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A
C
F
C
So
this
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
consent,
calendar
non
public
hearing
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
If
you
wish
to
speak
on
items,
1a,
1b,
4a
and
5a,
please
come
forward
at
this
time,
as
these
are
non
public
hearing
items.
Comments
on
a
public
hearing
item
may
be
made
at
the
time.
The
the
item
is
presented.
Please
note
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
C
H
Hello
commissioners,
sorry
I'm
kind
of
new
to
this
I
would
like
to
comment
on
the
item.
One
be
on
the
consent.
Calendar.
I
H
Name
is
Luke
Chow
and
I
am
the
store
design
manager
in
charge
of
the
project
at
the
Palm
Springs
Sephora
store
that
we're
building
and
I
wanted
to
make
an
exception
for
the
sign
permit
to
install
two
main
signs
that
exceed
the
letter.
Heights
of
16
inches
at
the
one
at
the
location
at
175,
North,
Palm,
Canyon,
Drive
I
have
brought
a
copy
of
our
sign
shop
drawings
if
you'd
like
to
look
at
them.
H
But
basically
the
idea
was
that
the
signs
I
think
the
the
permit
has
a
limit
of
16
inches
high
for
the
signs
and
in
comparison
to
the
tenants
that
are
nearest.
It's
a
very
small
sign
and
it
looks
a
little
out
of
proportion.
We
have
a
very
wide
storefront
and
in
comparison
our
neighbors
have
37
inch
high
signs
for
a
much
smaller
storefront
as
well
as
36
inches.
H
Excuse
me
36
inches
high
for
our
neighbor
to
our
other
side
and
we
are
proposing
a
30
inch
sign
for
ours,
because
we
have
all
capital
letters,
but
that's
the
branding
of
our
part
of
our
sign
and
so
and
then
we
also
have
a
presence
on
the
back.
And
in
that
case
we
would
like
to
just
go
up
to
18
inches
to
basically
fill
out
the
the
allowed
sign
space
area.
C
So
yeah,
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
looking
at
the
consent
calendar
determining
if
we
want
to
pull
anything
other
than
1b
I
guess
we
have
one
a
if
you
want
to
pull
that,
otherwise
we
can
go
ahead
and
approve
one,
a
actually
I'm.
Sorry
I
have
a
change
for
the
minutes
when,
if
we
want
to
go
down
the
line,
though.
C
Any
comments
any
changes,
okay
on
I
have
one
in
February
13th.
On
page
three
versus
Vice,
Chair
Mertz
see
I
had
said
that
I'd
like
to
see
a
condition
of
approval.
That's
that
in
six
months,
staff
will
prepare
a
report
summarizing
what
has
occurred
since
the
facility
went
in
to
offer
and
you
can
scratch
out
has,
since
the
facility
went
into
operation
I
distinctly
remember.
We
asked
for
six
months.
E
A
J
C
C
L
Mr.
chair
and
planning
commissioners,
the
request
before
you
is
a
sign
permit
for
the
Sephora
retailer
located
at
175
North
Palm
Canyon
Drive.
The
African
proposes
to
install
20-inch
high
channel
letters
on
the
rear
of
the
business
facing
the
Virgin
Hotel
site,
which
is
to
the
west
of
the
building
and
30
inch
high
letters
on
the
east
elevation,
which
faces
Palm
Canyon.
The
sign
program
for
this
building
was
approved
by
City
Council
on
July
26
of
2017.
L
However,
the
city
council
did
approve
letter
Heights
that
exceeded
16
inches,
as
you
see
in
the
table
comparison
on
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
so
the
letter
Heights
range
from
roughly
nineteen
to
thirty
eight
inches
in
overall
letter
height
for
the
other
tenants
in
the
building.
That's
the
tenant
here
in
question
does
have
a
larger
store
front
facing
Palm
Canyon,
so
it
would
make
sense
that
they
do
have
signage.
That
would
be
in
comparable
and
to
the
scale
of
that
storefront.
L
Thus
there,
as
I
said
requesting
a
letter
height
increase
from
16
to
20
on
the
West
elevation
and
30
on
the
east
elevation
and
again
that
is
comparable
with
what
range
and
size
has
been
approved
for
the
building
and
other
tenant
locations.
So
draft
resolution
has
been
prepared
and
is
attached
to
your
staff
report
for
consideration
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
today.
Thank
you.
J
L
Not
the
the
same
program
specifically
identified
the
proposed
location
on
the
rear
elevation
as
a
potential
sign,
regardless
of
whether
there
was
an
entrance
or
not,
regardless
of
whether
there's
an
entrance.
I
would
note
that
there
is
what
looks
to
be
a
door
that
is
probably
an
emergency
exit
and
maybe
the
affan
can
clarify,
but
it
is
definitely
not
one
of
the
primary.
You
know
the
primary
entry
is
gonna.
It's
not
a
public
interest,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it
is
or
not.
Okay,.
C
H
H
H
J
L
J
First
I
thought
this
I
might
be
too
big,
but
you
know
it's
it
it
it's
just
a
little
bit
over
the
average
of,
if
you
add
them
all
up,
I
think.
What's
throwing
me
is
if
you
look
at
keels,
which
has
a
bigger
size
to
the
K,
there's
a
bunch
of
little
letters
in
there
too.
So
it's
not
as
sort
of
predominant
visually.
This
is
just
block
letters
that
are
that
big
I
guess
I,
prefer
it
taken
down
a
little
bit.
I,
don't
know
if
the
rest
of
the
commissioners
gonna
agree
with
me
on
this.
J
The
other
thing
is
putting
graphics
on
fixed
glass
kind
of
says.
We
ran
out
of
money
and
we
don't
really
want
to
do
a
real
wall.
There
we're
just
going
to
put
something
on
some
existing
glazing,
so
you
can't
see
in
and
I
I
would
strongly
urge
a
condition
that
a
more
architectural
application
or
construction
be
down
rather
than
a
fixing,
opaque
or
translucent
graphics
to
glazing.
It
gives
it
a
real
sort
of
temporary
feel.
E
H
J
So
I
mean
the
applicant
all
due
respect
already
did
influence
the
architecture
by
replacing
a
double
set
of
glazed
doors,
with
a
solid
steel
door
on
the
left.
So
we
know
he's
impacted
the
architecture
already
and
also,
if
he's
afraid
of
heat
bubbling.
This
thing
up
the
thing
faces
west
in
Palm
Springs
doesn't
get
much
hotter
than
that.
So
that'd
be
a
reason
for
me
not
to
want.
L
J
Well,
I
mean
you
could
still
do
panels,
it
could
be
like
Commissioner
Hudson
said
metal
panels
can
fit
in
that
glazing
system
channels.
Mm-Hmm.
So
you
don't
it's
not
really
impacting
the
architecture.
If
you
just
had
metal
panels
again
it
shouldn't.
Look
like
spandrel
glass,
that's
just
gonna.
Look
like
we
made
a
mistake
and
put
glass
here,
I!
Think
I
think
it
needs
to
look
like
it
was
more
architectural
II
intended
just.
E
Like
to
add
that,
if,
if
it
were
a
film
applied
to
the
outside
of
the
window,
obviously
the
bubbling
would
occur
there,
but
I
think
more
importantly,
it's
accessible
to
pedestrians
and
you
know
less
than
savory
people
and
I
just
afraid
that
over
the
years
it
would
get
scratched
and
pretty
pretty
awful.
So
I
would
concur
with
the
idea
of
substituting
the
glass
panels
with
something
more
durable.
So.
H
Actually,
we
just
opened
a
store
in
Daly,
City
California,
that's
using
it,
they
are
getting
the
more
conventional
striping.
We
took
this
moment
just
like
into
our
Commission
thing,
to
put
a
mural
on
the
front
of
this
store.
We
were
taking
we're
kind
of
celebrating
Palm
Springs,
so
so
you're
getting
kind
of
a
more
decorative
graphic.
This
is
the
same
graphic.
That's
actually
in
our
Soho
store
in
New
York,
but
you
will
be
the
only
West
Coast
store
to
have
that
is.
H
Same
film
type
as
the
external
ones,
and
we
have
stores
going
up
in
Southern
California
that,
where
we're
going
to
be
doing
this
in
as
well-
and
it's
just
and
to
answer,
commissioner
Hudson,
the
reason
that
and
and
the
reason
that
we
chose
to
put
on
the
outside
is
because
we
have
a
dedicated
facilities,
department
and,
and
they
do
upkeep
on
a
monthly
quarterly
annual
basis,
which
means
that
any
bubbling
will
get
fixed
immediately.
So
we
we
do
fix
it.
C
C
C
C
J
We're
all
starting
over
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
signage
as
submitted,
but
modifying
the
applied
film
to
the
glazing
with
providing
solid
panels.
It
could
certainly
be
with
that
pattern
if
they
so
choose.
You
know,
there's
a
there's
a
way
to
bake
on
pattern
on
on
on
metal
panels,
but
that
they
would
work
with
staff
to
achieve
that.
A
non
glazing
option
is.
D
E
I
I
I
think
we
threw
out
the
idea
of
putting
the
film
on
the
inside
of
the
glass
because
of
the
inaccessibility
issue,
but
hearing
the
applicant
talk
about
their
their
ongoing
maintenance.
I
think
we
could
put
a
condition.
That's
saying
that
the
film
would
be
okay
unless
it
started
to
be
such
an
issue
with
the
bubbling
that
it
just
wasn't.
Working
out.
C
F
C
E
The
compromises
that
the
the
film
applied
to
the
exterior
of
the
glass
is
acceptable
pending.
How
can
I
say
this?
Appropriate
maintenance
and
appropriate
appearance
may
be
we
condition.
I,
don't
know
with
you
know
the
summer
months
coming
up,
I,
don't
know
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
how
we
can
word
this.
F
What
we
would
say
is
something
to
the
effect
that
the
applicant
shall
be
responsible
for
maintaining
the
applied
coding
in
a
safe
and
durable
state
or
something
along
those
lines,
we'll
refine
it.
But
basically
what
we're
looking
is
that
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
maintenance
and
should
they
fail
to
maintain
it,
then
it
will
either
need
to
be
removed,
replaced
or
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
another
treatment
with.
C
F
Mr.
chair,
yes
before
mr.
Millar
begins
with
the
staff
report
on
this
item,
I'd
like
to
introduce
Patrick
Tallarico
who's,
our
new
sustainability
manager.
Oh
there
he
is
Patrick
just
started
with
the
city
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
since
he
hasn't
been
here
to
Planning
Commission
before
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
him
briefly.
We
also
have
mr.
Commissioner
Friedman
from
the
sustainability
Commission,
who
is
here
and
will
be
offering
comments
under
public
comment
as
part
of
that,
but
again
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
Patrick
and
welcome
them
here.
Welcome
eggs,
happy.
N
Thank
You,
chair
and
commissioners,
we
are
waiting
for
this
TV
studio
to
allow
us
to
change
slide.
So
we
wait
for
that.
I'll
read
the
application
into
the
record,
so
this
is
an
amendment
to
the
Palm
Springs
owning
code,
to
amend
the
development
standards
for
commercial,
wind
energy
conversion
systems
or,
if
our
wex
for
short
relative
to
tower
heights
and
adjustments
to
setbacks.
This
is
case:
5.1,
4,
6,
9
ZTA.
N
So
the
application
that
or
the
amendment
that's
before
you
today
is
to
change
section
93
point
to
three
point:
zero:
seven
of
the
Palm
Spring
zoning
code
to
facilitate
repowering
of
commercial
wind
conversion
systems
or
the
wind
turbines
that
you
see
at
the
north
end
of
the
city.
So
the
revision
Willing
will
achieve
two
things:
it
increased
our
Heights
from
a
permitted
300
feet
to
maximum
500
feet
and
will
revise
I'm,
sorry
and
then
also
for
meteorological
towers.
N
The
specific
goals
of
the
general
plan
and
this
conservation
element
is
to
allow
support
energy
and
alternative
energy
uses
such
as
wind
energy,
to
encourage
green
technologies,
renewable
energy
and
related
activities
that
are
part
of
a
Development
Goals
to
attract
business
activity.
In
addition,
the
sustainability
Commission
has
passed
a
sustainability
plan
which
is
listed
in
your
staff
report,
that
is,
to
help
create
500,
clean
jobs
by
2020,
train
and
grow.
The
city's
green
workforce
supply
50%
of
all
energy,
from
renewable
resources
by
2030
and
be
a
regional
leader
in
wind
energy
systems.
N
So
the
Planning
Commission
will
review
the
repowering
project
and
in
the
past
the
city
has
looked
at
a
recent
project
called
Coachella
flats.
And
if
you
remember
that
project
several
months
ago,
it
was
taking
363
turbines
and
removing
them
to
be
replaced
with
30
turbines
at
a
greater
height.
So
to
reach
these
efficiencies,
the
the
greater
height
is
needed,
a
to
replace
the
lower
height
towers.
N
So
the
proposed
ordinance
will,
as
I
mentioned,
which
is
located
on
Table
three
of
your
staff
report.
There
this
table
shows
what
the
existing
requirement
is.
As
300
foot
tower
will
be
now:
500
foot
Tower
the
meteorological
towers,
which
are
used
to
determine
wind
direction
and
speed.
Those
will
be
increase
in
height
from
200
feet
to
330
feet
so
currently
an
applicant
we
will
is
required
to
ask
for
a
variance
from
the
commissioned
to
go
over
the
stated
heights.
This
will
no
longer
be
needed
with
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
code.
N
In
addition,
safety
setbacks
there
I'm
sorry.
There
are
several
setback
requirements
within
the
code
that
were
that
are
relative
to
safety,
setbacks,
scenic
setbacks
and
other
setbacks
relative
to
property
lines
and
transmission
lines.
But
the
revisions
of
the
code
will
focus
on
safety
setbacks
in
the
on
your
staff
report
table
page
40.5.
The
table
shows
the
safety
setbacks
which
currently
are
1.25
times
the
height
of
the
tower.
N
N
The
proposed
setbacks
are
to
be
changed
from
one
point
to
five
to
one
point
one.
So
this
would
change
a
required
height
of
625
feet
for
a
500
foot
tower
to
550
feet,
and
this
allows
the
the
wind
turbines
to
be
closer
to
these.
These
uses
that
require
this.
The
greater
setback,
such
as
transmission
lines,
lot
lines,
topography,
railroad
lines.
N
The
last
page,
that
of
the
material
that
was
handed
out
to
you
today,
one
of
the
sections
section
4-
was
not
included
in
that
draft
resolution,
so
it's
being
presented
to
you
today.
So
what
this
states
is
that,
when
a
tower
is
over
500
feet
tall,
that's
when
they'll
need
to
ask
for
a
variance.
This
was
omitted
from
the
the
draft
resolution
that
was
in
your
packet,
and
we
want
to
clarify
and
present
that
to
the
Planning
Commission.
N
N
F
O
Good
afternoon,
vice-chairman
rootsy
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
David
Friedman
I
am
a
member
of
the
sustainability
Commission
and
the
Standing
Committee
on
solar
and
Green
Building
and
I
work
with
your
staff
and
office
of
sustainability
staff.
Mr.
Richard
Keller
Eco
on
the
draft
wind
energy
conversion
system
ordinance.
That's
before
you
this
afternoon,
the
sustainability
Commission
approved
the
draft
ordinance
at
our
meeting
of
February
19th
and
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
our
Commission,
to
ask
you
to
do
the
same
and
AB
recommend
approval
by
City
Council.
As
set
out
in
your
staff
report.
O
There
have
been
substantial
technological
advances
within
wind
turbines
over
the
past
30
years,
both
the
existing
wind
turbines
and
the
zoning
code.
Provisions
that
regulate
their
height
and
setbacks
are
time-worn
and
in
need
of
an
update.
The
draft
ordinance
has
just
mentioned:
increases
the
maximum
turbine
height
from
300
to
500
feet
and
the
maximum
height
of
meteorological
towers,
from
200
to
330
feet,
which
is
roughly
100
meters.
It
also
adjust
certain
setback
requirements.
O
The
ordinance
is
consistent
with
your
approval
at
the
January
23rd
meeting
of
the
Coachella
flats
project,
which
removed
363
aging,
an
inefficient
wind
turbines
replaced
by
20
towers,
with
a
maximum
height
of
499
feet
and
2
metrological
towers
of
315
feet
tall.
It
is
also
consistent
with
the
county's
turbine
standards,
height
height
turbine
height
standards,
as
just
mr.
melaka
just
mentioned.
The
draft
ordinance
does
help
the
city
in
achieving
at
planning
and
sustainability
goals
set
forth
in
the
general
plan.
The
sustainability
plan
the
council
approved
in
2016.
O
In
addition,
as
the
city
works
with
seabag
for
the
of
the
desert,
Community
Energy
Community
Choice
aggregation
program
facilitating
new
wind
projects
will
provide
locally
produced
energy
to
power,
a
100
percent,
carbon-free
electricity
option
for
Palm
Springs
residents
and
demonstrate
the
city's
role
as
a
regional
leader.
I
wish
to
stress
that
this
ordinance
has
not
changed
the
process
for
your
approval
of
wind
energy
conversion
systems.
They
will
so
be
subject
to
all
federal
and
state
environmental
review
standards
in
particular
sequa,
and
you
still
must
grant
them
a
conditional
use
permit
set
out
in
the
slide.
O
B
During
the
office
for
the
city
and
I
would
just
confirm
what
Commissioner
Friedman
reported
and
reaffirmed
that
the
Commission
supported
this
unanimously,
and
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
from
an
environmental
perspective
due
to
the
efficiencies
that
are
gained
by
the
additional
height
of
the
turbines.
In
addition,
I
think,
since
the
developments
will
still
have
to
go
through
a
further
review
process,
any
time
they
are
proposed,
then
we
were
comfortable
pushing
forward
with
what
the
proposed
changes.
So
thank.
A
A
We
were
very
concerned
about
setbacks
and
I,
don't
generally
from
a
planning
perspective.
You
find
that
the
larger
structure,
the
longer
the
setback,
the
greater
the
setback
here,
we're
building
500
feet
to
the
blade
towers
and
were
shortening
the
setback
requirements
for
safety
reasons,
which
really
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me.
Can
you
explain
to
me
why
you're
shortening
the
setbacks
when
you're
increasing
the
height
so.
N
If
we
look
at
this
slide,
that's
before
us
you'll,
this
was
from
the
coachella
flats
proposal
and
out
in
the
desert
area.
There
are
some
oddly
shaped
Lots
that
restrict
development,
so
the
safety
setbacks
are
in
case
there's
a
failure
of
the
tower,
so
it
falls
in
an
earthquake
or
the
wind
or
one
of
the
rotors
comes
off
and
which
rarely
happens
because
of
the
technology
of
the
of
the
structures
themselves.
N
F
F
A
O
Actually
look
at
this
and
the
1.1
does
seem
to
be
the
standard
that
seems
to
be
I,
looked
in
pretty
killer
in
California,
but
also
some
of
the
Upper
Midwest
states
that
are
looking
at
this
Wisconsin
Minnesota
I
think
and
they
seem
to
be
adopting
the
1.1.
So
that
does
seem
to
be
at
least
the
industry
standard.
I,
don't
know
whether
the
county
has
that
as
well,
but
that
does
seem
to
be
now
the
industry
standard.
For
for
that,
just
because
the
way
the
towers
are,
you
know
technologically
possible.
O
The
1.1
seems
to
be
the
appropriate
standard,
I
believe
in
the
Coachella
Valley
Coachella
flats,
one
that
was
reduced
to
fairly
small
ones,
I'm,
including
I,
think
as
low
as
64.
So
this
sort
of
provides
a
little
bit
of
headroom
to
not
have
necessarily
require
a
variance
in
those
cases,
but
the
1.1
does
seem
to
be
the
industry
standard
or,
more
accurately,
the
standard
that
governments
are
adopting
reflecting
new
industry
technology.
Thank.
F
What
we're
finding
that,
if
we
approve
variances
every
time
for
a
wind
energy
tower
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
our
code
and
adapt
it
to
current
standards,
it's
difficult
to
make
the
findings
that
the
property
is
unique
when
we've
granted
similar
findings
to
a
number
of
other
towers,
and
so
again
it
just
demonstrates
that
our
code
is
out
of
date
and
we
need
to
update
it.
My.
A
Last
question
has
to
do
with
environmental
protection.
As
you
recall.
In
the
last
case,
we
had
weather
where
there
are
first
hours
of
his
height.
There
was
a
sequel
report,
obviously
which
pointed
out
certain
natural
resources
being
affected
by
the
towers,
but
we
had
to
work
very
carefully
with
the
applicant
to
provide
a
mechanism
whereby
there
was
an
ongoing,
monitor,
process
monitoring
process
and
a
check
with
respect
to
anything.
A
Gonna
be
happening
to
species
out
in
the
fields
and,
although
I
know
the
sequel
thing,
the
secret
report
will
point
out
exactly
what
those
environmental
considerations
ought
to
be
and
how
to
best
mitigate
them.
I
wonder
if
the
ordinance
could
not,
however,
provide
something
that
would
require
that
a
mitigation
plan
similar
to
the
one
that
we
we
crafted
with
the
last
application,
be
built
into
any
any
approvals
with
respect
to
these
towers.
A
I'm
not
suggesting
that
there
be
a
specific
plan
here,
because
each
proposal
is
going
to
be
slightly
different,
but
there
was
really
no
requirement
that
we
really
make
the
applicant
responsible
for
an
ongoing
monitoring
situation,
and
so
those
were
conditions
that
we
attached
to
the
applications
approval
and
it
seems
to
me
if
the
ordinance
would
have
something
that
would
empower
the
Planning
Commission
to
require
the
applicant
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
a
mitigation
plan.
Maybe
mitigation
is
not
the
right
word.
B
Mr.
chair
vice
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
a
lot
of
that
generally
gets
handled
with
sequa
analysis
anyway,
particularly
if
you're
doing
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration
or
a
dir,
because
you're
gonna
have
mitigation
monitoring
requirements
in
there.
That
will
be
ongoing
with
the
project.
That
being
said,
if
the
Commission
wants
to
put
a
condition
where
it's
on
it's
going
to
be
supervised
on
an
ongoing
basis,
either
by
staff
or
the
Planning
Commission,
we
could
consider
putting
something
like
that
in
the
ordinance,
but
I
think
on
a
project
specific
basis.
A
F
Think
the
issue
was
making
clear
in
terms
of
the
mitigation
monitoring
that
that
was
done
on
an
ongoing
basis,
keep
in
mind
that
each
of
these
will
still
require
conditional
use
permit
and
you,
as
planning
commissioners,
can
attach
conditions
of
approval
to
the
conditional
use
permit
to
address
any
concerns
or
impacts
relative
to
that.
What
we
might
do,
perhaps
and
I'll
look
to
our
city
attorney-
is
that
in
the
language
of
the
ordinance
itself,
we
might
say
something
to
the
effect
that,
based
on
environmental
review
mitigation
measures
may
be
required
to
be
implemented
and
and.
B
Yeah,
so
we
can
keep
it
very
general
there
and
then
on
a
project
specific
basis
through
the
CEP
through
the
sequel
analysis,
if
you've
got
a
project
where
sequences
seems
to
be
hitting
on
all
cylinders
and
everything
is
covered,
maybe
there
won't
be
a
need
for
an
additional
condition
of
approval
there.
On
the
other
hand,
if
there
seemed
to
be
gaps,
the
Commission
could
fill
it
based
on
that
project.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
You
chair
I'd,
like
to
refer
to
page
3
of
5
of
the
staff
report
pertaining
to
setbacks.
It
states
the
current
section
here,
I'd
like
to
refer
to
like
item
C,
sub,
C
and
I'll.
Read
it
basically
because
I
think
the
intent
is
something
that
needs
to
be
updated.
Certainly,
it
says
no
commercial.
What
commercial
wex
shall
be
located
where
the
center
of
the
tower
is
within
a
distance
of
1.25
times
the
total
website
from
any
lot
line.
E
No
commercial
web
shall
be
located
where
the
center
of
the
tower
is
is
within
200
feet
of
any
from
any
lot
line
of
a
which
contains
a
dwelling
and
I
think
that
the
goal
here
was
to
make
the
setback
greater
to
lots
lot
lines
which
contain
a
dwelling.
So
I
just
would
like
to
make
sure
that
end
of
the
discussion
and
in
the
updates
that
that
number
is
updated
or
different
multipliers
used
to
have
a
greater
setbacks.
Greater
setback
to
a
lot
adjacent
lot,
which
contains
a
dwelling
Dennis.
O
I
can
address
that
question.
Actually
it's
not
reflected
in
the
resolution,
but
it
is
in
the
ordinance
if
you
sort
of
let
me
go
to
the
right
page
of
the
staff
report.
As
is
often
the
case,
there
are
minor
inconsistencies
between
the
zoning
code
in
the
general
plan.
The
general
plan
on
that
specific
provision
says
500
feet
as
opposed
to
200
feet,
so
in
the
ordinance
being
the
Thoreau
guy
who
reads
the
general
plan,
I
told
us
that
and
I
updated
that
setback
to
be
at
least
the
greater
of
500
feet
or
a
1.1.
O
So
if
you
look
at
page
7
of
the
ordinance
and
whether
that's
the
page,
that's
also
the
staff
report
that
it's
labeled
7
on
the
ordinance.
Yes,
so
that's
page
7
on
the
ordinance,
so
it's
probably
about
page
10
or
11
of
the
staff
report,
so
this
is
actually
in
the
ordinance.
The
way
I
drafted
it
not
reflected
in
the
resolution
is
3
see
towards
the
bottom
of
that
page.
No
commercial
work
shall
be
located
where
the
center
of
the
tower
is
within
distance.
O
At
one
point,
one
is
discussed
of
total
website
from
and
a
lot
line,
and
then
it
says
no
commercial
work
shall
be
locate
where
the
center
of
the
tower
is
within
500
feet
from
any
lot
line
of
a
lot
which
contains
a
dwelling.
If
this
distance
is
more
than
1.1
times
the
total
of
web
sites,
so
I
did
adjust
the
ordinance
to
reflect
the
the
general
plan,
which
is
actually
500
feet
on
this
one
and
actually
would
be
greater
than
that
because
you
still
have
the
1.1.
O
N
O
O
J
O
J
There
was
a
big
discussion
when
we
approved
the
last.
The
Coachella
flats
project
around
avian
safety
and
I
was
wondering
as
a
sustainability
manager
or
as
the
member
of
the
Commission
was
that
address,
because
we
were,
we
were
a
little
I
mean
we're
not
experts,
we're
not
a
V
and
experts
and
and
maybe
you're
not
either,
but
was
that
addressed
when
you
were
looking
at
these
changes?
No.
O
For
the
simple
reason
this,
because
it
is
I
mean
if
you
Corps
call
from
the
Coachella
flats
there's
you
know
literally
like
a
hundred
serve
couple
hundred
pages
of
various
mnd.
You
know
cqm
aterial,
so
we
were
relying
on
on
the
sequel
process.
The
the
challenge
is,
as
we
see
and
you've
probably
been
reading
about.
This
is
that
we
have
various
state
standards
that
are
requiring
renewable
energy,
their
environmental,
we're
trying
to
balance
them.
O
Knowing
that
the
state
has
set
a
goal
for
renewable
energy,
we
are
lucky
blessed
here
in
Palm
Springs
to
have
the
almost
the
perfect
location
for
that
with
our
wind
some.
So
we're
really
been
relying
on
that.
So
we
didn't
specifically
address
that.
Having
considered
that
and
read
in
detail
this
and
some
other
materials
sort
of
relying
on
sequa
the
sequel
process
and
any
other
mitigation
that
you
may
require,
as
part
of
your
CU
p,
to
deal
with
that
issue
on
a
project-by-project
basis,.
B
J
We're
just
looking
for
some
I
was
just
looking
for
a
guide
in
this
cuz.
Like
you,
we
heard
pluses
and
minuses
whatever
sitting
up
here
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
reached
any
sort
of
definitive
conclusion
as
to
the
impact
on
the
bird
population.
Now
we
did
not
look
at
today.
Thank
you,
I
have
I,
think
I
have
one
more.
Oh,
this
is
just
a
general
question
and
maybe
the
sustainability
manager
can
answer
it
or
the
commissioner.
O
He
it's
because
it's
sort
of
like
a
blade
of
a
motor
on
a
ship,
the
the
bigger
the
thing,
the
more
the
more
efficient
it's
going
to
be,
the
more
the
faster
the
turbine
could
potentially
spin
generating
more
energy.
So
that's
where
the
it
catches
more
wind.
It
can
spin
faster
and
stronger.
Therefore,
it's
going
to
turn
the
turbine
faster.
That's
really
the
advantage
of
the
light,
because
it
has
the
additional
surface
facing
the
wind,
so
it
gets.
The
turbine
to
tim
turn
faster
spinning
around
generating
more
more.
O
O
The
the
sort
of
the
force
on
the
turbine
is
going
to
be
stronger,
so
that's
where
they
get
to
be
more
efficient,
because
it's
more
exposed
to
the
wind
and
also
the
in
particular,
is
the
wind
is
going
to
vary
the
larger
surface
because
it
has
more
exposure,
could
potentially
pick
up
a
wind,
that's
not
of
the
same
speed
a
lower
speed,
because
it's
just
more
it
will
pick
more
of
that's
that's
one
of
the
the
efficiency
aspects
of
just
the
additional
surface.
Thanks.
J
N
D
So
the
the
possibility
that
the
blades
will
be
larger
in
radius
than
150
feet.
Do
you
know
if
the
technology
is
going
with,
because
I
think
to
have
the
ordinance
and
I
understand
the
efficiency,
but
not
to
put
a
limit
on
the
diameter
or
the
radius
then
locks
us
in
to
accept
any
kind
of
blade
distance.
So,
if
we're
considering
this
I
think
we
should
also
consider
caveat
to
this.
What
is
the
maximum
blade
distance
that
we
would
be
allowing
if.
F
F
N
E
Of
a
question
then
we're
setting
a
maximum
now,
but
this
is
an
increase
about
over
over
what
the
industry
used
to
have.
I
was
wondering
if
there
is
any
any
expert
in
the
room
here.
That
is,
is
the
future
going
to
lead
to
even
taller
structures
and
the
same
argument
argument
about
more
efficiency?
Do
you
know
if
that's
the
case,
the.
O
Answer
is
yes,
the
technology
is
there.
The
500
feet
is
the
maximum.
Before
you
have
to
get
into
FAA
approval.
These
things
are
directly
on
the
flight
plan
for
the
airport.
I
think
that
500
feet
there's
a
reason
why
Coachella
Fela
flats
was
499
feet.
They
wanted
to
get
literally
12
inches
under
the
FAA
approval,
and
you
know
I
can't
say
what
the
FAA
would
do,
but
it
just
seems
very
unlikely
there.
O
So
in
other
places
that
aren't
necessarily
in
the
the
flight
paths,
certainly
I've
been
doing
a
lot
of
reading
about
offshore
wind
and
those
the
technology
is
definitely
there.
I
think
that
we're
talking
about
the
500
feet
is
is
as
big
as
you're
gonna
see
here
in
Palm
Springs,
because
of
that
FAA,
and
presumably
that's
why
the
county
has
that
standard
as
well,
and
the
ia
just
seems
unlikely
that
you
would
see
a
request
beyond
500
feet
because
of
the
FAA
standard.
Thank.
C
You
other
persons,
some
staff
I've,
seen
none.
It
appears
that
the
applicant
already
has
presented.
Is
that
correct?
So
we
can
move
on
to
public
comment,
so
anyone
from
the
audience
yeah
there,
because
please,
your
name
and
your
address.
G
Sorry
hi,
my
name
is
Joan
Taylor
I'm,
representing
the
Sierra
Club
1850
smoke
trail
in
Palm,
Springs
and
I
want
to
say
right
off
the
bat
that
I'm
very
impressed
by
the
level
of
discussion
here
at
this
body
and
also
the
the
level
of
mitigation
and
an
analysis
you
did
on
the
quia,
the
Coachella
Flats.
It
was
very
superior
to
a
county
review
of
a
similar
free
power.
G
Some
of
the
wee
powers
do
take
place
on
areas
that
have
other
habitats
that
need
to
be
protected,
but
just
thinking
about
birds
and
bats
I'm,
a
little
confused
I'm
hearing
that
a
Cu
P
would
be
definitely
required
for
these
power,
three
powers
that
are
500
feet
or
less,
even
though
they
have
a
right
to
go
up
to
that
height.
I
would
like
to
if
I
could
be
directed
to
where
I
could
see
that
in
writing.
G
G
Think,
in
our
request
is
that
there
be
verification
that
there
would
be
the
full
kind
of
environmental
review
that
the
Coachella
flats
project
was
given
and
that
the
wildlife
agencies
and
the
public
would
be
notified
and
given
the
opportunity
to
make
comment,
we
consider
the
wildlife
agencies,
the
experts
in
these
matters
and
and
their
input.
We
strongly
support
and
we're
glad
to
see
the
city.
Likewise,
you
know
paying
attention
to
it
and
that
these
projects
be
have
to
avoid
minimize
and
mitigate
the
full
extent
in
required.
Under
sequa.
C
G
G
C
A
All
right,
mr.
Mersey
I,
just
I,
know
we're
done
at
we're
not
generally
inclined
to
have
a
discussion
with
the
public
commenter,
but
in
response
to
the
Sierra
Club's
concerned,
I
believe
it
was
already
stated
by
staff
that
all
of
the
normal
protections
for
the
environment
that
are
in
place
with
respect
to
projects
like
the
Coachella
Flats
project
will
be
in
place
with
respect
to
all
future
projects
that
this
ordinance
is
in
no
way
circumventing
any
of
those
environmental
protection
requirements,
including
sequa
and
monitoring,
and
whatever
else
and
the
CEOP.
Obviously,
that's
required
right.
C
A
D
Plan
and
edit
14
since
you,
since
you're
here
and
I,
see
this
exhibit
I.
Think
the
question
is
number
one.
Where
you
see
the
yellow
circles
are
what
was
proposed
on
the
previous
project
that
was
approved
and
sorry
and
number
two
is
that
the
applicant
in
this
case
financially
equated
for
them
to
build
only
you
know,
20
or
so
or
30
of
them
in
this
situation.
D
So
when
I
see
the
three
rows
of
of
turbines,
the
one
closer
to
the
property
line
is
there
seems
to
be
a
sort
of
a
continuous
there's
more
on
the
first
two
rows
and
on
the
next
row
over
in
in
a
situation.
If
they
were
to
follow
this
new
ordinance
and
they
had
the
financial
capacity,
they
could
have
filled
up
a
lot
more
on
this
side.
I
That
is
not
necessarily
so
part
of
the
reason.
So
initially,
when
this
applicant
came
to
the
city,
they
were
proposing
25
turbines
as
opposed
to
20
to
20,
but
in
the
process
of
FAA
review
they
had
to
reduce
the
number
of
turbines
because
of
the
height.
So
that
also
has
something
to
do
it,
not
just
because
of
the
height,
not
just
because
of
the
sheer
size
of
the
proposal
about
because,
as.
I
They
asked
mr.
Freeman
mentioned
earlier
on:
FAA
does
have
a
different
specific
set
of
requirements
that
they
have
to
meet
because
of
the
flight
pattern
that
goes
across
this
area,
so
they
had
to
reduce
the
number
of
of
turbines.
So
there
is
a
lot
more
than
just
the
height
or
the
sheer
size
of
the
property
that
determines
the
number
of
turbines
because
of
the
height
that
could
be
located
at
any
location
in.
D
I
D
J
I
I
Yeah,
if
you
recall
so
there
are
some
mitigation
measures
that
you
wanted
to
modify
because
they
met
the
requirement
for
those
two
mitigation
measures.
So
you
altered
that
and
then
you
also
made
them
responsible
for
the
monitoring
process
entering
of
the
of
the
project
in
case
of
broad
accident
right.
J
J
I
One
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
is
that
for
the
commissioners
that
I
have
been
here
for
a
little
longer,
this
is
about
the
Coachella
flat
would
be
in
the
most
recent
years
would
be
the
third
wax
project
that
will
come
before
you.
Sometimes
they
are
different,
depending
on
the
specific
specifications
of
those
wax.
So,
for
instance,
the
one
that
you
had
before
the
wkn
before
Coachella
flash
was
not
as
tall
as
these.
Those
were
under
400
feet.
Therefore,
the
condition,
the
specific
conditions
relative
to
those
works.
We
are
different
than
the
Coachella
flats.
A
Point
out
to
mr.
Hirsh
pine
that
we
had
this
dialogue
with
mr.
Flynn
and
mr.
priest,
and
we
agreed
that
each
project
was
different
so
that
the
ordinance
itself
had
to
be
more
general
in
terms.
But
we
are
going
to
put
in
a
provision
that
the
the
Planning
Commission
can
require
certain
mitigation
and
other
measures
to
meet
the
particular
needs.
Environmental
needs
and
protection
of
that
particular
site.
Because,
like
any
project,
we
quit
putting
it
in
the
ordinance
would
really
restrict
us
in
terms
of
each
project
will
have
its
own
eccentricities
right.
J
J
J
We
required
this
one
applicant
to
comply
with
wildlife
agency
and
comments
or
conditions
and
and
I,
don't
see
why
that
would
be
burdensome
because
the
conditions
are
going
to
change
based
on
the
on
the
each
particular
site
and
and
the
monitoring
of
the
birds
seems
like
it's
just
you'd
have
that
issue
at
a
certain
height,
regardless
of
a
lot
of
other
variables.
Okay,.
F
Mr.
vice
chair,
if
I,
can
respond
to
that,
there's
in
section
16
of
the
ordinance,
the
monitoring
section
I'm
on
page
12
and
not
in
the
new
version-
I'm
sorry
I-
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me,
but
in
your
staff
report
that
came
in
your
packets
in
terms
of
monitoring,
there's
already
language
there
in
terms
of
reporting
all
dead
birds
found
within
500
feet
of
the
wax
there's
some
other
language
there
in
the
mitigation
measures
and
that
ongoing
monitoring
may
be
required.
So
I
think
in
the
ordinance
itself.
F
There's
already
some
pretty
substantial
language
about
those
types
of
things,
keep
in
mind
that
sequa
changes
very
little
from
year
to
year.
So
as
an
environmental
review
is
performed
where
there
are
things
such
as
the
multiple
species,
habitat
conservation
plan
and
things
like
that,
those
will
always
be
included
in
terms
of
the
mitigation
measures.
So
let
sequa
do
that.
We
have
language
under
the
monitoring
section
which
addresses.
F
J
B
F
G
G
C
G
Would
be
fairly
common
and
accepted?
You
know
requirements
but
they're
they're,
just
specific
to
them
to
the
met
towers
and
not
to
well.
For
instance,
Coachella
flat
was
next
to
a
place.
It
has
water
in
it
from
time
to
time,
standing
water
would
draw
vats
and
so
forth,
so
bats
would
be
more
of
an
issue
for
it.
So
it's
hard
to
write
something
that
would
cover
that
I
think
language
that
does
recommend
complying
with
wildlife
agency
recommendations.
That
kind
of
thing
would
be
good
to
have
so.
C
C
F
Were
two
conditions
that
were
recommended
by
commissioners
donenfeld
and
Hirsch?
Mind
Commissioner
Donna
Feld's
recommendation
was
something
along
the
lines
that
mitigation
measures
may
be
implemented
and
monitored
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
address
potential
impacts
of
the
wex
towers,
and
then
the
second
one
was
that
we
would
have
language
that
comments
on
the
environmental
review
provided
by
wildlife.
Agencies
may
be
incorporated
as
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval
and
mitigation
measures
of
the
project.
So
those
were
the
two
conditions
that
were
imposed
or
has
suggested
to
be
imposed
by
the
Planning
Commission
members.
Any.
E
Like
to
go
back
to
the
set
back
to
property
lines,
properties
which
contain
residential
uses
I'm
just
not
comfortable
with
the
dimension,
that's
being
positive,
I
think
we
need
to
have
something
which
makes
that
dimensional
setback
greater
we're
talking
about
something,
a
structure
which
is
basically
as
tall
as
a
50-story
building.
That's
a
pretty
significant
thing
to
have
adjacent
to
a
residential
property
and
put
it
out.
There
is
a
discussion
item
but
I.
Let.
E
P
F
O
He
didn't
propose
this
was
just
sort
of
a
general
reduced
1.25
to
1.1
and
fix
the
inconsistency
between
the
general
plan
and
500
and
the
text
of
the
existing
ordinance.
So
this
was
not
something
that
we
have
any
and
in
real.
The
whole
discussion
about
the
environmental
mitigation
is
not
something
we
focused
on
and
largely
the
reason
for
that
is
that
I.
O
Although
I
wasn't
here
at
the
the
January
23rd
meeting,
I
relied
on
the
staff
report
and
literally
hundreds
of
pages
of
the
materials
and
in
particular
the
conditions
of
approval
that
you
did
and
it
struck
me
as
saying.
Well,
we
don't
need
to
necessarily
change
the
ordinance,
although
I
clearly
understand
exactly
why
you
do
want
to
bake
that
into
the
ordinance.
O
But
the
procedure
that
you
used
and
the
conditions
that
used
on
the
January
23rd
Coachella
flats
struck
me
as
being
a
very
appropriate
paradigm
for
resolving
and
trying
to
balance
the
competing
interests
of
more
energy,
but
also
understanding
the
environmental
concerns.
So
I
would
certainly,
as
person
who
wrote
this
I
did
not
propose
any
any
change
to
that
standard.
Right.
N
C
I
I
Def
port,
please
good
afternoon
mr.
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
so
in
2016,
the
mural
on
our
development,
ok
to
the
Planning
Commission,
to
amend
the
project,
our
as
he
was
previously
approved
in
2004,
and
during
that
amendment,
series
of
conditions
were
proposed
by
the
Planning
Commission.
One
of
those
conditions
was
pc,
19
and
pc
19
required
that
window
frame
material
shall
be
restricted
to
limit
on
frames
only
at
the
maryland
development.
I
So,
but
following
that
approval
and
following
the
submitter
loves
finite
development
plans
for
the
project
we've
had
numerous
requests
and
from
the
applicants
and
from
the
ownership
of
Maryland
development
of
the
issues
they
were
being
faced
by.
That
condition,
as
a
result
will
receive
a
request
from
the
ownership
of
Maryland
asking
the
Planning
Commission
to
amend
that
conditions
to
allow
them
to
use
vinyl
frames
as
opposed
to
aluminum
frames.
Only
so
this
is
a
final
development
approval
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
allowed
to
make
a
minor
amendments
to.
I
They
have
used
vinyl
frame
windows
and
the
applicant
fills
that
the
Planning
Commission
issue
on
that
business.
Reconsider
that
condition
of
approval,
also
in
the
staff
report.
There
are
two
types
of
resolutions
here
in
that
staff
is
making
to
a
recommendation
that
number
one
you
may
decide
to
remove
that
condition
and
allow
development
in
the
mirror
alone
to
use
other
types
of
materials
or
you
may
choose,
as
an
alternative
choose
to
have
that
condition
remain
as
it
is.
I
During
the
course
of
the
week
there
are
questions
received
from
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
for
additional
analysis
or
information
regarding
the
use
of
vinyl
frame.
The
applicant
is
here
to
make
additional
presentation
to
you
in
addition
to
the
analysis
contained
in
your
staff
report,
so
that
will
conclude
the
my
staff
report,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
the
applicants
are
here
to
make
additional
presentations
to
you
and
to
answer
additional
questions
that
you
may
have
relative
to
that
condition:
pc
19.
Thank
you,
sir
questions
for
staff.
M
M
I
I
M
C
K
Bradshaw
card
with
freehold
communities
on
behalf
of
the
mural
on
development
I
won't
take
too
much
of
your
time
to
address
the
question
that
Edward
just
discussed.
Yes,
it's
my
recollection
and
I
would
think
this
body
would
agree
that
this
was
largely
an
aesthetic
decision
that
was
made
back
in
2016,
and
it's
it's
it's
understandable
and
as
much
as
these
are
modern
homes.
K
We're
going
for
an
authentic
aesthetic,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
there
are
also
other
similar,
modern
developments
that
are
currently
using
vinyl
windows
and
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
that
we've
got
is
I.
Think
summarized
in
this
table
here.
If
you're,
comparing
nonmetal
windows
to
metal
windows.
First
and
foremost,
you
know
the
metal
windows
do
provide
a
modern,
aesthetic,
undoubtedly,
but
there
are
similar
products
or
there
are
vinyl
products
that
offer
similar
aesthetics
and
we've
actually
got.
Some
samples
here
will
circulate.
As
we
conclude
this
discussion.
K
A
bigger
concern
of,
however,
is,
is
energy
efficiency,
so
Merlin
prides
itself
on
being
an
energy-efficient
master-planned
community
I
mean
if
you
look
at
our
Clubhouse,
it's
designed
to
be
15%
better
than
title
24
requirements.
We've
got
rooftop
solar
on
every
residential
unit,
that'll
be
developed.
We
specifically
designed
the
landscape
palate
to
be
water,
conscious
and
water
conservative
as
compared
to
the
original
Golf
Course,
which
is
how
we
ended
up
with
rows
of
olives
and
and,
quite
frankly,
using
aluminum
framed
windows
kind
of
flies
in
the
face
of
that
they
are
inherently
less
energy
efficient.
K
Now
you
can
get
low
e
aluminum
windows
that
improve
upon
that,
but
they're
still
never
going
to
get
to
vinyl,
there's
still
about
a
9%
in
efficiency,
and
you
know.
The
other
point
to
make
here
is
something
that's
net
new
to
us.
One
of
our
builders
would
be
specific
actually
as
their
plans
nearly
finalized
through
the
city.
You've
approved
their
architecture
and
the
actual
design
drawings
are
very
near
completion
and
so
they're.
K
The
point
where
they're
starting
to
bid
out
this
work
to
start
the
construction
process
and
they
have
a
window
broker
that
they
work
with.
Who
actually
has
a
representative
here
who
can
talk
about
some
of
the
technical
details,
but
they
chose
a
luminol
framed
window
to
install
in
these
homes.
Again.
This
is
architecture
that
you've
blessed.
This
body
has
blessed.
The
a/c
has
blessed
and
worked
very
hard
in
order
to
do
so.
These
are
large
window
openings
large
sliders
in
this
Inn
near
the
location.
K
That
marathon
sits
is,
we
all
know,
a
very
windy
environment,
and
it
just
so
happens
that
aluminum
frame
windows
because
indoors
that
they,
because
they
need
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible,
they
had
need
to
be
thermally,
broken
and
in
inserting
that
thermal
braking
and
again.
This
is
where
my
expertise,
falters,
because
I
really
don't
know
what
that
means
that
I'm
regurgitated
ear.
K
It
actually
weakens
the
integrity
of
the
aluminum
frame,
as
opposed
to
vinyl
word.
That's
not
true.
You
can
actually
get
a
completely
extruded
product
and
it
has
all
the
thermal
protections
necessary
and
the
manufacturer
that
they
went
to
actually
said
they
will
not
supply
when
metal
frame
windows
for
the
house
as
designed.
So
it's
not
only
lacking
a
limited
availability.
It
may
be
no
availability
based
on
the
architecture.
That's
been
approved
for
these
homes
and
in
many
instances
given
the
location
of
the
property,
the
other
is
pearlies
fairly
self-explanatory.
K
Not
only
is
this
a
larger
burden
on
the
Builder,
but
it's
a
larger
burden
on
the
ultimate
homeowner,
so
energy
costs
go
up.
That
means
higher
bills.
That
means
you
know
it's
just
a
greater
burden
overall
and
then
the
last
piece
here
is
this
cost
effective
solution
versus
an
expensive
solution.
Now,
I
I
know
that
it
may
not
be
the
biggest
concern
of
this
body
about
how
much
these
facilities
cost
the
builders.
K
But
you
know
we
have
designed
Maryland
specifically
to
be
a
high
quality
master
plan,
it's
energy-conscious
and
also
relatively
affordable
as
compared
to
other
developments
in
town,
especially
further
south
in
town.
And
if
you
look
at
the
cost
of
these
systems,
I
mean
there
are
a
factor
of
two
or
three
and
it's
very
difficult
to
then
build
an
affordable
home
and
install
these
windows
when,
quite
frankly,
you're
not
getting
your
bang
for
your
buck.
K
There
I
mean
if,
if
a
builder
wants
to
install
$20,000
worth
of
extras,
that's
that's
probably
better
put
towards
upgraded
pools,
upgraded
cabinetry
things
that
people
enjoy
on
a
daily
basis,
not
just
something
that
they
take
for
granted.
So
for
all
those
reasons,
we're
asking
that
this
condition
be
waived
and
I'm
happy
to
bring
up
these
samples.
I'll
note
that
this
is
just
a
it's,
not
an
actual
window,
but
this
is
a
laminated
laminated
product
I
know
there
was
a
concern
about
durability
and
paint
ability.
Some
windows
are
painted.
K
In
fact,
we
have
some
samples
that
are
painted,
but
this
is
a
material
that's
actually
sort
of
baked
on,
and
you
know
it
would.
It
would
hold
up
well
given
the
climactic
conditions
here
and
they're,
also
extruded
varieties
of
vinyl
windows,
where
the
colors
actually
in
the
plastic
itself,
so
I'll
swing
those
around
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
C
K
Be
perfectly
frank:
if
you're
asking
for
my
opinion,
I
can't
tell
the
difference
either.
I
literally
had
to
go
up
to
because
we
were
doing
a
survey
around
town
of
who's
using
he
was
using
metal
versus
vinyl
and
I
had
to
physically
go
up
and
tap
on
the
window
frames
before
I
could
tell
whether
it
was
metal
or
vinyl
so
and
and,
as
you
can
see,
especially
the
silver
one,
which
is
a
window
system,
that's
being
used
currently
at
Sky.
K
C
K
C
F
F
D
D
And
then,
when
you're,
comparing
it
to
the
other
type
of
window
frame,
for
example,
the
milk
are
aluminum
your
you
value
that
you're
using
is
0.68
and
a
shading
coefficient
of
0.5.
So
those
are
not
equal
values,
and
so
could
you
explain
why
you
were
not
using
equal
properties
when
you
were
looking
at
different
frames?
Yes,.
G
P
Non
metal
yeah
so
to
look
at
the
table,
you
have
it
in
front
of
you
yep.
The
first
line
is
the
standard
reference
house.
That's
a
prescriptive
title,
24
standard
that
the
California
Energy
Commission
sets.
Alright,
we
have
to
do
a
side-by-side
analysis
of
our
house
in
that
house
and
if
we
use
less
energy
than
the
prescriptive
house,
we
meet
the
energy
code.
D
P
Ours
actually
had
0.3
one,
you
factor,
that's
the
conductivity,
that's
a
rate
of
heat
transfer
into
the
house.
In
the
middle
of
the
summer.
You
can
see
it's
very
close
to
the
prescriptive
standard
with
the
vinyl
product
and
the
solar
heat
gain
coefficient
we
chose
was
0.29,
that's
a
product
that
gallery
homes,
one
of
the
builders
on
this
project
commonly
uses
in
the
Coachella
Valley.
P
So
we
modelled
that
we
got
it
to
comply,
meet
the
energy
code
and
the
energy
use
is
shown
in
that
table.
Estimated
utility
costs
were
roughly
thirteen
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
there.
But
when
we
put
in
a
builder
aluminum
product,
you
can
see
the
conductivity
goes
up
to
0.68
double
the
prescriptive
standard.
Solar
heat
gain
coefficients
also
higher,
and
that's
where
we
got
the
28%
higher
energy
use
for
the
house.
So.
D
P
B
P
D
P
P
B
M
D
M
M
M
D
C
J
K
Icon,
here's
Sol
was
just
mentioned,
but
this
jeld-wen
premium
vinyl
series:
that's
that's
the
one
on
the
right
there
and
then
this
wind
door
is
a
local,
a
national
manufacturer
and
that's
the
the
window
on
the
left.
So
you
know
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
this
body
recommends
if
this
is
the
preferred
option,
wind
or
or
comparable.
D
D
K
Q
J
D
Gonna
factory
paint
it
so
that
it
matches
to
a
clear
anodized
look
from
the
outside
on
the
inside
frame
the
sash
on
the
inside
frame.
Would
you
have
that
to
be
white
as
you're
showing
us
in
the
example,
or
will
that
also
match
the
clear
anodized
on
the
outside,
because
you
sort
of
are
saying
to
the
homeowner
hey?
This
is
still
the
aluminum
look,
but
a
different
product.
D
Q
Not
sure
that
you
can
do
the
color,
both
aunts
out
and
on
the
inside
I'm,
going
to
refer
to
the
one
in
the
factory,
because
we're
not
currently
doing
that
on
any
of
our
desert
homes
we're
using
a
tan
which
is
through
the
whole
you
know
inside
and
out,
because
it's
an
extruded
product
but
I'm
gonna.
Let
Bailey
answer
that,
but
I
do
have
a
couple.
Other
follow-ups
I
would
like
to
share
with
you
on
the
window.
Vinyl
versus
the
metal
from
a
builders
perspective
also.
M
As
far
as
the
vinyl,
if
you
have
silver
bronze
black,
whatever
color
they
decide
to
choose
on
the
exterior,
the
white
needs
to
remain
on
the
inside.
You
cannot
paint
the
inside
main
reason
being
is
that
in
order
for
the
window
to
maintain
being
heat
resistant,
you
have
to
let
it
breathe
through.
So,
if
you
paint
the
inside,
when
the
window
starts
absorbing
and
starts
to
reflect
the
heat,
that's
actually
not
going
to,
let
it
help
reflect
it.
It's
actually
start
absorbing
it
to
expand
the
window
and
damage
it.
M
M
Q
You
heard
that
Woodbridge
is
going
through
a
problem
with
being
able
to
have
them
actually
warrant
the
product,
because
the
windows
are
like
they
were
way
back
when
they're,
not
a
good
energy-efficient
window.
In
my
instance,
in
my
homes
that
are
even
bigger,
let's
just
take
the
Woodbridge
house,
which
is
the
smaller
home,
the
cost
for
that
smaller
vinyl
window,
and
when
they
go
through
that
energy
calculation,
if
you
guys
understand
on
title
24
works,
they
run
it
against
the
standard
model
that
they
were
explaining.
You.
Q
C
Q
C
D
So
the
PD,
the
application,
came
with
the
fact
that
it
presented
three
architecture,
styles
and
those
architecture,
styles,
obviously
from
the
1950
60s.
If
you
look
at
what's
available
as
far
as
window
product,
yes,
steel
was
available.
Aluminum
was
available
today
in
2019,
vinyl
is
available,
but
also
fiberglass
is
available.
D
If
you,
if
you
look
at
it
from
the
builders
point
of
view,
of
course,
they
need
to
make
profit,
they
need
to
make
this
project
work
and
you
have
invested
quite
a
bit
and
just
on
the
design
and
the
engineering
itself.
However,
the
idea
that
yes,
title
24
is
very
important,
but
title
24
is
incident
to
the
building
at
the
point
where
permit
is
being
pulled.
There
is
and
the
projects
that
we
do
affordable
housing.
D
Those
projects
have
to
stay
affordable
for
50
years,
so
the
product
that
we
built
have
to
be
durable
and
we
build
with
fiberglass
because
they
are
much
better
performing
window
than
aluminum
and
vinyl
sort
of
an
adult
Lee
in
the
in
the
desert.
By
no
has
not
performed
well,
but
I
don't
have
any
data
in
order.
I
have
scientific
proof
of
that,
but
in
the
practice
it
has
been
heard
of
that.
D
The
issue
here
for
me
is
what
is
the
product
that
you
that
the
homeowner
is
going
to
end
up
with
so
I
understand
as
far
as
calculation
wise,
because
I'm
in
this
business,
yes,
the
Rhino
window
will
perform.
The
issue
is
what
it
lasts:
25
30,
40
years
when
the
residents
are
when
the
developer
has
moved
on
and
the
resident
is
the
one
that
needs
to
fix
these
things.
E
Know
I've
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
this
and
you
know
I
was
there
truly
this?
This
condition
was
based
on
aesthetics
and
reviewing
the
other
projects
that
have
been
approved,
including
sky
and
and
and
the
others
they
did
not
have
that
condition
so
I'm,
always
one
about
consistency
and
fairness
and
I
think
aesthetically
the
vinyl
windows
they're,
not
my
cup
of
tea,
but
I
can
understand
all
the
other
arguments
being
made
so
basically
I'm.
Okay,
with
with
the
vinyl
windows,
I,
think
fiberglass.
E
A
A
So
although
aesthetically
I
and
I
have
a
mid-century
house
and
it's
got
the
metal
frames
and
I
love
them,
I
think
we're
living
in
2019
and
we're
trying
to
build
properties
to
the
best
of
our
ability
that
people
are
going
to
like
and
enjoy
and
communities
that
they're
going
to
enjoy
living
in.
And
if
the
cost
is
an
issue
here,
so
I
would
grow
along
with
the
vinyl
framing
as
well.
M
The
cost
is
also
my
issue
because
we
do
need
more
affordable
housing,
obviously
they're
not
affordable,
in
the
same
way
that
some
of
the
other
developments
we
just
approved
are
but
still
something
that's
more
affordable.
But
I
do
like
what
Commissioner
song
was
saying
about
the
fiberglass,
because
if
affordability
is
not
just
the
cost
upfront,
it's
also
the
replacement
cost
down
the
line.
And
so,
if
we
want
homes
to
be
affordable,
we
want
them
to
be
affordable,
upfront
and
later
so,
I
I'm
interested
in
hearing
more
about
fiberglass.
B
M
Glass
and
vinyl
actually
are
fairly
similar
when
it
comes
to
doing
their
title.
24S
they're
gonna
they're
both
going
to
pass
they're
not
going
to
have
difficulties
with
that.
They
do
both
withstand
very
well,
especially
out
here
with
our
heat.
That's
a
big
concern
for
a
lot
of
our
windows.
You
can
get
pretty
much
the
same
things
in
either
auras
when
it
comes
to
your
colors
and
they
will
withhold
out
here
in
the
weather.
M
They
will
be
able
to
withstand
also
the
wind
speeds
of
up
to
125
in
that
specific
area
as
well,
so
they
will
perform
either
way
as
far
as
price
range,
the
fiberglass
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive,
but
that's
mainly
just
because
of
the
processor
that
it's
being
built
with.
So
it's
just
gonna
honestly
depend
on
what's
gonna
be
best
for
cost
wise
when
it
comes
to
that,
because
they're
gonna
both
perform
best
for
title
24,
DP
ratings,
solar
heat
gains,
you
factors
all
of
that.
M
M
Will
be
different,
it
just
depends
on
that
manufacturer
so,
like
with
the
vinyl,
they
may
have,
let's
say
a
one-inch
frame
from
one
manufacturer,
and
then
they
could
have
a
vibrant
as
completely
different
series
that
they
make
in
a
different
way
and
that
one
could
have
a
two
inch
frame.
So
it
just
depends
on
how
that
manufacturer
decides
to
make
them
usually
they're
fairly
similar
they're,
not
as
drastic
as
going
from
some
of
the
other
going
from
aluminum
to
a
full
vinyl,
which
usually
is
a
little
bit
different.
M
M
M
A
lot
of
the
times
they
just
hear
that
they
perform
well
and
they're
they're
good
for
their
home
they're
gonna
be
energy
efficient,
but
I
haven't
seen
any
statistical
data
that
shows
that
they
outperform
vinyl
I've
seen
stuff
that
has
shown
that
they've
done
fairly
similar,
but
that
must
die.
That
was
about
two
years
ago,
when
I
was
doing
my
research
I
know.
M
Usually,
when
I
see
homeowners
they're
coming
in
and
if
they're
asking
for
five
last
is
because
someone's
recommended
it
to
them
a
lot
of
the
times
when
I
see
homeowners
coming
in
and
asking
for
it,
they
don't
really
know
the
product,
so
they
come
in
and
they
try
to
figure
out
what
is
best
gonna
be
for
their
house
and
it
usually
depends
on
the
location
of
their
area.
Okay,.
Q
Q
The
vinyl
has
the
kind
of
a
mold
can
get
a
little
bit
of
a
mildew
type
issue
once
in
a
while
and
maybe
discolor
a
little
bit,
but
in
the
desert
we've
never
had
a
request
or
have
ever
used
the
fiberglass.
The
question
I
have,
though,
on
the
fiberglass
is,
though
the
big
deal
here
is
going
to
be
windows
versus
sliders.
We
gotta
also
remember.
We
have
large
sliders
8-foot
10-foot
high
12
foot
wide
sliders
and
we
got
to
make
sure
that
whatever
product
that's
being
recommended,
vinyl
or
the.
Q
That's
why
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you've
asked
that
question,
because
we're
talking
about
the
color
on
the
outside
versus
the
color
on
the
inside
and
we're
also
talking
about?
Will
the
slider
match,
because
some
of
the
products
here
might
not
be
able
to
span
the
12
and
10-foot
Heights?
That's
another
thing:
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
brought.
You.
C
F
F
F
Aesthetic
end
result
using
the
vinyl
as
the
aluminum
and
you've
had
testimony,
and
you
have
an
example
that
shows
that
you
can
come
fairly
similar
in
terms
of
the
exterior
what
you
might
do
if
you
I've
heard
a
couple
of
you
say
that
you're
amenable
to
allowing
some
variation
from
the
aluminum.
What
I
might
suggest
to
you
is
that,
in
terms
of
the
condition
you
might
say
that
aluminum
is
the
preferred
choice.
However,
the
Planning
Commission
may
approve
alternate
materials
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
F
With
the
approvals
that
you
have
in
place,
you
have
two
developments
that
have
already
been
proved.
You
have
Woodbridge
Pacific
and
then
you
have
Gallery
homes
if
they
want
to
come
back
in,
let's
say
the
next
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
propose
an
alternate
window,
you
could
consider
those
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
what
you
might
have
them
do
is
bring
a
sample
as
they've
done
here
today
and
that
you
approve
a
specific
window
manufacturer
and
color.
So
that's
what
I
might
recommend
again,
just
based
on
what
I've
heard
you
say
so
far,
Commissioner.
F
D
A
A
C
F
F
But
I
do
have
a
couple
of
individuals
who
are
more
serious
in
terms
of
their
proposal
and
have
done
research
in
terms
of
building
code
requirements
and
other
things,
and
so
what
I
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
is
to
present
this
to.
You
lay
out
the
entitlement
issues
that
we
have
in
terms
of.
How
do
we
bring
this
through
a
process
and
then,
secondarily,
how
does
it
then
go
through
a
permit
process?
Just
so
you
have
some
background
and
maybe
can
give
some
direction
in
terms
of
what
we
might
be
looking
for.
F
As
these
might
come
forward
through
a
major
architectural
review
process,
so
with
that,
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
started
in
terms
of
the
concept
itself.
What
it
is
proposing
is
to
use
RVs
such
as
an
Airstream
trailer
to
serve
as
hotel
rooms,
unlike
an
RV
park
instead
of
the
RVs
coming
and
going
in
this
instance,
the
RVs
actually
stay
on
the
site
permanently,
they
are
owned,
the
site
is
owned
and
the
RVs
themselves
are
owned
by
one
person
and
then
they
would
be
operated
by
a
hotel.
So
that's
similar
to
a
hotel.
F
You
would
make
reservations,
you'd
stay
for
a
couple
of
nights
and
then
move
on
the
RVs
themselves
would
be
permanently
connected
to
utilities.
So
in
terms
of
electricity,
water
sewer,
that
would
remain
there
and
again
they
would
provide
amenities,
such
as
maid
service
or
other
similar
hotel
amenities
and
so
again
for
our
a
functional
standpoint.
It
operates
just
like
a
hotel.
The
thing
is,
it
looks
different
than
a
hotel.
F
Actually,
it's
a
broader
category
than
that.
What
is
being
proposed
is
to
actually
use
trailers,
so
it
would
typically
be
the
Airstream
trailer,
as
you
may
have
seen
in
the
examples
that
I
put
together
for
you
previously
in
terms
of
where
this
is
being
done.
I
just
look
primarily
in
California
for
examples
that
would
be
comparable.
F
So
there's
a
couple
of
examples
that
are
there
existing
where
they
have
gone
through
and
been
approved
for
that
type
of
use
relative
to
our
zoning
code.
It
becomes
a
question
of
how
do
we
fit
this
in
to
our
existing
regulations
and
processes
and
as
I
described
in
my
memo
to
you,
there's
a
couple
of
different
ways
that
we
could
look
at
this.
The
easiest
way
from
my
opinion
is
to
treat
it
as
a
hotel
and
then
be
subject
to
the
same
development
standards
as
any
other
hotel.
F
So
what
that
means
is
that
the
underlying
zoning
district,
anything
from
commercial
to
our
multifamily
zones,
where
hotel
is
a
permitted
use,
it
would
be
subject
to
those
development
standards
in
terms
of
setbacks,
from
property
lines,
separation
between
buildings,
height
limits,
etc,
and
so
I
see
that,
as
probably
being
the
most
reasonable
process
that
it
would
fit
into
mr.
Hirsch
mine
are.
F
That
becomes
the
second
question.
Technically
they
wouldn't
be
considered
buildings,
they
would
be
treated
as
recreational
vehicles
and
that
is
regulated
by
the
state
and
I'll
get
to
that.
How
that
creates
kind
of
an
issue
for
us
in
just
a
moment.
The
second
way
that
we
could
look
at
this
is
under
the
section
of
the
code.
That's
entitled
recreation
vehicle
park.
F
However,
in
doing
that,
there's
some
standards
within
that
section
of
the
zoning
code
that
would
present
problems
number
one.
A
recreation
vehicle
park
requires
a
minimum
acreage
of
twenty
acres,
and
the
proposals
that
have
come
in
to
me
are
looking
at
sites
that
are
much
much
smaller
than
that
they're
a
standard
City
site
that
is
much
less
than
20
acres.
In
addition,
there
are
also
setback
requirements
that
are
much
more
onerous
than
our
standard
underlying
zoning
district
requirements
and
then
there's
other
things
in
terms
of
minimum
paved
area
per
RV
site
and
so
forth.
F
That
would
just
be
impossible
to
conform
to
as
these
things
are
being
proposed,
and
so
if
the
applicant
were
to
proceed
down
that
route,
they
would
have
to
file
variance
applications.
In
order
to
do
that
and
I,
don't
know
that
we'd
be
able
to
make
the
finding
so
I
don't
see
that
we
could
process
these
as
a
recreation
vehicle
park.
The
third
option
is
under
a
planned
development
district
applications
with
our
newly
adopted
ordinance.
That
also
presents
a
number
of
problems
in
that
we
cannot
waive
standards,
as
we
have
been
able
to
in
the
past.
F
Also
we
have
the
issue
of
public
benefit
and
I.
Don't
know
what
we
would
do
as
a
public
benefit
for
an
Airstream
trailer
park.
Iii
just
don't
know
how
that
would
work
and
so
I
think
processing
it
as
a
planned
development
also
poses
some
challenges
that
really
make
it
not
the
best
way
to
proceed,
and
so
for
that
reason,
looking
at
my
analysis
as
a
zoning
code,
I
would
recommend
that
we
consider
these
to
be
hotels
and
then
process
them
under
the
development
standards
that
we
have
with
The
Associated
zoning
district.
F
Yes,
they
would
have
to
do
that,
but
not
the
actual
trailer
itself.
The
fire
department
has
some
life
safety
concerns,
and
their
initial
approach
to
this
would
be
to
require
sprinklers
that
the
trailers
would
need
to
be
retrofitted
with
sprinklers
in
order
to
comply
with
life
safety
requirements.
How
that
would
occur
is
essentially
what
they
need
to
do
is
bring
some
external
water
line
up
outside
of
the
trailer
and
then
punch
through
the
roof
with
the
actual
sprinkler
apparatus.
F
So
aesthetically,
that's
not
the
best
way
to
go
about
it,
but
that's
something
that
they
might
need
to
do
now.
Our
fire
marshal
did
say
if
there
is
any
information
that
can
be
provided
from
other
jurisdictions
in
terms
of
how
they've
addressed
life
safety
concerns,
he
would
certainly
look
at
that,
but
his
initial
approach
was
that
it
would
require
some
type
of
sprinkler
in
the
trailers
themselves,
so
those
are
a
couple
of
the
permitting
issues
that
we
still
have
to
resolve
and
work
through
with
building
and
safety
and
fire
in
terms
of
aesthetic
issues.
F
This
is
something
that
you,
as
the
Planning
Commission,
could
deal
with.
As
you
consider
a
major
architectural
application,
if
we
do
this
as
a
hotel,
it
would
still
require
a
major
architectural
application,
because
you
are
installing
structures
on
a
site,
so
that
would
be
the
approval
process
that
we
would
go
through,
and
so
we
would
use
our
architectural
review
criteria
in
evaluating
the
application,
and
so
some
of
the
things
I
think
that
we
would
need
to
look
at
is
that
there
needs
to
be
some
type
of
a
perimeter
wall.
F
For
example,
looking
at
the
context
would
a
neighbor
want
to
see
these
shiny,
Airstream
trailers
across
the
street
from
them,
probably
not,
and
so
we'd
want
to
have
some
type
of
a
perimeter
wall.
You
know,
however,
it's
limited
six
feet
in
height,
so
it
would
need
some
type
of
landscaping
to
go
with
that
in
one
of
the
examples
that
I
showed
to
you
in
the
package,
the
caravan
outpost.
They
have
some
rather
dense
landscaping
there
on
the
site.
F
That
not
only
is
it
difficult
to
see
from
the
perimeter
the
outs
of
the
interior
perimeter,
but
also
between
the
trailers
themselves.
They
have
a
rather
dense
landscaping,
which
I
think
is
helpful.
So
landscaping
is
going
to
be
an
important
component
of
these
in
one
of
the
examples,
the
auto
camp
from
Russian,
River
or
Guerneville
they're
amenity
building
is
just
absolutely
beautiful,
and
so
there
is
a
degree
of
architecture
that
can
be
applied
to
these
and
we
can
look
at
it
as
an
important
component
to
have
as
part
of
the
overall
complex.
F
So
again,
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
some
aesthetic
questions
that
you
as
the
Planning
Commission
would
want
input
on
as
part
of
this
major
architectural
review
process
and
something
that
we
would
look
at
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
in
particular
looking
at
the
context
of
the
site
and
what
it
relates
to
across
the
street
and
adjacent
to
it.
So
those
are
some
of
the
issues
again.
This
is
just
a
discussion
item.
My
recommendation
would
be
that
we
process
these
as
a
hotel.
F
We
still
have
some
additional
work
to
do
with
building
and
safety
and
fire
on
that
regard.
I
did
reach
out
to
other
planning
directors,
particularly
in
Ojai
and
Santa.
Barbara
haven't
received
a
response
from
Santa
Barbara,
but
I
did
get
an
email
back
from
the
Planning
Director
in
Ojai.
He
was
not
there
in
place
when
caravan
outpost
was
approved
in
2013,
but
he
indicated
that
they
had
approved
it
as
a
hotel
facility.
F
However,
on
the
permitting
side
from
the
Building
and
Safety
Department,
they
did
look
at
it
as
an
RV
park,
so
they
kind
of
had
to
bifurcate
their
approval
of
that
project.
He
indicates
that
it
was
not
a
simple
process,
but
they
eventually
were
able
to
permit
that
particular
particular
development.
So
again,
just
looking
for
your
input
on
that
and
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
your
questions.
A
My
first
question
is:
do
we
really
need
this
in
Palm
Springs,
I,
honestly,
look
at
this
and
I'm
not
being
a
snob
and
an
elitist
but
I
like
to
think
of
our
town
as
an
international
tourist
resort?
It's
not
oh
I,
and
this
is
I
I,
think
there's
so
many
problems
attached
to
this
transients
in
in
motels
safety
issues.
A
Sightly
issues
about
set
ecstatic
issues.
How
do
you
control
the
types
of
trailers?
What
they
look
like
land
is
not
that
easily
available
here
in
Palm,
Springs,
anymore
and
I
would
think
they
would
be
looking
for
more
a
larger,
more
remote
areas
where
the
land
is
not
as
expensive
to
place.
These
I
just
I,
just
wonder
if
the
whole
concept
is
appropriate
for
Palm
Springs
in.
F
They
have
not
reviewed
this
issue,
yet
I
would
say
that,
in
terms
of
our
code,
could
we
allow
someone
to
file
an
application.
I
would
say
absolutely,
but
it's
a
discretionary
application
and
that
you
all
as
the
Planning
Commission,
would
be
reviewing
a
major
architectural
application
and
as
part
of
that
again,
looking
at
our
criteria
under
the
major
architectural
application,
you
have
to
make
findings
that
it
is
harmonious
and
compatible
and
as
you're
suggesting
there,
you
may
have
difficulty
in
making
that
finding
so
someone
could
apply,
but
does
it
have
to
be
approved?
F
J
Yeah
I
think
I've
been
out
of
sync
with
the
rest
of
the
Commission
much
as
a
day-to-day,
but
I
I.
Think
it's
a
great
idea
in
in
the
appropriate
location,
I
think
it's
fun,
I
think
it's
hip
I
think
it's
the
the
kind
of
demographic
that
a
lot
of
the
hotels
are
going
after
in
a
different
way.
I
could
see
this
a
development
like
the
site
plan.
J
E
I
I
agree
with
Commissioner
her
spine.
It
is
it
is,
it
does
respond
to
the
demographic,
a
it
would
depend
on
this
specific
site.
I
had
a
comment,
though
you
know,
Airstream
trailers
are
really
trendy
really
fabulous,
but
what
would
keep
somebody
potentially
from
using
not
such
a
great
trailer
as
part
of
this
idea,
but.
L
E
Know
that
could
be
handled
through
the
architectural
review
process,
but
then
I
started
to
think
you
know
this
was
this
is
a
great
hotel
idea,
but
what
about
this
is
gonna,
throw
a
whole
other
idea.
Perhaps
out
there.
You
know.
I
was
almost
thinking
about
the
trend
towards
tiny
homes
and
providing
a
really
alternative
talk
about
the
housing
stock
and
trying
to
provide
some
options.
Could
this
other
than
being
just
hotel
use?
Could
we
look
at
a
specific
use?
E
That
would
be
a
similar
idea,
but
would
be
for
a
long-term
residential
housing
just
throwing
it
out
there
and
it
could
be
the
same
regulations
or
ideas
about
you
know,
perimeter,
walls
and
and
permanent
utilities,
certainly,
and
the
specific
units
obviously
would
have
to
be
architecture.
You
know
go
under
architectural
review,
but
I
think
this.
This
is
a
fascinating
concept.
It's
just
about
working
out
some
of
the
criteria
in
terms
of
shielding
and
so
forth
and
size.
So
maybe
there's
a
minimum
size
of
lot
that
this
would
be
applicable
to.
A
F
Just
playing
off
of
that
comment
that
brings
to
mind
something
you
know.
Possibly,
we
look
at
modifying
our
RV
park
section
of
the
code
to
allow
it
to
be
used
both
for
this
instance
as
a
hotel
or,
as
commissioner
Hudson
is
suggesting,
as
a
tiny
home
development
with
standards
that
are
specific
to
that.
F
D
So
in
one,
if
one
RV
space
is,
you
know,
12
150,
you
can
potentially
have
four
of
these.
So
what
is
the
minimum
amount
that
we
want
to
start
with
right
and
some
of
these
sort
of
site
programming
issues
is
the
one
of
the
reason
why
this
site
works
or
this
kind
of
project
works
is
because
they
keep
the
parking
away
from
the
composition
of
the
mobile
home
or
trailer
home
vehicles,
because
they
want
to
create
this
kind
of
courtyard
or
community
setting
away
from
cars.
D
If
you,
if
we
allow
cars
to
now
meander
around
these,
then
it
just
becomes
a
typical
mobile
home
park,
which
is
car
and
then
home
no
in
between.
So
the
the
success
of
this
is
that
how
and
I
and
I
think
this
is
what
Flynn
is
posing
to
us.
Is
that
if
we
do
it
as
a
typical
RV
park,
the
advantage
is
that
the
RV
park
gets
approved
by
the
state
architect,
and
the
city
only
has
to
approve
the
site
improvements.
However,
we
can
only
start
with
a
site:
that's
20,
acres
plus.
D
However,
if
we
do
a
hybrid
version
of
that
in
which
this
could
be
a
hotel
or
a
tiny
use,
can
we
approve
it
in
planning
with
a
different
with
a
Ghent,
more
general
category,
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
building
use,
we
can
still
have
the
advantage
of
being
a
vehicle
use
so
that
even
the
fire
department
could
consider
not
fire
sprinkling
these,
because
that's
a
huge
expense.
That's
gonna
kill
projects
like
this.
D
So
could
we
modify,
as
you
are
mentioning
the
RB
use,
to
allow
smaller
Lots
about,
have
a
minimum
and
then
also
allow
a
subsection
for
tiny
home
movement?
Could
we
also
encourage
that
the
way
the
site
planning
is
design
is
that
the
parking
needs
to
be
away
so
that
there's
opportunity
to
create
a
community
setting
and
then,
if
we
do
it
sort
of
in
the
clean
cut
of
RB?
But
you
know
smaller
RV
subsection,
then
you
could
stay
with
the
proper
planning
approval
and
then
building
approval.
F
C
F
Would
like
to
kind
of
do
them
concurrently,
III
think
there
needs
to
be
an
example
to
see
what
the
code
would
allow
and
what
the
end
result
is
going
to
be,
because
if
I
just
take
the
code
amendment
forward
without
any
type
of
example,
it
becomes
a
little
bit
difficult
from
a
policy
standpoint
to
see
what
the
end
result
is
going
to
be.
So
it's
something
I
might
do
concurrently
and
have
the
approval
of
the
actual
RV
Hotel
be
contingent
upon
approval
of
the
amendment
that.
D
M
And
I
think:
if
someone
comes
forward
and
wants
to
do
this
here,
then
we
should
look
at
it.
I'm,
not
sure
how
viable
it
is
based
on
cost.
I
also
just
have
concerns
about
anything.
That's
too
trendy
because
trends
go
away,
and
this
particular
trend
I
think
is
more
likely
to
go
away
sooner
than
later.
As
far
as,
and
that's
mainly
because
I
can't
imagine
the
maintenance
that
would
be
involved
in
a
project
like
this
long-term
I
mean
these
are
gonna
have
to
be
replaced
fairly
regularly.
This
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
business
opportunity.
M
Can
but
they
have
to
buy
new
ones
and
I,
don't
know
it
just
seems
like
a
much
bigger
project
and
especially
with
the
land
being
so
expensive
here,
I
think
it
works
in
morongo
Valley
in
Yucca
Valley
in
places
where
it's
very
cheap
but
I
mean
I
would
be
surprised
if
someone
came
forward
and
had
a
project
that
was
gonna
be
viable,
but
if
they
are
then
by
all
means,
come
forward.
Alright.
C
C
M
F
F
You
need
to
get
signatures
of
a
certain
percentage
of
the
owners
along
the
street
to
consent
to
the
street
name,
change,
there's
a
two-step
process
before
the
Planning
Commission,
in
terms
of
doing
a
resolution
with
the
intent
to
change
the
name
etc,
and
so
it's
a
rather
lengthy
and
involved
process.
However,
there
is
another
provision
at
the
very
end
of
that
section
of
the
code
that
says
the
Planning
Commission
can
bypass
that
and
recommend
approval
of
a
street
name
change
to
a
certain
degree.
F
I
do
have
an
orchid
tree
update.
Yes,
as
part
of
the
extension
of
their
entitlements,
they
were
required
to
make
certain
improvements
to
the
site
relative
to
the
security
and
the
safety
of
the
buildings
themselves.
The
applicant
has
completed
about
90%
of
those
required
improvements,
including
installing
a
new
fence.
They
have
put
additional
lighting
on
the
site,
they
have
put
cameras,
however.
The
security
cameras
that
they
put
on
site
were
not
direct
feed,
video
that
the
police
department
had
requested,
and
so
police
is
having
them
upgrade
those
cameras
per
their
requirements.
F
So
again
they
are
about
90
percent
complete
with
those
requirements.
They
also
submitted
an
independent
structural
report
of
the
actual
community
church
building
itself.
There
was
concern
relative
to
the
roof
structure
and
they've
indicated
that
the
concrete
structure
is
adequate
and
will
support
it.
They
still
need
to
do
some
cleanup
on
the
tiles
on
that
roof.
F
The
project
itself,
they
had
indicated
that
they
intended
to
move
forward
within
the
next
year,
but
we
will
see
that
they
had
a
90
day
requirement
on
the
improvements
that
I
just
spoke
about,
and
then
they
also
have
a
six-month
report
where
they're
to
indicate
their
progress
in
moving
forward
with
the
project.
So
we
anticipate
that
in
about
three
months
time
and
as.
C
F
J
D
D
F
E
F
F
B
F
Have
two
items
for
you?
First
of
all,
commissioner
Hudson,
you
had
made
a
wonderful
suggestion
to
me
that
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
the
rest
of
the
Planning
Commission
is
Commissioner.
Hudson
had
suggested
that
we
form
a
Planning
Commission
subcommittee
to
review
submittal
requirements
for
the
application
types
that
we
have,
in
particular
looking
at
getting
documents
that
you
all
can
adequately
review
and
and
comment
on,
and
so,
if
it
is
appropriate,
we
would
like
to
form
that
subcommittee.
Mr
Hudson
has
volunteered
to
be
on
that.
F
E
I'll
just
follow
up,
my
intent
was
I
think
a
lot
of
times
we
receive
presentation
material
that
makes
a
project
look
really
good,
but
isn't
very
honest
in
terms
of
height
of
walls,
along
streets,
setbacks
and
all
those
sorts
of
things.
My
intent
is
to
make
these
submittals
much
more
honest
and
accurate.
C
F
And
then
the
second
item
that
I
have
for
you
is,
as
commissioner
song
has
indicated,
I
sent
an
email
about
the
California
Preservation
Foundation
conference,
which
is
going
to
be
held
here
in
Palm
Springs
on
May
8th
through
the
11th.
The
city
is
the
host
sponsor
and
as
part
of
our
sponsorship,
the
foundation
is
offering
free
conference
registration
to
members
of
our
boards
and
commissions.
F
So
if
you
would
like
to
attend
the
conference-
and
you
haven't
already
sent
me
an
email-
just
see
me
after
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
I'll
get
you
signed
up
for
that,
there
is
a
caveat.
The
ticketed
items,
including
the
reception
at
sunnylands
and
the
tours
and
so
forth,
are
an
added
cost
and
they
are
not
doing
that
for
us.
You'll
have
to
pay
for
those
individually,
but
they
will
pay
for
your
attendance
at
the
conference
sessions
the
regular
conference
sessions.
So
again,
please
see
me
and
I'll
sign
you
up
for
that
very
good.
Any.