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A
A
A
F
Right
I
will
be
briefed
today.
So
just
a
recap
of
some
of
the
previous
and
upcoming
council
meetings.
October
23rd
I
did
a
brief
presentation
on
SB
1380
3
to
give
the
council
a
heads
up
that
more
was
coming
on
that
front.
There
was
a
second
reading
of
the
no
dogs
on
trails
ordinance
and
it
passed.
There
was
a
request
to
for
the
city
to
identify
or
to
create
a
trail
in
the
city
for
dogs,
and
so
we
are
looking
into
that.
F
The
November
6
meeting
the
solar
zoning
code
was
adopted
and
the
only
request
that
emerged
from
that
was
that
the
city
work
on
some
guidelines
for
review
and
approval
of
things
that
come
to
the
city
for
a
special
review
is
part
of
that
process.
So
so
we're
gonna
work
with
planning
on
guidelines
for
that
December
4th
upcoming
meeting,
there's
nothing
that
I
know
of,
except
for
potentially
some
comments
about
the
tribal
arena.
There's
a
staff
report.
F
That's
currently
under
development
on
that
which
leads
me
to
my
point
number
two:
the
arena
report
was
issued
and
it
was
posted
on
the
city's
website.
We
still
to
my
knowledge,
have
not
received
the
appendices
to
that
report,
which
included
including
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory
and
another
environmental
report
and
again
water,
the
water
report,
so
we
had
requested
those
I
believe,
and
so
I
did.
F
I
was
checking
again
today
to
see
if
that
we
received
them
and
I
do
not
believe
that
we
have
I
was
informed
today
that
the
staff
report
is
under
development
and
will
go
in
likely
tomorrow
or
Thursday
and
planning
is
leading
that
effort.
So
the
comments,
if
we
have
them,
if
I
get
them
in
I,
can
get
them
into
the
staff
report
in
the
next
day
or
two.
F
Otherwise,
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
public
comment,
I
believe
on
December
5th,
there's
a
public
meeting,
that's
being
hosted,
and
so
folks
who
are
should
feel
free
to
attend
that
meeting
and
provide
comments.
A
few
points
to
note
is
that
one
is
that
the
report
essentially
says
that
there
is
no
environmental
impact,
despite
this
large
building
being
developed
as
well
as
all
of
the
car
traffic.
That
is
going
to
result
from
that.
F
It
does
have
some
summary
information,
I
believe
in
the
report,
to
give
you
some
sense
of
how
many
trips
and
all
that
may
occur.
So
if
you
have
any
concerns
about
that,
I
highly
recommend
that
to
make
some
comments
at
the
public
meeting
about
that
and
we'll
try
to
get
what
we
can
into
the
staff
report
as
well.
So
that's
what
I
would
say
on.
C
F
Basically,
the
city
is
moving
forward
with
the
100%
green
power
option
and
so
that
it
will
be
the
default
for
everybody,
and
then
they
can
opt
down
or
opt
out
as
they
see
fit.
So
that's
the
message
that
we're
gonna
be
getting
out
to
folks
and
more
on
that
later
on
in
the
agenda.
So
I
think
that
was
it
for
my
comments
this
time.
Any.
A
Any
questions
or
comments
for
Patrick.
Thank
you
now
we'll
move
on
to
public
comments.
This
is
the
time
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability,
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission,
the
Commission
values,
your
comments,
but
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
are
assigned
for
each
speaker.
Is
there
anyone
here
for
public
comments?
I
guess
not
so
we'll
move
on
then
to
the
meeting
minutes.
A
A
Baker
is
there
a
second
Commissioner
Miller?
Thank
you.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
minutes,
no
discussion.
So
all
in
favor
of
accepting
the
meeting
minutes,
please
say
aye
aye
opposed,
say
no.
G
Evening
briefly,
we
had
our
shred
and
e-waste
event
on
October
18th
and
conjunction
with
Palm
Springs
disposals
fall
cleanup
desert
art
collected
the
e-waste
horst's.
They
got
a
completely
full
truck.
We
had
262
vehicles
come
through,
which
is
pretty
pretty
good,
so
it
must
have
been
well
advertised.
G
Desert
ark
has
also
picked
up
two
loads
of
e-waste
that
have
been
collecting
over
the
summer
and
the
Public
Works
yard,
and
now
they
have
enough
people
in
the
Palm
Springs
area
to
set
up
a
regular
schedule,
so
we'll
do
that
on
a
monthly
basis.
They'll
come
by
on
a
set
day
and
pick
it
up.
Every
month
we
have
been
visiting
the
non-compliant
businesses
downtown
and
to
date
we
visited
excuse
me
54,
we
haven't
had
the
success
that
we
were
hoping
for,
but
we'll
keep
plugging
along
visiting
the
businesses.
G
Isn't
the
only
real
purpose
of
doing
that?
The
secondary
purpose
is,
is
satisfies
the
state's
requirement
to
show
that
the
city
has
put
forth
a
good
faith
effort
in
case
these
people
remain
non-compliant.
They
won't
necessarily
their
probably
come
back
and
have
some
comments,
but
it'll
be
hard-pressed
for
them
to
do
anything.
More
than
just
to
have
some
some
uncomplimentary
comments,
because
we
have
shown
a
good
faith
effort
of
the
other
aspect
that
we've
added
to
this
is
Public.
G
Works
has
to
identified
five
vendors
that
have
been
putting
their
materials
left
over
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
the
street
trash
can,
rather
than
the
appropriate
cans
in
the
in
the
in
the
rear
of
their
buildings,
and
it
has
resulted
in
one
Public,
Works,
employee,
getting
injured
and
off
for
a
week.
So
as
I'm
out
there
I've
been
addressing
that
and
I
will
continue
to
monitor
that
there
were
no
numbers
received
from
SI
recycling
or
desert
recycling
this
month.
G
H
I
Sir,
is
there
any
possibility
of
citing
folks
for
non-compliance
to
sort
of
encourage
them?
Well,
that's
one
question,
and
then
second
is
that
is
there
outreach
I
think
I
know
the
answer
the
bit
is.
There
has
been
there
been
recent
outreach
to
Main
Street
Choya
primer
deaths
group
to
sort
of,
let
folks
know
what's
going
on.
So
those
are
my
two
questions.
Well,.
G
G
F
And
I
have
reached
out
to
joi
at
Main
Street
to
do
a
some
sort
of
a
waste
management
and
recycling
brown
bag
with
the
Main
Street
folks.
They
we
had
talked
about
it
late
in
the
summer
and
I
followed
up
with
her
to
see
if
we
could
schedule
time
for
that,
I
have
not
heard
back
and
so
Chris
and
I
are
on
top
of
that.
But
I
haven't
heard
anything
back.
A
F
Unfortunately,
asthma.
As
mentioned
in
here,
we
have
not
done
any
sort
of
an
update
to
any
of
those
or
a
reassessment
of
those
recently,
so
we
don't
really
have
a
good
sense
of
where
we
are
with
those.
We
can
do
a
little
bit
more
of
an
analysis
of
the
climate
action
plan
to
see
if
there
are
stuff
things
in
there
that
we
can
definitely
report
out
that
have
been
done,
but
other
than
that
we
don't
have
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory
to
tell
us
where
we're
at
overall
and
then
past
and
ongoing
activities.
F
I
thought
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
reiterate
some
of
the
stuff
that
we've
already
done
since
that
2010
time
frame
where
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
was
performed.
Some
of
that
is
mentioned
in
the
sustainability
plan
and
I
think
that
they
can
be
called
together
from
other
reports
as
well,
so
mostly
because
so
much
had
been
done
right
away
in
the
early
2010
timeframe,
the
2010
to
2015.
F
So
it's
important
that
we
note
that
and
take
credit
for
that
and
then
talk
about
maybe
some
of
the
things
that
are
ongoing,
like
the
leaf
blower,
ordinance
implementation
and
things
like
that.
That
are
also
helpful
and
then
talk
about
roadmap
for
future
actions,
and
so
I
organized
this
into
two
sections.
One
is
near-term
actions
and
the
other
is
longer-term
actions.
So
there
are
some
things
that
we've
already
been
talking
about
and
already
been
researching.
F
So
I
put
those
in
it's
kind
of
the
near-term
section
and
then
some
of
the
other
stuff
that
that
might
require
ordinance
changes
and
some
longer
term
actions.
Then
I
put
those
into
the
longer-term
action
section
and
try
to
mention
a
couple
of
things
that
we're
still
investigating
and
still
researching
and
so
anyway.
So
that's
certainly
a
preliminary
list
of
things
both
on
the
near
term
and
the
long
term,
so
certainly
interested
if
you've
got
any
additional
ideas
of
things
that
we
should
either
be
considering
or
things
that
we
are
already
doing.
C
Actually,
I'm
going
right
to
to
David's
bailiwick
on
this
question,
so
the
the
one
stat
that
just
jumped
out
of
me
from
that
2010
review
was
the
tiny,
tiny
fraction
of
our
electrical
consumption
that
was
being
accounted
for
by
solar
back
then
and
and
how
much
of
our
electrical
consumption
is
accounting
for
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
It's
a
huge
percentage
so
that
my
point
is
simply
since
2010.
C
I
Have
really
good
news
about
that,
because
about
a
week
ago
some
consultant
group
published
a
list
of
the
hundred
most
solar
cities
in
the
East
country
and
Palm
Springs
was
roughly
somewhere
between
25
and
30
and
I'm
Patrick
I
will
get
you
that
statistic
because
it
it
says
that
we've
obviously
had
a
lot
of
uptick
and
also
Patrick.
You
can
get
from
building.
I
We
are
going
to
be
looking
at
a
proposal
that
I
mentioned
last
month
that
would
require
all
commercial
buildings
or
certain
categories
of
commercial
buildings
TBD
and,
as
we
work
through
it
to
use
100%
renewable
sources.
The
easiest
way
for
them
to
do
it
is
is
essentially
stay
on
the
DCE
100%
carbon
free.
So
that
would
substantially
drop
that
and
the
statistic
that
I
had
mentioned
last
time
or
a
few
times
ago
that
we
got
from
from
seabag
is
that
that
reduces
our
GHG
emissions
by
28%
roughly.
So
those
are
some
really
good
things.
I
You
know
that
we
can
be
be
be
looking
at
the
one
comment
that
I
really
did
want
to
make
Patrick
that
you
can
reflect
in
the
memo,
and
this
was
discussed
in
the
Energy
Commission
discussions
on
workshop
on
2022
Building
Code,
which
they're
already
working
on
is
that
the
real
goal
and
the
hard
part
is
80%
reduction
below
1990
by
2045.
So
the
easiest
part
is
probably
2020,
which
we
may
already
have
satisfied
and
carbon
neutrality
which
we're
getting
closer
to,
but
the
80%
and
the
efforts
to
wring
out.
I
F
H
Dwa
is
working
with
a
state
to
get
a
per
capita
kind
of
metric
that
can
be
used
in
their
water
consumption,
and
perhaps
some
of
their
mathematics
could
be
transposed
to
a
per
capita
sort
of
greenhouse
emission
use.
That
would
make
sense
to
not
only
us
but
the
public
as
well.
I
should
say
they
haven't
gotten
it
back
from
the
state
yet
and
it's
it
has
been
a
while.
So
hold
your
breath.
Okay,.
C
When
just
a
quick
follow-up
to
the
water,
another
source
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
jumped
out
at
me
from
this
report
was
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
since
2010
I'm,
assuming
that
that
it
is
after
that
that
they
got
their
own
solar
farm
right,
so
that
that
should
be
helping
quite
a
bit
here.
It's
not
it's
not
quite
the
same.
F
H
Ashley
Metzger
and
I,
and
one
of
the
engineers
from
DW
a
took
a
tour
of
the
sewage
treatment
plant.
Last
Friday
we've
got
a
lot
of
really
really
good
information.
It's
gonna
take
me
a
while
to
kind
of
put
it
all
in
in
all
of
its
categories,
but
I.
There
are
many
things
that
we
can
do
to
bring
wastewater
treatment
as
a
concept
even
to
the
public.
It's
always
been.
You
know
something
that
they
took
care
of,
but
now
we
need
to
bring
it
forward
and
get
people
to
understand
it
and
participate
in
it
more.
F
Alright,
so
if
you've
got
any
other
edits
or
thoughts
in
terms
of
what
should
be
included
in
that
memo,
let
me
know
I'll
revise
it
and
add
a
little
more
flush,
it
out
a
little
bit
more
in
the
coming
weeks,
and
so
hopefully
we'll
have
that
ready
to
go
as
a
communication
to
Council,
either
at
the
December,
probably
at
the
January
meeting,
most
likely.
Thank
you.
J
F
It's
on
it's
not
quite
related
today
yeah,
so
this
was
just
specifically
with
regard
to
her
request
for
knowing
more
about
where
we
were
with
regard
to
the
climate
action,
okay
and
so-
and
this
was
one
way
that
we
suggested
that
we
could
at
least
inform
the
council
about
what's
happening
on
that
front.
I
think
there
was
a
broader
question
about
how
the
council
Commission
should
interact
with
the
council
moving
forward
and
I.
Think
that's
a
topic
right.
J
J
In
the
agenda
and
then
my
second
question
was
regarding
the
scope
of
the
action
plan,
so
I
couldn't
find
the
2010
action
plan.
I
could
only
find
the
2005
action
plan,
but
historically
those
plans
have
the
scope
has
been
emissions
that
the
city
itself
produced.
So
things
like
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
employee
commutes
things
like
that
book,
we're
talking
about
things
outside
of
that
scope
and
so
I
just
wanted
that.
That's
when
we
clear
that
that
is
that
is
our
intent
here.
Yeah.
F
Yeah,
so
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory
inventories
everything
within
the
city
limit,
so
it's
residential
as
well
as
city
operations
and
etc.
So
a
business
operation.
So
the
new
inventory
that
we
do
will
also
address
that
hole.
Basically,
everything
that
goes
on
within
the
city
boundary
as
well
as
it
has
calculations
for
all
the
waste
that
we
send
off-site.
F
F
F
E
F
H
A
little
clarification:
does
you
read
that
in
a
while
they
they
have
the
whole
city,
including
you
know
everybody
and
everything,
and
then
they
have
the
municipal
part
of
it,
and
so
the
municipal
part
is
that
included
in
the
whole.
But
then
they
have
the
municipal
part
separately,
so
they
break
it
down.
And
it's
quite
a
lot
of
breakdown.
It's
nice
very
nice.
F
Alright,
the
next
topic
that
we
wanted
to
cover
for
old
business
is
about
the
potential
changes
to
the
plastic
ordinance,
so
I
think,
as
you
guys
have
all
maybe
learn
from
our
last
conversation
about
this.
This
is
an
evolving
conversation
and
we're
learning
new
stuff,
all
the
time
and
I
think
also,
as
I
had
mentioned,
we
were
bringing
on
board
a
consultant
called
upstream.
F
They
have
been
helping
lots
of
cities,
move
towards
plastics
reduction
ordinances
and
also
move
more
towards
reuse,
and
so
we
are
I
had
a
call
with
them
at
the
end
of
October
and
how
to
follow
up
call
with
them
just
last
week
and
so
they've
been
helping,
provide
some
text.
Draft
text
for
the
ordinance
have
really
pushed
me
in
terms
of
questions
about.
Why
are
we
doing
certain
things
and
how
are
we
doing
certain
things?
F
So
it's
been
really
really
helpful
so
related
to
this
I
gave
a
presentation
a
few
weeks
ago,
a
couple
weeks
ago
at
the
sivak
Technical
Working
Group
meeting
on
this
topic.
Just
let
other
desert
cities
know
what
we
were
doing.
The
quick
takeaway
from
that
is
that
nobody
else
is
doing
anything,
and
nor
do
they
necessarily
intend
to.
Although
they
are
interested
in
what's
happening
here,
and
so
there
may
be
some
interest
in
perhaps
something
on
the
polystyrene
front,
but
but
nobody
had
any
current
plans
to
do
anything
with
this
topic.
F
F
I
want
to
present
to
you
guys
today
just
get
your
feedback
and
reactions
to
some
of
the
stuff
that
I'm
some
new
thoughts
so
and
Lisa
Middleton
was
there,
and
so
she
kind
of
got
a
little
bit
of
information
on
it
and
I
think
it
was
also
interesting.
The
reaction
from-
and
this
is
a
group
of
elected
officials
by
the
way
that
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
this
is
going
to
impact
the
business
community
and
the
economic
impact,
and
things
like
that.
F
H
F
So
one
of
the
things
we
worked
on
a
little
bit
was
the
title,
so
non-reusable,
Plastics,
reduction,
ordinance
I
think,
is
what
we
landed
on.
So
that's
our
name
to
jour.
So
and
again
it
tries
to
reinforce
this
idea
of
reuses
is
really
the
the
best
answer
to
some
of
these
challenges.
So
this
is
what
I
just
mentioned
in
terms
of
the
couple
of
meetings
that
I've
had
so
go
through.
That
again,
I
did
want
to
mention
that
we've
done
about
77
surveys
of
restaurants.
F
Interestingly
50
already
have
reusable
us
for
on-site
food,
food
use
and
so
I
thought
that
was
pretty
good.
A
pretty
good
number,
eight
don't
have
any
seating,
so
we
can
take
away
from
that
77
number
and
then
the
other
number
to
note
was
that
26
of
those
77
still
use
polystyrene
so
about
a
third
of
them
still
still
use
polystyrene.
So
so
here
are
some
suggested
changes
since
our
last
meeting.
F
So
the
first
one-
and
this
is
actually
when
I
go
back
to
the
original
staff
report-
that
I
did
back
in
June.
It's
sort
of
it's
pretty
consistent
with
that.
So
the
first
idea
is
to
adopt
a
phased
approach,
so
phase
one
would
potentially
require
reusable
products
for
on-site
use
unless
they're,
not
as
unless
it's
not
possible.
So
that
would
be
like
places
that
can't
wash
dishes
places
that
don't
have
any
seating
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
maybe
square
footage
limitations.
That
kind
of
thing.
F
So
one
of
the
interesting
conversations
that
I
was
having
with
the
consultant
was
that
there
is
a
barbecue
restaurant
in
town
that
has
serves
their
beverages
in
very
sturdy
plastic
cups
that
you
basically
take
off
site
and
you
can
use
them
and
reuse
them.
But
then
we
got
into
this
discussion
of.
Is
that
a
reusable
food
where
and
so
I
said
well
I'm,
not
sure,
because
it's
you
can
reuse
it,
but
it's
not
being
reused
on
site,
and
so
people
could
just
throw
that
in
the
trash
most
likely
and
so
anyway.
F
F
Then
the
other
discussion
we
had
about
was
about
charging
for
disposal
items,
so
this
is
again
one
that
I
had
included
originally
in
the
text
and
then,
when
it
went
to
the
lawyers
they
took
it
out,
because
I
had
the
way
that
I
had
written
it.
It
was
a
fee
that
basically
came
back
to
the
city
and
they
couldn't
use
it.
It
would
basically
be
a
tax,
and
so
this
would
actually
be
something
that
the
would
go
toward
the
to
the
vendor
to
presumably
use
towards
offsetting
costs
of
other
materials
and
that
kind
of
thing.
F
But
it's
a
disposable
item,
and
not
necessarily
a
plastics
item,
so
just
encourage
further
encouraging
reuse.
So
they
provided
me
with
some
text
on
that.
So
I'll
include
that
in
the
next
round
and
then
the
big
new
one
is
to
stay
silent
on
what
is
acceptable
for
now.
So
this
goes
back
to
our
dilemma
that
we
had
with
regard
to
advocating
for
a
particular
product.
F
We
know
that
there
are
no
good
answers
so
compostable
and
and
the
thing
that
turned
the
conversation
with
regard
to
my
conversation
with
the
consultant
was
she
said:
oh
well,
you
must
have
a
robust
composting
system
and
I
said
no.
In
fact,
we
don't
and
she
said
well.
Why
would
you
make
people
spend
the
extra
money
to
switch
to
these
products
if
you
have
no
way
to
capture
them
and
do
something
with
them
other
than
send
them
to
so
and
I
said.
That
is
an
excellent
question.
F
So
if
they're,
for
example,
all
the
people
that
are
going
to
switch
from
polystyrene,
we
could
make
recommendations
to
them
to
move
towards
more
environmentally
preferred
products,
in
particular
ones,
and
to
plastics,
because
at
least
you
know
if
they
gave
those
to
people
for
take-home,
they
could
wipe
it
out
and
put
it
in
their
recycling
bin.
So
we
know
that,
and
so
anyway,
so
we
could
give
some
guidance
on
that
and
perhaps
work
with
them
to
give
a
little
information
when
they
give
those
takeaway
items
out.
That
just
says:
hey.
F
B
Question
so
up
until
mr.
Miller
informed
me
about
the
recycling
numbers
and
stuff
I,
don't
think
the
average
consumer
understands
the
difference
between
went
into
verses,
3
to
7
right
because
they
see
the
whole
arrows
thing.
Oh,
this
is
recyclable
and
throw
it
into
the
blue
container.
So
I
think
some
education
has
to
happen
as
well
completely.
F
F
F
So
then
we
get
to
Phase
two
and
then
that's
perhaps
where
we
define
was
acceptable,
and
so
this
is
again
more
forward-looking
to
when
we
have
SB
1380
3
in
place,
and
we
do
have
actually
a
composting
program
in
place
on
the
residential
level
and
on
the
business
level
in
a
more
robust
way.
So
we
may
have
more
opportunities
to
capture
that
stuff
in
a
stream
and
actually
do
something
with
it,
and
so
so
anyway,
so
wait
till
then
to
define
what
is
acceptable
and
again
there's.
F
The
other
reason
is
that
there
is
still
a
state
bill
that
is
in
the
works
to
define
these
things.
So
a
lot
of
them
went
away
this
year.
They
didn't
get
signed.
The
the
single-use
plastic
stuff
did
not
get
signed,
but
there
is
one
that's
still
alive
that
is
working
on
better
defining
all
of
these
terms
and
what
is
acceptable
so
they're,
going
through
the
process
of
coming
up
to
a
negotiated
agreement
about
what
items
are
acceptable
and
what
does
it
mean
for
something
to
be
compostable?
F
What
does
it
mean
for
something
to
be
recyclable,
etc?
And
one
of
the
things
that's
interesting
that
I
was
reading
in
there
last
thing
was
about
further
defining
recyclable
as
something
that
there
is
a
reddit
readily
available
market.
For
so
it's
not
like
some
of
the
other
plastics
that
we
know
that
aren't
going
anywhere
or
are
we
have
a
really
hard
time
for,
but
really
making
sure
that
it's
clear
that
something
that
is
recyclable
has
an
end,
has
an
end
market
for
it
and
so
anyway.
F
So
these
are
just
a
list
of
why
I
think
that
this
may
make
sense
to
defer
stuff.
That's
acceptable
and
I
also
think
it
gives
us
a
chance
to
focus
on
the
reuse
concept
and
see
where
that
goes.
You
know,
so
without
a
lot
of
resistance
from
people
saying.
Oh,
my
god,
you're
gonna
have
me,
you
know,
spend
3
times
as
much
on
a
container.
So
yes,
I.
F
E
F
So
so
that's
the
dilemma
that
I've
always
had
with
this
is
that,
if
you're
trying
to
target
litter,
it's
better
to
have
something
that's
going
to
degree
than
it
is
to
have
a
piece
of
plastic,
and
so
that's
why
I
think
that
conversation
still
needs
to
be
had,
and
we
still
need
to
move
in
that
direction,
but
I
think
that
having
a
market
or
having
an
infrastructure
to
manage
those
compostable
x'
will
help.
With
that
discussion
about
why
we're
moving
in
that
direction,
so
yeah
David
and
then
John.
My.
I
Neighbor
had
an
adorable
party,
this
past
Saturday
and
I
was
talking
with
one
of
the
bartenders
and
the
caterer
does
a
lot
of
events
at
my
house,
and
so
it
sounds
from
their
definitions
that
the
catering
community
would
not
be
subject
to
the
ordinance
and
I
probably
could
understand
why?
Because
there
would
not
be
any
facility
for
reuse
and
probably
not
gonna,
ask
the
homeowner
to
do
that.
That
being
said,
can
they
can?
I
Can
we
work
on
sort
of
educational
materials
so
that
they
know
what
products
are
sort
of
preferred
right
so
that
they
can?
You
know
I
I
would
like
to
sort
of
tell
my
caterer
who
does
five
or
six
events
at
my
house.
Okay,
here's
the
list
of
products
that
you
can
buy
and
they're
better
than
you
know
straight
old
plastics
that
are,
you
know,
just
gonna
go
straight
yeah.
F
Yeah,
that's
that's
great
and
I
think
that
that
does
two
things
one
is.
It
gets
the
information
out
there
into
the
community
in
a
little
different
way
right,
and
so
so
anyway.
So
that's
great
and
the
other
thing
I'm
thinking
with
this
in
terms
of
implementation
timeframe,
is
that
I
wanted
to
avoid
a
big,
tiered
approach
to
things.
But
I
do
think.
F
It
makes
sense
that
if
we
that
we
put
forward
the
the
restrictions
on
polystyrene
within
like
a
six
month
period
and
then
do
the
reusables
within
the
year,
it
gives
us
a
good
opportunity
to
really
educate,
develop
some
incentive
programs
figuring
out
how
to
help
people
kind
of
move
in
that
direction
and
and
educate
and
make
people
more
where
it
gives
stuff
out
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
anyway,
so
that's
that's
a
thought.
So
John.
J
J
Originally,
this
started
out
as
a
polystyrene
ban,
but
now
the
phrase
non-reducible
plastics
focuses
on
non-reducible
plastics
and
I.
Wonder
if
we
don't
want
to
is
the
goal
here
to
ban
plastics
that
that
are
going
to
be
reused
or
can't
degrade,
or
is
the
goal
to
reuse
more
generally?
So
if
I
had
ceramics
items
that,
could
you
know
or
metal
items?
So
to
me
the
name
kind
of
focuses
too
much
on
non
reusable
plastic
right,
where
that's
not
really
right.
F
J
F
J
Yeah
that's
a
good
way
and
then
my
third
comment
was
about
reuse
being
defined,
as
only
at
the
at
the
restaurant
right.
There's
no
guarantee
that
they're
going
to
be
reusing
it
just
because
they
have
to
keep
it
and
just
in
the
same
way
that
there's
no
guarantee
that
someone
won't
reuse
it
if
they
take
it
home.
J
F
J
One
of
the
slides
that
were
use
was
defined.
It
has
reuse
at
the
restaurant
yep
and
the
reason
seemed
to
be
because
there
will
be
some
way
that
you
could
ensure
that
they
were
actually
reusing
it
at
the
restaurant
site.
Right
but
I,
don't
I
didn't
see
anything
in
in
what
was
written.
That
could
ensure
that
they
were
actually
reusing
it,
so
they
could
just
chuck
it
in
the
trash
it
could
still.
J
You
know,
but
the
flipside
is
is
that
if
I
take
a
reusable
thing
home
I
might
actually
reuse
it
right,
but
there's
no
enforcement
on
either
side
to
ensure
that
that
happens.
So
I
guess
I,
don't
see
why
it
has
to
be
defined
as
on-site.
Yet
unless
there
is
an
enforcement
piece
that
makes
sure
that
that's
necessary
unless
I'm
missing
a
piece
somewhere
who.
A
G
F
F
We
would
definitely
be
focused
on
the
business
and
so
I
think
the
the
idea
there
is
that
you
have
kind
of
ceramic
or
plastic
plates
that
you
reuse
and
wash
on
site,
and
so
that
is
distinct
from
having
a
glass
that
you
might
buy,
that
you
could
potentially
take
home
with
you
and
reuse
like
I
could
use
any
cup
again
like
if
I
got
went
to
McDonald's
I
could
probably
use
their
paper
cup
once
or
twice.
So
that's
what
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were.
F
J
F
J
Guess
I
don't
see
what
the
point
of
it
could
happen.
You
know
yeah
if
you're
thinking
about
just
sort
of
a
flimsy
plastic
container,
you
know
that
you
get
50
of
them.
That's
technically
reusable.
Is
there
any
way
that
we're
ensuring
that
it's
actually
being
reused?
That
was
my
only
point
and
I'm
putting
it
out
there
as
something
for
you
to
think
about
yeah.
F
H
Kind
of
goes
along
with
what
you're
saying
DWA
has
a
very
similar
problem.
They
have
you
know
these
really
nice
blue
bottles
that
are
meant
to
be
reused
and
people
take
them
and
they
guess
what
half
I'm
going
to
garbage.
Can
the
garbage
can
that's
like
ten
feet
away
from
the
booth
and
so
they're
kind
of
they're
in
a
similar
sort
of
quandary?
As
to
you
know,
what
do
they
do
because
now
they're
giving
people
plastic?
H
H
B
H
The
other,
the
last
thing
I
would
say,
is
that
as
I'm
looking
at
all
the
plastic
that
comes
into
my
house,
which
is
inevitable,
I
mean
in
our
world,
we
really
are
full
of
plastic,
but
I'm.
Looking
at
the
bottoms
in
more
and
more
things
that
didn't
used
to
be
in
recyclable
plastic
before
are
now
in
wines
and
dudes
I
mean
some
of
you
know
like
this
container
potato
salad
and
Ralph's,
it's
a
one.
It's
a
beautiful,
clear
plastic
I.
F
Okay,
so
we're
I'm
gonna
move
forward
in
this
direction,
assuming
no
objections
and
I'll
come
back
to
you
at
the
next
meeting,
with
a
draft
text
and
I'll
probably
probably
share
it
within
at
the
next
Scour
meeting
first
and
then
we'll
bring
it
back
to
the
Commission.
So
then,
if
we're
on
that
track,
then
then
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
another
thing
that
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
from
our
consultant
on
is
is
outreach.
F
The
hospitality
group
again
see
if
they
will
host
a
meeting
for
me
and
see
what
see
where
we
can
move
move
on
this
so
again,
I
think
the
biggest
challenges
are
going
to
be
the
fast
food,
restaurants
and
smaller
establishments,
and-
and
so
that's
my
concern
aside-
I-
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
answers
for
those
folks
and
help
for
those
folks
and
to
move
them
forward
in
this
direction
so
and
I
think
the
biggest
problem
is
gonna,
be
cups.
So
that's
that's
where
we
are
thank.
A
F
Quick
update
on
that,
the
I
had
developed
the
form
to
get
our
student
representative
I
had
developed.
The
letter.
I
was
working
with
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission
rep
Cynthia
to
get
her
input
and
to
get
a
student
rep
for
her,
and
then
we
basically
found
out
that
only
one
Commission
is
authorized
to
have
a
student
representative,
and
that
is
the
Parks
and
Rec
Commission
and
that
it
is
a
topic
which
will
be
addressed
by
the
next
council.
So
that
is
my
understanding.
So.
F
A
F
Yes,
so
I
spoke
with
Stacy
Schaffer
are
how
does
maintenance
of
facilities,
and
she
did
indicate
that
we
do
not
plant
fountain
grass
on
city
property.
There
were
I,
think
some
exceptions
for
the
median
here
on
tahquitz.
They
stopped
from
the
tribe,
so
I
believe
that
there,
if
there
is
some
in
that
median,
then
it
was
based
on
the
direction
from
the
tribe,
and
so
that
is
I
think
the
only
place
that
we
we
as
the
city
may
have
planted
fountain
grass.
So
it
is
her
policy
not
to
do
it
at
all.
I.
F
F
E
There's
been
some
ad
hoc
removal
discussions
about
fountain
grass
and
house.we
Canyon,
we
were
gonna,
do
it
last
year
and
it
turns
out
it
was
like
April
or
May,
and
that
was
right
in
the
middle
of
the
lambing
season.
So
we
held
it
off,
but
it
was
just
a
grass
roots,
get
up
there
and
fill
in
bags.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
city
feels
about
that,
but
it
was
discussed
with
Jane
and
a
gal
and
the
guy
and
the
group
and.
H
J
D
C
F
Certainly
one
thing
we
could
do
is
we
can
make
a
fact
sheet
on
it
and
have
that
at
our
table.
Events,
cuz
I
mean
you're
at
the
farmers
market
every
week
or
once
a
month,
and
then
there's
we're
gonna
have
a
lots
of
events
coming
up
here,
especially
in
the
new
year.
So
we
could
certainly
make
a
sheet
for
that
and
have
some
information
and
hand
it
out.
We
could
do
it's
probably
probably
makes
sense
for
us
to
think
about
and
some
sort
of
a
sustainability
message
or
newsletter
that
might
come
out
at
the
beginning.
F
D
A
To
yeah
there's
some
overlap
there,
but
the
desert,
horticultural
society
does
have
a
flyer
already
yeah
and
there
are
people
in
the
desert,
horticultural
society
or
in
the
Master
Gardener
program
as
well
and
I've
had
some
discussions
with
Tracy
Merrigan
about
that
also
I
do
have
copies
of
the
flyer,
so
you
know
we
may
circle
back
and
talk
to
to
her
again.
Yeah.
F
D
With
the
help
of
the
how
to
how
to
get
rid
of
it,
if
you
had
it,
we
had
some
really
large
planters
on
on
our
property
with
fount
grass.
So,
following
their
recommendations
and
the
you
know,
bagging
it
in
the
black
bag
and
and
today
we
actually
had
it
removed
from
the
property
and
the
ground
crew
was
you
know,
I
was
very
I
stayed
within
the
whole
time.
It
was
like
this.
D
Bag
cannot
be
split,
and
this
is
what
you
have
to
do
with
it,
but
even
if
the
fact
that
it
was
in
a
container
taking
it
out,
the
root
system
was
massive.
It
went
all
the
way
I
mean
the
pots
were
say:
yay
did
so.
Even
when
the
the
above-ground
plants
were
gone,
the
root
system
was
thriving
and
if
it
hadn't
been
potted
I'm
sure
those
roots
would
have
kids.
It
was
very
intimidating
to
see
that,
but
it's
it's
a
survival,
but
the
root
system
is
massive.
A
B
F
So
we
are
moving
forward
with
renaming
the
community
garden
after
Michelle,
my
seein,
who
was
the
former
assisting
ability
manager
the
it
will
happen
on
December
19th,
which
is
a
Thursday
around
lunchtime.
So
between
11:30
and
properly
one
o'clock,
we're
gonna
have
the
naming
ceremony
from
about
11:30
to
twelve
and
then
we'll
have
a
reception
afterwards
at
DeMuth
Center.
We
got
confirmation
today
that
we
can
have
a
room
there,
so
we
can
move
the
reception
inside
and
so
we'll
have
some
food.
F
Her
mother
is
coming
out
and
I
believe
her
brother's
coming
too
so
her
family
will
be
there
and
then
we'll
send
messages
out
to
various
networks,
including
I,
think
her
Facebook
page,
which
is
still
up
so
anyway.
So
we'll
get
the
word
out
and
I
expect.
We
even
have
at
least
50
50
people,
or
so
there
yep
yep
well,
we'll
send
out
an
invite
so
plan
to
be
there.
F
If
you
can
again
about
11:30
on
December
19th,
the
I
just
wanted
to
what
we're
gonna
do
is
have
a
plaque
that
will
go
on
the
outside
of
the
community
center
dan
and
I.
Were
there
today
to
check
it
out
to
see
what
it
looked
like,
there's
clearly,
some
need
for
refresh
so
where
we
put
a
list
together
for
maintenance,
we're
gonna
send
a
note
out
to
the
people
who
have
plots
there
now
to
clean
them
out
and/or
plant,
something
before
early
December.
F
A
The
other
thing
with
regard
to
the
the
ceremony
is
that
we're
going
to
plant
the
trees
at
that
time
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
a
discussion
about
the
types
of
trees
and
none
of
our
had
suggested
some
different
types
of
fruit
trees
and
that
the
action
was
to
talk
to
arborist
or
Master
Gardener.
To
confirm
the
the
best
types
of
trees
to
plant
is.
F
F
F
F
Get
the
water
there
yeah
so
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
figuring
out
how
we,
whether
or
not
we
can
get
it
there
in
time
for
the
ceremony
and
if
we
can't,
then
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
just
replace
that
one
citrus
one
and
that
has
irrigation
already
so
yeah,
and
so
we'll
do
that
symbolically
and
then
we'll
have
to
add
the
other.
Two
later
with.
D
C
D
They
they
had
commented
that
any
citrus
in
the
state
of
California
is
is
subject
to
that.
So,
even
if
you
go
to
the
nursery
section
at
Home
Depot,
those
trees
are
okay,
any
citrus,
but
you
can't
just
get
any
old
citrus
and
it
can't
be
from
a
crop
because
they
can't
they
have
not
got
a
grip
on
the
shot
so,
but
the
state
has
taken
it
very
seriously,
so
you
just
have
to
be
very
careful.
So
there
is.
F
D
Other
there
other
question
that
we
were
working
on
this
and
there's
little
problematic
because
they
were
involved
with
the
fires
and
things
like
that,
but
they
had
said
that
they
would
be
more
than
happy
to
make
recommendations
so
where
to
buy
them
from,
and
you
know
people
to
do
it
here
in
the
desert.
If
you
needed
it
and
they'd
be
more
than
more
than
happy
to
help
in
any
way
they
can
and
they're
very
excited
about.
What's
going
on
here
so
so.
A
D
F
F
So
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
I
think
I
said
this
at
the
last
meeting,
but
we're
continuing
to
send
letters
to
places
with
we.
We
are
reported
to
us
as
being
in
violation
so
we're
sending
that
home
to
the
home
letters
to
the
homeowners
and
I've
gotten
really
good
responses
over
the
past
month
to
those
so
lots
of
people
have
called
me
back
and
said.
Yes,
I
talked
to
my
gardener.
F
He
will
never
do
that
again,
and
some
of
them
were
surprised
because
they
thought
their
gardener
had
converted
and
they
only
to
find
out
that
their
staff
had
not
converted,
even
though
the
owner
thought
that
they
converted
so
anyway.
There's
a
lot
of
that
happening.
We
did
have
several
small
victories
recently
in
terms
of
issuing
citations,
but,
as
was
pointed
out
to
me,
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
get
better
at
at
the
city
level
is
making
sure
that
people
pay
their
fines
and
number
two
is
following
up
on
their
business
license
status.
F
So
whenever
somebody
gets
reported
to
me,
I
check
to
see
if
they've
got
a
business
license
and
then
report
it
to
the
business
license
folks,
so
that
they
can
do
an
investigation.
But
we
never
hear
back
so
anyway.
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
do
a
more
active
enforcement,
broader
enforcement
effort
when
we
do
find
these
violations,
so
I
wanted
to
propose
that
three
things
to
enhance
our
enforcement
efforts
and
just
kind
of
get
your
buy-in
on
that
one
is.
F
We
are
proposing
to
increase
the
fines
to
$500
for
a
first
offense
and
then
I'll
work
with
code
enforcement
to
see
if
we
go
up
from
there
as
we
do
with
the
other
violations.
So
maybe
it's
five
hundred
a
thousand
and
fifteen
hundred
dollars
for
like
the
third,
which
would
be
more
much
more
than
the
cost
of
a
new
leaf.
Lower
second
thing
is:
provide
an
option
for
sighting
the
homeowner.
F
So
la
has
this
clause
in
their
ordinance,
where,
if
a
homeowner
is
knowledgeable
about
the
use
of
the
gas
blower,
then
they
are
subject
to
a
fine
I
think
this
is
more
about
awareness
raising
and
attention-getting
than
it
is
enforcement.
So
I
put
this
statement
into
the
letters
and
after
I
did
that
I
got
a
lot
more
responses,
so
even
having
this
as
a
notion
in
the
ordinance
I
think
will
be
effective
and
then
adding
temporary
supplemental
enforcement.
Staffing
I
think
this
is
key
again.
F
The
response
times
are
hard
because
it's
usually
the
last
thing
that
the
gardener
is
doing
on
the
property,
so
they're
gone
in
five
minutes
and
so
having
more
enforcement.
Somebody
else
enforcing
out
there
just
driving
around,
and
this
would
be
a
just
driving
around
sort
of
enforcement
effort,
because
otherwise
you
just
you
just
don't
see
them
so
so
anyway.
So
those
are
the
three
things
that
I'm
putting
forward
and
I've
been
talking
to
code
enforcement
about
and
then
so
I
just
wanted
to
just
see.
If
you
guys
had
any
objections.
F
So
we've
reached
out
to
everybody
yes
and
we've
had
very
few
actually
a
much
smaller
number
of
HOA
complaints
than
we
had
six
months
ago.
So
I
think
that
the
HOAs
are
pretty
much
in
compliance
and
usually
when
I
do
call
them
I
get
the
oh,
my
god
I
thought
we
took
care
of
this
three
months
ago,
so
they
are
very
respond
and
they
they
take
care
of
it
immediately
so
and.
F
C
F
The
managed
management
company
is
usually
the
one
that
that
takes
the
action
and
it's
the
property
management
company,
not
the
financial
management
company.
So
usually
what
I
do
is
if
it's
an
HOA.
Usually
there
is
some
listing
there
for
a
contact,
and
so
I
was
contact
that
person
and
either
get
the
name
of
the
maintenance,
company
or
management
company
or
they'll.
Tell
me
who
to
to
talk
to
you
so
yeah.
I
I
want
to
share
my
my
frustration
because
I've
spent
you
know
three
times,
I've
told
my
gardener.
Don't
do
this
so
I
have
actual
knowledge
that
my
gardener
is,
while
his
staff
is
showing
up
with
a
very
noisy,
polluting
leaf.
You
know,
leaf
blower
and
I
have
to
run
out
and
Spanish
and
say:
don't
do
that
anymore,
so
I'm
I
support
finding
or
potentially
finding
the
homeowner,
but
hopefully
there'll
be
some
discretion.
Because
what
happens
if
the
homeowner
is,
you
know
taking
all
the
action
to
stop
that
and
short
of
firing.
I
My
gardener,
which
I
very
well,
may
get
to
because
he's
on
probation.
You
know
if
somebody
from
code
enforcement
had
been
driving
by
my
house
last
week.
If
I
hadn't
been
around
notwithstanding
all
of
the
warnings
you
know,
I
could
have
gotten
cited
and
the
person
got
inside
so
I.
I
J
Good
point:
thank
you.
I
had
a
similar
thought,
maybe
not
quite
as
concrete,
but
I
was
wondering
what
is
awareness
mean
in
terms
of
the
homeowner
yeah?
That's
a
good
question.
The
way
the
vacation
rental
ordinance
works
is
you
know
the
address
of
the
person
who's
staying
at
the
house
and
they
will
send
the
citation
to
them
first
and
if
they
don't
respond
and
they
respond
to
the
homeowner.
So
some
mechanism
of
that
sort,
you
know,
might
help
with
the
level
of
awareness
in
some
way.
Just.
F
A
There
I
particularly
like
the
third
item,
adding
supplemental
enforcement
me
I,
think
probably
butthey.
That's
the
only
way
it's
gonna
work
based
upon
complaints,
you've
gotten
so
far.
You
probably
have
good
ideas
of
neighborhoods
where
this
is
happening,
and
so
having
enforcement,
patrollers
and
unmarked
cars.
They
would
know
where
to
go,
and
perhaps
at
what
time.
This
is
a
across
from
me
that
the
Gardner's
usually
they're
about
the
same
time.
A
B
F
F
So
again,
I
think
that
we
would
have
to
be
careful
about
the
way
that
that
we
enforced
that
and-
and
we
understood
that
knowledge
to
be,
and
so
like
I
did
have
a
gentleman
two
weeks
ago
who
I
sent
him
a
letter
called
me.
He
had
a
great
conversation
about.
It
talked
to
his
gardener,
sent
me
a
letter
back
basically
acknowledging
that
he
had
received
it.
F
F
So
I
guess
I
guess
I'd
just
like
to
know
if
there
are
any
objections
to
moving
forward
and
and
noting
that
the
questions
about
how
we
define
some
of
the
stuff
I
think
it
is
important,
so
any
objections-
okay,
all
right,
okay,
so
I
will
move
forward
with
some
conversations
about
this.
The
other
nice
thing
about
this
is
that
the
state
did
confirm
with
me
that
they
are
increasing
the
rebate
levels
for
the
electric
lawn
equipment
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
A
A
The
first
item
is
options
for
interfacing
with
the
City
Council,
and
this
this
we,
this
came
about
from
discussions
that
we
started
last
month
when,
when
Christy
holstege
was
here
and
John
made
a
reference
to
that
earlier
and
in
in
the
meeting,
Patrick
and
I
have
talked
quite
a
bit
about
ways
that
we
might
go
about
doing
that.
I
think
what
patrick
explained,
the
the
options
that
we've
discussed.
F
So
then
it
would
be
treated
similarly
to
other
subcommittees,
like
that
business
retention,
subcommittee,
homelessness,
I
think,
has
a
subcommittee
so
to
I
believe
it's
two
council
members
would
be
assigned
to
subcommittee
and
there
are
no
requirements
in
terms
of
how
often
they
meet,
but
the
any
meetings
that
they
would
have
would
be
handled.
Similarly,
to
like
a
commission
meeting
or
something
like
that,
where
we
would
provide
the
notice,
we
would
help
develop
an
agenda
and
post
the
agenda
and
have
some
recording
of
that
that
meeting.
F
There
are
no
other
members
of
that
subcommittee
other
than
the
two
council
members
who
are
members
of
it
so,
but
anybody
could
attend
so
it
would
be
an
opportunity
to
have
a
more
direct
voice
into
the
council
and
to
depending
on
how
regularly
you
wanted
to
meet
with
them.
It
would
be,
you
know,
quarterly
or
whatever,
so
a
regular
sort
of
input
time
frame.
So
so
that's
that's
one
option
that
does
involve
having
a
staff
representative
for
that
subcommittee.
Who
would
staff
that
subcommittee?
Just
the
same
way,
we
do
the
Commission's
etc.
F
So
so
that's
that's
really
the
the
additional
labor
that's
involved
in
doing
that.
The
second
thing
is
that
the
second
option
is
that
we
could
just
continue
to
maintain
the
liaison
roles
that
we
have
established
in
terms
of
having
a
liaison
that
is
focused
on
the
sustainability
Commission
that
is
cristy
currently
and
I
assume.
F
That
would
continue,
although
we'll
see
how
that
shakes
out
in
the
new
commission
structure,
a
new
council
structure
and
more
actively
engaged
that
liaison
like
inviting
her
to
meetings
when
we
felt
that
that
was
important,
like
I
thought
that
timing
of
that
last
one
was
great,
because
we
could
talk
to
them
about
the
ordinance
and
clean
actually
climate
action
plans
so
thing
when
they
raise
issues
or
ideas,
we
can
bring
them
in
to
say:
okay,
let's
have
a
conversation
about
that,
so
so
anyway.
So
that
is
the
second
option.
J
J
The
second
piece
of
the
puzzle,
I
think
which
you
mentioned,
is
additional
staff
time
and
I'm
wondering
if
it's
logistical
feasible
to
have
the
subcommittee
meeting
and
this
meeting
kind
of
co-occur
or
be
adjacent
such
that
there's
not
really
much
time
added,
and
you
know
all
the
noticing
and
all
that
can
happen
at
same
schedule.
So
that
would
minimize
that
piece
of
it
mm-hmm.
B
So
I
go
to
many
of
the
subcommittee
meetings,
typically
their
quarterly.
The
problem
is,
you
have
two
council
members
that
belong
in
many
subcommittees
and
it's
very
difficult
for
their
timing.
They
try
to
do
them
at
four
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
but
it's
just
it's
really
a
difficult
thing,
because
there's
so
few
of
them,
and
so
many
subcommittees
that
they
are
a
part
of.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
would
also
support
having
a
dedicated
subcommittee,
because
I
think
that
gives
us
more
visibility
with
council,
but
also
more
visibility
with
the
public
that
this
is
an
issue
that
council
actually
cares
about
as
opposed
to
ad-hoc,
and
those
meetings
tend
not
to
get
reported
back.
I
do
believe
a
council
member
holstege
did
report
briefly
on
that.
I
But
if
it's
a
formal
subcommittee,
then
there's
a
little
bit
more
structure
for
the
report
back
to
Council
at
that
and,
as
commissioner
Baker
will
know,
from
our
ethics
and
transparency
task
force,
that
we
did
recommend
that
all
subcommittees
meet
quarterly
and
at
the
last
meeting
of
the
Public
Integrity
subcommittee,
which
was
created
as
a
result
of
our
task
force.
Recommendations
I
suggested
in
councilmember
mayor
pro-tem
course
agreed
that
they
would
try
to
schedule
for
all
subcommittees
standing
subcommittees
quarterly
meeting.
So
I
would
be
timing.
I
I
agree
with
Commissioner
Baker
that
there's
an
issue
of
getting
council
in
the
room
to
members
of
council,
but
I
would
support
a
standing
subcommittee
and
be
certainly
a
goal,
hopefully
achieved
of
quarterly
meetings,
because
I
think,
for
example,
all
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
on
the
climate
action
I
have
a
lot
of
action.
You
know
matters
that
that
I
would
love
to
get
political
feedback
as
to
where
they
want
to
go,
and
it
may
be
that
they
think
that
you
know
we
should.
I
A
H
The
same
lines,
I've
sometimes
wondered
what
how
they
define
sustainability.
Is
it
economic
sustainability?
Are
we
talking
greenhouse
gas
emissions?
I
mean
I,
think
that
there's
and
so
when
you,
you
know
you're
you're,
doing
all
this
work
and
you
don't
really
get
that
kind
of
feedback.
You
don't
really
know
what
you're
on
the
right
track.
H
A
One
difference
I
think
with
this
standing
subcommittee
would
be
its
compared
to
some
of
the
others
that
are
focused
on
just
one
topic
like
homelessness.
We
probably
would
have
more
than
one
topic
and
it
might
change
with
time
as
well.
I'm,
not
saying
that
as
a
plus
or
minus,
but
it's
just
thought
about
how
that
might
operate.
D
Can
we
make
more
of
this?
Is
it
good
for
business,
it's
much
greater
than
that
and
I.
Don't
think
that
most
people
see
it
that
way.
They
just
think.
Can
we
get
more
of
this,
like
with
fossil
fuels,
they're
finite?
So
it's
it's.
When
you
look
at
what
the
what
the
considerations
are
when
they
vote
on
what
why
why
are
these
top
10
cities
considered
sustainable,
what's
attractive
about
them?
D
A
F
C
C
A
The
next
item
under
new
business
is
the
process
for
acting
on
new
requests.
It's
a
little
bit
of
background
there.
As
you
know,
every
meeting
we
mostly
every
meeting,
we
have
somebody
speak
during
public
comments,
and
people
have
some
issue
that
they're
concerned
about.
They
make
a
suggestion
or
recommendation
in
in
addition
to
that
people
send
emails
and
make
telephone
calls
and
make
suggestions
to
Patrick
and
I
I
get
some
suggestions
as
well.
So
one
thing
that
we've
been
doing
is
part
of
the
agenda
development
processes
and
our
draft
agenda.
A
We
have
a
parking
lot,
which
is
includes
these
items
that
have
been
brought
up
in
various
meetings
or
we've
heard
from
people
through
phone
calls
and
and
so
forth,
and
that
that
list
is
probably
12
or
more
items
long.
So
in
in
discussing
that,
you
know
Patrick
and
I
both
felt
strongly
that
we
should
bring
it
up
to
the
Commission
and
determine
what
do
we
want
to
do
about
these
things?
We
have
a
lot
of
them.
A
lot
of
them
are
good
ideas,
but
you
know
we
need
to
take.
A
We
need
to
address
them
and
determine
if
we
should
take
action
on
some
of
them
or
table
of
some
of
them
or
just
not
not
do
some
of
them.
So
that's
the
purpose
of
the
discussion
tonight
and
Patrick
has
sent
out
a
memo,
and
you
know
basically
suggesting
that
we
should
look
at
them
to
see
if
they
are
appropriate
or
have
sufficient
priority
and
then,
if
so,
who
will
follow
up
on
them.
Well,
one
of
the
standing
committees
subcommittees
or
an
ad
hoc
committee
work
on
them
or
individuals
work
on
them.
A
J
J
H
F
So
I
put
that
Street
coding
some
black
versus
grey
as
a
good
one
as
an
example
more
or
less,
because
that
is
an
idea
that
had
been
presented
and
it
ended
up
coming
through
to
the
committee,
the
Solar
and
Green
Building
Committee,
and
so
we're
working
on
some
sort
of
a
recommendation
on
that
to
the
city.
So
so
that's
one
that
came
up.
It's
going
to
go
to
a
committee
and
it's
going
to
end
up
as
a
recommendation
to
the
city.
I
think.
E
In
the
process
it's
like
going
through
these
and
if
you
know
each
one,
if
you
could
come
up
with
two
or
three
people
that
want
to
champion
these,
maybe
that's
a
way
to
include
them,
but
I
did
some
more
research
on
this
and
the
city
county
of
LA
is
spending
millions
of
dollars
to
code
all
their
streets.
White
they're
sold
on
the
idea.
Lawrence
Berkeley
National
Labs
has
a
you
know
a
whole
section
dedicated
to
he
died
urban
heat
islands.
E
F
Was
gonna
say
so
I
think
one
of
the
ants
potential
answers
here
too
is
we
need
to
understand
what
this
is,
because
a
lot
of
there's
very
little
detail
you're
on
something.
So
it's
really
just
a
matter
of.
Does
this
seem
to
make
sense
to
us
at
all,
and
if
it
doesn't,
then
that's
fine.
We
can
just
say
it
really
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
as
a
group
but
then
other
stuff.
We
may
not
want
to
research
a
little
bit
more
to
say:
okay,
this
seems
like
it
might
make
sense.
E
F
A
You
you'll
have
it
on
the
back
burner
on
it.
One
point
that
came
out
there
I
think
is
in
a
lot
of
these
cases.
We
do
need
a
little
bit
more
background
to
some
of
these
yeah
in
order
to
be
able
to
act
on
them
and
whether
that's
the
burden
of
the
person
who
makes
the
request
or
sub
that
lady
will
have
to
determine
that
Commissioner
Goins
was
next.
J
So
I'm
just
throwing
out
ideas,
cuz
I,
think
that
was
the
point
of
this
discussion,
but
Street
coatings
and
sidewalk
coatings
can
be
a
walkability
urban
heat
island
or
an
air
quality
issue.
So
if
it
was
decided
that
you
guys
had
too
much
to
do
that
would
be
a
good
place
for
it
to
be
is
in
health
and
wellness,
or
in
walkability
too,
would
be
good
places
for
it
to
land
potentially
just
thoughts.
It's.
E
H
Haven't
researched
all
of
these
items,
but
I've
researched
a
few
of
them
and
yeah,
we
need
a
lot
of
research
on
them
and
you
know
it's
like
this.
One
sounds
like
it's
it's
a
case
in
point.
Just
like
Patrick
was
saying
I.
Think
it'd
be
a
real
mistake
for
us
at
this
point
to
go
in
this
direction.
Keep
it
on
the
back
burner.
H
Yes,
maybe
not
all
of
them
would
have
on
the
back
burner,
but
I
would
say
you
know
that's
what
I've
found
so
many
of
these
that
they
I
would
never
even
bring
it
up.
Unless
I'd
done
some
research
on
it
and
we
have
people
come
and
give
their.
You
know
their
two
cents
and
three
minutes,
and
you
know
they
haven't
done
any
research
on
it.
You
can
tell,
and
so
I
almost
feel
like
telling
them
hey
go,
do
some
research
on
it
and
come
back
and
talk
to
us
and.
H
Well,
I
would
vote
on
work
on
some
of
these.
You
know
we
have
somebody
coming
present,
this
emotional,
intense
argument
about
blah
blah
blah
and
you
know
I
start
looking
at
it
online
and
it's
like
really
I.
Don't
think
so,
and
why
do
I
have
to
do
that?
I'm,
not
gonna.
Do
that
I
mean
I
will
do
it,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
their
responsibility
and
we
should
give
it
to
them.
I
Just
quickly
going
down
the
list,
I
think
there's
one
that
can't
be
taken
off,
because
I
did
some
did
some
research
and
as
best
as
I
can
tell
all
fireworks,
including
safe
and
sane,
our
absolutely
banned
in
Palm
Springs.
Every
year
the
fire
department
issues
a
press
release
saying:
thou
shalt,
not
thus
the
code
I'll
send
you
the
reference.
It's
section
8.0
four
five
100
Municipal
Code,
which
is
one
of
the
additions
to
the
California
fire
code.
So
I
think
that
can
be
taken
off
the
list.
I
think
we're.
You
know,
I
think
that's
done.
I
I'm,
not
the
one
who's
gonna
take
away
fireworks
on
the
fourth
of
July,
so
I'm
not
going
there,
but
just
a
couple
of
other
things.
The
tree
inventory
for
those
of
us
who
are
sort
of
old
timers
on
the
Commission
I
believe
there
was
one
that
Michelle
had
done
quite
a
few
years
ago.
So
I
would
actually
prioritize
that
for
Earth
Day,
if
possible,
I
do
think
that's
something
that
we
should
that
we
should
redo
and
do
additional
education.
I
And
the
good
news
is
that
if
we
do
that,
you
can
include
it
in
your
GHG
reduction
initiatives
because
we're
putting
trees
and
there's.
You
know
sucking
up
a
little
bit
of
carbon
here
and
there
so
I
would
I
would
definitely
prioritize
that
on
the
list,
the
three
450
campaign
sounds
like
a
good
idea
of
you
know:
maybe
partnering
with
desert
healthcare,
district
and
event
at
the
Wellness
Park
I.
A
D
F
D
H
This
stuff
is
so
easy
to
research.
Now
with
Google,
it's
just
unbelievable.
It's
called
it's
it's
a
pretty
interesting
story,
but
I
won't
spend
you
you've
spent
any
time
of
yours
going
through.
You
think
one
Google
yourself,
but
it's
absolutely
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
off
the
list
off
the
list
for
us
for
us.
You
know.
C
H
H
B
H
C
My
camp
I'm
gonna
release
chair,
pull
this
together
with
the
street
coatings,
but
on
the
wood-burning,
fireplaces
I
question
again
whether
it's
worth
our
time
how
many
homes
in
Palm
Springs
even
have
them,
and
given
our
climate,
how
often
are
they
used
and
to
burn
wood
in
them?
It
seems
to
me
like
we're
just
getting
down
into
the
noise
if
we
were
a
huge
metropolis,
maybe
but
with
a
city
of
50,000
people.
I
just
think
this
is
and
I
have
the
same
reaction
to
the
street
coatings
or
a
small
urban
area.
E
E
C
A
A
H
H
H
Too,
but
even
given
that
research,
it
sounds
like
really
bad
stuff,
but
it
is
it's
used
it's
useful
and
it
wasn't.
You
know,
certainly
on
a
list
of
what
pregnant
women
can't
come
within
10
feet
of
so
you
know
I.
That's
just
wait
for
the
same
reason
that
helium
is
either
off
the
list
or
pretty
down
low
on
the
list
and
if
I
never
saw
it
again,
I'd
be
quite
happy
and.
A
I
guess
this
is
a
case
to
where,
if
there
would
be
a
a
band,
there
would
have
to
be
an
alternate
material
as
well.
It's
all
a
lot
more
back,
yeah
just
needed
in
order
to
work
on
this.
So
we'll
just
table
this
that
consensus.
Okay,
man,
we
already
talked
about
ban
on
fireworks,
we'll
finish
that
up.
I
think
that
the
intent
there
was
community
events
who
wants
to
take
that
one
on.
B
E
A
Think
this
is
a.
This
is
a
good
example
of
you
know
it
being
a
community
event,
I
think,
even
if
there
is
some
pollution
associated
with
fireworks,
fireworks
are
very
important
to
people
at
certain
events
and
I
think
it
would
be
difficult
to
get
a
consensus
to
eliminate
the
4th
of
July
fireworks
or
any
other
major
events.
So
we'll
table
this
or
stand
down
on
this.
It's
a
consensus
and
finally,
the
three
450
campaign,
that's
explained
in
the
memo
from
run
petrica.
F
A
When
we
touch
upon
that
before
I
think
there
was
a
suggestion
that
perhaps
this
could
be
done
in
conjunction
with
the
desert
and
healthcare
district.
I
think
this
is
a
an
educational
thing
and
probably
a
lot
of
educational
materials
exist.
Someplace,
it's
just
a
matter
of
rolling
it
out
and
informing
people
here,
and
there
was
a
candidate
that
we
had
for
them
for
the
Commission
a
few
years
ago.
Who
was
very
big
on
this?
He
wasn't
selected
at
the
time,
but
he
had
all.
F
F
Was
essentially
it's
my
understanding
that
was
essentially
held
until
the
next
council
yeah,
so
it
may,
it
will
likely
come
back
I.
A
A
I
Quickly,
we
had
our
energy
code
training
session
on
November
6th
at
UCR
about
40
people
attended,
which
was
a
good
turnout,
one
of
our
higher
ones,
and
we
got
a
lot
of
good
feedback
and
there
were
materials
that
were
that
were
sent
to
everybody.
The
VBA
essentially
did
all
of
the
work
and
send
everybody
there.
This
is
probably
the
last
I've
done
three
of
them.
Now
the
new
code
was
I
said,
is
being
worked
on,
it's
getting
super
super
complicated.
I
So
the
advantage
of
this
one
is
that
energy
code
ace
it
was
literally
plug-and-play
guy
showed
up
it
is,
you
know,
has
it
slides
answered
questions
and
if
there's
another
one,
it
would
probably
be
essentially
three
years
from
now,
just
right
before
the
code
goes
into
effect.
These
are
the
changes
kind
of
thing,
because
that
I
think
is
the
three
of
them.
I
This
I
think
was
the
most
useful
for
people
also
because
I
just
don't
think
they're
paying
attention
until
roughly
you
know
six
weeks
before
the
code
goes
into
effect,
so
a
good
event,
zero
cost
to
the
Commission.
We
got
credited
for
everything.
Patrick
did
the
introduction,
but
I
think
we're
done
on
that.
That
being
said,
I
will
continue
to
follow.
Follow
the
twenty
to
twenty
twenty
two
code
as
it
works
for
the
Commission
and
report
back
on
that
and
and
see.
I
If
there's
any,
you
know,
potential
action
that
the
city
could
take
but,
as
indicated
in
the
memo,
I
think
the
best
is
left
to
state
sort
of
lead
the
way
unless
we
get
political
direction
to
take
any
action
before
then
I
continue
to
think
that
that's
and
that's
what
Patrick
wrote
is
that
let
the
state
move
forward
on
this.
It's
super
complicated
and
I'm.
I
Just
not
sure
we
have
the
bandwidth
in
Palm
Springs
to
do
anything
specifically
also
Patrick
noted,
solar
zoning
ordinance
was
finally
approved
after
a
roughly
a
year
and
a
half
but
I'm
glad
that
was
done
unanimous
this
time.
Essentially
no
questions
and
the
building
codes.
The
the
energy
code
and
the
rest
of
the
building
codes
will
presumably
be
before
council
on
the
18th
on
December,
18th
and
Patrick's
done
sort
of
a
draft
staff
report,
and
that
will
explain
to
the
new
council.
I
This
is
where
the
solar
requirement
goes
into
effect
for
all
new
residential
construction,
so
I'm
working
with
Patrick
on
sort
of
the
explanation
to
council
of
new
council
about
that.
That's
been
doing
and
will
continue
to
work
at
solar,
green
building
on
the
on
the
requirement
for
cheechee
free
use
for
commercial
buildings.
I
think
that's
one
of
our
main
sort
of
deliverables
for
the
next
couple
of
months.
That's
it
unless
fish,
nur
Flanagan
has
anything
else
that
thank.
F
So,
just
to
quickly
we
talked
about
the
plastics
ordinance.
The
only
thing
I
will
mention
is
that
we
do
do
a
website
update.
So
we
updated
all
the
recycling
and
waste
management
information
on
the
city's
website,
and
so
hopefully
it's
a
little
clearer
in
terms
of
its
organization
and
the
content.
There
was
much
simplified
so
again,
hopefully
that
all
that's
more
helpful
for
folks
to
find
the
information
that
they're
looking
for.
F
We
are
continuing
to
move
forward
on
our
pilot
with
the
cultural
center
and
our
work
on
public
spaces
and
our
signage,
and
all
that,
so
that
downtown
trash
cans
will
be
installed
in
December,
so
they
might
start
to
get
installed
before
our
next
meeting
and
so
we're
working
on
the
signage
associated
with
that.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
on
the
waste
recycling
front.
F
C
A
I
This
morning's
TWA
board
meeting
a
lengthy
discussion
for
and
the
board
approved
and
updated
exchange
agreement
with
Metropolitan
Water
District.
This
new
agreement
runs
until
2035,
and
this
is
the
agreement
that
allows
DWA
to
exchange
its
share
of
state
water
project,
water
from
Northern
California,
with
met,
share
of
Colorado
River
water,
which
runs
through
the
aqueduct
and
there's
a
turnout
right
in
the
mountains
and
then
comes
to
to
the
percolating
pond,
so
very
important
agreement.
Without
going
into
details,
it's
it's.
I
The
gwa
folks
long
received
of
VWD
are
very
happy
because
they
think
that
it
gives
them
more
flexibility
and,
most
importantly,
reliability
of
their
water.
For
the
next
you
know
15
15
years
or
so
continuing
to
have
good
news
on
water
reduction.
The
latest
is
11.5
percent
reduction
in
October
from
the
2013
baseline
and
cumulative
savings
of
last
12-month
period
is
nineteen
point
four
percent
and
cumulative
savings
since
June
of
2016,
when
DWA
put
it's
10
to
13
percent
target.
I
In
is
seventeen
point
four
percent
so
way
over
target
is
roughly
I
think
permanently
the
folks
here
in
Palm,
Springs
and
the
areas
of
ths
and
cat
city
have
essentially
reduced
water
consumption
by
roughly
a
six,
so
that
that's
good
news
and
you
know
we're
working.
Of
course,
we
can't
continue
to
get
that
lower.
B
H
The
turf
removal,
so
basically,
this
is
evolved
into
a
very
collaborative
project
which
is
going
to
include
a
couple
of
master
gardeners
and
probably
including
dr.
Cameron
barrows,
who
who
does
landscaping
based
on
the
ecosystem,
sort
of
image
view
and
it's
going
to
be
a
demonstration
garden,
an
example
of
sustainability
in
the
form
of
a
garden,
so
that
fits
in
with
Ashley,
Metzger
and
ewas.
Whole
turf.
Removal,
desert
landscaping,
desert
irrigation
for
water
conservation.
H
Weed
barrier
is
now
going
to
be
finally
addressed
publicly.
The
DWA
gave
up
their
man
their
insistence
that
people
had
to
sign
up
for
weed
barrier
in
order
to
get
a
rebate
which
they
stopped
doing
back
in
2016
and
haven't
done
it
since.
But
that's
all
good
news,
although
that's
not
true
down
on
the
other
end
of
the
valley,
I
won't
get
into
weed
barrier
now,
that's
another
whole
conversation,
but
we'll
have
planting
for
pollinators.
H
Well,
it
certainly
won't
be
using
fountain
grass
and
they
will
have
signage
to
discuss
that
further.
Hopefully,
we
won't
have
to
use
any
herbicides
or
insecticides,
and
we
will
explain
why
and
of
course,
of
all
native
plants,
probably
solar
lighting.
That
is
question
mark.
In
any
event,
we
have
a
lot
of
money
for
it
and
when
we
get
rid
of
the
weed
barrier,
that
means
that
our
budget
just
expanded
incredibly,
because
if
we
bury
you
so
expensive
between
the
product
and
the
landscaper,
that's
putting
it
in
it
really.
H
Ups,
the
price
of
landscaping,
so
we'll
have
more
money
to
do
a
really
nice
job
and
have
some
nice
signage,
but
we're
still
waiting
on
input
between
the
city
and
the
airport
and
we'll
get
it
and
I've
already
talked
to
a
couple
of
landscape
people.
Aisling
bedskirt
wants
to
be
involved
in
terms
of
you
know
what
kind
of
irrigation
could
be
used.
So
it's
it's
a
lot
more
information
on
our
next
meeting.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
the
ad
hoc
subcommittee,
yours
truly
met
with
Patrick
on
November
4th
to
discuss
the
planning
for
Earth
Day
April
22nd
2020
we
reached
out
to
digit
comm,
haven't
heard
back
from
them
yet
reached
out
to
Desert
Learning
Academy.
They
have
nothing
scheduled,
they
just
said.
Basically
there
there
was
no
interest
on
them.
B
D
B
E
B
F
I
am
super
excited
to
report
that
yesterday
and
we
had
our
interviews
for
the
consultants
for
the
walkability
master
plan,
so
we
were
all
in
agreement
and
so
that
firm
should
be
notified
very
soon
and
hopefully
get
started
in
December.
So
it
will
be
a
fast
and
furious
process
and
so
again
I'm
hoping
that
they
get
on
board
in
December
so
that
they
can
start
planning.
Events
in
January,
February,
March
timeframe.
A
A
That
committee
has
done
a
lot
of
pedestrian
and
bicyclist
safety
projects
in
the
past.
We
did
have
a
discussion
about
that
at
our
last
code
enforcement
and
Public
Works
Committee
meeting
two
weeks
ago,
and
the
basically
what's
happened
is
that
that
the
warm
sands
neighborhood
I
guess
I
showed.
Was
you
John
that
submitted
a
proposal
for
a
traffic
calming
project?
That
project
has
been
received
and
initiated
and
Francisco
has
started
to
do
some
investigation
work
on
that?
A
A
One
thing
at
the
code
enforcement
Public
Works
Committee
recently
as
Joelle
Montalvo,
did
talk
about
some
of
the
criteria
that
are
used
for
determining
where
crosswalks
can
be
placed,
some
of
the
practical
problems
and
and
also
there
was
a
representative
from
warm
sands
there,
and
he
requested
that
we
dig
up
the
history
of
the
addition
of
the
traffic
light
traffic
signal
on
on
Sunrise
going
into
the
same
shopping
center,
so
that
that's
information
that
could
be
useful
as
we
as
we
proceed.
So
we're
focusing
on
the
particular
project.
J
Sir
add
a
couple
of
things
to
I
know
that
that
project
relates
to
the
sustainability
Commission
potentially
and
that
it
could
that
corridor
could
be
one
area.
That's
looked
at
in
our
walkability
plan.
That's
happening
and
I
know
the
city
staff
is
working
on
how
to
actually
figure
out
where
that
project
should
go.
Who
should
work
on
it,
and
that
should
happen
within
the
next
two
weeks
here.
So
it's
kind
of
becoming
a
fun
little
test
case
to
see
where
that's
going
to
go
and
how
it's
going
to
work
out.
Thank.
E
You
I
forget
how
I
got
on
this,
but
I
know
this
is
one
of
my
pet
peeves
is
the
fact
that
we
still
have
pushed
to
walk
buttons
on
our
high
pedestrian
streets
like
but
Indian,
Canyon
and
Palm
Canyon.
Those
buttons
are
not
found
on
big
cities
with
high
high
density
of
walked
and
I
think
it
causes
confusion
and
I.
Think
it's
a
public
safety
issue,
but
I
don't
know
if
there's
any.
If
that
has
any
legs
to
it
or
the
city
didn't
seem
to
have
any
any
issues
with
it.
You.
E
What
happens
is
in
a
big
city?
You
get
to
a
corner
there,
there's
not
a
you're
not
to
push
a
button
to
cross
the
street.
They
just
automatically
assumes
there's
pedestrians
there.
It
has
a
green
walk
to
go
so
people
that
come
from
big
cities
come
to
Palm
Springs
and
they
stand
there
and
they
don't
push
the
button
and
then
it's
red
and
the
traffic
starts
going
and
then
they
get
confused
and
then
midway
through
the
cycle
they
run
across
because
they
they
don't
have
buttons.
So
they're
not
used
to
it.
E
E
D
A
as
a
downtown
pedestrian
I
will
say
that
this
is
the
only
city
I've
ever
been
where
those
buttons
mean
something
and
I
think,
or
at
least
my
assumption
was
because
it's
so
hot
here
that
just
standing
for
a
few
minutes
and
because
there
isn't
a
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic
but
they're,
very
responsive,
so
I
think
without
them
and
just
having
it
on
a
timer.
But
they
actually
work.
And
if
you
press
it,
you're
gonna
get
your
walk,
light
well.
E
D
Well,
I
mean
compared
to
someplace,
really
dense,
like
downtown
LA
or
something,
but
I
am
what
I
am
one
of
those
pedestrians,
but
they
do
work.
They
do
work.
Otherwise,
if
you
don't
pass
and
I've
had
people
joke
about
it
and
I
was
like
press
the
button,
it
turns
and
they
were
like
they
actually
work
here
and
like
yeah.
They
do
it.
B
F
But
it's
it's
rather
it's
when
the
light
in
front
of
you
is
green
and
it
looks
like
you
should
walk
across
the
street,
but
the
walk
sign
hasn't
changed
yet,
and
so
it's
the
fact
that
those
two
things
are
not
always
in
sync,
and
so
the
proposal
I
believe
is
to
make
sure
that
all
always
that,
when
it's
green,
the
little
walk
man
is
walking
as
opposed
to
the
stop.
You
know
telling
you
to
stop,
so
that's
you
can
use
that
terminology.
F
C
F
E
E
You
sent
me
a
Patrick,
send
me
some
copies
of
the
maps.
We
also
wanted
to
look
at
the
New
York
City
did
a
safety,
Bosher
and
I
found
most
of
the
stuff
in
the
safety
brochures
in
ours.
It's
just
poorly
presented
and
I
did
a
closer
look.
It's
on
that
email
saying
here.
There
is
a
street
that's
missing
in
Vallarta
from
the
map,
but
I'd
like
to
get
more
maps
printed
and
I'd
love
to
have
someone
kind
of
organize
that
a
little
bit
better.
F
E
C
E
C
E
E
F
F
So
it's
yeah,
it's
the
Tennis
Club,
it's
something,
but
the
Tennis
Club
yeah.
It's
always
something.
C
A
B
C
E
And
it's
it's
a
bit
there's
two
through
those
three
things,
so
it's
the
color
of
the
light.
It's
the
time
of
the
light
and
it's
the
levels
of
the
light.
So
you
light
a
tree
up
with
150
lemons.
Great
though
you
don't
need
1,500
lemons,
you
don't
need
blue
light.
So
all
three
of
those
things
or
where
we're
headed.
It's
just
a
question
of
how
best
to
enforce.
That
is
what
Robert
and
I
are
working
on.
F
Apparently
there
was
some
negotiation
with
the
Convention
and
Visitors
Bureau
that
we
would
post
hiking
trail
signs
on
major
streets
to
direct
people
to
where
to
go,
and
so
I
have
those
signs.
I
had
no
idea
what
to
do
with
them,
and
so
that
was
clarified
for
me
last
week
and
so
I
need
to
connect
with
the
Convention
and
Visitors
Bureau
to
get
them
to
them.
Basically,
so
so
that's
that's
happening
too.
So.
E
We
would
love
to
get
I
know,
thank
you
for
getting
Mesquite
bolted
down
and
they
removed
the
dog
waystations,
which
is
great,
but
the
biggest
trail
of
South
Lincoln
trail,
and
we
love
to
get
our
Rangers
out
there
to
educate
people
before
Thanksgiving.
So
if
we
could
get
that
one
sign
bolted
up
by
the
end
of
this
week,
so.
E
We've
we've
got
the
handouts
and
we've
got
and
it's
so
we
have
a
we.
We
have
a
ranger
education
program
and
we're
not
enforcing
the
ordinance.
What
we're
doing
is
educating
people,
so
the
biggest
thing
we
have
is
we
have
the
handouts,
the
handouts,
FFA
cues,
and
they
have
information
about
why
this
is
being
done
and
one
of
the
reasons
for
and
most
of
the
curricular
will
come
from
that,
so
we're
gonna
start.
We
once
we
have
the
signs
up
and
we
can
start
meeting
to
develop
our
curricula.
We
can
is.
E
E
However,
it's
filled
with
thousands
of
pedestrians,
so
I
think
to
me:
that's
the
opportunity
that
has
probably
can
yield
the
most
benefit
if
we
can
clarify
and
I
believe
it's
the
Riverside
County
water
and
waste
water
district
that
doesn't
a
lot
of
people
walking
adjacent
to
their
wash.
My
B
district
I
think
yeah.
However,
it
seems
to
be
I,
don't
know
as
it's
so
many
people
do
it
is
it
legal
now
by
I.
B
Think
the
problem
is
safety,
because
that
person,
son
and
someone's
son
got
to
round
over
at
the
entrance
of
pumpkin
on
111.
So,
even
though
it's
dry
99%
of
the
time,
if
the
county
allows
you
to
walk
in
there
and
if
someone
dies,
then
at
the
county
is
liable
for
it,
so
their
chances
at
happening
or
zero
I.
A
B
H
Since
Adam
I
think
he's
anyway,
I'm
just
gonna
read
it
as
Patrick
mentioned,
DCE
will
launch
next
April
the
Community
Advisory
Committee
will
meet
on
Thursday
this
Thursday
and
we'll
be
discussing
outreach
in
connection
with
the
launch.
Katie
barrows
of
seabag
will
join
the
December
Commission
meeting
for
a
presentation
on
DCE
the
Palm
Springs
CAC
members
work
together
on
a
list
of
community
groups
that
can
assist,
live
to
rise,
which
is
the
consulting
group
that
we
got
to
kind
of
market
this
to
low
income.
H
Folks,
on
its
efforts
to
increase
enrollment
in
care
and
ferrah
electricity
and
gas,
low
income
assistance
programs,
we
received
helpful
input
from
City
Clerk
Anthony
Mejia,
who
gave
us
contract
information
for
the
groups
with
whom
he
did
reach.
He
did
outreach
with
last
year
on
the
council,
districting
Commissioner
Miller
coordinated
a
comprehensive
list
that
will
be
forwarded
to
lift
to
rise.
H
A
It
thank
you
so.
The
final
item
on
the
agenda
before
adjournment
is
the
Commissioner
comments
and
upcoming
agenda
development.
So
we
all
go
around
the
table
as
we
normally
do.
If
anybody
has
any
additional
comments
or
suggestions
for
then
the
agenda
for
the
December
meeting,
please
speak
up.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
first.
Is
that
again
a
reminder
about
the
Bourdon
commissioner
training
on
December,
2nd?
If
you
haven't,
if
you're
intending
to
go
or
if
you
haven't
replied
to
Carrie
Milton,
please
do
so.
C
B
B
H
I,
don't
know
that
it's
down
at
the
end
of
oh
thank
you
that
it
was.
It
went
through
the
Planning
Commission
and
it
was
passed
by
City
Council.
We
never
came
here
and
it
never
came
to
the
DW
a
so.
There
was
no
water
analysis
done.
We
do
know
that
the
wave
pool
remember
the
way
full
there.
It
required
it
used
to
require
1
million
gallons
to
fill
it,
and
now
the
surf
pool
will
require
3
million
gallons.
H
For
instance,
the
DWA
work
could
have
assisted
the
designers
in
building
water
saving
features,
which,
of
course,
there
are
expert
in
so
I
wanted
to
put
that
before
you
to
see
if
we
can
just
either
discuss
it
again
or
talk
to
what
we
need
to
discuss
it
with
certainly
the
Planning
Commission,
but
also
the
City
Council.
This
is
a
foolish
way
to
go
about
putting
something
through
that
has
such
potential
impact,
especially
during
a
drought.
H
B
H
H
E
J
Goines
I
had
one
item
and
it
at
one
time
had
been
on
the
backburner
list,
and
that
was
an
update
on
the
cogent
plant
for
a
while.
That
was
a
budget
item
in
our
we
paid
for
the
the
cogent
plant
and
we
were
getting
regular
updates
at
one
point,
but
I
think
is
still
a
sustainability
issue
and
will
become
even
more
important
as
we
do.
Our
upcoming
GHG
emissions
work
that
we
kind
of
know
what's
going
on
with
that.
J
A
A
D
Waive,
but
this
is
the
last
the
last
sample
to
go
into
our
kit,
which
has
taken
up
the
back
of
Jen's
car
some
bet
and
now
is
taking
up
a
good
deal
of
Patrick's
office.
It's
quite
large
I
am
very
excited
about
the
presentations
to
the
point
where
it's
inspiring
enough,
that
I'm
thinking
I
want
to
open
a
food
or
beverage
business.
Who
cares
what
I'm
serving
it's
the
packaging?
It's
very
very
exciting,
and
this
isn't
a
company
that
has
brought
in
some
green
packaging.
It's
all
they
do
and
their
leaders
in
it.
D
It's
exciting
stuff,
I
hope
everybody's
got
a
sample
of
their
new,
the
Jumbo
boba
sized
straw,
which
will
satisfy
the
requirements
for
the
gourmet
shakes
and
and
all
of
that,
but
it's
all
compostable
and
they
do
a
full
full
range
of
straws.
This
just
happens
to
be
a
better,
so
Patrick
when
you're
ready,
I'm
ready
to
go
with
the
presentations,
it's
very
exciting
stuff
and
good
mouthfeel.
It
looks
good.
It
looks
very
stylish
and
it's
clearly
marked
as
everybody
gets
them,
try
them.
They
come
in
different
sizes.
They
do
different
things.
D
You
can
get
bendy
ones.
You
they
certainly
do
paper
and
things
like
that,
but
these
these
are
all
renewable
and
compostable.
They
come
in
the
dark,
green.
You
can
get
it
wrapped
unwrapped
depending
on
the
type
of
business
if
you're
doing
a
prepared
drink
or
if
it's
a
takeout,
where
you
want
the
wrapper,
but
it's
a
great
company
and
they've
been
a
wonderful
resource
and
it's
it's
all.
They
do
but
try
the
straws
they
hold
up
on
par
with
any
heavy-duty
plastic.
It's
not
going
to
chip
your
teeth.
D
The
way
that
plastic
will
sometimes,
if
you
not
paying
attention
and
you
Jam
your
Strine,
but
it's
great
stuff,
it
doesn't,
and
even
the
forks
and
the
cutlery,
the
plates
and
everything
it
has.
A
really
good
feel
and
I
can't
understand
why
anybody
would
want
to
continue
with
styrofoam,
which
tends
to
break
up
anyway,
when
the
alternatives
are
much
sturdier
and
you
would
have
to
really
sort
of
make
an
effort
to
puncture
them
or
break
them,
but
no
bad
taste
or
anything
like
that.
So
it's
it's
very,
very
exciting
and
the
prices
are
not
scary.
B
You
I'm
not
an
expert
in
restaurants
but
I
think
typically
they
use
a
restaurant
supply
company,
so
the
people
that
do
their
napkins
and
all
that
stuff.
It
would
that's
who
really
distributes
stuff
to
the
restaurant,
not
the
actual
restaurant
owner
going
out
to
smart
and
final
to
purchase
straws
and
it's.
D
True,
that
is,
that
is
what
they
do,
but
they're
they're
completely
green.
They
don't
make
other
products
and
have
brought
in
a
green
line.
This
is
all
they
do,
but
yes,
yes,
you're
right.
So
this
they
are
wholesale
supplier
and
it's
not
anything
where
you
can
just
go
to
Big
Lots
or
something
like
that.
But
it's
a
really
really
exciting
and
there's
there's
more
of
them.
I
mean
it's
not
just
this
one
single
company.
They
are
one
of
many
of
this
new
generation
of
green
packaging
companies
that
are
super
savvy.
D
It
occurred
to
me
that
I've
never
heard
anybody
complain
about
the
glass
beer
bottles
and,
of
course
all
beverages
used
to
be
in
glass.
But
no
one
ever
complains
about
you
know
the
glass
beer
bottles
and
why
isn't
it
in
class?
So
why
have
we
have
accepted
just
this
broad
use
of
plastic
for
everything
and
I
think
that's
just
something,
but
these
companies
and
their
big
volume
companies.
So
it's
not
obscure.
D
H
E
H
That's
right,
good
good,
so
one
of
the
biggest
problems
and
sewage
treatment
plants
is
people
use
these
wipes
and
then
they
put
them
down
the
toilet
and
they
flush
them
and
guess
what
they
can't
even
begin
to
handle
them.
They
can't
even
tear
them
apart,
I
mean
and
then
to
boot-
and
this
is
what
the
the
the
labeling
law
would
be
is
that
it
says
on
it:
flushable
yeah.
E
H
You
go
and
you
do
your
educational
thing
that
would
be
you
know,
Metzger.
She
goes
into
the
schools
and
and
some
of
the
you
know
some
of
the
students
are
saying.
Oh,
but
it
says
it's
flushable,
but
it's
not
so
they're
trying
to
get
the
state
of
California
to
be
clear
about
this,
because
it
is
wrecking
havoc
with
sewage
treatment
plants
and.
E
H
I
mean
I
was
mentioning
this
to
my
next-door
neighbor
and
he
was
appalled
because
he
does
it.
He
does
exactly
that
and
he
came
up
with
a
you
know
way
that
he
could
contain.
These
is
any
way
it
needs
to
be
stopped,
and
this
is
gonna
be
part
of
an
educational
campaign
that
some
committee
is,
you
know,
I
I
will
be
doing
it
and
they,
and
actually
the
sewage
treatment
plant,
has
some
very
clever
ideas
for
education,
which
I'll
go
over
with
you
and
another
visit
I've.
D
Got
those
those
wipes
yes,
ten
years
ago
in
New
York,
the
the
cost
that
those
were
costing
the
city
was
enormous
and
they
couldn't
cut
so
they
had
to
just
end
it
and
most
it's
a
dense
city,
old
plumbing,
old
plumbing
systems
be
a
private
or
worst
city,
and
it
was
a
it
was
a
monster
of
a
problem
and
extraordinarily
expensive.
So
no
reason
to
go
there
and
I
think
like
any
feminine-hygiene,
do
not
flush
baby
diapers
do
not
flesh
it's,
not
it's
not
flushable,
but
the
the
cost
was
mind-boggling
for
Manhattan
alone.
This.