City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Municipal Alliance for Adaptive Management, 14 Sep 2023

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9.14.2023 Municipal Alliance for Adaptive Management

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Thank you thanks jamie. um So while we get started, I don't think we have a huge number.

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Of people, so let's go ahead and um we'll do introduction so introduce yourself. Please.

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And then um just note, if you are a voting member of ma'am or not so that our minutes.

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Can reflect that and I'll give it I'll start gretchen young, I'm the environmental project.

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Manager in dover and I'm a voting number suzanne woodland, deputy city manager for the city.

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Of portsmouth voting member edm rose, rochester city manager and I'm a voting member lawsuits.

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um Public works director, exeter voting number so so des another voting member big.

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Brother's coach public works coordinator for the town of ducting voters.

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um And pardon my parents and um don't be a long ago doing the topic of treatment for.

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What's called solar care post some damage something yeah.

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All right angel uh city of dover, all right I'll, go to um we'll start with jamie.

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Jamie mccarty city of portsmouth, not a voting member right, ariel.

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Ariel wright, newington wastewater voting, member um palomatso, piscataqua region, estuaries partnership.

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Not a voting member all right, danielle, guido epa region, one uh surround water permit section.

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Not a member all right, jim, okay, not a member and steve steve, kutcher, new hampshire department.

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Of environmental services, not a member and lindsay lindsay butler town of newmarket, not.

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A voting member all right. Thank you. Everyone close by close this, I'm not looking at my.

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Emails all right next um is the approval of minutes from the july 13th meeting um that.

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Was a meeting where we discussed the uh residential designated authority destinations move to.

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um I'll, second, all right, um any discussion that we are going to do a roll call vote, because.

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We've got one uh virtual member: it's not right! You need to do that. Okay, all right, gretchen,.

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Young, yes, suzanne, yes, uh katie, yes, uh paul, yes and ariel.

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Yes, all right all right, thank you. They are moving on um now we're going to review the.

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Adopt uh adaptive management plan that was revised for um september 2023 and you'll remember.

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That we had been updating these active management plan in um at the end of july, which coincided.

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With when the permit became uh when we our first adapted management, things required.

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But last year, in working with epa, we agreed that it made more sense to update everything.

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All at once, along with the clf uh oh good and melissa paley, is here good um at the same.

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Time that we update uh our plan projects, which the three larger communities that were in.

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The settlement agreement had agreed to go through our our project on leads, so with that.

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I'm going to get started in the updates for this year. um I'm going to try and do this.

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Briefly, so please anyone jump in if you've got questions while we're going through this.

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Stuff um the background is relatively the same. um There were some updates through the.

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Town and city specific backgrounds, if you want to repair those, um I don't think there's.

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Too much that we need to get into here as a group um and then starting in on the monitoring.

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And ambient water quality in the great bay. So this is the first of the five requirements.

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um As part of the adaptive management plan- and we worked with paula to go through and.

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Update um and paula and brown and caldwell actually to go through an update exactly what.

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um We have been working on because we had. We had done this as part of our original adaptive.

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Management plan, but over the years, as we kind of reassess what we do and reset our phones.

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Things have changed slightly, so um I can go through some of those updates. One thing that.

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I did put in here this year is um the difference between what the theoretical cost allocation.

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Would be if all of the communities participated in funding the monitoring work that prep has.

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Been doing versus the amount that is actually being funded through the municipal alliance.

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Group so you'll see the first we've we've funded. So far um alliance is funded about.

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Three quarters of a million dollars and um you can see the breakdown you know if each.

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Community had been participating in this in sort of a proportional and equitable amount.

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Based on the flow, you could see what each community kind of what that fair share would.

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Be- and I know some communities are donating directly to uh correct for this work rather.

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Than going through the municipal alliance- and I think that's fine- I just wanted to make.

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Sure communities understand kind of what that amount should look like um to be kind of in.

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Keeping with what the municipal alliance so do we have any questions on that.

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What time frame this is since it starts so the it's the two years that we've funded plus.

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Actually, plus the original, um but but three communities put in so.

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So you can see it just it's the more of us paying you to it, the the more work we're going.

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To get done so going through the summary of the plan um uh as it's outlined and as we.

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Outlined in our first adaptive management plan, the starting point for this was the.

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The ramp, the research monitoring perspectives that was put together that was done in 2020.

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It's called a jump in here if I've said anything incorrectly, um they've started there and then.

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Through that work, they've annually been prioritizing different, um different work that they've been.

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Doing adding some things over the years, um some of the specific changes originally, we.

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Had talked about doing the tier one assessments um every two years and we we are doing that.

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Annually now so that uh that's been updated for an annual assessment, the tier two assessments.

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Were originally going to be 50 sites, and um we are now only doing 25 sites and originally.

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We had not been doing any of the river discharge measurements, but we have added that that was.

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Something I think epa I really wanted to see. So we did include that in um and we so we.

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Funded that we actually haven't gotten the results from that, yet some of the updates.

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um I think prep had put together a um a data management system. It had been in its beta.

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Form it's now in uh it's no longer in the beta form, so that is available for the public.

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To look at the data management is there anything else you wanted to add call off, but I've missed.

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Then um any questions on the data that we've probably changed. The adapter management plan.

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This is going to continue to be an iterative process. Well, uh that's going to be kind of.

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What the next meeting is is talking about our focus for the next few years, and um you.

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Know we're going to be funding, but I think that really helps cope with uh what we've.

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Been doing the next one is the methods to track reduction and addition total nitrogen.

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This remains through ptap. We always anticipate it. It's going to be your ptap. There had been.

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A comment in there about um kind of alluding to whether or not ptac was public source.

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And that that comment has been removed, so ptap is the way that we're really focusing.

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Right now, we've been funding it over the last several years. uh A hundred thousand dollars.

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Total so far, it's open to every community, whether they're in man, whether they're in.

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The total nitrogen general permit or whether they're just in the region, um but it's a great.

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Resource for anyone to use- and um so you again and I just kind of talked about the cost allocation.

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So a hundred thousand dollars a bar theoretically. This is what it would have cost um right now.

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The mam communities are soldering. All of that um actually des continues to fund parts of.

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Pt is that correct, not so much anymore, they had yeah, so he hasn't funded it for years.

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And uh it it always needed to find a sustainable funding source. So ma'am recognized that we.

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Really need to have this program for um tracking and accounting as part of the adaptive management.

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So we've stepped up and done it probably not right away. But at some point if, if it doesn't.

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Become kind of proportional across all of the men communities we'll probably want to.

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Set up some sort of like use therapy um or entry fee uh that would take some work and.

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Honestly, I hope we don't have to do that, because I think it's a lot of work or kind of the.

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Same thing, but um that's something we could talk about as er go by um etap is one of the.

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Really really wonderful things about is that it is driven by the communities in in um coordination.

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With des and epa so we know that there's things that are missing in ptac. We know that fewer.

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Extensions are being captured in ptap and there's some other things that are not being.

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Captured in ptac for the long reductions you know people keep going, um but we have the.

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Opportunity to be at the table to continue to work and update. Follow me in appendix we.

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I believe it was of the adaptive management plan. We did get a report from each app. This.

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Year, using the bat system so jamie who owned his team uh stan uh daniel mcadams there.

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Where they took all the inputs, they were able to run it through the bad system and and see.

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What our reductions were, so you can see in the first page, um looks like dover and portsmouth.

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Have put in most of their municipal vmps and um so that's kind of accounting for all of.

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Our municipal work, that's in there rochester has really gone all out done. An excellent.

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Job of putting in all of their bfts throughout the city, so that shows a really good reduction.

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That they've achieved in rochester. I think it's worth noting that uh dover will eventually.

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Have all of it in we're in the office of doing a um a stormwater utility so as gathering.

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Data for the private properties for the stormwater utility will put it into ptap as well, but.

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Right now, this only includes new developments and new redevelopments um other communities.

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Have been participating as well, I know newington was able to get a number of their bmps in.

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This year, and uh so that's just kind of something that we've got to keep working on, keep rolling.

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Out um jamie hall and sally solar are available to help anyone that have questions on how.

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To do it, um I know daniel would say you have to make sure that you have given the bmp you've.

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Checked it off as being installed, otherwise it doesn't count when you, when you actually.

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Run the numbers, so I think some communities maybe have a lot that were in there, but because.

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They weren't installed. It didn't count in these numbers. The other really nice thing.

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About ptap is that we're able to find the total phosphorus and total tss numbers.

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Associated with the bmps that are being removed- and I know right now- this total nitrogen double.

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Permit really only focuses on nitrogen, but I think we all recognize that there's more.

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To it so having these other reduction needs is good. um I've also shown on this jeep the.

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Reduction is just the three plants that we're able to share with me or not free plan, so.

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Through communities, these are the reductions at the wastewater treatment facility that.

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Are above and beyond what? If it's been permitted um and just during the growing season and.

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You'll see portsmouth has really knocked it out of the park, done really really well. Newington.

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To be honest, for the size has been extremely well as as well and dover we're kind of disappointed.

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With our um performance this year and you'll see, we are um upgrading the plant to help.

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The numbers be better, was also really might be, or everyone knows so I and I continues.

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To be in between any questions on these printouts or reports,.

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Do you know anything you want to add? um I guess I would just stress, as you said, threatening.

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Just because it's in t-test doesn't mean you get credit. So if it's a new entry and it's.

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In the process, that's that's what it's for that's great, but there's a lot that are finished.

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But just a talent administrator has to go in and approve it and change the status to.

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Constructed and improve and there's about 200 entries in there that are not getting.

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Credit pretty simple, I think the takeaway of this is that the progress is going. It's going in the right direction,.

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And it's still going to take a year or two more to really have this become streamlined.

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Into our process and really have the ptap capturing everything, um I think the the infrastructure.

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There is there within the system to do it. We just have to get used to inputting all.

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Of our our data, okay, scratch another question about yeah, he's happy uh and daniel. I guess.

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Maybe this is for you is there a way that that epa could get the printouts in an excel.

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File, like is a spreadsheet form, or is it always just pdf.

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From ptap or from script, I guess.

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In excel yeah like the stuff, that's in the adaptive menu easily, so that that is a direct.

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Output from that which is saved as a word final in this format, so it's it's not easy.

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To change to excel.

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Possible, yes I'll, look into it word we could like copy and paste. Pdf is the worst option.

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Yeah but I'll figure it out thanks, but um if you would like the word, we can definitely.

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Get that that would be helpful to start at least yeah, so we can at least we could get.

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Into excel ourselves that way, um but maybe we can think about you know if there's a way.

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On the bat end to do it, yeah.

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Okay, cool thanks and for folks who aren't super familiar with this um ptap is where.

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We do all the inputting, the bat is actually the tool. uh I don't know what it stands for.

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I don't remember yeah.

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Go ahead [music] or something that is created by epa and it has been given to us and it.

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Uses the performance curves that are in the ms4 permit, so it's right. It's kind of the.

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The most current way of talking gluten productions ever.

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And one more comment on ppap is that actually, uh I believe we're going to start tracking.

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Land use changes this year, you're going to do a push on land use changes yeah. That's.

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What it um so this year, there's been a lot of discussion when you put your information.

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Into ptap it does track your winning news changes site by side by side, um and we always.

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Said it's going to take an every five year. Look at land use changes to see what's happening.

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Regionally, and so this coming year will be a five-year check-in on on how we're doing.

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So we'll have more information about that yeah all right going into the overall source.

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Reduction plans, so this the intent of this is to make sure communities are planning how.

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They're going to achieve source reductions- and um this was something that was a part.

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Of the adaptive management, specifically in the uh clf settlement agreement with the three.

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Portsmouth rochester and dover communities. We agreed that we would updo beans every year.

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We would send them out two two weeks in advance and that we would review them at a meeting.

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Setting like this, I think, instead of just going through every single one, like we've.

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Done in the past um of healthy communities will just kind of touch on the highlights.

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That they want to share and then melissa. This is your forum to ask any questions um really.

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Anyone can ask questions, but specifically from a clf perspective, if there's anything.

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That you're, you, you have questions about.

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All right and then just following the order, I'm going to get started in dover. um One project.

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That I like to talk about is uh how street culvert replacement. This is not anything that.

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We had planned, um we had an undersized older culvert and it actually was contained very.

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Broke because we've done a ton of work on and uh what was it march of this year, yeah.

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It blew out, and it just you know huge mess and uh it's not huge like right up street.

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Is one of our small residential streets, um but it ended up being about a hundred thousand.

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Dollars worth of work, uh there was permitting involved, and while you can't really say that.

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There's a nitrogen reduction. I think we all know that removing those constructions is.

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A huge improvement to the water quality, um so we don't see any credit that shows up in.

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Vtech, but that was a project that we did, that is certainly a benefit and a hundred thousand.

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Dollars and just kind of unprotein cost um two of our biggest reconstruction projects.

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Corp and fifth and growth, those are two neighborhood or uh entryway brackets that we're doing.

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Those progressed and we'll be going up to bid this year in the fall um both including.

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All sorts of bmps and pavement reduction and water quality improvements, um one other one.

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That has been on the books for many many years is a huge uh redevelopment oak, broadway and.

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Central it's kind of a triangle and then there probably since paul's lossage, I'm sure.

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But we've we've properly funded it as much funding, but it's properly funded in the cip.

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So for years, that money has been knew way too low and we're now acknowledging it's going.

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To be about a 27 million dollars project, I know it hurts, but at least we're actually.

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Talking about the real numbers, which I think it gets us closer to actually do anything.

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There's a stream that goes underground through there, um it's upstream of what we did with.

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Our broadway homework, so I I wanted to point that out even real dollars. um [music] Absolutely.

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Under people's homes, yeah yeah, so you I mean we have every incentive to get out there and.

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Do it, except for the dollars, and so now at least we're talking about the real dollars.

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um uh We've been talking about them for years, but dover has continued to make progress in.

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The stormwater flood resilience utility and we're looking to have uh city council take.

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A boat at by december of this year so keep everyone up to date on that um we keep working.

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With leaf liver uh leave management and we're going to head in to do another big street.

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Sweeping this year um that was came from our uh was kind of a result of our clean sweeps.

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Program that we did through ptap and we really recognize how much uh load reduction you can.

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Get by really going heavily after street leads. um We continue to push slow release, nitrogen.

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So all city property has uh organic soil released within um any new development is supposed.

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To be using organic or slow release, nitrogen and fertilizer as part of their long-term.

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Operation and maintenance plan, we don't we're not going and checking and enforcing that.

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But that's in there and then um in partner of our stormwater utility. We're going to be.

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Crediting offering a five percent credit for um uh both residential and commercial properties.

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That either pledge or can prove that they are losing uh slow release. Organic nitrogen.

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Or no nitrogen, no fertilizer, so um we'll continue to kind of make some headway on that um and.

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Then I I mentioned that dover's plant underperformed this year, but we do we've already purchased.

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And are in the process of having installed um upgraded, aeration system and we're in the.

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Design for a second um secondaries, a third secondary settling basin, which will really.

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Help us with these peaks that we're doing um that we're seeing in the plant and then.

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We put some real dollars for us influence infiltration a million dollars for next year.

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To start going after the ini that we're seeing in downtown areas- um and so you know those.

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Are real dollar? Hopefully they don't start to make an impact, um the other one I want.

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To mention uh the last one I want to talk about is um we spent about fifty thousand.

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Dollars this year with an intern, maybe a little bit more um doing alcohol testing in the wet.

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Weather and I will say that that is a dangerous. uh It's it's not my favorite thing. I don't.

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Like it, when she's out there in this torrential day, loses collecting things and out balls.

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I'll often go out with her um it's a lot of work, you're kind of beholden to the rain and.

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We have not had a single, uh a single alcohol, that's um indicated or anything. So I just.

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Kind of want to talk about the return on investment with that we'll continue to do it as part.

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Of the ms4 permit, but but um it is kind of the one of my least favorite parts of that.

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Apartment, so that that's why I'm flipped over.

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Any questions your 100 000 ini, you probably are going to try to get into the private side. Yeah can.

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You talk a little bit about what that means. Yeah we've been working with, I mean bill and.

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uh And dave frederickson who's taken over as deputy director, we talked a little bit.

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More about that, but uh we're working with the private developers. We bring the line to.

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Them and then they have to figure out how they're going to do their internal work to.

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Connect, we haven't threatened and threatened any lines or we haven't even really figured.

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Out how we would go about doing it, it's been kind of voluntary compliance, but we're grudging.

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You know not enthusiastic voluntary compliance, um that's slow going but um yeah. It's just.

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We realize it's priority. We've done a lot of um work finding where the the um connections.

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Are uh now we just have to work with private developers to you know really really handle.

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It into to disconnect, I don't think, dover's interested in funding. Any private work will.

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Get as close to the property line, but we're not going to go redo internal, but that might.

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Be a policy decision that we've butt up against so you know now: we've got this big push. It's.

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Gonna have to definitely question good question. Any other communities dealing with that. Yes,.

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I think um one of the historical challenges we've seen is that some of those private drainage.

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Systems that they'll deliver to connect to our public system are in uh sort of portions.

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Of our communities that are on the lower socioeconomic scale, and so it's harder to say buying the.

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Money to make those additional investments in your infrastructure before because simply.

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Because of the you know, we already have a housing issue, a portability issue, and so I.

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Think those are some of the challenges that we're seeing and certainly some of the money.

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That we've been able to get um sort of collaborative money, cdvg money um uh we've had some state.

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Partners and then working with the homeowners or the associations to kind of put a whole.

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Bunch of dollars together and then the city is part of a voice um in terms of how to really.

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Redo that infrastructure for the long term, but it it's a big effort, yeah, it's a big effort.

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And it needs funding usually from multiple sources, because the homeowners themselves.

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And, however, it's organized depending on it, they don't. These are two bigger projects and.

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They need a more sophisticated partner, yep and that's where the municipalities could.

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Sometimes step in and help put the pieces together that need to come together to make.

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Those projects succeed, but that's sort of some of the challenges. Yeah we see yeah, I'm.

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Glad you brought glad this because I think we should keep this as a topic that we talk.

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About because you guys are further had I really haven't done anything like that, but that I.

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Think it's absolutely we're going to get there. I have to figure out how we're gonna do. I.

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Nice we'll keep that as a topic in this group. So exeter has done some work on the private.

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Side of the eye tonight and it's the private side that pushes a lot of the eye on because.

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Of some pumps and roof gutters and mess with it, so we've had two projects. Now am I talking.

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Loud enough with a roof repair, can everyone hear yep? Okay, so we've had two projects and.

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If we're in place on the sewer line just like dover, we replaced the sewer service to the.

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Profit on now, this private portion that I'm talking about uh and it's not every project.

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It's it's only two so far that if the homeowner wanted to replace the sewer line from the.

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Property line to within five feet of the house, there could be a program but to be in that.

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Program, you had to say that you were going to get rid of all your ini, your sump pumps.

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And if there was a drain line, that's close, we would bring that to the broadway mind. Also.

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So now, how do you pay for that work on the private property? So they've done this uh twice.

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It's very similar. They approved that the homeowner pays the first thousand dollars combined between.

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The two and then the town picks up the rest and then to pay back that thousand dollars.

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They can either do it lump sum up front, or they had 10 years to pay it back on their.

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Sewer bills, which is for a hundred dollars a year for something like that, it's a no-brainer.

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But the important part of all of that is the removal of the private iodized section yeah.

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Events worked out, one group uh most of the houses took it and then the second project.

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We didn't have all that much well, they only uh I'd, say 20 of the people. It's a good model.

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Though, that's interesting.

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All right, congratulations! Yeah! Sorry! Just um in response to um portsmouth's comment.

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On the sort of uh maybe communities with ej concerns, epa did just announce for um ej to.

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Have a program for these technical assistance centers um so that grant just went out to.

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Like actually start the technical assistance centers, but once they're up and running the.

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Idea is that they would help communities with ej concerns to secure federal funding for.

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Different projects and help with translation services and all those kinds of things so.

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I don't know if that might be something that those communities could tap into to get kind.

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Of some federal money or other or their, you know, help writing grants for funding for infrastructure.

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Projects, thank you, yeah yeah. Thank you that that makes a lot of sense. Okay, I'm gonna go.

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On to the next community, which I think is milton- and I don't see anybody from milton.

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Here today, um but they did not, they did not get me any updates. um Newington ariel. I'm.

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Not going to put you on the spot because I know it's not um yeah so so. Newington is a.

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Little bit different in that area works for the sewer um she works only at the wastewater.

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Treatment plant and the we, um the recap, and actually kill some green here since the best.

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um uh Having started working with the planners to really explain, what's going on with.

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Ptap and what's going on with the municipal alliance, I think there was some disconnect.

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So they are getting up to speed, um so I didn't get a project list from them. However, I I always.

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Point out that newington um is not an ms4 community, but did, and one is one of the first.

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To adopt the um the uh stormwater standards in the uh swa model ordinance, and so they.

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Have very strict development and redevelopment standards in their planning process and we.

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All know that they are newington is undergoing and will continue to undergo every substantial.

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Redevelopment in their commercial areas, so they are poised to have reductions based on.

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That um so I don't have any specific uh newington funded projects, but I do see that they have.

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Plans for um reductions, so I don't area- is there anything you wanted to add after that.

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Good job with that yeah I mean we're seeing a lot of redevelopment um as it is we'll have.

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Probably a hotel going in within the next year and then uh chick-fil-a just took over.

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Where um this uh japanese steakhouse was um over towards the mall and then with uh torrington.

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Taking over the mall area, we'll see what comes of that, but it's it's looking like it's going.

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To be huge, yeah, yeah and then worth noting that you guys are just uh really well performing.

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At the wastewater treatment plant yeah, our nitrogen numbers have been great melissa. Do.

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You have a question yeah ariel, I'm not sure if you'll know the answer, but to the does.

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The storm water um does the stormwater ordinance apply throughout the community or only to.

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The um town center and mall area, because there's a lot of residential development happening.

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um Some of it waterfront, you know uh in in waterfront areas of the community, so I'm just.

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Wondering if those developments are also subject to your storm water ordinance, I would I would.

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Assume so um because uh well, town hall is in charge of overseeing the stormwater portion.

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um So unfortunately I don't have any information on that, um but I mean I know that they they.

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Have it set up so the stormwater is redirected somewhere, but I'm not sure like what the layout.

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Is at all jill, do you have any idea yeah, the entire town is subjected to the storm water.

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um uh Regulations and the new development, actually that went in it, has been entered.

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Into ptap, that's that's the one product that has been entered. Okay. Thank you. That's awesome.

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All right works on we're out ready. All right. Sorry, do you have a question yeah sorry. I.

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Probably should know this, but um ariel the great reductions in nitrogen that you noted.

G

Is that a recent thing, or is that just sort of been continuing over the last years is.

G

There a been an improvement that I just missed.

F

um I mean I, I can only speak for as long as I've been running this facility, um which was.

F

Back in november, um and we've continually had low levels, um at least underneath a three.

F

um All throughout these past couple months: okay, so this is this: isn't like you, you made.

G

A recent improvement, and that's why you made the note it's more like this, is just how the.

G

How the facility is operating? Yeah? Okay, great! Well! That's that's fantastic! Thank you! The.

G

Reason I kind of talk about it is a recent. It's it's relatively recent in the minds of.

B

The newington residents and planning staff, so when we go to them, they said well, we just.

B

Made this huge investment down at the wastewater treatment plant, which was what like five or.

A

So years ago, not that long ago, um so so not within the last year, but within the last sort.

B

Of decade, okay, thank you all right. Warren smith and I think jamie jamie's gonna run.

C

The summary sure um so, we'll start with our wastewater treatment plants, um pierce island.

L

uh You know we were we um discharged 38 000 pounds less than uh is uh permitted. So that's.

L

That's awesome and then at the bees plant an additional 30 000 pounds less so for a.

L

Total of sixty eight thousand pounds less than what we're permitted for so um and that's.

L

That's up from last year and we're targeting uh you know we're continuing to uh improve.

L

The efficiencies over at the plant um and so we're targeting uh numbers higher than.

L

That uh for this current growing season and and the next year.

L

um I'll just highlight yeah go ahead. Just point declare: do you mean higher, as in a higher.

K

Negative number, a higher negative number. We will be saving, we will be further below the.

L

Permitted amounts. Thank you.

L

um So I'm just going to highlight a few of the projects that we have uh underway, we're.

L

uh Well into phase two of our islington street uh project, which is um has quite a bit of.

L

Sewer separation going on there, um we are also in the um municipal land and redevelopment.

L

uh We're redeveloping an old uh stump dump area uh into a recreational facility skate.

L

Park installing uh nitrogen removable bmps as part of that um some other projects that.

L

We're working on that I'll highlight you know: we've got a lot of the same things that dover.

L

Is doing as far as street sweeping catch basin cleanings that type of stuff, but we now have.

L

Substantial completion of um the sagamore avenue sewer extension project, um all the.

L

Mainline pipes are in and we're you know actively working on connecting customers to that system.

L

uh That's about all I have unless suzanne wants to add anything. uh That's a fair summary.

C

Of kind of the the highlights, and although I'm happy to answer questions there are questions.

C

Of particular projects that we've got going for this week.

H

I do have a question, so a lot of your projects have sewer separation. Is there any way? Is.

H

There currently any way of teach app to kind of capture that nitrogen reduction or something.

H

We have a curve for that. Quite yet. No there's not, but we acknowledge you can put it in you.

B

Can put it in because it's there and I think that's a big push to get that updated this.

B

Year so hopefully our ptat numbers will reflect that next year, right daniel, that's right, yeah.

I

So it's basically currently a placeholder, so we want people to put in information. They.

I

Can count it and then we can always go back and once we're ready to put in calculations.

I

Because there's currently not a good way, currently we have we. I think we can figure it out there.

A

Is yeah you just have to run the actual credit and yeah through you guys, so we're all on.

A

The same page, but I think I think there is a way to mathematically calculate it: okay,.

H

I think we are making some inroads too um on how to kind of evaluate performance of.

H

Reductions from sewer separation, so there might be more to come from us as well. You.

K

Know I think the one other piece that's maybe worth mentioning is. um We did have a major.

C

Land acquisition this year out by the bellamy reservoir- um and I don't remember, jamie how.

C

Many acres, but it was basically preserving from development. um A very significant piece.

C

Of property um along the bellamy reservoir, so within the watershed and we've been saving.

C

It from development is definitely a benefit across the board for water quality. For the.

L

Reservoir believe that was 80 acres of land. That's about right is that is that a new acquisition.

K

Because there was an acquisition in last year's adapt adaptive management plan. Also, is this.

K

Something that happened, I think it's the same one. I think we're talking about this. It took.

C

A couple years to make it happen actually did one too that we had intended to work with.

B

Portsmouth on, but we're able to actually do it entirely in dover. um It's actually madbury.

A

Property abutting some portsmouth excuse me some dover property, but there that was probably.

A

50 acres too, I didn't even account for that, but that there is a lot of conservation going.

A

On around that bond and as you know, ptap does not account for conservation yet, but brian's.

A

Been championing that for years, so we'll figure it out he's on it jumped on the right time.

M

L

um And actually, I will also note you know to go along with um what gretchen mentioned.

L

With her activities as far as we've we've completed, we've got well. uh We added a couple.

L

Outfalls this year, so we're up to 209 outfalls that um that we monitor in the city. uh We.

L

Have done wet weather sampling for 75 percent of them at this point and similar to dover.

L

We have not found any sewer indicators uh when we sample during wet weather at those.

L

Outfalls um and we've also completed about 70 percent of our attachment investigations.

L

Associated with those uh out falls also so um so far so good. As far as.

L

Well worth talking about the return on, invest.

L

Ment, oh, it's. um I've got two full-time people that this is our. This was our third season.

L

um Doing this so they you know, we don't have them work overtime, but they have to flex their.

L

Schedules in order to um you know, meet the storms when, when the outfalls are flowing.

L

um And uh if we didn't have two full-time people whose jobs you know they have other.

L

Responsibilities but when it rains they're going out sampling- and you know if we didn't.

L

If we were trying to do that with existing staff um laborers uh that type of thing we.

L

Would not be able to complete that task, um so a lot of time and money and really no return.

B

On no, we have not found any any sewer indicators yeah. Thank you. That's a good point to bring.

M

Out yeah return in what way, I'm? What do you mean by that gretchen? I would say: there's.

B

No, I I don't, I don't like it because I just think it's so dangerous um and we have not.

B

Had any nitrogen reduced by that activity or really you know, there's not really been.

A

Any water quality improvement associated with it and it's expensive and it's you know I.

A

Just think it's worth talking about that that activity right versus what we used to do, which.

C

Is when you had some indication because someone was out walking, their dog noticing smells.

C

Notice of discoloration and then they report it to public works and you investigate because.

C

That is the way we used to do. You know follow-up when they were kind of noticeable concerns.

C

And then we would go out and do our investigation, um I'd, say even dry weather, which you know.

A

Shows you flow and stuff and allows you to do that, but it isn't. Quite so you know dangerous.

A

And dark in the middle of a deluge, and sometimes after hours, and things like that, um slippery.

A

Conditions, yeah slippery conditions, homeless, people um I mean it's just yeah. I don't know.

L

No, we have, we have quite a few that are really difficult to access, because you know being.

L

Coastal and on the river and um yeah tides, yeah tides, flash flooding, I mean there's so.

A

Much and you know so, if you've got two interns out there doing this it, it is a little nerve-wracking.

A

I just bring it up. Is that lewis's yeah melissa is that your hands are yeah, it is. I am very.

K

Interested to hear more about this because I know a lot of communities are talking about sort of wet weather sampling as a way to try to identify hot spots. And you know if it's.

K

Not a fruitful way to to do that, be uh anyway. I'd be interested to learn more about this.

K

But my question was specifically about the sagamore um ave, sewer, separation um or septic.

K

Disconnection sewer extension, um and I mean I know that that project came about. You know.

K

Through as a mitigation project, um but um not you know as a sort of tngp sort of a project.

K

But I think it might be worth um thinking about the value, the relative value of of sewer.

K

Separation, um you know uh the cost versus nitrogen load reductions, um you know and that.

K

Sort of thing because other communities may be or other parts of portsmouth. Indeed, you.

K

Know might might be considering uh sewer separation, so you know, as far as um a strategy to achieving.

K

um Objectives under tngp is there a larger discussion to be had about. um You know when.

K

And where this makes sense, do you mean sewer separation? No, I mean and sure extension I'm sorry I keep using for.

K

Yes, your extension as.

C

I've got that on my brain suzanne. Yes, um there was a whole lot of that was a very good meeting.

K

By the way, but um but anyway, you know I'm talking about sewer extension uh as a as.

K

And- and I know if that's something that rochester has um given some thought to in certain areas.

K

As well as dover, so you know maybe sort of using your experience in portsmouth on sagamore.

K

As a kind of a case study, for you know the cost benefit analysis and and so on definitely.

C

Happy to review the numbers, it certainly was a much more expensive project than we had.

C

Originally anticipated, um I will say this: our city council, political body did uh appropriate.

C

Funds uh to basically encourage uh connections um by making it fairly cost effective. um We.

C

Purchased the pumps uh that had to be used because the oil pressure system, in order to.

C

Connect up and we prioritize those with failing systems and etc. So you know it's not everyone.

C

Is wants to take advantage of that or leaving it voluntary right now, when you connect to.

C

Any of the functioning septic system, but we are, it- was over a million dollars, as I recall,.

C

Brian or jamie you can remind me, but it was over a million dollars that we've put towards.

C

um Supporting these connections connections, private connections, correct yeah, um well, what.

C

About that said, more absor extension, yes about 90, 90 properties affected. You have to give.

M

Or take 100 yeah 88 is yeah. Thank you. Thank you yeah. um So we're also, you know. We we border.

M

um Communities that are interested in expanding sewer, so you know my thought is what look.

M

At that there's two of me on the screen. Now it's a little scary.

M

So, like we've got lafayette road and rye. That has some interest in bringing sewer down to.

M

Where there's current septic we've got greenland in their commercial area along route 33., you.

M

Know that's interested in septic, I mean in you know sewer. You know what the who, who and.

M

Who would get the credit for that? I guess to some degree, it's like you would.

M

Well, we wouldn't you know, we're not gonna pay for it. I mean that's the thing it's like.

M

It would be, you know the people along the way, but still you know, would be our coming.

M

To our system you know so yeah we would treat it definitely and then go through the rest.

M

Of our pipes to get there so yeah all right, I'm happy to give you a wand and wing yeah.

E

I feel like, I think that that I think that's kind of like what was so great about this.

A

Permit is that it could you couldn't think outside I mean I I would advocate for portsmouth.

A

Yeah and I I will say that we're definitely failing systems in the area where we brought.

C

Out the sewer, it is a long and impaired water body, you know it and a lot of the properties.

C

That we're looking at are within that you know sort of critical area next to the water.

D

Body, so all right there, so brian uh you talked about bringing some of your neighboring towns.

D

Into your system and uh remember, you've got a maximum daily limit of how many pounds of.

D

Nitrogen can discharge. Do you plan on if you do that, going back and trying to get that.

D

uh Maxwell daily enhanced because now you're bringing other areas that are not your city.

D

You're, not your town into that system,.

L

This morning about that, because I had a feeling that question might be asked, would you like.

C

To answer it jamie right now I'll try! You can tell me if I'm off, but uh we're currently.

L

Running at we've got an additional 50 capacity that we could treat and still meet the limit.

L

um And we're also uh we've reduced we're seeing a reduction in um in inputs into the plan.

L

Down 10, so um you know through water efficiency and sewer separation. um So you know I. I won't.

L

Speak for others, but you know, I think we we definitely have the capacity to add on more.

L

Customers specifically in the permit to um right.

C

Portsmouth is uh been pushing to to get the max day out because we're really that's not.

C

A good indicator of water quality complaints, but but the permit actually specifically allows.

K

Communities to increase their uh daily maximum uh load if they are disconnecting uh septic.

K

So I don't know about extra municipal interconnection and how that would impact the permit. But epa.

K

Folks, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is accounted for in the permit or allowed.

K

Under the permit, so so we have capacity. I can tell you that we could talk more right.

D

I'm gonna worry about 100 years. I know, we've got it now. We've got it now and receivable.

C

You know before at least well, I'm still doing this job.

E

All right, katie, sorry, your uh I'll, take a similar approach and run through some of the highlights throughout our report.

A

I won't point on each one, but we did have some updates to estimated will production.

A

Conventional numbers, so that is sprinkled throughout our updates under plan structural.

A

Bmps you'll note that for colonial crimes there were extensions speaking of sewer extensions.

A

Phase three construction of drainage infrastructure improvements is 100 complete and we're moving.

A

On to design for phase four and 2024, um these are all very excited that shoppers were around.

A

About is scheduled to be complete this december and we'll be a great um improvement in our.

A

Downtown and it'll be nice to have that construction project. That's a lot of impact. No traffic.

E

Hopefully, um union treatment parking lot. uh We are working on finishing touches on the final design for.

A

That project, okay, moving on to the non-structural bmps, those are all continuing efforts, so I want.

A

Them too much we just continuing to our great resources and find there.

A

Other efforts, as gretchen had touched upon, rochester, has been working hard to enter into.

A

Ptap, all of our existing municipal structural vmps, as well as a new effort in 2023, was the.

A

Entry of existing private ents, so that was a big undertaking that we had congress on.

A

This past year, I will also update under other efforts um that are.

A

The water street redevelopment project- that's actually underneath.

E

But um the other effort.

A

Are throughout the court was updated for the nitrogen source identification report in june.

A

2023 to include our plan, retro fits and estimated costs of feasibility, so we're going to continue.

C

To review potential catchments with highlight potential over the next year into the future.

C

Oh jessie set the receiving facility. Upgrade we've been talking about this ongoing from.

H

2021, our evaluation concluded that receiving sepage at the headworks facility did not significantly.

H

Impact secondary or tertiary treatment processes, so we do have that data now forward.

A

um We're going to move forward with construction upgrading through 2024.

A

C

And then the last project I wanted for an update on is our water street project and.

A

An update that is an update from actually this report as well as that we had our kickoff.

A

Meeting for that project.

C

A question: how did you um or who did you assign to put in all that information on the private.

C

Bmps we've been utilizing geosyntex, so we did have a resulting help running.

I

He's been a great resource for us and we're taking that effort.

I

I

Enter in every entry individually is that that really helps yeah. Okay, leverage that.

A

Technology- and did she just go through like planning documents, um yeah coordination, planning documents.

C

And now that we have studied also with our ordinance as well.

C

And then print out showed a lot of great stuff in rochester, but it did not capture your colonial.

A

A

There is, you know, it's definitely a way to enter it in there. What you need to think about.

A

Calculating it, I think we can figure it out, but I think yeah. So I wrote it as something.

A

For us, but okay, yeah.

B

All right any questions.

B

Just uh just curious how many um septic systems were disconnected through that colonial pines.

K

Extension sewer extension three of four, so it depends upon which phase? um I don't have a total the date for you, but.

H

I can send it to wine, she said it says. um Just for what was done last year was 71 properties.

A

For phase three with 71 properties and then write these 471 last year, a lot I mean that's.

A

A lot man it's good and if, as suzanne mentioned, it is an expensive, slow effort in years in.

C

The making sort of plugging along with it, um but we are seeing a lot of connections.

E

So involve it great, so then I've got um rollins bird. I don't know if anyone's here from rollinsburg.

A

I did not get an update from.

A

Well, no because you've got your separate update; okay, unless you want to absolutely yeah.

D

This is and I'll start out with the freshwater treatment facilities. Our guys are doing a.

D

Very good job and they're about producing less than that three milligrams per liter.

D

Right now so kudos to them. We talked earlier uh today about I and I we just finished a.

D

Project and we are under design with another project that was mostly centered around ini.

D

Removal direction that was part of our previous discussion also, we also used to until the department.

D

Of laborer gave us a visit, I had a um acceptance receiving facility and that really helped.

D

And I don't know the chemistry involved here with the uh denitrification process. We had.

D

To shut that down, but we're uh we're got the design done, we should be going out a bit for.

D

Whatever improvements we need to be in 2024, we expect to have that in the fall of 2024.

D

Back up and running.

D

We have a healthy lawrence education program. I also deals with some flyers. We're not done.

D

With that yet or the independent running, but that is underway.

D

A land use regulations- and um this is probably.

D

To me, one of the most exciting ones, because here you can start planning how you can make.

D

A difference- and I had our account planner- give this to me here this morning. um uh The.

D

Exeter planning board I'll just read this uh email here, thanks to our planning board.

D

Is discussing an overhaul of their zoning ordinance, the seeks to incentivize redevelopment.

D

Of existing properties to allow continued uh residential and commercial growth, while.

D

Minimizing impacts to undeveloped areas, the amendments seek to provide increased density.

D

Increased height and reduce parking requirements to steel growth to steer growth in already.

D

Developed areas that have the infrastructure to support the new development redevelopment.

D

Of existing properties can minimize the addition or even reduce the amount of impervious areas.

D

The gate, the needs for a new roadways, sidewalks and other infrastructure to support the development.

D

Since it already exists, uh that was soon as calm and it's not really uh totally geared.

D

Toward this, this whole great bay thing, uh there's there's many reasons to do something.

D

Like that, but I thought that was a worth mentioning here.

D

um You'll get in charge of this one here, let's continue and try to enhance our test uh pet.

D

Waste stations that we have throughout town, so we actually have a gentleman that collects.

D

Those every day and weighs how much we've collected so from january to the end of june.

D

Throughout the year uh he collected 5300 pounds of dog food so that this is quite a bit.

D

uh We also have a catch basis, replacement program. A lot of our cips are geared towards.

D

Fixing sewer lines water lines drain lines in the same street. You've got to do a reconstruction.

D

Project uh we've got quite a few test basins that have less than a point, maybe even zero.

D

Foot sumps in it brick ones that were made back in the day, so we're making progress with.

D

That, but we also have some separate from there to help facilitate the pavement management.

D

Program, uh we have extra catch basins when you're being blended for replacement through.

D

That program yeah, then we get down to a septic system. Maybe an advanced system uh incentive program again.

D

It says the help of uh sally's funding. uh I should have a draft reported that coming.

D

Up in about uh a month or so- and I don't know what it's going to say quite yet, but is there.

D

Any way to incentivize these uh advanced septic systems uh to have less of the nutrients going.

D

Into the waterways- and I also understand that some of the prep group is going uh very similar.

D

Activity also with their analysis and what I looked up and saw uh call out there too.

D

We invited him to the town of exeter to talk to a group of people. It was more that traveling.

D

Roadshow or whatever has helped a great day and you did a fabulous job. So thank you for.

D

D

um Storm water, structural, bmps. Well I got to tell you a little story here, so you had.

D

A an engineering company come in and review where you could put the structural bmps and.

D

You read it so we'd go to try to put the first one in it, doesn't work because uh the ground.

D

Water is too high going to the next second best, one in town, in that big drainage area.

D

That one didn't work either so now we're on the third one and by the time charlie's helping.

D

Us out with this one here again too uh now now that you're, almost final designed you.

D

Go to the latest cost estimate and it's way more than whatever you had before so now. Instead,.

D

Of designing for a happy ending storm now we're down to a quarter inch storm it just.

D

Shows you how all the good intentions uh end up costing the heck of a lot of money and.

D

And even with that bmp to remove 68 pounds of nitrogen uh still costs us 168 000. So it's.

D

It's not inexpensive um and then we're also um using set with sally's comp again evaluating other areas of sound.

D

That could have so many structurally appears assault. That's it. We're gonna have just a.

E

Follow-Up question: um it came up last night. Melissa may remember this uh because we did.

C

Wastewater 101 and we had some of our staff uh present to really do the hard work. I suppose.

C

The often sitting offices and we talked about dog waste and the fact that you know portsmouth.

C

Like all the other communities, I'm sure you try and encourage people. To put you know the.

C

Dog would pick it up and put it in a bag and what our staff was sharing with the community.

C

Last night is that a lot of those bags wind up in catch faces, and so I am curious whether.

C

You sound, like you, have dog waste stations so that when they bag, it is a place for them.

C

To put it, do you find dog waste in your catch basins or or are you seeing or do you think.

C

The dogway stations are keeping those little bags out of your catch bases, we're seeing.

C

Less and less in the coach basement, I can't say we don't see any yeah, uh but some of the.

C

Places that we're putting these stations were like little loop, things and stuff like that.

D

So that there's a basket there too, that they can applause and and we're probably seeing.

D

More on the tide to bush's now than into the catch basement: okay, okay, all right! Thank you.

A

Trying to solve a problem that you know.

A

Kearney, okay, um I think that's a good for our community update um and then just wrapping up the last.

B

Two sections d and e of the uh adaptive management plan. There were not any major uh changes in.

A

This so it had to do with evaluating the science. There was, I think, a change in some of the.

A

Experts uh expert panel, but not any substantial changes in in that method, and you know substantial.

A

Changes in the timeline for completion of a dmdl or tmia alternative, um I do believe.

A

That that's something that we'll be talking about as we go into the funding for the next.

A

um Next round next year or two of where we're going with that so for now, no major updates.

A

To those wraps up our adaptive management plan.

E

It occurred to me after we've been on well past, that section in the front where this.

E

Has to do with the um the theoretical versus the actual cross-allocations, for you know.

E

Perhaps monitoring research work and for the ptac support and the two uh sort of scenarios.

E

Are the theoretical where, if you divided the total cost in 700 1 000 um by all the communities.

E

12 versus the seven that are official man members, but you also mentioned that some of.

E

The communities that are non-man communities are paying like direct payments. In some cases.

E

In-Kind support, as I understand it, and so that kind of gets lost um so like the monitoring.

E

Right now, from nam's perspective was three quarters of a million dollars, but were there.

E

Non-Mam communities that contributed that that actually, if you added that, would have.

E

Actually, just to get on getting at is what the actual cost of the monitor print with.

E

The actual cost of tdap is converses what men is paying for, because there are other.

E

Communities that are paying for indirectly or directly rather, but not through those and.

E

um Right now entirely ma'am prep college. Are you able to share how much funding you've.

A

Received from non-mam communities, you don't have to name names but yeah. uh uh It's.

G

Essentially, if you're talking about cash, it's your it's! It's low 30s! If you're, if you include.

G

There's one community that is providing in kind and right now. I believe we're at around.

G

Fourteen thousand dollars for that in-kind support. So it's really in addition to ma'am.

G

There's only four other communities um that are contributing, which is um really really.

G

Too low and something that I've been trying to do and failing at for years is trying to.

G

Get more communities involved. Well, I. I would argue, though, that other communities are contributing at a far lower rate than.

A

What would be- and I think it's important for those communities for color to see that you.

A

Know I think the community that's doing 14 000 might actually be right, so that would.

A

Be it's about, you know ten thousand less than it would have been, and then I think there's.

A

Some other communities, so this isn't you know this is I just wanted to get this out there.

A

Communities, I think it's completely- I I think it makes sense for everyone to work for man.

A

Because it will work through men because they see a lot of benefit to working together, et cetera. But I understand that there's a a wish to work directly with prep. But you know these.

A

Are the numbers like if you're really participating in it at an equal share? This is kind of the.

E

Numbers you're looking at I mean to that point I mean you've had reached out. um I forget.

E

When last year, after an email to bob and non-partisan get any kind of feedback at all, I heard about.

E

That well, we've got exeter. I mean I think here at the gym today. That's great and.

A

Yeah yeah, sorry, so that's exciting and um and you know, we've got uh lindsey butler from.

A

Newmarket is here so you know I have. We have never added anyone since we first started.

A

But you know, the hope is that I think we've got some momentum.

A

All right, then, uh the upbeats, um the rda progress, update.

A

I think are we done kind of going through a document all right, great then, moving on.

A

To item number four is the uh residual designated authority progress update? I don't have anything.

A

To report, um I don't know melissa if you have anything to report on your petition or if.

B

The epa has anything to want to share perfect. um I I'll just say that um uh we have begun.

K

Working um with jamie uh and others at the stormwater center um and talking with some.

K

Folks, at the environmental finance center through the university of southern maine, about.

K

um Trying to construct a a um sort of a what we're kind of referred to colloquially as.

K

Sort of the gold standard um uh that for storm water management program that would um constitute.

K

A basis for requesting um an exemption to rda, so that is a process that um is in its.

K

Very early stages, but something that um all along you know we have maintained that we're.

K

We want to incentivize municipalities to try to do this work um and to do it locally and.

K

More effectively, if, if possible, um so that's something that that we're pursuing, I think.

K

We can probably provide more information as that, as this project shapes up a little bit.

K

More gretchen's been sitting in on those meet. I actually haven't even been to any of the.

K

Meetings but I know jamie's been having some conversations um about what this would look.

K

Like and how to to develop this idea, so um you know we, we maintain that we don't.

K

Desire to uh thwart uh municipal initiatives around stormwater, utility and and so on so.

K

um We would like to see this project evolve and um get those communities who are have.

K

Been considering utilities back on track with that um uh without concern that there would.

K

Be overlapping regulation between sort of a federal and a local approach to storm automatic.

K

Kind of a comprehensive and sustainable stormwater management program.

K

Oh, I think daniel danielle uh sure we don't have a ton to report, but I will say that um epa.

H

Has been pursuing some funding to figure out the parcel analysis piece of it really kind.

H

Of finely a little bit more precisely and we've made a lot of progress on that and hope.

H

To sort of get that contract up and running soon, so we should start to see some some interesting.

H

Results from that there you go pretty cool.

A

um Any any other questions on the rda- I don't know if daniel was not really too much for.

A

Us to update we sort of started looking at first, but then moving on to item number five.

A

The annual funding schedule- that's our next two meetings, so we'll talk about setting a.

A

Meeting in october um between now and then I'd really like to receive, you can either.

A

Send them to me, or to katie or suzanne um kind of proposals for work that you'd want.

A

To include in bam, I anticipate uh pratt, obviously revisiting a lot of the monitoring and the.

A

Work that we're doing so we'll see another proposal from them and they'll work with.

A

Brian caldwell, to really fine tune that and make some recommendations in the october meeting.

A

And then ptaf, I assume we'll see some stuff again from new folks um that we can take a.

A

Look at I don't know if anyone else has ideas that they want to put out there, um but it's.

A

Just something to think about between now and october, and then october was when we would.

A

Hear all of that and the executive committee would review the proposals and make a recommendation.

A

And then november, usually november early december, we'll have a couple members vote um on the.

A

Recommendation of that, so those are the next two meetings. um Moving on stakeholder comments.

A

Melissa, did you have anything from the stakeholder committee? No, I I don't um yeah as as you may.

K

Be aware this the stakeholder committee has been kind of um uh inactive, um so there's.

K

There's really nothing to report. Okay, all right public comment. Anyone from the public.

B

Anything else you want to add in.

E

I'll give you the short-ish version of that, so we great big 2030 funded. It agreed to fund.

A

It and it was, it, was wonderful. um I I've just never had anything like this, so I was out.

E

Of town, our intern input all of the information with sally, and then it basically, it was like.

A

Checks in the mail I mean we were like wow, so that was awesome. So dover was the entity.

A

That really spearheaded that- and it was because it was this very fast process, um and that.

C

Was on purpose right? That was the intent of this money. Is that it's not bogged down in.

A

Process right so like so that that's it so that it was fast like that, so it came got.

A

The funding um dover went to city council with a resolution in march to receive the.

A

Funding, I think, was to develop a consultant work with a consultant and a team and and.

A

Do this uh we have been working with um woodard and kern had been part of ptep for a very.

A

Long time um they have uh in-house municipal services, they've got announced legal services.

A

For a lot of reasons why that was a natural partnership, so um myself, jamie, hoole and emily.

A

Sewell and some other folks from the water quality steering committee worked with them.

E

To develop a scope of work, while we were working with the state on how we categorize street.

A

Sweeping which was something that we did not see coming when we put in the great bay 2030.

A

um So that kind of stopped momentum a little bit but we're in a good place. Now we've got.

A

Some good direction uh we're working with we're continuing to work with dave. You know.

A

With eventually into other projects coming out of it, but um right now we have a scope.

A

We have a proposal and I believe it's going to city council for overall, like next week.

A

It's right, it's they're any minute, um so that'll kick off again and we've had a meeting with.

A

The new hampshire terrell foundation and have really spent some time explaining kind of.

A

Exactly what happened and all the little pieces that we're building and it's interesting for.

A

Them to hear too, um you know what what happens with projects um so now we're back on track.

A

With that, it did mean that we didn't turn around in green bay. 2013 we'll have proposals.

A

Again, it's october september, um yeah.

A

Group has not recommended finding it because it just didn't even get any progress. This.

A

E

B

Any other business then all right, then I am let's schedule our next meeting for october.

A

To be our experiment in october, okay, so we'll see when that happens,.

A

But I think we'll just schedule it anyway and then, if I'm here I'm here and I'm not.

C

I am out of pocket. The week is the 23rd.

C

Yeah, so I could send someone in my case.

A

Just the toy nerve is looking like. I will definitely not probably be here to do the.

A

10Th so it'll be two of us in the same.

A

um So, do you want to do something.

B

To do like uh into the week of the 16th or the week of the 30th and pushing it into november.

C

And so assume we think we'll find the proposals. You know as you can prep and come on colin.

B

Do you know how close you guys are to proposals for next year.

G

I think that any any dates that you're talking about will end up sort of driving our development.

G

Process there will no matter what there will be things that we don't know, but we'll be.

G

Able to get a lot of information together, uh working with brown and caldwell, so um I.

G

Think, probably don't use that as a way to schedule.

G

Do you want, I guess it is. I am going to use it because if we it sometimes it takes a close.

A

Deadline to push things so if we did something that we could the ninth do you think you'd.

A

Have time to pull that off? Is that october, 9th or november yeah october 9th, or we can.

B

Do something late end of october week of the 30th yeah? I would prefer the second. I guess.

G

I'm being that makes sense, I'm flip-flopping, but yeah, that's okay, because you don't need.

B

A huge amount between.

A

Members vote, so I think if you did the first or second week in november, you probably be.

A

Fine, so um do folks have either the october week of october, 30th or week of november 6th.

A

Preference, thank you. I'm thinking either the 30th just because we have the election week at the senate.

C

Oh very good point yeah so november, 2nd.

C

I would have to be in portsmouth by cohort or what I'm meeting.

C

So we or we could do the meeting in portsmouth and people want to come that do a one for.

A

Three important and then yeah does that work purpose one to three enforcement yeah. If you.

C

Don't mind traveling november 2nd, I should ask jamie. Does that work for you if you're.

C

Still online line- I am here and yeah. I think I don't that's fine for me.

B

So november, 2nd from one to three portsmouth will find the right yeah and the room can.

A

Come out later, but yeah.

C

Somewhere, where the tech is easy and maybe cool all right, then uh final motion all right.

A

All right motion by suzanne by katie, all right, all those in favor um all right. Thank you.

A