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A
D
A
C
B
Commissioner
Friedman
is
at
an
energy
code
workshop
in
the
Los
Angeles
area
and
so
he's
getting
smarter
than
he
already
is
and
we'll
bring
back
good,
we'll
bring
back
good
information.
So,
of
course,
he's
excused.
We
will
call
upon
J
when
he
well.
He
get
he's
here,
but
you
know
J
we're
gonna,
let
you
get
settled
and
and
we'll
circle
we'll
circle
back
to
you
after
presentations.
If
that's,
if
that's,
okay
and
here
your
staff
comments,
is
there
anyone
here
from
another
Commission
to
make
a
report
I'm
not
seeing
that
there
is
oh
I'm?
B
Sorry
Thank
You
vice
chair
Clark,
we
did
not
accept
the
agenda,
let's
back
up
and
do
that
the
agenda
was
posted
last
Thursday
as
per
city
regulations.
I
think
we
can
follow
it
as
as
it
is
listed.
Is
there
a
motion
that
we
accept
the
agenda
as
posted
so
moved
by
Commissioner,
keigher
and
second
from
mr.
Santoro,
all
in
favor
say
those.
A
B
So
no,
no
Commission
reports
at
each
meeting
of
the
sustainability
Commission.
We
allow
for
time
for
the
general
public
to
speak
to
us
on
matters
that
are
related
to
our
general
area
of
responsibility.
There
is
a
three
minute
time
limit.
If
there
is
anyone
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak,
if
you'd
identify
yourself
by
name
and
your
city
of
residence,
and
we
invite
you
to
come
up
to
the
microphone
and
the
chair
and
be
sure
and
push
the
button
so
that
we
can
record,
is
there
anyone
here
for
public
comment?
Yes,
please
come
up.
E
Hello,
good,
okay,
hi
everybody,
I'm
Richard,
Noble
I
am
the
chair
for
the
Riverside
County
climate
reality
project
I
was
a
resident
10
and
a
half
years
here
in
Palm
Springs
I'm.
Now
in
Blyth
and
I
am
really
you
know,
I
never
thought
I
would
find
my
tribe
until
a
couple
months
ago,
I
I
was
accepted
to
be
at
the
three-day
training
at
the
LA.
Convention
Center
was
performed,
Vice
President,
Al
Gore,
and
he
walked
us
through
slide
presentations
on
carbon
pollution.
E
This
this
this
did
these
greenhouse
gases
that
are
causing
global
warming,
and
you
know
the
greenhouse
effect,
we're
all
aware
of
that.
111
million
tons
of
carbon
emissions
being
put
into
our
very
thin
Earth's
atmosphere
every
day
and
we
are
seeing
the
effects
of
it
globally,
from
floods
to
fires,
to
droughts,
to
you
know
the
acidification
of
our
oceans,
where
the
corals
are
being
bleached
and
dying
and
at
40%
right
now,
and
it's
just
it's
it's
a
huge
problem,
so
I'm
coming
I'm
coming
to
speak
to
you
on
behalf
of
the
chapter.
E
It's
it's
suffocating
us,
and
so
that
is
my
first
campaign
and
I
and
I
met
would
like
to
ask
you
for
your
help
in
in
helping
me
with
a
campaign
that
means
signature-gathering.
That
means
building
coalitions
with
community
partners
in
the
great
for
the
greater
Palm
Springs
cities.
Palm
Desert
in
do
etc,
Palm
Springs,
so
we
want
to
get
everybody
on
board
I'd
like
to
call
on
it
on
a
a
climate
reality.
Town,
Hall
and
I
would
like
the
the
sustainability
Commission,
if
possible,
to
sponsor
that
and
I'd.
E
E
So
that's
number
one
number
two
is
obviously
I've,
given
you
a
forum
a
little
bit
about
climate
reality
and
what
the
mission
and
the
goals
of
the
organization
are
and
the
the
stapled
paper
is
an
agreement.
Please
feel
free
to
read
that
agreement
is
an
agreement
that
I
would
like
the
city
to
sign
on
to
and-
and
you
know
the
gore,
the
gore
people
are
very
excited
I'm
working
with
our
team
out
of
Boulder
I.
E
Think
probably
many
of
you
were
here
and
you
saw
the
the
Inconvenient
Truth,
the
sequel
at
Richard's
auditorium
at
Palm,
Springs,
High
School,
that's
it's
a
work
cited
all
the
windmills
to
solar
companies.
Here.
I
think
this
is
a
prime
location.
Am
I
done.
You
have
30
seconds,
Paul
sure
thank
you.
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
jump
so
I'm
beginning
our
relationship
that
other
two
things
are
as
Dylan
to
Hayes
and
his
mom
daaad
Dylan
is
a
15
year
old
from
Seattle.
He
has
created
three
beautiful
movies.
E
One
called
the
tipping
point
about
climate
reality
and
climate
change.
The
other
one
is
about
plastics.
The
other
one
is
is
that
everything
is
connected
and
I
would
like
to
see
if,
if
there
is
a
budget
to
fly
him
down
here
to
present
his
movie
to
all
the
students
at
Palm,
Springs
High
School
in
the
auditorium,
and
had
that
sponsored
by
the
Commission
at
a
budget
of
under
$2,000,
so
I
think
we've
got
what
I
was
saying
committed.
E
We've
got,
the
we've
got
the
climate
movie,
we're
dealing,
it's
really
good,
I
mean
his
dad
does
beautiful
things
with
films,
so
he
could
also
teach
film
I.
Think
that's
three
right.
How
percent
committed
the
Town
Hall
and
the
film
with
Dylan
his
mom,
so
I
look
forward
to
emailing
all
of
you
and
sitting
on
whatever
information
that
you
need
to
advance
our
relationship
and
we
look
forward
to
to
Palm
Springs
becoming
the
first
one
hundred
percent
committed
to
electricity.
That
is
carbon
free.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you
and.
B
E
B
And
out
declare
public
comment
closed
glad
that
all
of
you
are
here
Jay.
If
it's
all
right,
since
we
have
Joel
and
Don
here,
we'll
let
them
make
their
report
and
then
turn
to
you
for
your
staff
report
is
that
okay,
gentlemen
and
pull
up
an
extra
chair,
please
gosh,
ood
I
thought
the
city
might
have
bought
one
more
chair
so
that
you
would
have
have
have
a
spot.
B
We
invited
Joel
and
Don
to
come
and
speak
to
us.
Perhaps
many
of
you
know
about
the
Indian
Canyon
to
a
conversion
and
I
know
that
some
subcommittees
from
1ps
have
have
heard
those
reports,
but
I
know
that
sustainability
is
interested
in
in
it
for,
for
perhaps
other
additional
reasons,
and
so
we're
happy
to
hear
from
you
and
know
that
you
guys
are
launching
it
into
this.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
F
Okay,
so
here
on
the
screen,
we
have
our
Indian
Canyon
two-way
project.
If
you
notice
the
part
in
blue,
that's
the
part
that
will
be
turned
from
one
way
to
two
way.
So
that's
between
Alejo
and
Camino
Paris
Ella.
We
are
going
to
change
that
to
where
we
have
two
northbound
traffic
lanes
going
north.
If
you
can
see
in
green
in
that
diagram
and
then
we
in
white,
you
have
a
center
turn
lane,
so
you
can
turn
left
into
either
either
side
of
the
street,
and
then
we
have
in
blue
the
one
southbound
lane.
F
That
also
includes
the
bike
language
sharrows,
and
if
you
notice,
the
width
of
the
street
still
maintains
parking
on
both
sides
and
then
at
every
signalized
intersection,
so
the
numbers
1
through
11.
If
you
look
on
the
side,
those
are
the
signalized
intersections.
They
will
all
be
converted
so
that
you
can
now
make
a
left
turn
to
southbound
Indian
Canyon.
So
if
you
don't
this
on
the
bottom,
if
it
says
figure,
1
alternative
number
1,
there
was
a
bunch
of
studies
that
were
done.
F
As
far
as
pedestrian
safety
enhancements,
I
think
this
is
more
what
our
sustainability
Commission
is
concerned
about,
as
as
part
of
the
grant
that
we
got
from
see
vague.
We
proposed
countermeasures
that
would
help
pedestrians
get
Indian
Canyon,
and
that
was
you
know
instead
of
words,
I
put
pictures
up
here,
and
so
that
included
the
countdown
heads,
pedestrian,
crosswalk,
I,
guess
what
we
call
it
detection.
So
in
order
to
detect
pedestrians
while
they're
crossing
the
street,
the
next
I'm
kind
of
going
clockwise.
F
Here
we
have
a
handicap-accessible
push
buttons
at
every
intersection
and
then
on
the
lower
left.
We
have
high
visibility
crosswalks
as
well
as
curb
bump
outs,
so
that
would
shorten
the
time
it
takes
to
cross
a
crosswalk,
and
then
we
also
have
dedicated
protected
left
turns.
So
that
would
help
with
the
preventing
cars
from
turning
when
pedestrians
are
trying
to
cross
the
street.
G
For
the
the
project
was,
and
in
August
we
got
the
cost
estimate
from
the
contractor,
or
we
got
the
bids
in
and
the
lowest
bid
was
for
four
point:
four:
six
million
dollars
for
this
particular
project.
The
the
funding
for
this
project
came
from
various
sources.
There's
two
seabag
grants.
One
was
for
two
million
dollars:
it
was
a
sea
bag,
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety
grant
see
if
egg
also
gave
money
for
the
two-week
conversion.
At
one
point:
five
million
sb1
funds
which
right
now
I
believe
it's
a
measures
that
they're
trying
to
repeal
it.
G
G
It's
a
tricky
project
because
we
have
170
days
to
complete
the
project,
but
right
now,
there's
only
one
outfit
in
the
United
States
that
provides
poles.
The
actual
poles
have
about
a
20
plus
week
lead
time
so
by
the
time
I
don't
know.
If
anybody's
seen,
the
construction
is
happening
out
there
they're
actually
potholing,
trying
to
determine
you
know
if
it's
safe
to
put
these
bigger
math
polls
in
the
street
so
as
they're
doing
that
they
uncovered
certain
areas
where
there
were
some
conflicts
or
they're
adjusting
the
design.
G
Well,
once
all
the
potholing
is
done
and
they're
cleared,
it's
gonna
take
about
20
weeks
to
receive
these
polls,
so
that
kind
of
puts
the
construction
at
the
polls
coming
in
by
like
April
approximately
so
it's
and
so
that
there
there's
a
struggle
right
now.
Whether
we
want
to
do
all
the
other,
smaller
improvements
right
now
or
you
know,
try
to
postpone
them
so
we're
in
discussions
right
now
as
to
how
exactly
we're
going
to
proceed
with
the
construction
of
the
project.
G
B
G
F
It
it
kind
of
works
like
fast
vehicle,
preamps
or
bus
or
emergency
vehicle
preemptions,
meaning
that,
similarly,
when
an
ambulance
or
fire
truck,
you
know
drives
to
an
intersection,
they
might
get
an
additional
five
seconds
of
time
so
that
they
can
get
through
the
intersection.
So
what
the
pedestrian
detection
does
is
that,
like
you
know,
if
you
have
somebody
that
may
be
a
slower
Walker
that
is
still
in
the
crosswalk?
D
F
Would
be
the
first
that
we're
trying
there
was
a
city
of
North
that
used
as
them
a
lot
I
think
it
was
the
city
of
San
Jose.
They
use
it
a
lot
and
they
really
liked
the
technology.
It's
an
older
technology,
but
it's
reliable,
and
so
we
did
some
research
on
that
and
we're
gonna
try
it
here
with
this
Indian
Canyon
project.
So.
H
G
H
H
F
Quite
a
three
week
cuz
he
got
five
legs.
It
does
behave
a
lot
like
a
three-way,
stop
like
a
t-intersection,
but
it's
not
an
easy
answer
for
you,
but
if
it
helps
you
understand
it
a
little
better
yeah
cuz,
there's
five
entry.
H
F
F
B
I
Goines
I
also
had
two
questions,
so
the
the
corner
they
are
just
south
of
Ramon
with
the
five-way
intersection,
is
going
to
basically
be,
as
we
see
it
in
that
drawing
there's
not
gonna,
be
some
other
interim
step
that
we
see
is
pretty
much
is
gonna,
be
the
bump-out
cell.
They
change
it's
gonna
happen.
Yes,
okay,
yeah
and
my
other
question
was
what
was
the
expectation
regarding
redirection
of
traffic
since
indian
canyons,
probably
not
going
to
be
as
quick
to
get
down.
You
know
it
won't
be
quite
as
fast
for
folks.
G
I
F
H
B
Look
to
this
into
the
table:
okay,
I
and
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments
which
was
part
of
my
motivation,
of
inviting
you,
gentlemen.
I
know
that
when
this
this
has
been
talked
about
a
long
time
and
the
newspaper
reported
it
and
one
of
the
comments
that
the
mayor
had
was
about
pedestrian
safety
and
cyclist
safety.
So
but
I
there
are
knows
he
was
at
least
quoted
in.
The
paper
is
mentioning
that
no
cycle
routes
marked
on
Indian
Canyon.
Are
there
or
do
gentleman
know.
B
B
J
Mr.
Baker,
so
then
that
raises
a
question
most
of
the
businesses
there's
sort
of
faced
away
from
in
UK,
especially
the
new
hotels,
at
least
my
understanding.
It's
all
looking
towards
Palm
Canyon
and,
as
you
go
to
goes
south
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
store
frontage.
It's
a
lot
of
parking
lots
until
you
get
like
two
bills,
pizzas.
No,
that's
so
there's
like
not
a
lot
facing
Indian
to
create
that
walkability.
If
I
was
gonna,
walk
I
definitely
would
go
down.
Palm
Canyon,
as
opposed
to
Indian
game.
J
B
There
are
some
vacant
development
parcels
for
sure
and
I
do
know
that
the
of
a
Caliente
museum
I
believe
is
not
directed
toward
Indian
Canyon
or
at
least
the
current
design,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
means
that
that
Street
isn't
going
to
be
a
walkable
street.
If,
anytime,
that
we
have
big
events
downtown,
there
are
always
people
on
Indian
Canyon
and
there
are
restaurants
and
and
others
so
I.
So
my
hope
is
that
we
don't
that
we
don't
do
anything
in
terms
of
design
or
limit
the
walkability
and
pleasant
pedestrian
experience
for
the
future.
A
H
Did
you
have
a
yeah
just
one
more
question,
I'm
looking
at
the
diagram
here
for
the
Alejo
intersection
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
from
here,
but
people
going
southbound
on
Indian
Canyon
are
looks
like
there's
gonna
be
one
left
turn
lane
and
one
either
straight
or
right
turn
lane.
Is
that
correct
alejo?
H
G
H
H
F
That
reviewer
well
I
can
look
into
that.
If
it
does
become
a
bottleneck,
I
can
see
we
could.
We
could
probably
make
some
tweaks
to
that
sounds.
A
B
J
F
So
on
Indian
Canyon,
you
don't
have
the
pedestrian
counts
to
support
that
scramble
type
crosswalk
as
part
of
the
Palm
Canyon
project.
That
is
also
coming
in
the
future.
I
believe
several
of
those
are
proposed
and
included
into
that
project.
So
so
those
will
be
coming
to
Palm
Springs,
just
not
on
Indian
Canyon,
again
until
more
people
out
there
and.
B
B
A
So
we're
getting
that
word
out
along
with
the
organics,
which
is
also
going
to
be
impacting
the
businesses
here
in
Palm
Springs
and
throughout
California
frankly,
to
make
to
meet
those
requirements
and
we'll
also
be
sending
out
letters
to
businesses
in
regards
to
that.
Just
to
remind
them
of
what
they're
required
to
do
great.
C
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
now
we're
back
in
our
more
or
less
regular
order
to
item
C
the
meeting
minutes
of
our
September
24th
meeting
those
were
emailed
to
you,
I'm
sure
you
emailed
any
Corrections.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval
with
any
Corrections
that
were
submitted
to
Dan
Somu
Commissioner
Baker,
second
from
Commissioner
Santora,
all
in
favor
say?
Yes,
yes,.
F
B
K
Thank
you.
I
have
a
correction
to
make
for
commissioner
Wilson.
He
asked
me
a
question
last
meeting
that
we
had
regarding
the
amount
of
organics
that
could
be
taken
to
the
Coachella
Valley
facility
per
day
and
I
told
you
750.
It's
actually
700
is
what
is
what
their
daily
capacity
is
and
a
950
max,
so
they
cannot
take
more
than
950
tons
of
organics
per
day,
so
I
wanted
to
correct
them.
K
We
held
our
shredding
and
e-waste
event
this
past
weekend,
very
successful,
probably
the
best
one
that
I've
done
since
that
we've
been
here
about
286
people
came
through.
So
that's
a
pretty
good
improvement.
We
held
it
in
conjunction
with
Palm
Springs
disposals
fall
cleanup
and
they
had
at
last
time,
I
checked.
They
had
117
attendees.
So
that's
a
pretty
good
number
as
well
and
desert
art
was
on
site
to
collect
all
the
e-waste
and
they
filled
up
a
complete
truck.
So
they
were
pretty
happy
about
that.
K
Not
sure
yet-
and
the
reason
is
because
due
to
cost
because
it
costs
about
ten
to
twelve
thousand
dollars
for
Palm
Springs
to
do
a
spring
cleanup
in
a
fall
cleanup,
but
the
difference
is
they
pick
up
items
throughout
the
week?
If
we
were
to
combine
with
him
on
on
the
next
one
which
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
do,
we've
asked
them
only
to
be
there
for
that
Saturday
portion
of
it,
so
they
wouldn't
collect
throughout
the
week
and
that's
gonna
be
about
three
thousand
dollars.
A
K
Combine
it
with
them,
okay,
so
they
I
can
tell
you
for
sure.
They're
not
gonna,
be
collecting
it
through
the
week
during
the
January
function,
but
we're
trying
to
talk
him
into
joining
us
on
that
Saturday
I'm.
Sorry
in
April,
yes,
in
april
they'll
do
the
week
that
they'll
do
their
spring
cleanup,
which
is
the
entire
week.
Okay
and
the
saturday
okay,.
I
K
2019
is
four
cubic
yards
of
solid
waste.
The
difference
in
the
past
is
the
measurement
was
the
organics
itself
either
eight
cubic
yards
of
four
cubic
yards
once
you
an
you,
arey
2019,
it
switches
over
to
four
cubic
yards
of
solid
waste.
Now
you
may
not
produce
that
much
organics,
but
you're
still
going
to
be
required
to
participate
in
a
recycling
program
for.
I
I
K
L
A
There's
gonna
be
a
point
in
time
when
the
state
evaluates
everyone's
everyone
throughout
the
state's
progress
towards
meeting
the
goal
of
it
was
a
50%
reduction
by
2020
and
depending
on
the
outcomes
they
may
mandate,
the
they
may
impose
the
2
cubic
yard
requirement
for
organic
waste
at
that
time.
So
it's
some
analysis
has
to
be
done
and
then
they
will.
Let
us
know
we're
at.
B
L
K
Will
happen
what
I've
been
told
by
Burrtec
themselves
is:
what
will
happen?
Is
they
service
seven
cities
and
and
other
areas,
unincorporated
areas
down
valley,
essentially
Palm
Springs
disposal
handles
Palm,
Springs,
Desert,
Hot
Springs
and
some
portions
of
unincorporated
Riverside
County?
What
is
projected
to
happen?
If
and
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
it's
nine
hundred
and
fifty
tons
taken
there?
They
will
satisfy
their
seven
customers
before
they
satisfy
Palm,
Springs
or
Desert
Hot
Springs.
K
K
B
C
Until
we
know
exactly
what
AQMD
is
going
to
do,
we
won't
know
when
the
workshop
will
be
I
did
get
this
flyer
I
asked
Bailey,
who
who's
doing
the
the
flyer
that
will
be
mailed
out
to
all
of
the
city,
and
they
sent
me
a
copy
of
this,
which
is
the
what
the
actual
flyer
is
going
to
look
like.
That
will
go
out
to
all
everyone.
Every
citizen
I'll
have
your
address
up
at
the
top
and
then
it'll
show.
C
B
C
B
So
now,
just
just
so
commissioners
know
vice
chair
clark,
and
I
have
been
a
little
closer
to
this
than
maybe
some
of
you.
We
have
already
mailed
out
a
brochure
to
landscape
businesses,
correct
that
have
a
license
with
palm
springs,
so
that
was
a
different
brochure
and
at
that
point
obviously,
we
didn't
know
about
exchange
programs
for
businesses
and
we
still
because
AQMD
hasn't
issued
their
guidelines.
We
don't
know
what
to
say
to
them.
So
this
flyer
is
a
flyer
to
residents
this
blower
workshop
that
you're
referring
to.
Would
that
also
be
open
to
businesses?
B
C
Know
that
that's
been
discussed
I,
don't
know
why
it
wouldn't
be
it'll,
be
a
free
workshop,
so
okay,
I,
would
assume
I
mean
I,
can
double
check
with
Amy
to
see
what
her
ideas
are.
It
will
be
presented
in
Spanish
and
they
will
have
a
translator
to
do
so,
be
English
and
Spanish
for
the
workshop,
but
you're
right
I
only
had
just
heard
of
it
as
being
for
businesses.
Part.
B
C
B
C
B
B
B
All
right
and
I
guess,
given
that
its
personnel
matter,
that's
probably
as
much
information,
is,
as
we
can
say
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
that's
that'll
be
interesting
to
see
how
that
precedes
all
right,
we're
at
new
business
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
asked
Commissioner
Baker
if
he
would
help
us
in
leading
a
discussion
on
a
possible
ordinance
regulating
tobacco,
smoking
and
tobacco
product
use
so
and
I
know,
there's
also
been
some
action
by
City
Council.
B
J
B
J
J
Yeah
and
they
will
be
random
checks
just
like
alcohol
sales,
etc.
Okay,
all
right!
That's
a
done
deal
so
next
we
moved
on
to
the
the
city
is
actually
going
to
consider
a
resolution
to
ban
smoking
and
their
December
city
council
meeting
what
you
have
before
you
on
the
screens
are
just
some
talking
points
that
we
just
distilled
to
discuss
in
this
group
as
we
decide
whether
or
not
what
recommendations,
if
any,
we
would
give
to
the
City
Council
to
provide
them
guidance
regarding
this
anti
smoking
ban.
B
J
All
right,
so
turning
your
attention
to
these
two,
the
Machine
ferny,
the
one
pager
you
know
it.
It
can
read
the
intro
to
yourself,
but
really
there,
we
kind
of
took
the
top
10
issues
for
discussion,
so
starting
with
number
one
is
supporting
the
state's
definition
of
tobacco,
which
includes
marijuana
and
any
other
type
of
products
such
as
chewing
tobacco,
snuff,
etc.
So
it
all
be
lumped
into
one
thing,
so
marijuana
and
cigarette
smoke
tobacco
smoke
are
will
be
considered.
The
same
any
questions
on
that
point.
I
So
there
are
a
couple
of
issues
here:
there
are
items
that
you
can
smoke
and
there
items
that
are
are
not
tobacco,
and
so
maybe
there
are
other
areas
of
the
ordinance
where
those.
So
you
can
ingest
two
back
cannabis
and
you
can
smoke
cannabis,
you
can
ingest
tobacco
and
you
can
chew
tobacco,
and
if
this
is
a
smoking
ordinance,
do
we
want
to
deal
with
all
of
those
or
do
we
want
to
just
deal
with
smoke?
I
J
That
is
my
understanding.
We're
only
talking
about
the
physical
vapor
smoke.
If
I
mean,
if
you
can
have
a
pat,
a
transdermal
patch
for
nicotine
or
you
could
have
marijuana,
candies
I
mean
you're,
not
that's,
not
in
fact
affecting
the
air
of
the
people
around
you.
The
whole
point
is
to
create
an
environment
where
your
your
habit
of
ingesting
whatever
you
want
via
a
smoke
delivery
device,
is
not
infringing
upon
everyone
around.
You.
H
J
That's
the
law
that
the
way
the
state
looks
at
it
is.
It
looks
at
all
those
all
those
products
equally,
because
you
have
to
be
over
21
to
buy
chewing
tobacco
or
18
if
you're
in
the
military,
so
the
state
Klumps,
those
together
wasn't
anything
we
decided
to
isolate
chewing
tobacco.
The
tobacco
product
is
regulated
and
marijuana
is
now
looked
in
so
same
under
the
vehicular
code
or
anything
else,
marijuana
and
cigarettes
or
marijuana
and
alcohol
in
terms
of
drinking
and
driving
or
smoking
marijuana,
driving
or
illegal.
J
Number
two
supporting
current
federal
and
state
smoke-free
policies
in
multi-unit
housing,
spaces
and
common
areas.
So
this
one
there's
there
has
been
a
lot
of
debate
when
I
lived
in
Santa
Monica.
This
ordinance
passed
and
I
lived
in
an
apartment,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
public
interest
on
this,
because
it's
sort
of
regulating
what
you
can
do
in
your
own
living
environment.
However,
there
are
studies
that
show
that
smoking
in
your
apartment
or
your
single
condo,
can
go
through
a
common
ventilation
system
or
out
of
your
apartment
into
apartment
above
you.
J
B
J
Theaters
support
smoke-free
public
transportation,
conveniences
buses,
taxis,
I'm,
assuming
that
would
also
incorporate
ride
share,
although
we
don't
define
whether
ride
shares
go
in.
If
that
takes
place
or
not
supporting
a
25-foot
buffer
zone
which
is
already
in
existence
for
most
businesses,
you
cannot
smoke
within
25
feet
of
a
business
establishment
of
this.
Yes,
yes,.
B
H
J
The
idea
behind
the
25
feet
is
basically
for
a
building,
so,
for
instance,
City,
Hall
or
any
hospital
you
got
there.
It'll
say
no
smoking
within
25
feet
of
the
door.
So
that's
like
when
someone's
taking
their
break.
You
can't
just
step
immediately
outside
the
door
and
light
up.
You
have
to
at
least
walk
further
enough
away
from
the
door
that
people
coming
in
going
instead
being
in
your
vehicle,
is
a
wholly
different
situation.
H
J
D
Looking
at
item
five,
it
starts
by
talking
about
public
events
and
lists
events,
but
it
then
goes
to
referring
to
swimming
pools,
skate
parks,
water
parks,
which
are
really
facilities.
So
is
there
a
clarification
there
between
events
and
facilities?
Other.
J
D
J
J
B
J
M
B
L
Now,
let's
go
to
the
next
level.
There
are
many
people
who
occasionally
go
to
a
bar
and
they
will
walk
out
onto
the
patio
where
there
is
secondhand
smoke,
because
other
people
are
smoking
there.
If
that
is
the
extent
of
your
exposure
to
secondhand
smoke
in
your
life,
what
is
the
demonstrable
impact
on
your
health?
In
other
words,
you
are
exposed
to
secondhand
smoke
for
a
couple
of
hours
a
week.
Thirdly,
what
if
you
are
out
on
a
golf
course
or
you're
on
a
hiking
trail-
and
you
come
across
some
secondhand
smoke?
L
J
First
of
all,
for
the
patio
at
a
bar,
the
major
concern
for
the
employees,
who
are
there
more
than
an
incidental
minute
or
two
walking
in
or
out
of
bar
they're,
there
many
days
a
week,
working
several
hours
serving
drinks
serving
food.
So
that's
how
the
initial
smoking
bans
started
in
California
was
for
employee
health.
J
Now,
as
it
comes
to
hiking
trails
or
a
golf
course
where
it
is
you're
sort
of
an
open-air
environment,
and
it's
not
confined
I,
not
aware
of
any
medical
studies,
but
by
the
same
token,
you
inhale
bus
fumes,
exhaust
fumes
and
your
day
to
day
life
you're
not
going
to
live
in
a
bubble.
But
the
idea
is
to
prevent
you
from
going
into
any
type
of
business,
establishment
and
sort
of
being
forced
to
inhale
secondhand
smoke.
Okay,.
H
J
The
devil's
and
the
details
on
this
one
because
say
you
are
hiking
and
someone
is
smoking.
A
cigarette
ahead
of
you
or
behind
you,
I
mean
there's
effectively
no
way.
You
can
report
that
to
the
police
officer
or
file
a
report
yeah
the
person
with
the
orange
shirt
with
the
Braves
baseball
cap
because
was
smoking.
So
there
are
some
limitations
to
the
again
it's
trying
to
protect
if
you're
in
your
condo
or
apartment
and
someone
is
constantly
smoking
outside
and
it's
coming
in.
You
have
to
flow
children
or
not
the
other.
H
N
A
couple
of
questions:
thank
you
down
the
table.
That
I
think
need
to
be
addressed
to
your
question.
Commissioner.
Mccann.
There
was
a
study
done
about
patio
smoke
around
bars
and
they
blew
and
I
got
the
citation
back
there.
But
I
know
that
when
this
particular
City
reduced
the
smoking
on
patio
bars,
the
the
secondhand
smoke
was
reduced
by
20%
over
a
two-month
period
right
initially
and
in
the
area
of
the
bar
itself.
N
So
when,
when
the
street
is
closed
because
we
don't
want
to
go
to
the
area,
I
think
there's
another
aspect
to
the
hiking
trails
that
goes
beyond
I.
You
know
you're
not
going
to
be
affected
by
the
smoke,
and
that
is
not
a
smoking
issue
as
much
as
it
is
a
hazard
issue
to
the
trails
themselves,
the
the
risk
of
setting
something
on
fire
and
setting
the
mountainside
on
fire
and
the
littering
aspect.
N
We
have
never
addressed
the
littering
aspect
of
smoking,
which
is
a
critical
issue
when
in
Santa
Monica,
when
they
go
to
the
clean
up
the
beach
area.
The
single
most
littered
aspect
of
the
beaches
are
cigarette
butts
and
you
go
through.
You
go
through
the
park
over
here
from
Sunrise
Park
number
one
item
cigarette
butts
the
second
most
significant
thing
that
we're
finding
in
these
days
are
syringes.
L
M
And
if
I
may
address
also
according
to
the
CDC,
there
is
no
safe
level
of
exposure
to
secondhand
smoke
and
it's
also
known
to
cause
sudden
infant
death
syndrome.
It
causes
sudden
onset,
onset,
heart
attack
and
stroke,
and
we
were
talking
about
public
public
areas
where
people
fluidly
move
in
and
out
of
then
bring
it
back
to
residential.
M
M
M
So
there
are
differing
results
from
person
to
person.
All
of
our
chemistry
is
different.
Some
people
are
highly
susceptible
to
harm
from
secondhand
smoke
and
then
there
comes
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum
of
people
who
it
doesn't
bother
them
and
they
don't
seem
to
have
any
any
suffering
or
harm
as
a
result
of
their
exposure.
So
they
may
be
less
concerned,
but
then
there's
so
many
people
who
have
weak
immune
systems
because
either
they're
young,
very
young,
they're,
very
old
or
they
have
illnesses.
M
Those
people
deserve
protection
so
as
much
as
one
might
look
to
what
might
be
the
rights
of
a
smoker.
Technically
there
aren't
any
legal
rights
to
smoke.
There
isn't
a
law
in
the
United
States
that
exists,
granting
that
right
or
protecting
that
right.
It's
a
tolerated
existence,
but
there's
no
legislation
requiring
that.
So
I
think
it's
really
important.
All
of
us
sitting
around
this
table,
except
for
this
young
man,
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
older
and
we
come
from
period.
M
We
come
from
a
period
where
we
had
been
indoctrinated
by
the
concepts
and
the
thinking
of
the
tobacco
industry.
Many
of
us
sitting
around
this
table
can
remember
a
time
where
smoking
took
place
at
everywhere
in
the
grocery
stores
in
the
hospitals
in
the
in
the
elevators,
you
name
it.
They
did
and
I
see,
Joe.
B
I
did
well
I.
I
only
want
to
stop
you
because
I
I
want
this
to
be
a
commissioner
discussion
and
I
want
I
want
you,
gentlemen,
to
answer
specific
questions
that
that
Carl
can't
and
so
I
don't
want
the
commissioners
not
to
have
a
chance
to
ask
and
speak
and
I
have
a
question,
and
perhaps
no
the
Commissioner
does
as
well
your
goings.
B
I
There
are
several
issues
for
me
in
the
way
this
is.
This
is
written
I.
Think
for
me,
the
top
issue
is,
we
should
be
treating
tobacco
and
cannabis
differently.
I
think
it's
completely
fair
to
regulate
where
cannabis
can
and
cannot
be.
You
know
ingested
or
smoked
differently
than
is
the
case
for
tobacco
and
I'm,
not
saying
you
know
where
you
should
smoke
cannabis.
It
should
be,
you
know,
should
be
a
wider
bubble
than
where
you
could
smoke
tobacco,
but
I
think
they
should
be
handled
differently.
I
And
that's
that's
my
first
issue
and
the
second
issue
is
I,
just
can't
get
around
for
me
at
this
point,
smoking
in
your
own
private
residence
someplace
that
that
you've
rented
in
terms
of
building
codes.
We
don't
go
back,
you
know,
we
don't
say
it's
2018,
we're
gonna,
have
everybody
retrofit
to
you
know.
Every
building
that
was
built
in
1920
has
to
be
retrofitted
to
2018
standards,
but
I
feel
like
that's
in
a
way.
What
you're,
what
you're
doing
is
you're
saying
it's
2018.
We
have
a
new
understanding.
I
J
B
B
So
if,
if
it's
a
federally
or
state
subsidized
facility
rental
facility,
those
restrictions
are
already
imposed
correct.
So
let's
assume
that
it's
an
apartment,
building
and
Palm
Springs
that
is,
does
not
have
any
of
those
subsidies
or
a
condo
complex.
That's
either
one
level
with
adjacent
patios,
or
there
are
some
two
and
three
level
condo
buildings
with
stacked
patios.
B
B
J
A
B
This
would
I'm
just
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
understand
so
this
would
prohibit
Roy
from
smoking
inside
his
condo
or
out
on
his
patio
does
quote
both
places,
even
though
inside
his
own
condo,
he
has
his
own
separate
air
handling
unit
for
heating
and
air-conditioning.
It's
not
connected
to
the
neighbors,
because
they're
all
you
know
metered
separately,
but
the
the
idea
is
that
it,
the
smoke
would
pervade
the
walls
or
the
ceiling
is.
J
B
B
J
J
I
Lot
of
what
your
a
lot
of
your
argument,
our
arguments
here
are
related
to
other
people's
definitions.
The
state
of
California,
the
federal
government,
the
state
of
California
and
the
federal
government
at
this
point
do
tree
cannabis
very
differently.
And
so,
if
we're
going
to
well
California,
it
may
be
legal
in
California.
But
it's
not
legal
federally,
so
I
mean
I
feel
like
the
decision
to
treat
them
separately
only
makes
sense.
Giving
our
current
legislative
climate.
I
I
I'm
I'm
I'm,
just
trying
to
offer
some
constructive
and
helpful
thoughts
is
that
if
they
were
separated,
maybe
one
would
move
forward
and
one
would
not,
and
you
know,
but
you
know
that
level
of
clarification
would
help.
People
make
some
decisions
here
and
I
think
the
issue
about
multifamily
housing
might
be
the
other
one.
That.
I
You
know
if
I
rent
it
in
2017,
with
the
expectation
that
I
can
smoke
and
now
in
2018
I
can't
smoke.
You
know,
then
what
does
that
mean
about
this
lease
that
I
signed
and
you
know,
are
there
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
it
feels
like
III.
Don't
think
I'd
be
happy
about
that
that
I
rented
an
apartment
of
2017
with
one
expectation
and
it
changed
in
28
the.
J
H
M
This
question:
it
happens
organically,
there's
a
reason:
no
one's
smoking
in
this
room
right
now,
there's
and
so
many
other
places
that
we
go.
There
was
a
period
of
time
where
people
did
what
changed
to
law
change.
People
became
accustomed
to
it
and
began
to
respect
it.
There
aren't
police
officers
going
around
and
writing
tickets
and
and
chastising
people
for
smoking
in
this
building
or
other
place
that
most
other
places
where
it's
just
become
common
knowledge
that
smoking
shouldn't
take
place.
M
There
will
be
a
period
of
time
where
there's
an
educational
process
as
a
result
of
a
change
that
people
will
have
to
become
educated
and
become
aware
of
it,
and
just
as
when
smoking
in
inside
restaurants
and
bars
changed.
For
example,
there
were
people
who
defied
it
that
didn't
last
very
long.
They
became
accustomed
to
it
and
they're
not
attempting
to
do
it
anymore.
That
was
a
very
short
period
of
time
that
happens,
but
for
the
most
part
right
away,
people
start
to
abide
by
the
law.
H
I
H
Think
for
me
personally,
I
want
to
know
what
the
city's
enforcement
mechanisms
are
going
to
be
and
what
the
cost
of
that
is
going
to
be,
and
while
we're
on
that
enforcement
track.
One
of
the
things
that
your
question
raised
for
me
is
that
we
have
just
come
so
far
in
decriminalizing
cannabis
use
and
now
we're
criminalizing
it
again
in
another
form.
H
M
H
They're
being
thwarted
once
again
with
all
these
different
regulations
from
city
state
and
the
feds
I
think
for
us
as
a
community
it,
it
is
beneficial
that
not
only
that
this
Commission
the
City
Council,
but
the
residents,
more
importantly,
understand
the
full
picture
before
we
move
forward.
So
that's
my
point.
M
H
B
H
B
L
M
L
I
think
my
question
is
gonna.
Let
you
respond
to
him
directly,
but
it
when
commissioner
goings
was
talking
about
well
I
think
there
should
be
a
front
set
of
standards
for
cannabis
smoke
versus
tobacco
smoke
because
of
different
considerations
at
federal
versus
state
levels.
I'm,
not
sure,
that's
a
good
rationale,
but
there
there
could
be
a
good
rationale
for
treating
them
separately.
If
there
is,
are
any
studies
or
anything
that
we
could
go
on
that
suggests
that
there
are
differences
in
secondhand
smoke,
impacts
well
of
cannabis
smoke
versus
tobacco
smoke?
M
I
can
address
that
there
is
no
difference,
they're
equally
dangerous,
it's
carbonized
that
makes
it
a
carcinogen
and
as
far
as
where
people
can
smoke
cannabis,
that's
already
established
by
the
law,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
actually
gone
to
City
Council
and
spoke
in
favor
of
the
cannabis
growers
and
dispensaries
to
establish
cannabis
lounges,
because
even
our
visitors
who
come
and
visit
our
city,
we
don't
want
them
to
criminalize.
And
currently
cannabis
is
just
like
alcohol.
M
You
can't
consume
it
in
public
and
most
hotels,
they
don't
permit
it
so
they're
gonna
come
here,
they're
gonna
purchase
it
and
they
don't
have
a
legal
place
to
do
it.
That's
why
we
have
gone
and
spoke
in
favor
of
cannabis
lounges.
We
want
to
make
sure
our
visitors
aren't
criminalized
and
that
other
people
have
even
people
who
aren't
visitors
have
a
safe
legal
place
to
consume
cannabis.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do.
Okay,.
B
Christian
Baker
you'd
say:
do
you
have
to
leave
by
6:30,
so
we
have
about
five
minutes,
and
so
I
want
to
just
clarify
a
couple
of
things,
so
we
probably
want
to
have
on
the
November
agenda,
something
a
resolution.
In
fact,
what
you
have
written
for
us
in
this
single
page
document
sounds
like
it
it
it
could
be.
A
motion
for
the
November
meeting.
This
is
Samuel.
Commission
endorses
the
following
concepts.
B
Your
ten
bullet
points
that
that
could
be
the
basis
for
a
motion,
and
then
we
could
debate
whether
or
not
we
like
all
ten
of
those
or
if
we
want
to
negotiate
in
some
way
and
exclude
one
or
more
or
vote
the
whole
thing
up
or
the
whole
thing
down
is
that
is
that
likely
a
process
that
we
would
follow
in
November?
That
is.
B
All
right
and
I
think
just
what
we
are
doing
is
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
sustainability
Commission.
This
will
ultimately
be
the
council's
decision.
It'll
be
the
council's
decision
to
figure
out
how
penalties
and
how
they're
going
to
communicate
and
enforce
and
it'll
be
a
significantly
complaint
driven,
except
for
businesses,
where
it's
a
much
more
public
experience
and
and
under
bullet
for
I'm
certain
that
it's
not
our
responsibility.
It'll
be
council's
work
to
communicate
with
businesses
that
would
be
affected
and
get
feedback
from
those
businesses
about
how,
but
what
they
think.
B
B
B
O
It
was
my
understanding
when
you
first
presented
this,
that
you
were
going
to
revise
I,
think
how
you
may
be
worded
about
multi-unit
housing
and
so
that
low-income
people
wouldn't
feel
like
they
were
being
penalized
for
not
having
more
income
to
have
a
single
house
I
camera.
What
is
called
so
that
was
one
thing
it.
It
doesn't.
Look
like
that's
reflected,
I
I
think
that
there
should
be
a
way
to
have
a
spot
that
people
could
ingest
in
some
way
and
I.
O
Think
that
saying
that
you
can
have
an
edible,
it's
not
the
best
way
for
some
people
to
take
their
medicine
and
it
is
considered
a
medicine
right
now.
So
something
that
you
said
is
that
people
have
died
from
it
and
I've
read
studies
that
people
have
not
died
from
cannabis
use,
maybe
from
the
smoke
I
just
I
think
it
is
different
than
tobacco.
People
are
going
to
be
smoking.
O
J
I
think
the
fairness
question
looks
more
towards
those
who
choose
not
to
smoke
because
I'm
taking
my
habit
and
I'm
enforcing
you
to
enjoy
it
with
me.
So
by
isolating
it
I'm,
no
longer
forcing
my
habit
upon
you
in
cold
weather
climates.
There
is
no
such
thing
as
an
outdoor
patio
in
Maine
in
January,
where
you
can
go
out
and
smoke.
Your
cigarette
in
Europe
many
bars
have
a
tiny
closet
sized
space
indoors
for
smoking
during
the
winter
months.
J
O
And
people
that
that
would
be
going
close
to
one
of
those
places
that
I
mean
they
could
also
choose
not
to
go
close
to
one
of
those
places
or
me,
I
mean
I.
Don't
I,
don't
really
know
how
to
make
it
so
that
that
people
wouldn't
have
to
experience
being
close
to
that
except
for
I,
don't
know
I,
just
I,
don't
want
to
infringe
on
people's
rights.
Also
and
I
know
that
what
we
discussed
it
before.
O
You
said
well,
when
one
person's
rights
and
then
I
mean
began
another
person's
rights
end,
and
so
what
you
said
one
another
one
person's
rights
begin
another
person's
rights
end.
What's
the
point
right
that
you
made
and
I
agree
with
that,
and
so
when
you
made
your
point
about
being
at
a
parade
or
anything
I
agree,
there
shouldn't
be
any
smoking
where
it
can
just
be
there.
But
someone
at
a
multi-unit
housing
place.
O
J
B
I
The
what
I
feel
like
I'm
hearing
for
other
commissioners
and
it's
never
a
good
idea
to
speak
for
other
people,
but
it's
a
little
unclear,
so
it
should
be
clear
where
people
can
smoke
also
because
it's
pretty
pretty
much
a
blanket.
You
know
this
is
pretty
broad
here.
So
if
it's
clear
where
people
can
engage
in
the
activity,
that
would
help
us
right
now,
it's
not
clear
where
you
can
and
cannot.
I
guess.
The
second
issue
I
have
here
is
that
this
is
really
not
a.
I
It's
an
issue
of
it
being
too
broad
again
this
this
really.
From
my
perspective,
what
you
guys
want
to
do
is
limit
secondhand
smoke
inhalation,
and
this
is
talking
about
things
that
you
ingest.
This
is
you
know
talking
about.
You
know
it's
just
it's
just
too
broad.
So
if
this
was
really
a
secondhand
smoke
regulation
that
would
really
help,
and
the
third
thing
I
offer
is
that
maybe
a
public
interest
campaign
to
help
people
sort
of
naturally
get
to
the
point
that
you
want
might
work
just
as
well.
I
I
mean
if
your
real
goal
here
is
to
help
people
understand
that.
Okay,
we
used
to
smoke
in
Commission
meetings.
Now
we
understand
not
to
do
that.
You
know.
Maybe
a
non-profit
that
communicates
with
the
community
to
help
them
understand
would
be
a
better
approach
than
you
know.
A
broad
ban
in
City,
Council,
or
maybe
both
I,
mean
I,
feel
like
all
of
that,
could
help,
because
right
now
it
just
it
feels
a
little
too
broad
and
a
little
too
heavy-handed.
So
those
are
my
thoughts
all.
B
B
This
will
be
the
motion
on
the
table,
we'll
see
if
we'll
see
if
we
get
a
second
and
if
we
get
a
second
we'll
proceed
with
discussion
and-
and
we
can
see
if
we
all
agree
on
all
ten
if
we
eliminate
something
if
we
come
up
with
a
whole
different
motion,
we'll
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
and
we'll
see
what
we
can
do,
spreads
minimize
other
parts
of
the
agenda.
I,
don't
know
whether
this
will
take
a
long
time
or
not
all
right.
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
Commissioner
Baker!
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
B
Thank
you
all
for
your
conversation,
all
right,
believe
it
or
not.
We
are
going
to
be
out
of
here,
I
think
by
7:00
o'clock,
so
we're
going
to
keep
moving
on
we're
at
item
F
to
discussion
and
action
on
whether
or
not
to
include
the
fly
salute
as
a
regular
agenda
item.
Its
was
simply
a
part
of
protocol
from
the
prior
chair
and
I
continued.
It
I'm
happy
to
discuss
it.
B
H
B
H
It
was
apparent
to
me
from
the
first
Commission
meeting
that
I
attended,
that
there
was
a
level
of
discomfort
at
the
pledge
just
based
on
the
auditory
environment
and
having
discussions
with
individuals.
Since
that
time,
it
just
seems
appropriate
that
some
people
feel
imposed
upon
in
different
ways
and
it's
not
a
necessary
function
of
the
Commission
and
therefore
it
should
not
be
a
regular
mandatory
part
of
the
agenda.
Okay,.
L
B
I
B
All
right,
just
at
this
particular
moment,
because
it's
the
the
solar
report
I
just
did
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
David
Freedman
for
his
work
on
the
fact
that
Palm
Springs
was
awarded
the
2018
Sol
smart
recognition.
I
think
we
all
got
that
email
in
early
early,
October
I.
Think
Dan
is
when
you
send
us
that
notification
I.
C
It's
but
it
was
yes,
it
was
a
September.
Pardon
me.
K
B
It
was
early
October,
as
I
was
reading
old
email
from
my
time
no
way
in
any
event,
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
recognition
to
David
for
his
work
on
the
the
small
Sol
smart
recognition
award
and
also
to
staff
as
well
to
Dan
and
Jay,
for
the
support
that
you
gave
in
in
making
that
happen.
So
thank
you
about
that.
All
right.
We
are
at
and
thank
you
John
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
on
this
area
as
well.
C
B
L
Okay,
several
items
here
I'll
go
through
them
quickly.
The
first
one,
the
C
and
E
waste
ordinance
we're
still
awaiting
City
Council
action
on
the
revised
ordinance
that
we
submitted
to
them
in
April
issue
to
reducing
polystyrene,
takeout
containers
and
use
of
plastic
straws
for
restaurants.
Jr.
Roberts
has
asked
us
in
the
past
to
to
look
into
this.
As
a
result
of
that
effort
on
August
9th,
we
completed
a
draft
ordinance
for
on
request
only
status
of
plastic
straws.
L
So
the
it
was
left
there
that
that
they
want
more
information
about
other
municipalities
again
in
California
that
have
passed
a
more
expansive
ordinance
than
the
state
level,
and
what's
the
impact
been
on
restaurants
and
other
businesses,
and
so
we're
exploring
that
right
now,
item
three
recycling
containers
in
public
parks,
the
deployment
of
all
the
new
recycle
containers
in
the
parks
have
been
completed
and
I
want
to
jump
just
quickly.
Then,
to
a
recommendation.
L
We
have
noted
that
the
bright-blue
recycle
containers
that
we
now
have
in
our
public
parks
are
currently
coexisting
with
bright
blue
trash
containers
that
were
placed
in
the
parks
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
So
to
avoid
confusion
and
decrease
the
rate
of
contamination
of
the
waste
stream,
that's
going
into
our
recycle
containers.
L
B
L
Right
item
for
the
diverting
and
recycling
the
wet
organic
waste
from
the
city's
municipal,
solid
waste
stream.
You
all
know
about
the
ordinances
and
requirements
that
we've
been
discussing
earlier
tonight
that
are
coming
down.
The
pike
that
are
gonna
force
us
to
divert
more
of
our
organics
from
landfill.
L
The
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
produces
these
days
approximately
50,000
tons
per
year
of
municipal
solid
waste,
the
wet
organics
fraction.
The
food
waste
essentially
is
about
30
to
40
percent
of
that
as
an
estimate
and
to
meet
the
encouraging,
increasing,
increasingly
stringent
requirements
to
divert
we've
been
exploring
with
energy
of
corporation
a
proposal
to
use
their
technologies
and
their
equipment
to
extract
the
wet
fraction
from
the
undifferentiated
municipal,
solid
waste
stream
that
we
have
right
now,
deliver
that
to
anaerobic
digestion,
facilities
at
the
Palm
Springs
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
convert
that
fraction
into
energy.
L
So
latest
developments
there
on
October,
2nd
I
presented
an
overview
of
energy
as
proposal
to
council
members,
cores
and
holstege
and
other
potential
stakeholders.
The
feedback
was
positive
and
the
council
members
requested
additional
information
on
whether
similar
energy
projects
in
the
state
of
California
have
gone.
What
their
scope
has
been
and
how
they've
been
funded
in
particular
so
collected
that
information
gathered
it
up
and
provided
it
to
the
council
members
in
an
email
on
October
17th.
L
The
next
step
is,
then
we
need
to
prepare
a
staff
report
that
goes
back
to
energy
and
says:
ok,
the
next
step
on
your
from
your
perspective.
Is
you
want
to
to
a
more
detailed
proposal
with
with
specifying
costs
for
all
the
different
components,
but
they
need
approximately
70
K
to
do
that,
and
so
the
approval
process
City
Council
has
to
approve
that
the
city
manager
has
to
approve
it
and
we
sustainability.
Commission
members
have
to
approve
it.
L
So
we've
gone
back
to
an
area
and
they
are
now
in
the
process
of
preparing
that
more
detailed
report
on
what
the
proposal
would
entail
and
and
we're
waiting
for
them
on
that
it
should
be
here
within
the
week.
I
want
to
just
say,
parenthetically
to
Commissioner
coins.
You
had
some
issues
at
this
October
2nd
meeting
that
I
thought
were
pretty
interesting.
It
was
you
would
like
to
have
a
better
bigger
picture
of
the
waste
stream.
L
L
But
I
want
to
read
this
because,
prior
to
the
City
Council
meeting
on
October
3rd
Roy,
Clark
became
aware
that
the
city
was
considering
allocating
funding
to
purchase
additional
trash,
recycle
containers
similar
to
the
ones
that
have
been
deployed
in
the
downtown
area
from
last
year.
On
a
trial
basis
and
the
the
there
was
a
motion
on
the
table
to
approve
expenditure
of
it
was
either
at
200,000
or
300,000
dollar
level
close
to
three.
L
So
it
was
a
fairly
and
to
buy
something
like
150
of
those
joint
recycle
at
the
top
and
trash
at
the
bottom
containers.
In
response,
I
provided
with
councilmember
rod
at
Roberts
have
written
concern
about
the
containers
prior
to
the
meeting.
They
they
aren't
color
differentiated
and
there
were
some
other
problems
with
them.
L
Also,
a
point
I
just
came
up
with
on
October
18th
commissioners,
freedom
and
treatment,
and
myself
met
with
Dan
DeGarmo
to
discuss
topics
suitable
for
submitting
as
a
proposal
for
a
stain,
a
sustainability
Commission
workshop
at
the
2019
neighborhoods
USA
conference,
our
Nusa
conference,
which
is
going
to
be
held
May
15
to
18,
2019,
dan
and
Dave
and
I,
are
gonna
meet
later
this
week
to
try
to
finalize
a
little
bit
more.
The
the
topics
but
I
think
it's
at
this
point
we're
thinking
of
two
of
them.
L
One
will
be
something
to
do
with
best
practices
for
waste
management
in
a
city
the
size
of
Palm
Springs,
so
we
can
somewhere
as
all
this
work
that
we've
been
doing
there
and
the
other
one
is,
is
a
solar
initiative
that
David's
been
working
on.
So
the
workshop
is
75
minutes,
I
believe
and
we
might
divide
it
in
half
for
those
two
topics
done
all.
B
Right
so
I've,
given
your
your
recommendation
at
the
end
of
your
report
and
your
your
statement
on
item
6,
would
it
be
helpful
if
tonight,
if
some
Commissioner
wanted
to
move
something
to
the
effect
that
the
sustainability
Commission
recommends,
that
there
be
consistency
in
in
design
and
color
of
recycling
and
trash
containers
to
conform
to
the
norms
of
blue
for
recycling
and
brown
for
trash?
Yes,.
L
B
I
B
D
D
B
L
H
Just
one
question:
yeah
I
supported
the
motion,
but
you
have
a
question
for
you
on
the
straw.
Oh
ordinances
are
in
state
law,
so
not
to
be
stupid
about
this,
but
is
it
any
kind
of
plastic
hollowed
device,
including
like
the
stirs
that
are
used
for
coffee
and
for
cocktails
or
is
it?
Are
there
some
dimensions
that
are
outlined
in
the
law?
I
think.
I
I
on
the
energy,
a
project
during
the
discussions
about
hiring
a
sustainability
manager,
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
is
there
somebody
who
can
actually
execute
a
big
visionary
project.
That's
really
going
to
help
the
city,
so
I
think
that
that's
really
really
important,
and
this
is
exactly
that
kind
of
project,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
pushing
it
forward
and
I'm
going
to
thank
you
for
listening
to
my
comments
at
the
on
October
2nd.
I
As
we
move
forward
with
the
need
to
compost
and
reduce
our
waste
more
and
more,
we
need
to
be
flexible,
and
so
one
concern
I
had
it
sounds
like
you're
gonna
address.
It
is
whether
or
not
the
slurry
that
comes
out
at
the
end
of
this
machine
is
going
to
be
something
that
we
can
continue
to
use
as
divergent
material
right.
Is
this
slurry
just
going
to
be
so
uniform
that
we
can't
can
no
longer
remove
the
in
organics
and
the
organics?
So
that's
one
question.
I
My
second
question
and
I
didn't
mention
that
the
October
2nd
meeting
was
this
project
is
going
to
be
a
number
that
was
thrown
out
as
ten
million
dollars,
and
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
planning
entitlements.
I
doubt
it
would
just
be
a
simple
city
set
of
entitlements.
It
probably
is
gonna,
be
probably
gonna
require
some
County
government,
probably
gonna
require
sequa.
It
will
be
a
long
term
process
and
means
the
version
requirements
are
happening
now
within
the
next
two
years.
So
do
it
as
a
right
now.
I
My
sense
is
that
maybe
this
is
a
long
term
project,
but
we
have
short-term
needs.
So
I'm
wondering
how
we
balance
that
if
it
takes
us
five
years
to
permit
finance
and
build
this
thing,
but
we
right
now
have
the
need
to
divert
what
we
have
to
divert
and
we're
getting
fines.
It
doesn't
really
help
us.
So
that
was
my
second
question
now
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
tonight.
That's
great,
but
I
also
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
something
to
discuss
I.
L
Think
it's
a
really
important
point,
so
we
were
Gary
said
earlier
that
he
thought
that
the
additional
amount
of
wet
organics
that's
gonna-
have
to
be
diverted
from
landfill,
starting
on
January
1st
may
overwhelm
that
facility
down
a
vertex
next
year.
He
wasn't
sure
he
said,
but
we
were
gonna
get
the
short
side
of
the
stick.
If
it
does
yeah.
This
project
is
not
going
to
answer
that
if
it's
several
years
in
construction
and
I,
don't
have
a
good
solution
to
this
problem.
It's
a
really
big
problem.
So.
B
Perhaps
that's
a
topic
for
you
to
have
with
Gary
Calhoun
or
other
staff
off
line
to
follow
that
that
question.
That
line
a
question
I
mean
it's
an
important
question.
But
when
we
can't
answer
tonight,
I'm
sorry
I
was
moving
us
along.
Are
we
at
item
three
ad
hoc
subcommittee
on
walkability
and
pedestrian
planning?
A
B
A
B
All
right
so
we'll
expect
a
report.
Then
Commissioner
Baker
said
there
was
no
additional
report.
Commissioner
Freedman
is
not
here
for
water.
Mr.
Futterman
anything
on
outreach,
I
thought
you
were
all
gonna
make
me
out
to
be
a
liar
that
we
wouldn't
get
out
by
7:00,
but
we
might
are
there.
Commissioner,
comments.
H
D
B
A
big
group
any
other
comments.
I
do
want
to
just
encourage
all
of
you
to
the
extent
that
you
can
get
reports
submitted.
If
there
is
an
agenda
item,
we
work
on
the
agenda
slightly
more
than
a
week
out.
So
if
there's
an
agenda
item
or
a
motion
you
want
to
on
the
agenda,
please
get
it
to
Dan
and
or
ROI
and
myself,
and
to
the
extent
that
you
can
get
your
committee
reports
out
in
time
for
them
to
be
out
on
the
Thursday
prior
to
our
Tuesday
meeting.
B
We
are
dealing
with
big
issues
and
you
all
are
all
doing
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
to
the
extent
that
commissioners
have
a
chance
to
read
and
absorb
that,
we
might
actually
get
more
discussion
in
if
we've
had
those
reports
sooner.
So
thank
you,
for
that.
Is
there
a
motion
that
we
adjourn
until
our
next
regular
meeting
on
Tuesday
November
20th,
so
move
back,
Commissioner
Santora,
second
from
Commissioner
Gotham,
all
in
favor
say
yes,
and
we
are
adjourned
at
6:56
p.m.