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Okay,
we
are
at
public
comment.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
architectural
Advisory
Committee
on
the
in
front
of
us.
The
only
item
we
have
is
one
a
discussion
and
review
of
50%
design
development
drawings
for
the
downtown
park.
Is
there
a
member
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak.
A
There
being
none,
and
but
if
we
have
time
at
events
after
you've
heard
the
presentation
I
will
open
it
back
up,
so
we're
going
into
the
discussion
and
review
of
50%
design
development
drawings
for
the
downtown
park.
Just
a
comment
for
people
here
before
I
call
for
the
staff
report.
This
item
by
the
Consul
was
sent
to
a
combined
committee
that
include
included
several
boards
and
commissions
both
of
our
boards
have
representatives
on
that
body,
but
we
did,
and
so
this
will
be.
A
B
Chair
you
stole
my
report.
I
was
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background,
especially
for
members
of
the
AAC
who
have
not
been
as
involved
in
this.
Perhaps
there
is
a
city
council
subcommittee
that
is
meeting
and
reviewing
the
drawings
for
the
park
that
is
composed
of
Mayor,
Pro,
Tem,
Roberts
and
councilmember
holstege.
We
have
both
Planning
Commission
and
AAC
representatives
on
that
subcommittee,
our
Planning
Commission
representatives,
our
chair
Warmack
and
commissioner
her
spine
and
then
from
the
AAC.
B
We
have
member
Locke
year
and
member
McCoy
who
are
representing
the
AAC,
and
so
they
have
been
attendance
at
the
subcommittee
meetings
and
have
offered
comments
on
the
plans
as
they've
reviewed
them.
At
our
most
recent
subcommittee
meeting,
there
was
a
request
by
the
subcommittee
members
to
have
a
combined
study
session
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
AAC
so
that
you
all
could
comment
on
the
50%
design
development
drawings
that
we
have
before
us
and
then
forward.
B
Those
comments
back
to
the
larger
subcommittee,
and
so
that
is
our
purpose
today,
is
to
get
your
comments
on
the
50%
design,
development,
drawings.
I
will
summarize
those
comments
and
forward
those
to
the
subcommittee
and
so
I'll
be
acting
as
the
secretary
today
to
do
that,
you
also
have
your
subcommittee
representatives,
who
will
assist
me
in
sharing
those
comments
with
the
larger
subcommittee
and
so
I'm
appreciative
to
them
to
also
assist
me
in
that
function.
B
Just
by
way
of
background,
the
City
Council
approved
the
schematic
design
for
the
park
back
in
October
of
2017
after
public
input
sessions
on
the
design
of
the
park.
Last
summer,
our
consultant
Rios
Clemente
Hale
Studios,
did
both
sessions
with
the
public
and
then
also
did
an
online
survey
of
what
the
park
should
be
and
as
part
of
those
public
comment
sessions,
they
came
back
with
two
themes
that
were
the
strongest
in
terms
of
receiving
votes
from
the
public.
B
That
was
the
first
thing
was
of
a
healing
Oasis
and
the
second
one
was
the
common
grounds
theme
or
a
place
for
gathering,
and
so
based
on
that
input,
they
developed
a
design
that
again
was
approved
by
the
City
Council
in
October
of
2017
and
now
we're
in
the
process
of
refining
those
designs,
putting
a
budget
to
it
and
determining
the
exact
details
of
the
park.
Let
me
go
ahead
and
go
through
the
presentation
that
was
presented
to
the
subcommittee
and
what
I
will
do
is
I'll.
B
Just
ask
the
subcommittee
members,
those
of
you
who've,
seen
it
if
there's
anything
that
I
leave
out
in
my
review
or
discussion.
If
you
would
just
add
your
comments
in
because
if
again,
I
won't
do
quite
as
good
of
a
job
as
Rios
Clemente
Hale
does
in
terms
of
the
presentation
today,
let
me
just
start
with
an
overview
of
the
layout
of
the
park
again.
B
This
is
one
of
the
blocks
within
the
downtown
project,
immediately
adjacent
to
the
parking
structure
which
is
shown
here
on
the
north
part
of
the
plan
or
the
upper
portion
of
the
plan.
The
Palm
Springs
Art
Museum,
is
to
the
west
or
on
the
left
side
of
the
plan.
The
future
site
of
the
Virgin
Hotel
is
on
the
east
or
on
the
right
side
of
the
plan,
and
then
we
have
museum
way
the
street,
which
runs
towards
the
Art
Museum
there
at
the
bottom
of
the
park
design
within
the
park
itself.
B
There
are
about
five
different
elements.
Furthest
to
the
east
is
the
plaza
where
the
forever
Maryland
statue
might
be
located
at
some
point.
In
the
future
we
have
an
area
called
the
palm
grove
which
is
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
site.
At
the
north,
south
southwest
corner
of
the
site
is
an
area
called
the
theater
or
the
event
lawn.
B
Looking
at
the
hardscape
materials
on
the
site,
the
consultants
looked
at
the
color
of
the
surrounding
landscape
and
will
be
using
that
as
a
basis
for
the
materials
in
the
park
itself.
You'll
see
at
the
bottom
of
this
page,
we
have
a
different
variety
of
sizes
of
rock
materials
using
the
Palm
Springs
gold
that
will
include
both
boulders.
It
will
also
have
four
to
eight
inch
rubble
three-quarter
inch
aggregate
as
well
as
decomposed
granite
in
terms
of
the
concrete
paving
materials
for
the
site.
B
It's
going
to
be
a
buff,
colored
concrete,
and
so
it's
going
to
match
the
same
color
tone
as
the
Palm
Springs
Desert
Gold
and
then
at
the
very
eastern
part
of
the
site.
The
art
Plaza
area
will
use
the
pave
that
we
have
currently
within
the
sidewalk
areas
of
the
downtown
project,
which
is
a
gray
tone,
but
it
has
kind
of
a
gold
undertone
to
it,
so
it
will
match
or
coordinate
with
the
desert
gold.
B
B
Will
they
have
a
rough
finish
to
them,
etc,
and
so
those
have
all
been
concerns
expressed
by
the
subcommittee
members
to
these,
but
you'll
notice
here
in
the
illustration,
at
the
bottom
right
that
they
are
going
to
be
varying
in
height,
so
I
think
between
about
18,
inches
and
24
inches
in
height
for
seating,
they
will
have
these
powder-coated
metal
arm
rests
that
will
be
used
so
seniors.
Getting
up
have
some
way
to
boost
themselves
up
also,
it
helps
to
prevent
skateboarders
from
trying
to
go
up
and
down
the
benches
as
well
and.
A
B
B
A
B
B
The
consultant
did
shade
studies
of
this
to
determine
if
the
planting
pattern
for
the
palms
would
have
adequate
shading
of
the
site
during
the
summer
months,
also
thinking
about
how
it
would
be
during
the
winter
mugs
in
reviewing
these
diagrams
one
of
the
things
that
the
subcommittee
as
a
whole
had
a
concern
about
was
that
they're
not
taking
into
account
the
mountain
effect
that,
during
the
winter
about
3:30
p.m.
we
start
getting
the
shadow
that
will
come
across
the
park
a
little
bit
later
during
the
summer
months.
B
So
we
have
asked
them
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
the
shade
study
and
incorporate
the
effect
of
the
mountain
on
the
site
that
will
play
into
our
comments
later
on.
In
terms
of
the
shading.
There
were
comments
from
the
subcommittee
about
having
perhaps
some
type
of
shade
structures
in
the
park
as
well
and.
A
G
B
I,
don't
believe
that
it
does
and
that's
a
good
point,
the
Virgin
Hotel.
We
know
the
massing
and
the
height
of
that
structure,
so
that
could
be
incorporated
on
block
F,
which
is
the
parcel
to
the
south,
where
the
AC
Marriott
was
originally
planned
to
go
and
will
be
multifamily
in
the
future.
We
don't
know
the
massing
of
that
yet,
but
that's
we.
G
C
Just
have
a
quick
question:
on
the
concrete
benches,
with
respect
to
the
amphitheater
environment,
the
concrete
benches
are
meant
to
supplement
the
long
seating
in
the
areas
where
it's
directly
across
from
the
stage
and
there's
just
two
rows
of
that.
Is
there
correctly
it
doesn't
go
up
any
higher
than
that?
That's.
B
Looking
at
the
proposed
trees
for
the
palm
grove
area,
there
are
three
different
types
of
Palms
proposed:
there
are
The
Washingtonian
flora,
there
is
the
Washingtonian
filibuster,
which
is
the
hybrid,
and
then
there
is
also
a
shorter
and
I
always
pronounce
this
incorrectly
Oaxaca
palm,
which
we'll
use
as
an
understory.
You
can
see
in
your
illustrations
and
here
on
the
screen.
The
darkest
color
for
the
Palms
is
the
flue
Firas.
B
The
lighter
green
color
is
two
filibusters
in
terms
of
their
locations,
and
then
the
yellow
color
is
the
short
understory
palms,
and
so
that
is
the
proposed
layout
of
the
palms
in
terms
of
their
initial
installation.
They'll
vary
in
height
from
10
feet,
to
18,
feet
of
brown,
trunk
height
upon
installation
and
I.
Think
the
discussion
also
was
to
keep
a
number
of
them
with
the
skirts
or
the
bearded
condition.
One
of
the
things
that
they
wanted
to
do.
B
Another
thing
that
they
wanted
to
do
was
to
make
sure
that
there
was
some
color
during
all
seasons
of
the
year,
and
so,
as
you
look
at
the
chart
at
the
bottom
of
the
page,
giving
you
an
idea
of
what
the
colors
will
be
during
the
different
months
of
the
year
again,
the
idea
to
have
color
throughout
the
year
and
then
also
looking
at
what
types
of
birds,
butterflies
and
things
that
those
plant
materials
would
attract
to
the
park
was
another
consideration
that
they
gave
to
those
plantings.
A.
G
Little
concern
about
the
color.
Is
this
going
to
be
a
major
bee
attractant
and
has
that
been
looked
at?
Are
we
gonna
have
pretty
large
mobs
of
bees
and
stuff
well.
B
A
B
I'll
next
go
into
the
area,
that's
probably
the
most
controversial
about
the
park
design.
This
is
the
labeled
here
is
the
forever
Maryland
Plaza
one
of
the
things
that
the
subcommittee
recommended
is
that,
instead
of
calling
it
the
forever
Maryland
Plaza
that
we
call
it
the
Art
Plaza,
and
so
there
will
be
a
name
change
there.
The
intent
is
that
there
will
be
a
location
for
the
forever
Maryland
statue
if
we
are
able
to
obtain
it.
If
we
aren't
able
to
obtain
it,
then
we'll
have
room
for
other
art
pieces
that
could
be
located
there.
B
One
of
the
reasons
that
the
consultants
kept
it
to
a
side
of
the
park
is
that
they
wanted
to
offer
an
Instagram
moment
for
visitors
who
enjoy
that
statue,
while
not
keeping
it
within
the
center
of
the
park.
It
allows
the
park
for
other
uses,
that
we
have
our
gathering
spaces
etc,
and
the
statue
is
off
to
a
side
of
that,
and
so
that's
the
proposed
location
again.
The
pavers
here
will
be
the
same
that
are
used
in
the
sidewalk
areas
elsewhere
in
the
downtown
project,
street
trees
will
be
consistent
along
the
Bilardo
Abelardo.
B
B
E
There
wasn't
but
I
see
the
argument
now
that
it's
a
lot
of
hard
surface,
although
I,
like
your
response,
also
Flynn,
one
of
the
other
issues
that
did
come
up
was
potential
staging
area
for
festivals
and
satellite
like
portable
toilets
and
things
like
that.
I,
don't
think
that
that
was
ever
resolved,
but
when
Flynn
brought
up
his
counter
argument,
I
felt
like.
Maybe
this
is
an
area
where
that
has
potential.
Also
so.
C
My
consider
my
concern
would
be
this
can't
be
really
used
as
back
of
the
house,
assuming
there's
a
festival
or
something
going
on
and
you
need
additional
or
to
parties
or
whatever.
This
is
right
at
the
beginning
of
if
you're
coming
from
Palm
Canyon
you're.
This
is
how
you
meet
the
park,
so
you
wouldn't
want
to
be
meaning
the
park
with
all
sorts
of
utilitarian
things.
A
G
B
D
B
Apologize,
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
the
acreage
for
East
each
of
those
individual
elements,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we
can
ask
consultant
to
provide
to
us
and
I
can
forward
that
information
to
you.
All
Peter
asked
me
that
earlier
and
I'm
sorry
I
don't
know
right
off
the
top
of
my
head.
H
I
had
a
question:
if
there
was
any
discussion
on
museum
way,
I
know
one
of
the
goals
was
to
create
that
as
a
Boulevard
that
led
to
the
museum,
but
in
this
proposed
design
there's
papers
on
the
south
side
of
the
street.
You
know
long
to
Jason
to
the
street,
but
they're
not
on
the
the
Parkside
and
I
feel
that
the
way
the
pavers
are
ending
in
the
proposed
design.
It's
it's
almost
like
it's
a
right
away
line
or
something
and
we're
having
this
straight
edge.
H
So
for
me,
I
think
some
better
integration
at
the
corner
or
the
possibility
of
carrying
the
pavers,
at
least
in
the
same
width,
that's
along
the
south
side
of
the
street,
all
the
way
down
to
the
museum
to
again
reinforce
because
they've
used
the
same
type
of
trees,
but
reinforce
that
Boulevard
effect.
Okay,.
B
F
Regarding
the
large
hard
scape
I
was
just
gonna
make
the
comment
that
if
it's
not
forever
Maryland
going
in
there
and
some
other
art
piece
or
pieces,
they
may
be
spread
multiple
pieces
throughout
the
hardscape
space.
So
I've
been
trying
to
imagine
a
little
more
versatility
in
it.
So
maybe
maybe
that's
more
justification
for
a
little
bit.
Larger
hearts,
Gabe
just
a
possibility.
B
A
B
B
The
consultants
analyzed
the
use
of
the
space
in
a
number
of
different
ways,
you'll
see
on
the
left-hand
of
this
image,
using
it
for
a
standing
capacity
crowd
and
then
on
the
right-hand
page.
If
we
were
to
actually
put
in
seats
and
have
a
seated
audience,
and
so
they
anticipate
with
a
seated
audience,
you
could
have
about
350
400
450
somewhere
in
there
with
folding
seats
in
the
lawn
area,
and
then
you
also
have
the
additional.
D
B
The
site
benches
there
at
the
rear
of
the
site
on
the
slope
for
a
standing
audience.
You
could
get
approximately
5
to
600
in
there
one
of
the
things
that
they
have
also
taken
into
consideration,
and
that
subcommittee
had
comments
on
if
we
were
to
close
the
streets
around
that
what
it
still
functioned
as
an
event
space.
B
What
you
will
see
with
the
design
of
the
pavilion-
let's
see,
let
me
go
there
that
the
pavilion
there,
the
shade
structure
over
the
raised
stage
area,
is
essentially
open
on
all
sides,
and
so
it
could
function
in
a
number
of
different
ways.
They
also
looked
at
how
to
use
that
raised
stage
again.
This
is
a
very
low
stage,
I
believe
it
about
twenty
four
inches
max
above
the
area
on
the
site.
B
They
looked
at
it
for
a
concert,
configuration
Chamber,
Orchestra
configuration,
theater,
dance
configuration,
and
so
they
haven't
taken
different
configurations
into
account
in
terms
of
the
area
of
the
stage
itself
and
the
shape
of
the
stage
going
back
to
the
shade
structure
over
the
the
stage.
This
is
again
to
also
reflect
sound
as
well
as
provide
shade
for
the
performers.
B
There,
on
the
stage
itself,
the
design
of
the
structure
is
to
mimic
palm
frond
patterns
and
that's
what
provides
the
shade
and
you
can
see
from
the
colors
there
on
the
upper
right
that
it
will
be
a
combination
of
those
colors
on
the
shade
structure
itself
again
tying
in
to
the
overall
theme
of
the
greens
and
the
yellows
that
are
being
used
throughout
the
site.
I.
C
Have
a
couple
questions
with
respect
to
the
seating,
very
typically,
when
you
have
a
lawn
kind
of
a
theater
experience,
people
want
to
come
with
blankets
and
all
sorts
of
things
to
set
up
and
enjoy
the
event.
Obviously,
this
is
not
gonna
be
large
enough
if
you
want
maximum
seating
capacity
or
something
like
that
to
occur,
how
they
plan.
Maybe
this
is
too
premature
of
a
question,
but
today
how
they
plan
on
eliminate
two
kinds
of
seating
arrangements
where
you
can
maximize
seating,
either
by
standing
only
or
a
regimented
line
of
chairs.
B
C
B
C
My
other
question
is
if
you're
standing
on
the
on
the
raised
portion
of
the
seating,
where
you
can
either
sit
on
the
concrete
benches:
they're,
not
concrete,
I'm,
sorry
but
I,
forget
the
term
of
sedimentary
Benzes,
but
also
standing
up
on
the
bluff.
Basically,
with
will
a
shade
structure
in
any
way
affect
the
sight
lines
for
people
who
were
that
far
back
and
that
far
up
the.
C
A
F
No
not
to
rearrange
the
whole
park
here,
but
just
to
ask
a
question
about.
Was
there
any
conversation
in
the
study
group
about
the
fact
that,
where
the
direction
that
the
audience
from
the
lawn
is
looking
at
the
stage
is
southwest
and
that
that
is
the
direction
the
Sun
is
coming
at
them
most
of
the
day
until
the
Sun
disappears
behind
the
mountains,
so
that
everyone's
looking
directly
into
the
Sun
any
conversation
about
that.
I
Fillet
and
I'm
very
impressed
that
the
group
talked
about
using
the
museum
steps
in
the
streets
so
that
it's
dual
purpose
I
think
that's
absolutely
ideal.
Just
in
my
past
experience
in
designing
parks
and
whatnot
a
24
inch
stage
when
you
have
if
you're
gonna
use
chair,
seating
is
very
low
and
people
might
be
standing
to
look
around,
especially
if
it's
intended
to
use
for
performances,
but
even
in
our
history
here
in
Palm
Springs,
when
we
have
rallies
and
whatnot,
they
want
to
be
higher.
I
So
they're
seen
a
speaker
wants
to
be
higher
and
if
you
look
at
the
Palm
Desert
staged
and
whatnot
it's
much
higher
than
24
inches,
and
sometimes
they
don't
when
it's
not
being
used
as
a
stage
like
I.
Think
you
have
here,
don't
have
the
seating,
that's
around
it.
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
comment
about
if
you're
in
the
museum
steps
I
totally
agree
with
Kenny.
I
But
if
you're
in
the
museum
steps
does
that
shade
structure
block
your
view
from
the
museum
steps
to
the
stage
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I
would
I
don't
know
if
it's
been
considered
or
not?
Is
the
overall
electrical
infrastructure
for
lighting
and
sound
so
that
the
infrastructure
is
in
place
so
that
we
don't
have
cords
running
to
the
back?
You
know
of
the
lawn
area,
so
you
can
just
plug
and
play
and
I
think
that
infrastructure
should
be
thought
out
and
put
in
out
front
I.
Think.
A
That
was
one
of
the
very
first
things
they
discussed,
even
when
they
were
discussing
it
two
or
three
years
ago.
So
my
understanding
is
that
all
of
the
sound
infrastructure
and
lighting
will
be
in
place.
The
other
component
of
the
stage
just
to
answer
that
is
that
the
shade
structure
can
be
taken
down.
It's
meant
to
be
flexible
and
put
up
and
taken
down,
so
it
I
think
they
can
work
with
that
and
again.
B
D
B
Exactly
that's
going
to
be
a
concern
with
dual
usage:
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
holds
up
for
both
events
and
then
for
casual
use
as
well.
Talking
a
little
bit
more
about
the
color
theme.
They've
also
provided
some
information
on
graphics,
signage
and
again
general
color
theme
for
materials
in
the
park.
B
You
can
see
the
pallet
that
they
have
at
the
bottom
of
the
page,
trying
to
reflect
that
both
in
the
design
elements
as
well
as
the
plant
materials,
and
to
have
that
throughout
the
park
area,
they
are
proposing
to
have
a
limited
amount
of
moveable
chairs
and
tables.
You'll
see
the
proposed
furniture
there
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
That
will
primarily
be
on
the
edge
of
the
palm
grove
area.
There
has
been
some
discussion
among
the
subcommittee
members.
Are
those
pieces
going
to
be
moved
or
we're
going
to
lose
them
theft?
Things
like
that.
B
So
that
is
a
concern
of
the
subcommittee
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
The
consultants
has
said
that
they've
used
movable
furniture
in
other
parks
and
based
on
the
weight
of
the
furniture
that
they've
selected
that
helps
to
cut
down
on
the
amount
of
theft
when
it's
very
heavy
furniture.
But
there
is
something
very
desirable
about
being
able
to
move
chairs
around
based
on
the
size
of
your
group.
There's
there's
just
a
certain
wonderful
quality
and
being
able
to
do
that.
G
F
For
what
it's
worth,
I've
seen,
what
appears
to
be
the
exact
same
furniture
just
in
a
different
color
used
in
Grand
Park,
downtown,
Los
Angeles,
and
it's
spread
out
all
over
the
place
and
I've
run
or
walk
through
that
park.
Frequently
during
the
week,
sometimes
and
I,
don't
remember,
seeing
any
attrition
of
furniture
disappearing,
there's
still
tons
of
it
spread
around.
I
Thoroughly
applaud
the
use
of
movable
furniture
because
I
think
that
creates
groupings
in
a
creature
socialization
in
a
park
that
I
think
what
we
probably
are
attending
to
do.
I
might
suggest
that
those
benches
that
they're
the
tables
and
the
chairs
that
the
proposed
he
not
be
metal
because
we
live
in
the
desert
and
that
they
might
be
something
like
teak
wood
or
something
that
is
cooler
to
the
touch
and
not
be
burnt.
I.
B
Yeah
we'll
go
ahead
and
forward
that
comment
on
there
as
chair,
where
Michael
did
indicate
there
were
concerns
about
the
metal
arm,
rests
on
the
bench
again
that
they
would
be
too
hot
during
the
summer
months.
So
generally,
we
do
have
those
concerns
about
that,
although
we
do
like
the
design
of
them.
One
of
the
things
talking
about
the
armrests,
just
briefly,
is
going
back
to
some
of
the
initial
public
input
that
we
received.
Looking
at
Nelly,
Kaufman's
quote
there
about
space,
stillness
solitude
and
simplicity
and
trying
to
carry
that
theme
throughout
the
park.
B
Those
armrests
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
have
those
types
of
words
and
images,
and
things
like
that
incorporate
it
into
the
park.
You
can
Steve
see
there
that
stillness
would
be
cut
out
of
that
particular
armrest,
and
you
could
see
that
theme
carried
throughout.
In
addition,
one
of
the
other
things
that
they
had
proposed
is
doing
decorative
plaques
for
the
plants
within
the
park,
indicating
their
importance
to
the
Cahuilla
tribe,
so
tying
in
our
history
with
the
tribe
as
well
into
the
park.
H
I
have
a
question
on
the
armrest
with
the
effort
that
was
taken
to
create
this
sedimentary
soil
profile
of
the
benches,
I
guess
reflecting
the
fault
lines
or
the
terrain
and
so
forth.
We're
the
arm
wrists,
because
they're
so
foreign
to
this
naturalistic
shape
of
the
walkways
the
benches
and
the
landscape
were
those
developed
to
be
create
more
of
a
design
element
or
pattern
through
the
project.
Yeah.
B
E
A
B
One
of
the
reasons
for
this
design
feature
is
to
help
screen
the
parking
structure
there
on
the
north
side
of
the
park,
so
that
it
really
does
feel
like
a
natural
environment,
and
so
they
have
proposed
to
do
kind
of
a
raised
landscape
feature
here,
which
will
then
also
serve
as
a
backdrop
for
the
water
feature
as
well,
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
giving
some
raised
seating
for
the
event
lawn,
and
so
that
is
the
the
reason
for
having
that
in
terms
of
the
appearance.
You
get
an
idea
here.
B
And
then
the
understory
planting
here
on
the
outcrop
is
a
slightly
different
palette
than
what
we
see
in
the
palm
grove.
One
of
the
things
that
they're
introducing
here
on
the
backside
of
the
outcropping
is
the
use
of
succulents
in
particular
cacti.
There
is
a
concern
that
we
potentially
could
have
people
try
to
get
back
in
that
area,
which
is
really
not
where
they
want
to
be
or
should
be,
and
so
we
are
proposing
to
use
cactus
in
that
area
as
a
way
to
kind
of
discourage
people
there.
B
B
Me
go
to,
let's
see
the
section,
drawing
doesn't
show
very
well
in
this
slide.
It
rises
up
to
about
10
feet
in
height
at
some
of
the
higher
portions
where
the
buildings
are.
There
is
a
portion,
that's
12
feet
right
at
the
fall,
so
that's
the
highest
point
of
that
portion.
Most
of
it.
Let's
see,
I
was
trying
to
see
if
there
was
another
section.
B
D
You've
got
benches
two
rows
of
benches
that
are
potentially
for
the
event
long
in
the
stage
and
then
behind
that
I'm
assumed
that
there's
a
the
upper
one
there's
a
path
and
then
behind
that
is
planting
and
is
the
intent.
Because
when
you
look
at
the
one
renderer
rendering
it
looks
like
that,
the
intent
of
that
whole
planting
area
behind
that
path
is
not
really
for
pedestrians
or
the
public
to
enter
and.
D
B
D
D
D
B
D
B
That's
correct
and
again
that's
to
prevent
access
to
the
higher
part
of
that
slope
area
to
keep
people
from
trying
to
get
up
to
the
top
of
the
waterfall
and
jump
off
those
types
of
things.
So
there
is
a
four-foot
high
fence
there
until
it
dead-ends
into
the
wall,
and
then
the
wall
rises
up
to
sedimentary
wall,
but
rises
up
from
that
point,
Flynn
I'd
like
to
point
out.
J
Go
back
to
the
section
one
of
the
blood
images,
some
more
technical
things,
because
I
think
that
four-foot
fence
that
meanders
through
the
landscape
is
good
for
people
coming
up
from
the
park.
But
if
you
look
at
the
section,
somebody
in
the
parking
garage
could
jump
up
over
that
low
concrete
wall
and
onto
the
berm
area
and
then
potentially
continue
up
to
the
top
of
the
water
element.
J
J
Theoretically,
a
kid
even
could
continue
along
that
that
landscape
area
to
the
roof
of
the
police,
substation,
in
which
case
there's
there's
no
railing
or
whatnot,
and
even
probably
at
the
second
level
of
the
parking
structure.
The
city
could
should
consider
something
like
that
as
well.
Somebody
again
could
jump
down
from
the
parking
structure
and
I'm
sure
Rios
could
design
something
quite
beautiful
in
order
to
I
just
hate
to
see
this
thing
built
and
then
band-aids
put
on
it
in
the
future.
C
B
B
Essentially,
so
there's
no
standing
water
in
that
at
any
point
in
time,
and
that
was
particularly
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
Health
Department,
as
well
as
some
of
the
regulatory
things
that
we
would
have
to
take
into
account
if
it
were
some
type
of
a
water
basin.
It
would
require
additional
things
from
us
to
maintain
that
as
well
as
to
police,
that,
in
addition,
the
splash
pad
area
and,
let's
see
the
splash
pad
area-
will
not
have
any
standing
water
in
that
area.
B
Either
it's
going
to
have
a
seated
concrete
finish
to
it
and
there
will
be
no
standing
water.
So
it's
not
a
pool
city,
we'll
also
be
able
to
control
the
time
that
the
splash
pad
operates,
so
that
you
know
overnight
or
things
like
that
that
people
aren't
using
it
for
bathing
or
showering
or
or
what-have-you.
So
those
were
all
concerns
that
they
had
brought
up
relative
to
that.
A
I
B
In
addition
to
the
waterfall
and
the
interactive
fountain
they're,
also
going
to
have
a
fog
system,
some
lighting
to
add
additional
cooling
to
that
area.
The
fog
will
both
as
I
understand
it
come
from
the
basin
as
well
from
the
sedimentary
wall.
Let's
see,
I
thought
I
yeah
and
the
idea
is
to
have
plants
that
will
spill
over
that
sedimentary
wall
at
that
portion
of
the
site.
A
Was
a
great
deal
of
discussion
of
the
mechanics
of
it
and
how
well
it
could
be
operated
from
a
park
and
Rec
point
of
view.
So
I
think
we
spent
the
greatest
portion
of
our
last
review
on
fountain
and
it's
really
not
it's
really
a
fountain
and
not
a
waterfall,
but
it'll.
Look
like
a
waterfall
on
the
maintenance,
the
machinery
and
how
it
would
operate
safety.
But
we
missed
Doug's
point.
B
Moving
on
to
the
restrooms
and
the
police
substation,
the
design
that
we
see
here
is
a
little
bit
different
than
what
was
shown
in
the
schematic
design
to
the
City
Council.
Last
October
we
had
started
out
with
separate
men's
and
women's
restrooms
that
were
back
off
of
a
hallway
out
of
concerns
for
safety,
as
well
as
looking
at
the
number
of
restrooms
that
we
have
available.
B
The
current
thought
is
to
have
four
general
gender-neutral,
toilet
rooms
that
have
outside
doors
to
them,
and
then
you'll
see
that
there
is
a
multi
station
sink
behind
a
partition
wall
there
out
in
front
of
those.
So
there
is
some
degree
of
separation
and
privacy
from
the
rest
of
the
park,
but
that
is
the
proposed
restroom
designed
there.
The
police
substation
is
immediately
to
the
right.
It's
about
700
square
feet,
an
area
it
will
feature
glass.
B
Walls
looking
out
to
the
park,
they'll
actually
be
using
a
fretted
glass
design
here,
as
you
can
see
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
of
this
image.
So
you
won't
exactly
know
when
the
police
are
looking
out
to
the
park.
They
could
be
there
24
hours
a
day,
but
again
that's
the
idea
of
the
fretted
glass.
They
will
have
observation
of
the
park
from
the
police
substation.
There.
D
On
the
you
see
where
it
says,
the
police,
storage
and
mechanical,
it
looks
like
the
access
is
off
to
the
property
line
which
I'm
asking
the
question
is
number
one.
Is
there
a
right-of-way
between
the
park
and
the
struck
their
garage
that
they
can
access
that?
And
if
so,
what
does
that
look
like
at
the
entries
or
how
it
closes
on
each
of
each
of
the
ends
from
the
public
I.
B
Believe
that
the
access
to
the
storage
room
is
directly
from
the
parking
structure,
so
that
will
just
be
a
door
to
the
parking
structure.
With
that
right
up
against
the
parking
structure
itself,
you
will
see
that
there
is
a
planter
to
the
right
of
that
between
the
parking
structure
and
the
back
wall
of
the
police
substation,
and
they
are
showing
trees
within
that
area
there.
B
D
B
E
Yeah
I
see
the
practicality
of
police
using
that
for
storage,
doesn't
really
seem
to
be
there,
and
so
I
made
a
note
of
that
to
bring
that
up
at
our
next
meeting.
But
I
know
that
we
did
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time.
The
substation
itself,
as
well
as
a
detailed
floor
plan,
is
forthcoming
on
the
next
presentation,
I
believe
at
which
they
they
want
to
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
working
with
the
police
department
on
their
exact
needs
there
and
I
believe
they're
rethinking
some
of
that.
E
They
expressed
the
need
for
storage
as
well
as
the
bathroom
for
access
just
for
themselves.
Privately,
quite
a
bit
of
time
was
spent
on
that
so
I
I
know
they
were
thinking
some
of
that
through
a
bit
more,
and
that
is
true.
They
were
gonna
use
a
fair
amount
of
that
space
for
the
pump
house
for
the
water
feature
itself.
The
bathrooms
we
did
spend
a
good
bit
of
time
on
that.
E
Also,
some
concerns
were
brought
up
about
security
and
people
using
those
bathrooms
for
things
they
shouldn't
be,
and
at
the
same
time,
it
was
commented
that
the
the
hours
of
operation
that
the
police
will
be
using
that
was
seemed
like
the
antennas.
In
short
time
it
will
be
24
hours
a
day,
not
not
right
away,
but
almost
full
time
right
away
and
then
24
hours
a
day.
I
think
yeah.
B
C
A
A
J
Flynn
or
Shan,
maybe
what
is
the
path
of
travel
I'm
still
following
up
on
the
question
about
the
the
access
from
the
substation
into
the
parking
structure,
because
I'm,
assuming
that
the
police
would
want
to
have
a
number
of
parking
spaces
within
the
parking
structure,
immediately
adjacent
to
the
substation
and
I'm
sure?
There
is
a
way
to
get
there.
But
the
path
of
travel
really
isn't
indicated
on
any
of
these
drawings
and
I
think
they
should
be.
G
B
H
H
B
Something
that
we'll
need
some
additional
information
on
I
believe
in
terms
of
the
path
of
travel.
There
is
going
to
be
an
access
point
there
at
the
south
east
corner
of
the
garage
that
you
would
go
through
the
forever
Maryland
Plaza,
the
Art
Plaza
into
the
garage
at
that
point,
but
you
would
have
to
travel
around
that
planter.
But
looking
at
the
treatment
of
the
wall,
there
I
think
is
yeah.
J
Maybe
this
question
for
the
subcommittee,
the
the
doors
into
the
the
private
gender-neutral
toilet
stalls
I'm
not
seeing
any
overhang
of
any
type
over
those-
and
you
know
again,
those
were
certain-
will
be
metal
doors
with
metal
handles
facing
south.
So
going
back
to
some
of
those
concerns
about
things
getting
hot
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
location
to
recommend
to
the
the
architects
that
some
sort
of
Sun
Sun
canopy
has
put
on
those
might
even
be
a
nice
design
element
to.
D
B
Let
me
just
go:
we've
been
through
this
just
going
back
to
the
street
trees
that
we
are
using
the
tipo
wana
trees
that
we
already
have
on
Bilardo,
and
so
that
will
be
consistent
there
on
the
east
side
of
the
park.
We
will
be
using
the
date
palms
along
museum
way.
So
that's
consistent
and
we'll
forward
those
comments
on
the
hardscape
back
to
the
subcommittee
and
then
on
the
street
in
front
of
the
art
museum,
Museum
drive.
Those
will
be
the
Washingtonians
livery
which
will
continue
down
that
street.
B
So
there
is
consistency
in
terms
of
the
street
treatment
on
all
of
those
streets.
One
of
the
questions
we
had
earlier
I
think
mr.
wood.
You
brought
this
up
relative
to
lighting
and
the
infrastructure
there.
They
do
have
a
lighting
plan
proposed
for
the
park
and
looking
at
how
they're
going
to
light
the
different
elements,
you
can
see
that
here
in
this
image
that
it's
going
to
be
a
combination
of
lighting
rings
on
the
palm
trees,
providing
up
lighting
and
down
lighting.
B
There
will
also
be
some
light
within
the
landscape,
both
up
lights
and
down
lights
indicated
there
as
the
yellow
triangles
and
the
orange
triangles,
then,
the
down
lights
on
the
building's
themselves,
a
police
substation
in
the
restrooms,
and
so
that
gives
you
kind
of
an
overall
picture
of
the
lighting.
That's
proposed
throughout
the
site.
B
One
of
the
concerns
from
the
consultants
is
that
there's
some
additional
site
work
to
work
relative
to
the
parking
structure
that
isn't
incorporated
as
part
of
this
budget.
For
example,
there
is
currently
a
we
call
it
the
pit.
What
was
once
the
the
loading
for
the
mall
when
the
mall
was
in
place
that
that
loading
ramp
is
still
there.
That's
something
that's
not
included
in
their
budget.
There's
also
some
work
to
the
stairwells
into
the
parking
structure.
B
The
consultant
has
identified
some
concerns
that
if
we
have
to
use
some
of
the
park
funds
to
pay
for
those
that
we
would
then
need
to
look
at
what
do
we
reduce
or
cut
down
in
the
park,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
they've
discussed
is
replacing
the
sedimentary
finish
on
the
walls
of
the
restroom
building
and
the
police
substation,
as
maybe
one
of
the
cost
savings.
Also
looking
at.
B
Perhaps
removing
the
metal
arm
rests
from
the
concrete
benches,
reducing
perhaps
a
number
of
palm
trees
within
the
palm
grove
and
then
reducing
the
overall
length
of
the
sedimentary
walls,
so
they're
looking
at
things
that
could
be
cut
out
without
cutting
down
on
the
overall
aesthetic
of
the
park.
If
we
had
to
do
that
now,
the
city
is
actively
looking
at
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
accommodate
through
other
funding
sources.
B
Our
concern,
obviously,
is
we
want
to
have
the
park
as
the
way
that
the
consultants
have
designed
it
we're
very
happy
with
the
aesthetic
that
they've
come
up
with
and
the
treatment
that
they've
come
up
with
so
I
just
want
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
One
of
the
other
concerns
I
had
mentioned
this
earlier
was
relative
to
the
shading
in
the
palm
grove.
B
If
that
would
be
adequate
and
does
there
need
to
be
some
type
of
temporary
shade
structures,
as
perhaps
an
art
feature,
or
something
like
that
added
to
the
park,
and
so
that's
one
thing
that
the
subcommittee
has
discussed
as
a
potential
thing
to
be
added
that
we
would
need
to
accommodate
in
the
budget.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
that.
The
city
does
have
the
funding
available.
The
consultant
has
built
in
about
$300,000
of
cushion
into
the
budget
in
terms
of
between
doing
the
analysis
now
versus
when
we
start
construction
in
2019.
B
You
know
how
much
our
price
is
going
to
rise
on
materials,
and
things
like
that.
So
there
is
some
cushion
in
that
budget,
but
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
those
discussions
relative
to
the
budget
with
that.
That
concludes
my
presentation
to
you
in
terms
of
the
slides,
be
happy
to
take
any
additional
questions
or
comments.
You
might
have
that
you
want
to
forward
on
to
the
subcommittee
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
now.
J
Yeah,
maybe
it's
in
the
package
I
haven't
seen
it.
There
is
some
you
know,
monument,
signage
and
so
forth.
Identifying
the
park
is
there
directional
signage,
let's
say
for
people
to
know
where
the
restrooms
are
know,
the
path
of
travel
to
the
parking
structure,
and
vice
versa,
I
mean
it's
pretty
obvious.
It's
sort
of
line
of
sight,
but
some
of
those
things
may
be
some
I'm
sure
that
could
be
easily
rolled
into
the
package.
Yeah.
B
J
C
As
an
overall
overall
of
my
impression
is,
this
is
an
excellent,
excellent
proposal.
My
only
concern-
and
this
just
may
be-
because
spatial
reasoning
was
never
my
forte
in
school,
but
this
is
a
very
small
site
when
you
think
about
it
being
less
than
two
acres,
it's
funny
when
I
look
at
it
doesn't
seem
that
way,
but
it
is.
B
B
Of
the
time
is
what
I
would
imagine
that
it's
going
to
be?
You
know
people
coming
out
on
their
lunch
hour
to
enjoy
it
or
visitors
on
weekends.
Things
like
that
that,
for
that
experience,
it's
more
than
adequate
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
seating
that's
available
as
a
lawn
space.
Things
like
that.
It's
when
we
start
to
incorporate
events
that
concerns
about
how
many
users
can
enjoy
the
park
that
it
starts
to
become
a
question.
B
I
think
the
consultants
have
done
a
good
job
in
terms
of
their
allocation
of
space
with
the
size
of
the
park
in
mind
in
terms
of
how
we
use
it
for
events
where
there's
a
staged
concert
thinking
about
how
we
use
it
when
we
can
close
off
the
streets
adjacent
to
the
park,
I
think
they've
done
a
generally
good
job
of
thinking
about
that.
Keep
in
mind,
for
example
during
Thursday
night's
village
fest.
B
Thank
you,
sorry,
during
village,
fest
that
this
becomes
an
extension
of
village
fest
in
a
way
that
it
gives
us
additional
space
to
have
events
related
to
village
fest.
So
those
are
my
thoughts
that
again
95%
of
the
time
it's
going
to
be
a
passive
use
park.
It's
only
you
know
the
special
occasion,
special
events,
things
like
that,
where
it
will
need
to
accommodate
more
and
Kathy
and
Sean
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
additional
thoughts
on
that.
E
Just
that
we
didn't
discuss
it
in
detail,
whether
it
was
too
much
or
not,
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
fair
amount
of
thought
given
to
the
circulation
spaces,
the
width,
the
amount
of
people
that
they're
showing
in
plan
view,
although
they
didn't
capture
every
potential
scenario
with
blankets
and
wine
bottles
and
things
like
that,
don't
don't
know
whether
that's
allowed
or
not,
but
it
seems
like.
There
was
a
fair
amount
of
thought
given
to
that
to
me
and
I
think
that
was
our
general
take
on
it.
E
At
the
last
presentation,
I
only
see
three
really
core
components
here:
the
spring
water
feature
area
the
forest
and
in
the
open
grass
area,
where
the
theater
is
the
the
art
at
the
East
End
there.
So
I
don't
know
with
given
the
amount
of
space
they
have
to
me.
It's
I
don't
know
that
I
share
the
same
opinion
on
that,
doesn't
seem
too
busy
to
me
and
it
I
don't
think
it
did
to
anyone
else.
At
the
last
presentation.
A
Think
about
what
they
did
with
the
old
ranch
site
in
Santa
Monica,
where
they
put
a
park
in,
and
it
has
some
of
the
same
features
of
some
raised
areas,
walkthrough
area
spaces
that
people
can
be
and
it's
the
most
used
park
in
the
city.
People
sit
there.
They
they
watch
there.
It's
really
created
a
nice
space
and
I
think
they're,
capable
of
doing
it
and
I
thought
they
put
the
same
amount,
and
this
I
think
this
is
a
little
bit
smaller.
But
that
has
more
more
features
but
I.
A
C
D
I
think
it's
a
really
beautiful
design.
My
initial
reaction
was
that
when
it's
built,
its
gonna
feel
much
smaller
than
the
drawings
look,
and
that
was
the
same
experience.
I
had
a
reaction
I
had
when
they
opened
the
Senna
Park
in
Santa
Monica
at
the
ran
site.
I,
don't
know
that
you
would
reduce
anything,
but
I
think
the
overall
impression
that
people
will
have
of
this
is
this
is
a
grand
space
and
the
reality
is
it's
going
to
be
small.
I
I
think
we
missed
bicycle
parking
and
I.
Think
what
we
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
bicycles,
cleaning
it
against
the
benches
or
bicycles
brought
onto
the
lawn.
You
know
when
you're
trying
to
have
a
concert
and
actually
organizing
a
place
for
them
to
park
in
or
scooters.
Yes,
the
big
problem
in
some
parts
of
the
city,
so
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
that
not
only
from
multimodal
ISM
but
just
how
the
park
is
used
in
that
sense.
I
I
just
also
want
to
reiterate
Kenny's
point
about
looking
into
the
Sun
it's
better
to
put
pen
to
paper
now
than
it
is
to
spend
six
million
dollars
and
find
out.
We
made
a
mistake
just
to
kind
of
flush
that
out
a
little
bit
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
hype
of
the
can
at
the
height
of
the
stage.
I
really
do
think
it
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
higher
personally
you'll
get
tons
of
opinions.
I,
don't
like
the
color
of
the
show
set
the
stage
shade.
I
F
And
if
they're
going
to
be
running
power
to
the
stage
they
might
want
to
run
power
to
an
area
that
could
accommodate
a
booth
for
all
that
technical
equipment,
because
otherwise
they're
gonna
have
those
rubber
humps
running
back
and
forth.
That
people
have
to
step
over
just
something
to
think
ahead.
On.
H
I,
just
and
I
was
at
the
presentations
where
they
had
the
three
different
designs,
and
you
know
so.
I
saw
the
whole
design
process
go
through,
but
I
think
my
only
comment
or
question
on
this
is
at
the
south
east
corner
of
the
park
site.
Is
there
enough
of
a
entry,
Plaza
or
a
connection
to
the
downtown?
The
new
downtown
development
I
know
one
time
the
Maryland
statute
was
proposed
for
that
corner,
but
it
feels
like
you
know,
we're
over
by
the
museum
on
this
the
southwest
corner
of
the
park
site.
D
B
H
A
J
J
You
know
listening
to
Commissioner
dawnandphill
I.
That
was
my
first
reaction
to
this.
This
whole
composition
as
well.
It's
trying
to
do
so
much
and
I
agree.
It's
it's
not
a
big
space
but
I.
Think
Flynn,
you
know
sort
of
expressed
or
what
I've
come
to.
The
realization
is
that
this
should
really
be
truly
that
Oasis
space
it
should
be
a
passive
relaxation
space
I
think
the
water
elements
are
great.
J
Personally
I
think
you
know
that
the
stage
it's
nice
to
have
but
I
don't
see
it
as
a
major
performance
venue,
and
you
know
to
go
to
Tom's
comment
just
now
about
that
sort
of
entry
plaus
to
idea,
I
think,
there's
already
so
much
hardscape
with
the
sidewalks
and
the
streets
and
so
forth
that,
once
you
start
you
know
adding
another
plaza
or
gateway
or
whatever
you're
you're,
even
diminishing
the
softscape,
the
trees.
Even
more.
J
You
know
if
there
is
a
sort
of
a
street
for
a
major
arts
faire
or
something
like
that.
I
would
see
all
the
the
streets
surrounding
being
closed
for
booths
for
additional.
You
know
portable
toilets
and
things
like
that,
or
even
to
be
honest,
a
larger
stage
that
would
be
wired
would
have
the
sound,
the
technical
booth
capabilities
and
so
forth.
J
You
know
I
think
what
it's
it's
we're
almost
at
the
point
where
it's
we're
trying
to
do
too
much
with
this
park.
It's
unfortunate
actually
I
think
that
the
police
substation
has
to
take
up
real
estate
that
the
restrooms
have
to
take
up
quite
a
bit
of
real
estate,
but
you
know
they
are
necessities,
but
I
think
sort
of
the
balance
that
Rios
has
established
with
the
trails
and
and
sort
of
the
naturalistic
elements.
Is
it's
really
really
good?
J
A
B
B
Again
there
is
going
to
be
a
presentation
to
the
City
Council
I,
don't
know
if
it'll
be
at
the
July
11th
or
the
July
18th
City
Council
meeting,
but
they'll
also
be
looking
at
the
50%
design
development
drawings
as
well
again,
thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
AAC
and
the
Planning
Commission
for
your
comments
for
reviewing
this.
We
appreciate
your
time
and
and
your
thoughtfulness
about
this
project
and
again
it's
something
that
we
look
forward
to
seeing
built
here
very
shortly.
So
thank
you
with
that,
madam
chair.