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4.27.2022 Sagamore Avenue Sewer Extension Project Public Information

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Yeah, so please excuse me for not standing. I need to speak to the microphone for this.

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I'm zachary cronin the assistant city, engineer of portsmouth, I'd like to thank you all for.

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Coming to the sagamore ave sewer extension reconstruction meeting, I'm here with terry.

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Damaris the city engineer, as well as kevin garvey and roy babylon, from wright pierce.

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And mark rainey and roger rivet from severino trucking.

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So this presentation will go over general information on the project.

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To get people back up to speed, I will then pass the presentation off to kevin garvey. We.

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Will go over the pre-construction meeting and we will pause for a question and answer session.

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For the pre-construction part of this presentation afterwards, we'll then move into the private side.

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Work and then pause for questions and answers on that section. I'm sure a lot of people do.

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Have questions on the private side work, but we are going to hold questions for pre-construction. Then.

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Go over information on the private side and answer questions for the private side work. I believe.

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That'll keep this moving pretty smoothly and work. Well, so we'll begin with some general information.

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Our project team, with the city of portsmouth, it's terry and myself, as previously previously.

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Stated as well as a number of other people at the city um that will have their hands on the project.

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For wright pierce there's mike terrio a senior project manager at wright, pierce he's unable to.

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Join us tonight, kevin garvey and then roy babylon. He is the project representative on site, so the.

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Resident engineer, you will see him on site during construction and if you have questions during the.

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Construction process, we'll direct them to him. He is our eyes and ears on the ground and will be.

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Fairly available to all of you for severino trucking, again roger rivet and mark rainey,.

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This is a project overview, the project as a whole. We have sagamore creek north of sagamore.

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Creek we have sagamore ave walker, bungalow, road, cliff road and shaw, road and south of the creek.

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We have sagamore grove, sagamorav and wentworth house road, so the project as a whole consists.

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Of installation of sewer main in the street in this uh in those listed streets and then in ad.

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Alternates we have private side work, which is connection of each property to the sewer.

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The way we structured the bid we received, uh we went out to bed and received bids december 21st of.

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2021, the way that bid was structured is we cut it in multiple different.

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Base bid and then bid alternates the base bid consisted of the sewer main in the street north of.

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Sagamore creek so sagamore ave north of the creek cliff road walker, bungalow, road and shaw road.

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Then we have ad alternates, which are pieces of the bid that we go and get unit pricing from.

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Contractors for and then, as funding, allows, we are able to then award that work. The way our funding.

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Is structured? We have awarded the base bid, which is the sewer main in the street north of the creek.

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And then, through our capital improvement plan process, we are going to be able to award the.

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Sewer main south of the creek and the private side work, but that is as funding is available.

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And approved and approved by the city council on the left side of the screen, we have the green box.

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That is the section that we have under contract: the sewer main in the street sagamore ave cliff.

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Road walker, bungalow road and shaw: that's phase one of this project as it's under contract already.

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Phase two: we plan to have the sewer main in the street installed south of sagamore creek.

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So sag more south of the creek segment, grove and wentworth house road. Now the private side work.

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Should the funding be approved through the capital improvement process.

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Would likely overlap with some of this uh sewer main work just as necessary, but.

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It is likely that that would get pushed to another construction season as well due to.

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Time, but that is at the discretion of the contractor, means and methods of the contractor.

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So we have a current construction schedule, we have digsafe and the pre-blast survey.

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I'm sure most of you have received information on the pre-blast survey.

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We highly recommend that you take maine drilling and blasting up on the pre-blast survey and.

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Starting next week they will begin starting next week. They will begin the pre-blast surveys. Yes, yes,.

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We are going to have main drilling and blasting contact information.

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Later on, but we recommend reaching out to them and having a pre-blast survey done on your property.

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The contractor scheduled to mobilize in early may set up traffic control measures.

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um Early may begin work, which is the radon testing, as well as any blasting mid-may and.

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uh We have a substantial completion date of the summer main in the street december 30th of 2022.

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North of sagamore creek, paving one year after that to allow for a freeze, thaw cycle and settling.

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Of the trenches which would occur in spring of 2023, with the private side work and the funding.

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We more than likely will have work happening next construction season as well.

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But this is our current schedule with our work under contract at the moment.

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I will move over to kevin garvey for the pre-construction meeting.

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Hi everyone, as zach, said to our main stages for the speaker here. One thing to remind you of we.

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Have a signing list up front here if you wouldn't mind signing- and we also have a contact list.

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With some of the key contacts of this project, it includes the phone number and contact information.

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For uh main drilling and blasting, if you still need to schedule a pre-construction survey,.

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So the key contacts on that list that would include roy babylon who'll, be the city's eyes and.

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Ears on on site, in the main point of contact, if you guys run into any issues during construction.

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We're running through some of the typical issues on the next slide here: roger rivet will be the.

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Main eyes and ears on site for severino and then zac cronin will be the main contact for the city.

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So contractually the the work hours in this project are from 7 a.m, to 6 p.m.

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In general, the contractor will be off-site outside those hours. They might show up a little bit early.

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To have a pre-construction meeting or work day meeting the same with at the end of the day, they.

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Might need to do some final cleanup, but those are generally hours. They should be on and off site.

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In general, the way we expect this product to go is that they will be performing the blasting up.

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Front installing the mainline main, potentially installing the sewer services afterwards and then.

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Coming back from site restoration, so there may be opportunities or times where the contractor will.

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Kind of be in front of your house move past your house and have to kind of bounce back a little bit.

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To finish the next phase of their construction, so don't be surprised if you are interrupted.

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More than one occasion generally, they will try to move down the road in a linear fashion, though.

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uh Traffic control measures this project in general on segment; we're expecting that.

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They will have a one-way, alternating traffic, so what that generally means for you guys is.

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Coming up the road you'll see a sign that says something like road work ahead. Then we'll say.

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One lane road ahead and then, when you get near the construction site, there'll be a temporary.

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Stop light that'll put in and it'll either be red or green if it's red. Obviously, please stop.

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And if it's green, that means go but they'll be starting down. Traffic on.

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One side of the road at a time and working to actively move traffic through the site.

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On the side, roads that are basically outside of sagamorav they'll be shutting down small section.

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Of those roads, because it's generally good avenues to get out one way or the other if your properties.

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Affected in that shutdown area, the rpr and several work with you guys directly about getting you in.

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And out of your property as needed, there may be short periods of time where you'll need to park.

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Your car a couple hundred feet down the road to make sure you have access throughout the day to it.

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It'll be flaggers on site and um there's already message boards out there kind of recommending.

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Today's meeting, for example, one of the other challenges with construction is, it can be dusty.

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They are going to be digging they're going to be blasting, so we do have measures in the specs.

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And the plans um to work on that, so it's include some street sweeping and potential water trucks.

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If it becomes an issue, some of the other potential impacts would include water service interruptions.

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At the northernmost section of the project, in order to make room for the new sewer main, we.

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Have to move one existing water mains out of the way which will include redirecting about. I think.

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It's five or six services so be potentially short shut off for those properties and then in the root.

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Of construction there's always potential that a water main could break or something could go awry.

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In that situation, which may lead to a temporary service disruption, uh we discussed right before.

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The meeting here potential school bus routes, it sounds like there's only one resident to.

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Be impacted with that, so we'll probably try to reach out to that resident directly. um Otherwise,.

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The school bus route is on sega, morav and we'll have to work that into the construction phase.

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There may be some temporary impacts to your solid waste and trash removal, also again with partial.

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Road closures that can always be a challenge, as I mentioned previously, there may be some.

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Restricted driveway access and there will likely be there- will be road closures on the side, roads.

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So we'll kind of go through a brief overview of the blasting process. uh People had quite.

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A few questions we're sending ahead of time for that process, so we want to make sure we.

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Had a nice slide on it so generally the reason they're doing blasting is.

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Ledge is very shallow in the road in this project. That's why we're going with a low pressure sewer in general, instead of a regular gravity, sewer.

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In general, if they cannot use a mechanical process such as hoe ramming, that's what they'll go through.

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And blast for everyone's benefit, including the contractors they try to keep that to a.

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Minimum so they're going to do some additional inspections in the very early phase of this.

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Project during construction that will include some additional boring. Some of you guys probably saw.

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A year or two ago, and that's going to test how strong the rock is, whether they.

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Need to actually blast or there's another alternative way to it, as zach mentioned.

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Earlier, we certainly recommend you guys take part take in the pre-construction surveys.

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And that would include that there's. uh Their name again is on the list. The contact list up front.

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And hopefully you all receive the mailing lot already, I believe to date, they're about 120.

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Pre-Blast survey requests sent out and about 50 people responded back.

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um Those are scheduled- I think tentatively, for next week and the week after, for those 50.

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A pre-blast survey will generally entail of a member of main drilling and blasting the.

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Subcontractor to severino they'll need to access both the inside and the outside of your property.

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So be going down your basement, taking photos potentially videos just trying to classify what.

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The existing condition is and the same, if there's any outside structures, they should be looking at.

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They will they'll, let you know, as they get your site, what things they need to look at if there's.

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Any buried utilities or buried structures that they might not be aware of, such as a underground.

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Propane tank, irrigation systems, etc, you could let them know. That would be great, very helpful.

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Again, on the slide, we have main main draft. The drilling and blasting. Excuse me contact information again, it'll be christopher.

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Scott on that um mailing they sent out. You can also sign up to be notified before each blast.

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In general, before blast is performed so there's a pre-blast notification.

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Which would be that phone call if you're on the list.

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Otherwise, they generally do three horns: five minutes before the blast.

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Two horns: two minutes before the blast and one horn immediately after the blast uh pla, the.

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Blasting time frame, contractions allow allowed between 8 am and 4 pm in general, the contractor.

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Needs a couple hours to prep for that blast before they can actually do it. So it'll typically be.

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Between 11am and 2pm, usually there's two a day, one usually right around 11 one around two, but.

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It's not going to work like clockwork it'll, be as the contract is available and able to do it.

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So what happens if there's any damage your property during construction, whether it's from.

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Blasting or otherwise in general, you're going to want to reach out to roy babylon over here.

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Our on-site representative, the initial step you'll, do, is he'll document your complaint.

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He'll deliver a copy of that complaint to you guys, also and we'll have a copy.

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We will routinely look through these with both the contractor right, pierce and the city.

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And then generally, if it's something that cannot be resolved near immediately, then.

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We'll kind of go up the chain to severino and they'll move for the next step in the process.

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If it's something with blasting, for example, it's one of those subcontractors so there'll be some.

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Some communication involved with that also.

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And then for just general communication throughout the project.

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For the next slide, please working on it: okay,.

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No worries, I think you need to click on the presentation itself.

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There we go there, we go, so you guys are probably generally aware. There's already.

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A project website for this, so we have the link in this powerpoint. This powerpoint is posted the.

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Project website routinely, um if you can't get to this link immediately, you type in segmerab sewer.

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Extension project in portsmouth, new hampshire and that will come up in google or bing or any other.

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Standard search browser there's a sign up list on the project website, so you can get routine emails.

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In a two-week schedule, look ahead in general that two-week look ahead. Schedule is the week one.

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Is expect to be pretty accurate week? Two is less accurate, just kind of giving people a.

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General idea of who might be impacted what areas might be impacted two weeks ahead.

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uh Again, the the main contacts are either roy babylon or if it's for specific communication and.

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Project information on the website, then it'll be zac cronin and, uh as we mentioned earlier, there's.

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A sign-in sheet up front here looks like we filled up the first one uh and terry's right another one.

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Right now, so, if you have a chance to sign in yet please sign in up front, we much appreciated.

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And at that point we will jump into some of the frequently asked questions.

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And so some of the residents were already nice enough to send some.

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Of the questions in ahead of time and we'll run through those questions, first.

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And then we'll leave it open to either the the crowd here or the folks online.

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Let me read these: do you want to read them off terry.

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Yeah, okay, so notification process to the residents. We have been putting routine updates on the.

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Project website for this we have used the email list to reach out to residents. There is a way to.

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Sign up for the email list on the project website and we highly recommend everybody. Do it keeps you.

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Involved in the project, as well as up to date throughout we've used the weekly newsletter as.

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Well have had uh like the sign board that has been on sagamore ave to notify of this project, but the.

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Best way to get notifications on this project are the um the regular emails uh from the you know.

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Email list that is held uh on mailchimp and we uh update it with anybody who wants to be on that.

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Can be on that plan for blasting notification? I believe we've answered that uh previously yeah.

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But again it's called uh christopher scott at main, drawing and blasting they'll be the actual person.

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On site performing blasting they're professionals at this, this is what they do for a living.

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If you want to be notified before the blasts tell them, they have a list going and they will notify.

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You ahead of time, otherwise, again it's the horns, that's what you want to pay attention for on site.

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So blasting will it be held off sorry kevin, so the it applies to the entire area right.

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Did you guys do the glasses? You do the whole project correct, correct, yes, north and south. We.

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Don't we don't know exactly where the excavation versus blasting just south we're just north.

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But for the north side here they did a pre-blast survey to cover the entire area, just in case.

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So it doesn't mean that you'll necessarily have blasting right in front of your property.

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But you know we have to follow through with the process. Just in case you do.

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So blasting will be held off until pre-blast. Surveys are completed.

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Severino and main drilling and blasting are in the process of reaching out to all the residents and.

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Creating the list of the properties that want to have the pre-blast surveys.

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um Could you guys describe that process.

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uh The survey itself yes uh well kind of like what kevin said: yeah they'll go into your property.

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Take pictures of anything that is concerning to you or existing conditions uh inside and outside.

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So that, if there is a claim that comes up, they can kind of compare.

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You know before and after photos and things like that.

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And and they do plan to hold off on blasting until everyone that has requested a pre-blast survey has.

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Had them completed again, they need they need your permission to access your properties, so they're.

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Not going to necessarily wait because someone says you can't come on their property, but they.

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Send out certified mail to everybody already so, if you've not received the mailing yet also something.

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You should be reaching out to main passing and drilling about drilling and blasting. Excuse me.

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So the radon testing and mitigation process we have- that is part of severino's contract.

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To test for radon and the properties that wish to have radon tested in the project area.

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They, I know you guys have explained the process to wright pierce. It is.

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Going in and putting a meter to detect for a day and then coming back and collecting it to.

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Determine the amount of radon that exists currently and then after the project they.

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Would then repeat that process to see if anything had had increased the amount of radon.

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And again, as far as mitigation, this, the blasting company- that's what they do for a living, so they.

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They tried to size their blast accordingly to the situation at heart. They're not going out.

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There at the sludge hammer for every situation, so that's the main mitigation process. Is you.

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Know they hire technical experts to try and do this work so, like we had said before, if.

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Construction causes damage to my property, who do I call your immediate personal call? Is roy.

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Babylon he's going to be on site and be able to take a look at whatever damage may happen.

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Some other questions you received are other plans to widen sagamore ab to accommodate bicyclists.

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Not at this time, this is a sewer project. At the moment, this project is to install sewer all right.

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There are plans to rebuild sidewalks on sagamore ave, one of the adults we included replacement of.

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The sidewalk on the southbound lane on sagamore ave north should funding allow we can incorporate.

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That into the project, and then why does the project alignment extend all the way uh to.

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The marina in vg's boathouse, that is the extent of our original consent decree with the epa and.

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New hampshire des it was uh the the original scope that was agreed to in 2016 as part of the project.

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Why wouldn't it extend to us? Because we paid taxes and we have a house and a.

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It was just a question we received so we're just trying to respond to the questions. That's all yep.

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Sorry, I'm not sure what, uh if we just if we'll finish this up, then we're going to go right into.

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Other questions related to that and it sounds like there might be some confusion based on how you.

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Just asked that so, let's, let's try to clear it up. Thank you. A number of properties, north and south.

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Of the creek used in design, we were using number of connections, so there are 64 connections on the.

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North side of the creek and 27 on the south, they were used in the design of the project. The flow.

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For future projects are properties included in analysis and any known future developments. Any.

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Future developments that would happen need to go through zoning requirements. The technical advisory.

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Committee process, as well as the planning board as part of that process, a licensed professional.

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Engineer needs to state the proposed usage of water in sewer and evaluate the sewer system.

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And water mains to determine if they're, uh they're, capable of servicing the project.

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If they are insufficient, the developer is responsible to improve the utilities.

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In in the ground, so we do not have any known future developments. There have been two that.

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Have come up through this during this process, we did begin speaking about the project in 2019.

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So we have had a fairly lengthy process, but they were unknown and I've gone.

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Through the technical advisory committee planning board and any zoning requirements.

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Minimum and maximum number of hookups that are able to be taken by the sewer, as well as.

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Any flushing, so the number of connections is not the determining factor on the sewer.

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It is the proposed use of each building, so it is very difficult to state how many connections can.

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Be put on any new developments that would be put on again need to go through the technical.

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Advisory committee planning board and the zoning process- I know there are some concerns that a.

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Few number of connections will happen at the beginning of the project. There's a low pressure.

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Sewer that was installed around the roundabout in rye on sagamore ave, that has very few connections.

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And there have been no complaints uh from that on any of the sewers function.

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The where does the sewer north and south of the creek flow, so the sewer north of the creek. This.

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Project would discharge into a sewer manhole around the tidewatch tidewatch condos flow up.

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Sagamore ave until it reaches miller, travels down miller over richards ave parrot ave underneath.

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The parrot av lot over to marcy street and the uh mechanic street pump station the sewer flow south.

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Of the creek travels south to um it's odeon point road down to gazport road to the gazport uh pump.

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Station or the tidewatch pump station sorry it's on tigers, cove, tucker's, cove, yeah, okay,.

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A lot of names, uh the uh tucker's cove pump station located on gosport road.

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It travels over to elwin road through the urban forestry center that sewer main there up lafayette.

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Road to the lafayette road pump station, where it is then pumped farther up lafayette road.

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Down willard ave over to lincoln and richards ave, where it meets up with the.

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Flow I'd previously stated, but all sewage in portsmouth does eventually reach the.

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Mechanic street pump station, where it's pumped to the wastewater treatment plant on pierce island.

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Does the city plan to rectify polluters along lafayette, road in banfield or the city dump.

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We have a number of projects that we've worked on upstream of sagamore creek. We have the stormwater.

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The sorry stormwater treatment system behind the dpw there's a stormwater treatment system, the.

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D.O.T put in up on lafayette road near tor gulf. We have excuse me. I have a little bit of backup.

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We've improved the culverts underneath banfield road to improve any storm water there, as well as.

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The jones ave landfill there are monitoring wells.

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uh On that property, uh previously we had done every six months sampling on those due to.

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Inactivity that has been changed to once a year per our des requirements. We are monitoring that.

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Yearly and it is not having any significant effect on the creek, so this project is one of the many.

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Items that we're working on to protect sagamore creek, just for some additional background. We.

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Had a firm go out and do some testing uh in the in the actual creek itself in number of.

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Different locations, uh it was one of the consent, decree requirements that we agreed to uh for.

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For the consent decree that we have all that data was used in the state's last update of.

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Water quality conditions for the for the creek. There are some additional impairments in there.

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For dissolved oxygen and nitrogen. So as a result of that, because we have um a.

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What's called the ms4 permit now, which is a stormwater permit? It's a municipal, separate.

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Storm sewer system ms4 permit they uh there's requirements in there that we follow up on on.

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Discharges in these types of areas where you have what's called an impaired water body, so we are.

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Following through a process of, it's called illicit discharge detection, we go out there and we have.

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To measure both during no rain, as well as during rain, to see what the different conditions are of.

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Water quality of the outlets discharging into the creek and then, if there's something in there, that.

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Meets a certain trigger, we have to follow that upstream and try and find its source.

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So there's a there's a lot of stuff that the city is doing as it relates to.

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um Overall, you know stormwater controls and pollution from that from that level.

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At this point, uh we will take uh pre-construction questions. We ask.

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That you come up to the microphone and state your name as well as address address so yeah. If.

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You're not comfortable coming up to microphone. We can repeat your question. We just have to.

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There's it's getting recorded so we'd like to just make sure everyone can hear it. um So so this one's.

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Related to the construction side of it, the sewer in the roadway, we will be going into a separate.

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Part of the presentation to talk about all the private side work so from the edge of the road.

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Up to the up to the houses after this, and then we'll have a separate q, a related to that as well.

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M.L geffert 272 walker, bungalow road, just a quick question about the blasting survey. The letter said.

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That we had to get in touch with maine, drilling and blasting by the 22nd of april. It's the 27th.

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How long do people have to get in touch to get those.

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Pre-Blast surveys conducted on their private property just that I can tell my neighbors yeah.

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um Well, when they sent those out, I think they give people like 10 days to respond.

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uh We need them as soon as possible because we can't really start any work until those surveys.

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Are done uh just to keep you protected and us protected, as well so by friday, by thursday, yeah.

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Friday, yeah, it's fine. Thank you. I mean, I think the you should continue calling even after their.

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Permits issued, they have to show that they've done due diligence to get as many surveys as they can.

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So once there is a reasonable due diligence done, we can issue the permit. It doesn't mean that you.

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Have to stop your request to have the survey done. I mean you can still call so I would say.

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That the message to your neighbors is continue to call if they're interested in getting a survey.

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And thank you for passing along the message. We appreciate it all right, mark rogers, 24.

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Road, I have a follow-up question when maine blasts in drilling they're going to be on the property taking pictures the homeowners getting copies of those pitches, you can get, you can request copies, yep. Okay, thank you.

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Will be charged excuse me, will you be charged for those copies.

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So the question is whether or not uh the homeowner will be charged for copies of the.

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Pre-Blast survey, if, if requested yeah, I don't believe so no.

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Alden, sweet 72, waka bungalow question I got about the pre-blast is: if we decide not to hook up.

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My septic tank is about 20 feet from the road if they're blasting in the road.

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What what assurances do I have that that blasting is not going to damage that tank.

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And the only time I'm going to be able to figure that out is when alden filbert comes to pump. It.

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The next time and there's nothing in it, how's the city going to address that.

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So you said it's about 20 feet. um What would you guys do, for you know from a from a blasting design.

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Standpoint and vibration, yeah we'll have vibration monitoring setup as well. They'll they'll have.

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Monitors you know stationed throughout where the blast area is and record. You know what those what.

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Those monitors are, as far as your tank goes. I guess they can only. They can only inspect what.

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They can see um you know so they'll pop the cover, look and see you know as best they can.

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As long as you let them know that it is there, um and I can. I can follow up with that with them.

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If they've had, in other instances, instance like that, you know if they've done anything different.

H

And I think what mark said is the important part. So if anybody has a particular unique.

D

Circumstance at their property, uh it's worthwhile as you go and you work with the pre-blast company.

D

That you point that out, because that's the kind of stuff that they as mark said, you can't see it. They.

D

Don't know so, if you can point those things out, we can we can try and get in front of that and have.

D

That addressed also in the front of the ad there's irrigation, which is even closer to the road in the.

L

Tank does blasting normally interfere with that. Typically, not. I don't think I've ever had an issue.

H

Come up with irrigation, but um but if it does, then you know we'll take care of that as well. Thank you.

M

Some of these uh things that you're talking about will actually help us move forward with.

M

Whether we would blast that anyways, if we're running into this in three consecutive yards,.

M

We might have to slow down, not blast and take more time to pre-drill it basically perforate the rock.

M

You know if it's going to get more expensive to start replacing septic tanks and.

M

Irrigation systems, we it's going to help us direct our crews on which way to go. So that's why the.

M

Pre-Blast survey is so important, it kind of gives us a direction and which way to go and how much.

M

Damage would be done if we something was to happen. You know yeah and just just to let everybody know.

H

Too, there is ledge on site, and but that doesn't that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going.

H

To blast every inch of it if it's low enough or it's close to the grade- that we need to be.

H

uh We might just toe ram it instead, um you know the only thing that will blast is anything. That's.

H

You know substantially high to the ground or high to the to the roadway uh which it doesn't make. It.

H

Feasible to ho ram so there may be areas that um they're going to pre-drill and that helps us.

H

Instead of hammering a solid piece of rock, if they pre-drill and kind of perforate a little bit, the.

H

Whole ramming goes a lot faster and and is less vibration, so there may be a whole section of road.

H

Or a certain section of road where they'll you'll see them drilling but they'll just drill down the.

H

Road and they won't blast, will come behind and oh ram and take the ledge out that way. So it.

H

Isn't necessarily blasting every inch of the road and that's our preferred method. Typically, we we.

M

Try and avoid blasting, because the water mains there's not a lot of gas services out there, but.

M

Typically, if there's a gas service, we end up not trying to blast and the same with water, we're not.

M

We're not going out there to replace all new water mains, so that's usually the closest.

M

Thing to the sewer you know it's usually within 10 feet of they run parallel to each other. So.

M

We really try to avoid blasting at all costs, but I can't say we're not going to at all so.

H

I'm sorry good yeah, roger greeley, 71 cliff road. I have two questions um one. I am looking forward.

N

To uh working with um ray here is right right. Roy sorry, roy um is, are you gonna.

N

uh Have a trailer yes, yep there'll be a construction. Where will that be located.

N

uh It's on richie's property, I believe in sagamore, 910 second or yeah 912 sagamore ave, it's down. I.

H

Guess they call it um sagamore dirt road adjacent to the the um so behind the scuba shop, yeah.

N

Yeah, yes, okay, it'll, be kind of tucked out of the way, so you'll have to look for it, but yeah.

N

You know if you want to meet there for a specific reason. Just give me a call yeah well, I know we're.

N

Not work to go, find you yeah, you should see me on site, okay, and we will. We have uh just sorry not to.

D

Mean to cut you off on your second question, but we we have uh right there on the edge of that table.

D

Our contact list for uh all the important people so we'll just we'll pass us out a moment. Okay,.

N

My second question is: there is a uh pond wetland halfway down walker bungal, as you probably know,.

N

Tell me tell me about that a little bit I mean. Obviously it's a wetland, sensitive area. It happens.

N

To be in my backyard, basically or right across my backyard, um so are you gonna and are you gonna be.

N

Below the water level there so the the. As far as the wetland I mean we have erosion, control.

D

And requirements like that from the standpoint of because we're going to be excavate or well.

D

Contractor will um they're going to be excavating down below they will be below the level if there's.

D

uh Groundwater that comes out and is in the trench, just like any construction. We excavate against a.

D

Lot of uh a lot of different water waterways, they have to handle the water. That's in the trench.

D

And that has to be controlled as well, so you can't it's not like we'll be just discharging it into.

N

Into my backyard yeah, exactly um so, will you how far how below grade will you be we're.

N

We're down four four to five feet: five feet to the bottom of the trench; typically,.

H

Okay from the existing roadway, so we're we're so you're going to be in that you're going.

N

To be below water level at the high water level, maybe you may get lucky and be having.

N

And dry, possibly in rock too yeah, which helps help control water yeah. So where would you pump that.

D

It'll have to be uh pumped to a controlled basin, so it runs off in a normal fashion of any runoff.

D

After turbidity is taken down, so these guys will have to submit to the consultants who.

D

Are overseeing the job uh erosion sedimentation controls they called in order to comply with the.

D

Permit, which is issued by the the state and the city uh to make sure that that type of concern.

D

Is controlled so it goes into the natural watershed uh it will have to. It'll have to be.

D

Relatively insight, they're, not gonna, punt they're, not gonna, pump it into a tank and take it off site.

M

Not opposed to it in certain situations, we will do that we'll put it in our water truck.

M

And disperse of it, but it depends on the vault. You might use silt bags to just contain the.

N

Sediment so there won't be any sediment running out of it, and just the clean water will be.

N

Running through the waterway, so so I'll just go back to the pond. So there's probably you feel.

N

uh What what is it going to be the impact on on that pond? I know where you're speaking of I don't.

M

Think other than the one culvert that crosses the road, if that created an underground flow around.

M

The pipe, I don't think it's going to be you're going to have impervious dirt on both sides.

M

That's what's creating the wetland, our trench, we're trying to keep to five feet wide, so it.

M

I mean yeah if if the road was, if it was a sand pit, then we'd get infiltration, but because because.

H

Of the type of material, that's there, it acts as a barrier, okay, and if it gets to the point that it.

D

Is causing a problem they have to stop and we have to regroup. On the approach I mean that's.

C

The typical situation, if, if it got to that point, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

C

Go ahead, we have online uh someone on zoom, that's going to ask a question: go ahead, jay.

O

I thank you. I'm jay kutcher, I'm representing sequo's mental health center.

O

1145 to 1149 sagamore avenue and I had a couple of questions- I didn't get a letter for the.

O

Blasting for this project, so I'm assuming you think it's not going to impact us, but.

O

I did get one for the project across the street, are the blasting for the condo project and the.

O

Sewer project don't overlay each other at all or are they being segregated, so people won't.

O

Have double the lasting impact, so uh one of those is a private project that has a separate.

D

A separate permit, jay and the one that we have the reason you didn't get you would.

D

Have not gotten a pre-blast survey request is because you're outside of the influence zone.

D

um So, even if they were occurring at the same time, we wouldn't expect that you'd have any.

D

Any overlapping in influence from the blast, and then I apologize to yourself at the beginning of.

O

The presentation, but what is the expected date of completion for those of us who are on the south.

O

Side of the bridge, so um so right now, uh if you missed the beginning part, there is uh the only.

D

Thing that's under contract. Officially is the north side of the of the creek right. I saw that.

O

But you have an estimated plan, I mean I've been in this. I've been at seacoast now for 30 years and we.

O

Used to have an agreement that when tucker's code was constructed, we would get a sewer connection.

O

But once the land was made into conservation land that became null and void. So we are anxious sure.

D

um So the as far as the the process, here we have money proposed in the fiscal year, 23, cip,.

D

Which is begins july 1 of this year for the south side of the project and that's subject to approval.

D

With the city council so once assuming that the budget gets passed and nothing gets impacted.

D

On the cip side, we'll be in front of the city council in either july or august, to talk about.

D

Funding the south side work and then that would go into next construction season likely because.

D

Right now they have to finish the work on the north side by december of this year. So unless.

D

They end up completing that much earlier and the whole progression of awarding that portion and the.

D

Timing works out that they can start earlier. It's likely that it would start next year next april.

A

I

um You just said it's going to be a hybrid wide trench is that the world is probably about six.

I

Feet wide a five foot wide trench, you know so we're not going to be able to get by this thing.

I

It's going to come down the center of the road five feet wide uh guacamole it'll be um off to the.

H

Up to the east side and it'll be filled in each each night as well. It's not going to be left open.

H

um What we, what we plan to do is you know, monday, through thursday, uh install pipe backfill as we go.

H

And then on fridays, set back and put temporary pavement down um so that you.

H

Know it'll be drivable, you know for the weekend and we'll be out of your hair for the weekend, but.

H

um It will be off to one side depending on what other utilities we we encounter in the road.

H

uh There is a water main out there, um but as as it looks now, it'll just be to the east side.

M

No away and we kind of have to keep at least like 12 feet of width on the road. Whether we gravel.

M

Off the edge of the pavement for emergency vehicles and stuff, so most cars can get through.

M

There I mean sometimes it might take us 10 minutes to piece something together, but we have to. We have.

M

To maintain at least a lane of traffic, not only for our own trucks but for emergency vehicles, so.

B

And the road will be open and usable at the end of every construction day.

B

It's just during construction during the work day, that is when excavation happens, but at the end of.

B

Every day it does get back filled and there is passability after uh the construction work day.

I

So the whole of walker, bungalow road, the trench, is going to be east of the center of the road.

M

Yes, so the water, the new water main they put in, would be the west side. I think a couple years.

M

Ago, five years ago, they installed the water main. It's the opposite side of the road so out towards.

M

um Yeah, they could say east side more towards the bay and towards the ocean yeah and use that.

E

Under that that's required by the state, we have a special offset from the existing water main, so.

E

They have to be in that area of the road yeah. They have to maintain 10 feet of separation, so.

I

So how far into the um the side of the road, where is it actually going to go? Well, there's.

M

An existing water main abandoned water main in that same location. So that's as we excavate it.

M

Might change a foot or two, but you should have that whole west side lane other than when we cut.

M

Across for a service so, and the trench is going to be five feet wide typical excavator is 12.

M

So that the excavator is actually going to take up more room than the trench itself, so whose water.

I

Mains, are you moving there's only water services and they're, all the ones on the or not all of them,.

M

There's a few houses on the west side of sagamore itself, because there's actually two water mains.

M

That run down the west side and the east side of sagamore. So we have to take we're abandoning.

M

The east side- and we have to extend those copper water services all the way over to the west side.

M

So that that'll allow room for the sewer and the 10-foot, you know rule of separation, so yeah and.

M

Those people will typically be noticed, 72 hours in advance, 72 working hours working days and the dpw.

M

Will be with us and make sure um they actually do their own all their own testing and stuff. So.

M

And that we won't do it in a manner in which it's gonna, it shouldn't.

M

Minimal effect, we can schedule it around those people affected by water. You know.

E

It's less than 10 property owners too. I don't have the exact number, but it's.

I

Yes, yeah, I think they're, mostly between cliff and tidewatch, even before tidewatch yeah.

M

Cliff and tidewatch, I think, is where five six, maybe ten but yup. So could you please again.

I

Describe the flow out of the area, the way this is going, I mean I loved hearing, you know the waste is.

I

Going to go on this wonderful trip all the way through portsmouth, but how is it getting out of.

I

Walk of angles, it goes from walker bungalow at little harbor down walker, bungalow towards shaw.

D

A long shot of sagamore up sagamore towards towards miller, starts at your house wherever.

I

It's the first house on that one. Yes, my side.

B

Up the hill away from the creek away from the creek yep and then yeah. Thank you yep. Yes,.

P

27 shaw road, I gotta say I'm really excited about the project. So that's a good thing.

P

Question you mentioned a culvert, so the is there did you say there was a culvert near the pond.

P

Or I believe there is yeah there's a culvert that actually carries water from the cliff area. I don't.

D

Know exactly where it begins towards towards the pond yeah. It's. I don't think it's a large culvert.

M

It's just like a baffle: it controls the level of the water. I don't you would probably know.

M

Better than anybody, if it actually moves right, the hedgehog, condo yeah, there's there's overflow, that.

N

Comes off of the hill into my neighbors and then goes under cliff road into my side yard and then.

N

Down towards the pond yeah, I I've looked at it a few times driving around and seems more into.

Q

Roger's backyard, I'm sheridan lloyd, 45, cliff road, we're right next to roger. It goes into roger's.

Q

Backyard but you have to understand the west side of walker, bungalow flows in the opposite direction,.

Q

Of the east side, where the pond is the west side flows down to sagamore creek the east side.

Q

Ends up flowing towards the cemetery and goes out that direction. The two sides of.

Q

The street are not connected well. That was what you just said: there's a culvert between the two.

P

Sides it's a very small, converted, blue and that culvert does not go to. The pond is not connected.

Q

No, where clive's house is, there is a culvert from the west side, where this other culvert is.

Q

It goes through roger's yard, through our yeah yeah. I was more concerned about this culvert.

P

Though so so just real quick, we don't intend to be making any changes to the drainage pathways.

D

That culvert will stay in the exact elevation that it is we're likely to be going under it.

D

I assume and the roadway will get restored to the same existing grade as it is today. So we are not.

D

Changing drainage pathways as part of the project- yes, there's temporary construction stuff, but.

D

It gets restored back to its original condition and the culvert's not being modified. I think.

D

There's two confusions: there's two different culverts: there's one: that's going under clinton.

P

Yeah, I'm really asking a question about that, one in particular the one that goes, one that goes.

Q

Under shaw, road right by his house, thank you. Thank you. What's this the question online? Yes,.

C

Where is that written out the same one? It's in the chat looks like.

F

Did you have another question? Oh no, I think I just didn't lower my hand. Sorry.

O

Thank you. We received one of the chat. um I'm denise brown 692 sagamore across from lester king.

F

Can you show us a map tonight of the road on what side of the road you're going to be working on.

F

For the whole project, where, where it zigzags around, do you have a map that you've already.

M

Bought from worcester kane for the whole area, not just my house, I want to know where.

F

What side of the road you're going to be working on throughout the whole project? What you're going.

F

To affect do you have a map already? We have a set of plans that are online. Show it to us tonight.

D

Are you going to be staying for the private property portion, discussion, private property.

F

Anything about that, but you must have something in the computer that you could show all of us tonight.

F

Where you're going to be working on the street for the whole plan, so anybody else interested in that.

D

I think everyone would be going to the purchasing website pull down the.

B

Yeah ones from there that's highlighted prints, which are a little easier to see, but.

M

They're not here, oh, we need to know all this stuff, so whatever you can do to help us. Thank you.

D

Anybody have additional questions while we're getting that information together.

D

Reconstruction related. Yes, sir. Yes, 14 shaw. What is the actual size of this.

K

Sewer main going into the street, so the question is: what is the size of the main kevin you want to.

D

Just summarize quickly what the general sizes are of the mains yep to the this side, so in general,.

E

It's going to be uh for the low pressure sewer system, a two three or four inch and depending on.

E

Where you are along the collector system, so you're further back, it's a smaller pipe! So when there's.

E

Fewer homes, the two inch as you get to more homes, it's three inch as you get to the very front, most.

E

It gets the four inch there's a very small section on sega morav about four or five hundred feet.

E

Where it's down the seat hill and then we put in a gravity sewer there hoping to stay above the rock.

E

And let gravity take care of that last stretch, but for the most part it's a low pressure sewer.

E

System which will be generally two inch on the the edges of it and then three for the most part and.

E

I think there may be one small stretch of four. I can't believe there's a knob, but generally.

M

Farther out towards the dead end smaller pipe two inch at the end of walker, bungalow.

M

As you pick up, volume of houses like changes to three inch and I'm not quite sure if there was.

M

Four inch, I think it was, I think it might be three on this project right three inch, all the.

M

Way up to the high point on sagamore and then it switches to a typical eight-inch gravity solution.

E

And I think someone's questioning about the five-foot wide trench. So it's basically probably.

E

Serious trench box standard trench box with it's a health and safety issue for their crews. That.

E

They get down in the hole, so you need, they need enough room for their bodies to get in there.

E

Lay it down properly compact stone and have a nice trench that creates a final product. That's quality.

E

For the long term, so they're not going back out there a couple more years to deal with issues.

E

During from poor construction, so it's both the safety issue, which is the foremost issue and then.

E

Also just make sure they perform quality work.

E

I think it starts on c5 for this project.

E

B

Sagamore grove yeah this this north side starts at six yeah. Yes,.

E

So this is the quick start. This is available on the city's website. If you guys ever want.

E

To find the skin after the fact here, it's on their purchasing website, this.

E

Is the same exact documents that the contractors saw and then would debit it.

E

Where is it on a website? I went to just the project the city's website and in the search bar.

B

I typed purchasing the first option. There is bids and proposals, I went there and then scrolled down.

B

Until I found this project, which was bid in 2021 bids, received december 21st 2021, so it's one of.

B

The last projects that are in the 2021 section, we will add, uh we'll we'll take the set of plans and.

D

We'll put it right on the sagamore webpage, so you guys can see the final. What we'll call them.

D

Either construction phase or do we have conformed arguments yet we'll call them the.

D

Execute is what they are: yeah bid documents. So final design bid documents.

D

So those are the ones that the contractors under contract, for can you blow it up for us tonight? A.

F

Little bit and start from the beginning and take five ten minutes to go through that with us. Yep.

F

And explain why you've decided where it is for what purpose and what trouble you anticipate.

F

So here we have sagamore ave north of sagamore creek. We have over on the left.

B

The um final discharge we have sewer running up the east side. Can someone go.

B

Up and point that way, you're talking about, we don't know what you're talking about.

M

Sorry, if you'd like the mic, I can get up there, it's easier for you to explain it. Yeah yeah.

D

You got it, you need that little stick. We need a lighter laser player. Yes,.

B

So here we have the sewer main in the street. This is that's as big as we can make it. I'm sorry.

D

It will be available on the website for clarity if you want to look at it again, um but that's as.

D

Big as we can make it to keep it on on the screen, so we have the sewer main in the eastern side of.

B

The road so the northbound lane, that's because the water main is on the west side. We need to maintain.

B

uh Distance between the two, so it travels just down uh sagamore ave- I guess up and.

B

That really explains uh the placement of the sewer main on this entire stretch. Just opposite.

B

Of the water main just quickly when we talked about the direction of flow, this is the discharge.

D

Point so this is the top of the hill, so the water is flowing from the right on this. This to the left.

D

As you look at it, so this is the lowest point of gravity: here's tidewatch highest lowest lowest.

M

This dashed line is your fourth sewer main.

F

Center road, where your finger is right now this is sewer, that's center of the road, so they're.

M

Running it approximately six feet, so it's going to be dead center of this travel lane.

M

Give or take a few feet, like my stonewall, that's there is that gonna be blown up completely.

M

No we're still trying to avoid blasting, so we're preparing for the worst hoping for the best.

M

And again, every blast survey is so important when you do the pre-blast survey, all those.

D

Things should be pointed out so that they can pay attention to it if needed. uh You know they take.

D

Special precautions for confirming vibrations and when they say they're going to fix it, who's fixing.

F

It that's me we're your insurance company. Is that what you're saying we we cover most of it, we are.

M

Fully insured but and we don't between me and roy deductible or anything, we are 100 yeah as long as.

M

You get on the pre-blast survey and it's yeah. No, I mean if there's a crack in your driveway.

M

There before we we're going to try and stay we're not going to go on your private property without.

M

Consent and anything that's ruined is covered as long as it's you know, we have a track record of.

M

You know crack driveways and stuff, it's the front of my wall was hurt by a drunk driver. I don't.

F

Know 15 years ago, and it cost 24 000 to replace that wall and that's something you would cover.

F

Well, I think uh the point of the pre-blast survey is to to verify your existing conditions, so these.

D

Guys are going to be doing work there. They don't right. Now they don't know if they're excavating or.

D

They're blasting, so if the condition of the wall is such that they're concerned about it, they'll.

D

Take special precautions to to do extra vibration, monitoring uh we've blasted near or we've had.

D

Contractors blast near a lot of different walls. We've had to take special precautions if it's.

D

If it appears that it's going to be a problem, so if, if there happens to be damage after the.

D

Blast right, I've seen them I've seen people use tape, all things all kinds of things to actually.

D

Document existing cracks and walls versus new. They need to measure all that and that's part of that.

D

Pre-Blast process, if there's damage that's when we have to go through the process of documenting.

D

The damage confirming that it is well and and when what I say, we it's them and their their group that.

D

Does the pre-bass and the insurance companies, but confirming that it was actually an issue.

D

That occurred during the course of their work, and if, if that you know, as um as he was saying,.

D

If it is something that's confirmed to be done during the course of work, they cover it through.

D

An insurance process so and that gets fixed or sometimes I think you guys fix it directly, correct.

D

Yeah yeah, I know there are cracks in it already but over time, but if there are more cracks in it.

F

How much do you are you prepared to fix.

F

Okay, I mean, I guess the bottom line is: if, if we damage it, we fix it and just like a car, you.

H

Know car crash: that's why we have insurance. That's why main drilling and blasting has insurance if it.

H

If it's caused due to blasting, then main drilling and blasting's insurance company will come out.

H

They'll review your your wall or whatever it is they'll look at the pre-blast survey and.

H

Then they'll, you know, they'll come up with a decision on that. If it's something that we do.

H

uh Through the course of construction, the same thing happens with our insurance company. If.

H

It's something that can be fixed on site. You know we'll take care of it ourselves if it's if it gets.

H

To be a certain amount of money, then obviously the insurance company needs to come in and take.

H

Care of it at that point, so you would kind of baby your way around down the street for a while yeah. I.

H

Mean there have been instances where um you know people have had um you know decorative walls or.

H

You know certain things that are that are thanks to everybody that are difficult to work around.

H

The blasting, if we end up blasting, they can reduce their blast. They can.

H

Shorten up their blast pattern and do smaller blasts, um you know to help with the vibration.

H

There there are certain things that we can do to avoid. You know certain situations like that.

D

Do you think we should, as we carry on here, the the sewer stays on the same side of the roadway on the.

D

Cliff side of the roadway around the center line of the main or center line of the lane, all the way.

D

Down to shaw so- and this is cliff here on cliff- it stays towards the creek side of that roadway.

D

Down cliff and then the beginning of shaw and the reason I'm tying this right now and.

D

All these different ones is the way these things all patched together. It gets kind of confusing. So on the shaw side, we stay on the opposite side of the creek. Up on that roadway.

B

Do you think in the interest of the presentation, we should probably do this at the end.

D

You can how many people are interested in this portion of the presentation.

G

I'd like to see the original presentation about the private yeah, I think we'll kind.

R

Of move on yeah, but the private side is next and there is a fair amount of information on there.

D

That I would like to get to is it possible if we reconvene on this after great? I appreciate that.

D

I appreciate it and I'm always available my number's on that contact list. If I'm a paper.

M

I can't look at that. I have no problem meeting you out there with roy and we can the highlighted.

M

Plans I gotta color code, everything I can't I can 50 block, there's 50 black lines on there. I can't.

M

I have a hard time distinguishing so I put the green one where the sewer goes and the blue.

M

So hold the escape because we hid that bar earlier.

B

We'll help you with that. That's the other powerpoint, the new chair.

B

You may need to click anywhere in the presentation.

C

All right, okay! Moving on to uh we'll catch that section um after moving on.

D

This next section on the private property work stephanie. If you could go to the next slide,.

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So you might remember that we had a cost sharing proposal that was submitted to the city council.

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At the conclusion of our discussions, that's shown here again in terms of what it what it was.

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So I'll just walk you quickly through what the different parts and pieces are of the schematic.

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That's in front of you, so, starting from the left hand, side we're just we're showing the house.

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um In order to actually start from the roadway, because we were just talking about the roadway.

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Construction, so, as we talked about the stuff that is currently under contract, it is the portion of.

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This that sits on the right hand side. So it's the the public sewer main and the sewer, lateral.

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Public sewer main sewer, lateral and the curb stop. So that's the limits of the work that, along the.

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Entire project area on the north that severino is currently.

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Contracted to do so, we we did as part of the bids we went through and you might recall that.

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Everyone we asked anybody who is interested in a design and the cost to come to us.

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So we could get that included in the in the in the project bids, so we could have real pricing.

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um So we did that we had uh on the order of 1685. 65 properties, out of both both both areas.

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That said, hey we want to design, so we get a cost so that stuff has been included in what.

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We have from severino, so what that includes is all the stuff to the right of the proper.

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To the right of this sorry to the left, looking at different sides here to the left of this line here,.

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In terms of construction, now there was a cost sharing proposal for that.

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So there's you need to connect again a small pipe to the curb stop in the street or at the edge of.

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The roadway rather and that goes over everybody's yard is very different. You know it weaves its way.

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It could be longer could be shorter, it might go across its own walls, it might go through.

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Irrigation there's all kinds of stuff that those are the variable variables that we have for costs.

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uh And then it goes to the pump. So this is the uh the the low pressure pump station, which is shown.

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Over to the right on the right of the schematic in terms of what it actually is, um and then we have.

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To connect that pump to the house, which that is a gravity connection from the house to the pump.

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um That's that's usually a six inch or four inch diameter pipe depending on.

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The property and then in order to accommodate this because it is a pump, has electrical.

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uh There may or may not be needs for a couple of other items, including electrical additional.

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Electrical work, so we were able to capture that for the properties. I asked us for design.

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And the other thing is the cost for um any kind of plumbing reroutes. If we had to reroute plumbing.

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From where the existing septic pipe went to to this new location uh for the pump station.

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So for the for those that asked, we tried to capture all those in the in the design um and.

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We will, in the next couple weeks, be dis or well as soon as we can distributing that information.

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To each property owner that asked for it, so the cost proposal was included. The city.

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Paying for everything in the roadway, which is the work that's currently under contract,.

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The cost for the pump, the connection from the pump to the house as well as.

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Any ancillary work that need to be to done to execute that connection, so plumbing reroutes.

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uh Electrical upgrades or improvements and then the abandoning of the existing septic.

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The costs the city would pay up front for the cost of the service, but we're proposing.

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That that would be repaid to the city, um and we had a couple different options to do that. That.

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That portion could be repaid either through a 10-year no interest loan or if someone.

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Elected to they could pay up front for that for that for those costs. So that's where we were.

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um At the conclusion now, let's go to the next slide: stephanie, just a quick clarifying.

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The cost, when you say that you mean the pump connection, part or the private sewer, lateral.

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uh The so the repayment portion yeah would be the cost for this, which is the installation of.

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A it's a one, it kevin. What do we forget one and a quarter? Yeah generally, there could be some larger.

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Properties, so oh yeah, so from for the normal connection, it's a one in one and a quarter inch.

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Diameter, high density, polyethylene pipe, it's like one of those ones. You see rolled up in a big roll.

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And that and then there's the restoration costs associated with that section and.

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That's that's where we have variables, so it's distance really that the pipe itself is not.

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Actually that expensive, it comes down to the labor, to put it in uh whether there's a lot of.

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Ledge, whether there's stone walls, irrigation repair, all those other ancillary items.

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So and we have unit items for each one of those and that's what we're gonna.

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That's we're gonna, consolidate and send out to people next slide. Please.

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That you do to our house, so each each property um is different in terms of its needs. So when I just.

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Had a couple years ago, everything on the plumbing and my cellar redone, so you would come in and hook.

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Up and redo my pipes and everything as part of the city's cost did you request a design, yeah? Okay,.

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um We need to look at your property, so uh in terms of uh the next slide here, the finished.

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Installation uh people were very concerned about what what the impact this is. So we had pictures of.

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Some existing ones that were completed so the one on the left. You see, there's a where that big blue.

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Arrow is that's actually one of the covers to the unit, so that stays exposed because you have.

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To have access to it and then just behind that there's like a tiny little box, which you can't.

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See very well, but there's another one shown over here to the right. That tiny box is the electrical.

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Panel, it's also the alarm panel that goes with this unit and to the left of that is, is an.

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Electrical service for that particular property, so you can kind of get a sense of what it looks like.

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In terms of size, I'm sorry quick question. You said, there's a part: that's going to be exposed and left.

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Exposed in our yards yeah, so in here that is what's exposed it's uh what diameter is it kevin.

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22 about two feet across 24 inch diameter cover so on the side of my yard. There's going to be a.

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Cover sticking out of the yard flush. Typically, it's flush mounted they're green, maybe not the.

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Same exact color as the grass but and I can't put grass on it- no, no! You cannot okay. Next, please.

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um So, just from the standpoint of uh looking at you know, we had to come up with an idea on how to.

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Implement this project, obviously we're at the point now where we have the contractor in place.

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We have not gotten confirmation from everyone on who actually wants to connect, so really what.

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We have now is pricing for 65 out of the 88 or 91 connections that we have in the whole area.

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We also understand that some people might be interested in this now, maybe they don't maybe.

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They want to consider a future connection, so we want to try and work all those out.

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In terms of the properties that are interested in possibly connection connecting, we had to identify.

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Kind of a priority, because right now in the capital improvement plan, there's only so much.

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Money right now that we have available, and we we understand that you know we want to connect as.

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Many people as possible, but we had to establish some level of priority because the funds might.

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Might be limited time wise over time? I think we can. We can capture everything we need to so the.

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Way that sorry, if I could finish the presentation, I will absolutely answer your question.

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So the way that um we are doing this currently is first on. That list is uh properties with holding.

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Tanks- um and I know we had people that asked there- was some folks. Thank you very much for.

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Sending questions in advance, so um I know people are concerned about that. The reason that we.

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Have the holding tanks is that there was a number of properties who went to the.

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Department of environmental services and said: hey, we don't want to put in a brand new septic system.

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Because we know there's a sewer project coming, um they were granted, uh they were granted tanks.

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Holding tanks so basically a septic tank with no leech field that they have to pump out regularly.

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On the condition that the sewer project was eventually going to be there and they'd connect.

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So with ds's approval, they were able to do that temporarily. We have two on the north side, one on.

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The south side, so it's not a lot of properties. um Next is the. What I believe should be obvious, which.

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Are our failed septic systems? After that? There is uh there's a des provision that basically.

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Yeah basically stipulates that if it's older than 1985 you should, you should be connected.

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To a sewer or replace it, so it's it's. uh I wish it was just sure it should be yeah.

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We so those would be uh on the on the next level of priority and then lastly, owner requested.

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The people indicated to you that they have failed septic systems. uh We we have a few uh mostly on.

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The south side, but you know, if there's there's a, I can't say off the top my head, how many we have.

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And I don't think anybody's come to us and said we have failed septic system.

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That doesn't mean that they don't. It doesn't mean that we don't know.

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But you know we again: this is just a matter of identifying priority for those to connect.

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So from the standpoint of funding, we've talked on and off that we have this. These funds available.

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Through the capital improvement plan, so there is uh there's a cip element sheet and I apologize.

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It's not written on here, but we can attach that to uh the website as well. Didn't end as the last.

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Slide um after everybody will grab that after, but that cip element sheet, what we did is we.

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It was to fund just the private side work and, as you you know, as we look at this, we have to.

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Pay for everything up front because that's where we're contracted with the contractor and then.

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It's a repayment for the for the private property owner's portion, um so what we did is over the next.

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Six years, actually it spanned seven years total. So in fiscal year 22 we got 300 000 dollars, which has.

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Already been approved by the city council, so we have three hundred thousand dollars to go towards.

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These connection costs in fiscal year 23, which is july 1 22. We have proposed 450.

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000 and then between fiscal year 24 and fiscal year 28, it ranges between.

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It's mostly 450, but it's 350 and fiscal year, 28. that the total cost there is nothing more.

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Than the cost for all the private side work that we have under that we have in the bids.

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So what what we really want to do uh over the next couple months before july of this year is.

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To try and get a better sense of how many people actually want to connect. So the more that we know.

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That want to connect the better we can plan for the cip funding. um You know if we have to adjust.

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Fiscal year 24, we can always ask the council and bring them up to speed on where we're at.

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I don't know if they'll approve that or not, but it's an opportunity that still.

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Exists, but we don't. We can't do that unless we know exactly how many people are going to connect.

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And how much we have to fund in order to capture those costs? So um that's going to be something.

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That we do in the near future, and one of the the first things that we're going to do is we're going.

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To take what was provided to us already, there's 65 homes that have asked for design we're going.

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To take those designs, we're going to break down the costs associated with the design as a total.

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We'll break down the cost, that's the city portion we'll break down the cost. That is the that would.

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Be the private property owner's responsibility either up front or through that loan and then.

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We'll send that to each of the property owners um to help you know, and then you, you know at that.

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Point you can call zach, you can call me call kevin, uh we can work through uh any of your questions as.

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It relates to the individual costs because it you know, I know everyone doesn't do this every day. So.

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um We can kind of walk through what that looks like so um so that's that's an important thing.

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That we'll be doing over the next couple months, so please keep an eye out for that information.

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And so so that is really for the folks that have uh already have a design. That brings us to.

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The next ones, which would be those who wish to connect in the future, we will talk about that in.

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Just one more slide, so as we looked at the overall costs, we wanted to provide you with a summary so.

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Stephanie, if you could jump to the next slide, um one back. Thank you.

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So the price that was received in december of 2021, which was um this, is just for the private property.

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Work again, so we just just to remind everyone. We got a cost to build the north side sewer in the.

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Road, the south sides who are in the road, the north side, private side work for the houses that ask for.

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And then the south side private side work for the houses that ask for it. If you add.

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Up the north and the south side, private side work it's 2.734 million. We have to carry contingencies.

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um Just because sometimes the costs come in a little bit higher, so we generally do that.

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At five percent after bid that's a total cost of 2.87 million and change. We had 65 properties.

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And that leaves an average cost just doing the math of 44 200 and that breaks down generally.

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And I say generally that the city's portion of that would be about twenty eight thousand dollars.

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So that's again the pump connection to the house electrical uh if needed, plumbing if needed,.

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uh Septic conversion, yeah abandonment as well yep and then the property owner on average is 16-2.

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So the reason that we need to send you guys a breakdown is because again that private property.

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Portion is different for every property, so the length of the service impacts, the cost.

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The every everything that is impacted in that length of the service, whether it's lawn.

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Irrigation uh the amount of legend needs to be removed, the stone walls that we have to go through.

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The garden beds we have to restore driveways if we have to go through them all those items are.

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Individually, itemized, so we'll give you the best estimate we can based on the information that we.

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Have in that design to tell you what what the full breakdown of this would be so that and then we can.

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Have a conversation with whoever wants to about that particular uh their particular um component.

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Briefly, you're gonna you're gonna repair, the grass.

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And the stone walls correct, we do no, we we will, as as part of the contract,.

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This removal of the septic system, septic tank included.

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Abandonment of it so abandonment, that's uh removal of the top uh draining uh holes in the bottom to.

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Allow for uh water to flow down through and uh filling with sand or stone or other approved.

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Media and then loam and seed up top. If that's what you you know, if you want.

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um So uh and then, as far as the we we talked, we've talked about a lot of this uh just a reminder.

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There is the the zero interest loan option, so that would be something that gets added to your.

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Sewer bill, not your taxes, it's uh under the sewer bill and you know for the cost of whatever your.

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Your private property portion is you divide that by 120, and that would be your additional monthly.

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Payment for that portion at zero percent interest um and stephanie, if you could go on to the next.

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Slide it'll talk a little bit more about the details associated with that. Yes, okay, so we are.

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uh Creating with our legal department, a memorandum of agreement, which would include the cost estimate.

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Which we do have the unit prices and then estimated lengths uh for your property had if you.

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Had done a house survey and gotten a design that also would include any of the lien documentation.

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This is us paying upfront and an agreement for payment over the 10 years, so that documentation.

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Would need to be in place, uh there is the option to pay uh zach. Can we just spend a little bit more.

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Time on that, so uh when, if there's so with the 10-year zero interest loan because there's a loan.

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There does have to be a follow-through with a mortgage lien um on the property, which is very.

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Common when you have a liability like so, if you go to sell the property, it's got to be resolved or.

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I don't know if a loan has to be resolved or not. I believe it does so that the lien has to go in.

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We will have a drafted document that will be part of that memorandum of understanding for the lien.

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If you elect to pay up front, um then you do not have the lien portion, you know it just.

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Gets paid for, and you know it's it's whole and we'll have to figure out how to do that um on.

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The memorandum of agreement, the other, the other important part of the memorandum of agreement.

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Is allowing us access on your property to do the work? So it's an important document from the.

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Standpoint of it's, the agreement between the city and the private property owner uh for us to be.

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Able to go on and do the work, so we it's not fully. You know we got to get a draft together. We have to.

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Get it all ready to go we're working on that, but that's a important document for everyone to read.

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Then there's the wetlands buffer agreement. Yes, so should there be.

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Any wetland buffer impacts there aren't any perceived wetland impacts but as work.

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Would get done in the offset of the wetland, so we call it a buffer, it's a protected zone, so there.

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Are signatures if there's a wetland buffer on your property that would need to be signed as part of.

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Any of the private side work, so that would also be included in uh the memo moa uh packet.

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As well so then you would not need to sign. I don't have to sign that yep. No, so there's a um and then.

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In terms of the cost so right now the the cost for those who have asked for a design and a cost.

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Estimated based on what we have for information in front of us, the stuff that becomes variable.

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Is like, if you ask, for a realignment, we've got to recalculate those costs um so just realize.

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That when you get it, you need to look at it say: okay, this isn't what you know. Maybe maybe.

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We messed up- maybe we put it in a different spot than you would ask for. If you want to us to look.

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At having to realign that to uh change it, you know that that may may or may not change the.

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Cost because everything's an itemized change so just just be aware of that, um as it relates to.

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Doing work, you know, as I just mentioned, doing, work on private property is not something we.

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You know we're usually not doing that a lot, so what we would do, we would have another.

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Pre-Construction meeting just like this before we initiate any of that work, I'm sure people.

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Are going to have questions like you know if we have to do plumbing reroutes? What's that mean.

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Those are a lot of details that we will want to talk with the people who are.

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Interested in connecting and get those worked out, I don't think we have to do it right now.

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um But that that you know so we'll have another meeting like this. Just don't feel.

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Like this is the the only meeting we're going to have as it relates to private side work.

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Will there be a time under which those costs are honored like if we're not connecting straight away.

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And marketing yeah: it's okay! It's a good question. So this is uh the way that we structured the.

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Agreement with um the contractor is that they we have to hold their costs for a certain time period.

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um Right now, you might guess, with the with the way things: are they don't love to hold costs.

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For a certain time period, so in a normal time I honestly thought that we would have been able to.

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Negotiate with severino to hold those costs for much longer, I don't think we're going to get that.

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Kind of flexibility, so you know we we have that opportunity. I think it's.

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On the order of nine months to to hold the costs, so that's why we want to find out by july how.

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Many people actually want to connect because we'll try and get as capture as many as we can and then.

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Sorry, if I could just a little bit further, uh you know the contractor. Is you know if, if the.

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City council approves of funding and through the the bonding process for the south side of this.

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You know this is just the first construction season, we'll have another construction season.

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um We'll have the private side work ongoing, so you know the longer that the contractor's here.

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The more likely we are to be able to capture those those prices once the contractor gets to.

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The point that he's completely done what we refer to as substantial completion.

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On on the the all parts of this, so private side work on the north and the south.

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The the work in the roadway on the north and the south, you know they're gonna, leave and then.

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There's this this uh this next slide, which is you know? What do we do at that time? You know we're the.

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City is going to have to come up with another plan to actually uh next slide. Thank you to actually.

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For those who are interested in connecting at a later date, um we're gonna have to come up with a.

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Plan on how to actually construct that, so at that point you know the costs are subject to change.

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Because we're either gonna have to get another contractor or come up with another approach to be.

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Able to do that work, so it's it's in everybody's! You know interest from a cost standpoint to.

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You know if they're interested in connecting now would be the time to raise their hands.

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To the city, can you hire your own contractor to work on your own marketing property.

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You have to go through the cities, um it's a good question. Let's follow up on it.

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um Sorry is there a list of people who have elected to have the design.

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Done for their property, in other words, this happened a year ago. Some people forget.

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Seriously, no, this is way the construction drawings will be on the website.

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And there's a service drawn on those those properties based off that inspection. So you.

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Can go to those drawings, look up your property and you'll see. What's your property address.

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Well, I mean it's not really mine, it's like my neighborhood 272 walker, bungalow road and I've.

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Seen and basically what you're saying is you see a line? You see a line come down the street.

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And then you might see a line to your property, so the they'll be on every property that says.

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Either did not elect for a fifth exact review, but they says they're, not elected inspection.

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Or it shows the approximate alignment through their property that we're expecting it to take.

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Okay, I'm sorry! Where is that there's on the plan drawings, so they were on the um city's purchasing.

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Website the ones that we had just shown, the ones that severino uh bid on and they will be on.

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The website for the project yeah the sagamore app project, page okay, so we have uh before we get into.

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Questions, uh please hold them. If you don't mind, uh we have just this last part. So there was there's.

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There's really three categories: we have the people that already have a design.

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And they will essentially have all the everything that we need to move forward. They'll have a cost.

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uh We we have had. uh There was a question about people that might be interested in.

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Connecting and looking for a design to get done so those people should contact zach directly and.

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Get that moving as soon as possible and then there's those who may not not want to connect.

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Until a later date, so we we need to at some point be able to identify the the cost that we need to.

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Keep within the time frame that we have in the cip. um So by you know fiscal year, 28, cip, we're.

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Working on and completing by december of 2026., so we really want to by december 2026 identify.

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Those who want to take part in the program as it currently stands, as we've talked about tonight,.

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uh Granted those if they're, connecting at that point, that's going to be but done by someone.

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Else uh you know if they're connecting after this contractor leaves, uh but that's that's.

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Something that uh you know we by december 2026, we really like to know who wants to connect.

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So we can finalize our our funding and then um that would be kind of the the overall intention.

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um And then I think that covers that we have a number of uh frequently asked questions.

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We're going to run through those quickly if people can hold their questions or.

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Okay, someone asked how the residents will know if the system is clogged.

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So we were not sure if this exactly meant the sewer system, meaning in the roadway or ferment.

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The pump system so we'll answer for both. um So as far as the the low pressure system, that's in.

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The roadway, the the pump that you will have is is a macerator pump, meaning it grinds everything up.

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So the the debris that gets into the pipeline is generally ground up into small pieces.

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We have, we have a number of these low pressure systems throughout the city.

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We have not had to flush them, they have not clogged. We have not had issues with them. I've.

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Seen chunks of grease come out of them like plugs of grease, the pumps are relatively high pressure.

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So, even if there are something that's starting to slow up, it's going to it's going to slug it out.

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So that's kind of the sewer system side on the on the pump side, the if there's a malfunction with.

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The pump or, if there's high water, so if there's a malfunction, would be like the pump didn't work.

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Or if it's running too long or there's water in the tank, but the pump's running or there's.

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Water in the tank and the pump isn't running it's going to result in an alarm condition so.

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That little panel, that we showed you earlier, it's going to be really loud like loud enough.

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That you hear it inside the house, that is your cue to stop washing. You know, shut off the shut.

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Off the the you know, any kind of anything: that's pre, anything, that's discharging water so that.

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We can figure out, you know you can figure out what's wrong with the pump. um We anecdotally.

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They they tell us, you know the people that have these in town have malfunctions very infrequent.

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The vendors who supply them said they're infrequent. They have service contracts.

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We went through all that kind of stuff uh during the course of the conversation earlier and those.

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Are all things that uh we can resolve separately, but this is right now talking about the connection.

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Into it, um so if the system, in terms of the system um backing up and causing damage, you know again so.

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If this thing is alarming, you need to stop running your water. I think that that's the first key thing.

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If, if you happen to be, uh if this thing, if for some reason, the system's not operating water,.

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Continues to flow it will, it will fill up. It's a 175, gallon 120 somewhere in that 25 gallon.

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uh Bucket, it's going to fill up, obviously just like. If the sewer system clogged the.

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Gravity sewer system clogged. You know you've got to be aware enough to know.

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That we're having a problem to stop it and preventing any kind of property impacts.

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uh So I think that that covers this one. If we go to the next slide, does it have that flow? Yes, yes,.

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There is a check valve at the property line at the curb stop, so anything from the main is isolated.

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From your service, it's actually a double: it's a brass double check valve system that they have.

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uh In this case, it is so a normal curb, stop. We refer to as a curb stop, because most people.

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Understand what that is, uh this is a it's a double check valve with a valve, so it has a.

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Valve that you can shut it off correct and then it has behind it on the private side, because.

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You want to be able to service that it's a double check valve. It's almost like a backflow preventer.

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Inside an industrial building, the the pump itself also has a valve, and the pump has one yes.

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So can't get past the pump also if there were to fail okay, so we had. We've talked about um the.

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Project has been bid. I think we've talked about that one um holding tanks priority one.

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Yes, yes, that's how we have the pricing, I'm sorry yeah! No, no, no problem! So just to clarify when we.

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When we bid it, we we had four parts to it. We only uh we only went under contract with one part, but.

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The other four parts provided us, the pricing- all we have to do is say, go, but we have to have the.

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Money we have to have you know we, it's not quite that easy. We have to know who's connecting we're.

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Going to readjust the the units unit quantities for everything, so there's some extra work in there.

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um Why are holding tanks number one priority? That's because there's very few of them.

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The ds agreement on uh the fact that they were supposed to be connected to it when.

D

The new sewer was constructed, so it's just those three properties, not a house. That's been built.

Q

Right now or or any other property, that's being developed right now and they throw in a.

Q

Holding tank and then they get first priority.

Q

Oh right, right now, there's three there's one into excuse me: there are only two.

B

North of the creek currently and it's uh if they're building now uh the sewer main.

B

Should be, it takes a long time to build new developments, so the sewer being substantially.

B

Completed by december of this year, I'd imagine that, are you referring to the golden egg property.

D

Correct yeah uh they're they're in the process of trying to figure out whether they're gonna.

D

Whether the sewer is gonna come before the you know, the chickens before the egg. Sorry.

D

So whether the sewer is going to be there before they, they need to connect to it.

D

um And I I don't know where I think it's fair- that they would get higher priority on the south side.

Q

Versus anyone that potentially has a failed system such as the um the woman, that's on the web, that.

Q

Said that she's at the mental health center yeah they they need a connection. Yes, I understand. Okay,.

D

uh Do homers need to connect? The answer is uh no. uh We would recommend from the standpoint of.

D

Well, no provided your your septic is working once your septic does fail. You'll need to connect to.

D

The sewer the state won't provide you. A new septic um we'd recommend that you consider connecting now.

D

Because of the cost sharing we have the contractor on site, we don't suspect the prices will be less.

D

In the future, just as uh general um do undeveloped parcels need a service. We have. We there's not a.

D

Whole lot of undeveloped services on the north side, uh there was one property that got recently.

D

Subdivided it will get a service, uh 27 shaw, that property or somewhere in the midst of getting.

D

Subdivided and but if there are no plans to develop a lot, there's no reason to extend a.

B

Service to it or provide sewer service to it. If there's we do on the south side, do we have.

D

Services to the undeveloped lots, I thought we did per uh request of the owner. Okay, so we're.

D

Not exactly sure on the service, but uh on the south side, but there I mean, if there's plans.

D

To put a service in, we don't want to be going out and uh basically impacting the pipe. So if someone.

D

Knows that they're going to do something with that property in a reasonable time frame we're going to put in a service for them? So we don't impact the longevity of that asset that sits in the ground.

D

It's not for any of the rate payers benefit, so we will plan with the people that have plans.

D

What costs will the homeowner cover we've spoken about, that.

D

If owner chooses not to connect now with a cost change, and that comes down to when the contractor.

D

Leaves and when you know their pricing changes so that that is potential for that to change. Go ahead.

D

um You guys talked about having 350 000 earmarked for the private sewer portion of this.

J

And can you just describe whether you've got that already like allocated so you've got.

J

Two properties on the north that have holding tanks and then you've got. I don't know how many.

J

Failed systems I mean like how far down how many properties does that cover right now, so we have.

D

300 000 from fiscal year 22, so that is money that is available to use. We have 450 000 earmarked in.

D

Fiscal year 23, but as I mentioned tonight, I want to find out you know if we can find out how many.

D

People want to connect, we will try and work with scheduling to see if one, if we need more money or.

D

If we can schedule it properly based on people's needs, so there may be, you know the requests may go.

D

Up, I don't know if the city council will agree to that or not, but we have the 450 000 earmarked so.

D

Between the 750 000 for those two, assuming that this is approved, uh that that's about 15 homes,.

D

Okay, so right so at 40, 44, 000 and change, that's 15 homes. So that's why on average, so each remember.

D

That's the average we're just using very high level average numbers. It's not every individual.

D

Property, so we that's why we want to know sooner than later, how many people want to connect, because.

D

Up until now, all we knew is that we had a price we didn't know. We didn't have commitment.

D

So we want to move that ahead. We have 65 homes that have requested design that isn't.

J

All the homes, but that's the substantial portion of the north side uh on the north side, it was both.

B

North and south you got 65 north south and right now, your fiscal year, 22 plus what is going into.

J

Cip for fiscal year, 23 would cover 15., so we've got if you've got 50 that aren't covered and so.

J

What you're looking for is the people who have requested design to come forward and say: yes, we.

J

Want it I mean yeah. That would be first first to be anyone who has a design. Yes, anybody who.

D

Wants a design and thinks they want to connect. Sooner than later, we want to know that as well.

D

Okay and just on that, because again I want people to get in touch with you. If that's what you want.

J

We get in touch with zach and we say, looks like my house at blah. Blah blah has a design.

J

We would like to connect sooner rather than later. Yes, if there is a design hold on. Let me sorry.

D

Let me just clear that part up, so in terms of the connection process and timing, we didn't talk about.

D

That very well, so, let's, let's cover that quickly, so that the project's going to be constructed.

D

Starting on sagamore going towards the creek and then it will go down shaw right. Then up walker.

D

Bungalow and then you're gonna do cliff last uh yeah, yeah and cliff will be last for this area, so.

D

We we're working with severino now to try and figure out um with these systems. You know, there's.

D

Some people that we know need to be connected, it looks like it would make sense to go down.

D

Shaw or sorry down, sagamore get down to shaw to the um condominium uh area in the in the back.

D

And then that point get all the pipes tested, so we can actually start connecting properties.

D

uh Timing, wise that looks like how long don't we do it approximately it was fall, fall.

J

So you know when you come down shaw that end what you're calling the condominium you mean.

J

The cul-de-sac sagamore landing yeah, okay, cool yep, because that's technically on walker bungalow, but.

J

Whatever, oh sorry, my bad, um so sag more landing and we want to extend the pipe to it. We want to.

D

Extend the pipe to a point and then get it tested, you can't connect to it, connect services and stuff.

D

To it until it's all tested and ready to go so at that point, it'll open us up in the fall time frame.

D

To actually move forward with the first connections on the private side, who are adjacent.

D

To the pipeline, okay and then at the same time, yep and at the same time, they're going to continue up.

D

Walker bungalow and once they get to the end of walker, bungalow they're, going to test that section.

D

And that will be ready for private services and then, while that's going on they're going to be.

D

Going over to cliff to do that area and then by the end of december, cliff should be ready.

D

For private services that will probably push until april the next year, but all those other properties.

D

Will be able to at least start moving forward with them? So when we talk about um the costs, there's a.

D

Timing component, here too, so we, you know but again without commitment, it's hard to put all the pieces.

D

Here, together to try and figure out, okay, how much money do we need? When do people need it.

D

And right now you know the 15 will get us a good distance and that's why we developed the.

D

Prioritization, so that if we have to push people out who have a existing septic, that's functional.

D

For a year, then, we might have to have that discussion with people.

P

The the 44k includes the curved stop portion, it does not. The 44 000 is from the curb stop.

D

To the property and the house and the pump, so everybody gets a curved stop pretty much because.

P

It'd be insane not to give everybody yeah it well, you have to in order to have the system functional.

P

Got it right so everybody's getting a curved stop and then the question is just: do you.

P

Connect to it, you know with your piece versus the macerator and everything else correct got it.

D

um Can I just I'm going to run through a few more appreciate you guys, patience.

D

If property is connecting is multi-unit well each owner, so there was, we have one condominium or one.

D

Multi-Unit on sagamore ave, as I understand it, so that that unit will likely end up with one.

D

Larger pump system so it'll be a duplex system right where we're going with or is it just a.

D

Simple thing: it's called a multi-family okay, it's a larger tank; okay, larger tank, but a single unit.

D

So the way that we need to work with that particular property, as well as.

D

Any others who might be multi-unit unit from like a condo perspective.

D

Is we have to work through the owner to talk about their condo docks, so normally those type.

D

Of things would be stipulated in the condo docks who pays for it? Who how the costs are.

D

Shared how the maintenance is dealt with, we want to make sure that that information is in.

D

There- and we can give you general guidance on how to do that. We won't be doing the work, but.

D

You just have to figure out what you have in place for association kind of documents.

L

Next slide, yeah or we're still close. Will it be a future survey for private connections and we've.

D

Talked about that, the survey is for those who want to connect and get a price correct. uh What is the.

D

Process for connecting we went over uh who the city is drafting the memorandum of understanding.

D

uh Obviously, everybody gets the opportunity to review it uh for your individual circumstances and.

D

Look at it we're gonna, try and use one templated version. We understand people.

D

Might have their own things they need to address in there. You know we're trying to work through.

D

That but we prefer to just use one template for all the properties. Current cost sharing.

D

Proposal be available in perpetuity, uh it's very difficult to keep it in perpetuity, because then.

D

The city has like a never-ending obligation, um you know, as we've discussed it would. You know.

D

In our program, we want to know everybody that wants to connect.

D

At least under this program by december 2026, so we can include it in the cip for fiscal 28.

S

So now the cost sharing will not be available. Correct.

D

Please describe the process for those wanting an inspection.

B

um Reach out to me, if you want an inspection to uh get the cost estimate now.

D

And we've discussed the last one: a number of times go ahead.

F

Okay, 125 gallon. I have 125 gallon fish tank. So if you want to see something like that, go to a.

F

Pet store and you'll see how little that is for water anyway. After that, do you have like any range.

F

Of what each house that you've estimated on what's the highest you've seen for possible expense for a.

F

Homeowner because I mean I would think that most people would love to connect, but a lot of people.

F

A lot of us are in retirement age. We just don't have that money, and so I need to know even if it's.

F

A zero percent loan- I'm gonna- have to work another bunch of years to pay for it. But how much is like.

F

The maximum, what you're, seeing for a house that you might have to go down a long driveway? Are you.

F

And if this, if your sewer septic, is the back of your house, are you going to try to go through.

F

The side of the house, the foundation or the bulkhead, or what are you going to try to do.

D

So again, it's very dependent on each property. We tried to work with the property owners during the.

D

Initial survey to say: okay: where would you you know we kind of look at where's your existing.

D

um Septic system right because you got a pipe coming out, a lot of them are yeah. So there's.

D

um So anyways you look at kind of you figure out whether existing septic. We have a bunch of.

D

Professionals sitting here that will help you help guide you through that process to say: okay,.

D

If you are to do an internal plumbing reroute, you might be able to save ten thousand dollars.

D

By avoiding a rock wall on the back back side of the property, so we we will go through that process.

D

With you, if you're interested in getting a design the the numbers vary, I don't know that them off.

D

Top my head and honestly I'd rather talk with each property owner to see if there's opportunities.

D

For cost savings, and if we need to do that, we'll do that if they have to. If, if you do a plumbing.

D

Reroute, you can't use the existing one, there's there's a penetration in the foundation and again.

D

All that portion is the city's cost, regardless so you're yeah, when we get to the portion that.

D

You as a private property would be responsible for it's from that pump to the edge of the road.

D

So that sounds better than the last meeting. uh It's it's the same, but in in that pipe is.

D

A one and a quarter inch diameter flexible pipe. So if you have a big rock in your yard, we can.

D

Go around the rock if that helps, there's ways to manage that and try and reduce those costs.

F

On your range of estimates, what is like a top estimate in your theory, so I'm not going to.

D

Provide it, I don't, I don't know what it is. I mean the average was for 65 houses. So if you're 80 feet.

M

From the road or 30 feet from low they're doing an average, it's a case by case you need that service.

F

If you need, if you need, the numbers you can continue, 30 000 is, uh is the average for the.

D

Entire cost, it is not the private property portion six and that's only on average, we.

D

Need to if you're interested in the connection I would like to uh and I'm not I don't have the.

M

Number yeah, I'm looking at a survey, it's case by case I know, but is it 50 feet, 60 houses or.

F

Whatever so the average was 40 with six, that's that's all we can provide if you want an app.

F

We have the numbers we'll be providing them to everybody who asked for it. If you'd like one.

D

Please let us know: okay, okay, thank you. Another way to do this. Can you get the homeowners.

K

Specifications of what they need, because I can go, get an estimate right down to the dollar line.

D

Yeah, I understand, I understand your your request. You want to buy something. Do you.

K

Want to tell me what it is: it does something, but what what grand pump is it? What size pump.

Q

I jump in, we need all those, let me just if I can jump in well. I think at this point um until.

D

You know right now the only plan that we had in place until you asked that question was to do.

D

This work through contract with with severino we we can't take on the liability associated with a.

D

Private contractor working on a private property, so you know, generally, you know short of having an.

D

Opportunity to think about your question see if there is an arrangement that would work.

D

I'd have to say that you know our contracts with severino. The work will be done by severino routes.

D

You'll have to pay for the costs all of the costs yourself, so okay, so that'll, be in writing about.

K

This with the specifications, I'm still trying to get the specifications sure sure it's uh it's.

K

I'd like to get three bids before I do stuff on my property yeah. I know I understand we we got, we got.

K

Saying the first guy walks in go, go, do it buddy we have a competitive. Are you know what you're.

K

Putting there sure we have a competitive, you know we, this project was competitively bid through our.

K

Process the whole project, I'm talking about single property owner yeah. Well, I mean right now, if a.

D

Property owner wants to connect themselves, they're absolutely allowed to do that at their cost.

D

The the one challenge yeah after after the system's constructed I mean it's: we've got to wait.

D

Until the it's it's ready and available for you, yeah yeah sandy desisto, we're at 36th shaw, road.

U

So our system is fairly new and we've only been in the house for five years, so we can elect to.

U

Wait until as late as 20 december 20 28 26 just to plan for it to plan for it, we we need to.

U

Wait to connect until if we're in the plan, yeah in fiscal 28, correct, okay. My other question is.

U

um If we decide to go outside that time frame, then there would be a set of specs and an ordinance or.

U

Something of what we would need to meet for our own construction sure if you were to go out if.

D

You're outside of that time frame- um and you were to connect this- this system was designed for for.

D

One type of pump and that pump is a environment one system, so we we could give you the specs there.

D

You know we can. We can give you that information, that's not an issue, it's it's! What they bid on.

D

And there's other you know, but the the piping diameter that is literally sits in the ground.

D

Or will sit in the ground is designed around one system, the systems all pump at about 11 gallons.

D

A minute, and that allows us to minimize the size of those systems so that there's small diameter.

D

And then the the process they described earlier, you know you have certain number of pumps, the.

D

Diameter goes up is all driven by the number of pumps that connect. The last thing was that.

U

Abandoning the current system is there any kind of requirement for the leech field.

D

The the leech field itself, no, no, the leash field. I think we're intending to just leave as.

D

Is the septic tanks, tanks would get abandoned, broken down cover taken off and then loamed.

D

Seated, if you wanted, or depending on where they sit in your guard, we'll have to figure that out.

V

Yes, one is um in 2020 this project per.

V

Per resident was going to be 6 600 50 years later, we're at 1600.

V

Sorry, how do you stop? How do you make it sure that that's where it's at 16 000, that's where it is.

V

I also am curious, still curious, who takes care? When is the city going to walk away and say.

V

You're responsible for your pump you're responsible for your electric line.

V

That last little yellow portion to the house. What is when are you going to stop, or I mean.

V

I think you need to let people know that, and my third thing is um at in 200 2026.

V

That's that's when you're going to be done out of there right.

D

So uh done out there for what for this contract? Okay, so um first, who takes care of it after that.

D

Sure because I don't see it being done in 2026., so those are my three questions.

D

Okay, so let me try and clarify this so on the the 6600 was what we had at that time, based on um our.

D

Estimates so the the real numbers are 16 000 on average. So we just talked about that at length.

V

I know it's average average is, is average, so it's there's gonna be some that are lower. There's going.

D

To be some that are higher and that's why we're going to send it out we're keeping that average.

V

How are you going to keep that average? Have you already made the deals with the contractors that.

D

The prices are bid so as long as we can get them under contract for as many people that want to.

D

Connect which has a number of complications, as we tried to describe you, know between approvals.

D

The contractual arrangement- this is not a an easy contractual arrangement because we had to take a.

D

Bunch of numbers that people said they wanted put them in a contract as if it was going to be what.

D

Gets executed, it's probably not what's going to get executed exactly so we're going to adjust for.

D

That, um but we right now we're in a good place to do that if we have a good sense of what's going on.

D

And how many people want to connect, after that? We have to uh you know, as I mentioned.

D

If once they're out of town- and we don't have fixed prices, um then it's subject to whoever.

D

Whatever the city either comes up with a plan or some some folks might elect to just do it.

D

Themselves, um which would be their cost, but if they take part in the cost, sharing approach.

D

We'd either have to do a contractor or do it with our own staff. We need to figure out what.

D

What works best in terms of how many people want to do the work you know, there's we don't know if.

D

There's going to be two connecting a year, we don't know if there's gonna be 12, you know if there's.

D

Two, we might be able to do it with with uh our own forces. If there's 12, you know we're gonna have to.

D

Hire a contractor, we have on-call contractors that we could use to get pricing and we'll.

D

Probably have to re-up that pricing based on what I'm seeing every year at this point, so there's.

D

There's a number of different things that would go into it. um I suspect severino will be out of.

D

Out from underneath the contract in the time frame of um so we have, this is construction year, 2022.

D

2023, probably the end of 2023 or the early part of 2024, like by june, I suspect, they'll be out of town.

D

Assuming that the south side is awarded and we move forward.

D

So then, as far as the future, what I was talking about is we're planning for funding through fiscal.

D

28 we need to have our numbers in for the cip by you know, latest december 2026 for fiscal 28.

D

Because it starts in, we start the cip starts very early. Counselors can tell.

D

You, but we start cip in you know, august september, for the following fiscal year.

D

So, in order to get it for july, 1 of 2027, which is the beginning of.

D

Fiscal 28: we need to have numbers and number of connections by december 2026.

V

So how long are you going to keep taking care of the pumps and the lines between the house.

V

And the pump well, whatever we plan for by the end of december 2026, is what we're going to plan for.

D

And that'll be whoever's in that grouping will be. That will be the end of what we planned for.

D

The warranty, oh sorry, warranty, um do you want to summarize watching you generally.

E

Carry a one-year warranty from when each property would be finished so that individual property.

E

Would have it's own, it's standard completion with it and once that pump is tested, approved.

E

Etc, it's a one year, warranty period where that's where the contract is stolen, the hook.

E

To make sure things are installed correctly and what is the average lifetime of the pump.

E

I don't know the top of my head. It's. They said it's 15 to 20 years.

K

Cost for replacement is about 2 500 hundred dollars, so yeah the in the about the other.

E

Side we showed earlier it's just uh inside the tank, the pump's like its own little piece. You.

E

Can kind of grab it out and replace it? It's not the whole new structure.

F

Just for complete transparency and no secrets, I don't understand why you can't tell me a.

F

High end price, for, like one of the worst case scenarios, did they.

D

They range 60 grand was, it was 8 000. I don't have numbers that might be right.

E

I don't think we have the numbers with this tonight. You should be able to tell me something in.

F

Front of all these people, um the only way I could answer it and I don't mean any offense to anybody.

M

Yeah: okay, okay, I'm gonna, try and answer. If tidewatch you drove through there.

D

Well, there is, there is no secret, so as we as we go through, we will we're consolidating the numbers so.

D

We can get them to everyone. Is that because you just don't know, are you telling me that yeah so.

D

They, when they did this right, we took all the houses, all the private work and we said there's.

D

17, stone walls, there's 6 000 feet of pipe, and these are not the exact numbers but there's 6.

D

000 feet of pipe, um we need a number for stone walls averaging everyone with the same 16 000.

F

Different people are going to have different costs, but yeah we got to go through and break all that.

D

Out and provide it to the owners, we have not done that. Yet we've not done that. Yet I'm trying.

F

To answer yeah, I'm sorry hey! So just a clarifying question on my call. My neighbor here who asked the.

P

Question so assuming you want to put in your own piece of pipe between the you know, your macerator.

P

Pump and the and the and the curb cut or whatever the curb stop you could do that right. You guys.

P

Still install the pump you connect to the house, you put in the electrical, you know we're not doing.

D

Excavated you can put in your own pipe or you can excavate it yourself. You need to or get your own.

P

Contractor to do an inch and a half pipe as long as it bites back and connected uh we're not doing.

D

That at this point I mean I'll, take the question back and ask to make sure I'm not overlooking.

D

This, but um we at this time we have, we have a contract, that contract stipulates all the work.

D

It's a way that we have protection for the city to have the contract done. It's a way that we're.

D

Going to be working through the memorandum of understanding to protect the homeowner.

D

To do private work on private property, uh starting to incorporate a bunch of other components in.

D

There it gets very cumbersome and and difficult so right now the way that this works is we we will be.

D

Contracting with the the city's contractor to do the work on private property and that that will be.

D

The cost sharing component, so if you guys want to connect it's it's the whole kit and caboodle with.

D

The repayment for that section got it okay, so so otherwise you buy your own pump. You install.

P

It correct yeah, you can, I mean if you want to yeah there's the city has a sewer connection. Permit.

D

We we would provide you with the information that's needed on the pump itself, because.

D

You do have to purchase that pump um and then you guys are welcome to do it, but it's your cost.

D

From that curb stop back, um if you do it during construction, you know, there's there's usually.

D

Fees, those fees will get waived all that kind of stuff. There's all these other fees, but go ahead.

I

And that is, if you don't connect by 2028, because you don't think you need to and then your septic.

I

Fails that person has to do everything the way you want them to do that, or can they.

I

Put in another system for their septic, that person can put in um not another septic, but by by 2028.

I

There might be something better than whatever this is you're putting in and if I just say it's me if.

I

I have to do it in 2029 or 2030. I have to put in the same pump. I have to do exactly the way.

I

You have decided it should be done well, can I make a difference, you was, uh it was not me.

I

Not yes, we you, you have to use this particular pump, so you can hire whoever you'd like you. Can.

D

Get three prices you can do whatever, but the the pump itself has to be the one that gets connected.

D

And that that pump, you know as a general rule, is pretty simple in nature. It has a one and a.

D

Quarter inch pipe that connects from the pump to the to the edge of the road. And then you have a.

D

Regular gravity pipe that comes from the house. However, it comes and gets to that pump. I have to.

I

Use your system and your method, you have to use the environment one pump, yes, because of the way.

D

That the pipes and the roadway were sized. What, if you hate the thing? What if the whole city says, I.

Q

Have a lot of things I hate? Is it just the pump or is it the pump and the tank that it goes in.

Q

Is that one whole kit, the pump and it's one piece yeah? So if somebody's going to do it in 2030, it's.

Q

The pump and the tank is that the pump in the tank are an integral piece that goes together. You can.

D

Pull the pump out okay, but they they're sold as a package with uh with the electrical and all that.

D

Stuff, it comes as a package deal and the alarms and stuff yeah. It's a company called fr. Mahoney.

S

So, like I have a fairly new um septic tape and septic system um so, like I personally am.

S

Probably not going to need, you know like need the connection for a good couple of decades.

T

How do I know that there's going to be this pump to get I mean? How does the city know that.

S

That pump's going to be around two decades from now, plus I I mean the the they've been.

D

Around for how long now they go over 100 years at this point yeah, I believe, okay and the same.

S

Models same model; okay, I mean they make marginal improvements, but they generally result in the same.

D

Same hydraulic conditions that allow us to use the pipes that are in the stream sure that part.

T

Is yeah speed cool? Thank you good cyrus, the pump. What annual maintenance is needed today, if any.

L

uh We had a previous presentation on that. um We can provide that information, but it should be on.

B

The city's website we had a representative from fr mahoney uh come out and give a presentation on.

B

The e1 pump, um so that should be available on the uh project page of the city's website and.

B

Just just as far as let's just take the library on that so far mahoney they both sell the pump.

E

They also do municipal maintenance for many cities and towns across the northeast, at least, and they.

E

Basically, take those stats, for it was like eight or ten years of stats, where they run for entire.

E

Towns and they use those numbers to develop their approximate cost per year. So it's not.

E

Like a one-off of one homeowner on some dead-end street, it's a law, a big period of data and the.

L

Sirens the alarm and the electrical box does that have to be outside, or can it be inside the garage.

E

That needs to be outside because, yes, because when the person comes to operate the pump, they need.

E

To be able to basically turn off the power, if you have someone come in and actually remove the pump.

E

Or adjust the pump and then also if that person can be there, you don't necessarily have to be at.

E

The house at that point, so they can actually access it if needed when you're not around.

A

Good, I have a related question uh power outages. How do you guys? How do we handle that.

A

The power goes out, your pump is going to stop working is going to alert you to that and.

A

Do you need a generator? Do we need to generate so there is the ability to uh have a generator.

B

Hookup to it, but typically when your power is out things like your washing machine, uh your.

B

Dishwasher, the large water usage items are no longer functioning and just very little water. Just.

D

Being aware, well I mean your shower will still function in the city, because, if you're connected.

D

To city water, so you just got to be aware um that you have this mechanical piece of equipment that.

D

That will stop just like. If it alarms, I mean you got to know, to stop running the water, so.

D

That you can serve, you can deal with it and the state, so everybody should get a cost estimate.

K

Regardless, if they tighten it down or not, I think so. They know what they're looking at. That's what.

K

I'm thinking yeah and then then they should have a specification sheet. So they'll have that.

K

So if they want to tie in down the road they're going to have, this is what you wanted today. This.

K

Is this is the system you want I'm going to tie in five years from today this I already have it in.

K

Writing be a lot easier. This is what we're going to put in okay. So to me, I think everybody should.

K

Get the cost anyways, regardless, if you're, tired or not because down the road at some point, it's a.

K

Good chance of how you're going to need it, yep, and maybe everybody in this room will be still doing.

K

These jobs right, somebody else made it. You want the specifications well yeah. This is a question.

S

A couple questions I'm going to narrow it down. um You mentioned that in the mou.

S

There's a section related to the wetlands buffer. What are we signing off on in that like what.

S

Is that actually, that they're signing off.

E

So so, um as part of the primary process of this, we told the state what we're intending to do so again.

E

For those 65 properties that, let us know what we are, they were they're intending to connect.

E

We just told the state hey here, we're playing these pieces. Excuse me: these houses will connect.

E

We think the sewer pipe will go roughly in this alignment and a lot of those houses near segment.

E

Creek specifically, there's a 250 foot buffer from sagging work, creeks a high water mark, roughly.

E

Back and so any work in that area, we had to tell the state we're going to do it.

E

In the public right-of-way, the city can sign off because they're, the primarily in the public.

E

On your private property, you have to sign off saying that you are aware that we are in the buffer zone. The state is already approved to work in the buffer zone.

E

But you have to sign off saying you're, aware of it and when it comes time for that, there's.

E

Probably a one-on-one chat with each of these residents, explaining what that sign-off is.

E

But that's the gist of it. It's it's notifying you that we're impacting the buffer zone.

E

We're going to it's previously disturbed areas because prop is already built on it.

E

And they're going to restore it back to a similar condition, so there are issues in there where.

E

If you ask like the contractor to pay the huge part of your property, you would not be able.

E

To as part of that, mou, because that permit's going to say we're putting back what was there.

D

And another good point about just identifying who wants to connect we do have. There are going to.

D

Be properties that we need to amend the permit to include so, if there's additional properties.

D

That want to connect we'll want to know that, so we get the permitting process underway.

F

Tim there's one question from patrick trevino about a spring underneath the road in front of his.

F

House so patrick's, just uh letting us know that there's a spring underneath the road in front of.

D

His house and 290 walker bundle so we'll have the contractor to check up on that.

D

Just bring it to his attention their attention. Thank you, patrick.

E

Okay, one more thing on the question earlier about power outages: the state did require us for every.

E

Pump to include a receptacle for a generator, so if you guys have a generator there's the ability.

E

To have this operate when power is out also, and so that will be included, even if we don't do a.

S

Generator already correct: there is not a generator, we're not supplying generators, but the connection.

D

Connection will be there regardless. Yes, is there a battery backup, I believe the alarms.

M

Have not a long term nine volt or something in there yeah something to the extent and they.

E

Similar to the other side, the e1 has done a ton of research and all these things, and they did some.

E

Like nationwide study of duration of power, outages and some of those things factor into their design,.

E

And that's what some improvements over time, so the pumps run on 110 or 220.. I believe they're.

E

All 110. it's a one or two horsepower pump. So there are a couple of properties that are.

E

um Commercial users, like um the person that called in earlier that might be a little bit.

E

Larger because it's a two horsepower pump, but they should also, I think, operate in one time.

Q

Yes, again, sheridan lloyd, 45, cliff road go back on the blasting. um Are you the representative.

Q

I'm sorry for the blasting, uh no we're with severino, but there are contracts so on the.

Q

Blasting the area that we're on cliff road, then you also have bungalow behind us. This whole area.

Q

Was originally a quarry, and so there is lots of the areas where it's actually the either from.

Q

Building the houses or from the quarry I don't know what, but there are open areas underground.

Q

That is just rubble that then has dirt. On top of it. So there's a huge cavernous areas under parts.

Q

Of properties- and it's it's in multiple properties around- is there any blasting impact? That's.

Q

Different or the ramifications of blasting that's different around those type of properties or that.

Q

Type of land versus ones that are solid granite because again cliff road is called cliff because.

Q

It is a cliff of stone, solid stone. There are houses in the neighborhood also that.

Q

Are literally cemented onto parts of the cliff, so if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge in.

Q

What's the ramifications when you do blasting on these extreme differences of, is it bedrock.

Q

I guess or whatever that you know you got rocks and then you got rubble underneath and what's the.

Q

Ramifications of any of this moving sheridan, how did you find out that information? Is it just from.

D

Your experience of digging in your yard or, what's the uh couple different things, the apparently the.

Q

For knowing that that was a quarry, it's actually one of the churches in town we were told, was built.

Q

Partially from the the rock that came from the quarry, there's also some of the believe it or not,.

Q

Deeds in the area that still have um the mineral rights are being maintained by somebody from like.

Q

A hundred years ago, on some of the deeds um and yes in going in our land, we can end up dropping.

Q

A six foot long steel rod down in and it drops down five feet down into the ground and other.

Q

Areas you're just putting right on the top and then it'll go right down to the ground five feet.

E

So, based on that, as if any residents are aware that on their property like you are, when you have.

E

Your pre-blast survey that let me mean during a blasting, make sure you're aware of it. So if you.

E

Point out those spots, they can at least be aware of it. They can notice this lasting company should.

Q

Be aware too, because it's it's, we just found the chipmunk holes and started exploring and.

Q

I've talked to other neighbors that they've been saying sort of the same thing they can plant some.

Q

Areas they can't other areas and they're finding that there's these huge openings and cavernous.

Q

Areas and parts of the arts yeah so when main dragon blast blasting's there anything you know.

E

About your property, tell them if you're like hey, I know it's a very propane tank and they they won't.

E

Know unless you tell them so anything, especially subsurface yeah, if you guys know things that they.

E

Don't know at least give a heads up. Sometimes they might not be able to do anything about it, but they.

E

Can at least be aware of it and plan accordingly well or, as I mentioned earlier, those may be spots.

E

Where they just avoid drilling or blasting, if they can, and it all is going to depend on you know what.

E

How confident the rock they're finding in the street is a lot of other issues? Okay, thank you.

E

But the more you can tell them and ask them like they are the experts at blasting, so yeah thank.

H

You for bringing that up and we'll definitely let them know about that. Their representative.

Q

Is the one that's coming out for doing the pre-blast survey survey? Yes, that's correct!.

I

I know you've done this before and I'm sorry.

D

From a cost perspective has full restoration after that pipe gets put in. So whatever was.

D

There before gets, put back, I'm really paying for is somebody to come and dig this trench.

I

Across my front lawn put a pipe in and then rip, that's it. Somebody else fills it in somebody.

I

Else puts some grass on it; they do that. That is included in the cost, sharing yeah piece of it.

E

So, if they're going under a stone wall on that, I don't know, I'm just asking- I don't know, but.

E

I'm just using as an example like: where are they restoring along that pipeline? Cost is on you paid.

E

Through the city's contract, where there's a stolen wall in the way they have to take down and rebuild.

E

That cost, if it's on the piece of pipe between the pump and the road shut off, that's on the.

E

Private property owner, if that's behind the pump to the building, then it's on the city.

D

Yeah, so if you have like a major what you're saying is just if you have something major.

D

That's in that area, the restoration of that is a separate cost that is still in the.

D

Private properties portion and that's that's what gets itemized when we have the opportunity to go.

D

Through that and provide it to everyone see during the meeting, you didn't see it that way.

C

I heard the opposite yeah, I heard the opposite. Okay, that you were the city was gonna, restore.

F

Whatever they had to take apart, they would restore it like to the house or to the driveway.

E

The city's contractor will be restoring it all. I think that maybe terry was trying to imply.

E

Correct there's a cost back and all the rest of that is there cost sharing to each of those. Yes,.

E

And that's not what you said in some of those things you can discuss with the contractor. If.

E

You want, for example, to not repair your wall, and you guys want to do that in your own. Like those.

E

Are things you can discuss with the contractor and can be removed from your scope, but that's.

E

Your interest or your mind not cost effective for you guys to do, but the city had to cover.

E

The way to basically rectify who's paying for what and the general thought was. Those are the.

E

Same costs, if you're getting a gravity, server connection anywhere else in the town, so they're.

E

Trying to basically pay off the difference in cost between a low pressure sewer. This unique.

E

Situation because of all the ledge and what a typical homeowner would see throughout the city.

Q

uh One other question related to this, because people keep talking about the sixteen thousand.

Q

Two hundred, do you have any idea? Was there any discussion or evaluation as to.

Q

The price being high, because there's going to be the requirement of blasting on properties to put.

Q

That private lateral line in or was it not to that level of detail of understanding what the average.

Q

Of sixteen thousand two hundred comes from, we, we carried some ledge where so we we did borings in.

E

The street and probes in the street and they're not at everyone's property and exactly where the.

E

Pipes going there's a guess that, yes, some of these properties will most likely have blasting required.

Q

To put the pipe in right throughout the whole alignment, and so some properties they might see in.

E

Their uh mou that there's no ledge assumed other ones might see there is ledge assumed and some.

E

Of those things we just can't know because it's underground and we did our best guess- to try and.

E

Estimate those where we could, when um those guys said that the main has to be, I think, five feet.

L

Down how far down does service to the house have to go same? The services is generally in the same.

D

Depth, um if we get into areas that are really difficult with ledges, there's other ways to.

D

Deal with it, um you know we can heat trace them. There's there's a whole bunch of different ways.

D

That we can kind of modify different things, but generally you want to try and get it down below.

D

The frost level, so it's not impacted on that, but it is one continuous pipe, so it is more it's it's.

D

More, it's less impacted by things like frost, but you know we don't you don't want it to freeze.

D

Either so another question I have regarding all right say: uh I live in a walk upon jose.

L

Ten people hook up. Two people have generators, the others don't in the event of a power loss.

L

With my house and say another house on a generator, it's only going to push that to the main. It's not.

L

Going to go anywhere once it's on the main, because the other house is ongoing yeah every time that.

D

You push any water into that main. That means can be completely full up to the gravity sewer. All the.

D

Time so anytime, one pump goes into it. That amount comes out the top. It's always under pressure. Well,.

D

Low pressure, even one pump, is going to push it three miles. Yeah that says it's positive. It's.

D

Just it's positive displacement, meaning you know, 125 gallons goes in. 125 is going to go out. Yeah.

N

Other part of this financial impact of this is.

N

Your monthly bill right so, as I understand it, the it's a 5x multiplier on your water bill.

D

What uh sorry we um we did present the cost, but, yes, you end up having uh to pay the surfy as well.

N

Which is last, I checked approximately four uh four times the water bill. Four.

B

Times longer, yeah, approximately yes, okay, if any of that was fine.

N

So any chance, that's gonna change. uh I mean every year we we do a project going on in town.

D

Yeah every year we we do the update on the on the rates. So I mean that's it's subject to change.

D

Based on uh our rate projections annually, okay, but you don't expect that to change drastically.

F

uh With the cost of everything going up now I mean we right now: we've been working, you know.

D

The the biggest impact we had was pierce island facility. um We did the rate rate stabilization.

D

For that um and that's going to go back into repayment, um so we're we're predicting in there.

D

In the range of four percent rate increases, and then we we have to be in front of budget in the.

D

Near future- and you know it's always subject to fluctuations based on things like chemicals.

F

For the next 10 years, that's that was what our projections were. Yes,.

D

It's four percent per year: yeah go ahead, um so quick question, just a um sort of a longer term.

S

Question this is specific to me or anyone who has a newer septic right now. If I sell my house prior.

S

To needing a replacement, am I being required by the city to hook up before I sell? No, no. I spoke.

B

With uh kevin keaney or kavani at new hampshire des, and as long as it is a functioning septic.

B

Within state laws we are able to waive the requirement to connect in uh to the sewer is.

S

There is that going to be put in writing somewhere so that I can have a record of that. Just because.

S

Again, you've got it emailed from zach that says that I got forward here perfect. Thank.

S

You now is that different from the 1980s yeah excuse me uh requirement anything older than.

L

85 has to be replaced before 85.

D

Go ahead and clarify the 1985., so the 1985 is a.

B

Des requirement, it is uh the approval of a septic prior to january 1st, of 1985.

B

We updated our sewer ordinance in december of 21 to give more leeway uh for the city to waive.

B

Requirements of uh connections, so the the state state is in charge of septic. You know so when.

D

You, when you for those of you had your septic replaced. You have to go through the state.

D

You know, after my discussions with them, I realized there's, there's not a lot of staff overseeing.

D

That program that they're just limited with the number of people from an oversight standpoint.

D

So you know, while there's some provisions out there, I'm not sure how hard they are enforced.

D

Obviously, if there's anyone that is, has a system that they say: hey, it's working.

D

Perfect, the neighbor comes to the health department, says holy smokes. It smells like.

D

Gross stuff over here uh we're gonna have to investigate that and then then it gets bumped up.

D

To the state they likely will come and inspect and they'll make a determination at some point.

D

But there's not like a hard and fast. uh You know it's. It's we're working with what that.

D

Guidance is and understanding that it's not it's, not a perfect system enforcement system.

D

Good, I want some clarification on this pricing, um so I don't want to commit today to tie in, but.

K

I'd like to get a price yeah, because I'm thinking about it, but I know what I want to know what I'm.

K

Buying so can we get a price, a written estimate on it are the specs. Is that a possibility yeah? Do you.

D

So you should you, you just want to be in the ballpark, yes, okay! No, I want to. I want to be there.

K

No, I want to know what I'm lying so I'm getting it. So every every person sorry hold on zach one.

D

Second, when you say you want to know what you're buying in the specs, you want the the specification.

D

We can pull it right out of the document that they bid and it has all the information on this.

D

Pump well just just with each property, is what I was trying to get at. So each property has.

C

A different price yeah, sixteen thousand- is an average yep, so some around there some are over.

K

So it's just just for our property, you can just get a price for our property, a written price. You.

E

Can do an inspection? Okay, that's all it is, and then we gotta start with commitment, but it's a.

D

Yeah, no, no, you don't need to commit today and you didn't get a price so there's nothing to commit to.

K

So that's clarification yeah, so you get it if everybody gets an estimate and then they can.

K

Determine each property owner that's worthwhile for them sure. So you talk talk to zach, we'll get a.

D

Design that looks well, we don't have them up, but the design is just a plan view and it itemizes.

D

Itemizes the different numbers we have costs already, so we can apply the itemized numbers by.

D

The cost and we'll get you a total great, thank you and, as far as specifications, the specifications of.

E

The product are on the website too, so we literally have like a 800 page document, or so that says.

E

Let me install a pipe that they're going to put this much stone under it when they're going to.

E

Put back the the grass after this compaction test, there's a a zillion things in this back suspect.

E

Specified it's there's a full spec if you want to see what we're recommending yeah so the.

D

And then um just just be aware that once you, you know, in order to get that design, we do have to go.

D

In and just confirm, uh if you have electrical capacity and if there's a beneficial routing.

D

Approach, you know, is it better to you know reroute the plumbing, or is it better to stay where it is.

D

So we try and minimize you know: what's the most efficient route, how do we minimize the impact and.

D

You know ultimately minimize that cost it. It's also great if you're there, for that.

E

To help, because sometimes a little more cost or less disruption is also beneficial. Like.

E

Some people would rather, the people works, they also all outside their house, okay, but it just.

E

Again, like you know, it could be a cheaper cost, but it caught involves a lot more disruption to.

E

Your basement than potentially something outside your house that might be beneficial to you so.

E

You want to be there when the work is going on very good, so like this was probably discussed.

Q

Two years ago, whatever when we talked about the e1 system, but you brought it up again the fact that.

Q

The top of the tank is at surface level, so that means the tank is not below the frost line. So.

Q

What do you do is the possibility of it freezing if you go away for christmas.

Q

Or something like that or you go away for two weeks in the winter time, is it possible for the.

Q

System to freeze, or do you have to put threes in it or pump it out or.

D

So the water is down below five feet so that the top of the system is at grade, and I don't.

D

Recall do they do they insulate their the covers? I thought they did. I think they do too, but I'm not.

E

Harmful either they may be an insulated cover. We're not positive, we'll, try and confirm that.

Q

Yeah the tank goes down and then, when you open up the tank, it's a big cavern. Until you see the pump.

D

Down there and then the bottom, you know the bottom couple feet is really where all the water is.

D

So then, that's down below the water down below the frost level, so you may end up.

Q

Being blasting right next to the foundations and to be able to put those in if they're, that deep.

Q

Yeah, uh depending on yeah, the conditions will have to let you free that up. Does it have does.

S

The tank have to go right against the house like. Is it something we can pull it off? The.

D

House and if we have to blast right next to a house, it's going to go a little further away.

D

And honestly, uh sorry, just you know we might, it may even be beneficial to utilize.

D

The location of the existing septic tanks. So if the septic tank's already down five feet,.

D

It may be less expensive to actually remove a portion of that to put it there and just capture.

D

The pipe that's going into it yeah, so those those are the things that get into the nitty-gritty.

D

Details, generally speaking, the tank is roughly five feet down. uh Well, it's going to vary based on.

D

You know you have an existing pipe. Sometimes those are oftentimes. Septic pipes tend to be very high.

D

um You know the tank, you know your tank gets. A lot of times gets brown in the summer. Now that.

D

Pipe is not that [ __ ], not that deep, um but they generally have to be down about five feet.

D

Right and the width of the trench for the service is how wide right berries on ledge again we're.

M

Only putting an inch a quarter pipe, but if you have to whole ram it, which we typically prefer to.

M

Do rather than blasting in your yard, by the time you start out five feet and get down the trench.

M

Needles down so we own restoration for the loam. I mean the excavator yeah, the pipe's. Only that big.

M

But the excavator, if it's on a lawn it may be two feet. If it's in edge it could be five feet.

S

I have an aesthetic related question um so, where the pump comes up out of the ground.

S

We have control to some degree of where that goes so, like I have a wee little tiny yard.

S

uh And very little of it is sort of like publicly usable space. I'd love to not have a pump in that.

S

Space very little of its facts um can we get any kind of say over where that ends up going.

D

uh Yeah, I mean ultimately that you know so in your condition where you might may not elect to connect.

D

uh You can do whatever you want, if you're paying for all of it, um even in the condition that.

D

You're, paying for just the service under the cost, sharing proposal.

D

If you want to locate it somewhere else, it just will have an impact on that on the service portion.

E

And we did try to keep it certain to solve the house, let's get the exact number, but it's.

E

Mostly from a make sure to excavate and get into that point without hitting the building is the.

E

Some of the factors to it. So if you try to get too close to your house.

E

The contracts are going to probably have concerns because they don't want to damage your property.

E

But, to a certain extent, you guys can certainly we're not trying to put in the middle of the.

E

Yard and put it in your way, we're trying to get as much out of the way as you can and.

E

If there's like a lone dairy in your property that we didn't, we didn't notice from out there.

E

Initially, that's usually a good place to put it in here, because you can dust it over a little bit.

E

Alone and kind of cover that part up it has to be accessible in the future, because if you have.

E

An issue just like this happening: someone has to get to it and typically it's a third-party company.

E

For this type of things, because most people don't work on their own pumps and if they can't access.

E

The spot they won't know where to go they'll help you, wouldn't it be bad to put it in the driveway.

D

I don't think it's, I don't think you can put a car, you can't drive a car over it, so it can't be.

D

Located in the driveway, thank you if you guys want to grab contact sheet, I don't know if that'd be.

I

Associated with this tank, uh the odors stay captured inside the tank, just like your existing.

D

um Your existing plumbing, you know you gotta, it's all gonna, be still connected to your vent, pipe.

D

In your house, um so it's it's really not a huge change, no, no worse than a septic tank. That is also.

D

Enclosed, yes, oh so, I'm on the north side, um 11 67 tag more. Obviously you said it was by the budget.

R

Based on how much money to get accomplished worst case scenario, if my septic does fail.

R

I, for the holding tank- am I still allowed to do that and who is who will pay for that.

R

If it's going to take, say two years to get in line to correct and connect, so if your septic.

D

Fails we'll we'll you know that was one of the high priority. You know we try to shift around.

D

Priority and money so that you get prioritized um if all the money spent we'll have to try and come.

D

Up with another way to fund it, yeah we want to. We want people to connect, we want to resolve the.

R

Issues so I know it kind of changed prior to 2020. It was going to be all on one sheet.

R

And now it's north and south so right I wasn't really anticipating that, so we weren't either.

D

Other questions, well, you said you could make all those slides. We could come pick them up uh yeah if.

D

You'd, like a printed copy, we can do that a paper copy of the okay and we'll put the slides up on.

D

The website as well well, the slides, will go on the website, but I'll yes, we'll print a copy. Thank you.

I

On this very nice paper, please, I don't know where that paper came.

Q

This this may be a little bit redundant, but so if we have any issues.

Q

In the street, well any of the constructions being done having to do with any component.

Q

Of it, are you still probably wrong? Yes, you will right right phone number, roy, I'm sorry, yeah yeah,.

I

Sorry about that, okay and your best contact is calling you first, yes, absolutely yeah yeah.

E

He'll generally be on site, because if there's work going on, you should see me.

B

On the site, so I should be hello: you're really close by yeah you'll be wearing a blue shirt.

D

Tap your heels three times, they'll show up.

E

Thanks everybody have a nice night appreciate your time. Please do grab a contact sheet on your way.

D

We didn't out any more questions.

D