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Description
Study Session followed by Regular Meeting of the City if Palm Springs Planning Commission, held September 13th, 2023
A
Oops
good
afternoon,
I
want
to
welcome
you
to
the
September
13th
2023
meeting
of
the
Palm
Springs
Planning
Commission,
and
we
we're
meeting
for
a
four
o'clock
study
session
for
members
of
before
we
take
role.
I
just
wanted
to
make
an
announcement
that
I'm,
not
sure
everybody
is
aware
of.
Commissioner
Olean
is
on
a
four-month
leap
of
absence.
A
She
because
she
is
so
skilled.
She's,
been
tapped
to
act
as
a
temporary
head
of
the
city's
public
works
department
and
she's
filling
in
for
a
person
with
a
director
with
a
medical
absence
and
the
second.
The
second
command
is
retiring
soon,
so
she's
she's
there
to
do
some
training
and
to
do
fill
in,
but
she
has
promised
us.
She
will
be
back
in
January
and
she
is
required
in
her
agreement
with
the
city
that
they'll
let
her
come
back
in
January.
A
A
C
A
A
The
discussion
item
is
a
request
by
Palm
Springs
Canyon
Development
LLC,
for
a
study
session
to
review
preliminary
plans
for
a
two-story
industrial
building
with
a
building
area
of
739
360
square
feet
for
warehouse
and
offices
on
38
acres
located
in
the
northwest
corner
of
North
Indian
Canyon
Drive
and
19th
Avenue
zoned
M2
case
number
three,
three,
four,
three
six
one
and
the
recommendation
is
that
we
take
no
formal
action,
but
we
provide
comments
to
the
applicant,
which
is
what
we
will
do
tonight's
staff
report.
Please
thank.
F
You,
madam
chair
Glenn,
Miller,
associate
planner,
so
the
project
that's
before
you
for
this
study
session
is
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
We
felt
that
it
was
important
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
get
a
preview
of
what
this
project
will
be.
So
it
includes
a
tentative
track
map
a
major
development
permit
and
then
a
major
architectural
application.
As
you
read
into
the
record,
it's
a
two-story
Warehouse
fulfillment
center
727
000
square
feet
with
12
000
square
feet
set
aside
for
office
space
within
the
building.
F
The
zone
is
M2
which
does
allow
their
use
as
a
permitted
use.
This
is
an
aerial
photograph
showing
the
location
of
the
site.
It's
at
North,
Indian,
Canyon
and
18th
Avenue
when
you
are
going
north
on
the
city
across
the
I-10.
This
is
in
the
industrial
area,
where
there's
lots
of
windmills
the
city
of
desert
hot
springs
is
to
the
the
east
on
the
left
of
the
yellow
line
and
the
City
of
Palm
Springs
is
on
the
right
or
the
West.
F
There
is
a
series
of
other
Warehouse
buildings
that
are
to
the
South
and
the
peaker
plant,
which
is
an
energy
use
to
the
West
in
looking
at
development
standards.
We
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
this,
but
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
building
as
it's
situated
and
we'll
get
to
the
site
plan
in
just
a
minute
meets
all
the
development
standards
that
are
proposed.
One
item
that
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
the
maximum
Building
height.
F
The
M2
Zone
allows
for
both
a
60-foot
high
building
and
a
95
foot
high
building.
The
difference
between
those
two
is
what
the
setbacks
would
be,
so
the
taller,
the
building,
the
greater
the
setback
in
this
building
they're
asking
for
60
feet
and
they
do
meet
all
the
setbacks
before
the
proposal.
Another
part
of
the
development
is
the
parking
that's
required
for
building
this
large.
It's
divided
into
multiple
types
of
how
many
square
feet
is
in
the
building,
so
the
first
100
000,
then
the
second
hundred
thousand
and
the
remaining.
F
So
the
required
is
311
spaces,
they're,
providing
736
spaces
and
the
as
the
applicant
comes
up
and
discusses
the
project.
They
can
describe
the
the
need
for
that
many
parking
spaces.
It
not
only
involves
car
spaces
or
for
the
workers,
but
also
for
trucks
and
as
a
distribution
center
fulfillment
center.
That's
the
main
purpose
of
the
the
project
in
your
packets.
There
is
a
site
plan.
I
know
this
is
a
very
large
building
and
it's
hard
to
see
in
this
plan,
but
in
looking
at
circulation
for
the
the
development.
F
When
you
come
up,
Indian
Canyon
right
here
on
19th
I'm,
sorry,
18th
Avenue.
This
will
be
I'm,
sorry,
19th
Avenue.
This
will
be
widened
currently
and
I
have
a
photograph
of
the
street
farther
in
the
presentation.
It's
the
Half
street
is
built
on
the
developed
side
and
they
will
be
widening
the
street
to
allow
trucks
to
enter
the
main
circulation
point
is
at
the
back
of
the
site,
there's
a
gate
that
will
regulate
the
traffic
so
in
the
site
plan
cars
will
park
in
the
front
here
and
then
truck
traffic
is
to
the
rear.
F
They
provide
a
landscape
plan
showing
the
landscaping
for
the
areas
where
the
automobiles
will
park.
This
is
a
requirement
that
they
provide
shading
of
the
parking
lot
for
the
vehicles,
there'll
be
a
low
wall
that
will
be
added
along
Indian.
That's
also
a
code
requirement
that
parking
lot
areas
be
be
screened.
F
F
Also
in
your
packet
there's
a
series
of
architectural
drawings
that
show
the
design
that
they're
proposed.
As
you
as
I
mentioned,
it's
50
feet
tall
and
they're,
using
different
methods
to
break
the
architecture,
the
building
elevation
up
with
glass
use
of
Stucco,
there's
some
Stone
different
colors
Grays
and
some
greens
and
different
whites.
The
bottom
is
the
east
facing
elevation,
and
this
is
what
you
would
see
when
you
are
driving
along
North
Indian,
Canyon
Drive.
F
F
Just
filtering
through
some
other
designs
or
drawings
of
the
building
and
their
team
that
is
here,
can
give
you
a
greater
description
and
site
photographs.
As
I
mentioned,
the
site
is
very
flat
with
a
scrub
brush,
crease,
oat
and
you'll
see
the
wind
energy
turbines.
In
the
background,
this
is
a
picture
of
19th
Avenue
with
Indian
Canyon.
As
I
mentioned,
the
south
side
of
the
street
is
developed.
The
north
side
is
not.
This
is
looking
into
the
building
or
into
the
site
towards
the
the
north.
F
One
thing
I
want
to
describe
is
that
part
of
the
widening
or
the
development
of
the
project
requires
a
median
be
put
in
North
Indian
Canyon
from
this
project
the
whole
length.
There
is
a
another
proposal
that
is
coming
before
the
Planning
Commission
for
another
Warehouse
building
to
the
north
of
this
property,
and
that
will
be
developed
in
conjunction
with
that
project
as
it
comes
forward
and
we
have
Rickman
Harris
from
engineering
to
discuss
any
kind
of
circulation
or
questions
of
driveways
and
development
along
North
Indian.
F
G
A
number
of
people,
so
it
might
be,
it
might
be
a
little
bit
easier,
but
we
we
don't
really
have
a
formal
presentation
other
than
really.
We
wanted
to
listen
as
much
as
we
as
we
can
to
what
your
concerns
are,
but
I
thought
we
would
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
each
one
of
the
architect,
and
the
engineer
would
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
project.
Mr
Malacca
did
a
very
good
job
of.
A
G
A
G
G
G
We
have
here
from
the
Snyder
team
from
the
Snyder
company
we
have,
our
head
of
construction
is
Ray
Orsini,
my
daughter,
Mar
is
head
of
operations,
and
my
son
is
part
of
our
construction
team.
We
have
our.
The
architect
is
a
firm
that
we're
very
happy
to
have
as
our
architect
and
feel
really
fortunate.
G
There
on
our
team
is
called
where
Malcolm
Eric
Nam
Miss
miak,
yes,
okay,
Eric
is
the
architect
one
of
the
architects
of
record
and
he'll,
be
able
to
speak
more
detailed
or
answer
any
questions
about
the
architecture,
and
then
we
have
had
doing
all
the
engineering
on
the
project,
all
the
civil
engineering
and
then
conducting
and
quarterbacking.
The
environmental
impact
report
is
MSA
and
Mike
Rowe
from
MSA
and
Nicole
van
are
here.
G
Along
with
us,
our
company
has
been
in
the
the
company
in
its
current,
our
the
Snyder
company
and
its
current
ownership
basically
has
been
around
since
19.
In
the
late
80s,
we
were
formed
and
we've
been
a
developer,
an
investor
doing
ground
up
mostly
ground
up
development
since
then,
so
we've
been
around
a
while
this
project
and
again
I
think
Glenn
did
a
very
good
job
of
describing
the
project.
G
This.
The
the
this
will
be
a
first
of
its
kind
in
Palm
Springs
for
a
large
building
like
this.
So
we
do
understand
the
that
you
are
all
a
very
Discerning
group
and
that
Palm
Springs
in
general
is
a
very
Discerning
group,
especially
as
a
as
it
as
it
relates
to
architecture,
which
is
really
why
we
hired
a
Ware
Malcolm.
G
We
are
building
this
as
if
it's
going
to
be
a
fulfillment
center,
our
environmental
impact
report,
as
if
it's
going
to
be
a
fulfillment
center,
we
don't
know
exactly
who
the
tenant
will
be,
and
we
wouldn't.
We
won't
know
that
for
some
time,
but
we're
building
it
so
that
it
can
pass
all
the
standards,
for
you
know
the
very
most
intense
use
and
whether
or
not
that
ends
up
happening.
We
we
don't
know
the
area.
You
know
this
area
for
these
types
of
buildings
is
also
very
new.
G
You
know
primarily
historically,
these
buildings
have
been
built
west
of
us
in
the
Inland
Empire,
and
just
because
of
the
cost
of
of
things
in
the
in
the
Inland
Empire
and
in
the
LA
LA
County
area.
They
are
slowly
moving
out
this
way.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
of
pioneering
in
a
sense
in
terms
of
what
tenants
are
going
to
move
out
here,
but
you
know
with
the
Amazon
building
being
built
and
breaking
ground
in
the
desert.
G
Hot
springs
that
really
does
set
somewhat
of
a
tone
for
the
people
that
are
going
to
want
to
be
out
here.
And
then
you
know
what
really
made
the
difference
was
the
city's
decision
to
allow
for
a
higher
building
in
this
area
and
I
think
it's
been
a
very
smart
thing
for
Palm
Springs
to
do
and
I
think
these
buildings
being
where
they
are
in
the
far
north
of
the
city
north
of
I-10.
G
Fine
no
surprises
there,
so
I
I
think
what
we'd
like
to
do.
If
it's
okay
is,
is
we'll
we
will
have
where
Malcolm
make
a
present
a
small
presentation
about
the
architecture
and
how
they
how
they
came
to.
To
cite
the
building
where
they
did
and
and
then
Mike
or
Nicole
from
MSA
can
talk
more
about
the
engineering
and
then
and
then
we're
open,
then
we're
otherwise
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
haven't:
is
there
anything
you
have
now
or
would
you
like
to
hear
from.
E
G
At
this
point,
yes,
I
think
the
code
requires
a
certain
amount
of
solar
on
the
roof
of
the
building,
and
then
we
will.
We
will,
of
course,
we'll
meet
the
code,
but
I
I
think,
ultimately
speaking,
we
will
end
up
beating
the
code,
but
we're
at
the
very
early
art
of
addressing
the
solar
issue.
So
I
don't
really
have
anything
to
report
at
this
time
about
solar
other
than
that
there
will
be
quite
a
bit
of
solar
I.
G
G
H
Right,
thank
you
all
right,
good
afternoon
I.
So
commissioner
Roberts
just
stole
my
question,
but
I
did
have
this
adjacent
one
on
the
future
of
trucking
self-driving
trucks,
electric
trucks.
Are
you
taking
all
that
in
consideration
in
terms
of
turnaround
radius
and
things
like
that?
Yes,
and
also
for
the
the
parking
for
the
people
that
work
there
will
be
electrical
parking.
I
mean
electric
vehicle
charging
Outlets
as
well.
G
The
answer
relative
to
the
employee
parking
for
Electrical
Vehicles
again,
we
will
either
meet
or
exceed
what
the
California
code
requires
for
that
for
employee
parking
and
then
in
terms
of
the
trucking
that
is
going
in
there.
This
really
has
all
been
designed
to
accommodate
whatever
the
trucking
looks
like
in
the
future
and
and
I
I
think,
most
probably
it's
going
more
towards
electric
vehicle
and
the
the
building
itself
has
been
designed
to
accommodate
that.
I
How
does
it
relate
or
compare
to
other
facilities
in
terms
of
the
just
the
scale
of
it?
I
wondered
and
I've
intended
to
do
a
little
research
before
this?
Is
it
bigger
smaller?
Is
it
I
mean?
How
do
you
know
in
your
planning
how
big
to
build
these
things
so
that
it's
got
maximum
capacity
for
because
you
don't
have
a
tenant
yet
yeah.
G
So
how
do
you
figure
that
out
the
the
the
way
that
we
do
it
is
we
understand
that
the
tenant
is
going
to
need
additional
parking,
so
that
takes
away
from
what
the
size
of
the
building
is.
So
if
you
Glenn
pointed
out
that
this,
the
building
is
a
40
46
percent
building
area
ratio,
so
I
would
say
that
is
on
the
mid
to
lower
lot
coverage
ratio
of
what
would
be
allowed.
G
The
code
allows
up
to
60
percent,
but
we
would
rather
allow
for
Less
building
and
more
parking
for
the
tenant,
because
it
will
allow
we
think
for
the
building
to
stay
occupied.
It
provides
an
amenity
for
the
tenants
to
have
additional
parking.
It
does
take
away
from
the
how
big
a
building
you
could
put
there,
but
as
the
code
allows
a
60
coverage
ratio
we're
at
46.,
so
we're
below
that.
A
Just
a
quick
comment
for
the
commission
of
a
fulfillment
center
came
to
the
at
the
Amazon.
One
came
to
the
commission
and
then
to
the
city.
Council.
City
didn't
end
up
with
it,
but
there
was
a
determination
made
that
in
an
area
north
of
the
freeway
in
a
limited
area,
at
this
point
that
the
city
was
interested
in
seeing
fulfillment
centers
that
they
would
be
coming
and
so
standards
were
set
up
and
I
think
that
happened
a
year
or
two
ago.
So
it
was
a
major
debate
in
the
city.
A
It
is
not
from
my
understanding
a
debate
now
it's
a
settled
issue
and
it's
it's
coming
to
us
for
the
kinds
of
questions
that
that
you
are
asking,
but
it
this
isn't.
This
isn't
brand
new,
although
it's
the
first
building
of
its
kind
to
come
before
us
and
we
we
helped
set
the
standards
that
are
currently
in
front
of
us,
I'm,
actually
very
thrilled
to
see
a
50-foot
building,
because
you
could
have
gone
to
95
and
as
for
our
first
one,
it
will
be
an
easier
view
from
the
freeway.
Yes,.
J
J
These
raised
doors
that
are
four
foot
high
above
the
grade,
and
they
can
just
immediately
offload
whatever
product
or
or
item
that
they're
they're
Trucking
and
then
inside
these
buildings.
What
makes
them
so
tall
is
the
majority
of
this
Warehouse
is
a
high
volume
storage
space
that
could
be
with
built
with
racking
systems.
Pallets
are
containing
products
stuff
like
that
that
they
stack
high
in
these
buildings
or
for
Logistics
centers.
J
There
may
be
Material
Handling
equipment
that
moves
product
around
to
then
receive
the
product
and
then
ship
it
out
one
side
or
the
adjacent
side
of
of
the
building
here.
So
the
the
main
effort
is
to
allow
for
that
most
efficient
movement
of
truck
vehicles
and
separating
that
from
automobile
parking.
So
you
can
see
on
the
east
side
of
the
site
here.
The
automobile
parking
is
all
at
the
front
of
the
building
servicing.
J
What
would
be
those
two
pop-outs
you
see
on
the
North
and
South
office,
portions
of
the
building,
and
then
then
the
whole
east
side
of
the
site
serving
as
the
logistics
and
trucking
off
of
19th
Avenue.
We
have
a
large
single
row
of
of
truck
stacking
that
allows
those
trucks
to
get
off
the
street
easily
into
the
site.
J
As
far
as
the
the
automobile
parking
I
wanted
to
address
your
question
about
automobile
electrical
vehicle
charging,
the
Cal
green
code
does
require
a
certain
amount
of
EV
Chargers
to
be
installed
now.
20
of
that
automobile
parking
will
have
the
capacity
meaning
the
infrastructure
of
of
conduit
would
be
installed
to
accommodate
for
future
EV
stalls.
Five
percent
of
that
of
the
overall
parking
would
would
actually
install
Chargers.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
good
amount
of
electrical
vehicle
charging
on
this
site.
J
The
the
warehouse
area
is
not
necessarily
air
conditioned,
so
only
condition.
Spaces
are
required
to
have
solar
solar
panels
installed
according
to
the
California
Green
Building
Codes,
but
but
we
do.
We
are
required
to
provide
the
infrastruct
infrastructure
so
that
solar
panels
could
be
installed
in
the
future.
So
over
that
warehouse,
the
roof
is
designed
to
handle
loads
for
solar
panels
and
stub-ups
conduit
to
accommodate
those
as
well
easy
installation
in
the
future.
J
As
far
as
the
the
design
of
these
buildings,
they
are
very
tall
because
of
that
warehouse
space
requiring
high
high
volume,
stacking
or
Material
Handling
equipment
that
allows
us
to
have
two
stories
of
office
at
the
front
of
these
buildings,
so
the
the
the
the
the
front
facing
elevations
as
you're,
seeing
here
these
are
our
office
locations
that
have
a
lot
more
glazing
than
the
rest
of
the
building.
That
is
just
warehousing
so
at
these,
these
key
features
that
face
the
main
street.
J
A
J
Sure
so,
at
the
the
office
areas
we
we
do
have
a
good
amount
of
glazing
and-
and
we
have
we've
recessed-
that
provided
overhangs.
That's
that's
typical
of
the
desert
kind
of
look
and
avoiding
that
solar
intrusion
into
the
building
that
causes
heat
and
then,
as
kind
of
speaking
to
the
the
mid-century
modern,
very
horizontal,
feel
of
that
design.
Aesthetic.
We
have
a
lot
of
horizontal
windows
and
elements
that
that
create
that
even
a
what's
called
a
formliner
which
creates
horizontal
patterns
in
the
concrete
panels
themselves.
J
A
K
K
K
J
L
J
G
The
in
the
warehouse
is
conditioned
based
on
the
amount
of
employees
that
are
in
there
and
what
activity
takes
place
in
there.
If
there
is
a
lot
of
employee
activity,
then
they
have
to,
they
have
to
fully
condition
the
space.
If
there's
limited
amount
of
employees
in
there,
they
they
partially
condition
the
space
so
that
it
the
temperatures
instead
of
going
from
you,
know
the
highest.
Maybe
it
would
get
in.
There
is
75
or
80
degrees
or
something
so
it
wouldn't
be
fully
fully
conditioned.
J
K
G
E
E
E
There
you
go
so
if
you
look
in
the
upper
left
corner
of
that
photograph,
you
see
what
looks
to
be
a
very
sad
palm
tree.
Where
we'll
we'll
say
it's
hairdo
is
getting
blown
in
a
strong
Direction.
So
the
reason
I'm
bringing
this
up
is
I'm.
Looking
at
your
landscape
plan
and
I
know,
this
probably
isn't
for
you,
but
for
you
all
in
general,
working
on
this.
Those
are
some
harsh
elements
out
there,
I'm
I'm,
looking
at
your
landscape
schedule,
and
you
have
some
things
like
Acacia
and
Palace
Palo
Verde
there.
E
E
The
only
thing
worse
than
planting
a
bunch
of
full-scale
trees
is
having
them
die
immediately
and
then
the
second
worst
thing
is.
We
have
to
look
at
it,
so
if
you
all
will
pay
special
attention
to
the
environment
out
there,
it's
and
and
really
look
at
what
is
surviving
out
there,
because
not
much
does
survive
out
there.
A
lot
of
your
lower
stuff
will
be
fine.
E
J
I
mean
I
was
out
there
in
the
summer,
June
July,
so
that
that
there's
a
certain
amount
of
rigid
insulation,
that's
installed
above
the
roof
deck
single
ply
Roofing
that
reflects
the
sunlight,
so
without
any
air
conditioning
in
the
building.
Yet
we
were
able
to
walk
through
it's
warm
certainly,
but
with
the
air
movement
and
that
insulation,
it
does
keep
out
a
good
amount
of
that
heat.
J
E
Commissioner,
Bakers
I
think
it
was
commissioner
Baker's
comment.
I
found
compelling
and
director,
hadwin
and
and
Miss
Milaca
I
do
want
us
to
bring
this
back.
I
want
to
understand
better
what
the
these
codes
are
for,
conditioned
or
not
conditioned
spaces,
because
I
know
we
talked
a
lot
about
this
originally
when
we
were
writing
the
standards
but
I,
don't
really
know
what
happened
with
it.
E
I
know
we
have
some
code
standards,
but
as
people
come
to
the
desert
to
build
these
massive
buildings
and
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
will
be
in
that
building.
Nor
do
they
yet,
but
we
have
419
parking
spaces
and
119
truck
spaces.
There's
going
to
be
people
in
those
warehouses,
and
we
really
need
to
look
at
that
carefully
and
to
see
if
we
need
to
adjust
the
standards
for
the
desert
environment.
E
A
You
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
is
pavement.
We
have
an
awkward
be
on
top
of
our
aquifer,
which
is
very
precious
to
us
and
I'm
wondering
about
any
permeability
of
trucks
and
oil
and
things
going
into
our
aquifer.
What
what
protections
do
we
have
in
that
regard,
that
our
aquifer
isn't
damaged
by
this
volume
of
trucks?
On
top
of
it
and.
A
M
Exactly
Madam
chair
and
fellow
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Mike
Rowe
I'm,
a
principal
engineer
at
MSA
and
we've
been
down,
offices
are
in
Rancho,
Mirage
and
I
can
tell
you.
Even
within
our
offices,
we
have
millions
of
square
feet
of
these
buildings
coming
into
our
Valley,
pretty
much
on
that
I-10
Corridor.
We
can
see
this
with
this
movement
happening,
so
we're
excited
about
being
able
to
help
it
and
I.
M
Think
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
bring
to
the
table
is
not
only
knowing
the
landscape
in
itself
is
done
in-house
now,
so
we
we
make
sure
that
we
do
have
the
desertscape
and
we're
very
cognizant
of
the
climate
out
there.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
put
plants
in
there
that
won't
survive.
We
want
them
to
have
a
Fighting
Chance.
At
the
same
time
we
want
to
have
plants
in
there.
They
give
you
some
shade
and
some
some
sort
of
appeal
to
so.
M
Yes,
we're
very
cognizant
of
how
we
plant
those
and
making
sure
that
we
get
the
the
root
balls
when
they
are
planted.
They
are
treated
also
Mission.
Springs
wants
us
to
do
that.
To
make
sure
that
we
have
good
good,
gravel
material,
just
the
gravel
material
that
will
just
allow
that
water
to
seep
through
and
not
give
the
plant
a
chance
to
survive.
So
we're
looking
at
doing
that.
M
Your
your
water
quality
issue
is
very
very
much
a
concern
that
this
will
all
be
pavement
and
and
and
Concrete
where
the
trucks
move
on
the
with
the
the
hard
turns
that'll
be
concrete,
where
the
the
parking
areas
for
the
vehicles,
those
are
Pavements.
So
you
don't
ruin
that
when,
especially
in
the
heat
all
of
it
then
collected
into
storm
and
drain
and
then
running
down
into
water
quality
basins
before
it
goes
into
our
retention
basins,
we're
all
very
familiar
with
our
storms
out
here
and
so
we're
taking
into
account.
M
The
design
of
this
is
going
to
handle
not
only
the
storm,
but
then
the
initial.
What
we
call
the
first
flush
that
doesn't
go
into
those
basins
then
just
starts
moving
on
down
the
system,
and
that
is
controlled
and
it's
organized
so
that
way
it
doesn't
get
into
our
aquifer.
It
doesn't
get
into
our
our
system
and
is
controlled.
So
it
then
doesn't
pass
on
to
the
next
person
and
when
you
start
knocking
some
of
these
storms
down,
the
only
other
thing
I
have
to
say
is
we're
using
all
the
utilities.
These
are.
M
N
M
A
M
Indian
can
is
built
to
be
able
to
handle
this
traffic,
and
just
you
make
a
great
point
with
the
shern.
We
are
working
with
desert
hot
springs
with
the
public
works
department
with
the
Amazon
engineers
and
the
other
engineers
in
the
on
that
side
on
the
east
side
of
India,
so
that
that
intersection
specifically
is
being
utilized
for
both,
and
that
is
being
designed
for
this
type
of
use.
On
the
industrial
side
in
Arizona,
as
well
as
your
industrial,
sun
and
year
zone.
A
M
A
M
A
G
You
know
I,
don't
think
realistically,
there's
anything
we
can
other
than
to
build
it
and
to
do
we're
building
it
as
if
it
is
we're.
If
you
look
at
you
know,
we
had,
we
had
to
make
certain
decisions
about
how
to
scope
the
environmental
impact
report
and
we
scoped
it
towards
the
maximum
use
that
which
would
which
would
which
would
be
for
a
fulfillment
center.
So
we
have
built
it
to
be
a
fulfillment
center,
so
you
know
other
than
having
it
ready.
You
know
and
having
it
available
to
act
as
a
fulfillment
center.
G
That's
really
the
best.
We
can
do
to
try
to
assure
ourselves
to
get
that
type
of
tenant,
because
if
you
were
building
it
for
something
else,
you
wouldn't
have
it
you,
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
scope
it
for
the
traffic.
You
wouldn't
scope
it
for
24-hour
access
employees.
You
would
do
it
differently.
So
you
know
these
fulfillment
centers
are
moving
East
and
you
know
it's
certainly
Our
Hope
to
that
that
we
get
one
of
them,
I
think
other
than
to
build
it
and
make
it
ready
and
able
to
accept
a
fulfillment
center.
A
E
K
E
Turn
pockets
and
it
they'll
have
to
do
some
enhancements
to
the
signal
on
the
North
part
of
their
property
line,
which
is
the
signal
that
was
put
in
by
the
coachillan
project,
and
that
was
only
from
our
best
estimate.
It
was
only
designed
as
a
three-way
signal
and
it
actually
needs
to
be
reconfigured
to
a
four-way
signal,
so
the
turnpockets,
the
island,
it's
all
necessary
with
the
truck
activity
I
get.
It
is
Indian
wide
enough
for
it.
They
will
have
to
be
doing
some
widening
this.
E
I
A
O
G
We
are
not
going
for
lead
certification,
okay,
you
know
the
cat.
We
really
are
in
these
kind
of
buildings.
The
California
code
is
so
robust
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
it
compares
to
lead
Silver,
Platinum
or
whatever,
but
these
buildings
are
very
well
insulated
it
on
their
own,
because
it
just
makes
the
most
sense
to
do
that,
so
that
it
will
not
be
a
lead
certified.
O
Okay
and
I've
got
one
more
question
this
may
be
for
you
or
for
Mr
Rowe
how
how
far
along
is
the
eir
by
the
way?
Is
it
quite
far
along
the
draft
and
then
my
follow-up
question
to
that
is
how
will
the
eir
address
the
problems
we're
having
with
Indian
Canyon
and
the
fact
that
it's
shut
down
for
significant
periods
of
time.
L
Nicole
van
MSA,
Consulting
I'm,
a
project
manager
at
MSA
also
overseeing
the
entitlements
and
environmental
document.
Yes,
so
the
eir
we're
about
halfway
through
we're
working
with
the
city's
SQL
consultant
for
review,
so
we're
giving
the
SQL
consultant
sections
and
so
we're
getting
ready
to
send
the
second
sections
over
to
Terra
Nova
and
we
hope
to
have
the
the
eir
ready
for
public
circulation
by
late
October.
L
So
that's
sort
of
our
goal
so
we're
a
good
way
through
the
analysis,
and
so
the
traffic
portion
of
the
analysis,
along
with
the
technical
report
provided
by
our
traffic
consultant,
will
definitely
address
Indian
Canyon
and
potential
conflicts.
We
have
with
the
Indian
Canyon
being,
as
we
know,
open
and
closed.
I
F
Right
so
the
we,
the
city,
has
received
another
application,
for,
let
me
go
to
a
slide
here.
Let
me
go
back
for
an
application
and
I'll
point
it
out.
It
is
the
adjacent
parcel
here.
It's
two
buildings
and
it's
1.5
million
square
feet
in
two
buildings,
so
the
Planning
Commission
will
see
that
coming
soon.
C
A
H
I'll
Echo,
commissioner
Roberts.
It's
a
beautiful
building,
I've
seen
some
of
the
new
ones
on
the
6D
Corridor,
the
Amazon,
Fulfillment,
centers
and
Skechers,
and
this
is
probably
one
of
the
most
attractive
buildings
as
a
pass
as
someone
passing
by
on
the
street
that
I've
seen
otherwise.
I
have
no
further
comments.
O
I
agree:
I'll,
Echo,
the
accolades
and
the
architecture,
and
the
appearance.
I
would
just
add.
I
had
the
pleasure
of
touring
a
fulfillment
center
in
Eastvale
two
weeks
ago
and
I
am
truly
amazed
at
the
amount
of
employees
that
were
in
the
building
and
the
efficiency
and
the
Automation
and
the
efficiency
at
which
that
building
worked
and
anything
we
can
do
to
get
a
fulfillment
center
here.
I'd,
say
and
I
think
the
city
is
probably
doing
whatever
they
can,
but
I
think
we
should
encourage
it
in
all.
In
all
things
that
we
can
do.
A
A
G
You
very
much
for
your
time.
We
appreciate
I
know
you
guys
are
busy
and
I
know
these
sessions
are
on
top
of
your
regular
meeting.
So
we
appreciate
it
very
much
and
then
you
know,
we've
noted
your
concerns
and
so
we'll
try
to
make
sure
that
we
incorporate
mentioning
them
in
when
we
come
before
you.
But
thank
you
again
very
much
for
having
us.
We
appreciate.
C
C
A
C
A
A
A
Each
speaker
has
three
minutes.
Members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
comment
on
1A
are
directed
to
comment
under
this
portion
of
the
agenda.
The
rest
of
the
items
are
public
hearing
items,
so
you
can
comment
on
now
or
you
can
comment
later
on:
2A,
2B,
2C
and
2D.
Is
there
anyone
who's
like
any?
Member
of
the
public
would
like
to
comment.
O
I'm
going
to
be
brief
and
I'll
be
as
clear
as
concise
as
I
can
on
the
first
set
of
minutes,
July
13th,
page
eight
and
I'm,
not
gonna.
If
these
weren't
somewhat
substantive
I,
wouldn't
you
know,
ask
them,
but
on
the
last
page
the
commission
provided
comments
and
no
action
was
taken.
The
word
no
is
missing
there,
and
that
was
on
a
on
a
study
item
on
September
14th,
2022
page
four.
O
O
This
was
regarding
a
coffee
shop
and
bar
and
I
specifically
remember
expressing
concern
over
potential
noise
impacts
from
the
rooftop
and
in
fact
it
ended
up
as
a
condition
of
approval.
But
I
didn't
see
that
it
was
noted
that
I
mentioned
that.
Although
again
it's
up
to
you,
if
you
want
to
put
that
detail
in.
C
O
On
second
type
of
September
28
2022,
first
page,
my
first
name
was
used
instead
of
my
second
name,
and
so,
if
that
for
consistency
under
acceptance
of
the
agenda,
it
should
be
Miller
not
Scott
and
page
10.
The
same
comment
on
the
hotel
and
multi-family
residential
structures
item
my
name
Miller
instead
of
Scott.
A
O
A
P
Good
evening,
chair
and
Commissioners,
the
proposed
liquor
store,
parries
Palm
Springs
is
located
on
the
Southeast
corner
of
the
project
site
facing
North
Palm
Canyon.
The
project
site
includes
a
restaurant
and
three
apartment
buildings
with
a
community
pool.
Perry's
is
approximately
1200
square
feet
in
size
and
located
within
the
pd-48
zoning
District,
which
allows
uses
in
the
C1
Zone
liquor
stores
are
allowed
in
this
zoning
district,
with
the
approval
of
a
conditional
use.
P
Permit
Perry's
will
initially
open
with
a
type
20
liquor
license,
which
permits
off-site
consumption
of
beer
and
wine
off-site
sale,
sorry,
sale,
beer
and
wine
Perry's
will
be
occupying
the
storefront
shown
right
here
and
share
parking
spaces
with
the
takashin
Japanese
restaurant.
This
tenant
space
was
previously
utilized
as
a
bike.
Rental
business,
the
bike
rental
business
in
Paris,
are
both
classified
as
retail
uses.
Therefore,
the
liquor
store
will
not
be
intensifying
the
use
or
increasing
parking
demand.
P
Additionally,
takashan's
hours
of
operation
are
from
5
PM
to
10
pm,
while
Perry's
is
9
A.M
to
10
p.m
daily.
So,
while
there
is
a
bit
of
overlap
during
the
evening
hours,
takashin
is
not
utilizing
these
parking
spaces.
For
most
of
the
day,
the
proposed
liquor
store.
Sorry
I've
provided
additional
views
from
North
Palm
Canyon.
So
you
could
see
if
this
is
a
the
project
site
right.
There
I'm
sorry,
the
tenant
space
and
the
shared
parking
space
and
takashin
to
the
north.
P
A
P
So
I've
also
provided
a
floor
plan
of
the
Interior
they've
got
wine,
sorry,
wine,
racks,
liquor,
I'm,
sorry,
not
liquor
type,
20.,
beer
and
wine,
and
also
just
typical
storage
for
snacks
in
Delhi,
as
well
as
a
large
storage
area
and
a
back
office,
Nook
and
bathroom
part
of
a
conditional
use
permit
is
making
the
appropriate
findings.
There
are
five
findings
that
need
to
be
made
in
order
to
move
forward
with
approval
for
a
conditional
use
permit.
P
Q
Hi
good
evening,
my
name
is
Steve
Rawlings
and
I
am
here
this
evening
on
behalf
of
the
folks
at
Perry's.
Also
joining
me
today
is
Billy
Marshall,
who
is
one
of
the
partners
of
Perry's
and
I,
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
we
do
concur
with
the
staff's
recommendation
and
their
and
their
findings,
and
we
do
agree
to
all
of
the
draft
conditions
of
approval
that
are
presented
to
you
this
evening.
A
couple
of
things
that
sometimes
don't
come
out
in
in
written
reports.
Perry's
is
a
ongoing
business
in
Provincetown
Massachusetts.
Q
They,
the
business,
is
actually
almost
100
years
old.
The
Billy
and
his
partner
have
been
running
that
business
for
five
or
six
years
now,
the
last
five
years,
they've
they've
owned
the
business.
It
has
gotten
a
a
large,
a
great
reputation
for
providing
really
well
curated
wine
and
spirits
and
they're
looking
to
be
able
to
bring
that
type
of
store
here
to
Palm.
Springs
they've
spent
a
lot
of
time
doing
a
lot
of
market
research
and
they
feel
like
this
is
a
tremendous
market
for
this
type
of
business
that
they're
they're
running
there.
Q
I
think
you
may
have
seen
in
the
the
package.
Some
some
support
letters
and
even
I
was
surprised
that
there
were
several
people
that
you
know
have
homes
in
the
Palm
Springs
area
in
there,
and
obviously
they
couldn't
say
enough
good
things
about
this.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
tremendous
asset
to
the
community.
Building
his
partner
are
active
in
Provincetown
and
they
they
will
be
just
as
active
here
in
the
Palm
Springs
Community.
A
A
C
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
looked
at
Perry's
online,
you
know
to
see
who
you
are.
It
looks
like
a
very
nice
store
recently
I
was
in
Santa
Monica
and
there
was
a
new
liquor
store
that
opened
and
they,
what
you
saw
from
the
street
was
blinding
every
display
case
was
lined
with
LED
lights
and
it
was
horrible.
So
my
question
to
you
is:
what
are
we
going
to
see
from
the
street.
R
Good
evening,
most
definitely
not
blinding
lights.
We
basically
our
aesthetic,
is
very
much
a
softer
aesthetic.
It's
all
about
warm
LED
lighting.
It's
something
that's
not
going
to
affect
any
of
our
of
our
tenants
inside
the
building.
We
actually
have
regulations
in
our
lease
they'll,
disallow
anything
pointing
to
the
windows
or
anything
of
the
sort.
We
really
dislike
neon
so
happy
to
agree
to
not
use
any
neon.
R
So
it
is
basically
glass
fronted
on
the
North
side
and
on
the
east
side
we
do
usually
use
things
on
counters
in
the
windows,
but
that's
kind
of
more
like
merchandising
and
things
like
that,
rather
than
bright
signage
or
anything
like
that.
But
we
do
use
that
space
in
the
windows.
We
also
use
it
for
our
quite
famous
open,
nope
sign.
We
flip
the
letters
around
to
kind
of
make
it
say:
opener,
nope
and
also
for
just
like
branding
in
general,
but
nothing
garish.
Okay,.
R
So,
yes,
there
is
a
trash
room
behind
takashin
which
we
have
access
to
and
have
and
provide
our
space
there
and
that
gets
regularly
emptied
out
as
well
and
then
in
terms
of
loading,
we
have
basically
follow
what
all
the
Distributors
already
do
with
the
restaurant,
both
takashin
on
one
side
and
kaplies
on
the
other
side,
where
they
basically
pull
in,
and
we
just
wheel
it
around
into
our
storage
areas.
Okay,.
R
Okay,
so
we
basically
have
a
wine
spirits,
beer
usually
working
with,
like
smaller,
consult
like
smaller
producers,
so
like
Boutique
producers,
and
then
we
also
have
like
a
range
of
food,
and
the
food
is
nothing
that
requires
a
commission
like
a
commercial
kitchen.
It's
all
pre-packaged,
it's
all
kind
of
ready
to
go.
It's
basically,
cheeses,
Meats,
bread,
charcuterie
crackers,
olives,
accoutrements
for
things
like
that,
and
also
we
also
provide
currently
in
Massachusetts,
but
we
provide
kind
of
a
eggs
meat,
pasta
sauces.
R
Sure
so,
actually
I
think
we're
quite
complementary
businesses,
whereas
our
focus
is
100,
not
100,
but
mostly
on
the
wine
and
the
selection
of
wine
from
the
U.S
from
other
countries
from
all
around
the
world.
Their
focus
is
a
lot
more
on
the
deli
counter
on
the
prepared
foods
on
the
platters
and
actually
I.
Think
would
be
quite
complementary
and
probably
referring
business
to
each
other
in
the
sense
that
we
both
have
strengths
that
will
basically
Point
towards
each
other
you're
welcome.
R
Hyphen
is
actually
a
Niche
Wine
Shop.
They
work
as
they
focus
on
natural
wine
selection
only
which
is
a
very
small
Niche.
They
kind
of
miss
out
a
lot
of
like
the
traditional
wines
and
also
they
have
lesser
Foods
and
just
just
a
very
Niche
selection,
so
we'll
carry
some
wines
that
they
carry,
but
most
definitely
the
overlap
will
not
be
that
large.
A
R
A
R
So
we
basically
are
working
with
a
designer,
an
architect
and
Builder,
to
kind
of
spruce
up
all
of
our
tenant
improvements
internally
and
externally,
as
well
so
externally,
including
for
all
the
signage
and
all
that
stuff,
as
per
the
rules
of
the
city
and
then
also
landscape
architecture,
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
as
well.
So
we
want
to
plant
it
in
a
way
that
is
true
to
the
desert.
That
looks
good.
O
Yeah
I
was
at
the
site
on
Tuesday
just
yesterday,
I
guess
and
noticed
the
and
it's
a
it
is
an
existing
situation.
I
understand
that
but
and
I
did
send
an
email
to
City
staff
to
see
if
anything
might
work,
we
do
have
limitations.
Obviously,
in
that
it
is
an
existing
building
and
in
an
existing
tenant
space,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
anything
on
a
minor
level
that
can
be
done
to
try
to
make
that
safer.
O
I
did
see
a
car
who
is
at
a
60
degree
angle
to
the
street,
going
Southbound
maneuver
to
do
to
go
Northbound
and,
of
course,
to
make
that
maneuver
they're
waiting
for
traffic
to
clear
in
a
Northbound
Direction,
so
there's
essentially
sitting
across
the
public
sidewalk,
while
they're
waiting
to
do
that.
So
it
was
a
little
awkward
and
I
I.
Just
don't
want
there
to
be
a
real
conflict
there
between
pedestrians
and
vehicles.
Maybe.
C
A
N
A
C
C
I
do
think
you
know,
commissioner
Miller
you
had
some
some
really
good
suggestions
and
looking
at
striping
and
painting
and
potentially
signage
that
we
can
maybe
use
use
to
minimize
those
conflicts,
and
we
can
come
back
to
the
applicant
and
see
what
they've
thought
about.
But
I
can
look
behind
me
and
see
if,
if
the
engineer
wants
to
elaborate
any
further.
E
Yeah
yeah
that
one
right
there,
so
we
looked
at
this
at
this
site
and
the
best
thing
that
we
could
come
up
with
is
how
how
this
came
to
be
is
that
this
is
probably
a
legacy
problem
from
when
this
was
Highway
111..
We
would
not
ever
have
allowed
this
type
of
driveway
to
be
built
to
this
kind
of
standard.
We
try
to
go
back
and
look
at
old
photographs,
and
it
looks
like
you
know.
E
E
E
E
I,
don't
think
that
it's
a
a
viable
thing
to
to
do
for
to
ask
this
one
tenant
to
do
that,
but
commissioner
Miller's
ideas
of
maybe
some
striping,
maybe
even
some
bollards,
you
know
around
the
doorways,
possibly
some
signage.
We
would
be
open
to
some
suggestions
that
they
could
prepare
and
we
could
work
with
planning
on
that
in
the
city
engineer,
but
this
would
be
pretty
expensive
to
get
this
fixed.
A
E
P
P
E
C
C
H
C
Any
census
District
that
is
under
or
at
what
ABC
would
would
require,
and
on
the
next
presentation,
you'll
see
they're
over
also
over
saturated.
So
you
know,
typically,
as
as
Alex
was
alluding
to,
we
would
go
through
the
Planning
Commission
process.
First
for
the
use,
and
then
the
PCN
public,
convenience
and
necessity,
which
is
a
requirement
of
ABC,
would
go
to
the
council.
We
have
that
in
for
the
September
26th
council
meeting
okay.
E
H
Actually
I
think
engineering
may
have
answered
my
questions.
I
was
very
familiar
with
this
location
when
it
was
the
bike
shop
and
the
egress
was
a
nightmare,
pedestrian
traffic
site
lines
of
sight.
It's
just
awful
getting
out
of
that
driveway.
In
fact,
people
would
often
try
and
use
the
inbound
Lane
to
go
out
because
it's
easier
to
get
out
and
to
see
traffic
coming
that
way.
So
I
think
it
would
really
need
some
strong
visual
Clues
signs
to
direct
traffic.
A
Things
that
have
come
before
us
before
we
get
motions-
one
is
the
the
egress,
especially
and
I.
Would
probably
I
would
like
to
ask,
but
a
series
of
asks,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
applicant,
if
they're
willing
to
to
put
together
a
striping
and
Bollard
plant
signage
and
Bollard
plan
along
the
egress
to
make
it
safer,
and
we
would
condition
it
with
that.
But
we
do
need
your.
A
R
Okay,
so
we've
identified
that
problem
as
well.
If
you
look
there's
already
a
post,
that
kind
of
lines
up
with
out
the
upper
edge
of
the
overhang
and
that's
what
they're
expecting
kind
of
people
to
kind
of
push
around
like
the
the
front
door
and
make
sure
that
trucks
and
stuff
like
that,
don't
hit
the
balcony
up
top
or
Vans
or
whatever.
R
What
we're
proposing
to
do
is
actually
to
put
a
planter
in
there
as
well
to
kind
of
form
that
curb
a
little
bit
better.
This
picture
is
a
little
bit
older.
There
is
already
an
accessible
curb
there
as
well.
The
accessible
curb
has
kind
of
like,
like
a
90
degree
angle,
we're
talking
about
also
putting
in
a
railing
on
that
curb
so
that
it
actually
matches
the
aesthetic
of
the
upstairs.
R
So
in
keeping
with
like
the
with
the
building
that
and
the
planter
will
help
bring
people
away
from
that
front
door
and
curb
it
around
and
kind
of
follow
the
line
that
goes
onto
the
planter
in
front.
So
from
a
because
we
identified
that
that
that
that
access
issue
as
well,
that
is
probably
just
one
thing
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
yet
so
so.
R
A
As
well,
it
will
be
a
condition,
so
you
would
probably
need
to
get
the
approval
from
your
landlord.
The
second
is
I
know.
You
said
you
were
going
to
plant
the
planter,
your
agreement
to
plant
the
planter,
and
then
there
was
expressed
by
commissioner
Roberts,
a
sort
of
an
indirect
request
that
we
would
rather
see
liquor
with
food,
and
we
would
love
to
see
you
do
a
bit
more
food
with
a
liquor
store.
R
Sorry
can
I
answer
just
comment
on
that:
preparing
food
on
site
requires
a
commercial
kitchen
which
we
all
of
a
sudden
don't
have
space
for,
nor
is
it
a
business
that
we
know
anything
about.
So
you
know
what
we
do
offer
is
again.
We
offer
like
not
just
a
charcuterie
and
stuff
like
that.
We
do
offer
stuff
to
produce
like
a
full
meal.
R
E
R
A
O
Wouldn't
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
really
make
a
comment.
I
only
made
a
complaint
about
the
driveway
and
I'd
like
to
to
say
I
too.
Look
forward
to
this.
It
sounds
like
a
wonderful,
albeit
a
liquor,
store.
I
would
just
ask
that
you
concentrate
on
some
good
California
wines,
because
a
lot
of
people
like
our
California
wines,
so
thank.
C
N
A
I
I
A
A
A
Our
next
item
is
a
request
by
Steve
Rawlings
to
amend
an
existing
use
permit
to
replace
an
existing
type.
20
liquor
license
with
a
type
21
liquor
license
to
allow
the
sale
of
beer
wine
and
distilled
Spirits
for
off-site
consumption
and
remove
a
condition
of
approval
number
35
from
resolution
4459
at
19995,
North,
Indian
Canyon
Road
staff
report.
Please.
P
The
applicant
is
requesting
approval
to
amend
the
existing
cup
to
a
type
21
liquor
license
and
remove
condition.
Number
35,
which
placed
an
expiration
date
on
the
initial
conditional
use
permit.
The
location
is
highlighted
on
the
screen.
The
project
site
is
located
north
of
the
I-10
freeway
adjacent
to
several
industrial
uses.
I
believe
desert
hot
springs
is
a
adjacent
to
the
slot.
P
The
existing
service
station
already
operates
with
a
type
20
liquor
license.
This
allows
the
sale
of
beer
and
wine
for
off-site
consumption.
The
type
21
license
will
include
the
sale
of
distilled
Spirits,
so
that
would
be
the
change.
Parking
is
not
an
issue.
Is
there
sufficient
parking
on
site
for
this
business
hours
of
operation
are
remaining
the
same,
and
no
exterior
modifications
are
proposed.
As
part
of
this
application.
P
P
A
P
C
C
C
Q
Q
Q
Q
They
have
I
I,
don't
know
if
this
was
included
in
your
packet,
but
this
is
like
a
four
page
policies
and
procedures
manual
with
the
operation
of
their
stores.
They
Pride
themselves
on
making
sure
that
the
stores
are
clean,
there's
always
at
least
two
people
on
staff
at
all
times
and
and
they're
trained
properly
know
they
have
a
fiduciary
duty
to
their
employees
to
provide
them
training
and
provide
a
safe
work
environment.
They
take
that
extremely
seriously
and
they
obviously,
over
the
years,
have
learned
the
customers
when
they
walk
into
us.
A
Q
Multiple
multiple
levels
of
security-
you
know-
one
of
course
is
this-
is
this-
is
relatively
common
in
almost
all
retail
businesses.
Now
they
they
do,
have
a
comprehensive
surveillance
camera
system
and
there
are
typically
signage
that
says:
hey
you're,
on
Candid
Camera,
which
is
a
very,
very
good
deterrent.
Of
that
you
know
there
is
that
we
do
card
scanning,
so
we
don't
rely
on
the
cashier
to
look
at
it.
Q
They
do
look
at
it
to
kind
of
make,
you
know,
do
a
precursory,
but
then
we
also
scan
it
through
the
point
of
sale
system
to
verify
what
the
age
is.
We
certainly
take
very
seriously
not
wanting
to
sell
for
underage.
There
are
management
protocols
in
which
there's
you
know
monitor
not
just
the
inside
activity,
but
the
outside
activity
as
well,
we're
certainly
very
diligent
in
making
sure
that
there's
nobody
just
hanging
out
outside
at
the
at
the
station.
That's
not
the
atmosphere,
we're
looking
for
so
we're
very
proactive
on
that.
Q
Q
Q
We
don't
need
to
sell
an
extra
can
of
beer
or
a
six
pack
of
beer
to
somebody
who
looks
questionable
it's
it's.
It's
certainly
not
worth
our
risk,
so
we
go
through
Great
Lengths
to
make
sure
that
everybody
fully
understands
that
hey
if
you're,
seeing
any
kind
of
signs
of
this.
The
easiest
answer
is
sorry.
Q
We
can't
sell
to
you
and-
and
we
take
that
very
very
seriously,
so
it
does
come
down
to
a
lot
of
employee
training
on
that
at
the
end
of
it,
they
actually
have
to
sign
an
affidavit
that
they
have
received
it.
They
have
been
trained
in
it
and
they've
reviewed
it.
A
small
small
tidbit,
if
there
is
a
violation
like
selling
underage
is,
is
your
typical
violation
there?
Q
Obviously
the
company
gets
a
mark
on
their
license
and
there
is
a
fine
associated
with
it,
but
the
employee
actually
gets
a
personal
fine
from
ABC
as
well
too,
so
they
get
light
in
their
pocketbook
by
about
1500
bucks
as
well
and
they're
going
to
get
terminated
immediately.
So
we
have
found
that
that's
a
very
good
deterrent
and
and
keeps
people
compliant.
We
are
the.
A
A
H
E
A
Our
next
item
is:
do
we
have
I
wonder
if
we
have
the
applicant
here?
We
have
a
request
by
Terra
Nova
planning
and
research
on
behalf
of
West
Vista
Circle
LLC
for
a
tentative
parcel
map
to
subdivide
an
undeveloped
2.24
acre
parcel
into
four
single-family
residential
lots
located
at
the
north
side
of
acanto
Drive
approximately
400
feet,
east
of
Via
Fortuna
staff
report.
Please.
S
S
Is
it
better
much?
Okay,
all
right
just
to
provide
a
brief
background
of
this
application
for
this
site
is
a
2.4
acre
parcel
that
is
currently
undeveloped,
which
means
it's
vacant.
The
general
plan
designation
of
the
site
is
estate
residential
ER
and
the
zoning
designation
is
r1b,
meaning
that
the
site
is
planned
for
single
residential
and
development.
S
The
minimum
loss
size
that
is
required
in
r1b
area
is
15
000
square
foot.
The
proposed
lot
will
range
from
24
411
square
foot
to
24
462
square
foot.
In
reviewing
this
application.
There
are
two
issues
that
we
identified:
number
one
is
that
the
site
is
within
the
habitat
boundary
for
the
cases
John
Beetle,
but
it
is
not
within
the
credit,
the
critical
habitat
area.
S
So
now
I'm
gonna
go
through
some
series
of
slides.
The
first
one
is
the
area
view
of
the
site.
So
here
is
the
parcel
in
question.
I
know
there
are
having
questions
raised
about
the
equestrian
easement
and
the
area,
and
here
on.
The
bottom
is
that
20
foot
equestrian
easement
a
there
was
a
map
that
was
approved
in
2013.
That
called
for
the
dedication
of
that
20
foot
to
be
maintained
to
be
given
by
the
applicant
of
or
the
previous
owner
of
this
property.
S
S
S
The
next
slide
is
the
perimeter
wall
and
the
gate
that's
been
proposed
by
the
applicant
again.
There
are
no
specific
reasons
other
than
the
fact
that
the
gates
will
only
make
this
project
in
conformance
or
in
harmony
with
the
projects
in
the
surrounding
area.
So,
as
you
can
see,
this
is
the
gate,
and
here
are
the
walls
facing
acanto.
S
The
next
slide
is
to
show
the
existing
conditions
of
the
site,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
It
is
undeveloped.
There
was
a
gradient
activity
on
our
greeting
activities
on
this
side
in
the
past,
but
there
was
no
development
of
any
kind
currently
in
front
of
this
site.
There
is
a
curb
on
it
and
in
the
next
slide,
I
will
show
the
walls
of
the
surrounding
property.
S
S
Again,
this
is
to
further
demonstrate
or
to
show
the
surrounding
developments
in
the
area
all
having
walls
and
those
who
that
was
the
the
only
reason
given
by
the
applicant
for
asking
that
you
approve
a
gate.
However,
there
is
a
requirement
in
a
zoning
ordinance
that
says
that
only
the
Planning
Commission
shall
approve
a
gated
development
if
the
applicant
is
able
to
justify
the
need
for
those
for
the
wall
as
made
known
to
stop
the
only
reason.
One
of
the
reasons
they
are
asking
for
the
wall
is
that
it
will
only
make
this.
S
So
that
will
conclude
that
startups
report.
If
there
are
any
questions
that
is
again
available
to
answer
your
question,
the
recommendation
is
that
you
adapt
a
categorical
exemption
under
SQL
guidelines
and
approve
the
password
map.
The
appropriate
findings
to
approve
a
personal
map
was
made
and
they
are
all
in
favor
of
the
project.
S
O
O
S
Yeah
all
right,
thank
you,
sir.
So
the
applicant
has
been
made
aware
of
those
comments
from
the
desert
Riders
and
they
agreed
in
writing.
I
have
that
with
me
that
they
will
agree
with
all
those
recommendations
and
requests
from
the
desert
Riders,
so
staff
will
be
working
with
the
applicant
and
the
desert
Riders
Mr
Doug
Evans,
to
make
sure
that
the
ad
requests
are
fully
complied
with.
H
H
A
K
K
T
N
A
N
C
Did
and
so
there
was
a
little
Evolution
since
we
spoke
Madam
chair
in
terms
of
I,
think
there
was
some
confusion
earlier
on
when
we
were
having
different
conversations
about
this
about
the
easement
itself.
I
think
Edward
clarified.
The
easement
is
not
on
this
property.
The
easement
was
was
agreed
to
as
part
of
the
previous
subdivision,
so
the
obligation
is
codified
and
it
is
the
obligation
of
sort
of
the
previous
owner
of
the
broader
parcel.
C
So
it
is
protected
in
law
and
and
I
would
say,
there's
only
so
much
that
we
can
place
on
this
applicant
in
terms
of
of
what
they
can
do
on
that
easement,
but
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
what
you
just
suggested,
Madam
chair
and
say
something
to
the
effect
of
a
condition
that
says
the
applicant
ensure
that
the
equestrian
easement
adjacent
to
a
Canto
drive
is
not
impeded
in
any
way,
including
during
on-site
construction
activities.
So.
A
C
Right
this
that
the
application
before
you
tonight
is
for
the
the
subdivision,
so
we're
not
approving
above
ground
improvements
at
this
point
in
time.
So
the
the
matter
of
the
the
gate,
I
think
is
here:
sort
of
informationally
and
I
think
the
applicant
is
asking
for
a
sense
from
the
commission
of
whether
it's
permitted,
but
we
actually
don't
think
this
is
the
appropriate
vehicle
to
permit
a
gate.
C
E
E
My
question
has
to
do
with
the
the
I
guess.
What
we're
calling
the
the
bridal
easement
or
whatever
it
is,
is
that
that
would
normally
just
be
the
cities
right-of-way
right
and
that
would
normally
be
a
sidewalk
in
any
other
neighborhood
correct,
and
wouldn't
we
be
requiring
that
in
any
other
neighborhood,
but
we're
honoring.
The
the
bridal
path
here
is
that
yeah.
S
That's
correct
because
the
properties
across
the
street
from
this
side
there
are
existing
sidewalks
on
those
side,
but
not
on
these
I'm.
Sorry,
Edward
I'm,
not
following
you
yeah
the
property
to
across
from
this
side,
which,
which
would
be
the
north
side
of
the
street,
do
have
sidewalks,
but
not
on
this
side.
E
E
Compacted
dirt,
correct,
okay,
and
so
the
other
thing
that's
unclear,
and
maybe
your
overhead
photo
your
plan
photo,
would
help
so
they're
proposing
some
sort
of
landscaping
out
there,
but
I
can't
see
how
that
works
with
and
I
and
again
Chris
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
even
appropriate
to
be
talking
about
this
right
now
so
help
if
it
is
and
I'll
stop,
you
know,
but
it's
it's
in
front
of
us
right.
So
what
do
you
want
to
do?
Do
you
want
to
just
push
all
this
off
to
another
time?
Well,.
C
C
E
S
C
We
would
have
to
think
a
little
bit
more
about
what
the
appropriate
vehicle
would
be
regarding
the
gate.
The
gate
is
not
permitted
unless
the
commission
makes
an
alternate
decision
and
we
don't
think
the
TPM
is
the
appropriate
vehicle
to
do
that.
So
I,
don't
we're
not.
We
don't
really
think
this
is
the
appropriate
vehicle
for
the
commission
to
opine
one
way
or
another
on
that.
C
S
C
Conversations
we
determined
that
I
think
the
applicant
probably
knew
exactly
what
you're
getting
at
commissioner
Miller
in
terms
of
this
might
be
their
only
kick
at
the
can
with
you
all,
and
so
it's
in
here
to
get
you
to
opine
on
it
now.
But
we
are
not
sure
that
this
is
the
appropriate
legal
mechanism
to
do
so.
At.
K
S
A
U
U
U
One
of
the
things
to
remember
is
across
the
street
to
the
south
of
this
is
the
county,
so
we're
basically
on
the
edge
of
the
city
here,
just
to
continue
that
the
trail
itself
is
a
20-foot
easement.
This
is
this
was
all
Indian
Land.
The
map
we
did
previously
were
for
the
bow
sisters,
and
so
the
easement
and
the
dedication
happened
on
that
previous
map.
U
U
That
should
be
similar
to
what
we
have
on
the
project
to
the
west,
but
that
again
I
noticed
that
it
can
be
a
discussion
at
that
time
when
we
bring
that
in
the
gate
is,
if
you
think
about
it,
this
street
has
four
projects
eventually,
it'll
have
five
three
of
them
have
Gates.
This
one
would
be
the
fourth
it's
a
it's:
a
single
family,
housing
or
single
family
home
development.
A
single
house
could
get
built
and
be
out
there
all
by
itself
for
a
while.
U
This
is
the
only
thing
that
would
not
be
gated.
We
are
at
the
end
of
the
city,
I,
don't
know
how
much
police
traffic
we
get
out
there.
There's
no
street
lights
offered
it's
as
much
as
an
aesthetic
thing,
as
it
is
a
security
item
to
have
some
kind
of
gate
in
there.
I
mean
I've
been
doing
this
here
in
this
town
for
40
years,
I've
been
involved
in
all
the
discussions
about
Gates
when
the
general
plan
was
changed
and
I
agree
with
most
of
those
reasons.
U
In
this
case,
this
is
not
a
neighborhood
that
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
go
walking
through.
We
don't
even
have
a
sidewalk
to
get
here.
This
is
not
a
part
of
the
fabric
of
a
section
that
has
homes
has
neighborhoods.
We
want
to
have
circulation
path
through
this
thing.
This
is
at
the
very
end,
it's
four
homes.
It's
a
private
driveway,
that's
kind
of
our
reasoning
on
that,
and
we
can
bring
that
back
up
when
we
bring
the
gate
back
through
or
the
proposal
for
the
gate.
E
U
I
U
E
Yeah
I'm
just
going
to
say
this:
this
is
a
this.
Is
an
item
dying
to
be
an
application
and
it's
not
an
application.
It's
simply
a
request
for
a
lot
split.
So
with
respect
to
the
lot
split.
I,
don't
see
any
problems
with
that,
but
I
I
I'm,
a
I,
don't
know
where
to
go
with
some
of
these
other
questions
like
the
gate
in
the
wall.
If
this
isn't
coming
back,
then
it's
left
to
to
you
to
make
that
call
on
those
things.
Do
you
want
input?
C
I
think
on
the
advice
of
the
attorneys
I,
don't
know
that
the
commission
can
take
any
sort
of
actionable
decision
related
to
the
gate,
but
I
think
it
may
help
the
applicant
as
well
as
staff
in
processing
this
in
the
future.
Knowing
that
it
may
not
come
back
for
higher
level
review
to
know
where
the
commission
stands
on,
that,
should
you
wish
to
discuss
it
and
make
a
recommendation
to
staff
so.
E
So
we
allowed
them
to
close
off,
so
they
wouldn't
get
overwhelmed
with
with
off-site
parking.
So
I
think
if
they're
individual
homes,
rather
than
like
Walden
development,
then
they
get
to
do
a
gate,
I
think
without
any
input
from
us
right,
they
can
put
a
gate
in
front
of
their
own
driveways
right.
So
that's
where
it
gets
a
little
squishy.
So
you
know
I'm.
Just
for
my
comment.
I,
you
know
I
think
that
we
have
a
reason
for
not
having
gated
communities
and
I
stand
by
that.
O
I
A
Light
on
the
thinking
do
we
need
to?
Can
we
just
make
a
motion
and
go
forward?
Sorry?
Can
we
just
make
a
motion
I'm
going
to
move
approval
of
the
subdivision
and
we
have
a
negative
death
with
this?
Don't
we,
oh
it
says,
do
a
categorical
assumption
with
the
equestrian
language
that
you
developed
if
and
I
think,
that's
the
only
motion
that
I'm
going
to
make
I
think
people
can
I.
C
C
A
C
E
T
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Roberts
I
I
would
Echo
what
Mr
hadwin
had
mentioned
earlier
yeah.
We
are
here
discussing
the
10
of
parcel
map
and
the
subdivision
of
one
lot.
Four
Lots
really
the
discussion
about
the
gate,
the
wall
and
above
ground
improvements
will
come
at
a
later
time
when
a
building
permit
or
other
entitlement
to
build
above
ground
is
filed
with
the
city.
At
that
time,
we
will
assess
for
zoning
and
other
development
Code
Compliance.
T
E
E
I
A
C
So,
just
before
our
assistant,
director,
David
Newell,
launches
into
what
I'm
sure
will
be
a
very
detailed
and
riveting
presentation
about
four
years
of
his
very
hard
work.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
a
few
remarks,
the
first
of
which
is.
This
is
really
the
result
of
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
by
David
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
folks
here,
certainly
before
I
started,
and
so
we're
excited
to
present
this
to
you
tonight.
C
It's
it's
tremendous
to
me
the
the
level
of
involvement
of
the
state
in
planning
matters
here
for
for
better
or
worse,
but
what
it
means
for
us
is
every
time
we
get
to
another
draft.
There's
new
legislation
and
it's
hard
to
sort
of
keep
on
top
of
the
ever-shifting
landscape
and
so
part
of
the
reason
this
has
taken
so
long
is
we
have
gone
through
several
reviews
with
hcd,
both
formally
and
informally,
to
get
to
this
point,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
no,
no
secret!
C
That
Palm
Springs
is
is
I,
think
very
aggressive
on
housing
and
very
pro-housing,
and
yet
it
has
still
been
a
challenge
to
get
to
this
point.
So
I
just
want
to
sort
of
set
the
table
for
you
all
that
this
may
feel
like
we're
kind
of
rushing
through
this
with
you
all
and
and
sort
of
maybe
not
spending
as
much
time
walking
through
this
page
by
Page
like
we
would
ideally
do.
C
But
it's
because
we
kind
of
are
running
up
against
a
whole
series
of
deadlines,
and
this
has
been
the
result
of
a
lot
of
work.
There's
also
an
important
piece
of
context
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
and
hidden
in
state
legislation
called
the
builders
remedy.
So
you
may
have
heard
of
this,
but
it
essentially
state
law
that
says
in
the
absence
of
having
a
compliant
housing
element.
C
Builders
May,
circumvent
local
planning
rules
to
build
housing
without
regard
to
our
planning
rules,
and
we
are
currently
in
that
position
and
we
in
fact
have
had
interest
from
different
parties
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
To
do
that.
So
one
of
the
other
reasons
that
we
are
doing
this
quickly
and
that
the
council
is
very
interested
in
seeing
this
in
another
week
or
two,
and
this
goes
to
them,
is
that
we
want
to
get
ourselves
out
of
that
situation.
So
we
need
to
adopt
this.
C
C
It's
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
think
that
these
are
generally
good
policies,
they're
generally
things
we
should
be
doing
and
for
the
most
part,
they're
feasible,
or
we
have
latitude
on
how
they're
implemented
to
make
sure
that
they
are
feasible.
So
this
is
not
committing
us
to
to
anything
that
we
think
is
outside
the
realm
of
what
is
possible
or
good
for
Palm
Springs.
C
So
I
want
to
set
the
table
in
that
way
as
well
and
then,
finally,
just
to
say
that
we
have
still
not
received
formal
certification
from
hcd,
which
is
certainly
their
preference
before
this
comes
to
you
all
to
adopt
it,
but
I
think
in
understanding
the
pressure
that
we
have
politically
and
understanding
the
Builder's
remedy
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in.
They
have
said,
after
this
last
formal
review
in
May
or
June,
that
we
were
so
close
that
we
could
go
ahead,
go
through
the
process
and
then
get
it
formally
certified
with
them.
C
You'll
see
in
the
resolution-
and
this
will
also
be
in
the
version
that
goes
to
the
city
council-
that
we've
given
us
some
latitude
to
make
administrative
changes
to
ensure
that
we
comply
and
meet
certification
from
them.
If
anything
is
beyond
sort
of
an
administrative
correction
to
meet
hcd's
requirements,
we
would
come
back
and
update
you
all
on
that,
but
with
that
I
will
stop
talking
and
turn
it
back
to
chairwormick.
A
And
then,
over
to
David
for
the
new
mem,
the
three
new
members
of
the
commission
I
want
to
apologize
that
you're
getting
100
180
page
document
with
very
limited
time
to
review
it.
The
commission,
the
previous
commission,
had
this
before
us
several
times,
and
some
of
us
have
also
reviewed
it
with
a
committee
that
has
been
reviewing
the
general
plan
amendments.
This
is
a
lot
longer.
I
think
the
last
document
we
saw
was
about
30
pages.
A
B
So
with
that
said,
given
the
amount
of
time
that
we've
had
that
has
passed
and
for
the
benefit
of
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
or
the
new
Commissioners
I
really
wanted
to
just
start.
With
some
background
on,
you
know
the
basics:
what
is
what
is
a
housing
element,
and
so
it
essentially
serves
as
the
the
policy
document.
The
housing
policy
document
that
addresses
are
housing
needs.
B
It
is
required
to
be
updated
every
eight
years.
This
is
the
six
cycle.
Housing
element
it
originally
started
in
1969
and
part
of
the
process
is
that
we
are
looking
at
compliance
with
state
laws
as
it
relates
to
housing
for
all
segments
of
the
population,
and
so,
as
I
mentioned,
these
documents
are
reviewed
by
the
Department
of
Housing
and
Community
Development.
They
do
certify
compliance
with
the
state
laws
in
the
California
government
codes.
B
B
Existing
needs
must
include
current
housing,
stock
characteristics,
overpayment
and
overcrowding,
population,
Trends
and
employment
data.
It
is
also
required
to
provide
analysis
and
description
on
specific
populations,
including
Farm,
Workers
families
and
female-headed
households,
people
experiencing
homelessness,
people
with
disabilities
and
seniors
in
terms
of
projected
needs.
We
have
to
demonstrate
that
we
have
adequate.
We
can
adequate
accommodate
the
projected
growth
in
our
Regional.
Housing
needs
assessment
and
they'll
be
more
on
that
later.
In
the
presentation,
the
document
was
also
required
to
identify
and
analyze
potential
in
actual
constraints
on
the
maintenance
and
development
of
housing.
B
Such
analysis
is
includes
both
governmental
and
non-governmental
constraints
for
all
income
levels.
We
are
required
to
include
an
inventory
of
land
and
sites
for
new
housing,
with
proper
zoning
and
density
for
all
income
levels
during
our
planning
period,
and
every
housing
element
is
required
to
have
goals,
policies
and
programs
that
make
up
our
housing
plan.
B
That
being
said,
the
as
director
hatterman
has
mentioned,
the
landscape
has
changed
quite
significantly
since
the
prior
housing
element
cycle,
there's
been
several
state
laws
that
have
been
enacted.
A
couple
here
on
the
screen
that
you
see,
ab686
is
one
of
the
most
fundamental
changes
to
State
housing
element
law.
That's
happened
in
recent
decades.
This
essentially
extends
the
reach
of
housing
element,
housing,
significantly
more
issues,
well
Beyond
housing
and
incorporates
federal,
fair
housing
planning
requirements
into
the
housing
element.
B
Ab1397
significantly
great
includes
greater
scrutiny
on
the
use
of
underutilized
sites
for
feasible
development
or
mixed
uses,
and
so
because
of
restrictions.
Most
cities
are
trying
to
identify
vacant
land
to
accommodate
their
Arena,
so
the
city
really
had
to
limit
the
number
of
sites
to
avoid
the
high
bar.
For
this
analysis,
there's
been
other
things
that
have
have
been
included
in
in
this
cycle
of
the
house
element.
B
It's
a
significant
issue
that
clarifies
group
home
requirements
throughout
the
state,
and
so
we
had
been
working
through
some
of
those
issues
during
the
past
year
and
a
half
as
we've
been
finalizing
this
document.
So
that's
just
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
background
of
what
what's
changed
since
the
prior
review
that
the
Planning
Commission
had
a
couple
of
years
ago.
B
One
important
element
of
all
housing
elements
is
the
Regional
Housing
needs
assessment
and
so
often
commonly
referred
to
as
Arena.
As
you
see
here
in
the
table
on
the
right
of
this
screen.
What's
changed
in
this
cycle?
Is
we've
had
to
plan
for
a
significantly
greater
amount
of
housing
units
for
the
various
income
levels?
You
see
on
the
very
right
side
what
we
had
in
the
prior
planning
cycle
from
2014
to
21,
a
total
of
272
units
was
required,
so
our
current
Arena
requirement
is
2557
units
between
21
and
2029.
B
Obviously,
that's
quite
a
significant
increase
at
10,
a
10
time
higher
or
10x
higher
than
our
previous
cycle.
It's
just
it's
important
to
note
that
the
city
is
not
required
to
build
these
units,
but
we
do
have
to
plan
for
them
and
we
do
get
credit
when
the
when
units
are
built
meeting
the
various
income
levels
and
it's
important
that
the
state
likes
to
see
that
cities
generally
have
a
buffer,
above
that
minimum
requirement,
above
that
2500
number
to
address
for
no
loss
requirements
in
state
law.
B
B
So
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
basically
strategized
in
our
house
element
a
way
to
address
our
our
Arena
numbers,
as
you
probably
saw
in
the
document.
We
identified
several
projects
that
were
approved
and
planned
for
various
developments
and
most
of
those
were
really
helping.
The
city
achieve
its
higher
income
levels,
so
above
moderate
income.
B
We
also
looked
at
vacant
sites
in
the
city
that
were
zoned
for
housing
that
have
or
will
have
appropriate
infrastructure
and
services.
So
that
generally,
is
our
higher
density
designations
that
specifically
permit
residential
and
don't
allow
other
uses
some
such
as
like
our
mixed
use,
designation.
So,
where
we
have
a
mixed
use
designation,
we
didn't
look
at
those
sites
because
there's
obviously
potential
for
some
other
used
to
be
developed
on
that
site.
B
The
other
strategy
that
we
looked
at
is
accessory
dwelling
units
and
how
those
units
can
help
the
city
achieve
some
of
our
lower
income
and
moderate
income
needs
and
based
on
the
trends
that
we
have
seen
in
development,
we
expect
that
we
can
achieve
at
least
40
units
per
year,
and,
after
all
of
that,
we
brought
forward
this
hasn't
changed.
There
was
a
site
in
the
Northerly
part
off
of
Palm
Canyon
that
we're
looking
at
rezoning
for
high
density
residential
and
so
with.
B
B
B
So
the
chalk
project,
the
Vista
Sunrise
2
project
at
the
aloe
project,
those
three
projects
were
are
helping
the
city
achieve
its
numbers
during
our
planning
cycle.
We
also
identified
several
other
vacant
sites
that
you
see
here
in
pink.
That
would
help
the
city
also
achieve
its
lower
and
moderate
income
units.
B
B
So,
looking
at
our
first
housing
goal
to
have
a
diverse,
balanced
housing
opportunities
in
our
city,
the
goal
is
to
facilitate
a
diverse
and
balanced
range
of
housing,
types
prices
and
opportunities
to
address
current
and
future
housing
needs
in
the
city.
So
we've
identified
these
programs
that
you
see
here
in
green,
adequate
sites,
regulatory
incentives,
Financial
incentives,
accessory
Dawn
units,
small
lot,
housing,
Hotel
conversion,
inclusionary,
Housing
and
Development
code
update,
as
well
as
a
variety
of
housing
for
all.
B
B
B
So
that's
one
that
also
again
was
in
coordination
with
the
state.
This
is
something
that
we
needed
to
do
to
ensure
we're
achieving
our
maximum
density
program.
1.9
variety
of
housing
for
all.
We
are
required
to
amend
our
zoning
codes
from
emergency
cell
shelters,
transition
on
Supportive,
Housing
and
low
barrier
navigation
centers
under
state
law,
as
well
as
revised
codes
and
permit
processes
for
residential
care
facilities,
to
remove
barriers
for
housing
for
disabled
individuals.
B
So
that's
kind
of
a
summary
of
our
first
housing
housing
goal
and
some
of
the
changes
that
we've
seen
I
can
continue
on
and
going
through.
Each
of
the
other
housing
goals.
Madam
chair,
if
you'd
like
or
if.
If
this
is
an
appropriate
time
that
the
commission
may
have
questions
on
some
of
these
initial
changes
or
any
of
the
other
programs
in
Gold.
B
N
A
C
B
B
B
C
I
think
it's
part
of
the
comprehensive
zoning
update
that
will
follow
this.
We
could
perhaps
look
at
the
legal
parameters
around
requiring
it
versus
incentivizing
and
see
what
we
can
incorporate
at
that
time,
because
through
that
process,
we're
absolutely
you
know
and
we're
committed
to,
in
fact,
in
this
document,
to
removing
those
those
development
barriers
and
further
encouraging
housing.
Productions.
A
A
O
Miller
yeah
I
had
a
question
for
staff
regarding
that
goal.
One
the
small
lot
housing
is
that
referring
to
like
tiny
homes
or
is
that
something
different?
Is
that
just
more
Compact
and
if
it
doesn't
include
tiny
homes?
Have
we
considered
the
whole
sort
of
tiny
home
concept
where
people
are
willing
to
live
in
250
or
300
400
500
square
feet,
and
we
provide
a
mechanism
for
them
to
do
that,
but
it
still
meets
our
housing
needs
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
want
to
live
in
a
2,
000
square
foot
house
anymore.
O
N
O
B
Commissioner
Miller,
yes,
that
is,
that
is
kind
of
I,
think
what
this
program
is
getting
at.
It
says
that
Palm
Springs
continues
to
see
development
of
single-family
homes
and
higher
end
condos,
which
are
not
affordable
to
Middle
income
residents.
Duplexes
fourplexes
causes
courts
and
Courtyard
homes
can
provide
diverse
options
and
support
local
retail.
B
So
we
identify
review
existing
land
use
designations
and
Amanda
make
amendments
as
needed
to
provide
opportunities
for
middle-income
housing.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
we
get
to
that
level
of
detail
that
you're
talking
about,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
we
could
look
at
as
a
part
of
our
program
to
improve
the
zoning
code
to
allow
for
that.
C
Yeah
I
would
just
say:
we've
already
had
interest
in
the
kind
of
development
that
you're
speaking
to
and
I
think
when
we
go
through
the
zoning
code
update
it's
all
going
to
be
about
more
choice
in
housing
and
removing
barriers
to
preventing
that
type
of
development.
So
that
will
absolutely
be
part
of
the
conversation.
A
I
A
C
It
just
provided
I
mean
any
hotel
could,
in
theory,
go
through
a
process
to
convert
right,
but
the
pro
the
the
matter
that
the
Planning
Commission
voted
out
and
then
the
council
approved
was
specifically
for
a
building
that
had
been
built
as
an
apartment,
converted
to
a
hotel
afterwards
and
then
in
order
to
go
back
to
an
apartment
and
meet
today's
standards,
would
not
be
able
to
do
so.
For
you
know,
plethora
of
zoning
and
building
issues.
So
we
were
giving
more
flexibility
to
those.
A
B
Okay,
so
that
is
our
first
goal.
The
next
goal
we
have
is
housing
is
related
to
housing
and
neighborhood
quality
in
this
goal,
we're
fostering
a
high
quality
of
life
and
vibrant
neighborhoods
through
the
preservation
and
Improvement
of
Housing
and
neighborhood
character
and
provision
of
community
services.
B
There
were
some
changes
to
the
programs
in
this
goal:
the
first
being
housing,
Rehabilitation
programs
revised
some
of
those
programs,
and
that
is
something
that
we've,
the
council,
has
already
kind
of
discussed
and
talked
about
related
to
housing
Rehabilitation.
So
we've
identified
275
000
annually
committed
to
that
with
Council
approval
and
increasing
the
maximum
Grant
amount
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
B
B
So
that
was
a
revision
from
the
last
review
program.
2.7
Neighborhood,
Services,
we've
added
actions
to
evaluate
ways
to
encourage
and
increase
participation
of
multi-family
and
mobile
home
parks
in
our
neighborhood
organizations,
assist
in
outreaching
to
an
engaging
historically
disadvantaged
neighborhoods,
and
so
that
is
further
kind
of
discussed
in
program
5.9,
where
we
talk
about
that
goals
related
to
fair
housing,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
certainly
a
lot
more
discussion
on
that
later.
But
I
think
it's
more
about!
B
We
have
a
programmed
to
complete
a
Broadband
master
plan
in
assessing
coverage
and
plan
to
serve
underserved
neighborhoods,
and
this
should
be
programmed
into
our
Capital
Improvement
program
and
then,
lastly,
Implement
Community
Workforce
agreement
that
reserves
30
total
hours
of
qualified
Public
Works
projects
for
disadvantaged
groups,
so
as
I
kind
of
speak
to
some
of
that
really
related
to
program
5.9
and
these
programs
in
the
fair
housing
discussion.
That
is
obviously,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
in
the
presentation
that
one
thing
that
has
changed
significantly
since
the
prior
document
is.
B
We
have
more
discussion
in
the
document
now
about
fair
housing
issues
in
the
in
the
city.
We
explore
issues
of
the
past,
as
you
saw
in
the
descriptions
in
the
document,
and
we
identify
areas
that
have
historically
been
underserved
or
currently
have
a
segregated
population.
So
so
that's
kind
of
part
of
some
of
the
improvements
that
we've
made
for
this.
A
It's
it's
interesting
that
we
would
develop
the
ihub
I
mean
there's
some
things
that
are
going
to
be
hard
to
do
and
are
going
to
take
the
council
and
the
entire
Community
to
want
to
do
it
like
the
ihub
and
the
campus.
Hopefully,
those
are
moving
along
though
the
one
I
just
have
a
problem
with
is
the
neighborhood
watch
in
all
50
neighborhoods.
There
are
a
couple
of
neighborhoods
that
need
that
help
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
our
advantaged
neighborhoods
need
the
help
with
neighborhood
watch
that
are
disadvantaged.
B
B
A
B
Those
were
comments
that
we
heard
during
our
listening
sessions.
We
did
in
June
of
2021
several
Outreach
and
neighborhood
listening
sessions
in
the
various
in
various
neighborhoods
of
the
city.
That
was
a
very
specific
comment
that
we
heard.
So
it
is
a
program
that
is
now
part
of
the
document
housing
program,
3.8
Regional,
Housing
forums.
We
have
a
new
action
and
that
is
attend
monthly
meetings
of
the
lift
to
rise,
collaborative
Action
Network
and
seek
opportunities
to
address
the
values
housing
needs.
Staff
is
currently
doing
that
already.
So
we
are
very
active
with
that.
B
So
those
are
some
of
the
you
know,
as
I
said.
Very
brief.
Summary
changes
that
we've
had
since
the
prior
review,
but
in
this
housing
goal
you
know
as
a
as
you
see
here
on
the
screen.
We
we
identify
rental
assistance
issues,
emergency
rental
assistance,
programs,
encouraging
resource
linkages
and
several
others
so
happy
to
answer
your
questions
on
this
one.
C
And
as
you're
digesting
that
I
would
just
say
it
seems
like
some
of
these.
These
section
three
goals
are
potentially
costly
but
again
I
think
in
in
discussing
with
City
staff.
You
know
these
are
programs
that
were
already
under
consideration
and
if
you
read
closely,
you
know
we're
presenting
them
for
consideration,
so
we're
not
committing
to
anything
circumventing
the
council's
authority
and.
A
C
B
Yeah
and
so
as
you
look
at
the
Housing
Programs,
our
implementation
actions
that
I
kind
of
were
summarized
in
the
staff
report.
That's
really
those
are
really
our
as
I
mentioned
implementation
actions
to
achieve
our
goals.
At
the
end
of
the
document,
we
do
have
a
table
that
summarizes
and
and
basically
regurgitates.
All
of
these
programs
into
the
table
has
very
specific,
corresponding
departments
that
are
responsible
for
implementing
those
and
then
there's
also
a
column
related
to
funding
mechanisms,
as
well
as
the
time
frame
for
each
of
these
programs
to
be
completed.
A
B
B
B
If
there's
no
questions,
I'll
jump
to
number
four,
really
no
major
changes
to
this
housing
goal
on
resource
conservation.
Since
the
last
review
of
the
commission,
it's
really
stuff
that
we
have
to
do
as
a
part
of
you
know
ensuring
we're
protecting
our
resources
and
not
you
know,
developing
housing
in
areas
that
can't
or
shouldn't
have
housing,
because
there's
environmental
issues
or
constraints
and
following
other
City
established
ordinances
and
policies.
B
The
next
program
5.2
support
and
expand
housing
and
services
to
assist
people
living
with
HIV
and
AIDS.
We
have
new
actions
for
this
program.
It
is
a
new
program,
identify
housing
opportunities
for
affordable
housing
for
people
living
with
HIV
and
AIDS,
expand
collaborative
network
of
Supportive
Services
to
serve
people
with
HIV
and
AIDS,
and
support
a
local
partner
dap
to
implement
their
master
plan
and
provide
Clinical
Services
program.
5.3
is
on
senior
housing
and
services.
B
B
Okay,
so
HS
5.5
housing
for
homeless
people.
We
have
new
programs
and
actions,
earmarking,
state
and
federal
funds
to
continue
to
provide
services
and
support
existing
and
future
housing
opportunities
for
homeless
people
working
with
various
Partners
to
pursue
projects
that
address
housing
and
supportive
services
for
the
needs
of
our
homeless
population.
B
Several
programs
related
to
state
law
on
to
amend
our
zoning
code
to
address
constraints
on
accommodating
housing
for
homeless
people,
so
that
would
include
transitional
and
Supportive
Housing
permit
permanent
Supportive,
Housing
and
low
barrier
navigation
centers.
So
we
would
identify
zones
where
those
are
all
permissible.
B
B
Lastly,
for
this
program
fund
administering
complete
development
of
additional
projects
for
housing,
homeless,
people
in
Palm
Springs,
so
those
are
projects
that
we're
already
currently
working
on
our
navigation,
Center,
the
aloe
project
and
Vista
sunrise
program,
5.6
housing
for
families
with
children.
We
have
new
programs
to
expand
family
housing
options
with
the
development
of
affordable
and
suitable
housing
for
families.
B
B
Program,
5.9
disadvantaged
communities
implement
all
actions
metrics
and
time
frames
that
is
in
table
334,
and
so
that
is
also
a
new
table
that
was
not
part
of
the
prior
document
table.
334
is
really
what
the
state
has
been
most
critical
of
in
terms
of
our
programs
and
how
we're
addressing
fair
housing
issues
in
the
city,
and
so
there
are
several
several
programs
that
probably
be
a
good
time
to
go
through
those.
B
B
Four,
so
that
table
table
334
is
basically,
as
you
see,
it
identifies
five
issues
related
to
fair
housing
and
what
the
city
has
been
doing
as
far
as
a
meaningful
action
to
address
those
issues
and
similar
to
the
housing
program.
Summary
at
the
end
of
the
document.
This
table
also
includes
other
other
items
that
each
program
is
required
to
evaluate
and
complete
in
a
certain
time
frame.
So
Geographic
targeting
and
metrics
has
been
a
very
a
big
comment
from
the
state
and
has
been
basically
every
time
we've
submitted.
B
B
And
then,
lastly,
going
back
to
our
staff
report
on
program,
5.9
disadvantaged
communities,
we're
annually
reporting
the
progress
to
our
Human
Rights
Commission,
adjusting
actions
as
needed
to
continue
progress
and
achievement
of
our
goals
and
seek
opportunities
for
leveraging
the
activate
Palm
Springs
program
where
the
Blue
Zone
Program
to
address
and
improve
disadvantaged
communities
and
then
the
last
program.
5.10
housing.
B
B
So
that
is
really
a
summary
of
of
our
housing
goals.
Throughout
this
process
there
has
been
several
public
participation
opportunities.
We
have
our
general
plan.
Steering
committee
who
has
been
has
has
looked
at
the
document.
It's
been
a
long
time,
but
they
haven't
looked
at
these
changes,
but
they
didn't
review
the
document.
The
past,
that
was,
that
is
a
public
meeting.
Those
are
public
meetings.
B
B
We've
had
several
surveys
and,
of
course
we
are
having
our
hearing
tonight
for
opportunities
to
participate
and
provide
comments.
We
certainly
had
a
lot
of
comments
and
feedback
when
we
were
initially
preparing
the
draft
document,
but
more
recently,
we've
apparently
we've
been
doing
an
okay
job,
because
we
haven't
really
gotten
any
comments
on
our
our
most
recent
document.
We
did
receive
a
letter
today
which
we
provided
to
you
for
review,
from
lift
to
rise,
but
other
than
that
we
haven't
received
any
comments.
Lately.
B
B
O
A
A
I
am
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
send
this
along,
but
the
comment
I
would
have.
Is
that
it's
not
all
something
we
can
do.
You
know
we
can't
do
it
all
in
a
year
and
we
can.
We
probably
can't
do
all
of
it
in
the
nine
years
that
we
have,
but
we
can
try.
It
requires
if
we
actually
do
it.
It
requires
a
lot
of
focus
from
the
console
on
housing,
more
Focus
than
we've
seen
in
the
past,
and
some
of
it's
really
exciting
to
me,
I
mean
the
Inc.
A
The
idea
of
the
increases
in
density,
some
of
the
Zoning
for
our
work,
some
of
the
zoning
changes,
some
of
the
Registries
I-
think
there's
some
things
that
we
really
can
do,
but
mainly
I,
think
we
need
to
get
out
of
hcd's
hands
and
we
need
to
get
this
approved
and
get
it
for
the
console
to
look
at
what
can
be
implemented
when
and
I
think.
That's
probably
the
next
task.
A
C
A
B
A
O
A
You
know
I'll
throw
one
out.
We
have
to
talk
about
Christmas
parties,
no,
it's
September!
You
have
to
you
have
to
plan
ahead.
So
why
don't
you
think
over
the
next
two
weeks?
If
any
of
you
want
to
have
the
Christmas
party
at
your
place,
we
typically
invite
Planning
Commission
Architectural
Review
staff
and
city
council,
and
we
might
invite
hspb
this
time
because
we've
somehow
never
got
to
invite
them
before,
but
it
it's
a
nice
event.
It
requires
a
decently
large
house.
If
anybody
wants
to
do
it
a.