to
sleep,
the
rules
will
change
effective,
probably
April,
15th
or
so,
and
folks
who
sign
on
to
solar
after
that
will
lose
a
lot
of
the
benefits.
Now,
there's
a
question
of
how
much
the
sky
is
falling
or
not,
but
there
are
likely
to
be
substantial
reductions
in
in
solar
adoption.
This
is
not
something
that
really
the
city
or
even
DC
and
I'll
get
to
that.
A
little
bit
later
can
do
much
about
both
cvag
and
desert.
B
Community
energy
issued
support
letters
to
keep
the
current
regime
and
support
for
continued
development
that
did
not
go
anywhere.
So
this
is
a
formal
decision
from
the
cpuc
and
we're
all
going
to
be.
You
know,
working
through
the
consequences
and
see
you
know
what
we
can
do
to
encourage
to
encourage
notwithstanding
that,
so
we'll
be
dealing
with
a
DCL
talk
about
that
later,
but
it
is
regrettably
a
decision,
particularly
for
communities
such
as
ours,
with
about
more
solar
than
anywhere
else
in
the
state,
let
alone
the
country.
B
C
B
Other
hand
on
the
same
day
another
well,
there
are
three
major
commissions
dealing
with
energy
and
sustainability
issues
at
the
state
level.
That's
a
cpuc.
The
California
air
resources
board
adopted
the
scoping
plan.
That's
next
on
my
reading
list.
It's
also
very
complicated
that
essentially,
if
not
necessarily
mandates
strongly
orients
the
state
toward
various
issues
of
carbon
neutrality,
LP
I'll
be
working
with
you.
B
One
of
the
issues
is
transportation,
electrification
and
Fleet
Fleet
replacement,
so
that
is
likely
to
be
happening
there
and
then
simultaneously
also
I
think
the
day
before
on
the
14th
on
Wednesday,
the
energy
commission,
the
third
sort
of
part
of
the
three-legged
State
stool
adopted
is
clean,
Transportation
sort
of
budget
for
the
next
couple
of
years,
and
that's
roughly
three
billion
dollars
of
various
funding
for
transportation,
electrification
and
other
programs.
B
So
two
agencies
taking
sort
of
pro
process,
State
ability,
one
agency,
two
steps
ahead:
one
step
back
from
the
state
last
last
last
week:
I'll
be
monitoring
all
of
these
proceedings,
but
it's
just
very
very
complicated
is
about
the
best
that
I
can
see
and
trying
to
get.
All
of
these
issues
dealing
with
you
know
at
the
city
level,
that's
where
it
gets
completely
complicated
of
trying
to
figure
out
you
know,
agency
access
to
this
agency-wise
says:
do
that
not
necessarily
in
sync.
B
So
is
a
challenge
LP,
whether
I'm
on
the
commission
or
not.
You
can
always
count
on
me
to
help
you
work
through
some
of
these
issues.
I
said
we'll
be
dealing
with
some
of
them
at
dce
and
some
of
them
are.
You
know,
I
read
these
decisions
because
I
like
reading
regulatory
decisions,
so
I'm
happy
to
help
on
that.
B
So
that's
sort
of
the
main
you
know
the
main
sort
of
you
know
news
from
from
from
Sacramento
and
in
the
cpuc's
case
the
they're
they're,
based
in
in
San
Francisco
right
next
to
the
opera
house.
So
I
can't
go
to
the
opera
house
without
getting
the
reminder
of
my
work
duties.
B
Any
any
comments
on
on
that
sort
of
issues-
and
you
know
there
is,
if
you
get
a
chance
there's
a
substantial
articles.
I
would
probably
recommend
if
you
want
further
interesting
Sammy
Roth
ex
of
the
Desert
Sun
and
with
the
LA
Times,
had
a
very
good
explainer
Thursday
afternoon
right
after
the
CPC.
B
If
issues
his
decisions,
you
have
the
Desert
Sun
article
today
and
you
can
look
up
the
LA
Times
for
a
really
good
explainer
on
on
that
and
and
sort
of
a
Shameless
plug
for
Sammy,
because
he's
really
really
very
good
at
working
through
some
of
these
issues.
B
He
has
something
to
be
started
actually
at
the
Desert
Sun
and
then
continued
over
to
the
LA
Times
called
the
boiling
point
newsletter
I
believe
it
comes
out
every
Thursday
and
it
is
a
really
really
good
aggregation
of
everything
you
need
to
know
about
climate
change
and
sustainability.
So
I
think
you
can
just
subscribe
to
that
without
any.
You
know
paying
a
sort
of
log
one
fee
for
the
for
the
play
times.
B
So
that's
it
for
solar
and
Green
Building
Commissioner
Torrens.
Anything
further
on
thank
You
LP
on
that
you
can
subscribe
through
the
LA
Times
newsletter
page
and
it's
for
free
yep,
Shameless
plug,
but
he's
a
really
good
guy,
commissioner
Torrance
anything
more
on
bicycle
routes
and
cycling.
Nothing.
B
Okay,
water
conservation
and
sort
of
looping
back
for
the
discussion
about
drought,
because
we're
meeting
on
Monday
evening
tomorrow
is
the
gwa
board
meeting
the
big
issue.
It
is
on
the
agenda,
but
also
you
probably
have
seen
that
in
the
newspaper,
the
drought
emergency,
the
Colorado
River,
is
running
out
of
water,
there's
nothing
behind
the
dams,
the
state
water
project.
B
While
it's
been,
you
know
snowing
up,
north
it'll
get
cold
and
then
apparently
the
weather
forecasts-
or
you
know
it's
going
to
dry
up
again,
so
those
storms
up
north
are,
you
know
not
necessarily
going
to
continue.
So
the
drought
emergency
remains
it's
getting
worse.
Is
it
it'll
be
discussed
tomorrow
at
the
at
the
at
the
dwa
board
meeting
each
of
the
six
agencies
in
the
Coachella
Valley
work
together.
So
there
is
a
drought
management,
sort
of
response
plan
and
they
very
well
made.
B
You
know,
move
to
further
may
need
to
move
to
to
further
measures,
so
that
will
be
discussed
tomorrow
and
then
you
know
it'll
be
a
dwa
decision
in
coordination
with
the
other
agencies
there.
So,
in
the
meantime,
the
agents
or
dwa
is,
you
know
strongly
encouraging
conservation,
they're
up
to
roughly
I
believe
close
to
12
percent
based
on
the
so
the
governor's
executive
order
was
to
reduce
water
conservation
by
15
compared
with
2020.
B
That's
a
bit
of
a
challenge
because
Palm
Springs
was
closed
in
a
lot
of
2020
because
of
the
because
of
kovid,
but
nevertheless
the
the
reduction
is
I
believe
close
to
12
from
the
2020
voluntary
Baseline
and
about
18
from
the
previous
2013
Baseline.
So
water
conservation
remains,
but
you
know
LP,
that's
also.
B
You
know
once
again
part
of
the
turfree
and
reimbursement
and
obviously
the
city
is
probably
dwa's
largest
single
customer,
so
anything
that
the
city
can
do
and
that
may
be
potentially
a
another
use
of
the
million
dollars
in
funds
of
funding
some
of
the
city's
own
at
the
airport
and
the
parks.
B
So
that's
it
and
also
there'll,
be
there
are
new
dwa
directors
and
they'll
be
installed
at
tomorrow's
meeting,
so
I'll
be
I'll.
You
know
report
back
from
the
extent
that
I'm
around,
but
Paul
probably
continue
to.
You
know,
at
least
for
a
little
while
attend
those
meetings.
A
Parks
Commission
is
actually
looking
at
a
Turf
conversion
plan
tonight
they
are
conflicting
with
us
because
of
our
one-off
Monday,
so
we're
following
that
closely
and
supporting
them
on
that.
But
yes,
I
agreed
that
that
could
be
a
great.
B
That,
if
you
could
report
back
to
us
on
sort
of
the
sort
of
saying
what's
what's
happened
there,
that
would
be
great
okay,
Wellness,
Vice,
chair,
Baker,
anything
on
wellness
and
particular
the
smoking
ordinance
which
non-smoking
ordinance
go
to
a
new
new
city
council.
F
Yeah
so
since
we're
a
new
council
is
coming
on
board
now,
I
guess
we'll
revisit
that
in
January,
let's
see
if
we
can
get
some
traction.
Finally,
okay,
that'd.
B
Be
great
all
right
keep
us
posted
there
back
to
me:
desert
community
energy
and
Inland
Regional
energy,
Network,
there's
just
a
lot
going
on.
We
will
have
speaking
of
new
Council.
So
now,
council,
member
with
a
council
member
corres
rotating
off
the
council
council
member
Middleton,
had
been
the
has
been
the
alternative
to
dce,
so
she
will
become
the
Palm
Springs
representative
and
at
the
next
DC
board,
meeting
they'll
be
the
election
of
the
board
members.
B
We're
not
sure
whether
mayor
Kelly
of
Palm,
Desert
who's,
been
there
alternate
whether
she'll
be
serving
as
the
representative
for
Palm
Desert
or
whether
Palm
Desert
Council
will
name
other
folks,
that's
up
to
them,
but
I'm
already
in
discussion
with
with
the
council
member
Middleton
just
to
update
her
on
some
of
those
things
really.
The
biggest
issue
is
just
you
know,
compliance
issues
we
are
be
looking,
and
this
is
also
somewhat
relevant
for
solar
and
Green
Building.
B
There
are
large
number
of
various
rebate
programs
under
the
inflation
reduction
act
that
become
live
starting
next
month,
so
LP
I'll,
be
you
know,
following
that,
and
the
extent
that
I
can
find
a
really
sort
of
useful
link
that
I
can
send
you
or
just
some
collateral
material
will
probably
cross
post
that
between
the
dce
website
and
the
City
website
to
Anita,
particularly
thank
you
for
updating
the
city
website
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
We
are
updating
our
website
on
various
issues.
B
That'll
probably
go
live
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
but
this
is
you
know,
additional
matter
that
we're
dealing
with
the
Inland
Regional
energy
Network,
the
executive
committee
created
by
Iran
Metra
the
first
time
this
past
Tuesday
that
can
consist
of
representatives
from
seabag
mayor
Ortiz
of
Indio
is
the
Steve
AG
representative
on
the
executive
committee.
There
are
three
representatives
from
wrk
Western,
Riverside,
Council
of
governments
and
Sam
brandino,
Associated
governments.
B
We
probably
won't
get
to
naming
the
Consultants
the
agreements
until
February
or
so,
but
LP
once
again,
what
I
can
do
in
the
interim,
in
particular,
working
with
you
on
a
codes
and
Sanders
presentation
for
our
cannabis
stakeholders?
That's
probably
something
that
I
would
like
to
do
once
again,
we'll
talk
to
you
in
Veronica
who's,
now
having
a
little
bit
of
free
time.
Now
that
the
ordinance
the
vacation
rental
ordinance
has
has
passed
so,
hopefully
we
can
get.
We
can
get
that
get
that
started.
B
The
energy
code
and
the
other
building
codes
go
into
effect
on
the
first
of
the
year
and
I
provided
a
public
comment
to
the
council
when
they
approved
it
on
first
reading
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
to
let
them
know
about
the
new
standard.
It's
that
that
enter
an
effect
on
on
state
law
and
voice,
chair,
Baker
and
and
commissioner
Barrett.
B
Yes,
we
will
be
bringing
you
back
the
community
advisory
committee,
the
program
assistant
that
had
been
tasked
with
that
moved
on
to
where,
in
the
recruiting
now
for
a
new
program
assistant
to
help
us
get
that
to
get
back
together
so
stay
tuned.
But
we,
if
we're
not
not
forgotten
you,
you
know
to
the
extent
that
DC
is
able
to
put
some
reserves
on
the
books
next
year
then
we'd
like
to
be
looking
at.
B
B
So
that's
it
for
DC
and
and
Iran,
and
you
can
always
you
know
ping
me
if
any
any
questions
I'll
peel
on
that
World
environment
day
that
had
been
commissioner
futterman
and
I
would
probably
ask
LP
that
you
can
find
a
new
commissioner
who
would
be
interested
in
keeping
that
it's
been
a
wonderful
activity,
particularly
for
getting
our
younger.
B
You
know
our
students
involved,
so
that
would
be
really
good
to
sort
of
continue
and
I'm
sure
mayor
Garner
would
she'd
have
a
lot
of
really
good
ideas
on
that,
and
perhaps
that
could
be
be
linked
to
her
mayor's
book
club
that
she
mentioned
at
at
the
council
meeting
as
part
of
her
installation
and
maybe
in
coordination
with
with
World
environment
day
and
maybe
for
Arbor
Day
as
well.
B
You
know
find
some
sustainability
books
that
would
get
to
our
younger
people
in
our
community
interested
and
committed
on
that
topic.
B
Okay,
okay,
so
that's
the
end
of
subcommittee
and
commissioner
reports,
commissioner
comments
and
upcoming
agenda
Vice
chair
Baker.
Any
any
further
comments.
F
C
I
have
a
a
comment:
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
have
any
role
in
it,
but
I
think
that
somehow
or
other
the
conversion
of
the
Mesquite
golf
course
to
the
Prescott
preserve
is
something
that
should
somewhere
fall
into
some
of
our
agenda.
Since
it's
a
private
entity,
it's
a
little
hard
to
do
that,
but
I
have
I
it's
it's
in
my
neighborhood
and
so
I'm
over
there
I'm
biking
through
it.
C
Very
often
it's
actually
got
a
lot
of
people
there's
a
lot
of
people
using
it,
which
is
an
encouraging
thing
in
terms
of
of
people
just
using
that
as
one
way
to
get
out
and
organize
and
whatever
else.
So
it's
it's
just
something
I,
don't
I
I,
say
I
I,
don't
know
what
I
would
say
to
do
with
it,
but
it
seems
to
be
it's
it's
a
it's
a
point
of
Interest.
B
G
B
Thank
you
and
I
have
nothing
further
other
than
if
I
don't
see
you
in
February,
it's
been
a
wonderful
seven
and
a
half
years.
That's
all
I
can
say
and
we'll
you'll
hear
from
from
from
LP,
then
so
adjournment.
I
would
say:
let's
adjourn
to
the
next
scheduled
meeting,
because
it
has
not
been
formally
canceled
but
LP.
If
you
can
touch
base
with
the
city
clerk's
office
and
assuming
there
are
no
issues
you
can
get
back
to
us
fairly
quickly.
B
Just
people
can
free
up
that
on
the
agenda,
but
if
you
don't
see
any
issues
that
were
acquire
our
input
to
council
or
any
other
issues
than
if
you
could
get
out,
perhaps
no
later
than
the
beginning
of
the
year,
if
not
before
a
formal
notice
of
cancellation
to
alert
the
public,
particularly
our
usual
public
speakers,
that
we
will
not
be
meeting
in
January
foreign.
B
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
very
much
for
a
very,
very
effective
meeting,
wish
you
all
a
very
good
holiday
season
and
thank
You,
LP
and
Anita
for
all
of
your
hard
work
and
thank
you,
Ms
Walker,
for
joining
us
and
sticking
through
the
entire
meeting,
and
thank
you,
I
think
we're
adjourned
and
see
you
all.
Maybe
next
time
happy.