City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Conservation Commission, 8 Dec 2021

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12.8.2021 Conservation Commission

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um I wanted to welcome everybody to the december 8th 2021.

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Regular meeting of the conservation commission.

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We have a new conservation commission member.

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Abigail glendell, I just wanted to welcome you. Thank you. Thank you and you may be voting on a.

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Few of the items that you were able to see ahead of time on today's meeting so put no pressure.

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We're good and we have enough members, so we're okay um and the other thing I just wanted to.

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Mention to the other counselors is that you have a letter in front of you uh that was relevant to.

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Our application state wetlands bureau applications new business, zero, exeter street. um The applicants.

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Are not going to be here until later, I was going to try to bump it up to discuss it, but.

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Get a chance to look at that letter if we will discuss it during the application later on.

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Where it is on the agenda, so our first item of business is approval of the november 10 2021.

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Minutes anyone want to make a motion. I just have a few edits um on page three.

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Where it says the motion failed by one to five vote, it said vice chairman collins voted. She.

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Actually wasn't here so that's supposed to be ms tanner, that's good to know good one.

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Then, on page six, just a little bit of like a grammar clarification.

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um The fourth paragraph down where it says ms blasco, appreciated that I think it just needs to.

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Stay but stated or commented, or something that it still was an intensive project to a small island.

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Just to be a little bit more clear about instead of just but it seemed intensive to a small island.

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And then the other one I had was just a small typo on page nine, the second sentence up from.

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The bottom that starts with mr brits confirmed he would send instead of smed.

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Okay, thank you.

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Anybody else yep, I have a couple: okay.

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On a page five, the second paragraph down mr jankowski noted the chemicals do stay internalized.

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And go to the roots, and then it says it is part of an organic management plan. What it should say.

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It is allowed under the nofa standards as part of an organic management plan.

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Okay and then I have one more.

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uh About the fourth or fifth paragraph down this starts with uh mr mellenchuck. uh It says.

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In the last sentence, they can have a no full list of landscapers with accreditation.

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Says it should say there is a nofa list of landscapers with accreditation, okay,.

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Page seven, the last paragraph last sentence.

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Mr simonis questioned if the shoulder could have liner plantings. I believe it was linear.

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um I had a couple: uh one was on page five, just.

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uh A grammar problem or a typo uh first paragraph third line down at the end.

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There it says that is how it would be done for the smaller invasives, smaller invasive.

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um And then also on page two and three um peter, you can help me with this, but it does say chairman.

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Mcmillan allowed for a public hearing, we don't do public hearings right comment, public comments.

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Just change it to public comment the same on page three, I closed the public hearing public comment.

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And the same on page five at the bottom there's two other places.

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And then the last one he calls a public comment.

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And then there's one other typo on page.

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Nine at the bottom last paragraph chairman mcmillan commented rather than comment.

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So I have one on five, uh the second, the last sentence. Instead of able to apply the handful.

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A lot I'm not allowed to apply the hammer hole.

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Okay, page five is that five.

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So I think we have a motion but I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes from the.

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uh October, the 15th.

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And all those in favor and anybody opposed and one abstention, yeah.

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Okay, thank you uh next item on the agenda is the conditional use permit application.

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Old business north mill, pond greenway area, one- is there anybody here to speak for that.

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Yeah, patrick hermann is here, and I can speak to it too, but that has amended the plan and.

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According to what we talked about.

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So I can start it off for patrick. We talked about this.

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At our, um what meeting was it at our october meeting? um We postponed it and then had a work.

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Session in november, to talk about a little bit more and and get some feedback from the.

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Commission that was to direct this, the scale of the boardwalk and the width of the path, as well as.

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Working to reduce other impacts on the site and so patrick redesigned the project to.

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Take those things into consideration and I'm going to pull up the plan now.

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Oh, it's not showing up here. What does that say on the screen.

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Here he comes kevin, we're getting a little technical difficulty.

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Well, it might be because of that update.

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Oh, it's not [ __ ] do I did I not do something here.

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Just hit share.

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Okay, my fault.

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Yeah where's the full screen, then you can scroll down to oh there. It is.

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All right thanks.

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Okay: okay, do you want to speak to this patrick, or do you want me to.

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Go ahead, go ahead, you're in a better position than I am sure, so I mean it. It.

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Peter mentioned it so you it sounds like you, folks had a good discussion last month, so we've.

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Made some adjustments to the plan uh based on that they're actually they're highlighted in.

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The cover letter, so my presentation is going to be pretty brief. It is the the three bullet.

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Items that I had put in that letter, um you know at the october meeting you folks had expressed.

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Concern with the size of the boardwalk, um so we have since reduced the scale of that um in.

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Fact, over half is as much as what was previously shown. You'll recall it previously. It's gonna work.

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It previously had kind of jutted out in this position around the tower.

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um It was over 700 some odd square feet, so it's since been reduced to just this little.

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Vantage point up out into the pond, um so the reduced impact is over 375 square feet from.

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The previous design and again that that boardwalk design does it contemplates a grating rather than.

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A traditional wooden boardwalk, so you're getting that light through the pier itself.

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And we're also using those helical piles to minimize the disturbance for the support of it.

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Number two uh you folks had expressed in october and discussed it further at.

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Last month's work session was the concern with the width of the path. So um you know the 10 foot.

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It's a it's a standard that we're trying to hold, particularly with um with the dual side, multi-use.

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Path, but what we've done is we've taken away those one-foot gravel shoulders um which were on.

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Either side, in fact, you can it's a similar d. It's basically the same detail. You can see when you.

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If you're familiar with driving in keys down grafton drive, that's a porous asphalt path so.

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It's basically the same same exact design as that, um and then third point was the.

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Existing trees, greater than six inch caliper will remain on site and we agree to that. We.

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Haven't done a detailed tree survey, yet that's something we'll have to go out and do and mark.

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Certainly in the vicinity of the path those trees would need to be removed. If there was anything.

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Related to some of the grading that impacted the health of the trees, those are need to be removed.

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But um we know that you folks are trying to keep those larger norway maples intact, the greater than.

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Six-Inch caliber, so we agree to that so that that really is the summary of the changes to the plan.

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Yeah just to point that out on the we didn't the the engineer, hadn't.

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Surveyed every single tree out there right so we're gonna make every effort to protect as many.

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As we can of those, but there may be some grating that causes damage to them, so we don't want to.

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Leave them if they're going to be impacted.

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There'll be like oversight from you on this or yep.

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Okay, uh patrick, there was a question from a member of the public about the surface of that walkway.

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It's it's metal, they had a question of whether or not it was slippery or not.

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uh Because there's no rail on it, you know.

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So the grading yeah uh I I wouldn't think that it would be where it's a porous horse. The way.

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They design it that they, I think they punch up the the bottom. So there's a little relief and.

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The edges of those catch, your shoe there is some traction: it's not just a slippery metal.

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Other questions, commissioners,.

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um I had a couple of questions. One was.

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On c101, it says, are you going to be removing the no digging and the no trespassing signs.

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I know that there's.

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No pond there's a lot of issues with digging.

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So I didn't know if that was going to be replaced somewhere else.

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We're happy to have you stipulate to work with the city staff on the appropriate signage, to ensure.

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That that doesn't occur, and then no trespassing is that just are we being unfriendly if we.

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We can't keep a no trespassing sign out there if it's a city park.

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That was out there to stop the digging that was happening when it was owned by granite state.

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Minerals, so um so just maybe the no digging, but we can incorporate that into the signage.

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My other question was.

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And this also came up with a comment that we received a comment letter, but um was the concern.

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About a little bit about geese in the area, because I know that there's another restoration project.

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That is having a problem with geese, okay, um and that the large area of the red fescue might be.

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Something that the geese are going to be attracted to and if there's a way to kind of mitigate that.

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um Either you know to to reference the letter that we got for comments. There was a lot of good.

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Suggestions of isolating out areas within that red fescue to have more uh focused seating areas.

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Rather than a like a lawnish kind of area, okay yeah- I mean we're certainly open to that again.

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Mike derosa who's, the environmental scientist would be more apt to answer that question, but.

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We're happy to have a stipulation that we look into that such that we seed it appropriately to.

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Try and minimize the geese yeah and to limit the the open area where geese might be attracted to.

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um With maybe letting have you know, sort of a more of a natural seed mix or something.

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Where you can, I don't know if that well we're going to work with um des we, we got funds to.

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Do this living shoreline project yeah, and so they really are going to be focused on how we.

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Do that because they've seen that geese impact at other sites so um we'll certainly be working on.

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That as part of it, we don't want to lose the salt marsh vegetation to the geese so yeah. I.

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Know they've had to do it over on the cutsco site. Okay, yes, andrew just more of a point of clarity.

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So is this chain-link fence running the entirety of that guideline, and what does that look like.

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uh I might be getting my illustrations mixed up, but I'm just no it's it's just a silt sock. It's.

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An erosion control, there's no fence, are you talking about the thick line with the circles.

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Yeah yeah, it's a it's uh two rows of silt sauce got it. Okay. Thank.

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You other questions or comments from the commissioners. I know there are.

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Are there any of the public that was here to speak to that at all.

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Or on zoom, oh, we have a zoom. Thank you for asking uh nancy johnson raised hand. Let's see.

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Okay, nancy, can you hear us.

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Nancy johnson.

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Okay, can you hear me yep? We can hear you okay. I want to thank the conservation commission.

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And peter and patrick, this is, um in my opinion, a much improved plan.

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And I think it will come out very nicely when it is implemented.

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um The path is much better being having the gravel in the sides. The viewing platform.

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It's smaller and relocated. I think that is super. My only suggestion would be the maybe.

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Some of the red fescue could be replaced with a conservation mix which has wildflowers in it.

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And in places things like our fall aster, which is a beautiful plant and flowers well into the fall.

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It's one of the last plants for the pollinators and is easily mowed down when the mowing is done.

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So those are my comments and I thank you very much for these changes.

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Thank you. There's no other comments. Sorry.

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She's still on, I think, that's it yeah. Okay, um do anybody want to make a motion.

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Yes, I will make a motion to approve the conditional.

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Use permit application for the north millpond greenway a second.

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Thank you. Any discussion were there some conditions.

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Just raised now yeah, I think maybe that means.

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Incorporating no digging into the signage was one you could add, um reduce, look to repeat well.

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That was nancy johnson's, um but you would talk about the geese, so uh reduce the red fescue by.

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Adding some more um conservation, seed mix, planting in that planting area, yeah, okay and maybe have.

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Focalized seating instead of wide open, localized seating, yeah, localized, localized people.

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Localized seating, like a bench or something like different things, reduce seating.

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Or did you see it into one area or smaller areas smaller than this? Okay,.

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Yep, I was just going to say it's great. um You also move the boardwalk. It looks like over so.

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Because it was out on the point- and um I think that's a really great.

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Addition for allowing some of the wildlife to come into that point, so it's really nice.

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And still people be able to see. So, thank you sure. um So we want to uh motion to approve vote.

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All those in favor all those opposed and one of them, I'm abstaining, yeah, hello, okay, thank.

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You thank you. Thank you. I appreciate your time on us. I have thank you thanks, patrick thank you.

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Next item on the agenda is 960 sagamore ave anybody here to speak to that.

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I'm sorry it's 30 gosling road. I apologize 300 gasoline. I can't see with these glasses.

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300 gasoline, I'm all excited, I'm sorry.

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Before I start, does anyone want some hard copy of I've brought some copies of the plan set if.

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Anyone like hard copies, they should have hard copies. I can bring it up on the screen as well.

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If you want me to open a certain page, um just let me know I just have to open it.

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Do you have a specific plan you want me to go to or um on figure two which.

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Is the permitting plan set uh just because anyone has questions as we go through it.

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Bring up just to the front page.

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They have the paper copies yeah. I can go to this map sheet or I don't figure two further down.

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Oh, hang on, you don't see what I'm looking at. That's part of the problem.

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All right, so that worked yep is that right, yep! Okay, thank you for having us this afternoon. My.

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Name is lindsey white. I work for gza geo environmental I'm here this afternoon with.

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Both kurt nelson and elise ford, both with eversource energy. We are here for an upcoming.

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Utility pool replacement project in the city of portsmouth eversource is proposing to replace.

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Existing poles along the e194 u181 and the 3135 transmission lines, these three.

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Lines do run parallel to each other in the same corridor where the work is proposed. Eversource.

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Is proposing to replace a total of eight utility poles- and this includes one off of gosling road.

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Five off of borthwick ave and two off of greenland road and these poles are being replaced because.

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During routine line inspections, it was determined that these poles are significantly damaged and.

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Will need to be replaced to maintain the safety and reliability of the line.

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The one-off gosling and the five off of borthwick ave- these poles are all currently wooden poles.

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And have sustained damage through both woodpecker damage and also pole splitting and the two.

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Existing poles off greenland road are currently steel and are experiencing significant corrosion.

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And we do have photos of of those two poles if you're interested in seeing those um and so those.

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Are the folds that are needing the most that have the most damage currently will need to be replaced.

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The timeline for this work is proposed to start this coming february um and be finished up by.

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May, before the peak of the growing season consistent with similar eversource projects,.

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That have come before the commission in the city before timber matting will be placed in wetlands.

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And in wetland buffers to minimize and prevent running compaction in wetlands- and this is also.

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A best management practice recognized by the department of environmental services.

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So on the plans where you see the yellow hatching.

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That's where we have proposed timber matting and that's for access within wetlands.

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As well as work pad placement around the poles in order to stage equipment during construction.

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If you want to go too so this is the one pull off of gosling road right here.

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And on the next page we have the five off of four thick ave.

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Those ones are placed in pretty close proximity to each other.

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And then the final two on the next skip one more page and we have the two off of uh greenland road.

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And so once work is complete. Timber matting would be removed from the wetlands and the wetlands.

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Would be stabilized with a seedless mulch to allow for stabilization, eversource and gza. We have.

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Coordinated with the natural heritage bureau for rare species reports- and there are some rare.

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Plants in the vicinity of the right-of-way, however, with the timing of the project.

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They were okay with us doing using timber matting as a best management practice through.

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These wetland areas and we're also in favor of not putting a specific seed mix down and fear that the.

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Seed mix that would be used could be could out, compete some of the natural seed bed vegetation.

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That's in the wetlands and so at this point we're proposing to stabilize with a seedless mulch.

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There any questions any questions. Thank you. Any questions from the questions. Yes,.

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Will machinery or tools be left on site when you're not there off like during off work hours.

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They cannot be left in wetlands, so they would not be left on the on the matting. Okay.

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Yep it'd be the temporary for the work pad and access.

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There'll, be some vegetation, that'll be impacted permanently, where you're putting the.

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Poles, yes, the so the poles do get offset slightly from the original pole, location.

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So there are footprints where the poles are going in.

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I had a question about your timeline from the proposal. It says march early summer.

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And you mentioned february to may yes, so it has been uh more concentrated in the in the.

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February to may time frame and you're doing it earlier, because that was a huge question I had.

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Because you also mentioned uh in the proposal about moving the amphibians and um other.

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Critters, that might be impacted by you coming and going in the roadway and and things like that. It.

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Seemed like, can you just do it earlier? You're still, gonna have you're still gonna be there at.

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A critical time, but yes, and what what happens is eversource, has an environmental monitor, go out and.

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Monitor on the timber matting for um any species, turtles or snakes that might be basking in the sun.

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And taking advantage of uh the nice platform and make sure that they're moved off of those.

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Ahead of any equipment rolling through so ahead of any equipment running rolling through but.

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It'll be at a critical time during spring that most of the amphibians are moving around a lot.

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Is that how do you take that into consideration? um Do you know or do they move them once and no, I.

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Mean if each time that there's equipment coming through they'd be looking ahead to make sure.

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To move any species that are there, okay, where do they relocate them to just off the off the.

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Mat into the wetland system: that's there, okay! So how many proposed access points? Are there.

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There are a few here, I'm just trying to get a sense of where those may be and how many there are.

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I'm sorry so it says, for example, photograph number one southeasterly view proposed access in the.

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Hundred foot wetland buffer and then photograph number, six or yeah westerly view proposed access.

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In the 100th buffer, so are those all the same access points or how many different access points.

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Are we discussing so we see the yellow line, um that's the access road that would be going through.

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um And so that's that's where we say along the proposed access. um They just point to different.

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Locations where we have the proposed access running through that area, so it is configured yes.

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We have three entrances off three different roads and access continues through those that helps.

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Thank you anybody else. Anybody want to make a motion. Another question uh in the area where.

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Your access road crosses hodgkin. Brook. What do you do? Do you what's the construction around that.

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I believe you said the yellow this yellow.

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Well, that's what I'm saying is this is the on the left where hodgkin brook is.

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Comes down there is that that yellow line is the access road.

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Oh, so, okay, so there's no work proposed at hodgkin brook.

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um That's the right of way boundaries! That's the corridor! All right! Sorry about that.

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Anybody else want to make a motion.

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And uh discussion.

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I just want to mention that timeline again, since it's not in writing.

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The february to maybe february to maybe I think it has to be a condition, but it's just.

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uh That's the of course, intended time frame if there's emergencies or something that.

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Takes crews away for any reason, it does get altered a little bit just want to mention that.

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But it would be that would be the target time frame. Thank you. Okay, all those in favor for those.

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Opposed and okay in one of the seconds motion passes. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Next item on the agenda is 9.67. Thank you.

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Thank you. You want to introduce yourself. Yes,.

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Small little table here, my name is corey belden with altus engineering and I'm here with.

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Eric cates tyler ruger, alex cates from.

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Sagamore corner llc, the owners of the property and robbie woodburn from.

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Wood burning company, the landscape architect, so.

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We don't have the plans on he's working on it, okay, so this project is for the for 960 sagamore.

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Avenue this is the uh probably probably knows the site of the the golden egg.

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Former golden egg restaurant: the proposal is for a six unit, uh residential building on site.

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Did you say that this has a pointer on it yeah the little one.

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A little button yeah.

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Thanks thanks, there's a little bigger. That's the site plan. Tell me what plan you want do.

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You want a different one um start with the demo plan, which should be c1 the first one.

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um So this site is a little bit uh over or I'm just under one acre in size and there's about 400.

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Square feet of wetland in the southeast corner of the project, there's a little triangle of the.

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Parcel that sticks out and actually captures captures a small small piece of um of wetland.

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To a larger complex in the south, so the 100 foot buffer line that extends uh kind of following it.

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Here, through through the property and currently in that 100 foot buffer, there's approximately.

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750 square feet of gravel parking area and an above ground propane tank in that area. So.

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If we can, can I get to the next one or sure.

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Good, so um now going all the way back to you know when we're doing the zoning application.

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There was actually a piece of the the corner of the proposed building was actually.

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Extending over into the buffer area and the rear parking lot area that we had was configured.

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Differently and was extending also into the 100 foot buffer area. But um you know the the the.

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Owner of the property was was very adamant that we wanted to keep all structures and all parking out.

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Of the 100 foot buffer, so we rearranged, we shifted the building, we realigned the parking and did a.

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Different configuration to keep everything out of the 100, the 100 foot buffer. We went through.

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uh Tech, actually, we had a, we had a tap work session and then attack um hearing.

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Yesterday, uh through the attack process, we've also, we were proposing to underground the.

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Propane tank in approximately the same location which was within the buffer, but we've moved that.

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Completely out of the buffer as well so current plan right now um we're moving basically.

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Everything out of the buffer, seven reduction of over 750 square feet of parking, gravel pavement.

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Area and the only thing that we do have in the buffer is a very small 10 foot by 10 foot patio.

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Area for that would be for the residents. This is a a nice lawn current lawn area that will be.

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A good place for the residents to go so we're putting in a little a little patio for a grill.

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For the residents to to be able to have some outdoor space so again through that process, we.

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Had a this was not a tourist patio area, but we've also changed that to be a porous patio so really.

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The overall project we're keeping everything out of the buffer moving the propane tank. Getting that.

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Out of the buffer as well reduction of 750 square feet and only putting in a 10 by 10.

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Porous patio area in the buffer, I can go into a lot of the other details on the site, but there's.

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um Over 8 000 square feet of reduction in impervious area because we're removing all of that.

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Parking that front sagamore avenue that will all be removed and turned into grass area. So there's.

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Significant improvements, providing stormwater treatment to a site that does not have any.

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So uh really storm water, wise. I and uh there's uh significant reductions.

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In peak flows, treatment where none exists and we think we've really um we're really trying to.

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Provide a better mint to the area with this project.

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I think I can kind of oh one other thing.

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There's also we're also going to be going to des for a shoreland permit. So, as uh shown on this plan,.

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There's the wetland but sagamore creek is across the road across another property. On the other.

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Side of um you know the sagmore bridge. We know where it is so we're in the 250 foot buffer for.

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Sagamore creeks so um again we're we're going to be submitting a um a shoreland permit for that.

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uh Which? Again significant reductions in impervious area within the 250-foot buffer.

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And again, providing treatment, reduction and flows to the current storm water there's one area and.

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It's hard to see it's uh oops if you can see where I'm pointing right down here. This line right here.

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That is the 100 foot buffer to the shoreland shoreline buffer, and that is.

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uh That area is completely within the city's roadway right-of-way. It does not extend onto.

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The owner's property, but we're trying to confirm with both des and with the city if.

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We have to apply for a wetland permit for removal of approximately 235 square feet of pavement.

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Within the buffer within the 100 foot shoreline so anyway, we just have to uh confirm that, but that's.

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Possible as well, so if you want, I could go through the um criteria for the wetlands conditional use.

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Permit or we can just open it up to questions, I think we could open it up for questions. If that's.

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Okay, sure um anybody have yes, yes before. I just have a question for clarification, because the.

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Soil report it's described as being on the corner of sagamore and wentworth, which I.

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Think is the parcel adjacent. Is that owned by the same.

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It was, it was um the in the soil report was done for both this parcel and the parcel adjacent to it.

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So it was done for the entire entire site and that's why it was.

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Called out that way, but that parcel is no longer it's. It's separate from this project correct.

E

This may be in here, but is there a total square footage of the proposed development.

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The proposed uh building development.

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uh Like this buildings, the building size is that what you're looking for like? Yes, please.

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um Yep 42 930 square feet of land area. What is the building development area.

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I don't know if I have the building the exact building development area. um Let me just.

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Coverage, the building coverage is listed on that plan. It's 17.9, but I don't see a footprint yet.

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So, let's see I have the on, uh if you have the full plans on the first sheet of uh architectural plans,.

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It has the gross floor areas, so the first floor of the building is seven thousand and ninety seven.

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uh Seven thousand ninety seven square feet. Can you say which.

E

We don't have that plan, I don't believe uh yeah right there on the bottom left. uh That's not new!.

D

Second, to last page of the package.

E

I don't have that paper. Yeah you're, just really thin.

C

Evidently, that would be nice.

C

um So I think in the drainage report we also have.

J

Have we talked a little bit about the numbers as far as the.

J

Proposed impervious area.

J

There's rough numbers there's in the back parking layer really we have our building.

J

And we have our rear parking area, there's a little bit of uh there's very little sidewalk or.

J

On the project there's some uh the two driveways, the back porous area is about 1800 square feet.

J

um Of course pavement that we're using for treatment on the driveway area so.

J

But again I don't have the exact, that's fine. I was trying to get a disturbance.

J

Area outside of the wetland yeah, these help a lot. I was trying to get a contact.

B

um I know it's all laid out here, but can you just kind of help me visualize.

B

What this is gonna look like like if you're facing the building with the retaining wall.

B

And that building sitting there compare, you know like height, wise and.

B

Is it gonna, you know yeah, so, let's see the compared to the street. Are we going to be.

C

The lower right elevation is your.

J

Is your street view? um Looking at the the grading plan, we have uh uh it's set back.

J

Quite quite a good uh distance from the from the roadway, so we're about.

J

uh It's 36 feet to the to the bump out from the edge of the pavement of the road, um so.

J

It's about 40 feet really to the face of the of the building. There's there's some bump outs for.

J

um You know in the building the um just just after the right of way we're put.

J

We're constructing a small uh retaining wall to sort of have that separation between the road.

J

It's about midway between the building and the edge of pavement of the road and starting at the.

J

Well, the building finished floor is about is at elevation.

J

31 we're at 25 at the high end of the road and the road is sloping.

J

Down as you go from the towards sagamore grove so finish, floor will there'll be a you know.

J

It'll be 40 feet back, but it'll be about um what would curb it'll, be four and a half feet or so to.

J

The finish floor higher so it'll slope, up with a small retaining containing wall in that area. That.

J

Gives you a good picture of what uh what it would look like? How high is that retaining wall gonna be.

J

uh Starting out at the south end, which is the right side of the elevation, it's only about a foot.

J

And then it gets to be about three feet as you three to four feet as you get to the to the.

J

To the low end, sorry to interrupt, I have all of the conditioned use plans, but I don't have.

E

The actual architectural plan- so you guys, are missing this because I have all of them.

E

So you guys probably want to look at that as well.

E

And architectural stuff, thank you that was helpful. It's answered on that sheet as.

C

Another well yeah, that's the only thing I had in my packet. All of your coffee, sorry, corey.

F

I have a note to check with us- and this is a two-story building uh similar to the building.

J

It will be a little bit higher because, with the ground level parking the first floor is a little.

J

Bit elevated above ground, but it's still not significantly higher than the existing building.

A

Thank you. um I wanted to ask a question just about um whether or not there's any tree removal or.

A

Vegetation removal, um I think there was something in mike's about invasives, maybe, but I'm not sure.

J

um You know within the site we just have. uh We have some very minor uh tree removal and robbie. I.

J

Don't know if you want to talk about it, but we're trying to really preserve as much as as much as.

J

Possible there are some uh some trees located um if we go to the site back to the site plan.

J

So we're really trying to preserve the trees in this area of the project. There were some.

J

Some trees again nothing of significant value in this area area where the parking is going.

J

But really there's not a lot on on the existing site that we're being removed. A lot of the site is.

J

Actually parking the existing site is pavement, uh gravel parking area building again with that over.

J

8 000 square feet of reduction. You know all that area is previously developed, so we're converting.

J

A lot of that to green area for the project. Okay, so you won't, you won't be going down in removing.

A

Anything in the in the buffer either. So is there an opportunity where you're putting the maybe.

A

To add some a little bit of vegetation along the edge, because there is that buffer is pretty much.

A

Tall trees and um any opportunity to put that like where the people are sit, yeah seating area.

A

That you have, or whatever I know that that was something that the city staff put in their memo.

F

Yeah at the edge of the lawn area, yeah transition doesn't have any plantings there. So.

J

um So I mean currently what we're all we're you know what we're proposing in the.

J

uh Actually, if you want to, can you go to the landscape plan? There's a.

J

J

Yeah, so that's it so yeah, so we're adding a significant um and robbie can probably talk.

J

To this uh a bit more than me, but we are adding some uh plantings uh around the the front and.

J

Side of the building writing some trees in the back. We're trying to preserve the tree line here.

J

And again, this small flat area, that is in the back, where we have that lawn area that we're.

J

Trying to keep a small piece that is accessible to the uh to the residents for a little patio.

J

And gathering area, so um we don't are not currently proposing any additional planting in.

J

This area, as you can see it's quite a small area as it is, and um you know trying to to deliver this.

G

Around the perimeter around the furniture of that of that wrath area.

G

Along the river, but there's nothing along the back. It looks like kind of a natural uh there's. Some.

G

High spots that seem to kind of separate from the wetlands, but that's what I've had a little.

G

Bit of a low spot, so I think we're saying if there's an absolute lashes in there, it would help.

G

Separate that area and his at all control between that and the wetlands.

K

So um my name is robbie woodburn, I'm a landscape architect. I thought I'd jump in for a second, the.

K

The paved area there is only 10 by 10, so imagine a grill there and a couple people.

K

Standing around the grill, that's what that is, and currently it is a sort of grassy lawny area and.

K

The way the topography works, you're you're you're, looking down a slot down into the.

K

Woodland which it's it's got some nice character could, if you're going to be standing out there.

K

Cooking, um we did not put anything along the edge from at the moment currently, mostly because.

K

It's a nice place to look into the woods, so I mean we're. Certainly.

K

Can add to that if you, if you direct us to do so, um but it's meant to be very simple.

K

And stay serving keeping the way it is, except for that paved area for the grill.

A

Okay, thank you.

D

I have a question for the applicants. um You've got quite a bit of grass on on this.

D

Lot, you know in total in plantings, would we be willing to follow.

D

Organic land management practices on this property. There's an outlet called the northeast organic.

D

Farmers, association, nofa and they have the set of standards. It's like 68 pages. It's extraordinarily.

D

Flexible, you know it really is. I think we have some standard notes that we've put on and from.

J

Previous requests to do that as well, so I think great we'd be fine, adding those to the plan yeah.

C

E

I have more of a commentary, but that's it.

A

For later yeah, okay, I was wondering about lighting in that patio area lighting in general. There might.

A

Have been something in the plans I apologize, it was there there's um so there's only one.

J

um Proposed street light light pole for the project, we're keeping it it's just to light.

J

That again, that back um parking area, the the pole, is actually right in the corner. It's staying out.

J

Of the buff, the um buffer, it's um and but that's, there's one exterior pole for for that area.

J

um They'll be building mounted lights to light the doorways and entrances, and we have.

J

One little bollard lamp on the um the walkway that leads down out of the building down into.

J

Towards the ada parking stall, there's one ballard light one street light, so I believe.

J

It's a 14 foot light, so it's you know: dark sky, um compliant and and all that okay, it follows there.

J

Is a lighting plan? I think it's the next sheet. Actually, if you didn't want it, okay, the previous.

A

That's right, I remember seeing one for somebody so the light the one light the one street light.

J

The one is right there, okay or sorry right over here, the corner of the parking.

J

And then a ballard light on the walkway down to the ada parking stall. Okay, all right! Thank you.

A

Any other questions we could do of those I mean emotion. Anybody want to make a motion.

E

I'll make a motion. uh I've.

E

Moved to approve the conditional use permit application for 960 sagmore avenue.

C

With few conditions, um I think it's important to have a delineation or some sort of distinction.

E

On that 10 by 10 patio, where it's highlighted that somebody is a budding directly or budding.

E

Sensitive land, sensitive wetland, sense of conservation land, whatever you want to.

E

Designate it as it would be nice to show please be respectful of the land around.

E

You, even though it extends beyond the exact property line, having some sort of sign placard.

E

Illustration that says, please be mindful of what is around you.

E

um So that we're not contaminating it contaminating that at any point.

E

So, however, you'd like to wear that and then along that stone, the existing stone.

E

Wall and along the existing tree line there or the vegetation line, maybe including some.

E

Native plantings and native species that may make that more robust and more of a.

E

Again, a buffer that people can identify really easily so that the runoff or any sort of change in.

E

Terrain right behind that building does not affect the wetland buffer in the future.

E

It can be whatever the suggested amount is just a nice buffer at that.

C

Okay, is that clear, as mud.

A

Along this stone wall and behind the seating area, is that what you're saying right so on that one? No.

E

Where it has uh the existing stone wall to remain.

E

That extends pretty deeply into that 100 foot buffer, and so I feel as though having plantings.

E

And visual representation of sensitive land right there would be nice on the edge of the buses.

E

I'm looking at the cup1, it's highlighted in orange and red.

F

Okay, so, along here correct and along here, correct, okay,.

A

Okay, um so anybody thank you. Anybody want a second bat.

C

I'll second, that discussion.

B

um I would just sort of concur with what andrew said that I think, if we can, whether.

B

It's part of the condo docks or signage, or something just make it very clear to.

B

Future residents that they are sitting on the edge of a very important wetland and near the creek.

B

That would be really important to make sure that they are mindful of that.

B

That it's part of the plan for taking care of this parcel in the future. I would say I.

B

Do appreciate that you know you considered the lighting and you actually have snow removal on.

B

Your plan, which is nice, that's outside the wetland buffer, so I do appreciate the effort in trying to.

B

Make sure you considered some of those pieces um when you were designing this, so thank you for that.

B

Thank you yeah. Likewise, I think that's great. We just want to make sure that future residents.

E

Wherever they're, coming from, if they're from out of town and unfamiliar that they know.

E

What they're sitting next to, and so that's how we want to steward our property in the future.

K

You guys have pretty much already said it, but I just really want to say it's really nice to look.

K

At a first plan, where it's out of the buffer zone for the most part, so thank you it's I.

K

Don't see many of them when I'm looking through the city uh cup stuff, so thank you anyway. Thank.

C

You yep definitely it's a good good application. um uh We want to go to vote all those in favor.

A

Thank you very much thanks. Can you bring the egg back? I could actually walk to that restaurant.

B

Always going to be known as the golden egg.

A

Our next applicant is 12th roof street anybody here to speak to that.

A

um Do you want to make a motion.

F

That's a homeowner applied and I don't know if they didn't get. I don't know. Oh, it was a pad.

G

It's just a hit.

C

Yeah it's up to you guys. Typically you don't hear it. It's just such a small one.

F

And typically, we don't hear it okay. Well, I guess it depends on the process, usually they're a lot.

F

Bigger than this, so it's up to you guys what you want to do. If you want me to relay the comments.

F

And then make sure they're at the planning board. I can do that, but um I'll leave it up to you.

F

I should have known to come, but they might they're not heard or not got them.

D

Well, this is one that I you know, I looked through it and I said.

D

Well, this certainly should have nofa standards applied to it. You know they should apply for.

D

Organic land management practices for it. That's one thing I was raised when it first came up. Yeah.

D

But the other part of it is environmentally they're doing the right thing. They're going.

D

To a heat pump, so you know there's some there's environmental benefit in this proposal. So that's.

F

Yeah as well, the heat source is a backup, the natural gas they have an oil plank.

F

Now, they're moving, so it is a big improvement from an environmental standpoint more globally.

F

And the impacts are mostly temporary, but yeah does they're trying to get it done.

F

So they can close, so they close on the cell sale of the house. I I did have a question.

A

About sort of bmps for pre-construction, or I mean, if you want me to to follow up or you.

F

Can make a motion and put a stipulation in and that'll go to the planning board so just find.

C

Its advisor to the planning board, so anything you want to put out, we could put nofa and bmps.

F

Or, what's up with you guys how you want it, how does everybody want to proceed? You want to.

A

Go ahead with a motion with some stipulations to improve, or you want to post one okay.

A

um Anybody want to start with that motion I'll, try, okay, free to interrupt.

B

I will recommend approval for the or I will make a motion to recommend approval for the.

B

Conditional use permit application for 12 ruth street with the stipulations that they follow.

B

Nofa standards and land management care, and I missed the second one.

G

Yeah providing the vmp's foreign.

F

Right, local standards and bmps anybody want to second that.

A

All those in favor opposed.

F

Can't break my streak now.

C

Okay, so our next item is the state wetland bureau.

A

Application of business, zero, exeter street peas, aviation car.

A

Okay, okay, hi hi, so you're here to speak to that, we are yes, okay, so we have a letter um which.

A

I think you're, aware of from one of the above us um I am sort of leaving it up a little bit.

A

To the commission to figure out how to proceed. But since you are here um and you're aware of.

A

That letter and they've asked us to postpone this. I don't know if you want to give us any.

A

Information or anything like that at this point, so I guess let me start so. My name is kimberly.

L

Peace- and I am the environmental coordinator for oil tanner and associates- and we are here.

L

To speak tonight, on behalf of the applicant, I was made aware of the fact that there was a.

L

Concern from someone about this project, I can say that we, this is a state well and application.

L

To department of environmental services- and we have followed the rules regarding the state's.

L

Requirements of a butter notification per the environmental wetland rules as their definition.

L

And a butter is someone who holds title to the land, not a lease e. We have correctly notified.

L

All of the abutters to the parcel, uh which are the majority of which are pdap's development authority.

L

um That a butter and someone who holds standing as in a butter is not a leasi. So as far as we.

L

Are concerned, all the abutters to this state wetland application were correctly notified.

E

Okay, that's because no one in peace actually owns land. I'm sorry! That's because almost no.

E

One in peace actually owns land they're all land leases. They did send out the butter notices in.

F

The application that was correct, other leases or no that today to the title of the abutting parcel.

L

Owners which were peace, development authority and if there were other abundant, I believe there are.

L

A few others in the application that were that owned the land, but alyssia does not own the land.

L

Therefore, legally, according to des process, so we don't have to notify ali see because they're.

L

Not legally the butter pda, if they own that land is the butter yeah, no okay, so thank you.

F

So, in terms of the state wetland permits, the conservation commission is advisory to the state.

F

But the process they follow for a butter notification is a state.

F

Part of the state application process is different than our city development application process. So it's really up to the state to determine.

F

You know that process and you guys can make a call either way. I guess on it, but.

D

Well, I would like to say I'm pretty familiar with peas in the ownership situation.

D

I actually spent quite a few years worrying about it. One point my life and it's unique.

D

You know you've got 99 year leases, even though they don't own the property. So it's.

D

Different than most applications and to be honest, I would feel most comfortable and providing.

D

An outlet for everybody in a fair manner that they did contact us and said they do have something to.

D

Add that I would ask that we postpone this until the very next meeting and uh and take it up then.

D

So that we do get the opportunity for the the abundant uh tenants an opportunity to weigh in.

E

If anything, it allows them to sit in on the public aspect of it and speak to it.

E

As a public member rather than a butter, but all the while, knowing who they may represent.

C

Okay, so you also have michael mates here from.

F

Pda, I don't know if he wants to speak to it or not, but he's okay listening.

A

Do we want to give him an opportunity now to have him speak to it before we put a motion sure.

F

Mike, can you hear me peter yep? We can hear you well good afternoon. Everyone.

M

My name is michael mates with the peace development authority, engineering department.

M

And um basically, what kimberly and peter have told you is 100, correct, correct. This is.

M

A state application we go by the state rules and accordingly, the state butter notification rules.

M

The concerned entity that submitted the letter uh is just a leasee on the parcel adjacent to.

M

The subject application uh they do not own the the land, um they have a building right.

M

I believe they describe the building, um but you know it's really up to you guys whether.

M

Or not, you want to hear it or not um we'll go along either way. Okay, thank you very much.

A

I just was gonna we're just not sure I'm getting it heard. We have to submit a an exten extension.

F

In terms of the state process, we have to request a statutory delay to get the recommendation to.

F

The state and we're not sure that the time frame will work. I think it's a 30-day delay.

F

But my understanding is so if they submitted the application. I think it was on the first when I.

F

Looked at the application form, um so I don't know if the delay is from the date you send it or the.

F

Day they submitted it, but 30 days from now from the first would be the end of december.

F

It wouldn't get you into the january time frame for your next conservation commission meeting.

A

45., I think it might be a 45 day, I'm not positive, and I should have written it down. Then we're safe.

A

I guess if maybe like we're really freaking out, we could have another meeting.

F

Yeah or we can ask the state to still consider the comments yeah.

F

I think that would be that's the way they they will. But, okay, let's do that.

A

um Okay, so does somebody want to put a motion on the table? Then.

E

I'm not entirely sure where we stand so I'm gonna, um so we're okay with we're gonna, hopefully be.

A

Able to still submit comments to des within that time frame and we're gonna go for that and then.

A

um You guys it's really up to the commission to decide if we wanna.

A

um Wait and do it postpone it or hear it today, yeah either or I know, there's been.

A

Some discussion so maybe there's an emotion that it's kind of waiting. Yes, sorry, I guess I I would.

L

Like to point out on behalf of the applicant that we are here to present the application tonight,.

L

And this was a legally noticed meeting to all members of the public, because you've received a.

L

Comment from someone who isn't technically part of a better process to the state wetland application.

L

We would just respectfully like to point out that we followed the state wetland.

L

Application procedures and that this person is a member of the general public, but doesn't.

L

Actually have legal standing to comment on the application, as in a butter per se,.

L

Okay, the commission is welcome to hear the public's comments.

L

At any point in time, but this has been a legally you know available and posted.

A

You could present now, but we, if we vote to postpone, then you would be presenting again later well sure.

A

um Kind of I don't you know, I don't know how this will go, but is that something do you want.

A

To present twice or do you want to no my, I was questioning the postponement, but if that's up to.

L

The commission to bring us back then, of course, we'll be happy to come back and talk about it.

A

Yeah I'll um I'm going to leave it open to emotion and commission see what happens.

D

Where do you make a motion? Yes, uh I'd make a motion that we uh postpone.

D

Action on the state wetland bureau, application for zero exodus, street 31 access street and 12.

D

Aviation avenue until our very next conservation commission meeting.

A

Okay, so that we allow full public input, I hear you on a butter thing.

A

A

Okay, any discussion: I don't disagree with what she said. I think they they did it properly and legally.

E

Accurate, I understand the concern, but at the same time they did show up here with their materials in.

E

The timely manner, but if if it is truly achievable to hear at next meeting, then that'd be great.

B

Okay, great, I kind of agree with that. I I would want the public to have their opportunity to.

B

Say something, but if they've legally done what they needed to and it's posted and.

B

Then you know if people weren't I mean if this letter is dated december 7th, so.

E

They must have known that it was going to be before us today. They also could have.

E

Shown up today and said the same thing verbally right: they're, not on zoom right.

F

Just double check, but I don't believe so nope just one so for that matter.

E

If it's dated december 7th, they knew about it, they could have come as well.

E

And their letters- maybe they're here- oh maybe they couldn't come.

E

Just making sure you're here um so I guess, is it part of the public forum that they can.

E

Comment on it, I don't know, the whole thing is rather unusual yeah, so.

F

I think if you guys want to hear him state their case before you vote.

E

Yeah I mean you might as well: it's water going up here: yeah, okay, I've heard one side of it.

F

Again, that's up to you guys, but okay, so we have a motion on the table to postpone.

A

And I uh we're discussing it and I am inclined to um let the applicant proceed.

A

uh Also, just for the reasons that you both have stated um and to listen to the applicant.

A

To the um a butter, but um so all those in favor of the motion, that's on the table.

A

Thank you and those opposed, and one abstention.

K

I was busy and I missed what we were voting on, because I this is a sort of an issue.

A

So the proposal was to postpone that so it's just okay, that was just the postpone.

K

That's the word I missed. um I would like to vote to postpone. Okay, okay, oh dear great, three, three.

F

uh So three three is a tie and it was another fail. So the motion.

F

The post bone fails because it's not the majority, so there's a motion: yeah okay, so the motion fails.

A

So now we hear them now we'll hear you, okay. Thank you. Thanks for your patience.

F

Oh okay, is it the same as your your application or different uh it's it.

L

Just walks through the application we can do it either way. No, I can put I can. I can put it.

F

Thank in for your patience.

F

L

L

Thank you. So this is just a quick overview. I just made a few slides for.

L

You to kind of review the application and discuss the purpose and need and what we're.

L

Doing here today, so again, my name is kimberly peace. I work for hall, tanner and associates and.

L

We're here on behalf of the applicant, I'm also here with sean kobe, who is the project engineer.

L

And poon, who is an additional environmental coordinator with myself? The proposed project is.

L

Construction of a fuel farm and a space operator or fbm facility at the portsmouth international.

L

Airport, this is the project location map. It is fully contained within the uh the boundary.

L

Of the pease international airport and pease development authority owns the underlying land.

L

It is immediately adjacent to the paved areas within the airport and it lies to the east.

L

And sort of northeast to some of the existing paved and developed areas within the airport.

L

Next slide, the applicant is p's aviation partners llc, which is also used as millionaire.

L

The property again is owned by pda and they will be leasing the property to.

L

P's to millionaire- and it consists of installation of a new fuel farm, an fvo which is a fixed space.

L

Operator facility, which will have hanger space and office administration space.

L

So fbos is kind of a term that gets thrown around a lot, but in this case it will be a building.

L

That will contain these this these operations and then there'll be a slight shift of the.

L

Existing airports, wildlife fence, in order to shift it around where the areas of development.

L

So next slide, so in the preparation of the application, we addressed environmental resources.

L

um Fish and wildlife service, as you may know, northern long-eared bat is identified in this area.

L

Of new hampshire, um we will have some minor tree clearing. It will be consistent with the endangered.

L

Species act, 4d rule, which means we'll have no tree clearing in the months of june and july, and.

L

That's part of the review for the us army corps of engineers, but we we addressed that as well.

L

There were no species identified during the natural heritage bureau review. We do.

L

Not have the we don't know if we have invasive species out there, we didn't do an inventory yet.

L

But if they are encountered, they will be dealt with using the stage bus management practices.

L

Next slide: cultural resources: there are no cultural resources that were identified on the.

L

Property uh we will meet the water control, quality erosion control standards we'll be using typical.

L

Bmps for the project uh we will be applying for at this state des, as well as the army corps,.

L

General permit an alteration of terrain. Permit has also been submitted to des next slide.

L

These are just some photos that are showing what this site looks like. If you haven't been out there.

L

Taking a look at it from google earth, we have two main wetland systems. uh There is a wetland that is.

L

Facing east that's part of a large system, and then there is another site: that's off to the southwest.

L

Next slide again, these are two more photos, so this is facing west down exeter street near.

L

Where the proposed access entrance is going to be, and then there's another shot of the wetlands.

L

That's a little bit of a grass wetlands facing the southwest, which is the page airport, just.

L

On the edge of that photo so next slide, so the wetland impacts are very small for this project.

L

There is 38 square feet of temporary impact, 22.65 square feet of permanent impact. The total impacts.

L

Are 2303 which is 0.05 acre? These unavoidable impacts are the result of the access road from.

L

Exeter street that access road was pushed as far north possible in order to avoid and.

L

Minimize impacts as much as possible, there's also going to be a small replacement of an existing.

L

Drainage outlet that will have some temporary impacts and then we are, as I said, shifting the.

L

Wildlife fence, so those will be post driven polls, but we do account for the square footage.

L

Of just those, I think it's two or three polls where we'll shift the fence, so our next slide.

L

This is the impact plan. I know that you have plans in front of you to look at in better detail than.

L

Than what's here, but we do show that this here I don't know if you want to ask any questions.

L

At this point, I believe that might be the last slide, so you want to leave that up. If you want.

L

And I'm here to just answer any questions about the project.

A

Any questions and then there's more presentation, nope nope, we're all done. That's it.

L

Questions from the commissioners can you just if it's easier to see that the impacts are on [, __ ].

L

Plans c8a in your plan set, I don't know if that's easier, to put up instead peter, but that's.

L

Up to you, but if everyone has the plan set, that's sheet seat is what shows the wetland impacts.

E

Do you want to briefly just go into maybe more detail about the stormwater runoff.

E

I see that you have it noted here on c8a.

E

But just in terms of runoff uh containment of that runoff and how it is treated.

L

That is a great question. You want to answer that sean did the stormwater drainage design. Yes,.

L

Good afternoon everyone, I'm shawn toby the civil engineer for the project so with the site itself.

N

All the runoff from the road coming into the project goes into closed.

N

Drainage with catch basins that are offline, deep sump and then they go into a contact. Jellyfish.

N

Filter, which is a self-contained device that provides treatment, meeting des standards and.

N

There's so that portion of the road once that's treated, that'll, be discharged into the wetland.

N

The remaining portion of the site, everything pretty much from the wetland impact crossing.

N

Well, you got to grab the microphone if you leave the or don't speak away.

F

It's all right, just following the rules here. Oh I want everybody to hear you at home. Okay, so that'll.

N

All go into another closed drainage system. It'll be treated, there'll, be a large underground storage.

N

Tank that'll detain the water and slowly release it, and then that ties directly back into the main.

N

Trunk line that leaves the site, so all of the new development will never even enter the wetlands.

N

From the time you know, the rain hits the ground treated and then goes off site as it does now so.

N

It reduces a lot of chance for any contaminants to get into the wet ones in that area and then what.

E

About specific drainage in and around where those oil tanks are and any drippings or.

E

I don't even know leaks from that. Yeah is that in a separate system, or is that just in that tank.

E

Which is then sent off site yeah, so that has an additional method of treatment or containment with.

N

It so anywhere that the tanks are or that a fuel truck would be parked. That's all self-contained.

N

And then that drains into a specific storage tank so that if there ever was a truck or a tank.

N

For some reason, if a truck were to burst open a fuel to go everywhere, it would go into that.

N

Containment tank and it could be trapped right there before it got into the system.

N

And then, after it goes into that tank and then it's checked to make sure there's no oil in it.

N

It goes through an oil, water separator and then back through the same system of drainage.

N

On site, so it has a series of safe falls that would prevent it from going into the wetlands.

E

Thank you for explaining that yep. Thank you jeff, just to make sure I'm reading the plans correctly.

B

This proposed uh project, it sits at the 25 foot, wetland setback right. So there's a good chunk.

B

Of this that's within the hundred foot buffer, am I understanding the plans correctly, so uh these.

L

Are on the peace, development authority, property and as such, these are under the jurisdiction of.

L

The peace development authority, not the city's wetland jurisdiction, so they we have identified.

L

The 25-foot wetland buffer, as recognized under peas, development authority regulations right but.

B

Just for my own understanding, that's that this- that is the edge of a lot of this proper. This.

B

Project right, correct, the 25 foot setback sure is that, where the where the road comes across? Yes, yes,.

A

G

There, the fires that I say the ice cream, I see, I think, there's no de-icing plant in.

L

This area, we don't store planes in this area right here, the power half of the day. I think.

F

Yeah there's a glycol storage tank. I think listed yeah that that would be for the tenants.

N

To you know to gain access that material, but there's specific areas on the airport that.

N

Are designated for this project where de-icing can occur so there will be no de-icing in this project.

N

We've coordinated with pda and there are specific areas where that will occur, but not on this site.

A

And I just had a question: did you indicate where snow removal would be and how that.

A

Works on the plans. Well, I don't think we do we do we do so. I can speak to that. I think.

C

I think it's sheet c7. We have certain areas where that would be stored.

N

So those snow storage areas are um outside of any of the buffers or the wetlands themselves.

F

It's up here, if you want to point to it. Sorry, I didn't: have the planet yeah.

C

N

So up in this area, there's a snow storage, so that'll drain off through the woods and it's.

N

Got a series of vegetation it will go into before that gets into any of the wetlands.

N

There's another area kind of down here off the end of the paved apron.

N

And then there's another area up here by the fuel farm that would drain back into the vegetative.

N

Swale and those will also be coordinated and reviewed through the aot process as well.

A

E

Yeah, although it is under your p's jurisdiction area, I think, echoing, which.

E

Jessica had said about just being careful along that 25 foot line and then you you go.

E

As far as say, erosion control measures are to be inspected, weekly and after every half inch.

E

Of rainfall within a 24-hour period, so certainly just during this process and then in the future.

E

Knowing that someone is looking after that land because it is so close again, I know that it's in.

E

Your separate jurisdictional area, so it's fine, but again we just want to make sure that that.

E

Wetland is cared for during the construction process and then thereafter. Definitely thanks.

A

And I just had a question: you mentioned the invasive species, you don't know where they.

A

Are at this point um right, the contractor will have to identify those areas and.

L

As they can begin construction and prior to construction, and if there are invasive.

L

Species that are within the development footprint they will have to address those with an invasive.

L

Species control plan and that's just within the development footprint, not in the 25 foot, buffer or.

L

Well, in the areas that would be, that would be altered or developed. So yes, if we do have.

L

Impacts within the 25-foot buffer that would be addressed that will be included.

L

Okay and then just to clarify, that's it, someone who knows.

E

What invasive or native species may look like, not just a general contractor.

L

I'm sorry, but that was the question you had said. The contractor will.

E

Look at it prior to constructing correct, hopefully, that's someone who knows what a.

E

Invasive species or native planting may look like yeah. Thank you not just the actual person.

G

Head of the laws.

G

Right into the wetland.

L

Oh yeah sure so so what that is is there's two wetlands there there's one to the north and then.

N

The maiden one to the south, so two of those head walls there's a pipe that provides connectivity.

N

Between the two, because, right now, all the wetlands are kind of in a bowl there's. No, they don't grate.

N

Drain off anywhere on site, so that's going to allow that northern wetland to drain into.

N

This other one and then the other head wall is just the discharge of the treated water from the.

N

Access roadway and then I there is one additional head wall there as well. That's an overflow for the.

N

Wetland itself right now, that's how those wetlands drain when they, when they fill up their head walls,.

N

There or drop inlets that take the water off site to the closed drainage system. I mentioned earlier.

N

So that's just a replacement of the one, that's being impacted during the version road.

G

And half facing the three, the ones who was random, manhole and then into the wetland.

G

Take that correct they go into a drain manhole and then a treatment structure. The jellyfish.

N

Structure that I had mentioned before that treats it yeah, I'm not I'm not familiar with that.

N

Yep yeah, so it's it's a large concrete structure. The water goes into it and has a series of filters.

N

That almost look like jellyfish tentacles, so that's the name of that structure as the water.

N

Passes through all those filters, it catches all the pollutants, contaminants and it's a.

N

Very you know dense filter so that by the time it's done with it, it's it's captured all the.

N

Pollutants to a state standard, so it's the state standard, clean water coming out of that is that.

G

And replacement feather correct, yep yep those are maintained and within the aot report, there's.

N

A full inspection and maintenance schedule specific to those structures themselves as well.

A

Why are you connecting the two wetlands uh so as sean said, they they do as they if they overfill.

L

They will, there will be flow between the two of them, and so there was concern we didn't want to.

L

Block the hydraulic connectivity between those two um so as they're delineated. Currently they are.

L

Separated by a small strip of land that is upland, but um the road will elevate it slightly so that.

L

We didn't want it to go over the road, so we wanted that connectivity at high flow levels to be able.

L

To to still remain so, they aren't there's not a typical flow. There isn't a drainage channel. There.

L

It's just, as you know, during certain storm events there may be connectivity and um des would like.

L

To see us to not block that connectivity, so we want to make sure, because if they did then we'd.

L

Be going over the road and then there's you know, introduction of contaminants. It's just much better.

L

To have a pipe that goes through there and allows them to to equilibrate to what they want to be.

L

A

Any you questions.

A

Do you want to hear from the butter.

E

I guess it would technically be open to public. Yes, oh yes, thank you open it up to the public.

A

Thank you. You want to introduce yourself yes good afternoon. My name is jake marvelli with.

O

The law from hopeful phoenix warmly and roberts and I represent port city air. I was the author of.

O

The letter that was submitted to you yesterday largely that spells out our position on this.

O

That port city air is a lessee of the pda, the peace development authority and.

O

Generally, appease: that's how that works if you're on the base, you're, renting or leasing from.

O

Peace development authority for a significant period of years, one of the buildings that port.

O

City air leases is hangar, 229, which you'll see is directly above the proposed project, location.

O

As far as the notice, the abutters notice, my understanding is that that's an issue to take.

O

Up with the des, where the application originated, but to speak to that briefly,.

O

uh Port city air is a long term lessee of the directly abutting hangar 229 reviewing the.

O

The wetlands permit application that was submitted. There were some abutter notices provided to.

O

Other non-other entities other than peas development authority, such as spyglass.

O

Development llc, uh which we would understand to also be a tenant like port city air, so.

O

Our issue is that there there may be other tenants who were given notice and we were not.

O

We discovered that this application had been filed uh by happenstance uh on sunday evening.

O

And so we're fortunate to have enough notice to come and speak to you today.

O

The prop the proposed project location, as the commission sees uh it, involves wetlands.

O

It's at peace development where they are at peace, trade, port, where there was a history of.

O

Environmental concern this project location, has generated public interest previously during a.

O

Board application process with the peas development authority and I enclosed a copy.

O

Of a letter to the editor that was submitted as part of that process, which demonstrates that that.

O

People are concerned about what goes that could go into the water and the wetlands in that area and.

O

With the notice we did have uh it was it was too uh too close to this meeting for us to give it a.

O

Full engineering review, but port city air has retained eric sorry of altus engineering to.

O

Review this, if we are given the opportunity to do so, to offer a professional comment on what you see.

O

I would note that a member of this commission has noted today that there is a glycol storage tank.

O

That's part of this proposal. There are fuel tanks that are part of this proposal. There.

O

Is a hangar and contemplated aircraft that will be coming into this area as part of the proposal.

O

And those are significant, potentially significant environmental concerns that warrant.

O

This commission's scrutiny before you make a final recommendation to des, and so I thank you.

O

For taking my comments and if the commission has any questions, I would be happy to answer those.

A

Thank you. Any questions from the commissioners.

E

No just a point of clarity not for you, but for the commission, construction and water safety in this.

E

Project location is an area of public concern. It's definitely a public concern, but it's not a public.

E

Or conservation commission consideration because, as she has just highlighted, this is in the peace.

E

Development authority jurisdiction so much of what you're highlighting, although it may be valid.

E

Is not the public's consideration? I am my understanding that correctly.

F

uh I don't know, I think, any wetland. Any wetland impact is potentially the public's concern.

E

I guess for sure, on the clarification for the scope of how we're reviewing this project.

F

Yeah, I mean typically on a state wetland, permanent application. This is a state, so this isn't the peas review of the application. This is the state wetland permit application.

F

So it would be based on their their requirements, so the setbacks, the ps has, is even more than the.

F

State the state would only look at direct wetland impacts in a situation like this.

F

Yeah, okay, but it would be uh from the state wetland application standpoint.

A

Thank you, okay! Thank you. Yes, you to yeah.

L

Thank you for letting me provide comment um again. Just to reiterate um the abutters list was.

L

Generated using the city's tax mapping and online um identification of ownership of parcels uh that.

L

Is per des requirements, and that is uh the way that we do all wetland applications with uh des.

L

So I the uh if an applicant was notified. They are currently listed as the title holder of the parcel.

L

And- and I would just also add that, as mentioned, we have submitted an.

L

Alteration of terrain permit to des so all of the stormwater review, including any potential.

L

Use by hangers de-icing, all of the pavement that is proposed and structures that are proposed are.

L

Included within the stormwater management plan and treatment, and have been appropriately addressed by.

L

The alteration of terrain application and we feel very confident that we have met all of the state.

L

Requirements to ensure that these wetlands are not harmed in this process. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

A

Any any additional questions, sorry based on that okay, does anybody want to make a motion.

A

Oh sorry is there: is there anybody else from the public here and not on zoom? Is that what you're.

A

Saying I I just want to make sure you ask that finally um I'll check zoom, but just to make sure.

F

uh Nope, no one's raising their hand.

F

So I think that's it. Okay! Thank you all right, so we're looking for a motion.

E

Is it a recommendation or is it an approval? It's.

F

A recommendation to the new hampshire des wetland bureau.

E

Okay, I make a motion to make a recommendation to the state wetland bureau for the application of.

E

Zero exeter street 31 exeter street 12th aviation avenue on behalf of the ps aviation partners.

E

As presented okay, thank you seconded on that motion.

A

I don't think we're gonna get a second.

C

Okay, I mean I'll. Second, it for discussion sake. I guess: okay.

A

Yeah, I'm probably putting us into a.

A

Cornering us in, but anyway go ahead. Second,.

A

Discussion well I'm trying to figure out- and you might advise me here, peter of.

D

So we would additional input from professionals and concerns that are raised.

D

uh Do they have to be raised here and then recommended on to state des or at the ds level,.

D

Can they raise their issues and concerns as well? I believe they can raise them directly with des in.

F

Addition to this venue here, in addition to this yep, I believe so they can write a letter to des.

F

And say you know, we have these specific objections, concerns in addition to this. This this board is.

F

Advisory to the state in the perimeter process, so we're just one of the the recommendations that.

F

They can get any men of the member of the public can comment on a permit that they see um yeah.

G

This ruling on our criteria, definition criteria, is how I say it is that.

G

You know as far as peers is concerned: that's a different animal, so yeah. So the right here.

G

And everything is the the hormones right there. Well, peace has their own criteria.

F

Out there and then the state has its own criteria. So there's three different sets of criteria.

F

And really, what pes is looking for? Is feedback that'll? You know either help the application be.

F

Better or stop them from approving the application because of specific concerns that you have or.

F

You know and they're going to ultimately what I always say to the commission is that you can you.

F

Can recommend anything you want to the to the des and they'll incorporate comments where they can.

F

But they also have to follow their rules, so at the end of the day, they're going to follow what the.

F

State statute and the des rules say for their for their permit applications. So sometimes it amounts.

F

To getting a bunch of conditions put in, um and issues raised, that might not have been raised.

F

Before so, I think that's a beneficial process that they get these recommendations from the commission.

A

Yeah so our advantage.

A

If, if we were to wait and hear from the butter would be that we would have know what their.

A

Recommendations are, or whatever that we could pass on in addition to them passing yeah and.

F

You know, I think the recommendation to des doesn't necessarily have to be to approve or deny. I think.

F

It could be, these are the considerations we want you to look at when you review this permit. You.

F

Might get more considerations at your next meeting if people want to come and give them, but they can.

F

Also give them directly, so that was the nature of my recommendation. Just for the record, I suppose.

C

Wait? What clark yeah the nature of my recommendation was so that we could attach.

E

Some conditions or stipulations that this board sees fit so that we can pass it along and then.

E

Again, everyone else can submit their own conditions coming from them as.

E

Well, whether it's in the butter, the public, whoever you want to wherever it comes from.

F

Yeah and you could- and you could also make it if you you- could recommend approval today. Yes, you.

F

Could recommend denial that, yes, you don't have to recommend either way or you could recommend.

F

One or the other and then whether you approve or deny we think these are important considerations.

F

So um you can add that or or you can yeah, I guess- there's a whole bunch of things.

F

That's how I see it okay, so we have emotion on the table and um so if, before I vote, I.

A

This I always have a hard time with the peas applications. This one um seems to be.

A

Mostly because we don't have the jurisdiction on the buffer um other than your 25 feet, that.

A

You guys voluntarily came up with a long time ago for some of the wetlands, and I find that.

A

That makes it just practically impossible to feel like anything's. Okay, in this situation,.

A

Because of the impacts that are going to be uh impacting the buff, not the buffer, but the.

A

Wetland because there is only a 25 foot buffer, um but so on. The fact that there are potential.

A

Potential for contamination from the site, financial potential for impacts to the water.

A

Quality and the wetland and there's no effort to kind of talk about restoring or enhancing.

A

The wetland at all- I don't know if I can vote in favor of this, so that's kind of where I stand.

A

And it's for I don't know if you want to add anything else to your.

A

I guess I can't go but yeah go ahead. Does anybody else have any other comments that.

E

They would like to chime in on well, I think I would just reiterate what barbara said. I'm.

B

Struggling with this application, um because of the reasons that she mentioned, it just seems very.

B

Intensive very close to the wetland and there's a lot of potential for contamination and essentially.

B

Issues to arise so and I yeah so at this point it feels very hard to vote for it as well.

C

Yeah, I'm sorry yeah. So uh what would the um proper process be? Do I have to rescind my.

E

Recommendation and then reattach those conditions to it.

C

Okay, he wants to attach the conditions to his. You can just add if you're agreeable to conditions.

F

Yeah, I'm agreeing agreeing that it would be nice to see some consideration for the.

E

Wetlands, whether it be additional plantings, additional structures in between the actual.

E

Development site and the wetland additional mitigation efforts around the wetland.

C

E

Improved care and cons consideration of the existing wetlands for future impacts.

A

So like improved best maintenance or best management practices,.

C

F

Are you saying, do you want to add those as stipulations to the.

F

To them to our recommendation, yes, as a recommendation, yeah.

F

Yep and so I'm not going to include anything barbara or jess said just those if you guys.

F

Want to add to them in what you said or if he's agreeable, you felt like I addressed.

F

What you said, then that's what I'm getting at yeah did he address what you were getting at.

G

So it's too close.

G

On the top of that, do you want it for clarification sake? Is this a recommendation.

B

For approval or not or just this is how we feel about this project and that's what we're going.

B

To send to I I'm looking at it as you'll have to vote to decide whether you recommend approval or.

F

If the motion to approve carries right, but even if the motion to approve doesn't carry, you can still.

F

Say you know the commission has these following recommendations because you're not deciding on.

F

The permit yeah right you're recommending how they decide on the permit right, but even if they.

F

Decide to go ahead and issue the permit they'll at least see your recommendations. That's my that's. My.

F

Understanding of how to work yeah can um I have a question um just about the 25 foot buffer zone.

K

The state doesn't have a 25 foot buffer zone. The city technically doesn't have.

K

It um but pease has it and how do they get to skirt? I mean, usually, if you get to, if you're.

K

Usually, there's the minimum, the state would be the minimum and and a city can make it more or and.

K

Then an association or whatever you know they can make it even more, but how do they get? How does ps.

K

Get to make it less legally they're, not making it less they're making it more. 25 is more than zero.

F

As a buffer, but not more than the city right, but it's a separate entity than this doesn't this date.

K

About the state has a zero wetlands setback, that's right! Unless it's in a title or prime wetland.

K

Okay, sorry for my ignorance on that. That's disturbing! But okay,.

D

Peas is a state-owned authority, so it's owned by the state technically and it the the board.

D

Of you know, the board runs it on behalf of the state, the board of directors of peace.

C

Okay, so that's why they're exempt from a lot of uh uh local regulations, but they have taken.

D

Stance to comply with regulations relative to uh uh inspections, uh standards and building.

D

Standards and uh things of that nature, so they're complying with our zoning laws for the most part.

D

But uh this this actually the wetlands one is one that it's a it's a glaring uh problem really yeah.

D

Because they haven't taken a strong enough stand to protect the wetlands, and maybe that could be.

D

uh Approval- and maybe that could be one of our recommendations with the state review.

D

And we asked the pda to review the 25 foot setbacks and we recommend that it be expanded.

D

So I'm throwing that out yeah well, just to be clear! That's that's fine, but to add on to that.

F

um The pda doesn't just have 25, they have 25 or 50.. They have a setback based on the wetland.

F

Itself that they established out there, so they have oh and mike mates, has something he wants.

F

To add, I think if you want to hear it from pda or if you just want to move forward, what's up jesus.

F

Do you want to hear from pda, okay.

F

Mike hi peter.

F

Did you have you hear me yeah? We can hear you okay. I just want to give a little bit.

M

Of background on how the peas development authority wetland buffers were established,.

M

We hired um gov wetland consultants, jim gove, to do an analysis, a function and values, analysis.

M

Of all the wetlands on peas and we identified the highest priority. Wetlands that have the.

M

Most functioning values and we identified all the way down to the lower uh valuable wetlands.

M

We then decided we would apply buffers based on those function and values, assessments.

M

Some wetlands on peas got a hundred foot buffers. Some got 50 foot buffers, some got 25-foot buffers.

M

And in some cases man-made wetlands don't have any buffers or, if you're less than a quarter,.

M

Acre, you don't have a buffer on your wetland, so we did evaluate all the wetlands on peas and.

M

Assign an appropriate buffer to them based on their function and values um that was established.

M

By jim gove, so it wasn't just you know: haphazard, applying uh 25 buck buffer here 50 football for.

M

There we looked deeply into each site in each wetland before the appropriate buffer was applied.

A

Thank you. I hope that helps.

F

Yeah yeah thanks for that clarification mike, so I think um so. You had conditions added to your.

A

Motion and just I are you, okay with the conditions you second with a okay sure, so any.

A

More questions or discussion before we vote, I have a technical question. If I second it do, I have to.

B

Vote to support it; no, no, I don't have to support it. Even if you voted to support it. Okay, I mean, if.

F

You've made the motion to support yeah. You don't have any other questions. No all those in favor.

A

All those opposed emotion fails. Thank you. So, six to zero and I'll.

F

We'll put a letter together for peace development authority with that recommendation.

F

I mean for the excuse me for des with that recommendation and all these comments that.

F

You made okay the list of comments that you guys put together. Okay, all right! Thank you.

A

Oh, my god. Okay, so uh do you want your? Can I just ask one more question.

L

Yeah, will you be you, will you be seeing this application again or are we complete.

L

We are complete right, yes, okay, yeah, I think so. Can I get your thumb drive back.

A

uh You're right, we don't really have an update on other than we're going to schedule a meeting well.

F

We wanted to schedule a meeting to talk about conservation because I I might have an update.

F

But I don't we're getting it, I'm ready to give it right now: okay, um but anybody that's talked to.

F

People or giving me feedback on the conservation land but we'll schedule a meeting to talk about.

F

Our next step with conservation properties, okay and I just have a just a piece of news- there's.

D

A politico publication called e and e, it's environmental news and there's an article.

D

That came out today and that publication is online check it out. It's unfortunate.

C

Yeah: okay: what is it called e and e? It's a publication of politico.

K

Okay, emc, like emc squared kind of yeah; okay, this, which is some.

K

I can't remember something to do with time and travel or something it stands for like environment.

K

Something you know, but it's a it's a it's a professional uh news magazine put up by.

D

Politico for people that are in government in environmental affairs, things of that nature.

A

Thank you. um I had one other business that and peter I meant to check with you on this.

A

First, but on the 16th they're doing an all boards, the climate.

A

The coastal adaptation work group is doing an all boards climate forward presentation. um It's at.

A

uh 8 30 to 10 in the morning I'm going to see if they're recording it do. They.

A

Usually record it and make it available, they usually do they usually do yeah. So.

A

It's the cultural adaptation work group and um it's called all boards climate forward, so.

A

I think it's I mean you know peter right, I don't know much about it. Unfortunately,.

F

That this uh I haven't been following it as closely um several who's, putting it on the culture.

A

um And I just know that they they have resources to help uh communities kind of.

A

uh Collaborate with all the boards within that community to work move forward on climate change.

A

I think it's mitigation and adaptation things and- and they have a few that have done that so.

A

They're, um I think they're highlighting specific projects, probably but yeah. I don't know the.

F

Details they should in the coast custom area. So um I I just I will send out the website december 16th.

F

At 8, 30., 8 30 to 10 and I'll, send it to, and it's a zoom meeting, probably right. Yep isaac.

A

But I was thinking with the new city council and all the talk about regulations that this.

A

Is a good time for us to kind of get our back together and figure out what we want to.

A

Be seeing in the future right right, so this might be a good resource.

F

They're a great resource, and that would be really helpful.

B

So you'll send us an invite or a link or something so we can try to connect to it. Okay, thank you.

A

Thank you. Thank you very much everybody. A motion to adjourn motion to adjourn. Thank you.

E

Is there a way that we can.

E