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A
Burkett,
all
in
favor
so
good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
audience
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
Preservation
Board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
board,
although
the
historic
site
preservation
board,
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
There
will
be
three
minutes
assigned
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing.
A
We
do
not
have
any
public
hearings
this
morning.
So
if
you
are
here
to
address
the
board
on
any
issue,
now
would
be
the
time
to
do
that.
So
we
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
any
members
of
the
audience
wishing
to
address
the
board.
Please
come
forward
sign
in
you
will
have
three
minutes,
given
that
there
might
be
a
number
of
speakers
this
morning.
I
would
ask
that
you
queue
up
there
to
the
right
of
the
microphone
to
expediate
matters.
D
Morning,
my
name
is
Sean
Gaines
I'm,
a
general
contractor
resident
15
years
of
Palm
Springs
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Kevin
and
Jessica
Vander
Zanden,
who
owned
the
home
at
two
five
to
sunset
way:
they've
applied
for
a
building
permit
which
has
been
processed,
and
we
are
here
to
seek
the
approval
of
this
commission
to
tear
the
house
down
I've
brought
along
the
elevations
of
the
house
proposed
to
be
put
in
its
place.
The
footprint
of
the
current
building
is
1500
square
feet,
including
the
parking
carport
area.
D
We
have
Kevin
and
Jessica
bought
this
home
some
seven
or
eight
years
ago,
and
intended
to
be
their
retirement
home,
which
they
will
planning
on
moving
into
at
the
end
of
this
year
or
early
next
year.
They
reside
in
Seattle.
They
met
here
in
Palm
Springs
some
10
years
ago
fell
in
love,
bought
a
home,
and
this
is
going
to
be
where
they're
going
to
spend
their
retirement
years.
They
picked
that
neighborhood
specifically
because
of
the
architecture
they
are
enthusiastic
about
mid-century,
modern
aesthetics.
D
However,
this
particular
house
has
so
many
internal
problems
with
it
that
the
cost
benefit
of
a
major
renovation
and
addition
was
more
expensive
than
tearing
it
down,
and
you
know
the
architect
has
gone
out
of
his
way
to
incorporate
his
design
into
the
existing
architecture
of
the
neighborhood
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
a
butterfly
roof
flat
lots
of
glass.
The
orientation
of
the
house
in
the
neighborhood
has
not
changed
most
of
the.
In
fact,
all
of
the
new
square
footage
will
be
unseen
from
the
street.
D
The
neighborhood
is
is
filled
with
beautiful
examples
of
Alexander
construction
and
the
various
architects
that
were
involved
in
the
collaborations
of
those
homes,
but
also
there
are
numerous
examples
of
and
Alexander
homes
in
that
neighborhood
that
have
been
heavily
modified
and
you
could
not
tell
even
if
you
are
an
expert
on
that
type
of
architecture,
whether
some
of
those
homes
are
Alexander
homes
or
not,
I
mean
significant
changes
to
the
facades
of
some
of
those
homes
and
not
particularly
good
workmanship.
By
the
way,
this
home
has
numerous
numerous
internal
structural
problems
with
it.
D
The
foundation
slab
foundations
have
three
significant
structural
cracks,
which
makes
it
very
difficult
to
change
and
modify
and
apply
new
floor
coverings
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
All
of
the
plumbing
has
been
revamped
over
many
many
years,
and
now
the
plumbing
is
all
attached
to
the
exterior
of
the
house
over
the
roof.
D
A
D
A
A
D
D
A
E
Morning,
members,
the
HSP
b
and
city
staff,
I'm
eric
rose
now,
president
of
Palm
Springs
Preservation
Foundation.
Regarding
item
4a
I'm,
urging
the
HSP
be
to
deny
the
demolition
permit
of
252
North
sunset
way.
The
home
is
one
of
141
homes
in
the
Sun,
more
estates
tract
also
known
as
enchanted
homes.
The
track
is
one
of
several
built
by
the
Alexander
construction
company.
The
history
of
these
homes
is
well
documented
in
my
colleague
at
the
foundation's
Jim
Harlan's
book,
the
Alexander's
a
desert
legacy.
E
We
attribute
the
design
of
252
north
sunset
way
to
the
recently
passed
William
kreizel
of
Palmer
&
kreisel,
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
In
the
past
few
years,
it's
estimated
to
similar
architect-designed
tract
homes
as
class
one
historic
sites,
both
humph
spent
multiple
criteria
for
designation
and
protection
under
the
Palm
Springs
Municipal
Code.
We
believe
two
five,
two
North
sons.
It
would
likewise
meet
those
criteria.
E
In
fact,
the
draft
2015
City
citywide
historic
resources
inventory
recognizes
that
the
son
worn
a
bird
is
as
a
potentially
eligible
as
a
historic
district
and
further
identifies
two
five,
two
North
sunset
as
contributing
to
the
district.
The
idea
that
this
house
should
be
demolished
in
hopes
of
building
something,
bigger
and
better
future
contradicts
the
reason
that
we
have
historic
designation
altogether.
The
current
owners
believe
the
garage
and
a
few
other
minor
alterations
are
forcing
them
to
tear
down
this
home
and
start
anew.
E
However,
when
you
drive
through
the
numerous
mid-century
neighborhoods
of
Palm
Spring
people
see
hundreds
of
homes
that
have
successfully
been
rehabilitated,
q5
to
North
sunset
can
become
another
one
of
those
success
stories
that
adds
to
the
fabric
of
both
the
Sun,
more
neighborhood
and
the
Palm
Springs
the
whole
speaking
with
many
of
similars
residents.
The
common
thread
is
that
they
bought
their
homes
in
a
sec,
excessively
cohesive
and
well-preserved
mid-century
neighborhood
in
Palm
Springs.
E
They
are
highly
concerned
about
this
potential
to
demolition
all
too
frequently
such
demolition
leads
to
ill-advised
new
construction,
that
is
out
of
scale
and
out
of
character
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
In
short,
the
replacement
is
never
as
good
as
the
original
again
I
urge
DHS
to
be
to
deny
the
demolition
permit
and
continue
to
help
preserve
the
architectural
legacy
that
Palm
Springs
has
to
offer.
Thank
you
thank.
A
A
F
Morning,
my
name
is
Jim
ghazan
and
I'm.
The
board
chair
for
the
sunnmøre
neighborhood
organization
I
want
to
cut
away
real
quickly
and
say
gosh
I
wish
I
had
that
problem
with
my
mid-century
modern
home
of
a
cracked
foundation
and
be
able
to
see
that
so
that
I
could
actually
replace
up
my
plumbing
with
copper
through
the
foundation.
F
Unfortunately,
our
beautiful
tile
floors
that
makes
that
not
real,
feasible
I'm
here
today
to
request
a
stay
of
demolition
for
the
property
located
at
252
North
sunset
way
as
known
the
home
was
designed
by
Dan,
Palmer
and
William
kreisel
and
built
by
the
Alexander
construction
company
in
1958.
This
home
is
part
of
the
enchanted
estates
tract
to
date.
No
home
has
been
destroyed
in
this
100%
intact
development,
which
includes
the
Sun
lore
neighborhood.
This
home
is
not
in
teardown
condition.
F
In
fact,
it
was
used
as
a
vacation
rental
as
early
as
June
7th
of
this
year.
The
current
owners
have
owned
this
investment
for
over
four
years,
with
the
initial
intention
to
renovate
both
Sunrise
Park
and
some
more
benefit
every
year
or
I
should
say
every
other
year
for
modernism
week,
tours
as
hundreds
of
guests
marvel
at
our
beautiful
intact
neighborhoods
homes
and
lifestyle
from
a
revered
era
losing
only
one
home
chips
away.
At
this
experience,
this
situation
has
been
eye-opening
and
a
wake-up
call.
F
This
is
a
start
of
an
epidemic
that
will
grow
in
Palm
Springs,
as
desirable.
Lots
will
be
worth
more
than
the
structure
on
them.
We
cannot
afford
to
tango
with
this
trend,
as
it
has
destroyed
many
neighborhoods
throughout
California
and
the
country
it
only
takes
one
then
to
losing
one
of
these
treasures
is
like
tearing
a
page
from
this
book.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention.
Thank.
A
G
G
Sunset,
at
least
until
more
study
has
been
done
now,
I
own,
a
mid-century
I've,
seen
a
lot
of
myths,
entries
I,
know
a
lot
of
people
with
alexander's
they're,
very
easy
homes
to
work
with
this
particular
home
is
said
in
a
part
of
a
neighborhood.
That
is
absolutely
immaculate.
In
my
perspective,
it's
all
Alexander's
on
one
side
of
the
road
and
myzel
men's
on
the
other
side.
G
So
it's
the
only
example
that
I
know
of
this
in
Palm
Springs
and
knowing
the
importance
of
architecture
in
Palm,
Springs
I
think
this
is
something
that
should
really
be
taking
into
consideration
before
we
replace
it
with
another
design
from
another
era
which
nothing
against
the
current
proposed
design.
But
this
is
more
about
the
neighborhood
cohesiveness
and
you
know
we
need
to
remember
that.
G
I
understand
that
this
homeowner
wants
to
return,
has
a
dream
and-
and
we
all
appreciate
and
support
that,
but
we
also
all
have
a
dream
and
we
all
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
we
all
moved
into
this
neighborhood
because
of
what
we
have
in
the
neighborhood,
which
is
the
dream
of
living
in
a
mid-century,
modern,
specific
Street
and
neighborhood
I
have
so
many
snippets
from
letters
but
I,
don't
think
I
have
enough
time
so
we'll
the
copies
I
have
here
and
not
four.
Would
you
like
me
to
read
some
snippets
if.
G
This
is
from
Stephan
and
William
rouse.
We
just
learned
that
five
sunset
might
be
demolished.
We
are
opposed
to
the
demolition
demolition,
the
architecture
of
Sunrise
part
and
it's
Alexander's
and
myzel
main
homes
is
the
reason
why
bill
and
I
bought
our
home
just
a
few
blocks
away,
unfortunately,
we're
out
of
town
and
cannot
attend
the
hearing
on
such
short
notice.
G
E
H
Right,
thank
you
very
much,
please
sure.
Good
morning
my
name
is
Charlie.
Lamort
I
live
at
294
sunset,
Way,
five
doors
from
the
proposed
252
demolition
first
thing
I
want
to
say,
is
I.
Think
all
of
us
have
this
book
in
our
at
our
home,
and
it
is
the
Alexander's
and
the
important
thing
is
a
desert
legacy.
And
if
you
look
on
the
back
page,
which
I
provided
to
you,
it
shows
that
enchanted
homes
and
sunnmøre
were
designated
as
a
unique
cohesive
group
of
Alexander
homes,
which
is
represented
by
this
book.
H
And
I
want
to
tell
you
also
living
on
the
street.
The
magical
thing
about
sunset
way
is
that
it
is
lined
with
quintessential
mid-century
homes
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
It
looks
it
looks
like
the
50s
and
the
60s,
but
all
dressed
up
as
a
whole.
The
entire
neighborhood
is
a
step
back
in
history
and
that's
why
thousands
of
people
come
to
look
at
it
every
year,
so
my
opinion,
in
my
opinion,
an
expanded
remodel,
would
most
benefit
the
street
and
the
city
and
I'd
also
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
procedure.
H
We
just
learned
about
this
on
Thursday
City
Hall
is
closed,
Friday
Saturday
Sunday,
so
we
only
had
a
few
days
to
get
people
together
so
that
they
would
know
that
this
is
happening
so
I'm
wondering
if
a
rule
change
could
be
made
so
that
houses
which
are
designated
three,
which
now
do
not
need
to
have
a
notification
if
they're
going
to
be
demolished
all
so
that
we
can
be
notified
by
law
whenever
these
are
going
to
happen
in
the
future.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
Name
is
Jim
Harlan
I'm,
the
author
of
the
Alexander
desert
legacy
journal,
I'll,
repeat
some
of
the
some
of
the
themes
that
are
being
spoken
about
here.
One
is
I
believe
the
demolition
of
this
home
would
create
a
scar,
a
permanent
scar
in
the
neighborhood.
There
are
a
hundred
and
forty-one
homes
in
this
neighborhood
all
designed
by
at
least
the
floor
plan
by
Bill
kreisel,
and
this
information
is
based
on
my
research
of
the
Getty
files
city
permits
and
tax
assessor
rolls
I.
I
J
I
thought,
okay,
that's
it's!
That
house
happens
to
be
next
to
two
vacant:
lots
that
were
built
with
new
homes.
I
have
no
problem
with
anything
being
built
on
a
vacant
lot
because
there
wasn't
anything
there,
but
when
you
have
property
that
has
an
intrinsic
value
because
it's
an
Alexander
and
you
want
to
tear
it
down
and
build
effect.
J
Simile
of
that
I
have
a
real
hard
time
with
that
so
I'm
here,
as
with
many
of
the
others
before
me
to
request
the
stay
of
demolition,
I
hope
that
what
comes
out
of
this,
because
a
lot
of
times
through
adversity,
we
gain
something
better.
I
hope
that
what
comes
out
of
this
is
a
historic
district
for
some
more
and
maybe
portions,
of
sunrise,
Park.
J
Where
is
the
tipping
point
if
we
let
this
one
be
torn
down,
because
I
read
somewhere
in
there
that
you
know
that's
not
going
to
affect
the
integrity
of
this
neighborhood
that
could
potentially
be
a
historic
district?
How
many
more
can
we
tear
down?
This
is
like
the
vacation
rental
issue
where
people
were
saying.
Well,
we
should
limit.
You
know
the
numbers
of
them
that
there
are
based
on
streets,
how
many
per
street?
J
K
I've
taken
care
of
it
invested
a
lot
of
money
in
it
and
in
addition,
my
house
has
been
in
the
atomic
ranch
book
the
magazine.
It
was
in
a
Better,
Homes
and
Gardens
special
edition,
a
mid-century
and
then
just
most
recently,
my
house
was
shown
on
house
hunters
as
two
guys
came
from
LA
and
they
wanted
a
fabulous
mid-century
with
curb
appeal
and
pedigree
and
I
thought
wow.
And
then,
when
I
saw
that
the
house
that
they're
getting
ready
to
tear
down
is
just
like
mine,
I
was
like.
K
Oh
my
god
there's
you
know
like
it's
just
a
real
buzzkill
kind
of
stabbed
in
the
back
I
understand
people
would
want
to.
You
know
you
own
your
own
property.
You
have
the
right
to
do
with
your
own
stuff,
but
Alexander
kreisel
type
house
is
something
special
and
I'm
as
a
resident
sunrise,
Park
I'm,
just
opposed
to
it.
I
wish
the
people
that
owned
the
house.
The
best
of
luck,
though
I,
think
you
know
it's
a
uncomfortable
position
for
them
to
be
in,
but
save
the
house.
E
Morning,
I'm
Karen,
tebah
and
I'm,
a
realtor
I,
don't
really
have
a
dog
in
the
race
here:
I,
don't
live
at
sunrise
park,
but
if
I
sold
this
house
and
I
can't
make
a
disclosure
to
the
buyer,
saying
that
you
cannot
do
anything
to
this
house
like
there
are
several
around
that
you
have
to
make
this
disclosure
that
you
can't
touch
the
outside.
You
can
do
whatever
you
want
inside,
and
you
have
to
go
and
check
with
the
city
to
see
what
you
can
do.
E
You
know
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
a
disclosure
for
the
Realtors,
because
if
I
had
sold
that
house
to
them
and-
and
they
said
well,
I
think
I'm
going
to
demolish
it
and
build
something
similar.
But
new
I
I
have
nothing
to
say:
I
mean
it's
your
house,
you
can
live
in
it.
You
can
it's
a
property
right,
so
I'm
just
asking
that
if
this
Commission
has
anything
to
say
about
other
neighborhoods,
also
not
just
this
neighborhood
I
just
see
a
real
problem
here.
E
L
These
new
homes
are
designed
by
the
prominent
architect
Richard
leach
AIA,
with
color
coordination
by
feet,
Roni
pariah,
which
is
leach
also
design
in
a
wooden
within
Tierra
del
Sol,
near
Thunderbirds,
as
well
as
the
original
clubhouse
of
Indian
world
Country
Club,
making
him
an
architect
of
local
significance.
He
was
born
in
Glendale
California
on
February
3rd
1922,
following
service
in
world
war
ii.
As
the
closed-loop
tenant
and
United
States
Air
Force.
He
graduated
from
USC
School
of
Architecture
in
1952
and
became
a
member
of
a
ia.
L
Orange
County
he's
secured
a
job
as
designer
for
Smith
&
Williams
prior
to
launching
niche
and
Rudolph
in
1953.
He
later
started
his
own
firm.
It
should
reach
international
I
picked
up
and
land
planners
which
specialized
in
large
master
plan,
housing
developments
throughout
the
u.s.
in
retirement.
He
developed
an
interest
in
ancient
Japanese
country
houses
and
worked
on
modern
adaptations
of
artists
and
built
home
from
the
Middle
Ages,
which
returned
the
USP
of
an
instructor
and
secured
his
FAI.
A
nomination
in
1972.
L
Shapira
played
man,
rod
appear
smart
calm
and
Co
after
William
cross
with
Palm
Springs
work.
There
are
good
houses
with
history
and
design
here.
It
would
be
ashamed
to
start
a
trend
of
ripping
them
down
to
build
bigger
home.
It
will
eventually
destroy
the
integrity
of
the
neighborhood
in
the
book.
The
enchanted
home
was
not
discussed,
because
cars
were
really
had
very
little
to
do
with
them.
Floor
plans
were
lifted
from
the
Ramon
wise
project
that
you
walked
away
from,
and
the
Alexander
construction
company.
L
Then
we
used
them
when
taking
over
fun
more
from
the
bankrupt
developer,
Bob
Higgins,
for
whom
work
soon
Harrison
did
v
Devon
the
Alexander's
den
hired
leach
to
do
the
elevation.
So
when
you
buy
in
fun
birthday,
you
get
three
names
for
the
price
of
one
home.
Now,
I
am
gonna,
go
over
my
three
minutes,
but
just
give
me
a
few
extra
second.
L
In
conclusion,
PS
neurons
believe
the
200
block
of
sense
that
way
being
a
main
access
point
or
the
neighborhood
dust
after
tone
for
the
enchanted
home
shock
and
is
arguably
more
unique
because
it
was
by
a
different
architect
than
most
Alexander
homes.
Many
of
the
houses
within
the
flock
retain
a
high
level
of
integrity,
unlike
the
300
400
block,
with
some
of
the
dwellings
have
been
significantly
altered
or
design
by
others.
L
Currently,
the
east
start
of
the
200
block
seems
especially
cohesive,
so
keeping
his
house
from
being
demolished
is
important
to
further
maintaining
the
overall
integrity
of
the
neighborhood
other
ritually
envisioned
and
intended.
Thank
you
and
I
attack
the
article
and
there's
a
copy
here
for
each
one
of
you.
A
K
My
name
is
Rob
Reinhardt
I
lived
on
sets
that
way
as
well
and
I'm
opposed
to
the
demolition
of
252
cent
way
for
all
the
same
reasons
that
everyone
else
spoke
today,
I
think
that,
on
that
block,
in
particular,
is
uniquely
qualified
as
every
single
home
in
on
that
block
is
significant
or
eclis.
Significant
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
shame
to
get
rid
of
one
of
these
and
also
set
a
dangerous
precedent
that.
K
K
Just
as
for
a
little
history,
my
partner
I
looked
at
many
neighborhoods
and
homes
before
we
purchased
in
Sunrise
Park.
We
settled
in
the
neighborhood
precisely
for
its
mid-century
heritage
and
the
near
pristine
maintenance
of
its
efficient,
unobtrusive
low-profile
homes.
Until
very
recently,
the
people
have
bought
in
Sunrise
Park
have
had
an
appreciation
for
mid-century
architecture
at
the
unique
heritage
of
the
neighborhood.
Also
until
recently,
the
neighborhood
has
improved
dramatically
as
new
residents
and
committed
themselves
to
the
stewardship
of
their
historically
significant
homes
through
the
restoration
and
modern
is
modernization
of
their
existing
structures.
K
They
honor
both
the
homes
and
the
neighborhoods
provenance
and
character.
What
seems
to
be
happening
now
in
Sunrise
Park
at
an
alarmingly
quick
pace,
is
a
relaxed
disposition
of
demolition
permits
and
approval
of
home
designs
using
a
generic
one.
Size
fits
all
Building
Code,
with
no
consideration
to
have
the
size
and
scale
of
these
homes
will
affect
the
environments
in
which
they
insert
themselves.
The
new
homes
built
or
under
construction
in
the
neighborhood
in
the
last
two
years
completely
overwhelmed
their
Lots,
the
homes
around
them
and
they
invade
neighbors
sense
of
privacy.
K
The
mid-century
aesthetic
is
essentially
Palm,
Springs
brand,
its
what's
driven
the
city's
recent
revival.
That's
why
a
hundred
thousand
people
show
up
every
year
ruling
the
hotels
and
restaurants
with
tourist
revenue,
and
it's
white.
Eight
hundred
people
visited
this
past
modernism
week
in
Sunrise,
Park
alone,
allowing
the
obliteration
of
a
perfectly
fine
habitable
Alexander
home
on
a
block
uniquely
made
up
entirely
of
these
historically
significant
mid-century
homes
sends
a
message
to
the
community
that
the
city
has
no
real
appreciation
or
incentive
to
maintain
its
heritage.
K
M
Name
is
Rick
Berg
I
live
in
the
enchanted
homes
section
of
sunnmøre
and
serve
on
the
board
of
the
Sun
Moore
neighborhood
organization.
I
am
opposed
to
the
demolition
of
252
North
sunset.
This
is
a
significant
mid-century
home
in
a
concentration
of
mid-century
homes.
It
is
one
of
the
largest
tracts
of
such
buildings
in
Palm,
Springs
and
very
possibly
anywhere
I
strongly
believe
that
this
concentration
of
mid-century
homes
should
be
organized
and
recognized
as
a
historic
district.
In
fact,
I
obtained
an
application
yesterday
morning
to
initiate
that
project.
M
A
C
A
Right
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
shouldn't
do
that
right
at
the
item
number
four
on
the
agenda:
okay,
fine,
okay,
all
right!
So
moving
on
to
the
agenda
item
number
one
on
the
agenda
is
our
consent
calendar?
It's
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
May,
ninth
2017
and
June
13
of
2017
board.
Let's
begin
with
the
minutes
of
May
9th,
please
any
comments
edits.
Sir
changes
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
Okay,
second,
okay,
I
do
have
some
changes.
We
have
a
first
in
a
second
both
mr.
A
A
Under
item
4b,
page
6
of
I
think
that's
page
5
of
it
I'm
sorry
I,
don't
see
it
that
well.
I
actually
commented
on
I
asked
for
clarification
of
noticing
of
the
agenda
for
this
item
staff.
Member
line
noted
it
is
routine
for
agendas
to
be
distributed
to
adjacent
neighborhood
organizations
within
a
half
mile
of
the
project
site.
I
just
want
to
note
that
during
today's
meeting,
I
want
to
bring
up
the
notification
issue
and
get
more
clarification.
A
It's
come
up
several
times
during
our
public
comment
this
morning,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
note
that
I'll
be
addressing
that
a
little
later
under
those
same
minutes
of
May,
9th
and
again
I
apologize.
I
think
this
is
page
3
of
8.
Again
my
comments
being
noted,
chair
John's
noted
other
sites
have
been
designated
that
were
more
deteriorated
than
this
one.
Do
you
see
that?
A
Yes,
okay,
I'd
like
to
note
that
I
did
mention
specifically
La
Sirena
villas
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
reference
the
site
that
was
more
deteriorated
than
this
one
for
our
minutes,
so
noted?
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
else
edits
on
questions
on
that
one:
okay,
we
have
a
first
in
a
second
all
in
favor
alrighty,
moving
on
to
the
June
13
minutes,
any
questions
or
edits
or
changes
a
mr.
N
M
Also,
on
page
four
under
board
member
comments
undermine
that
with
respect
to
the
last
sentence
that
says
he
noted
it
was
a
good
example
of
a
listing
that
would
potentially
I
probably
said,
did
benefit
from,
because
that
listing
did
have
historic
content
in
it,
and
so
it
was
probably
something
along
the
lines
of
that
did
benefit
because
the
listing
agent
of
historic
well
so
so
that
that
seems
a
little
bit
out
of
context.
But
what
I
would
have
said
so
I'm
not
sure
how
to
how
to
clean
up.
M
It
would
have
been.
He
noted
that
it
was
a
good
example
of
a
listing
that
did
benefit
okay,
because
the
listing
real
estate
agent
emphasized
well
I
mean
so
he
didn't
really
emphasize
the
Bennets
the
benefits
of
historic
preservation,
but
he
did
clearly
note
that
it
was
an
historic
property.
Okay,
and
so
then
I
probably
went
on
to
editorialize
how
it
would
benefit
to
elaborate
on
how
the
preservation
of
such
a
property.
L
B
A
A
Second
by
mr.
Marsh
any
further
discussion,
all
in
favor
aye.
Anyone
opposed
abstain,
I've
seen
mr.
Lavoie
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Moving
on
to
item
number
two
on
our
agenda:
public
hearings.
We
have
none
item
number
three.
On
the
agenda
unfinished
business:
we
have
none
under
new
business
for
a
an
application
by
kevin
vander,
Zaidan
owner
to
demolish
the
single-family
structure
located
at
252
North,
the
sunset
way:
a
class
three
historic
site,
zoned
r1
C.
This
is
case
number
three
point:
403
9m
a
a
10
line
staff
report,
please
Thank.
B
You
mr.
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
this
is
a
request
to
demolish
a
class.
Three
Historic
Site.
As
you
know,
any
site
or
building
within
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
that
was
constructed
prior
to
1969,
is
automatically
so
designated.
The
designation
allows
a
moment
for
the
city
and
the
HSP
be
to
consider
the
demolition
request
and
to
take
possible
action
to
stay
the
demolition
for
up
to
a
period
of
120
days
in
order
to
further
evaluate
the
site
for
possible
understanding
that
it
may
possess
historic
significance
in
this
case.
B
As
much
of
the
testimony
today
has
already
characterized.
This
is
a
home
that
was
developed,
Alexander
construction
company
in
1958
as
part
of
the
larger
tract
entitled
or
named
enchanted
homes,
which
was
a
subpart
of
the
subdivision,
originally
called
son,
more
developed
under
the
by
the
developer
of
AF
Simon
they're,
probably
the
largest
issue
that
I've
encountered
in
writing.
This
staff
report
was
the
interesting
background
that
I
was
bumping
into
with
respect
to
the
architect
and
as
many
different
people
in
the
public
have
mentioned.
B
Today,
the
the
original
area
of
sunnmøre
was
attributed
to
Wexler
in
Harrison.
As
the
architects
of
record,
as
noted
in
the
Alexander
tribute
journal
by
P
SBF,
this
ramon
rise
floorplan
that
appears
to
be
the
floorplan
used
in
this
home,
was
developed
by
Bill
kreisel.
But
as
noted
in
the
material
that
was
the
subsequent
material
that
I
gave
you,
as
well
as
by
the
member
of
the
public
JD
Nelson,
the
home
in
a
newspaper,
article
was
reported
by
Bob
Alexander
himself
as
being
by
the
architect
richard
Leach,
in
the
material
that
I
gave.
B
B
The
discussion
that
I've
focused
on
in
the
staff
report
is
the
material
that
came
out
of
the
draft
citywide
historic
resource
survey,
in
which
then
identifying
as
many
of
the
people
who
public
have
noted.
There
is
a
significant
concentration
of
homes
in
this
particular
neighborhood
and
I
want
to
just
call
to
your
attention
the
appendix
that
is
attached
to
your
staff
report
on
this
particular
topic,
in
which
I
gave
some
further
explanation
of
the
discussion
of
historic
resource,
contributing
element
in
the
statuses
of
these
items.
B
The
reason
in
the
staff
report
that
we've
identified
that
this
particular
home
is
recommended
for
you
to
take
no
action
is
recognizing
that
there
is
still
a
significant
concentration
of
contributing
or
what
appear
to
be
contributing
elements
to
this
area.
As
noted
in
the
staff
report,
and
as
has
been
the
discussion
today,
this
area
is
not
a
historic
district
currently
and
the
home
is
not
currently
designated
as
a
historic
site.
B
The
options
that
could
be
considered
by
the
board,
many
of
people
in
the
public
have
talked
about
the
quote:
unquote
opposing
the
demolition.
The
the
action
that
the
board
has
here
is
is
somewhat
limited.
The
the
action
of
taking
a
stay
of
demolition,
which
can
be
made
up
to
a
hundred
and
twenty
days
or
can
be
any
time
period
that
the
board
may
choose
to
further
help
itself.
Understand
the
significance
of
this
particular
site
is
really
the
option
that
you
have.
B
We
typically
do
not
bring
in
the
new
floor
plans
for
the
project
that's
being
proposed.
In
this
case
there
is
a
project
proposed
for
the
site
in
some
cases.
In
the
past,
the
board
has
struggled
with
demolition
requests
in
which
there
is
no
application
for
a
replacement
structure.
In
this
case,
we
do
have
an
application
in
progress
for
a
replacement
home,
a
single-family
residence
that
is
slightly
larger
than
the
current
home.
The
board's
actions
do
not
include
evaluation
of
that
new
structure.
B
It
really
is
limited
to
the
question
on
whether
the
board
feels
it
has
adequate
evidence
in
this
particular
home
to
take
any
action
and
that's
the
basis
upon
which
we
had
written.
The
staff
report
is
noting
that,
as
the
public
have
also
identified,
there
are
a
considerable
number
of
buildings
in
this
neighborhood
that
could
be
contributing
if
the
area
were
to
be
considered
for
a
possible
historic
district,
and
because
of
that,
we
identified
that
this
home,
obviously
it's
potentially
contributing,
but
enough
still
would
remain
in
the
neighborhood
for
this
integrity
to
be
intact.
B
A
B
A
M
A
I
have
a
couple
of
questions:
I
can
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
the
staff
report
and
the
clarification,
because,
as
I
read,
the
staff
report
I
kept
coming
across
in
the
conclusion
of
the
staff
report.
The
subject
dwelling
is
not
a
historic
resource.
I
saw
later.
In
that
same
paragraph,
it
was
listed
in
the
2015
citywide
survey
as
appearing
to
be
contributing,
it
went
on
to
say
it
appears
to
be
an
area
eligible
as
a
historic
district,
so
I
kept
seeing
some
some
conflict
there.
So
I
do
really
appreciate
your
clarification
on
that.
A
One
of
the
questions
that
I
have
for
you
today
and
it
came
up
several
times
during
public
comment.
What
is
the
city's
rule?
If
you
will
on
notification
as
I
understand
it?
We
have
a
500-foot
rule
of
notification
if
a
home
is
being
considered
as
a
historic
site,
but
there
is
no
notification
if
a
home
is
being
scheduled
or
being
requested
for
demolition.
Is
that
correct?
No.
B
That's
not
correct,
as
noted
in
the
last
page
of
your
staff
report,
any
matter
that
is
brought
before
the
city
border
commission,
particularly
those
within
which
we
work
within
the
planning
department,
which
is
the
AAC,
the
HSP,
be
the
Planning
Commission
and
City
Council.
Those
items
are
required
to
have
a
500-foot
radius
map
provided
in
the
staff
report.
B
That
shows
what
properties
are
within
the
500-foot
limit
of
the
subject:
property
also
per
the
city's
ordinance
neighborhood
organizations
within
a
half-mile
radius
of
a
project
site
to
be
considered
our
provided
email
notification
of
the
agendas
when
the
agendas
go
out.
Now
the
agendas
go
out
for
your
meeting
on
the
Thursday
prior,
so
usually
by
the
end
of
the
day,
on
Thursday
prior
to
your
Tuesday
meeting.
Those
agendas
have
been
posted
on
the
city's
website
and
those
emails
are
distributed
to
the
neighborhood
organizations
that
are
listed
in
the
half
mile
radius.
B
The
recent
practice
of
the
Planning
Department
has
been
to
send
those
emails
both
to
the
primary
contact
person
for
that
neighborhood
organization
that
we
have
listed
through
the
office
of
neighborhood
relations,
as
well
as
the
second
or
co-chair
of
those
neighborhood
organizations.
I
believe
I've
not
seen
them
noticing.
B
Labels
for
this
particular
one
but
I
believe
the
emails
went
out
to
both
the
primary
contact
on
the
secondary
contact
for
the
neighborhood
organizations
that
are
within
a
half
mile
radius
of
this
particular
site,
but
any
site
that
comes
before
a
city
border
commission
of
this
nature
does
go
out
through
email
notification
of
the
agendas
to
those
that
are
within
a
half
mile
radius
of
the
site.
I
thank.
A
B
Necessarily
when
you
have
a
public
hearing
which
this
particular
item
is
not
and
the
city
ordinances
define
which
items
are
to
be
handled
as
public
hearing
items
and
which
items
are
to
be
handled
as
a
matter
of
business
of
the
board.
But
if
it's
an
item
that
is
a
public
hearing
item,
then
those
property
owners
that
are
within
500
foot
radius
of
the
subject.
Property
are
actually
provided
written
notice
and
there's
also
written
notice
provided
in
the
newspaper
on
those
particular
items.
B
A
It
seems
to
me
that
something
that
brought
this
number
of
people
into
the
audience
today
should
have
been
a
public
hearing,
so
that
notification
would
have
been
more
extensive.
A
number
of
people
spoke
today
about
late
notification.
Only
learning
about
this
on
Thursday.
This
proposed
demolition
of
this
house
affects
of
great
many
people
and
for
my
next-door
neighbor,
who
is
not
on
email
for
her
to
not
be
notified
of
something
seems
to
me
to
be
a
disservice
to
the
to
that
particular
member
of
the
community.
This
is
probably
a
bigger
question.
A
Then
then
we
should
deal
with
here
and
that's
why
I
made
that
note
earlier
to
discuss
the
500
note:
a
500
foot
notification
so
I
again,
I'd
like
just
a
little
further
clarification
on
this
particular
situation
as
to
an
application
to
demolish
a
single-family
structure
is
not
a
it
does
not
qualify
for
a
public
hearing.
That's.
B
Correct
it
would
be
similar
to
major
architectural
applications.
There
are
a
number
of
different
kind
of
applications
that
do
not
require
public
hearing
notices,
so
a
major
architectural
application
could
be
something
as
large
as
an
entire
subdivision
of
new
homes,
or
it
could
be
as
large
as
a
major
shopping
center.
Those
types
of
projects
are
also
not
required
to
be
public
hearing
items.
The
city
does,
though,
however,
do
those
notifications,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
on
those
types
of
cases.
A
N
B
No,
your
action
today
would
complete
the
action
at
the
moment
of
this
particular
item.
You
would
be
staying
this
potential
demolition
for
some
purpose.
Normally,
you,
the
board,
stays
a
demolition
in
order
for
it
to
initiate
study,
the
board
could
initiate
a
stay
in
order
for
the
neighborhood
to
initiate
a
study
or
submit
an
application.
B
The
board
could
also
initiate
to
stay
if
there
was
a
dialogue
that
were
to
occur
between
the
owner
and
the
board
over
some
alternative
approach,
so
the
stays
generally
are
done
to
enable
time
or
to
put
in
place
a
pause
so
that
some
other
additional
information
can
be
provided
as
I
say.
Normally,
you
guys
are
putting
stays
on
things
in
order
to
actually
initiate
study.
This
may
be
one
of
those
where
you
are
initiating.
B
If
you
choose
to
a
stay
that
might
allow
the
neighborhood
organization
to
submit
an
application,
this
could
be
a
stay
in
which
you
might
seek
additional
information
from
a
property
owner
or
you
may
choose
to
put
no
stay
on
it.
The
point
at
which
a
stay
could
lead
to
an
item
being
a
public
hearing
is
if
it
comes
back
to
the
board
in
such
a
way
that
the
board
requests
a
public
hearing
in
order
to
actually
consider
a
potential
recommendation
for
Historic,
Site,
designation
or
historic
district
designation.
Does
that
make
sense.
N
Sort
of
feel
like
we're
in
a
vise
I
understand
what
you're,
saying
and
I
appreciate
your
your
explanation,
but
again,
I
know
my
four
years
on
the
board:
I,
don't
think
I've
seen
going
back
to
what
Gary
was
making
mention
of
such
an
immediate
response.
That
just
happened
through
without
any
notification.
So
imagine
if
there
was
a
notification
that
went
out
could
be
even
a
larger
audience.
N
It's
just
that
this
is
such
a
sense
that
it
matter
I
mean
this
is
this.
This
is
just
an
example.
It's
just
key
to
what
this
town
is
all
about,
and
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
having
modernism
week.
If
we
just
continued
to
have
these
kinds
of
things,
just
like
okay,
let's
just
tear
it
down
so
I
feel
we
have
to
do
something
so
anyway,
I.
Let
somebody
else
speak.
M
So
I
I
do
have
a
question.
We
keep
lumping
together.
Son
Moore
and
enchanted
Holmes
and
I
understand
that
son
Moore,
when
it
was
originally
laid
out,
included
this
entire
blocked
blocked
tract
of
land.
But
what
actually
happened
is
some
more
estates
was
developed
that
was
changed
and
sold,
and
then
the
alexander's
came
in
and
then
developed
enchanted
homes
and
Enchanted
homes
was
developed
as
a
in
three
separate
phases.
M
So
if
you
look
at
the
back
page
of
this,
it
basically
lays
that
out
where
it
has
the
boundary
track
for
son
Moore,
and
then
it
has
the
boundary
track
for
in
chanted
homes
and
so
I.
Think
part
of
my
confusion
is
why
are
we
lumping
them
together
when
there
are
two
really
separate
tracks?
And
my
confusion
leads
to
concern
because,
if,
in
the
eventualities
that
either
son,
Moore
or
enchanted
doesn't
need
want
to
become
an
historic
district,
they're
required
to
have
two
thirds
contributing
structures
in
that
district.
M
They've
already
lost
32
of
those
structures,
so
they
are
no
longer
contributing
and
they
are
right
at
the
cusp
of
not
having
2/3
to
being
able
to
be
named
an
historic
district
taking
out
the
son
more
homes,
so
I
guess
losing
one
more
home
could
indeed
in
the
future,
preclude
them
from
being
able
to
become
an
historic
district,
so
losing
even
one
home
now
does
become
of
even
greater
significance
than
just
losing
that
one
home
by
itself.
So
I
guess.
M
B
The
information
that
you
see
with
respect
to
the
proposed
area
that
appears
to
be
eligible
as
historic
district
was
identified
by
architect
or
historic,
Resources
Group
out
of
Pasadena,
who
did
the
citywide
historic
resource
survey
right.
So
there
is
no
magic
about
what
the
boundaries
of
any
particular
historic
district
could
or
might
be
right.
This
is
simply
one
that
the
consultant
as
they
did
their
citywide
reconnaissance
survey
found
was
a
a
reasonable
concentration
of
resources
that
could
potentially
be
identified
as
a
historic
district.
Could
they
be
separate?
B
Yes,
they
could
could
one
be
enchanted
homes
as
a
historic
district
and
one
be
son
Mart?
Yes,
it
could.
The
two-thirds
comment
that
you
mentioned
is
not
part
of
our
ordinance.
So
while
it
is
a
good
rule
of
thumb
in
our
ordinance
refers
to
a
significant
concentration
of
historic
resources,
the
two-thirds
rule
that
you
mentioned
is
not
one
that
our
particular
ordinance
requires,
but
that's
the
reason
why
this
particular
area
was
identified.
Okay,.
L
I
O
And
you're
correct
mr.
Marsh,
one
of
the
things
that
the
board
has
discussed
previously
prior
to
you,
Veta
member
of
the
board,
is
to
discuss
changes
to
the
city's
demolition
policy.
Number
Birkett
brings
us
up
on
a
regular
basis,
reminding
me
of
my
assignment
to
continue
forward
with
that,
as
we
look
at
larger
changes
to
our
historic
preservation
order.
We'll
also
look
at
that
as
part
of
them,
but
we
have
noted
that
as
being
a
concern
of
the
board,
and
we
will
continue
to
work
on
that
I'm.
I
O
Me
just
say
that
the
item
that
you
have
on
your
agenda
today
is
the
standard
practice
for
demolition
permits
of
class.
Three
structures
as
board
members
can
attest.
We've
had
quite
a
number
of
these
in
the
past.
We
follow
the
same
procedures
for
this
type
of
application.
Every
time
mr.
Lyon
has
already
described
the
process
for
notifying
the
neighborhood's
etc.
O
But
it
is
not
a
public
hearing
item
the
code
does
not
specify
it
as
being
a
public
hearing
item,
so
this
is
the
opportunity
for
the
board
to
review
a
proposed
demolition
of
a
class
three
structure
and
make
a
determination
of
either
no
action
or
possibility
of
further
study
of
the
item.
So
again,
this
is
a
standard
application
and
procedure
for
a
demolition
permit
of
a
class
three
structure.
I
Okay,
our
information
indicates
that
this
is
a
potential
contributory
of
structure
to
a
potential
historic
district
based
on
a
reconnaissance
survey.
Work
of
a
couple
of
years
ago,
I
gather
from
the
information
here
and
the
site,
etc
that
this,
because
there
well
I,
can't
say
that,
but
it
would
appear
that
this
is
not
a
class
one
site.
So
the
neighborhood
could
not
initiate
a
class
1
designation
for
the
for
this
particular
structure,
but
it
might
be
a
contributory
structure
to
a
district
if
a
district
were
proposed.
B
Not
that
I'm,
aware
of
mr.
chair
I
would
call
to
your
attention
within
your
packet
on
the
issue
of
what
is
the
square
footage
we're
talking
about
the
last
building.
Permit
is
the
original
building
permit
for
this
home,
it's
a
bit
hard
to
read,
but
there
you
see
that
it's
basically
I
think
it's
twelve.
Eighty
five
and
the
garages
or
carport
is
listed
I.
Think
346,
that's
how
you're
the
applicants
representative
is
getting
to
this
number
of
around
1500
understood.
B
A
C
We
are
party
as
a
board
to
information
of
the
survey
intimately
involved
in
in
that
whole
very
long
process.
The
City
Council
has
yet
to
adopt
that
survey,
I
believe
so
that
that
document
has
not
become
public
knowledge.
Yet,
however,
that
document
gives
us
information
and
identifies
certain
structures
as
contributing
non-contributing
and
the
discussion
of
the
reasons
why
it
identifies
certain
neighborhoods
as
being
potentially
historic.
C
This
structure
and
this
neighborhood
are
Mona,
and
unfortunately,
this
city
doesn't
really
understand
what
an
historic
district
is.
We
only
have
one
and
even
the
City
Council
admitted
that
they
weren't
quite
sure
what
it
meant
the
other
day,
and
so
we
have
work
to
do.
I
think
this
brings
up
sort
of
like
an
issue.
Do
you
allow
change
in
an
historic
district?
If
we
know
its
potential
historic
district,
we
have
the
documentation
identifying
it.
C
C
Take
an
action
to
stay
a
demolition
for
sufficient
period
for
the
pursuit
of
a
designation
of
the
neighborhood
and
identifying
this
particular
particular
structure
as
contributed
and
as
Palm
Springs
identifies
historic
districts.
It
does
allow
our
current
ordinance
does
allow
new
buildings
and
changes
to
buildings
if
they
are
consistent
with
the
guidelines.
A
Seeing
none
mr.
Lavoie
is
that
a
would
you
make
that
emotion,
please
I
so
move
second,
so
in
the
discussion
here,
mr.
Lavoie,
in
initiating
a
stay
of
demolition,
which
would
enact
a
further
study.
So,
as
the
staff
pointed
out
to
us,
we
have
the
board
can
initiate
a
further
study.
The
neighbourhood
can
initiate
a
further
study
or
an
outside
an
individual
can
initiate.
A
study.
Do
I.
Have
that
correct,
correct
which
do
you
prefer
as
a
part
of
your
motion,.
C
A
A
B
Well,
that's
that's
debatable.
I
guess,
I
think,
there's
pros
and
cons
to
either
approach.
If
the
board
initiates
the
study,
it
becomes
a
study
and
a
project
that
the
city
has
initiated.
It's
going
to
be
that
at
that
point,
a
study
that
the
city
imposes
with
a
recommendation
from
the
board
through
the
City
Council
on
the
neighborhood.
B
O
Does
let
me
offer
this
as
well,
based
on
the
2015
study
by
historic,
Resources
Group
in
terms
of
the
actual
neighborhood,
what
could
be
contributing?
What
is
designated
as
non-contributing?
Seventy-Five
percent
of
that
work
is
already
completed
through
the
study
that
the
city
commissioned
itself
really
the
other
part
of
that,
as
mr.
O
Lyon
has
indicated,
his
outreach
on
the
part
of
the
neighborhood
go
organization
to
the
property
owners
within
the
neighborhood
to
help
them
understand
what
designation
means
to
them
and
staff
would
certainly
offer
that
support
to
the
neighborhood
organization
in
meeting
with
them
and
the
neighborhood
group
to
go
through
the
explanation
of
that
process.
But
again
in
terms
of
the
information
that's
necessary
to
make
a
determination
of
whether
or
not
this
qualifies
as
a
historic
district.
75%
of
the
work
is
already
done.
Okay,.
F
Confident,
however,
we
haven't
had
the
time
to
reach
out
to
our
neighborhood
as
a
whole
to
see
if
this
is
in
fact
something
that
we
want
to
pursue.
We
did
pull
paperwork
yesterday
from
the
Planning
Department.
We
are
having
a
board
meeting
on
next
Tuesday
and
it
is
an
agenda
item
and
the
neighbors
have
been
alerted
to
that
agenda.
A
C
A
question
that
Lisa,
if
so,
they
have
120
days
to
submit
that
document
to
the
city,
not
not
adoption
of
that
dock.
My
correct
repeat
your
question.
Okay,
if
we
have
a
stay
of
demolition
for
120
days,
that
means
that
the
public
has
120
days
to
submit
the
designating
document,
not
adoption
by
the
City
Council.
No,
the
latter.
B
The
stay
would
conclude
at
the
end
of
120
days.
The
ordinance
allows
for
an
additional
extension
of
the
stay
up
to
180
days,
okay,
but
that
is
the
maximum,
and
so,
if
either
the
board
or
the
city
or
the
community,
the
neighborhood
wishes
to
pursue
a
historic
district
application
and
get
it
to
the
City
Council
for
consideration.
That
needs
to
happen
within
that
time
frame.
A
E
J
A
B
Mr.
chairs,
there
was
a
request
from
the
board
that
have
an
update
on
the
status
of
these
various
reports,
and
what
I
can
tell
you
at
this
time
is
that
these
three
initiatives
have
the
Professional
Services
Consultant
under
contract,
and
we
will
begin
scheduling
their
time
out
to
Palm
Springs
on
these
various
sites.
In
the
coming
days,
I've
had
conversations
with
the
professional
consultants
on
each
one
of
them,
and
the
only
thing
that
has
been
keeping
me
from
getting
them.
A
B
It's
just
it's
just
there
I
understand
staff.
Member
Frank
was
here
to
actually
give
a
brief
update
on
the
City
Council
dais,
and
he
may
be
able
to
give
us
an
update
on
Cornelia
white
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
current
new
action
on
Cornelia
white,
but
I've
not
had
a
chance
to
talk
with
Franco
about
that.
So
maybe,
when
he
comes
up
to
briefly
share
with
you,
the
progress
on
the
council
dais,
he
can
share
with
you
any
new
information
he
has
on
Cornelia
white.
Thank.
A
B
N
A
P
Morning,
gentlemen,
how
are
you
we
as
Franco,
saying
we're
plowing
forth,
so
to
speak,
just
to
refresh
your
memory
a
little
bit?
The
idea
here
is
to
retain
a
mid-century
direction
that
mr.
Frey
had
initially
created
here
in
the
dais
interior,
and
so
we're
going
ahead
with
the
new
cabinetry
and
workstations
with
the
white
birch
material
that
mr.
Frey
had
initially
used.
P
Reimagining
of
the
initial
design,
and
that
would
be
in
the
white
birch.
This
is
the
control
sample
and
I
can
pass
this
around.
So
you
all
can
see
it,
and
then
this
small
piece
is
the
actual
finished
sample
that
was
delivered
to
me
here
for
approval.
This
is
a
few
iterations
to
get
it
to
this
point.
So.
P
And
I'll
fast
around
there's
a
secondary
color,
which
was
these
are
dyed
white
birch.
They
are
not
staying
there
dyed
white
birch,
so
we
can
pop
the
grain
and
enjoy
the
wood
aspect
of
it.
So
here's
the
the
secondary
color,
which
is
the
additional
cabinetry
that
sits
on
top
of
the
original
excuse
me,
the
original
Dyess
white
birch
that
now
this
is
the
piece
that
sits
on
top
of
the
workstations
that
has
the
new
technology,
and
this
is
a
separate
piece
essentially
that
sits
on
top.
So
that's
why
we
change
the
finish.
Work
and
I.
P
P
B
P
P
B
You
any
questions.
N
Regards
to
the
Cornelia
white
house,
I've
seen
a
few
emails
floating
around.
We
recently
received
a
proposal
in
which
we
turned
around
professional
services.
Agreement
with
the
structural
engineer,
I
believe
the
structural
engineer
is
working
with
DW
Johnston
towards
you
know
the
Cornelia
whitehouse
improvements.
N
A
O
E
B
B
Purchaser,
they
are
waiting
for
that
purchaser
to
come
forward
and
enter
into
or
open
up
escrow
with
the
city.
Concurrent
with
that,
there
is
a
development
project
that
was
submitted
called
the
zinc
resort.
That
project
went
through
AAC
once
and
had
considerable
comments
from
the
AAC.
The
applicant
has
been
spending
several
months
reworking
the
design
of
that
project,
and
they
had
advised
me
that
they
would
have
a
revised
design
submitted
to
us.
B
Midsummer
we're
approaching
midsummer,
so
I
expect
that,
probably
towards
the
latter
part
of
July
I
would
expect
to
see
a
revised
application
on
the
new
development
come
in
the
development
that
we
had
previously
seen
incorporated
the
facade
of
the
cork
and
bottle
with
a
new
retail
structure
built
behind
it.
I
don't
know
what
the
new
scheme
would
be
and
I
don't
know
anymore
about
where
they
are
in
terms
of
opening
escrow.
B
O
N
N
B
N
M
And
then
so
that
180
like
when
we
did
our
one
for
the
sunset
house,
we
couldn't
have
done
it
for
a
hundred
and
eighty
you
have
to
do
120
and
then,
and
then
when
can
we
do
the
additional
60?
Is
it
like
the
meeting
before
it
expires
or
yes,
okay?
So
in
the
case
of
what
dick
was
asking,
if
the
Crocker
Bank
doesn't
get
resolved
by
October,
then
we
can
add
another
60
days
on
to
that
stay.
That's
correct!
Okay!
Thank
you,
then,.
N
N
We've
been
talking
about
that
did
you
know
and
in
that,
in
that
little
research
I've
been
doing,
I
found
the
top
10
myths
about
historic
preservation,
which
this
would
be
really
great
for
Realtors
I,
think,
and
it
goes
through.
There's
ten
different
things
and
questions,
and
then
FAQs
and
answers
I'd
be
happy
to
give
this
information
and
a
link
to
to
staff
if
they
feel
it
good
to
circulate
or
the
other
numbers
to
see.
But
I
would
like
to
see
us
pursue
as
we
get
into
the
ball
back.
N
It's
out
there
magazine
I,
don't
know
if
you're
all
familiar
with
it
or
not.
It's
like
15
bucks
to
become
a
member
of
this
and
and
they've
got
some
great
articles
this
one
particularly
about
Nitra,
The,
Painted
Desert
project
that
he
did
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
to
the
gang
as
well
and
I.
Think
maybe
we
want
to
put
on
think
about.
O
The
idea
that
you've
brought
forward
today
is
that
perhaps
demo
needs
to
be
a
public
hearing
is
something
that
we
can
certainly
incorporate
as
part
of
those
proposed
changes
and
forward
that
on
to
City
Council
for
consideration.
As
we
talk
about
demolition,
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
it
doesn't
just
impact
Historic,
Site,
preservation
board.
It
impacts
the
Building
and
Safety
Department.
So
we
need
to
get
their
input
in
that
as
well.
A
Korkin
bottle
back
to
the
cork
involvement
and
I'm
almost
embarrassed
to
mention
this,
but
because
I
attend
AAC
meetings
and
because
I
go
to
Planning
Commission
meetings.
I
feel
like
I'm
a
little
more
familiar
with
this
project.
Then
then
I
would
otherwise
be.
But
we
saw
the
cork
Ambala
project
here
at
the
HS
PV.
Did
we
not.
B
B
A
That
I
meant
specifically
the
facade
of
the
cork
and
bottle
that,
as
opposed
to
just
the
facade,
some
depth
of
the
facade
be
included.
I,
don't
know
what
that
was,
but
again,
so
just
so,
I'm
remembering
it.
So
there
was
some
discussion
about
that.
As
this
project
gets
redesigned,
will
we
see
it
again
most?
Definitely,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
A
A
Nomination
of
a
home
as
a
historic
class,
one
site,
I
feel
I
would
be
more
impacted
by
the
demolition
of
a
neighbor's
home
over
it
being
designated
as
a
class
one.
So
I'd
really
like
to
stress
encourage
that
staff
continue
to
keep
this
on
the
front
burner
so
that
we
have
a
better
notification
policy
of
demolitions
class
one's
understanding
that
an
email
went
out
to
the
leaders
of
the
neighborhood
organizations.
A
C
E
C
They
haven't
heard
that
before
what
they.
What
they
asked
of
me,
though,
goes
to,
as
is,
we
need
to
be
better
advocates
for
the
public
understanding
what
it
means
to
be
an
historic
district,
I
guess
it
came
to
a
head
in
the
recent
750
lost
appeal,
I,
believe
the
project
is
and
and
I
had
mentioned
to
them.
C
The
public
needs
to
know
what
that
means,
and
so
perhaps
at
our
next
next
year's
event,
that
that
might
be
a
significant
topic
of
discussion
and
invite
the
neighborhood
groups
and
talk
to
them
what
it
means
to
be
an
historic
district
and
perhaps
even
have
that
discussion
with
the
City
Council,
so
that
we
all
understand
what
that
and
what
that
means
then
we're
on
the
same
page
with
it
when
we
encourage
neighborhoods
to
come
forward
with
that
designation
I
mentioned
some
of
the
stuff.
It's
yeah
there
there's
a.
C
C
What
can
you
add
to
it
and
there's
a
large
discussion
about
size,
bulk
and
scale,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
match
in
style,
but
it
has
to
be
compatible
and
look
like
it
belongs
in
the
neighborhood,
which
is
why
I
was
so
anxious
to
take
a
look
at
the
of
the
drawings,
because
I
could
tell
from
here
that
that
design
did
not
fit
Palm.
Springs
period
this
neighborhood.
Secondly,
yeah
it's,
it's
vaguely
mid-century
modern,
but
it's
not
Palm
Springs.
A
Agree-
and
we
did
have
the
one
Realtors
address
us
today-
Karen
I
forgot
the
last
name
but
she's
right.
We
do
need
more
education,
more
enlightenment,
because
there
needs
to
be
more
understanding,
education,
disclosure.
She
spoke
about
a
disclosure,
that's
up
to
another
group
to
discuss
they'll.
Have
you
been
notified
that
you
have
been
reappointed?
Yes,
I
got
a
call
yesterday.
Okay
and
dick
did
you?
Yes,
that's.
A
Well.
Congratulations.
Gentlemen:
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
on
that
note,
though,
one
year
ago,
during
the
HSP
be
interviews,
I
was
invited
to
attend
and
sit
in
on
the
interviews
not
as
an
interviewer,
but
just
to
sit
in
and
observe.
The
interviews
counsel,
then,
did
ask
me
a
few
questions
fast
forward
to
this
year.
During
the
interviews,
I
was
only
invited
to
attend
the
interviews
two
hours
prior
to
the
interviews.
A
The
point
I've
gone
through
everyone
I
know
Gary
really
very
much
like
to
have
been
included
again,
and
it
seems
to
me
whether
it's
the
chair
of
this
board
or
the
AAC
or
whatever
the
other
boards
are
in
town
that
have
reinter
viewing
or
processes
that
maybe
we
just
need
a
policy.
It
may
be
hard
yeah.
A
She
was
almost
embarrassed
to
be
calling
me
two
hours
prior
to
the
meeting
prior
to
the
interviews,
so
I'd
like
there
to
be
maybe
some
some
clarification
on
who
gets
invited
when
they
get
invited
and
all
of
that
it's
there,
because
I
would
have
definitely
been
I
would
like
to
have
been
there
to
both
support
you,
as
you
re
interviewed,
and
those
other
applicants
that
interviewed
I.
Don't
have
anything
else.
Any
other
board
comments.
I
O
Actually
have
to
Reno
tiss
the
item
and
bring
it
back
before
the
historic
site,
Preservation
Board.
We
will
tentatively
schedule
that
for
the
September
meeting,
I
believe
mr.
Lyon
has
been
in
contact
with
the
property
owner.
The
concern
on
the
part
of
the
City
Council
was
that
we
had
the
incorrect
address
for
the
property
owner.
O
It
was
listed
incorrectly
in
the
Riverside
County
database,
and
so
it
was
a
concern
that
they
didn't
receive
proper
notice,
HSP
be
meeting,
and
so
consequently,
city
council
did
not
want
to
hear
the
item
until
proper
notice
have
been
given
before
the
HS
PP,
so
we'll
bring
that
back
in
september
have
a
proper
hearing
and
we
will
go
forward.
Okay,.
I
O
O
Got
a
couple
of
items
just
very
quickly
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr.
Lyon.
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
the
downtown
Park
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
July,
the
20th
at
6:00
p.m.
here
at
the
Convention
Center.
As
you're
aware,
the
board
did
send
a
letter
requesting
that
certain
items
be
included
in
the
design
of
the
park
will
also
enter
that
into
the
record
for
the
meeting
itself.
O
But
if
board
members
would
like
to
attend
and
offer
that
as
public
comment,
that
would
be
very
helpful,
I
think
and
so
again
that
is
on
July
the
20th.
Also
with
now
the
reappointment
of
our
two
members,
mr.
Lavoie
and
mr.
Burkett.
We
need
to
schedule
the
election
of
the
chair
and
vice-chair
and
we'll
have
that
on
your
September
agenda.
Since
we
are
dark
in
August
and
I
think
that's
everything
I
have
and
then
mr.
Lyon,
you
had.
A
About
ten
days
ago,
a
gentleman
and
I
have
it
on
my
notes
at
home,
a
gentleman
from
mark
Rios's
office
reached
out
to
me,
I'm,
assuming
that
is
in
response
to
our
letter.
Yes,
his
his
initial
question
was:
could
I
help
him
locate
the
gates,
I
notionally
know
where
these
gates
are,
but
I
would
not
be
the
person
to
contact
relative
to
the
location
of
the
gates.
So
we'll.
B
One
most
important
thing
I
want
to
mention
to
you
is
we
have
finished
the
last
fiscal
year
and
the
end
of
basically
last
year's
work
plan
for
the
HSB
B,
so
I'm
going
to
be
preparing
material
for
you
in
September
for
you
to
develop
your
work
plan
for
the
1718
work
year.
As
you
know,
in
the
past
several
years
the
work
plan
has
included
several
parts.
You've
had
an
education
component,
you've
had
an
outreach
component
and
you've
had
an
area
of
six
or
so
properties
that
you've
identified
around
the
city.
B
That
are
your
top
priorities
that
you
want
to
pursue,
making
recommendations
for
class
one
designation.
These
work
plans
are
important
and
they're
important
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
preservation
board
and
this
board
as
the
city's
agent
in
that
topic,
doing
what
I
call
getting
out
in
front
of
the
bulldozers.
B
It's
one
thing
to
say:
oh
there's,
a
there's,
a
demo
request
in
everybody
there's
a
flurry
of
activity,
but
if
there's
really
something
that's
significantly
historically
important
in
our
city,
we
shouldn't
be
waiting
for
the
bulldozers
to
arrive.
The
board
should
be
taking
action
and
initiating
preemptively
those
sites
that
it
feels
are
significant
enough
in
terms
of
conveying
an
important
component
of
Palm
Springs
history,
and
that's
why
the
work
program
is
important.
The
second
aspect
of
it
which
we
are
behind
on
at
the
staff
level,
is
this
outreach
issue.
B
We
had
talked
about
in
last
year's
work
plan
that
we
would
facilitate
the
creation
of
a
presentation
to
the
Realtors
board
and
I
think
we've
seen
now
to
demo
requests
where
this
is
really
an
acute
issue,
where
realtor's
misrepresent
what
can
be
done
with
the
class-1
structures.
You
hear
people
say
all
the
time.
Nothing
can
be
done
to
a
class-one
structure.
Well,
you
know
that's
the
furthest
from
the
truth.
You've
also
had
situations
here
where
people
have
gone
in
expecting
to
buy
a
house
as
a
teardown
only
to
run
into
a
a
process.
B
That's
involved
with
helping
the
community
make
a
decision
on
that
question,
so
our
outreach
efforts,
which
primarily
the
board,
does
a
stellar
job
through
the
symposium
and
the
national
preservation
month.
There
are
other,
very
important
pieces
of
community
outreach
that
you've
talked
about
that.
We
recognize
we
have
an
important
part
to
play
to
help
support
you
in
that,
and
that
Realtors
that
realtor's
outreach
presentation,
I
had
spoken
with
Flynn
is
one
that
hopefully,
during
the
month
of
August
while
we
are
dark,
will
hopefully
give
us
a
bit
of
time
to
put
that
thing
together.
B
B
A
On
that
note
touch
just
one
second,
please,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
the
work
plan
back
up.
Yes,
I
think
the
presentations,
the
realtors
there's
something
that
we've
discussed
it
a
number
of
times,
and
we
do.
We
do
need
to
do
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
welcomed
by
the
Realtors.
I
saw
a
number
of
Realtors
here
in
the
room
today.
A
A
A
B
N
Should
could
be
considered
for
nomination
and
what
brings
what
brings
us
to
mind
is
when
we
think
about
the
talk.
What's
applause?
Oh,
you
know
that
that
wasn't
a
no
it's
necessarily
anybody's
radar
screen
per
se
until
the
issue
came
up,
but
a
wonderfully
helpful
to
have
a
sort
of
a
master
list
of
properties
that
we
would
identify
under.
You
know
that
would
at
some
point
come
under
consideration.
You.
B
O
We're
right
yeah
as
part
of
the
2015
survey,
you
do
have
a
list
of
potentially
instructors
that
could
potentially
be
designated
for
class.
One
designation,
that's
a
good
starting
point
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
work
plan
and
items
that
you
think
should
come
forward
for
class.
One
designation,
one
of
the
things
to
keep
in
mind.
For
example,
talk
whit's
Plaza,
it's
not
even
a
class
three
structure.
It
was
built
after
1969,
so
it's
not
even
going
to
appear
on
the
list.
O
M
M
O
M
B
Many
as
we
can
make
the
money
stretch
right,
yeah,
the
last
three
or
four
I
mean
I,
got
barely
under
the
wire
to
get
into
this
fiscal
year.
Budget
I,
don't
know
how
it
happened.
Thank
you.
Just
extremely
lucky
have
a
lot
of
begging
and
speaking
nicely
to
a
lot
of
people
on
the
finance
side,
so
yeah
they
were
good.
They
were
good
to
help
us
with
that,
but.