City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Trees & Greenery Committee, 12 Oct 2022

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10.12.2022 Trees & Public Greenery Committee

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Mr chairman, before we get started, I'd like to introduce our new hours uh max whiter, waiter,.

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Waiter, waiter yeah later uh max comes from us. He said uh tons of experience, so we're really.

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Fortunate to have him on board um he's been working with us for three years now.

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Yeah he's been acting um when he chuck was away um so he's well versed with the role.

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So we're fortunate to have him be able to step up, and you know it's sad to have lost chart, but.

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We're very fortunate to have next morning, so she all welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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And with that I'll call, the october 12th meeting of the trees and greenery.

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Committee to water- and it occurred to me that back when before we were.

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um On video, or even before, we had a bad reporting, we all had name tags in front of.

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Us and uh which we abandoned over the years. I guess, but let me introduce the committee.

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Patricia bagley uh richard adams uh judge dennis soto joanna kelly. That's just met aj.

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Director of the university, so first we have the meeting the minutes from the september meeting.

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Behind move to the 70s a second any discussion.

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And um peter's already introduced max, and uh so we will go to the.

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I'd like to make a motion to bring item six, which is related to a number of trees in pennway manor.

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A sidewalk project uh forward, uh there's a second second, any discussion on it around okay. Now what I.

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That's all we do on this would be uh well listen up for discussion on the entire panel right here.

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um David deposis uh project manager and our research here as well, if you'd like.

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A brief presentation uh just to orient everybody. I think that would be helpful.

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But what I wanted to do is put them on a david knight presentation. Excuse me and.

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On this, the previous one through five, even though some of them are.

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Out there are not generally connected to the sidewalk right. That's correct!.

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Good morning, members of the committee, um the explosives from public works.

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Calories is here too, as we're working with another project.

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um Our belcher was performed concrete on state street, so originally this project was supposed.

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To be built at the same time, stay sweet they're, getting their sidewalks before today.

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um So here we are for project production at this point, so this project is funded.

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um Through the capital improvement plan, we have had three public meetings at this point.

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um Most projects, almost all projects, are not unanimous in public support.

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um This one that has the majority of public support.

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um We have like I said, we've gone to a third public meeting and um we have told the public at.

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That that we planned move forward and construct this project in the spring, we are here today.

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As you know, thinking we're all here for the prior presentation that we gave this spring.

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Where we have a plan to show 29 trees, we have over the course of the summer um isolated.

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A couple more trees that we decided we'll be going to absolutely everything done.

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So at this point, we're looking for a permission to remove.

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uh 25 police that are marked on the little plans. They are marked with an x and they are numbered.

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You will see that the road sidewalk is shown in blue on your plan. There's a future project to.

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Put sidewalks down to cater and mesa the location of that sidewalk is still to be.

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Determined, whether it's on one side of the road or the other so for purposes of phase two, um this.

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Is schematic just kind of this is where we're heading so we're here to talk about project one.

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As I uh I told you, we have walked this neighborhood multiple times at this point.

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um Any tree that absolutely can be removed or working around.

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Either, by going around it or trump getting width and sidewalk slightly.

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Or some other manner as to try to safety. Almost all these rules are because of root issues.

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um Where they just, we cannot build an aviation client sidewalk with trains in place.

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So with that being said, our plan is to uh upon receiving video we've done this project out to bed.

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Sometime in december, we'll do interior removals over the winter and the construction contract.

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Would included removing the subs and constructing the sidewalk actually, um along with that, we're.

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Trying to try to fund the replacement of pain at the same time, but we're still working friday.

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So that's the project in a nutshell and he's going to answer any questions you have.

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But essentially uh it's more of an all-in-one project so.

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Questions per day.

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We will be attempting to replant as many of them as possible. As you know, we have a beautiful number.

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Of trees coming up next year for the 400, so we have already wrote members of the public.

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That we've been taking many many trees in here, after we're done with the different trees that.

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um Will not have the issues of these trees have and requests.

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Yeah, um I guess my question is that, uh potentially speaking, you know, I see that these trees are the.

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Trees removed from the sidewalk, but I guess I'm looking like a whole picture of what's out there.

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um And it's always helpful for us. If we we don't mind removing disease and trees, that.

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Are on their way out, but you know, removing healthy trees in this community is something.

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That we don't particularly like to do so. I know some of these trees are diseased.

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And ever sources: it's done a nice job on promoting some of those trees, but.

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um Scott richardson, I'm the northern tree service on behalf of eversource eversource.

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Is planning on doing a substantial upgrade to poles and wires throughout that neighborhood.

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They're in the planning stages and budget funding for that project, they do not know.

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At this time, when that will take place, whether it be next year or the year after.

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But that is another project that is coming to that neighborhood.

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That answers your question. It's too prematurely to know how many trees are going to come in front.

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Of us to correct it would all depend on where they decide to put the polls of each raise. The.

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Polls, they keep them in the same height and what they're putting in for wire structure.

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Areas that are um it says right, but uh I can commit to public works, will try.

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To work with every source, we know their technicians well and if there are areas.

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That they sense to make wires across the street, because now the trees have been.

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Removed in order to stay on the trees, we will um certainly try to do our best.

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uh Dave, yes,.

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Given that the new sidewalks will be much wider than what they're currently and what's there.

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Currently is overriding the roots of many of those trees. I mean they've risen up and there.

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Was a sidewalk um if we're replanting, we have any idea um given the sidewalks will be lighter.

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How much possibility there is to replant there's still a very substantial grass strip out there, but.

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So the sidewalks are from the media around two and a half feet long in their own household.

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The restaurant that's out there, I think, is 185, so it'll still be six week, five, which.

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I think is still plenty wide enough to put in some trees. Okay, I didn't get that sense.

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The grassroots is in its in this. You know the speed is not.

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The street under school, but in general.

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Remaining. Thank you.

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Any other questions to get back to the whole zooming out and looking at the whole area.

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um Is there any sense? I don't know max if you're up to speed on on um what other trees are gonna.

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You know will be taken down even above ever source. I I think a lot of those trees were planted at the.

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Same time as we know, trees do come to the end of their lives, and it seems to me that a lot of these.

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Trees will are at the end of their lives or could be at the end of their lives in the next 10 years.

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So I'm sort of thinking that so we're you know you replace these trees uh with, of course, the.

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Smaller trees that uh the city uh can manage the sort of three and a half diameter is sort of what.

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The school way to be planted typically, what we're looking at is um so we're going to, at least in 23.

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323 we're going to be planting the berry trees in the caliber on that is usually somewhere between.

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One and a half and two inches not typically bigger, at least as far as I've seen purchase the.

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Potential inventory that they have awesome okay, um so I was just thinking in the next 10 years.

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You know what what can't what's going to be left behind? What's going now, how we can roll it over.

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This is a really good question and it it helps, but it's really out of.

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It's not pertinent to today's work. Okay, I think it's more of a question for maximus. We as we as a.

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Committee, look at what we're doing for plantings this year that we look at that. In that context,.

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And we bring that up. Okay, so I think really right now, the the project before us is specific to the.

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Sidewalk itself that will inform us what we want to do over the long movement with information from.

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From eversource that'll help us, but but working with mass working with you all, we can look at the.

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Types of trees and condition the trees, the ages and then look at you know some staggered plantings.

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um However, this is I just want to you know: we're not we're. Not dave's job was not to look at the.

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Whole context, but really just to get this sidewalk project, so I just mix correctly.

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So I would like to point out, though, because I did leave a lot of my initial presentation. Then.

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um The sidewalk is only going on on one side of the street. This trees on the other side of the.

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Street project it doesn't mean that every source won't take some of them down when they move their.

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Project but they're, not too many, but the sidewalk is only on one side and on the sidewalk side,.

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Only about half- and I don't have the exact figure titled you know about half of them- are.

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Being removed so the other side was the sidewalk side only about half the other side of the street.

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So you look at it that way only about a quarter, maybe a strong quarter of the trees.

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Any other questions for dave there you go, they pull up the pavement or.

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Whatever the second kids on the side of the trip, not really none, yes, yeah.

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How did the decision, how was the decision made us to excited to speak sideboard closing.

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um We actually did a survey, mr chairman decided what side of the.

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Street it'd be less impactful to the trees we started there.

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And the width doesn't say what what determines that um we need to build a sidewalk. That's ada.

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Compliant part of what adh says is that we have to maintain the sidewalks. So, even though we have a.

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Tiered maintenance plan, where we do the sidewalks that our most used first and on the sidewalks.

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To go to, schools are are right about there and then we kind of branch out inspired form so that.

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You know, eventually we get to all these sidewalks that will be different there, so we're writing that.

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So, in order to limit the amount of damage that we do with the presidential property.

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It's we have a standard of five and a half feet. Sidewalk tractors, just under five feet.

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Wide it's about 110. Last time I measured it so a five foot, six sidewalk, which is what you're.

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Getting here gives us a little bit of play about that much play, but the guys know, usually by the.

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Time, they're playing in the sandbox and they're a little tired, so it gives them a real chance to.

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Stay on the sidewalk and not rip up move from people's yards, so we don't have to go back in.

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The spring and do a bunch of repairs, so that's why we kind of standardized uh five foot, six.

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Whenever we can go, sometimes we get five foot three and point out so in some places here.

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We'll be narrowing the sidewalk up and providing a little bit of a pattern on the back side. So you.

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Go around with your tree that we're saving without damaging the tree, and I answer your question. Yes,.

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uh Any other questions, okay, why don't we open up the public hearing? Of course, thank you. Thank you.

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Houses we've had one without biological service on the side of my house, um they're responsible for.

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That these trees have been there since bush was built in 1940 by the defense corporate government.

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Those trees were planted there after that, which could have been a couple of years ago.

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But then like streets, maybe recently about 60 70 80 feet, you're quite large in my house or my house,.

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From grade, I gotta up in my front yard to go to about two and a half to three feet: kids,.

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Love it, they write it by soldiers. The problem is, it's your safety. We see people walking in.

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The street, because some of the portions are failing, you can't put a stroller down there.

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But we can't take him to the street because we don't want to get him to get hit. So I think this.

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Is a good project? I know there are people that are not far. um I don't want to take trees down.

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I just had a whim taken off my street. It was over 100 feet tall, but I didn't want to take the tree.

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So I tried to save the tree the front of my house, I'm gonna hate to lose the shade, but I think the.

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Streetscape skis there's quite a few variety of producing people looking at streetscape a lot.

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More, they may not provide safe shade for my house because I'm getting up there, but I can see them.

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Grow into their full length, but I think this is a good product. We have a lot of people that are in.

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The neighborhood that have been spending a lot of money on their houses. We have two places that have.

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Put a whole second story on the wind process. I think this goes along with the neighborhood.

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We're not looking for uh brick sidewalks, not that fancy a good cement. Sidewalk would do.

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I don't know what the decision is going to be, but I think it's a good.

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Viable project and it's it may enhance the neighborhood. Thank you very much.

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Hello, my name is geary. I live at 337 colonial drive in fort smith. I'm one.

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Of the people that's going to be affected by the tree removal, but I kind of just want to.

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Say what are we trying to solve by destroying these trees and adding this sidewalk right is.

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It speeding well, we've done a study right. The average speed is 18 miles an hour right to.

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um You know what what overarching problem are we trying to selling or are we doing something.

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Just to do something right: have there been any accidents right? Well right, they keep mentioning.

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The bicycles bicycles are not supposed to be ridden on sidewalks I mean there are skateboards.

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Right so you know what I'm thinking is that this is not a necessary project to do right.

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um For many other reasons, let me just kind of go here, so I what I really want to do is.

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You know talk about a case-by-case basis, so with manny he has a problem with history right. Can we.

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Do something on a case-by-case basis to say this tree is a problem it needs to be removed instead,.

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Of removing all these trees and putting what I feel and some other people feel is unnecessary.

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Right a lot of these people work for this project probably are not walkers, but the neighborhood or.

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Really use the sidewalk right, so I understand down the the notion that okay, I walk all the.

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Time, maybe it's dangerous or something like this, but a lot of people you know are not walkers in.

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The neighborhoods, therefore, probably or for sure, not use this sidewalk right and again, we've done.

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A study, this is a closed neighborhood. This is not islington street. It is not as through.

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Neighborhoods, we don't have problems with cars, you know being a danger. I feel people have walked.

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The streets for 40 years and I think they will continue. I think this will happen opposite of.

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That but you're going to get rid of all of these trees on one side, you're getting rid of all of the.

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Shades who here likes to walk in direct sunlight in the summer? Nobody people are just going to.

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Walk on the street like they've, always done on the other side of the street right, not using this. This.

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Heatsink, you know heat island of a sidewalk and it frankly does not fit the neighborhood. It's a.

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White five and a half foot 88 sidewalk- that is not necessary right and, as craig has spoken before, we.

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Are the only neighborhood that has a sideworm, thus the neighborhood next to us holly lane? Why don't.

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They have a side, one right, the neighborhood across from us. They don't have a sidewalk either. Why? Why.

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Aren't they trying to put sidewalks over there right, and I think that this money- and I understand.

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The the argument that you need to put money in our neighborhood- maybe our neighborhood, a little bit.

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um Forgotten or neglected or whatever, but we can use that six hundred thousand dollars for a bunch.

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Of other things, instead of ripping out all these trees, for what I feel is a very marginal benefit.

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Right, I think a lot of people are not going to use decide what once it's implemented again because of.

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This um the shade problem and again the kids on the bikes they're not supposed to be on bikes.

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Or not on supposed to be outside, watching either our skateboards right, and so this. This idea that.

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You know the kids are going to use this they're. You know, frankly, it's not supposed to be that.

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Way right and the kids ride the bikes through the streets. Just fine and again, you've done a.

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Study I mean the speeding problem is not there. I, I don't have any record of any accidents right so.

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This is just kind of my um my thought process um and, lastly, I'd like to say so: a lot of people are.

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Benefiting at the expense of other people might be right, so people across the street they are going.

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To gain yard they're going to take out this ugly, this ugly sidewalk they're, going to have a large.

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Beautiful locked door they're going to keep their trees and people like us, well we're losing a lot.

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Of things right and for me, I'm a single income person. I I I work from home. My wife doesn't work.

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I have a small child and I cannot afford to have my heating or cooling building so much from all.

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This direct sunlight, that's going to be beating on my house now right, so it's very easy to be.

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Generous with other people's money and say, oh yeah, just take them down by the bus are being.

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Affected negatively- and I feel that again, this whole project has a very marginal benefit for.

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A very large expense for a couple of people and if you have nothing to lose of course, you want.

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You know people to to upgrade into these types of things right, so um let me see my last point being.

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um So again, these same priestess and the bills are in perpetuity. We cannot go back right. This.

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Is a permanent project so again, if we do this and say oh well, maybe it wasn't a good idea.

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Well, we can never say I try to put the trees back right so again and again, my bullying bills are in.

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Perpetuity, so if I go 20 that's forever, if you take forever to grow, I might not.

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Even be alive to see the shade so again, thank you committee for uh recognizing. Thank you. Thank you.

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My name's uh craig simmons road, which is the galloway manor.

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I am totally against the new sidewalk. I just got to rep up the old ones and be done with it.

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My particular case, I have attorney number 10 and 11 in front of my house, but you're both going to.

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Be removed, which means you know in the summer will be direct sunlight, especially on my house as well.

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As my lawn well right now, but direct sunlight, the tree section long has shade for our spring.

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Turn to brown, I just feel it once those trees are gone. My whole front yard.

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As far as safety aspect of the sidewalks, I know anybody's look with what's the police department.

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As far as it have what they've had for accidents involving an experience and being motor vehicles,.

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Or bicycles and motivators, you know they looked and wanted. You know when parkers and I guess.

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They're talking about the whole thing over there about doing sidewalks, it was a 10-year look back.

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On there was no accidents with pedestrians and it's one accent with a bicycle because, as they.

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Usually do they drove through a stop sign into a car, so I think this is a situation where it.

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Get rid of the old sidewalks and I don't feel that no one's needed street's, fine.

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Slow traffic, as far as I'm concerned, the rest of the city there's other neighborhoods. They.

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Have no sidewalks, even though our mizzling tree isn't been straight in the uh essex ave.

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Area which is a lot of side streets, there's no sidewalks there at all and you go over the.

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And maple street in that area this they don't have sidewalks.

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Like I said, I'm against it, I'm a very good public speaker, but thank you.

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Yeah, I think we're going to focus on the on the sidewalk project.

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Yeah you'll have a moment to speak about the removal of the word activist. Thank you.

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So the 93 colonial drive I've been there for the last 45 years and this is probably the.

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First time I spoke in favor of anything, but I had strong support this project.

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Raised about bicycle types of dialogues, which is 100 correct about uh considering.

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Others, which slows others what other children, elderly people we have a great accommodation.

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Middle age, like men,.

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Young's children and I think those things need to be consumed.

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I don't have any record of accidents or anything like this to speak from.

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But I think it's going to happen. Some okay, like I said you know, we were the walkers.

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A couple weeks ago with an individual was worth water he's having trouble right in.

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Front of my house, I went out and talked to talk to women stood with them for a while. So you guys.

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But collected again and uh this only optional shipment to sitting in the street, you know.

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That isn't safe and um once again I am a very strong capabilities project.

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Petition I turned in had quite a few names.

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You know all residents of panels, yes,.

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Sidewalk it's the 45 years. I've been there. I really can't recall anything.

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So look at them today, foreign.

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If I think they did a good job of adjusting the program and saving the few trees, so I appreciate.

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That um so I had a few a couple questions one was: is there a possibility that, as they built.

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The sidewalk they will support trees that need to be taken, and what is the is their sort of a.

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Process to do that, or is that just happened um begins during closer construction. Let's say they.

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Started constructing and you know they realized that maybe mystery does need to become, though.

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But thank you so we've taken place uh comprehensible to these trees and we think.

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That we have 100 of what we're going to need to remove uh if, for some reason, something happens.

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Of a tree, uh we will definitely have to come back.

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um The exception of the trade is like leaning, because something.

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Happened and somebody falling then it's an emergency, but generally speaking about.

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That and my only other question is, uh I think in the other meeting and it's about.

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A little bit today, uh the possibility of having part of this project lead.

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To plant new trees- and you know, make sure that the canopy gets recovered.

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um Or you know, possibly even bigger than it is now at least not for the neighborhood.

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um Towards sort of the steps as president or assurances we can get, though, something like that.

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And that came up at the last meeting and it was a definition, definite assurances that.

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Trades would be replaced and that there is a program, and um david mentioned the strip.

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Between the sidewalk and the street fishing places to plant trees, um it's been a practice.

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Of the city of I don't know the last several years that if it's a place that or a tree is.

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Appropriate and there is not space between the sidewalk and the screen that the city will has.

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The ability and will plant trees on someone's lawn, uh if that's an appropriate, alternate.

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Mr chairman, this is a great time to take a plug for uh next year. We're going 400 trees on the 400.

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200 of those trees are going to be residents, um they can pick them up and tell them to plant them.

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Themselves, uh 200 will be city planted, trees and we're planning on restoring. You know the.

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Police that are removed as part of that 200 that we do, but there's an additional 200 uh that are.

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Going to be available for the day tradition, the forestry center was setting up a time uh in april.

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uh For the pcb pickup, we'll have a informational carve and how to plant properly a little bucket.

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Compost- and you know you can do that with your kids or earners or whatever, but that's we very.

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Much support uh continuing planting it and annually plant 100 freedom throughout the city.

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um And it's something that the city's been committed to. We've been a tree committee, a.

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Tree city for over 20 years- um and you know we are very much committed to maintaining trees.

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Concerns about canopy, um there is a. There is a period of time between when a tree is removed.

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And an increase planted that there is some loss in canopy. However, that comes back very quickly.

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Much quicker than people understand you know I had two trees, large trees removed in front of my house.

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And they are now, you know very large, you know they appeared from church reason. They provide shade and.

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That's been within 10 years, um so if they do come back relatively quick yeah. Thank you very much.

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I would like to add: this will give us an opportunity to diversify the.

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Trees in this community, it's I made a bet with tyler when we were outposting these.

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Removals mike, I bet you it's about 80 of the trees. You folks are linkedin and that's.

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um They're messy they're big they're nuisance in a lot of cases when they.

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Reach maturity, so this will, you know, we'll, be able to get way more variety, trees.

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Come on good morning, uh my name is aaron garganta.

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I live at 423 colonial drive. I grew up at 471 colonial drive.

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um So I've been around these trees for a long time. I think this project is a great compromise.

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uh Between doing dual sidewalks again, um I think you know removing them from one side of the street.

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um And still allowing the neighborhood to retain the benefit of having new sidewalks is important.

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um You know some people mentioned that a lot of neighborhoods don't have them. I feel that.

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We are fortunate to have them. We just don't, have a luxury of being able to use them safely.

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Because for decades, they've been unpassable to all, but people who are the most surprised.

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um You know safety is a concern. You know it is important to allow little kids the ability to.

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Try to learn them how to ride a bike or a tricycle or whatever little toy. They.

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Push up and down the road right now, because the sidewalk is not an alternative for them.

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I think we're building a project for the future for the next generation of the neighborhood.

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um The folks who built the neighborhood had the foresight to plant a lot of trees.

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um We're benefiting from them now, but all things do pass and when you have.

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An 80 year old women trees, they are incredibly messy, they are doing damage to the sewer systems.

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In the neighborhood and we're not going to solve all of those problems. But by removing.

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The number of trees that are proposed, which I don't think is significant- the grants came to.

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The whole neighborhood, I think, you're, going to improve some of those super issues for the.

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Neighbors, who are having them one of them, so my tree doesn't come down now as part of this.

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Project I'll be in front of you asking to take the tree down shortly, so I can replace my sewer line.

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The one of the things the questions I have is, I would like to have some say in the type of.

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Treat that goes back in front of my house. I don't know if we have the ability to select the treats.

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um You know I don't have any power lines I envision into being treated that could mature.

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To a piece of height in the future, not a power line friendly tree that will only grow 20 feet.

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So you know, if there's an opportunity for us to select when trees go back. I noticed some of the.

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Trees that are being planted now have a more shrub-like appearance, which I don't think is.

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Great enough informed, they, you know they're low, multi-style, multi-trump trees, that.

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Don't seem to have a street tree farm, so I think I'd like to be thoughtful.

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About what goes back, the other piece about the project is what people aren't.

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Really saying is we have the opportunity on the side of the road that is the sidewalks.

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Are getting removed? There are still a number of properties that do not have trees, so I'm sure, as.

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Part of this project, we could do some planning to add even more trees that are being taken out.

B

Through the process of this project, the city does own that strip of land. I know we typically say to.

B

Dangerous, if you want one, you have one, you don't want one we're not going to put one there, but.

B

There are a number of properties that don't get trees on that sort of city homescreen, so.

B

I think the net game could be that we're going to replace more than 25 26 trees objects, so just want.

B

To come and say I am in support of it, I will not miss my sap dropping beef, dropping branch.

B

Dropping limited too much, it does not provide shade on my house in the summertime, because.

B

The sun is so high in the sky that it pretty much just shades. My sidewalk at this point.

B

D

I have one question for everyone. That's okay. I know I spoke already.

B

Is there a possibility that you buried the power lines instead of bring them replace all these.

B

Bowls, because um I mean is that a possibility that would help and then constantly remove the freeze.

B

Right so with bearing them, because I know a lot of other neighborhoods that buried tower lines and.

B

Since we're renewing the power lines, how much of a possibility is it to bury them instead of redoing.

B

The holes and running into this problem invitation a lot of your new developments now they're.

B

Requiring the lines to be very aesthetically for that and that's a very easy process when they're.

B

Building a new development, if you think about the power lines that run through your neighborhood, the.

B

Above ground, I now have to run them underground. Basically, in that same spot everywhere, they're.

B

Above ground and not take a trench, but I dig that trench every tree, that's near that power line will.

B

Die so he's moving a couple here and there to replace some hold of a much better situation.

B

Than losing every tree starting over yeah, I can add to that to the the episode will not.

A

Pay for it, it'll be at the expense of the city and to bury utilities just millions of dollars.

A

um And you know it's a reasonable request. I mean many people have asked that throughout the city.

A

um And when we have opportunities to leverage ever source's work to get it very, we do that.

B

um However, we found that the expense associated with this very, very significant. Thank you.

B

Is there anybody else would like to speak.

B

um Thank you all very much so um welcome back to the committee.

B

Okay, I'd like to ask: what is the expected function that's coming in today, if this project has already.

B

Been approved but if we'd like it or not, it seems to me the more successful aren't almost.

B

Primarily, advisory is to kind of available.

B

Continuing that being what what city agency improvements and what's the status of that.

A

I can speak another process this. This was a capital improvements request.

A

um Made 10 years ago, probably david, um it's been on the list of sidewalk replacement projects.

A

um For a number of years and there's been a number of people advocating um and asking why it's not.

A

Been done yet so the city council approved funding of this project. There is no body uh like planning.

A

Board or something like that that weighs in on it it's part of a normal operations. It's.

A

Part of what our job is, this department of public works to maintain infrastructure. uh If, if clients.

A

Are provided, uh funds are provided and we are expected to do this um based on a job. I can't.

A

Speak to the you know whether this committee could attractively veto that um or not. um I would I.

A

Would point to the survey that was done uh showing the overwhelming support uh in the neighborhood.

A

um For this project um that we've looked at alternatives, I think it's a reasonable approach.

A

And you know short of getting into a philosophical debate about our role. I would suggest.

A

um I'll make a motion uh that we accept the recommendations to the department uh to move.

A

Forward with this project to remove these trees and then replant um with the input.

A

Of the committee, uh as well as some residents about um species and location uh moving forward.

B

And I would say dick that I've always been trying to be careful.

B

That our emotions are to recommend removal. um As a committee, we don't have the authority to acquiring.

B

Movements we're recommending two public works. um I think that's how many uh started years ago, as.

B

A as a um so there's a public forum to discuss these issues- and I I don't know, uh I think you.

B

You raised a good point, but practically speaking, I don't think you could come in or make sense to.

B

um Have a public and this committee to be the first job on a process? uh Well, we might want.

B

To put sidewalks and cannaway manor or maple haven or anywhere else and go to the committee.

B

Decide to pass the plural of this committee of recommendations of this community when.

B

Project may never get funded, may never get billed, and I think it's I understand what.

B

You're saying, but I think that this is the is the from logical time after it's been engineered and.

B

Abundant and they go through it, but I and I I it's it's- I think a difficult position for.

B

Us to be in- and I have reservations about um getting this far and that and that the.

B

Whether this community would help you without this committee, steps in and say no, you can't do it. City.

B

Council is appropriated me money and it's been determined over a period of years and different.

B

um Forums that this is an appropriate activity, so it didn't really satisfy your question.

B

Answers pretty much, I think, that's it, but the question: what are we supposed to do at this point.

B

You know quite a few months ago we had a discussion about the.

B

Feasibility and wisdom projects.

B

Maybe it's fine at the moments, but it seems to me that was the time for us to have any influence that, as I said, I think the horses.

B

As we as I recall from that last meeting, we stopped the process. We went back the concern.

A

Was that it wasn't clear to the residents what trees were going to be impacting the extent of the.

A

Trees that were impacted so at the committee's request we went back and we developed a more.

A

Detailed presentation relative to the trees those trees were presented and um subsequent involvement.

A

Of the residents reinforce the desire for the project and we reaffirmed that the trees that.

A

We were removed were clearly communicated to the uh the public, the committee, as I see it, has the.

A

Ability to heighten awareness of protection of the trees advocate for the trees and make sure.

A

That staff isn't just arbitrarily um removing trees, for example, that section of south street.

A

Where we just removed sidewalk, we were three ventura trees there. As an engineer civil engineer,.

A

I want a nice straight sidewalk. I want dual sidewalks on a roadway. I would have just torn.

A

Those trees out not really but as a traditional civil engineer, that's what I would have done.

A

um Then put a big drain pipe down the center, but you know we we took. We bought that project to the.

A

Committee, the committee reaffirmed the importance of the streets there and that it outweighed the.

A

Importance of having an additional sidewalk, and so we worked to make sure we had alternatives to.

A

Get people across the street to the sidewalk, and that was because of the input of this committee.

A

And the continued support of what we do from a urban uh tree management approach. um You know.

A

It's it's really, it's it's as you all can attest our our sophistication as an organization has.

A

um You know maturely matured significantly, how we address trees, how we manage our urban trees. So I.

A

I guess you know this is a good topic and if we need further um influence in the legal department.

A

About you know what, by you know, authorization or ordinance on the authorities of the tree committee.

A

um I would you know more support of that, but at this point I feel like the the process has been.

A

One of advisory process has really been a good process um and it helps continue to reinforce.

A

My staff, the importance of managing the trees in a responsible manner, so I guess I'm not you.

A

Know we could hear that even but I guess your question was you know what what role do you have.

A

In this I would, I would say at this point: it's just an affirmation that you know what has been.

A

Presented and that it's something that yes, we would regret using mature trees, but at the same.

A

Time we have a process in place, it was followed um and it wasn't done arbitrarily here. Anybody else.

C

Good well, I I've, given this a lot of thought, this process. This um project has really pain-free. It's.

C

A lot of big trees and I really value sure, large, treats and after going out and walking and talking.

C

With neighbors um pan away, I didn't realize that you know it is not a thoroughfare um and that the.

C

Traffic and safety committee did not really work, but it's not warrant sidewalks out there and.

C

I I just sort of so I I did look at look at the whole process and I think.

C

That what is going on with the trees out there is that they are mitigating.

C

Your you know the water, air quality, a cooling, your homes, all the things.

C

That trees are supposed to do are really working out there. For you.

C

45 mps- um I also looked in there's something you it's very unique out there, which you haven't.

C

um It's a really feeling welcoming you have small homes that really uh come together with.

C

Community, I I was so impressed by what you had about there and I think the trees do.

C

Have a lot of context so really increase the mental health of living. The other pan.

C

Away, I think the city's done a terrific job uh they've been very mindful very thoughtful, very.

C

um Really they did a real, deep dive into what's going on out there. um I did hear and hang on to.

C

Your planting for the future, like they did so many years ago. I really love the idea of.

C

um That we can replant with diversity, I think that's really important or educated, about.

C

That and they were 70 years ago and I think the commitment to from the city to residents of family.

C

To replace as many trees as possible and that you will have choices to choose from.

C

um I that that is true. I think uh that chuck has been amazingly uh supported.

C

With that uh and people, I know I've spoken to many people that really do appreciate.

C

Of that choice, so I just had to I I've, given this a lot of thought- and I appreciate everybody.

C

Weighing in the time that I've spent, um so I just have to say that thank you.

B

I I would point out that um probably less charitable people might.

B

Characterize most of the people on this committee is, I think, someone weird um all of us all of us.

B

Are supporting english whenever we improve the removal of a degree? I mean that's. That is weird.

B

And um but um uh I don't think this is or treat especially a healthy tree if we've approved it all.

B

At all, it's been with great reluctance, and um so these this is a presents, a more difficult question.

B

I think when I weigh everything, I think that um I support removing a reluctantly support.

B

Removal, but I think it's the appropriate thing. uh I think we had the way benefit of sidewalks.

B

Against imposters removing the trees, the social causes aesthetic for us, and um so I think it's.

B

About to make a motion to take more, we have emotions.

B

In my opinion would be fully funded project my mind, a worthy project.

B

Based on safety and with the citizens, support of deliverance petition, this project.

B

Thank you anybody else. I will call someone wow in favor of emotions.

B

Yeah, okay, thank you very much.

B

Yeah I'll go back to the first part of the enchantment local clubs, because.

B

B

Yeah so just like the majority of trees out in an away, it is right away in front of 23.

D

Whistle court uh received a call from the homeowner. um I believe it was at home. Yes,.

D

um uh Just declaring it a nuisance for the property, I told him that typically.

D

What we do is we've groom and try and remedy, and these issues that they see.

D

With the tree, and typically that's what we end up doing if removal is not an option, so it was.

D

That homeowner's opinion to still encourage the removal of the tree so opposed to this.

D

And here we are talking about it, but the tree in general looks relatively healthy. um I you know I.

D

See major issues that you're here any obviously it is heaving. The sidewalk, of course, but aside.

D

From sudden that, I think it is a healthy tree and uh you know more than having to go and improve it.

B

C

Yes, I agree as well, except for the sidewalk being raised by cutting the treatments.

B

I mean that's the worst sidewalk list of any tree that I think I've ever seen, particularly.

D

Yeah I mean it's right, I guess I you know, I have no opinion on it's not even showing up as an.

D

Improvement project on this map, so um I don't know if that stands or means that maybe the sidewalk.

D

Gets removed in the future or whatever the case is I'm not here to wait on that particular foot.

D

um Yeah for for all kinds of purpose in the tree is totally happy right where it's at.

D

I personally intend on seeing it so you can stay okay,.

D

Quick question so even uh with phase two local court is not included in.

C

Phase two correct, which indicates the sidewalk would be removed.

B

From that section, all the asphalts being removed all over the all over pan away, yeah and the.

A

Sections that don't have new sidewalks- yes, oh okay, so the football court george's terrace.

D

A lot of the other smaller sort of just circles: branching off of off of decatur and o'neill.

B

Thank you good clarification.

B

We have a motion to not recommend ocean not to recommend moving this healthy through a second hi.

B

1137 12th street.

B

Anybody here on 1137 south street.

D

Yeah, so this is a another homeowner request: it is a pin oak. That is pretty much exactly.

D

Between two driveways, uh the issue the homeowner sees with the tree is that it is a line of sight.

D

Issue, it is a it's essentially crowding the two driveways which again, I said you have no problem.

D

Looking pruning and discriminating that um yeah healthy pin oak tree, it looks totally fine. It's.

D

Not mature, but it's definitely a very well established, treat and it's very happy.

C

Max what are the trees that are big crowd? I'm sorry! What trees are, what type of trees.

C

There's another so I've been, um there is a tree, a private tree nearby right and I'm not. I I didn't.

D

D

We can train for that as well. I mean it's. um There certainly is a like a healthy limit for.

D

What we take group trees, obviously, but in in these two cases um or the for growing into.

D

Sort of their property and and being a nuisance to other trees. I think it's um a viable option.

D

uh It is near our lines too, so that might present an issue, but that's long even after I.

D

Retired, I think that'll be a major issue for the infrastructure, but otherwise yeah yeah.

B

um When I drove by to look okay, difficult because of the traffic on south street and.

C

I really don't want to be backing out of that driveway and then have anything in my line of.

C

Sight so I thought that was the main issue yeah, so I mean it is a lot so what they.

D

What the homeowner initially called about was a minus site issue, but I saw that tree set so.

D

Far back that I I and I don't live there and I don't you know, I'm not the neighbor.

D

That also asked the people of this, so I understand that it may present that issue.

D

um Looking at it from the street and sort of when I walked along the sidewalk to sort of.

D

And obviously run out of the tree, I did think it was set far enough back to that, as it is right now.

D

um In 10 years, maybe the tree has gotten dirtier and now it's a much greater issue. Yeah.

D

um For now I I don't necessarily see it as that and if the, if the homeowner from 1 3 11 37, is.

D

Here, to argue that um I would have been open to here that have been running okay. Thank you.

B

But it's probably about because I was three years.

D

I don't know if we're moving the tree will alleviate that, because.

D

It's also right before abandoned, and I mean if cars went, the appropriate.

D

Speed for the area, then it might be a little bit. Yes, yes, so uh I don't.

D

Yeah I anyway, it is a challenging street, but I don't know if we're moving mystery.

D

I'll make a motion, but I just wanted to add when it comes to um removing oak trees, I I do.

C

Especially struggle with oak trees, because I think both trees are are messy for owners and I think.

C

There's a tendency to want to get rid of folks, but um I've been educating myself about oaks in a book.

C

That I'm referring to the nature of it's my dad talamy, it's all about oaks and one of the things.

C

He talks about is that uh the amazing service that an old tree has for wildlife and dennis.

C

Can certainly attest to this entomologist himself uh there's a web. He talks about. Unfortunately, the.

C

Diverse web of life that is associated with folks feels unnoticed, and it was unappreciated by most.

C

Homeowners and even many trained um biologists and they choose to cut them down. But there's an.

C

Impressive lifespan and a single tree will drop three million acorns and served as a lifeline.

C

For countless creatures, including dozens of birds, rodents bears raccoons all types, and so.

C

I just have to throw that out as my life against those trees.

A

I moved to to pruning to the tree and monitor.

B

Reads: 37 thornton street.

B

Trees instances my driveway now in the sidewalk that has to be a department's treaty.

B

It's just something like that: the branches are falling on almost.

B

B

D

The objective was to get branches out of the house, raise up the street in sidewalk corridors, so.

D

um With the tree that age, it will look pretty silly and kind of top heavy after or something.

D

Like that, but like another pinoc, I believe uh so the most have a tendency to grow downward.

D

um Well, bloom is attached and then it sort of grows a little bit downward so to properly.

D

Raise it, it would be lifted quite a bit just a little um insight into why it's the ugliest tree.

D

Enforcement, but um I uh I also think it's still a healthy treat, despite some branches coming out.

D

um They will die back. Twigs uh intermittent branches will just start diving if we have to.

D

Go out and prune it again and hopefully remove any hazards that still remain.

D

um I can't speak to the long-term effects of the roots and uh the condition of the your driveway.

D

Or your vehicles would um I didn't notice any in uh in comparison to the pan away matter. Sidewalks.

D

um I did not notice an extreme deformation of the sidewalk there. The city has already come on.

D

Yeah, it's crowding mine. These are the most beautiful tree brisbane.

B

um Yeah but it is.

C

um Let me ask you so when I looked at that tree, um it seems like that it's kind of from the street.

C

Level, it seems a little built up and there seems to be exposed roots. There looked kind of weird.

C

You know like that it looks like the tree out of poltergeist, so I'm wondering if that tree.

C

Goes what will happen to all of that kind of soil and space and what will all happen there.

D

um So after so, let's just uh imagine that we do remove this tree, we will go in and stuff grind the.

D

Roots out- and you think that's pretty much showing that great and then get the majority of that.

D

Clustered out about the ground, um those roots are also holding that slope together. So right, if we.

D

Stump grinds, you know, it'll be all loosened up. We don't really do at least in the immediacy of the.

D

Stunt grinding, we level it off with the grindings and having to go on our way and uh later down.

D

Below the line, it'll potentially get it seated, but that's assuming that no other trees connected.

D

There, which would likely be the case just because it's sitting right away and ultimately something.

D

Else would likely go in that spot. So uh yeah I mean that yeah. So it's it will have many different.

D

um Over the course of of the project, it would have many different um against compositions. I.

D

Guess of that soil, if that makes sense, so does it hold up sidewalk? Does that impact.

C

The sidewalk, what's the sky, um I mean, I guess, the only way that we would know that is if there were.

D

I mean we would we're not going to go in there and grind out roots or anything like that, but assuming.

D

There might be some substantial roots in there that eventually decompose it. Could um you know I.

D

Caused some structural integrity issues with the sidewalks yeah. It's like the appalachian trail.

A

You know there's somebody on zoom that would like to weigh in.

A

Natalie hi, I apologize. I wanted to speak about the one before um uh on south street, so if you.

E

Want to finish this conversation, I I've been on zoom since, like five minutes after eight and.

E

I'm not sure, but uh if you want to finish this conversation and come back to the south street, one.

E

um I would like to uh weigh in on that please, okay, we'll think it finish. This then.

B

Okay, so we've prepared a different um questions.

B

In my short time on this community, I think thornton street has probably suffered or.

B

Endured the most dramatic landscape change of any street, we never see us.

B

Trees when I was walking down yeah.

B

uh Yeah, it was going to be these things.

B

I'm sorry if, typically, this is not an interaction um thing. There's a public hearing that residents.

A

Come up to speak to the topic and then sit down, it's not interactive! If the committee.

A

Decides that they would like to allow continued questions and input, we should just acknowledge.

A

That and have that person come forward to the speakers or the microphone so that it can get.

A

Recorded properly so I understand the process, but I just want to make sure we all are clear.

A

That, if people are it's not an interactive process without the committee information.

B

um So um I guess the question is: do you remember.

B

I have a lower standard, I didn't see it. That was a good looking experience.

B

um We have a motion to recommend to move on all right.

B

Yes, discussion, um if I could do a friendly amendment to have.

A

Max go out and review additional pruning. We could find necessary.

A

um I'll have our sidewalk staff take a look at the condition of the sidewalk just to see if there's.

B

Any additional repairs necessary to maybe add what you and did on the last one good morning. Yes,.

B

So all in favor of the motion, as many of michael and amended say, hi problem.

B

Thanks for coming, yeah.

B

Natalie come back to you.

E

Hi, thank you. um So I I don't know if you can go back since you already voted on it, but some.

E

Points that were brought up um about the tree on south street, so I live next door to madeleine. I.

E

Live at 1121 south street, so we do share that tree and a couple of the points that that were brought.

E

Up were the safety and visibility issues um when we are pulling out of our driveway, we cannot see.

E

Anyone walking on the sidewalk um or driving it is a very um safety concern. We do have two small.

E

Children as well so when we're pulling out, we cannot see anyone going um from the north and.

E

Madeline has uh difficulty seeing people coming from the south, so I did that was brought up by.

E

One of the community members and I did want to emphasize how challenging it is, especially when.

E

School is in session and there are numerous cars and walkers going back and forth. So that is a.

E

Concern of ours with the tree, and that was one of the reasons, the main reasons that we wanted.

E

That to be removed, so I did want to make sure that the committee was aware of those sentiments.

B

So, mr chairman, I would request that the folks originally making the motion.

A

In a second reconsider- um and I would ask that those folks to do that.

A

um And I know they choose not to then it's a dead issue. Well, I think out of courtesy to natalie.

B

um That we, since she was waiting to speak, that we.

B

um We voted, I, I appreciate the information, it changed my mind, but I I.

B

Want to let her know that.

B

It took a little bit.

D

Our adjacent maple tree in the adjacent arbors, you know it's your line of saint fusion,.

D

Coming in essentially from the south side of this gut here, I don't want to see it.

B

On screen too, and then that becomes a privately owned, the assumptions of security, private dealers.

B

D

Well, the vehicle's gonna say so it is possible that it's also a city tree.

E

It is a city tree. um We looked at the property line. I can't I couldn't hear.

E

Exactly if, if you were asking, if that tree, is the assumption that it's a private tree.

E

um Or if you're talking about a different tree, I apologize. I couldn't hear very clearly sorry.

D

It was the adjacent you know the adjacent tree and then the adjacent arbor down the road at.

D

The white fence I see, thank you, I'm trying to get there. Sorry.

A

This one right here yeah so we're creating questions. Yes, so I'm sorry did we vote to.

A

Reopen them the post, personal emotions, maybe emotions did they agree to openness.

C

A

So personally I I you know from a safety standpoint.

A

I am very sympathetic to what uh the property owner's saying.

A

um It's a difficult road to back into um and um I it is very difficult people. You know, unfortunately,.

A

Speed along that section of roadway, there are a lot of pedestrians um and for those reasons I am.

A

Comfortable removing that trait, but I understand the committee's position- is maybe different.

B

um Do those hedges belong to the problem? I'm not sure where the property line is.

A

Next, to you recalls it's yeah. It's set back enough that that tree is.

D

Certainly, on city property, I do not have the exact figure yeah oftentimes.

A

Property owners will take catches out um when they, when they stick a copy. I had hedges on the corner.

A

Of stuff in the castle, it's very difficult for people to see. I took them offices, it was dangerous.

A

um That was a personal choice of a city could have taken around because they're on city property.

C

I hadn't realized that there were school children who actually walk them. I mean.

C

I hadn't thought about pedestrians. I was more yeah if you go there in the morning.

A

It's a heavily traffic there. That's the high school crossing right, yes, high school projects.

C

um For me as much as I would save every tree, I possibly could I don't think.

C

Children safety should come second to them, so I would go to remove it.

D

In light of sort of new looking at this, but the sun pause for a month.

B

Sure- and I just looked at it from a tree, help perspective and you know: there's no.

D

Lower limbs in the trees, 12 plus inches wide. You know, I think, that somebody's sitting in.

A

That car they didn't measure, didn't sit in the car and they didn't look at. You know.

A

The committee is willing to reconsider. I will have your traffic engineer. Do some.

A

Sight, distance measurements uh put a camera out there and we'll do a brief analysis to see.

A

um If, from a traffic safety standpoint.

C

I think that's a really wonderful point natalie. I know that my children walk back and forth that.

C

Space a lot, so I think we do that, especially as kids who come into school. What we do is we have.

A

Traffic cameras, so we can leave out for days on a time and right. You can monitor the behavior of.

A

Traffic and hopefully we can capture the residents coming in and out of the area.

A

um Get a feel for for that safety and you'll come back, get recommendation. You will come back with a.

B

Recommendation, thank you so that was peter's motion and seconded by dennis uh all in favor.

C

Okay, thank you natalie. Thank you. Thank you very much. I apologize for the delay in seeing you there.

A

um It's okay: there were bigger, bigger fish to fry today, but I appreciate you making the.

E

Time to circle back, so thank you very much so does that take us to 618 columbia, drive.

D

Yes, yes, so, uh as the note says this, I I guess the there was a so when I went to post this tree.

D

There were nails in the tree suggesting that it was posted for removal two years ago. I am.

D

Not certain of the uh what came of that community or how it was weighed, um so I.

D

Posted it for the homeowner at the homeowner's requested. Here we are so uh another linkedin.

D

um It is a previous uh utility line clearance room, so it's very one-sided uh leading toward the home.

D

And there are some basal wounds that obviously can suggest certain things are occurring down.

D

There, but I'm not sure the tree looks overall, pretty rigorous despite being one-sided. um No.

D

Yeah, that's that's about it as far as I'm concerned.

B

It's the same one. They have the video.

B

Sorry was there was there another question there wasn't for me. Specifically it kind of split.

D

At a crack right.

D

Yeah, I think that's the that was the basil. It is obviously ceiling, but I.

D

I wasn't, I didn't, have the historical uh context for that site, so I saw it.

D

um Two weeks ago, so again, I wasn't very aware of what a 13 years prior.

C

I would make a motion to remove there's no more discussion I'll second, that.

B

When I get the schedule.

B

It takes us to 67 kilometers.

C

C

Second, yes,.

B

Yes, during this meeting.

B

But some of the questions that were raised earlier.

B

Because because the trees needs to come down, no question about that, our.

B

Only question is how's: it going to look at it. You know, I'm sorry.

B

Yeah then you got the four questions that I do. I'm steve there's no way jody 449. It's a.

B

Beautiful one ash, which is disease yeah, I got a question yeah our only question. It's like a.

B

Three foot diameter and do we have a say in the trees that could be painted in its place.

D

um Like a couple of boxes, yeah, so uh historically, what check back to the former uh city arborist has.

D

Done is that we purchase treats for our plantings or spring plantings and based on what was.

D

Available and what we have we did recommendations, or do you have a preference um generally speaking.

D

We try and honor those requests, so we'll know more accurately what we have after we purchase.

D

The trees and uh yeah it's usually if a homeowner, shows any interest in any specific tree. We try.

D

We drop and go back and forth, but generally can I get. This train is south street.

B

D

I'm putting together a very rough order.

D

The thing I remember about tree growth is that the larger trees, when they're transplanted don't.

A

Respond as quickly as the smaller ones, we found historically that the smaller caliber trees grow.

A

Faster and that they establish and catch up at a larger tree and then thrive even better.

A

Okay, you saw your experiences yeah we've gotten away from the larger diameter trees.

C

So what are people saying that are the defense security societies, yeah.

D

um We haven't done any inspections on it yet, but the signs indicate that it is temporal dashboards.

D

There are multiple estuaries across the city that have a very it's a very distinct crown.

D

um A lot of them are already putting out a lot of suckers around auxiliary branches, that um that is.

D

Showing that the dreams understand in stress um that is so, I I wanted to post this tree just to.

D

Have that conversation that there are trees across the city there, also um ailing from this they're.

D

Not quite as this was a very extreme case where it was very, it was a significant dive back, but.

D

You can probably speak to that because you know you've seen the tree for years, but um it's yeah.

D

With this, somehow it's done or just how does is what has it the others doesn't.

C

Take just get attached, I know, but it does it just this tree, but not this ash tree yeah.

D

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but they they can travel. What like about a half a mile away.

D

A year even greater, if the missions are right so really um it'll have there'll, be multiple.

D

Generations of bab in that tree and then eventually that tree, uh then they they will.

D

Just spread from there so, as I said, we have seen it in other trees across the city. uh It.

D

Is something that we are taking on a three-bedroom basis, countries we're waiting to see if treatment.

D

In the spring is a good option, or if the tree has already picked up the eav uh by then it's.

D

Going as fast as traced out for three years, yeah, I'm just.

B

Concerned, neighbors houses, people are trees, the removal, the removal in the planting, so the removal uh as long as it's approved, and it will.

D

Happen in a relative near future, it just depends on when it gets scheduled uh and then anything.

D

um The the next planting we're doing is in spring 21st so april, but next year. Thank you.

C

Because there's a huge conflict yeah, so when we do stump grinding, we try and get as many.

D

Of those service level groups as possible uh in the grinding, it's obviously underneath the.

D

Sidewalk or something where we don't really touch it, but we will do the best that we can.

B

um Okay, uh stephen charlie, thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

B

No, it's going to be emotion now by michael. He was recommend removal, um okay, I'll, go back to the.

B

So this was a request that I had noticed uh well a tree. Excuse me that I had noticed while.

D

Posting the trees for removal for the pan away sidewalk project. um It wasn't quite dead when I.

D

Who's looking at it, so uh uh it has died back. It's just a very thin slipping tree.

D

um So essentially, it was just something I noticed, and I think it was a is the.

D

Path of the stream moving forward, I have a motion, but I guess taken up by dennis. I.

C

um In the sake of the time and this grueling that we've had, would it be possible to table.

C

Seven and nine the city's request, because, quite frankly, I couldn't find what they were passing.

C

For so I can explain the two cherry trees down on it's down near the bus waiting area so on the.

A

Hanover side, there are two characters that are shaded um and we've been working. The garage is.

A

Currently under construction- uh and you really, the trees will help removing the trees will make it.

A

um Easier to do the work, however, you know mass can speak to it better than I, but it's.

A

My understanding that those feasts have been there a very long time and have not thrived.

A

um And it's probably not a good location for that type of that species, but it's the site. So uh it's.

D

Yeah, it's just not a good site. They've they've put two trees in what I could have seen as just.

D

A one tree site, but it's a very small area right next to a building the soil, looks very important.

D

For this tree species, and um so initially just to kind of bring it back a little bit further about.

D

The projects, the initial idea was to remove every tree along the hanover garage and uh essentially.

D

What we're going to do is we're going to go in and prune so that there's a corridor for all these.

D

Machines to get in network and can go smoothly, but these two trees, yeah they've they're kind of in a.

D

Rough way, not a great location, and it would be very disruptive to many other city services if.

B

The trees were not that these two trees, so we haven't looked into that effect, come on.

B

um I I apologize mr chair. I have a staff issue that I have to attend to.

A

um Maxwell take over the helm over here. The community campus.

B

D

So this project uh there is a um an access room that we're trying to put in and I'll put this.

D

Really but there's an access road to put in on the back of a playground. There are a couple of.

D

Different projects, including two removals of hemlock, that aren't failing uh variously.

D

Canopy but there's also a kind, is completely dead. The idea is we're going to remove these smaller.

D

Trees- it's in it's essentially in the forest in the woods and what we're really doing is.

D

It's enough space to have a vehicle go in and maintain that playground it needs. It needs its.

D

Own maintenance, and not very well aware of, but in doing that it gives us an opportunity to remove.

D

This very hazardous bond that is completely dead and then also removing these two other.

D

M1, which are failing and full lightly in the relative literature as well. So I'm sorry if.

E

That's uh we're pushing the envelope for time, but that's uh I just want to give that context. Okay,.

C

um Sorry, okay take your time, so I I saw the hemlock and.

C

So that, but um there were three beaches that were had red ribbon around them. Yes and.

C

um The yolks, I'm not quite sure that I saw them. Oh yes, I did so. um My question is the three beaches.

C

Have to go just to make a road wide enough, so you can access it. There is a path there now! Yes, yes, so.

D

um So, at the corner of the playground, it's a fence essentially that access road will be the.

D

Fence will be cut, the gate will be installed. So it's um it's up that sort of little hill, where.

D

You saw the flagging in the in the removal notices. Essentially that's going to give us.

D

A quarter wide enough for a vehicle to go in and do whatever maintenance is required at the.

D

Playground just because it's something the city hasn't uh been maintaining uh if we've just.

D

It is something now that the city has to maintain, so for us to do that effectively. There needs there.

D

Was no planning in place uh previous to our meeting here to maintain that playground? This.

D

Road will allow us to bring it up to our safety standards. When we were there posting there were.

D

Children already playing, and yes it is, I view at least that time in the evening you see that.

D

Is going to get removed, it would be much easier to do and safer to do. If we can just spell it.

D

After those trees have been removed and before that access road- and I call it an access road.

D

But it's all it is, is going to be graded, it's going to be just the soil uh and it's so we just.

D

It's essentially we're just making a tiny little corridor. Those rocks there's a little rock wall.

D

That will also be removed, and that's it's really just to facilitate that. Okay, I also think I saw.

D

So uh so, uh oh uh not that we're not interested right, oh okay, yeah, so that it were they inside.

D

The playground, I'm sorry if this is, if they weren't in the playground. uh That is something.

D

That we're not currently looking at that is that entire campus is something it's going to.

D

Be a project for a very long time for our department. Just because there has been no.

D

Care given to all of those students, it was close right yeah, so primarily what we're so.

D

We post we posted this right away, just because we wanted to get its approval so that project.

D

Can go forward very quickly, essentially, thank you. Do we have a motion to recommend removal.

B

C

Wait a minute: what happens to this is.

C

C

All in favor, okay,.

B

So we all we put anything else off until the next meeting.

C

Absolutely just wanted to welcome max and yeah. Thank you very much.

B

Thing in the foreign.

D

Because all of us are so busy on our day that we don't need to add that to it.

B

This will be a saturday type event at my place, availability.

B