►
From YouTube: Planning Commission Meeting | Nov 9 2022
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Palm Springs Planning Commission, held November 9th, 2022
A
A
A
A
A
A
Thank
you
all
in
favor,
hi,
okay,
it
looks
like
we
have
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
We
are
going
to
move
on
to
the
public
comments
period
of
our
agenda.
This
is
for
the
public
to
make
comments
or
speak
to
us
about
any
issue
they
would
like
to
to
bring
up.
We
are.
We
are
not
able
to
respond
to
you
if
it's
not
on
our
agenda
and
if
it
is
on
our
agenda,
we'll
respond
at
that
time,
but
the
public
is
welcome
to
make
comments.
B
A
Excellence
then
we
are
going
to
close
at
this
point.
The
public
comments
part
and
we
are
going
to
move
to
the
consent
calendar.
The
only
thing
we
have
on
our
consent
connect
calendar
tonight
is
the
minutes,
and
two
of
us
are
recusing
so
and
we
can
I
get
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
or
are
there
any
alterations
for
changes
to
the
minutes?.
G
A
Aye
any
opposed
motion
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
At
this
point,
we
are
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
our
public
hearings
at
this
point,
because
I
have
a
conflict.
In
our
first
case,
I
have
ownership
in
the
building
of
the
case
that
is
coming
before
us.
I
will
recuse
myself
and
I
will
tune
out,
and
director
had
one
I'll
hand
it
to
you
to
appoint
another
chair
for
this.
B
Particular
item-
thank
you.
Vice,
chair
Roberts.
You
know,
as
the
vice
chair
has
suggested,
in
the
interest
of
ensuring
that
we
have
an
appropriate
moderator.
I
would
like
to
request
that
commissioner
Elion
a
land
temporarily
chair
the
meeting
in
your
in
the
vice
chair's
absence
until
he
returns
following
this
item,
but
I
would
also
like
to
ask
for
the
consent
of
the
commission
to
do
so
if
I
could
get
a
show
of
hands
for
those
in
support.
B
H
Thank
you
item
before
us
is
our
first
public
hearing.
It's
item
number
2A
on
the
agenda:
Anthony
Hazel
of
memadex
LLC
for
conditional
use,
permit
application
to
operate
a
1476
square
foot
cocktail
lounge
and
an
accessory
micro
Distillery
at
700,
North,
Palm,
Canyon,
Drive,
The,
Zone,
C1,
section
10
case
5.1563
cup.
I
The
project
site
is
located
in
the
Uptown
area
and
this
is
actually
a
class
one
historic
property,
the
size
of
the
law
and
the
building
size
shown
here
no
conforming
to
the
current
requirements.
So
this
building
is
relatively
small
on
a
very
tiny
lot,
and
these
are
the
images
of
the
project
site.
This
property
has
been
historically
occupied
by
office
uses
and
the
properties
developed
with
a
port
crochet
on
the
North
Sea
division
and
the
rear
is
unpaved
as
shown
here,
and
there
is
no
existing
trash
enclosure
or
off
street
parking.
I
Provided
applicants
proposing
to
operate
a
cocktail
lounge
and
the
micro
Distillery,
and
this
is
just
to
show
the
the
floor
plan-
that's
been
proposed.
The
area
of
the
cocktail
lounge
will
be
approximately
700
square
feet
and
the
speed
production
will
take
place
in
the
designated
115
square
foot.
Space
shown
in
blue
here
on
this
floor
plan.
I
The
square
footage
of
the
area
which
is
going
to
be
accessible
to
the
general
public
is
700
square
feet
and
the
business
is
proposing
to
provide
a
23
seats
and
the
proposed
accessory
micro,
Distillery
use
it's
going
to
be
conducted
within
the
building
and
the
main
product
or
activity
will
be
the
production
of
a
distilled
Spirit.
More
specifically
gen.
I
When
it's
calculated
annually
under
the
type
74
ABC
license
the
businesses,
every
Chief
produce
a
maximum
of
150
000
gallons.
So
what
is?
Applicants
proposing
tonight
is
actually
equivalent
to
0.1
percent
of
the
maximum
production
permitted
under
the
ABC
license
as
analyzing
a
staff
report.
The
project
is
generating
systems,
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
code.
The
site
currently
does
not
have
a
trash
enclosure
and
the
staff
is
recommending
a
condition
which
requires
a
site
to
be
developed
with
an
enclosure
in
the
back
and
then
also
the
small
side.
I
Excuse
me,
the
site
location
which
is
located
on
the
active
commercial
Corridor
and
up
down
and
the
small
size
of
the
law
are
appropriate
for
small-scale
cocktail
launch
and
micro,
bestiary
and
staff
finds
that
the
recommended
conditions
are
appropriate
for
the
purpose
used
to
ensure
the
safety
and
the
welfare
welfare
of
the
General
Public,
and
for
these
reasons,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
Planning
Commission
approved
the
proposed
project
subject
to
recommended
conditions
of
our
approval.
This
concludes
the
staff,
presentation
and
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
with
us
this
evening.
H
H
And
I'm
not
saying
any
hands
or
anybody
unmuting
themselves.
So
at
this
point,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
You
have
up
to
10
minutes
to
present
any
information
that
you
believe
is
important
and
was
not
included
in
the
staff
report.
At
the
end
of
your
presentation,
the
Commissioners
will
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
you.
J
Hi
guys,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
to
you
guys.
I
won't
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
just
a
lot.
We
try
to
cover
as
much
as
we
can
in
justification
letter,
and
we
started
to
put
this
business
together.
My
wife
and
I
three
years
ago,
Palm
Springs
Spirits
company.
We
Our
intention
was
to
create
world-class
Spirits
award-winning
Spirits,
which
we
we
have
done
successfully
and
I'll
I'll.
J
We
wanted
it
to
make
an
informal,
informative
and
educational
presentation
of
spirits
and
spirit
production
in
general,
giving
people
an
opportunity
to
taste
test
our
spirits
and
and
then
enjoy
cocktail
made
with
them
creative
cocktail,
with
the
addition
of
tapestyle
presentation
of
food,
namely
oysters
and
seafood
theme,
and
we
feel
that
we
found
a
perfect
spot
to
create
this
at
this
location
to
successfully
create
this.
So
so
that's
we're
gonna.
H
D
Yes,
sorry
for
the
delay,
just
a
quick
question
for
the
applicant
and
I
I:
don't
need
a
extended
version
of
this,
but
the
Gin
production
process.
I
know
you're
only
doing
about
five
hours.
Is
it
five
hours
a
month
or
five
hours
a
year?
Could
you
just
briefly
explain
what
that
entails
in
what
kind
of
materials
or
Machinery
is
used.
J
Yes,
we
have
a
small
scale
still
that
that
gets
used
and
it's
and
the
entry
proof
of
the
still
is
quite
lone
around
about
45
to
50
percent
by
volume
and
the
Gin
is
created
with
the
use
of
Botanicals
and
Botanical
infusion
that
macerates
in
the
in
the
spirit
and
then
passes
through
the
still.
The
still
is
silent
and
odorless
it.
It
rises
up
in
the
column
condenses
back
to
a
liquid
and
that's
how
we
created
we
in
in
that
room.
J
The
facility
we're
also
able
to
proof
and
dilute
the
concentrate
by
adding
water
to
to
bring
it
down
to.
You,
know
typically
40
alcohol
and
then
we're
also
able
to
create
other
spirits
that
we're
able
to
buy
in
legally
with
our
licensing,
whiskeys
and
and
other
spirits
that
we
can
also
bottle
in
in
the
facility
label
and
and
then
present
to
the
public.
H
J
H
J
H
Seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
although
it's
a
little
unorthodox
I'm
going
to
allow
the
applicant
to
ask
questions,
although
you
should
not
expect
a
response
from
the
permission,
this
will
be
our
opportunity,
but
you,
if
your
questions
are
something
that
are
going
to
shed
light
on
the
matter,
we'll
listen
to
the
questions.
Okay,.
J
Sounds
good,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
we
were
hoping
to
cover
here
in
today's
medium
present.
You
guys
that
weren't
really
weren't
covered
as
well
as
we
hoped
in
the
justification,
letter
and
presentation
to
this
point,
namely
that's
the
use
of
the
outdoor
space.
That's
at
the
back
of
the
building.
J
We
realized
that
it
hasn't
been
addressed
fully
in
this
presentation,
but
we
would
especially
ask
the
committee
if
they
would
consider
our
ability
to
make
use
of
this
outdoor
space,
as
required
for
additional
seating
similar
to
something
of
friends
that
was
was
Thomas.
Brewing
recently
did
with
their
space,
where
they're,
making
use
of
picnic
tables
to
extend
the
the
range
of
opportunities
for
people
to
sit
and
enjoy
enjoy
the
great
weather
we
have
here
in
Palm
Springs
in
an
outdoor
setting.
So
we're
hoping
that
okay.
H
Mr
Hazel
before
you
go
further.
What
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that,
if
you
have
things
you
would
like
to
ask
for
on
your
application,
excuse
me
on
your
application.
If
you
would
like
to
amend
it
or
be
able
to
do
additional
things,
we
won't
be
prepared
to
address
that
now.
What
you
I
would
suggest
you
do
is
request
a
continuance
and
bring
those
items
to
staff,
because
these
things
would
really
take
a
step
review
and
Analysis
and
recommendation
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
us
to
act
upon
I
see
that
Mr
priest.
H
G
Was
just
going
to
agree
with
your
sentiments,
commissioner,
alien
unless
staff
is
already
looked
at
this
and
is
prepared
to
give
information
about
outdoor
seating?
My
understanding
is.
The
premise
of
the
staff
report
is
that
the
outdoor
area
was
not
being
used.
There
is
a
condition
that
prohibits
outdoor
entertainment
and
Amplified
sound
music,
that's
already
in
the
conditions,
but
I
don't
know
from
staff's
perspective,
whether
perhaps
additional
conditions
or
additional
analysis
would
be
necessary
to
add
this
added
element
to
the
use
at
this
late
date.
B
Yeah,
commissioner
land,
if
I
may
add
on
to
that
I
I,
would
agree
with
what
Mr
priest
just
said.
We
we
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
analyze
what
additional
seating
or
use
of
the
outdoor
area
would
be.
That's
certainly
not
to
say
that
we
wouldn't
support
it,
but
I
think
you
know
we
have
analyzed
and
presented.
B
You
know
what
was
presented
to
us,
which
was
you
know,
I
I,
believe
Mr
Hazel,
I
hadn't
fully
formulated
his
thinking
around
that
outdoor
space,
which
we
certainly
appreciate
so
I.
Think
from
our
perspective,
there's
perhaps
sort
of
two
options
here
for
consideration.
One
is
the
continuance
that
you
suggested,
and
the
other
is
that
you
know.
Mr
Hazel
is
always
welcome
to
come
back
and
amend
the
conditional
use
permit
in
the
future.
It's
it's
not
as
high
a
fee.
B
It's
a
reduced
fee
if
it
could
be
a
more
simple
process,
so
I
would
say
it's
really
up
to
the
applicant
and
the
commission
what
they're
comfortable
with
in
terms
of
the
timing
or
the
use
of
that
outdoor
area,
whether
we
want
to
continue
the
project,
so
we
can
get
that
approved
now.
As
part
of
this
approve
or
whether
you
want
to
spend
some
more
time,
thinking
about
that
and
come
back
at
a
later
date
specific
to
to
that
so
I
think
those
are
sort
of
the
two
options.
Staff
would
be
comfortable
with.
H
G
B
G
Yes
and
Madam
chair
what
I
could
suggest
as
well.
The
commission
I
I
heard
this
question
could
continue,
is
to
December
14th,
therefore,
thereby
not
requiring
new
noticing
of
the
hearing,
because
we
continue
to
get
to
a
date
certain
and
then,
if
December
14th,
it
turns
out
still
not
ready.
Then
the
commission
would
have
a
choice
at
that
point
to
continue
to
further
date,
certain
or
just
open-ended,
and
we
would
re-notice
when
everyone's
ready,
I.
H
All
right
with
this
information
we
had
I
believe
I
will
leave
the
public
hearing
open,
we'll
be
con.
The
the
motion
I
would
accept
from
one
of
the
Commissioners
is
to
continue
this
the
date
certain
of
December
14th,
at
which
time
we
would
hear
the
revised
proposal
and
recommendations
from
staff.
We
would
have
the
public
hearing
open,
so
any
interested
parties
could
submit
additional
information
or
response
to
the
revised
proposal.
H
H
H
I
didn't
hear
or
see
any
names,
but
I
will,
for
the
record,
just
double
check.
I'll
opposed
to
the
message
seeing
none
the
motion
carries
unanimously
and
I
wish
the
applicant
good
luck.
It
looks
like
you
have
an
interesting
proposal
and
when
you
are
certain
that
it
contains
all
the
elements
that
you're
looking
for,
we
look
forward
to
seeing
it
again
great.
A
Excellent.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Owen
for
doing
that
and
I
think
we
can
move
quickly
into
our
next
item,
which
would
be
well.
We
have
no
unfinished
business
so
we'll
move
right
into
new
business,
so
we'll
now
be
considering
item
4A,
which
is
the
DAP
health
for
a
new
Final
development
plan
related
to
a
planned
development
district
for
the
addition
of
19
257
square
feet
of
medical
office,
space
located
at
1695,
North,
Sunrise,
Way,
Zone,
P,
R2,
section
11
case
number,
5.0934,
PDD
281,
and
we
get
a
staff
report.
Please.
K
So,
as
you
mentioned,
this
is
the
desert.
Dap
health
is
here
before
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
final
plan
development
in
to
bring
the
some
of
the
Commissioners,
who
may
not
have
been
on
the
Planning
Commission
when
the
project
went
for
preliminary.
This
is
a
brief
history,
so
the
Planning
Commission
approved
the
preliminary
PD
back
in
November
18th
of
2020.
K
So
the
Planning
Commission
needs
to
make
three
findings
in
order
to
approve
a
final
development
plan.
They,
the
important
ones,
are
that
the
plan
is
in
substantial
conformance
with
the
preliminary
plan
that
the
plan
and
all
the
other
Associated
entitlements
are
in
substantial
conformance
and
that
the
final
development
plan
incorporates
all
the
modifications
and
conditions
at
the
Planning
Commission
city
council
added
at
the
preliminary
development
plan.
Approval
so
we'll
go
through
those
and
I
will
focus
mainly
on
changes
that
have
occurred
from
the
preliminary
to
the
final.
K
A
A
K
Yes,
one
second,
let
me
get
back
to
where
we
were
all
right.
Can
you
see
the
full
screen
now?
Yes,
we
can
right.
Okay.
So
just
briefly,
the
changes
to
the
found
development
plan
is
that
the
building
has
increased
in
size
for
757
square
feet,
for
a
total
of
19
200
some
square
feet.
The
original
preliminary
approval
was
for
eighteen
thousand,
so
it's
at
500,
so
it's
increased
in
size.
The
main
entrance
has
shifted
and
we'll
go
through
each
of
these
quickly.
K
They've
added
a
new
Pharmacy
drive
through
the
building
floor
plan
has
changed
slightly
they've
relocated
an
existing
dog
park
as
adjacent
to
Vista
Sunrise,
one
and
they've
added
a
sliding
gate
at
the
East
access
driveway
to
a
service
area,
so
to
orient
the
Commissioners.
This
was
the
preliminarily
approved
plan
and
you'll
notice
that
the
main
entrance
of
the
DAP
Pavilion
is
oriented
West
and
there's
the
main
driveway
that
comes
in
from
Vista
Chino
itself.
K
The
new
plan
shows
that
the
entrances
angled
more
to
the
north
Southwest
and
they've
added
a
one-way,
Pharmacy
drive-through
and
we'll
go
into
more
detail.
They've
oriented
the
service,
drive
and
service
area
and
added
a
gate
along
Sunrise
Way,
so
other
elements
of
the
final
of
the
floor
plan
include
the
lobby,
the
multi-purpose
room
and
then
a
cafe
that
has
been
moved
from
what
was
preliminary
approved
they've,
also
added
the
drive-through
Pharmacy
and
we'll
get
into
detail
a
bit
more
and
another
entrance.
K
This
is
just
an
extension
towards
vistachino
of
the
building.
The
drive-through
that's
proposed
was
not
part
of
the
preliminary,
but
they're
adding
it
in
a
post-covet
era.
They
feel
that
some
of
these
Design
Elements
will
help
them
better,
serve
their
clients
and,
one
is
to
add
the
Pharmacy
drive
through.
That
will
be
able
to
stack
five
six
cars
as
you
come
in
through
the
realign
West
driveway
and
clients
can
pick
up
their
medications
from
the
drive-through
window.
K
One
other
element
is
that
they've
when
they
relocate
the
entrance
driveway,
they
there
was
an
existing
dog
park
that
Services
Vista
Sunrise
one
they're
relocating
it
between
the
parking
west
parking
lot
and
the
parking
lot
for
Vista
sunrise,
we're
also
adding
a
sliding
gate
off
of
North
Sunrise
Way.
This
will
prevent
unauthorized
vehicles
from
entering
in
the
service
area.
Trash
trucks
and
deliveries
will
be
able
to
enter
through
the
driveway.
K
That
is
off
a
Sunrise
Way
they're
in
your
packet
there's
a
comparison
of
what
the
previous
elevations
are
to
the
more
developed
elevations
and
that's
common
when
we
move
from
a
preliminary
to
a
final
that
the
building
materials
and
other
types
of
building
material
of
elements
are
finalized
and
more
fine-tuned,
and
that
is
what
these
plans
are
showing
and
the
applicant
will
provide
better
detail
on
that
once
again.
There's
building
materials
and
other
design
elements
that
the
applicant
will
go
over
with
you.
K
One
of
the
one
of
the
conditions
in
the
preliminary
approval
was
the
Sunrise
Way
median,
be
added
the
Planning
Commission
added
a
condition
that
a
study
be
conducted
to
look
at
an
enhanced
mid-block
pedestrian
Crossing,
so
that
when
folks,
potentially
jaywalked
from
the
DAP
and
the
New
Vista
Sunrise
Housing
across
the
street
to
the
Stater
Brothers
shopping
center,
that
there
would
either
be
a
mid-block
crossing
put
in
place
and
they
wanted.
You
all
wanted
a
study
that
shows
the
potential
numbers.
K
K
So,
in
discussing
this
with
the
city
engineering
department,
they
due
to
high
speeds
and
traffic
volumes,
a
mid-block
Crossing
is
not
not
sought.
After
that,
a
median
barrier
is
more
appropriate
and
the
applicant
has
prepared
a
design
that
utilizes
berms
landscaping,
rocks
Boulders
and
other
elements
to
people
from
crossing
a
mid
block
just
some
photographs.
This
is
what
the
me
the
current
feetscape
looks
like.
There's
a
left
turn
lane
in
to
into
dap.
K
K
K
If
the
Planning
Commission
so
chooses
that
this
is
the
appropriate
design,
it
will
go
forward
to
design.
If
the
planning
commissioner
would
like
the
arc
to
review
it,
that
is
also
an
option
and
could
be
a
condition.
That's
placed
on
the
approval,
so
the
applicant
has
provided
some
3D
design
elements
or
renderings
of
what
this
would
look
like
as
you
stand
when
you
drive
down
Sunrise
Way
and
Rickman
Harris
from
the
city
engineering
department
is
here.
K
So
the
findings
at
the
Planning
Commission
needs
to
make
is
that
the
final
plan
is
of
substantial
conformance
with
the
preliminary
plan.
Staff
believes
that
all
the
elements
have
been
met
and
we
recommend
approval
vister.
That
concludes
my
report
in
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
for
an
excellent
report.
Mr
Milwaukee.
A
D
For
the
median
improvements
along
sunrise
and
I'm
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this
is
because
it
goes
off
of
their
property
line,
but
is
it
normal
for
there
not
to
be
meeting
improvements?
Sort
of
preceding
the
new
left
turn
into
the
new
main
driveway,
which
I
think
is
south
of
the
phase
two
property
line?
Is
that
why
there's
not
meeting
improvements
requested
for
a
small
segment
of
Sunrise
preceding
the
new
left
turn
into
the
driveway.
D
K
D
I've
got
one
other
question
for
I.
Think
for
Glenn.
I,
wasn't
sure
from
the
plans
that,
along
the
new
southerly
driveway
between
the
driveway
and
the
phase,
two
apartments
which
are
now
under
construction,
is
there
any
sort
of
a
wall?
You
know
a
small
wall
or
a
landscape
strip.
There
it
looked
like
a
lot
of
traffic,
was
going
to
be
traversing
very
close
to
those
new
apartments
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
any
sort
of
separation.
K
D
D
K
D
K
K
D
A
A
A
K
K
F
A
F
F
Have
no
idea
because
I
thought
I
read
somewhere
in
there
that
counted
how
many
people
were
jaywalking
weren't
they
paying
attention
that's
possible,
but
the
location
of
where
they
jaywalk
is
all
right.
I
guess
it
was
not
an
answer
to
that.
It
just
seems
to
me
you
could
find
some
way
to
keep
people
from
running
across
that
by
just
putting
an
additional
those
Hoops
all
the
way
down
the
line
it.
A
A
A
No
other
I,
don't
see
any
of
the
questions
of
Staff
Nissan.
Are
you
here
to
respond,
and
I
first
want
to
welcome
his
song
as
a
former
planning?
Commissioner,
it's
great
to
see
you
again
Nissan.
Will
you
respond
to
the
initial
questions
from
Mr,
commissioner
Miller
and
then,
of
course
take
the
time
that
you
need
or
would
like
to
present
other
aspects
of
this.
L
Sure,
thank
you
so
much.
It's
such
a
pleasure
to
be
in
front
of
you,
honorable,
chair
and
commissioner
members
Mr
maurici,
commissioner
Mercy.
We
would
love
to
continue
that,
but
the
median
really
reduces
down
to
about
three
to
four
feet.
So
when
we
put
these
four
inch
round
steel
arches
the
cars,
if
they
go
over
the
curve,
they
will
hit
those
those
steel
arches.
And
if
we
wasn't
because
of
the
lengthen
or
extended
deceleration
Lanes,
we
would
have
continued
our
design
so
we're
under
like-minded.
L
As
far
as
the
pedestrian
access
we're
we're
very
conscious
about
pedestrians,
cars,
the
fact
that
this
campus
has
two
housing
components
now
and
we
have
several
different
walking
paths
that
are
safe
for
the
residents
as
well
as
the
community.
So
what
you
saw
with
Glenn
is
that
there's
two
sidewalks
on
each
side
running
East-West,
but
we're
actually
going
to
come
back
to
you
with
the
e-space
Improvement
in
2023,
which
will
show
you
even
a
better
design
for
the
East
facade.
L
A
L
L
Okay,
so
what
you're
seeing
here
is
a
much
closer
Pavilion
building
to
the
Front
Street
curve.
We
reduce
the
walking
distance
and
we
angle
the
addition
in
between
the
two
buildings.
It's
still
the
same
Pavilion.
It
is
much
closer
distance
to
the
front
doorstep.
In
addition
to
that,
we
took
and
relocated
the
shade
structures
and
instead
introduced
the
composition
of
shade
trees
and
palm
trees.
So
we
can
layer
the
foreground
before
we
come
to
the
building.
L
L
But
in
this
point
what
you're
seeing
is
the
intersection
between
the
end
of
the
gallery
and
the
connection
to
the
West
dap.
If
you
have
gone
to
the
campus
behind
the
blue,
Tower
is
where
you
have
the
automated
Stanley
Doors
opening
to
the
West
facade,
so
I
hope
you're,
not
getting
a
headache,
but
right
here
is
the
sort
of
facade
improvements
connection
to
the
existing
building.
L
So
there's
your
moment
fly
through
now
to
the
South.
What
we're
seeing
a
little
bit
there
is
the
multi-purpose
room
where
before
it
was
the
conference
center,
but
we
have
reduced
it
because
we
have
the
zoom
capability
capabilities
and
we
also
we
do
some
added
some
work,
breakout
rooms
and
the
telescopic
doors
to
have
an
indoor
outdoor
relationship
to
the
Terrace
and
the
front
Courtyard
that
has
been
created.
L
L
Here
on,
the
Sunrise
side
is
where
we
have
introduced
the
site
walls
and
the
vehicle
gates
for
safety
to
the
service
drive,
and
then
we
have
layered
it
with
these
walls
and
planters.
So
here
is
where
we
have
the
cafe.
However,
the
low
walls
and
the
landscape
will
screen
from
the
other
utility
features
in
this
driveway.
L
So
in
in
big
concept,
these
services
and
programs
are
still
serving
the
client.
This
is
a
community
facility,
it
promotes
wellness
and
well-being.
We
have
relocated
the
dog
park
because
it
is
a
gated
dog
park
where
small
dogs
don't
need
to
be
in
a
leash,
and
then
we
still
have
the
big
retention,
Park
Community
Park
West
of
the
housing
project.
So
this
campus
has
two
housing
facilities:
a
community
park,
a
dog
park,
working
walking
routes
around
the
campus
and
vicinity
to
all
the
retail
facilities
to
the
north
and
to
the
east.
L
L
M
I
figured
that
out.
Thank
you,
I
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
reviewing
our
project
and
considering
it,
it's
so
important
for
our
community
and
to
expand
our
services
to
be
able
to
provide
more
services
housing
as
we're
growing
and
more
Housing
close
by
we're
very
excited
to
offer
that
and
build
more
clinics.
And
it's
just
very
important
to
us.
A
C
It's
it's!
It's
not
like
it's
right
there.
The
the
barrier
is
not
going
to
stop
people
from
Crossing
sunrise
and
think
about
what
the
state
did.
They
just
prohibited
jurisdictions
from
outlying
jaywalking.
So
now
Statewide
everybody
can
jaywalk
and
it's
not
illegal.
So
guess
what
everybody's
gonna,
jaywalk
and
they're
going
to
jaywalk
to
just
to
the
south
of
that
of
that
a
median.
C
Business
is
very
attractive,
I
don't
have
anything
against
it,
but
it's
not
going
to
keep
anybody
from
hopping
across
Sunrise
that
wants
to
get
to
the
shopping
center
and
I.
Think
it's
very
it's
irresponsible
for
the
city
to
think
that
it's
going
to
work
in
that
way
and
it's
irresponsible
not
to
provide
some
sort
of
safe
Crossing
at
that
point
and
I
would
make
that
I.
F
Morixi
well,
I
have
to
completely
agree
with
the
commissioner
hershbein.
It's
we
I
need
an
answer
as
to
why
it
doesn't
extend
further
south
or
the
reason
given
that.
Well
perhaps
if
it
goes,
north
a
car
might
rub
into
the
side
of
the
the
arch
barrier.
But
then
again,
Mr
Men
Harris
didn't
actually
raise
that
and
said
that
we
could
include
that
as
the
requirement
so
I'm
a
little
confused
about
that.
And
then
just
back
to
the
traffic
study.
D
Where
the
you
know
it's
directly
across
from
the
face
to
Apartments,
it
seems
like
you
could
get
a
simple
railing
in
there.
It
wouldn't
be
as
decorative
as
the
Arches,
which
I
I
understand,
is
a
concern,
but
for
safety
purposes
you
could
still
put
in
a
simple
thin
metal
barrier
to
further
extend
the
prohibition
of
Crossing,
Sunrise
I.
Don't
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
anything
to
ultimately
prohibit
everyone
from
doing
that,
because
they
can
simply
walk
50
feet
to
the
South
to
cross.
K
So
Vice
chairp
I
could
mention
that
the
final
development
plan
review
is
this
is
does
not
go
to
council.
This
is
the
final
plan
review.
So
if
the
Planning
Commission
feels
that
the
media
needs
additional
analysis
and
they're
fine
with
the
Pavilion
expansion,
that
may
be
a
route
that
you
go,
I'll
leave
it
up
to
our
City
attorney
to
advise
us.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Go
ahead.
Yes,
Mr
Vice
chair
the
question
of
whether
a
median
should
be
installed
as
opposed
to
a
traffic,
Crossing
or
traffic
signal.
I
believe
has
already
been
addressed
by
the
city
council
in
the
condition,
as
identified
in
the
staff
report,
and
the
council
did
give
that
alternative
to
put
in
median
barriers,
as
approved
by
the
engineering
division.
G
I.
Think
within
that
commissioner
Miller's
suggestion
of
potentially
putting
some
additional
amenities
into
that
median.
Perhaps
that's
a
question
to
race
with
engineering,
whether
that's
feasible,
I
think
there
may
be
some
opportunity
to
tweak
the
median
in
some
respects
to
the
extent
engineering
thinks
that's
feasible,
but
the
actual
issue
of
the
median
versus
traffic,
Crossing
I,
think
has
been
settled
by
the
council
and
as
Mr
Milaca
mentioned,
you're
making
a
substantial
conformance
finding,
and
you
are
the
final
decision
maker
on
that
unless
it's
appealed
to
the
city
council.
G
G
A
Okay,
are
you
sure,
are
you
certain?
Yes,
I
am
okay,
I
have
to
say
I.
Very
much.
Concur
with
my
colleagues.
I
hear
I
hear
cries
for
help
in
this
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
I
sense.
A
lot
of
discomfort
on
the
part
of
the
Planning
Commission,
because
part
of
our
job
is
to
look
at
the
issues
of
Public
Safety,
and
we
know
that
that's
a
big
part
of
staff's
job,
but
it's
it's
part
of
what
we
do
as
well
and
the
other
pleas
I
hear
the
cries.
A
A
I
think
I
go
to
this
intersection
once
or
twice
every
single
day
and
in
the
few
minutes
that
I'm
in
this
intersection
I
see
people
crossing
north
to
south
on
Vista
Chino
to
get
to
Sunrise
Vista,
one
from
the
Albertsons
parking
lot
or
World
Gym
or
wherever
it
is,
people
are
going
and
they
generally
cross
in
the
same
place
and
they
cross
directly
from
the
entrance
of
the
shopping
center
directly
across
over
to
the
housing.
And
they
do
that
because
they
don't
have
to
walk
through
any
planting
beds
that
exist
for
the
shopping
center.
A
A
So
I
don't
want
to
slow
this
project
down.
I
I
also
concur
that
this
is
beautiful.
What
what
you
all
have
designed
here
is
not
only
great
in
its
purpose,
but
it's
a
it's
a
truly
beautiful
project,
something
we
can
be
very,
very
proud
of
I
I
Look
to
staff
to
help
us
with
this
I.
Don't
have
that
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
determine
if
a
crosswalk
is
a
good
idea,
an
additional
crosswalk
mid-block
or
whether
we
just
need
to
find
a
way
to
extend
these
barriers
and
I
do
think.
A
A
B
Sure,
if
I
might
jump
in
here,
Vice
chair
I,
think
there's
a
couple
different
things
here.
If
I
could
address
Vista
Chino,
because
you
know
there
is
a
simple
answer
to
that-
that's
not
a
great
answer,
but
it
is
an
answer
which
is
that
that
is
a
state
highway
under
the
authority
of
Caltrans
and
we
don't
have
the
authority.
Nor
does
this
applicant
to
look
at
putting
barriers
in
there.
B
That
would
be
a
conversation
that
the
city
and
the
city's
engineering
department
would
need
to
initiate
with
the
state
and
come
up
with
Solutions
on
that.
So
with
the
direction
of
the
Planning
Commission.
We
can
certainly
initiate
those
conversations,
but
it
is
not
something
that
can
be
solved
through
this
process
so
that
that
is
sort
of
vista
chino.
B
On
the
the
sunrise
issues,
you
know,
I
think
the
city
council
did
modify
the
the
condition
that
the
commission
had
approved
when
they
looked
at
this
and
they
did
defer
the
issue
of
the
median
to
staff
to
the
engineering
department
and
Engineering
has
looked
at
this
and
said
that
this
is
sort
of
what
the
city's
preference
is.
So
my
concern
here
is:
we
can't
really
go
back
and
and
and
sort
of
go
back
on
City
council's
decision
here,
I
think
what
we
can
do.
B
So
what
I
would
like
to
request
is
that
you
know,
rather
than
the
commission
directing
that
that
happened,
that
you
again
instruct
the
city
staff
to
have
that
conversation
with
the
applicant
and
can
and
see
what
can
be
done
safely
and
in
compliance
with
sort
of
engineering
requirements
around.
You
know
cars
and
viewpoints
and
and
things
of
that
sort,
because
I
wouldn't
want
to
put
this
applicant
in
a
position
where
we're
directing
them
to
do
something
that
can't
be
done
safely
so
I.
It's
not
a
great
answer.
B
B
A
A
If
I
think
it's
worthwhile.
If
we
save
one
life
doing
this
it,
it
will
be
worth
whatever
time
expense
we're
going
to
spend
now.
I
would
also
like
to
direct
staff
to
consider
as
a
separate
point,
the
Vista
Chino
side,
and
maybe
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
really
great
Solution
on
the
sunrise
side,
because
we
clearly
have
some
great
designers
working
on
that.
Maybe
that's
a
solution.
We
can
then
suggest
and
work
with
the
state
on
for
the
Vista
Chino
side.
I.
Just
think
that.
A
We're
creating
more
than
a
neighborhood
here,
we're
creating
a
whole
village
within
this
area
and
we
need
to
address
the
pedestrian
impacts
as
well.
Obviously,
that
those
impacts
are
for
cars
as
well,
but
we
we
need
to
somehow
keep
pedestrians
from
Crossing.
What
are
essentially
two
small
freeways:
Vista
Chino
and
sunrise.
They
move
fast
and
they're
very,
very
wide
and
they're
difficult
to
cross
without
a
light,
and
what
I
would
love
to
see
right
now
is,
with
the
help
of
staff
to
craft
a
motion
of
approval
that
includes
this
kind
of
direction.
G
G
Additions
to
the
median
along
sunrise
to
see,
if
that
can
make
me
to
see
a
Crossing,
can
be
made
more
difficult.
That
would
be
the
motion
and
then
there
would
be
further
Direction.
This
would
be
outside
of
the
application,
but
there
would
just
be
further
direction
that
the
engineering
staff
consult
with
the
state
and
look
at
the
possibility
of
barriers
along
Vista
Chino.
A
D
Yeah
I,
like
that
from
attorney
priests,
but
I
would
also
add
that
I
think
we
could
go
a
little
further
and
add
some
signage
on
the
on
the
phase:
two
property
on
The
Pedestrian
and
exits
onto
Sunrise.
So
to
speak,
where
we
could
put
some
signage
facing
phase
two
that
says
pedestrian
Crossing
at
Vista,
Chino
or
something
to
that
effect.
D
And
at
least
then
the
residents
have
been
put
on
notice
that
they
should
take
the
time
and
effort
to
Traverse
down
to
Vista
Chino
for
a
safe,
Crossing
I've
seen
such
signage,
in
other
examples
where
it's
at
least
putting
The
Pedestrian
on
notice
that
the
safe
Crossing
is
at
the
at
the
traffic
signal.
It's
not
going
to
stop
everybody,
but
at
least
it
puts
them
on
further
notice
and
hopefully
stops
him
from
jumping
the
barriers.
A
H
E
E
The
threshold
for
any
Crossing
would
be
significantly
higher
than
anything
the
city
could.
Actually,
that
would
impose
on
this
particular
development
and
it
would
actually
take
years
to
get
them
to
comply
to
exactly
work
with
us.
So
it
is
a
matter
of
dealing
with
them
and
I
think
we
would
find
that
the
threshold
would
probably
never
be
met
because
they
would
look
for
data
right,
how
many
people
are
killed
at
the
location
or
how
many
people
got
hurt
to
create
a
physical
barrier,
who's
going
to
maintain
the
barrier?
E
What
if
somebody
hits
the
barrier?
What,
if
you
know
who's
going
to
maintain
that
barrier
when
somebody
dies,
if
they
hit
the
bear
so
yeah
I,
think
Caltrans
would
you
know
buy
you
know
it's
an
extensive
amount
of
questioning
and
and
requirements
would
probably
not
allow
us
to
put
a
barrier
on
Vista
Gmail.
A
Okay,
well,
it
sounds
like
from
from
what
you're
saying
Joel
we're
not
going
to
get
very
far
with
the
state,
so
maybe,
as
a
city,
we
can
do
better
and
we
can
at
least
do
it
at
the
Sunrise
Crossing
I
would
say
that
the
proximity
of
the
grocery
store
on
the
sunrise
side
is
closer
than
than
the
Alberton.
So
my
concern
is
that
people
will
cross
more
often
and
choose
Albertson.
A
A
If
we
can
also
add
a
signage
component,
I
think
or
suggest
that
in
the
consideration,
I
would
also
like
to
offer
if
it
would
help
staff
to
have
a
subcommittee
from
the
Planning
Commission,
who
we
would
be
more
than
willing
to
create
that
if
it
just
come
back
and
let
us
know
to
work
with
you
on
that
with
that
I
think
we
have
a
motion
I'm
going
to
second
that
motion
Steph.
Will
you
take
a
roll
call
vote
on
this
week?.
H
G
Both
you
want
to
respond,
and
my
suggestion
to
Survivor
is
I'm.
Sorry
can
can
somebody
mute
their
microphone?
Thank
you.
The
ocean
was
to
approve
was
to
find
that
the
final
PDD
plans
were
in
substantial
conformance
with
the
preliminary
PDD,
which
is
the
core
finding
you
make
to
approve
the
final
PDD.
G
The
recommendations
to
the
engineering
department
look
into
widening
or
tweaking
of
the
medians
along
Sunrise
to
improve
that
as
a
barrier
to
Crossing
and
permiss.
Commissioner
Miller's
suggestion
that
the
engine
Department
also
explore
signage
hosting
signage,
on
the
site,
to
direct
pedestrian
traffic
to
the
appropriate
crosswalks.
G
Again
that
will
be
subject
to
engineering
divisions,
deviation
of
that
being
feasible,
but
they
would
consider
that
and
then
just
as
a
supplementary,
but
not
a
part
of
this
application
is
that
staff
just
explore
the
idea
of
potential
barriers
or
protective
measures
along
this
to
Chino.
But
again
that
would
not
be
part
of
this
application.
That
is
just
an
additional
recommendation
that
you
are
asking
staff
to
explore.
C
All
right
I'd
like
to
make
a
proposal
to
amend
that,
because
I
think
the
signage
could
easily
be
accomplished
by
asking
the
applicant
to
install
it
on
their
own
property,
we're
talking
about
little
pedestrian
signs
and
I've.
Seen
that
at
various
developments
around
the
valley,
where
the
shopping
center
itself
puts
a
sign
on
their
property,
asking
people
to
use
the
crosswalk
down
the
way
so
I
I
would
propose
making
that
a
condition
of
the
approval
to
the
applicant.
It's
it
short
circuits.
The
bureaucracy
of
the
city
has
to
go
through.
C
A
G
Mr
Vice
chair,
I
I'd
be
curious
to
get
engineering's
take
on
this
just
to
make
sure
the
content
the
size,
the
location
of
the
signs
are
appropriate.
I
I
believe
it
would
be
appropriate
as
part
of
the
motion
that
the
engineering
department
get
the
final
say
on
what
those
signs
are
going
to
say
since
they
are,
you
know
for
direction
and
safety,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
engineering
department
if
they
have
some
thoughts.
Thank
you.
A
E
Yeah,
so
the
yeah
we
would
work
with
the
applicant
on
the
signs.
The
science
can.
There
are
standard,
nutcv
signs
that
we
could
install.
That
show
you
know,
or
you
know
it
allow
people,
or
at
least
have
people
look
where
the
next
Crossing
would
be.
So
we
we're
pretty
flexible.
In
that
respect,
we
can.
We
can
work
with
the
applicant
to
to
install
the
science
where
appropriate.
E
B
D
A
H
Yes,
a
request,
I,
don't
quite
know
who
to
give
it
to
somebody
and
stuff.
I
was
at
the
pro
the
pride
parade
this
weekend
and
was
in
front
of
the
I
believe
it's
now
called
the
Thompson
Hotel,
the
former
and
as
where
there
is
a
temporary
sidewalk.
That's
been
there
for
some
time,
which
is
pretty
much
just
some
really
roughed
out.
Paving
and
I
had
the
unfortunate
experience
of
watching
a
woman
in
a
wheelchair
try
to
get
through
that
she
couldn't
do
it.
B
H
I
I
do
have
one
other
suggestion
just
on
this
last
issue.
I'm
just
throwing
this
out
here
and
maybe
staff
could
it
might
be
worth
some
conversation.
The
shopping
centers
both
to
the
north
and
to
the
east
of
the
campus,
have
management
bodies
or
groups,
and
it
might
cut
down
on
pedestrian
traffic
if
they
offered,
or
they
had
some
way
they
facilitated
or
worked
with
the
developer,
so
that
there
was
delivery
services
more
readily
back
and
forth.
H
I
know
that
you
can
get
groceries
delivered,
but
if
it
were
a
more
formal
or
organized
thing,
people
might
take
advantage
of
it
and
get
you
used
to
knowing
that
you
know
once
a
week
or
twice
a
week,
the
the
center
is
from
all
at
Shops
going
to
deliver
things
over.
But
if
somebody
could
initiate
a
conversation
like
that
at
night,.
H
A
H
B
Sure
so
I
don't
think
we
touched
on
this
at
our
last
meeting,
because
I
believe
it
was
discussed
the
following
night
at
city
council,
but
the
city
council
did
have
a
discussion
about
restarting
in-person
meetings
for
boards
and
commissions
that
choose
to
do
so.
So
we
have
a
few
technical
issues
to
work
through
to
make
that
possible.
B
I
think
something
that
we've
learned
through
the
pandemic
is
that
having
an
online
or
remote
option
for
our
participants
is
encouraging
more
ideally
encouraging
more
participation
by
our
members
of
the
public,
those
who
cannot
travel
or
those
who
may
wish
to
to
participate
from
home
with
small
children
Etc.
So
that
is
a
goal
of
ours,
is
maintaining
a
remote
option
for
our
participants,
and
so
we
just
have
to
work
through
some
technical
issues
surrounding
that
I
know
for
the
Planning
Commission.
We
have
typically
met
in
the
city.
B
Council
chambers,
I
believe
that
that
would
be
the
same.
Should
you
choose
to
meet
in
person
again,
and
the
technology
is
a
little
bit
more
set
up
in
there
for
us
to
do
sort
of
a
hybrid
option
that
I'm
describing?
So
we
just
have
a
few
things
to
work
through
with
our
I.T
Division
and
certainly
coordinating
schedules
amongst
all
of
the
various
boards
and
commissions
to
make
sure
that
we
can
accommodate
everyone
who
wants
to
meet
in
person
again
in
a
hybrid
setting.
B
One
of
the
other
items
that
I'm
getting
some
clarification
on
from
the
city
attorney's
office
on
and
again
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
consistent
across
the
city
in
terms
of
policy
is
well.
We
may
provide
a
hybrid
option
for
members
of
the
public,
I'm,
not
sure
what
accommodation
would
be
made
for
the
commission,
members
or
board
or
committee
members
themselves.
B
If
we
decide
to
meet
in
person
again
or
whether
we
would
be
able,
at
least
for
some
period
of
time,
to
accomplish
State
members
remotely
who
may
be
out
of
town
or
whatnot
or
may
you
know
be
under
the
weather
and
just
airing
on
the
side
of
caution
want
to
be
at
home.
So
just
kind
of
a
few
administrative
things.
I
think
we
need
to
work
through.
B
That
I
would
like
to
again
send
you
all
some
information
on,
so
that
we
can
discuss
it
and
ideally
make
a
decision
on
that
at
our
next
meeting,
but
wanted
to
certainly
put
that
on
your
radar
as
an
option
and
something
that
we
can
accommodate.
Should
you
wish
to
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
now.
A
So
you'll
be
thinking
about
this
and
bringing
us
back
some
thoughts
and
some
conclusions
at
our
December
14th
meeting,
because
I
would
very
much
of
course,
want
to
have
our
chair
present
for
that
as
well
discussion.
We
need
to
have
as
a
commission
as
well
and
get
a
take
everybody's
temperature
on
their
comfort
of
coming
back
into
the
chambers
together.