City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Conservation Commission, 12 Jan 2022

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1.12.2022 Conservation Commission

A

Let me know I have to do real call so yeah you have to do a roll call.

B

Okay, I want to welcome everybody to the january 12 2022, regular meeting of the conservation.

B

Commission we have two conservation, commissioners that are attending virtually samantha and jessica.

B

So we'll be doing roll call, votes for everything and other than that. The first order of business.

B

Is election of officers for the chair and vice chair? Anybody want to make a nomination.

C

I would like to nominate barbara mcmillian you, the chair and samantha collins, as the vice chair.

A

Okay, thank you very much and um yes, yes,.

D

Do I have to do a right hand? Well, I think they.

E

Have to deal with the first, the first action first and then the next and then yeah.

E

So I think it's just like a regular agenda item, so you.

E

When I'm, when a member makes a motion, that motion has to be dealt with so.

E

The nomination is a motion from allison and you just need a second on that nomination.

F

I'll second, if I can there's samantha sec in a second.

B

Chair and vice versa, chair, it's okay for the entire motion, samantha or just.

F

um If I'm allowed to yeah, it was made as one motion, so I think so.

F

Okay, then, yes, second, the entire motion. Okay, great, thank you. um Discussions.

C

I think you've been doing a great job and I just would like you to continue.

C

Both of you yeah, I think I'd like to say that samantha's been doing a great job.

B

So, thank you. Okay, um we'll do a roll call vote. Then there's no more discussion.

B

Can I say one thing barbara? Yes, um I just wanted to reiterate what allison said, but also, I think.

F

You do a great job, keeping the meetings on track and succinct, um while also getting.

F

Everyone's opinions and feedback heard thank you samantha and you're. An awesome backup too, on the.

B

Meetings- you've done so it's been really helpful to know that and getting your feedback um okay. So.

B

We will do a vote and we'll do a roll call vote so I'll just do it from here abigail. So I'm a.

G

Little confused because um so henry is going to nominate ted for chair and whatever, potentially so.

G

One want to know who is interested in becoming chair before you vote on one or the other.

G

Does that, and I mean he happened to say it, but otherwise we might not have known. Is that I mean.

G

Is this so it would go, you know I'm just I just understanding is the rules, robert rules of order.

E

Just to call for you dealing with emotion on the floor, so I guess the motion there could have been.

E

Discussion, but that started with emotion, so that motion is what we're dealing with right now: okay,.

B

All right, we want to go interesting, there could be more discussion and there was a second discussion.

B

If you want there's a second, so it's time for discussion, that's you know it's appropriate time.

E

um Yeah I'll I'll discuss a little bit because you know I've. I've been in local government for a long.

H

Long time- and I think barbara has done a fine job this past year, I just think I have a little more.

H

I would like to take the time and contribute more time to the commission, and I think I can do that.

H

More fully as the chair in discussions with others or property owner or things of that nature, I think.

H

It it's just one more tool in the toolbox that I like to use. You know it's not dissatisfaction.

H

You know, the other thing I could point out is that you know I pointed out last.

H

June that we weren't in compliance with state law, we have to do an annual report and I think.

H

In july I provided an annual report from uh the city of south portland what they had done.

H

You know as an example, so I think that I'd like, I think, there's more things that we can do.

H

And can accomplish and I'm willing to put my time into it and it's not uh uh it shouldn't.

H

Be viewed as a negative uh outlook in any way barbara. I just want you to know that you know.

B

Thank you ted, so anybody else want to.

B

Know I thought it was a better vote like whoever wanted to nominate.

D

Comment on anything, but I thought someone was around.

D

B

Yeah I mean I want to make sure that we anybody else want to comment at all. Well, do you keep.

G

On wanting to keep being chair, if you know that that somebody else is interested, so I.

G

Guess I'm curious about that um um yeah yeah. Would you would you like to remain chair or.

G

um You know, or were you just sort of staying chair because you know because no one else expresses.

B

um No, I definitely wanted to remain chair. I committed originally that I would do it for.

B

A couple of years, um and then so and my um so I would do it through the next year- would be just.

B

Over two years, if I did it for another year, okay, um that's what I had committed to in the beginning.

B

When I did it so sorry, I'm the newbie, so I'm trying no it's a good question. What's going on.

B

So I'm thinking robert's rules. If we follow through with this and see what the vote comes out.

B

Then you kind of know what the outcome would be if you were nominated um since everybody now knows.

B

That you're interested does that sure, that's that's sure. That's fine! I'm fine! Okay, yeah.

B

All right, christine, okay, we'll go ahead with the vote, see what the outcome of that is and with the.

B

Knowledge that people know that you're interested in doing it too. That's okay with everybody, um okay,.

B

So I'm gonna do roll call vote and we'll start with abigail. Oh god, I can start with something.

G

That's okay! Okay! So if I would like to support ted and not you sorry, then I would vote no correct.

G

Correct um okay, uh I will vote no, then okay, thank you. Yes, allison is yes. um Chair votes, yes, ted.

B

And samantha votes, I vote yes and yes,.

I

I vote yes, okay, so let's the motion passes: okay, four to three: okay, four to three: okay:.

B

Thank you thanks ted for putting yourself up there good tomorrow thanks you guys.

B

Okay, next item on the on the agenda is the approval of the minutes for december 8th.

B

2021, um does anybody want to make a promotion, and I know allison, you've.

B

Already, given your comments, yeah changes and I did too um yeah. I have one on nine.

D

Three and four.

D

That's all I have that's all you have anybody else.

B

Nope, okay, uh we don't have a motion, yet anybody motion to approve. Are you guys um justin? This.

B

Is gonna be tough because I can't see them. You can't see them here, I'll, try to make them kind.

F

Of I'm gonna, I'm gonna abstain because I wasn't at the last meeting barbara thank you and jeff you're.

I

All set I'm good. Thank you. Okay motion is to approve I'll, make a motion to approve the minutes.

I

Previous uh conservation commission meeting on december, 8th 2021. second, with the changes.

I

Made by everybody else, okay! Thank you. Second, oh second, okay,.

B

Okay, all those in favor, quick roll call abigail. uh Yes, all right, I'm not standing because I.

B

Wasn't here: okay, one extension; okay, yes, okay, to approve ted's, good jessica's, good good! Yes, yes,.

A

And samantha's abstaining and the chairs votes. Yes, thank you next item on the.

B

Agenda is the state wetland bureau, application, standard, dredge and fill for 231, 249 and 273.

B

Corporate drive from the p's development authority- anybody here to speak to that.

J

Good afternoon members of the commission, I'm dave defosis from public works.

J

I'm here today with phil mcdonald, he works for underwood engineers. Underwood engineers was.

J

Contracted by the city a number of years ago, at this point, for probably four years ago, we've been.

J

Working on this project to reconstruct corporate drive, uh we've been uh doing uh quite a bit of.

J

Investigation on um why corporate drive the entire so the let's start from the beginning.

J

The entire drainage system of corporate drive is flooded, so um underwood was was hired to to fix.

J

The drainage problems in corporate drive, we did a bunch of investigations as much as we could.

J

um And we came to the conclusion that the reason why the entire knocking entire but.

J

Certainly, most of the drainage system on corporate drive is flooded because the outfalls are choked.

J

With sediment, so, as you know, the pease air force base was built in the mid 50s by the air force.

J

And as far as we can tell, um the drainage systems were never maintained by the air force uh so from.

J

After years and years of plowing dropping sand and salt into the roads and then from all the.

J

Construction that happened over the last 20 years, building the peas development authority. All the.

J

Sediment has found its way in this. Neighborhood has found its way into these four areas.

J

And some of these culverts are so choked up that the literally where the where the ground is now.

J

Is that almost where the top of the drain pipes are? So the entire drainage system is surcharged.

J

To make matters worse, because this was all farmland and fairly flat, the original engineers.

J

Of the trade port, uh when it was the air force base uh built in underdrains under the roads,.

J

So that the soil would get drained and the roads will be able to support heavy loads.

J

So those under drains are also completely choked with water. So what's happening is.

J

All the water that falls basically is going into the under drain system and weakening the road bed.

J

Which is why corporate drive looks the way it does so moving forward. We've met with the wetlands.

J

People over at over peas, we've identified these four spots that desperately need to be dredged.

J

Back to original condition so that the drainage systems can function properly out in corporate.

J

Drive the the first two areas are fairly straightforward: they they act as culverts.

J

They're actually tied to the to the road drainage system as well, but they're, mostly culvert systems,.

J

uh The areas uh to the right of the sheet that you're looking at.

J

Which are three and four are the areas that um basically drain the lower part of corporate drive.

J

There are two outfalls in that vicinity- we're not quite sure at this point because everything's so.

J

Full of water, we can't really tell whether we need both outfalls or not. We think maybe the.

J

The outfall that's labeled, number three was constructed by the air force because uh number.

J

Four just ceased to work, um but we're we're here permitting the entire mess so that we can.

J

um Get these outfalls dredged after we uh get the outfalls dredge that'll, be part.

J

One of a construction contract and then we can go through and and figure out where the.

J

Problems are if there are any other problems in the drainage system, so we can actually fix.

J

Corporate drive, so funds have been I identified for this, we're we're trying to move forward and.

J

Expeditiously we'd like to do a construction contract this summer to dredge the uh the outfalls.

J

So that's basically the overhead view of this. I said I have phil mcdonald here from underwood.

J

And um if you have specific questions about each particular area, he can go through them. Thanks dave.

B

Questions from the commissioners, allison yeah. I have a a question because I'm very confused.

C

About the numbering in this, you have outlet area, 1, 2, 3, a and 3 b and then other places you have.

C

Labeled 3b, as outlet 4 and there are other places where you can actually find a 5 on the.

C

Documents, so it just makes it very confusing if you could delineate.

C

Where each of these things is, it would be appreciated. Yep I'll just go over here to.

J

The screen can you grab the microphone dave. Please right here, the folks at home.

J

So area one is here uh basically across the street from okaf number two is here.

J

It's directly adjacent to ashland road, which is the road that goes over and crosses the highway.

J

And then area three uh goes behind this uh modern corporate building. It comes out here and then.

J

Sheet four is actually outfall 3a, and that is the one that kind of comes out here at the end of it's.

J

The same building same lot: it's just their parking field, so it comes out there. Okay, they would get.

J

Outfalled behind their detention, pond five 5.1 and 5.2, were it looked like that was a with a culvert.

G

On the other side of harvey lake, um you've got stuff about that in the documentation, but there.

G

Are no drawings about any work being done? Is there no work being done? There is no work being done.

J

At this time, okay, the areas in question are the four that I just yeah. No, that that's.

C

Fine, that was my question. I was going to say that you know under the wetland delineation.

C

They have evaluation area, 5.1 and 5.2, and they didn't show up anywhere else in the document.

C

J

So um I should have identified that so as part of the design that I don't know, it's working on.

J

um We have to ask ourselves: how do we avoid this from happening again.

J

So um those of you who aren't engineers when water stops moving at two and a half feet per second.

J

That's when sediment starts dropping out of suspension.

J

So that's when it happens, and because this whole area around corporate drive is very flat. None of.

J

It is at two and a half percent, so it's always going to drop out of suspension. So we're always.

J

Going to have this problem so as part of the new design work that underwood will do once we get.

J

The dredging done, we are going to be installing either sediment bays at the head of the swale.

J

Of size enough in proximity to where we can get to them with municipal, the vehicular.

J

Equipment to dig them out in other areas where that's not possible, we're actually putting in.

J

Concrete sediment tanks and and that sort of thing, deep, sump catch basins to try to.

J

Capture the sediment and clean it out regularly before this happens again, so one that's very.

J

Very good question: hey, so one of the problems that, with these swales, is that a lot of them are.

J

Basically inaccessible to any equipment that we have, we have to hire contractors to go in there.

J

With track equipment so because they're they're, just in you know a couple of them, are you know.

J

For colloquial speeches I mean they're in jungle, you can't even get out there without a machete, so.

J

um You can only really walk out there this time of year in january, because the ground's frozen.

J

So we're going to try to dredge that and create create sediment bays.

J

For the outfalls and we're going to make sure that when we do that.

J

We build unloading areas, so we can actually get in there with equipment.

J

Every so often and maintain the areas without having to go all the way back out into the woods.

J

Again, if that makes sense, yeah yeah did you have a second part to that henry or you just.

D

As well, okay, some of the areas on the sides of the swells will get disturbed yeah and.

J

Those are shown on the maps yeah because we need to be able to dig. As you know, you were.

J

In the business yeah, so as you dig you get it, you gotta get. You have to truck the material.

J

Yeah, so when we do these in a couple of these uh long, swales we're actually gonna.

J

Create areas so we can truck in and out and then restore on the way out all right.

B

um And I have one from okay: okay, uh I'm gonna just do samantha, just because.

F

Yeah talking about these loading and access roads areas, whatever driveways, you wanna call them what.

F

Is that going to be made of how wide are they going to be? Generally, I know they'll, probably.

F

All be a little different um based on what you're trying to access. But could you just.

F

Give us a little they'll be registered, we'll be regularly naturally vegetated after we're done.

J

We'll just probably uh put some stone in so the vehicles don't sink and then restore that with a.

J

Little bit of loam so that we go back out there if we ever need to without sinking in and those areas.

J

Will need to get these swales need to get mowed regularly. So one of the things that you need to do.

J

With these vegetated swirls, so that is so that you don't make the situation even worse. Is you don't.

J

Want to let the woody growth grow up, so you know every one or two years. We should.

J

Go out there and and actually mow the swales down and keep the vegetation, mostly grassy,.

F

I have a follow-up to that, so you said you wanted to dredge this summer does again with.

F

The whole you know truck sinking in and all that sort of thing does it make more sense to.

F

Do it as it starts to get colder and the ground starts to freeze, I would assume these areas would.

F

Still be able to be dredged with the machinery yeah, so that kind of does make sense back in the.

J

Back when we used to have winters, but nowadays the target necessarily I mean we probably could.

J

Do that this week, if we were ready, but I'm not sure that that we can pin down.

J

Last year, the ground didn't really even freeze out there. So at the very least, can you wait for a.

F

Drier you know well yeah. We would actually do that. We would definitely do it in like august. So it's.

J

The dry spot here yeah, we wouldn't go out there in june and go out there in august. Okay, thank you. Yep.

C

Thank you yes, um so something else that I find a little confusing is um you're you're standing.

C

There saying that the area floods, but it's not within a flood plain according to fema now.

C

I don't know how I didn't say it flooded. I'm sorry, if you, if.

J

What's flooded is the entire drainage system under the road? Okay, the the outfall areas.

J

Don't necessarily flood um they're, not they're, not a floodplain. If that's what you're asking.

J

Okay, yep so, um and the other thing is that you're not draining a ground water and yet, in your.

C

In your sort of brief project description, you talk about your draining groundwater.

J

We are draining groundwater, okay. Well, we have to drain the groundwater out from under the road.

J

That's the problem. Okay, but yet it says in um the appendix a that the proposed project should.

C

Have no impact on drinking water or groundwater or ground water? What aquifers that should be true! Yes,.

C

So we're draining them we're draining the culverts that are built under the roads.

J

Which are only four feet down so you're you're. These are being built.

C

With um sea level rise in mind and they're not going to need any sort of alteration.

C

Because what happens is the sea water comes in underneath the aquifers and raises them? So this.

C

Isn't going to have any effect, yeah? No we're up with, I think 60 or 70 feet of elevation here.

A

Okay, all right, I've got a few questions and I'm not sure who they should be directed to, but.

G

This one, probably the swale, you said you're going to keep that mode. The swales for each of these. How.

G

Big, an area is that for like proportionately, um unless you want to go through each one or whatever.

J

um In general, a hundred feet long and maybe as wide as from me to you so are they kind of.

G

Like the dredging, um the the uh dimensions, you have a tractor that has a mowing arm on it. Yeah.

G

um We don't actually go back into this whale. We wouldn't do that. No, but the the the dimension for.

G

The dredging channel is that kind of where you'd be also mowing. Yes, okay, yeah um and.

G

The um a lot of the depth on these were like a one and a half feet, but on for area number, two.

G

It didn't seem to have a depth. Is it also one and a half feet your the depth, or is it.

J

It's very figure out, I mean, as I, as I tried to, as I tried to point out. These areas are are very.

J

Very very flat, so we really just need to restore the original grade. Yep, okay and some of them are.

J

It's variable right so right by the outfall, is where this most of the sand drops out.

J

So in those spots it might be this much material as you get closer to the end, you're getting.

J

Closer and closer to zero right right, okay, I figured but it's not in it. It's not much.

G

That's being taken, it's not going too far down below great. No it's it's really. We really need to.

J

Just go in there and remove the salt and sand from all those years. That's really what we're doing.

E

Bill, can you just introduce yourself for the for the record.

K

Bill mcdonnell, mentoring, engineers, the area two that you're talking about is a it's a long.

K

Kind of a man-made uh channel that adjacent to ashland road, it was made by the the army.

K

Corps as they pointed out, it's long and it's all put it in hasn't, been maintained in years.

K

um So this whole thing this whole. All this work is about.

K

Is about maintenance, really that hasn't been done for a number of years, so that particular.

K

That particular channel is probably it's, maybe four feet high. You know the intent is to work on.

K

The bottom of it we're not going to be, you know, there's not going to be any work on more or less.

K

Grading on the sides of it, it's just kind of the work is on the bottom put in half you know, okay,.

G

Yeah, I was just curious because the other had a very you know, was easy. They had a depth, you.

G

Know 1.5 and this didn't have it so I was trying a little bit, but but the work is really just on.

K

The bottom yeah the sediments at the pod, okay yeah, just because just going for a gist but um and.

G

So I have sort of two general questions um after this work is done.

G

What is it going to look like um and in time? What will you you said you're going to mow that, but.

G

um I mean I I I take the bike path over to pease and I bike around there, and I was just- and I was.

G

Checking it out on monday, and there were um there- were deer prints that were going over to.

G

The number four, uh where somebody is you know a man-made hole in the wetland area, though, and and.

G

Lake uh harvey lake, um you know they were going over and you could tell that that was a drinking.

G

Hole and then you know I'm driving out in the wild turkeys. I had to stop for a flock of wild turkey.

G

So I'm just kind of um you know, I know a lot of the documentation is like. Oh, this was all you.

G

Know man-made and whatever, but it's been 60 years and nature has a way of you know kind of cleansing.

G

Things and the and the the environmental impact also talked about these areas as being really.

G

Important for sediment and wildlife- and this and you know it's a whole list of what what they.

G

Benefit, so what is the project going to? How is it going to affect uh those areas like lake harvey.

G

And the other areas, and so when I say what will it look like it's sort of like what does it look like.

G

Ecologically but also physically and whatever does that yeah? No, I get it um in general.

J

Wildlife should function exactly the way it does. The stuff that we're doing is not going to impact.

J

Anything that I can think of.

J

Ecologically the storm water, that's leaving discharging.

J

Out of the road system is going to get treated.

J

At least with sediment removal and possibly other methods of treatment, which we haven't even got.

J

To the design yet yeah, so the stormwater, that's leaving the road will be cleaner.

J

And the the soil paths are literally, like I said they're just going to be. You know, minimal areas.

J

Just so that the drainage can be maintained, I mean there's, you know millions and millions and.

J

Millions of dollars of infrastructure there that that needs to be fixed. You know it's not the sort.

J

Of thing that we can just let go and leave it the way it is, it's just not feasible to do that really.

A

Good question all right: that's just I'm sorry, yeah like you as you can see. No, it's good um other.

B

Questions, no, I don't see anything can use that the other one. So I did have a few questions on.

B

Well, I I thought those were good questions, because in the past we've seen maintenance.

B

Be done, I think it was on oak, ave or rye street. I don't remember, but um so they and it was it just.

B

Looked like somebody came in with huge equipment and totally you know, dug up everything, yeah and.

J

Then it was all rip rap. I remember what you speak of. Yes, um we will hire professionals.

B

So that I mean that's yeah and the planting, I think there's at one point I mean you did.

B

Mention maybe grass, I think, but um I think in the notes from the minutes or it mentions that either.

B

You're going to use a wetland, seed mix or or turf or something is there, we have no problem using.

J

Wetland seed mix, I mean, I think, that's completely appropriate yeah as long as the grasses that we.

J

Plant or the plants that we plant can resist the the velocities coming out of the head walls.

J

Which should be not be a problem considering out there how flat they are right, um so that.

J

Should be completely appropriate, we just don't want to have is: is the woody growth come back.

B

Right so that would be great because if you're just maintaining it every couple of years, then.

B

That's something that can take take a hold yeah. We would be absolutely fine with that.

G

The um the clean out areas you spoke about they're, probably as close to the road as you can. You know.

G

Yes close to the road as we could possibly get them, okay, so we can get in there and do what.

J

We want to because we we really don't want to go out right there either. We we know, you don't want.

J

Us out there and we don't want to be out there because we have to fix it broken and harvey lakel.

G

Still be harvey, lake and harvey lake is going to function exactly the way. It is right. This minute.

G

Okay, you're not doing any changes to harvey lake, no changes with the level of water or anything.

B

Right now it's drained down to where it's supposed to be, and so literally, what I just said is true.

J

Rv league, we think, was designed that outfall structure best that we can tell was designed.

J

So that harvey lake would function as a as a detention bond for before the water went into.

J

The hudson brook so yes, what's going to be the frequency of cleaning these.

C

Things because obviously they were left for long enough to have wetlands, develop, etc.

C

So so, in the modern times that we live in, we have ms4 responsibilities.

J

We have a whole stormwater unit at public works. Now we never did that before.

J

I don't think the air force ever did anything. Quite frankly, I don't want to you know.

J

I want to give them bad vibes, but you know from everything we can tell. Nothing was maintained.

J

We didn't get, we didn't receive it in a maintained in orderly place when we received the base.

J

Back in 96 95, something like that yep, so you know it was just it's just one of those things that.

J

But nowadays we have a whole maintenance division for storm water that goes around and cleans catch.

J

Basins and cleans the storm water units and checks, the sediment, four bays and all that sort of thing.

J

They have a whole list of things that they need yearly or as needed or it'll, be as needed. It'll be.

J

As needed and it might be needed a little bit more in the first couple of years, because we're going.

J

To reconstruct corporate drive so in just because we're doing that, we're going to stir up some stuff.

J

And then you know hopefully now I mean we don't use salt uh sand anymore when we, when.

J

We salt the roads, so you know you don't have that amount of waste going into the drainage system.

J

So hopefully, things get better and they stay maintained.

B

Thank you, and I know you've been around for a long time and I was just going to say just.

B

There have been not in this section so much, although there's been cleanups and things.

B

Like that, with, when um hodgson brook watershed association, is that what we were calling it or.

B

Restoration, restoration yeah when the group went out there and then further down.

B

On corporate drive, there was buffer plantings all along.

B

Down by the wastewater treatment area, we're not going to touch it down that way. That's all out of.

J

Scope just keep in mind that that's you know if you're removing anything it's sort of like okay,.

B

You know anywhere that you can mitigate that at all. You know of keeping in you know that too.

B

To the um minimum would be great so and then sweet, I mean we intend to be as sensitive as possible.

B

Yeah and then um are you you're not daylighting, anything, that's already a culvert or anything.

B

Like that, there's you're not also adding any new pipes, it wasn't quite clear.

J

No, I mean we're, not expanding corporate drive right, um you know they are building sidewalks.

J

Out there every sporadically but other than that they're, not adding sealed surface out there.

J

So we're maintaining what is existing anything that is a new.

J

Is a new building and that gets dealt with separately, so there's nothing that.

J

We're adding to or creating more volume that isn't already there being generated.

K

There is some new piping going in to get this the drainage system to areas where it will work.

K

Most of that is in 3a, right, yeah and 3a, and um so that's when we're re-piping and you can see.

J

It we're piping it behind the stormwater pod, so I think there's a little in the area. There's maybe.

K

30 feet or something in the area too, and I think we're not we're not creating.

J

More, no there's, no there's no developments. This is strictly a maintenance project. I.

K

Mean these were all engineered systems years ago that haven't been maintained.

K

So we're just no room development, it's just it's just maintenance uh work and.

K

For the greening system really and dave's correct, I mean that the road's coming apart, the water is.

K

You know within you know in spots it's within 12 inches of the pavement when it rains. uh If.

K

It's opening up, if you go down and the potholes are going to, you know, develop it's going to be.

K

It's going to be a big mess. You know this work doesn't already a big difference. It's a big mess.

B

Thank you, um samantha yeah. I think this is a question for peter. Do they need to apply for.

F

A new permit, if, like in a year, they need to come back and do future maintenance, dredging uh not or.

F

Is that covered under this? I think the maintenance, if the way they're going to set it up, is they're.

E

Going to be able to maintain through the catch basins they're not going to have to dredge that's.

E

The plan, if they wanted to do more dredging, I guess they would need to come back. But if they're.

E

Just going to maintain the structures they're putting in or the pipes in terms of getting you.

E

Know back trucks in to suck out the pipes and that kind of thing they shouldn't need another permit.

E

It's only if they have to go in with equipment. The plunge pools that are going in at the end of the.

J

Of the culvert pipes are intended to be maintained and des understands that it's part of the permit.

J

But if we had to go way back in the woods again, we would need another permit.

J

Because the roadside that you're allowed to do roadside soil maintenance- but these aren't.

J

Roadside swales they're they're discharged, so they don't consider them to be the same thing.

A

Okay, did I answer your question.

F

I guess the area where you're doing like a foot and a half of dredging the in in a lot.

F

Of those areas, if you have to come back and do that foot and a half two feet whatever again.

F

That, specifically, that would be a new order, would not require a new product that would.

J

Be a new permit. New permit was that, yes, it would. Yes, it would okay. That was my question. Thank you.

E

They can clean out right at the outfall, but they would need a new permit if they needed to do the whole soil gotcha. Thank you.

B

I just had one other question about invasive species. I know there's a lot of them out there.

B

Just I guess you know any kind of control of that or whatever you have, that on your radar. Well, we're.

J

Obviously aware that there are invasive species out there and anything, that's invasive, we'll.

J

Have an evasive species management part of the specification that you know we have to deal with.

J

Anything that we find- and you know either cover it, leave it in a parking lot for a while make.

J

Sure it's dead, whatever, whatever the different mechanisms that are in the state regulations, okay,.

G

um Why is 3b that area so far away from the road and the buildings I mean it's, it's even.

G

Kind of far away from the parking lot and kind of wondering why the parking lot doesn't get sort of.

G

Pulled up and stuff put under I mean, maybe you know, maybe that doesn't work. I don't know from.

G

The engineering, but it just seems like it's um it's way it's way far away. Why is that just grades.

J

It's literally, you need to get from a to b and that's how far they had to go.

J

To drain from a to b: oh okay, okay, so it's like an elevation thing or it's an elevation thing.

J

They had to keep going until they found a spot that was low enough to drain okay. As I said,.

J

In my my opening part of what I was talking about, there are actually two outfalls right there. We're.

J

Hoping that we can avoid the the lower one and we can do the one that's behind the building.

J

But we need, but we need to be able to see the pipes, got it and see. What's going on.

J

Before we can actually guarantee that we can do that, so we're permitting the whole thing.

J

We may not need to do the whole thing. Oh okay, so is that why it's like three, a and.

G

Three b and something like four three and four, maybe one, maybe both.

G

Okay, we don't know yeah, okay, but we're hoping one. It's less money, it's less work, yeah and 3a.

J

Is more readily accessible, it's easier to get to so, but we just don't know. Okay, it's that broken.

B

Any other questions from the commissioners no.

B

Thank you, they're good, they're, good, yep. Okay, anybody want to make a motion.

H

Yeah I'll make a motion make a motion that we approve the state wetland bureau application.

H

Our standard dredge and fill application for 231, 249 and 273 corporate drive. Thank you. Second.

F

And I had a stipulation yeah, that's what I was going to say sure.

F

The user use of the wetland seed mix in areas where replanting is needed.

D

We agree to that and I have a couple of other stipulations. Allison has a couple more we'll.

B

Come back to you ted um that uh clean out is done as frequently as needed to avoid the.

C

Wetland development and then further dredging and that there's an invasive species management plan.

H

Very well: okay, all right ted good on you! Thank you. So three.

B

Stipulations that clean out is done as frequently as needed to avoid future dredging. Yes, yep.

B

An invasive species this is species, adventure, planet, yep and and wetlands a mix.

B

Seconded by allison, any discussion.

B

Okay, um we'll do a roll call vote for all those in favor or no just I'll. Do a little culprit. Sorry,.

B

um I'll start over here- ted. Yes, henry yeah; yes, yes, samantha, yes, jess! Yes, the chair votes, yes,.

B

Thank you very much. Thank you. The city appreciates your time. I know this is not your.

J

Typical application, but we do appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you, nice job david. Thank you.

B

Okay, so next item on the agenda is conservation lands discussion. I think uh peter you're gonna.

B

Give us an update, I brought well, I don't have a big update because uh I don't think we've.

E

Done a lot, but I was hoping we could maybe sign up people again and maybe that's any progress.

E

A

For these guys.

A

E

Sorry, jess and sam, I don't have one for you um and I don't have.

E

Something I can share or scream with, I apologize, but basically the.

E

What I'm, showing what I gave out to the commission is a map that shows.

E

The but this the five parcels that we identified as the priority parcels for conservation.

E

Then we're going to reach out and speak to the property owners and um what I'd like to do.

E

Is at least get people. I think we should contact all the property owners like yeah.

E

That's what we decided, but I didn't hear back from anybody to start that process.

E

And I think we need to do that, so we can get if we want to get moving on it um figure out.

E

Who the owner is and then contact them? I think on the chase home allison and I were going to do it.

E

Ted, I think you were going to take number four. Is that right, or was it three and four three.

E

And four, three and four, and are you gonna on your own or do you wanna a partner with that.

H

uh Well, that's involved with the uh land trust, so I did talk to brian again on it. We've stayed in.

H

Touch on that particular one and they're really the principals that are moving the discussion.

H

Forward, okay- and they have are talking directly to the property owner, even though I I know one of.

H

The family members pretty well so they're trying to keep us out of it right now. Yes, they're trying.

H

To keep us out of it right now, so it doesn't end up in the newspaper yep, okay, all right um and then.

E

uh Number three number two: I forgot who said they were going to do that was it.

E

Andrew, so that's the south street property that goes into fortune high school.

E

I have a feeling it might have been andrew because he volunteered for at least one.

E

Maybe two and andrew, if you guys haven't heard andrew, was uh nominated as a uh appointed as a.

E

Planning board member alternate, so he's resigned from the commission. Will you resign from the.

H

Commission was that session, so you could serve on the planning board yeah. Well, you can do both.

E

I mean technically, you can do both. Can you? Oh? Yes, you can, by state law and by local audits. You.

H

Could serve on the htc in the in the conservation commission, you could serve on the planning board.

H

In the conservation position, so I wasn't aware of that- I don't know if that.

C

Yeah, it depends on the amount of time you have too right. Yeah.

E

That might be that might be part of it too yeah trying to have a life. Maybe he doesn't want to.

G

Spend all this time in this room yeah, but if anybody's interested in talking with that group.

E

um We can sign you up or I can try and do that on my own. That's the south street property yep.

I

Peter you and I had talked about doing this south street one. I can't see the map, so I don't know if.

I

That's the same property connects through to the high school property yep. So let's do that. um Okay,.

E

And then on peverly hill road there's a property on the corner number five.

E

And I don't know what we said about that one either, because I couldn't find my notes for some.

E

Reason I found some notes, but they were pretty cryptic on the minutes. I didn't have the details.

B

I can do that one if you want okay, okay,.

G

When you guys are doing it, I couldn't hear what is it that you're doing with that? Maybe.

E

My next question yet so the plan is really just to reach out to the property owners.

E

And see if there's interest in some kind of not even taking it very far in terms of conversation.

E

But is there interest in protecting some of their property and conservation, whether it's acquisition.

E

Or easement yep and then um set up a meeting and then maybe walk the property with them.

E

And talk to them, okay, I don't think we would want to start by talking anybody. Any numbers.

E

But I think we'd want to bring it back to the commission. If there was interest and talk about.

E

Where we are with that property and conservation fund money and and then.

E

Maybe after we know who's interested, we have a better sense of how much money we have to spend.

E

And where we want to allocate it and then and prioritize the conversation after that, okay, I.

E

Think we need to look at a level of interest from the property owner. Obviously, there's a.

E

Couple, um I think I might have an update soon on the chase home, but I can't really share anything.

E

On that, but I'll talk with allison about it and we'll bring that back when we can.

E

And same on the other ones, as soon as you know something ted you can tell us and.

E

You know, I think this is important, that we keep it moving, and you know that's that's where we.

E

Left it last time, I think it just needs to get reactivated and moving on it. So I guess.

E

If I don't hear from you, I'm going to put it on my calendar to call people and get it moving, because.

E

You know without a conversation I have a meeting the second wednesday of every month, but that's.

C

About it at the moment, good for you, I like that, okay, so we just get in touch with you and then.

B

Follow up with phone calls yeah, we'll figure out who the contacts are and then follow up together.

E

With a phone call probably or a visit depending on the place um and then uh in terms of the cip,.

E

The commission had wanted a million dollars to go into the cip this year and a million dollars.

E

Every year thereafter, the city sits down to make the recommendation to the with the city manager.

E

And to the council, the planning board and then the council and looking at the the request of.

E

The commission, um the finance department, had a lot of concerns about a million dollars right up front.

E

uh Especially because we don't have a project identified, so we have a about a million dollars in.

E

Our conservation fund- and we don't have a project right now to need another million dollars. The.

E

Concern is that the debt service, that would the impact that would have on the debt service would.

E

Be pretty large, and so it made sense to me and to make that recommendation to the planning board on.

E

The council that we hold off this year and cut the number down to 500 000, but try to do it every year.

E

So we have a bigger pool of money going forward. You know when we, when we have projects but right.

E

Now not having anything to spend it on, it was a. It was a tough ask for the for the you know.

E

Cip, so I think it's a positive thing to have that 500 000 next year going forward- and um I.

E

Think the more we can do to support that and show that we have an active program and identify these.

E

Properties and say these people are interested in selling or there might be other people as.

E

We move forward in this that are interested. We might want to come out with a you know, revisit.

E

This and add more properties, but this was our starting point and I think if we can identify.

E

A property we're going to be able to promote stuff further into the budget process that way.

B

This was something that was recommended by both hampton, and I think it was hampton andover.

B

Had that experience to when they tried to put something forward without having a.

B

Project or a plan in place, they were yeah the finance department. You know really had a lot.

E

Of issues with it in terms of just in terms of how we asked for money and how we program money,.

E

It was not a it's hard to justify something if you don't have a specific project. Outlayed on.

E

I understand we need to have money to do projects, but there is money in the conservation fund now so.

H

Well, I I think the city should be much more aggressive.

H

And we should be mirroring after, like the york land trust when properties come available.

H

For sale and their neighboring property that they already have in conservation, they buy it.

H

You know they don't wait and we're talking now about not having funds available for 18 months.

H

We have funds available now, yes, yes, I know the 800 000, but the you know the median price of.

E

The house in town is not much, you know, and uh it's pretty high. You know land's very expensive.

H

And there are so many examples of we. I think the city should be much more aggressive.

H

For instance, uh we have a building going up on what was the bank of america parking lot in town.

H

uh What about the other bank parking lots? You know, I think we should be reaching out to.

H

Try to get a right to first refusal or something of that nature. If any of those.

H

Properties come up so, if not you're going to end up with you know five and six story.

H

Buildings on everything that is potential green space downtown not just in the outlying areas.

H

So I think the city there's no there's no more land left. You can't wait. You know developed areas.

E

You want to buy property as well. What's it are you talking about in developed areas? I I think yes,.

H

I think I think it should be considered just like it is considered by other conservation commissions.

H

In other places like in south portland uh as an example and in terms of the financing.

H

If you don't have to finance it right away, you can simply you can get a bond authorization.

H

For it have that sitting there and you don't have to use the bond authorization you don't have to.

H

Financially commit, but then, if you do decide that there is a piece of property, the city wants to buy.

H

Any one of these or others, then you've got the resources available to do it rapidly.

H

You know in this environment property sells like that. You know it. It disappears quickly. I think.

H

The city should be poised to obtain additional property and I think they've missed opportunities.

H

Where we could have had affordable housing, uh for instance, you know and other places that the.

H

City had actually purchased the land. Those sound like policy decisions that are, you know, affordable.

E

Housing is a little different than conservation acquisition. We're talking about land for.

E

Conservation and open space not for development control and hope, uh affordable housing properties.

E

That's a different conversation, I think a different part of the cip or or the city budget. I.

H

I would have as an individual as a citizen. I would have made a proposal on my own for the million.

H

Dollars to start the discussion in that process to try to raise awareness about the need to purchase.

H

More property there's nothing left, and I think I was talking to peter rice and he couldn't agree.

H

With me more- and we were talking about it about the possibilities because he said: there's nothing.

H

Left so you don't have to actually spend the cash and buy it if you have the bond authorization, it.

H

Gives you the authority and flexibility to do it, and I would have argued we don't need.

H

It was put in there. I looked at the cip. Actually I looked at the cip thinking the council meeting.

H

Is coming up in january and I'll go and speak to the council on in support of our million dollar.

H

Request, you know that's what I was planning on doing when I looked at the cips. It's not in here.

H

And then, what I did see with was in there was put in as an actual appropriation for 24 and.

H

From a strategy standpoint, that's the worst place to set your money up, because everybody wants to.

H

Balance the budget and keep the tax rate down if it's just a bond authorization for something that.

H

You're going to be paying in the future, there's a much greater strategic chance of trying to.

H

Get it through so I would have appreciated feedback, so I could talk about it. You know and.

H

And try to raise awareness about it, because now it's money that we'll never see you know when.

H

Half a million bucks to put in a conservation fund- it's not going to happen in 2024, so.

H

I would have at least preferred to be shown as a source of funding as bonding, not not cash.

B

So moving forward, so we just lost samantha. She we had her hand up, but I'm still here, oh you are.

I

Oh, go ahead. Yeah! Sorry! um I just wanted to say I I agree with ted in that um you know properties.

F

Come up and and are taken off the market so quickly in in this particular market.

F

That I think the money is one thing, obviously having as much money as we can, but also I don't.

F

Know if there's other steps we can take so that we are as prepared as we can be when something.

F

Does come up that we can jump for it as quickly as possible, and I don't know what those steps.

F

Are I think ted has has a good idea with with the bonds and things like that. I don't know.

F

Anything about that, but you know just trying to figure out what those steps are. So we can be like.

F

You know pre-approved if you will to to go for certain properties.

E

And I'd recommend if you have a specific approach to go forward, you know next year. We do this and.

E

If it's not put money in the capital plan, then what is it and how do we do it and.

E

We'll work with that, but that was the approach that I thought we were requesting and it had a.

E

Big impact on the debt service and it seemed like it made sense to move it and it didn't make sense.

E

To go forward with a million dollar request when there was no project, so that's where it ended up.

B

So we want to outline the steps that we need to take or.

B

I mean well, you know, there's a there's, a schedule, it starts in october, you know and.

H

If I had known in october that if we didn't it wasn't there, I would have gone to the planning.

H

Board and made the same case to the planning board. We need the money, we need it available right away.

H

I will go to the city council and say we had requested a million dollars and I.

H

You know go to the public hearing for the capital improvement plan and talk about it because there.

H

Are mechanisms that can give you the authority to spend the funds on short order and that's really.

H

Having a bonding authorization- and it doesn't require you to go- borrow the money, even though you.

H

Have the authorization, so I think that's something the city council can do at any time uh they could.

H

Grant authorization like that at some point in time: yeah, but usually you know things are so much.

H

In the cycle you know when they're doing it, oh, we did cip. Well, I think part of this is a learning.

E

Curve, there's never been this, this conservation, authorization, we have a conservation fund and.

E

People have looked at that as the mechanism to replace conservation values. There hasn't been a.

E

Proactive method, so this is a little bit of a learning curve. I guess, but that's.

E

That's what happened for this year in terms of where we are now and.

E

Maybe that maybe you can get that to change, but at least going forward. Let's have a.

E

If you think there could be a better plan, let's let's work on that: okay, all right.

D

On the other hand, that.

D

E

Well, I know that's how a lot of the small communities do it. They they vote.

E

To have a bond authorization and they spend it when they have a project yeah.

B

So keep it on the radar for sure and maybe just keep it on the agenda on a regular basis.

C

So if we hear of a property, that's coming up for sale and it looks like it would be a.

C

Good conservation value, I think that then we could approach the city council. Couldn't we at that time.

H

It does but then you're talking a three-reading process with the city council. So you know then.

H

You're talking a month and a half just to get to the third reading of the process.

H

Of going through the city council so uh and that's if everybody said this is a great thing, you know.

E

And that we're also faced with the challenge of you, know we're trying to buy it for conservation.

E

Developers want to buy it to develop it, they have a lot more money on the table. Oftentimes than.

E

We'll be able to justify or come up with well they're running circles around us. You can bet.

H

They're using you know, gis and they're hiring analysts and they're hiring people to scour.

H

The geography of the city of portsmouth, probably far more than than we are collectively you know.

A

Okay, so thanks kid, thank you. Peter yeah.

D

Go ahead, no, I thought I thought we would let that pop in number.

B

Everybody's gonna follow up with you and if they don't follow up with you, you'll follow.

E

Up with them, I'm going to put on my calendar put it on your calendar. I will try to remind you too.

H

Well, I just want to quickly point out on this little map here that right around this area here.

H

They're, actually, the the land trust is trying to raise funds to purchase a piece of property.

H

Over here uh sort of right near the right across in the science center almost and they they've.

H

Got a very active program now to raise about 800 grand to add to it and there's quite a few. Quite.

H

A bit of property in this general area that is under conservation in the right right right, yeah.

B

It doesn't really tie into any of our proposals.

A

Well, number number three might be pretty close. You know, number three is pretty close.

H

Yeah that goes on the right quite a bit and number four goes into rye. Two.

B

Good information, any any more discussion or questions on that nope nope. So then, were there.

B

Other updates at all um I, the beverly, was here, but she she left. I didn't realize her at the beginning.

E

I guess I should have I didn't know she was going to stay for the whole meeting or not, but um the.

E

New planning director beverly amazes that has started and she's um getting acclimated, and I.

E

Think she'll be a great addition. She comes from redwood washington, where she was a planner for.

E

Six years she worked in, she actually went to unh. She worked in dover as an intern early on.

E

In her career, she also worked in texas and in washington state in a couple different places.

E

Has a really good background may be really helpful in terms of zoning rewrites and.

E

Long-Range planning and just getting her feet wet now so.

E

She seems like a great addition: what's her name, beverly beverly mesa, m-e-s-a, zen, z-e-n-d-t,.

E

That's two words for her last name, but no: okay, no hyphen, no hyphen, okay,.

B

Can I'm under other business.

B

A new person and the other things I was just going to say the other things peter had not to put you.

B

On the spot um that we'd worked on was for the education program and stuff like that, and that's.

B

Pretty much I got to check back in with public works, but they were going to get going on that.

E

So see where they are, so it's going to public works for that person. Well, for that um yeah.

B

Because were there people on the commission that were interested in participating in that yeah? I.

H

Actually exchanged an email with brian uh just before the holidays. You know, and I said I'm away.

H

I'll be coming back, you know, and uh you know I had an eventful trip to south carolina for a month.

H

To see my mother-in-law who's, not 96., she ended up with covid. She gave me coven. I spent the entire.

H

Time this, like beautiful weather outside you, know, harbor stay hiding outside. It was just amazing.

E

That's so fun did you hear back from them yeah uh I haven't heard back since I I ca.

H

I just came back this past monday, so I'll follow up with them, but okay, okay,.

A

Okay, we're tentatively going to try to meet you know sometime in january, and talk about.

H

What they're doing I can send an email out if everybody's interested, but we do set something up.

B

Yeah, if you have time be great, I have I have a question just sort of philosophical question.

G

About the conservation commission, um I just saw another piece- and I saw this about a year ago,.

G

About how um schools are doing a lot of and maine's doing, a lot they're doing a lot of.

G

Outdoor learning they've got outdoor classrooms and things like that, and I was wondering and then.

G

I you know with the the sound wall being you know next um by, I guess the state for at new franklin.

G

um That barrier I was just kind of wondering, is: is there any direction that portsmouth is taking for.

G

You know the high school, the middle school or and the elementary schools to kind of.

G

You know create these areas where outdoor learning can actually happen, instead of just they had.

G

Outdoor classrooms at the high school did they oh cool. There is an outdoor classroom at the high.

E

School over in the jones avalanche and also the bandera school has a pretty extensive outdoor.

E

Learning program that they do and do they have like wildlife area and stuff like that.

E

Or is it just, they have a path that goes out into the woods and they have a spot in the.

E

Woods and they put in a new playground, that's more natural type of playground than than your typical.

B

Like rocks and piles of dirt yeah new friend, where, okay, because new franklin had a newer one,.

E

A nature trail that goes out in the woods and yeah and okay. I don't know what they're doing.

E

Specifically for outdoor education, but okay, I know there's a few different efforts, but.

G

So that's sort of an ongoing thing. That's good cool, all right, sorry to interrupt, but doesn't.

I

The middle school now have an outdoor classroom too. I think I don't know, I don't know, and I know.

I

Little harbor has the school garden too, that's part of their education stuff, but I I think I.

I

Saw something about the middle school might now have an outdoor classroom space as well.

E

Great okay, thanks, I didn't sorry. Maybe this is something I should have just asked. You.

G

Guys on the side, instead of having a part of the meeting, no because we got it all from everybody,.

B

So yeah it's a good question. um Yeah I'd be happy to talk more about it too. At some point.

B

So um great so that's uh conservation, lands, discussion and we're into other business. Any.

B

Other business, no, no! Okay! I know you guys are not any other business over there. I don't see.

E

Any hands up or people looking like they want to see that and do that, do you want.

A

What oh you're just asking about those people where people over there on the screen? Oh on.

C

The screen- oh okay, just so I just wanted to mention that. um I think that we need to.

C

uh Consider sustainability and I don't know what direction it's going to take.

C

um Regarding the city, I know that there was going to be a request for money for an environmental.

C

uh Or a sustainability coordinator, full-time for the city and.

C

With mick eckern talking about um you know, looking at the zoning ordinances and things like that,.

C

That, I think, there's an opportunity for maybe under conservation that we include some things.

C

That have to do with sustainability, which is not something that we've really looked at before.

A

Excellent, so is there any actions we should take at this point? Allison? Are you just well, I'm sort.

C

Of feeling it out we're we're talking about getting having a summit, a sustainability summit.

C

And I saw that allison I was going to just I was going to get back to valentina or someone.

E

On that group, because I saw that email- I didn't look at all the minutes, but I noticed that they.

E

Were calling it a climate summit and there is a climate summit, so you might want to think about.

E

A different name: okay, because the the uh [ __ ] hopes a lot of patient work group does a climate.

E

Summit every year- and um there might be some confusion. Okay, if you pick the same name, okay,.

E

Maybe if you add portsmouth to it or change paper with something different or.

E

That might help, but you just don't want to have that kind of right, yeah right. It's a great great.

E

Effort, though- and maybe there might be some some people that want to speak at that clement.

E

Someone, it might be, you know, there's probably an opportunity to do that. I can find the dates.

E

I'll get back to valentina and I'll show people send it out great. Thank you with more information.

I

Can I ask a question on those lines I was going to email you peter about this, but but about the.

I

Sustainability committee that we have here in town and if there's an opportunity, maybe that.

I

There should be communication between us and them to kind of understand what they're doing and yeah.

E

Sure, um I'm I'm the staff I'm interested in that committee. To be frank, um so I was just curious to.

I

Know what their role is and if it's appropriate, maybe that we support them in some way or.

I

Again, like I said, if there's more communication, so we know what they're doing and they kind of know.

I

What we're doing or I don't know what would be the right avenue well, I am, I am also a participant. I'm.

C

Not I'm not on the original uh committee that was developed for the uh for sustainability here in.

C

The city, but I since I retired, I decided to get more involved, and so I am participating.

C

With members of the original group on this, um in fact, we have a meeting every wednesday at 7, 00 p.m.

C

And I mean like if you'd like, to participate, I'd be glad to forward the information to you.

C

Or if anybody would like to participate, um we're always looking for for people that are interested.

I

I'm hoping to come, seven o'clock is just a hard hour with the two and a three-year-old, but.

I

Especially after you hoping that I can get my husband home, so I can be present this evening and.

I

I spoke with bert the other day. He came into the store and he and I had a nice conversation as well.

I

So I just I would like to try to keep those channels open and you know continue to progress.

I

Whatever efforts there are, and if we again I just if we can support them some way.

I

As the commission, or be more aware of what their efforts are, I just.

I

Think that benefits everybody right yeah and it's interesting because there have been several.

C

Of the members of the sustainability committee that have talked about your shop so.

G

That's great at the wrong time. I appreciate that. That's very generous of them so.

B

I it used to be that you really, I don't know who it was. It was the mayor. Somebody did make.

B

It really difficult for you to be on two different committees. At the same time, I.

B

Think I remember when marianne was here, but so maybe there's opportunity for you guys to.

B

I mean, obviously I don't know there were three things I was participating in.

C

In the fall so um and I'm assuming that I might get reappointed to the um the community power.

C

Again but we'll see so you'll communicate a little bit with jeff yeah. Absolutely if anybody wants to.

C

You know, I gladly send you the um the link for the zoom meeting that we have on wednesday.

C

Evenings seven o'clock: yes, it is a difficult time. Seven to eight thirty makes it a long evening, but.

C

um You know anybody's welcome to participate and I will definitely communicate if you're interested.

C

Okay, all right, thank you and then any other. No, um I just had one thing we originally were.

B

Going to schedule a special meeting uh between the previous meeting previous two meetings, but.

B

Does it look like we don't have to now? Is that everybody go that way.

B

Yeah everybody's comfortable with not having a special meeting yeah okay, so that said,.

B

um Make a motion that we adjourn thank you seconded. What's up, second from abby.

B

All those favors, I think we don't have to do a roll call.

B

Yes, all right thanks! You guys thanks for doing this thanks everybody for the support.

B

I really have enjoyed being the chair of the commission and hopefully please. Let me.

B

Know any changes or whatever you need to make, but hopefully the next year goes well. Okay, thank you.