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7.12.2022 Conservation Committee Subcommittee Organic Land Care

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um Ted sort of drafted the agenda on this, um but uh I think when you're the you guys.

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Were all participated in the one back in october of 2021, where we had ryan gets there.

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And he said he would work on things too. It's a little background kind of uh he was.

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Basically, they did that flyer that came out that you talked about.

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We never met or had an opportunity to talk or what they were going to come out like. I did not know.

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So it's just the fire so and then um and you you were more interested in the whole pesticide three.

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Program and then and then he basically um he said that he would be whatever the cons com decided.

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To do would be fine, but he would, and he would you know if there's an opportunity to promote.

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It or whatever, um but he wouldn't necessarily participate but would definitely help coordinate.

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On that level sure and then um so that's a permanent thing, because you would brought that up.

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Too, so definitely opportunities for them to also take credit for what what happens out of this, but.

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The original information from this is that the city was doing the pesticide reduction kind of.

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Program on their practices right on their property, it was in 2017 back in 2017, worked this non-toxic.

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uh Portsmouth worked with a group from builder as well, and we've got the city to pass a resolution.

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Abandoning the use of pesticides on all cities, they were using glyphosate up until 2000, so anyway,.

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They banned the use of pesticides, maintain city property and the other part of that resolution was.

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That they looked for the conservation commission to recommend the city staff on organic landcare.

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But I think that it's not his particular area. I think his particular areas where's, the water.

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Not necessarily was in the land as much so you know there were some things that didn't blink on.

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Fire and stuff like that, and uh but at any rate now going forward. You know I've been around this.

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Long term, those indications to look at it now in the past about the problems.

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And I was excited about this because they got a 35 grand.

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And I worked and lived in the city for a while, so I called out- and um you know, got.

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Some background and what worked and didn't work for them and they admitted they could do some.

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Better things their big area was like they used the little lung signs as part of their program.

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You know to say: okay, my lungs are organic and to put pure group pressure on your neighbors.

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And the other kids at school and stuff like that, so it worked really well on.

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The city's east side- apartments, which is the wealthiest where broad university, is.

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And uh it didn't work as well and in the poorer parts.

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Of uh province, but the demographics are different in province. You know it's.

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It's probably 60 minority, it's a very mixed income and it's also it's a it's. A really cool.

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City, you know it's got like nine companies there's always stuff going on. So I talked to.

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Again, just the other week, I gave a call to doing they made some improvements to their program.

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But theirs is oriented towards uh you know online, but uh so what what I I did is I came up with this.

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Three areas of concern that I think we should focus on, which was first of all, the do-it-yourself.

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Homeowners, you know, and uh I think the majority of people in this town they have people to take care.

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Of their longer to cut you know, and the problem is, is that they don't know who to go to because.

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Everybody says I'm a green company: oh yeah, we're organic, oh yeah, yeah and they're. Not it's like.

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They have one, it's called mainly green, something like that. We looked into it investigated them. They.

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Had a fine of like fifty thousand dollars from the state of maine, because the city south portland.

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Well, we got an organic program and then, as soon as the program started, they went to the chief staff.

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And everything it looks great to the whole western side and then the state investigated and found out.

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They're, the very same uh company that has been providing the lawn substances at our.

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Public high school, so you know it's just just things like that. That's an example.

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So that you really there's so much brainwashing out there, so there's a big huge market.

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For people to maintain people's property using organic, advanced landscape standards, you know.

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And also there's a whole commercial property sector. You know, what do you do there so I'll.

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Give you an update of what I have done. What we need to kind of get together is that I talked to.

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Both the norfolk new hampshire people and and the innova connecticut people north has been around.

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For more than 50 years of the oldest organization that promotes organic political standards,.

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They started vermont in new hampshire and massachusetts, now they're in seven different.

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States in each chapter, so it takes responsibility for uh doing things and they share the information.

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So the connective chapter they provide the presentation for people to get accredited.

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In a unique land care, so they're pretty good, so I talked to jerry jeremy pelletier there and you.

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Know I took the advantage during the pandemic to actually get my accreditation, so I'm familiar with.

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The process and familiar with those guys, you know- and uh so I talked to jeremy about it and we set.

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Up a meeting with also the lady from uh norfolk new hampshire that he called new hampshire people.

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uh Focus a lot more on homers in that little program and a bunch of little videos about.

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Organic ground care and they're pretty good. You know, there's a there was a link there.

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And uh they've got some really nice programs set up, so you yeah, so we myself and then we pulled in.

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uh Diana carpinoni, my colleague from dover who's, terrific she's, one of the most knowledgeable.

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People I've ever met. That's just you know a citizen, that's not working in the field. Just.

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Teaching herself anyway well, four of us chatted for a while and said all.

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Right, what do we do? We wanted to have organic landcare program in brisbane. How would it work.

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We really talked about how there are a lot of available resources out there.

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um We put on a program here in portsmouth in 2018. Unfortunately, there's no youtube video over there.

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But we had a fellow that came down from maine this accredited. Thank you. We put on a very nice program.

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And we had the library about 60 people showed off an in-person program. We've got another big program.

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On organic rank here and I said the link on that one and uh synthetic fields, you know both sides.

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That can pull in academicians and others, so that was out there. So the thought is well during the.

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Course of this winter, when uh sort of a couple of thoughts, one is how to get more people credited to.

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Know about this stuff, you know all the landscapers that are out there. How do you go about it.

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And then we were chatting once the four of us say well when they stop cutting the lawn and when the.

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Clouds come out: that's the time to hit them up and educate them, so jeremy offered and without.

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The set amount, these courses are not inexpensive, they're, like 400 bucks, to get your accreditation.

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They didn't used to be able to do it online. You had to go on academy for two weeks now.

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They allow you to they. Did it because pandemic they developed a nice little online program.

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So I thought was: how can we attract people that aren't accredited and get them our credit? You.

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Know promise them something. You know, there's gonna be business enforcement. You know it's dollar signs.

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And take this thing and learn about it, you know sort of use the market forces and then do your own.

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Homeowners there's a couple of different companies that make their own organic stuff and they'll say.

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Okay, here's your program like mom, they'll, test your soil. They take a look at what your yard needs.

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And it doesn't change in one season. It takes several years for your land to come out and and.

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Then he comes up with a program and four times a year, we'll deliver something to your house. We.

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Spur it on your wallet and there you go, you know, that's the other that cut you on, and uh so it's.

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Got I've seen some of the results? Actually, diana uses that particular person over thousand dollars.

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It's the best s1 now and it's third fourth year, neighborhood, so that those were some thoughts that.

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That we kicked around and then the commercial property owners. Well, you know you got to.

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Think about that one, but so anyway we promote a bunch of ideas and there's a lot of information.

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Out there, so the thought was if we could put together a program that has a couple live sessions.

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People like to see it, maybe we could put on a demonstration. For instance, there are.

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Now four people on the staffordshire there are created an organic matter.

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And the city actually owns a compost, tea machine. You know what that is basically.

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You you, you you're, using combo, leaves and other things, and you make it up with a big batch of tea.

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And then you spray it out as fertilizer and that's what they're using selectively.

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Around the city and there's uh two gentlemen that both have each one that got their accreditation.

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We actually diane and I got the grant through stonyfield yoga so that they can uh put on a.

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Demonstration organ organic land management program- we have one here in portsmouth and there's.

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One in dover and now they're, both in their third going to their fourth year and you gotta get out.

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And see them sometimes alumni feel what school used to be. You take a look at it now. It's like.

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Four years into it and they have like four or three or four different sports that play there.

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They play lacrosse in the springtime right at the beginning of the season. A lot of people clarify.

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So anyway, uh that's one to look at and that's they've done a great job. The other one is a.

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School over and over that looks beautiful and on a baseball field and they've done a really nice job.

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So the thought was just to do.

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Someone informally you zoom in as much so they can pull in these desperate people from.

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Down connecticut and it's one of connecticut, there's a you know, I'm just thinking of people.

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From my past experience that I know that, like we want to volunteer or help in some way.

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um You know there are advantages, you know for people, they want to get more people.

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Into their profession now the seven states there are about five thousand uh people that.

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Are accredited through somewhere in that one age in the seventh stage you know, but they're still.

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Running up with one, you know, if you, if you look in the phone book, I want someone to take care of my.

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My property volunteers, because you're not gonna, find them. It's like that. Each locus state chapter.

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They maintain a list of their members, but the public generally doesn't know where to go so the.

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Other part of this is, we were talking between the four of us and throwing this out to you. Guys is.

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What we wanted to do was do a standalone program in portsmouth that has everything we need in it.

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All the components just pick it up next year until the next year I heard from someone in summerslam.

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They are also interested in you know organic landcare. So if you've got a that was what we.

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Talked about, if you're going to put this effort, the students wants it's a program that you can.

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Have online you can share it with other people very easily fill it in maybe offer them some.

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Technical assistance website or something I don't know you know, and uh anyway that's.

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My report, back of what I've been doing since we ordered messaging, I just want to clarify to kate.

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We have to have someone to take notes right because it's a public. Well, we have a quorum right.

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So um I've been jotting stuff down: okay yeah! I can always walk or watch these back too, as.

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Well, yeah, okay, and that can maybe sit. You would send you a draft of what you should.

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Have that would be great good thinking, thanks for reminding me.

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This I'd like to move it, so the thought that I had was to have a subcommittee with other people.

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That maybe not have a quorum, and that was the point of making the motion to have us report.

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The subcommittee who's ever working on it. We brought back to the regular conservation meeting.

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What's what this is, what we did this? Is it 10 minutes? You know no more than that, this is what's.

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Going on so that you don't have to necessarily pull people that don't have time, but they care.

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They want to participate, but that you can provide them information get ideas, things like that move.

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This along, you know, I'm going to be away for the month september october, depending so. If we.

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I don't know when I don't know we could talk about scheduling, but maybe something sometimes.

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Before something in the spring flight performances, uh who else did I hear from.

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uh Oh uh another guy down to marblehead, that's an expert on carrick he's got some training. Tapes.

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That he's used in the past he said are really good. They were really high quality. Well done.

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And so that I think a lot of it's out there, it's just organizing it pulling it together, find out.

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When you want to put it down, it would be good if we could have a little not a whole page, a tab.

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And department- and I would suggest the public works- maybe talk some marine, something like that.

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Well, if, if I'm just thinking, it would be good to have a little page or something on your education.

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Program where you put it, you know- and I was just thinking out loud uh over to uh fox and greenery.

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They've got uh uh colin powell over there has he's really good he's got his accreditations into.

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Protective landscaping things, and he now has two people that also have no accreditation on his deck.

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So I was going to send them an email and phone and see what's going on and.

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We haven't played a way to render peter at.

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um Yeah, so I don't know, I mean my thoughts a little bit are, there are some things that are.

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Being done, um it'd be nice to narrow it down either one or the other, or at least have two.

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Tracks maybe going if you're talking about you, know sort of the land care people and then the.

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Do-It-Yourselfers two different audiences, it sounds like, and so some of the materials that.

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You talked about were more for providing sort of a place for land care people to be certified and.

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To get recognized and to be listed, um I love that I, like, I feel like that track is like.

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A little bit more, uh I don't know, what's the word like not doable, but there's.

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Something a tool that comes, I guess my question with that.

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If these people companies become accredited and we want to like promote them, can the city promote.

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Them or do they need to be promoted on, like non-toxic portsmouth, for example, like can the city.

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Say like this is, who you should use? I don't know if they can, I'm guessing. They can't. Yes, like.

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Like we can't like, at least when I work at des, we can't promote anybody because.

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We're a state agency and once you start doing that, it's like you become responsible for.

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You promote it. Cooperative extension does promote people that have taken trainings.

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um Which was the soak up the rain training that we had done, and that was like just a list of people.

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That took the training it wasn't like you know. Here are people that know all about organic land.

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Care but they have taken this certain training, and so you could point people in that direction. So.

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So I don't know about this thing because I think I I think it'd be great to try to get more companies.

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If you're saying that, probably I don't know if it's a majority but.

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A fair amount of portsmouth property owners pay to get their land care done to get them accredited.

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And then give them the incentive of somehow we're promoting them if it has to be through a non-city.

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Body and then even have them maybe pitch in a little bit more to help with the promotional.

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Like materials and then send something out or something like that, and then.

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Their benefit is, you know all these homeowners are now seeing their name as.

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Somebody that can do this kind of thing I feel like that would be a big buzz for for.

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Their business and like paying an extra, I don't know what, uh on top of the accreditation which.

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You said it's like four hundred dollars. It's four hundred dollars, but in talking with the.

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Norfolk people jeremy, said you know if you run a program like this be public at this time, yeah.

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And make it 300 or something like that, so that's another! You know carrot if you would to this room.

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I don't know who you were. You know uh I don't. I don't know enough about how they're organized, but.

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I'll find out, is there a renewal? Do they have to do it every year or have a certain amount of hours.

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Yeah they have to renew it. Every year you have to take a couple of courses. Yeah stay on top of that.

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You can even do things that keep yourself up. You can serve that local conservation question.

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You know so I don't have to do an education like violent this year, yeah by my service.

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On the conservation commission, so there are other ways that people can keep, keep it up.

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They can take certified questions. You know state organizations, I'm curious, for if it's a company.

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They do the education piece, but is there some sort of vetting for like the actual products.

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That they're using absolutely, and uh you know, I think that it would know from people who have.

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Their list- and you just send people to them, you know yeah and they do the vetting for you, because.

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The last thing we want is to put somebody on a list and then have the education, but still not be.

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Using the right products and then there's people that say: oh yeah, I've got the accreditation and.

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They're still achieving anxieties right, that's exactly! There are all kinds of.

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Problems in the industry like this green place, so what we would need some sort of.

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Bedding before we put our not necessarily conservation commission, but our name on it.

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Our stamp on it like recording it just did you uh well, I I mean so. My brain has been.

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Involved in some other stuff lately, but I think it all ties in because I'm wondering how do you.

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Has anybody talked to you about how they tie this into their city's climate action plans.

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Because I feel like if this can be a piece of our climate action plan like right now, there are.

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Citizen action groups, in conjunction with the city working on a dashboard that will be accessible to.

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Citizens, residents, businesses and organizations and the goal of that dashboard is to be a place.

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Where people can go and understand about their greenhouse gas emissions, but also learn actions.

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That they can take to mitigate and reduce there, so I kind of see like yeah. This could be the perfect.

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Segue, if somebody is going in there, whether it's a homeowner or whether it's a local business.

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And whether they want to do it themselves or they want to hire somebody if they could go to the.

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Organic land care management, tab and just say: are you a resident? Are you doing this yourself? Click.

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This and here's the information you need, or if you want a hiring so if you want to hire somebody.

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Here, yeah here are a list of people who have been through, or you know, nofa standard training.

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X, y and z, like I feel like it, could segue really well um yeah, so that might be something worth.

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And it would help you know, there's now. As far as the climate action plan goes, kate and.

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Peter working very hard right now to get the proposal together, so we can hire a consultant.

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But we're already starting or getting ready to start community engagement and awareness that.

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This plan is coming. We want you involved here actions you can take what's priority to you.

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What matters to you, so you know there's. Definitely I would say opportunity to.

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Kind of dovetail these two things together and make the part of that bigger, broader picture.

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As well, it's just even like the example of the fertilizer. You know you can see the problem now.

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Because of the issues that are going on over the ukraine, water, miner, fertilizer.

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But they need natural gas to make it. You know, and then it comes here in scots or something.

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Right so yeah, and that I think, would be an important part about education. You know.

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Like I can talk till I'm blue in the space face about plastic and how that's made- and you know I.

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Just chatted with someone last night who I thought was pretty well informed, but was surprised by a.

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Lot of the things that I was telling them, and I feel like the same, would be true for fertilizer.

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Like if people understood how it's manufactured and how it all works, that that you know would be.

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A valuable piece to that kind of water use all kinds of things yeah. You know yeah protecting.

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The environment, everything yeah yep so that, just as you move forward and think about where.

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We move forward or, however, this moves forward. That might be a piece that we want to kind of.

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Stay connected to because I definitely think it could segue well. Do you agree king yeah.

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Oh yeah, I'm thinking about it. I was just writing that section about an hour ago. So.

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Yeah so just appear that we put something in just more broadly about in the dashboard.

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Including land management strategies and not just greenhouse gas emissions, but also.

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Yeah diy stuff and just suggestions, yeah yeah, is that coming through the sustainability.

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Community is that what you guys are yeah, so I was on a sub committee for them that we were really.

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Doing a lot of work to support kate and peter, so we looked at a ton of um caps in new england, but.

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Also throughout the country just similar size, you know maybe on water ports whatever and tried to.

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What was what seemed to be valuable, what would be applicable to us.

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We talked to a whole bunch of cities, got feedback from them like how is it working.

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What would you do differently? What what you know, what is successful, um so yeah.

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They do a really good step up in portland yeah. We've we've talked to them a lot yeah.

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And conquer mess, cocker mass is another big one, but they've done a lot of good stuff too.

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So, who would the people that like if this is going to be a committee, a subcommittee who are.

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The other people that we should like I mean we don't know exactly what we're doing and maybe.

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It needs to be formulated a little bit with or a lot with, the subcommittee, but it sounds like.

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I mean that's a big component that we want to make sure is represented.

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Within the group so that it's included in climate action, how would that work.

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I I mean I'm happy to talk to the sustainability committee we meet. Our official meetings are.

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The fourth thursday of every month, so I can tell them at the end of this month.

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That you know, members of the conservation commission are working on this piece.

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And they're forming a subcommittee and would there be any interest from anybody on that.

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Fourth, friday, thursday or thursday at 6, 30. new zoom. uh Yes, we have one zoning.

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I think it's really increasing participation. I was just squeezing my.

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Yeah this is a couple of years ago. We were going to try to get businesses to sell us for.

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To pass on a pamphlet about organic medicare and overstandards, and then they're going to put.

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This on their lawn, it's actually diana's idea that she was going with a couple of years ago.

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I think that's really important to like the pollinators.

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You know like I know my parents struggle with that. Their neighbors are using have a company that.

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Claims to be organic and that it doesn't hurt the bees it just takes care of the ticks and whatever.

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But my parents haven't seen bees in years, yeah yep, so you know you're not supposed to. According.

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To new hampshire state law, you're not supposed to spray that stuff from the windows above five miles,.

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Per hour, yeah five miles an hour: it's really not a strong wind right, so any of those things with.

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Their spraying skins a lot, but they all just do it. They get out there and they turn these jobs down.

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And my neighbor was crazy because she's got something next door, that she's got.

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She had lyme disease in the past and she's highly sensitive to all these things.

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All right, so I I was thinking that they'd be.

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Willing to set something up: father, I'm willing to talk to corn and see if he's interested and.

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Touch base with peter rice, if necessary, to save some of their accredited people could participate.

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I think it'd be really great if we could get and and I'll talk to khan and then if we could get.

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A demonstration people love demonstrations, if you put on you, know, put on the city's newsletter. You.

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Advertise a little people- love demonstrations. You can do it out one of the parks right out here, city.

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Hall, you know, and people love it and I'd like to see it. I've never seen them actually brew. The tea.

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So the tea thing, so that's one of the things I'm wondering about too, is like kind of narrowing. It.

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Down or when do we kind of go down that path? Isn't there in the fall or spring yeah, but in.

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Our process too, because it's always been like when I work with organizations on outreach. We.

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Always likes people we start out with you know. This is what we're going to do. We're going to do.

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A workshop or we're going to do a demonstration or a website, and it's always good to first figure out.

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You know what we want to accomplish so, like the demonstration could be a tool.

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That we use, but maybe not go down that path. Quite yet, I think about the planning of it.

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Goals and the aggression and all that and the demonstration may come out of that.

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Yeah yeah, because! Because that one's a little bit more for, like I'm, really curious about it too and.

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What they're doing and um but it's yeah it's more for the the larger places and the communities.

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So so um you know I wouldn't get on that too quickly. It's just. I think it would be easy. No.

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No, no, I was just using that as an example of how they might use their accommodations to participate.

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In some way they might be interested in that's just going to sound like they might be too busy.

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They might not be interested in doing anything or they may love to show people, and that would.

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Acknowledge the great work they're doing exactly, I totally think it's great just when did we do that.

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So I was thinking of setting up a meeting like a uh a zoo meeting with some of these people that.

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I spoke with and we just throw ideas on. You know what do you want to accomplish? How far you know.

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With the schedule he had some really good ideas and they they uh both have a lot of.

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Experience and diana to have a lot of experience in doing some of this stuff.

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In this arena, so they've got all kinds of really cool videos. Look at that uh know if you want to.

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Go to their their website and uh and open their hands. You want to make that really good videos.

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That are already available. So it's how do you? What do you want to do? You want to do something.

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You know, there's programs for the fall, there's progress by spring with individual homeworks.

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So that's one goal is to get enough people putting up those signs that I grew up myself.

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Almost and then it's really to get as many people accredited as possible in the field.

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And figure out a way to promote them right on the commercial side, a good thing about that.

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I don't know if there's any group of the chamber anything like that.

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There's the crucial stuff, the other group that I'm going to think about a lot is the like condo associations, associations and it seems like we have like a little bit with.

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Them because oftentimes they come forth of course, with conservation commissions. I can.

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Hear you guys already kind of like trying to slip into organic volunteer messaging.

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Well, we can find out the lead of these services yeah and what will kind of sway them.

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What's the right way to do that, it's a different kind of more of a like.

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Convening or going to their board meetings, maybe or something like that before your horse kind of.

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And it's the people that I I decided to move the floor and now I can't even put a guard in.

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That piano type thing you know where I'm really worried about what they're using.

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You know my grandkids kind of stuff like that.

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Yeah I want to get up unless the rules are like it sounds like. The city has made the decision to.

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Like go to take certain steps on their own land, are there any like fortunes or things that are.

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I mean with new projects of getting them to incorporate it into the docs for the.

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Condo association, stuff that we wanted them to do about snow management or those kinds of things so.

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You know like like tomorrow. I know we don't have a lot of say over that new development.

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But that might be worth something bringing up I'm assuming that's going to be a condo style.

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So it wouldn't hurt to ask and just say: hey, can this be part of your.

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You know your docs in here yeah and your rags, because that whole property is draining the cost.

A

I I like can't hear a zoom meeting or a meeting in person or whatever, but.

A

So the cons-com's role would be you guys are still interested in working through this.

D

I I would be willing to kind of put together like a framework of kind of like our mission.

D

And then kind of a why the how and actionable items and spread that around and everyone kind.

D

Of edit it so at least we have something like a base to start from. So then, when people someone.

D

Brings up with something: where does that fall, and you know where along the line didn't do it.

D

Kind of thing- and I don't know so much about like the timeline- um I think that's a good part of the.

D

Framework- but I would like input probably about that, but I can. I can start with kind of something.

D

So why now yeah, like our mission of this subcommittee, the why the how and then I can put in.

D

A lot of questions as to what I need other people to kind of fill it out with. I think the timeline's.

A

Going to take a while to build up yeah that one is for sure, because you can move backwards.

A

Yeah, but that ultimately, like should be in there eventually.

B

Folks had such really good ideas, I loved her yeah yeah.

D

Yeah and I think yeah, I think that would we'll continue to kind of like add to that framework.

D

Based on all of our conversations with all these new people, but for me I feel like I need something.

D

Solid to start with and then getting everybody together and going. Because if you just do.

D

Brainstorming, for you know, five meetings in a row. Now it's like okay, but what are we actually gonna.

D

Do so if we can yeah start with something and see these goals, yeah goals yeah, like you know,.

C

What are your end results that you're, hoping to, like you said getting more of the professional.

C

Company certified having resources for citizens that they can access like if we can just kind.

C

Of organize that for me yeah, then I can okay, these are the steps we have to do to get there right. I'm.

C

Just thinking you know, mr fox, for the composting service, the city's promoted that a little bit.

C

They've got mr fox things, I mean that's that yeah the transfer station.

C

Is that the dom? No? No, but at the dome yeah, but also in the literature I've seen it in the.

C

Past you know, because I used while- and I found they're just too expensive for just two people.

C

But I wonder you know to barbara's point like if we.

C

If we could just list them, like, I don't know, maybe there's a way we can get around it where we list.

C

All of the land care companies within a 10-mile radius, and then we can just note.

C

These ones are the ones that have been through the organic, so we're not kind of playing favorites or.

C

Anything but we, but then we are giving the information. These are the ones who are using.

C

You know yeah or something like that. We do have a list of people who are.

B

Already chiropractic on a city, uh they have their norfolk graduations, and you know the broad area.

B

Mainly insurance, where do you find that list? No part of the city.

A

Logic model or whatever, but- and I also kind of just want to like just I- have something.

A

Easy and doing it like getting things on the dashboard feels like a really.

A

Yeah easy thing like these videos, this nofa list, yeah a training schedule or whatever and just yeah.

A

And take advantage of like this because there's a lot of energy around the climate action plan I feel like so we can make this mystery is going to be very big on this framework of low-hanging.

D

Groups, I know exactly yeah, it kind of all fits together. Yeah and they'll be tangents. So, like.

A

If you like, if we have a bigger group, get together and once we have this and there's ideas that come.

A

Out of that, and somebody else wants to run with an idea and we link to it, I mean that's fine, you.

A

Know it's just: where do we want to put rn energy, you know, and what do we want to get out of this.

A

So many great connections, like you know, everybody's backgrounds,.

A

What they're working on now.

A

So do you want to so you'll start with that? I can do that yeah and then we'll kind of add in I'll.

B

Get that and I'll share it with those people that okay yeah, I mean, I think everyone should probably.

D

Give me their two cents before you submit it off to other people.

D

Because I'm just gonna do what I've heard, but I I think everyone could add a great deal to it.

D

So I can work on that I'll email it out. You guys can give me your.

D

Edits what you think should be on there and then yeah. If you want to kind of send it out to promote.

D

It to see who else wants to join then they'll have a better idea, too of like what we're doing.

D

Or trying to do yeah and see if yeah no problem and then if we come up with more people.

A

That, like, as a group too, in addition to your resources and contacts like collaborative.

A

Extension, maybe if you try to get, I could try to get one person to come from there.

A

I think you're working with on a daily basis.

A

You guys probably never taking the coffee extension, there's also master.

B

You have to be careful because I don't know 40 of their revenues to support pesticides.

B

Big believers of ipm, which is you know, I've, never seen the written standards for it.

B

It's just useless, that's a good idea, but I think the world has transitioned beyond that. Now.

B

So there's some really good people over there yeah. The thing I mean I could contribute just.

A

Professionally is um like helping hosted an event if we didn't want to do like a demonstration.

A

In conjunction with the city, or we didn't want to do some sort of training and then people.

A

Needed help like finding space and promoting it like that's the kind of stuff that falls into my.

A

Day, job um fun to do yeah and more to work with awards right yeah. I want something for them too.

A

Yeah at least yeah see what other communities you're doing, maybe having something yeah, yeah yeah.

A

The library has great facilities- I I was gonna mention that because um so I just helped set up.

C

A display this month for classic free july and in conversations with the library staff about getting.

C

Ready for this, they have said that they want sort of an environmental, sustainable kind of theme to.

C

Be woven into their displays more regularly, so I don't know if it'll be every month but they're.

C

Definitely like they want this to be a reoccurring theme that we're starting to talk about this.

C

Kind of stuff more so that might be, you know a perfect like getting ready for your spring garden.

C

Kind of thing I've talked to my neighbor she's, the education coordinator, yeah she's, so nice.

C

Yeah she's, in fact, last year she came in, they were putting something together for non-profits.

D

Does the dashboard exist yet for the time of action? uh No, so we are actually meeting tomorrow.

C

Night- okay, we have um so hopefully I will have some answers by the end of tomorrow night after.

C

Compound I meet with them yeah, um and we have two different platforms that we've been looking at.

C

That we think might be really transferable towards that yeah, but we also have some it guys who are.

C

Part of our group, and they might be motivated to try to develop something for us specifically.

C

But the goal: that's like the push right now it's to get that up and running okay, so I will and.

D

That would be off of the city's website. Yeah yeah it'll be connected to all the stuff around the cap.

C

I don't think all those logistics have been quite figured out, but it'll be, I want to say.

D

Put this up there like well, this doesn't exist. No, um but I what it'll be it's its own freestanding.

C

Platform, but it will definitely be linked to the city and the cap and everything around perfect.

C

So yeah there's one you can look at there's one called bright action if you're curious already.

C

That's the one where we've been looking at a lot: it's brightaction.org and then mass energize. I.

D

Believe is the other one mass energize or pool or concord like yeah massachusetts. um They both have.

C

They have two platforms that we've.

B

Safe healthy playing fields and that's what we've been doing, the last working.

B

On this website- and it's we've got a consortium with some universities and it's actually that.

B

Nyu school medicine maintains our website for us, so those things too would be helpful, like I.

C

Know that's another part of the climate action plan is to already incorporate a lot of local.

C

Initiatives that are going on because it just feels like there are so many these little groups.

C

And people and organizations that are doing stuff so and what happens when you want these.

B

Efforts to be sustainable so, for instance, a couple two two and a half years ago there was a.

B

Group that started you know, concerned citizens and there built what they called sustainable sea coast.

B

That's what they were called and they were short-lived, but they had a lot of energy and.

B

They went around like all these restaurants, a lot of businesses to stop using plastic stones.

B

And people weren't paper straws, and it was really you know, five people that were just motivated or.

B

Six people, but you know it was an effort that was dropped. You know it wasn't anything else.

D

Yeah, how does pfest fall into all of this? Because that's not organic land care management.

D

Per se, no, but you assume you don't want chemicals in your land right totally.

D

But in terms of our like this framework I feel like that is kind of a separate. It is.

D

I think it probably is separate. I think that you know I I I do think it's a it's an enormous.

D

It's really huge and we ourselves the city of portsmouth, is right. Now we're breaking a clean.

D

Water right, nice and we've got some bluefield and old one and uh des actually tested the water at.

B

Saginaw creek and fest now we should be fighting out. The city should be finding out exactly what it.

B

Is right rather than speculating, you know it's it's something on the roof of the high schools.

A

Yeah, I think it will in the end it'll just you know, educate people.

A

More about you know, different ways of doing land, care and yeah, and I think.

A

If you get to the part where the community or the municipality is doing it for the playing fields,.

A

Can you be reading? This doesn't mean uh yes, yes, yeah and uh you know there are these farms that.

B

Like this family, ten years ago, they bought a farm, you know it's going to retire, they grow stuff.

B

They think they're, following all the rules and and they're they're using biostyles to fertilize.

B

Their fields and they found out that there's people, because it's stuff that comes out of it.

B

It's scary and they'd be giving out that stuff in new hampshire by ourselves for free for a number.

B

Of municipal landfills, they give out their stuff people around their farms. It's scary, there's a.

B

Huge one, I think in winston massachusetts was maybe the biggest one I've ever had.

B

And the this guy bought a property across from this huge, enormous composting site, where they.

B

Took stuff from a paper bill and they took anything in compost and took and they took.

B

Biocells and he after 10 years, he can't eat his vegetables or eat the eggs from his chickens.

D

Is that the bio solids used mostly on farms like, would that be a huge impact in portsmouth.

D

In particular, are they using control, but will like residents be using it? uh The companies.

B

That they hire could be yeah, okay, there's so little regulation over those companies. So some.

B

Landscape companies could be for residential properties could be using it. Oh yeah sure.

A

um So we need to figure out. um Maybe the next steps is.

A

You're going to draft something yeah. Thank you. So much probably it helps me.

A

Keep focusing and I'll just start minutes and send them to you.

A

Probably won't be until next week to come away for the next friday.

A

And then you guys are all still interested next week.

D

Like, like, you, guys, are talking about trying to do a regular community like have it like.

D

As you probably did child care things, I have to figure out how about we come out and how far away.

C

Are we talking, I guess would be my question. You know like we're talking. I have a couple.

C

Weeks to plan and organize, I should be good, but if you're trying to you know, I appreciate ted's.

C

Motivation to want to move forward on this, so you know last week of july someday because we're good.

A

So this is a meeting with this group, the subcommittee and then the zoom, with more people to.

A

Brainstorm, it's a separate event. I guess we might have to have one more with this group. I don't know.

A

I don't know I I think it'd be okay to bring in some other people that are.

A

More experienced than us in some areas.

C

Well, I guess it's when I create this framework or whatever do people want to have the opportunity.

D

To talk about it in person and like adjust it or it's just doing it through email, okay, email's, okay,.

D

Okay, I don't think either way, but I mean you can look at it and be like. Oh, we need to talk.

D

I don't know, do we want to wait until I kind of create this and then set a meeting? I mean.

D

I'm going to try to do this in the next like week and a half two weeks so haven't been told before.

B

Let me check with the public works people, because it'd be great to have.

B

Some of our own staff that you know have accommodations.

B

The next part is to be like supportive of their goals too.

A

Like if we can help them get credit because they're in the small business, which is great.

A

Give some momentum, whatever you.

A

A

Yeah, I would probably I can probably attend anything if it's via zoom.

D

So anytime, it's an in person that just makes a little trickier for me, but jim was fine.

A

How about first question from your kids, 3 30 in the days.

A

I'm going to say this depends on the day. I don't know.

A

Yeah I mean this is probably a good time of day. Most days of the week.

C

um But yeah like thursdays for me and I work all day so I'm at the shop. So that's no thursday.

A

You're welcome today.

A

A

D

D

July schedules- that's true: it's taking summer to start mid-july to the end yeah right now,.

D

So move on maybe try the second week. You know. What's that we're saying because.

D

I won't be here, but that doesn't that doesn't matter.

A

The first week in august, yeah.

A

So just to clarify: are we inviting other people to this next meeting.

A

I don't know, but we do need a meet to figure out what people are we're reaching out to yeah. Well,.

A

They're known for people, I think, are crucial because they're, the ones that are going to be.

A

Doing the accreditation programs and millionaire discounts and all that kind of stuff and they've.

D

Already they're the ones that have a lot of videos and everything. You know that we'd want to grab.

D

And do so, I would love to have you going to be. You know for a bite the next time or something what if.

D

We had the meeting the 27th, like you were saying, just us, and then we create a whole list of who to.

D

Invite, because I bet not a lot of people could maybe meet on such short notice anyway, and then.

D

Create another meeting to invite all these people at the end of august or something yeah. Did you win.

A

Well, I'm I think I'm gone for the month of september.

B

France, okay, so claire is pushing these names earlier. It's also bodies third week in ours,.

A

Yeah we could try it, we could try for that for the 27 and then.

A

I have no idea.

A

Right, so do you want to check to see if we can do.

D

Yes, but I need everyone's email- okay, I guess to send them a link right. Yes,.

D

If everyone was on an email before.

D

Okay, I can send you that, like I sent me, do you have everyone's.

C

C

Google docs yeah yeah.

A

Yeah great so the 27th is really soon yeah yeah, it's going to be recovered.

B