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From YouTube: Planning Commission | Dec 14 2022
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Regular meeting of the City of Palm Springs Planning Commission, held December 14th, 2022
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B
I
I
think
it's
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission,
whether
they
wanted
to
State
for
the
public
record.
You
know
any
of
the
the
questions
that
were
raised,
but
I
know
the
applicant
is
going
to
work
to
address,
but
I
also
think
that
that
could
be
addressed
through
a
subcommittee
and
at
the
next
meeting,
when
this
does
come
back.
So
I
think
it's
it's
up
to
you,
commissioner,
if
you
want
to
put
anything
on
the
public
record
at
this
point.
E
Well,
there's
there
were
a
couple
of
well
there's,
there's
sort
of
a
umbrella
issue
and
then
there's
specifics
to
that
and
the
umbrella
issue
is
I.
Don't
believe
the
project
complies
with
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
to
provide
credible,
Public
Access
space
along
Palm
Canyon
and
then
there's
some
specific
follow-ups
to
that.
F
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
before
we
continue
this
discussion,
because
this
is
a
notice
to
public
hearing
item
for
this
evening.
I
might
suggest
that
we
get
to
that
item
and
actually
open
the
public
Hearing
in
case
anybody
has
something
to
say
and
then,
if
the
commission
would
like
to
have
its
discussion
and
then
continue
the
item,
it's
free
to
do
so.
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B
F
A
B
A
Okay,
this
is,
we
are
at
public
comments,
time
to
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
consent,
calendar
and
other
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
our
jurisdiction.
Please
note
that
the
plan
and
commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
the
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Each
speaker
will
be
allowed
three
minutes
three
minutes.
Testimony
for
public
hearing
may
be
offered
at
this
time.
A
A
Then
the
public
hearing
is
closed
and
we
are
going
to
the
consent
calendar.
There
are
two
items
on
the
consent:
calendar
one
is
the
approval
of
the
October
22nd
2022
minutes
and
then
the
November
9
2022
minutes
time
will
refuse
myself
in
the
I
believe
it
is.
The
November
9th
meeting
as
I
was
not
in
attendance.
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A
Okay,
moving
right
along
the
first
public
hearing
is
to
a
Sun
Ray
Naturals
LLC,
seeking
a
conditional
use
permit
for
cannabis
cultivation
operation
within
an
existing
14
293
square
foot,
building
on
a
6080
square
foot
parcel
or
with
680
6080
square
feet
dedicated
to
grow
operations
to
include
transportation
and
distribution
at
690,
West,
Garnett,
Avenue
Zone,
one
p
staff
report.
Please.
J
J
So
the
property
located
at
690,
West
Garnett,
is
a
14
000
square
foot.
Building,
currently
half
of
the
building
is,
is
used
by
a
cannabis.
Dispensary
called
Bare
Necessities
this.
What
received
its
regulatory
permit
in
2017
and
is
currently
operating
out
of
half
of
the
building,
so
Sunray
is
going
into
the
second
portion
of
the
building
and
I'll
get
to
a
floor
plan
in
just
a
minute,
but
to
orient
the
commission.
J
This
property
is
located
south
of
the
I-10
and
north
of
Garnet
Avenue
in
the
north
end
of
town
near
The,
Interchange
of
I-10
and
Indian
Canyon,
as
was
right
into
the
record.
The
zoning
is
m1p
and
it
is
located
in
the
Cannabis
overlay
Zone,
which
is
an
area
of
the
city
that
is
dedicated
to
or
allows
possible
cannabis
operations,
such
as
growth
facilities
and
so
forth.
J
So,
looking
at
the
site
plan,
which
is
included
in
your
packet,
it
shows
41
parking
spaces
which
are
currently
there.
The
site
plan
won't
change.
The
building
exterior,
won't
change.
What
they're
proposing
to
do
is
to
excuse
me,
convert
a
portion
of
the
building
with
three
grow
rooms
and
I'll
Point
them
out,
there's
a
floor
plan
that
we'll
get
to
in
just
a
minute
that
shows
where
the
in
the
building
location
of
all
these
items
are.
J
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
parking
spaces
that
are
currently
allocated
for
the
dispensary
and
spaces
that
will
be
allocated
for
the
cultivation
and
they
do
meet
all
the
parking
requirements
as
part
of
their
city
regulatory
permit.
The
applicant
needed
to
submit
an
over
control
plan,
which
was
approved
by
the
city.
Our
consultant
is
available
once
I'm
finished,
with
my
presentation,
they'll
be
available
to
discuss
and
answer
any
questions
the
Planning
Commission
may
have
so
in
within
the
order
control
plan.
J
They
are
using
industry,
Standard
carbon
filters,
a
box
within
a
box,
meaning
that
there
are
new
walls
that
are
impermeable
that
will
be
placed
within
the
grow
facility
areas,
closed
loop,
HVAC
systems,
other
controls
and
staff
training
project
did
go
through
an
environmental
review.
An
initial
study
was
prepared
by
an
outside
consultant
Terra
Nova
group,
who
was
hired
by
the
city.
They
looked
at
energy
use.
J
All
the
specific
requirements
for
initial
study
and
a
negative
Declaration
was
determined
in
looking
at
the
environmental
review.
Our
city
consultant
from
Terra
Nova
is
available
also
for
a
discussion
if
the
Planning
Commission
has
any
questions
in
just
a
minute.
At
my
end
of
my
presentation,
within
the
environmental
review,
the
it
looked
at
Wastewater
water
quality,
the
Wastewater
will
be
collected
in
hauled
off
site
they'll,
be
using
Plumbing
fixtures
that
remove
that
use,
25
less
consumption
and
the
water
demand.
J
J
J
So,
looking
at
the
conclusion,
staff
feels
that
the
findings
that
need
to
be
met
by
the
Planning
Commission
can
be
met.
We
recommend
that
you
adopt
the
negative
declaration
per
sequa
and
improve
the
conditional
use
permit
with
conditions
attached
so
chair.
That
concludes
my
report
and,
as
I
mentioned,
Nicole
Chris
from
Terra
Nova
is
here
and
also
our
city
order.
Consultant
is
available.
L
A
L
A
E
J
Right
so
the
in
the
the
drawings
that
were
submitted,
there
is
a
a
construction
documents
that
show
page
a
1.2
which
shows
the
type
of
wall
insulation
that
will
be
used
within
the
facility
to
contain
odors
and
Light
and
Water
and
so
forth.
When
they
clean
the
the
rooms
themselves.
The
applicant
may
be
able
to
describe
this
better,
or
maybe
our
environmental,
Consultants
or
or
noise
consult
or
other
consultant.
L
Yeah,
if
I
could
chime
in
the
Box
in
a
box
is
a
little
bit
of
Legacy
nomenclature
for
what
the
intent
and
goal
was
years
ago
during
the
beginning
of
this
process,
that
was
when
the
requirements
allowed
for
the
air
moving
components
of
the
system
to
exist
outside
of
the
building.
So
we
were
more
concerned
with
making
sure
we
had
dual
layers
of
Separation
now
that
the
requirements
require
the
air
moving
components
of
the
system
be
located
within
the
building.
L
E
L
The
build
the
requirements
of
the
order
of
mitigation,
the
odor
mitigation
requirements
require
the
building
to
be
kept
under
negative
pressure.
So
if
there
was
an
allowable
crack
that
would
be
moving
against
the
Airstream,
we
also
require
the
applicants
to
record
to
mandate
that
they
sealed
the
buildings
in
accordance
with
elevated
tier
one
standard
codes,
Under
the
green
construction
standards.
D
My
question
deals
with
the
energy
use
during
operation
in
the
environmental
analysis
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
actually
for
staff
or
votes
for
Ms
Chris
or
who
it's
for,
but
in
the
discussion
in
the
staff
report
about
the
environmental
analysis,
it
indicates
that
the
project
is
designed
with
Energy
Efficiency.
It's
going
to
significantly
reduce
the
energy
demands
compared
with
the
standard
cannabis
facility.
D
D
D
However,
in
the
memo
that
we
have
from
Synergy,
they
are
talking
about
the
same
lighting
and
how
much
energy
it's
going
to
save.
But
it
says
that
this
lighting
is
standard
within
the
industry.
It
says
it
just
the
decision
to
do
that
is
consistent
with
industry
standard
practices,
so
I'm
wondering
what
this
project
is
really
doing,
that
is
atypical
of
other
cannabis
facilities
to
save
energy,
save
not
buy
it
from
a
different
place,
but
how?
How
is
it
conserving
energy.
M
And
I,
wouldn't
I.
I
would
also
so
ask
that
the
the
applicant's
representative
discuss
it
at
greater
length,
but
the
the
issue
from
a
secret
perspective
is
that
they
are
exceeding
that
soon
to
be
adopted.
Energy
codes,
the
2023
energy
code,
which
is
which
is
considerably
more
energy
efficient
in
its
requirements.
M
Then
the
construction
even
of
the
the
existing
portion
of
the
building,
which
was
built
under
less
stringent
building
codes
and
energy
codes.
Those
all
of
those
codes
are
adopted
together,
as
you
know,
and
and
this
building
was
was
constructed
two
codes
ago,
and
so
the
analysis
that
was
conducted
by
the
con
consultant
pertains
the
energy
code,
efficiencies
as
opposed
to
existing
conditions.
A
N
N
A
O
O
O
We
start
we
have
a
tenant
that
has
the
dispensary
we've
been
trying
to
utilize
the
building
the
best
we
can
make
sure
that
it
gets
whatever
we
can,
which
is
good
stuff
we're
looking
to
do
the
cultivation,
perhaps
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
maximize
whatever
we
can,
with
the
building
being
that
it's
a
good
building
and,
of
course,
we
have
our
Engineers.
Working
with
this,
we
have
Amy
has
been
involved
with
the
city
on
our
behalf
with
this
you
know
close
to
two
years,
making
sure
that
everything,
whatever's
necessary
should
be
done.
O
We're
looking
for
the
cultivation,
transportation
and
devices
to
be
able
to
cultivate
and
also
have
the
delivery
option
to
deliver
the
Cannabis
to
whoever
we
need.
Whoever
needs
to
have
it
done.
That's
not
good
working
one,
just
as
a
little
background,
I'm
not
going
to
take
the
time.
I
know
we
have
a
very,
very
precious
group.
Listening
to
us,
we
had.
We
got
involved
in
this
in
a
certain
way.
We
have
a
grandchild.
I'll
put
it
back
back.
O
East
that
has
suffering
from
seizures
for,
for
years
is
a
seven
seven
year
old
child
and
we've
been
told
by
Lewis
doctors.
That
cannabis
is
something
that
helps
for
seizures
in
tremendously,
if
you
haven't
tried
it
yet,
but
knowing
that
this
is
something
that's
been
produced
and
it's
natural
and
there's
nothing
that
no
side
effects
that
as
medication.
O
O
Houdini
back
East
knows
that
it's
something
that
carries
a
lot
of
weight
that
people
enjoy
and
we're
looking
to
do
the
same
thing
but
give
Pride
to
the
community
and
for
the
city
to
say
this
is
one
cultivation
facility
to
really
keeps
up
the
standard
or
Beyond
standard
as
everything
the
rate
should
be
done
and
nothing
should
be
and
no
the
chart
calling
any
corners
and
doing
anything.
It's
appreciate
to
be
able
to
have
an
opportunity
to
get
the.
A
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A
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N
A
Moving
on
to
item
2B
12
at
Las,
Palmas
LLC
for
a
conditional
use
per
permit,
major
development
permit
and
tentative
track
map
to
construct
a
12-unit
multi-family
residential
development
consisting
of
for
sale,
condominiums
on
a
0.95
Acre
Site
located
at
1424,
Camino,
Norte,
Zone,
C1
and
R2
a
staff
report.
Please.
P
P
At
the
October
hearing
on
October
12th,
the
Planning
Commission
continued
the
matter
to
tonight's
meeting
directing
the
applicant
to
address
some
items,
one
relative
to
the
landscape
plan,
including
more
trees
and
further
developing
that
plan.
Other
issues
were
relative
to
the
elevations,
particularly
along
Palm
Canyon,
and
the
single
story.
Living
Spaces
that
front
that
area
of
the
project,
as
well
as
the
design
of
the
the
unit
that
faces
Camino
Norte,
and
then
there
were
some
direction
on
handling
waste
disposal
and
the
applicant
to
remove
the
gate.
P
So
let
me
go
through
some
of
the
items
that
have
changed
based
on
your
direction
as
your
Azure.
We
call
just
to
orient
everyone
from
this
to
where
the
site
is
located.
It
is
west
of
Palm,
Canyon
and
Camino.
Monte
Vista
that
intersection
it's
east
of
Camino,
Norte,
north
of
burrito,
Norte
and
south
of
Stevens
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
P
P
In
terms
of
the
elevation,
the
two-dimensional
view
of
that
street
Frontage,
this
is
kind
of
the
design
inspiration
seen
here
at
the
bottom
left.
It
was
from
Park
Imperial
South,
which
is
nearby,
so
you
see
there
there's
the
existing
decorative
block
on
that
project.
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
the
CMU
block
shown
in
the
material
selection
here
is
is
kind
of
just
for
reference,
but
they
do
intend
to
incorporate
a
decorative
block
on
the
lower
portion
of
this
elevation.
P
P
I
believe
this
has
a
similar
setback
to
the
project
site,
so
roughly
five
feet
from
the
property
line.
That
being
said,
the
projects
on
the
south
does
have
raised
planters
that
have
more
depth
similar
to
what
they're
proposing
here
on
the
North
side
on
the
photo
housing
project,
there
is
more
depth
between
the
property
line
and
the
unit
itself.
They
do
have
deeper
overhangs
on
this
project.
P
P
At
the
last
review
of
this,
the
commission
had
some
comments
about
further
developing
this
landscape
plan
and
providing
additional
trees
for
the
project,
so
that
was
the
previous
elevation
or
previous
landscape
plan.
This
is
the
revised
landscape
plan
showing
the
incorporation
of
additional
trees
along
Palm
Canyon,
but
also
showing
locations
of
the
Palms
in
the
sidewalk,
as
well
as
some
additional
trees
that
are
in
various
interior
locations.
P
P
P
The
letter
does
state
that
the
Project's
entrance
relative
to
Camino
Norte
roadway
is
a
traffic
Hazard,
explaining
that
residents
that
have
observed
narrowly
missing,
collisions
between
vehicles
and
pedestrians
near
this
curve,
and
that
an
unusual
circumstance
exists
due
to
this
curve,
but
based
on
the
city's
City
Engineers
review.
The
project
does
not
present
unusual
circumstance
because
there
are
other
residential
developments
similar
to
the
project
on
the
same
street.
They
take
vehicular
access
from
Camino
Norte,
so
consequently
the
project
would
be
similar
and
not
unusual,
with
existing
developments
along
Camino
Norte.
P
P
P
P
P
E
E
E
Q
E
P
E
Well,
yeah,
but
in
a
parking
lot
you
don't
have
a
building
right
next
to
the
tree,
I'm
just
wondering
if
10
feet,
because
it's
it's
really
going
to
be
less
than
five
feet
from
the
trunk
right.
If
it's
in
the
center
there,
it's
probably
going
to
be
like
four
feet.
Four
and
a
half
feet
from
the
trunk
is
that
enough
for
a
tree,
especially
a
Palo
Verde,
even
though
Olive
Tree
after
it
gets
bigger.
P
P
B
Commissioner,
hirschwan
I
believe
that
we
had
sort
of
examined
this
in
response
to
the
last
discussion
and
it
was
determined
that
we
could
not
put
the
tree
in
the
right-of-way,
so
it
would
have
to
you
know.
Part
of
this
is
already
in
the
right-of-way,
have
five
feet
of
this
planter
as
I
understand
it,
so
the
tree
would
need
to
be
located
within
those
planter
boxes.
B
Certainly,
look
at
that
in
addition
to
what
species
would
be
most
successful
in
this
type
of
planting
box.
If
you
want
to,
if
that's
your
direction,
we
could
work
on
that,
certainly
with
the
applicant
and
with
the
city
engineer
and
others
to
make
sure
that
we're
complying
with
all
of
the
regulations
here.
Okay,
thank
you.
D
I
Yes,
thank
you.
I
I,
think
that
commissioner
spine's
concern
about
Tree
location
is
a
good
one.
Is
there
any
reason
we
can't
just
suggest
to
the
applicant
that
they
plant
the
tree
closer
to
the
sidewalk
than
the
building
that
way
it
would
have
some
room
and
not
have
its
branches
grow
so
quickly
into
the
building
area,
and
I
would
also
suggest
that
specific
species
are
considered
that
are
slow
growing
and
that
don't
have
an
enormous
canopy
and
that
should
mitigate
the
issue.
I
I
Thank
you.
So,
given
the
applicant's
arguments
about
Gates
does
staff
have
any
real
response
to
that?
Is
there
a
reason
to
give
this
particular
project
Gates
versus
other
projects,
where
our
general
plan
states
that
we
shouldn't
be
making
these
communities
gated
communities?
That's
my
first
question.
My
second
question
is
also
given
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors.
I
Do
staff
see
any
real
concern
with
this
driveway
access?
I
know.
I
know
staff
recommends
moving
forward,
as
is
but
I
wondered
if
the
arguments
from
the
neighbors
swayed
staff
in
any
way.
From
my
own
perspective,
it
doesn't
look
like
a
safety
hazard.
It's
not
that
deeply
into
a
curve
and
it's
going
to
be
very
very
little
traffic
and
it's
not
a
heavily
trafficked
Street
to
begin
with,
but
I'd
like
staff's.
Take.
If
you
have
one
on
this.
P
It's
in
section
93.05
of
our
zoning
Code
paragraph
2A,
says
that
Gates
can
be
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission,
where
the
applicant
shows
that
significant
impact
by
unauthorized
parking
from
adjacent
uses
or
sniff
can
impact
from
traffic
from
adjacent,
usually
beyond
the
design
capacity
of
the
internal
streets.
So
when
we
looked
at
those
criteria,
we
didn't
see
at
least
initially
that
the
argument
the
that
adjacent
uses
would
be
impacting
the
parking
situation
for
this
project.
I
P
I
Those
are
those
guest
spots,
yes,
okay,
so
it
provides
the
two
required
guest
spots.
Okay,
so
you
know,
obviously,
every
developer
that
comes
before
us
with
the
development
wants
gauge,
because
Gates
potentially
have
can
add
value,
because
there
is
a
perceived
sense
of
security
that
comes
with
Gates
but
other
than
that
staff
isn't
recommending
gates.
For
any
reason
here,
based
on
your
recommendation,
okay,
and
with
respect
to
exiting
anything
to
add
on
that,
given
the
arguments
of
the
neighborhood.
P
I
B
Thank
you
so
much,
commissioner
Robert
that
there
was
discussion
about,
or
certainly
the
community
has
alluded
to,
providing
access
off
of
Palm
Canyon
as
an
alternative
and
I
would
just
say
that,
from
the
city's
perspective
that
would
create
a
different
and
and
our
opinion,
worse,
traffic
condition,
because
we
certainly
are
not
encouraging
traffic
entering
and
exiting
off
of
Palm
Canyon.
So
our
evaluation
is
there's
no
issue
with
this
location.
It
is
our
preferable
location
and
it's
not
creating
any
issues.
I
P
B
Thank
you
and
commissioner
Irvin
I
might
add
that
you
know
there
are
other
methods
available
through
the
city
to
evaluate
if
other
traffic
calming
measures
are
needed.
So
you
know
if
if
there
is
a
concern
about
traffic
calming
here
or
if
we
find
out
that
we
need
to
look
at
ways
to
mitigate
speed
or
or
manage
that
there
are
processes
available
through
the
city
and
through
the
city
engineer
that
we
can
evaluate
that,
and
you
know
determine
if
any
mitigation
measures
or
traffic
complimentials
are
needed.
H
A
P
P
Currently,
the
pavement
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
wide
the
existing
pavement
is
along
Camino
Norte,
but
basically
they
would
have
to
widen
the
street
to
meet
the
current
standard
for
the
street
to
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
So
they
would
widen
it.
Install
the
curb
and
gutter
as
well
as
add
the
sidewalk
along
the
front
edge.
P
A
P
A
P
A
A
And
then
I
have
a
couple
questions
on
the
landscape
plan.
Maybe
comments
the
African
Sumac,
that's
on
the
interior
of
the
project.
I
know
at
acino,
we've
lost
all
of
ours
over
the
years.
They're
and
they're,
apparently
they're
dying
across
the
valley.
The
the
Palo
Verdi
that
they
put
in
is
blue
and
that's
a
much
smaller
and
much
more
contained.
Palo
Verdi
I
think
that
would
actually
work
in
the
front.
A
Those
obviously
work
if
they're
a
large
enough
box
when
they
go
in
initially.
The
worry
for
commissioner
hirschbein
is
that
some
portion
of
the
plantar
gut
is
taken
up
by
the
footing
of
of
the
the
unit
or
the
wall.
That's
there.
So
it's
really
a
question
of
how
much
space
is
left
next
to
the
footing,
so
I
think
there's
probably
enough
room
for
a
small
tree.
It
just
needs
to
be
more
toward
the
center
or
the
front
I'm.
So
I
would
eventually,
when
we
get
to
it.
A
A
Right,
I
would
expect
that
that
would
have
come
to
us
with
details
when
this
did
come
in
it's
an
incomplete
in
that
fashion.
Just
to
express
my
concern
about
not
getting
getting
that
kind
of
detail
when
it
is
the
frontage
of
the
building
I
think
that
take
one
more
question
on
the
the
traffic
calming
if
traffic
calming
is
necessary,
that's
something
that
the
applicant
could
volunteer
to
do,
but
we
can't
it's
not
within
our
appropriate
to
require
it.
Is
that
correct.
P
Not
under
our
Sequoia
determination
no,
but
we
could
ask
the
applicant
if
they'd
be
willing
to
do
that.
It's
not
uncommon
for
neighborhoods
or
developments
adjacent
to
a
street
that
maybe
a
busy
street
or
just
may
have
traffic
that
goes
at
higher
speeds
than
normal
to
go
through
a
city
process
separately
from
a
project
to
get
speed
bumps
put
in
or
signage
to
to
create
some
traffic
calming
on
a
specific
Street
or
area.
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
Yes,
the
letter
essentially
says
that
they
have
substantial
evidence
that
there
would
be
additional
impacts
to
traffic
based
upon
personal
observations
of
the
neighbors,
and
that
certainly
is
information.
The
commission
can
consider,
however,
there's
also
countervailing
substantial
evidence.
F
That's
been
provided
by
staff
through
the
city's
engineering
department
that
this
curve
that
this
area
does
not
pose
any
special
or
unusual
traffic
circumstances
that
there
are
no
traffic
safety
issues
that
need
to
be
mitigated
here
for
this
project
and
therefore
the
Class
32
exemption
is
a
good
one,
and
that
provides
substantial
evidence
to
justify
the
exemption
here.
Notwithstanding
that
the
neighbors
May
disagree
in
the
city's
judgment
on
that.
A
R
S
Me,
let
me
let
me
grab,
grab
the
mic
for
a
second
okay,
Commission,
okay,
we've
been
working,
I've
been
working
with
the
commission
for
about
25
28
years,
which
doesn't
mean
anything
more
than
just
a
historical
reference
to
being
you
know
in
the
city.
So
what
came
up
tonight
initially
was:
oh,
am
I
honors,
hello,.
S
Yeah
I,
look
at
the
the
first
things
that
came
on
were
they've
got
the
trees,
the
thing
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
and
and-
and
you
know
again-
I've
been
around
the
community
for
a
long
long
time.
We
have
less
than
200
feet
of
Frontage
on
Palm
Canyon.
Not
that
I
would
disrespect
Palm
Canyon
in
any
way.
Remember
a
a
city.
Lot
is
100
feet
wide,
and
so
we
have
less
than
that.
S
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
accommodate
a
visual
as
you
come
down,
Palm
Canyon,
not
steal
the
the
the
visual
say.
Okay,
look
at
me
versus
look
at
them
or
look
at
arrive,
which
is
an
absolute
gorgeous
project,
just
kind
of
roll
and
blend
and
work,
and
so
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
on
it
and
with
so
I
think
the
the
discussion
tonight
has
been
primarily
about
the
trees,
okay,
so
the
trees.
When
we
talk
about
Palo,
Verdes
I,
look
back
on.
S
You
know,
I
said:
let's
change
it.
Let's
change
that
front.
They're,
not
planter
boxes
so
much,
but
they're
a
planter
area
between
the
the
the
the
retaining
wall,
that's
part
of
the
city
and
then
up
to
the
front
of
the
building.
Let's
change
that
to
a
36
inch
box,
olives,
so
we're
not
talking
about
putting
a
sprig
of
Olive
in,
but
we're
also
not
talking
about
putting
you
know
some
giant
tree
in
because
remember
we
have
200
less
than
200
foot
of
fresh.
S
When
you
go
beyond
our
Frontage
into
the
other
buildings
and
stuff,
their
Landscaping
is
becoming
a
bit.
You
know
overgrown,
like
our
projects
having
a
past
past
and
what
happens
is
we
become
I,
don't
know
just
zealous
when
we
get
into
being?
No,
we
don't
want
little
sprig
trees.
We
want
the
real
deal,
but
then
I
don't
know
I've
been
there
been
in
town,
30
plus
years
and
and
have
been
able
to
reflect
and
and
look
at
it.
S
So
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
tell
the
commission
tonight
to
let's,
let's
go
to
36
inch,
olives
and
Center
them
in
the
in
that
planter
area
in
front
of
the
guest
houses
and
I.
Think
another
area
that
you
all
brought
up
was
it
was
at
the
gates
and
you
have
the
the
discussions
and
the
call-ins
and
the
and
and
and
you
know,
and
the
reports
and
so
on
about
the
case.
S
The
one
thing
about
the
gates
is
that
and
I
I
can't
remember
who
brought
it
up,
but
they
are
a
bit
in
a
sense
traffic
calming
because
you
do
have
to
stop
at
the
gate.
You
can't
just
bomb
out
if
you're
on
your,
you
know
your
your
phone,
whatever
you're
doing,
you
have
to
stop
and
decompress
and
move
out
which
is
similar
to
to
let's
say
a
pulling
onto
the
freeway
at
rush
hour
and
there's
the
Green
Lane.
S
They
you
know
move
you
out
in
that
way,
and
so
I
I,
really
I
think
in
in
a
reach
out
to
the
neighborhood
as
well
as
our
security
and
so
on
about
it
is
Gates.
I
think
are,
are
a
good
idea
for
this
project.
I
probably
was
done
on
a
path
to
somewhere
or
somewhere
and
there's
been
years
when
the
playing
a
commission
has
come
up
and
said:
okay.
S
Well,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
gate
off
a
community,
because
you
know
we
have
a
flow
through,
but
this
one
he
you
know
actually
I,
think
what
happened
in
the
beginning
of
the
discussion.
I
was
it's
about
a
hundred
twenty
feet
to
go
into
the
project.
So
let's
just
live
it.
So
what
does
happen?
You
go
around?
The
neighborhood
I
mean
come
on,
there's
no
place
to
go,
there's
no
connection
here
and
there's
no
flow
through,
and
so
that's
just
what
I
want
to
say
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I.
K
S
S
R
Two
minutes
or
any
Hustle
yes
well
I
just
wanted
to
address
a
little
bit
further.
The
gates,
and
commissioner
Roberts
is
absolutely
right
as
a
developer.
You
know
that's
something
that
that
we
want.
It
does
help
us.
We
understand
that
this
city
has
the
ordinance
because
they're
concerned
about
it
kind
of
you
know
Walling
off
of
the
community
and
so
forth,
but
our
development
does
have
three
units
entirely
inside.
R
T
A
A
T
Anyway,
there's
18
neighbors
signed
that
there
are
12
but
houses
within
the
500
mile
radius,
their
500
foot
radius
of
those
people,
those
18
people,
all
those
18
people
want
is
a
traffic
study.
That's
all
we
want.
We
want
the
project.
We
just
want
a
traffic
study
so
anyway,
the
circle
I
send
in
a
letter
giving
the
18
names
and
the
the
drawing
of
the
500
foot
circle
where
the
houses
existed.
Also
in
Mr
Newell
talked
about
the
letter
from
the
attorney
he
said
there
were
several
neighbors.
T
There
were
18
neighbors
who
signed
that
letter,
along
with
the
attorney
so
I,
just
I
just
want
the
council
to
know
that
there's
there's
more
than
several
people
concerned.
The
trash
thing
from
the
eight
sites
is
still
not
acceptable.
Absent
owners
aren't
going
to
allow
people
to
enter
their
garages
for
trash,
and
then
these
people
that
on
trash
day,
they're
not
going
to
come
around
and
open
the
garages
and
take
the
trash
cans
out.
So
you
got
to
have
the
the
Str
units
have
to
have
trash
individual
responsibility
for
their
trash.
T
If
you
have
a
woman
with
a
baby
in
there,
someone
cooking,
constantly
you're
gonna
have
trash
and
they
have
no
place
to
put
it.
On
page
27
of
your
comprehensive
Feast
study,
I
I
talked
to
Mr
Newell
on
12-6,
and
it's
a
traffic
survey
fee,
571.82
cents
and
I
said
Mr
Google.
What?
What
is
that
for?
He
says
he
didn't
know,
so
you
guys
got
to
get
your
act
together.
I'm,
sorry,
but
anyway,
the
neighborhood
would
like
a
traffic
traffic
study
period.
Thank
you,
foreign.
B
S
I,
don't
have
any
rebuttal
actually.
What
I
want
to
say
is
that
I,
like
I,
said
I've
spent
30
years
in
our
community
and
built
a
lot
of
projects,
and
this
is
one
of
the
projects
that
we're
building
and,
and
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
thought
and
working
with
the
71
units
next
door
and
and
with
what's
happening
out
on
Palm
Canyon
and
making
it
a
a
you
know
something
that'll
work
for
everybody
again,
it's
only.
S
We
have
less
than
200
feet,
which
is
a
little
less,
which
is
like
two
single
family
laws.
It's
not
like
you're
gonna
go
by
there
and
and
just
oh,
my
God.
It
just
is
a
best
thing.
I've
ever
seen,
you
know
let
the
arrive
hotel
or
something
this
is
kind
of
a
quiet
as
you
you,
roll
through
kind
of
thing,
but
I
do
have
the
the
the
the
feeling
toward
the
toward
the
folks
where
the
you
know
and
we
use
War.
We
use
words
like
additional
80
Adu.
S
Well,
these
are
adus
but
they're,
not
Adu.
They
can
be
they're,
not
happy.
If
you
want
to
run
on
our
Adu
nobody's
got
the
restriction
on
what
you
do
and
what
you
don't
do,
the
state
has
it
I
mean
it,
isn't
that
it's
just
blending
with
the
community
and
as
far
as
the
trash
was
concerned,
hey
think
about
it
for
a
second.
S
If
you've
got
a
relative
living
in
in
your
guest
house
in
front
of
a
friend
or
guest
or
or
maybe
you're
renting
it
or
use
it
for
an
office
or
a
pool,
Cabana
I
mean
come
on.
There's
so
many
uses
there,
and
then
you
work
it
out
with
the
people
who
live.
You
know
who
have
you
deal
with
your
Transporters?
You
did
ask
us
to
am
I
still
there.
Yes,
you
are
okay
good.
So
what
happened?
Was
you
asked
us
well
I
said:
well,
what
are
we
going
to
do?
S
It's
we
put
in
a
big
whiskeys
and
the
big
calibers
and
we're
beating
them
back.
That's
why
we
moved
to
the
olive
trees
in
the
front,
and
then
we
are
really
tying
into
the
to
the
the
project
down
to
Barry
Burch.
Did
it
down
there
Imperial
Parks
I
think
that's
a
good
little
blend,
moving
moving
it
through
and
and
I'm
going
to
close
it
by
saying
I'm,
not
disrespecting
our
neighbors
at
all.
I
want
are
those
Gates
I
think
are
important
for
all
the
reasons
you
saw
come.
A
S
You
referencing
the
guest
house
veneer.
Yes,
okay,
well,
that
that,
if
you,
you
know
hey,
you
know
here.
I
wanted
to
say
that
song
here
is
that
when
we're
in
the
past
always
been
in
in
in
the
gallery
where
we
could
walk
up
and
point
and
work
it
out,
we
don't
have
that
right
now,
we'll
have
it
in
January
but
I
from
what
I
understand.
But
but
what
happens
is
we
have
to
pinpoint
out
what
and
who
and
what
and
what's
going
on?
Okay?
So
what
that
veneer
is.
S
We
are
basically
well
specifically
pulling
off
of
the
design
from
Imperial
Park
South,
so
that
veneer
is
inch
and
a
half
veneer
block
is
it's.
You
know
the
concrete
block
with
the
with
I
have
the
turnouts
every
18
inches
for
the
like,
like
you
see,
if
you're
related
to
or
can
relate
to
or
specifically
make
us
related
to
the
the
linear
Frontage
of
of
inferior
Park
South,
and
that
will
be
the
concrete
block
veneer,
which
is
an
inch
and
a
half
thick
and
it's
a
Concrete
block.
S
A
S
A
A
E
Regarding
the
veneer
on
on
those
units
facing
Palm,
Canyon
yeah,
we
didn't
get
the
information.
There's
a
rendering,
and
a
verbal
I
would
like
to
refer
that
in
the
spirit
of
how
we've
restructured
the
review
process,
I'd
like
to
refer
that
specifically
to
the
arc,
with
the
note
that
we
expect
the
detail
to
comply
with
that
Park
Imperial
South,
look
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
get
involved
with
it
much
more
than
that.
E
I
Thank
you,
I,
concur
with
much
of
what
commissioner
hirschbein
said,
I
think
literally
and
figuratively
we're
getting
into
the
weeds
here.
Let's
leave
those
details
to
Arc
and
let
them
let
them
work
with
the
applicant
and
our
staff
on
Trees
and
Landscaping
I
think
it
is
very
important
because
this
does
face
Palm
Canyon,
with
respect
to
the
block
on
the
face
of
the
guest
houses
or
whatever
we
want
to
call
them
that
face
Palm
Canyon
it
the
block
they're,
showing
as
an
example
of
the
Block
versus
the
rendering
it's
the
same
block.
I
The
pattern
that
they're
showing
is
simply
cutting
the
Block
in
half
and
turning
the
face
out
so
technically
they're
showing
the
correct
material.
What
we're
looking
for
is
a
detail
of
how
they
plan
to
use
it,
and
that
would
be
helpful
because
the
difference
between
how
that
block
is
cut
and
turned
is
huge.
I
In
the
small
image,
or
example
of
the
block,
it
looks
like
the
side
of
a
prison
in
their
renderings.
It
looks
very
pleasant
and
interesting
and
certainly
a
nod
to
mid-century
Style
with
respect
to
the
gates.
You
know
I
I,
haven't
heard
a
good
argument
yet
for
the
gates
that
I,
don't
think
they're
really
going
to
have
a
problem
with
people
coming
in
and
parking
in
their
guest
spots.
I
It's
just
not
an
area
where
there
is
a
big
problem
with
parking
and
tons
of
traffic.
They
want
the
gates
again
because
they
can
add
value.
But
if
we're
going
to
trust
our
general
plan
and
our
zoning,
which
discourages
Gates
I,
think
staff's
call
is
the
best
on
that.
I
can't
really
speak
to
the
trash.
Can
issue.
I
do
but
I
do
believe
staff
got
it
right
with
respect
to
not
adding
any
any
changing
anything
with
respect
to
Tech
traffic
danger
or
people.
I
You
know
accidents
happening
from
people
pulling
in
and
out
of
the
driveway.
If
we
really
believe
we
need
to
do
traffic
calming
for
12
units,
maybe
just
a
stop
sign
facing
the
inside
of
the
property
so
that
as
people
come
to
the
street,
they
won't
come
flying
out
into
the
you
know
say:
is
they're
leaving
that
Development
coming
to
the
street,
they
won't
fly
out.
Generally,
people
don't
drive
that
way
anyway.
I
A
A
A
I
have
then
I
have
them
I
think
we
need
to
incorporate
the
ccnr
condition
that
Mr
Newell
raised,
which,
regarding
the
trash
that
that
it's
an
obligation,
I,
think
that's
really
important
that
we
include
that
I
disagree
with
Mr
hirschbein
a
little
bit
about
the
landscape.
I,
don't
think
we're
in
the
weeds
I
think
we
should
at
least
send
along
to
the
arc
that
the
African
sumacs
don't
do
well.
They
haven't
been
doing
well
for
10
years
in
the
valley,
they've
been
dying
out
and
those
are
the
interior
trees.
A
So
have
them
work
through
a
tree
that
does
work,
I
actually
think
the
tree,
the
36
box,
Frontage
tree,
the
fruitless
Olive
works.
Perfect
will
work
perfectly
well
and
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
trees.
Having
worked
on
planning
about
250
of
them
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
I
think
we
can
send
those
comments
along
I.
Think
the
I
think
having
the
arc
work
out.
The
issues
and
I
agree
with
the
no
on
the
no
on
the
gate
is:
if
are
there
any
more
comments,
commissioner?
Land?
A
D
Just
have
a
couple:
I
I
agree
with
the
the
assessment
that
gated
communities
are
specifically
not
wanted,
especially
in
our
downtown
area
and
is
spelled
on
in
the
general
plan,
and
those
good
really
good
reasons
for
that.
I.
Don't
believe
that
the
applicant
has
raised
consumes
to
be
the
threshold
necessary
to
ignore
that,
in
particular,
a
couple
things
that
they've
cited
that
we
haven't
discussed,
one
is
regarding
transients
in
the
in
the
area
and
the
likelihood
of
increased
transient
problems.
D
I
think
that
the
best
solution
to
moving
the
transients
along
is
to
build
the
project
right
now.
There's
a
vacant
lot,
there's
trees,
people
can
and
do
camp
out
there
I
hear
them
want
to
go
by.
They
do
live
there
and
as
soon
as
this
project
is
built,
they're
not
going
to
have
players
left.
So
I
think
that
is.
This
project
is
going
to
take
care
of
that
itself.
D
I
also
think
that
if
the
applicant
raises
the
issue
that
it'll
be
severe
impact
on
his
guest
parking,
if
people
can
come
in
there
without
dates,
then
it's
incumbent
upon
the
applicant
to
design
a
project
with
more
guest
parking
internal,
reduce
the
size
of
the
units.
Reconfigure
things
work
that
out
because
I
don't
think
at
any
point.
The
applicant
has
been
led
to
believe
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
have
a
dated
Community
here
and
that
so
I
think
that
there
are
ways
to
be
applications.
D
So
the
only
other
thing
that
I
want
to
say
is
to
regarding
the
desire
from
the
residents
to
have
a
traffic
study.
I
hear
you
I
understand
your
concern.
Nonetheless,
I
think
I
give
greater
gravitas
to
the
engineering
staff
and
the
professionals
and
Professionals
in
the
area.
It's
not
there
to
say
that
you
won't
have
a
traffic
study
done
and
that's
it,
because
what
is
what's
that
going
to
do
you're
going
to
I
suspect
them
on
something
as
a
result
of
the
traffic
study,
and
it's
not
fair
to
say
that
it
hasn't
been
studied.
D
It
has
been
studied.
It's
been
studied
by
staff
who
have
professional
credentials
equal
to
that.
That
would
be
those
of
a
consultant
who
would
come
in
and
study
it.
They
gave
even
in
this
meeting
some
of
the
results
of
the
studies
they
looked
at
the
history
of
accidents.
There
were
zero
history
of
accidents.
D
In
the
last
five
years,
they've
looked
at
analogous
streaks
in
the
neighborhoods
to
see
what
problems
may
have
rise
there
and
they
peruse
the
results
which
again,
do
not
indicate
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
level
of
traffic
that
will
meet
the
threshold.
That
would
constitute
the
need
for
a
study
they've
also
taken
a
look
at
the
sight
lines.
Anything
that
a
traffic
study
would
do.
The
staff
who
is
fully
qualified
of
Engineers
at
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
has
already
taken
a
look
at
if
you
want
a
traffic
study.
D
That
is
something
that
you
do
when
you
build
hundreds
of
units
when
you
build
new
streets
that
have
traffic
signals
and
and
interconnect
with
other
signals.
It's
it's,
of
course,
projects
that
have
much
greater
Road
Network
Edition
than
this
does
so
I
I
agree
that
it
I
hear
what
you're
saying
but
I
think
that,
as
lay
people,
even
you
recognize
that
what
you're
putting
forward
is
just
anecdotal
information
out
there
was
a
near
mess
that
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
media,
have
a
traffic
study.
D
A
Would
you
accept
a
friendly
the
condition
staff
suggested
that
the
requirement
to
take
out
the
park
in
the
ccnr's
it's
the
requirement
to
take
out
the
trash,
belongs
to
the
owner
of
the
unit
that
has
the
auxiliary
unit
with
the
language
the
staff
suggested?
Yes,
yes,
okay
is
there?
Is
there
I?
Would
second
that
motion
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
commissioner
hirschbein.
I
I
A
A
I
A
A
I
I
O
E
A
I
A
Good
night,
okay
item
2C
Rios
on
BE
Health
on
behalf
of
old
Los
Palmas
Properties
LLC,
for
the
approval
of
a
change
of
Zone
major
development.
Permit
tentative
track
map
and
variance
applications
for
a
proposed
mixed-use
project,
which
includes
24
residential
condominium
units
and
a
2214
square
foot
commercial
space
at
two
at
2.2.4,
acre
undeveloped,
parcel
located
at
575,
North,
Palm,
Canyon,
Drive,
I.
Think
in
this
instance,
we
are
not
going
to
go
into
the
staff
report.
A
A
G
Yeah,
just
briefly
I
know
we're
not
doing
the
public
hearing
essentially
and
we'll
be
back
to
this.
My
main
concerns
are
this:
this
project
is
asking
for
a
rezoning
which
could
make
sense
if
it
was
appropriately
designed
and
it's
asking
for
a
rezoning
out
of
the
central
business
district
zoning
to
a
certain
extent,
but
yet
it's
providing
a
project
that
doesn't
really
respect
its
location
along
Palm,
Canyon,
just
north
of
Vallejo.
E
E
You
yeah
I
I,
think
Mr
Miller
spoke
for
me
as
well,
we're
talking
about
a
viable
commercial
use
there
and
and
something
that
contributes
to
the
overall
Street
activity.
It's
a
very
important
site.
It's
a
knuckle
between
the
downtown
and
the
Uptown
Design
District.
It's
got
continuous
usage
on
either
side
of
it
and
and
across
the
street,
from
it,
and
and
it
needs
to
respect
that.
E
I
know
that
the
architect
has
had
a
lot
of
experience
and
I
respect
the
experience
in
designing
spaces
that
contribute
to
the
public,
interaction
and
and
I
I
think
my
opinion
is:
it's
fallen
short
on
this
one
and
you
need
to
have
another
look
at
it.
I
agree
that
the
driveway
going
out
into
Palm
Canyon
is
is
very
problematic
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
applicant
to
cure
some
of
these
problems.
A
And
my
concerns
are
similar.
We
just
sent
to
city
council
and
city
council
just
passed
a
zoning
change
which
allowed
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
housing
units
required.
If
there
was
75
percent
of
the
frontage
was
viable
commercial
space.
I,
don't
believe
this
project
meets
those
as
currently
designed
meets
that
requirement
and
I
think
it
either
needs
to
meet
that
requirement,
or
it
needs
to
give
us
the
full
range
of
of
housing
that
would
would
have
been
required
if
it
weren't
asking
for
this
change.
A
I
agree
regarding
the
driveway
into
the
site
and
the
site
is
currently
designed.
What
we
got
was
a
little
bit
of
back
of
house
on
Palm
Canyon
in
a
space
that
wasn't
designed
such
that
it
could
be
released
if
to
a
to
a
retail
use,
if
the
use
that
they
were
proposing
didn't
work,
so
I
think
we
need
viable
reach.
C
D
Nonetheless,
I
am
not
convinced
that
that
is
completely
necessary
at
this
site
in
part,
because
no
successful,
long-term
or
long-term
successful
commercial
retail
shopping
district
is
two
miles
long
and
if
we
think
it's
going
to
go
from
Ramon
to
vistachino,
which
is
two
miles,
we
are
deluding
ourselves
even
Chicago's.
Magnificent
Mile
is
three
quarters
of
a
mile
long.
They
just
are
not
that
long,
Rodeo
Drive
Third,
Street
Promenade.
Those
are
three
and
four
blocks
long.
D
K
D
Don't
want
us
to
set
ourselves
up
with
unrealistic
expectations
that
we're
going
to
develop
this
to
be
commercial.
The
whole
way
I
happen
to
think
that,
and
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
this
week,
going
back
and
forth
up
and
down
the
street
and
looking
at
it
and
running
my
bike
past,
it
I'm
shortly
going
to
be
reported
to
the
police
I
think.
But
this
is
an
is
a
good
transition
between
downtown
and
Uptown.
You
get
through
their
account.
D
D
Would
I
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
retail
or
am
I
concerned
about
this
particular
choice
of
retail,
yes,
and
yes,
nonetheless,
I
think
there
is
room
for
a
well-designed
building
at
this
location.
That
is
not
a
continuation,
does
not
try
to
force
a
continuation
of
the
retail
that
we
see
further
south,
because
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
ever
be
able
to
expect
that
to
be
built
out
with
successful
for
a
city
or
size.
D
D
That's
my
two
cents
work
I,
don't
know
that
that's
kind
of
different
from
what
other
Commissioners
have
indicated.
They
would
like
to
see
and
that's
a
very
difficult
thing
for
an
applicant
to
deal
with
because
we're
a
developer,
because
if
they
know
they
have
different
opinions,
but
probably
they
can
count
noses
and
and
see
that
at
this
point
it
doesn't
look
as
alignment
of
maturity.
E
E
This
is
a
very
important
site
and
it's
a
link
between
two
vibrant
commercial
districts
and
if
you
put
a
gap
in
this
particular
site,
I
think
you're
doing
the
city
and
the
surrounding
Merchants
a
disservice
and
and
that
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
that
specific
site.
I,
don't
see
and
I'm
not
saying
it
has
to
be
wall-to-wall
storefronts.
There
might
be
some
break
with
a
little
open
space
or
something
along
those
lines.
But
this
site's
unique,
it's
not
down
towards
Vista
Chino
and
it's
not
up
towards
Ramon.
A
You
then
do
is
either
require
that
they
do
the
full
amount
of
residential
that
they
should
do
on
this
site,
which
is
a
higher
density,
or
they
should
have
50
75
percent
of
the
retail,
be
viable
retail
and
then
be
able
to
do
a
lower
density
of
residential
and
I.
Think
for
me,
it's
meeting
it's
also
meeting
the
ordinance
or
this.
The
zoning
change
that
we
just
approved
and
I
do
think
that
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
meet
that
one
way
or
the
other.
A
H
A
The
next
thing
I
was
going
to
do
is
assign
before
we
continue
it
assign
a
subcommittee
to
work
on
it.
To
date,
commissioner
hirschbein
and
commissioner
Miller
have
agreed
to
be
on
a
subcommittee.
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
else
I
will
volunteer
unless
one
of
commissioner
or
land
or
commissioner
Irvin
wants
to
volunteer.
H
A
A
Q
A
B
January
25th
was
on
the
table,
but
actually
Brian.
If
you
are
still
here,
does
that
work
for
your
team?
It
may
be
a
little
tight.
My
concern
is
with
all
of
with
with
adding
the
subcommittee
to
the
process.
We
also
have
the
option
of
continuing
it
to
a
date
uncertain,
but
I
asked
the
applicant
team
if
they
think
that
January
25th
is
is
manageable,
with
the
subcommittee
meeting,
probably
towards
early
January.
Q
We
do
feel
that
we
can
hit
that
January
25th
meeting
I
would
ask
that
the
commission
maybe
do
it
to
a
date
uncertain
just
to
cover
our
bases,
but
Our
intention
certainly
would
be
to
do
an
early
meeting
with
the
subcommittee
and
have
time
to
make
our
revisions
and
get
back
on
that
January
25th
meeting.
That
would
be
our
design.
B
I
I
would
I
mean
it
creates
more
work
for
us
to
re-notice,
but
but
if
I
I
think
my
recommendation
is
that
we
do
date
uncertain
just
too
so
that
we're
not
rushing
the
subcommittee
process
and
and
sort
of
holding
this
applicant
to
a
timeline
that,
while
we
may
all
share
the
same
objective,
may
become
unrealistic
with
the
holidays
and
other
things.
So
perhaps
we
aim
for
that
date,
but
but
keep
our
options
open.
C
H
A
A
Like
to
open
and
reopen
the
meeting,
if
you
can
do
that
recording
in
progress,
welcome
back,
we
are
an
item
2D,
which
is
Anthony
hasell
of
mini
Dex
LLC
for
conditional
use,
permit
application
to
operate
a
2891
square
foot
cocktail
lounge
with
an
accessory
micro
micro
Distillery
at
700
million
Drive
Zone
C1,
section
10
staff
report.
Please.
U
Thank
you,
as
you
may
recall,
the
Planning
Commission
review
this
project
last
month
on
November
9th
and
at
that
time
the
applicant
requested.
A
continuation
of
the
project.
Excuse
me
project
review
to
reflect
the
most
recent
changes
to
the
business
proposal
and
subsequently
the
funding
commission
voted
to
continue
that
review
to
the
date
certain
of
December
14th.
U
These
changes
will
not
have
any
impact
in
terms
of
street
parking
requirements
because
of
the
class
one
historic
designation
status.
However,
this
special
event
you
get
it.
The
parking
rate
is
a
concern
for
potential
negative
impact
on
the
traffic
circulation
in
the
neighborhood,
and
the
implementation
of
a
parking
management
fund
would
be
appropriate
for
the
occasional
special
events
in
the
outdoor
area
and
with
regards
to
outdoor
Amplified
music.
U
U
In
the
C1
Zone
special
events,
the
outdoor
special
events
are
permitted
subject
to
a
land
use.
Permit
and
applicants
proposes
the
conduct
no
more
than
two
special
events
each
month,
which
involves
attendees
up
to
60
people.
According
to
the
fire
department,
though,
the
permitted
maximum
occupant
Lord
for
the
outdoor
area
is
49.
U
For
these
reasons,
this
stuff
is
recommended.
Upon
A
commission
to
approve
the
purpose
project
subject
to
conditions
about
approval
which
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
the
following.
The
requirement
of
a
parking
management
plan
for
the
proposed
outdoor
special
events
as
a
part
of
the
land
use
permit
and
conformance
about
the
amplification.
U
A
U
The
parking
management
plan
the
OPI
can
can
come
up
with
a
creative
way
to
address
that,
such
as
ballet
parking
or
the
business
May
establish
a
parking
agreement
with
a
different
property
owner,
and
it's
it's
really
difficult
for
staff
to
determine
whether
it's
feasible
or
not.
At
this
point,
without
exploring
the
option
but
but.
B
I
would
add
it
it's
not
out
of
the
context
of
what
we've
seen
in
other
businesses
in
this
area
and
I
think
to
norico's
point.
They
they
can
get
creative.
They
can
provide
shuttles,
they
can
do
the
valet,
given
that
most
of
these
events
May
occur
in
the
evening.
Hours
like
Noriko
is
alluding
to.
They
can
come
up
with
an
agreement
with
their
neighboring
businesses
that
might
only
be
open
during
business
hours.
B
A
V
V
We
don't
even
know.
You
know
whether
that's
there's
going
to
be
a
demand
for
that
and
we,
but
we
certainly
don't
want
to
be
limited
if
there
is
such
a
demand,
the
the
the
space
itself,
it's
is
very
well
suited
to
noise
restriction
because
there's
a
30-foot
wall
on
one
side
and
a
25
foot
wall,
the
other
side,
there's
there's
no
Neighbors
at
the
back.
V
It's
an
open
lot,
all
the
way
to
Indian,
and
obviously
we
want
to
comply
with
old
city
noise
ordinance
as
as
we
as
we
also
want
our
neighbors
to
we.
We
frequent
those
businesses
ourselves,
my
wife
and
I,
and
we
know,
know
the
owners
and
we
want
there
to
be
cooperation,
Mutual
cooperation
and
don't
plan
on
having
any
you
know,
live
bands
or
any
loud
music.
That
way,
it's
not
not.
V
What
we're
looking
for,
what
what
we
have
focused
on
is
the
the
use
for
tourists
locals
alike,
to
be
able
to
sit
in
such
a
beautiful
setting
to
view
forward
from
that
lot.
It's
undeveloped
is
attractive,
and
we
just
we
feel
that
there
could
be
a
a
cozy
area
for
people
to
sit
and
enjoy
a
cocktail
and
and
and
our
Spirits,
that's
the
focal
point.
So
that's
that's
our
main
main
push
on
this.
The
trash
enclosure
issue.
V
We
had
smaller
trash
cans
to
get
removed
quickly,
because
we
don't
want
that
smell
potential
smell,
especially
from
seafood
and
so
on,
spoiling
the
the
whole
look
and
feel
back
there.
We
feel
that
a
traditional
large
enclosure
trash
area
is
is
would
be
unsightly
in
that
in
that
relatively
small
space
and
that
we
could
make
something
attractive.
That
was
that
was
again
maintained
regularly,
so
that
that
there
was
no
no
issue
with
the
trash.
V
B
A
G
V
So
our
neighbor
to
the
direct
North
that
we
share
that
that
space,
no,
we
we
have.
No,
we
have
no
cooperation,
we
hadn't
discussed
anybody,
I
I
know
the
owner
and
again
we
want
you
know
there
is
there
is
it's
a
close
quarters
there
so
music
that
they
have
I'd
like
to
get
together
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
with
music
for
one
and
luckily
yeah
that
that
music
choice
is
quite
Pleasant,
so
I
think
that
should
be
should
be
compatible.
So.
A
A
V
Nicely
we
understand
that
and
and
accept
that
it's
it's
for
everybody's
benefit.
It's
it's
not
we're
not
looking
to
create
a
a
carnival,
a
party
atmosphere
back
there,
but
but
our
business
plan.
It
would
be
great
not
to
be
restricted
to
be
able
to
develop
things
that
that
fit
in
and
work
with.
You
know,
like
mixes
neighborhood
mixes.
You
know
all
kinds
of
things
that
that
that
lend
itself
well
to
the
spirits
business
and
to
the
cocktail
culture
that
we
have
here
in
Palm,
Springs.
A
V
The
first
suggestion
was
back
onto
the
back
wall,
but
the
the
pad
would
not
be
able
to
exist
there
because
of
this
utility
right
of
way
for
one
of
a
better
word.
So
our
proposal
then
was
to
first
to
put
a
wall
to
to
wall
that
off,
so
it
was
circular.
Then
someone
in
plan
Department
suggested
that
that
could
be
achieved
with
Landscaping,
which
we
were
totally.
V
So
as
as
you
come
into
the
space
on
the
right
hand,
side
with
where
the
air
conditioning
unit
currently
is
we
would
we
would
make
something
that
was
good,
looking
and
would
blend
in
to
the
to
the
outside
door.
Space
and
we'd
use
rollout
bins
because
there's
no
access
for
the
trucks
to
come
in
anyway,
which
is
the
difficulty
of
the
of
the
spot
for
any
business.
It
would
it's
just
not
it's
not
allowable,
they
would
never
fit
in
so
having
these
wheel.
V
A
B
U
So
the
zoning
code
doesn't
require
and
or
provides
a
minimum
size,
particularly
for
recycling
materials,
so
it
could
require
that
the
size
needs
to
be
at
least
three
cubic
yards.
So,
according
to
the
Palm
Springs
disposal,
the
dimensions
of
this
minimum
three
cubic
yard
will
require
at
least
six
feet
and
10
inches
in
width.
That's
just
for
recyclable
materials.
Only
but.
V
If
need
be,
and-
and
we
can
we-
we
really
don't-
don't
see
that
we're
going
to
have
that
much
and
and
and
we
we
won't,
let
it
accumulate
there
it'll
be
unsightly
and
it's
the
same,
the
same
with
the
smell
of
the
seafood.
These
are
the
things
that
are
beneficial
to
us
as
a
business
to
to
take
care
of
and
take
care
of
in
a
sensible
way,
and
we
we're
committed
to
that.
V
A
B
Chair,
if
I
might
perhaps
condition
of
approval
planning
nine
trash
enclosure,
perhaps
we
can
ask
add
a
sentence
to
the
end
of
that
of
the
commission
wanted
to
that
directs
staff
and
the
applicant
to
work
on
an
alternative
trash
plan
that
may
be
acceptable
to
the
city
and
PSD
ads.
You
know
I
think
our
concern
is
the
zoning
code
establishes
certain
standards,
but
I
hear
you
and
I
think
with
that
language.
It
may
enable
us
to
find
a
creative
solution
here.
A
G
Just
a
comment
regarding
the
trash
and
the
odor
potential
way
back
in
my
career,
I
worked
in
South
Florida,
which
was
very
humid
and
hot,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
seafood.
Restaurants
and
one
thing
they
did
was
actually
refrigerate
their
trash
areas
to
reduce
the
smell
and
to
prolong
the
the
stops
that
needed
to
be
made
to
to
pick
up
that
trash.
A
D
G
G
E
V
A
A
They
basically
were
working
with
a
problem
that
I
think
probably
was
an
old
problem,
but
they
what
they
did
was
they
limited
the
number
of
times
that
we
can
re.
We
and
Architectural
Review
Committee
can
review
a
project,
and
that
would
be
they
would
limit
us
to
three
meetings
and
two
study
sessions.
A
B
B
B
B
The
the
the
city
council
decision
does
also
allow
with
the
allows
me
to
describe
well,
it's
all
right.
I
should
I
should
clarify
the
city
manager,
the
description,
discretion
to
add
an
additional
meeting
or
their
designee
I.
Don't
have
clarification
yet,
if
that
is
me,
but
I
imagine
it
may
be,
or
with
mutual
agreement
with
the
applicant.
So
I
think
on
the
example.
For
tonight
we
have
a
willing
applicant
who
is
who
wants
to
work
through
the
subcommittee
process.
B
F
Madam
chair
I
would
additionally
note
that
under
state
law
with
certain
housing
projects,
the
city
as
a
whole
is
already
limited
to
a
finite
number
of
meetings
that
can
hold
with
regard
to
approval
of
housing
projects.
So
you
know
this
broadens
it
to
all
potential
meeting
items,
but
is
substantially
more
liberal
in
the
amount
of
meetings
and
committee
meetings
that
are
allowed
than
even
state
law
does
for
housing
projects.
So
there
are
some
other
constraints
out
there
provided
by
state
law
as
well.
A
Anyway,
I
did
want
to
alert
people
to
that.
That
is
a
change,
and
the
solution
is
if
we
can't
get
to
resolution
on
something
that
we
have
to
take
action,
which
is,
if
we
haven't
resolved
it,
to
turn
the
project
down
or
to
approve
it
when
we're
not
resolved
to
approve
it.
So
there
is,
there
is
a
limitation
in
this
project
in
particular,
we've
had.
We
now
count
as
having
had
two
meetings.
B
You
stole
my
thunder
on
one
item,
but
thank
you.
I
was
going
to
talk
about
that
as
well,
but
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
resumption
of
in-person
meetings,
so
we
had
sort
of
touched
on
this
at
a
prior
meeting
and
I
had
committed
to
coming
back
with
some
additional
information,
so
certainly
I
believe
our
first
meeting
is:
let
me
pull
up
a
calendar,
January
11th,
and
then
we
have
a
meeting
January
25th
and
the
city
council
has
sort
of
Left
for
this.
B
B
If
the
commission
is
interested
in
doing
so
and
we're
just
working
through
some
technical
aspects
of
making
that
work,
they
would
be
hybrid
meetings,
so
we
would
still
provide
a
zoom
link
to
the
public
or
applicants
should
they
wish
to
participate
remotely,
since
we
do
want
to
encourage
as
much
participation
as
necessary
as
as
possible,
but
on
the
the
question
of,
if
we
do
it
is
it
all
or
nothing
do.
Does
every
commissioner
need
to
be
present
in
person?
B
It's
a
bit
of
a
cloudy
answer
on
that,
but
here's
what
I
understand
and
attorney
priest
May
jump
in
and
correct
me,
but
I
could
speak
with
others
in
the
city
attorney's
office
about
this
earlier
I
believe
under
the
emergency
order.
That
is
still
in
effect
under
the
brown
act.
The
answer
to
that
is
no.
The
Commissioners
would
still
have
the
option
right
now
of
joining
remotely
if
they
are
unable
to
attend
in
person.
B
What
we
understand
is
happening
is
that
emergency
order
is
likely
to
be
lifted
by
the
governor
at
some
point
this
spring
and
that
there
are
other
changes
being
made
to
the
brown
act.
That
would
likely
require
that
at
some
point
in
the
first
half
of
next
year,
we
will
go
back
to
sort
of
more
regular
rules
where
you
know
Quorum
would
be,
would
need
to
be
met
in
the
advertised
location
of
the
meeting,
but
at
least
for
January.
B
B
Okay,
so
we
there
will
be
changes
as
we
get
more
into
2023
TBD
and
what
exactly
those
look
like
but
I
do
understand.
Some
of
the
changes
that
will
take
effect
in
2023
are
such
that
we
would
need
a
quorum
of
the
commission
present
in
per
at
the
advertised
location
in
person.
There
would
be
exceptions
made
for
Commissioners
who
are
ill
or
who
have
some
other
sort
of
emergency
need
to
be
absent
to
allow
them
to
participate
remotely.
B
But
we'll
have
that
conversation
when
we
have
more
information
around
that.
So
that's
the
first
point
to
consider
in
returning
to
in
person,
meetings
and
I
thought.
There
was
a
second
item
that
we
wanted
to
talk
about.
I,
think
it's
more
sort
of
around
the
technology
and
running
a
hybrid
meeting,
but
we
are
working
through
that
with
our
it
Department
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
the
equipment
set
up
for
that.
So
with
that
questions,
and
ideally
some
direction
from
you
all,
oh
I'm,
sorry.
B
B
However,
should
the
council
should
this
commission
make
a
determination
that
they
would
like
to
go
back
to
the
afternoon
meetings?
I
would
ask
that
you
make
that
direction
tonight,
so
that
I
can
take
it
back
through
my
channels
and
and
get
that
before
the
council
for
consideration.
So
those
are
my
two
items
and
with
that
looking
for
feedback
and
direction.
A
E
G
I
as
well,
I'm
I'm
in
different
I
mean
I'm
ready
whenever
the
majority
are
ready
to
go
back
to
in
person.
You
know
we
can
wear
a
mask
if
we
feel
more
comfortable
about
doing
that,
but
it's
I
think
it's
getting
close
to
time.
I'm
going
to
have
to
retire
my
SpongeBob
SquarePants,
flannel
underwear.
You
know
to
go
back
into
live
meetings,
but.
A
D
Personally,
would
love
to
get
away
from
meetings,
but
I
don't
think
it's
right
to
the
public,
because
a
lot
of
people
have
worked
and
kids
and
things
that
most
of
us
probably
are
a
little
bit
senior
and
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
as
much
but
I
think
it's
more
responsive
to
the
public.
If
we
meet
in
the
evening.
A
B
E
B
You
know,
I
think
when
the
council
initially
gave
this
direction
when
we
started
this
conversation,
we
were
at
a
very
different
point
of
the
the
flu
season
and
I
think
we
weren't
seeing
the
sort
of
uptick
that
we've
certainly
seen
in
the
last
few
weeks.
So
I
certainly
hear
you
that
the
conversation
has
changed.
H
H
Considering
that
we've
been
inside,
like
I,
can
say
literally
I,
think
I
maybe
attended
three
or
four
meetings
before
I'm
I'm
on
Zoom,
so
I
haven't
really
even
got
to
meet
anyone
from
the
Planning
Commission
at
all,
because
most
of
the
time
since
of
my
term
has
been
on
Zoom.
So
you
know
I
just
think
that
we
can't
decide
and
say
that
you
know
we're
not
getting
results
with
the
evening.
Just
because
of
what
happened.
There
was
a
lot
of
any
of
our
control
yeah.
A
Q
A
B
K
B
If
there's
nothing
else
on
that,
the
only
other
update
I
had
I
I,
don't
believe.
I
gave
this
the
last
meeting,
but
the
amendments
to
the
child
care.
The
sections
of
the
zoning
code
were
approved
by
the
city
council.
You
know
as
presented
from
the
Planning
Commission,
so
that's
good
news,
so
it
is
now
easier
to
have
a
child
care
facility
in
Palm
Springs.
B
Oh
yes,
thank
you.
The
Dream
Hotel
was
continued
by
the
city
council,
so
it
was
to
be
heard
last
week
and
I
think
because
there
were
sort
of
parallel
conversations
going
on
around
the
planning
entitlements,
as
well
as
the
operations
and
management
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
the
hotel
operator
and
those
conversations
were
still
underway.
It
was
decided
to
continue
our
conversation
on
the
planning
side
until
such
time
that
both
of
those
items
can
be
heard
concurrently.