City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Mayor's Blue Ribbon Energy Advisory Committee, 8 Sep 2022

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9.8.2022 Energy Advisory Committee

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Our recording now it's official okay, welcome everybody to the.

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September, 8th meeting of the portsmouth energy advisory committee and I'm john tabor, the chair.

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I'll just make a few introductory remarks and then we'll get to our agenda um first, since we last met.

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Becca o'brien who's, just been a terrific committee member, has is going through a change of jobs, she's.

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Going to become an emt and she's going through training, and so she's had to withdraw from this.

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Committee and the sustainability committee, which is too bad because she really was a star for us.

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And I also have received and forwarded to you uh correspondence from lisa sweet.

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In rye and I'm hoping at the end of this agenda, we could take up her request.

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That we collaborate with newcastle and rye on a.

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Button-Up presentation of how to make your home energy efficient and so we'll talk about that.

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We've after the june event, I think our public awareness was pretty good and.

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Summer came everything slowed down, but in the meantime.

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We're now looking at the task of developing the energy aggregation plan.

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Which will be our case to the city and the public utilities? Commission.

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That we should be able to do a community power aggregation.

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We're not alone in this.

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Our partners at the commute coalition.

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Community power coalition of new hampshire have a draft. Thank you henry for providing us with that.

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Tailored to our needs, but one of there are two sections that we as an energy committee.

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Claim is our own. The first is the goal section, and we had that discussion in july.

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Our goals for what we'll give the community through portsmouth community power,.

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And the second is a timeline attachment that we need to do later in the document, so.

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After we met in july, I circulated some notes to you all and I tried to pull together a.

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Draft goals section, and I thought we could just go through it-.

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Peter if we could put that up on the screen, so if I do share screen that way, anyone watching.

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And the public can also see it.

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um And I thought we'd just go through section by section and see if we need to amend or if.

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You think we're we've got a pretty good element to this aggregation plan as it stands. um What.

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You see at the top are these are chapter headings in the overall aggregation plan and then we have.

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Two chapter headings here: portsmouth policy goals and portsmouth community power goals;.

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So in the policy goals, um there's two links to city of portsmouth policies that come into play.

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Here and the document tries to call those out first, the energy policy in portsmouth.

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Through the natural step framework adopted way back in what was it peter 2005, I think 2007.

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Has four principles, and one of those is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

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And then councillor denton in 2017 and his energy committee.

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Created a document on a renewable energy policy that was passed by the council.

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That gave the city a goal to be net zero in carbon emissions, beginning with municipal consumption.

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First and then going to community-wide consumption, and what was interesting is that five years ago,.

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There were specific bullet points in that recommending forming a local utility and.

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A community aggregation program, so here we are five years later.

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Hopefully, on the path to do that, were there any.

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Additional elements or comments that.

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We want to make or changes we want to make on that particular part.

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Well, I just um the the last sentence there. It seems like they're, quite different, forming a local.

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Utility- and I I guess this is language and things that have already been adopted by the city, but.

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The notion of forming a local utility or and or a community aggregation plan seemed to be.

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Kind of apples and oranges to me yeah there we could perhaps drop the local utility because.

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That implies getting stringing wires yeah. um So I just that one just kind of popped.

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Out of me that if they were not really that's a good knot either or that's a good catch.

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And the the word rapid gives me heartburn uh around rapid shift away from fossil fuel, because I.

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One, I don't think it's realistic and and and yeah language, like you know, a thoughtful or steady.

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Move away from fossil fuel, I think maybe resonates with people who look at this more realistically.

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Yeah rapid, I think we all know, there's we're not going to rapidly move away from fossil fuel.

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And I don't know what the definition of rapid is, but um you know it's it's going to be with us.

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For a while- and um so I just here here and elsewhere in this document, we use the word.

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Rapidly getting away from fossil fuel- and I just I don't know one if that's realistic and two, if that.

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Really resonates with you can say something like as expeditiously as practicable right, but it's a.

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Mouthful, but it's it, you know it's accurate, you know we go as quickly as practical, which means.

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You know there are things you have to do in order to make it happen. You can't just say we.

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All want to have get away from it yeah, but there may be elements of running our economy in the city.

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That you know from a risk standpoint, it makes sense for us to still have reliance on base load.

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Fossil fuel and and at the same time, being trying to encourage renewable, I don't you know in the in.

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The over the next decade, plus it's- I don't think it's the practical that we're going to have a a.

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Yeah, I agree with admit: that's going to be reliable. I don't disagree with you. However,.

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To play devil's advocate, this is a goal you know so it's you know it's aspirational.

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Yeah right, what about just cutting out a more rapid and just putting to enable a shift away.

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From fossil fuels, yeah yeah take out that yeah. That's take out the dreamy.

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Rapid yeah, I I understand the aspirational side of it, but it's just you know: yeah.

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I'm thinking I hear bert cohen in my ears yeah. He would not like that.

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Immediate he'd like to change it immediately immediately, there's no more time. Everyone.

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Aspirational, do you want to say something like deliberate shift or intentional shift or something.

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Or just drop it completely. Let me just take a peek at what california's going through this week.

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Yeah, I think, enabling let's shift away from fossil fuels is yeah. I think that's a good.

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Reasonable measured right, shorter's, always yeah yeah you get bonuses, don't get hung for yeah.

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Okay, there's another rapid that you wanted me to get. Was there another word rapid in here a.

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Second, oh you guys we were just going to. We said there was a second. There is oh yeah in.

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The goals somewhere in the goals- okay, we'll get there yeah or it's actually above that.

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Where is it um right under the bolded caps, lock, portsmith policy goals? Second line there you go.

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Yeah there it is yeah and then downwards has more green power and more resilient power. We say enable.

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Rapid shift away from fossil fuel, so can we just take the rapid out? Does it still work.

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Yeah, we think so yeah and even down below take a more rapid out yeah to both enable a shift.

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Away from yeah, I think we're good, I think, that's good, but to back to the local utility. Was there.

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Actually, discussion around forming a local utility as part of one of these committees is that.

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Would you want that yeah that was yeah the uh renewable renewable energy policy.

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They talked about possibility about local utility, but I don't think we put a lot of.

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Meat on those bones, but okay, it was an option for an approach to reduce you know or change. Our.

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Energy makeup and I think aggregation wasn't that far along either so right right so.

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Based on our our discussion back in july, here's our community power goals, competitive.

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Rates and expanded choices, more green power, more resilient power, regional collaboration.

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Great stability, fiscal stability and financial reserves.

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Enhance customer focus, consumer protections and public advocacy.

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Partnership with eversource we've seen that in the exeter plan we've seen that in some of the others.

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And and then little summation statement at the bottom.

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Aside from slowing down our rapid aspirations or their.

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Thoughts that you guys had on these.

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Competitive rates and expanded choices is, you know, a goal is that we don't launch unless we deliver.

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Lower rates than utility, expanded choices, tiered options from cheapest to greenest.

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And the standard default package should be competitive in price, with the utility.

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Preferably with more green power in it and then enable easy opt out, so customers have full choice.

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The what the the first sentence around not launching less lower than the utility.

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That's like a near-term goal for launch section. You know it's kind of just a stipulation for.

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Launching but I don't know if it's a if it's really a goal in terms of the program.

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Going forward, you know that we're only going to have an aggregation plan if it's cheaper than.

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Than default service, so I don't know if that belongs as a goal.

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Per se right, it doesn't really stand the test of time, because.

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You know the commitment going forward is we're going to have more.

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Stable and competitive pricing right and hopefully cheaper, but the goal is not.

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um That you know, I don't think we can make a commitment that our goal is to be lower than.

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The utility so strike that first sentence the progress just take launch unless take lower rates.

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Than the utility and put what you said, stable and competitive rates compared to the utility.

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Okay, stable and competitive rates.

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To the left, I wouldn't even say compared to the utility, I just say stable and competitive rates.

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Okay and then that way, it's yep right, okay, that's good yeah is that first sentence really.

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Henry is the stipulation for going live right. It's it's not a uh in in your plan. You have.

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A sentence in the plan that states the program will only launch if it is able to initially offer.

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Residential default rates that are lower than or competitive with those offered by eversource, so.

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It's already in there yeah it's in the plan and it is that's a criteria for launch and then over time.

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If there are points in time when you have a higher rate than ever source that doesn't you know, stop.

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The program right right so do we want to take out the launch piece then, in the first part of.

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That sentence, and just make it more go more of a goal statement should yeah not launched.

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The program should deliver will deliver.

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um I guess it's: since their goals, we've been more definitive right.

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But no we say should another should probably find yeah. Okay. Is that all right.

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Yeah should deliver stable and competitive rates. I think that's good.

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Okay, with the rest down on the partnership with eversource, it was along the lines of uh kevin's.

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Stipulation where it says should also work with everest sewers, maybe take out on any and all work.

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With eversource on ways to modernize the grid but any and all seems yeah awfully broad yeah, okay,.

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The green power more resilient power was enable a shift away from fossil fuels.

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To both enable a shift away from fossil fuels and meet the demand from residents.

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Who want more renewable energy? And then we talk about 50, green power, 100 green power.

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And this was a strong element of our discussion last time.

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Advocate to with cpna cnh, to buy local wind hydro solar to create those options.

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And I tried to get some of ben's language in of we didn't just want wrecks. We wanted to actually.

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Buy the power where possible, do you want to add something about like to support.

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The development of local power support the development and, by.

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Yeah well, we've got should use all means.

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To foster local renewable generation projects down below down below yeah.

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Okay, well, we say um above offerings, including ones with 50 percent, green and 100. We.

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Might just say, including, for example, ones, because we don't necessarily know what the rate offerings.

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Are going to be that's a good chance that the way it plays out I mean that's we're looking at.

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Things like that in that range, yeah yeah. We have to see what the actual competitive bidding gets us.

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That's a realistic goal, though right henry, that you can actually foster some.

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Local generation, in the more green section we say support, you should use all means.

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Again, that's pretty extreme.

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Okay program should use all means.

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We mean like leverage opportunities yeah. That program should leverage opportunities to foster.

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Years of corporate life, yes, leverage opportunities, corporate, speak.

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That's good. I thought I got rid of it after four years. It just popped out there.

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Yeah should leverage opportunities.

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To foster local renewable generation projects.

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Regional collaboration.

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And then rate that one editor's note sorry I'm going to try to keep quiet. No, no! Don't keep quiet.

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Lower case on collaboration to match the other sections and then you'll also see the enhanced.

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Customer focus and the consumer protections. The first word elsewhere is capitalized the others.

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Aren't: let's go down style? Where are we sorry collaboration? Second, one should be lowercase.

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On community collaboration, oh the title, sorry, there's a block golden okay.

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Yeah, so the sub heads would just capitalize the first word.

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Anybody got any changes on rate stability.

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um I don't know if it's getting into the weeds a little bit.

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We say purchase a portfolio of short and long term contracts and maybe saying and.

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Hedging strategies, or is that getting too little too financial, um it's informative.

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And the word ensure right, I guess mike got us like why even bring any of this up. Okay, I mean it.

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Just seems very much in the weeds. Okay, in terms of you know the general public we're trying to.

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Convey what our goals are- I mean rate stability, financial disability with financial reserves.

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That it seems very deep in the program to be talking about from our goal. I mean, isn't.

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This the goals, aspirations that were kind of conveyed to the general public.

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Yeah yeah: do they? Wouldn't people assume that we're trying to do this? Well, the rate stability.

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Is fine, has it yeah? I mean race, stability, yes, but then we get into the the risk management and.

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You know portfolio management, it just seems like all of a sudden. It's like well, I guess, there's.

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Like an awful lot of detail for, if we just said something like adopt a portfolio power supply,.

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Portfolio or a power supply procurement approach, yeah that that ensures reliable.

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Stable rates yeah, I think you know if you have to talk about financial reserves.

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Including financial reserves to to uh prevent rate shock yeah but then you're getting into the weeds.

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Can't you just cut out that enables purchase of a portfolio of long-term contracts.

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So and just say, we'll adopt a risk management policy to ensure competitive rates as market.

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Prices fluctuate, as well as a plan to deposit a portion of revenues into a rate reserve fund.

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Yeah, that sounds good. Thank you, so that enables a yeah, yeah, two yeah right. There.

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Good I like that yeah, I'm fine with the word, but it's another.

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One of these ones that gives millibar hardware saying ensuring competitive.

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Rates but that's it's our goal. I guess yeah, it's our goal. Yeah yeah.

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And we're not even saying lower rates so.

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um Who can be against any of these customer focus areas.

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Just maybe a little restructure on that first sentence.

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So we say, including the installation of smart meters and that would come from the utility. um But.

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In control of when power is taken seems like the parentheses time varying rate.

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Structures would go after that when we say when power is taken.

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We'd put parentheses the time varying rate structures, okay or supplied to the grid right.

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And maybe then put in parentheses after that, via net metering programs, yeah good, that's more clear.

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How does that educate consumers, though you know that? Well, I guess the point.

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Is like you educate consumers on that topic, you can install a smart meter and.

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Right but it's saying we're going to educate them regarding how to reduce energy costs.

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Well, I think it's important goal you're talking about well just it just seems like that.

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Isn't the smart meter? Don't you use that as a tool to reduce your energy cost.

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Yeah, I don't really know this someday. Yes, not at the moment. Really! No! uh Well, we don't. I don't.

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Think yet we don't really have good uh time of day. I guess I see what you're saying so once you have.

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That smart meter, you can then determine when your peak energy uses, so you can reduce yeah demand.

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The peak times well, you want to say, for example, so we're educating consumers regarding how to.

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Reduce energy course, for example, installation of smart meters to control when power is taken.

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Instead of installation, for example, or including, for example, here.

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For example, yeah, for example, it's not it's just you know kind of.

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A few is it: is it a colon or is it? What is energy cost comma, for example,.

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I'm terrible at grammar I like it.

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A comma colon, I guess we could do it's a different. I always think columns are like over here.

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Right very good.

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Okay, how's that, for example, stephanie- is that past the editor's test? Okay, chime in if I'm missing,.

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Something here, please, I think it's important to keep that time, varying rate structures as a goal.

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Or in our goals, because, like clifton's, really keen on the idea of battery storage and yeah, taking.

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Power off the grid, when it's cheap, it's good to leave in there, it's going to be a key advantage.

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Especially with I mean iso, england's worried about this winter and fossil fuel prices and just.

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The more and more we're able to control load will be a big factor in coming years, right right.

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So will we be able to control load better because we have more.

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Connection with our users is that yeah, having having many customers who are all informed and.

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Able to have technology or rates or behavior changes to collectively lower your peak yeah.

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Right and in theory, we can take some of the revenue.

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From the program and put it back into education- and maybe even doesn't california- do some.

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Actual assistance on purchases and things like that batteries and stuff, like that.

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They there are programs that finance residential batteries and things of that nature, right, rebates.

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And stuff, so I'm a little stuck on this reduced fossil fuel consumption by supporting.

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Electrification of appliances and vehicles- don't we predominantly depend on fossil fuels.

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You could have solar on your roof and a battery, and you would use potentially less fossil fuel.

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I was reading an article, isn't it we're talking aspirational here right.

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For some reason, you know pushing everybody towards electric. I was reading an article. This.

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Week same as reducing fossil fuels in california, when they just came out with their goals for.

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2035 eliminating combustion engines that, over that time frame with the projected increase in.

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Renewables, they are going to still require the equivalent of 10 to 20 nuclear plants.

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To supply the load, that's necessary for that electrification.

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And you know they have one nuclear plant right now: diablo canyon, you know it's like 900 megawatts.

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They said, depending on the growth of renewables, it's going to be anywhere between 10 and 20. The.

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Need for 10 and 20 nuclear plants to support right the electricity required for a hundred percent.

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And then you have to have uv in california to supply it and the water to cool the things. But.

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You don't get innovation if you don't have, if you don't set goals like that, I think that's where.

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Right, it's good to have those goals that push the envelope, because otherwise the industry just said.

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You can never do it, make it 2075 right right, but I just, I think, there's a notion that ev.

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Electricity for ev kind of just drops out of the sky right, yeah yeah and I think the alternative. I.

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Think eevee is just a transitional step. I I'm not committed, I I don't, I think, to get to hydrogen or.

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Something or hydrogen systems are more likely to take on you've, still got to generate the hydrogen.

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But I think this I mean they're they're systems that are coming out there and there's they're.

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Coming out as commercial, not just prototype stuff, I just you know what you just said is the.

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The grid effect alone, getting getting the power transmission alone is huge. Well, I think we'll get.

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Away from that, we won't have to transmit as much because we'll have power plants everywhere right.

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So the transmission, if everybody has solar on the roof, is that still? How does that factor into the.

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Temperature or you've got a little hydrogen fuel cell in your basement. I think everybody.

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Should ride their bicycle store yeah well, but there will be a lot more. Electric bicycles.

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I understand the the aspirational end of this statement, I'm destroying that there's.

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A way we could word it, which one is the second bullet chasing fossil fuel, I would assume that.

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Is the fourth boy I think the other two? The third and fourth, are probably a little more.

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Yeah, um I think that's you want to say and encourage or and support.

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um Effective ways of expanding the grid, something along that idea.

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I think that's out of our scope.

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On that second bullet, if we wanted to stick with re, reduce fossil fuel consumption, I mean.

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Energy efficiencies, a much better immediate target than electrification, electrification.

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So well, I think I think you could say you know, reduce fossil fuels through.

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Energy efficiency, you know, energy efficiency and promotion of you know individual solar. You.

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Know: alternative power source, renewable energy distribution, power, yeah yeah, but yeah. I just.

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uh As the only approach to reduce fossil fuel, I agree and what appliances are not electric right.

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Now I mean, I guess, you're thinking about weed, whackers and lawn mowers. Type things are there.

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Well, I think vehicles that be a big one right. You get away from your.

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Heat pumps, yes, yep heating system and put in a heat pump, yeah.

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um Or heat pump dryer instead of a gas dryer yeah.

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What if we said, reduce fossil fuel consumption by encouraging.

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If it energy efficiency.

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And adoption of energy, efficient appliances and vehicles.

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Yeah, you could do that. That's narrowed a little bit because the big.

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Potential is in making homes more competing, yeah, so practices and something around.

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Which we're doing now to a degree, I think the goal is just to get a whole lot more aggressive around.

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It right yeah around pursuing energy efficiency measures right because they're, you know, they've.

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The measures have been there and you know some people are really good about taking advantage.

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Of them, others don't pay attention right. So if we led this sentence more with less intent.

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Instead of reducing fossil fuel that we're going to.

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You know pursue more aggressively pursue energy efficiency measures um yeah to support residents.

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So to pursue energy efficiency at their homes and something on that line. Yeah homes, appliances.

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And vehicles yeah, and then that would lead to reduction in fossil fuels. Okay, support residents.

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But how are we going to support them? I mean we're going to go to the yeah through the cpc nh.

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Grants and rebates and through programs for energy efficiency.

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Well, part of its education is make sure people are aware of the programs that are available and then.

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With our leverage at the state level, well, you know we kind of say that in.

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The first bullet educate consumers regarding how to reduce energy yeah.

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Support residents through programs through energy efficiency programs and.

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What is it right? Yeah? I love the colors yeah. What is that amazing here it's evening, colors.

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It's amazing, you can hear it, they must have changed their microphones because it yeah they.

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Yeah I mean they're speakers last couple weeks. I live down right now. They never used to hear it.

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Much more the past couple weeks and it's kind of nice: maybe we scratched that one and just added.

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Educate customers regarding you know um how to reduce costs via energy efficiency.

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As well as other ones up there that we've already used to incorporate it into the first bulletin.

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Incorporate the energy efficiency in a more aggressive pursuit of energy efficiency into the.

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First bullet, I guess the only difference, the the first one's focusing on costs. The second one is on.

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Fossil fuel coming out, you know we could.

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Support residents, what if we just say to keep it simple, just say you know.

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One of our goals is to reduce fossil fuel consumption period.

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How about we say, reduce fossil fuel consumption by supporting by supporting residents through.

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Energy efficiency programs and encouragement of more efficient vehicles and appliances.

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Okay is that land yeah, it's gonna say that again to take the support, resonance and.

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Move it to the other side of reduce fossil fuel consumption, reduce reduce fossil fuel.

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Consumption by supporting residents through energy efficiency programs.

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This keyboard is tough. It's also far away.

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And encouragement.

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Of more efficient electric vehicles and appliances.

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Local energy production and sported.

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Local businesses, okay, any other changes on those.

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Consumer protection and public advocacy.

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um That's pretty clear are the contracts that were referring to the supply contracts or.

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Were um can we go back up yeah? It just bothers me that we say reduce fossil fuel consumption by.

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Supporting and the next one it's encourage local energy production and storage by supporting and.

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So I'm just wondering if we take out if we go, reduce fossil fuel consumption um through energy.

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Efficiency programs and encouragement of more you know shorter, just take out by supporting residents.

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Well, that also broadens it beyond just residents yeah, that's a good point, yep good! Thank you. Alison.

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So that where we say ensure contracts entered in oh yeah, yeah.

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Energy procurement contracts is that, are we.

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Well, there's all kinds of contracts we can. We have the third party contracts.

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We're entering into right right, we could have contracts for home efficiency, we could have.

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So we probably should say third-party contracts or legal contracts or something.

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Just the word contracts, why don't you say like insurers programs represent the interests of.

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Customers, the city of poland, because you get into I mean contracts yeah, you know. Why would we.

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You know, I don't know it just seems yeah too granular. I think the intent was to say.

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Public advocacy, our goal is to not sign anything. That's.

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That's not in the best interests of the residents yeah, it's just a.

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Yeah, so I think the program's just like peter said: okay, I'm sure the program's entered in to.

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Represent the interests yeah, it's not, then what contract? What do you mean? Quite nice.

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I'm gonna have to enter another contractor, they said there's just one. I can get out.

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Okay, so what were you gonna say? I was gonna say you could even just have it.

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Read ensure the programs represent yeah and strike entered into here.

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Yeah, that's true. That means the community power programs. Is that what we're saying programs yeah.

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Do we want to say ensure community power programs to make it more clear? Is that clear.

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Because that's what we're working on I mean: are there other pro.

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I mean: are there other programs that we could potentially be entering into?

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In addition to the community power program, I mean we could become powerful. You know.

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It could be a project, it could be a renewable project.

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Ensure programs and projects could be uh incentive, you know a rebate type thing it could be. Maybe we.

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Say programs and projects yeah because we could be building a local, renewable project, yeah we'd.

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Want to make sure that uh represents the interest of this yeah programs and projects. I like that.

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And we're going to take out any and all ways to modernize the grid and just say.

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Work on ways to modernize the grid and we're coming around the clubhouse turn to the bottom.

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Not the harsh words, that's what we're doing there could be projects up in.

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Lebanon that have no benefit to the city of portsmouth.

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Other than in the long run we're all in the same climate situation. We are benefiting from that. Okay.

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I get it. Portsmouth won't have to pay for that unless it chooses to receive power from it.

H

Like lebanon can't develop a project and then.

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Impose costs of that project onto portsmouth without portsmouth affirmatively.

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Signing on to that project, contract yeah, I understand the argument.

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And will we get to that? Well that my and I we don't need to get into my my concern about.

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The cost abortion and administrative costs so the benefit. How do you ensure that we're not support.

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You know paying additional monies, but that's that's the minutia. That's going to get worked.

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Out later, and that that's what that's, where the board cbc nh board has to wrestle with that right.

A

I think that's the governance on the eversource one I would just give word, get rid of and.

B

Billing just invest around transmission and delivery entity. Billing is just one.

B

Okay kind of one thing that they do.

A

Transmission and delivery, transmission and delivery strike and building and building so.

G

Add trends: oh just straight: every entity yeah move and move the and got it and get rid of delivery.

B

An entity you might want to say utility keep delivery, transmission and delivery. Oh get rid of billing.

B

Just transmission and delivery: what do I do.

G

Transmission and delivery utility get rid of billy.

J

A

Next was a look at the aggregation plan, template.

A

You'll be relieved to know, I don't think we should go through that line by line.

D

No, but actually I I have a question on page 19. It says that um 100 renewable will be above the.

D

The basic utility rate and I'm paying right now less because I'm using 100 renewable energy.

D

Than I would be if I was going through the default utility, so I I don't understand.

D

Why, on page 19 it says that it's going to be more expensive. If you go 100 renewable.

B

You're with a competitive supplier right now, I'm with north american power.

H

So it the table is illustrative. It says that this table provides.

H

An illustration examples of product options.

C

And um it's even I'm curious about your contract. Was it recent that you entered.

H

Into that or yeah I'm in the same situation. No, I I've been in this contract. I mean.

D

It was renewed, but uh yeah, I'm definitely yeah. I mean I think, I'm paying 15 cents.

H

Markets are changing, I'm paying like a little 10 and a half or 11 cents. It's 100, yeah and peter.

D

Said that he was paying less too, but my contract was renewed at a time. Things were more expensive. I.

C

Guess 30 years years ago, that's good yeah, but here this is what I mean exceeds default utility rate.

D

And I don't, I don't know that it should say that for the lost default service.

D

I mean I would, I think, may exceed default utility rate rather than it will, since we have an example.

E

In front of us that I wouldn't object to that or would typically exceed the exceeds yeah.

C

It could exceed, but I don't know if that's true I mean like if you look at the.

D

It's natural gas, that's causing everything to go through the roof.

D

And I think the cost of renewables as more renewables come online, that that is going to.

D

Be less expensive, I mean all projections. Are there it's an interesting question. You know long term.

A

Are we just now, you know permanent era of high fossil fuel prices? I don't know.

C

Well, natural gas, at least for five years, is going to be high in new england.

C

They just don't have the capacity to to right up here right, but so there are three of us.

D

On this committee that have rates with 100 renewable that are lower.

D

So that's what we're saying that it should be may exceed the default utility. Don't we just say maxi.

G

May exceed yes, is that editable henry or is that yeah? That's fine.

G

Oh, I don't have track changes on this. One.

I

I would turn it on yeah. I think you're right.

A

A

That's a good catch allison.

B

So henry you just want to maybe speak for a minute about.

B

Yeah that'd be kind of the updates that we need to do to this kind of beyond the template. Sure.

H

um I could do that. um I was also wondering probably not this moment, but I could also do.

H

A little bit of an update on the coalition, if that's helpful, maybe later, if there's time, yeah.

A

Let's talk about the document first, um so I think you've just done a big portion of that which is.

H

Page 17., your community power objectives, yeah, um so you've just done a lot of that work.

H

And I have some minor updates for you, such as updating a graphic here or there that are dated.

H

um And I guess there's a question on your utility data. I'm not sure where the city.

H

Is at with receiving eversource data, I know we've requested it in john's email. We requested it. They.

B

Peter requested it separately for other purposes, so it wasn't the one that came to the through the.

B

Coalition's template so, and you didn't get the the data that was requested for eversource. That.

B

Kate requested yep, we didn't get what so you guys had requested for other purposes. Originally right.

B

We requested it for the greenhouse gas emissions inventory and was that aggregate by rate class or.

H

How what how did it come? What format did it come in? It was very similar to what we've been getting.

B

But it there was some data that was not provided yeah. They didn't break down the different sectors.

G

That we wanted we wanted, we just wanted the data for um residential, commercial and industrial and.

G

I think they combined commercial and industrial. I think that was our issue and kate was going.

G

To follow up with them right, she did, but I we haven't heard back yet. Okay and there's.

H

No hard and fast, it needs to be a certain way for this plan, um so some of the plans have its.

H

Utilities you're doing it differently and some plans have it differently.

H

So, however, they give it to you eversource, provided it differently to dover than they did to us.

G

Unless ever it wasn't, it was every service that I gave you guys was as as a result of the request.

B

Coming from from the community power yeah letter, the the template, and so it was what you received.

B

Was similar to dover other than there were some things that dover received, that you didn't get.

B

Right so I think we're just missing we're missing some data and it's they're pending responding to.

H

A second request: yeah kate, was following up with them gotcha. So when that comes in I'm.

H

Also available to work with whoever on I can take the data, put it into the plan or work.

H

With whoever on the committee on that as well great yeah, but what we got was consistent with.

B

The other communities, but it just was missing some information right, yeah, okay, yeah. So that's.

H

I mean there's the goals, there's the data and it sounds like there's that's in motion um and.

H

Those are the two main customized pieces. There's some orange text throughout the plan.

H

But I don't know that any of that is um you know. You'll have to put when your public hearings are.

A

Right, that's the timeline piece, yeah, there's a there's, an attachment.

H

Seven- and I guess, attachments, seven and eight.

H

Which are your public planning process where you'll just want to sort of document.

H

This committee's process say this committee was established.

H

At this time it met regularly. Over these months we hosted two public hearings on.

H

These dates and we brought the plan to the city council for approval. So that's attachment seven.

H

And then you've already done the work of attachment, eight, which is.

H

Identify existing city policy excerpts, which we discussed earlier all right.

C

Except some votes, yeah any sort of record of city council vote, city, council policy or votes.

H

On yeah, like establishing committees establishing this committee approving various resolutions, yeah.

A

So we don't have to do that tonight, but we know that's deliverable. I had a question henry about.

A

The city council may now submit this plan for consideration by legislative body. Yes, that is.

H

We can just strike that, because that is appropriate for select boards submitting.

H

To their town meetings, because it doesn't apply yeah exactly so that whole sentence, I think, can go.

G

Is that in here.

G

Or is that in the attachment? Do I have that in here? You have that on page five.

A

Okay, I'll change that under approval process for portsmouth community power.

A

So we would just strike that sentence and adoption of this plan by the city council.

A

By a majority approval of those president voting establishes portsmouth community power.

G

Sorry, I'm in the I don't know what part part of the page. Oh approval process. Okay,.

G

Getting there right, so the city council may now yep that whole sentence can go.

I

Up the legislative body, it's just the first line, it's a short sentence.

D

Just the first, the first legislative body, yeah.

G

Oh got it got it now. I see I'm not looking at the whole thing yep, that's it got it.

A

And we can put city council in there instead of let this light apply.

A

H

And I'm not sure, that's really the bulk of it. um I'm just kind of scrolling. Looking for orange text.

H

But there is some orange text, for example, on page 21.

H

um Where this is it's not likely to change, but it has language like the city council,.

H

Will oversee the program and has overall governance authority? um You know you may.

H

Want to some communities are saying: the city council will oversee the program comma, with.

H

Input and guidance from the committee things like that right and you guys all have the hard copy.

A

Were there any changes to this as a result of the process lebanon went through for those.

A

Of you who don't know lebanon just got their right plan approved by the public.

D

Yeah, I thought that was why it was updated and received received a second version.

H

Yep, so no update, since that it's just it's just good news: full steam ahead. These attachments.

H

That we've created because the pc requested additional detail, worked and they're in your.

H

Plan so we're good to go so the puc didn't have any issues. They just wanted more detail.

H

They just wanted more detail on and it was kind of a smoke screen. It was like.

H

We can't approve this plan because the rules aren't ready. Yet, oh and by the way, we're going to.

H

Just flag a couple of items: we'd like more detail on to sort of cover ourselves, so we did that and.

H

It was, it was, how will you contract for a load serving entity services and what's your customer.

H

Data protection plan, which are fairly boilerplate standard industry stuff, so you've got that in this.

H

That's in this doctorate, yes, okay, super and you'll- probably edit this more, but we're not the electric.

E

Aggregation committee right- that's supposed to be us- would be energy advisory right right.

G

Where is that? And I think it shows up a few places uh right below there? We changed our name.

E

I think it must have just picked it up from another yeah.

E

See at the end of that paragraph right there yeah I mean if it's listed all in the.

C

All over the place, I mean, is it more than just one one area yeah, you could just search and.

C

Replace it then yeah either that or you just define it. You know the committee is this right.

A

We're shifting into military metaphors.

A

A

You know I was talking to lisa sweet saying: how did you get a committee.

A

To write a 69-page document- and she said: oh no, it's it's pretty well written for you and.

A

Aside from the areas that we have to customize.

H

Sam and golding did it yeah.

A

If we're good on that, we can just turn the timeline.

A

A

I think the big the big questions are by statute. We need to do two hearings.

A

And we have talked about doing a community-wide survey.

A

So that we can get feedback on the tiers of service, um so kevin in your.

A

Schedule did you have, let's see well the schedule in general. I think probably needs to get.

B

Revved a little bit because we're just we slipped a little bit, we're not really on.

B

That schedule it's not an issue yeah, but like in september, we said complete the.

B

Complete the rough draft in september, um you know they'd, probably slip out and say we want.

B

To have that our first rough draft completed by is that still september. You want to say.

B

October uh well, we'll meet again for our meeting in october yeah. I don't think.

B

So probably just need to. I don't know if we want to take a second.

B

And just step through the things that we had on the plan here, sure.

A

I'm going to take it away sure I've looked at this in a bit, but.

A

And this is in you're done you're back at dude yeah. Aren't we sort of completing the.

D

Rough draft now can we just sort of do that. I mean you know yeah. We have to replace the the.

D

Orange yeah, we need to fill out our section yeah, but even if um this is just kind of a.

B

List of things that we put together, but even we backed up into like july, we had some things.

B

Maybe we just step through these request city council approval to begin drafting. That was.

B

Done right, we got the vote for that uh initiate discussion regarding community goals. We started.

B

At that yeah we did that establish and I had put something about sub-committees to work on the.

B

Working on the this plan and community engagement, you know I don't know if we need to do that or not.

B

Well, I was, I think, we'll come back to that. Okay, initiate steps to draft the eap. We started that.

B

So we didn't really have a july community engagement channel, but you know that july is gone.

B

So this one probably is something we want to do in the near term. We said we're going.

B

To establish our august through december right, community engagement channels and schedule right.

J

So that's probably a to do there. You know that we want to figure out. What are we going to do right.

B

Over the coming coming months, yeah and just so, I would think that opportunity with ryan.

D

Newcastle would be yeah a september one right october, yeah yeah.

H

And and on that point the um cbcnh risk management committee, which kevin is on recently made a.

H

Recommendation on a partnership with clean energy, new hampshire, and that would add capacity if that.

H

Comes through in terms of working with each committee, like you all, to sort of develop some.

H

Of those community engagement strategies and just provide a little support on that as well great.

B

And we did have one that went in the water bill across the city. I don't know if you were familiar with that yeah. I was that's great.

A

Got some good turnout that request cities aggregate uh load from eversource, so.

B

That has is kind of in process. Puc adopts um administrative rules. So that's really now down.

B

That that's fine, it gets finalized next week. I think right yeah. It should get finalized, but.

H

On friday next year, tweak that so then in august we said we're continuing to draft process so.

B

August, we we didn't meet um finalize community goals and policies, we're doing that right.

B

Now um and then just had one, you know what was our community engagement channel for august? We didn't.

B

We didn't have one right um obtain electric load from eversource. We got an initial cut of that yeah.

B

um City council update and adopt the joint powers amendment, so you did do that. You got to vote on.

A

That yeah, I just did them the same night, yeah so document the document and then in september.

B

We're saying complete the eap rough draft, so you want to move that to an october milestone.

D

You know you have finalized it in october.

D

So I think that's fine, I mean yeah, we could leave it. We have a rough draft right, yeah.

B

Okay, um the cpcnh board approves so this is outside of us. We're just monitoring it. Cpcnh.

B

Board approves the service agreements with vendors. That is that's on schedule. Yeah. It.

H

Might be in october, but I don't think we're going to have that for this board meeting in september.

H

We have we're negotiating we're negotiating right back, we're not we're not approving the contract.

B

We're we're in contract negotiations right yeah, so that that has to move um our september.

B

Community engagement channel right- I don't know we don't need to work on that.

B

We need to work on that so then in october we're saying finalize the eap draft, so we can keep that.

B

Technical review of the draft by cpcnh- that would be you. I assume right to do that for us in october.

H

Yeah, so whenever you're done with the version with the red line and.

H

The changes send it back to cpcnh and me: okay, okay city council um gets an update.

A

Yep in october- and I can put the document in the packet okay and then we'll have a channel for.

B

October, that could be the the event the newcastle ride, energy efficiency event, um and then we were.

B

Targeting our first public hearing for november and the second one in december, that's possible.

A

Yeah, so the rest of the schedule here seems to stay. I mean pretty much. I think the question.

A

Ben's not with us tonight, but he did write me and share his thoughts that he'd actually rather have.

A

More public participation and postpone the hearings in the final votes.

A

If we, if we thought we could get more robust public engagement, yeah so yeah, because we.

B

Don't really have a a burning reason to hold those hearings in november december yeah. We can continue.

B

With more robust communications and and that they could kind of move out, so the only thought I have.

C

Is oftentimes you don't get public involvement until you're, ready to like hit the road running.

C

You know you're actually implementing something and then all of a sudden everybody's really.

C

Concerned so if there was some way to maybe a first hearing would be that and then don't.

C

Have the hearings back to back yeah, you know give yourself, because that you know people think it's.

C

All this is actually happening if it's a hearing yeah, you know you'll you'll start to get people.

C

Engaged and how about this, how about we do a first hearing, then we do a survey.

A

And the survey is broad-based that all of a sudden, everybody's aware and the survey instrument says.

A

Public hearing on this coming up and that drives attendance, yeah, yeah and then maybe even another.

B

Round of public education before we have hearing two right, you know that's that survey and you.

F

Messaging in december is kind of a lost cause, yeah right yeah, and then you get people saying well. You.

C

Tried to select it slip it through right, they're, gonna, say we'll. Do it in august and december.

B

But the second public hearing probably should be more in the.

B

After the first of the year, the final yeah right, why not we're moving that out.

A

And then, after the second hearing we go to the council.

A

Presumably and after the council we go to the puc yeah. So after the second hearing.

B

You know whatever feedback, that we need to dial back into the plan we do, but.

B

That's a requirement yeah and I think there'd be a legal question. Could we.

A

Vote yes at the council.

A

And does the simple vote empower the city manager? Is that all we need or do we need an ordinance? I don't think we need an ordinance.

A

But I'll check on that there's also a nuance in terms of the puc review where you can submit it.

H

To the puc before your city, council actually adopts it, that's a good suggestion. That's a.

C

Time, saver, it's a time saver. So as soon as you know, it's the final version and you've got your.

H

Council vote coming up, go ahead and submit it to the public utility commission and then, if.

H

Your council approves it you're already, you know a week or two into the clock: the 60-day clock right.

C

All right so get council blessing to submit the draft.

C

Right that the comments continue to get and then bring the final document to council for approval.

C

What are you saying, uh I'm saying parallel, so I'm not saying you wait for city council to submit.

H

To pc or wait for puc to submit to council say once you've got the draft that you think.

H

Will is the final draft, send it to the public utility commission, send it to your council.

H

You're not waiting for one or you're sort of doing your level simultaneously. Whoever goes first.

I

Right, typically, the council would vote to say, go ahead and submit a draft. You know or.

C

Or there'd be some some public dialogue to say that right, some committee's submitting something.

B

Because we're not going to be on a calendar that requires you know, urgency, we don't have a deadline.

A

Yeah, so um we don't need to worry about so much that we're burning up we're burning up weeks.

C

There are, there are timelines which are important to folks that yeah.

C

So it's not that you're gonna you're not gonna, purchase we're not gonna. Have the ability to.

C

Purchase your power, but there are, there are steps that need to be taken in a timely manner.

C

To show progress well and politically, a political reality is that you want to get this done early.

A

In 23 so that it's done before the election in november, that's what I was trying to say.

B

So yeah, no I'm not even saying burn up burn up months. I'm just saying there isn't right. The.

B

Well, we won for the wave one gang time is of the essence, where they're just trying to save days and.

B

Weeks but we're kind of in a little different mode, I think, but the counselor's point is well taken. It.

C

Could become a political issue, all right that would be a great male that could derail it for.

J

You know a year or two um and if it and if it's as good as we think it is.

A

We want to get the benefits in the you know spring and summer yep and I think, there's sort of two.

H

Launch windows with eversource's procurement clock where there's the april may and then I think it's.

H

September october, I forget, um but if you're not in either of those, I forget exactly the way it's.

H

Lined up, but there are certain months of the year where you can't launch, because you're in the very.

H

Beginning of eversource's procurement, yeah and and we're we're targeting the the fall launched.

B

But to have everything buttoned up in the first part of the year so a year from now, basically.

A

What would it take to get it spring? Well, all everything would be enabled and ready to go.

C

You would, it would have been secured, you just wouldn't be starting the procurement.

C

Power procurement, correct- I mean you'd- have to get all everything blessed from the poc.

E

And your city council approval by cpcnh february march, end of march and then good market conditions.

B

I I think it's a risky proposition to be in the first wave yeah. Oh absolutely yeah, I'm not.

C

Advocating for that yeah? Well, that's the spring is the first way. Oh, I thought this first wave.

A

Was this fall? No no april. May next year's first wave yeah. I think you get everything buttoned.

B

Up approved through the council, puc everything's ready to go and and um and then we're ready to.

B

Because then, there's also a time clock that leads up to the through the whole notification.

B

Process of customers to the opt-out process, et cetera, has to has to play out.

B

um So I think the the earliest window we've been contemplating was the fall, the fall of 2023 right.

C

So, in order to get that profit, the opt-out process, all that stuff everything has to be in place.

C

All the approvals, so the program is in place and approved councils voted on it, locked it in and.

C

Then it's just a matter of we aren't buying into we aren't locking into the power purchase until.

C

That fall 23, but all the due diligence and all the right enabling work is done. Yeah on the back.

B

Side of this are the the variety of steps that are that take place during the go live window.

A

So henry is there any chance.

A

Once the first wave happens and you've got contracts that towns and cities could be added in.

H

Yes- and I pulled out my little calendar here uh so it sounds like not even part of a wave just.

H

In yeah, it's it's rolling, but it's based on the utilities. um Advanced notification- um let's see so.

H

Yeah you're adding load to the procurement, so they, if right so, you need to know what they're buying.

C

Right now, and sometimes contracts have a you know, you can't add without getting penalized.

C

Or you can't detract right, but what it looks like is say you were approved somewhere in quarter. One.

H

And then puc approval somewhere in quarter two, then the data can come in and the really the.

H

Procurement planning can unfold over may june july and then august and september is that.

H

Second window in the eversource procurement, so august september of next year, could be.

H

um That's good if the market is right, we should aim for that yeah. It seems to me because the.

B

Other thing, too, is we're getting aggregate load data from eversource now, but once our.

B

Plan is approved by the puc, then we go back to eversource and we get customer level data.

B

You know very granular data that is necessary, one for doing the whole enrollment process, but.

B

That data then gets turned over to cpcnh and the portfolio manager to really know what our load.

B

Requirements are because right now, they're they're using more macro just broken out by rate class.

B

But we can't go to eversource and say give us our customer specific load data until our.

B

Plan is approved and, and every source has a window where they have to turn that around.

H

It's another 30 plus 30 days yeah, and I just need to correct a statement I just made so.

H

This the second sort of eversource launch window is october november, and your notifications.

H

Would be going out in august september starts 45 days prior to that right, so the whole process for.

B

Launch would start in the late summer right notifications, meaning when we write the letters.

I

Yes, yeah, and this is what's going to happen and you can opt out right, yes, sort of calpine would.

H

Be doing that broad brush market market perspective is going into the winter.

H

May not necessarily be an advantageous time to go to market there's no hard and fast rules, but.

H

It's possible that the rates aren't as favorable in october november, which could actually push.

H

You out until 2024 to commence the program and then what's that going to do with the.

D

New city council I mean, then everybody everything's, approved, then we're all set.

D

So we don't have to worry about it. Okay, they are so so the approval of the plan isn't defined. The.

H

Final thing is after the plan, then there will be the cost, sharing agreement, risk management policy.

H

Reserves policies and those the council will have to approve okay yeah, but that's after the.

A

Notification letters go on no that's before the notification, so that would be, which is still fine.

E

Because that should be in the late spring right: yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, there's a boatload of stuff.

B

That's associated with approvals coming into the county and then once the plan is approved.

B

Getting data from every source and then there's a fairly substantial window that leads up to launch.

B

But but that activity would start 45 days out from say october 1st, so it would be like middle.

B

Of august, the the window on the last page here of this plan is kind of the bulleted list of the.

B

Kind of granular steps that take place during that window.

A

So maybe kevin uh for the october meeting. We could revise this yeah sure I'll. Do it yeah.

A

Or just send it to us aiming for that august notification on this september notifications.

A

Thank you, people, everybody. Thank you.

A

A

A

To stephanie's point, maybe we have.

A

The public hearings.

A

Either november january, or both in january, I don't think you want to do december.

D

I think november survey january would be good yeah. I think so too that that feels about right.

I

So we'll pencil that and on the hearing piece uh I can provide a slide deck template.

H

um That takes your electric variation plan, puts it into slide, forms.

H

A couple of different sections, so there's I can send that along okay, that's it.

A

All right so we'll revise this.

A

Community engagement's a big topic and it's getting late.

A

I could convene a working group on that.

A

Anybody would like to join me on that. This is to do what the just.

B

Generally outline different community well becca sent a bunch of good suggestions in her.

D

Resignation, email yeah. I think those are all good yeah, it's just a matter of uh if it would help.

F

I could draft a communications plan that'd be great based on the channels that we use all the.

F

Time and then we can finesse it that'd, be great. I'd, be pleased to be included in this as well. Okay,.

F

So maybe if I start with the city of portsmouth communications tools and a plan based on this.

F

Timeline and share it with you, so you can supplement with resources. You have.

F

Then share it with the committee or with you, john, and you can share it with the committee.

F

Right, yeah or we could gather, I could say, who's available to review this.

A

Engagement plan and we'll just have a working meeting. Okay that'd be great.

A

Last thing is uh the letter from lisa sweet.

A

How do you all feel about that? I think it's a great idea and it can be one of our community.

D

Engagement pieces- and we talked about you- know, providing information on energy efficiency and.

B

Then the timing's perfect, going into.

A

Let's do it um do we need council approval for that? Do you think peter.

A

We just do that through staff to do a public meeting.

G

I don't think so we don't get public, I don't think we get council proof of rather.

G

Public engagement, no, we can just set it up at the library, levinson room or something.

D

That's what they're suggesting at the roc? If we wanted to do it, they said they do it here.

E

And if we don't, then we do it right, yeah. They we talked about the limits.

G

So checking on the levinson room is a trick when it fits because they're pretty busy usually are.

F

They doing big public meetings yet yes um does either the zba on the 18th or planning board.

F

On the 20th conflict, potentially with this event, because if so, we should pick the 17th, which is a.

F

Monday and there's not a council meeting that night, I don't think that really conflicts. I mean.

G

Gotta continue. Okay, those are the dates you want to do, yeah, which were those dates again. So the.

F

18Th is their first preference, which happens to be cba. 20Th is also a planning board, but if the 18th.

F

Works, you don't think it's a problem. What does it? What would the time commitment being it's 30 years.

G

She suggests yeah 6, 30., 6 30 to 7, 30 or 8 30. just an hour just an hour yeah. They could even make it.

G

To their meeting, if someone wanted to go to both- and it didn't seem like it was a heavy lift, it's.

B

More or less run by eversource, I think right yeah. The meeting looks like it looked like it. Yeah.

G

Okay, what was the other day 18th in the 18th, 20th, 17th or november 3rd? I I think it's really going.

D

To depend on when that room is available too yeah. I can check that if you want great great great.

B

Should you get back to lisa on that she wants to know by tomorrow? I think.

A

I'll tell her we're in yeah and yeah, and I I can check first thing on the uh library calendar.

A

Yeah, I think this is the year to do it. Yeah energy price is going kooky, baluki yeah. We should do a.

A

Lot of these things you know, I had a friend ask me like right before the rate change. Is there.

E

Anything I can do about them like not anymore anyway, too late uh put on a sweater. That's great.

A

Electric blankets, well, you can't do that. Come on henry just give us a couple minutes on the.

B

Coalition, yes, let's do that um yeah, I don't know how much kevin has told you about. What's.

H

Going on, but I guess just really in brief: um the rfp process for services and credit support is.

H

Shaping up to be a really big success, um kevin's been on that committee and doing a lot of work.

H

And sort of the high level takeaways are there's currently two three firms in contract negotiations.

H

One is uh retail customer services, that's the utility data customer billing, that's calpine.

H

And they are a very well established national company that does a lot um and.

H

Serves many of these community power agencies in california um and new england, apparently.

H

So they do, they don't serve uh this specific function in new england, but they do they're.

H

A competitive supplier, they're competitive suppliers yeah they work with the utilities.

B

But more on the the supply side of the corporation right, they're, also uh offering or putting part of.

H

This discussion is 750 000 in startup funding, part of which could be used to hire a ceo, hopefully.

H

Right out the gate in 2023., um so the second firm is ascend analytics and they're going to do all.

H

The power procurement and the risk management participate in the wholesale market on, on behalf.

H

Of the coalition and its members, uh you know very deep bench of energy risk management experts, phds.

H

They have very sophisticated modeling, they provide this kind of procurement service to utilities and.

H

Community power agencies all across the country um and they were very impressive, they're going.

B

To develop the risk management policy, the cost sharing agreement and the reserve policy they're.

B

Going to draft it initially for the board and then ultimately member community review. So that's part.

B

Of the scope of the work- and there also, um there is a 9 million credit facility as part.

H

Of that discussion, where they will finance the initial power procurements soon, if nine million.

H

Dollars um and they're very flexible in terms of uh financing that initial procurement for the sort.

H

Of there's a you got to buy the power and then 30 to 60 days later the revenues start to come in.

H

And one of the things that was very attractive is they are very collaborative in terms of.

H

We want to support the coalition to build up your own reserves, collect your own revenues and wean.

H

Yourselves off of our credit, so you can be more self-sufficient and that will lower your financing.

H

Costs um so that's very exciting and then the third is the river city bank, financial services.

H

They will just sort of do the banking to you know, manage the flow of all of the cash and sort of.

H

You know there's a hierarchy where the suppliers, whoever you're buying the energy, the money, goes.

H

To them first goes to your service provider second, and accrues into your reserves. Third and there's.

H

A bank that sort of does that fairly standard practice. um There's the board has not acted on a.

H

Recommendation for member services, which is really engaging committees, new new cities and towns, that.

H

Want to join up community engagement, planning um media strategy, that kind of a thing, but the risk.

H

Management committee did recommend partnering with clean energy new hampshire. They were the.

H

One respondent to the rfp that said, we'd like to partner with you to do some some grassroots.

H

Education advocacy media work so that may that's pending action by the board this coming week.

H

um So yeah all good news on the rfp piece and I guess it sounds like you've all heard good.

H

News the puc approved the rules. uh Commissioner, carlton simpson gave a very strong endorsement.

H

Of this as a transformative opportunity for the state and thanked the coalition explicitly and the.

H

Next friday, the legislative committee that has to approve those is going to take them up. So all good.

H

News on the rules front and then I guess the other, maybe update pieces sort of on the member side.

H

um There's the eight to ten members in this wave. One um lebanon's plan is approved. The remaining.

H

Ones of those cities and towns are sort of submitting their plans to the puc this month.

H

And then portsmouth is sort of in this gang of 12 or so that are either going to town meeting.

H

Next year or you and dover are going to town council, new market is going to or city council and.

H

Town council, so there's this growing group of 12 or there's the group of 12, that's moving towards.

H

Next year, then, there's this list of 35 plus interested communities that are at some stage.

H

Of we want to be involved in this coalition, but haven't joined up yet so again. Hopefully.

H

Clean energy new hampshire will come on board to add capacity to support new cities and towns.

H

I guess that's sort of the quick and dirty update how about the ceo search. It's um it.

B

Was kind of paused a bit when we didn't have.

B

Funding side of it, we were going to wait till after launch, so we had revenue, but once we got.

B

Funding through calpine, this three-quarters of a million dollars that we can use for anything.

B

That's startup related plus staffing, we've kind of re-uh ignited that and the it'll be discussed at.

B

A board meeting next week, we're probably going to hire a search firm, a ceo search, firm um and.

B

We've developed developed a request for proposal or request for qualifications and expect the board.

B

Will support moving that forward to hire he or she? You know it'll still take some number of months.

B

I'm sure, but um it would be nice to have a ceo on board. For you know the kind of the launch window.

B

Absolutely yeah and just a couple of the river city bank, it's like who the heck's river city.

B

Man, uh they're they're, very active in the community power aggregation market.

B

In california, so it's a niche and they they're they're a community bank highly.

B

Regarded in california and they can set up shop in new hampshire, so you know you might not have.

B

Seen a river city bank branch here in portsmouth, but they're they're very uh respected, yes and the.

B

Other thing I want to mention too, with uh uh clean energy new hampshire, that's not really their niche.

B

To be providing services, uh but there's a there's, certainly they've been supporting the coalition.

B

From the get-go there's an overlap and with some funding from from the coalition, they can build out.

B

Some resources, through their circuit rider program that would uh support the coalition, but I think.

J

Part of the discussion with the board, though, is eventually, and I think the ce clean energy new.

B

Hampshire recognizes this that, eventually, that activity would be brought in house early summer.

B

All of it would be brought in house eventually, but that's not right out of the gate. So there's a real.

B

Resource capacity issue at this point in time and clean energy new hampshire, um it seems like a.

B

Really good strong, strong partner and and flexible they've sort of like we want to help you as we.

H

Can- and we want to also support you to grow and internalize and we could fade into the background.

H

If you can do this on your own without us yeah, so while they're doing their day-to-day, what they do.

B

Already, well, um you know they would be helping to promote the coalition good good and liquidity.

A

You guys have enough funding, there's a there's, a budget that runs through the end of the year.

H

um That, I think, gets us where what we need and again I think, the money that came through from.

B

Calpine was um was a blessing because it's they've really brought use. We have to kind of make a pitch.

B

To them, what we're going to use it for, but they've been very clear that, if anything to do with.

B

Implementation, it can be used for and then any funds that aren't used.

B

Can then be applied toward their their fees, post, post launch and that's the other thing from a.

B

Liquidity stand, but all these contracts are at risk to begin with, so all their.

B

Their invoicing for their services are post or post launch. So there's no payments to vendors.

B

Between now and and go live, that was a stipulation and all these contracts that they would uh they.

B

Would invoice yeah they get paid when we get paid right? It makes them very motivated for us yeah.

G

I just had one question that you said the the rules is that go to the legislative subcommittee.

G

That's a puc subcommittee. No, it's the joint legislative committee on administrative rules.

H

Jail car is what they call it. I mean that's a legislative committee that has to approve the puc.

H

Rules so joint between the house and senate yeah, and that's next, the 15th that will be the final.

B

Right final approval, so there's been it was going to be the 15th, so we moved the board.

H

Meeting from the 15th to the 16th and then it sounds like jail, car moved the rules from the.

H

15Th to the 16th and now they're trying to get the executive committee of cpc and age to meet.

H

Because they have to move they're, the only ones authorized to do with the board meeting and they.

H

Are going to try to move it back to the thursday, the 15th? It was a mess of emails today, but they.

H

Expect that that approval is just a formality, because there was a an actual review and sign off.

B

On the rules two or three weeks ago, yes, that where um the coalition was thrilled with the result.

H

Yes, and it should be a formality, although we are encouraging members to show up at that meeting.

H

um Just to voice support and just to really bolster make sure there's no funny business. That's.

H

Next week, that's next! Third! That's next friday! Now that's great! We just had our legislative.

A

Committee meeting and the new hampshire municipal association in their policy goals and priorities.

A

Has explicitly said, support all legislation for community aggregation, wow, fantastic.

I

That was nice to see great momentum.

B

And one thing that send is doing too that's kind of outside of the portfolio analysis. Is there.

B

They're, adding resources to project management. This whole thing.

B

Through go, live, there's, like you, know, lots and lots of moving parts.

B

And the coalition doesn't have the resources to to really do that. You know the board members and.

B

Then henry's doing member services and then some and samuel golding is doing what he does.

B

uh So there's just so many moving parts that um the send is going to be.

B

Assigned project managers to not only project managers, their scope of work but calpine, clean.

B

Energy, new hampshire uh river city bank, et cetera, and put a master plan together that takes us from.

B

Here through through go live, so it's exciting. It's a lot. That's happened since june. It's busy summer.

H

Okay, thanks everybody yeah nice work, henry congratulations! Getting there getting there.

A

We went long tonight, but we didn't have a july of august meeting and we got our goals. We got.

A

The bookends of our timeline to flesh that out and.

A

We got our template, I just emailed you the two documents with the edits.

G

Need help with that or what peter we officially learned. Yes,.

G

Well, I guess that's counselor's decision. Looking for a motion to adjourn, I make a motion to adjourn.

E

A second all in favor right, thank you all right, hey carol, recording, stopped and don't forget to.

F

Sign out of zoom, no, I won't you were so signed out of zoo, or was I oh last time some meeting started.

H

Yeah thanks stephanie. Do you want to learn how to printed everything out? Okay, yeah great.