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From YouTube: Planning Commission | Feb 8 2023
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Regular Meeting of the City of Palm Springs Planning Commission, held February 8th, 2023
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A
A
Also
customers
or
people
patrons
wanting
to
visit
the
commercial
area
and
park
in
the
back
coming
in
off
of
Gallardo
would
restrict
the
civil.
By
the
same
token,
they
would
restrict
residences
from
being
able
to
get
into
their
garages
and
they
would
restrict
commercial
vehicles
coming
into
service
the
commercial
businesses
from
being
able
to
do
so.
We
also
noted
anecdotally,
from
all
of
our
experiences
from
what
we've
seen
in
the
nature
of
this
being
a
downtown
setting.
That
parking
is
available.
Parking
is
a
fungible
commodity
and
there
are
many
places
around
the
park.
A
I
personally
would
be
a
little
bit
surprised
if
people
were
to
choose
volarno
to
park
there
to
go
into
the
commercial
area
there
is.
There
are
fields
of
parking,
as
has
pointed
out,
the
city's
parking
lot
immediately
south
of
this
project
and
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
There
are
many
parking
spaces
available
and
we
don't
really
expect
this
to
be
that
problematic,
especially
because
when
you
have
more
commercial
development,
as
we
have
along
Palm
Canyon
and
as
this
would
intensify,
people
will
park
once
and
walk
to
a
number
of
businesses.
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A
C
I
have
just
a
quick
comment.
First
of
all,
commissioner
Elaine.
That
was
a
wonderful
summary
of
the
lengthy
discussions
that
we
had
amazing
detailed
summary.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
we
did
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
on
making
sure
that
the
commercial
along
Palm
Canyon
was
going
to
be
viable
from
a
design
standpoint,
and
so
we
spent
a
little
bit
of
time
on
pushing
that
20-foot
depth
commercial
to
30
foot
depths.
C
Well,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
substantial
height
or
architectural
sort
of
fixture
at
the
corner
of
Chino
and
Palm
Canyon,
and
we
felt
that
the
North
End
of
the
site
coming
Southbound
on
Palm
Canyon
also
deserved
to
be
accentuated
with
some
height.
So
I'll
leave
it
to
the
applicant
to
talk
about
some
of
the
kind
of
the
lantern,
the
lighting
issues,
but
they
did
accentuate
the
height
of
both
of
the
ends
of
the
property
along
Palm
Canyon.
C
B
D
But
those
type
of
Mall
retailers
do
demand
more
clearance
than
is
being
provided
here.
But
it
was.
It
was
thought
by
the
applicant
and
agreed
to
by
the
subcommittee
that,
because
of
where
this
is
the
type
of
retailer
that
they
hope
to
attract
and
the
the
actual
configuration
being
Limited
in
depth
and
overall
square
footage
that
the
height
was
very
appropriate
for
this
development.
E
F
G
G
D
It's
going
to
be
in
the
order
of
2
000
square
feet,
one
thousand
square
feet
and
I'm
going
to
say
I'm
going
to
park
at
the
development
I'm
going
to
park
on
bilardo
and
then
I'm
going
to
walk
about
I,
want
to
say
about
500
feet
down
the
length
of
Chino,
turn
the
corner
and
then
go
into
that
store.
I,
don't
think!
That's
the
likely
scenario
of
the
users
of
the
on-site
parking
for
the
commercial
I.
Think.
D
G
Yeah
that
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
talking
about
it
seems
like,
like
you
said,
you
have
to
walk
down
the
street
and
around
the
corner
to
get
to
the
front
of
the
building.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
guys
kind
of
discussed
that
and
talked
about
that
Tina,
if
maybe
some
other
parking
around
somewhere
close
by,
would
have
made
a
difference,
but
it
sounds
like
you
said
you
guys
kind
of
discussed
that
and
talked
about
it.
Yes,.
B
A
A
A
landscaped
area
does
not
do
the
same
thing
if
you
were
walking
and
shopping
and
in
your
Urban
experience,
you're
not
going
to
be
drawn
towards
some
palm
trees
and
and
shrubs
in
a
small
kind
of
Garden
area
the
by
moving.
Nonetheless,
it's
good
to
have
a
variation
in
in
the
front
face
the
front
vertical
face
of
a
project
of
this
side
and
giving
a
recess
in
a
where
you
have.
As
is
shown,
some
vegetation
is
attractive
and
it
provides
a
bit
of
a
relief
and
it
provides
a
bit
of
Interest.
A
A
So
the
applicant
agreed
to
open
it
up
and
make
it
a
little
bit
larger
and
we
discussed
whether
or
not
you
would
be
able
to
as
a
pedestrian
to
walk
from
the
street
through
that
area
and
into
the
project,
and
the
applicant
didn't
explain
what
why
they
don't
think.
That's
appropriate
and
and
I
think
we
all
agreed
with
them,
and
the
applicant
said
that
this
would
be
kind
of
a
place
to
where
you
could
be
seated
and
wait
for
whoever
you
were
shopping
with.
A
F
A
The
North
Face
of
these
southernmost
belly
along
there
so
that
as
you're
driving
or
walking
southbound
a
long
Palm
Canyon.
You
will
see
into
the
store
and
also
from
the
south
you'll,
be
able
to
see
the
merchandise
on
display,
you'll,
be
able
to
see
attractive
colors,
and
they
were
talking
about
different
ways
that
they
can
get
their
tenants
to
really
engage.
The
interior
of
the
stores
provide
a
lot
of
glass
so
that
when
you
look
into
it,
you're
immediately
interested
in
drawing
into
the
shopping
experience
there.
A
So
it's
no
longer
kind
of
a
park
or
a
little
green
spaces
was
originally
intended.
Where
it
is
now,
we
think
will
really
serve
to
engage
people
who
are
enjoying
the
pedestrian
and
shopping
experience
rather
than
people
who
are
looking
for
an
extension
of
a
place
to
sit
and
have
their
lunch,
as
might
be
in
the
back
of
the
courtyard
just
to
the
South.
Where
we
see
coffee
and
the
other
businesses
there
have
created
a
dining
dog
park.
Recreational
almost
spot
off
of
the
street.
D
Commissioner,
Lane
can
I
just
add
something
so
chair.
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
right
hand
corner,
which
is
the
Southeast
corner
of
the
project
that
faces
across
Chino
to
the
chicken
ranch
I
think,
is
called
and
more
pedestrian
activity
I.
When
we
saw
this
in
study
session
I
I
wanted.
My
request
was
that
that
corner
be
activated
from
a
pedestrian
entrance
standpoint,
and
my
understanding
is
that
when
we
got
the
the
next
submittal,
it
was
a
park
and
it
was
requested
by
another
staff.
D
Member
and
so
I
I
was
I
was
surprised
that
they
didn't
have
this
type
of
resolution.
They
had
an
interim
resolution
where,
where
it
was
parked
up
to
Palm,
Canyon
and
and
then
we
all
subcommittee
and
and
an
apple
can
agreed
that
it,
it
would
be
better
serving
the
public
realm.
If,
if,
if
there
was
a
pedestrian
entrance,
that's
engaging
the
people
walking
from
the
south
walking
towards
the
north.
D
H
D
I
B
Are
are
there
other
questions?
I
know,
I've
asked
a
lot
of
questions,
but
mine
were
mainly
parking,
parking,
Park
and
consistency
of
this
Commission
in
terms
of
find
requirements
that
we
make.
We
still
have
the
environmental
consultant
to
come
forward.
Are
there
other
questions
from
from
the
commission
before
we
go
to
the
environmental
consultant.
K
The
awesome
group
and
we
prepare
the
secret
document
for
this
proposed
project.
The
proposed
project
actually
does
not
have
that
much
impact
that
many
impacts
other
than
just
to
be
on
the
safe
side
for
biological
cultural
resources,
because
this
is
a
vacant
lot
once
you
start
digging,
you
just
don't
know
what's
underground.
So
that
is
what
the
main
focus
of
our
environmental
document
was,
and
that
is
what
the
mitigation
addresses.
K
The
mitigation
measures
were
developed
by
our
subconsultants,
so
they're
very
technical
like
if,
if
something
were
discovered,
then
all
work
would
stop
and
they
would
have
to
notify
the
appropriate
offices
and
all
that
get
buy-in
before
they
can
start
work.
So
those
are
the
two
main
sections
of
our
mitigation
other
than
that
the
project
had
very
little
or
no
significant
impacts
for
any
of
the
other
issue.
Areas
under
SQL.
B
B
E
E
E
E
If
you
look
up
and
down
the
Uptown
shopping
center
area,
parking
really
is
not
provided
other
than
standard
street
parking
in
front
of
a
lot
of
those
retail
spaces,
because
it
is
much
more
of
an
urban
environment
for
shopping.
As
one
of
the
Commissioners
mentioned,
we
we
are
also
the
owners
and
Rios
was
the
designer
of
what
we
call
the
El
Paseo
project
with
the
workshop
restaurant.
And
if
you
look
at
that,
a
lot
of
that
parking
is
behind
and
a
lot
of
the
tenants
or
I'm.
E
Sorry,
a
lot
of
the
visitors
of
the
shopping
center
do
come
along
North,
Palm,
Canyon
and
kind
of
Window
Shop
through
that
area.
We
want
to
create
something
very
similar
to
that
here
with
this
retail,
the
retail
that
we
have
now
and
the
depth
that
we
have
now
matches
a
lot
of
those
small
shop,
tenants
that
we
do
have
in
that
shopping
center.
E
So
we
feel
like
it's
going
to
be
a
great
compliment
in
the
way
that
it
flows
now
with
again
a
little
bit
larger
spaces
a
little
bit
deeper
spaces
per
the
subcommittee's
comments
and
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
in
just
the
size
of
those
components.
Now
that
we
have
a
larger
piece
of
retail
on
that
front.
So
with
that
again,
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
this
opportunity
and
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
subcommittee
on
this.
E
E
So
I
do
think.
I
do
think
that
dorico
did
a
wonderful
job,
explaining
the
process
and
the
design
that
we
have
here,
but
we're
not
going
to
take
a
lot
of
time
to
go
over
a
lot
of
the
things
that
she
already
addressed,
but
do
just
want
to
allow
Elizabeth
and
their
team
to
present
a
little
bit
of
the
changes
that
we've
done
and
then
a
little
bit
more
detail,
and
maybe
some
of
the
residences
how
that's
going
to
flow
along
with
the
retail
piece
as
well.
E
E
And
with
that
you
know
our
local,
you
know
real
estate
investor
and
advisor
has
been
a
long
time
resident
of
that
old
lost,
Plumas
Community
for
a
long
time,
Peter
Mahler
and
you
know
with
them,
bringing
in
the
Rios
team
again
they're
the
ones
who
who
assisted
all
of
us
in
in
acquiring
and
redesigning
the
El
Paseo
shopping
center.
They've
done
great
work
for
some
of
the
other
public
projects
there
in
Palm
Springs
as
well.
L
Just
really
briefly,
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
present
this
a
couple
times
to
many
of
you.
I
think
we
really
want
to
make
a
very
sensitive
project
that
fits
into
Palm
Springs,
but
at
the
same
time,
becomes
really
a
landmark
for
the
community
and
I
think
this
is
such
a
crucial
site
because
it
really
links
two
different
neighborhoods
together
and
so
how
it
does
that
from
the
scale
of
pedestrian
point
of
view,
is
really
important
and
then
how
it
links.
L
Palm
Canyon
to
the
OS
promise,
neighborhood
and
mountains
is
another
important
fit
so
trying
to
create
a
community.
That's
very
safe.
It's
walkable!
It's
very
porous.
It
has
a
variety
of
sort
of
heights
and
masses
that
feel
appropriate
for
the
scale
of
the
context,
we're
really
trying
to
build
on
the
architectural
Legacy
of
Palm
Springs.
L
Finally,
we're
really
trying
to
make
a
place,
that's
very
sustainable,
and
so
are
we
looking
at
how
the
Sun
works
on
this
property?
How
we
create
shade,
how
we
create
movement
in
shaded
areas.
We
want
to
really
make
a
place,
that's
highly
sustainable
Elizabeth!
Do
you
want
to
go
through
this
sort
of
quickly
the
plans
and
sort
of.
H
Movie
real
quick
yeah,
thank
you
Mark,
so
just
jumping
through
here
I
know
there
were
some
questions
about
clarifying
what
those
setbacks
and
variances
were.
So
you
can
see
here
in
red.
That
is
the
only
area
that
we
are
requesting
a
bit
of
an
adjustment
on
that
variance
and
then
or
on
that
setback
rather
and
then
everywhere
else
in
blue.
We
are
within
the
requirements
of
the
setbacks.
H
I
think
we
can
jump
on
from
this
one.
So
here
you
know
again,
we
we
really
want
to
thank
the
the
subcommittee
for
their
thoughtful
contributions.
I
think
we
all
feel
that
the
project
has
greatly
improved
and
that
we're
we're
really
happy
with
where
it's
it's
developed
to.
So
you
can
see
in
the
pink
shaded
area,
that's
the
old
area
of
the
retail
and
then
what
we've
expanded
it
to.
Is
this
whole
block
here
with
a
break
at
this
moment,
the
other,
the
other
changes
that
we
made.
H
We
moved
the
the
gate
back
to
here,
added
a
lot
of
landscaping
and
tried
to
conceal
it
and
then
actually
on
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
that
we
also
heard
what
you
were
saying
about.
Not
wanting
it
to
feel
like
a
gated
community,
so
there's
actually
all
of
these
small
garden
Gates,
so
that
these
feel
like
town
homes
and
you're,
going
to
get
a
lot
of
activation
from
pedestrians
and
the
homeowners
coming
to
and
fro
from
their
Gardens
and
then
along
the
street.
There's
a
lot
of
different
entryways
and
transparency
to
that
retail.
H
So
this
just
shows
some
of
the
unit
mix.
I
know
that
was
one
of
the
questions.
So,
on
the
ground
floor
we
have
several
units
here
of
different
types
and
different
sizes,
so
that
there's
different
family
configurations
that
can
live
it
live
here
and
make
their
home
here.
On
the
second
level
you
jump
to
that
Danny
thanks
above
the
parking.
We
have
some
one
bedroom
units,
one
and
two
bedroom
units
here
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
as
well
that
you
know
along
along
bilardo.
H
Those
are
the
one
story
units
and
then
along
Chino.
It's
going
to
feel
like
there's
two-story
broken
up
by
one
story
masking
there.
So
we're
really
looking
at
this
transition
of
going
from
more
commercial
over
here
on
Palm
Canyon
and
then
having
it
really
gracefully
blend
into
the
residential
neighborhood
there,
so
that
it
doesn't
feel
like
this.
Abrupt
change.
H
H
So
this
is
where
we've
increased
up
to
the
30
feet
and
we've
really
enhanced
that
retail
with
a
lot
of
glazing,
and
it
stretches
all
the
way
up
to
the
North
End
of
the
site
where
we
have
another
30
foot
volume.
So
this
is
again
as
as
as
the
subcommittee
was
pointing
out.
This
is
where
we
have
those
two-story
volumes
at
each
end
and
just
I'll
erase
my
ugly
sketches.
H
So
what
you're
going
to
see
during
the
day
that
these
these
bookended
volumes
that
are
going
to
announce
the
site
and
kind
of
bring
attention
to
it?
But
then
at
night
the
reason
that
we're
thinking
of
these
screens
we
want
to
have
it
feel
like
these
lanterns,
that
that
light
up
the
area
that
really
beautifully
kind
of
respond
to
the
the
different
landscaping
and
the
Very,
like
you,
know,
local
landscaping
that
we
have
as
well
as
blending
into
the
neighborhood
with
with
some
of
those
same
features
along
Chino.
H
Also,
here
you
can
see-
let's
okay,
we'll
jump
on
I'm
running
out
of
time
here.
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
of
the
entryway
and
the
motor
court.
So
you
can
see
that
we're
proposing
for
that
gate
that
it
feel
transparent
and
there's
a
sort
of
visibility
through
it.
So
it's
it's
purely
for
those
security
reasons
and
then
to
to
make
the
circulation
a
little
bit
more
safe
and
not
have
that
crisscrossing
between
commercial
and
residential
circulation.
Next.
H
So
here
this
is
a
lancino.
They
just
wanted
to
emphasize
that
we're
going
to
have
these
Garden
gates
with
these
kind
of
smaller
Courtyard
areas
and
then
there's
this
layer
of
planting
that's
going
to
be
happening
along
these
walls,
so
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
landscaping
and
interest
for
the
pedestrians
coming
along
here
next,
so
view
of
the
Interior
Motor
Court,
the
parking
Court
view
towards
the
mountains,
the
pool
a
lot
of
landscaping
and
then
here's
a
view
from
that
northeast
corner
of
the
site.
H
So
again
we're
really
looking
at
increasing
all
of
the
transparency
so
that
whoever
the
attendance
may
be.
You
know
we're
looking
at
a
mixture
of
like
Boutique
crafts
Artisan
like
tenants,
whoever
they
may
be
they'll,
have
these
great
opportunities
to
share
all
of
their
their
Wares
and
have
an
opportunity
to
to
Really
activate
that
space
with
a
lot
of
light
and
color
next.
H
L
One
of
the
really
important
things
is
that
we
really
want
this
to
be
engaged
in
the
community,
and
so
when
I
think
of
a
walled
kind
of
private
Community,
it
feels
like
it's
really
turning
its
back
and
so
I
think
by
having
multiple
Heights
by
setting
the
walls
forward
and
back
by
having
the
Landscaping
having
the
penetration
of
the
screens,
all
the
Garden
in
trees
around
it
we're
doing
everything
possible
to
fit
this
into
the
community
and
The
Pedestrian
experience.
So
it
doesn't
feel
separate.
It
feels
inclusive
and
it
feels
welcoming.
B
M
M
But
overall
I,
like
the
building
two
two
comments.
One
is
in
this
photograph
I'm
super
happy
to
see
that
historical
marker
on
the
corner
there
and
I
don't
know
if
all
of
you
have
walked
by
this
we've
walked
by
it
every
night.
It's
extremely
important
to
keep
those
those
are
some
of
the
original
I.
Don't
know.
If
you
see
it,
it's
kind
of
right
at
the
corner
of
the
building
that
was
put
there
in
the
1920s,
it's
an
entrance,
one
of
the
original
entrances
to
the
Old
Las
Palmas
neighborhood.
M
So
whatever
you
do,
please
don't
touch
that
and
in
fact
it
would
be
neat
to
get
to
get
a
marking
on
it
and
designating
it
there's
also
one
at
the
other
end
of
the
property.
So
please,
whatever
you
do,
don't
don't
get
rid
of
those,
and
the
one
other
comment
I
have
is
the
elevation
that
I
haven't
seen
yet
is
kind
of
from
the
opposite
point
of
view,
and
that's
in
the
access
road
that
we
talked
about
the
dirt
road.
That's
to
the
side.
M
M
You
can,
as
you
walk
by
that
area,
you
can
actually
see
all
the
way
through
to
Palm
Canyon.
So
if
something
isn't
done
with
it,
architecturally,
it's
just
going
to
look
like
a
big
long.
Brick
wall
and
a
narrow
passageway
with
dirt,
so
hopefully
you
can
come
up
with
something
that
makes
that
look
as
attractive
as
the
rest
of
this.
B
E
Unfortunately,
we
do
we
don't
we
do
not
have
a
rendering
or
a
drawing
of
that
of
that
side.
Yet
so
you
know,
generally
speaking,
appreciate
the
comments
and,
and
certainly
Our
intention
is
to
keep
all
those
monuments,
as
they're
shown
you
know
in
our
drawings.
Now
it's
been
very
important
to
us
to
keep
those
historical
markers
so
very
much
appreciate
the
comments
from
the
neighbor.
H
Yeah
and
I
think
to
just
to
add
we're
we're
inspired
inspired
by
their
materiality,
so
you
can
see
that
some
of
the
the
stone
work
has
brought
has
been
brought
into
the
facade.
We
thought
it
they're,
really
they're,
really
quite
cool
and
they're,
like
you
know,
a
reminder
of
the
past
of
the
area
in
terms
of
the
north
facade
we
intended
to
be.
You
know
similarly
variegated
in
terms
of
its
massing
and
and
also
expression.
So
we
hope
that
we'll
be
addressing
that
comment
adequately.
B
E
Yeah,
that's
correct:
we
can't
we
can't
do
anything
inside
of
it.
We
we
can't
touch
it.
We
can't
regret
it
we
can't
plant
in
it.
However,
we
can
certainly
against
our
property
line
landscape.
That
area
break
up
that
elevation.
It
creates
something
that
feels
more
than
just
what
his
concern
I
think
is
just
kind
of
a
a
very
simplistic
kind
of
corridor
that
goes
through
there,
so
touching
it.
No,
we
cannot
do
but
complementing
it
on
our
side.
We
certainly
will.
E
N
C
C
E
D
H
D
B
D
Yeah
well,
first
of
all,
my
comment
is
I
agree
with
the
applicant
that
this
project
has
improved
it
specifically
the
commercial
portion
of
it
greatly,
since
we
first
saw
it
and
through
the
various
iterations
and
I
want
to
thank
him
for
being
receptive
to
planning
commissions
comments
and
concerns
and
I
I
personally
think
it's.
It
promises
to
be
the
best
public
building
built
in
Palm
Springs
in
quite
a
number
of
years.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
efforts.
D
I'm
ready
to
make
a
motion
I'd
like
to
be
ready
for
that
yeah
I.
Still
like
comments,
okay!
Well,
my
comment
would
be
when
we
do
make
a
motion
that
we
include
instruction
to
Arc,
to
review
that
North
facade
and
make
sure
that
some
of
these
concerns
are
addressed
other
than
that
I
I.
Don't
have
any
issues
with
any
thing.
That's
been
presented
and
would
agree
with
staff,
with
the
conditions
that
they've
put
together.
N
I'm
I'm
very
appreciative
of
the
work
that
the
committee
did
especially
meaning
twice
and
the
results
I
I
wasn't
there
on
December
14th,
but
I
do
remember
from
I
guess
it
was
January
of
21
of
yeah
21.
when
this
was
presented
to
us
as
a
study
session
and
I
think
it's
really
come
a
long
way
and
positively
so
I
feel
comfortable
and
also
the
issue
of
the
gate.
N
C
Yeah
regarding
the
gate
issue,
I
would
just
like
to
make
sure
we're.
We
are
acknowledging
the
difference
between
this
project
and
the
I
think
it
was
called
12
at
loss
12
at
Las
Palmas
project
up
north
of
here,
where
it
was
strictly
a
residential
project
and
we
had
a
real
concern
because
they
were
proposing
the
gate
essentially
right
at
the
property
line
along
the
side
street,
and
so
this
is
very
different.
C
It's
a
mixed
use
project
as
we've
talked
about
throughout
this
process,
the
need
to
separate
the
commercial
and
the
residential
traffic
and
to
prohibit
deliveries
for
the
commercial
from
going
into
the
residential.
The
fact
that
they've
Now
set
back
the
the
gate,
a
full
85
or
86
feet
back
from
the
belardo
right-of-way
line.
I
think
this
is
a
project
that
really
allows
us
to
support.
B
So
this
is
that
same
kind
of
project
where
we
haven't
cut
this,
we
haven't
created
a
cut
in
the
street
grid,
but
we
have
created
the
security
I
actually
think
the
location
because
of
the
heavy
traffic
might
pedestrian
traffic
potential
of
homeless
traffic
might
also
be
a
reason
to
allow
the
gate
that
we've
allowed
in
terms
of
the
project.
I
was
disappointed
that
it
didn't
come
to
us
with
a
landscape
plan,
because
I
think
that
things
should
always
come
to
us
with
a
landscape
plan.
B
The
markers
I
believe
should
be
marked,
so
there
should
be
some
kind
of
plaque
on
the
markers
and
it
should
go
to
AAC
with
with
a
requirement
that
the
that
the
north
wall
be
very
variegated
and
well
landscaped,
so
that
it
doesn't
look
just
like
a
wall
with
those
things,
I
think
I,
think
this
project
is
done
and
I
would
take
a
motion
from
somebody
for
approval.
Commissioner
hershbein,
you
had
a
motion.
D
D
Well,
the
conditions
are
that
we're
asking
RC
to
review
that
North
facade
or
that
north
wall.
If
you
want
to
call
it
a
wall
or
a
facade,
landscaping
and
Architectural
enhancements
to
it,
I
don't
know
that
they
have
any
control
over
those
markers,
I
think
they're
on
public
property
and
as
far
as
and
then
the
staff
staff
conditions
has.
D
F
There
was
one
other
clarification
for
consideration,
as,
as
you
make
your
motion,
there
were
the
two
engineering
comments
that
were
remnants
of
when
they
had
the
emergency
access
to
Palm
Canyon.
We
had
recommended
you
remove
if
you
agree
with
that,
I
would
ask
that
you
add
that
to
your
motion
as
well.
Well,.
B
A
F
E
B
B
B
B
B
So
you
have
you
have
a
community
that
you've
created
that
interrupts
the
city
streets
and
it
has
its
interior
streets,
but
you
go
through
Gates
to
access
the
community.
They
were
reading,
they
tended
to
read
more
they.
The
general
plan
concern
about
Gates
as
a
concern
about
those
kinds
of
gates.
The
other
three
City
councilors
felt
that
the
general
plan
that
they
have
held
us
are
our
position
on
Gates,
because
because
of
the
general
plan,
and
because
we
couldn't
make
a
finding
that
unusually
necessary
in
that
situation,
so.
B
B
B
I
have
one
request
for
the
planning
director
two
actually,
which
would
be
I,
would
like
to
know
what
our
standards
are
for
vesting
of
projects
that
have
gone
through
a
proof,
they've
gotten
their
approvals
and
they've
pulled
their
permits,
but
I'd
like
to
know
when
the
city
determines
they
vest
and
then
I'd
like
to
know
which
projects
that
have
been
approved
have
lost
their
approvals.
And
my
understanding
is
you
have
two
years
to
activate
a
building
permit,
perhaps
in
other
conditions,
and
just
where
we
stand
on
those
two
issues.
F
Absolutely
I
can
look
into
that
and
bring
that
back
to
a
future
meeting.
So
the
question
is:
at
what
point
does
a
project
vest
and
I
know
there's
been
I
think
some
differences
of
opinion
over
the
in
different
conversations
I've
had
about
that
so
I
think
that's
good
to
give
Clarity
to
everyone
and
then
the
second
question
is
which
projects
have
essentially
lost
their
entitlements
because
they
have
not
vested
yet.
B
F
Yeah
I'll
bring
a
more
full
update
on
that,
but
for
now
what
I
can
say
is
we
we
have.
We
have
continual
conversations
with
them
about
meeting
some
of
the
maintenance
agreements
that
they
have
made
under
their
development
agreement,
in
particular
sand
control
and
trash
control
and
encampment
control
and
security,
and
so
David
Newell
on
our
team
is
actually
out
there.
F
I
want
to
say
every
three
weeks
or
so
meeting
the
team
and
going
around
the
site,
walking
the
full
full
site
and
working
with
them
to
make
sure
that
they
are
complying
with
those
obligations,
so
that
is
ongoing
in
terms
of
what
they
are
looking.
You
know
to
do
for
the
broader
development
and
sort
of
where
they
stand
with
the
development
agreement.
Those
are
active
conversations
internally
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
I
would
want
to
bring
that
back
in
a
future
date.
Once
we
have
a
bit
more
clarity.
F
So
there
was
a
I
I,
don't
want
to
quote
the
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
there
there
was
an
amount
of
money
that
they
were
obligated
to
pay
the
city
as
part
of
the
development
agreement.
They
met
one
of
the
installments
for
that
and
they
are
have
not
met
further
installments
and
that's
part
of
the
ongoing
discussion
is
to
resolve
that
and
and
work
with
them
on
that.
N
Like
to
just
quickly
to
say
that
I
am
very
impressed
with
how
living
out
has
moved
so
rapidly
on
that
very
large
project
that
we
approved
not
that
long
ago.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
I'd
like
to
see,
and
you
know
we
approve
major
problems,
but
it
goes
back
and
forth
for
a
few
times
and
then
they
start
building
and
the
desert
age
for
dap
is
is
moving
forward
quickly
with
their
project
too,
so
that
those
are
encouraging
signs,
at
least
for
projects
that
have
approved.
F
F
You
know
it's
interesting:
it's
mixed
we're
certainly
hearing
from
people
that
that
they
are
expecting
to
run
into
those
issues.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
trickled
down
to
us
yet
in
terms
of
Permitting
or
things
like
that,
I
think
it's
more
and
it's
more
conversational,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
interest
in
pursuing
development
in
the
city.
I
will
say
both
commercial
and
residential,
so
we're
hearing
it,
but
it's
not
becoming
apparent
yet,
and
some
of
that
is
expected,
there's
always
a
bit
of
a
lag
there.
But
you
know
I.
G
It's
they
have
some
black
history
exhibits
that
are
available
there
at
the
Museum,
some
curation,
with
some
of
the
local
artists
as
well
on
the
11th
and
and
tweet
Antigua
Kitchen
and
Bar
at
4
pm.
They
have
a
sip
and
paint
project
that
they
have
that's
going
to
be
available
once
again
on
the
16th
of
February.
There's
another
Art
Exhibit
there
at
the
Palm
Springs
Art
Museum
I'm
on
the
18th
to
have
a
basketball
tournament
there
at
the
James,
o
Jesse
Center
at
10.
G
A.M
they'll
have
another
Caravan
of
African
American
history
through
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
on
the
20th
at
10
pm
and
the
departure
will
start
in
desert.
Highland
there's
also
going
to
be
a
mid-century
concert
with
Keisha
d
that
will
be
at
the
Hyatt
and
that'll
be
on
the
20th
from
5
to
8
pm,
and
then
there
will
be
a
Taste
of
Soul
that
will
be
in
desert.
G
G
D
G
Yeah
you'll
be
quite
surprised
that
a
lot
of
the
contributions
of
African
Americans
for
our
city-
it's
it's
really
cool
the
other
year,
they're
having
a
little
difficult
with
the
antennas
hooking
to
the
cars.
So
hopefully
they'll
have
something
a
little
bit
better.
You
can
listen
on
your
radio
and
it's
curated
by
Travis
Crawford.
So
he'll
walk
you
through
as
you're
traveling
through
the
city
about
different
architect,
projects
and
different
buildings
that
are
African-American,
influenced.
F
B
F
So
I
Mr
priest
is
going
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
brown
act
and
I
know.
We
had
started
the
conversation
at
our
last
meeting
and
we
expect
the
emergency
orders
of
state
and
local
level
to
expire
at
the
end
of
this
month.
So
I
thought
Jim
could
give
us
a
little
update
on
on
what
that
means
for
us
and
then
talk
about
what
next
month
looks
like.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
hadwin,
Madam,
chair
members
of
the
commission
good
evening.
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
really
quick
overview
of
some
recent
changes
in
the
law
recommending
the
brown
act
concerning
post
covid
public
meeting
life
going
forward
just
by
way
of
background
I
mean
the
original
Brown
act.
Everybody
knows
you
show
up
for
the
meeting
in
person.
O
The
there
had
to
be
an
interactive
access
medium,
either
a
two-way
telephone
system
or,
as
we
do
in
more
modern
times
now,
Zoom
teams,
this
internet-based
access
system.
One
of
the
key
things
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
is
you
also
had
to
identify
where
a
member
was
teleconferencing
from.
O
So
while
you
know
the
rules,
look
technical,
they
weren't
all
that
impractical,
even
in
those
days,
but
then
Along
Comes
covet
in
2020,
2021
and
now,
oh,
the
other
thing
I'll
mention
is
under
the
original
teleconferencing
rule.
You
still
had
to
have
a
quorum
of
your
board
present
at
the
live
meeting.
So
one
two
three
of
your
Commissioners
could
teleconference
in
under
the
old
teleconferencing
Rule,
and
that
was
still
okay.
If
you
followed
those
rules
and
then
at
least
four
of
them
showed
up
live
at
the
actual
meeting,
so
that's
the
original
Law.
O
Then
we
had
covet
come
along
and
the
problem
with
covet
is
you
couldn't
even
get
a
quorum
to
show
up
live?
Nobody
was
supposed
to
show
up
live.
We
were
all
supposed
to
set.
You
know
to
sequester,
and
you
know
protect
ourselves
with
covet
here.
So
ab361
was
passed
and
that
law
authorized
the
current
system
we
use
where
everybody
can
appear
by
Zoom
or
some
other
interactive
online
platform.
So
the
public
can
speak.
Everybody
can
provide
input
and
comment
there.
O
This
new
law
ab2449
preserves
that
covid
rule,
but
it
preserves
it
also
to
say
that
these
special
rules
only
continue
to
apply
as
long
as
the
Statewide
emergency
is
in
effect
and
as
Mr
hadwin
mentioned,
that
Statewide
emergency
for
covid
will
go
away
at
the
end
of
this.
So
those
covid
rules
that
let
everybody
zoom
in
and
nobody
has
to
come
in
person
to
the
meeting
we'll
be
going
away
shortly
and
2449
gets
into
that.
O
Says
that
these
coveted
rules
can
go
on
until
the
end
of
this
year
for
practical
purposes,
it
looks
like
it's
not
going
to
happen
because
again,
the
Statewide
Declaration
of
emergency
is
going
to
go
away
at
the
end
of
this
month.
So
with
that
gone
we're
going
to
be
back
to
the
default
rule
of
be
there
in
person
or
the
old
teleconferencing
rule,
but
ab2449
adds
a
couple
additional
exceptions.
I
will
note
that
they're
very
technical,
we're
still
you
know,
unpacking
some
of
this.
O
So
as
2449
is
you
have
your
basic
Brown
act
show
up
at
the
meeting.
There's
the
original
teleconferencing
Rule
still
exists,
but
then
there
are
two
additional
exceptions
where
you
don't
have
to
post
the
agenda
at
where
you're
located.
You
don't
have
to
identify
the
location,
the
agenda
and
you
don't
have
to
make
it
available
to
the
public
and
those
two
exceptions
are
one
if
there
is
an
emergency
circumstance,
some
sort
of
physical
Family,
Medical
Emergency
that
prevents
in-person
attendance
or,
if
there's
just
cause
and
that's
defined
as
child
or
family
caregiving
needs
contagious.
O
Illness,
physical
or
mental
disability
need
travel
while
on
official
public
business.
If
you
have
either
of
those
circumstances
and
you
notify
the
city
as
soon
as
possible,
2449
would
let
you
opt
out
of
appearing
at
the
meeting
in
person
and
appearing
by
Zoom
or
other
interactive
link.
That
would
still
be
a
requirement
for
anybody
that
doesn't
show
up
at
the
meeting
live
as
they'd
still
have
to
be
able
to
participate
through
an
interactive
length,
so
Zoom
is
going
to
be
with
us
still.
O
If
we
start,
you
know,
using
these
exceptions,
there's
a
lot
of
technicalities
to
them.
You
can
only
use
the
emergency
and
the
just
cause
exceptions
to
stay
away
from
live
meetings
for
up
to
three
months
or
twenty
percent
of
your
annual
meetings.
The
just
cause
exception
can
only
be
used
twice
in
a
year,
so
there's
a
lot
of
complicating
factors
in
using
these
new
exceptions
that
would
allow
somebody
to
opt
out
of
being
in
a
meeting
in
person
and
again
we're
still
kind
of
sussing
out.
O
You
know
figuring
out
how
we'd
be
implementing
these
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
That
discussion
is
going
to
be
happening
with
the
council
shortly,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
these
laws
are
out
there
again.
The
days
of
Everybody
participates
by
Zoom.
Those
are
going
to
be
going
away
shortly,
because
the
California
Declaration
of
Statewide
emergency
for
covet's
going
to
be
going
away
shortly,
and
so
we'll
have
these
other
options
available
to
us.
O
I
would
urge
the
Commissioners
that
if
one
of
these
circumstances
does
come
up
where
you
do
feel,
you
need
to
opt
out
of
the
meeting
and
you'd
rather
not
go
through
the
original
teleconferencing
rules
of
posting
and
all
that,
let's
talk,
and
you
know
we
can
make
arrangements
there.
But
again
before
we
get
into
any
of
the
details
of
this
there's
going
to
be
a
discussion
with
the
city
council
and
we'll
see
what
kind
of
policy
they
want
to
send
and
with
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
O
My
understanding
is
that's
likely
where
this
is
going
to
go
so
that
Medium
will
be
available
to
members
of
the
public
as
well
as
again
any
member.
Any
of
you
who
happen
to
opt
out
because
of
illness
or
just
cause
and
emergency.
Something
like
that.
But
my
understanding
is
that
it's
going
to
say
hybrid,
there
will
be
that
live
and
online
interactive
media.
F
Our
Direction
thus
far
has
been
to
plan
for
a
hybrid
option,
particularly
for
members
of
the
public,
so
that
we
are
kind
of
keeping
the
broadest.
You
know
reach
possible
in
letting
people
participate
so
short
of
council
changing
that
you
know
when
they
discuss
this
later
in
the
month.
That
is,
Our
intention
is
to
get
that
set
up.
I
will
say:
we
had
our
first
in-person
hybrid
Architectural
Review
committee
meeting
on
Monday
because
they
opted
to
return
sooner
than
than
required
by
law,
which
was
kind
of
a
good
test
run
for
us.
F
O
I
will
let
you
know,
members
of
the
commission
that
going
forward
once
the
California
state
of
emergency
is
finished
and
you
know
rescinded.
There
will
no
longer
be
legal
options
for
everyone
to
participate
online,
buy
it
soon.
All
of
the
exceptions
I
mentioned
either
the
old
teleconferencing
rule,
or
this
just
cause
an
emergency
exception.
O
You
still
will
have
to
have
a
quorum
of
the
commission
present
in
the
jurisdiction,
which
means
four
four
of
you,
typically
will
have
to
be
present
live
and
then
one
two
three
Commissioners
may
be
able
to
opt
out
and
participate
remotely
based
on
the
circumstances.
But
what
we're
doing
now
under
ab361
that's
going
to
be
going.
B
B
F
Sorry,
I
think
our
attention
is
certainly
to
continue
to
allow
that
flexibility.
It
doesn't
sound
to
me
like
there's
anything
in
the
law
that
would
prevent
that.
It
really
is
about
the
commission
members
themselves
and
so
again,
I
think,
barring
any
change
in
direction
from
the
city
council
when
they
discuss
this.
We
would
certainly
allow
that
flexibility
and,
like
you're
saying
we
have
you,
know
members
of
applicant
teams
who
may
be
across
the
country
and
rather
than
them
flying
in
for
the
meeting.
O
Yes,
I
I
would
say
also
just
to
contribute
an
additional
Mr
Hadley,
and
it
said
you
know
the
brown
act
and
these
rules
are
chiefly
concerned
with,
where
you
guys
are
where
you
guys
are
attending
the
meeting
and
then
as
long
as
the
public
has
an
opportunity,
either
in
person
or
through
an
online
medium
to
participate.
That's
fine
applicants.
On
the
other
hand,
yeah.
O
Call
how
they
want
to
do
that.
We've
heard
of
some
applicants
where
they're
doing
is
they're
having
the
local
representative
or
maybe
the
president
and
the
CEO
personally
attend
the
meeting
live.
And
then
you
know
if
you've
got
retained,
Architects
Engineers,
where
it
may
not
be
convenient
to
get
the
whole
team.
B
O
But
again
that
tends
to
be
more
focused
on
the
members
needs,
as
opposed
to
the
members
Partners
or
spouses
needs.
But
you
know
this
is
something
again
we're
going
to
be.
You
know
developing
over
time.
The
rules
are
kind
of
tricky
and
you
know
sometimes
with
these
it
just
takes
a
little.
You
know
working
with
it
a
while,
and
then
we
can
figure
out
all
the
you
know.
Logistics
there.
B
F
Right,
I
I
haven't
heard
that
there's
been
any
change
in
thinking
on
that.
At
this
point,
I
certainly
rolled
up
comments
that
I
received
from
you
all,
as
well
as
the
other
boards
and
commissions
that
come
through
planning
and
I'm
sure
other
you
know,
boards
in
commission
fit
as
well
for
consideration.
So
that's
that's
still
a
conversation.
That's
ongoing
I!
F
Don't
have
an
update
on
that
at
this
point
you
know
I
know
historic
preservation
board,
for
example,
decided
they
wanted
to
stay
in
the
evening,
but
might
appreciate
starting
a
little
bit
earlier
at
five
o'clock
just
to
sort
of
build
in
a
buffer.
So
there's
a
few
different
ways
that
different
words
and
conditions
want
to
cut
it
and
I'm,
just
not
clear
on
where
the
city
council
is
on
that
yet
I.
Remember
all
of
that
to
say
for
oh
I'm,
sorry.
F
Well,
what's
interesting
is
if
we
are
all
coming,
you
know
there
are
many
boards
and
commissions
Beyond,
even
just
the
three
that
kind
of
undertake
planning
related
items
and
then
there's
the
city
council.
We
only
have
so
many
meeting
spaces.
So
I
don't
know
I,
don't
have
the
context
from
pre-covet
of
how
that
was
all
worked
out,
but
I
can
imagine
it
becomes
a
bit
of
a
chess
game
and
making
sure
we
have
a
place
to
meet
so
I
know
for
us.
We
meet
in
the
council
chambers,
Wednesday
nights.
F
B
F
F
F
Yeah
I,
if
Madam
chair,
if
I
might
I,
only
have
sort
of
one
or
two
other
updates.
If
you
want
me
to
continue
I
can
unless
there's
other
questions
just
one
other
update,
I.
Think
I
had
mentioned
this
at
the
last
meeting
that
we
were
taking
an
urgency
ordinance
to
the
city
council
related
to
changes
that
were
made
at
the
state
level
for
accessory
dwelling
units.
F
So
those
changes
took
effect,
January
1st,
which
essentially
meant
that
our
Adu
ordinance
here
in
the
city
was
not
in
effect
for
being
not
in
compliance
with
state
law.
So
we
took
that
urgency
ordinance
to
the
city
council
at
their
last
meeting
and
they
did
approve
it.
So
we
are
once
again
compliant
the
changes.
Are
you
know
relatively
minor?
They
you
know
are
obviously
moving
the
needle
a
little
bit
more
to
be
more
permissive
to
adus
and
to
remove
more
barriers
to
the
production
of
adus.
F
The
biggest
sort
of
you
know.
Zoning
standard
change
that
was
made
were
increases
in
height,
so
I
think
the
former
ordinance
had
a
maximum
height
limit
of
16
feet.
State
law
changed
that
to
be
18
feet.
In
most
instances,
where
close
to
a
Transit
within
500
feet
of
a
Transit
stop
or
bus
stop
and
up
to
25
feet
in
other
instances,
including
multi-family
building,
so
there
were
some
height
changes
there
and
then
just
some
some
items
around.
F
You
know
local
jurisdictions
obligation
that
they
choose
to
deny
a
permit
or
push
back
on
an
Adu.
You
know
having
to
list
out
the
reasons
why
and
allowing
applicants
the
opportunity
to
remedy
those
issues
to
obtain
an
approval,
so
a
really
restricting
the
ability
to
turn
these
things
down.
I,
don't
know
that
that's
necessarily
been
the
experience
here
in
Palm
Springs.
F
We
will
in
any
event
be
working
on
a
permanent
ordinance
and
sort
of
looking
at
what
else
we
might
need
to
Tinker
to
implement
this
effectively
or
what
other
changes
we
may
need
to
to
make
to
make
our
ordinance
more
effective,
based
on
our
experience
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
so
that
will
be
coming
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
at
some
point
this
spring
for
discussion
and
input
before
we
move
it
forward
to
the
city
council.
So
we'll
be
looking
for
your
input
on
that.
As
we
start
to
develop
that.
F
Absolutely
there
were
some
exceptions
made
for
adus
on
multi-family
lots
and
buildings,
and
so
the
way
that
I
think
the
ordinance
worked
now
was
it
allowed
you
to
have
up
to
two
adus.
If
you
met
certain
setbacks,
which
and
I
think
it
was
four
feet,
the
state
law
essentially
eliminated
that
and
said
for
an
existing
multi-family
lot
or
building.
That
is
not
able
to
make
that
step
back.
We
will
are
still
obligated
to
allow
it
and
we
cannot
condition
allowing
that
Adu
on
making
changes
to
the
building
to
accommodate
the
setback.
F
So
it's
it's
really
making
exception
for
existing
laws
and
buildings
yeah
and
essentially
limiting
one
of
the
other
things
that
did
that
a
little
more
administrative
but
certainly
has
an
effect,
is
really
limiting
the
ability,
if
you're,
not
meeting
the
required
zoning
standards,
it's
limiting
our
ability
to
say
no
to
adus
unless
there's
an
immediate
health
or
public
safety
risk.
So
again,
if
you're
not
meeting
a
setback
or
some
other
sort
of
zoning
standard,
there
needs
to
be
a
really
solid
reason
to
not
allow
that
Adu
to
to
move
forward.
Yeah.
F
So
stay
tuned,
that's
all
I
have
okay,
oh
and
just
one
other
thing.
Just
because
I
we
should
start
updating
at
every
meeting.
I
think
we
have
made
some
Headway
on
our
housing
elements,
and
so
we
are
excited
to
be
resubmitting
that
to
hcd
imminently
for
their
mandatory
review.
We
are
going
to
make
the
request
that
they
expedite
that
review
so
that
we
are
coming
into
compliance
with
our
requirements
to
have
an
approved
housing
element
as
quickly
as
possible.