City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Organic Land Care Subcommittee, 27 Jul 2022

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Conservation Commission Subcommittee: Sustainable Land Care 7.27.2022

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Okay, participate.

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Interesting because there are all these people that are around my age groups, they're all and.

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They have these no surgeries, you just sit there and wait for.

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Two hours to lift yourself back, I'm close to home, like oh yeah and then.

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Okay, so we need to double check on that um draft framework that made this amount.

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So I apologize for the conclusion on that because um we were running into potential.

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And then problems there are forums on this committee. Then.

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Everybody commenting on it becomes kind of amazing, although.

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That, thanks to the blend going to.

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He be the conservation commission round table that uh jay peters family and we asked our.

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Association constitution, districts.

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So she had an answer to that, but she was going to send the rsa.

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She said that if it's a draft document okay to comment, but that's fine.

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So you could work.

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Sorry, I can't hear you guys that well is there any way, so I could call someone.

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And be on speaker phone, it might be better. Oh yeah, audio, okay, 603 828 7643.

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You want to stay on here too. Well, we probably should leave it open anyway,.

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And we have the recording so we'll do both.

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I'm sorry you can log off if you want to, but we'll just leave the recording.

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The number you have entered.

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Is that better than your eyes? Okay, I think so.

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I didn't like let you know that lynn just came into the room too, because I think.

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He saw everything else, but feels happening.

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You and I talked about the that quorum thing on.

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Trying to figure out a way to review documents and stuff like that kind of keep things going.

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And maybe having a select group of like three people, give you a document or something and.

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Report out right, that should be fine. I mean it's just when you get important and I can ask if.

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There's a way to do document for you, but it seems like people get together from your creative form.

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Yeah- and there is something to a draft document not being subject to the right to know.

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It's just the way that that was created is by a world. That's like sort of thing.

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How was she saying I just need to share a draft document, no problem because of the.

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Rule you just mentioned absolutely shared documents with everybody.

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And then comments who need to be like discussed in the public sector.

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Where you're, having coordination together, you're just getting it, that's fine! It's like we set up.

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Yeah, but what's our medium, what are we looking to do we're looking to build a website.

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Right, so why don't we just work on a website and people look at the website and add things and.

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Thing, I think it's not a five, you know, other people have done this, you can beg, borrow and.

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Steal you know I sent out a few websites to take a look at their education program to say: okay, let's.

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Go for this one, you know find out what we can get from the city, and then there are a lot of people.

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That have those skills to help update it. You know, so I think you need a small looking group.

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I think we tie in the experts we've already identified back in june to know for people.

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And I get both milfa from nikki from milford new hampshire, the director. Do you want to wait.

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On that just a few minutes just so we can go over that document. The original document first so.

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Sure, um just so, we have that one off the list as well, because you're kind of going.

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Into who else we're going to include right, which is yeah? I just want to get it done. You.

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Know I think, we're being only bureaucratic, I don't think we need to post meetings and.

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All this kind of stuff, if they can answer each one, I think we can do a lot of things.

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You know just like I just went through doing the uh pandemic of creating this. This website with.

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Other groups, including the art little group, the one from village and some really high.

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Level groups, clean water action and the whole thing was overseen by the I can I can't school.

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Medicine, we're just the same thing, we're all over the country, we're looking at the updates. You just.

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Update the things put little notes in on some of it. The software is really available.

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I think we can move this thing along yeah, so so originally so with the document that samantha sent.

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Out draft everybody, um I don't know if everybody did have a chance to look at that and kind of. I.

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Had I had some comments changes, so I guess we just have to open that up a little bit, but I thought it.

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Was great and it's really helpful for us yeah? How do you I mean I can I have the document up.

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Now in google doc like I can make changes to it as we're talking here. Is that the best way to do it.

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Yeah and then that becomes a public document sent out as yeah or not everywhere. We have.

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Yeah so so take a specifically document.

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Well, they can, we can post it.

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Okay, once I finish that yeah.

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What this is for, uh just how the concept is going to work is that the goal or yeah.

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um Just because we threw out a lot of different ideas and we're trying to synthesize and kind.

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Of get uh kind of a strategy but make sure everyone was kind of on the same page and then.

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Kind of figure out next steps- and I also thought this document might be helpful.

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To hand out when we're trying to recruit people like ted, was mentioning to the.

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Subcommittee just to give them a better idea of what we're all about great yeah. That makes sense.

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Yeah and and my comments had to do just a little bit with uh you- know, sort of.

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The order of things a bit but um and then a little bit on the background, I think so.

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Peter, did you look at it too? I did look at it um because I don't think anybody.

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In this room was ever well, maybe samantha and jesse were around when.

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We had this kind of from the city council to do this and ted's familiar with it too. He's talked.

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About it a lot, um I think, that's a little bit more, the origin of it. So, for the background I have.

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Looked at the part, however, if you go down to the 2017. yep sorry go ahead, um including eliminating.

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The use of synthetic pesticides and maintaining the property um and others may have comments on.

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That but additionally in 2018, the city had grant money to use training um and then it.

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Said, however, more support is needed to expand the city's progress in organic land management.

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Including working with commercial property owners- and I kind of, was changing that to support to say.

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To support that effort, the portsmouth city council voted for the conservation commission to.

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Create related outreach and education materials, to course, with residents and businesses.

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I don't know if that accurately describes it as far as you guys remember,.

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So we were really sort of given instructions to do something.

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Along that effort, following up out of that.

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And then um the other thing I had was um under the objective I, on top of the objective I added.

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A goal before the objective, um which is sort of a broader, usually broader than the objective and.

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Just to increase organic land care practices among residents and businesses in the city of.

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Portsmouth- and um I think I saw other goals- maybe more- uh you know uh ambitious so to like so when.

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We have organic practices or something like that, but I I guess we you know we can talk about that.

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And then my only other comments were a little bit. The education under the actions was just to.

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Move some of them around a little bit samantha just to be uh reflect how you have it in the.

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Rest of the document um you know sort of starting with identifying the organizations of the people.

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First and then coordinating with the other organizations to help promote second.

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And then hosting the workshops? Third and then yeah. This is my like brain just yeah anyway, not in.

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Any order right so yeah I will reorganize them and then just.

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Oh and then under potential next steps, number three under that was.

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Coordinate with sustainability, committee and city, I just added staff to that. Just.

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So he didn't. But if everybody knows sitting in the city staff.

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In the background, and then the goal- okay.

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But everything else.

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My perspective stem is a is a bigger one and just a broad perspective, and it's actually.

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What I wanted I wanted to tell you about last week, was that, rather than calling it uh organic.

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Land care outreach program would talk about and some of the things that you talked about.

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Yes, about tying things into the climate action plan and things of that nature and sustainability.

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I mean organic is okay, but I think is is just, is uh probably better and ties us into it. Actually,.

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A little more, if you call it uh sustainable uh land care uh outreach program rather than again.

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Because it's all tight enough when you all take into nofa, what's notebook, you know northeast.

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Organic economic association, so I'm thinking in terms of mocking being related to the client.

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Action plan, if you use the word sustainable, might be more correct. I think, in terms of.

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uh Long-Term thinking, I think organic is beginning to change over that sustainable.

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So um that was the one and then I think it ties in closer to the point of action. You know.

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But in terms of uh next steps and outreach and stuff like that.

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You know right after we voted the beginning of june to I got gone. You know first thing.

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I did, is I checked with both. uh You know the experts uh quickly in this particular field.

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uh Both north of new hampshire and both of connecticut and uh jeremy and mickey and said this.

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Is what we laid out and I got diana cavanaugh, my colleague on the phone. She has an amazing national.

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Connection and network she's, the president of a natural organization called non-toxic communities.

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So we put our heads together with the people from nofa and uh and uh to folks of nofa, and we spent.

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About 45 minutes on the phone and really got all excited and started talking through all this stuff.

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Hold on, I know, relax, you know it's going to happen, but they sent back and still expressed.

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Their enthusiasm and interest for working with us so anyway in general, we were envisioning a.

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Virtual and in-person program that have resources for various stakeholders interested in organic.

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Landcare in the city uh we're envisioning the program. We have resources for homeowners who want.

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The landscape organically themselves, homeowners, who want to hire an organic grandcare company and.

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Commercial spaces and clients who may be hiring landcare providers for managing land themselves.

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One of the things we discuss is we need to cultivate more accredited organical.

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Land care professionals in new hampshire and so and that's where we brought in uh norfolk.

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Connecticut because they're the ones that you know the accreditation program, so we fought in germany.

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We talked about it, you know, and we were just thinking through in 45 minutes and said: okay.

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You know, let's start to get a website together. Let's you know what what we can do. We can all.

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Share that there's a ton and if you look at some of the these organizations that are all you know, I.

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Work with all of them and they themselves have fantastic. You know, programs and videos and.

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Different aspects of like yeah, everybody was just borrowing and stealing from the best, and I know.

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We can get permission to use any of these people stuff, putting together a website figuring out what.

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In-Person thing we're going to do: I've already got some potential sponsors. You know, eldridge lumber.

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Is going to get sponsored if we do something- and you know, provide their gentleman who's.

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Also not known for the credit that he's been on the class, you know, I know, there's a lot of.

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People we can reach out to to bring in some high-level folks here to give us. You know.

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Be there live or we do something in the fall, but overall our overall stance is to take our time.

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Do it the right way, not rush anything to market, make sure we have a really good program and then.

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Start something maybe in march or maybe somewhere, you know, but something in march when we start.

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Thinking about it and put on some in-person stuff at the library I talked to war there and.

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We'll start with special stuff at the library she said, we'll help you out no problem and.

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And then do some additional things in the spring I'd like to tie in the city staff.

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The two uh norfolk credit staff or the c staff and uh I'm sure, they're willing to do it. You know and.

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I've talked to corn how well he comes up to the forestry division and, uh let's see, if he'll let.

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These guys participate in some way and I'd love to put them on put on a demonstration. You know.

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You know how they make uh organic tea. You know it's gonna be really cool. I think people would.

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Like to do that so combination of mostly online and then in person, you know and then the big thing.

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Is to promote that putting them organic sign, we can use the nofa logo or some you know something.

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Like that, so we have uniformity, we're thinking, long term, we're thinking. Okay, the first ship.

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This is okay, there's portsmouth. Now, next year it's dopa, they run the same program. They change the.

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Headings they change it to dover. In that regard, you've already heard from people in summerswood.

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They're interested in changing some of the practices and sellers with, so I think we.

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Have an opportunity here to come up with a model that others can use. You know throughout the state.

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And then it makes it happen all right, that's my picture, but I'm ready to go no seriously.

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No that'd be cool because then well, yeah cities that don't have.

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The financial backing reports and size of the courts in the past.

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Out there too, I talked to d brinker wood.

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And they're different categories, so it's like how can we squeeze ours into one of their categories? Yeah.

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And it might be easier, your grandfather to do more, sometimes yeah, but it doesn't sound like.

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What you're talking about your big goals costs a lot? It's like it's more getting the support.

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Getting the organization together, you know running, you know, running the meetings getting people there.

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Working with homeowners that could be expensive in terms of mailings, but if you do it on a.

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Web presence, when you update some newsletter things like that, you don't necessarily have to.

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Yeah and it's possible, you could advertise meetings in a utility bill flyer, but that.

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Even cost money yeah right so I mean, I think if you keep the cost down.

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Some small grants don't help it just get the money quicker.

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The climate action plan, I agree that um it's a sustainability objective that we're going after.

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But I don't necessarily think it fits with the climate action plan as a direct thing that we.

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Should push for in the climate action class, I don't see how organic land care is going to.

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Reduce the greenhouse gas emissions so much I mean I guess it could potentially, but I think it should.

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Certainly, be you know, eco-municipality um supported activity or part of a.

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Sustainability objectives the city has well what I had talked about in that regard was.

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um Those communities platforms that we're looking at for homeowners for things to do.

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And trying to incorporate women that you.

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On know greater scale, I appreciate what you're saying and that it's not directly through.

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Those gas related, but I thought maybe there was a time in that way somewhere.

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Yeah, I think you know we want to try to focus on climate actions and climate solutions.

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In the planet action plan, but the climate action plan.

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Is going to be blocking people through the lens of the fact that we're in this power? So it's not.

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Going to separate it- and I think that could be, but it could be there's a link on that page too.

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Yeah, but I I think I'm not going to have an action, but I don't think it's.

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Necessarily, an action that you.

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Well, and my other thought was that maybe it could somewhere connect.

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Into the resilience piece like when you're talking about, you know how you can get trees and.

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All of that kind of thing like that might be a little more appropriate.

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Yeah yeah, I don't think it's so far away. I just I'm just trying to keep the focus.

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Right, you know narrowing in on climate action in that plan. That doesn't mean that those good ideas.

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Out there not saving water and we have uh data by households. Water is just too much or not so.

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You can measure how effective your program is if people start to change practices and follow.

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Those impacts yeah, that's what I was going to say. If you have healthier ecosystems and.

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And that comes when you don't add herbicides and pesticides, then you have better soils that.

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Are retaining water you're, not getting erosion, stuff you're when water gets high, it has a way.

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Of absorbing you know why the salt marshes are so valuable, so it it does. Actually it's it's sort of.

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On a smaller level, it's not gonna, it wouldn't take care of that climate thing, but nothing. The us is.

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Doing anyways is taking care of it, so it seems as if, at least that's something that a homeowner.

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Could do um and you could also in that process- and I understand you know it's not like the number one.

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But I anyway, if you can get homeowners to less lawn um and take away the square.

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Footage of lawn and get them to plantings that have so if they're specifically answered.

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So you have it under sustainability, but you say in addition, there's some climate benefits with.

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These things, but it's not the goal of the organic lawn care to be climate or climate solution. That's.

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The goal to be sustainable right and then climate solutions are one of the benefits of it for sure.

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But I guess I'm just saying: let's try to get the focus on the climate action plan, yeah.

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To because we don't want to have a billion steps in the climate, we want to.

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It's more about messaging! It's not that we don't want to insist that.

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I think using it as a climate action plan thing to spread out.

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Might dilute some of the other things, so we certainly want to reference it.

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Right and I think that's how I would think of it, it wasn't necessarily a major objective of.

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The climate action plan, but in there somewhere it could be a thing a little park or a little foreign.

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Ongoing sustainability initiatives in the city- you know, there's this.

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This uh organic land care subcommittee here changing sustainable land care.

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And you know this is a sustainability detection, that's happening in the city.

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As part of that, they reduce use of pesticides and herbicides part of our economic goals.

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And then, if you have less lawn, you've got less watering with safe water. That's a climate action.

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You could you couldn't right and that's kind of what I was thinking is that we just didn't.

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Yeah, so I think I would I would say in terms of my background.

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Came up to this dollar sustainability, but then.

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um So that would be so the objective here that last part of the objective is incorporating.

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Organic land care strategies into the city's climate action plan. So instead of saying that.

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Should I say something like I don't know, I'm highlighting some of it like.

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You're saying highlighting some of the benefits of disabled land care in the city of climate action or highland on the city's sustainability.

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Efforts highlanders as part of this is a city's effort for sustainability. As an economist.

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It's it's a sustainability framework that, starting this weekend.

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There's a few a few of the communities that are adopted united states and they follow this.

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Approach that basically reduces the dependence on fossil fuels.

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Decision making considering those core systems conditions and then trying to spread that. That.

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Way so the idea is to make people make a more sustainable way empower people like in the.

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Department to be able to think that way, instead of just ahead of the department saying we're going.

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To do this, if you tell anybody, this is how we're doing it, then they feel like they can bring their.

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Ideas forward, instead of you know, you have to be told it's okay with that sort of empowerment,.

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And it's a and it's a good way to message: sustainable practices.

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And climate actions um together, so in fact.

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You know those four categories and they said jamilah. Why are we reducing? You know.

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So it's a concept from four years ago that it was still.

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Using the same language before the years, that's all well, we can change that language.

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But the concept is just you can't really eliminate. You know.

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But there's also something other than education and homeowners surviving some.

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That's still, okay with that.

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I would say on the cities on the city's website.

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There's a lot of different ways that the website can be handled. You know yeah.

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Is it okay for me to talk to helen.

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Because there's different languages and a lot of the people that we have available to us, you know.

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They do so just to find out what's involved. I don't want to tax the.

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City too much if you've got other resources or how he would suggest doing it. You know.

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He's getting some new people too right.

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And, what's what do you envision the goal of this website to be just informative, or is it.

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Interactive or both or well just exactly what I read out, you know that we want this to be.

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An online program, but also having you know, face-to-face meetings and things like that.

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Right but when you say online program like is that just a website that I can go to and see the nofa.

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Standards and ways to do it like it's nothing that I sign up for I I become a part of I join.

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In some way, so it's just more informative. Here's, here's what you can do yeah! So it's a resource! Yes,.

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Educational resource- and this will be like it's part of the city website or is it a link from the.

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City website is actually a standalone website. I think that's yet to be determined, yeah, okay,.

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It could be either part of our link to from.

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Maybe it might transition or evolve outside.

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um Just to briefly go back to the climate action plan under.

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Actions that I have a whole like free bullet under a climate action plan, so should I get rid.

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And put it in the website.

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I mean, I think, if we just substitute employment for sustainability, objectives or sustainability,.

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That's the thought process. I don't see three in the actions education for homeowners.

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Under the accident, so what are they doing with those bullets yeah? So um I would say it's an.

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Objective of the city's sustainability initiatives rather than the cap, because I think that that's.

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Better, I mean I just can't yeah um big steps in the cap to reduce ultimately eliminate use of.

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Synthetic pesticides, synthetic fertilizers- I mean, I suppose you could argue- that gender creating.

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Synthetic conceptualizers impacts your greenhouse gas emissions, but that doesn't mean that some of.

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The organic methods- don't do the same thing, so I don't think that's really the specific objective.

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Of this group, I just think that's a sustainability. It fits more sustainability in my mind um and then.

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So I would say, take steps in our sustainability efforts or continue to accept whatever you want.

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We already have took these steps right to the origami, so this is take steps to reach further into the community with.

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Privacy, yeah um educational resources again fits on this. The sustainability actions.

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Or sustainability, or something like that, yeah. Okay, I can work on that got it.

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There's also lots of times with water quality too right is that.

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Is there anything there that we could kind of try to compliment or.

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Feed back on or sustainability water, no! No! I think that would be great. I think benefits.

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I mean, I think that is, I guess, that's a question. I don't know.

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That well, but there's still, I mean, there's still potential impacts with organic fertilizers.

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So one of the concerns and potential conflict is that we don't allow.

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You know we only allow low, slow release, nitrogen and phosphorus fertilizers in the buffer.

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What does nova say about bumpers? You know within their standards even stricter than ours in terms.

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Of what they need is the preferred practice. As you know, they're, not a legislative process. Yeah.

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There's about 5 000 members, um there's a large uh a growing number of those that are, but it's.

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Like it's such a, this is like this is maybe the most important aspect of this. From my perspective,.

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Because taxpayers get rich awful, I see it in my own street. You know I go talk to my neighbors.

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And talk like do you know what they really put money on? No, they told me it's organic, it's okay!.

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You know so people are really giving up talk, so I think we can do a good service.

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To taxpayers by educating them, you know here's the questions to ask. We can't no one's going.

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To sign off and guarantee guaranteed, oh this person's going to do it the right way. That's.

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Not going to happen, you know, but we can get them the same affirmative and I promise and get the.

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Taxpayer, the homeowner to say yeah again the football signs we call yeah.

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There's been there's an issue with how that plays out and I'll just bring it up.

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Here, because it's in this program, I think making people or requiring people to agree to it as a.

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Requirement of their approval is a little tenuous. I think, if we're going to do that.

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On every application, why don't we pass the regulation? And that, for me, is a cleaner way to.

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Do it it's like to say to someone when they're trying to get a permit? Oh you want your permit.

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Well, as long as you promise, you're going to use them and and then they might promise and not.

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Even care so it'd be better if they were educated and understood and volunteered to do it because.

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We're not able to check on that completely, and it makes you because the commission much easier yeah.

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Yeah, so I think that's something that we should take up as a as an ordinance change rather than.

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Requiring I think we should recommend it on everybody's application and then maybe we beef.

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Up the outreach, instead of just you know saying here they don't understand it would give them.

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A flyer or something that's easy to digest. Is there an opportunity to keep up the standards.

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The city's city standards yeah- I mean, if we're going to go in there and let's decide what we.

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Want to change, but if this is, if this is one of them, and it seems like people are on board with it,.

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Then we just got to get you know the coordinates checked. So I think that would be a better way.

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To know than you know, making a sort of a negotiation point kind of meet every meeting.

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Oh yeah excellent. Thank you. Thank you so much. This bullet changes to um recommend the city.

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Adopt a uh requirement in the environmental protection standards of the zoning office.

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To require notebook and we have to qualify that somehow I don't know what that is right now, but.

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Maybe we don't, maybe everybody does know, but you know this is only 100 foot buffer.

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So it's not throughout the city that would be a different area, different place in the city's.

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But in this case, if someone's coming in with a wetland fishing newspaper application, we.

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Might have to remind them, we could say, like we do with the pesticides and herbicides. You know they.

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Might not say anything about it, but you know this part of our arguments are required to follow nofa.

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They've got things specifically for homeowners and other things. They really have.

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Extensive information and it's wonderful that they've agreed to like globalism.

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They have permission to use their stuff and same thing as other groups. Look at some of their.

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Websites and some of the educational resources they have and they'll say. Oh, we might want to.

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Follow that one too, but the ones that were up there are pretty good. I wonder if they have.

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Anything I mean we're going to actually pick up this whole idea of like changing ordinances,.

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Whether they have any guidance on like what other towns are doing, like you know, phosphorus.

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Midwest kind of area I mean there's tons of japan, phosphorus from city land lands and actually don't.

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Know, if that's being done around yeah, I think it's a little bit harder to convince everybody to get.

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Rid of, um but with just like seeing what other children feel like is they're even more ambitious.

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It's south portland or portland yeah yeah. They decided not to do an audience right, yeah well,.

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You know your name, you can be in pesticides and private property, all problems, private public.

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Commercial resident right, so many more are, but it requires them to create a local ordinance to do it.

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And that was the big battle was the language. So all of a sudden you had all these industry people.

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Including the pesticide people and everybody else in their life.

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That's a dangerous danger to go too far right yeah. That was going to be my question, as could this be.

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A city-wide ordinance, but I'm guessing you wanted to go, could be in time, but it wouldn't be it just.

B

Wouldn't be in that, but this is not what I mean I you were talking about just the buffer as well.

F

Because the city could I mean, would it be city, council or the zoning board.

F

But I mean people higher than we are, I mean in different things. They could decide too right.

F

Obviously, it wouldn't be up, so that was the issue there is that um it's sort of a plain and the way.

B

New hampshire's rule yeah, that's a question. You can't always just do what you want to do. You have.

B

To have enabled legislation, so there is enabling legislation to let communities be more strict with.

B

Their wetting regulations and they get their approval through a commission process because.

B

Of that, I'd have to figure out whether there's several things we have to figure out is something.

B

That works for nova city-wide that we were right so new hampshire went ahead and said the organic.

B

So maybe under that yeah, but that was for the city government right so yeah you can tell us.

F

Yes, so it's a bigger law; okay, that's what okay.

D

There's um preps of saskatchewan region, environmental planning and they did an.

D

Assessment back in 2020 that that looked at what the 52 municipalities of the status region.

D

Watershed have done with their regulatory and non-regulatory approaches that we could always.

D

Look and see what everyone else is doing if we want to um what was those see how they press crap.

D

A region estuary partnership.

D

And there's 20 assessments. I worked on it on that assessment, the previous one I guess before 2020.

D

Now they they've done work with it, but it's um pretty comprehensive to see what everyone else.

D

Is doing in terms of their buffers and that sort of thing, so, in addition to that, in addition to.

B

That that means it's, how do we what's the part the city has to get people to know.

B

That they have to do it yeah. You know right advertising, I don't I don't get it out there.

B

Well, just like this outreach yeah this program.

B

Right, I mean this program. We have to figure out how to advertise now. That's all we've got.

D

So I was just going to say um instead of just chain uh changing that to continue to ask.

D

Or to suggest we could just say continue to suggest the.

D

Cpp applicants um and inform or something like that, then educate them and then request requests.

D

Sure and then then another bullet, saying or within that bullet saying the next step would be.

D

The article, but that means we can't put it as a stipulation on our pup. No, that would happen.

B

You know if the applicant agrees. Technically you can't it's just you know it's better. I mean better.

B

If we can work out that's the thing is like they probably feel obligated, but they have to say after.

D

They're not going to get the permit, that's good yeah! I think that's the idea, yeah. Okay, I can work 0:47:09.440,1193:02:47.295. You, companies.

B

um If we see them spraying, we could we can essentially bust them if we had nervous right now,.

B

We could, if they agreed to it in their approval, but it's not as common.

D

All right so we're good with the document, and then we just have to so. I don't know about discussing.

D

The timeline goals yet because we don't know exactly, I think, we're just going to get a.

C

Small looking group and get going, you know- and I don't know how much these other people can provide.

C

But think you know what's off the shelf or not, but I know that they would know and.

D

Yeah but originally we wanted our next meeting to have a whole bunch more people.

D

So are we holding off on that? Do we think I think it's getting too bureaucratic already.

C

I think when we're not getting stuff done, it's already almost obvious. This.

C

Is the church we just talked about ordinance change, that's like as exciting as it gets.

D

So how does that answer? The question, though, are you saying we don't talk about? Who else.

D

Yeah, I think we just get it below three people and just call it a.

C

Working group or something else rather than something so there's too many of us.

C

And then we pull it back once a month to the to the rest of the commission. This is.

C

What we get and then once you stack and do a website make it available to anybody so.

C

They can see it and comment on all that kind of stuff yeah. You can have a big.

D

You can have as big a group as you only have three of your customer numbers. Yeah.

D

Helping me decipher ordinances and a prep assessment. Thank you for volunteering and.

D

Come back yeah I can take the lead, but I feel like it sounds like you got some expertise there.

D

Yeah, I uh I would love to.

D

Yeah, just thinking that we might do like some little sub teams here like it seems like this ordinance thing, is kind of like very different. I think actually yeah.

E

Outreach piece, so maybe some groups, um yeah yeah. I would definitely sign up for the ordnance team.

G

My feeling is you, take the ball and run as far as you want with them.

G

He's just running behind you and sam will be you guys.

D

I think kid pit I mean ted's got the outreach part. I mean. Let him run with that. That's.

G

Yeah um and get it go ahead and if ted needed some of us to help, you know he could you know.

F

Whatever pull in whatever you want, keep it below quorum level or just advertise.

C

Then you get into you, know summertime and all that kind of.

G

So, what's your next step, yeah in terms of outreach, do you have like one little.

D

Next thing, and then maybe I would get banana copper warnings together. I guess.

C

People from uh northern new hampshire connecticut, on top of those guys and said, we've kind of got.

C

Permission to go forward I'd, call it alan gray and find out about their website piece.

C

So that you have a vehicle that people can see what you're doing and you're putting things in.

C

I encourage you to take a look at some of these websites because yeah, you know you have people.

C

With various backgrounds- and um you know some scientists- some- you know uh regular folks, I.

C

Think that you know uh worked as a discussion together. We actually, I I I'll keep my own point.

C

A little bit, but the partnership for helping uh plane surgery originally including two years ago.

C

To be part of a grant for the nih, no one's ever studied synthetic in 50 years. So no.

C

One's ever hooked up with kids or out eyeballs to try to measure what these people are really.

C

There are these very smart people, you know, so you uh figure out why they do that. So they put a.

C

Grip together with a part of it, they didn't get the money you know, so they reach out this year.

C

And they don't tell you to october, but they kind of give you a pre-appraisal very good right. It.

C

Looks like you'll be part of this five-year study, and my job globally would be working with joking.

C

You know it's a really fascinating uh group of people interesting, but look at some of.

C

The stuff they do and some of their websites for today and there's awkwardness conferences.

F

Yeah, so I was going to say: is your next step pretty much finding out.

F

um Who will give permission for you to steal, well kind of it's kind of? And I I don't that would win.

C

I think that would be more filling in the blacks, I'm really looking for the.

C

Professional with nobody to provide a lot of guidance and uh really dying on top of them,.

C

She's, unbelievable she's, a woman. That's been doing this trying to get pesticides out of our.

C

Environment for 2013 and uh she's so knowledgeable for all these people from all over the country.

C

She have to be disabled at home all the time and that's her main job and that's what she does so.

F

It's probably a bunch of people without a lot of proprietary interest, and they just want the.

F

Information out so they might be very willing to pull butcher html to get uploaded onto the.

F

City website, or wherever whatever, but so, okay well, that could be your. Your first task is just.

D

Creating that resource page, you could live on the city website and just you know, yeah, so so.

D

It lives on the city website or the city website links to it. I still need to clarify that. Okay.

D

I mean yeah and there may be barriers of things that you can put on the website, because I know.

D

From the state there's tremendous services and who does the maintenance of it too,.

D

You have to go through the city, so that could be a barrier. You know you may want to change.

D

Something and add something, and then you've got to go to escape city. That might not be good.

B

Now, there's an advantage to this: if it's a city initiative you.

F

You know you can link to anybody.

F

But at least that could give us a sort of a basic skeleton of it before it. I don't know.

C

Unless you put fire through it, yeah right.

F

But if you're going to their site, they do keep the front. I mean they're, keeping ownership of it if you're just transferring them over. So.

D

And would you do this sort of keeping in warm ted with what.

D

We had talked about as far as our audiences are the residents.

D

D

So I think you know just throwing a whole bunch of information on the website from other.

D

Organizations is great, but it it gets confusing and if you don't have sort of a framework.

D

Where you're going to go with it and narrow it down, people aren't going to use it yeah. I was.

F

Thinking of the of the web links more for our you sort of initially like before whatever but.

E

Yeah, because you need to make something, it needs to be user friendly, you're just doing a bunch.

C

F

The companies who hire somebody so you get both, but I mean.

F

There's a lot of corporate graphs around here.

F

I mean actual grass, so um it'd be nice. If you know.

F

A lot of that got shifted over because that's probably the bulk of that okay. So what's the.

D

Next step, we've got an ordinance team and then sam so far and yep um the outreach team. You got.

C

But even if I'm not here, you know you can.

D

So and you're working with all these other people too, I would have fought.

C

Back, I don't want to know what's going on goal of creating kind of a.

D

Web presence a resource page online for this effort, because I think that's like a great.

D

First, step right we're going to do any kind of event. We want to be able to point people for like.

D

If you want to learn more go right here are some more specifics: yeah yeah, I think that's great, so.

D

And I'll purchase I've done websites, so I can I'd be happy to participate one other first, one.

D

You know, that's like here are the absolutes here are the city requirements and here's what.

D

You know the conservation commission recommends and we'll be able to spell.

D

It out- and this is what you're we're going to leverage you with.

D

D

I don't know exactly, I was thinking just like you know the buffering rules like the slow release.

D

Fertilizer yeah, so we could make it. You know when we bring it up. It's also about like education, just.

D

So you know not, everybody knows we're right. We're sending a metric connection swings. We.

D

Have this resource page or this, you know this is one page fact sheet or whatever it is yeah.

F

Because there's usually requires there's, usually one guy in the team. That knows it.

F

At the meetings and the other guys are like, are we doing, though, you know and whatever so this way.

F

You could yeah just give it to them. I mean right off the bat yeah. Maybe you could beat something.

D

To help stuff, on the same one page, it's more than one page, I feel like it's not going to be looked.

D

At right, but we could, there could be a section of like and we recommend you take it even further.

D

And yeah kind of spell out those three other things that we keep asking applicants to do so.

D

Yeah they're, not like surprised by it, it's just like here, it is right. Here's what to expect.

D

It could be city and state.

B

B

D

Okay, I thought I needed to start saying the regulations.

D

um So timeline so you're going to be away for a while. So are you going to be ready so.

D

Feelers to some of those other groups do people want any more volunteers.

D

I sort of just generally spoke about it, not really knowing what our plan was or what our vision was.

C

And whether or not someone here should be attending their meetings now, no, but initially.

D

There had been discussion of this group being broader and not just conservation, commission.

D

Members, um it sounds like we've kind of shifted that a bit and it's just going to be smaller.

D

Little subgroups of this group doing specific tasks. Are people looking? Do you still want you to.

D

Spread the word further: do you want to just pause on that and kind of take some steps first and then.

C

And keep them, though, on your radar or maybe somewhere, because.

D

When we start doing things get their buying, and that brings it on to a friendly audience.

F

Outreach kind of thing you never know what connections and.

D

Just to kind of keep this good, I think feeding keeps it going. I think right now sure so another month.

D

B

Weight is picked the same yeah.

B

So number, first, okay, ted uh august 31st number one august, 31st yep! That's just right! Now! That's.

B

The wednesday night, okay, maybe august 31st, uh it's prop- maybe I don't know yeah yeah.

B

We're just gonna schedule it and then we'll have a foreign.

D

Maybe one more meeting.

F

Unless we, unless you know people are going to supply content, but then then.

F

I mean I can see why so.

F

What were you thinking they might be useful? Other people would never record it if.