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Regular City Council Meeting 03-04-2020
A
C
D
E
E
Good
morning
today
is
March
the
4th
Wednesday
March,
the
4th
welcome
to
the
Punta
Gorda
City
Council
meeting
and
to
all
those
you
may
be
watching
and
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
City
Council
members
and
city
officials
are
present.
We
will
begin
by
standing
for
the
invocation,
followed
by
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
F
F
Father
we
pray
for
the
researchers,
you
give
them
the
wisdom
to
deal
with
this
effectively
father
as
we
go
through
our
daily
lives.
I
pray
that
we
remember
moment
by
moment
that
you
are
with
us.
You
do
not
forget
the
many
blood
and
we
do
not
forget
the
many
blessings
you
afford
to
watch
each
day,
father
we
pray
for
the
City
Council
and
all
the
city
workers
for
the
decision
that
will
be
made
here
today.
Father.
We
ask
that
you
bless
each
family
that
is
represented
here
today
and
all
God's
people
said.
E
G
Many
awards
include
Legion
of
Merit
medals
for
meritorious
service
medals,
Navy
achievement
medals
and
the
military
outstanding
volunteer
service
medal,
and
she
has
provided
over
30
years
of
emergency
medical
service
to
the
fleet,
the
Marine
Corps
and
the
local
community.
Now,
therefore,
the
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
March
6
2020
as
Rear
Admiral,
Pamela
C,
Miller,
day
past
and
duly
adopted
in
regular
session.
A
E
H
E
Whereas
since
its
creation,
the
United
States
Navy,
has
played
a
vital
role
in
the
defense
of
America
and
whereas
the
United
States
Navy
band
represents
the
Navy
and
fosters
the
preservation
of
music
by
performing
at
government
and
military
functions,
as
well
as
for
the
enjoyment
of
the
citizens
of
this
nation
and
whereas
the
United
States
Navy
band
from
Washington
DC
is
performing
in
concert
at
the
Charlotte
Harbor
event
in
conference
center
on
March,
the
8th
2020
at
2:00
p.m.
now.
E
Therefore,
the
City
Council,
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
Sunday
March
8th
2020
as
a
United
States
Navy
Band
day
throughout
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
and
urges
all
citizens
to
attend
this
performance
by
this
outstanding
organization
past
and
duly
adopted
in
regular
session.
This
fourth
day
of
March
2020
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
Nancy,
sighs,
Nancy,
prof
key
mayor
and
accepting
is
Tony
Pimentel.
President
I
hope
I
said
that
correctly
come
and
tell
ok
a
president
of
the
Military
Officers
Association
of
America.
I
Behalf
of
the
Charlotte
Harbor
chapter,
the
Military
Officers
Association
of
America-
and
we
are
the
prime
sponsor
of
military
bands
in
this
area.
For
the
past
few
years,
we've
got
one
of
our
members
who's
connected.
He
knows
how
to
do
it,
we're
sold
out
by
full
house.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
we
will
present
this
to
the
Navy
bandleader
on
Sunday
awesome.
E
A
J
Whereas
during
this
week,
government
finance
professionals
throughout
the
state
of
Florida
will
be
acknowledged
for
their
hard
work,
dedication
and
leadership.
Now,
therefore,
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
March
16th
through
20th
2020
as
government
finance
professionals
week,
and
extend
our
appreciation
to
all
government
finance
professionals
throughout
the
state
and
here
in
Punta
Gorda
for
their
hard
work,
dedication
and
leadership
past
and
duly
adopted
in
regular
session.
This
fourth
day
of
March
2020
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Nancy,
prof,
key
mayor
and
Simone,
will
be.
K
Just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
recognizing
our
finance
professionals,
this
whole
staff
up
here.
They
provide
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
dedication
to
the
city
in
providing
accurate,
timely
reporting
collections
of
revenues
on
our
accounts.
Payables
payroll
debt
management,
investment
management.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
years
of
service
up
here
and
we
appreciate
all
the
work
that
they
do
for
us.
Thank
you.
E
B
L
Good
morning
everybody
chief
Pam
Davis
with
the
Punta
Gorda
Police
Department
I,
want
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
about
Audrey.
She
previously
worked
as
a
police
dispatcher
in
Andover
Massachusetts
from
86
to
2005.
She
was
hired
with
us
March
7th
2005.
It
became
a
communications
training
officer,
then
the
lead
trainer
and
then
she
was
promoted
to
our
communications
supervisor,
October
12th
2015
she's
responsible
for
supervising,
10,
Public,
Safety
dispatchers.
That's
the
most
direct
reports
of
anybody
in
our
department,
so
I
don't
know
how
you're
doing
it
are
you
doing
a
great
job.
L
She
handles
our
monthly
call
reviews,
monthly
reports,
component
evaluations,
our
Emergency
Operations,
Center,
activations
overtime,
payroll
records,
everything,
I,
I,
can't
say
enough
about.
You.
She's
also
received
several
awards:
exceptional
team
performance,
exceptional
duty,
Employee
of
the
Year
in
2012,
employee
of
the
quarter
and
numerous
letters
of
appreciation,
and
in
2018
she
got
the
first-ever
Chiefs
award
for
job
excellence,
you're
the
glue
that
holds
that
that
communications
center
together
and-
and
we
couldn't
do
what
we
do
without
you
and
thank
you
for
your
service
to.
A
L
So
I'm
a
little
worried
about
talking
about
Carol,
because
I'm
afraid
Howard's
gonna
get
rid
of
me
and
put
Carol
as
a
chief
at
all.
She
was
hired
as
a
dispatcher
March
3rd
1990
transferred
to
records
for
a
brief
time,
came
back
to
communications
and
then
finally
settled
in
our
records
department
2004.
She
does
she's
our
major
role
for
our
Uniform
Crime
reporting,
so
she's,
the
one
that
does
it
every
day,
she's
getting
our
crime
stats,
putting
everything
together
and
we
have
to
report
twice
a
year.
L
So
so,
when
they're
up
that's
her
fault,
she
she
does
everything
she
serves
as
our
back.
She
did
serve
as
our
backup
evidence
coordinator.
So
when
Sam
was
out
she's
the
one
in
there
taking
in
all
the
evidence,
first
line
of
contact
for
our
volunteers
in
our
records
section
processes,
all
these
records
requests
for
internal
and
external
customers
and
serves
as
a
member
of
a
departments,
operational
proficiency,
team
and
I
think
you've
trained
three
records
clerks
just
in
the
last
two
years,
getting
everybody
together.
L
So
she
has
a
lot
of
awards
recognized
for
participation
in
numerous
department
activities.
Numerous
letters
of
appreciation,
honorable
service
award
in
2000,
employee
of
the
quarter
in
1999
2001,
2003,
2006
and
2016
civilian
employee
of
the
year
1999
2001
2008
2015
and
2018
team
performance
award,
2008
and
2010
special
recognition
award
twice
in
2004
once
in
2019
and
the
extraordinary
surface
war
2004
in
2013
see
what
I
mean
she
she's
fantastic
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say
about
you:
Carol,
because
you
you're
a
pleasure
to
work
with
and
and
thank
you
I
hope.
L
Is
he
here
there?
Yes,
so
we
every
year
we
have
our
annual
awards
and
we
had
our
annual
awards
last
Friday
and
for
the
so
you
have
a
different
award
special
recognition
and
exceptional
duty
and
it
works
all
the
way
up
to
civilian
of
the
year
volunteer
the
year
and
an
officer
of
the
year,
and
for
the
first
time
ever
we
had
a
reserve
officer,
earn
Officer
of
the
Year,
and
this
is
Larry.
Schrader
he's
one
of
our
detectives.
So
basically
he
volunteers,
his
time.
L
E
And
you
also
recognized
a
volunteer
who
spends
considerable
amount
of
time
on
in
that
department?
Yes,
so
the
volunteers
we
have
are
amazing.
Yes,
and
if
you
look
on
the
agenda,
there
was
another
officer,
a
recognition
or
Police
Department
recognition,
but
that
we
kind
of
discovered
that
it
was
not
the
right
time
so.
B
B
B
He
heads
up
our
public
works
folks
and,
if
you've
seen
what
we've
done
after
Hurricane
Charley
and
recently
after
Hurricane
Emma
he's
the
guy
that
leads
the
show
with
all
of
his
staff
and
our
cleanup
and
our
seawall
work
after
Hurricane
Emory
Irma
was
nothing
but
phenomenal.
So
Rick
will
probably
say
a
few
words
and
we've
got.
B
B
A
M
Well
sincerely,
it
has
been
just
an
honor
and
a
pleasure
hometown
boy,
a
dream
for
me
to
work
in
the
community
that
I
was
born
in
and
live
in,
and
I
couldn't
think
of
a
better
place
to
be
who
know.
19
years
old,
I
started,
I
I
needed
a
job,
cuz
Joanie
and
I
were
getting
married,
so
it
turned
into
my
dream
job
who
knew
who
know
so
I
can't
think
of
anything
better.
It's
a
blessing,
a
true
blessing
to
me
and
my
family.
Thank
you
to
my
family.
M
M
E
Always
enjoy
when
we
have
lots
in
the
rises
and-
and
someone
is
really
kind
of
they're
kind
of
they
want
to
see
a
problem
solved
really
quickly
and
they're.
You
know
kind
of
trying
to
insist
something
happen
really
fast
and
Rick
is
so
calm
about
things
and
he's
just
you
know,
it'll
be
alright,
you
know
he's
gonna,
we
will
take
care
of
it,
we've
done
it
for
years
and
we
know
how
to
do
this
and
it
will
get
resolved.
So
he's
got
a
very
calming
influence
on
all
of
us.
So
it's
great.
E
We
have
one
more
presentation,
and
that
is
to
council
member
johnmiller
who
completed
what
is
called
emo.
The
Institute
for
elected
officials,
elected
munitia,
municipal
officials,
and
this
is
something
that
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
puts
on,
so
that
it
helps
us
learn
how
to
be
better.
Council
members
and
we've
all
been
been
there
and
John
completed
his
first
class
and
John.
If
you'd
like
to
accept
your
certificate.
E
E
Okay,
before
we
do
the
board
and
committee
member
nominees
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
are
going
to
make
an
adjustment
to
our
scud
to
our
agenda,
and
that
is,
we
will
go
through
the
CRA
agenda.
It's
not
going
to
take
very
long
as
well
as
our
public
hearing,
which
will
go
very
quickly
in
the
consent
agenda.
E
So
when
we
get
to
the
regular
agenda,
we're
going
to
move
a
couple
of
items
up
in
the
list,
we
are
going
to
move
the
event
permit
for
the
wings
over
Charlotte
Harbor
up
to
the
first
and
then
second,
we
will
discuss
these
signs
in
their
right
of
way
because
we
have
people
here
that
are
working
and
they
would
really
like
to
get
back
to
their
offices.
So
well
we'll
do
that
out
of
respect
for
them.
E
Those
are
the
three
items
on
the
agenda,
so
if
anyone
has
any
comments
about
those,
please
come
to
the
podium
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
seeing
then
then,
we'll
move
into
our
agenda
and
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
minutes
for
the
regular
meeting
in
February.
The
fifth
motion.
E
G
J
B
B
B
The
pop-out
vessel
had
a
very
active
February
if
you
take
a
look
at
gallons,
pumped
and
number
of
pump
outs
and
we
had
an
increase
of
the
non
Florida
vessels
which
is
predicted
this
time
of
the
year,
especially
this
year.
It
seems
like
they're
all
down
here:
Carol
Court
Plaza,
that's
where
we're
gonna
be
replacing
the
fountain,
so
whoops
the
base
has
been
removed
and
the
installation
is
going
to
be
happening
soon,
as
well
as
the
security
camera.
B
The
bid
opening
for
the
harbor
walked
area
to
just
a
harbor
walk
portion
is
today
right,
yeah,
it's
today
this
afternoon,
so
we'll
probably
have
that
bid
on
a
April
agenda
for
you,
I,
don't
know
who
make
the
second
meeting
in
March
but
we'll
see,
and
then
construction
will
follow
thereafter.
This
is
just
for
the
harbor
walk
portion
only
to
connect
from
the
gazebo
all
the
way
through
the
bayfront
Boat
Club
area.
B
This
project
Veterans
Park
phase
two-
is
pretty
much
done,
except
for
a
very
important
piece
and
that's
the
railing,
the
handrails
around
the
gazebo
yeah.
We
have
to
get
those
up
and
so
they're
being
coated,
and
they
should.
If
we
need
to
we'll,
go
pick
them
up
or
the
contractor
will
go
pick
them
up
cuz.
We
need
to
give
them
up
installed
before
the
event,
but
there
the
project
is
essentially
done,
except
for
that.
O
B
G
P
E
D
Q
E
So
jaha
is,
it
looks
like
the
designee
and
it
would
really
be
nice
if
you
could
report
back
without
question,
because
yeah
I
think
that
was
something
that
Jane
did
dutifully,
but
I
don't
remember,
no
getting
any
feedback.
So
if
you
could
report
back
to
us
on
items
that
get
discussed
or
that
would
really
be
helpful,
wonderful,
wonderful,
okay!
R
E
E
R
E
So
while
Howard
is
on
its
way
back
here
here,
he
is,
we
will
convene
as
the
City
Council
and
we
have
no
public
hearings.
We
don't
have
any
quasi
judicial
public
hearings,
but
we
do
have
a
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
and
we
will
take
citizens
comments
on
the
organs.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
it
first
and
then
we'll
take
citizens
comment
sure.
So.
C
This
is
SB
0
1
1
9,
which
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
that
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida,
naming
the
unnamed
50-foot
right-of-way
lying
in
Section
7,
Township,
41
south
range
23,
east
Charlotte,
County
Florida,
as
recorded
in
plat
book
3,
page
38,
when
the
public
records
of
Charlotte
County
Florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
Exhibit
A
attached
hereto
as
Desmond
Layne
and
providing
first
an
effective
date.
If.
E
E
E
G
E
Been
a
motion
as
and
a
second
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
All
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Okay.
Now
we
will
move
into
the
regular
agenda
and
we
will
go
to
the
first,
the
event
permit
for
the
wings
over
Charlotte,
Harbor,
October
23rd,
fourth
and
fifth-
and
we
will
begin
by
taking
citizens
comments
on
this
item
only
so
if
anyone
has
any
comments
on
this
item,
only
please
come
to
the
podium,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
N
Gordon
so
for
25
years
in
the
Air
Force,
both
as
a
pilot
and
as
an
air
traffic
controller,
I've
worked,
a
number
of
air
shows.
I've
been
the
chief
air
traffic
control
for
Thunderbirds
demonstrations.
I've
been
a
pilot
participating
in
air,
shows,
I,
participated
and
helped
plan.
Air
shows
both
in
the
United,
States
and
overseas.
Air
shows
are
wonderful,
I
enjoy
them,
but
every
airshow
I've
ever
been
involved
with,
has
involved
an
awful
lot
of
prior
planning.
N
Usually
you
start
planning
the
airshow
immediately
after
the
one
you've
just
had
so
you
spend
about
a
year
getting
ready
for
it.
It
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
effort
to
carefully
plan
and
mitigate
all
the
possibilities
at
an
airshow.
So
just
looking
at
this
one
I
record,
my
major
concern
is
for
air
safety
and
then
particularly
in
terms
of
fire
and
crash
response,
every
Air,
Show
or
aerial
demonstration,
whether
it's
been
on
an
airport
or
a
dirt
strip
somewhere
or
something
like
that
has
involved.
N
The
immediate
access
of
fire
crashed
rescue
equipment
to
the
scene
of
a
potential
accident
and,
unfortunately,
you
know
most
air
shows
go
off
without
a
hitch,
but
every
year
we
manage
to
have
a
few
accidents
and
kill
a
few
people
at
air
shows,
and
what
you
have
to
have
is
the
ability
to
respond
in
an
unrestricted
manner
by
qualified
and
trained
aircraft
and
rescue
personnel
and
I.
Just
wonder
about
the
ability
in
what
would
be
a
very
congested
area
of
downtown
waterfront,
Punta
Gorda,
the
bridge
or
anything
like
that.
N
I
also
wonder
about
the
possibility
or
what
we
have
in
the
terms
of
maritime
response
for
crash
and
rescue,
knowing
the
the
capabilities,
both
the
Punta
Gorda
Police
Department,
the
Charlotte
County
Sheriff's,
Department
and
Coast
Guard
to
be
able
to
answer
such
things.
It's
not
the
the
idea.
It's
the
what
happens
when
something
goes
wrong
and
how
do
you
respond
to
it?
N
And
can
you
get
the
people
you
need
to
an
accident
scene
in
a
timely
manner
without
having
to
work
their
way
through
a
lot
of
people
like
I
said
even
when
I've
done
these
things
on
dirt
strips
we've?
Had
fire
crash
ambulance
vehicles
available
that
have
unrestricted
access
to
the
area
in
the
event
of
an
accident,
and
my
major
concern
for
this
one
is:
can
we
effectively
control
what
would
be
the
show
area
from
the
show
line
up
and
down?
Essentially
the
channel
Harbor
to
either
side?
N
You
know
the
nearest
emergency
Airport
is
going
to
be
Charlotte
Hart,
our
Punta
Gorda,
so
that
any
aircraft
that
has
an
emergency
is
going
to
have
to
divert
quickly
over
a
populated
area.
So
I
just
like
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
safety
and
fire
crash
rescue
is
adequately
addressed
in
this
consideration.
Thank
you.
Thank.
S
I'm
Dana
Karim,
the
chairman
of
the
Florida
International,
Airshow
and
I,
have
with
me
Stan's
message
the
president
of
Florida
International
Airshow,
and
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
to
move
the
airshow
which
is
now
on
this
39th
year.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
forethought
involved
in
this
too
over
Charlotte
Harbor,
and
the
reason
is
is
that
the
next
two
years
PGD
is
undergoing
extensive
runway
reconstruction
and
lengthening,
and
all
these
great
things
happening
out
there.
S
Unfortunately,
we
just
can't
host
the
airshow
at
the
airport,
the
next
two
years,
so
we
possibility
of
wings
over
Charlotte
Harbor
that
we're
presenting
to
you
today.
We've
worked
with
the
city
and
the
county
police
and
Sheriff's
Department
Fire
Rescue.
To
address
these
concerns
of
the
perspective
of
the
previous
speaker
and
while
that's
fresh
on
my
mind,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
plan
is
to
have
fire
rescue
boats
at
each
point
of
the
airshow.
The
Sheriff's
Department
could
provide
us
three
boats
with
ten
divers.
S
And,
of
course,
the
city
has,
there
are
good
resources
that
will
also
take
care
of
that.
We've
also
talked
to
the
Sheriff's
Department.
They
will
have
a
patrol
car
at
the
approach,
end
of
the
southbound
bridge
to
slow
traffic
down
and
bicycle
sheriff's
deputies
back
and
forth
on
a
bicycle
lane
of
the
bridge
to
keep
the
pedestrians
on
the
right
side
of
that
that
area
on
the
bridge.
The
cool
thing
is
this
show
will
be
accessible
to
anyone
with
an
eye
sight
of
the
of
the
harbor.
S
S
O
T
Smith
the
florida
international
air
show
the
Coast
Guard
is
also
going
to
be
involved.
We're
talking
with
them
right
now,
they'll
be
putting
out
a
notice
to
Mariners
for
that
area,
we're
talking
to
them
about
bringing
a
Coast
Guard
Cutter,
possibly
up
in
that
area,
or
something
just
a
little
bit
smaller
than
that,
possibly
with
a
helicopter
on
the
back
of
it.
T
They
may
even
be
willing
to
do
a
as
part
of
the
air
show,
a
demonstration
for
the
boaters
on
what
an
actual
water
rescue
is,
so
that
there's
a
lot
of
good
items
there,
but
we'll
also
have
those
people
that
have
the
capability
out
at
the
water
fast
on
rescuing
any
performer
or
any
potential.
If
there's
an
accident
within
the
boating
area,.
G
Because
right
now,
there's
twenty-one
boats
out
there
anchored
in
that
space
who
are
some
summer.
Liveaboards
some
are
here
for
the
winter,
so
they
will
be
working
on
communications
with
those
boaters
to
make
sure
that
they
know
if
they
choose
to
leave
their
boat
in
that
space.
While
the
airshow
is
going
on.
They
cannot
be
on
those
boats
for
security
reasons,
but
they
otherwise
will
have
to
move
the
boat
out
of
that
boxed
area
during
the
show
for
both
days
and
also
I
spoke
with
Dana.
G
Before
the
meeting
someone
asked
me
yesterday,
if
there
was
any
way
we
could
limit
the
height
of
the
boats
that
are
adjacent
to
the
Gilchrist
Park
shoreline
because
of
visibility
for
anything
that
may
be
going
on
on
or
near
the
waterline.
But
when
we
talked
this
morning,
he's
assured
me
that
99%
of,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
going
to
be
aerial,
so
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
an
issue,
and
last
but
not
least,
something
that
did
come
up
when
we
met
with
the
boaters
Alliance.
G
One
of
the
board
members
is
also
the
vice
Commodore
of
the
Punta
Gorda
Boat
Club,
and
originally
they
had
planned
to
do
an
Oktoberfest
at
the
Boat
Club
that
weekend
and
when
they
found
out
about
the
airshow
that
day,
he
said
well
we're
definitely
not
going
to
be
doing
our
professed.
However,
we
will
want
to
do
some
kind
of
an
event
that
coordinates
with
the
air
show.
G
S
This
is
gonna,
be
a
community-wide
event.
We
have
reached
out
to
Fisherman's
Village
military
heritage
museum,
we're
working
with
the
historical
homeowners
association
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
positive
impact
to
the
city
and
the
people
that
live
here
and
bring
these
resources
in
their
show
use
this
23
different
non-for-profit
organizations
that
come
in
and
actually
help
us
make
the
Air
Show
work.
S
V
S
After
that
time,
they're
going
to
dispersed
throughout
the
city
over
fisherman's
village
and
have
lunch
downtown
with
all
the
good
restaurants
downtown
they're
going
to
move
around,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
all
flows
properly.
Looking
at
the
traffic
situation,
we
with
Charlotte
County
transit
to
the
spectators
in
from
as
far
as
way
is
Charlotte
high,
if
necessary,
so
we'll
Park
them,
either
at
Charlotte
higher
at
the
Regional
Park,
that's
right
by
Charlotte,
high
school
and
bus.
The
spectators
in
we
also
have
requested.
S
E
S
I
think
the
answer
setup
will
be
the
ease
of
parking
so
rather
than
just
driving
up
and
down
Marian
Avenue
respond.
Also,
it
was
suggested
by
the
historical
homes
owners
to
reach
out
to
the
area
churches
on
Saturday
and
have
them
utilize
their
parking
and
maybe
as
a
fundraising
for
their
churches
talking
to
them
as
well.
That's.
E
S
O
O
T
It
down
into
the
area
we
can
make
it
part
of
the
Lashley
Park
after
event
or
down,
where
that
into
the
Gilcrest
Park
area,
for
people
to
take
a
look
at.
It
slows
down
to
dispersal
of
the
spectators
to
ease
the
congestion
in
people
wanting
to
all
leave
at
the
very
last
minute,
which
is
similar
to
what
happens
at
the
fourth
of
July,
where
fireworks
are
over.
Everybody
wants
to
leave
yeah.
O
T
S
Team's
angels
are
the
ninety
percent
of
reason:
spectators
go
to
an
airshow.
You
don't
have
relations
for
the
next
two
years,
so
I
forecast
less
of
the
crowd
that
we
enjoyed
last
year
at
the
airshow.
Last
year's
airshow
was
overwhelming
success
in
many
aspects,
but
it
was
because
the
Thunderbirds
were
there
and
they
drew
people
from
literally
all
over
the
state,
we're
envisioning
a
smaller,
scaled-down
version,
an
hour
45
minutes
worth
of
aerial
entertainment,
as
opposed
to
three
and
a
half
hours
that
we
have
during
a
normal
air
show.
S
T
B
D
B
Well,
I
presume,
then
the
Boat
Club
folks
would
have
to
coordinate
with
the
folks
of
the
air
show
and
with
our
folks
yeah,
so
that
if
they're
going
to
a
boat
club
event,
mm-hmm
they're
gonna,
they
got
to
have
some
kind
of
they
have
to
epic.
Some
figure
out
some
kind
of
way
to
let
them
go
in
there
and
then
leave.
T
T
O
W
L
Yes,
chief
Pam
Davis
in
front
of
order,
so
just
to
let
you
know,
we
have
not
been
included
in
these
discussions.
The
only
person
I've
had
any
kind
of
talk
to
is
randy
whitney
lieutenant
Randy
Whitney
from
the
Sheriff's
Office,
so
I,
don't
know
what
resources
we're
gonna
need.
I
have
done,
Blue
Angels
demonstrations
in
Maryland
for
Naval,
Academy,
graduation,
so
I
know
what
it
is
to
do.
The
water
shows,
and
it
is
a
lot
of
resources.
L
So
we
need
a
commitment
on
resources
because
that's
two
days
of
just
imagine
the
fourth
of
July,
it's
two
days
of
all
hands
on
deck
for
our
department
and
probably
a
fire
department
as
well.
So
we
really
need
and
I
I
think
you
should
get
a
firm
commitment
from
the
Coast
Guard
because
trying
to
manage
all
all
that
is
going
to
be
difficult
and
we
used
to
close
the
bridge
up
there.
L
E
Would
seem
to
me
that
I
understand
that
the
Boat
Club
would
like
to
have
accessed
with
vehicles
to
their
facility.
However,
you
know
you're
going
to
have
VIP
attendance
at
the
Bayfront
Center
and
that's
going
to
be
closed,
so
it
would
seem
like
the
Boat
Club
would
need
to
you
to
me
to
use
this
shuttle
to
get
to
their
facility
to
keep
it
simple,
because
otherwise
it's
gonna
be.
It
could
be
an
complicate.
The
whole
issue.
L
H
S
H
G
J
Nitty-Gritty
of
how
this
happens
and
parking
and
people
flow
is
gonna,
be
in
my
mind,
the
most
important
thing
we've
seen
many
issues
recently
of
parking
and
flow
of
traffic.
So
this
needs
a
lot
of
attention.
A
lot
of
detail
needs
to
be
worked
out.
The
police
apparently
hasn't
been
involved,
yet
there
they're
right
in
the
front
line
of
that.
J
E
Yeah
I
understand
about
the
nitty-gritty,
but,
however,
the
this
is
a
part
of
the
permit.
So
we
have
to
be
able
to
figure
out
that
the
this,
the
access
is
a
part
of.
Do
we
allow
the
closure
of
Retta
or
not,
and
if
we
allow
the
closure
of
Ratto,
what
part
of
Rhetta
and
what
you
know
by
Sameer
Matthews
is
suggesting.
Is
that
not
closing
Retta
from
Barry
West
I?
Think
if.
G
G
D
G
E
A
L
S
L
And
that
way
we
can
talk
to
the
Sheriff's
Office
find
out
what
kind
of
resources
they're
willing
to
commit
to
us
as
well.
Our
boats,
we
have
to
vote
votes
and
I
just
talked
to
corporate
roof,
and
he
said
he
was
just
advised
of
this
last
week
from
from
somebody
from
their
Marine
unit.
So
he
has
some
concerns
about
the
boats
that
are
a
Gilcrest.
Only
a
third
there's
like
a
third
that
aren't
occupied
and
what's
gonna
happen
with
those.
L
S
T
T
L
E
S
Y
Or
now
nagar
police
department-
I
am
the
representative
on
the
development
review
committee
and
when
it
came
in
front
of
the
committee,
I
had
a
lot
of
questions
and
you
were
unable
to
answer
those
questions.
We
then
asked
you
to
get
us
involved.
There
are
a
lot
of
parks
that
are
you're
looking
to
block
off.
We
don't
even
know
where
there's
going
to
be
alcohol
served
other
than
the
VIP
tent,
but
you
guys
said
you're
going
to
be
serving
alcohol.
Y
All
that
requires
officers
at
certain
locations
right
now,
I
can't
even
answer
whether
or
not
we
have
the
resources
or
what
kind
of
resources
we're
going
to
need.
Based
on
the
information
we've
been
given
and
we've
asked
to
be
included
and
we
haven't
received
a
call
or
anything
about
the
next
meeting.
Z
Jennifer
Mullin
our
fire
marshal
representative
for
DRC,
the
for
the
fire
department
on
that
board
as
well,
and
I
too,
have
a
lot
of
questions
during
the
DRC
discussion
of
your
event:
application
with
a
lot
of
information
that
we're
still
seeking
answers
on
as
far
as
the
confirmation,
even
the
days
of
the
event,
were
not
completely
accurate
on
the
event
application
mm-hmm.
In
addition
to
that,
we
had
asked
about
the
ARF
unit
at
the
airport
that
you
currently
have
when
the
air
show
is
at
the
airport.
Would
that
unit
be
available
in
the
area?
Z
T
T
T
Z
So
I
echo
the
same
sentiments
for
the
police
chief
Pam
Davis,
that
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Fire
Department
needs
to
be
involved
with
the
discussions
you're
having
with
Charlotte
County
Fire,
because
there
has
not
been
cross
communication
to
city
of
Punta
Gorda
fire
from
Charlotte
County
Fire
for
the
resources
that
will
be
committed
that
you've
already
had
these
meetings
with.
So
we
do
need
to
be
involved
in
those
discussions
to
confirm
resources.
I.
H
S
S
First,
that
I've
heard
these
concerns
from
these
professionals.
I
think
they're,
easily
addressed
I
think
it
would
be
better
to
do
it
more
in
a
committee
thing
and
what
I
would
suggest
is
perhaps
you
could
approve
this,
so
we
can
move
on
subject
to
your
professionals,
working
with
the
county
and
just
make
it
a
subject
to,
because
I've
got
some
very
important
sponsors
that
are
looking
for
the
results
of
this
meeting
right
now
and
to
put
it
off
for
another
month
before
me.
The
timeline
I
mean.
D
W
Several
options:
you
can
continue
it
as
you
wish
it
could
be
approved
with
contingencies
that
are
public
safety
issues
be
addressed
before
the
permit
is
issued.
I
would
definitely
wait
until
I
get
sign-off
from
police
fire
and
Public
Works
as
far
as
maintenance
of
traffic
and
everything
before
you
know
to
make
sure
everything
has
been
finalized
before
a
permit
is
issued
and
a
rental
agreement
for
Gilchrist
Park
is
is
submitted.
O
G
W
O
A
W
E
T
E
T
E
Been
to
air
shows
that
are
over
the
water
and
they're
really
dramatic,
and
it's
been
as
great
fun
to
be
on
a
boat
and
to
be
there,
so
it's
very
exciting
and
and
what
you're
trying
to
do
I
get
it
because
you
we
have
to
continue
the
momentum
of
the
air
show
if
you,
if
you
hold
off
and
don't
hold
an
air
show
for
a
couple
of
years.
You
know
what
that
happens
to
your
momentum,
so
you've
got
to
continue
your
momentum
in
some
manner,
and
so
this
is
going
to
help
do
that.
T
E
W
H
J
W
E
Here's
the
issue
I
have
with
them
the
Boat
Club.
Excuse
me
frog.
My
throat
we're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
look
if
they
are
going
to
have
an
event.
We're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
accommodate
parking
for
80
cars
or
whatever
I
know
that
the
Boat
Club
like
they
want
to
be
able
to
have
all
of
their
members
coming
in
park
at
Gilchrist
apart.
Well,
that's
not
gonna
happen
because
it's
so
you
know
it
may
be
for
a
few.
E
D
O
H
E
G
G
G
A
E
H
E
S
G
E
H
E
E
Just
we
will
proudly
display
that
it's
an
honor
to
have
them
here.
Yes,
thank
you.
Okay.
Are
we
all
good
to
keep
on
going
yeah
all
right?
We
have
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
I
will
move
to
the
signs
on
the
right-of-way
and
who
is
going
to
introduce
this
item?
Oh
well,
do
we
need
to
introduce
it
and
then
public
comment,
or
do
we
honor?
It's.
W
Due
to
an
abundance
of
Science
in
the
right
away,
staff
began
working
weekends
with
sign
of
fractions
seemed
to
be
at
their
most
prolific.
Do
the
numerous
violations?
The
code
enforcement
board,
February
26
2020,
heard
approximately
16
cases
related
to
the
signs
of
the
right
away.
The
code
board
motion
to
find
that
the
respondents
violated
chapter
11,
point
6,
prohibited
science
and
devices
parentsÃ
and
further
ordered
that
respondents
pay
cost
case
cost
and
in
most
cases,
$100
fine.
W
We
did
attach
the
provisions
of
the
code,
as
well
as
the
notices
that
have
been
sent
to
the
board
of
realtor's
over
the
years,
highlighting
the
issues
of
science
in
the
right
away.
As
a
result
of
the
recent
enhanced
enforcement
staff
has
received
complaints
from
the
realtor
some
property
owners
regarding
the
action
taken
and
having
to
go
before
at
the
code
enforcement
board.
I'm
here
with
any
questions,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
timelines
that
I
can
go
over
if
you
have
any
questions
on
where
and
how
everything
started.
Okay,.
E
Q
E
Q
Is
bill
dry
bergen
and
I
am
the
president
of
the
punta
gorda
Charlotte
North
Port
de
Soto
Board
of
Realtors.
The
board
admits
that
there's
a
problem
with
signs
and
a
right
of
way.
We
totally
understand
it
within
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
I
was
present
during
your
discussion
that
one
even
means
when
you
talked
about
directional
signs
and
the
the
but
most
have
you
agreed
if
necessary,
anymore,
because
of
GPS,
and
that's
true.
Q
If
the
people
see
the
ad
in
the
newspaper
or
if
an
agent
puts
the
open
house
up
on
the
MLS,
it
automatically
Auto
populist
to
other
websites
like
Zillow,
but
the
data
from
the
National
Association
of
Realtors
and
our
own
data
show
that
an
equal
or
great
amount
of
people
driving
down
a
Main
Street
and
see
an
open
house
directional
sign,
follow
that
sign
to
an
open
house.
The
reasons
for
that
are
many.
Q
Maybe
they've
always
wanted
to
see.
What's
inside
that
house,
because
they've
driven
about
it
for
years
or
the
other
thing,
they
want
to
see
what
the
value
is
of
buying
a
home
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
The
other
thing
is
unique
about
Punta
Gorda,
both
in
PGI
and
BSI,
because
of
our
MIDI
canals.
We
have
a
lot
of
dead-end
streets,
so
if
an
open
house
is
down
at
the
end
of
one
of
those
dead-end
streets,
the
main
traffic
would
flow
by
it
all
day
long
and
never
know
that
that
open
house
is
down
there.
Q
Q
They
don't
understand
what
goes
on
when
they
say
we
can't
put
signs
up
only
at
the
house,
people
there's
something
there
I
understand
it.
I
stand
here
before
you're,
not
just
asking
that
we
changed
back
to
the
way
it
was,
but
I
want
to
present
to
you.
But
the
board
thinks
is
the
solution
to
the
problem.
The
main
complaint
is
clutter.
If
you
have
five
agents
having
a
open
house
on
a
Saturday
or
Sunday
in
one
given
area,
you
could
have
five
signs
sitting
there
at
an
intersection
showing
the
way
to
the
open
house.
Q
We
would
like
the
opportunity
to
work
with
staff
to
come
back
to
Council
with
a
plan
that
would
work
for
the
real
estate
community
as
well
as
for
the
city.
So
let
me
show
you
what
I
have
in
mind
place
if
you
bring
it
up
there.
You
look
at
this
sign
here.
This
is
a
generic
side
and
it's
important
to
understand
that
it's
generic.
Q
Q
Is
that
the
the
first
agent
who
goes
out
that
morning
and
let's
use
our
common
problem
area,
Bal,
Harbor,
Nikita
and
there's
no
sign
at
that
particular
point
and
we'll
work
with
code
people
to
where
to
put
this
sign,
but
the
sign
will
be
put
there
with
an
arrow,
the
second
agent
when
they
come
to
that
area.
If
they
have
one
in
that
same
area,
they're,
not
putting
out
another
side,
only
this
one
sign
will
be
there
the
same
way
say
when
you
get
down
to
whippoorwill,
rather
than
ever
five
signs.
Q
There
would
only
be
one
the
only
time
that
the
agent
would
be
using
their
sign
would
be
at
the
house
where
the
open
house
is
that
would
show
their
company
or
their
name,
however,
that
they
want
to
choose
to
do
it
that
way.
We
also
wanted
to
look
at
the
holder,
so
if
you
could
bring
that
up
there,
I
could
show
that
them.
What
the
holder
looks
like
we're
looking
to
change
that
too,
as
well
one
more.
Q
This
is
a
new
thing
that
you
haven't
seen
before.
It's
quite
unique:
it's
37
inches
high.
It
looks
bigger
cuz.
We
blew
it
up
a
little
bit,
but
when
you
you
can
see
the
foot
pedal
there,
they
just
freeze
your
friend
to
push
it
in
the
ground
and
when
it's
in
the
ground
it's
2
feet.
That's
all
it
is
so
be
nice
and
pretty
reflects
the
beauty
that
we
think
is
designed
for
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
The
sign,
along
with
the
holder,
is
classy.
It
eliminates
the
clutter.
Q
The
rose-scented
community
wants
to
work
with
the
city
to
find
a
common
ground
to
correct
the
problem,
to
benefit
the
city
and
also
sort
of
rustic
to
me,
because
all
they
want
to
do
is
make
a
living,
and
this
open
houses
are
part
of
them
making
it
a
living.
I
asked
you
to
give
us
the
chance
to
meet
with
staff,
come
back
to
you
with
a
solution
to
the
ongoing
problem.
E
AA
I
think
seniors
five-star
reality
good
morning.
Hana
Gorda
is
where
I
grew
up,
and
my
office
has
been
here
for
over
33
years,
I
have
met
with
code
enforcement
trying
to
find
a
solution.
This
is
a
problem
with
not
being
able
to
have
directional
signs
our
clientele,
even
though
they
do
go
on
the
internet.
We
have
pulled
as
they
enter
our
homes
for
the
open
houses
and
ask
how
they
have
come
in
or
why
they
came
in
and
over
80
percent,
say
the
directional
signs.
So
this
is
an
issue
we
came.
AA
I
came
to
the
board
trying
to
find
together
with
a
city,
because
we
want
to
make
a
living
here.
The
city
people
all
of
our
clientele,
that's
down
I,
could
tell
you
that
the
Realtors
don't
want
to
sit
in
an
open
house
with
no
one
there
on
a
Saturday
or
Sunday
they'd,
rather
be
out
on
the
boat,
along
with
our
code.
Enforcement
would
also
rather
be
fishing,
so,
instead
of
always
finding
let's
find
them,
but
let's
find
a
solution
that
makes
Punta
Gorda
the
place
that
we
all
came
to
live
here.
AA
Classy
together
for
growth,
and
so
your
properties,
if
you
have
a
property
that
is
in
the
bird
section,
and
you
want
to
sell
your
home,
it's
very,
very
difficult
to
get
people
in
there.
So
I
beg
of
you
to
let
us
take
our
time
and
I
will
volunteer
my
time
to
sit
down
with
you
as
I
have
and
try
to
find
a
solution
to
this,
and
it
we
may
tweak
this
week
where
they
can
go,
how
they
go.
We
just
want
a
solution.
Thank
You.
G
Q
AA
An
open
house
for
conversion
rate,
verses
and
internet
lead
is
a
hundred
to
one.
So
you
can
see
that
data
is
come
from
national
and
we
we
look
at
where
we're
gonna
spend
our
time.
Are
we
going
to
have
an
open
house?
Are
we
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
money?
Are
we
gonna,
buy
Zillow
leads,
and
you
say,
15
to
1.
That's
the
ratio
of
rate
of
return.
Okay,.
H
AB
You
doing
my
name
is
Stas
Matias
broker
with
Aaron
catering
and
company
here
downtown
Punta
Gorda.
You
asked
a
really
great
question
now:
10
times
out
of
10
or
15
1
out
of
15
may
buy
that
house,
but
we
also
carry
a
list
of
the
all
the
available
homes
in
that
area
as
well.
There
may
not
be
having
an
open
house
so
that
open
house
not
only
helps
to
sell
that
property,
but
it
also
helps
them
to
get
a
general
idea
of
the
neighborhood.
They
can
ask
us
two
questions.
AB
Well,
where
does
this
canal
actually
take
you?
Well,
there's
a
house
down
the
street,
that's
for
sale,
so
no,
it
may
not
affect
that
house
directly
every
single
time,
but
what
it
does
is
it
helps
us
to
point
them
in
the
right
direction,
because
we're
the
Realtors
work
together
to
sell
each
other's
property,
and
so
I
may
not
have
the
listing
down
the
street
or
around,
but
that
canal
is
a
little
bit
quicker
out
or
it
may
be
saleable
to
access,
and
it
helps
us
to
say
hey
when
we're
done.
AB
We
can
go
ahead
and
take
you
to
this
property,
or
we
can
give
you
a
list
of
this
properties
properties
that
actually
fit
your
criteria.
So
in
essence,
we
get
to
help
more
people
find
houses
in
the
Isles
a
lot
quicker,
especially
between
burne
store
and
Punta
Gorda,
navigating
that
is
very
tricky
unless
you're
from
around
here
I've
been
here
for
ten
years,
I
I
got
it
in
my
fourth
or
fifth
year,
like
oh,
wait
can't
turn
down
the
street,
but
anyway
having
the
open
houses
is
a
benefit
and
I
I
got
yelled.
AB
At
the
other
day,
when
I
seen
my
seller
at
Walmart,
what
we
had
an
open
house,
we
hardly
didn't
have
anybody.
Why
didn't
you
put
more
science
I
said?
Well,
we're
not
allowed
to
put
signs
out
first
thing
he
told
me
was
he
was
gonna,
write
the
mayor,
a
letter
which
you
may
have
gotten,
but
we're
more
than
we
want
to
work
with.
You
guys,
there's
a
lot
of
us
that
they
really
care
about
the
community
and
we
understand
the
clutter
and
we
understand
how
it
affects
others.
O
AB
Really
do
want
to
come
to
a
solution.
We
don't
want
to
fight,
we
don't
want
to
go
back
and
forth.
Well,
you
did
this
and
you
did
that.
That's
that's
that
doesn't
help
anyone.
So
if
we
could
come
together
as
one
and
help
to
make
this
beautiful
sign,
you
know
happen,
we'd
love
to
do
it
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
E
AC
Bryan
young
five-star
Realty,
one
of
the
other
things
that
happens
in
an
open
house
is,
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
We
get
you've,
never
been
to
this
city
before
and
they
see
a
sign.
They
come
to
the
house
and
that's
when
I
tell
the
story
about
this
city
about
Punta
Gorda,
why
it's
such
a
great
place
to
live
the
realtors.
Are
this
city's
biggest
cheerleader
Bar
None
and
you
know
familiar
tale-
is
that
well
we
want
to
look
in
Cape
Carl
or
we
want
to
look
in
Sarasota.
AC
E
V
I'm
the
broker
in
a
Cole,
Harbour,
RealD
and
also
member
of
the
honor
guard-
oh
poor,
Charlotte,
North,
Fork,
DeSoto,
etc.
Association
of
Realtors
when
I
received
a
the
buy
of
the
violation
notification.
I
looked
at
this
I
said
to
myself:
are
you
telling
me
that
these
little
6
by
8
signs
that
that
are
located
in
the
right-of-way
and
in
some
instances
are
causing
all
this
furor?
V
That's
going
on,
don't
be
here
what's
happening
so
then,
as
we
explored
this
a
little
bit
more
I
found
out
what
to
find
the
artifice
and
the
fly
in
the
ointment
was
the
open
house
signs
and
even
though
this
has
been
mentioned
by
some
of
us
before
as
far
as
cooperation
are
concerned,
I
hope
that
the
City
Council
looks
at
the
comments
that
our
members
have
made
and
say.
Yes,
we
have
been
a
default
here.
There
isn't
any
question
about
that.
Do
we
want
to
get
it
fixed?
V
Yes,
we
want
to
get
it
fixed
and
we
are
perfectly
willing
to
have
a
committee,
a
group
of
brokers
from
the
particle
aisles
and
North
Portland
at
rather
first
oils.
That's
a
problem
community
work
with
you
guys
to
get
a
resolution
to
get
this
thing
fixed.
This
has
been
going
on.
We
since
2007
I,
don't
know
and
it
never
really
gets
fixed.
Well,
you
know
you
wanted
to
get
our
attention.
You
got
our
attention
over
here,
but
we
want
to
make
an
emphasis
that
we
really
want
to
make
this.
V
E
AD
Have
Jim
Quinn
I'm
a
broker
with
Keller
Williams
Realty
here
in
town,
and
it's
not
about
the
Realtors.
The
sellers
want
to
get
their
house
sold.
The
buyers
want
to
know
where
the
houses
are
available
for
sale.
So
it's
really
probably
more
important
for
the
customers,
both
the
sellers
and
the
buyers,
and
it
is
about
the
agents.
I.
Think
Phil's
suggestion
here
is
a
great
solution
to
get
this
resolved.
AD
E
AE
Walker
Realty
here
this
is
a
huge
important
thing,
I
believe
and
I
think
that's
a
great
resolution.
I
do
think
that
the
other
thing
is
the
right-of-way
needs
to
be
more
specific
as
to
where
it
is
because
not
only
is
it
the
open
house
signs
but
they're
going
on
private
property
of
the
sellers
and
the
sellers
are
really
really
upset.
They
want
to
know
why
the
signs
disappeared,
why
it
has
to
be
up
in
the
rock
why
it
has
to
be
nowhere.
E
AF
Along
I'm,
a
couple
banker
Sun
star
I,
was
just
kind
of
listening
to
what
everybody
was
saying.
Most
of
the
agents
that
came
up
here
are
brokers,
I'm,
a
realtor
I've
been
a
realtor
here
in
Punta
Gorda
for
the
past
twelve
years
and
I
just
want
to
tell
you.
The
realtor
side
of
the
story
is
when
I
go
and
present
myself
to
get
a
listing,
we're
talking
to
most
seniors
that
are
downsizing.
They
don't
have
children
here.
AF
They
have
to
trust
their
realer
I
promise
them
that
I'm
going
to
have
open
houses
in
the
first
two
weeks,
I'm
gonna
not
be
able
to
put
signs
up.
The
senior
market
relies
on
the
newspaper.
We
only
get
five
percent
return
on
the
newspaper,
so
our
open
houses
are
important
and
I.
Think
that's
the
only
thing
that
I
have
to
say
to
me.
Thank
you.
Anyone.
D
G
Then
I
think
it's
it's
time
for
city
staff
to
sit
down
with
the
Board
of
Realtors
folks
and
work
out
a
logistic
compromise
and
and
a
way
to
make
this
work.
I.
Don't
think
anybody
on
this
council
is
trying
to
be
negative
toward
Realtors
I
think
we
are
all
of
the
same
opinion.
We
want
you
all
to
be
successful.
G
We
want
our
community
to
be
successful
and
we
want
to
keep
our
community
looking
as
nice
as
it
currently
looks
and
I
think
that
you
know
what
maybe
some
of
you
don't
know
if
you
haven't
been
here.
That
long
is
that,
many
years
ago
several
City
Council's
ago,
the
citizens
came
to
the
council
and
demanded
that
all
the
signs
be
taken
down
in
the
I
mean
and
that
included
speed,
limit
signs
and
all
kinds
of
other
signs
throughout
the
city.
G
So
that
was
when
the
big
sign
thing
came
into
place
and
and
the
the
realtor
signs
were
sunsetted
for
a
period
of
time
during
the
crisis
with
the
economy,
and
we
sunsetted
that
for
a
period
of
about
what
six
years
Howard,
there
was
like
three
cycles
of
the
ordinance
and
finally,
with
this
ordinance
back
in
place
when
the
market
recouped
itself
but
I,
don't
think
anybody's,
trying
to
be
the
bad
guy
in
this
and
I
think
we're.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is:
let's,
let's
work
out
a
reasonable
compromise.
G
E
E
H
Well,
what
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
I
sat
through
the
code
enforcement
meeting
on
last
Wednesday,
and
it
was
such
an
eye-opener
to
me
that
I
went
home
in
that
afternoon.
I
spoke
with
about
four
realtor's
and
I
said:
okay.
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
make
this
work?
Because
this
is
untenable
and
every
single
one
of
them
told
me
that
if
they
could
have
the
signs
on
Saturdays
and
Sundays
that
they
would
be
happy?
H
H
I
would
be
much
more
in
favor
of
it,
but
you
know
I
think
you
know
the
real
estate
people
I,
believe
you
really
are
our
best
voice
in
the
community,
and
you
know
how
many
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
I
know
that
went
to
an
open
house
and
ended
up
moving
to
Punta
Gorda.
So
you
know,
let's,
let's
get
it
done,
but
please
no
signs
left
on
Monday
and
Tuesday.
Okay,
yeah.
E
Some
of
the
complaints
I
got
we're
also
regarding
the
signs
being
removed
and
then
thrown
away
rapidly,
and
so
I've
talked
with
Howard
about
that
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
solution
that
the
signs
are
deposited
someplace
and
kept
for
maybe
a
couple
of
weeks,
so
that
there's
like
the
signs
are
thrown
away
twice
a
month
as
opposed
to
right
away
because
of
the
investment
in
signs,
and
these
were
not
just
the
open
house
signs.
These
were
other
signs.
E
H
E
E
You
can
go
out
there
pick
them
up
and
then
because
we
don't
have
the
space
here
at
City
Hall
to
be
able
to
accommodate
they
get
put
in
the
dumpster
right
away
and
as
soon
as
the
dumpster
gets
picked
up,
they're
gone
once
a
week
once
a
week
once
a
week,
but
it
just
depends
so
at
least
it
might
give
someone
a
little
bit
more
time
to
to
respond.
That's
the
easy
part,
that's
the
easy
part,
but
back
to
David.
C
C
The
reality
that
it's
not
City,
staffs
pleasure
of
making
life
difficult
for
those
that
are
trying
to
make
a
living
I
have
been
advising
the
City
Council
for
many
years
that
our
federal
court
for
the
Eleventh
Circuit
that
deals
with
Florida
and
some
of
the
adjoining
states
determined
in
the
I
think
as
early
as
the
late
1990s.
If
not
the
early
2000s,
that
any
sign
code
that
regulates
signs
on
the
basis
of
what
is
said
on
the
sign
is
unconstitutional.
C
So
if
you
were
going
to
regulate
signs,
you
have
to
regulate
things
that
aren't
based
on
what
is
said
on
the
sign,
the
content,
but
on
regulations
that
are
content
neutral.
You're
then
limited
to
the
size
of
the
sign,
the
location
of
the
sign,
the
height
of
the
sign,
the
materials
in
which
the
sign
is
constructed,
the
times
in
which
the
signs
can
be
placed.
But
you
cannot
differentiate
between.
Let's
say
signs
that
advertise
open
houses
versus
lines
that
advertise
a
church,
bazaar
or
signs
that
say
out
of
canis.
A
C
You
cannot
regulate
signs
based
on
what's
said
on
the
signs
now,
let
me
at
least
put
to
some
extent
the
current
discussion
in
proper
context,
we're
here
because
as
a
follow-up
to
what
took
place
at
the
call
enforcement
board
last
week,
none
of
the
violations
that
were
heard
by
the
code
enforcement
board
were
based
on
directional
signs.
The
open
house
signs
all
of
the
violations
were
signs
within
the
city's
right-of-way,
which
is
prohibited.
We
have
a
separate
provision
in
our
code,
as
relates
to
signs
that
are
off
premise,
signs,
otherwise,
directional
signs.
C
So
we
need
to
consider
our
current
code
in
its
relationship
to
the
requirements
of
the
US
Constitution
in
2016,
the
US
Supreme
Court
issued
a
game-changing
decision
which
in
essence,
made
probably
99.9%
of
the
county
and
municipal
ordinances
around
the
country
in
violation
of
the
Constitution.
Based
on
that
decision,
it's
been
a
tough
process
to
draft
regulations
that
meet
that.
C
That
would
also
be
found
to
be
unconstitutional,
because
if
you
have
to
read
the
sign
to
determine
what
category
that
sign
fits
into,
then
that
is
not
a
content-neutral
sign.
In
order
to
address
a
situation
like
we
have
today.
One
of
the
things
that
you
would
want
to
consider
is
whether
you
would
open
up
the
public
right-of-way
to
science.
C
Irrespective
of
what
the
sign
said.
If
you're
willing
to
do
that,
then
you
can
regulate
the
time
or
day
of
the
weeks
that
the
sign
can
be
posted
the
size,
the
matter
of
construction,
things
of
that
nature,
but
you,
but
you
would
then
be
opening
up
our
right-of-way
to
garage
sales,
private
parties,
church
events
as
well
as
open
houses
and
do
away
with
the
limitation
on
directional
signs
and
directional
signs
and
allow
the
directional
signs
to
be
placed
in
the
right
away.
C
I
mean
that's
an
option,
that's
available
to
you
as
soon
as
you
start,
limiting
who's
going
to
use
the
right-of-way
and
who's
gonna
have
a
right
to
put
a
directional
sign
to
certain
classes
that
are
determined
by
reading
the
sign
to
see
who
is
having
the
benefit
of
that
relaxation
of
the
ordinance.
Then
we
run
afoul
of
the
US
Constitution.
Now
my
responsibility
is
to
tell
you
and
advise
you
as
to
what
is
permissible
and
what's
not
permissible.
C
I
have
advised
in
the
past
that
we
probably
shouldn't
go
down
a
certain
path,
but
my
advice
is
advice
and
that
to
us
to
allow
you
to
assess
the
risk
of
risk
of
litigation.
I
have
in
the
past
suggested
that
we
suspend
enforcement
of
our
code
until
we
replace
the
code
with
one
that
meets
the
constitutional
muster.
C
That
was
relatively
recently
and
the
City
Council
elected
to
maintain
the
status
quo.
So
I'm
just
looking
for
your
direction
as
to
how
you
want
to
address
a
situation
which
is
not
going
to
get
better
and
as
the
courts
enforce,
the
Supreme
Court's
determination
is
going
to
subject
us
to
a
potential
liability
and
I.
Don't
want
to
be
more
specific,
but
the
case
that
that
came
about
in
2016
was
a
case
that
came
out
of
a
town
in
Arizona
a
small
little
town.
C
O
H
AG
E
We
could
not
do
that
for
any
sign
anything
regardless,
because
people
I
know
I've
received
emails
about
an
individual,
walking
down
the
streets,
downtown
carrying
a
propane
sign
about
you,
know,
police
or
whatever
and
concerned
about
children.
Seeing
the
sign
I
said
I'm.
Sorry,
I
can't
do
anything
about
it.
That.
D
Jihad,
one
thing:
let's
say:
if
we
use
this
design
as
a
model
for
a
code,
change
that
we
say:
we'd
have
a
five-sided
sign.
That
has
a
point
in
this
way.
It
has
basically
doing
it
off
of
the
aesthetics
and
with
a
certain
type
of
stand,
and
this
type
of
design
stand
could
be
used
on
certain
days
and
hours
and
I'll
say
anything
more
than
that.
If
anyone
had
a
crazy
sign,
they
would
still
have
to
they'd
have
to
go
through
the
trouble
of
actually
making
that
sienten
ply
to
the
design
standard
that
we
have.
C
So
so,
as
long
as
it
was
not
too
restrictive,
yeah
in
terms
of
a
regulation
and
so
long
as
the
judge
would
by
the
fact
that
anyone
could
use
this
shape,
size,
software
type
of
sign
and
so
that
we
weren't
going
through
the
you
know
back
way
to
do
a
regulation,
because
that
would
only
benefit
one
class
of
speakers.
That
would
be
sufficient.
But
to
give
you
an
example,.
C
As
I
mentioned
to
you,
content-neutral
regulations
include
the
number
regulating
the
number
of
signs,
there's,
no
real
definition
of
how
many
signs
you
can
regulate
without
violating
somebody's
ability
for
some
free
speech,
so
that,
if
we
said
you
can
have
only
10
signs
on
the
property,
probably
that
would
be
sufficient
and
and
meet
constitutional
muster
as
a
limitation.
If
we
said
you
can
only
have
one
sign
on
your
property,
the
courts
have
said
that
maybe
too
limiting
particularly
you
know.
We
have
a
provision
in
our
hypothetically
speaking.
C
There
may
be
a
code
provision
in
a
Municipal
Code.
That
says
you
may
only
have
one
political
sign
for
one
candidate
for
any
election
on
the
property.
Now,
that's
essentially
limiting
the
number
of
signs
also
happens
to
be
content-based
because
you're
basing
on
the
fact
it's
a
political
sign,
but
forget
that
for
a
moment
the
court
said
that
one
sign
for
a
political
sign
is
too
restrictive,
because
there
may
be
multiple
issues
or
multiple
candidates
that
the
owner
of
the
property
may
be
willing
to
support.
C
So
there's
a
sweet
spot
somewhere,
but
it's
not
actually
written
out
in
black
and
white.
So
my
concern
is
that
if
we
designed
a
sign
for
the
purpose
of
helping
the
Realtors
with
respect
to
open
houses,
unless
that
sign
was
easily
adaptable
by
any
other
entity
or
person
that
wanted
to
put
it
off
the
premise
sign,
it
may
be
something
made
nevertheless
subject
to
respond
to
the
liability.
You
know
as
a
directional
sign
something
with
an
arrow
probably
is
easily
adaptable
by
most
other
speakers,.
G
So
I
have
a
question
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
had
to
go
to
the
store
on
Sunday
afternoon
and
I
passed
17
signs
from
Magdalena
down
to
my
house.
In
the
bird
section,
17
open
house
signs,
one
realtor
had
six
signs
leading
to
one
open
house
and
one
realtor
had
handwritten
notes
on
the
sign.
It
was
a
pre-made
sign,
but
he
had
handwritten
notes
on
it
and
another
one
had
something
taped
to
the
bottom
of
the
sign.
With
the
address
of
the
property
we
regulate
that
kind
of
stuff.
C
Yes,
yes,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
regulate
esthetics.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
say
that
the
sign
being
professionally
printed
or
painted,
or
what
have
you
the
courts-
do
recognize
esthetics
as
a
as
a
viable
basis
for
regulating
what
the
signs
look
like
as
long
as
we're
not
regulating
what
the
sign
says
and
and
when
the
earlier
courts
came
out.
C
Talking
about
the
requirement
for
things
being
content-neutral,
the
ordinances
that
were
adopted
following
some
of
those
earlier
cases
divided
the
signs
for
regulatory
purposes
into
real
estate,
signs
political
signs
and
and
and
different
types
of
things.
Like
our
code,
does
the
courts
later
on
said?
No,
if
you
have
to
read
the
sign
to
determine
whether
that's
a
real
estate
sign
or
a
political
sign
or
a
garage
sale
sign
that
makes
it
content-based
and
therefore
it's
unconstitutional
now
to
some
extent,
Florida
got
a
forewarning
of
this,
because
our
Eleventh
Circuit
from
in
Atlanta.
C
This
is
the
court
that
federal
court
that
governs
are
the
state
of
Florida
in
a
city
of
Clearwater
case
was
extremely
clear
in
saying
that
if
you
have
to
read
the
sign,
it's
content-based
other
juror
courts
from
other
jurisdictions
around
the
country
warrant,
as
as
our
sir,
so
we've
known
for
quite
some
time
that
you
know
we
have
issues
with
our
with
our
ordnance
and
it
wasn't
until
2016
that
the
US
Supreme
Court
came
up
with
a
decision.
That
was
very
much
the
same
as
what
our
11th
Circuit
Court
came
up
with.
G
E
Do
we
we
need
to
I
think
a
sense,
there's
interest
on
all
of
our
parts.
I
watched
the
the
code,
compliance
meeting
from
my
home
and
listen
to
the
entire
discussion,
and
you
know
we
want
to
do
something.
What
and
working
with
the
Board
of
Realtors.
You
know
whether
we
put
the
city's
the
new
cities,
marketing
logo.
So
that's
consistent,
I
think
that
would
be
great
on
something
like
that.
We
could
come
up
with
something
with
the
realtors,
but
we
as
a
as
an
organization.
E
C
O
C
The
same
is
with
respect
to
directional
signs.
They
either
allow
directional
signs,
so
they
don't
allow
direction.
Sign
I'm
working
on
a
draft
based
on
the
most
recent
course
determinations
that
that
should
be
available
for
staffs
review
in
Friday,
okay
with
with
which
we'll
have
a
lot
of
tweaking.
That
will
be
necessary
before
it's
event.
It
should
be
made
available
for
your
consideration.
C
In
the
meantime,
we
have
code
enforcement
hearings
coming
up
the
end
of
this
month
and,
as
far
as
I
know,
there's
a
number
of
signs
that
are
on
that
agenda.
Quite
a
number
of
signs
that
are
on
that
agenda,
and
that
is
based
on
the
direction
that
that
staff
received
from
City
Council
to
enforce
the
code
as
it
is
written
if
you'd
like
to
change
that
direction.
You're
certainly
welcome
to
do
so.
C
H
One
of
the
things
that
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
address
is
a
whole
definition
of
right
away,
because
that
was
the
biggest
problem
at
the
code
enforcement.
You
know,
I
mean
I
understand
we
have
a
perception
of
what
the
right-of-way
is,
and
then
we
have
the
right-of-way-
and
this
has
been
made
apparent
to
me
this
week
because
my
street
is
being
hit
with
those
new
poles
and
what
I
thought
was.
The
kind
of
way
is
half
way
up
somebody's
yard,
so
you
know
they're.
H
Those
people
are
gonna,
get
slammed
for
signs
in
their
yards
because
they
didn't
realize
it
was
that
far
back
and
I'm
sorry,
the
code
compliance
guy
said
you
still
owe
us
GPS
use
this.
We
shouldn't
have
to
have
a
degree
in
engineering
to
put
a
directional
sign
in
the
in
a
right-of-way
tour
in
you
know,
out
of
the
right,
oh.
E
C
Okay,
if
I
might
thank
you,
so
you
know
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
I
was
going
to
do
that,
and
this
certainly
advances
the
discussion
so
arc
again.
The
only
way
that
we
can
deal
with
a
situation
where
we
specifically
have
a
provision
in
our
code
that
says
that
signs
in
a
right-of-way
are
prohibited
is
to
either
take
out
that
prohibition
that
uses
the
right-of-way
as
as
an
area
of
regulate
of
regulation,
or
to
understand
how
the
public
should
be
determining
what
restrictions
may
apply
to
their
particular
use.
C
C
It
is
not
out
of
the
realm
of
reason
for
them
to
take
a
look
at
extremely
available
information.
That's
available
on
the
internet
from
our
property
appraiser
that
identifies
where
the
property
appraiser
says.
The
right-of-way
is
for
a
particular
property.
Is
that
the
same
as
a
survey?
No,
is
there
a
possibility
of
inaccuracies?
Yes,
but
the
same
GIS
map
that
shows
where
the
right-of-way
is
relied
upon
by
our
code
enforcement
staff
as
to
where
the
right-of-way
is
for
that
particular
property
for
the
purposes
of
enforcement.
C
Our
code
allows
us
to
rely
upon
that
evidence.
Is
that
evidence
as
good
or
better
than
a
survey?
No.
So
if
a,
if
there
is
some
question
by
someone
who
has
been
cited
for
putting
something
in
the
right-of-way
as
to
whether
or
not
is
indeed
in
the
right-of-way,
they
certainly
have
the
opportunity
to
rebut
that
presumption
by
bringing
in
a
survey
that
the
property
owner
may
already
have,
but
that
shouldn't
have
it
shouldn't
have
to
be
that
way.
C
C
So
that
is
an
immediate
way
to
address
the
the
signs
in
the
right-of-way,
which
was
what
assuming,
which
is,
what
the
the
source
of
the
code
enforcement
cases
were.
Last
time
and
also
this
coming.
So
there's
really
no
cases
being
brought
forward
yet
on
on
off
premise:
signs
as
far
as
I
know,
correct.
W
C
E
O
E
E
E
G
E
B
G
B
E
The
fact
that
the
realtor
I
mean
I
had
a
conversation
with
a
realtor
on
the
phone.
It's
like
house
has
lived
in
that
and
then
owner
sees
that
the
sign
got
moved
and
they
can
move
it.
But
if
the
house
is
vacant,
who's
gonna
who's
going
to
know
the
realtor
can
go
around
and
kind
of
inspect,
but
you
know
they
could
be
vacant
lots
or
whatever.
So
that's.
A
G
O
J
C
G
E
C
E
C
E
AA
AA
A
lot
of
companies
do
tours
of
their
own
houses,
but
they're,
not
an
item,
fences
yeah.
That's
that's
how
the
code
is.
There's
a
lot
of
things
on
the
code
that
I
believe
you
need
to
be
adjusted
the
size
of
the
signs
you
have.
You
know
realtor
for
sale
signs
and
you
have
open
house
signs.
You
have
political
science
and
you
have
garage
sale
signs,
they're,
all
different
sizes
and
I
believe
that
that's
probably
something
we're.
A
AG
A
AA
D
C
G
G
H
E
C
E
But
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
can't.
We
can't
come
up
with
something
that
starts
to
set
the
wheels
in
motion
on
you
all
coming
up
with
your
own.
That
would
that
would
speak
volumes
to
the
community.
That
I
think
you
are
working
as
a
body
to
put
something
in
place.
That
would
be
more
acceptable,
so
that
then,
because
we
ultimately
will
come
up
with
something.
E
U
A
D
E
U
U
E
G
E
J
G
E
O
AC
R
D
G
D
C
Of
a
second
last
thing,
the
code
does
require
us:
if
we're
enforcing
the
provisions
of
the
code,
to
remove
and
and
dispose
of
the
signs
that
are
collected
from
within
the
right-of-way.
We
can
remove
them
and
hold
them
and
not
dispose
of
them.
Of
course,
I'm
I'm
in
favor
I'm
in
favor
of
that,
because
then,
if
somebody
comes
and
picks
them
up,
we
can
serve
them
with
the
Notice
of
Violation
we're
not,
and
that
would
not
apply
to
those.
E
B
That
can
be
handled
in-house.
If
you,
if
you
during
the
week,
if
we
pick
up
signs,
we
will
place
them
over
in
a
little
corner
of
the
public
utilities
area
by
the
utility
entrance.
We
will
pick
those
signs
up
and
dispose
of
them
every
two
weeks.
Those
signs
could
be
there
for
13
days
or
one
day,
mm-hmm.
C
B
There
they
will
be
open
between
the
hour
when
the
public
works
utilities.
Campus
is
open
for
public,
they
have
one
entrance
and
it
be
closed.
At
night
it'll
be
closed.
At
weekend,
people
got
two
weeks.
They
may
have
one
day
they
may
have
thirteen
days.
We're
not
gonna,
monitor
that,
but
they're
gonna
be
disposed
of
every
two
weeks.
E
Of
before
they
had
any
kind
of
recourse
for
what's
happened,
is
the
signs
get
put
in
a
dumpster
over
here
at
the
right
here
right
over
here
yeah
and
in
the
dumpster.
That's
picked
up
weekly
well
in
the
complaint
was
my
eye
that
signs
just
got
picked
up.
I
didn't
have
a
chance
and
all
of
a
sudden,
now
I,
don't
my
signs
have
been
thrown
away.
So
now,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
finding
another
place
to
put
the
sign
so
that
at
least
it
gives
him
a
little
bit
longer
to
come,
collect
their
sites.
E
E
E
E
E
AE
The
sign
so
did
you
state
your
name?
My
name
is
Leanne
Walker
I'm
the
broker
Walker
Realty.
Regarding
the
March
hearing,
our
particular
one,
it
was
for
a
sign
that
was
in
the
yard
in
the
Swale
which
the
long
people
have
moved
it.
So
you've
decided
not
to
dismiss
any
of
the
March
things
right,
but
going
forward
if
that
happens
with
inside
somebody's
private
property.
Until
we
figure
out
the
ordinance,
you
are
not
going
to
cite
people
and
you're
not
going
to
take
the
signs
off
the
yards.
Well,.
C
C
It's
a
code
enforcement
board
they're
entitled
to
a
defense
if
they
brought
if
they
brought
the
person
in
that,
did
it
and
said
that
he
did
it
I'm
sure
the
code
enforcement
board
would
have
dismissed
that
particular
case.
But
it's
testimony
under
oath
are
people
who
said
where
it
was
found.
They
removed
the
sign
and
cited
the
violator
and
that's
what
they
were
required
to
do.
Code
enforcement
board
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented,
didn't
believe
that
there
was
somebody
that
moved
the
sign.
Maybe
they
were
wrong.
C
Maybe
they
were
right,
that's
their
prerogative
in
order
I'm,
just
making
the
suggestion
that,
in
order
to
minimize
the
opportunity
for
a
long
person
to
put
the
sign
into
the
right-of-way,
the
sign
should
be
far
enough
above
the
right-of-way
that
it's
not
just
within
a
foot
or
two.
That
would
require
the
long
person
to
move
it.
I
can't
imagine
the
long
person
moving
10
or
20
moving
that
sign,
10
or
20
feet,
because
they're
gonna
mow
it
I
would
think
that
they
would
move
it
a
couple
feet
mow
and
move
it
back.
G
C
D
AD
A
A
AG
H
AA
H
H
H
E
Right
council
is
back
in
session
and
we
will
start.
We
have
several
but
I
tum'
to
discuss
and
we
will
take
citizens
comments
on
these
items:
the
property
acquisitions
for
Court
under
buck
of
Grande
drainage,
the
award
of
amendment
for
for
engineering
services,
a
discussion
of
community
stakeholders,
interview
panel
for
the
city
manager
and
the
action
register
quarterly
update.
So
have
anyone
having
comments
on
these
items?
Please
come
to
the
podium
and
you
have
three
minutes
and
anyone
that
still
has
comments
on
previously
discussed
items.
E
B
B
Remember
their
first
counter
was
235
301
San,
Carlos
Drive
came
back
at
85
v
and
their
counter
a
few
weeks
ago
was
93.
Staff
is
comfortable
with
those
offers.
Those
are
key
properties
for
the
Boca
Grande
drainage,
we're
asking
city
council
to
approve
the
best
and
final
offers
for
1802
Manzana
and
301
San
Carlos
and
authorize
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
vacant
land
contracts
and
the
city
attorney
to
handle
the
real
estate
closings.
E
E
AG
Morning,
I'm
here
to
present
award
of
the
oh
thank
you.
Pardon
Julie,
welcome,
started
procurement
I'm
here
to
present
the
award
of
amendment
before
for
engineering
services
to
assist
with
linic
lease
negotiations
for
the
wastewater
treatment
facility
to
CDM
Smith
of
Fort
Myers
on
March
21st
2018
City
Council
awarded
a
Master
Agreement
for
providing
an
engineering
services
for
the
wastewater
treatment,
works,
improvement
and
services
related
to
this
work.
The
agreement
was
awarded
to
CDM
Smith
and
we
have
pre-negotiated
unit
prices
and
a
previous
city
council
meeting
in
January.
B
I
know
you're
gonna
bring
something
before
the
vice-mayor
bring
something
up.
This
may
not
come
across
as
being
a
the
audience
anything
being
very
critical.
This
is
an
extremely
important
project
because
our
wastewater
treatment
plant
sits
on
about
900
acres
off
a
burr
mount
Road
and
we
have
had
have
been
in
the
envy
of
a
position
of
being
able
to
occupy
that
property
from
the
Fish
and
Wildlife
Commission
since
its
inception.
Well,
the
lease
is
coming
due
and.
M
B
O
AH
Tom
Jackson
Utilities
Director
for
the
record
about
five
years
ago.
We
needed
a
15
foot
wide
easement
from
the
Fish
and
Game
Commission
to
put
the
new
parallel
force
main
onto
the
property.
It
took
us
three
trips
to
Tallahassee
eight
months
and
we
almost
did
not
get
it.
We
need
a
professional
firm
that
can
tell
our
story,
give
them
engineering,
drawings
and
diagrams
and
define
the
lease
and
define
the
property
I
I'm,
not
sure
that
our
staff
that
we
have
currently
would
be
successful
in
it
in
a
timely
enough
fashion.
G
AH
And
it's
it's!
It's
intuitive
that
you
said
that,
because
staff
brainstorming
this-
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
is
maybe
it
would
be
in
the
city's
better
interest,
because
our
footprints
really
really
going
to
shrink.
We
are
looking
at
ways
to
reduce
the
residuals
demand
to
put
on
the
land
we're
going
to
belt
press
it
and
D
water.
It
on-site
we've
been
working
towards
that
for
a
couple
of
years
now
our
footprint
hopefully
will
reduce
for
the
next
lease
and
and
maybe
we
can
buy
25
50
acres,
whatever
we
need
so.
E
I,
you
know
I
think
I
liken
this
I
realized
that
the
question
I
have
received
is:
why
are
we
always
hiring
consultants
to
do
these
things
and
I
received
that
question
on
this
and
my
response
and
I
discussed
this
with
Howard?
Is
it
goes
back
to
my
days
when
I
was
on
the
landscape
community
for
the
county
and
trying
to
work
with
FDOT
and
their
big
book
and
all
of
the
navigating
all
of
the
rules
and
like
what
you
just
said.
E
T
E
Knows
they
know
the
right
words
to
say
and
they
know
how
to
because
one
slip
of
you
know
it's
it's
just
too
important,
and
you
need
to
have
that
expertise
that
to
secure
what
you
need
and
and
so
I
get
it
that
the
we
always
don't.
Aren't
it's
not
always
in
our
best
interest
to
try
to
do
it.
Ourselves
absolutely
well
said
mm-hmm.
O
G
E
B
AI
E
G
G
G
G
E
AI
G
O
AI
B
AI
E
A
E
E
AI
The
one
question
that
one
item
that
we,
though,
was
in
there's
a
there's
a
mr.
Bossert.
He
has
a
strong
military
background
with
heavy
experience
and
emergent
emergency
and
disaster
response.
That
kind
of
thing
and
I
made
a
statement
in
there
that
I
should
not
have
made,
and
that
is
recommend
interview.
I
can't
recommend
that.
Can
you
hear
me
now.
E
AI
AI
The
one
that
people
hear
when
they're
my
office
anyway,
mr.
BA
sir
I've,
spoken
to
everybody,
that's
in
the
green
tears,
the
the
green
and
all
of
them
are
very
excited
a
couple
of
interesting
questions
that
have
come
out
of
that,
one
of
which
kind
of
flew
in
the
face
of
a
decision
we
had
made
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
that
was.
Is
there
any
possibility
of
a
transition
period
between
the
old
city
manager
and
me
coming
on
board?
If
I'm
selected?
AI
That's
a
decision
for
you
to
make,
it
does
have
a
financial
impact.
Obviously,
but
there
are
several
who
have
Franklin
question:
how
come
there's
so
much
time
between
the
time
I
negotiated
contract
and
the
time
I
come
on
board,
and
the
answer
was
that
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
there
was
a
smooth
transition
on
their
end
and
also
frankly,
our
current
city
manager
was
uncomfortable
with
peering
over
someone's
shoulder
as
they
attempted
to
slide
into
place
where
I
in
their
shoes
I
would
have
mixed
feelings
about
it.
AI
But
the
ones
that
have
expressed
the
most
interests
interest
are
the
ones
who,
based
on
my
research
and
and
my
research
is
Google.
Thank
you,
but
based
on
my
research
and
the
information
available
are
some
of
the
most
highly
qualified.
So
it's
that's
a
decision
that
you'll
need
to
be
thinking
about
making
going
forward,
don't
need
it
today,
but
I
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
that
question
has
been
raised.
Another
question
that's
been
raised,
and
this
is
Florida.
AI
We
have
rather
robust
open
records
laws,
and
so
that
issue
has
come
up
as
far
as
who's
applied
who's,
not
so
on
and
so
forth.
We
do
have
some
very.
We
have
some
very
strong
candidates
that
we'll
be
applying
moving
forward
that
have
called
me
and
they
have
frankly
said
I'm
not
going
to
wait
until
I'm
gonna
wait
until
the
very
last
day,
because
I,
don't
I
I,
like
my
job
and
I,
want
to
keep
my
job
if
I'm
not
selected
for
your
job.
B
AI
E
Would
seem,
in
my
opinion,
if
somebody
if
they
were
that
act
that
one
of
the
top
candidates
or
they
were
our
top
choice
and
they
they
chose
to
have
some
kind
of
a
a
interim
period
of
working.
You
know
when
the
current
city
manager
said
that
could
be
a
negotiated
item
that
we
could,
as
a
council,
so
I
know,
I
would
seem
like
we
could
negotiate
that
I,
don't
know.
How
do
you
all
feel
about
that?
I.
H
B
B
AI
B
Your
timeline
states,
you
will
have
a
city
manager,
hired
contract,
approved
on
July,
8th
yeah,
which
is
the
last
meeting
in
July
before
you
go
on
bring
if
they
want
to
start
in
August
if
they
can,
if
they
want
to
start
in
September
I'm
amenable
to
that.
Staying
if
they're
comfortable
with
that
and.
H
AI
E
AI
I-I-I-I
fully
expect
five
to
seven
highly
qualified
people
to
submit
over
the
course
of
the
next
four
weeks
for
which
it's
open.
It's
actually
down
to
three
and
a
half
weeks,
and
you
will
have
some
difficult
choices
to
make
I
think
just
the
ones
we
have
today.
I
think
would
be
an
interesting
discussion
for
you
and,
as
you
noticed,
I
put
some
Possible's
in
there.
AI
Those
may
be
attractive
to
you
or
not
it's,
but
the
Greens
I
feel
very
good
about,
and
the
reasons
I
feel
good
about
is
I
have
spoken
with
each
one
and
I've
done
some
Google
searches,
the
best
thing
I.
Can
that
can
happen
in
that
process?
Is
Zippo
nothing's
out
there,
no
nasty
grams,
maybe
a
mention
in
the
minutes
of
a
City
Hall
meet
City
Council
meeting.
What
have
zero
is
good.
G
AI
I'd
be
happy
to
what
I
envision
as
we
move
towards
the
the
interview
date
would
possibly
get.
Having
would
be
to
possibly
have
a
meeting
with
them
and
just
talk
about
what
their
expectations
are.
I
will
be
sitting
with
them
during
the
day
of
the
interviews.
Jeff
and
Courtney
will
be
herding
cats
so
to
speak,
and
we
have
found
a
nice
15
passenger
van,
not
the
way
I
need
15,
but
we've
got
a
nice
15
passenger
van
set
up
through
Gettle
for
the
unbelievable
price
of
$50
for
the
day.
E
AI
H
O
E
AI
Of
the
what
I
would
call
the
top-shelf
candidates,
in
fact,
to
a
person
they
have
said
I'm
looking
for
I'm,
not
this
I'm,
not
looking
to
balance
I'm
pleased
that
your
city
manager
has
been
there
15
years.
That
indicates
that
there
is
a
potential
for
stability
there.
You
will
see
if
you
look
at
their
work
history,
as
some
of
them
have
bounced
around
a
bit
and
if
you
see
in
their
political
changes
political
changes
that
it's
not
uncommon
for
a
city
manager
to
lose
the
job.
P
AI
O
O
B
AI
E
E
G
G
X
The
first
project
is
Ponce
de
Leon
Park
that
includes
remedial
repairs
to
the
boardwalk,
the
seawall
on
the
pier
design
and
bidding
in
2020
and
construction
to
be
done
in
2021,
using
sales
tax
and
special
use
funds,
approximately
$300,000
is
estimated.
Staff
did
receive
the
60%
plans
for
seawall
boardwalk
and
piling
improvements
and,
as
you
may
have
noticed,
the
boardwalk
was
closed
for
geotechnical
testing
over
the
I.
Think
it's
happened
over
the
course
of
the
last
couple
days,
so
that
project
is
moving
forward.
X
X
You
all
know
that
you
went
up
to
the
county
to
have
this
discussion
and
they
agreed
the
County
Commission
agreed
to
move
forward
with
the
development
of
an
MS
bu
for
Charlotte
Park,
subject
to
sewer
program
city
to
provide
additional
information
to
the
county
regarding
consultants
scoring
of
priority
areas
in
master
plan,
integrates
City
utility
areas,
city
to
initiate
us
rate
study,
to
determine
the
fiscal
impact
of
both
sewer
and
wastewater
treatment
plant
projects.
This
one
continues
to
push
forward.
You.
X
Veterans
Park,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
during
the
CRA
report.
It's
just
those
handrails
that
we're
waiting
for
for
the
gazebo
and
our
Public
Works
Department
is
pretty
serious.
They're
gonna
drive
up
and
get
them.
If
we
don't
get
them
down
here.
Pretty
quick,
the
alligator
Creek
pedestrian
bridge
is
substantially
complete.
The
only
piece
left
is
getting
the
lights
turned
on
by
FPL
Melissa.
H
AJ
H
B
H
AJ
Yes,
that
is
one
of
them.
There
are
two
areas
that
they
can.
A
group
of
them
wants
to
do
with
their
group
wants
to
do
what
elsewhere
a
group
wants
to
do
it
in
separate
area,
so
they're
still
working
to
curd
them
all
together
onto
one
fire
and
and
actually
we're
just
waiting
for
them
to
meet
and
and
come
to
that
consensus,
we'll
work
with
them,
whatever
they
decide
to
do.
Okay,.
A
E
AJ
AJ
E
X
The
Local
Option
Sales
Tax
Committee
has
finished
their
work.
They
have
the
list
ready
for
you
and
it
will
be
formally
presenting
that
at
the
April
1st
meeting,
and
this
is
a
complete
list
of
all
of
the
projects
that
they're
recommending
and
then
I
did
also
send
you
a
sheet
that
has
all
of
the
detailed
dollar
amounts
that
go
with
each
of
these
projects,
and
that
is
also
on
our
website.
So
the
public
can
take
a
look
at
what
the
committee
came
up
with
and
Buckley's
past
I
have
been
getting
a
lot
of
calls.
X
The
last
couple
days
about
Buckley's,
past
and
and
people
do
understand
that
it
is
an
April
completion
date
and
we
have
that
ribbon-cutting
scheduled
for
April
20th
at
9:00
a.m.
gentleman's
putting
that
together
and
she's
had
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
community
and
being
involved
in
and
making
that
happen.
J
G
I've
shared
the
information
already,
but
but
the
Commodore
of
the
Isles
Yacht
Club
makes
is
willing
to
make
boats
available
for
city
officials
to
be
on
boats
to
go
and
do
a
ribbon
cutting.
If
we
do
it
on
water
and
I'd
like
to
incorporate
them.
If
we
can,
because
they
they
really
reached
out
to
me
a
couple
months
ago
and
absolute,
they
could
be
part
of
it.
So
it
would
be.
It
would
be
very
beneficial
and.
X
C
Would
be
important
to
keep
in
mind
the
Sunshine
Law
requirements
with
respect
to
having
a
very
small
area
that
only
the
City
Council
members
can
attend.
It
was
on
a
boat
there's
there's
like
Attorney
General
opinions
regarding
Boston
trips
and
things
that
the
press
were
unable
to
attend
or
the
public
was
unable
to
attend
because
of
limited
capabilities.
So.
C
X
Important
advice
I
have
a
sense
that
anybody
that
would
want
to
get
on
boat.
We
probably
do
have
enough
capacity
with
the
number
of
volunteers
that
want
to
be
involved
that
we
could
actually,
whether
it's
press
or
or
just
residents
in
general,
that
we
we
can
find
them
a
way
to
be
on
a
boat
during
that
time.
E
B
C
U
U
We
have
kind
of
a
unique
situation
where
we
had
three
individuals
nominated,
but
since
the
nominations
were
made,
one
gentleman
indicated,
as
mr.
Flom
indicated
he
no
longer
wish
to
be
considered.
Therefore,
we
have
two
nominees
for
two
seats.
So
there's
really
I
don't
see
any
point
in
voting.
So
if
you
would
just
like
to
make
a
motion
to
appoint
those
two
individuals
we'll
do
it
that
way.
D
U
E
U
E
E
X
J
W
J
Just
a
follow-up
on
the
air
show
I
think
getting
the
logistics
of
all
the
parking
and
how
people
the
flow
of
people
will
be
very
important.
This
even
to
the
point,
there
was
a
comment
made
that
should
people
be
on
the
bridges
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
unwise
for
people
to
be
watching
it
from
the
bridges,
because
you're
now
in
a
very
confined
space.
L
O
J
H
G
Even
getting
texts
from
time
to
time,
but
next
but
I,
think
it's
Monday.
Monday
I
am
meeting
Wayne
from
FDOT
in
front
of
the
building
at
City
Hall
and
we're
gonna.
Do
a
ride-along
and
I'm
gonna.
Take
him
on
a
little
tour
of
the
area
to
show
him
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
talking
about
because
trying
to
explain
things
on
the
phone:
logistically,
it
doesn't
compute.
So
I
told
them.
Why?
Don't
you
come
up
here
and
we'll
get
in
the
car
and
we'll
drive
around
and
I'll?
G
Show
you
some
of
these
things
such
as
Madrid
such
as
the
Carmelita
intersection,
such
as
the
interstate
signage,
such
as
the
alignment
of
Taylor
and
Royal
Poinciana,
and
oh
these
kinds
of
things
so
we're
gonna
do
a
little
ride-along
and
Howard's
gonna
meet
him
before
we
get
in
the
car
and
go
but
I
think
that'll
be
very
helpful.
Also.
They
have
asked
that
they
could
postpone
their
corridor
vision,
presentation
to
the
MPO
board
to
the
May
meeting,
because
they
are
going
to
be
meeting
with
all
of
us
with
one-on-ones
next
week.
G
G
Heritage
Museum
and
the
and
the
wall,
however,
does
southbound
ones
are
at
the
wrong
exit
and
I.
Don't
that's
one
of
the
things
I
plan
to
show
him
next
week,
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
that,
especially
with
the
March
28th
event,
people
are
going
to
be
really
really
confused
and
then
the
other
thing
is.
Somebody
asked
me
a
couple
weeks
ago.
Every
time
I
wear
one
of
my
city's
shirts.
Somebody
asked
me
where
they
can
get.
B
We
could
we
explore.
Of
course
we
can
the
reason
we
have
restricted
it
to
only
city.
Employees
is
because
it
shows
where
city
employees
and-
and
so
the
people
know
that
we
work
for
the
city
like
these
little
nametags
here
for
those
of
us
who
don't
have
a
shirt
but
our
crews
and
our
code
officers
and
police
officers,
they
all
have
a
uniform
that
designates
they're
with
the
city
employment.
J
G
G
X
Yes,
we
have
already
started
exploring
that
that
exact
idea
we
do
need
to
work
on
getting
the
logo
trademark
before
we
move
into
that.
But
we've
got
that
in
process
with
attorney
Levin's
office
at
this
time
and
I'm
going
a
hundred
percent
support
of
selling
logo
items
through
the
city
and
having
things
a
coffee.
G
G
E
E
G
H
G
G
D
Thing
I
was
in
a
bit
last
night
and
so
I
got
to
meet
the
new.
The
new
county,
ministration
leadership,
because
universe
and
ruckus
retiring
on
Friday,
so
Hector
Florez
is
the
new
administrator.
The
deputy
is
Emily
Lewis.
Then
you
traverse
Mortimer
and
Claire
job
as
the
assistant
county
administrators.
So
just
as
a
Friday,
the
county's
gonna
have
a
whole
new
slate
of
people
in
their
leadership.
Mm-Hmm.
E
P
Brad
gamblin
and
I'm
actually
having
my
fun
Agora
rotary,
had
on
past
president
and
I
want
to
thank
the
city
staff,
specifically
fire
police
and
the
staff
in
helping
us
put
together
a
very
successful
taste
of
Punta
Gorda.
We
had
over
30
restaurants,
80
vendors
and
not-for-profits.
We
had
the
boogie
man,
we
had
a
great
time.
We
have
raised
a.
We
don't
know
how
much
yet,
but
we
raised
a
great
deal
of
money
for
us
anyway.
P
That
will
find
its
way
back
into
a
good
deal
of
it
into
our
community
and
to
other
charitable
endeavors
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
thank
the
council
in
the
city
and
everyone
for
allowing
us
to
enjoy
the
weekend
and
by
the
way,
I
don't
know
if
the
city
had
anything
to
do
with
it.
We
couldn't
had
better
weather
on
that
Sunday
after
worrying
about
it
all.
While.