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A
B
Certainly
remember
thompson
here,
remember
walsh
here,
remember:
payline
has
been
excused
member
mccoy
present.
A
May
we
have
the
staff
report
on
the
posting
of
the
agenda.
Please.
B
Yes,
mr
chair,
the
agenda
was
published
on
thursday
june
11th.
The
meeting
has
been
published.
C
C
A
This
is
a
technically
a
public
meeting,
and
if
anybody
from
the
public
wanted
to
make
a
comment
not
related
to
an
item
on
the
agenda,
they
were
asked
to
contact
the
planning
department
david.
Do
we
have
any
speakers.
A
Okay:
let's
move
to
the
meeting
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting,
I'm
going
to
abstain,
because
I
was
not
at
that
meeting,
so
I
won't
be
commenting
or
voting,
but
does
anybody
else
on
the
commission
have
any
revisions
or
comments
regarding
the
minutes?
I
will
be
upstating.
E
I
do
have
a
comment
on
the
las
palmas
medical
center,
okay,
and
I
had
made
a
recommendation
or
request
about
the
three
quarter.
Inch
rock
in
lieu
of
the
dg.
E
And
I
would
like
to
give
the
applicant
the
option
to
use
like
a
three-eighths
inch
minus
that
that
not
all
the
rock
has
to
be
three-quarter
inch,
but
some
of
it
could
be
three-eighths
versus
just
the
sand
type
dg,
rather
than
lock
them
into
three-quarter
inch
rock
everywhere.
There
might
be
appropriate
places
for
three-eighths
inch.
Minus
decomposed
grand
louvre
of
the
three-quarter
inch
rock.
A
B
Yeah,
I
found
the
sentence
where
we
can
just
add
the
words
or
as
other
alternatives
or
another
alternative
may
be
acceptable.
B
Okay,
let
me
let
me
see
if
there's
a
setting
in
my
computer,
I
can.
B
B
A
A
B
A
B
C
A
B
That's
correct.
The
only
thing
I
just
want
to
mention,
mr
chair,
is
that
you
know
this
is
a
we're
doing
a
new
format.
Today.
B
B
We
just
ask
that
you
bear
with
us
as
we
work
through
these
technological
adjustments
and
that,
like
we've
done
it
before,
if
committee
members
have
comments
or
want
to
speak,
they
can
just
raise
their
hand,
so
they
can
visually
see
you
or
you
can
visually
see
them
or
they
can
use
the
hand
raised
function
and
we'll
try
and
work
together
to
make
sure
that
all
the
committee
members
are
able
to
make
comments.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
mention
is:
we
are
generally
going
to
have
all
videos
and
microphones,
muted
videos
off
and
microphones
muted,
with
the
exception
of
the
committee
and
staff,
when
it's
staff
who's
presenting
the
project,
applicants
may
be
able
to
turn
their
videos
on
once.
Their
item
comes
up
and
that's
it.
A
G
G
As
you
may
recall,
the
project
was
reviewed
by
the
aac
on
may
18th,
just
to
go
over
the
project
very
quickly.
This
is
a
pro
for
third
conversion,
and
the
project
area
is
approximately
3
600
square
feet.
As
I
mentioned,
it
was
reviewed
by
the
aac
and
on
may
18th.
The
diet
application
has
submitted
the
african
applied
for
the
grant
program
sponsored
by
the
desert
water
agency
and
the
delivery
funding
deadline
for
this
particular
project
is
june.
30Th
2020
and,
as
you
may
recall,
this
is
a
project
site.
G
G
The
previous
same
turf
and
the
bougainvillea
hedges
have
been
removed
and
the
mounds
the
center
of
the
planting,
folders
images
submitted
by
the
applicant
to
show
the
existing
existing
wall
and
the
trash
bins
stored
in
the
motor
court.
That's
a
in
the
motor
code,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
project
site.
G
And
at
the
aac
meeting,
the
members
brought
up
some
concerns
pertaining
to
the
design.
The
first
one
is
the
the
lack
of
excuse
me.
What
was
that?
G
The
the
trash
bins
that
are
stored
in
the
motor
court
can
be
hidden
or
its
visibility
can
be
reduced
by
incorporating
a
landscape
and
then
also
submitted
for
the
review
was
inadequate
in
terms
of
the
information
presented
and
then
also
the
aac
requested
that
there
will
be
some
kind
of
correlationship
between
the
architecture
and
the
landscape,
and
then
also
the
ac
pointed
out
that
there
are
some
general
design
concerns
which
include
the
layering
and
clustering
technique,
plant
diversity
and
the
scale.
G
The
major
difference
is
the
introduction
of
a
crown
of
thorns
as
you
see
in
red
and
the
changes
to
the
moral
core
entrance
driver,
landscape,
treatment
and
installation
of
wikipedia
hedges
against
the
building
wall
and
staff
did
not
observe
any
changes
to
the
size
of
the
borders
that
are
proposed
and
the
size
and
the
scale
of
the
plant
materials
and
staff
also
did
not
notice
any
drastic
change.
The
clustering
and
gripping
techniques
and
the
visibility
of
the
trash
being
stored
in
the
motor
court.
G
G
I
did
not
see
any
changes
to
address
this
issue
and
with
regards
to
the
inadequacy
in
the
information
presented
on
the
landscape
plan,
african
included,
detailed
information
such
as
existing
walls,
water
court
and
a
front
entry
landscape
and
with
regards
to
the
coordination
between
architecture
and
landscape.
Stuff
did
not
observe
any
change
and
other
than
the
installation
of
the
building.
Video
hedges
along
the
building.
G
Staff
finds
that
the
the
device
plan
generally
meets
the
findings
required
for
ma
approval.
However,
the
purpose
boulder
is
ranging
from
12
inches
to
18.
Inches
are
not
compatible
in
a
scale.
G
The
proposed
cactus
and
also
the
width
of
the
street,
which
is,
is
the
runway
and
excessive,
spacing
amongst
front
gripping
still
observed.
G
On
the
other
hand,
the
staff
noticed
that
the
impression
on
the
motor
core,
driveway
landscape
treatment
and
also
staff
finds
that
the
trash
visibility
can
be
mitigated
by
implementing
conditions
of
approval
recommended
by
staff
and,
finally,
the
dwa
funding
deadline
is
approaching
very
fast
and
considering
all
these
things,
our
staff
recommend
aac
approve
the
project
subject
to
a
commission
mentioned
in
the
staff
report.
G
A
Thank
you,
noriko.
Does
the
committee
have
any
questions
of
the
staff.
F
I
have
a
question
norco,
you
know
this
is
part
of
the
turf
replacement
program
and
we
go
through
and
we
review
it
and
they
assume
they
get
an
approved
plan.
This
is
what's
submitted
to
the
desert
water
agency.
Is
that
right
or
it's
just
they're,
providing
the
funding
for
the
turf,
replacement
and
you're?
Basically
approving
the
plan.
G
Yes,
that
is
correct.
The
the
applicant
can
confirm
exactly
which
plan
was
submitted
to
dwa
for
review,
but
if
we
approve
this
revised
plan,
that's
what
the
cities
will
be
approving
and
the
funding
should
be
provided
based
on
the
revised
plan.
F
So,
in
order
for
them
to
get
their
funding
from
the
water
agency,
they
need
to
have
a
stamp
plan
by
the
city.
Saying
it's
been
approved.
Is
that
right,
correct.
A
H
Stolk
and
I'm
I'm
on
the
board
of
directors
for
the
for
the
for
apollo,
fiero,
condos,
so
good
evening
committee,
thanks
for
seeing
us
here,
I
just
wanted
to
go
through
and
do
a
quick
review
with
you
on
on
the
on
the
issues
and
concerns
you
know
on
the
original
plans
we
you
know
we
took.
H
We
took
note
of
all
the
concerns
that
were
originally
there
and
we
went
through
and
revised
the
plan
and-
and
I
I
hope
you
know-
the
changes
that
we
made
were
adequate,
there's
apparently
a
few
things
were
not
there.
We
added
plants,
we
did
some
diversity
on
plants
and
I
will
say,
on
the
original
plan
we
had.
H
There
were
some
missing
bougainvilleas
and
I'll
explain
that
very
quickly.
It
was
my
fault
we
painted
the
entire
complex
and
we
had
removed
all
these
bougainvilleas
that
were
existing
in
order
to
paint
the
complex
because
they
were
very
old,
very
mature
and
they
were
literally
stuck
to
the
wall
of
the
structures,
so
we're
replacing
those
and
those
are
on
the
plans
now
so
and
our
landscape
architect
did
not
know
that
we
had
removed
those
plan.
Remove
those
spoken
vias
and
also
with
the
trash
can
we
had
some
concerns.
H
We
weren't
really
sure
what
to
do
so.
We
presented
it
to
the
staff,
we
said,
hey,
look,
here's
what's
going
on
with
the
trash
can
situation,
we
provided
the
photographs
and,
of
course
they
provided
some
recommendations
to
to
mitigate
that,
and
I
will
say
we're
very
happy
to
implement
those
recommendations.
You
know
to
mitigate
being
able
to
see
the
trash
cans
from
from
the
area
where
they
are
where
they
are
stored.
H
I
thought
that
we
had
proposed
changed
the
square
footage,
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
that
the
square
footage
was
a
little
bit
shy.
I
thought
that
we
had
made
those
modifications.
We
acknowledged
that
the
last
time,
but
we
do
acknowledge
that
the
square
footage
that
was
exactly
what
the
turf
replacement
was,
and
I
thought
we
had
modified
it-
to
include
the
additional
plantings
that
we
were,
including
in
the
job.
H
And
finally,
I
would
say
that
you
know
we're
we're
happy
to
implement
those
recommendations
we
like
them.
We
definitely
want
to
go
through
increase
the
boulder
size.
We're
happy
to
you
know,
extend
the
bougainvillea
hedges
as
is
recommended,
and
I
I'm
very
we're
very
open
and
pleased
to
go
ahead
and
implement
those
changes.
We
don't
have
any
any
issues
or
problems
with
those
matter
of
fact.
A
B
You
can
ask
for
it,
but
you
know,
like
I
said
I
don't
think,
there's
been
anyone
who's
specifically
requested
to
speak.
Okay,.
A
I
H
That's
yeah
and
I
thought
we
had
done
that.
I
thought
that
was
actually
incorporated
into
this
plan
and
we
were
actually
going
to
from
what
I
understood
with
the
landscape
architect
and
the
head
of
our
arc
of
our
landscape
committee.
We
were
going
to
make
some
pretty
substantial
increases
in
the
boulder
size,
like
double
the
bigger
ones
and
and
maybe
more,
and
we
all
agreed
to
that
and
determined
that
we
would
like
to
have
some
some
much
larger
boulders
in
the
mix
there.
Okay,
thank
you.
F
Robert
is
your
landscape
architect
on
available
today,.
H
F
I'll
I'll
ask
the
question
and
I
meant
to
ask
if
the
last
time
you
came
before
the
community
yeah
on
the
plan.
You
know
it
looks
like
all.
The
planting
is
pretty
consistently
spaced
out
and
I'm
just
curious
since
there's
really
no
scale
on
the
drawing
how
much
space
actually
is
there
between
each
plant.
You
know
like
if
you
look
at
the
serious
you
know.
They're
you've
got
a
bunch
of
serious
together,
but
they
all
look
like
they're
x
feet
apart
from
each
other.
Do
you
know
you
know.
H
C
D
So
I
understand
the
layout
and
where
you're
going
with
that,
with
the
you've,
also
added
lighting
for
nighttime
effect.
What's
your
goal
with
the
with
the
lighting
plan
right.
H
You
know
we
want
to
have
it
illuminate
at
night,
so
it's
visible
and
and
looks
good
at
night
time.
We
don't
want
it
to
be
invisible.
We
want
it
to
be
seen.
So
the
idea
was
just
to
have
the
the
landscape
illuminated
and
invisible
at
night.
H
On
the
trees,
the
only
lights
that
exist
right
now
are
up
lights
on
on
the
palm
trees
and
an
uplight
on
the
existing
olive
tree.
H
A
Any
other
questions
I
have
a
question
rod.
Yes,
you
got
some
suggestions
from
staff
as
to
how
to
mitigate
the
trash.
Can
views
that
you
were
willing
to
do.
Can
you
share
those
with
us
and
let
us
know
what
that
would
be.
H
Sure
so
my
understanding
is
they
wanted
to
just
take
our
the
bougainvilleas
that
we're
going
to
have
along
the
structure
and
pull
them
over
to.
If
you
look
at
the
photographs
of
the
trash
cans
and
it's
to
pull
them,
pull
them
across
and
over
and
include
them
so
that
they
would
block
the
trash
cans
in
the
areas
that
they're
visible
in
those
in
those
corners.
A
H
H
Oh
no
well,
it
was.
It
was
just
as
we
submitted
this
when
I
submitted
our
our
second
plan.
We
asked
the
question.
We
said:
hey
we're
having
an
issue
with
wanting
to
mitigate,
and
you
know,
block
those
trash
cans
with
landscape.
Here's
what
we
have
here's
our
problem
with
it
and
we
just
said
yeah.
We
we're
not
sure
exactly
what
to
do,
and
so
they
came
with
a
suggestion.
J
H
J
Let's
see
your
staff
probably
has
this,
and
so
does
everyone
on
the
on
the
committee
here
so
item
five,
you
know.
H
I
can
answer
that
quick
question,
I'm
sorry
that
that
was
a
letter
that
came
from
us
that
came
from
the
board
and
it
I
I
noticed
it's
not
dated
it
was
submitted
in
response
to
the
last
concerns
of
the
initial
committee
meeting.
J
So
a
couple
couple
of
items
here
with
this
and
I've
got
the
street
view
in
front
of
me
here
also
item
five
says
he's
talking
about
the
moving
v
and
says
they
were
removed
to
paint
the
complex,
correct.
So
there's
a
fair
amount
of
landscaping
that
looks
like
it
was
removed
here
and
there's
a
very
low
ball.
I'm
guessing
it's
two
foot
and
change
tall.
J
But
when
I
read
this
letter
and
I
look
at
the
plan-
I
kind
of
don't
see
it
so
the
letter
says
they
were.
You
know:
booganville
was
removed
period,
not
doing
much
about
it.
Item
six
says:
planting
a
tall
hedge,
a
six
foot
long
area
along
the
outside
of
the
wall
would
be
out
of
contact
with
the
rest
of
the
planet,
would
only
conceal
one
side
of
the
cans.
J
Unfortunately,
this
is
one
of
the
comments
that
is
not
possible
to
address
with
landscape.
We've
included
some
photos
for
clarification,
then
item
eight,
we
request
the
plan
to
be
approved
at
the
current
size
of
plants
specified
purchasing
larger
plants
is
a
substantial
increase
in
cost,
and
the
hoa
has
limited
financial
resources,
but
I
felt
like
maybe
maybe
you
were
saying
something:
that's
new
information
new
newer
than
this
document.
H
Sure
sean
I'll
I'll
clarify
this
for
you.
So
as
far
as
the
let's
take
the
bougainvilleas
first
well,
we
didn't.
We
did
increase
the
amount
of
plants
that
were
in
the
mix
from
the
original
plant
and
they
included.
Our
landscape.
Architect
did
include
an
additional
plant
type,
so
we
tried
to
make
a
better
mixture
and
they
did
increase
some
plant,
the
amount
of
plants
and
an
additional
plant
type,
the
amount
of
plants,
and
we
actually
thought
like
I
had
referenced
earlier.
We
we
agreed
prior
to
this.
H
We
submitted
this
that
we
would
increase
the
size
of
the
boulders
and
put
larger
boulders
in
the
mix.
So
we
definitely
want
to
do
that,
and
that
was
one
of
the
suggestions
and
that's
what
we
always
wanted
to
do.
After
the
last
meeting
the
bougainvilleas
were,
they
were
existing
and
you
guys
saw
the
photographs
and
you're
going
hey,
look
that
well
the
the
on
the
plan.
H
H
So
both
of
you
is
there
now
on
the
trash
cans.
That's
what
I
suggest
they
said
man,
I
don't
know.
Basically
I
admitted
I
don't
know
what
to
do
with
these
trash
cans.
I
wasn't
sure
you
know
we
have
our
plans.
Are
we
going
to
put
some
tall
plants?
I
said
it?
Doesn't?
It
doesn't
go
along
with
the
plants
that
we
wanted
to
put
against
that
wall,
but
the
suggestion
of
staff
to
just
pull
the
bougainvilleas
over
and
you
know,
keep
them
consistent,
just
wrap
them
around
to
that
space.
I'm
good
with
that.
H
That's
a
good
suggestion,
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
that
because
that's
just
fine
with
us.
J
And
so
oh,
okay,
hey
the
second
to
last
page
and
potentially
the
last
page
of
this
presentation.
J
You
say
you're
going
to
put
the
bougainvillea
back
with,
but
I'm
looking
at
the
building
and
you
you
can't
put
back
if
you
can't
afford
larger
plants
now
you've
got
to
go
out
and
buy
mature
bougainvillea
plants
because
well
we're
going
to
not
we're
going
to
let
it
finish.
They've
been
obliterated
from
the
total
facade
of
this
building
and
then
the
new
landscape
plan
doesn't
really
address
anything.
J
That's
going
in
front
of
this
building.
So
before
you
answer,
and
then
the
block
wall
to
block
these
trash
cans.
If
you
can't
put
bougainvillea
there
then
build
a
higher
block
wall.
I
think
there's,
I
think,
there's
some
ordinances
from
the
planning
department
about
multi-family
residential
properties,
trash
cans
and
things
like
that
and
trying
to
mitigate
the
view
of
those
from
from
the
street.
So
maybe
trash
cans
have
grown
over
time,
I'm
sure
they
have
and
in
height.
J
Maybe
the
wall
needs
to
go
up.
If
plants
can't
aren't
able
to
do
it.
H
Well,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
sean
I
do
you
know
obviously
on
the
boat
you
can
see
if
you
look
at
those
photographs
of
the
street
of
that
blank
wall,
that's
all
blank
that
that
all
used
to
be
covered
with
mature
bougainvilleas,
and
they
were
oh,
my
goodness
they
were
six
seven
feet
tall.
They
were,
they
were
very
almost
as
tall
as
the
structure
itself.
H
So
you
know
we
want
them
to
grow,
to
maturity,
we're
not
going
to
buy
full
row
and
bougainvilleas,
but
the
plan
is
to
grow
them
to
a
good
level
so
that
they
come
up.
You
know
to
an
acceptable
level
along
that
structure,
as
we
had
it
and
cover
the
structure.
H
One
of
the
pictures
shows
a
little
bit
of
bogan
via
that
is
left
that
you,
you
can
see.
If
you
look
at
the
the
street
users
yeah
somebody
that
remains
that
bogan
via
covers
a
driveway
area,
but
you
can
see
that's
how
tall
it
was
along
the
whole
structure.
So,
of
course
we're
going
to
let
it
grow
and
mature
and
we're
going
to
maintain
it
and
keep
it
all
consistent
like
it
was.
C
H
And
we'll
look
into
the
into
the
the
issue
of
the
of
the
adding
block
wall
to
the
trash
cans
we're
open.
To
that
I
mean
we
understand
it's
an
old
complex.
You
know
it's!
It's
been
there
since
1965.
I
think
so
we're
very
amenable
to
you
know
working
with
you
guys
to
to
get
those
blocked
and
to
mitigate
and
make
it
as
as
less
visible
as
possible.
H
Yeah,
I
mean
we'll
agree
to
that
sure.
If
that's
what
you
guys
dictate
what
you
want
to
do.
I
was,
I
just
thought:
the
idea
of
running
bogan
via
across
there
just
where
the
trash
cans
are.
If
you
look
at
the
pictures
of
the
trash
cans
to
to
just
go,
hide
them
there,
it
would
be
consistent
with
what's
going
in
my.
That
would
be
a
good
idea.
I
thought.
J
H
J
I
H
H
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
pictures
and
you
can
see
on
the
bottom
right,
there's
some
bougainvillea,
that's
existing
on
a
house
there
right
and
it's
it's
like
seven
feet,
tall
right,
eight
feet
tall,
it's
like
almost
a
real
height,
but
you
know
we
want
wanted
to
make
it
look
good.
I
don't
know
what
the
proper
height
would
be.
I'm
open
to
suggestions,
you
know,
but
I
certainly
thought
it.
You
know
five
feet,
six
feet
tall.
I
H
Along
that
whole
small
block
wall
yeah,
we
pull
it
across.
My
envision
would
be
that
it
would
be
pulled
across
if
you
look
at
the
pictures
of
the
trash
cans,
we'd,
take
it
from
the
wall
and
just
and
and
like
make
an
l
put
an
l
across.
We
we'd
put
the
bug
in
via
it's
gonna.
You
can
see
where
it's
gonna
be
across
the
wall
on
the
top
of
the
picture
and
just
sort
of
keep
run
it
and
and
put
it
right
next
to
that
wall.
So
it's
consistent
with
the
bougainvilleas
and
just
so.
H
H
It
can't
that
see
the
the
the
that
I
I
wouldn't
do.
It
would
just
be
along
the
the.
How
do
I
describe
it
that
the
east
side,
that
was
that's
east-
you
see
the
silver
car
there-
that
silver
car
is
parked
in
an
east-west
direction.
The
taillights
are
west,
the
headlights
are
east,
so
we
just
put
I
I
would
envision
it
being
just
across
that
east
section
of
the
wall.
I
H
H
And
that's
something
yeah,
that's
something
that
we
could
do
and
we'd
have
to
do,
that
this
space
would
have
I'm
not
sure
how
we
would
do
that.
Gentlemen,
but
I'm
open
to
doing
it.
This
space
is
exclusive
use
space
of
the
homeowners,
it's
not
a
common
area,
but
we
would
figure
it
out.
We
could
figure
it
out
all
right.
H
A
I
think
that
dan's
suggestion
of
instead
of
increasing
the
entire
wall,
but
to
maybe
try
to
create
an
enclosure
makes
the
most
sense.
I
would
also
question
staff
that
part
of
that
wall
is
in
the
right
of
way
and
then
you've
got
setback
issues
for
the
height
of
the
wall,
so
increasing
the
height
of
the
entire
wall,
probably
isn't
practical
to
comply
with
zoning
requirements
for
wall
heights
and
setbacks.
A
E
A
list
of
five
items
here
that
I
think
could
help
clarify
the
plan.
Number
one
is
on
the
serious
cactus
they're
calling
for
15
gallon.
Typically,
these
are
called
out
either
as
single
or
multi-trunk.
E
E
I
don't
see
that
the
bougainvillea
are
called
the
size
for
the
bougainvillea
are
called
out
and
I
would
recommend
15
gallon
size
for
the
bougainvillea
and
then
I
would
recommend
that
two
to
three
washingtonia
palms
be
added
to
the
base
of
the
tall
groupings
and
they
could
be
at
a
height
of
six
to
ten
feet
so
that
we
would
some
type
of
visual
cue
at
eye
level
right
now.
Those
things
are
so
tall.
E
J
J
E
E
To
eight
feet
spacing.
J
K
It's
it's
been
sort
of
a
confusing
odyssey
in
spite
of
the
the
size
of
the
project
here
in
terms
of
the
the
submittals
and
the
differences
in
them.
I
think
that
the
general
consensus
of
finding
an
architectural
solution
to
the
parking
of
the
trash
and
the
recycle
bins
is
is
kind
of
a
must.
Do
this
is
sort
of
a
long
way
home
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
the
landscaping
to
solve
that
problem.
I
think,
if
there's
a
better
position
selected
for
them
with
some
type
of
visual
enclosure,
that
would
certainly
do
it.
K
I
would
concur
with
tom
dorsey's
list
of
just
a
more
fleshed
out
specification
in
terms
of
sizes
and
spacing,
and
that's
it
hey.
Thank
you.
D
Yes,
I
agree
with
what
husband
said
and
I
particularly
agree
with
the
thought
of
adding
some
more
palm
trees,
shorter
ones
to
the
existing
ones.
D
So
if
they
add
some
at
some
new
ones
at
a
lower
level,
I
recommend
put
the
lighting
on
those
they
both
the
larger
cluster
on
the
eastern
near
the
corner
of
palo
vieiro,
that
large
they've
got
enough
massing
at
the
top
that
you
can
probably
get
some
light
up.
There
keep
lighting
on
that
to
keep
it
that
historical
feeling,
that
of
what
you've
had
you've
added
two
lights
on
the
sign.
D
You've
got
two
lights:
now
I
mean
you've
got
one
now,
you've
turned
it
into
two
on
the
plan.
I
would
not
up
the
intensity
at
that
location.
I
would
the
one
is
sufficient
so
and
then
the
you
you
have
specifically
said
you
want
to
use
smaller
plants
and
putting
a
light
on
every
single
plant
you're.
D
Creating
a
lot
of
hot
spots,
so
I
find
reduce
the
quantity
of
lights
on
the
cactus,
reduce
the
quantity
of
lights
on
the
old,
older
palm
trees,
pick
your
accents
and
focus
the
lighting
to
something
that
will
be
more
dramatic
and
interesting
for
people
who
are
passing
by
at
night.
It.
You
know,
people
who
are
coming.
Are
your
owners?
D
You've
got
some
people
out
walking,
but
usually
people
are
passing
by
at
40.
I
think
4
40
is
the
speed
limit
there.
So
you
know
they're,
passing
by
at
a
quicker
pace,
so
finding
something:
that's
a
nice
rhythm
and
a
nice
visual
rather
than
a
lot
of
light.
Just
because
there's
a
plant,
it
would
be
far
more
interesting.
F
Yeah,
so
you
know
I've
driven
by
this
complex
a
couple
times,
and
you
know
the
exposed
wall
of
the
complex,
I
think,
is
actually
a
nice
wall
and
could
be
a
really
nice
backdrop
to
some
nice
landscaping
and
I'm
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
the
of
bougainvillea
hedges.
Personally
and
at
some
point
I
think
you're
going
to
have
to
tear
them
down
to
paint
the
building
again,
so
you
just
kind
of
go
through
this
cycle.
F
It
seems
very
regular
to
me
and
I'd
like
to
see
something
a
little
bit
more
organic
and
maybe
cluster
the
boulders
instead
of
you
know,
sort
of
spreading
them
out.
Equally,
you
know
two
feet
apart
or
whatever
the
same
thing
with
all
the
plant
material.
It
just
seems
too
generic
and
and
and
could
be
just
by
clustering
them
some
of
the
plants
closer
and
then
spacing
others
out
further.
I
think,
would
make
for
a
better
composition.
J
J
I
I
think
I'm
having
a
difficult
time.
It
just
feels
like
the
devil.
We
know
here
a
little
bit
with
the
bougainvillea
I'd.
Much
rather
see
a
more
interesting
plant
palette,
different
heights
of
something
else
proposed
there,
but
I
I
don't
feel
like
we're
gonna
get
it
I
sure
would
like
to,
but
you
know
some
yucca
or
something
interesting.
J
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
to
do
here
or
what
to
ask
for,
I
feel
like
we
were
settling
for
bukin
v
along
the
building,
because
it
looks
better
than
just
a
just
the
way
it's
looking
currently,
particularly
on
these
last
two
photos,
as
you
can
see
on
the
last
two
pages
of
the
document,
so
I'm
confused
on
where
to
go
with
this
now
because
rodman,
I
I
think
that
the
we're
heading
in
another
direction
now
maybe
another
iteration
of
some
more
interesting
material
on
lieu
of
bougainvillea.
I
C
I
Well,
I
just
had
a
question
down
pal
fierro:
don't
they
already
have
some
logan
billiards,
so
it
kind
of
ties
it
together
with
that
side
of
the
complex
as
well.
I
mean
I'm
not
a
fan
of
bougainvillea
myself
either,
but
isn't
it
keeping
some
consistency
with?
What's
already
going
in
some
of
the
other
parts
of
the
complex
I
mean
it
may
look
kind
of
funny
if
all
of
a
sudden
it
changes.
You
know
you
change
the
corner
in
the
complex
and
everything
becomes
completely
different.
J
I
I
I
see,
I
see
a
point,
but
I
guess
I
kind
of
feel
like
they're,
trying
to
make
an
improvement
here
and
we're
kind
of
beating
them
up
of
quite
a
bit,
and
this
is
the
second
time
they've
been
before
us
and
we're
still
kind
of
beating
them
up.
And
then,
if
we'd
had
those
suggestions,
we
should
have
given
it
to
them
last
time
as
well.
But
I
I
think
that
some
consistency
is
important
as
well.
J
That's
just
my
opinion.
I
feel
I'm
not
so
sure
that
I
agree
with
that.
One
though
I
know
we
they
got
beat
up
the
first
time,
but
some
of
the
comments
to
me
could
have
fallen
under
the
same
category
of
what
broadman's
suggesting
now,
and
I
think
I
am
that
there's
sort
of
a
a
mundane
plant
palette
here
and
and
kind
of
a
a
mailed
in
version
of
a
landscape
plan
with
the
spacing
and
the
way
these
drawings
are
proposed.
J
There's
no
scale
on
here,
that's
visible,
I
don't
know
I
feel
like
in
some
ways
we
are
asking
for
what
we
asked
for
initially,
which
was
some
originality
or
some
design
here,
and
that
this
this
is
kind
of
falling
short
of
beautifying.
The
project.
J
J
C
J
A
So
I
think
we're
getting.
We
aren't
moving
ahead
very
well,
and
I
I'd
like
to
suggest
a
couple
reiterate
a
couple
of
the
thoughts
that
I'm
hearing
and
see.
If
somebody
can
put
this
into
a
motion,
I
think
we're
suggesting
that,
instead
of
a
solid
bougainvillea
hedge
along
the
southern
face
of
the
building
that
it,
the
the
bugavi
would
be
broken
into
clusters
or
groups
so
that
we
see
some
of
the
plaster
wall
of
the
building
and
where
we
have
the
plaster
wall
of
the
building
shown.
A
It
can
then
be
a
backdrop
for
some
of
the
cactus
and
other
things
that
are
going
in.
I
think
adding
palm
trees
that
are
lower
to
those
existing
groups,
we'll
take
away
the
telephone
pole.
Look
where
you
actually
see
the
palm
tree
and
and
have
something
that
we
can
light
up
and
then
work
with
the
spacing
of
the
plants
and
boulders
to
make
it
all
more
organic
and
less
regimented.
A
And
then
the
final
comment
would
be
that
if
an
architectural
solution
can
be
created
for
the
trash
can
enclosure,
I
think
that
solves
the
last
issue
that
exists
here
and
unfortunately,
with
the
dwa
deadline
looming.
I
really
hope
we
can
get
a
motion
today.
That
would
give
an
approval
with
conditions
and
those
conditions
would
be
reviewed
by
staff
to
make
sure
that
they
comply
with
the
direction
from
the
committee.
J
C
G
Yes,
so
let
me
see
so
instead
of
the
solid
building
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
building,
the
such
prime
materials
shall
be
grouped
or
to
be
clusters
so
that
the
plaster
building
individual
walls
can
be
exposed
as
a
background,
and
then
also
I'm
sorry.
I
missed
this,
the
one
right
after
it,
but
I
got
the
spacing
of
materials
and
boulders
to
be
reorganized
so
that
more
organic
appearance
can
be
and
they
increased
the
boulder
size
to
be
minimum.
I
believe
it
was.
G
Yes,
three
to
four
feet
in
size
and
the
size
of
the
prime
materials
to
be
at
least
15
gallons
for
the
night
blooming
serious,
the
cactus
and
the
dessert.
Excuse
me:
I
think
it
was
a
mexican.
G
It
was
a
mexican
grass
tree
and
then
also
those
are
the
three
prime
materials
that
I
noted.
A
The
other
comment
I
made
was
that
where
the
bougainvillea
is
eliminated
against
the
south
face,
that
would
then
be
a
backdrop
for
where
the
taller
cacti
would
be
planted,
and,
as
tom
mentioned,
that,
in
addition
to
the
cactus
being
15
gallon
minimum,
it
would
be
multi-truck
three
to
four
feet
tall
and
and
to
add
that
there
they
should
in
approach
an
architectural
solution
to
the
trash.
Can
enclosure.
F
And
tom,
may
I
add
something
to
that
or
do
I
have
to
wait
till
we
sure?
Can
we
put
a
cap
on
the
amount
of
bougainvillea
they
use
on
the
front
south
elevation
to
maybe
a
maximum
of
40
percent
of
the
length
of
the
building.
J
A
A
C
C
A
L
Okay.
Thank
you
sorry
about
that.
The
applicant
oasis
dispensary
is
requesting
approval
for
a
monument
sign
for
a
single
tenant
building
located
at
4810
east
camino
parisella
within
the
m1
zone.
L
L
The
proposed
monument
sign
will
be
located
perpendicular
to
camino
parisella
and
will
be
an
illuminated
double
faced.
Monument
sign
with
a
curl
with
acrylic
push
through
cabinet.
The
monument
sign
will
have
a
decorative
element
that
will
match
the
main
building
and
will
be
painted
either
silver
or
gold.
So
I'm
going
to
jump
back.
One
slide
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
on
the
top
picture
the
white
kind
of
decorative
wall
they're
going
to
have
that
element
on
one
side
of
the
monument
sign
to
tie
the
two
together
per
the
engineering
department.
L
L
The
monument
sign
is
40
square
feet
and
staff
has
found
that
it
does
comply
with
the
palm
springs,
zoning
code
and
standards
within
the
code.
The
staff
asks
the
rec
asks
architectural
advisory
committee
to
recommend
approval
subject
to
the
conditions
which
would
be
to
remove
the
main
wall
sign
and
the
lettering
on
the
dirt.
If
that
still
exists,
the
applicant
is
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
K
John
walsh,
it
wasn't
clear
alex
on
the
opposite
side
of
what
we
are
seeing
in
the
view
here.
What
is
on
the
back
end
of
the
sign.
K
E
Tom
docey,
thank
you
is
the
sign
located,
I'm
looking
at
the
picture
here
and
is
the
sign
located
right
on
the
property
line,
or
do
they
own
both
properties,
where
the
rock
this
color.
L
It's
going
to
be
entirely
on
their
property,
it
wasn't
very
clear.
I
was
hoping
the
applicant
could
clarify
that
as
well,
but
it's
it's
a
little
off
to
the
side,
so
there's
concrete
where
the
parking
is
off:
camino,
parisella
and
a
little
bit
of
dirt
to
the
east
of
that
which
is
which
is
where
it
would
be
located.
L
A
M
M
That
obviously,
is
very
hard
to
see
from
gene
autry,
not
too
many
people
can
find
them
until
they're,
actually
in
their
parking
lot,
so
they
they
have
willingly
agreed
to
remove
the
sign
that
doesn't
work
for
them
to
add
a
monument
sign
that
you
know
is
simple
but
effective
and
feels
you
know
it
ties
in
with
the
building
architecture.
E
Just
for
clarification,
john,
are
you
saying
that
the
sign
mounted
to
the
building
will
be
removed.
C
F
Robert,
so,
can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
the
design
of
the
of
the
sign
and
the
priority
placed
on
the
different?
The
three
different
elements.
M
Well,
and,
and
can
you
name
the
three
elements
just
so
I.
M
Sure,
okay,
so
you
know
oasis
is
obviously
their
name
to
differentiate
from
other
dispensaries,
but
you
know
they
want
to
make
it
clear.
That's
why
it
has
most
of
the
weight
that
they
are
dispensary
and
gab
bar.
I'm
that's
a
good
question.
I
don't
know
what
a
dab
bar
is
to
be
honest,.
C
M
M
M
You
know,
obviously
that
was
that
was
given
to
us
dispensaries
font
choice
was,
you
know,
obviously
more
for
readability
than
anything
else,
and
the
dab
bar
was
was
kind
of
to
differentiate
from
the
from
the
name,
the
oasis,
dispensary.
So.
D
M
No,
if,
if
there's
any
differentiation
and
light
output
from
the
rendering
it's
it's
purely
just
a
graphical
issue,
all
the
lighting
would
be
evenly
distributed
for
each
each
of
the
letter
sections
and
they
would
all
have
the
same.
Illumination.
M
I
mean
they
are,
they
are
the
the
lighting
is
situated
behind
the
lettering.
So
you
know
it.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
waste?
You
know
any
any
lighting
product,
but
but
it
is
evenly
dispersed
behind
the
letters.
Okay,
thanks.
A
I
You
any
other
questions
I
have
questions.
Was
there
any
other
design
considered
that
maybe
tie
the
block
wall
and
the
sign
a
little
more
cohesively
together,
rather
than
having
an
aluminum
piece
stuck
onto
it?
That's
silver:
when
the
block
was
white,
the
decorative
black
wall.
C
M
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
they
had
they
had.
You
know
from
their
previous
sign
or
their
existing
sign.
I
think
they
have
it
in
gold
and
they
they
had
mentioned.
They
want
to.
I
M
Yeah
I
mean
if
the
white
on
white,
you
know,
I
think,
would
would
look
good
because
it's
spaced
off
it's
going
to
create
a
nice
shadow,
so
you'll
you'll.
Definitely,
you
know
see
the
the
you
know
the
element
and
I
think
it
would
look
nice,
and
actually
you
know
if,
if
the
committee
agrees,
I
would
I
would
like
to
change
that
to
white
myself.
M
A
F
Another
question
is:
what
would
the
decorative
screen
block
element
is?
It
would
be
nice
at
night
if
it
had
a
bit
of
a
glow
because
it
gets
completely
lost
at
night.
Is
there
a
a
way
that
you
could
do
that
clearly,
not
as
bright
as
the
other
elements
of
the
sign,
but
just
something
that
gave
it
a
little
bit
of
so
you
saw
it
a
little
bit
at
night.
M
Yeah,
actually,
I
I
made
a
recommendation
to
the
client
to
to
maybe
have
their
landscaping
person
add
just
a
real
soft
up
light,
so
you
can
actually
see
the
structure
and
the
element,
because
we
mostly
work
with
internal
lighting
and
don't
don't
really
have
the
wealth
of
knowledge
when
it
comes
to
landscape
lighting.
M
A
L
Yes,
they
would
the
sign
ordinance
states.
They
can
only
have
one
main
sign
at
this
location.
E
A
F
I
personally
I'm
having
a
little
difficulty
with
these,
the
graphics
on
the
sign,
the
font
and
the
size
of
the
word
dispensary,
and
I'm
wondering
whether
that's
really
in
our
purview
or
it's
just
the
it's
just
the
sign
that
we
can
look.
We
can
review.
L
You
know,
I
think
it's
in
your
purview
flynn.
Would
you
have
a
better
answer.
I
think
that's
something
you're
supposed
to
look
at
when
analyzing
these
signs,
yeah,
okay,.
F
Some
I'll
you
can
come
back
to
me
later.
B
As
well
not
so
the
overall
size
of
the
sign
is
in
conformance
with
the
sign
code,
so
the
overall
size
is,
as
I
said,
you
can't
reduce
it
or
make
it
smaller,
because
it
is
in
conformance
with
the
sine
code.
You
can
look
at
the
composition
of
the
sign,
but
generally
you
cannot
modify
what
is
being
proposed
in
terms
of
their
corporate
graphic.
B
B
You
can,
if
you
you,
can
make
that
recommendation
to
the
applicant.
But
again,
if
it's
a
corporate
protected
logo,
then
we
can't
modify
it.
F
C
D
Yeah
yeah,
I
drove
around
the
neighborhood
and
looked
around,
and
this
is
an
outlier
in
terms
of
being
a
lighted
sign
in
the
neighborhood.
I
suspect,
as
more
dispensaries
are
infilling
in
there.
This.
This
will
be
a
request
that
we
see
again
and
again,
but
I
concur
that
the
size
of
dispensary
is
overblown
and
the
brand
their
name
and
dab
bar
whatever.
That
is
that
they're
advertising
would
be
better
focus
for
upping
the
scale
on
those
and
downplaying
dispensary
yeah.
F
And
david
another
question:
for
you,
sorry
john,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you
if
you
were
no.
F
B
There
may
be
a
way
to
do
it
as
an
accessory
sign,
but
they
cannot
have
two
main
signs.
So
if
it's
smaller
there
may
be
a
way
to
have
another
sign
on
the
building,
but
generally
that,
as
as
alex
miss
perez
stated,
the
city
is
limited
to
one.
You
know:
commercial
businesses
are
generally
limited
to
one
mean
sign
per
front
yeah.
K
I
you
know,
I
I
thought
tom
desi,
you
might
have
gone
here,
but
it
it.
You
know
when
you
look
at
the
sign
on
the
front
of
the
existing
building
it.
It
has
an
entirely
different
energy
and
a
design
ethos
to
it.
It's
it's
almost
sophisticated
and
there
you
are
in
in
in
sort
of
an
industrial
neighborhood.
K
The
the
sign
that
is
proposed
seems
to
be
a
world
of
different
in
terms
of
the
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
be
a
wash
and
light
you've
got
three
different
fonts
going
on
each
one
kind
of
trying
to
outdo
the
one
next
to
it.
I
think
that
perhaps
the
saving
grace
is
the
fact
that
it
has
introduced
the
architectural
element,
the
grill
pattern.
I
think,
if
it
were
done
in
a
metallic,
it
would
be
kind
of
disaster,
overly
glitzy.
K
But
I
think
if
it
is
white,
it
certainly
would
help
and
then
then
the
issue
is
the
size
and
the
color
and
the
dissonance
between
the
three,
the
oasis,
dispensary
and
dab
bar.
That,
I
think,
needs
to
be
addressed.
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
a
motion
from
somebody.
F
F
I'd
like
to
see
the
font
sizes
adjusted
and
maybe
the
font
types
adjusted
and
that
the
emphasis
be
oasis
and
not
dispensary
and,
as
remember
walsh
said,
the
difference
between
the
sign
on
the
building
has
a
sophistication,
and
this
one
lacks
it.
And
so
I'd
like
to
see,
even
though
it's
in
kind
of
an
outlier
area,
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
better
consistency
with
the
original
intent
of
the
signage.
F
K
A
All
in
favor
all
right
closed.
Okay,
we
have
decided
to
bring
this
back
to
us
at
a
future
meeting
with
the
comments
that
the
committee
has
made.
I
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
item
number
four
destination:
ramon
llc
for
a
pre-application
review
for
the
redevelopment
of
a
pad
site
to
include
the
demolition
of
an
existing
building
for
the
construction
of
two
quick
service.
Restaurants
with
drive-throughs
located
in
the
walmart
shopping
center
on
east
ramon
road
and
just
before
we
get
the
staff
report
is
all
we
are
doing
today,
as
a
committee
is
making
comments
to
the
applicant
in
advance
of
their
making
their
actual
submittal
to
for
approval.
A
So
this
is
just
a
a
where
we're
giving
them
some
help
with
with
suggestions
on
what
we
would
like
to
see
when
this
comes
in
for
the
for
the
actual
submittal.
So
could
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please.
N
Thank
you
chair.
So
this
request
is
by
destination.
Ramon,
as
you
mentioned,
is
the
shopping
center
that
contains
the
walmart
there's
the
former
office
depot
building
that
will
be
demolished.
There's
a
del
taco
and
a
bank
of
america
and
petsmart.
N
So
the
large
property
that
makes
up
the
destination
ramon
site
is
in
this
overall
view,
which
shows
the
commercial
center
of
gene
autry
trail
ramon
road,
the
lows
and
the
home
depot.
So
it
is
a
very
auto
oriented
retail
commercial
center.
N
So
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
to
demolish
the
office
depot
building,
which
is
around
18
000
square
feet,
which
is
in
this
aerial
photograph
and
split
the
lot
into
two
to
allow
two
separate
quick
service:
restaurants
with
drive-throughs,
one
will
be
starbucks
and
the
other
one
will
be
raising
canes
and
the
the
graphics
that
have
been
handed
to
the
the
arctic
advisory
committee
includes
this
drawing
and
then
also
a
site
plan.
N
So
in
this
drawing
you'll
see,
the
raising
canes
is
on
the
west
side
or
the
left,
and
the
starbucks
is
in
the
center
of
the
slide.
Raising
canes
is
proposed
to
be.
N
One
hundred
ninety
eight
square
feet
legal
story,
building
placed
in
the
western
edge
you'll
see
that
it
has
a
double
drive
through
that
enters
off
of
when
you
come
into
the
site.
You
come
off
of
the
internal
streets
of
the
shopping
center
and
into
both
of
these
sites.
Raising
kane
will
discuss
their
operations
of
the
double
drive-through
and
why
that's
needed
so
in
this
iteration
it
shows
two
drive-through
lanes,
one
that
will
go
against
the
building
and
then
there's
an
outer
lane
that
will
describe
how
that
operates
in
just
a
minute.
N
So
you'll
see
that
the
building
is
at
the
corner
of
of
gene
autry
and
san
luis
ray
drive,
and
then
the
starbucks
is
between
the
raising
canes
and
the
del
taco,
the
landscape
plan.
As
you
know,
the
site
out
there
is
been
landscaped
with
mature
trees
that
some
will
be
removed
and
reused.
N
What
I
want
to
show
you
in
this
picture
this
slide
when
the
application
first
came
in,
and
you
don't
have
this
in
your
packet,
so
this
is
new
to
see
they
submitted
an
application
with
a
double
drive
through
that
merged
into
one
lane.
So
I'll
flip
back.
So
you
can
see.
N
This
is
what
after
staff
had
worked
with
them.
They
revised
it
to
add
the
outer
lane
in
this
slide,
and
then
this
was
the
original
submission.
N
So
when
the
they
submitted
this
to
staff,
we
we
felt
that
it's
a
very
prominent
corner
and
needed
an
anchor
some
sort
of
anchor
to
the
to
the
the
two
streets,
major
thoroughfares
there
and
the
second
iteration.
N
They
did
move
the
building
towards
the
street
to
anchor
the
corner,
and
then
they
added
the
second
drive-through
lane
staff
feels
that
this
is
a
very
auto-centric
design.
We
think
that
it's
an
appropriate
plate,
the
location
for
to
drive
through
restaurants.
However,
we
want
to
soften
a
little
bit
and
staff
could
support
a
one
drive-through
on
the
site
and
raising
kings.
We'll
discuss
this
in
just
a
minute.
N
So,
as
I
said,
there's
a
this
exhibit
shows
the
existing
mature
trees
that
are
out
there
that
will
be
removed,
they're
the
ones
with
the
x's
on
them
the
circles,
and
then
the
landscape
plan
shows
a
variety
of
different
types
of
plants
that
are
currently
in
the
site
and
will
be
used
throughout
the
proposed
development.
N
So
the
raising
canes
is
a
is
vertical.
I'm
sorry,
horizontal
elements,
it's
finished
on
all
four
sides:
I
they
have
an
outdoor
seating
area.
This
is
their
their
corporate
design.
N
We've
asked
them
to
take
the
signage
off
the
building,
because
signage
will
come
back
to
the
planning
commission
or
we'll
evaluate
it
against
the
sign
program,
and
if
they,
if
this,
if
the
signage
does
not
cohere
to
the
sign
program,
it
will
come
back
to
the
aec
and
on
to
the
planning
commission
for
final
review.
So
we're
not
really
discussing
about
signage
today,
but
I
want
to
just
say
that
we
had
them
to
remove
the
signs.
N
Other
elements
that
staff
is
concerned
about
is
the
the
rear
elevation
which
faces
the
street.
The
corner
staff
wanted
them
to
sort
of
make
it
look
more
like
a
front
or,
if
possible,
flip
the
building
and
if
they
can't
flip
the
building,
they
make
this
back
side,
which
is
the
back
of
the
house
more
interesting.
N
The
height
of
the
building
is
19
feet,
so
it's
within
what
the
zoning
code
allows.
I
would
like
to
mention
that
there
are
lights
on
the
building
that
they
we've
discussed
with
the
applicant,
and
I
think
that
they're
willing
to
work
with
us.
There
are
also
lights
that
run
on
the
up
in
the
eaves
that
will
splash
light
onto
the
building
at
night.
N
In
in
this,
north
elevation
is
the
rear
elevation
that
I
was
discussing.
That
would
need
to
have.
Can
we
make
that
look
more
interesting,
they've
also
added
canopies
over
all
the
windows,
especially
the
west,
facing
windows.
We
know
it
can
get
windy
and
and
very
bright
and
sunny
there,
so
they
have
a
series
of
3d
renderings
of
what
the
building
will
look
like,
and
I
can
go
through
these.
N
This
is
the
side
that
faces
the
street
the
rear,
so
it's
double
doors
and
the
proposed
dumpster
will
be
off
to
the
right
of
this
photograph
building
materials.
There's
a
red
metal
panel
for
a
number
one
which
is
their
element
and
their
design
element.
They'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
brick,
stucco,
metal.
N
And
I
included
the
internal
floor
plan,
so
you
could
see
how
the
internal
workings
of
the
restaurant
work
with
the
dining
room,
the
outdoor
patio
seating
and
then
the
the
kitchen
in
the
back
of
house
operations,
also
a
roof
plan.
So
you
can
see
how
the
restaurant
will
vent
food,
preparation,
air
conditioning
and
so
on,
and
then
also
the
dumpster
detail,
showing
it's
a
cmu
block.
It's
fully
enclosed.
It
has
a
roof
on
it
and
then
doors
that
open
for
trash
removal.
N
Moving
on
to
the
starbucks
building,
when
starbucks
first
came
in
the
they
had
a
design
that
was
all
clad
in
the
sort
of
wood,
dark
clay,
tiles
that
are
shown
here
in
the
starbucks.
So
they
revised
it
to
add
more
stucco
elements
and
make
it
more
interesting.
So
we'll
flip
through
these
slides,
which
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
one
element
that
needs
to
be
discussed
is
the
both
of
these
drive-throughs
need
a
four-foot
tall
wall
to
shield
the
parking
in
the
cars.
N
So
that's
one
thing
that
we
will
not
be
discussing
today,
but
they
do
need
to
provide
that,
and
this
is
the
side
that
does
face
ramon
road,
that
you'll
be
visible,
but
of
course,
in
this
photograph,
there's
not
the
screen
wall,
and
this
is
the
side
that
faces
the
parking
lot
and
will
be
the
entrance
and
the
starbucks
is
2200
square
feet,
single
story
with
a
maximum
height
of
20
feet,
the
materials
starbucks
green
for
colors,
tans,
the
wood,
stone,
cedar,
veneer,
corrugated,
metal
and
other
concrete
and
stucco
elements.
N
N
One
concern
that
staff
had
was
how
to
connect
this
bus,
stop
which
is
very
busy
to
the
site
and
they
have
provided
a
pedestrian
connection
that
goes
from
the
sidewalk
into
the
development
to
provide
access.
Also,
they
provided
access
into
the
rest
of
the
shopping
center,
so
you
could
park
in
the
walmart's
lot
and
walk
over
these
properties,
so
just
some
photographs
of.
What's
currently
there,
the
mature
landscaping,
so
the
drive-throughs
will
be
pushed
out
almost
to
where
these
trees
palm
trees
are
now
more
views
of
what's
currently
there.
N
N
N
So
the
aac
may
want
to
take
these
individually
talk
about
them,
the
starbucks
one
in
one
discussion
and
then
the
raising
kings
in
another.
If
you
so
choose
to
do
that
so
chair
that
ends
my
report
and
the
applications.
N
The
part
of
the
review
process
is
to
split
the
lot,
so
it
would
be
a
parcel
map
waiver,
and
that
requires
you
know
a
certain
process.
N
A
Okay,
any
questions
of
staff
from
committee
members.
A
A
C
My
name
is
stan
rothbard,
I'm
the
owner
and
original
developer
of
the
shopping
center
affectionate
fertility
destination,
which
is
the
walmart
anchor
shopping
center
on
ramon
avenue
at
st
louis
ray
we're
pleased
to
present
to
this
body
our
new
google
for
destination
ramone.
It
was
approximately.
It
was
over
15
years
ago
that
we
first
appeared
before
before
an
architectural
committee
of
the
city
of
palm
springs
when,
when
the
project
was
first
initiated
from
that
collaboration,
we
developed
a
project
that
that
still
receives
accolades
for
its
design.
C
Should
I
adjust
my
screen,
I'm
not
sure
you're,
great
dan,
okay,
we
received
accolades
for
its
design,
its
architecture
and
its
landscaping.
C
We
look
forward
to
continuing
that
cooperative
effort.
We
are
experiencing
a
dramatic
shift
in
the
retail
sector.
Customers
are
now
not
making
the
kind
of
in-store
purchases
that
they
used
to
and
they're
making
those
purchases
via
the
internet
as
a
result
we're
seeing
a
severe
downsizing
of
brick-and-mortar
operations.
That's
what
happened
at
office
depot!
It
closed
down
new
closed
or
is
closing
down
numerous
locations.
C
C
C
A
A
C
O
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity.
Typically,
we
have
you
know
a
short
powerpoint
slideshow
to
to
give
to
any
board
or
commission
that
we're
speaking
with
just
to
kind
of
give
a
quick
snapshot
of
who
raising
keynes
is
and
where
we
came
from.
I
won't
go
into
a
whole
lot
of
detail,
but
we
started
in
1996
in
baton,
rouge
louisiana
and
our
founder
todd
graves
is
still
a
very
integral
part
of
our
community
and
our
crew
and
everything
we
do.
O
I
will
kind
of
reference
a
little
bit
of
of
what
we've
all
dealt
with
since
march
and
the
fluidity
of
our
worlds.
You
know
the
first
week
that
this
all
happened
and
everything
went
on
lockdown.
If
you
will,
he
been
having
weekly
all
company
calls
and
that's
everyone,
coordinators
and
above
and
so
forth,
and
just
anyone
that
works
in
any
of
the
offices
and
managers
and
the
very
first
thing
he
said
to
a
lot
of
us,
because
everyone
was
very
worried.
O
O
We
sell
four
things
and
we
do
it
very
well.
One
love
is
our
is
our
our
tag
and
one
love
is
chicken
fingers.
We
do
chicken
fingers,
crinkle,
fries,
coleslaw
and
texas
toast
we
have
fresh
squeezed
lemonade
and
sweet
tea
if
you're
a
fan
of
either
of
those.
I
know
it's
fresh
squeezed
because
I
have
squeezed
the
lemons
when
I
said
my
my
title:
property
development
manager,
frank
cashier,
that's
true!
Every
one
of
us
that
works
at
raising
canes
all
20,
something
thousand
are
all
certified
fry
clicks
in
cashiers.
O
Every
year
we
go
back
if
we
work
in
the
offices,
because
todd
wants
us
to
all
be
ready
to
lock
the
doors
and
go
help
at
any
restaurant
at
any
time.
Raising
kings
is
very
involved
in
every
community.
We're
a
part
of
and
palm
springs
would
be
no
different.
We're
very
excited
about
being
a
part
of
the
palm
springs
community
and
before
our
crew
even
opens
the
doors
all
crew
members
volunteer
in
the
community
of
the
community
organization
of
the
choice.
O
O
I
I
know
it's
a
little
more
than
you
probably
wanted
to
know,
but
I
do
want
to.
I
did
want
to
let
you
know
who
we
are
and
what
we
stand
for
and
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
in
front
of
you
this
evening
for
your
consideration.
A
Thank
you
christian.
I
think
it
might
make
sense
for
the
committee
to
concentrate
right
now,
just
on
the
raising
cane
portion
of
this
project
and
since
we
have
kristin
with
us
now,
let's,
let's
see,
if
there's
any
committee
questions
specifically
for
just
this
portion
of
the
of
the
project.
I
O
Well,
it
was
considered
and
just
given
the
the
experience
of
what
we're
working
within.
Unfortunately,
that's.
O
Now
we've
had
some
serious
cell
tower
issues.
I
don't
know
if
it's
out
there
as
well,
but
this
whole
area
lost
at
everyone.
You
name
it
so
unfortunately,
so
I
apologize.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
you're
doing
fine.
Now,
okay,
I
just
leaned
closer
to
my
laptop
technology
at
its
best
right
now.
All
right!
Thank
you.
Please
do.
Let
me
know
the
way
the
site
is
currently
laid
out
that
wouldn't
be
feasible,
given
the
location
of
the
dumpster
and
the
corral
in
the
back.
O
I
O
Correct-
and
that
is
that
would
be
a
consideration,
but
at
this
juncture
we
would
need
to
take
that
back
to
our
design
team
to
take
a
look
at.
We
understand
that
view.
It's
absolutely
beautiful.
I've
been
there,
so
if
that
is,
is
something
we're
happy
to
to
take
a
look
at
that
as
well.
But
the
way
the
site
is
laid
out
is
is
how
we've
worked
with
staff
and
and
presented
it
at
this
time.
A
K
Walsh,
kristen,
I
think
the
a
real
operational
question
for
us
is
a
the
the
double
line.
It
sounds
like
your.
Your
first
application
was
for
a
single
line,
and
I
just
I
cannot
jog
my
memory
and
think
where
I
have
seen
that
before
is
that
your
standard
design
rollout
to
have
two
drive
up
service
lines.
O
A
great
question,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
started
doing
with
all
our
sites
and
we're
actually
even
going
back
to
sites
that
are
currently
in
in
the
same
level
of
consideration,
we're
actually
using
that
as
a
escape
lane.
What
it's
not
necessarily
identified
here-
and
that
is-
is
our
doing,
but
once
the
cars
and
you've
probably
seen
it
where
the
cars
do
do,
do
a
the
two
lanes
each
order
and
then
merge
into
one.
So
the
pickup
is
at
the
window,
so
that
second
lane
is
considered
an
escape
lane.
O
In
case
someone
does
not
want
to
wait,
they
need
to
go
get
inside
to
take
toddlers
to
you
know
where
just
anything
like
that,
so
that
second
lane
would
be
used
as
an
escape
lane,
as
it's
called
in
the
industry.
K
A
J
Yeah,
I'm
wondering
we've
got
a
couple
questions
wondering
why
the
buildings
need
to
be
this
height,
like
20,
foot,
nine
and
a
half
for
the
starbucks,
and
then
the
other
was
19
changed
or
are
we
just
staying
on
breaking
cane?
For
now.
J
Yeah,
that's
right,
the
they
seem
seem
quite
a
bit
taller
than
maybe
they
need
to
be.
There.
O
Actually,
these
are
our
standard,
elevations
company-wide.
They
I'm
not
sure
that
if
it
was
an
office
depot,
I'm
not
sure
how
high
that
is,
but
I
do
know
we're
substantially
lower
than
that.
The
a
lot
of
these
are
architectural
elements
that
make
it
that
tall
and
the
screening,
if
you
will
of
any
of
our
roof
equipment,
is
a
lot
of
that
element
as
well.
F
O
O
However,
the
elevations
are
standard,
and
I
understand
we're
not
talking
of
signage
today,
that's
not
under
consideration,
but
the
signage
really
also
does
bring
another
element
to
it
specific
to
our
brand,
but
these
are
indeed
our
standard,
prototypical
materials
and
colors
and
layout
on
our
enhanced
patio
and
so
forth.
Yes,
sir.
F
And
just
a
question
because
brick
is
not
really
a
common
material
you
find
in
the
desert.
Is
that
something
you
might
consider
changing
for
this.
F
Okay,
a
question
on
the
drive
through
elevation,
and
maybe
this
was
part
of
the
signs
that
were
removed,
you'll
see
between
the
two
windows,
the
drive
up.
It
looks
like
the
toward
the
rear
of
the
of
the
elevation.
There's
there
currently
there's
a
3d
image
up,
but
there's
a
bar.
It
looks
like
a
bar
light
that
projects
off
the
building
you're
jumping
around
this
is
the
drive-through
elevation.
So
I
think
it's
yeah.
No,
then
another
elevation,
the
other
sheet.
F
Yes,
so
between
the
two
drive-through
windows.
F
Yeah
is
that
a
is
that
a
lighting
fixture
for
signage
or
for
yes,
sir
eye
vise,
yes,
okay
and
then
on
the
elevation
above
that
there's
four
x's
up
near
in
the
parapet
area.
What
is
that.
F
That's
the
building
number.
I
see
yes,
okay,
all
right,
I
don't
have.
A
D
Yeah
I
wanted
to
I
understand
you
were
probably
fairly
set
in
the
layout
and
the
operations
back
of
house
area,
your
trash
area,
just
so
that
you
understand
the
wind
patterns
here,
your
outdoor
dining
is
downwind
from
the
trash,
so
you
you'll
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is,
you
know
well,
the
enclosure
is,
is
very
solid
and
you're
not
going
to
get
a
lot
of
aroma
coming
down
for
people
to
take.
D
And
you
know,
I
appreciate
your
comment
of
wanting
to
be
part
of
the
community
and
very
engaging
and
and
donations,
and
all
that
about
the
brick
is
appropriate.
It's
not
really
something
that
there's
much
of
in
the
area,
so
maybe
trying
to
bring
the
building
into
a
sense
of
community
and
maybe
not
being
so
rigid
with
all
of
your
corporate
levels
of
lighting
and
fixtures
and
pieces
that
that
are
so
standard
might
be
greatly
appreciated
by
the
community.
A
O
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
you
know
you
you
mentioned
when
the
brick
was
mentioned.
You
said
you
could
take
it
back
to
the
design
team,
and
so
that's
a
fine
answer
at
this
point.
I
don't
want
to
dictate
where,
where
you
go
with
it.
D
A
I
think
that
the
overall
shopping
center
every
single
building
has
the
same
stone
on
the
building.
That's
used
as
an
accent
stone,
so
that
makes
a
cohesive
cohesiveness.
A
A
I
would
love
that
the
building
could
flip
top
to
bottom
so
that
the
trash
enclosure
were
down
on
the
south
end
of
the
project
and
your
outdoor
eating
was
more
towards
the
north
end.
It
would
it
would
present
a
much
more
attractive,
facade
and
introduction
to
the
to
the
building
to
people
on
both
ramon
road
and
san
louis
ray
drive
right,
and
my
other
question
is
in
the
parking
lot
in
this
running
down.
The
center
of
the
lot
is
a
row,
a
single
loaded
row
of
parking
spaces.
O
And
and
again
you
know
that
is
something
that
keynes
would
consider.
We
would
definitely
need
to
work
with
stan
on
on
that
scheduling
and
such,
but
you
know
I
don't
mean
to
keep
throwing
it
back
to
the
raising
kings
design
team,
but
that
is
all
something
that
they
would
need
to
take.
A
look
at
this
has
gone
through
our
founder
and,
like
I
mentioned,
he's
very
involved
and
it
went
through
our
design
review
committee
internally.
So
if
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
look
at,
we
absolutely
can.
O
However,
we
you
know
have
spent
a
substantial
amount
of
time
on
this
one,
but
I
do
understand
your
your
thoughts.
Well,.
A
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
unique
here
in
palm
springs
is
the
shopping.
Centers
and
developments
don't
have
just
a
massive,
uninterrupted
sea
of
concrete.
We
require
landscaping
and
separation
and
trees
for
shade,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
makes
these
large
shopping
centers
much
more
attractive
here
in
palm
springs
than
you'd
find
in
most
other
cities.
A
So
I
think
if
your
design
team
can
keep
that
as
part
of
their
direction,
I
think
it
it
will
tie
the
whole
project
better
into
the
existing
center
because,
as
as
the
developer
said
stan
pointed
out,
this
is
a
very
for
the
sorts
of
stores
that
are
here.
Architecturally,
it's
a
very
nice
center
and
the
landscaping
is
is
very
nice.
I
can
certainly
understand
and
appreciate
that
these
two
smaller
buildings
really
are
softening
that
whole
center
now
by
getting
rid
of
that
massive
office
depot
store.
O
Sure,
definitely
understood
and
and
like
I
meant
to
know
I'll
get
with
after
this.
However,
the
result
is,
you
know,
we
would
definitely
take
those
comments
back
and
discuss
with
stan
our
our
approach
when
we
we
do
indeed
resubmit.
J
I
did,
but
I
have
one
more
you
know
I'll
save
it
for
our
discussion.
A
N
We're
waiting
for
mr
fr
frogallala
he's
the
starbucks
architect,
oh
from
urban
urban,
well,
architects.
P
Hello:
everybody
sorry
about
that
also
mute.
My
name
is
michael
and
I'm
the
architect
of
record
here
for
starbucks,
mostly
involved
with
the
socal
arizona
and
hawaii
stores.
Sorry
we're
having
difficulties
with
data
for
some
odd
reason
today,
where
most
of
our
phones
are
voice
over
ip
and
it
seems
like
t-mobile.
P
So
this
is
a
2200
square
foot
starbucks
location
in
in
palm
springs.
This
is
a
standalone
drive-through
with
a
cafe
type
of
setup
here,
obviously
outdoor
space,
and
we
seem
to
have
a
fairly
generous
drive-through
stack
here.
We
try,
as
far
as
I
can
start
with
the
drive-through
component,
a
little
bit
and
then
I'll.
Let
stan
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
architecture,
as
that
was
mostly
developed
by
the
landlord's
architect
and
not
by
us.
P
So
as
far
as
drive-through
stack
goes,
we
typically
like
to
have
our
drive-through
order
point
closer
to
the
tail
of
the
drive-through
stack
and
at
this
location
I
believe
we
have
it
at
car
stack
number
seven
from
the
order
from
the
pickup
window
and
we
have
a
pre
menu
at
car
number.
Eight
reason
we
like
to
do
that
is
usually
the
the
more
stack
we
have
between
the
order
point
and
pickup.
P
It
essentially
speeds
up
the
you
know
the
the
order,
processing
and
you
know,
speeds
up
the
process
a
bit
in
this
location.
P
We
think
this
store
will
be
more
of
a
neighborhood
location,
so
we're
thinking
it's
probably
going
to
end
up
being
about
a
50
50,
so
50
going
out
the
window
and
another
50
percent
through
the
cafe
and
outdoor
seating
space
2200
square
feet
typically
will
allow
for
about
a
thousand
square
feet
of
indoor
seating
and
then
usually
300
to
400
square
feet
of
outdoor
seating
and
obviously
the
the
drive-through
component
here,
the
architectural
rec,
the
architectural
language
that
was
introduced
here
by
stan's
team
seems
to
fit
well
with
what
starbucks
obviously
stands,
for
we
try
to
use
raw
materials,
more
earth
tones
and
more
on
the
warmth,
warm
colors
as
well,
whether
it's
inside
the
cafe
or
outside
and
as
we
get
closer
to
developing
the
in
the
interior
space
of
this
cafe,
we
will
try
to
introduce
some
of
those
outdoor
materials
that
you
see
there
into
the
space.
P
So
it
feels
this
one
coherent,
architectural
design,
language.
Here
I
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
to
say
here
about
this
is
fairly
standard
size
type
of
drive-through,
cafe
2200
square
feet,
so
I'm
open
to
any
and
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
guys
may
have,
but
I
would
let
stan
essentially
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
exterior
architecture
and
how
this
was.
This
has
come
to
be.
A
Thank
you,
michael
committee,
questions
for
the.
A
A
A
Yes,
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
stan.
C
There's
clearly
the
opportunity:
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
good
circulation
for
cars
coming
in
and
going
out,
but
we
certainly
will
take
a
look
at
it.
Thank.
A
P
Just
a
quick
point
to
the
stand,
as
you
know,
starbucks,
specifically,
they
run
on
rush
hours.
So
we
do
have
you
know
a
couple
of
hours
usually
in
the
morning,
and
a
couple
of
hours,
usually
in
the
evening
that
we
are
being
over
parked,
is
usually
a
positive
thing.
As
you
know,
the
influx
of
of
customers
that
we
will
get
during
those
hours.
P
I
would
strongly
recommend
that
we
do
have
the
extra
parking
stalls
just
to
mitigate
those
issues
and
having
also
the
the
overflow
sometimes
in
the
morning
hours
having
an
eight
car
stack
sometimes
is
not
enough,
and
so
you
would
have
people
that
would
park,
and
you
know
try
to
utilize
the
cafe
space.
So
I
would
lean
more
towards
try
to
maintain
them,
but
again
I'll
leave
that
you
know
decision
to
you
and
and
the
board.
C
A
And
stan,
I
don't
know
if
this
comment
is
for
you
or
the
architects,
but
when
you
come
back
with
the
actual
submittal,
I
think
it'd
be
really
helpful.
If
you
continued
the
drawing
of
the
site
plan
into
the
taco
bell
site
enough
that
we
can
see
how
these
driveways
interact
with
each
other
and
the
same
thing
on
the
south
side,
if
you
could
continue
the
drawing
to
include
at
least
the
first
group
of
landscape
bays
on
the
walmart
side
of
that
road,
it
would
help
us
understand
how
this
relates
to
the
overall
site.
A
Any
other
questions
of
of
of
the
applicant
john
walsh.
Do
you
have
anything.
A
No
okay,
well,
thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
we
will
have
a
discussion
now
and
our
goal
is
to
just
give
you
some
direction
so
that
when
you
come
with
your
actual
submittal,
hopefully
it
can
get
through
quickly
because
you've
already
had
some
advice
and
and
some
direction
from
us.
So
thank
you
all
for
participating
committee
who
wants
to
have
the
first
comments.
J
J
Okay,
so
that's
page
three
of
of
the
second
document
ld
1.0.
C
J
Is
roof
the
roof
height?
The
initial
response
from
the
woman
presenting.
J
C
J
Seemed
to
indicate
that
this
was
kind
of
just
a
standard
plan,
and
so
I'm
sure
it's
smaller
than
office
depot
was.
C
E
E
You
know:
they've
got
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
shape
site
here
with
san
luis
rey
drive
the
way
it
is,
but
then
everything
has
been
set
up
perpendicular
to
like
a
north-south,
and
I
think
there's
some
flexibility
to
in
that
site
plan
to
eliminate
some
of
the
hardscape
and
get
a
larger
landscape
buffer
around
the.
D
Let's
see
so
I
I
appreciate
what
stan
was
saying
that
the
project
has
gotten
accolades
and
I
think
it's
a
good
looking
project
the
existing
office
depot
building,
even
though
you're
looking
at
the
back
side
of
it
and
not
the
best
part
at
that
corner
for
that
intersection.
That
is
currently
the
most
attractive
corner.
D
To
I
understand
the
need
to
you
know,
move
on
and
change,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
that
that
corner
keep
a
softness
and
keep
a
nice
look.
The
perimeter
wall
that
we're
unable
to
look
at
today
is
clearly
going
to
be
very
important.
D
Keeping
a
cohesive
look
with
the
rest
of
the
project
of
that
wall
is
important.
There
is
some
elements
of
that
existing
now
the
yeah,
the
the
definitely
screening
of
all
of
this
drive-through
traffic
is
very
important
and
it'll
also
be
happening
at
night
to
make
making
sure
that
there's
enough
height,
that
as
headlights
are
heading
back
into
other
traffic
they're,
not
blinding
drivers
as
they're
coming
through
on
adjacent
roads.
D
Some
of
what
we're
presented
with
today,
I
feel,
is
a
little
heavy-handed
corporate
feel
it's
kind
of
everything
that
they
can
they're.
Throwing
at
us
every
sign
every
light,
every
piece
of
corporate
identity
that
they
have.
You
know
not.
Every
city
accepts
every
bit
of
corporate
identity
that
is
presented
to
them.
D
D
The
specifically
the
starbucks
drive-thru,
looking
at
the
photometric
plan,
is
highly
overlit
and
25-foot.
High
poles
with
unshielded
led
lighting
is
not
a
nice
thing
to
present
to
the
community.
It's
a
busy
road
lots
of
people
drive
by
there.
D
That
could
be
much
better
addressed
in
the
elevations
it
doesn't
show
up,
but
in
the
renderings
it
shows
drive-through
standing
proud
of
the
overhang.
So
you've
got
the
letters
up
above.
D
D
Yeah,
you
know
the
project
it
needs
to
evolve
and
develop,
and
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
so,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
there
is
more
landscaping.
Let's
I
think,
lightening
up
a
bit
of
of
that
corporate
heavy-handedness
would
be
a
nice
thing
to
do
for
the
community
thanks.
I
We
kind
of
talked
about
the
red
brick
on
raising
canes
about
it
doesn't
really
tie
into
the
to
the
desert
or
pretty
much
the
complex,
but
we
didn't
talk
about
the
tile
on
starbucks.
It's
kind
of
the
same
thing.
Really.
I
don't
see
that
tile
element
anywhere
else
in
the
complex,
so
I
just
think
that
maybe
some
something
that
is
already
existing
in
the
complex
if
we're
trying
to
make
it
cohesive
that
should
maybe
something
they
should
look
at
as
well.
K
I
I
just
I'm
sort
of
struck
by
the
it's:
it's
a
wonderful
design
problem,
just
the
site
plan
the
challenge-
and
I
think
in
a
case
like
this
site
plan
and
vehicular
traffic-
is
everything.
You've
got
to
get
it
right
and
if
you
don't
it's,
just
it's
just
not
going
to
work
yeah
it
in
in
looking
at
you
know
the
potential
to
sort
of
flip
it
and
and
to
put
the
outdoor
eating
on
the
north
side
as
opposed
to
the
south
side.
I
think
it's
a
type
of
thing.
K
You
almost
need
to
really
see
and
explore.
I
hope
it's
being
done
somewhere,
where
there
are
in-depth
alternative
site
plans
being
put
on
the
wall
and
discussed
and
critiqued,
because
I
think
until
you
really
go
through
that
exercise
it,
it
will
not
be
quickly
apparent
what
the
best
design
solution
would
be.
Let's
see
what
else?
K
Okay,
just
you
know,
I
go
through
the
elevations
and
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
a
classic
difficult
battle
between
the
need
for
a
client
to
do
marketing
through
their
architecture
and
that
many
times
runs
counter
to
what
looks
best
and
what
fits
in
with
the
particular
community
and
all
of
our
comments
here,
I
I
would
say
whoever
said
it,
because
I
thought
it
was
very
good
about
the
palm
springs.
Centric
the
potential
for
a
palm
springs
centric,
aesthetic
of
some
sort.
There
is
an
ethos
here.
K
There
is
an
opportunity
in
terms
of
the
need
for
shading
for
overhangs
horizontal
proportions
that
if
they
pick
up
and
run
with,
I
think
it
could
be
a
remarkable
architectural
solution
that
they
come
up
with
right
now,
as
I
kind
of
go
through
this,
there
seems
to
be
a
lack
of
cohesion,
just
elevation
to
elevation
the
two
buildings,
both
buildings
and
palm
springs.
I
think
that
there
are
things
both
geometrically
and
in
terms
of
the
materials
that
could
be
much
more
studied
and
I'm
sure
will
be
this.
F
Yeah
well,
I'm
kind
of
in
agreement
with
everything
that's
been
said.
I
think
there
are,
I,
I
think,
the
site
plan,
so
the
site
plans
for
both
restaurants
are
are
not
resolved
completely.
I
mean
I
almost
would
like
to
see
what
it
would
be
like
to
flip
things,
and
you
know
mix
it
up
a
little
bit,
because
it's
not
the
raisin
cane
isn't
taking
advantage
of
the
views
for
their
outdoor
dining,
it's
all
stacking
for
their
for
the
drive-thru.
F
As
you
see
the
corner
and
that's
very
different
than
the
sort
of
feel
of
the
center.
Currently,
I
know
my
own
personal
experience
with
starbucks
starbucks.
They
talked
about
having
their
order
thing
further
away
from
the
window,
but
I've
been
in
many
starbucks
here
where
you're
you're
stacked
well
into
the
parking
lot,
because
people
are
trying
to
place
their
order
and
it
doesn't
work,
and
I
think,
there's
way
too
much
asphalt
to
tom
jaquay's
comment.
F
I
think
there's
way
too
much
asphalt,
so
I
think
there's
huge
issues
with
the
site
plans
that
I
would
like
to
see
looked
at
and
presented
differently
the
buildings,
I
think
also.
I
I
think
there
should
be
some
commonality
between
these
two
new
buildings
and
the
existing
buildings
on
the
on
the
project
and
I
think
they
should
be
appropriate
for
the
desert
and
you
know
yeah.
So
that's
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
A
A
O
It's
because
I'm
in
texas,
I'm
so
far
away
yeah.
No,
I
just
wanted
to
super
quick
and
I
did
not
intend
to
interrupt.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
again.
Your
time
is
is
valuable
and
the
work
you
do
is
wonderful
and
I
appreciate
all
of
your
heart.
That's
in
your
community,
so
thank
you.
A
A
B
Okay,
so
what
you
have
before
you
is
a
minor
architectural
application
for
a
repaint
of
a
storefront
and
new
signage
and
a
window,
the
window
treatment
for
a
dispensary
and
lounge
the
project,
because
it
is
a
cannabis,
dispensary
and
lounge
requires
aac
review
for
both
the
signage,
as
well
as
the
exterior
improvements,
and,
ultimately,
the
city
council
has
to
approve
any
exterior
improvement,
any
exterior
improvements
for
a
dispensary
lounge
facility.
So
that's
why
this
is
before
you.
The
site
is
757
south
williams,
road.
It
is
a
multi-tenant
light.
B
B
The
one
that's
highlighted
in
yellow
is
the
building
that
or
the
portion
of
the
building
that
fronts
williams,
road
and
so,
as
I
said,
it
is
going
to
be
a
dispensary
which
you
see
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen
or
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
a
lounge.
So
the
lobby
is
the
main
entry
off
the
main
entry
here
on
the
bottom.
B
So
these
are,
this
is
an
existing
photograph
of
what
you
see
from
williams
road
right
now.
It
is
currently
two
tenant
spaces.
It
was
a
massage
spa
facility
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
the
south
side
is
currently
vacant.
So
they
are
combining
both
of
these
tenant
spaces
into
one
one
unit
and
what
their
plan
is.
Is
they
intend
to
repaint
the
facade
to
match
the
existing
colors
so
really
to
refresh
the
existing
paint?
B
They
also
intend
to
install
a
non-illuminated
sign
that
is
three
feet
by
11
feet
and,
as
you
see
here,
it
is
proposed
in
a
neon
green
back
back
to
ground,
and
so
here's
an
additional
detail
of
that
sign
proposed
on
the
elevation
staff,
is
recommending
that
the
aac
approve
the
sign
subject
to
revising
the
neon
background
to
a
more
neutral
color.
So
it
is
not
a
bright
and
young
color
that
detracts
from
the
building
architecture,
so
that
would
be
reviewed
by
the
director
of
planning.
B
A
Thank
you
david.
A
comment:
they're
repainting
only
this
one
building
in
the
overall
center,
so
the
colors
basically
are
given
because
they
have
to
match
what
the
rest
of
the
center
that's
not
being
repainted.
Is
that
correct.
A
A
When
the
landscaping
on
a
project
becomes
so
I
don't
know
what
the
word
is
dilapidated.
A
Okay,
questions
of
staff
by
the
committee.
F
Yeah,
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
drive
by
the
building.
Can
you
tell
me
david
what
the
materials
of
the
canopy
is
and
also
the
wall
below
the
canopy
to
the
right
of
the
entry
doors?
Is
it
wood.
I
I
have
one
hey
david:
is
there
any
other
office
space
in
this
complex
with
a
sign
attached
to
the
building
like
this.
B
E
I
have
a
question
david
is
the
proposed
information
on
this
sign?
The
cbd
420
is
that
the
proposed
lettering.
B
From
my
talks
with
the
applicant
they've
said
that
the
final
actual
detail
is
not
yet
known
so
they're
working
on
that
now,
but
generally
this
would
be
the
basic
kind
of
size
and
location
of
it.
And
then
again
the
the
color
is
proposed
to
be
neon.
Staff
is
recommending
a
different
alternative,
so.
B
Sign
to
to
answer
your
question
yet
and
hope,
maybe
the
athlete
can
provide
some
additional
information
on
that.
A
David,
you
mentioned
they're
going
to
be
putting
a
translucent
film
on
the
windows.
Could
the
signage
be
include
incorporated
into
the
window
coverings
so
that
it
doesn't
isn't
placed
in
the
building
like
this.
B
You
can
yeah,
I
mean
you
can
make
that
recommendation,
that
it
should
be
something
that
is
installed
on
the
the
windows
as
opposed
to
the
facade.
Okay,.
I
I
B
B
So,
as
I
said,
the
only
sign
that
signs
that
where
we
have
on
our
records
is
the
monument
sign,
but
this
would
be
the
only
tenant
that
actually
fronts
williams,
road.
All
the
other
tenants
are
really
tucked
behind
behind
this
business.
I
Hi,
my
name
is
brian
and
we
are
developing
24
square
2400
square
feet
of
a
minor
tenant
improvement
and
just
like
david
mentioned
a
while
ago.
These
are
two
units
that
we
are
planning
to
combine
and
it
is
a
dispensary
lounge
and
we
are
not
planning
to
do
any
exterior
changes
on
the
existing
building.
I
But
we
do
intend
to
repaint
the
exterior
walls
and
wood
cladding
to
it
with
its
original
colors
and
to
apply
a
five
foot
high
translucent
film,
on
the
storefront
of
the
building
and
to
install
three
three
foot
wide
by
11
feet:
signage
on
the
front.
We
do
understand
that
the
color
is
a
bit
vibrant
and
we
are
planning
to
do
the
recommendation
of
david
to
change
the
color
to
more
subtle
and
more
befitting
colors
that
will
blend
in
with
the
project
with
that
building.
A
Thank
you
committee.
Any
questions
of
the
applicant.
E
I
have
a
question.
It
looks
like
on
the
sign
detail.
It's
proposed.
The
backing
is
a
5
8
inch
plywood.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
A
I
State
that
the
plywood
would
be
treated
and
to
prevent
rotting
from
the
from
exposure
from
the
elements
so
yeah.
After
that,
the
sign
will
be
applied.
E
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
the
building
itself
has
has
a
nice
competition,
composition
and
the
painting
will
be
an
improvement,
but
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
better
integrate
the
sign.
F
F
It
just
does
not
tie
in
with
what's
going
on
with
the
building.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
relocated
integrated
either
into
the
canopy
or
maybe
into
the
wood
panel
to
the
right
of
the
doors,
something
but
it
just
and
and
again
I
agree
about
the
plywood.
I
mean
I
think
this
is
down
and
dirty
and
cheap,
so
I
think
I
think
they
can
do
better.
I
My
concerns
are
similar.
I
david
mentioned
that
the
sign
hasn't
been
finalized
yet
either
as
far
as
font
or
script.
So
I'm
a
little
concerned
what
we're
actually
would
be
approving
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
plywood-
would
hold
up
to
the
sun
or
the
elements,
and
that
maybe
something
under
that
eve
that
robert
just
mentioned
kind
of
north
of
the
glass
would
be
a
better
location
for
a
sign
and
it'd
be
a
little
bit
more
protected
too,
and
I'd
like
to
see
something
a
little
more.
A
Well,
I
would
echo
those
comments
and
I
would
really
play
up
robert's
comment-
that
the
more
appropriate
location
for
the
sign
is
probably
on
that
wood
clad
wall.
The
sign
could
then
work
within
the
modules
of
the
horizontal
pieces
in
that
wood
wall
and
the
comment
that
it
looks
like
an
emergency
sign
for
the
fire
department
is
totally
correct,
so
I
think
relocate
the
sign
and
and
use
some
different
colors,
and
they
don't
need
an
11
foot
long
sign
to
have
six
foot
long
worth
of
letters.
A
You
know
I
think
the
proportions
can
be
revised
and
the
location
revised
and
the
color
revised.
I
think
the
colors
that
they're
proposing
to
paint
the
building
are
given
they're
matching
the
existing,
and
I
would
ask
that
the
translucent
film
that
they're
putting
on
the
windows
be
continuous
floor
to
ceiling.
I
think
it
would
look
odd
if
it
stops
at
five
feet
unless
there's
some
technical
reason
it
needs
to,
but
I
can't
imagine
that.
F
I
I
move
to
continue
second,
or
do
we
want
to
let
staff
work
with
them?
I
I
don't
know.
A
Well,
I
think
our
comments
are
pretty
definite,
so
I
would
be
comfortable
approving
with
staff
review
of
the
comments
that
we've
made
regarding
location,
size
and
color.
Okay,.
F
All
right,
so
I
move
that
it
be
approved
with
the
comments
we
made
about
the
location
of
the
sign,
the
graphics,
the
color
and
the
material.