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B
Well,
let's
first
get
this
meeting
started
of
the
measure.
J,
commission
and
today's
date
is
august,
3rd,
2020,
chantel.
Welcome
to
the
group.
Thank
you
and
I
will
let
you
take
roll
call
real
quickly.
B
D
B
Well,
thank
you.
Do
we
stand
to
do?
Do
we
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance
meetings?
Yes,
I
even
have
a
flag,
so
we'll
do
it
to
be
respectful.
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
and
to
our
republic,
for
which
we
stand.
One
nation,
under
god
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
B
Thank
you,
everybody.
I
don't
have
the
agenda
in
front
of
me
because
I
wasn't
able
to
print
it,
but
I
believe
it's
comments
for
me
and
we're
going
to
get
right
into
this.
I'm
actually
flying
back
to
palm
springs
in
a
little
bit.
So
for
those
of
you
that
are
at
work
or
busy
you're.
In
luck,
we're
going
to
keep
this
to
about
an
hour
or
less.
B
Why
we
did
this
meeting
is
you
might
have
gotten
the
letter
that
chantelle
had
sent
and
back
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
and
I
would
say
collectively,
jeffrey
and
sid,
and
I
who
were
on
the
downtown
park
subcommittee,
got
together
with
the
measure,
j
subcommittee
of
parks
and
rec,
and
we
just
wanted
to
basically
kind
of
do
a
nice
thing
to
at
least
take
the
pressure
off
of
council
that
we
were
okay.
B
If
measure
j
dollars,
weren't
all
spent
on
the
downtown
park,
we
knew
that
the
construction
had
started,
but
with
city
budgets
just
hemorrhaging
and
tens
of
millions
of
dollars.
You
know
we're
pretty
much.
We
were
in
the
hole
almost
immediately
and
we
just
offered
that
parks
and
rec
had
some
opinions
as
well,
but
we
had
offered
up
that
letter.
B
In
the
meantime,
the
budget
is
fairly
strained
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
nancy
she's
here
to
to
answer
that,
but
basically
david
ready
pulled
three
million
from
the
park
downtown
park
and
put
it
back
into
general
fund
to
basically
help
out
with
other
needs.
Our
biggest
fear
is
we
wanted
to
see
less
programs.
You
know
our
fe,
our
feeling.
As
far
as
jeffrey
said,
to
myself
was
we
rather
see
programs
stay
in
place?
B
So
it's
been
kind
of
an
ongoing
discussion
and
debate
amongst
council
there's,
there's
some
strong
feelings
for
the
downtown
park
to
continue.
Although
there's
really
probably
not
budget,
for
it,
nancy
will
know
final
numbers
out
of
2019-2020
budget
later
this
month
and
once
that's
determined
they'll
see
if
they
have
extra
money
to
put
back
into
measure
j
and
into
capital
projects.
B
The
goal
of
this
quick
meeting
was
just
to
get
a
vote.
Your
temperature,
your
take
from
a
commission
wide.
We
didn't
want
to
be
just
the
only
three
with
a
voice
and
get
your
priorities
as
far
as
how
you
feel
this
money
should
get
directed.
B
What
council
will
be
looking
at
is
either
moving
forward
with
the
park
as
designed
that
park
now
is
at
a
budget
of
around
9
million.
B
So
from
its
early
projections
of
being
a
five
million
dollar
park
when
rios
first
was
contracted
to
this
date,
we're
looking
at
about
nine
million.
There
were
some
oversight,
some
structural
issues
with
a
parking
garage,
and
I
don't
know
costs
went
up.
The
money
is
budgeted.
If
we
were
in
not
this
situation,
the
money
would
somewhat
be
there
between
quimby
funds
and
taking
from
measure
j.
B
Then
the
other
option
is
for
council
to
consider
is
opening
the
park
and
just
gravel
putting
dg
down
finish
the
restrooms
finish:
the
police
substation,
whether
the
interior
is
finished
or
not,
but
get
the
structures
complete,
get
the
restrooms
working
and
operational
lay
down
some
decomposed
granite,
put
a
few
benches,
call
it
a
day
and
it's
a
placeholder
for
council
later
on
to
use
monies
when
we
have
monies,
and
it
will
probably
be
a
year
or
two
to
finish
the
park
as
designed,
it
could
be
an
option
that
they
changed
the
design
of
the
park,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
will
happen.
B
F
D
B
For
now
has
been
kind
of
slated
as
cancelled,
and
I
believe
what
that
means
nancy
you
can
correct
me,
is
we
don't
have
they
don't
have
the
money
for
everything
that
was
approved
back
in
may
of
2019.?
It's
still
projects
that
are
approved
and
need
to
be
done.
B
So
again,
as
a
commission
we
could
say
hey.
We
would
like
to
see
if
measure
j
monies
are
found.
We
would
like
to
see
commitment
to
the
things
that
were
previously
agreed
upon
between
our
commission
and
the
council.
B
There
wasn't
really
a
lot
else
parkwise
in
that
we
had
some
a
lighting
program,
and
I
don't
know
all
what
staff
sent
to
you.
Then
we
also
had
the
short
list
of
items
that
were
presented
to
us
from
the
parks
and
rec
commission
that
we
approved
back
in
december.
B
Again,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
that
list,
but
it
was
items
such
as
new
gym
floor
for
jesse,
james
o,
jesse
air
conditioning
for
the
du
booth
center,
because
they
don't
have
air
conditioning
currently
curtains
for
the
pavilion.
We
had
kind
of
a
conversation
about
that.
I
think
an
important
issue
were
shade
structures
for
play:
lots
in
the
parks
right
now
we're
the
only
city
in
the
valley
that
doesn't
have
those
shade
structures
over
playground
equipment.
B
B
Those
aren't
budgeted
council
did
pass
in
january
of
2020
quite
a
few
items,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
again
was
in
one
of
your
reports
sent
to
you,
but
they
did
approve
a
roughly
2.3
million
in
part
issues
so
replacing
carpet
at
the
dumuth
center,
replacing
the
windows
at
the
demous
center
and
then
a
few
various
items
at
sunrise
plaza
park
where
they
needed
again
new
air
conditioning
for
the
pavilion
window
replacement
for
the
leisure
center.
B
A
F
G
I
was
under
the
impression
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
the
three
million
was
or
maybe
might
be,
two
council
meetings
ago.
The
three
million
was
agreed
that,
if
it's
not
needed
in
the
general
fund
or
no,
that
it
would
go
to
another
parks
project
and
that
it
was
up
to
measure
j
and
parks
and
rec
to
determine
which
of
those
like
what
were
the
other
projects.
That
would
be
priorities
if
it
wasn't
going
to
the
downtown
park.
B
B
D
B
Has
roughly
been,
I
saw
it
somewhere
in
notes,
I
think
it's
been
budgeted
at
about
3.2
million
dollars
again
some
discussions
that
maybe
that
could
come
through
private
funding,
fundraising
campaign,
etc,
but
again
something
else
for
all
of
you
to
consider.
So.
B
Open
it
up,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
I
hope
that
I
kind
of
got
things.
Hopefully
it's
somewhat
clear
and
I
don't
we
don't
really
need
to
get
into
the
weeds
exactly
what
projects.
B
I
think
it's
more.
Do
we
put
all
the
money
to
downtown
some
money
to
downtown
and
then
any
money
remain
remaining
to
park
commitments
that
were
already
agreed
upon
by
council
that
were
already
voted
and
approved,
and
I'm
willing
to
to
open
it
up
to
your
your
opinions
or
questions.
H
H
What's
going
on
the
short
list
that
you
mentioned
of
park,
projects
that
I
think
totaled
about
925
that
have
been
approved
by
council,
so
is
that
likely
that
those
are
going
ahead
with
the
with
the
park,
with
the
shade
structures
and
and
replacing
the
gym
at
danger?
Jesse
is
that
you
said
they
were
approved,
but
is
that
likely
to
happen?
Do
we
have
any
idea.
B
They're,
probably
not
likely
to
happen
anytime
soon,
because
the
money
is
not
there
unless
they
decide
with
found
money.
To
put
it
into
that.
So
that's
kind
of
our
role
today
is
to
give
a
recommendation
that
we
would
like
to
see
if
there's
found
money
or
money.
That's
that's
left
over
in
the
general
fund
that
goes
back
to
measure
j
and
it's
kind
of
slated
for
parks.
Where
do
we
want
to
see
that
money
go?
B
What
would
what?
What
does
our
commission?
This
is
measure
j
money?
Where
do
we
want
to
see
what
capital
projects
would
we
feel
are
more
important?
Is
it
you
know
1.6
million
dollars
to
go
to
renovation
of
all
restrooms
in
our
current
parks?
B
Would
it
be
that
900
000
figure
that
council
approved
back
in
january?
There
was
also
talk
of.
I
know.
Staff
was
looking
at
cost
for
and
again
what
they
approved
actually
in
january,
totaled
2.3,
so
we're
looking
at
you
know
over
three
million
dollars
in
projects
easily
and
that
doesn't
even
get
started
into
the
areas
of
creating
an
actual
rest
bathrooms
at
james
or
jesse,
which
don't
even
exist
right
now
again,
that
was
on
somewhat
of
a
short
list,
but
I
don't
believe
was
approved
by
council.
B
Yet
these
were
all
things
that
parks
and
rec
were
kind
of
looking
at
for
community
project
money.
A
B
A
H
B
Believe
we
just
wrapped
up
hot
spots
and
basically
we
were
moving
on
to
parks
and
it's
not
spoken
for
because
the
money
is
just
basically
it's
not
there.
That
was
part.
You
know
all
of
measure.
J
money,
including
community
projects,
has
been
sort
of
rolled
into
general
fund
right
now
to
try
to
keep
you
know
things
operational.
A
So
in
the
the
report
that
was
sent
out,
chantal
sent
out
in
there
was
still
a
million
dollars
for
community
projects
for
21..
Oh
no,
now
it's
been
revised
out
of
the
new
budget.
Sorry,
okay!
So.
H
It's
gone
so
the
2019
2020
community-
that's
already
that's
already
committed.
I
presume.
I
Well,
if
I
can,
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
it's
a
meaningful
question,
generally
of
how
we
would
prioritize
if
we
had
something
but
not
knowing
how
big
of
a
pot
we
might
possibly
be
able
to
segment
and
then
recommend
it's
almost
it's
almost
an
artifice
here
to
speak
of
priorities.
When
we
don't
know
if
the
number
is
one
or
a
thousand.
B
I
A
D
J
B
B
J
Let
me
see,
let
me
scroll
down,
I'm
actually
looking
at
the
staff
report
right
now
too,
so
to
get
it
if
we
abandon
it
right
now
and
stop
and
do
some
work
around
the
police
substation
we're
looking
at
about
total
cost
up,
because
there's
money
that
already
spends
it's
it's
better
for
the
commission
to
actually
read
the
staff
report
together,
the
total
cost.
J
J
So
it's
option
three
and
the
cost
for
option
three
is:
let
me
see
5.6
million.
G
What
agenda
item
is
this
on
thursday's
meeting
it.
J
F
B
Right
so
basically
in
the
5.6
million
figure.
Is
that
just
putting
dg
across
the
lot
doing
very
minimal.
B
J
Yeah,
so
for
for
that
particular
option
where
it's
only
very
minimal
landscaping
or
not
at
all,
just
dg
2.6
has
already
been
spent
to
date
about
1.1.
J
Let
me
see
would
be
to
do
the
complete
finish.
The
restroom,
some
of
that
money
has
already
been
spent
as
well
and
then
about
seven
and
seven
hundred
fifty
thousand
to
do
the
groundskeeping
just
deep.
J
B
For
the
rest
of
the
commission,
that
was
something
we
had
kind
of
promoted
to
council
as
well
that
we
would.
We
would
prefer,
at
least
from
our
subcommittee,
to
see
something
just
done
as
a
placeholder
and
it's
safe
and
it's
open.
B
The
bathrooms
would
be
operational
which
would
be
wonderful
to
have,
and
it
would
be
a
great
site
for
festivals
or
whatever.
In
the
meantime,
it
gives
modernism
a
home.
It
gives
the
film
festival
a
home
farmers
markets,
whatever
until
monies
are
available
to
either
move
forward
with
the
current
design
or
a
different
design.
B
One
thing
to
keep
in
mind
too,
and
again
I
just
don't.
I
don't
think
there'll,
be
the
monies
to
finish
that
part
as
designed
right
now,
and
I'm
I'm
a
little
skeptical
that
we
could
even
afford
to
maintain
that
park
as
designed
right
now,
with
with
a
50
cut
to
our
landscape
services
for
the
entire
city
you're
talking
a
park,
that's
gonna
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
plants,
some
aren't
gonna
make
it
some.
B
You
know,
there's
just
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
issues
that
could
come
up
and
with
a
real
shoestring
budget.
As
far
as
maintenance,
you
know
we
could
be
throwing
a
lot
of
good
money
at
bad.
G
Questions
sorry,
when
was
this
letter
sent
to
council.
G
Yeah,
so
I
think
this
is
a
super
important
conversation.
I
just
I'm
a
little
confused
as
to
why
we're
having
this
full
commission
conversation.
After
all,
these
conversations
have
already
happened
with
council
on
budget.
I
know
I
got
questions
that
there
was
a
measure
j
letter
about
the
direction
of
the
downtown
park,
and
I
knew
nothing
about
it,
and
so
it's
I
think
it's.
G
I
think
this
conversation
could
have
been
more
comprehensive
if
we
had
it
a
few
months
ago,
because
there's
a
lot
of
questions
from
community
about
what
measure
j
is
funding
and
what
we're
supporting
with
all
these
changes
in
the
city,
the
city
budget
changes.
So
that's
kind
of
my
my
first
point,
some
other
kind
of
things
that
have
come
up
around
just
kind
of
our
options
and
moving
forward.
G
I
think
it
does
make
sense
to
like
reevaluate
what
we're
willing
to
put
money
to
some
immediate
thoughts
are
four
million
dollars
for
essentially
a
second
police
station
and
gravel
seems
like
a
project
for
the
police,
not
necessarily
a
project
for
community
members,
and
that
was
how
we
were
trying
to
envision
this
park
as
a
place
for
tourists
and
families,
families
to
go
downtown.
G
So
I
would
like
it
to
seem
a
little
bit
more
than
just
like
the
bare
bones
option
of
an
operational
substation
and
bathrooms,
and
then
lastly,
I
would
say,
while
it
is
a
really
precarious
time
with
the
council
budget
measure,
j
funds
are
for
capital
infrastructure
projects,
and
it's
really
important
that
we
remember
that.
G
That
was
what
the
voters
voted
on.
That's
what
we're
going
to
be
held
accountable
when
we
have
to
vote
on
measure
j
again
and
to
say
that
I
feel
uncomfortable
personally
saying.
City
council
is
welcome
to
move
measure
j
monies
to
programming,
because
that
wasn't
the
purpose
of
measure
j
funds
to
begin
with.
G
So
there
are
large
parts
of
the
budget
in
other
places
in
the
city
that
is
not
getting
looked
at
as
proportionally,
and
I
don't
think
I
think
we
need,
as
a
as
a
commission,
be
really
mindful
of
the
purpose
of
measure
j
and
making
sure
that
we're
holding
true
to
that.
So
I'm
all
for
reconsidering
all
these
options
and
I'm
really
glad
the
staff
report
for
thursday
has
so
many
options
for
them
to
really
review.
I
think
that's
a
great
starting
point.
G
I
think
those
earlier
conversations
were
really
hard
and
we
didn't
know
what
we
could
really
how
we
could
revamp
the
downtown
park.
But
I
feel
really
strongly
that
it
should
be
on
on
our
park
options
and
and
even
with
the
other
kind
of
hot
spots
or
smaller
projects
that
we
have
in
the
queue
for
parks
and
rec
as
much
as
possible
going
to
infrastructure
and
long-term
investments,
whether
it's
downtown
or
other
parts.
A
Said
I
I
do
tend
to
agree
that
just
having
a
four
million
dollar
playstation
with
nothing,
there
does
not
make
any
sense
and
that
you
know
it
would
be.
Ideally,
we
have
something
to
use
sooner
rather
than
later.
You
know
part
of
the
measure.
J
was
infrastructures,
community
projects
and
downtown
revitalization.
A
So
you
know
in
in
a
different
world,
if
we
had
had,
you
know
lots
of
money
and
we
could
have
this
great
park
that
everybody
went
to.
I
think
that
would
have
been
wonderful.
A
I
think,
since
times
have
changed
a
bit,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
would
want
to
see
community
development
in
the
parks,
and
I
don't
think
it's
just
programming.
I
agree
that
doesn't
make
sense,
but
there
are
you
know
long-term
infrastructure
like
bathrooms,
which,
which
I
think
really
matter
you
know
with
james
or
jesse-
does
not
have
and
they've
had
a
tough
time
lately
does
not
have
any
outdoor
bathroom
on
the
weekends
in
terms
of
downtown
realization.
I
know
this
is
not.
They
are
not
the
major
players.
A
The
business
community
has
all
has
all
written
to
city
council
in
favor
of
a
finished
but
scaled-down
version,
so
they
also
don't
want
it
to
be
a
police
station,
but
they
would
rather
save
the
money
with
a
scaled-down
version,
and
this
came
from
main
street
chamber
of
commerce
and
the
hospitality
association.
A
So
it
does
seem
to
me,
like
you
know,
if
it
were
my
input,
I
would
agree
with
naomi.
We
can't
just
have
a
four
million
dollar
police
station
with
gravel
or
a
closed
fence
it
has
to
be.
I
would
prefer
personally
some
kind
of
a
an
open.
You
know
lawn
or
a
ground
scraping
that
could
we
could
use
the
other
thing.
Just
my
last
point
was
that
you
know,
as
part
of
the
business
community
we're
trying
to
figure
out
places
to
do
socially
distant
events,
which
is
getting
very
difficult.
A
It's
very
expensive,
apparently
to
shut
down
palm
canyon,
although
that's
been
a
discussion,
but
to
have
a
space
where
you
could
potentially
do
socially
distanced
markets
or
or
concerts
or
or
art
fairs,
or
something
like
that.
Obviously
you
know
safe
what
it
would
be
a
requirement.
It
seems
like
that
would
be
a
great
thing
for
downtown
for
both
the
business
tourists
and
community.
H
I
was
just
going
to
say
first
of
all,
naomi,
I
I
agree
with
with
with
with
much
of
what
you're
saying,
but
I
think,
since
we
have
nancy
on
the
line,
and
I
think
marcus
is
on
the
line
as
well,
it
would
also
be
useful,
even
though
it's
several
months
old
now,
I
think
most
people
on
the
commission
really
haven't
gotten
a
very
good
update
as
to
how
we
arrived
these
budgets,
which
were
just
sent
to
us.
H
I
I
The
same
shirt
a
little
bit
a
tag
along
I'm
sure
city
attorney
has
answered
this
question,
but
it's
never
come
to
us
as
a
body
and
and
naomi
described
it
which
is.
Can
you
answer
the
question?
What
was
the
legal
mechanism
that
enables
city
council
to
claw
back
and
divert
measure
j
funds
for
general
funds,
given
the
the
purpose-
and
I
imagine
it's
in
the
bond
perspectives
of
the
the
purpose
of
those
funds
and
that
issuance
to
begin
with,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
concise
answer.
I
We've
never
heard
it
and
it
would
be
helpful.
I
think,
for
all
of
us,
given
the
seriousness
that
we
bring
our
position
as
commissioners
be
helpful
to
hear
that
simple
response,
so
that
we
can
understand
how
we
got
here
technically
and
then,
of
course,
going
forward
on
a
more
practical
level.
It
would
be
helpful
to
receive
us.
D
L
It's
if,
if
don
or
joelle
or
marcus,
could
respond
to
this,
there
was
a
time
when
they
were
going
over
the
budgets
of
the
park.
L
The
company
that
was
going
to
be
doing
the
design
were
having
meetings
with
us
and
we
saw
the
price
going
up
and
the
water
treatments
etc,
and,
at
the
time
michael
braun
had
said
that
he
would
be
happy
at
his
costs
if
I'm
right
to
just
put
grass
down
in
the
sprinkler
system
for
the
time
being
for
us
to
have.
If
we
didn't
want
to
maintain
or
move
ahead
with
those
expenses,
this
is
pre
the
virus.
B
B
This
was
a
2014-15
plan
and
I
believe,
that's
about
the
time
frame
where
westman
was
still
in
charge
and
he
and
michael
had
committed
to
doing
grass
as
a
placeholder
while
they
hammered
out
the
details
of
the
design.
At
that
time,
the
park
budget
was
5
million,
it
did
creep
up
to
about
6.3
million,
and
then
we
had
the
2015
council
election.
B
So
council
members
had
changed
the
the
original
plan.
I
don't
know
if
I
forwarded
it
to
everybody,
but
it's
in
documents.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
very
specific
plan
for
it
to
be
an
entertainment
venue
and
the
public
had
weighed
in
and
the
biggest
component
that
the
public
had
weighed
in
on
is
flexibility
for
all
kinds
of
events.
They
wanted
it
to
be
able
to
function
for
a
farmers.
B
I
B
The
original
entertainment
design
that
died
that
design
actually
got
the
most
votes.
The
runner
up
to
that
design
is
the
design
that
we
see
currently
for
this
plan
for
this
park
and
at
that
time,
rios
was
working
with
what
he
thought
would
be
a
five
million
dollar
budget.
B
Obviously
we're
not
at
that
five
million
dollar
mark
anymore.
It's
going
to
cost
more
than
that
just
now
to
do
something
extremely
simple,
and
that's
that's
a
sad
fact
of
this.
You
know
it's
unfortunate
that
the
project
got
derailed
after
the
2014-15
council.
The
completion
date
was
supposed
to
be
september
october
of
2017..
B
We
would
already
have
a
park
and
it
was.
It
was
quite
beautiful.
It
had
big
grassy
areas
that
had
landscaping
and
they
had
a
place
for
maryland,
whether
you
like
her
or
not,
they
had
a
beautiful
amphitheater
design
that
was
gonna
have
sound
and
electricity
and
lighting
the
new
park
doesn't
even
have
that.
It's
just
a
simple
little
one
with
a
shade
structure,
so
it's
definitely
different.
It's
just
the
way
that
it
is,
and
unfortunately
we're
still
looking
at
a
pile
of
dirt.
B
You
know
rolled
into
hot
spots
and
they've
been
patiently
waiting
and
councils
approved
a
lot
of
these
upgrades
to
our
our
current
city
parks.
B
So
with
that,
I
just
again
we
were
just
looking
to
take
the
commission's
temperature
and
I'm
sorry
that
we
haven't
communicated
sooner.
I
was
traveling
in
june
and
and
we
actually
just
thought
this
was
settled
with
council.
B
I
don't
always
see
the
meetings
and
so
everything's
just
weird
now,
because
it's
all
virtual
and
we
just
thought
the
budgets
were
settled.
So
we
were
alerted
a
good
week
ago
that
this
was
resurfacing
again
and
it
wasn't
settled
and
we
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
get
together
as
a
commission
and
then
and
see.
B
If
we
wanted
to
make
a
recommendation-
and
I
realize
it's
vague-
we
don't
know
what
the
monies
are
that
are
going
to
be
available,
but
we
could,
as
a
commission-
and
I
kind
of
sense,
this
temperature-
that
we
would
like
to
see
things
that
have
been
approved
be
a
priority.
And
maybe
it
is
a.
B
Downtown,
but
not
exactly
what's
designed
and
put
money
towards
that
to
do
something
that
makes
it
functional
and
look
nice
and
it
still
can
be
somewhat
of
a
placeholder
for
down
the
road
when
budgets
maybe
get
back
to
normal
in
2022,
but
we'd
also
like
to
see
the
restroom
renovations
or
you
know,
whatever
else
on
the
list-
or
we
can
just
say,
we
want
to
see
council
definitely
give
to
other
projects
that
are
outside
of
just
the
downtown
park.
B
No
one's
really
brought
up
the
dog
park
issue
in
demuth.
We
maybe
don't
need
to
muddy
the
waters
with
that
that
can
be
up
to
council.
I
guess
to
see
how
they
can
handle
that.
Obviously,
it's
wonderful
to
be
given
a
grant,
but
it's
also
tough
for
the
city
to
find
1.5
million
to
match
that
have.
I
said
anything
out
of
turn.
G
That's
about
right,
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
hear
from
marcus
about
brian
and
dan's
question
on
just
kind
of
the
process
of
this
summer
and
in
terms
of
all
the
back
and
forth
and
delays
of
council
determining
the
budget.
And
this
three
million.
K
K
So,
as
a
general
tax,
it
goes
right
into
the
general
fund
and
then
we
transfer
that
into
a
separate
fund
the
text
I
included
it.
I
cut
and
paste
the
text
of
what
measure
j
actually
was,
and
you
can
read
it
for
yourself,
but
it
was
not
limited
to
capital
projects.
It's
a
general
tax
illegally.
It
can
be
used
by
the
city
council
for
any
purpose.
It
deems
necessary,
including
salaries.
K
Now
it
certainly
endeavored
to
enhance,
since
it
was
enacted,
allocated
measure
j
to
program
or
to
capital
projects-
and
you
know
in
this
extraordinary
time
that
we're
in
and
they
adopted
a
fiscal
emergency.
K
K
And
then
so,
council,
in
order
to
adopt
the
budget,
the
meeting
that
we
had
on
on
june
30th,
they
ultimately
decided,
by
a
vote
of
three
to
two
to
direct
us,
to
revise
the
design
of
the
downtown
park,
to
basically
create
three
million
in
savings,
and
that
three
million
then
gets
transferred
to
the
general
fund,
restricted
reserve
for
pensions.
K
So
that's
where
that
three
million
dollar
sits.
So
it's
not
a
pot
of
money,
that's
available
for
parts
projects
or
other
measure
j
projects.
So
what
we
will
be
discussing
with
council
on
thursday
night
when
we
finalize
our
closeout
of
the
fiscal
year
is
to
the
extent
there's
additional
revenues.
What
does
council
want
to
do
with
those
revenues
and
how
does
that
affect
how
we
move
forward
with
the
downtown
park?
K
A
K
See
there
are
two
members
of
council
two
members
from
aac
two
members
from
the
measure:
j
commission,
two
members
from
the
parks
and
rec
commission,
two
members
from
the
planning
commission
and
two
members
from
the
public
parks
commission
and
there
were
a
series
of
public
meetings,
including
a
joint
meeting
of
aac
and
planning
commission.
So
there
was
extensive
public
review
of
the
design
of
the
park.
That
was
ultimately,
you
know,
approved
by
council
and
then
is
what's
in
construction.
K
The
challenge
we
have
is
council,
basically,
is
directing
us
to
figure
out
some
options
that
are
strategic,
because
we
certainly
don't
want
to
spend
a
million
dollars
to
put
down
dg
or
turf.
If
we
come
back
later
and
build
some
portion
or
some
part
or
all
of
the
original
design,
we
don't
want
to
throw
money
away,
but
the
challenge
is
ever
anyway.
We
look
at
this
and,
as
we
noted
in
the
staff
report
for
thursday,
it's
difficult
to
do
that.
K
It's
difficult
to
do
this
in
a
strategic
way
if
we
don't
actually
implement
what
was
approved
and
is
under
construction.
So
we're
really
going
to
look
for
council
guidance
on
thursday.
The
other
challenge
is
that
we're
really
on
uncharted
territory
because
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
awarded
contract
and
we
have
to
negotiate
with
the
contractor
any
changes
to
the
plan.
Any
changes
to
the
scope
of
the
work.
K
We
have
to
basically
we're
at
a
disadvantage
when
we
have
to
negotiate
with
a
contractor
in
an
active
contract
and
try
to
get
credit
for
work
deleted
and
then
negotiate
pricing
for
for
new
construction.
So
it's
it's!
It's
it's
a
challenge
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
whatever
direction,
we
go
we're
going
to
realize
the
savings
that
that
everyone
wants
and
that's
why?
K
If
you
look
at
the
staff
report,
we
we
identified
option
one
which
is
essentially
just
stop
where
we're
at
fence
it
off,
keep
it
secure
and
let's
re-figure
out
what
direction
we
want
to
go
in.
What's
the
interim
or
new
design,
and
then
we
just
basically
come
up
with
a
design
and
re-bid
it
with
a
new
contractor
because,
as
I
said,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
to
try
to
do
this
mid-stream
in
an
active
contract.
G
Quick
question,
so
the
three
million
that
was
that
is
being
pulled
from
measure
j
that
needs
to
go
to
the
reserves
that
is
kind
of
been
determined
right
like
the
that
that
threshold
needs
to
stay
in
the
reserve.
So
the
money
that's
coming
back,
possibly
to
measure
j,
those
are
from
kind
of
miscellaneous
savings
that
have
been
identified
or
other
projects
that
don't
move
forward
or
I'm
just
kind
of.
I
think
we
were
talking
about
as
if
some
of
that
original
three
million
comes
back.
K
I
think
for
all
of
us.
You
know
it
was
unfortunate
to
have
to
cancel
all
those
important
projects
that
we
were
starting
to
work
on
with
demuth
and
the
ada
improvements,
and
you
know
we're
still
working
on
some
of
the
restroom
projects,
because
those
are
funded
with
cdbg.
K
D
A
You
know
I
I
understand
that
the
there's
a
lot
of
public
input
onto
the
original
park,
design
and-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
not
everybody
wanted
it,
but
a
lot
of
people
did
want
it
and
it
you
know,
there's
different
options,
but
you
know,
I
think
we
we
have
to
recognize
that
there's
been
a
drastic
change
and
you
know
I
I
think
it
is.
A
Unfortunately
you
know
we.
We
did
try
to
do
a
survey
at
this
point,
but
it
wasn't
well
formatted
to
rely
on
what
people
had
said
at
that
time,
because
that
we
there's
lots
of
things
that
were
not
under
discussion.
You
know
we
didn't,
have
police
losing
staff,
we
didn't
not
fill
police
positions.
We
we
had
assumptions
that
these
other
things
would
happen.
A
I
mean,
I
don't
know
the
numbers,
but
my
understanding
is
you
know:
80
something
city
staff
is
not
being
hired
and
there's
lots
of
other
things
that
are
being
you
know,
delayed
or
postponed,
and
quite
honestly
we
don't
know
how
much
longer
this
is
going
to
go
on
and
you
know
back
when
they
had
the
original
complete.
My
vote
would
be
to
have
a
completed,
scaled-down
version
of
the
downtown
park,
and
I
I
think
that
was
in
you
know
the
original
part
of
that
staff.
Memo
it's
option
two.
A
I
know
that's
what
the
business
community
wants,
not
that
you
know
they're
deciding
everything,
but
I
think
there
is
a
concern
and
I
will
tell
you
that
the
revenue
that
will
come
in
over
the
next
year
will
be
significantly
down.
I
I
think
from
my
read
is
that
there
will
be
no
major
events
or
tourism
for
the
next
maybe
year,
it's
unsure
about
the
convention
center,
because
that
is
still
in
phase
four,
so
I
think,
but
to
be
able
to.
D
A
And
I
don't
know
how
it'd
be
impossible
to
renegotiate
a
contract,
but
if
we
could
have
a
completed
scaled
down
version
of
downtown
park,
it
would
be
I
I
think
that
would
be
great
for
the
community.
I
think
it'd
be
great
for
tourists.
It
would
be
great
for
the
business.
It
is
not
the
original
plan
that
people
you
know
wanted,
but
we
can't
we
don't
have
the
luxury
of
doing
that
and
I'm
afraid
of
waiting
another
five
years
to
have
that
park.
B
D
B
What's
being
delivered,
it's
it's
more
like
they
combine
the
votes
of
the
other
two
options
and
said:
okay.
This
is
the
majority
of
who
didn't
vote
for
the
one
option
that
had
the
most
votes,
and
I
was
at
those
planning
sessions
at
the
convention
center,
and
it
was
constantly
talked
about
that
this
was
a
five
million
dollar
project.
B
It's
what
I
remember
I
was
there.
I
saw
the
plans
we
voted
and
so
and
yes,
we
were
part
of
that
subcommittee,
although
I
think
a
lot
of
those
members,
all
those
commissions
got
on
board
very
late
in
the
process.
I
know
we
were
so
was
parks
and
rec
to
some
degree
the
design.
B
We
really
didn't
have
much
of
a
say
so
that
just
was
the
reality
of
it.
So
marcus
I
mean,
does
our
opinion
matter
here
to
council.
It
seems
like
a
lot's
made
up
and
you
know
I'm
just
curious.
What
week
do
we
have
and
even
weighing
in
on
this
I
mean.
Obviously
we
can
make
a
recommendation,
but
are
we
just
spinning
our
wheels
at
this
point?.
K
Of
course,
what
you
say
matters
so
if
you
want
to
give
give
give
direction
to
us
or
communicate
in
any
way
you
want
to
the
council,
you
should
absolutely
I
just
like.
I
said,
council
wanted
to
be
strategic
and
not
throw
away
money,
and
it
seems
that
there
was
still
consensus
on
the
council
that
they
wanted
to
complete
the
downtown
part.
K
B
B
B
It's
a
difficult
situation,
it's
obviously
not
ideal,
and
I
think
I
think
council
probably
wants
to
do
something,
that's
as
minimal
as
possible
to
save
money
and
then
keep
it
open
for
redirection
down
the
road
and
to
to
make
it
a
really
great
public
space
down
the
road.
When
the
monies
are
there
and
that's
kind
of
what
I
wanted
to
get
a
feel
from
our
commission.
B
Do
we
support
that
and
then,
if
there
is
money
beyond
that,
should
it
go
towards
the
other
part
projects?
It
seems
like
I
haven't
heard
from
linda,
but
it
seems
that
you
know,
and
we
and
in
the
meantime,
everyone's
suffering
library.
B
You
know
programs
swim
center,
there's
all
these
other
things
that
you
know
are
not
getting
funded
and
I
think
kind
of
the
point
of
our
subcommittee
when
we,
when
we
address
council
on
this,
is
we
just
hated
to
see
all
the
eggs
go
to
one
basket
when
there's
so
many
other
areas
of
need
and
and
cuts
that
really
affect
community
members.
B
E
E
Yeah-
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
personal
comment-
I
really
agree
with
several
of
you
and
particularly
naomi.
I
think
we
have
been
appointed
to
be
the
safeguards
of
this
funding
so
that
there's
not
major
projects
that
are
coming
to
us,
that
we
are
really
looking
at
things
that
have
been
studied
and
and
clarified
and
defended,
and
we
are
in
a
really
really
serious
time
right
now,
and
I
would
hope
that
we
keep
in
mind
our
public
parks
and
the
work
that
that
commission
has
done.
E
You've
sent
them
back
several
times
to
review
their
needs
and
prioritize.
They
did
that
work
really
with
a
lot
of
their
time,
and
so
I
support
as
much
of
those
that
we
can
possibly
finance
to
be
done.
In
my
opinion,
a
longtime
citizen,
that's
where
the
people
go,
it's
great
to
have
a
beautiful
thing
downtown
and
I
I
know
the
business
people
need
that
and
it
would
be
a
disaster
to
have
a
another
pile
of
dirt
to
look
at
for
five
years.
E
That
would
be
awful,
so
I
support
us
being
very
conservative
and
what
we
do
offer
for
the
downtown
park.
But
my
heart
and
soul
is
really
with
parks
and
rec.
Their
money
has
been
removed,
often,
and
all
of
us
probably
here-
use
all
of
those
facilities
and
those
are
old,
old
old
buildings,
and
so
that
is
my
say,
and
I
I
do
thank
you
for
having
this
meeting
today.
There's
a
lot
of
new
information.
That's
come
forward,
so
thank
you,
city
staff,
and
to
you
cheers
on
and
all
of
you.
A
Jeffrey
go
ahead.
I
said.
B
L
I
think,
under
the
circumstances
that
we're
dealing
with
a
pandemic,
which
is
the
worst
since
103
years
ago,
that
if
we
cannot,
if
the
council
cannot
go
back
to
rios
and
say
we
need
for
you
to
come
up
with
a
version
of
this,
what
we
can
live
with,
what
we
can
deal
with
and
it
has
to
come
down
in
price.
Under
the
circumstances.
I
mean
it's
not
an
act
of
god,
but
it's
the
attitude
of
we're
in
a
very,
very
tough
situation,
we're
in
unchartered
territory
and
to
have
our
take
a
needed
to.
L
I
think
that
a
company
like
rios
who
came
with
high
recommendations
made
huge
presentations
to
the
city,
why
they
should
be
the
one
that
was
hired.
I
think
that
they
can
do
what
we're
requesting.
I
don't
think
this
is
like
trying
to
trying
to
create
something
new.
That's
never
been
done
before,
and
I
really
hope
that
our
recommendation
to
the
console
would
be
in
that
area
as
well
of
telling
this
company.
This
is
what
we
need,
and
what
can
you
do
to
make
this
happen?
L
L
These
are
the
things
that
that
I
object
to
as
being
part
of
measure
j
that
that's
my
feeling,
that's
my
opinion,
but
I
see
the
way
money
is
spent
over
the
years,
and
I
just
look
at
it
that
says
something
that
our
voice
measure
j
should
be
very
strong
to
the
city
council
of
we
were
there
in
the
beginning.
We
were
in
those
meetings,
as
you
talked
about
jim
in
1914
1950,
when
chris
mills
was
on
the
console,
boonier
was
still
the
mayor.
L
I
was
in
those
meetings
being
part
of
measure
j,
and
I
think
this
can
be
done.
I
think
this
company
has
a
responsibility
to
us.
The
times
have
changed.
This
is
nothing
like
we
thought,
and
I
just
feel
that
they're
not
looking
at
it.
That
way.
That's
what
scares
me
a
little
that
they
keep
talking
about.
We
need
to
complete
because
of
the
money
that's
being
spent.
Well,
I'm
asking
them
to
pull
a
rabbit
out
of
the
hat.
A
Jeffrey,
so,
if
you
look
at
what
happened
at
the
this,
the
in
june
when
the
city
council
is
staff,
came
up
with
an
option
that
said
complete,
and
this
is
on
page
three
of
what
don
just
shared,
complete,
a
modified
or
interim
downtown
park
that
would
include
the
police
station
and
restroom
building.
It
would
have
a
limited
desert
landscape
with
lawn
area,
complete
the
parking
lot
repairs
and
that
would
still
save
the
three
million
dollars.
A
It
would
take:
4.3
million
from
quinby
and
2
million
for
measure
j
and
to
me
that
means
that
if
there's
additional
funds
that
do
come
from-
and
it's
not
just
other
savings
that
you
know,
I
think
tot
from
vacation
rentals
has
been
higher
than
anticipated
and
there's
some
other
grants.
And
if
there
is
funds
available
that
we
then
meet
again
with
the
parks
and
rec
to
redirect
those
funds
to
to
other
community
parks.
A
And
we
can
work.
I
would
want
to
work
with
them
to
prioritize
because
I
don't
think
we'll
be
able
to
cover
everything
how
that
gets
spent
and
whether
it's
the
dog
park
or
these
restrooms.
A
But
I
would
say
if
we
have,
the
my
motion
would
be
go
with
the
option:
two
for
the
completing
a
modified
downtown
park
and
if
additional
funds
become
available,
that
we
meet
with
parks
and
rec
to
direct
them
to
community
parks.
D
H
Yeah,
I'm
just
wondering
we've
kind
of
gone.
First
of
all,
I
agree
with
the
first
part
of
that
jeffrey,
the
the
second
part
you
know,
we've
got
this
list
that
that
have
we've
been
back
and
forth
with
with
the
parks
commission
of
these
eight
things
that
total
925
000
I'd
like
to
offer
a
friendly
amendment
to
the
second
part
of
your
motion
to
direct
them
towards
those
they're
they're,
widely
spread
out
amongst
the
parks.
The
shade
structures
are
extremely
important.
These
bathrooms
at
jessio,
j
james
o'jesse.
B
G
D
J
The
whole
commission
was
gearing
up
to
present
those
those
nine
things
to
council,
as
as
the
next
million
dollar
project.
B
But
but
what
was
approved
in
january
by
council,
where
is
it.
B
They
did
approve
things
in
january,
2020
that
have
to
do
with
the
dumuth
and
then
sunrise
plaza
a
lot
of
it
wasn't
anything
really
sexy,
but
it
was
a
lot
of
window
replacement,
hvac
work
that
needed
to
be
done.
One.
J
A
I
J
G
I
just
have
one
question
about
this
9
25k
of
the
kind
of
priority
projects.
We
are
not
saying
that
this
is
in
order
of
measure
j
priorities.
It's
just
the.
G
That
we
have
already
all
agreed.
I
think
we've
made
that
very
clear
to
council.
G
Yeah
well
right
now
the
we've
spoken
a
lot
about
the
restrooms
at
james
o
jesse,
and
it's
the
last
on
the
list.
So
I
don't
want
them
to
think
that
that's
like
the
last
of
our
priorities
so
and
then
my
other
comment
would
be
around
that
it.
We
would
defer
to
parks
and
rec,
about
which
projects
of
these
eights
should
be
kind
of
what
their
timeline
or
or
priority
list
is
like
we're
comfortable
with
any
of
these
eight
and
parks
and
rec
can
decide
which
ones
to
move
forward
with
that's
what
we're
saying
right.
B
Yes,
correct,
okay,
I
think
we're
all
in
agreeance
all
right,
I
all
in
favor
aye
aye.
B
I
know
I
want
to
stay
here,
it's
like
72
and
pleasant.
Well,
it's
great
seeing
everybody.
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
else
on
the
agenda.
B
A
And
can
I
just
mention
two
things?
There
is
the
option
for
anyone
to
make
public
comment
at
the
meeting.
B
A
I
think
it
is.
I
we're
gonna
have
an
official
measure
j
recommendation,
but
if
somebody
else
has
other
things,
I
think
you
know
you
can
always
add
that.
Can
I
also
ask
that
we
get
copied
on
the
written
if
there's
a
written
recommendation
that
the
whole
can
the
whole
commission
be
copied
on
that?
So
we
have
a
record
of
it.
B
Yes,
I'll
make
sure
that
everything
goes
to
chantel
and
then
she
can
get
it
out
to
everybody
just
so
I
stay
within
brown,
act,
guidelines
and
and
again,
if
something
else
comes
up,
we
will
definitely
schedule
another
meeting
prior
to
september
24th,
if
need
be,.