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2.1.2022 Union Street Sewer Separation Project

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Well, I wasn't here with dave earlier and he said this meeting is being recorded. Okay,.

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All right, I'm zach cronin assistant city, engineer for portsmouth I'd like to thank.

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You all for coming, I'm joined in city staff by tyler reese, associate engineer david fosus.

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Construction engineer and peter rice, dpw, director and joined by cma engineers bill corbett and.

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Josh bouchard we're here to talk about the union street sewer separation project. It is required by.

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Our consent, decree with the epa and des to separate the water and sewer uh on union street.

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Sorry, storm water, yes, the water and the sewer are already separated.

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So the uh yes, the drainage and sewer, and while the road is open, we will also be replacing the water.

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uh Water in the mine. Sorry, at this time, turn on the presentation and turn it over to phil corbin.

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Good evening so yeah we're, I don't think we have anyone else in zoom. So.

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We're primarily presenting you and where I was going to watch a recording uh so.

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Tonight we did our introductions and talked about who's involved, so I think we're past that.

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The project limits the purpose of the project. uh What we've done today, look at the schedule.

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And then primarily, uh you know this meeting as we move ahead into the conceptual design.

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Is to get information from you and understand what the issues are for residents and make.

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So that's primarily we're not quite at a blank slate stage, but pretty close to that.

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um So uh we're really looking for any issues or concerns or questions you have tonight so.

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We can consider those as you move ahead. um Sorry again, tonight's meeting explain the.

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Scope of the project uh solicit your concerns and then also just talk about right. One of the one.

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Of the components of our next steps is doing uh basement, surveys of residences so going into homes.

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And evaluating uh where your sewer connections are, we have to make some changes with when we.

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Replace the super main and do the separation, so we need to make sure and understand that works.

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And uh understand if there's uh drains in the basement or some pumps and other things that.

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Accommodated or separated or whatever else so we'll talk a little bit more about that.

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So project limits and there's a map up here too we can. We can look at.

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That, after the mean, if it's anything else, you specifically want to point to, but in general.

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uh Zach described you know, the main objective of the project is to separate the sewer and drainage.

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uh So, in order to do that on union street, these are the limits of the affected utilities. That's.

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Primarily, what's driving the project and the limits of uh roadway and sidewalk reconstruction.

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And everything else, um so that may change a little bit as we do the basement surveys and.

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Start to do our investigations, but generally you know it's: it's union street austin street.

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And then a portion of cabot street and then we'll be doing some work out on middle street.

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To reconfigure some sewer services likely and make our connection down to filler street.

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And sorry before we leave that's right, there is some color coding on there. So that's um there's.

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There's kind of the purple area that our houses that we know will be affected by our redesign.

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We gotta make sure that that works. We just have to raise the sewer a little bit in that area.

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We want to make sure we can serve everybody by gravity and still do that and then the.

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Whatever that other color is orangish, color uh are our homes that we would potentially.

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Reroute the service that are going, you know a lot of those go out. The back of the.

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Home now and so we'd be looking into re-routing those either in the coffer court or middle street.

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And we just need to understand, what's going on there and but how we might be able to achieve that.

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So that's the project, that's so right, purpose of block project and we've got.

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Separate the flows uh which you know that achieves reducing combined to sewer overflows.

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And that's required by epa and es. I just talked about reconfiguring those backlot services as.

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We can so we get rid of services that are going across other people's properties and.

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Don't have great access to um and the replacing all those utilities, the water mains and services.

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uh To the right away same thing with the sewer mains and services, except for the you know, ones.

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Where we had to reconfigure in the hole and then that would get entirely configured as.

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A part of the project uh and then replace the storm drainage so make some range improvements.

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uh Throughout the corridor um and then look to you know, incorporate some lid, that's that's low impact.

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Development stormwater treatment, so as we can, I think there's some opportunities. It's difficult in.

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Urban corridors but there's opportunities to provide some water quality treatment. We would.

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Do that as well and then, once all that's done, of course, reconstruct the streams in the sidewalks.

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So this graphics, just kind of showing, if you don't know what a combined.

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Sewer overflow is so generally, you know right now we have the combined uh sewer and drainage.

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Pipe that's accepting sewer from homes, it's accepting drainage from the street, catch basins,.

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And when that gets inundated, it doesn't have the capacity to all go to the wastewater.

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Treatment plant so that's, what's called a sewer overflow and uh that's when you get.

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Discharge of that untreated, so that's what the reason that all these are getting separated so.

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That we can just direct wastewater to treat plants separate out the storm drainage.

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So right we talked about we'll we'll be just some of the key items we'll.

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Be focused on and a lot of stuff that most people care about we'll be reconstructing.

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Sidewalks we know there's a mission of things going on up there and there's trees and.

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Inconsistent sidewalks and not ada compliant and all those sorts of things so at the.

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End of the project, the goal will be to have consistent sidewalks throughout the corridor.

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um Reconstruct those, so we've got safe, passable routes that.

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Are requirements then, of course, fixing the drainage there's some areas now that it's an old.

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Range system and things have changed and there's been a variety of painting going on out there. So.

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We'll look to clean all that up and improve drainage. There's a lot of driveways sidewalks.

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That don't bring well. So all that would look to improve at the end of the project.

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uh You know assessing the trees that are out there.

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There are some trees and you're talking about your landscaping right. We will look at what.

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Will have to be impacted from construction? um What are the condition of the trees? Do they.

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Are they in good health or should they be taken down and replace this part of the project and then.

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What do we do to supplement those and have a good variety of landscaping and trees at the end of the.

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Project so all that will be part of the assessment and come up with when we uh develop a plan.

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uh And then, of course, one of the other challenges of this project- that's unique.

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Is just confidence cord because it's so narrow uh trying to reconstruct water and.

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Sewer there, the proximity, houses and space constraints in there, but that's the goal.

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Is to get utility service in the conference court to get rid of those backlog connections.

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uh So one important item is trying to determine the roadway cross section.

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And this is a section here that uh has been implemented on several several of.

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These neighborhood projects that have been done previously uh so right now, you're well.

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Kind of talk about our curved curve width showing up there that 28 foot dimension was.

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Kind of high behind the control panel. But um you know the width from carpet curve of the paved road.

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Is about 31 to 33 feet and a lot of these have ended up with a 28 feet, curving curve, which.

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Gives you a little bit more flexibility um with a providing a real grass strip and consistent grass.

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Strip with landscape areas, making sure you get a five and a half foot sidewalk in there.

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So that that can be accessible and maintained in the winter uh and also just helps with connections.

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To homes, those sorts of things, but it is, it would be narrower than what's there now and.

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That's something that you know we'd be happy to hear folks input. There's again it's hard.

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To understand what that really means, but in this case you could just go on each side of.

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The middle stream and look at you on the other side, questions now or just no, no we'll yeah, we'll.

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uh So right on the on the east side of middle street on union, you go over there. That's what.

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We would be proposing yeah next slide there you go right. I forgot we had that in there. So right.

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uh Before was very similar to what you have now, and then they reconstructed that section in the.

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Street and now you can see sidewalk on both sides. In this instance, there was only enough.

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Room to have a grass strip on one side, but before there was none, so that's kind of. If.

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You want to get a sense of how narratives and what it feels like. There is several roadways.

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Particularly throughout that neighborhood that are that that's what we would be looking at and.

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This is currently the 28 feet. Curved occur on the south side of middle on union street. That's.

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Currently, what it is um so we're completed to date, so we've done uh site investigation.

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uh Which included uh getting the entire topographic survey of street the surrounding areas.

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Within the project limits and getting all the util, you know inverts and things like that.

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And then we've begun the conceptual layout of the utilities, primarily so we can understand.

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um You know what the impacts of people would be and what we need to really get out of the.

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Basement surveys and then we need to get through that step before we can move forward again.

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And upcoming, immediate upcoming work would begin doing those basement surveys and then.

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One of the other things that we will be doing is uh geotechnical investigation. So that's borings.

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uh You've kind of seen fade in the background, there's just a drill.

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Truck drill rate, so we would be uh doing a couple things about understanding what the.

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uh Roadway, the gravel conditions and soil conditions and depth of groundwater underneath the.

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Road, but also understanding, particularly where we're relocating utilities, with the depth of.

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Ledges because that's important in understanding costs and getting information of the contractors.

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uh So that will probably be within the next month or so there'll be a drill rig.

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Out there, for a couple days, just open holes and they'll go back in and have that done.

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So right yeah, I think I've talked through most of this, but basement surveys identify configuration.

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Of the sewer service basement drains, do you have a sump pump or floor drain and help us.

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Identify the plans for homes or sewer service needs from the backlog to a stream connection.

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And what to expect on the next slide, so there's a two-person team um they'll be have a safety vest.

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On an identification, the first step is they just go around and knock on doors and try to get in.

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To homes that where people are home um and if no one answers they'll leave a little door, hanger.

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No one's required to let them in. If someone has a concern with that and then, if it you.

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Know is a particular concern we figured we could work out something with you, but.

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Some some homes are more important than others um homes that uh you know, particularly where we need.

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To reconfigure the sewer service understand what's going on so it works, um but that will generally be.

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The plan- and I think the next couple slides is just mainly for when we post it up on the web. If.

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People wanted to go through and look at kind of what they're looking for. You could.

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Look in that, I don't think you can see that here. That's what's in the basement.

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Yep, so this presentation will be posted on the website as well.

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So you guys can take a look at these.

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So schedule moving forward uh they're going to start basement surveys next week. We're really.

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Looking to try to get that work done in february, it'll take a couple weeks and then warnings will.

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Probably be uh late february early march and then currently we'll be working through the preliminary.

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Design um february through may time frame, and uh we so right now we're kind of gathering.

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Information coming up with these conceptual designs and then once we are pretty far along with.

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That and have some ideas about where the utilities and what the street's going to look like. um We.

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Would present that before we kind of finalize the preliminary design and make sure there's nothing.

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Else we need to adjust um had a second public meeting. That would looks like april may time frame.

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And then wrap up the preliminary design once we get that second round of feedback and.

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Push through for the final design, um with the hopes of of uh getting things approved a bit.

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And bid to the winter kind of hit the ground running in the spring of 2023. So that's.

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Probably one of the more important concerns is when people will be out there and so the.

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There's the epa requirements to get things done. I think by october of 2023, so they've looked into.

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To uh get going in spring so there'll be construction throughout the spring and summer.

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um 2023 to get that worked out. One thing to note this states that basement surveys they begin next.

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Week but we're looking to continue them through to the end of february, beginning right, yeah.

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um So right, first boat meeting today we'll have the second public meeting in.

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The spring there'll be, there is a specific web page on the city's website, which is at that link.

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So I think it's live if you pull up this presentation or search for it.

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And uh there'll be information posted up there and I haven't checked again, but there will be.

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If there's not already a place where you can enter your email, let's sign up for notifications on the.

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Webpage so we'll be sending out some updates um and that's the bottom. It's just a little snippet.

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Of what that looks like so yeah, it should be streaming whether to have sewer separation and.

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I didn't one thing I didn't mention was um uh you know they're there tonight we're focused on.

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Unit street we split up the meetings, but they're really separate areas. We are proceeding with both.

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These projects, you need street and willard ave because there's some efficiencies in.

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The information gathering and design and things, but they really are kind of separate projects.

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So yeah, that's that that's the reason why there is two but they're.

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And I think I got through it all so yeah. If you have questions here and.

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I don't know if there's anyone else online now or not starting school.

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All right, we do have two attendees online um one with some questions. So shall we go ahead with.

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um The mcmahon's lisa you want to ask her question. Let's see, make sure that I can let you talk.

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Okay, you should be good.

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Okay, oh thanks, stephanie yep, hi, lisa mcmahon here my husband and I own 179.

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Union street, it's at union street at coffins court- um and I know it's not an historic.

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Neighborhood, but it's the john coffin house, it's the historic building um and in that.

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It's never been touched, it's still got all of its components, including the sidewalk um and.

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Never significantly changed, so I guess my my first question was when you mentioned the sidewalk width.

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um Would there be any plan to preserve if you have to disrupt this the brick sidewalks that are kind.

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Of historic, with some of the old buildings do: is there a plan to try to preserve that.

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Type of um I don't know if you want to call it frontage, because I think you know.

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Back in the day, it was part of the property, but it's probably city property. Now is that.

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That's my first question and then the second question is just around parking. We have five.

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Tenants in this um house that was made into three units you know many years ago, so three units five.

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Tenants I live on the west coast from portsmouth, but I'm not in town and I just want to make sure.

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My tenants are, you, know, properly taken care of and that they have parking. If there's an.

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Issue because three of them out of the five actually um use the street for parking sure.

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Yep uh so first question about the sidewalk. I know the city has.

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You know uh defined limits of where brick sidewalk goes and where it doesn't. I know.

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There's instances where there's some some special exceptions, but I think in general they're there.

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These projects end up replacing the complete sidewalks unless you're in that specific corridor.

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Which I don't, I don't think we're in for any of this, so we can certainly investigate that comment.

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Further, but I think in general, unless we're in the kind of brick sidewalk area, that's set forth by.

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The city defined that we end up with concrete sidewalks. um I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you.

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Or understand what you were explaining sorry yeah, so there's defined limits. The city has a plan that.

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Defines the limits of here's where brick sidewalks are required and here's where, if we do replace.

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The sidewalk they are replaced with concrete sidewalks. We are in the concrete sidewalk area.

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There there can be special exceptions to that, but I I don't know that we can promise that, but.

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I think in general, that's the policy of the city and then, if there's reasons to reconsider that.

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You know, I think that we can certainly talk with the city staff and see where we stand, but that's.

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That's the general approach is my understanding. Is that and oftentimes we can save the brick and.

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You know you can use it in front of a house or you can use it on the front side of the sidewalk.

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There's different ways of doing things, but really we just were, after that ada accessible.

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Flat sidewalk situation in the neighborhoods, okay and it will there be additional opportunity.

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For individual owners to request- or you know uh be part of that process of deciding on whether.

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A particular area is going to be disturbed. The historical original brick will be disturbed or.

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Not I'm just asking for any way to participate. It is certainly going to be disturbing. There's.

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Really no way around it, um I'm sorry I apologize. I couldn't hear you sorry, it's the masks, but.

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You don't need to be disturbed lisa, there's, there's really no way around it. Oh they they.

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Have to be disturbed is what you're saying for every home or every home in the neighborhood. Yes,.

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Okay, the and they and the extent of disturbing it is just really the question.

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Like can we have someone put it back if it is and that sort of thing or not that's so what I said.

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Is possibly you could have someone put it back on your property or possibly in front of the sidewalk.

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And use as decorative instead of having grass, you know, we've done things like that.

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But the actual sidewalk situation needs to be the consistent, concrete, sidewalk.

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Oh, I see all right so what I'm? Okay, I'm feeling I'm hearing to be sure. I don't want to belabor.

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It too much, but so I understand you're saying that really all anything that's on this street is going.

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To be, the sidewalk is going to get ripped up and it's going to become concrete for all of you. Yes,.

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Oh dear, okay, all right thanks for clarifying and then uh right. Your second question: um we.

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Shouldn't be affecting the amount of parking, so there the parking supply is there today.

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It might be reconfigured slightly with some curve adjustments, but in general.

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uh You know they're we're not taking away parking on either side of the street, so it should be a.

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Certain amount of parking supply, typically during construction parking, is limited during the daytime.

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Lisa, so we typically ask residents to make sure they move the cars off the street by 7 a.m.

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And then, when the contractor is done, usually at 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

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They have the option to park back on the street overnight and then with their cars.

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In the morning, so that we can do our work, that we have to do.

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Okay and that's that's kind of standard for any construction area. I just want to make.

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Sure our tenants are prepared for whatever is coming and they're not getting hit blind hit.

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Blindsided by it, that's all so sounds like they can just move. Cars is needed. The street itself.

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Won't be the problem, it'll be the sidewalk and getting in and out of the front of the house.

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Correct yeah I mean this is a significant project so and especially where you're directly adjacent.

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To conference court there'll be some additional work going on because you're a corner, a lot yeah.

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So you should expect that there's going to be some inconveniences and they're going to be unavoidable,.

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But endeavor to work with the tenants work with the homeowners so that they're informed and they.

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Know what's going on and it usually smooths the waters pretty well now, and I appreciate that.

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We have some really nice tenants. I care about them, you know being able to have their lives relatively.

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Undisturbed to the extent possible- and uh you know as a landlord- I have responsibilities to them so.

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I just want to be sure that the area is going to be okay, it's going to be safe and.

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I'm 3000 miles away so um off of coffin's court. We have a tenant who, who is such an old historic.

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I keep using the word historic, probably misplaced, by mistake, but it's you know it's old and um her.

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Door is opens right up to the street and it's an alley. So I don't know if there's going to be.

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I just like to know if there's going to be any issue with that since you're speaking specifically.

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About the corner that I'm talking about, you know the area. Well, I'm sure um we do lisa. I own a house.

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Right around the corner, so, okay, yeah, you know at times during the day we're going to be installing.

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Utilities up conference court so at certain times, and it's not going to be the whole job.

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It's not going to be every day, but there's going to be a couple of days where there's going to be.

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Disruption to that door, but we will coordinate with the people that live there. Okay, so they.

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Know what's going on, they understand and you know we chat back and forth so that everybody's on the.

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Same page and things aren't unexpected, she's gonna know they work very uh linearly. So you know if.

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If, if they weren't up to her door yesterday, they're probably gonna be up to her door tomorrow,.

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You know that's just the way that the nature of the construction is.

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Yeah but she's working kind of business now.

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You know these projects, this neighborhood's never been reconstructed. The houses are from the 1850s.

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So you know most of these houses had you know when these pipes were installed there.

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Was no indoor plumbing yet so the pipes that were replacing were basically storm drains.

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Then they can convert it to use as indoor plumbing as well.

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So that's how old these pipes are so every 150 years or so we have to do one of these projects.

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Next year is your year.

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You got my attention when you mentioned the golden foot. I like the idea that the.

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You know sidewalks, and I mean I think work is pretty, but honestly safety-wise.

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It's much safer to have that concrete. Yes, um I heard the streets narrowing a little bit.

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That's gnarly in the wintertime, in fact peter price. I've taught you before. I was lobbying to.

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Get union one way, because if you go down our street right now after that big storm.

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Cars on either side, it's tough getting in down the driveway alone and like I'll make.

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Sure I'll zip around the block, so I don't have to go down the larger stretch of union.

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Any any thoughts of uh revisiting a one-way, so a couple of thoughts. um I won't tell you why.

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We do this, we do this yeah, so we recently have brought with you. So one of the things.

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That reducing the street web does is it slows the traffic down dramatically so, but we will.

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Take another look at that: we'll make sure that the width that fill is indicating here is is workable.

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With the snow banks so that everything kind of works, the slow banks are around usually what.

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So we try to make good decisions um on street with based on most of the conditions, understanding that.

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You know, january and february, sometimes a little tough but narrowing street like that does have.

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A significant slowdown effect on the traffic, so it's oftentimes worthwhile when phil's trying to.

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Trying to say the other thing, a little point is kind of subtle, so I'll say it again is when we.

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Pull the curves into the street, we have more room to grade the sidewalks, make everything nice and.

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Eva accessible and have everybody's driveway kind of flow down, the street on the street gets wide.

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Like that things, get kind of like steep and nasty and kind of like the way they are now.

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So, by moving the curves in it actually and there's a there's, certainly a lot of.

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Give and take right: we try to make really good decisions on these things and every street's a.

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Little different because because your street gets different traffic than chemistry does.

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And it gives different traffic than austin street, so every street's different and you have to treat.

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Every street as a different stream, we try to kind of get to face all these things and come up with a.

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Situation that everybody's going to love when it's done, because the traffic's going a little slower.

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Everything looks a little bit better because we didn't force it. I've offered out the slow.

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They're not enforcing, but we have a lot of rentals on our street. I mean we have a four-car ride.

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Result we're fine, but I mean I understand, there's a lot of cars in the street and that's why we need.

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To look at that and just make sure that that's one way, maybe parking on just one side of the street.

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Okay, one way it's something that could be considered would not necessarily.

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Be considered as part of this project. Okay, it's more of a question for parking traffic.

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So if that is something that you want to request, that gets into the queue get discussed well,.

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One little section of union is one way so, and it used to be two way back in the 80s.

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So we've got a number of questions from john raganese I'll. Have him ask them himself.

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Go ahead, john, can you hear me yeah? Okay, thank you. I was trying to do it. The most efficient.

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Way by just writing but um uh hi peter, thank you for sharing your screen with us. This is.

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uh uh Very uh uh welcome so we have the uh house, the blue house, on the other end of coffin's court,.

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The son of the coffin on the other end uh built our house, so edmond coffin house and a number.

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Of your pictures, at least at the beginning, at least in the presentation, showed our sidewalk.

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In the house and and some other uh trees and issues on cabot, but um I I I only saw.

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One uh sort of graphic that described you know the um the sections that are going to have re-plumbed.

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uh Sewer lines to the you know to the coffin support and everything, but but what I don't see.

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In that, drawing is any work being done on cabot, where those pictures are being depicted. So I'm.

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Wondering is there a different drawing? Is there a larger scope of work that is on cabot? That is not.

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Just tour line: I'm just trying to understand the context of those pictures yet of the sewer side.

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I mean the pictures were just uh representative pictures and may not be entirely site-specific.

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uh And you know we probably took those pictures before even starting.

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Any of the project and understanding what exactly the limits are going to be, which.

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Still to be exactly defined in uh on cabinets.

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Well, the reason why I'm asking I'm trying to get that sidewalk fixed because it's it's kv.

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Yeah, I understand so it it will depend on where we have to end up with the.

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Work that we need to do for the utility again, the utility work is the driver of the project and it's.

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Basically, where we need to do utility work, we will be replacing the limits of the street and then.

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Kind of wherever it makes sense beyond that, um but right now, as.

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Best we can tell these: are these are kind of the project limits so that it could be.

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uh Outside of what we're doing that sidewalk right there, so therefore, the water line, work.

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That is between austin and the end of that sort of extension off the middle that has already been.

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Done no, not necessarily, but it's not a combined drainage and sewer through there, which is, is the.

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Main objective so yeah, the combined sewers, are on union street and part of austin street okay. So.

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It's it's separated. Okay, all right! I understand so you can see from the graphic that's on the screen.

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Right now that they're proposing to replace the water line, I believe, through there yeah.

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Those sidewalks and trees and whatnot we're on camera. Okay will.

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It's possible, um but but at this point the primary scope is around the water flying footprint.

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um The other uh note I just want to make just in terms of a comment for your design. People said you.

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Go down coffin sport, our first ours is the first house with the little slanted driveway as you can.

H

See on this diagram and then you have a red barn behind it. That is depicted as a re-plumbed sewer.

H

Line service area, which um there's no habit that that darn is not have it, it's not a habitation.

H

You know there's nobody living in it and it's not even a separate lot. So is that just.

H

That just sort of like an overlay error that might be not necessarily meaning.

H

That it is going to be, I think that has to do with uh us needing to gain more information and.

A

The reason we're doing the basement surveys is so that we can iron out uh details like.

A

That, okay yeah, now that I I understood I mean I wondered: if that's what it was, I just you know.

H

The others had a lot number as well as shown, and that didn't I just wasn't sure what the.

H

What the rationale was and then I honestly I.

H

Can't quite see my other questions stephanie, so I'm trying to remember the last little lesson.

D

So zach, if you want to unshare I'll, get the chat back, oh yeah, so this was just more of a general.

H

Question because um you know that that conference court used to be a private um uh road way back.

H

When the lots were 50 feet wide, you cut off the cut. 12 feet was cut off so that you know in theory,.

H

That I mean that road is only 12 feet wide, there's a number of houses and one was described earlier.

H

With the doorway right on the uh grade of the road, um how how, generally speaking, are you thinking.

H

The design will will potentially be or are you are we not even in that phase yet, where there's.

H

A sense of what the will the elevation go up or go down, and how would you be protecting like.

H

Foundations that are literally, you know, were built and designed when the road.

H

Was right, yeah? No, that's a great question. It's certainly that's a really important concern.

B

Is the constructability and how we get utilities up conference court? uh You know constructing near.

B

Old foundations in portsmouth isn't something that's new and there's there's uh you know.

B

There's a lot of precautions you can take coffins court is particularly unique just because it is.

B

So narrow so right, there's there's going to be special requirements for that construction.

B

To get that done and we certainly haven't ironed all that out yet.

B

um It will be entirely ripped up, the pavement will be um and we'll look to replace it. uh You know to.

B

Improve it as best we can, when we put it back but it'll be repaved when all the utility work is done.

H

Okay, thank you just one, quick follow-up, because it's narrow and because they're old structures.

H

I'm not even convinced the fire truck can get down that alley, um partly because you know the.

H

Backhoe that comes through to plow it has hit. You know the secondary service wire a couple times by.

H

Is there any thought about the electrical uh utility that runs down that confidence.

H

Court as well in terms of making sure that everything's done, while you're in there and either.

H

Raise it or lower it or underground or whatever I don't know, um one of the things that we have to do.

F

As for constructability is oftentimes, once we figure out what we need to build, then we.

F

Figure out how we need to build it, so there are many projects that we have gone through.

F

And raised the wires we've gone through and jacked everything up. uh We did that.

F

On uh we had to do it on chapel street, uh we had to do it on. What's the street office.

F

Chief street, we had to lift the wires four feet to get the equipment in there. So this is something.

F

That we can do that. We've done before you know, and there are ways to to put the utilities in and.

F

There's ways to remove ledge hydraulically that doesn't involve pounding, so there's things that we.

F

Can do and we will get to that point uh before we hire a contractor to specify um you know certain.

F

Methods of construction to make sure that things don't get damaged and that we do things properly.

F

We've done things like this before. uh Luckily, you live in a city, it's difficult to construct.

F

And constructed we have these kind of problems all the time so yeah. No, I I.

H

Didn't mean to think that you weren't going to be prepared. I was more trying to prepare myself.

H

Thank you very much. This is very informative. Thank you.

D

So lisa had a follow-up question. Stephanie we got somebody else talking.

E

Okay, thank you uh just as a conclusion question, or I should say first comment I had to make was.

E

I I had the same issue as john did for a different issue: the plows going through. I had a tenant, let.

E

Me know that our stone in the back yard was just completely dislodged a kind of a sidewalk stone.

E

That allows them to get to their own entrance, so I don't know if, on a separate matter, the.

E

The department of public works can help us with something like that, because it completely. I.

E

Mean there's no way anybody could pick up that and it just completely dislodged the masonry.

E

Writing it down. Thank you I'll follow up offline, but I that that was an issue.

E

About the last early january storm and um then the other, the other uh question I had in summary.

E

Just so I have I, I prefer to um make sure my my tenants are well informed, and I know you guys are.

E

Doing a great job just so I'm clear on what I can tell them now, because I'm looking at your timeline.

E

And it says borings are starting in february generally, and all this stuff is just february.

E

So can I just tell them that we're on february 1st today um so can I just tell them that they.

E

Will expect to have interruptions, or is there a day that you know it's going to start no.

E

No earlier than um and between 7 a.m and 4 p.m, uh they could expect workers to be you.

E

Know, potentially blocking entrances and to tell us warnings are going to be very, very.

F

You know yeah, the boys are just two days of work out the street. They won't that won't impact that.

B

Won't affect them. Okay, the impacts will be when the real construction starts uh in 2023.

E

Okay, I'm missing the boat here. Sorry guys, I thought you were actually going to be blocking.

E

Sidewalks and ripping up the the brick in front of the house uh starting this month and I'm.

F

Misunderstanding, you, okay, so these projects take almost you know, as you can see a year to design.

F

They're very they're, very complicated right, okay, sorry I I just I misunderstood and thought it was.

E

Starting imminently, it's the borings that are starting one thing you could do to help us is.

F

To let the tenants know that we're going around with the basement surveys, those basement surveys.

F

Are- and I can tell you as a construction guy, the most important thing most important.

F

Evidence that we gather for the design um they drive the design and if we don't know if.

F

Things are in houses that we don't know about it. Oftentimes can be very expensive later on, for us.

F

So in the basement, surveys can't be emphasized enough how important they are.

F

We need to get into the basements. We need to know where the gas lines are, where the water lines.

F

Are what size the water lines are, what type of material they are where the sewer leaves the house.

F

What size the sewer is all this material. All these things are very, very, very important.

A

And lisa, I believe uh christine berger, has reached out to you on scheduling a time.

E

Yeah, thank you. I was gonna, say zach you um reached out to me earlier and I saw that.

E

Today, thank you so much because I didn't know this was happening tonight until you did so. I.

E

Didn't notice it so um well, we will give you guys any information. You need, I'm just I'm trying to.

E

Be thorough because I'm not physically there, I have family in town that can help. Let you guys in.

E

That sort of thing so we'll we'll work it out for sure I just want to make sure I.

E

Know what's going on because I can't believe you thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

A

Yes, is it as simple as we just need to understand what you have, how can it get more radical to.

I

The point of gene you can't have yourself pumped where it is now no he's going to tell you why you.

F

Where you can, I can't have a supplement. We want to want to know where your sump pump is in the house.

F

And here's why, later on, when we, when the design is done, we're actually constructing things.

F

Chances are you're going to have some kind of drainage connection for your house.

F

So if your sump pump's on the right-hand side of the house and the contractor puts.

F

On the left-hand side of the house, because he doesn't know where your supplement is then you're going to pump it all the way across the basement to put it in the right spot. But if.

F

You know where it is we'll put it in the right spot, for you, it'll be right out right outside.

F

So that's the you know, one of the reasons why we just need to. We just need to know we. You know.

F

We're very interested in getting all the symptoms that are connected to the sewers offline. That's.

F

You know very important things. You know because the groundwater, you know it does stop in july and.

F

August but a lot of times it goes for months and months and months and those are running all that.

F

Water is one of the sewer treatments went really for no reason. So you know, as residents we're all.

F

Paying for that, they paid for that 30 sewer fee, but but it doesn't get actually paid for because.

F

It's kind of like it doesn't get, it's not neither water, so we all pay extra because of those things.

F

So it's just kind of you know it's good housekeeping, we'll give you a drainage connection.

F

Outside so that you know water grease and you have no place to put it then, where it's supposed to go.

F

Awesome hi uh we're at 20 coffins so looks like we're at the beginning of your re-plumb. um So.

J

Obviously excited to have you guys come in and check out basement right now. It currently comes.

J

Down on the side closest to 30 straight down the front, building cuts its way down and then.

J

All the way out, the back, which you guys have sort of identified um when you guys redo that project.

J

How much of that expense maybe falls back on the homeowner versus what's covered by.

J

The city as part of the project just to get an idea of what impact we might see financially.

F

So, generally speaking, we have uh we have. We cover that.

F

You're not doing it, we are doing it so, but you'll have to we'll basically also have an agreement.

F

You sign it says you will allow us to own your house, we'll hire a licensed plumber.

F

To go through we'll take care of all the permits all that stuff and when we ride.

F

Into wherever it's gonna go great, so if we're changing something- and it's not your fault.

J

Yeah, just thinking about stuff we might have now that being said,.

F

If you have a uh you know a steel water line, that's about to go out of the ground.

F

That's your responsibility to change it up, but if we're two feet outside your foundation.

F

When it's happening, then you know you're looking at you know, maybe three or four hundred dollars.

F

To change out your one line where, if we weren't doing it, it might cost you seven thousand dollars.

F

Right so you know some of the clouds are on use. Most of it's gonna be on us sure.

F

We'll try to work with everybody as we go, so that they're really just everybody's really happy.

F

That's what we want yeah yeah! No, that sounds good. What do we need to potentially plan for.

J

um We've talked about coffins being narrow and you guys have talked about the certain days in scope.

J

Yeah not gonna, hold you to it when you guys have to tear up coffins. What does that look like? Is it.

J

And we appreciate that, and I'm not again not going to hold you to it- is that.

F

Last couple weeks, couple months, kind of thing: no, it's it's usually.

F

Two weeks, I'm going to tell you it's a month and a half right. Yes, it's going to be a nightmare.

C

I mean it's a tough, very narrow, difficult construction.

C

But dave's right, you know: we've done this before. We know how to work around buildings.

C

But it's still challenging okay yeah right under normal conditions. It's about 300 feet.

B

The sewer won't be that long. That would probably be right, but given that there are going to be.

B

Special and difficult construction conditions- it's it's hard to say until we know exactly.

B

What they're going to do, how long yeah someone's a little cool over under you know.

F

Two and then, when they're done doing, all the other utilities they'll come in they'll.

F

Pave everything at once, so it might be under construction for a couple months. The chances are.

I

You know we'll take that one.

J

Assuming there's going to be some sort of impact to that, hopefully what happens is.

J

We have thought that we were certainly waiting until this project sort of made its way through.

J

The neighborhood so just understand, you know again, as the project goes on just that'll, be.

J

One of those questions we just again just try to get clarity on so that we can plan for it.

F

So the way we write contracts is contractors responsible, so.

F

They're responsible to fix it, okay and.

F

You know we will work with the inspector to make sure you get extradited and all that sort of thing.

F

You know nowadays, you know these directors are very busy right. School yeah.

F

Yeah and again we appreciate it, so that's what we appreciate the complexity going on there.

J

I think you had mentioned that the parking lot union's certainly concerned. You guys said you're.

J

Going to look at that, uh the only other thing maybe there is at the base of union and coffin.

J

The telephone pole, that's there on the corner, um I don't know if there's a possibility to move.

J

That relocate that you know it's it's it makes getting in and out of that side. Certainly charges.

J

Right, obviously, it's there because the wires have to go up the screen, so it can only be in a certain.

F

Spot, but we can certainly look at it and make sure that if we do have to change the pull out, it's.

F

Certainly, no more readers and hopefully a little less okay, great awesome. Thank you.

G

My only concern at this time, listening to everything, is when you re-pave the road.

D

The grading, if you, if it's not graded correctly, we have like a little verb on the end of our drive as well as web.

F

Hopefully, when phil is done designing this project, you won't need little girls. Okay, that's our goal.

C

I think they did a good job.

F

Yeah, which, yes, so that's what you're saying as you see.

F

No, there are neighborhoods way worse way. Worse trust me.

G

G

Yeah we're going to look at all that stuff, so we're we're basically in what we call.

F

Engineering stuff right so we're going through we're figuring out all the basic.

F

Stuff, we'll figure out all the utility work limits of the project are going to be. One of the things we'll look at is the street cross section when we come back in.

F

April and may to have this second moment meeting we'll have a recommended option.

D

Yeah one more question: john, uh hang on a second I'll. Let you talk okay,.

H

Thank you, um uh quick question. We've had a real challenge, trying to track down uh our low.

H

Water pressure in our house on 74 cabin and our water line comes off of coffins.

H

And I believe, based on everything, we've seen it's probably an old pipe going out and with the water.

H

Line not being replaced on cabot would it be possible? I know not within your required scope.

H

Of work, but it wouldn't be possible for us to reroute our water service line out of our house.

H

With confidence court being torn up and connected to the new water line,.

F

On a coffin or cabin well, you're not ripping up cabin. Where does it go to now john? It goes out.

H

To coffin I'm sorry, it goes out yes old old pipe. Actually, it's the second old pipe. Is it steel or.

F

Copper, it looks to be steel, but I I don't know, that's your problem. Well, I know I I know I have.

H

A problem- I don't I don't know what the material is, um but but put a bank created on it. If it's.

F

Replacing everything in the house- and we still have- we still have low water pressure. So I'm.

H

Just guessing that could be it, so I'm what I'm trying to find out is. I know that your water.

H

Lines coming up to some extent of coffin's court- I don't know, is it going to connect to cabot or.

H

That sounds logical, so what I'm trying to get at it literally would be like four feet.

H

From my house, is it possible that I could meet you right now through the connection.

F

John we'll look at that when we're doing the engineering study we'll look at your water line.

F

I'll have a recommendation for you at the next meeting awesome. Thank you very much. Okay,.

I

As work is being done like right in front of our house yeah, is there a possibility, somebody's.

I

Going to say to us sorry, you can't get into your driveway. So again um what I said before is going.

F

To hold true, so we basically give the contractors carte blanche to work in the street from 7-4 four.

F

So, generally speaking, what homeowners do is at six thirty quarter, seven, they get the car out of the.

F

Driveway and then move it on to a side street out of the way. So, if you wanna leave, you can.

F

Now not every day, are they gonna be working right in front of your house right.

F

But every time you want to leave you'll be working right in front of your house.

F

But you know this is so this is you know all the linear stretch right.

F

Phil, this is like a thousand foot stretches, so what they have to do is they will grab a place on.

F

The industry we're going to replace the water line, a drainage line and a small line, so they have to.

F

Put these mains in first and then they're going to come back and dig in the same spot 15 times.

F

Because just the way that the nature of the utilities are, we have to keep the snowman's going.

F

To keep the water mains going, we have to keep the street drainage going everyone's going to be very.

F

Unhappy so that leads to this whole nature of things where we have to install the main we have.

F

To test it, we have, to, you know, change the watering we have to organize. It. Make sure that there's no.

F

Bacteria, then we come back and we re-dig and we cook everybody up. For that I mean we have to do.

F

The same thing with bacteria from the sewer line right, the superpower goes in first, because that's.

F

The deepest then we put the watermelon in we put the drain pipes in because that's kind of like.

F

A layer sewer water, drainage, gas and electricity. So that's the way things are layered on the road.

F

So we have to put these in a certain order and we have to make sure that everything's going.

F

And it's still going when we're done for the day we can't just leave and having to have no sewer.

F

Line so we just that's, why you get all these holes in the same spot over and over and over again.

F

Doing different things, but we're doing it especially on in neighborhoods like ours,.

F

Where the houses are so tight, it looks like they're, almost digging in the same spot, but.

F

They're really working on somebody else's house where yesterday they were working on the guy.

F

Next door, you know what I mean, so that's what you're going to see what you're going to see.

F

It'll be very interesting to you.

F

B

Good well, yeah. There's no other questions. I would encourage you once if it's not up.

B

Now again, I would look to uh sign up on the city's website. We have your emails now so.

B

We'll automatically add you there, but we will send out the next round of notices when we come back.

F

Thank you, and just so you know, I mean we start with an email chain right and we.

F

Get warning more emails and then, when we're in construction, we actually sent out an email blast.

F

Every week should try to tell you hey by the way. This is what we're doing.

F

And we'll send it to you through that email, so it just kind of helps us communicate.

F

Communication is key, do you want to take? I mean I'm happy to set up a time for the basement.

G

Check do you want to do that now or should I just call yeah, you should call just keep.

B

Yeah, christine berger uh holds the schedule right now and she's the one to reach out and continue.

C

Tomorrow, thank you awesome. Thank you.

C

C

C

Mean there's a lot of rock there's a lot of streets enforcement that could better things.

C

Like that, like no way would a fire truck get down their road, but our roads seriously. Sometimes the.

G

Way, they're parked it would be well, they were just plugged into the parks they pushed you aside.

D

There was a storm a few years back and then the school bus couldn't get up in the street.

D

That's probably the year that I I took photos and sent me 2015.. It's probably 15. yeah. We call that.

C

The swing again yeah that was a tough year, yeah yeah I did the same. I came down the conference.

J

Tour union had to make that turn and the only way that you can make the turn coming out of there is.

J

While the cars are parked appropriately, you can sort of wiggle your way out yeah. So it's not who.

J

Wants to be nice enough to let somebody require a little bit of exploring yeah. It's not necessarily.

J

Stepping you can probably wrap up this presentation.

J

It's just too tight, but.