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B
A
A
B
A
Good
correction,
any
others
so
could
have
a
motion
for
approval
with
the
corrections
so
noted,
Commissioner,
L'amour
and
second
mr.
Foley,
all
in
favor
aye
aye
opposed
any
of
abstaining.
Commissioner
Travis,
abstaining
and
Commissioner
dilatory.
Both
were
available
last
meeting
great.
Do
we
have
any
correspondence.
A
Thank
you
public
comment.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
Parks
and
Rec,
and
raysh
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
Although
the
Commission
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
The
time
allotment
is
three
minutes
signed
for
each
speaker
and
there's
a
chair
available
right
across
to
me
for
a
speaker
to
join
so
public
comment.
F
Said
on
good
afternoon,
everybody,
my
name
is
Dave
pocket
and
I
am
the
current
president
of
the
palm
springs?
Pickleball
Association
I
would
first
like
to
thank
everybody
on
this
commission,
as
well
as
the
City
Council
for
all
the
great
work
they
have
done
over
at
Duluth
Park
for
getting
our
additional
pickleball
courts
added
and
also
getting
some
nets
replace
that
we're
in
need
of
replacement
and
other
issues.
They
got
another
bench
over
there,
but
they've
done
a
great
job
with
everything
they've
done
for
the
pickleball
community.
F
F
Our
goals
as
an
organization
is
to
provide
instruction
for
all
players
and
all
levels
of
players
and
maintain
the
necessary
equipment
to
do
so,
we
want
to
competitions
and
tournaments,
which
will
help
generate
money
for
the
city.
We
want
to
partner
with
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
to
raise
funds
for
the
maintenance
and
expansion
of
pickleball
facilities
here
in
the
city.
Even
though
we've
expanded
there's
a
room
for
more
expansion,
we
would
love
to
host
some
large
tournaments
here
to
generate
some
revenue
for
the
city.
F
We
want
to
provide
governance
by
the
direction
or
for
the
direction
of
the
city,
and
we
want
to
actually
help
pay
to
help
maintain
the
the
cost
of
approach.
You
know:
maintaining
courts,
painting
new
nets,
things
like
this.
Our
emphasis
is
on
a
safe
plan
having
fun
demonstrating
sportsmanship
and
getting
exercise,
as
well
as
having
some
laughs
and
winning
in
that
of
importance.
F
Membership
is
open
to
anyone
in
the
with
an
interest
in
pickleball
dues
will
be
a
nominal
time-based
fee
to
cover
the
cost
of
administration,
purchasing
and
maintaining
equipment,
to
keep
the
courts
free
of
debris
and
in
an
excellent
state
of
repair
and
to
use
for
training
purposes
of
players
of
all
ages.
We
welcome
the
opportunity
to
partner
with
the
city
the
development
of
Palm
Springs
as
a
destination
place
for
pickleball
players
that
come
here
from
all
over
the
world.
We
had
two
folks
from
the
UK
playing
this
morning
that
are
here
on
holiday.
F
We
have
expertise
in
providing
guidance
in
the
design,
development,
construction
and
administration
and
use
of
the
existing
and
proposed
pickleball
facilities
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
We
believe
it's
in
everyone's
interest
in
Palm
Springs
to
have
local
people
who
are
dedicated
to
the
sport
of
pickleball
and
have
the
expertise
to
assist
in
the
development
of
any
proposed
new
facility
and
conversion
of
existing
courts
involved
in
the
process.
To
ensure
that
simple
mistakes
like
the
placement
of
seating
benches
I
can
Rancho
Mirage.
F
They
made
a
mistake,
didn't
you
know
putting
concrete
benches
right
on
the
court
where
people
can
run
into
them,
not
a
safe
situation,
so
things
like
that,
we
can
help
in
the
guidance
of
building
new
courts.
We
look
forward
with
working
in
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
in
the
City
Council
and
and
a
Parks
and
Recreation
Council
to
expedite
and
develop
much
of
the
needed
new
facility
and
addition
to
courts
at
the
booth
Park.
Thank
you
thank.
F
A
That
go
over
a
little
bit,
but
we
only
have
one
speaker,
so
it's
I'll
call
protocol.
So
thank
you
that,
being
the
only
speaker
we'll
close
public
speaking,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
I
hate
to
sided.
Printing
I
can
never
find
what
I'm
looking
for
because
of
two-sided
printing
city
manager's
report,
none.
B
A
And
we're
gonna
go
right
into
the
agenda.
I
was
very
concerned
because
we
had
an
agenda
about
12
items
you
and
I
worked
on.
It
was
paired
it
back
and
we're
moving
through
the
meeting
pretty
quickly.
So
that's
a
great
thing:
we
have
a
guest
speaker
today,
that's
going
to
talk
to
us
about
the
the
water
waste
treatment
plant
since
we
had
some
questions.
So
if
you
come
forward,
sir,
and
identify
yourself
thank
you.
G
Everyone,
my
name,
is
Doug
Laura
I'm,
the
plant
manager
at
the
wastewater
to
a
planet,
Palm
Springs,
I'm
employed
by
Veolia.
We
operate
the
treatment
plant
for
the
city
under
contract.
As
far
as
odor
control
goes
we've.
We
made
some
big
steps
when
we
started
up
the
new
plant
back
in
September
and
well
the
the
project
that
we
put
together.
There
reduce
the
odors
by
approximately
78%
that
were
coming
from
the
treatment
plant,
so
that
was
a
big
step,
the
other
things
we're
doing
going
forward
or
basically,
right
now,
what
we're
doing
is
reactionary.
G
If
we
have
a
problem,
we
have
55-gallon
drums
that
we
put
pine-sol
and
water
in,
and
then
we
have
a
diffuser
and
they've
proved
fairly
effective
and
localized.
Odor
control
is
basically
how
we
you
know.
If
we,
when
we
move
our
sludge
pile
into
trucks,
to
haul
it
off-site,
it
creates
odor,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
about
it.
So
we
try
to
minimize
it
getting
off-site
by
using
these
authorizers
and
misting
around
the
area
where
we're
working
and
then
going
forward
we're
working
with
the
city,
engineering
department
and
Stantec
engineering.
G
Right
now,
with
the
update
to
the
capital
improvement
program-
and
you
know,
there's
water
regulations
that
are
coming
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
so
everything
that
we're
looking
at
now
has
an
odor
control
aspect
to
it.
You
know
the
solids
handling
in
the
future
will
be
all
covered
in
order
controlled.
So
when
we
do
have
to
load
it
onto
trucks
and
move
it
from
the
site,
there
won't
be
an
odor
issue.
G
A
G
G
You
know
as
an
example
when
we
move
the
sludge,
you
know
a
sludge
pile
we,
the
drains
and
February
really
set
us
back.
So
we
have
this
huge
pile
of
wet
sludge,
and
so
when
we
move
it,
it
releases
ammonia,
it
smells
I
mean
you
know
so
we're
you
know.
We've
been
working
the
last
couple
of
weeks
with
our
contractor
to
just
get
the
entire
pile
moved
off-site
as
quick
as
we
can
so
then
it's
not
gonna
be
an
ongoing
issue.
You
know
we
try
to
minimize
this
stuff
as
much
as
possible.
G
A
I'm
wondering
is
Janet:
is
there
a
way
that
you
can
work
with
Doug
to
get
sort
of
a
statement
that
can
get
into
the
minutes?
That
you
know
indicates
that
we're
not
talking
about.
You
know
methane
gas
cuz,
that's
not
something
it
would
be
happening,
and
you
know
reference
to
the
seventy-eight
percent
reduction
in
the
odors
and
the
anaerobic
hs2,
and
exactly
how
that's
impacted,
cuz,
I,
think
it
by
statement
of
fact.
You
know
getting
that
into
the
minutes.
A
That's
about
the
only
place
that
we
have
that
do
that,
but
if
we
can,
if
we
can
work
together
on
that,
I'd,
certainly
like
it
because
I
like
dealing
the
facts.
If
we've
got
a
problem
and
it's
a
factual
problem,
then
let's
get
it
taken
care
of,
but
if,
in
fact
we
don't
have
a
problem,
let's
get
that
stated
as
well.
So.
E
A
E
Last
week
as
a
septic
pumper
was
emptying
his
load.
They
just
tip
it
up
and
his
raw
sewage
that
goes
down
into
a
drain,
and
it's
not
undercover.
It
did
smell.
That's
why
I
walked
over
there
to
look
at
it,
but
there
was
a
septic
pumping
truck
that
was
dumping,
his
load,
which
is
raw
sewage,
into
a
hole
in
the
ground,
and
my
point
is:
can
that
be
done
under
cover,
so
that
doesn't
cause
an
odor
as
well?
Well,.
G
G
We
we
struggle
with
that.
Sometimes
their
truck
gets
plugged
up
or
whatever,
and
they
think
they
can
just
dump
it
on
the
ground
and
that's
not
the
case.
You
know
we
deal
with
it
as
best
we
can
with
the
staff
we
have
available
and
they
they
all
the
pumpers
know
they're
well
aware
of
what
the
rules
are
and
how
they're
supposed
to
react
to
that
second
stuff,
Charlie.
A
E
G
The
the
sludge
is
generated
daily,
you
know
we
put
35,000
gallons
of
sludge
into
the
digester
and
35,000
down
the
day
comes
out
in
that
varies,
can
go
up
to
50,
to
75,000
gallons
a
day
and
so
with
when
we
won't
be
dry
that
or
when
we
we
put
it
in
the
sludge
beds.
That's
it.
It
looks
like
a
big
tank
that
just
sits
there
and
it
dries
or
we
use
mechanical
means
to
dry.
G
E
G
For
the
most
part,
things
are
done
the
same
every
day,
but
there's
always
exceptions
to
that.
There's
always
something
you
know.
If
we,
if
we
have
a
influent,
you
know
we
get
a
slug
of
something
we
don't
know
what
it
is
or
where
it
came
from,
but
it
can
affect
the
process
and
we
have
to
make
adjustments
and
sometimes
it'll
cause
odor
in
one
of
our
processes.
While
we're
trying
to
get
the
adjustment
to
take,
you
know-
and
it's
very
it's
very
variable,
but
we're
very
sensitive
to
the
odor
issues.
G
D
H
Couple
quick
questions.
First
of
all,
it
has
definitely
gotten
major,
better
majorly
better
over
the
last
several
months.
So
thank
you
for
that.
In
addition
to
that
just
curious,
besides
moving
the
sludge,
is
there
anything
else
in
the
process
that
typically
causes
the
order?
We've
noticed
it,
for
instance,
later
at
night,
when
there's
no
trucks
around
nobody's
doing
anything.
Yet
it
seems
to
happen
at
night
that
there's
more
of
an
odor,
so
we
were
just
curious.
Are
there
are
other
parts
of
the
processes
that
we
ought
to
be
aware
of.
G
G
That
being
said,
the
potential
is
there
for
us
to
get
that
slug
discharge
and
then
upsets
the
process
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
but
I
wouldn't
say
it
was
very
a
common
thing.
You
know,
even
though
the
units
that
get
upset
they're
called
gravity
thinkers,
they
get
upset,
there
are
odor
control,
they
do
have
odor
control
around
them,
but
sometimes
we
just
can't
catch
it
all.
If.
H
There
is
something
that
people
who
are
there
a
lot
notice
as
a
trend,
not
just
a
one
time
thing
where
there
could
be
an
issue,
but
hey
it's
been
really
bad
recently.
Is
there
someone?
Is
there
a
contact,
person
or
number
or
email
address
that
we
could
tell
people
hey,
send
that
let
them
know
they'd
probably
be
would
like
to
know
that.
That's
the
experience
that's
going
on.
G
It's
been
in
the
works
for
a
while
now,
because
I
had
to
get
it
set
up
on
our
end
for
our
personnel
to
be
available
at
that
phone
number,
but
we're
nearly
there
as
far
as
that
goes
and
would
like
to
post
signage.
That
says,
if
you
have
an
odor
problem,
call
this
number,
and
that
gives
us
a
chance
to
deal
with
it
immediately
when
I
get
a
call
from
somebody
three
or
four
days
later.
I
have
no
idea
what
happens
and
I
can't
fix
it.
G
I
And
it's
a
novice
and
all
of
this
and
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
on
why
a
waste
treatment,
plant
or
facility
was
a
police
next
to
a
park
and
I
mean.
Is
it
reasonable
to
even
think
that
it
gets
moved
it
just
doesn't
sound
healthy?
It
doesn't
sound,
safe,
I'm,
pretty
stunned
listening
to
this
conversation
of
sludge
and
waste
and
sewage,
and
it's
like
next
to
a
it's
it's
on
a
park.
Well,
it's
like
who
thought
of
that.
Oh.
I
G
My
personal
experience
would
be
no
I,
don't
think
that'd
be
possible,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
other
measures
can't
be
taken
to
minimize
the
odors
and
to
be
a
better
neighbor.
The
treatment
plan
was
first
put
in
in
1960
and
if
you
look
at
the
maps
from
1960,
there
wasn't
a
lot
out
there
and
they
pick
it
because
it's
a
lower
one
of
the
lower
points
in
the
city,
so
it's
all
gravity
flow
to
the
treatment
plant.
You
know
we
in
in
this
city.
G
We
only
have
five
lift
stations
which
are
on
south
of
the
treatment
plant.
They
have
to
pump
the
soil
back
up
to
it
and
whereas
everything
else
from
this
way
is
all
gravity
flow,
that's
why
they
place
them.
The
way
they
do
is
for
the
to
get
the
most
gravity
flow,
because
it's
basically
free
you
don't
have
to
pump
it.
G
There's
I
mean
I,
toured
a
plant
in
El
Segundo
last
week
and
they're
right
on
a
golf
course
right.
You
know,
have
neighbors
right
next
to
him,
I
mean
it's,
it's
the
nature
of
the
way
we
live.
I
guess
you
know
these
facilities
are
installed
years
and
years
ago,
and
you
know
everything
gets
built
up
to
them
similar
to
the
airport
situation
and
we
just
do
the
best.
We
can
do
mm-hmm.
E
I'd
like
to
make
a
suggestion:
I've
seen
barrels
with
the
odor
control,
they
really
work.
You
know
at
first
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
goofy
barrels
of
yeah,
it's
water
in
Pine,
Sol,
yeah,
Pines,
all
with
a
fan
blowing
that
that
was
the
way
to
cure
it,
but
actually
it
does
I
was
a
base
by
my
suggestion
is
that
the
sludge
pile
is
over
by
the
kids
park
and
that's
where
I
smell
it,
the
most
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
couldn't
put
some
barrels
blowing
that
way.
A
Absolutely
any
other
questions
or
concerns
I'd
like
to
personally.
Thank
you
for
attending.
This
is
the
second
meeting
you've
attended
to
help
us
through
this
and
I
realize
yours
isn't
a
a
an
easy
job
necessarily,
but
I
really
do
feel
like
you've
been
very
responsive.
You
know
I
hope
you'll
continue
to
work
with
us
and
well,
you
know,
try
to
achieve
I,
don't
know
that
we'll
ever
be
able
to
separate
that
Park
and
yeah.
You
know
what
you're
doing
there,
but
I
do
appreciate
your
working
with
us
and
I
realize.
Thank
you.
A
B
A
D
B
So
Stacy
is
here
to
discuss.
The
D
subcommittee
for
the
Duluth
dog
park
was
supposed
to
bring
back
recommendations
for
Stacy
so
that
her
and
I
could
work
together
on
putting
a
plan
on
what
that
would
financially.
Look
like
and
she'll
also
be
addressing
the
ballfield
lighting
issues
that
we've
been
experiencing.
I
Travis,
did
you
get
a
chance
to
swing
by
the
dog
park?
Okay,
so
Miguel
and
I
met
last
week
and
did
a
walkthrough
of
the
dog
park
and
we
asked
Travis
to
head
out
on
his
own.
We
didn't
get
a
chance
to
correspond,
but
I'll
be
really
interests.
Your
comments,
I'll
just
share
what
Miguel
and
I
thought
of,
and
then
we
can
have
a
group
discussion.
I
We
were
both
really
pleased
with
the
size,
it's
obviously
dry,
so
we
didn't
encounter
any
of
the
challenges
that
folks
in
the
winter
did,
and
so
we
had
a
pretty
wet
winter
and
it
from
what
I
was
told.
The
area
was
not
really
usable
due
to
that
kind
of
wetness
on
the
ground.
It
seemed
like
it
was
pretty
packed
as
far
as
the
sand
and
the
dirt.
I
Let's
see
the
other
thing
was
we
thought
the
water
was
great
and
they
actually
had
a
hose
attached
to
a
spigot,
which
was
super
good
in
addition
to
the
fountain.
So
that
was
great.
We
had
some
concern
around
dog
bowls.
You
know
they
just
pop
up
at
the
dog
park
and
they're
not
maintained
they're,
not
the
city's
dog
bowls,
so
they're
not
maintained
they're,
not
clean,
and
that's
where
we
find
most
of
the.
I
What
would
you
call
that?
Well,
it's
the
you
know:
it's
it's
communal
diseases.
You
know
like,
like
viruses
and
bacterias
and
stuff
like
that,
would
grow
there.
We
would
recommend
that
there
be
a
ban,
a
band
on
all
personal
dog
bowls,
just
the
limits
eliminate
like
eliminated
like
so
that
it's
not
there
to
hose
the
water.
That
seemed
like
a
really
good
solution.
I
There
was
plenty
of
seating
and
no
shade
so
shade
would
be
a
recommendation,
so
some
sort
of
shade
some
sort
of
ground
covering
that
could
eliminate
or
reduce
the
foxtails
and
absorb
in
the
winter.
We
thought
mulch
was
a
good
one,
the
voles,
and
then
that
was
those
were
the
three
things.
Otherwise
we
thought
it
was
a
really
good
use
of
space
Travis.
What
were
your
thoughts
as
you
walked
around.
C
Well,
one
I
want
to
say
you
know
that
space
I
think
for
the
dog
park
community,
there's
been
sort
of
a
lot
of
grumbling
about
it
and
I
think
sometimes
unfair,
because
it
started
as
this
extra
space
right
that
we
were
gonna
do
when
we
had
problems
with
the
main
dog
parks
by
City
Hall
and
some
of
the
users
didn't
understand
that.
So
there's
been
complaints,
but
why
didn't
they
put
grass
there?
C
Well,
we
want
to
get
eliminate
grass
right,
but
there's
been
a
misconception
that
somehow
this
was
supposed
to
be
a
brand
new
dog
park
with
us
all
the
same
kind
of
bells
and
whistles
that
our
main
dog
parks
have
at
City,
Hall
and
so
I
think.
That's
one
reason
we
get
complaints
about
it,
that
people
didn't
understand
that
this
was
supposed
to
be
something
extra,
that
we
were
doing
you
know,
but
now
it's
grown
into
something
more
I,
guess
that
we
want
to
keep
which
you
know
was
one
goal.
C
So
for
me
it's
a
little
hard
to
get
out
of
my
head.
This
idea
that
you
know
people
should
be
happy
with
what
we
have
given
them
in
some
ways,
but
we're
kind
of
beyond
that
point,
I
think,
and
so
the
complaints
I've
heard
about
this
number
one
is
the
shade
issue.
You
know,
and
that
was
the
the
complaint
at
the
small
temporary
park
as
well.
C
When
that
was
there,
it's
just.
You
know
them,
especially
in
the
morning
times
it's
just
so
hot
there,
because
well
the
Sun
is
coming
down.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
ground
cover
I've
asked
you
from
people,
mulched
I
think
they
use
some
kinda
mulch
at
the
Cathedral
City
Park
like
Pont
row
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
complaints
about
that
and
picking
up
waste
and
all
sorts
of
stuff.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
is
really
a
magic
solution.
C
I
know
at
the
park
we
have
here,
especially
on
the
small
side,
the
when
we
put
in
the
thick
gravel.
The
complaint
has
been
on
the
small
site
that
it's
just
too
big
for
the
little
dogs
and
eventually,
hopefully
when
that
goes
away,
we'll
get
something
better
for
the
little
dogs,
so
I
guess
I'm,
just
trying
to
say
that
any
cover
we
put
I
think
we're
gonna
have
complaints,
I,
just
think.
That's
gonna
gonna
happen.
C
You
know,
I
mean
the
idea
that
we
didn't
weren't
gonna
have
anything
but
sort
of
dirt
there,
because
we
didn't
want
the
turf
and
it
was
an
alternative
when
they
have
to
reseed
people.
Don't
appreciate
that
understand,
understand
that
so
I
really
don't
have
any.
What
people
I've
talked
to
have
all
sorts
of
ideas.
People
want
artificial
grass.
They
want
real
grass.
They
want
this
or
that
so,
and
this
on
the
dot.
I
didn't
I,
didn't
pick
up
on
the
dog
bowl
thing.
C
I
mean
that's
a
issue
at
the
current
Park,
but
you
know
I
would
say
trying
to
police
anything
like
that.
It's
so
difficult!
You
know,
especially
the
dog
park.
Community
they're,
just
gonna
come
back
and
I
hate
to
say
it.
If
we
put
a
sign
up,
no
balls,
we'll
probably
get
more
bowls,
I
really
really
think
we
will
I
mean
so
I
mean
I,
think
all
those
are
good
ideas
them
and
the
Giardia
issue
is
really
something
that
the
owners
need
to
take
ownership
up
and
and
clean
those
bowls
out.
C
You
know
to
remedy
that,
and
a
lot
of
people
do,
but
some
people-
don't
so
I
mean
I.
Guess
in
the
upshot,
I
mean
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
space.
Anything
we
can
do
a
pretty
much
critically
shade,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
have
people
that
are
always
not
gonna
stand
that
this
is
sort
of
another
option.
They
can
go
to
the
other
Park
obvious.
We
want
to
make
it
as
good
as
we
can
yeah.
So
one.
A
Of
things
I'd
like
to
do
Cynthia
is
if
we
could
publish
a
little
story
about
why
we
created
that
Park.
It
was
to
back
up
the
park
when
they're
doing
things,
but
it
was
also
the
whole
concept
we
discussed
at
length.
The
fact
that
it
was
an
alternative
to
a
mountainside
park
where
you
know
I'm
sorry,
but
the
mountainsides
who
wouldn't
grass
them
you
wouldn't
create
an
environment
that
was,
you,
know,
shaded
and
absolutely
perfect.
It
would
just
be
using
space
that
we
had
and
trying
to
bring
it.
A
You
know
around
I,
like
the
idea
of
mulch
I,
like
the
idea.
I
am
a
little
worried
about
the
bolts.
I
know.
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
who
refuse
to
use
any
other
dog
parks
because
they
swear
everywhere.
You
go,
there
was
gr
to
be
had.
My
thought
is
I
agree
with
you.
If
people
would
wash
the
bowls,
unfortunately,
that
doesn't
mean
rinsing
it
with
cold
water,
though,
to
be
able
to
cleanse
a
ball.
You
wouldn't
wash
dishes
like
that
at
home
and
there's
probably
not
a
good
space
for
that
to
be
done.
A
It
may
just
be
that
one
people
go
through
to
do
cleaning
on
a
daily
basis.
You
throw
out
the
bowls
and
I
don't
mean
in
the
garbage
can
right
there,
because
people
will
pull
it
out.
But
if
that
protects
the
animals
I
know
several
people,
I've
talked
to
say:
there's
hole
the
hose
out
and
the
dog
laps
it
up,
and
it
does
find
my
dogs
wouldn't
understand
that
at
all.
If
you
please
crystal
ball,
please,
but
so
I
I
think
good.
No.
I
I
Stacy,
can
you
do
this?
Can
you
just
price
out
what
just
basics
and,
like
you
know,
if
we
lived
in
the
Bay
Area
like
no
one,
goes
to
the
beach
with
their
dog
and
thinks
that
they're
gonna
get
turf
like
they're
really
happy
at
the
beach
and
talks
are
happy
at
the
beach
they're
running
around
in
the
sand,
and
it
is
not
as
windy
and
I.
Don't
think
it
has
the
same
kind
of
risk
as
if
this
was
up
in
the
north
side
of
town.
I
J
Bigger
concern,
is
it
blows?
My
sand
would
then
become
a
hazard
potentially
for
the
ball
fields
of
players
for
the
golf
course,
so
that
would
kind
of
probably
add
add
to
the
issue
that
we're
already
having
what
we
have
right
now.
As
you
know,
it
is
compacted.
We
actually
take
the
tractors
in
there
once
a
year
and
we
basically
shred
it
all
out.
J
We
compact
it
down
and
at
that
point
there's
sea
put
on
that,
helps
with
dust
control
and
that's
usually
on
the
off
season
babe
when
it
was
at
the
end
of
one
of
the
wet
season,
so
we're
trying
to
hold
that
down
because
as
it
dries
out
is
when
we
have
a
better
potential,
more
blowing
dust
and
debris.
Mulch
is
definitely
an
option.
We
could
look
at
that
I,
don't
know
the
logistics
of
how
we
would
have
to
sanitize
that
I
would
have
to
find
out
what
that
would
mean.
J
J
You
can
there's
rubberized
mulch,
there's
tree
bark
mulch
there
cedar,
you
name
it,
you
can
get
it
generally.
You
will
to
do
that.
The
expense
isn't
necessarily
the
mulch.
It's
actually
prepping
the
area
because
it
will
have
to
dig
down
we'll
have
to
make
borders
to
keep
it
in
and
then
obviously
purchase
and
lay
and
then
refill
as
needed
and
I.
Don't
we
could
absolutely
put
in
the
growth
retardant
underneath
that
so
that
would
eliminate
the
and
again
remember
this
is
up
against
the
golf
course.
J
So
some
of
the
growth
of
the
plant
material,
we're
not
necessarily
gonna,
have
full
control
over.
We
we
have
landscapers
in,
and
we
obviously
have
our
own
staff
that
go
in
there
with
some
frequency
and
and
we
can
definitely
target
the
foxtail
season
as
a
higher
priority
for
just
obvious
safety
reasons.
But
I
can
get
you
numbers
on
mulch.
We
can
look
at
I
know
somebody
has
suggested
astroturf,
that's
a
possibility.
I
do
want
to
warn
you
there's
a
heat
concern.
J
Same
thing,
a
DG
we
could
definitely
put
in
DG.
You
know
the
decomposed
granite
helps
keep
the
the
debris
down
again.
It's
something
we
have
to
replenish
with
some
frequency
and
I
do
believe.
It
gets
a
little
hotter
than
the
soft
dirt
that
we
have
out
there
that
it's
slightly
conditioned
what
we
have
out
there
right
and
yeah
again.
We
we
fence
this
in
with
just
the
idea
of
having
a
place
for
people
to
go
during
the
overseeding
and
and
I'm
thrilled
that
we're
moving
forward.
J
J
Honestly,
the
pricing
for
these
and
aside
from
the
actual
physical
materials,
it's
the
engineering
of
them,
of
whatever
structure
we
we
choose
to
build.
We
have
to
calculate
for
wind,
shear
weights.
All
of
those
are
factored
so
really
once
we
get,
I
can
do
some
preliminary,
but
off
the
top,
I
would
say.
Probably
the
sales
wind
sales
are
probably
gonna,
be
the
most
cost-effective
trees
actually
I'm,
sorry
trees.
The
most
cost-effective.
D
A
Have
to
wait
scanners
for
those
we
have
to
wait
10
years
for
the
trees
to
mature
enough.
J
A
E
A
C
One
reason
trees
are
so
great
right
because
if
you
look,
which
is
the
small
dog
parked
people
will
move
those
chairs
with
the
shade
and-
and
we
haven't
had
this
problem
lately
but
you'll
see
actually
where
the
grass
kind
of
you
know
starts
dying
or
getting
used
is
because
it
follows
the
shade
too,
although,
interestingly,
when
we
renovated
the
park
and
put
that
concrete
area
with
a
small
area
in
the
back
there,
underneath
that
shade
structure
sort
of
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
park
that
was
never
really
used
before,
but
now
that
there's
concrete
there
people
are
are
using
it.
C
C
So
they're
kind
of
two
different
kind
of
audiences.
Of
that
you
know
so
I
think
you
could
create
some
kind
of
shade.
We
give
people
some
break,
you
know,
but
they
don't
I,
don't
think
they
need
it
just
to
congregate.
Under
there,
like
you
see,
you
got
the
small
dog
park
so
when
you're
looking
at
structures,
something
that
kind
of
think
about,
maybe
so.
C
J
A
Of
the
things
they
did
I
know
we
can't
pay
for
a
shade
study,
but
one
of
the
things
they
did
with
the
downtown
park
was
literally,
they
showed
a
planting
session
and
they
showed
what
time
of
day
and
what
time
of
year
son
would
be
directive,
and
that
may
be
something
that
we
actually
have
to
do
is
to
figure
out
kinda.
What's
the
best
place
and
the
angle
to
have
things
so
that
it
creates
the
largest
amount
of
shade
I,
don't
think
anybody
complained
if
there
was
too
much
shade.
D
I
I
I
A
B
Then
I
think
too.
If
we
put
up
a
sign,
you
know
that
says:
please
take
your
own
water
bowl.
Don't
leave
it
here
because
and
then
put
a
warning
saying
it
breeds
disease
I.
Don't
think
a
lot
of
people
would
want
to
you
know:
maybe
they'll
take
it.
Oh
I
don't
want
to
be
spreading
diseases
to
other
dogs
or
I.
Don't
want
my
dogs
to
keep
getting
this
from
other.
You
know
from
these
dog
bowls,
so
I
don't
know
just
kind
of
a
precaution.
C
I
want
to
belabor
it,
but
I
mean
one
of
the
sources
of
this
disease
is
not
just
the
bowls
it's.
This
will
mean
little
swimming
pools,
they're
really
filthy,
the
dogs
drink
out
of
them,
but
they
go
in
them
with
their
paws
and
it's
just
the
breeding
ground.
You
know
there
have
been
some
people
who
removed
those
little
pools
and
they
come
right
back
and
in
fact,
I
think
at
one
point
people
were
chaining
the
pools
to
the
fence,
so
I
could
see
that
happening
with
the
water
bowls
as
well
and
say,
seize
issue.
J
C
Property
when
it's
been
chained
up
to
the
fence,
so
it
you
know
one
common-sense
solution.
Just
people
find
a
way
around
these
issues.
So
you
know,
but
to
the
point
about
the
sign
is
yes,
you
that
was
something
I
was
gonna
bring
up
at
Commissioner
comments
mean
we
have
a
real
signage
issue
at
the
dog
park.
Now
I
mean
those
signs
need
to
be
consolidated,
but
another
sign
up
that
was
something
I
was
gonna.
Ask
that
we
could
put
on
the
agenda
to
because
we
have
sign
after
sign
after
sign.
C
C
J
One
of
the
solutions
to
which
and
I
think
I've
had
that
feedback
to
about
sign
pollution,
in
particular
at
the
dog
park.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
the
message
board
there
and,
as
we
end
I,
think
for
me
the
goal.
My
understanding
was
that
where
we
have
more
temporary
situations
like
maybe
right
now,
if
we
have
an
influx
of
certain
type
of
disease
or
some
type
of
exposure,
that
may
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
educate
people
with
that
message,
or
rather
than
adding
another
series
of
signs
that.
A
J
A
They'd
be
fine
but
I
like
Commissioner
Armstrong's
idea
of
you
know
letting
the
beauty
of
the
fence
show
through
where
we
need
to,
because
I
think
we
have
probably
slap
a
few
signs
out
and
presense
a
lot
of
signs
on
it
for
one
of
the
other
I
look
good.
Do
you
really
cuz
there's
another
item
that
right.
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
all
on
the
same
page,
so
you're
gonna,
look
at
mulch
or
DG
and
come
back
and
we
talked
about
shade.
We
know
the
foxtails
were
an
issue.
You
responded
to
the
water
bowl
which
will
figure
that
one
out
as
a
round
signage
or
posting
on
message
boards,
or
something
like
that.
The
other
thing
was
the
blue
trash
cans.
All
the
trash
cans
in
the
park
are
blue,
which
is
like
insane
because
everywhere
else
in
the
city
and
most
of
the
state
blue
is
recycle
and
brown.
I
Even
in
our
homes
we
have
a
blue
trash,
can
a
green
trash
can
and
a
brown
trash
can
and
so
we're
raising
a
society
to
reduce
our
carbon
footprint
by
having
this
and
all
the
trash
cans
are
blue
and
you
walk
around
with
dog
waste.
You
know,
because,
if
you're
not
using
the
large
dark
park
and
you're
just
walking
around
the
park
and
you're
like
what
do
I
do
with
this,
not
knowing
that
you
can
put
it
in
a
blue
can
so
we've
got
to
think
the.
J
Blue
cans
well
they're
disappearing
rapidly,
first
and
foremost,
so
that's
a
unique
problem.
The
the
blue
cans
actually
are
for
recycling.
The
goal
was:
those
are
temporary
cans.
Those
are
supposed
to
be
put
out,
especially
when
we
have
ball
games
where
we
generate
a
lot
of
bottles,
plastic
bottles,
cans.
That's
what
they're
for
they're
the
permanent
trash
cans
are
the
concrete
ones
and
the
metal
ones.
J
J
Standardize,
the
tribe
type
of
trash
cans
they'd
like
to
see
in
the
parks
that
would
be
I,
don't
know
if
it's
gonna
be
a
combined
bin
or
signed
by
sides
with
the
color
code.
But
the
idea
with
the
blue
bins.
They
were
supposed
to
be
recycling
and
they
were
all
supposed
to.
There
was
also
supposed
to
be
temporary
black
trash
cans
as
well,
so.
A
J
Well,
if
those
those
the
idea
was
those
were
supposed
to
be
recycled
and
those
were
supposed
to
be
placed
out
and
in
particular
moment
for
events,
and
it
was
really
the
idea
or
where
we
could
temporarily.
If,
when
we
needed
to
read
soccer
fields
over
here
for
this
day
and
then
BOOM
run
them
over
to
the
softball
fields.
But
once
that
standard
comes
through
from
sustainability
and
we're
gonna
match
that
across
all
parts,
the.
J
Well,
so
we
we
discussed
this
today
and
one
of
our
meetings.
Long
and
short,
is
our
ball
field
lights,
our
metal
halide.
For
most
you,
that
means
nothing.
It's
a
very
specific
old
technology.
It's
a
type
of
light
fixture
that
is
hot
and
efficient
and
not
eco-friendly,
and
the
world
has
decided
to
stop
making
them
yes,
but
that
means
we
get
to
retrofit.
J
We
have
purchased
everything
that
we
can
find
in
the
valley
and
replacement
bulbs
for
what
we
have
right
now
and
we
will
obviously
reach
out
as
far
as
we
can
give
ourselves
a
little
breathing
room.
The
other
issue
is
a
good
chunk
of
the
lights
in
particular
at
Duluth.
We
believe
are
original
to
the
parks
conception,
so
my
vineyards
aren't
really
sure
that
they
are
willing
to
put
new
light
fixtures
in
there.
J
A
J
Wood,
poles
are
probably
there's
only
a
few
of
those,
thankfully
the
laser.
No,
nobody
wants
to
work
on
that
and
we
also
again
this
look
not
just
a
minute.
This
also
includes
the
stadium
and
Cerritos,
it's
citywide,
so
it's
a
rather
intensive
project.
The
other
issue
we're
having
and
I'm
sure
we're
all
aware,
because
the
wiring
was
buried
underground
between
ball
fields.
J
One
of
the
issues
we
came
across
as
the
conduit
I,
don't
know
if
it's
due
to
age
or
how
it
was
done
and
when
it
was
done,
but
we've
got
shorts
in
the
wiring
running,
pretty
good
blinks
long
long
stretches
long
runs
and
there's
crossover.
So
let's
say
this
is
the
conduit
of
wiring
from
ballfield
7
to
ballfield
a
and
we
know,
there's
a
short
in
air.
Imagine
this
is
150
200
feet.
The
issue
is
now
there's
utilities
running
here
and
here
and
water
here,
so
it
all
has
to
be
hand
dug.
J
A
A
It
brings
to
mind
my
concern
is
I
mean
there
have
been
issues
in
not
in
our
parks
but
in
parks
throughout
the
country
where
there
was
a
short
in
a
light
fixture
which
a
child
gets
their
hand
close
to
and
gets
electrocuted
and
I
do
worry
about
the
wires
going
underground,
I
know
they're
underground,
but
dirt
conducts
right
electricity.
We.
J
A
A
A
B
One
of
the
things
that
I
will
be
looking
at
doing
is
Major
League
Baseball
does
have
grant
dollars
available
for
lighting,
so
I
will
be
working
with
Stacy
and
Musco
to
come
and
basically
do
a
walk-through
of
the
facilities
and
and
see
what
it's
gonna
cost
us
to
replace
Major
League
Baseball
does
require
us
to
do
some
portion
of
the
match.
I,
don't
know
how
much
it
is.
It
could
be
up
to
50%,
but
that
is
an
option
that
we
do
have
so
and.
D
J
A
B
There
grant
process
is
quarterly.
The
the
next
time
we
can
submit
will
be
in
the
beginning
of
July,
so
I
will
reach
out
to
Moscow
and
then
set
up
an
appointment
so
that
we
can
do
a
walk-through
and
then
once
we
get
back
the
information
from
there,
then
Stacey
and
I
can
sit
down
and
say:
okay,
so
if
they're
requiring
us
to
match
this
much
money,
where
are
we
gonna
be
able
to
get
that
from
before?
We
really
move
forward
to
apply
for
that
grant.
B
A
But
let's,
let's
also
look
at
philanthropic
participation,
so
we
can
so
talk
to
the
subcommittee
who
who
goes
out
and
looks
for
money.
I.
Think.
That's
me,
I
want
to
say
it
Jeff
and
junior
and
and
see
if
you
know,
in
addition
to
looking
for
City
dollars.
If
there's
somebody
who
has
a
passion
for
baseball
and
and
helping
us,
it
would
match
up.
I
mean
we've
got
certainly
got
a
lot
of
people
from
the
baseball
world
in
Palm
Springs,
although
maybe
an
a
former
owner
of
the
A's,
it
doesn't
hurt
to
ask
so
I
I.
A
B
D
J
To
see
and
that's
a
separate
issue
and
that's
what
I
was
talking
about
with
the
trenching
and
all
that
we
are
with
our
as
a
charter,
city
and
I-
think
all
governments
have
this:
there's
a
certain
dollar
amount.
When
you
exceed
that
you
have
to
get
well
for
us,
we
would
see
five
thousand.
We
need
to
get
three
bits
and
the
bids
have
to
be
apples
to
apples.
J
They
have
to
be
exactly
the
same,
each
of
your
vendors
and,
of
course,
that
means
scheduling
time
to
get
the
vendor
out
there,
hoping
they
show
up
you're
out
there
you
walk
through
the
whole
process
is
what
we
need.
This
go
for
right
now
in
this
situation,
we're
in
up
there,
where
we
need
six
quotes
from
vendors
and
finding
six
vendors
in
this
area
that
even
do
this
and
scheduling
them
and
we're
working
on
it
that
that's
a
separate
issue
in
this.
That's
a
repair
and
we
are
working
on
that.
We
will
get
that
result.
J
A
J
A
J
A
A
E
We
were
real
excited
at
first
with
all
the
talk
that
we
had
and
about
two
hours
before
our
meeting
I
got
a
call
from
the
chair
of
major
J
and
I
kind
of
come
into
the
meeting,
so
dejected
I,
don't
know
what
to
say
to
everybody.
He
said
I
guess:
I
got
a
little
ahead
of
myself
in
talking
last
meeting
and
I
brought
it
up.
What
we
were
doing,
he
says:
I
got
shut
down
rather
quickly
by
the
other
commissioners,
a
major
J.
E
They
said,
you're
overstepping,
what
we're
doing
the
money
was
directed
for
overflow
at
the
downtown
park,
any
money's
gone
to
Parks
and
Recreation.
So
we
sat
and
talked
for
a
good
hour
and
a
half
I
guess
on
how
we
can
get
around
this
and
what
we've
got
to
do.
Currently,
what
we
are
doing
is
we
have
requested
meeting
with
dr.
Reddy
and
Jeff
Coors
so
that
the
group
of
us
can
sit
down
and
say
who's
paying
for
bathrooms,
who's
paying
for
sunrise,
Park
redevelopment
projects.
Who
is
that
how
it
said
who's
paying
for
this?
E
Are
these
major
J?
Are
these
city
budget?
Are
these
things
that
we're
kind
of
lost
dr.
Rudd?
He
told
us
to
the
bathrooms:
Ellen
went
to
the
major
J
meeting
last
Thursday
and
they
had
their
list
of
things
listed
out
of
what
they
were.
Gonna
do
and
the
bathrooms
are
on
there.
Now
we're
really
kind
of
confused.
Why
the
bathrooms
on
the
major
J
money
we
thought
that
was
set
up
from
another
fund,
so
right
now
we're
kind
of
confused.
Until
we
sat
down
with
dr.
E
Reddy
and
we
had
the
meeting
set,
then
it
was
we're
trying
to
get
a
new
date,
because
the
date
had
conflicts
for
several
reasons,
and
so
that's
what
we're
working
on
do.
Ellen
did
you
have
anything
to
add
from
your
major
J
attendance.
What
we
were
looking
at
money
was
for
the
2122
season,
they're
just
approving
the
19
another
2021
season.
We
were
looking
at
21
22.
The
other
thing
I
will
add,
is
groundbreaking.
Downtown
is
now
set
for
2020.
It
was
that
for
18
well
with
groundbreaking
20/20
finished
of
the
park
and
22.
I
Mean
I'll
I'll,
just
start
and
say:
I
think
you
just
did
a
great
job
of
really
the
overview.
I
think
we
were
surprised
to
see
parks
and
recs
projects
on
measure
J
when
we
were
under
the
impression
that
the
restrooms
and
dr.
Reddy
actually
sat
here
at
a
public
meeting
and
responded
to
people
in
the
audience
that
restrooms
were
going
to
be
taken
care
of,
and
so
on.
The
measure
J
roster
of
fundable
project
projects.
It
was
broken
down
into
segments
and
it
wasn't
necessarily
what
was
presented
to
dr.
I
Reddy
and
then
what
he
in
turn
told
the
community.
And
then
we
were
a
little
surprised
that
sunrise,
Park
and
the
redevelopment
of
sunrise
Park
was
on
the
measure
J
roster
as
well.
We
were
pretty
surprised.
It
ended
up
there.
We
weren't
really
quite
sure
who
came
up
with
a
2.5
million
dollar
budget
for
pickleball
courts
at
sunrise
park
and
then
the
description
of
why
we
would
put
pickleball
courts
there.
So
I
really
think
it.
We
were
just
pretty
good
left,
somewhat
confused,
I,
think
the
meeting
with
dr.
I
Reddy
and
which
F
course
will
be
really
helpful.
I'll
probably
have
more
to
report
back
and
in
the
meantime,
I
did
download
some
pickleball
prices
from
other
cities
and
again
pretty
surprised
at
the
2.5
million.
When
pickleball
courts
are
under
a
million
dollars
for
anywhere
from
eight
courts
to
16
courts.
So
but
yeah
I
think
you
did
a
good
job
with
you
overview.
H
I
think
commissioner
Goodman
did
a
good
job
of
summing.
It
up.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
at
our
subcommittee
meeting
was
really
how
to
position
the
urgency
of
this
I'm
really
not
sure
what
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
means
on
this
roster.
Does
that
mean
that
they're
budgeting
us
for
that?
H
Forget
a.da
issues
as
well.
We
have
all
these
issues
to
talk
about
it's
a
matter
of
time
until
somebody
gets
hurt
because
there's
just
not
appropriate
reasonable
facilities
and
people
have
short
memories.
You
know
those
of
us
were
here
last
summer
we
had
a
hot
summer
and
somebody
died
in
one
of
our
city
parks
playing
on
the
courts,
and
we
talked
about
it
at
a
City
Commission
meeting
afterwards
about
getting
Aedes
automatic
emergency
defibrillators
put
in
as
part
of
the
bathroom
renovations.
H
A
So
we
can
ask
councilman,
Coors
and
and
doctor
ready
about
that
because
it
may
be
that
were
covered,
but
these
just
don't
explain
it,
but
I
will
tell
you,
as
any
budget
works,
the
twenty
four
items
listed
here,
our
forty
two
point,
nine
million.
And
what
will
happen?
Is
we
say
how
much
do
we
have
and
you
count
down
the
number
of
items
cuz.
These
are
ranked
by
oh
I
thought
these
were
ranked
by
their
order
of
importance.
I
E
A
A
Absolutely
if
it's,
if,
if
we
need
to
be
pushing
past
it,
but
I
would
like
to
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
concisely
and
quickly
go
through
our
issues,
so
we
may
want
to
meet
in
advance
to
get
our
light
items
together
so
that
we
have
a
quick.
You
know
30
minute
presentation
of
what
our
issues
are
and
then
let
them
talk
to
us
about
what
we
need
to
do.
Cuz
I,
believe
councilman
chorus
was
a
little
surprised
that
some
of
this
stuff
was
was
ordered.
A
I
I
think
it
brings
up
the
really
informing
our
the
commissioners
like
what's
really
going
on
so
I
was
really
surprised
to
see
these
things
on
measure
Jays
roster,
and
it
was
never
submitted
to
the
parks
and
recs
commissioners
that
this
was
actually
going
to
end
up
on
their
roster
that
they
were
going
to
talk
about
it.
Where
did
they
get
the
numbers
from
the
explanations?
None
of
it
was
consistent,
so
I
kind
of
felt
like
bamboozled
or
like
hoodwinked
I
was
like
wait
a
minute.
I
We
didn't
talk
about
this
and
who
put
that
on
there
and
at
you
know
so.
I
really
felt
that
parks
and
recs
Commission
was
really
neglected
in
this
whole
conversation
and
I,
and
that
is
a
commission
to
Commission
in
a
city
issue.
So
I
don't
know
if
somebody
needs
to
look
into
that
or
before
things
get
on
other
Commission's
agendas
and
rosters,
it
would
be
nice
if
we
were
informed
like
I
said:
I
just
showed
up
at
the
meeting
as
somebody
in
the
audience
and
was
really
surprised.
Well,.
A
You
know
a
a
way
that
things
get
documented
relative
to
people's.
You
know
measure
Jay
I'm,
not
quite
sure
that
they
operate
caring
about
Commission's,
it's
more
projects
that
they
feel
are
in
order
and
and
yeah
I
think
they
think
more
about
where
they
can
apply
the
funds,
as
opposed
to
those
of
us
that
are
impacted
by
it.
So
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I
mean
there.
A
There's
been
discussion
in
city
council
about
a
coriander
meeting
of
council
members
and
a
representative
from
each
of
the
Commission's
I
thought
that
would
have
started
already
it
hasn't,
but
that
would
have
been
a
great
place
to
say
by
the
way
we're
working
on
our
you
know,
process
and
we'd
say
well,
keep
us
in
there,
because
we've
got
big
things
that
we
need.
So
let.
I
Me
give
you
an
example:
like
the
library,
it's
not
gonna
break
ground,
or
it's
not
gonna
even
start
its
renovations,
at
least
for
five
years,
and
the
library
shows
up
at
every
one
of
those
meetings
and
there's
someone
who
is
on
the
measure
J
commission,
who
is
on
the
library
board
and
they're
having
conversations
about
every
year.
They're
gonna
get
five
million
dollars
until
they
get
to
their
number.
So
five
years
from
now,
they
got
20
million
dollars
to
build
a
new
library.
So
I
mean
it's
kind
of
feels
out
of
place.
Well,.
A
I
would
remind
you
all
that
commissioners
don't
select
the
money
the
city
spent,
so
they
can
be
jostling
as
much
as
they
want
and
measured
Jake
and
jostle
as
much
as
they
want.
But
five
people
sitting
in
that
room
next
to
us
are
the
ones
that
decide
what
gets
spent
where
no
matter
what
recommendations
come
forward.
So
just
because
somebody's
asking
for
it
doesn't
mean
it'll
necessarily
happen
well,.
E
B
C
There's
one
more
comment
on
measure
day
and
parks:
I
mean
this
problem
that
you've
been
talking
about,
goes
back
to
the
very
start
of
measure
J
when
the
city
asks
the
residents
of
the
city
to
submit
projects
and
measure
J
went
on
and
projects
that
have
all
parks
like
funding
a
Veterans
Park
that
never
went
to
before
this
commission
and
over
the
years.
This
very
repeatedly
said
that
they're
gonna
solve
this
issue
a
more
communication,
so
they
weren't
approving
things
that
commissioners
had
nothing.
C
You
know
nothing
about,
and
here
we
are
many
years
later
and
the
city
has
never
really
corrected
this
problem,
but
I
think
broader.
You
know
issue
when
you
guys
are
talking
about
how
these
things
initiative
measure
J,
is
you
know
the
city
sold
measure
J,
a
lot
of
talking
points
parks
was
being
one
of
them
and
what
I
find
disturbing
is
the
narrative
that
the
city
are.
C
Oh
and
when
the
city
officials
say
this
huge
percentage
is
going
to
parks
its
a
downtown
park,
which
is
a
whole
different,
different
animal,
because
there
are
people
in
our
community,
you
think's,
the
parks
are
getting.
You
know
big
share
of
measure,
J
funds,
and
it's
not
not
really
correct.
That's.
A
A
good
point:
Commissioner,
I'm,
sorry,
and
especially
in
that
the
belief
is
that
all
of
our
local
parks
are
attended
by
local
people,
but
that
downtown
park.
There's
a
big
question
mark
over
it
as
to
whether
or
not
that's
really
geared
for
those
of
us
that
live
here
or
the
thought
is
those
will
be
the
people
who
visit
and
stay
in
hotels.
A
It
will
be
using
that
park
and
as
nice
as
I'd
like
it
to
be
for
other
people
and
like
our
parks
for
all
of
the
people
who
live
here
full
time
to
be
better
all
right.
We're
gonna,
move
on
to
the
discussion
of
the
fees
and
review
of
the
budget.
Yeah
I
was
gonna.
Ask
you
to
take
it
Cynthia,
but
I.
Think
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
we've
already
approved
the
fee
schedule.
Did
we
not,
and
we
were
only
left
it.
B
Just
so
yeah,
however,
I
made
a
mistake
in
there
were
six
particular
fees
from
the
programming
section
that
I
did
attach
in
your
guys's
mailing
this
past
week.
That
weren't
spelled
out
correctly
in
the
original
programming
fee
schedule
that
you
guys
had
approved
prior
to
this
meeting.
So
I
am
bringing
it
forward
so
that
I
can
get
some
direction
on
that
on.
If
you're
going
to
accept
those
six
or
seven
that
I
did
send
out
additionally
or
if
we're
not
gonna,
move
that
forward.
So.
A
B
And
as
I
stated
before,
I
made
a
mistake
in
not
these
fees
right
here
for
programming,
we're
not
in
the
document
that
I
had
originally
handed
you.
Unfortunately,
I
had
some
confusion
going
on
with
everything
that
was
going
this
way
and
didn't
actually
realize
this,
probably
until
a
week
or
two
after
that
meeting
so.
A
Let's
take
two
approaches:
let's
take
an
amendment
approach
with
these,
so
this,
if
if
we
can
entertain
them
if
these
are
acceptable
and
we're
going
to
discuss
them
for
a
few
minutes
weekend,
but
I'd
like
to
make
an
amendment
to
our
prior
priests
cut
fee
schedule.
If
these
are
acceptable
and
then
we
can
discuss
the
facility
rentals
and
that
would
be
approval
or
denial
right.
So
with
that
being
said,
as
you
look
at
these
fees,
are
there
issues
or
are
these
acceptable,
as
as
designed
here.
A
I
B
B
A
B
A
Well,
in
remembering
that
that
the
fees
are
considered
local
if
they
live
in
Palm
Springs,
if
they
tend
attend
a
Palm
Springs
school,
if
their
parents
make
their
income
from
a
company
in
Palm
Springs
or
if
their
parents
work
for
the
city
correct,
they
would
qualify
for
the
present
lesser
the
resident
rate.
So
only
those
parents
who
are
bringing
their
kids
in
from
Desert
Hot
Springs
that
do
not
live
in
and
endure
work
or
they
attend
school,
will
be
paying
the
higher
fee.
A
A
30,
well,
20,
on
a
half
day
and
30
on
a
full
day,
but
I
will
commit
that
to
them
so
that
they
understand
that
we
could
in
fact
charge
them
the
standard
fee
and
they
could
make
up
the
difference
if
the
city
chose
to
do.
If
that
City
chose
to
do
it.
Is
that
something
I
need
to
get
commitment
from
finance
or
dr.
Reddy
on.
A
A
B
Current
so
currently
there's
a
membership
fee
that
a
majority
of
our
participants
pay
when
they
come
to
participate
in
any
one
of
our
community
centers
and
it's
essentially
giving
them
access
to,
let's
say:
DeMuth,
for
instance,
they
pay
the
membership
and
they
have
access
to
the
workout
room,
the
gym.
Obviously,
if
there's
a
contract
class,
then
they
have
to
pay
that
differential
price
for
that,
but
then
they
do
have
access
to
the
facility
with
that
membership
fee,
the
Swim,
Center
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
this
one
Center
has
the
membership
fee.
B
Right
and
again
we
go
back
to
the
they
do.
The
card
where
that
has
25
basically
use
on
that
card
and
they
pay
a
certain
amount
which
is
cheaper
than
paying
the
per
visit.
I
can't
really
give
you
a
whole
much
more
detail
for
that,
because
I
don't
know
it.
I
just
know
that
those
things
have
been
in
place.
What.
A
And
I
would
tell
you
that
the
self
community
that
works
on
our
fees
a
year
ago
actually
recommended
that
every
person
that
entered
a
park
and
every
person
that
that
used
any
of
the
facilities
be
a
cardholder
I'm,
a
cardholder
I,
don't
use
particular
facilities,
but
I
feel
as
a
person
who's
resident
here,
I'd
like
to
have
a
card
in
my
pocket
that
says
I'm
entitled.
Unfortunately,
parks
and
recs
doesn't
issue
card.
So
it's
sort
of
what.
A
D
A
B
B
All
right,
so,
basically,
when
we
reconnected
with
the
consultant
that
was
putting
this
study
together.
He
basically
said
that
currently,
our
fees
that
we
are
charging
is
enough
to
cover
there
they're,
basically
breaking
even,
but
we
do
have
the
capability
of
making
a
few
extra
dollars,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
so
on
here.
B
A
B
There's
there's
been
very
few
commercial
rentals
and
that
would
and
that's
why
it
was
recommended
to
just
eliminate
that
whole
category.
At
this
point,
once
everything
gets
approved,
these
this
information
will
be
posted
on
our
website,
so
it'll
be
much
easier
for
our
constituents
to
you
know,
get
to
a
price
when
they're
trying
to
do
a
rental
for
a
party
or
for
a
meeting
and
it'll
just
be
a
more
easier
friendlier
process
to
to
go
through
assured.
A
A
B
The
Swim
Center
should
be
the
leisure
center
for
some
reason
he
combined
pavillion
and
leisure
together.
So
the
first
it's
where
it
says:
pavillion
and
leisure.
It
should
be
just
the
pavilion
and
where
it
says,
Swim
Center.
It
should
be
the
leisure
center,
but
the
pool
is
available
for
rental,
and
that
was
in
the
previous
vehicle
that
we
discussed.
B
A
B
B
A
H
B
No,
no!
No!
So,
prior
to
all
of
this,
there
was
a
bunch
of
categories
that
dictated
how
fees
were
you
know
given
to
whoever
was
trying
to
rent
at
this
point.
What
you're,
seeing
is
the
commercial
rate
has
been
completely
taken
out
of
this,
but
we
still,
we
still
recommend
having
the
resident
fee,
the
non-resident
and
a
non-profit
fee,
so
that
is
what
you're
looking
at
now.
B
E
D
B
Not
necessarily
true,
it
depends
on
the
number
of
attendees
when
people
come
and
do
the
park
reservation
so
I
think
it's
anything
over
40
50.
So
a
party
at
a
public
park
that
has
attendance
of
potentially
15
above
will
have
a
facility
fee,
but
if
it's
under
50,
then
it
will
not.
But
at
that
point
it
also
becomes.
The
first
come
first
serve
as
well.
D
B
Allowed
so
we'll
get
calls
to
do
the
reservations
at
the
parks
and
we'll
explain
to
them
what
the
process
is
when
they
are
trying
to
bring
in
you
know,
entertainment
or
bounce
houses.
They
are
required
to
provide
us
with
insurance,
naming
the
city
additionally
insured,
whether
it's
a
50,
less
or
50
or
over
party.
So.
I
B
At
some
point
in
the
near
future,
we
can
come
back
and
address
the
numbers
for
Park
rentals,
because
50
and
attendance
of
50
is
really
high.
Other
cities,
have
you
know
25
or
more
will
require
you
know
a
fee
and
whatnot.
So
that
will
assist
us
in
you
know:
securing
additional
revenues
for
the
department,
I.
E
B
E
E
B
D
B
D
B
And
it
really
is
gonna
become
need
to
become
a
partnership
with
code
enforcement
and
PD
I
know
at
this
point.
As
we
move
forward
in
the
budget,
there
is
recommended
staffing
level
increases
for
code
enforcement
to
be
able
to
help
with
weekend
stuff.
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I
requested
as
the
city
went
out
to
bid
for
security
was
to
increase
Park
security
citywide
during
the
weekend,
so
that
we
could
address
those
types
of
issues.
I
have.
A
D
H
Just
a
quick
comment:
this
may
be
the
opportunity
time
to
do
it
and
a
lot
of
the
parks
when
groups
are
doing
it,
whether
they've
been
gone
through,
the
proper
motions
or
not,
people
are
driving
pickup
trucks
onto
the
grass
and
particularly
see
it
a
lot
at
DeMuth,
multiple
car
and
also
even
at
Victoria
Park.
Now,
and
we
know
it's
tearing
up
the
turf
right.
B
And
that's
the
primary
reason
why,
when
we
went
through
this
bid
process,
I
requested
additional
security
on
the
weekends
to
be
able
to
go
to
all
of
our
park
facilities
and
and
enforce
those
issues
so
be.
Hopefully
we
will
be
granted
that
so
we
will
have
that
and
code
enforcement
and
PD
to
help
us
really
enforce
those
issues.
A
Chemistry
code
to
your
point:
it's
not
just
turf
damage
they're,
actually
about
oftentimes,
breaking
the
sprinkler
systems,
and
that's
I
mean
they're
they're,
breaking
heads
or
they're,
actually
breaking
the
underground
right
pipes
and
it's
extremely
expensive
and
then
grass
dies
or
floods
out.
So
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
I
think
my
motion
was
clear
and
is
it
recorded
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
the
adjustment
of
the
change
leisure
center
coming
down
to
where
it
indicates
Swim
Center?
Yes,.
A
B
A
A
I
D
I
So
we
combined
it
a
few
things.
We
made
it
very
clear
that
it
was
a
sock
that
it
was
a
complex,
a
pickleball
complex,
that
was
a
bricks
and
mortar,
and
then
it
added
the
Friends
of
the
parks
yeah
it
defined
it.
It
defined
it,
but
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
discussion
you
might
want
to
have
and
what
our
next
steps
might
be.
Now
that
we
actually
have
our
lists,
I
mean
it's
pretty
consistent,
and
you
know
the
top
three
are
continued
to
work
on
the
projects
that
we've
already
put
forth.
I
I
Here
so
there's
a
second
page:
there
you
go
that's
on
the
back
side,
so
number
one
complete
projects
that
are
already
in
the
pipeline:
pickleball
at
Duluth
pickleball
at
sunrise,
bathrooms
lighting,
shade
benches,
adding
sander
DG
to
the
large
dog
park.
Those
were
absolutely
number.
One
number
two
had
a
tie,
add
shades
to
the
parks
and
maintain
the
parks,
which
is
improve
the
current
conditions
and
three
there
was
a
tie
request
that
there
be
an
agenda
item,
that's
council
meetings,
so
that
there's
an
opportunity.
I
A
I
And
I
think
that
number
one,
which
is
by
far
the
most
popular
I,
think
we'll
be
able
to
address
in
our
meeting
with
dr.
Reddy
and
Jeff
Coors
and
I.
Think
once
we
have
that
meeting,
we
can
come
back
and
report
where
that
priority
lives
within
the
city's
priorities,
and
until
we
have
that
information,
probably
don't
really
know
what
else
to
do.
What.
I
I
I
No
one
has
ever
come
to
a
public
hearing
meeting
or
in
public
comments
to
really
talk
about
what
we're
doing
to
support
the
soccer
community
in
a
designated
soccer
area
and
I.
Don't
know
how
it
works
at
the
park,
whether
there's
a
permit
or
people
show
up,
but
it
came
up
a
few
times
with
a
former
Commissioner
my
first
year
here,
I
think
Dave
David
was
his
name
and
really
yeah
Darren
Thank
You
Jaron.
And
what
are
we
really
doing?
And
this
is
a
community
that
is
living
under
the
radar?
I
They,
you
know
really
don't
want
to
make
a
big
issue
of
anything
they
they
show
up.
They
have
a
good
time
and
it's
and
it's
consistent,
it's
every
single
weekend.
So
it's
number
six
on
this
list,
which
is
really
number
eight,
because
we
had
a
few
ties
and
I
want
to
speak
for
a
community
that
I
believe,
isn't
speaking
for
themselves
and
at
some
point
some
point:
I'd,
like
the
city
to
really
look
at
what
it
would
take
to
have
a
permanent
soccer
area
that
doesn't
interfere
with
the
general
use
of
a
park.
I
A
B
B
I
did
a
walkthrough
not
too
long
ago
to
basically
address
how
the
fields
are
right.
Now,
a
majority
of
their
concern
is,
you
know,
there's
just
divots
everywhere
and
I'm,
trying
to
come
up
with
a
plan
with
Stacey
to
help
address
that
because
they
are
self-sufficient
some
of
our
contracts,
I'm.
Looking
at
really
revising.
B
Because
moving
forward
as
the
economy
starts
to
change
again,
we
need
to
have
really
strong
partnerships
in
helping
maintain
the
resources
that
may
not
necessarily
always
be
a
priority,
and
so
looking
at
what
other
cities
do
with
these
types
of
partnerships,
you
know
I'll
be
coming
to
the
table
with
some
of
those
agencies
and
saying
hey,
you
know,
I
understand,
you
know
you
pay
this
amount
for
for
the
facility
rental
for
all
these
months.
Let's
start
looking
at
some,
you
know
projects
that
we
can
do
to
help
improve.
C
Just
want
to
talk
about
what
Commissioner
Goodman
mentioned
about
the
soccer.
You
know,
there's
different
soccer
communities,
there's
a
youth
soccer
which
is
highly
organized
and
then
there's
community-based
soccer
players.
Not
that
long
ago,
before
pickleball
became
so
dominant
to
move
in
that
space
there
were
people
in
the
community
using
the
tennis
courts
for
soccer
right
and,
unfortunately,
some
people
were
taking
the
Nets
down
and
causing
a
lot
of
financial
hardship
for
the
city,
but
the
reason
they
were
doing.
That
was
because
they
wanted
a
lighted
space
for
soccer
fields,
but
I
think
so.
A
Make
sure
that
recollection,
because
that
escaped
me
totally
I,
do
wonder
about
Ruth
Hardy
Park,
though,
because
that's
a
big
open
space
and
I've
never
seen
it
utilized
I've
seen
Victoria
Park
set
up
with
lighting,
you
know,
temporary
lighting
and
and
amethyst
I
mean
it's
like
wall-to-wall.
Is
there
a
reason
Ruth
Harry
Park
is
is
not
used.
They.
B
A
A
There
is
a
a
volleyball
court,
but
there's
there's
enough
space
there
for
I
would
think
three
or
four
fields
mm-hmm
to
be
utilized
and
there's
nothing
like
looking
at
a
park
going
to
Easter
Sunday
going
to
James,
O
Jesse
and
seeing
it
occupied
in
the
kids,
heaven
you
know
playing
games
and
stuff,
and
it
was
just
it's
really
great
to
see
that
happening
and
I
mean
I
was
kind
of
surprised.
In
fact,
I
was
gonna.
Ask
you.
D
A
A
B
A
It
was
actually
not
the
park
that
did
it,
but
it
was
a
group
of
family
leadership
is
here
actually
to
view
one
of
our
meetings.
So
great
great
I
appreciate
that
any
other
questions
on
the
goals
I
think
we
will
take
that
document
forward
to
our
next
to
the
meeting
with
dr.,
ready
and
and
councilman
chorus
discussion
of
prop
68
grant
recommendations.
I
would
think
it's
let.
B
B
Matter
of
fact,
if
you
look
on
the
application,
one
of
the
parks
that
she
was
awarded
is
on
the
cover.
It's
a
very
nice
Park
I
had
the
pleasure
of
doing
the
grand
opening
of
that
park
in
San
Bernardino.
So
so
the
grant
writer
who
we
are
partnering
with
is
very
talented
and
at
this
point
there's
three
three
projects
that
we
can
look
at.
The
first
one
is
the
downtown
Park
project.
B
B
Ok,
so
just
based
off
the
criteria
that
we
will
be
assessed
on
the
downtown
park
loses
several
points
right
off
the
bat
because
it
is
located
next
to
the
trails
and
the
trails
are
considered
recreation
space,
and
so
the
purpose
of
this
grant
is
to
try
to
place
Park
and
Recreation
space
in
areas
where
it's
not
currently
accessible.
And
so
that's
not
our
number
one.
But
it's
not
a
very
good
selection
when
it
comes
to
the
point
rating
system.
B
Ok,
the
pickleball
courts
because
of
the
competitive
process
we're
competing
with
cities
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
in
their
cities
and
are
working
on
either
increasing
the
activities
that
can
happen
at
the
park.
So
we
would
be
competing
with
cities
like
la
Santa,
Ana,
really
tight
space
cities,
and
so
we
would
have
to
compete
with
heavy
hitters
with
not
a
lot
of
space.
B
So
at
this
point
our
best
option
is
really
to
start
looking
at
developing
a
new
park
and
I
want
to
say
and
I
didn't
get
because
I
was
in
the
training
today,
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
secure
the
information
for
Marcos
in
the
area
where
that's
at,
but
I
believe
we
discussed
like
it
was
like
10
acres.
Do
you
remember.
D
D
B
Criterion
I
want
to
say
it
can't
be
over.
It's
like
forty
five
to
fifty
one
thousand
income
median.
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
those
areas
within
the
city
where
there's
existing
park
space
that
we
can
either
build
on
or
really
kind
of
just
restructure.
So
we're
kind
of
limited
the
downtown
park
again
is
surrounded
by
the
trails.
It
does
fall
within
that
that
income
medium
requirement-
surprisingly
Wow
yeah
it
like
it
barely
was
there,
but
there
isn't
a
lot
of
residential
area
either,
and
so
that's
another
another
thing
that
they
look
at.
D
I
see,
but
my
thought
just
behind
my
question
is
you
know,
we're
struggling
to
maintain
what
we
have
out
there
and
now
it
looks
like
we're.
Gonna
add
another
park,
I'm
not
saying
don't
add
another
park,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
couldn't.
If
that
money
couldn't
be
used
but
you're
explaining
to
me
it.
A
B
This
particular
this
particular
one
is
a
little
bit
difficult
because
we
don't
have
very
many
options.
There
is
a
whole
nother
portion
to
this
grant,
which
is
the
prop
68
per
capita
grant
application
where
it
basically
focuses
on
fixing
infrastructure
or
developing
a
park,
that's
already
in
place,
and
so
there
that
list
is
a
lot
longer
than
what
this
list
is.
So
I
will
be
bringing
that
back
to
you
guys
so
that
we
can
discuss
some
of
these
things.
B
D
B
D
D
Don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
ask
this,
but
some
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
get
done.
I
know
we
mentioned
you
know
feeling
philanthropic
Lee
looking
for
folks,
wouldn't
somebody
love
to
have
their
name
on
one
of
these
signs
or
one
of
these
new
bathroom
structures
or
parks
or
something
a
degree.
A
I
But
the
per
capita
right
I
mean
I'm
with
Jody
and
I
mean
I
have
to
think
really
hard
like.
Why
would
we
build
a
new
park
and,
yes,
I
understand
in
the
former
master
plan?
That's
really
horribly
outdated.
You
know
per
capita.
You
have
to
have
so
much
open
space
and
park
space,
but
if
we
can't
take
care
of
the
parks
that
we
have,
why
would
we
apply
for
a
competitive
grant
to
build
a
new
park?
So
it'd
be
my
recommendation
just
from
something
that
makes
sense
to
me?
A
A
My
only
fear
is
that
it
may
exist
in
a
very
windy
community,
because
I
know
that
that
the
community
that
I
live-
and
it's
builder
donated
a
five-acre
lot
as
part
of
that
I
think
Quimby
that
has
not
yet
been
acted
on,
but
I
would
tell
you
it
is
probably
a
direct
parallel
to
James
O
Jesse
and
yesterday
at
James
O
Jesse.
We
were
very
lucky
that
none
of
the
children
blew
away
hey
because
it
was
windy
there
and
that
would
be
another
concern.
A
H
H
H
B
The
the
consultant
we're
working
with,
would
initially
take
care
of
the
grant
writing
for
this
particular
project,
which
she
has
been
awarded
several
times,
so
she
would
be
doing
a
majority
of
the
work
there.
I
would
be
assisting
with
getting
information
that
she
would
need
me
to
get
throughout
the
different
city
departments
in
order
to
complete
the
grant
process.
B
C
Oh
right,
first,
you
know
master
plan.
We
are
under
parked
in
the
city
because
the
city
decided
to
include
golf
courses
as
open
space.
That's
a
fact,
but
beyond
that
I.
Just
this
item
on
the
agenda
is
really
troubling
to
me
that
the
staff
is
asking
us
to
approve
I,
think
gues,
there's
a
cost
for
the
ground
to
write
it
right.
Yes,.
B
B
C
B
C
B
What
I'm
asking
for
is
a
recommendation
for
what
option
you
would
like
to
pursue.
Obviously,
the
the
more
into
the
project
we
get
more
detail
would
be
provided
as
we
as
we
move
forward,
but
in
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
deadlines
for
grant.
Writing
I
need
the
direction
on
what
the
Commission
would
like
to
apply
for.
I
can.
C
Understand
that
but
I
do
think,
staff
should
come
and
give
us.
You
have
more
information
about
this
part
where
it's
that
and
things
like
that,
that
you
can
provide
us
at
this
meeting
rather
than
secure
some
kind
of
vote
for
us
to
go
down
this
path
or
something
we
don't
even
know,
I,
don't
know
how
and
good
conscience
you
we
could
support
spending
grant
money.
I
mean
to
get
it
to
write
a
grant
for
a
project.
We
don't
know
anything
about,
but
staff
does
know
about
it.
It's
not
telling
us
about
right
now
at.
B
C
C
I
can't
support
this
I
mean
blindly
say
we're
going
to
apply
for
a
grant
on
some
property
that
I
have
no
idea
where
it
is,
but
what's
gonna
be
done
with
it,
and,
in
fact,
my
reading
of
these
points
that
you
could
make
some
good
points
as
these
points
sell
for
some
of
these
other
items
as
well.
So
to
me,
it
seems,
like
you
know,
being
involved
in
different
government
processes
that
there's
some
war
going
on
here
that
we're
not
kind
of
being
told
I.
B
Have
the
information
that
I've
presented
here
I
have
only
seen
the
possible
piece
of
space
that
we're
talking
about
one
time
like
I
said:
I
was
in
a
training
earlier
today,
so
I
didn't
get
to
finish,
gathering
all
my
information
for
you
guys
for
that.
But
I
don't
know
where
this
piece
of
land
is
located.
Don
doesn't
remember
where
this
piece
of
land
located.
So
there's
no
under
undercut
any
kind
of
scheme
happening
here.
I'm
presenting
the
information
that
I
have,
which
number
three
is
pretty
generic,
so
I
apologize.
A
D
E
A
D
B
A
I
mean
my
thought
would
be.
You
know
that
we
probably
need
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
for
all
of
us
to
get
a
lot
of
energy
behind
it.
But
I
think
you
know
you
use
her
resources
because
it's
not
like
we
could
choose
three
or
four
cuz.
There
is
no
four
right,
so
it's
either
putting
effort
into
three
or
or
we
say,
don't
do
it
at
all.
I
would
we'd
be
remiss
to
say,
don't
do
it
at
all
Commission.
H
Less
I'm
reading
the
the
concept
here
wrong.
We're
talking
about
just
really
big
start
grand
concept
which
is:
can
we
get
behind
green
lighting?
The
idea
of
a
grant
writer
who's
already
been
hired
by
the
city
to
put
together
an
application
for
the
only
private
kind
of
project.
This
part
of
the
prop
68
grant
application
will
allow
which
would
be
for
a
new
park
and
they
have
identified
a
place
for
it.
We
can
get
more
information
later,
but
if
we
delay
even
saying
go
ahead,
then
I
think
that
puts
them
behind
gives
it
more
challenge.
H
A
E
We
are
committed
over
the
next
28
30
40
years
for
the
maintenance
and
sustaining
that
part
and
that
money
that
it
takes
to
sustain
that
park,
maybe
the
money
that
would
have
built
those
other
courts
that
we
need
at
one
of
the
other.
We
have
right
now,
that's
one
of
the
really
problem
yeah
it
could
redo
the
bathrooms
or
one
of
our
existing
or
it.
B
E
B
A
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
our
our
city
is
changing
its
its
face.
I
think
today
and
historically,
we've
been
a
little
bit
of
a
retirement.
You
know,
environment
and
I
would
say
that
we
are
bringing
over
people
into
the
city
and
they're
residing
here,
and
younger
people
have
children
and
children
do
to
me
at
parks
and
unfortunately,
we're
kind
of
built
out.
So
as
much
as
I
love
the
master
plan,
it
says
within
I
believe
it's
one
and
a
half
miles
of
every
resident.
There
should
be
a
five
acre
park.
A
Well,
that's
long
gone
that
space
is
gone.
The
only
thing
left
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
is
is
tribal
in
which
were
necking
to
acquire,
so
it
does
feel
like
you
know,
we
do
need
to
try
to
be
thinking
about
all
these
things
at
once
and
I
think
mr.
Cohen,
you
know
really
said
it.
Let's
move
this
forward.
If
we
find
out
that
it's
it's
futile,
it
will
be
time
wasted
for
that
individual,
but
and
for
yourself
potentially,
but
we
won't
have
missed
an
opportunity,
commissioner
Goodman.
So.
B
Don't
know
per
capita
just
I
just
went
to
a
training
for
that
one.
They
are
still
working
on.
Releasing
additional
information,
so
I
will
keep
you
guys
posted
as
all
of
that
stuff
happens,
that
will
that
deadline
is
for
a
little
bit
further,
but
the
process
isn't
as
difficult
as
this
particular
grant
and
I
will
actually
be
taking
care
of
all
that
application
process
and.
I
You're
looking
for
directive
on
a
green
light
to
say,
let's
move
forward
with
this
with
and
you'll
continue
to
report
back
at
the
progress.
Yes,
so
in
that
sense,
then
I
would
agree
with
Commissioner
Cohen
that
if
indeed
you're
just
looking
for
a
green
light
to
person
tin
you
to
pursue
this
as
an
option,
then
we
should
pursue
it
as
an
option
and
then
we
can
figure
out
along
the
way,
if
indeed
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
continue
the
process
right.
I
I
A
A
And
some
of
the
things
that
are
closer
to
the
mountain
that
would
appear
to
be
open.
I
just
worry
a
little
bit
about
all
of
the
issues
associated
with
you
know
whether
or
not
they
are
tribal
burial
or
whether
there
are
grounds
that
should
be
shaken
or
changed
at
all,
so
that
piece
of
that
I'd
really
like
to
understand
as
quickly
as
possible.
When
you,
you
know,
for
our
next
meeting
what
the
park
is,
Commissioner
Armstrong
I
mean.
C
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
idea
of
a
new
park.
In
fact,
you
know
one
reasons:
I
got
involved
with
the
city
in
2010
or
2009
was
the
second
dog
park
and
it's
been
a
stated
goal
of
the
city
for
the
last
decade
to
create
a
second
dog
park.
I
have
no
idea
because
of
the
vagueness
of
what
we're
getting
tonight,
whether
this
man
could
be
first,
the
site
saying
dog
park
which
has
been
a
stated
goal
of
the
city
for
over
a
decade.
This
is
a
proposal
is
coming
to
us
under
a
deadline.
C
No
information,
now
we're
being
told
hey.
Let's
just
go
this
because
we
don't
want
to
miss
this
deadline.
Staff
does
seem
to
know
something
about
this
property.
I
can
make
some
guesses
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
him
publicly,
but
I
just
don't
think
it's
right
for
staff
to
put
this
call
this
game
on
the
agenda
and
not
given
all
the
information.
I,
just
don't
think
is
I.
Just
don't
think
that's
correct
again.
B
H
Just
going
to
say
part
to
Commission
a
good
new
country,
bolian
everybody's
comments:
this
is
just
the
grand
concept
to
get
it
done.
Work
on
it,
I
assume,
have
the
ability
to
weigh
in
on
what
it
is,
how
it
is
and
should
we
later
on,
but
we're
never
gonna
get
there.
Unless
we
well
give
the
green
light,
which
is
we,
we
agreed
that
the
first
two
don't
make
sense.
The
only
one
that
does
make
sense
is
a
new
Park.
What
would
that
look
like
and
how
do
we
get
started?
H
C
I'll
make
a
motion
that,
following
up
with
David,
that
we
I
guess
support
the
staff
request
to
pursue
this
grant,
but
we
haven't
unintended
next
month
and
we
have
a
meaningful
discussion
about
this
10
acres
or
other
acres
for
a
new
park
so
that
we
can
actually
have
all
the
information
I,
don't
think
we're
studying
anything
two
deaths.
Actually,
no.
C
What
we're
voting
for,
but
I
will
support
this
with
some
caveat
that
they
have
a
meaningful
discussion,
whether
we
want
to
move
forward
with
the
information
that
staff
could
present
at
that
time
and
possible
alternatives
for
other
parks,
given
the
work
that
we
have
done
on
second
dog
parks.
So,
basically,
the
motion
would
be
support.
This
moving
forward
with
the
discussion
next
month
about
more
details
and.
I
I
A
A
I
C
Chair
can
I
say
something
over
waiting,
I'm
sure
certain.
If
we
go
past
seven
o'clock,
I
tried
to
go
to
a
commission
meeting
after
6:30
and
all
the
doors
were
locked
last
month.
So
I
don't
know
if
all
the
doors
are
locked
right
now,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
can
have
a
public
meeting.
If
the
doors
are
locked.
I
know,
sustainability
has
posted
a
sign
last
meeting
about
one
door
that
might
be
open
or
they
typically
opened
it
for
that
meeting.
C
D
A
A
K
K
Basically
to
address
them,
eat
notes,
yeah,
we're
skipping
around,
so
basically
that
2.5
million
dollar
number
that
was
thrown
around
came
from
that
staff
report.
When
this
item
came
to
this
Commission
in
November
and
then
subsequently
December
5th
City
Council
heard
that
item
it
was
a
really
conservative
number,
basically
just
looking
at
who
had
pickleball
courts
in
the
area,
as
well
as
the
Newport
Beach
example,
and
that
was
a
really
conservative,
throw
everything
in
the
pot
fancy.
K
You
know
shade
structures,
bleachers
everything
now
that
the
council
has
directed
us
to
look
at
sunrise
Park
for
the
16
court
layout.
The
consultant
was
able
to
sharpen
their
pencils
and
kind
of
price
things
out,
because
sunrise
Park
already
has
utilities.
It
has
some
lighting
already
there
so
that
significantly
changes
things.
So
what
I
got
today
was
the
latest
cost
estimate.
So
the
basic
plan,
which
is
basically
quartz
fences,
some
benches
between
the
courts
and
basically
some
extra
sidewalks,
that's
gonna,
run
with
lighting.
K
Both
proposals
do
have
lighting
that's
going
to
run
$760,000
the
fancier
version
that
has
two
sets
of
bleachers:
shade
structures
outside
of
the
area
like
a
weeding
some
tables
and
chairs
for
people
waiting,
as
well
as
seat
walls
and
fancy
landscaping
or
not
fancy,
but
enhanced
landscaping.
That
would
come
out
to
just
right
under
a
1
million
dollars,
990
mm,
so
seven
hundred
sixty
thousand.
So
that's
just
the
basic
court
versus
the
enhanced
court,
which
shade
structures,
amenities,
everything.
So
that's
the
realistic
number
for
building
sixteen
courts
at
this
with
that
direction.
K
Basically,
these
are
lines
on
paper.
It's
still
a
conceptual
design.
We
were
hoping
to
get
more
feedback
from
you.
You
know.
If
are
there
things
that
you
see
absolutely
won't
work?
Are
there
things
that
you
have
suggestions
so
that
we
can
start
you
know
doing
the
actual
surveying
and
then
creating
these
documents
so
that
we
can
have
a
project
together
so
right
before
you
I
think
the
three
choices?
One
is
the
basic
plan
kind
of
shaped
like
an
L.
A
I
A
E
E
A
E
A
D
B
Essentially,
this
item
I
was
going
to
cover
in
comments
because
you
guys
requested
to
be
a
part
of
the
planning
process,
and
so
we
were
gonna
be
showing
showcasing
the
designs
that
we
have
been
yielded
by
the
contractor
that
we're
working
with,
and
also
to
inform
you
that
you,
you
guys,
can
send
a
representative
to
future
planning
meetings
as
we
begin
to
move
ahead
so
that
the
Commission
can
be
represented
in
the
planning
meetings.
At
this
point,
I
don't
think
we
necessarily
really
need
to
discuss
any
kind
of
movement
or
anything.
B
I
K
My
my
purpose
here
today
is
just
to
show
you
the
concept.
I,
don't
need
a
decision
from
you
right
now,
but
I
did
want
to
give
you
time
to
digest
this
and
explain
what
you're.
Seeing
on
the
paper
you
don't
need
to.
You
know,
give
me
a
formal
decision,
but
if
there
are
you
know,
what
do
you
call
it
red
flags
that
you
see
immediately?
That
would
be
very
helpful.
I
could
come
back
to
a
future
meeting,
whether
it's
the
next
meeting
or
whatever.
K
We
could
flush
out
more
details
to
this,
but
the
intent
was
to
show
you
the
concepts
and
explain
to
you.
What's
on
the
paper.
I,
don't
expect
a
group
like
this
to
sit
here
and
just
make
the
decision
on
the
fly.
So
do
you
want
to
go
out
there
and
feel
it
and
see
it
and
you
know,
but
it
was
to
introduce
the
concepts.
What.
A
K
Right
now,
so,
on
your
plans,
what
you
see
is
his
proposed
future
parking
area.
If
the
library
was
does
intend
to
renovate
their
current
location,
it
includes
a
expanded
parking
lot,
so
that
was
taken
into
consideration.
Okay,
perfect
I,
think
that
you
know
I
attended
the
Opera
in
the
park
and
then
I
was
making
sure
where
the
tent
layout
was
and
as
well
as
that
smaller
tent
and
all
of
these
scenarios
still
allows
for
all
of
that.
Obviously,
that
program
is
getting
more
and
more
popular
every
year.
K
K
A
I
H
I
ask
a
couple
of
questions
just
to
make
this
productive
moment
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
There
are
two
basic
concepts
you're
showing
us
here
when
I'm
just
going
to
call
where
you're
calling
all
one
and
all
two
alternate
one.
An
alternative
to
one
is
more
straight
than
the
other
as
an
L.
Is
there
from
a
planning
perspective
or
from
your
perspective,
better
or
worse,
or
pros
and
cons
of
either
from
a
land
planning
or
building
perspective.
I
mean
we.
H
Generic
conceptual
the
reason
I'm
asking
is,
it
would
seem
to
me
when
I've
actually
looked
at
this
and
I
spend
time.
Reading.
All
of
your
notes
on
that,
the
second,
the
one
that's
l
yeah,
seems
to
lay
out
better
in
the
park.
It
means
less
having
to
move
less
of
the
existing
bike,
trails
and
sidewalks,
and
it
just
fit
better
in
there.
So.
B
When,
when
the,
when
the
project
originally
came
to
life
and
really
started
moving
forward,
I
think
originally
they
were
married
to
that
location
and
that's
why
the
designs
are
laid
out.
The
way
that
they
are
at
this
point,
there's
there's
been
a
couple
of
things
that
have
come
up.
That
may
not
necessarily
allow
us
to
continue
to
build
there,
but
we
can
look
at
different
parts
of
the
sunrise,
Park
section
or
maybe
even
entertain
a
few
other
locations
if
needed.
H
Great,
so
if
these
are
I'll,
just
take
it
at
that,
then
these
are
really
big
concepts.
So
the
only
thing
I
would
then
be
able
to
offer
just
a
grand
concept
here,
because
without
getting
into
detail,
you
didn't
there's
no
elements
that
are
marked
here
for
things
that
I
think
could
also
be
important
to
those
who
actually
held
courts
such
as
human
water
consumption.
Besides
trees
and
wind
screening,
which
we
know
is
a
a
problem
and
some
shade.
D
B
H
D
H
K
K
D
K
Then
the
other
thing
about
the
LC,
you
know.
Basically,
the
big
concept
was
that
we
were
gonna.
Do
one
that
kind
of
went
north-south
and
a
layout
that
went
east-west.
The
east-west
kind
of
layout
only
really
did
14
very
nicely,
and
we
found
out
later
that
the
16
is
important.
I
mean
nobody
wanted
to
give
up
the
that's.
A
I
Want
to
thank
you,
I
think
this
is
great
progress,
drilling
down
and
really
getting
the
numbers
so
that
we
can
have
a
discussion.
So
I
appreciate
that
very
very
much
I
was
a
little
concerned.
Cynthia
when
you
said
you
don't
even
know.
If
maybe
this
space
would
be
able
to
accommodate
other
things
might
be
coming
up,
I
have
to
say
the
library
came
to
me
and
library
is
five
years
away
and
the
library
came
and
said:
what
are
you
gonna?
Do
those
pickleball
courts?
What
if
we
expand?
I
Well,
the
library
doesn't
really
know
what
they're
doing
right
now
so
I
appreciate
you
took
into
consideration
the
library,
the
parking
and
all
of
that
and
I
would
hate
to
see
that
this
actually
be
repositioned
in
another
part
of
the
city.
I
think
we
need
to
read:
doesn't
we
need
to
redevelop
Sunrise
Park,
so
it
becomes
a
usable
facility
for
our
residents
who
live
within
the
distance
of
that
park
and
so
I
feel
I.
B
Saying
there
may
be
some,
there
might
be
some
conflict
in
the
library
master
plan
years
ago
and
and
we're
researching
this
to
see
if
this
is
true,
but
one
of
the
library
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
Commission
or
their
nonprofit
came
forward
and
said
well,
our
master
plan
says
that
we
will
be
building
an
annex
in
that
area.
So.
K
There
was
a
configuration
worth
of
the
expansion
of
the
library
cause
or
creates
an
opportunity
to
stretch
the
parking
lot,
connecting
the
existing
parking
lot
to
the
Boys
and
chorus
club
parking
lot.
So
there
would
be
a
big
long
row
of
parking
stalls
in
that
area.
However,
you
know
in
from
the
engineering
you
know
higher
level
of
looking
at
things.
You
know,
pickleball
court
or
tennis
court
is
flat.
Concrete
fencing
and
paint
or
I
mean
a
surface
right.
K
So
should
something
like
that
come
in
the
future
to
take
it
down,
isn't
like
demolishing
a
building,
it's
actually
rather
simple
to
remove
that
type
of
facility
yeah
into
whatever
the
library
making
come
up
with
five
years.
From
now,
from
my
understanding
of
this
issue,
the
pickleball
issue
is
now
I
think
we
could
construct
this
rather
quickly,
and
so
it
seems
like
a
priority
not
only
to
this
commission
but
to
the
council
to
do
something
about
this
pickleball,
but
the
long
term
vision
in
my
engineering
mind
if
we
had
to
unfortunately
relocate
it.
H
H
Ninety
two
is
not
a
million
and
we're
about
to
go
and
have
conversations
with
City
Council
and
the
the
city
manager
and
say
the
order
of
magnitude,
of
what
we're
talking
about,
there's
a
cry
from
the
citizenry
to
do
and
to
reorganize
a
park
that
has
a
definite
problem,
we're
talking
about
under
a
million
dollars
or
roughly
a
million
dollars.
Now
we're
not
looking
for
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
five
million
dollars.
I
think
we've
now
just
bitten
off
something
that
is
credible
and
scalable
and
that
we
can
get
behind.
A
B
Know
yet,
okay,
but
if
you
know,
depending
on
what
model
we
went
with,
you
know,
I'm
sure
we
could
write
the
per
capita
as
long
as
it
qualified
and
I
have
to
get
on
the
map
and
see
what
areas
will
laughs
I
for
that
grant
and
if
it
is,
then
we
could
talk.
You
know
shade
structure
and
seating
through
that
portion,
decreasing
the
cost
of
we.
A
I
I
make
a
recommendation
that
our
ad
hoc
committee
for
pickleball
actually
walk
the
park
with
your
design
and
as
soon
as
you
have
the
dates
for
this
committee
that
you're
putting
together,
because
we
did
the
same
thing
with
dog
park
where
we
sat
at
the
table-
and
it
was
I
mean
we
pretty
much
hammered
it
out
it
for
a
city
for
cities
that
can
move
slowly.
The
dog
park
moved
swiftly
in
in
that.
So
if
we
could
reconvene
and
then
report
back
next
month,
I
think
that
would
be
super
great.
I
A
B
A
B
D
A
It's
it
is
we
already
evaluated
Serena
Park,
the
five
acres
over
begin
being
given
to
us
there
actually
and
I,
was
not
in
the
council
around
the
Commission
that
it
was
done
prior
to
my
joining
and
turn
down.
We
said.
Thank
you.
No
thank
you,
but
I
would
tell
you
that
this
is
directly
outside
of
my
facility,
so
I
will
not
be
weighing
in
on
anything
relative
to
it,
but
it
is
not
an
area
that
would
be
I
won't
influence.
A
B
H
A
B
I
H
F
H
G
I
B
What
we've
ran
into
is
that
the
use
of
both
the
pickleball
courts
on
the
tennis
courts
is
very
popular
in
the
early
morning
and
they
get
very
frustrated
when
we
do
reserve
a
court
for
whatever.
The
reason
is
at
this
point,
both
communities,
pickleball
and
tennis,
have
said.
If
you're
gonna
do
reservations,
please
do
it
after
a
certain
time,
so
it
doesn't
infringe
on
the
first.
Come
first
serve.
B
So
when,
when
we
do
have
tournaments,
we
only
they
don't
they
don't
rent
out
the
full
space.
There
are
still
some
courts
that
are
open
to
the
public,
but
I
mean
one
of
the
reasons
we
do
allow
tournaments
for
pickleball
is
because
it's
open
to
the
public.
We
do
have
one.
We
do
have
one
reservation
on
that's
pending
and
they
want
basically
to
shut
down
for
pickleball
courts
for
a
private
birthday
party.
B
At
that
point,
I
kind
of
have
a
difficulty
approving
it
because
they're
wanting
to
run
this
tournament,
but
just
with
their
group,
which
isn't
fair
to
the
community
who
may
be
waiting
to
play
and
because
it's
such
a
hot
topic
in
the
community
I
don't
want
to
make
it
a
bigger
issue
than
it
already
is,
and
so
that's
why
the
after
1
p.m.
we
included
so
that
we
can
accommodate
that.
We
just
can't
accommodate
it
at
the
time
that
they
would
necessarily
like
so.
B
E
B
What
happens
now?
Is
they
either
call
in
or
they
can
fill
out
the
paperwork
online
and
it
comes
to
us
and
at
that
point
we
run
the
you
know
we
do
the
legwork
to
get
everything
done
when
that
reservation
comes
to
the
day
of
we'll
go
out
and
post
a
sign
saying
this
is
reserved
what
that
constituent
who
reserved
it
should
have.
Is
there
paperwork
saying
I'm
approved
so
that
if
there
is
an
issue
and
the
cops
are
called,
they
can
say,
here's
my
paperwork.
I
I
B
B
H
B
H
When
others
are
waiting
to
play
the
way,
it's
usually
done,
and
now
it's
just
done
by
etiquette,
but
it'd
be
good
to
actually
have
it
stated,
because
this
is
what
people
were
getting
upset
about,
and
this
may
not
be
the
best
wording
so
I'll,
let
you
wordsmith
it,
but
the
idea
that
I
wrote
was
when
others
are
waiting
to
play.
The
losing
player
or
team
should
allow
another
waiting
player
or
a
team
to
play
the
winners,
that's
usually
how
it
works
and.
H
Get
to
continue
on
because
in
pickleball
there
you're
not
playing
a
set
normally
or
if
you
do
play
a
set,
it
could
be
the
best
of
three
not
the
best,
like
a
tennis
tournament,
best
out
of
seven,
so
they're
much
shorter
to
begin
with.
So
in
some
ways
that
makes
sense
and
then
I
said,
a
set
of
the
best
of
three
games
is
the
maximum
allowed.
If
others
are
waiting
to
play,
of
course
or
otherwise,
full
so.
B
I
sorry
I
think
originally,
when
Vicky
had
done
this
part,
it
was
because
there
was
so
many
people
waiting
in
line
that
it
was
just
easier
to
rotate
all
four
players
out
and
get
another
four
in
and
then
once
they're
off
the
court.
They
can
go
back
and
sign
in
that
way.
We
have
a
constant
rotation,
because
I
can
see
some
issues
going
on
with
well.
I
won
the
last
time,
and
so
at
what
point?
Do
you
say?
Okay,
if
you
have
a
team
that
just
keeps
winning
everything
when
do
they
get
off
the
court.
H
That's
why
I
said
that's
a
sorry:
does
they
get
big
out
of
max
of
three?
So
that's
why
I
put
them
both
there,
but
okay,
that's
kind
of
typically
how
it's
how
something
is
played
and
you
can
define
it
as
being,
even
if
you're
winning
you
only
get
two
and
you
win
all
three,
then
you
have
taught
somebody
else
come
on
there.
So
I
was
trying
to
capture
here.
Otherwise
it's
possible
that
some
I
could
get
on
the
court
and
play
very
quickly
because
it's
you
know,
11
to
0
or
how.
H
H
It's
really
what
is
trying
to
get
the
people
seeing
there
are
a
little
bit
remedial
about
just
being
learning
how
to
be
cooperative
and
play
nice
with
the
other
adults
and
children
to
do
that,
and
I
literally
had
somebody
say
to
me:
there's
no
rule
then
you're
making
up
a
rule,
it's
like
we'll
just
say,
but
that
except
that
I'm
just
we're
just
asking
nice.
Could
you
just
be
kind,
and
it
have
some
etiquette
like
everybody
else?
Can.
D
A
E
E
I
go
by
there
every
day,
and
how
do
you
is
there
a
way
to
make
the
part
for
children
only
during
the
day?
It
is
I
feel
sorry
for
the
homeless,
but
there
can't
be
gathered
at
the
park
if
kids
can
use
it.
I
know
the
issue
with
proper
or
with
the
Ninth
Circuit.
What
is
were
we
getting
around?
Okay,
it's
only
available
for
children.
During
these
periods
can
we
do
that?
No.
B
B
I
would
have
to
talk
to
Stacy
to
see
if
that,
if
we
would
be
able
to
do
that
because
it's
not
a
very
large
area,
it
might
be
an
issue.
I
know
that
there's
a
bunch
of
cities
working
on
trying
to
establish
verbage
so
that
people
aren't
necessarily
camping
or
sleeping
at
the
parks.
To
try
to
address
that
so
that
code,
enforcement
or
PD
can
really
address
that
issue.
B
A
H
H
E
One
comment
I'll
make
to
everybody:
this
car
gets
out
here
on
the
about
how
we
speak
in
the
microphones.
I
was
trying
to
watch
a
couple
of
the
other
Commission's
if
you're
setting
back
like
this
or
your
microphone
is
not
as
far
as
Charles
is
you
can't
pick
it
up
when
you're
trying
to
listen
to
them
at
home,
so
for
everybody
here
this
better,
if
you'd
bring
a
microphone
up
and
that's
what
this
means,
I
guess,
because
I
missed
a
lot
of
the
things
that
one
person
was
saying
at
a
meeting.