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From YouTube: Regular Council Meeting 8-25-2021
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Regular Council Meeting 8-25-2021
B
B
C
B
D
C
Good
morning
it's
nine
o'clock
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
august
25th,
2021
city,
council
and
community
redevelopment
agency
agenda.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
you
please
stand
and
join
me
for
the
invocation
followed
by
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
E
Thank
you,
city
council.
Would
you
join
me
in
prayer
father?
We
welcome
your
presence
here
today
and
we
ask
for
your
peace
for
those
in
cuba
as
they
make
their
voices
heard.
We
ask
for
your
strength
and
your
equipment
in
haiti
as
they
recover
from
their
earthquake
and
father.
We
ask
for
your
protection
and
your
care
over
those
that
are
desperately
trying
to
get
out
of
afghanistan.
E
C
C
First,
let
me
announce
that
for
those
who
may
be
present
for
the
presentation
on
the
huey
helicopter
at
the
request
of
the
applicant,
that
item
has
been
pulled
from
the
agenda
today,
so
we
will
not
be
discussing
that
today.
So
if
you
were
here
for
that,
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
will
be
brought
back
forward
at
another
point
in
the
future.
They.
C
Yeah,
if
you,
if
you
when
we
get
to
citizen
comments,
if
you're
here
for
that
agenda
item-
and
he
would
like
to
make
comments,
we
can
certainly
listen
to
your
comments
on
that
item.
So
we
come
to
the
the
public
input
part
of
the
meeting.
If
there
is
any
citizen
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
the
council
on
any
agenda
item
or
anything
else,
that's
on
your
mind.
You
can
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
C
C
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council
members,
not
the
audience
and
not
any
one.
Individual
person,
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
allowed
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
be
heard.
Speakers
should
be
requested
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
No
applause,
no
booing
no
comments
back
and
forth
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
C
The
citizens
comments
section
at
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
period.
It
is
recommended
that
board
members
refrain
from
asking
impromptu
questions
or
trying
to
debate
with
members
of
the
council
and
with
that,
if
there
are
any
residents
that
would
like
to
come
and
speak
and
speak,
we
don't
you
know.
I
just
looked
at
my
agenda.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
didn't
mess
up
because
ray
came
forward
and
we
have
presentations
after
this.
F
Good
morning
my
name
is
gary
butler
and
I
serve
as
the
executive
director
of
the
military
heritage
museum
and
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
of
the
challenge
of
moving
the
huey
helicopter
to
the
wall,
and
I
know
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
since
I
got
up
this
morning
to
do
that,
I'm
going
to
have
my
two
three
minutes
in
the
museum.
We
tell
lots
of
stories.
Most
of
these
stories
are
done,
war
of
gettysburg.
F
They
were
world
war,
one
trenches,
the
navajo
code,
talkers
they're
over,
but
in
the
hall
of
heroes,
there's
a
model
and
the
model
was
created
by
students
of
charlotte
county
several
years
ago.
It
was
a
model
that
was
used
to
spread.
The
word
share
the
news
about
the
opportunity
to
build
a
vietnam
memorial
wall
in
in
the
in
the
city
within
the
city
limits
it's
a
beautiful
model
and
soon
groundbreaking
took
place
in
that
model.
Is
the
wall?
F
F
G
My
name
is
ashley
maher
I
like
gary
I'm
here
for
the
huey,
and
I'm
also
here
wearing
two
hats.
First,
as
the
chief
executive
officer
of
the
charlotte
community
foundation
and
second
as
a
daughter
of
a
vietnam
veteran
in
our
local
community,
also,
the
mother
of
two
young
boys,
one
who
had
the
opportunity
to
spend
part
of
their
summer
at
the
military
heritage.
Museum's
history
camp
got
to
see
the
huey
come
down
thanks
to
gus,
who
I
don't
know
if
they're
here.
G
But
so
I
guess
that's
three
things
that
I'm
wearing
hats
for
today,
but
I
just
on
both
the
community
foundation
side
and
as
a
community
member
and
especially
during
the
times
we
live
in.
We
can't
change
history
at
all
and
we've
seen
more
and
more
in
the
last
few
years
it
going
away
or
taking
different
things
down,
and
we
have
this
tremendous
opportunity
in
our
community
to
keep
something.
G
It
would
just
be
a
tremendous
loss
for
our
community
if
we
weren't
able
to
relocate
it
there.
The
wall
exists
there,
there's
history,
we
can't
change
that,
but
we
can
preserve
it
and
for
me
having
a
five
and
ten-year-old.
I
hope
that
our
community
would
think
that
that's
important
enough
to
do
so,
especially
for
the
voices
that
didn't
make
it
home
and
weren't
able
to
do
that
on
their
own
behalf,
so
in
full
support
from
the
community
foundation
and
to
echo
what
gary
said.
G
H
I
My
name
is
gary
snow.
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
about
something
that's
a
little
bit
controversial
in
this
county
and
specifically
this
town.
I
want
to
commend
every
single
one
of
these
council
members
for
not
only
passing
but
defending
the
ordinance
against.
I
don't
know
the
specific
ordinance,
but
it's
against
the
foul
language.
I
don't
understand
why
your
city
is
under
siege
by
these
first
amendment.
Auditors,
you
used
to
have
two
of
them.
One
of
them
is
serving
five
years
in
federal
prison
right
now
because
he
was
banned.
I
He
was
trespassed
from
every
government
building
because
of
free
speech
allowed
him
to
go
into
every
government
building
and
attack
government
officials
who
I
they
see
as
low-hanging
fruit,
they're
easy
targets,
and
they
all
do
this
for
youtube
content
for
video
content
that
they
can
put
on
the
internet
and
they
can
ask
people
to
pay
them
money,
so
they
can
go
out
here
and
terrorize
this
community
andrew
sheets.
You
may
not
say
it's.
This
ordinance
is
specifically
for
andrew.
I
say
it
is
and
I
commend
you
for
doing
it.
I
I've
been
waiting
for
somebody
to
do
something.
I
don't
understand.
I
just
talked
to
this
gentleman:
I'm
sorry
not
supposed
to
refer
to
the.
I
talked
to
him
about
this
issue
just
now,
and
he
said
you
just
have
to
live
with
it.
I
say:
no,
you
don't
have
to
live
with
it.
No
we're
not
going
to
sit
here
while
this
gentleman
goes
to
our
schools
and
stands
in
front
of
our
schools.
Under
the
guise
of
free
speech
and
terrorizes,
our
children
terrorizes
a
nine-year-old
girl.
Emma
vann
goes
to
her
school
specifically
to
protest.
I
Her
he's
a
56
year
old,
bully
and
uses
the
internet
to
push
his
propaganda.
He
doesn't
like
the
police.
I
understand
that,
but
he
uses
the
internet
not
only
to
raise
funds
but
to
push
his
anti-police
propaganda
on
this,
the
city
this
county-
and
I
commend
you-
he
showed
up
to
every
single
one
of
your
homes
to
protest.
I
He
got
pulled
over
a
couple
weeks
ago
had
60
signs
in
his
trunk.
This
guy
commits
four
to
five
hours
a
day
to
protest.
This
is
his
job.
This
is
what
he
does.
He
terrorizes
this
community
and
I
would
love
to
see
more
people
stand
up.
Of
course,
you
can't
do
anything
because
he's
not
breaking
the
law.
If
I
stand
up,
if
I
go
out
to
the
street,
if
I
stand
in
front
of
the
farmer's
market
and
say
anything
to
andy
interview,
him,
I'm
a
stalker,
he
takes
me
to
court.
I
I
just
I.
I
commend
the
lawyer
for
sticking
up
and
he
hired
his
own
lawyers
and
he
recorded
a
conversation
with
his
own
lawyers,
and
they
said
you
know
what
you
need
to
do,
go
out
and
do
more
homework,
which
means
go
out
and
cause
more
conflicts.
They
need
something
in
order
to
sue
this
city
and
they
probably
will
so
andy
has
chosen
to
go
to
every
school,
and
I
me
personally
I'm
trying
to
do
everything
I
can
do
legally.
I
I
don't
wish
harm
on
andy.
I
don't
wish
harm
on
these
first
amendment,
auditors
that
come
into
this
community,
but
I
wish
the
people
understand.
Andy
is
not
fighting
for
my
right
to
free
speech,
he's
not
fighting
for
anybody's
right
to
free
speech,
he's
fighting
for
his
own
agenda
and
his
own
financial
gains.
Thank.
J
I
C
K
K
5000
was
going
to
find
five
thousand
dollars
for
irreparable
harm
to
the
community
using
a
citation
that
was
only
a
hundred
dollars
has
ballooned
up
to
five
thousand
dollars,
and
I
just
worry
that
any
kind
of
ordinance
that
you
have
the
attorney
can
say
that
was
irreparably
harmed.
If
I
chopped
down
a
tree
or
if
I
kept
my
grass
too
too
high
or
wasn't
in
community
standards,
you'd
be
offended
by
it,
and
if
I
corrected
the
situation,
he
can
correct
the
situation
by
taking
down
the
sign.
K
I
love
prentagorda.
I've
raised
my
children
here.
I
think
you're
doing
a
great
job
and
I
know
you
have
a
difficult
problem,
but
you
know
public
indecency.
What
was
considered
indecent
now,
just
in
2003
gay
people,
didn't
have
the
right
to
to
for
their
jobs
or
equal
protection
under
the
law
and
having
lived
in
new
york
city,
my
whole
life
and
knowing
a
lot
of
homosexual
individuals.
K
K
C
H
Morning
my
name
is
kevin.
Prentice,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
this
same
thing.
The
we
had
a
meeting
last
week
and
the
sheriff
came
in
and
the
sheriff
even
said
that
the
law
is
unconstitutional
you're.
Looking
at
taking
away
our
first
amendment
rights,
you've
unanimously
passed
mass
mandate
upon
mass
mandate
upon
mass
mandate
to
take
away
our
constitutional
rights.
You
are
all
being
recalled,
you
don't
know
it.
We've
been
having
meetings
in
our
homes.
We
are
recalling
all
five
of
you,
even
the
ones
that
aren't
up
for
every
election.
C
Okay,
seeing
none
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
has
submitted
a
resume
for
a
border
committee
and
you'd
like
to
introduce
yourself
to
the
council?
Please
come
to
the
podium
and
introduce
yourself
and
you'll.
Have
three
minutes:
okay,
saying
none!
The
first
item
on
our
maid
agenda
is
we
have
two
service
awards
that
are
going
to
be
given
today
for
employees
and
long
tenure
and
our
our
guys
from
the
fire
department
are
here
to
help
us
do
this.
M
Good
morning
holden
gibbs
operations,
chief
on
a
quarter
fire
department.
We
had
two
service
awards.
The
first
one
was
for
daniel
felico.
Unfortunately,
daniel
had
a
family
emergency
and
he
was
unable
to
to
make
it
this
morning.
So
we
will
be
presenting
heads
at
the
firehouse,
the
second
service
door,
we'll
be
able
to.
M
Absolutely
it
is
my
pleasure
to
recognize
lieutenant
steve
richardson
with
this
10
year.
Service
award
steve
currently
holds
the
rank
of
lieutenant
paramedic
with
the
city
as
a
lieutenant
medic.
He
is
responsible
for
initial
scene
management
of
both
fire
and
medical
calls.
In
addition
to
managing
a
fire
station
and
personnel.
M
M
M
B
O
C
J
C
D
D
It
specifically
says
the
city
of
punta
gorda
has
earned
the
government
finance
officers
association,
distinguished
budget
presentation
award
for
a
budget
document
again
this
year.
The
award
represents
a
significant
achievement
by
the
city.
It
reflects
the
commitment
of
the
city
and
staff
to
meeting
the
highest
principles
of
government
budgeting.
The
budget
award
is
granted
based
on
satisfying
nationally
recognized
guidelines
for
effective
budget
presentation.
These
guidelines
are
designed
to
assess
how
well
an
entity's
budget
serves
as
a
policy
document,
a
financial
plan,
an
operations
guide
and
a
communications
device.
D
Budget
documents
must
be
rated
proficient
in
all
four
categories
and
in
the
14
mandatory
criteria
within
those
categories
to
receive
the
award.
The
city's
finance
department
consists
of
21
dedicated
employees
responsible
for
maintaining
the
integrity
of
the
financial
management
functions
within
the
municipality
functions
include
accounting,
auditing
procurement,
financial
reporting,
cash
management,
accounts
payable
billing
and
collections
and
payroll
services
for
all
the
city
departments.
Other
responsibilities
include
cash
and
investment
management
functions
and
internal
audits.
The
department
is
a
custodian
of
all
city
funds.
D
The
finance
department
safeguards
the
city's
financial
assets
and
provides
financial
information
to
all
users.
They
collect
and
disperse
all
funds
to
ensure
proper
financial
processes
are
maintained.
The
finance
team
also
oversees
the
development
and
implementation
of
the
annual
operating
budget
and
five-year
capital
improvement
plan
in
conjunction
with
the
strategic
plan
and
in
conformance
with
the
city's
financial
policies,
all
city
operations
benefit
from
the
impressions
impressive
service
level
offered.
So
with
that,
you
can
see
the
scope
and
impact
of
the
services
provided
by
the
finance
department.
D
Certainly,
if
you
try
to
purchase
something
or
need
money
for
some
purpose,
you
can
firsthand
find
out
how
detailed
their
processes
are
and
how
nothing
slips
through
the
cracks
they
make
sure
every
dollar
is
spent
appropriately
and
we
get
the
biggest
bang
for
our
bucks.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
that
into
the
record
officially
and
thank
kristen
and
her
team
for
everything.
D
That's
been
done
to
keep
us
on
the
straight
and
narrow
and
make
sure,
as
we
move
forward,
that
we're
moving
forward
in
a
fiscally
responsive
and
an
efficient
manner
as
we
monitor
city
operations.
So,
thank
you
again.
I
know
you've
heard
it
before,
but
you
certainly
do
a
great
job
and
your
whole
team,
which
is
substantial,
does
a
good
job
with
all
the
responsibility
that
you've
been
given.
So
thank
you.
Okay,.
Q
And
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
also,
it
is
a
team
effort.
It
starts
with
the
citizens
comments
and
providing
feedback
on
projects
on
you
know
all
of
our
budgets
that
we
provide,
as
well
as
city
council,
providing
their
feedback
as
well
and
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
provide
that
information
as
well
as
city
manager
and
down
to
the
department,
heads
and
division
supervisors
and,
of
course,
my
whole
staff
and
team
who
helped
to
put
all
of
this
information
together.
Again,
it's
a
very
large
book.
It
does
provide
lots
of
detail
about.
Q
C
C
C
Okay,
we
were
called
to
order
the
community
redevelopment
agency
meeting
and
let
the
record
reflect
reflect
that
all
cra
members
are
here
with
the
exception
of
mr
dryberg,
who
has
been
excused
for
today's
meeting,
and
I
will
turn
this
over
to
oh,
I
guess
we
got
to
just
set
up
some
comments.
First,
if
there
are
any
citizen
comments
on
cra
agenda
items,
you
can
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
C
C
R
D
Thank
you
there's
a
lot
that's
going
on
in
the
cra,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
the
support
to
make
all
this
happen.
The
first
detail
in
the
packet
is
the
specific,
active
and
pending
projects
which
goes
into
substantial
detail,
we'll
get
into
a
lot
of
that
as
we
go
through
the
summary.
But
the
first
thing
we
typically
talk
about
is
municipal,
marina
activity
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
been
substantial
activity
in
the
past
month
we
have
our
annuals
that
are
still
in.
As
far
as
the
32
and
33.
D
I'm
trying
to
get
the
pointer
to
work.
That's
what
so.
We
have
our
annual
slip,
rentals
that
are
still
consistent
with
last
year
or
semi-annual.
We
still
have
only
two.
If
you
look
at
our
monthlies
and
transients
they'll
add
those
together.
Last
year
there
were
20
this
year,
there's
19
so
where
the
monthlies
were
not
the
transients
have
filled
in
as
far
as
slip
usage.
So
we
still
have
a
full
marina,
the
commercial
moorings.
We
still
have
14
each
that's.
D
Basically
the
freedom
boat
club
that
has
the
14
commercial
slips
on
the
mooring
balls.
We've
had
an
uptick
in
usage
as
people
come
in
and
out
the
liveaboards.
We
still
are
consistent.
There
community
room,
we're
still
having
some
usage
of
the
community
room,
including
some
of
the
city
operations
that
we've
used
the
room
for
different
meetings
and
events.
When
we
look
at
the
pump
outs,
you
can
see
that
in
july
there
was
substantial
amount
of
use
and
we
would
expect
that
uptech
people
using
their
boats
etc
in
warmer
weather.
D
Here
you
can
see
that
there
were
114
pump
outs
for
2385
gallons
pumped
that's
more
than
last
month
more
than
last
year
and
the
number
of
miles
traveled
is
182.
So
there
were
a
lot
of
boots
coming
in
going
out
a
lot
of
usage
and
even
more
on
the
mooring
balls,
so
we're
getting
some
good
usage
and
helping
to
protect
the
environment
through
that
service,
that's
provided
and
that
we
have
grant
money
that
helps
fund
when
we
get
into
our
projects.
D
D
D
Urban
design
and
june
specifically
has
worked
tirelessly
to
get
this
complete,
and
certainly
that
will
be
a
nice
addition
when
we
get
to
veterans
day
and
all
the
different
functions
that
the
park
houses.
So
we're
certainly
pleased
that
that's
now
complete
and
that
people
can
view
those
view
the
memorials
to
their
loved
ones
and
that
it
has
made
such
a
nice
addition
to
the
park
in
front
of
the
mural.
D
When
we
look
at
harbor
walk
phase,
two,
all
the
parking
improvements
that
we
have.
You
can
see
the
improvements
that
have
been
generally
approved
and
ones
that
were
not
that
were
left
out
that
you
see
hatched
the
swift
mud
has
approved
the
permit.
They
actually
had
staff
that
came
out
and
walked
gilchrist
and
decided
they
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
everything.
They've
approved
the
permit.
Now
we
have
final
construction
plans
and
staff's
working
on
the
solicitation
package
for
construction
and
construction
management
services.
D
That'll
take
a
little
bit
of
time
and
when
we
get
the
pricing
back,
of
course,
we'll
be
in
here
to
discuss
that
we'll
need
to
talk
about
total
price
and
any
additional
monies
that
are
needed
when
we
get
to
the
next
one,
which
is
the
splash
pad.
That's
coming
along
very
nicely.
We
have
the
100
plans
that
some
minor
details
are
being
changed
that
needed
to
be
corrected.
D
So
drc
proved
that
a
general
concept
on
july
30
when
we
get
those
final
documents,
we'll
get
some
pricing
when
we
put
that
out-
and
you
can
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
the
amenities
that
have
been
requested
here.
We've
got
the
buckets,
and
you
know
the
little
water
cannons
and
little
squirting
flowers
and
all.
D
Things
for
the
top
areas
in
the
five
to
twelve
areas,
so
as
well
as
the
seating
walls
and
just
the
amenity
itself
and
the
way
it
enhances
the
park.
It
would
be
a
very
nice
addition
to
the
fountain
that
was
already
there,
the
existing
fountain.
It
would
certainly
improve
the
amenities
and
what
the
kids
and
parents
have
to
look
forward
to
in
lashley
park.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
that
price
is
and
then
getting
back
to
you.
D
D
D
Obviously
we
have
something
there.
That's
an
asset
to
the
community
that
we,
you
know
was
set
in
place.
We
had
some
structural
issues
and,
of
course
the
interior
needs
complete
rehab.
We
didn't
really
have
the
elevations
and
the
architectural
plans
to
work
from
when
the
contractor
is
going
to
be
doing
and
completing
the
rehabilitation
work.
D
We
have
all
that
finished
now
we're
working
on
the
comprehensive
building,
evaluation
and
report.
We
also,
of
course,
submitted
for
the
grant.
Urban
design
has
worked
on
that
and
it
seems
like
that
might
have
gotten
through
the
first
hurdle.
We
should
know
by
the
end
of
next
month,
whether
or
not
that
grant
money
will
be
forthcoming,
so
hopefully
that
500
000
will
supplement
what
we
have
in
the
budget
and
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
project
is
currently
between
the
different
departments
for
different
purposes.
D
D
Of
course,
it
does
take
a
lot
of
staff
time
and
work
to
make
that
happen,
but
10
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money
that
we're
trying
to
bring
in
to
help
offset
costs
for
the
city
and
in
the
case
of
some
of
these,
if
we
get
some
of
that
money,
then
the
current
money
that's
allocated
can
be
used
for
other
projects,
so
the
historic
neighborhood
initiative.
Obviously
the
decorative
street
lights
on
the
four
concrete
poles
are
up.
We
have
11
of
the
13
led
lights.
D
Two
should
be
installed
very
soon,
and
it
really
makes
a
difference
in
the
area.
It
looks
very
nice
and
certainly
that
led
lighting,
that's
directed
where
it
needs
to
be,
makes
an
improvement
in
that
area
in
general,
when
we
get
to
the
tribute
plaques
and
dedication
we
talked
about
that
before
and
when
fishville,
of
course,
fisherman's
village
with
the
sale
of
that
and
some
of
the
requirements
subsequent
to
that
were
to
install
the
punta
gorda
pathways
tribute
harbor
walk
plaques
in
gilchrist
park.
D
D
You
can
see
that
staff
has
worked
to
make
sure
we
have
something
very
nice
there
and
we
have
to
specifically
thank
theresa,
martha
in
the
pontegorda
history
center
for
providing
the
plaque
verbiage
and
the
photo
that's
actually
being
used
and
working
with
the
tribute
family
to
make
sure
we
get
that
to
completion
in
an
acceptable
way.
That
will
enhance
the
information
that's
in
the
park
for
all
to
see.
So
we
certainly
appreciate
that.
D
The
government
center
we've
had
issues
where
we
need
to
make
sure
we
secure
our
property
just
so
that
there
is
no
opportunity
that
people
may,
especially
in
the
evenings
or
when
they're
parking
in
there,
that
people
do
not
take
routes
that
cause
them
to
trip
and
fall
or
put
them
in
jeopardy,
which
may
then
cause
the
city
liability.
So
with
that
just
like,
when
we
have
outside
our
annex
building,
you
can
see
the
fencing
that
we
have
we'll
install
around
our
lot.
D
The
regular
fencing
that
will
allow
people
then
to
take
the
standard
exits
that
are
designated
and
provided
so
that
there's
no
liability
for
the
city.
That
project
typically
or
initially,
was
about
75
000,
with
some
ramping
and
different
things,
but
by
using
just
the
fencing
and
then
using
the
existing
ingress
and
egress.
D
Then
we
have
the
project:
berry
street,
the
tidal
bridge,
the
lighting.
You
can
see
that
we'll
be
adding.
You
know
three
here
two
over
here
to
enhance
the
existing
lighting
that
is
already
on
the
street.
So
hopefully,
when
you
get
past
berry
street,
that
will
help
light
up
that
pathway
in
the
the
darker
hours
of
the
evening,
as
people
use
that
to
not
only
traverse
the
harbor
walk
but
across
the
tidal
bridge
up
to
fisherman's
village
et
cetera.
D
T
U
T
As
long
as
they
use
the
appropriate
roots,
the
only
reason
why
we
were
putting
in
a
ramp
is
because
we
were
trying
to
in
essence
create
a
shortcut-
oh
okay,
to
the
us-41
sidewalk,
but
there
already
are
accessible
routes
to
that.
Okay,
so
yeah
this
kind
of
forces
them
to
take
that
route.
Okay,
thanks!
Yes,.
R
B
C
V
This
is
a
legislative
ordinance.
So
therefore,
it's
not
quasi-judicial
and
no
one
needs
to
be
sworn,
and
I
will
read
this
ordinance
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
chapter
7,
building
regulations,
article
5
flood,
plain
management,
punta
gorda
code,
committing
section
107.4
to
reflect
the
current
chapter
in
the
florida
building
code,
existing
building
relating
to
historic
buildings,
amending
section
202
definitions
by
providing
a
new
definition
for
accessory
structure.
J
W
Good
morning,
randall
cole,
chief
building
official,
the
main
reason
for
this
ordinance
change
amendment
is
to
bring
the
mobile
manufactured
mobile
home
parks
into
compliance
with
the
nfip,
as
dictated
by
the
community
rating
system,
which
is
the
system
we
use
whereby
the
activities
that
the
city
participates
in
gives
us
our
class
five
rating
that
we
have
that
reduces
our
flood
insurance
rates.
The
balance
of
it
was
basically
cleaning
things
up
to
more
closely
match
the
floor
to
building
code
and
other
nfip
requirements,
but
the
manufacturer
homes
going
to
a
base.
C
C
B
C
X
So,
just
a
few
talking
points,
we
made
a
few
updates
at
the
request
of
our
facilities,
maintenance
supervisor.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
required
for
any
event
electrical
work.
The
contractor
be
licensed
and
provide
a
copy
of
their
license
to
them
prior
to
starting
their
work.
So
we
included
that
into
the
event
manual.
X
The
main
changes
were
the
right-of-way
closures,
so
we
reinstated
rental
and
maintenance
of
traffic
fees.
We
provided
specific
exemptions.
We
limited
street
closures
to
one
per
licensed
business
per
calendar
year.
They
do
require
city
council
and
we
defined
a
street
any
right
of
way
planted
at
20
feet
or
wider.
X
Then
we
added
alley
closures,
because
we
do
have
a
couple
of
those
from
time
to
time
maximum
of
one
per
license
business
per
calendar
year.
That
would
only
require
development
review
committee
approval
and
that
is
any
right
of
way,
platted
at
20
feet
in
width
or
less
or
less
than
20
feet
and,
of
course,
other
permitting
through
other
agencies
may
be
required,
such
as
fdot,
if
it's
an
fdot
right
of
way,
so
specific
events
exempt.
X
These
are
some
of
the
annual
ones
that
had
been
included
in
the
past,
the
block
party,
the
light
of
the
night,
the
halloween
street
closure
for
the
city,
the
sullivan
street
arts
and
crafts,
fair,
the
pinewood
chamber
spring
and
fall
downtown
bash
events
and
all
non-stationary
events,
including,
but
not
limited
to
our
parades.
We
have
a
lot
of
runs
and
races
which
only
they
only
close
for
a
short
period
of
time.
L
L
One
one
thing
in
regard
to
how
our
language
is:
unlike
the
r22
group,
that
does
the
the
dogs
for
veterans
with
test
specific
dogs.
They
were
intending
to
have
an
event
on
september
they're
going
to
have
the
event,
but
they've
had
to
scale
it
down
significantly
because
they
had
it
planned
for
the
site
where
celtic
gray
is
and
have
their
event
there,
and
because
celtic
gray
has
done
even
though
they've
done
their
for-profit
thing
and
they're
a
non-profit
who
applied
on
their
own
name
based
on
the
rules.
We
have
here
this.
L
Y
S
I
would
just
say
that
we
have
these
rules.
We've
been
very
clear
about
our
intention
and
it
has
no
there's
no
in
town
on
our
part
to
restrict
anyone
from
raising
funds
to
support
any
non-profit
and
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
provide
do
that
within
our
city,
and
it
happens
every
all
the
time.
So
I
I
understand
that
certain
assumptions
were
made
that
they
were
going
to
get
to
to
close
the
street,
but
certainly
the
celtic
gray
has
a
lot
of
property.
C
X
No,
they
changed,
I'm
sorry
at
least
hand
and
zoning
official
for
the
record.
They
changed
when
they
resubmitted
their
application.
They
revised
it.
It's
all
going
to
be
on
the
celtic
gray
property
and
the
parking
lot
they
decided
across
the
street
was
even
still
a
little
too
risky,
even
though
that
was
offered
to
them
and
that
we
could
offer
you
know
they
would
to
pay
for
police
service
if
they
needed,
if
they
could
have
the
police
service
to
help
with
crossing
of
the
street
for
safety.
C
B
C
We
can't
give
special
dispensation
to
one
company
over
another
and
I
think
we
have
to
just
maintain
consistency
when
we
enforce
a
rule
of
this
kind.
You're
right
we've
been
very
clear
from
the
beginning.
This
is
something
we
wanted
to
do
for
well
over
a
year.
I'm
very
glad
to
see
this
come
to
fruition,
because
now
it's
clearly
defined,
and
hopefully
we
won't
have
the
once
a
month
request
coming
at
us
being
fired
at
us
one
at
a
time.
Yes,.
U
One
of
the
things
that
has
concerned
me
since
I
first
sat
up
here,
is
that
there
are
a
number
of
organizations
and
groups
that
just
assume
things
about
the
city
and
any
other
organization
that
they
would
be
dealing
with
have
rules
and
protocols,
and
I
firmly
believe
that
if
we
start
wavering
on
one,
we
will
be
asked
to
waiver
on
many,
and
you
know
I
it's
like
pickleball
all
over
again.
You
know
they
can't
ask
us
to
keep
changing
the
rules,
because
this
one
time-
and
I
really-
I
really
encourage
council
to
stick
with
this.
U
B
U
L
Agree
with
my
point
is
more
that
I
just
feel
that
one
is
quite
restrictive
in
that,
in
this
case
they're
not
able
to
have
vendors
when
this
is
when
they
themselves
were
applying
for
the
permit,
and
I'm
saying
based
on
these
rules.
They
can't
do
this.
What
I'm
saying
is,
I
just
feel
that
limiting
to
one
is
extreme.
That's
just
my
opinion
in
this
regard.
C
V
D
And
if
I
could
lead
into
this
before
melissa
starts,
these
are
a
couple
of
the
grants
that
I
was
talking
about.
Of
course,
we
also
have
another
that
will
be
right
after
this,
that
urban
design
has
been
working
on.
A
lot
of
the
departments
have
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
coming
up
with
detail
for
this
and
melissa's
been
spearheading
this
one.
D
I
know
it's
taken
a
lot
of
her
time
and
we
appreciate
that
because
you
know
this
is
another
four
and
a
half
million
potential,
the
next
one
that
joan
will
be
talking
about.
You
know
there
could
be
another
couple
million
potential,
so
there's
a
lot
of
money
out
there
that
we're
going
after,
and
it's
taken
a
lot
of
work
and
effort
that
staff
has
put
in
to
make
this
happen,
and
we
just
appreciate
the
effort,
because
it
certainly
has
a
positive
impact
on
the
city.
So
thank
you.
P
Melissa
record
assistant
city
manager
and
the
city
manager
said
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
lead
up
with,
so
I'm
just
going
to
ask
for
your
authorization
to
apply
to
the
rebuild
florida
resiliency
mitigation
grant
program.
The
two
projects
that
we're
putting
forth
for
this
project
are
the
boca
grain
boca,
grand
drainage
and
historic
street
re-breaking
and
utility
projects.
C
S
C
Z
Good
morning
for
the
record,
john
lebeau
urban
design
director
and
this
grant
will
support
the
2019
climate
adaptation
plan
that
was
approved
by
council
back
in
2019
and
in
moving
forward.
It
would
the
grant
that
work
we'll
be
applying
actually
for
two
grants.
One
would
update
a
policy
in
the
in
the
grant
in
the
plan
itself
that
we
were
missing
at
the
time
that
the
actual
plan
was
adopted.
Z
The
lidar
information,
which
is
a
pictometry
effect
to
produce
3d
elevation
shots
for
our
area,
was
not
completed
at
the
time
of
our
adaptation
plan
update.
It
is
completed
now
we'd
like
to
incorporate
that
in
our
modeling
as
we
move
forward,
it
will
help
us
with
our
resiliency
planning
for
the
city.
In
addition,
we'd
also
like
to
apply
for
a
grant
that
would
be
a
public
private
partnership
as
we
move
forward
to
present
a
form
of
living
sherline.
That
would
include
both
mangroves
as
well
as
oyster
reef
restoration.
C
Z
Z
For
people
to
come
and
enjoy
the
scenery,
the
vision
out
there
on
the
water,
the
sunsets
etc.
So
we
would
have
that
written
in
part
of
the
grant
to
maintain
them
at
a
certain
height
so
that
we
can
still
see
and
they
would
be
maintained
at
maybe
a
three
foot
height.
So
the
numbers
have
been
talked
about
with
dep
and
we
are
moving
forward
in
that
discussion.
C
Z
S
C
B
D
C
Next,
we
have
the
consent
agenda,
which
includes
approval
of
the
minutes
from
july
7th
from
july
14th,
the
monthly
litigation
report,
the
invoice
of
alan
norton
blue
invoice
of
icard
marrow
invoice
of
person,
conan
mooney
termination
of
the
fdot
lap
agreement
and
the
approval
for
the
extension
of
the
the
use
for
the
peace
river
wildlife
center
at
the
mlk
property.
Does
anyone
have
anything
they'd
like
to
pull
from
the
consent
agenda?
C
Y
C
J
C
X
Morning,
lisa
zoning
official:
this
is
a
street
closure
request.
This
would
be
for
a
non-stationary
event.
It
has
already
gone
through
drc.
It's
november
20th,
it's
the
annual
twins,
top
5k
run
walk.
They
start
at
6
a.m.
6
a.m
to
noon.
Gilchrist
park!
It's
a
partial
road
closure.
They
go
under
the
bridges.
X
X
AA
Good
morning,
justin
dewalt
for
the
police
department
good
morning,
halloween
is
fastly
as
fast
approaching
us
here,
so
we
are
proposing
that
we
would
like
to
close
down
additional
lanes
of
travel
this
year.
The
proposal
would
include
all
of
marion
from
cross
street
to
shreve
the
individual
side
streets
in
between
marion
and
reda
esplanade,
and
then
reddit
esplanade
westbound
would
remain
open.
Eastbound
would
be
closed.
AA
AA
AA
AA
For
this
year,
by
closing
it
down
to
shreve,
we
will
have
more
officers
on
patrol
inside,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
the
event
we'll
have
more
volunteers,
working,
less
posts,
creating
less
fatigue
for
our
volunteers
that
help
us
out
with
it.
As
everybody
knows,
this
is
a
very,
very
big
time
for
the
city,
especially
downtown,
obviously
less
chance
for
vehicle
versus
pedestrian
issues.
We
are
isolating
the
pedestrians
inside
the
event
with
little
to
no
vehicular
traffic.
AA
Obviously
we'll
we'll
be
letting
residents
in
during
the
event
if
they
have
to
get
in
or
out
by
proper
id.
Only,
however
friends,
family
attendees,
they
will
have
to
be
in
the
event
prior
to
5
p.m.
When
the
roads
would
be
closed,
pedestrians
they'll
be
able
to
utilize
the
entire
roadway
and
sidewalks,
rather
than
just
the
sidewalks
on
the
sides
of
the
streets,
which
are
three
to
four
feet.
I
believe
so
we're
trying
to
open
that
up
for
them
to
have
a
safer
time.
AA
AA
Something
I
want
to
touch
on
also
is
reda.
Esplanade
from
cross
to
harvey
will
remain
open.
Both
ways
to
have
access
to
the
city
hall
parking
lot
in
the
back,
as
well
as
the
businesses
there.
The
hotel
and
the
restaurant
to
be
able
to
remain
open
and
it
doesn't
affect
their
business
at
all,
so
from
cross
street
to
harvey
will
remain
open,
both
east
and
west,
from
harvey
west,
we'll
I'm
sorry
from
harvey
west
on
retta,
the
eastbound
lane
will
be
shut
down
and
open
to
any
questions.
AA
The
theory
behind
it
is
we're
allowing
traffic
to
get
into
pgi
without
having
to
go
up
to
virginia
so
residents
and
people
who
are
not
involved
in
the
event
aren't
put
out
in
any
way.
They'll
still
have
access
into
pgi
closing
down
the
east.
Lane
of
travel
is
not
necessarily
to
occupy
that
entire
lane.
It's
just
to
give
pedestrians
a
little
bit
more
of
a
buffer
between
the
sidewalk
and
westbound
traffic.
N
C
More
just
will
increase
the
safety
and
security
for
the
for
the
kids
that
are
here
and
and
their
parents
for
that
matter,
but
people
hundreds
of
people
are
coming
to
town
and
they
literally
just
walk
down
the
middle
of
the
street,
even
if
the
street
isn't
closed,
so
the
best
thing
to
do
is
to
close
it
and
keep
people
safe.
So
thank
you
for
being
proactive
on
this.
U
C
AA
S
C
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
event
permit
21-165-220
for
the
halloween
event.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimous.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I've
been
working
with
kylie
on
the
halloween
plans
for
city
hall,
annex
like
we
do
every
year,
and
I
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
have
some
time
to
devote
to
helping
with
the
project
they're
always
looking
for
people,
and
I
know
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
massive
display
of
stuff.
C
I
think,
is
the
plan,
but
it
should
be
fun
and-
and
everybody's
of
course,
going
to
be
in
costumes
of
all
of
those
eras.
So
and
and
of
course,
everybody
they're
collecting
candy.
So
if
anybody
would
like
to
go,
make
a
quick
trip
to
walmart
and
buy
a
couple
things
of
candy
they're
they're
gladly
receiving
candy
upstairs
on
the
in
the
city
hall,
annex
building.
C
C
We
have
a
a
50,
oh
gosh,
55
chevy,
so
and
we've
got
and
they've
got
a
couple
of
guys
who
have
some
20s
older
cars
that
are
they're
going
to
be
excited
and
of
course,
these
guys
love
their
cars.
So
they're
going
to
be
very
proud
to
have
them
be
part
of
it
but
anyway,
so
hopefully
you
guys
can
all
help
out
a
little
bit
if
you
have
some
time
to
do
so.
But
thank
you.
C
S
C
C
X
Yes,
lisa
hannan's
owning
official,
so
this
wedding
got
postponed
in
2019-2020
due
to
the
pandemic,
so
they
rescheduled
for
this
year.
It's
a
multi-day
event
at
lashley
park,
so
thursday
december
30th
set
up.
It
has
the
schedule
on
there
so
they're
going
to
go
till
midnight
and
clean
up
till
2
a.m.
Friday.
They
start
fairly
early
4
a.m.
X
X
To
start
setting
up,
and
then
some
cleanup
that
goes
past
goes
to
like
2
a.m,
according
to
their
event,
application,
so
we're
requesting
council
approval.
Originally
they
had
talked
about
fireworks,
but
no
fireworks
were
are
proposed
at
this
time.
If
they
were
to
be,
they
will
come
back
again
for
approval
through
drc
and
permitting.
X
C
Any
questions
for
lisa
I
do
have
two
questions.
The
last
time
we
had
an
indian
wedding,
they
had
people
staying
at
the
wyvern
hotel
and
then
they
did
a
whole
parade,
an
entourage
of
a
parade
across
41
to
get
to
the
event
center,
where
they
were
having
the
main
event
and
it
created
a
traffic
nightmare.
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
that
situation
again.
I.
X
X
I
I
don't
have
an
agenda
of
what
type
of
music
or
how
long
the
music
is
going
to
last.
I
just
have
what
the
event
schedule
they
gave
us
in
the
event
manual.
I
mean
the
event
application,
so
we
can
certainly
go
ask
that
I
the
applicant,
was
supposed
to
be
here.
They
were
aware
that
it
was
going
to
be
heard
today.
X
U
S
I
well
know
how
much
I
don't
know
how
much
is
expected,
but
I
think
to
go
back
to
the
word
that
we
used
before
was
consistency,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
consistent
so
that
others
who
are
wanting
to
do
something
understand
it's
not
that
we
don't
want
them
to
have
a
great
time.
It's
that
we
have
a
park
with
condos
right
beside
it.
If
there
were
condos
there,
it
probably
would
be
a
whole
different
story.
Yeah.
You
know.
L
C
I
also
want
to
let
everybody
know.
I
spoke
to
kelly
evans
liscum
yesterday,
because
smugglers
from
time
to
time
have
sponsored
fireworks
on
new
year's
eve.
They
are
not
planning
fireworks,
so
it's
not
a
conflict
for
them.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knew
that
and
that
could
have
been
a
conflict
because
of
them
typically
using
lashley
park.
For
that.
S
L
C
B
Y
Y
S
I'm
not
saying
shut
it
down,
I'm
just
saying
just
the
music
part
that
seemed
to
be
that
was
the
problem
before
was
the
the
the
loud
music
in
coming
from
the
park
was
the
complaint
of
the
residents
of
it?
Wasn't
the
people
necessarily
in
the
park.
It
was
the
the
loud
music
in
the
park,
and
so
I'm
just
saying
to
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
compromise
so
that
they
can
have
a
great
time
in
the
residence.
U
C
I
think
yeah,
I
think
we
need
to
find
out
specifically
what
activities
are
going
to
take
place,
not
just
music,
but
what
activities
are
going
to
be
taking
place
in
the
park
from
10
o'clock
to
midnight,
because
that
might
be
the
critical
deciding
point
for
us:
yeah,
okay,
okay,
we
can
sure
do
that.
Okay,
so
do
we
make
a
motion
to
continue
to
a
date,
certain
yes
ma'am
motion
to
continue
to
what
date
next
meeting
september,
8th,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
D
D
One
of
our
definitions
is
a
flea
market
which,
by
definition,
incorporates
things
like
a
farmer's
market
and
where
that's
become
an
issue
is
that
when
we
had
the
pandemic
and
had
closures
that
were
only
allowed,
businesses
were
only
allowed
to
serve
food
as
an
essential
service.
The
farmers
market,
as
defined
and
operated,
was
caught
in
that
and
had
to
close
down
for
a
period
of
a
month
or
more
until
there
was
some
determination
made
as
to
how
they
could
reopen
and
serve
food.
D
D
So
what
was
determined
was
that,
by
letter
of
the
zoning
official,
the
zoning
official
could
do
a
clarification
of
the
flea
market
farmers
market
differentiation
and
that,
if
indeed
there
was
a
federal
state
or
local
closure
where
essential
services,
food
service
was
only
allowed
to
operate,
that
the
farmers
market
would
be
considered.
Part
of
that
essential
service,
where
only
the
food
vendors
would
be
permitted
to
operate
during
any
federal
state
or
local
state
of
emergency.
And
one
of
the
concerns
that
was
expressed.
D
A
valid
concern
is
that,
of
course,
they
also
by
providing
the
fresh
foods
and
produce
except
the
ebt
cards,
and
there
are
a
substantial
number
of
patrons
that
rely
on
them
to
provide
that
fresh
foods
that
they
can
receive
by
use
of
the
card
that
they
carry
for
that
purpose.
So
with
this,
if
council
would
concur
and
support
this
letter
of
designation
by
the
zoning
official,
then
if
indeed
anything
occurs
in
the
future,
that
would
restrict
essential
services.
C
AB
J
C
S
C
J
B
J
AC
Good
morning
for
the
record
mitchell
austin
urban
design-
I'm
just
here
to
introduce
mr
john
byrne
of
punta
gorda
boat
club
to
talk
about
their
exterior
improvements.
Staff
has
met
with
them
regarding
those
proposed
improvements,
and
there
is
one
item
which
will
need
your
approval
and
that's
some
additional
signage
for
the
building
so
without
further
ado
turn
it
over
to
mr
burn
to
walk
you
through
the
presentation.
AD
Yeah,
it's
been
about
a
year,
I'm
burned
for
the
record.
2520
rio
grande
drive,
I'm
here
representing
the
boat
club.
When
you
saw
me
last
a
year
or
so
ago,
I
was
working
on
our
lease.
I
was
the
chair
of
the
lease
committee,
which
has
now
evolved
into
the
renovation
committee
and
yes,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
renovation
committee
as
well.
AD
When
we
got
your
approval
last
year
to
modify
the
lease
extend
the
lease
we
modified.
The
footprint
that
the
boat
club
was
using
of
the
land
from
the
city
that
required
us
to
focus
on
predominantly
functional
changes
to
the
boat
club
to
to
take
into
account
the
harbor
walk
and
the
change
in
the
footprint.
AD
There
were
some
aesthetic
aspects
of
that
as
well.
It
wasn't
just
functional,
but
being
an
engineer
I
think
functionally,
and
so
we
focused
for
the
last
year
in
implementing
the
changes
that
we
agreed
to
as
part
of
our
lease
extension
and
those
are
now
complete
and
we
realize
the
buildings
need
some
aesthetic
changes.
AD
Long
term.
We
agreed
that
we
are
going
to
watch
to
see
what
happens
with
the
bayfront
center,
but
the
bayfront
center
isn't
on
the
near
horizon.
Instead,
we
recognize
that
that'll
come
someday
and
when
it
occurs,
we
will
align
what
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can
to
make
our
building
more
compatible
with
the
bayfront
center.
But
in
the
meantime
our
building
needs
some
sprucing
up.
AD
AD
What
we're
after
is
bg
nautical,
that's
our
long-term
intent
to
make
the
building
look
like
a
boat
club
to
make
it
look.
Beachy
we
considered
doing
coastal
contemporary,
so
many
homes
in
the
area
are
doing
coastal
contemporary.
Our
members
voted
by
an
overwhelming
41
to
39
to
do
beachy
nautical
over
coastal
contemporary.
So.
AD
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
repaved
the
parking
lot
we
had
to
make
it
bigger
in
order
to
allow
vehicles
to
turn
around
in
the
parking
lot.
Instead
of
on
the
grass
where
the
harbor
walk
was
moved
because
the
parking
lot
was
wider,
we
had
to
put
in
a
string
of
bollards
recommended
by
staff
so
that
no
one
accidentally
makes
two
white
a
turn
and
ends
up
in
the
basin.
AD
That's
been
done,
we've
done
new
landscaping,
including
a
500
square
foot
garden,
a
butterfly
garden
that
we
have
two
members
who
are
passionate
about
gardening
and
they
put
this
garden
in
next
to
the
harbor
walk
and
I've
been
there,
people
stop
and
look
at
it
enjoy
it.
It
really
looks
nice
we're
in
the
process
of
repainting
the
building.
We
got
the
south
and
east
sides
done
and,
as
you
can
see,
some
would
say
it's
a
gray
building.
Some
would
say
it's
a
blue
building.
AD
We
put
screening
over
our
utilities.
The
building
originally
had
a
large
amount
of
trellis
work,
brown,
wood
with
white
cross
plastic
and
it
was
aged
it
needed
to
be
removed
in
order
to
make
the
parking
lot
bigger.
We
moved
the
trellis
work
and
we're
embracing
the
original
design,
as
opposed
to
going
to
a
more
modern
change
to
that
design.
AD
So
those
are
the
changes
to
the
building
we've
made
so
far
and
what
it
looks
like
next.
What
we
have
to
do
is
our
lease
requires
us
in
2021
to
update
our
street
sign
monument
sign
to
make
it
consistent
with
the
current
style
of
the
rest
of
the
town.
So
that's
one
thing.
Second,
as
we
look
at
this
building-
and
we
think
how
do
we
make
it
a
little
more
beachy
nautical,
what
wouldn't
cost
too
much
money
but
spruce
it
up
until
the
bay
front
center
takes
the
lead
on
design.
AD
We've
looked
and
we've
identified
three
things.
The
first
is
to
put
a
paver
to
the
right
or
sorry
to
put
a
pergola
with
pavers
under
it
to
the
right
side
of
the
door.
The
second
is
to
take
that
utility
side
and
put
our
name
on
it.
So
many
people
walk
down
the
harbor
walk
and
they
say:
what's
this
building,
they
never
looked
to
the
street
where
the
monument
sign
is
our
original
trellis
work
had
the
punta
gorda
boat
club
on
it.
AD
Of
course,
when
the
trellis
work
came
down,
the
sign
came
down,
but
as
you'll
see,
we
we
feel
as
though
it
dresses
up
the
building.
It
makes
the
most
of
that
panel
we'd
also
like
to
add
three
murals
to
the
left
of
that.
The
three
left
panels
to
the
left
of
the
door,
obviously
to
the
west
there
and
I'll
show
you
the
details
on
each
one
of
these
pretty
quickly.
So
here's
the
street
signs
as
it
looks
today
on
the
left
and
how
we
picture
it.
AD
AD
It
predates
the
internet
so
that,
if
you
needed
to
get
information
to
people,
that's
where
you
put
it
and
of
course
they
go
to
our
through
the
internet
now
and
we're
going
to
have
on
the
website
the
people
that
are
currently
tenants
in
our
building,
so
that
people
can
understand
who's
using
the
building,
but
we
want
to
simplify
it,
make
it
smaller.
It's
huge.
AD
We
would
like
to
refresh
the
sign
for
not
a
terrible
amount
of
money
until
eventually
it
has
to
be
moved.
So
I
think
it's
something
like
eight
or
ten
feet.
It
has
to
be
moved,
but
in
the
meantime,
we'd
like
to
clean
it
up,
we
would
do
that
by
removing
all
the
the
tenants
at
the
bottom
by
lowering
the
sign.
So
it's
not
so
high
put
the
right
size
finials
on
get
that
standard
blue
background
with
the
white
font,
and
we
think
it's
a
much
better,
looking
sign
on
the
building
itself.
AD
As
I
mentioned
to
the
left,
we
have
those
three
panels
that
we
we've
been
working
with
the
punta
gorda
historic
mural
society
and
they're
excited
about
walls
when
they
see
spaces
like
that.
They
think
what
could
we
do
here?
So
you
know
kelly.
She's
got
a
lot
of
energy
and
we've
worked
with
her
and
we
have
developed
ideas
to
have
a
historical
progression
of
our
boat
club
on
those
three
panels.
AD
From
the
early
days
in
the
60s,
when
we
were
first
formed
to
the
kind
of
the
mid-years,
80s
and
90s
to
kind
of
current,
it
will
progress
from
left
to
right.
It
will
ultimately
be
hand-painted
murals,
but
it
will
be
done
in
the
new
approach
kelly
is
taking
such
as
at.
Lastly,
where
the
murals
will
be
painted
in
an
artist
studio
and
then
they
will
be
applied
to
a
surface.
AD
AD
In
the
meantime,
you
have
those
ugly
walls.
So
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
we'd
like
to
build
the
panels
now,
because,
when
kelly's
ready
and
the
artist
artwork
is
done,
they
can
be
put
on
these
panels.
In
the
meantime,
we'd
like
to
dress
the
panels
up
with
some
digital
art,
so
working
with
rapid
graphics
on
signage,
we
can
do
some
line
drawings
of
power
boating
sail
boating,
kayaking
that
sort
of
thing
we
have
our
70th
anniversary
coming
in
october,
we'd
like
to
spruce
the
building
up
for
them.
AD
AD
So
the
the
approach
is
to
there's
a
material
called
mural
cloth,
which
is
what
is
painted
on
and
then
that
cloth
is
bonded
to
a
surface,
whether
it's
a
concrete
block
wall
cement
or
in
this
case
these
panels.
So
these
are
aluminum
sign
maker,
skin
panels,
they're
aluminum
with
foam
in
them.
They
would
have
aluminum
structure
under
them
for
wind
resistance
and
mounting.
AD
AD
So,
just
to
the
left
of
the
front
door,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
that
picture,
because
it's
kind
of
greenish
grayish
it
would
be
a
darker
blue,
it
would
simply
say
the
punta
gorda
boat
club,
with
our
address
kind
of
a
more
modern
look
to
signage
and
then
to
the
right
of
the
front
door.
We
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
on
how
do
we
make
it
feel
beachy
and
nautical
landed
on
a
pergola.
Our
original
design
for
a
pergola
looked
a
little
spindly,
not
well
integrated
into
the
building.
AD
Fortunately,
urban
design
guidance
guided
us
on
not
good
enough.
What
more
can
you
do?
We
went
back
and
rethought
it.
The
front
of
the
building
has
four
pie
lasters
in
it.
Those
are
square
columns
that
break
up
that
front
wall,
they're
16
inches
wide
and
what
we
realized
was
the
posts
for
the
pergola
should
match
the
pie
lasters,
so
we
would
be
putting
in
masonry
pie,
laster,
16
inches
square
with
the
triangular
top
to
match
the
pie
lasters
in
the
building.
AD
AD
AD
AD
I
will
point
out
that
the
pergola
is
within
20
feet
of
water
and
normally,
I
think
the
15
feet
is
the
limit,
but
the
east
side
of
our
building
the
whole
length
of
the
building
is
within
15
feet
and
we're
merely
kind
of
filling
in
the
corner
with
the
pergola.
So
whether
the
council
needs
to
prove
that
I
don't
know
mitchell
just
thought:
I'd
bring
it
up.
V
AC
For
the
record
again
mitchell
austin
urban
design,
the
the
long-term
murals,
would
be
entirely
consistent
with
what's
in
the
new
sign
code,
the
interim
murals
would
not
be
this.
Land
is
zone,
p,
public
and
all
development
requirements
are
subject
to
council
approval.
So
it's
it's
your
decision
entirely
on
whether
or
not
that's
acceptable.
As
that
interim
step.
C
U
AD
S
AD
Oh
that
soon
well,
even
if
it
were
later,
that's
even
more
of
an
argument
in
our
minds
for
putting
some
digital
images
up
there
in
order
to
dress
up
the
building.
Okay.
But
yes,
we
have
been
talking
with
her
and
I
think
that
the
artist
painting
this
in
a
studio
and
then
putting
the
sign
on
a
panel
indoors
kind
of
speeds
up
the
process.
S
Okay,
so
the
only
other
comment,
I
know
that
you
mentioned
john
at
the
beginning
that
realizing
that
our
refresh
of
the
bay
front
center
is
a
couple
years
down
the
road.
So
the
comment
I
think
here
is
this
is
could
be
interim
as
far
as
the
design
and
what
you're
doing,
because
it
may
be
that
then,
together
we
look
at
it
and
decide
the
colors
are
going
to
be
different.
The
you
know
the
portal
is
going
to
look
whatever
it
is.
AD
It
may
change,
we
recognize
that
it
could
turn
out
to
coastal
contemporary,
in
which
case,
in
which
case
the
39
people,
our
members,
that
voted
39
will
say.
I
told
you
so
and
we
could
be
painting
it
green,
putting
on
siding
getting
bahama
shutters.
You
know
all
the
elements
that
make
it
a
a
coastal
contemporary.
We
would
move
in
that
direction.
Okay,.
C
C
S
S
C
C
It's
been
a
rough
week
for
me,
okay
and
we'll
wait
for
john
to
come
back.
So
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
the
award
of
amendment
the
master
agreement
on
this
agenda
that
I
have
9,
h
and
9.
I
are
reversed,
so
we
go
first
to
the
master
agreement
to
godwin
mills
k,
wood
for
the
city,
hall,
rehabilitation,
project,
good.
AB
AB
AB
The
evaluation
and
selection
committee
did
rank
the
top
three
firms
and
selected
goodwin
mills
and
k
wood
llc
as
the
top
ranked
firm
to
enter
into
negotiations
for
an
agreement
for
a
master
agreement.
This
is
the
master
agreement
and
procurement
and
urban
design
did
negotiate
fees
for
positions
for
the
master
agreement,
so
they
would
be
in
place
for
the
authorization
future
authorizations
staff
is
recommending
award
of
the
master
agreement
to
goodwin
mills
k,
wood,
llc
of
sarasota
florida.
C
AB
AB
AB
U
C
C
S
S
C
AB
AB
Most
of
the
tasks
are
lump
sum,
there's
only
a
few
tasks
that
are
not
to
exceed
because
they're
not
well
defined
like
bidding
assistance
and
things
that
are
further
out,
but
most
of
the
agreement
are
lump
sum
tasks
and
the
total
agreement
will
be
four
hundred
fifty
eight
thousand
eight
hundred
and
twenty
dollars
to
complete
the
project
tasks.
One
through
sixteen
should
be
completed
within
a
ten
twelve
month
period
after
the
notice
to
proceed.
AB
The
total
project
has
been
appropriated
and
allotted
500
000
out
of
the
500
000.
The
architectural
engineering
costs
will
be
458
hundred
twenty
dollars.
We
anticipate
permitting
fees
to
be
approximately
twenty
five
hundred
and
then
we're
asking
for
a
contingency
of
thirty
thousand,
though
that
is
just
for
unforeseen
items
that
may
came
come
up
during
the
discovery
process.
That
will
be
the
initial
tasks,
the
consultant,
because
there
are
no
real
plans
or
or
technical
specifications
for
city
hall.
U
T
T
Their
proposal
is
based
upon
that
work,
okay,
meaning
they
still
have
to
have
their
individual
electrical
designer
their
that
type
of
stuff
review
those
documents.
So
that
is
what
they
are
basing
the
new
design
on
the
other
thing
that
they
will
have
to
do
in
conjunction
with
that
is
see
how
the
rehabilitation
of
the
historic
structure
that
they
can
then
build
the
new
structure
so
that
we
have
compatible
systems
which
originally
we
were
just
going
to
kind
of
remodel
the
entire
project
instead
of
a
new
build.
T
AB
There
is
a
possibility,
at
the
30
percent
level,
of
design
to
realize
a
savings
of
approximately
17
000
part
of
the
task
for
the
architects
and
engineers.
They
will
be
coming
up
with
three
different
designs
and
to
do
that,
they
will
be
meeting
with
city,
council
and
city
staff
to
see
what
three
levels
of
the
project
will
be.
What
our
must?
B
C
We
have
a
second,
a
second
okay,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
award
of
amendment
number
one
to
goodwin
mills,
k,
wood
for
the
city,
hall,
interior
and
exterior
rehabilitation
and
the
addition
for
city
council
chambers
any
further
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye.
B
S
Okay,
nancy:
I
was
asked
a
question
from
a
resident
and
it
has
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
this
award,
but
it
is
in
general,
it's
the
expense
of
relocating
our
staff
over
to
the
herald
court
center
and
the
500
000.
That's
allocated
for
that
project
that
that's
actually
in
our
general
fund,
as
opposed
to
being
in
the
local
option.
Sales
tax
dollars-
and
my
explanation
for
that
was-
is
that
the
local
option
sales
tax
dollars
have
to
be
used
for
new
capital
projects.
S
Y
Q
Good
morning
chris
and
simeone
for
the
record.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
We're
trying
the
if
the
one
percent
has
to
be
used
on
infrastructure
projects
and
a
lot
of
our
normal
operations
are
just
going
to
be
relocated
to
a
different
location.
So
we
wouldn't
count
that
as
part
of
the
infrastructure
project.
S
D
Will
just
I
will
just
mention
also
while
they're
setting
up
there,
that
you
know
this,
as
you
said,
is
a
major
project.
It's
moving
forward.
You
know
our
building's
needed
it's.
You
know
it's
proper
management
of
the
infrastructure.
We
have
in
place
right
now,
and
it's
really
going
to
be
nice
to
see
the
historic
section
you
know
improved
and
get
all
the
the
issues
corrected
that
we
have
in
that
building
now,
and
you
know
even
issues
with
the
chambers
that
we
need
corrected
and
improved.
AD
AD
You
can
get
digital
art
online
for
something
first
from
a
website
like
shutterstock
or
millions
of
images,
and
he
went
online.
He
said
this
would
be
the
sort
of
thing
that
we
would
want
to
put
up
there
temporarily
that
talks
about
the
nature
of
our
boat
club.
While
we
put
together
the
murals
that
have
the
historic
significance
of
the
boat
club
in
the
community,
so
that
was
one
mitchell
I
take
it.
You
got
these
others
open
too
right.
That's
just
the
tap
yeah,
just
click
on
the
next
one.
AD
Okay,
that
would
be
kayaking,
we're
a
sailing
club,
we're
a
kayaking
club
and
we're
a
power
boating
club.
Let's
see
if
we
can
find
that
guy
there
we
go
so
they're
intended
to
be
line,
drawing
simple
tasteful,
not
gaudy,
that
represent
the
nature
of
the
club,
these
weren't,
the
final
picks.
These
just
give
you
feel
for
what
we're
thinking.
C
AC
S
AD
L
C
Yeah,
I
have
to
admit
the
clip
art.
Looking
pictures
aren't
what
I
was
expecting
when
you
said
digital
art.
I
that
wasn't
at
all
what
I
was
thinking
was
going
to
look
like,
so
I'm
glad
I
asked
for
that.
I
agree.
I
think
the
wall
sign.
You
need
to
have
that.
You
need
the
identity
on
the
building.
So
people
know
where
they're
at.
C
D
To
clarify
what
you're
saying
you
were
talking
about
digital
quality,
you
know
photo
quality
or
you're,
saying
that,
for
example,
if
you
knew
what
the
murals
were
going
to
look
like,
you
could
almost
get
an
image
of
that.
That
puts
it
up
there.
That's
not
the
high
quality,
for
you
know,
obviously
a
canvas
hand
painted
mural,
but
it
would
give
the
same
image
generally
say
that
when
that
was
transplanted
to
a
high
quality
image,
you
didn't
have
such
a
difference
in
clip
art
and
mural
quality
type,
painting.
U
AD
S
S
I
love
the
idea
of
the
of
the
murals.
I
think
it's
really
wonderful,
I
I
think
you
know
if,
if
the
artist
had
a
rendering
and
realizing
it's
going
to
take
a
while
to
have
all
three,
so
if
you
had
those
renderings
and
you
knew
what
they
were
going
to
look
like,
you
could
put
those
up
so
that
you
know.
Y
B
U
D
Well,
you're
going
to
be
doing
the
discussion
as
far
as
the
introduction,
I
know
what
you
mean,
it's
being
facetious,
actually
the
building
board
and,
of
course,
all
other
boards
meet
on
a
routine
basis
code
board
and
during
those
discussions.
Part
of
that
is
a
quasi-judicial
function
for
some
of
the
boards.
The
code
board
specifically
last
month
had
one
of
those
discussions
where
some
of
the
more
contentious
citations
were
discussed,
specifically
on
the
sign
ordinance
and
the
meeting
was
long,
obviously
and
part
of
the
meeting
degenerated.
D
You
know
that
kind
of
prejudices
the
proceeding
and,
in
some
cases,
depending
on
how
I
vote,
may
go
not
necessarily
in
this
case,
but
how
a
vote
may
go
that
could
prejudice
the
whole
proceeding
itself
against
what
the
city
is
trying
to
accomplish.
So
those
items
and
issues
certainly
occurred
during
the
last.
B
D
The
discussion
would
be
not
only
I'm
sure,
you've
all
watched
the
meeting
what
occurred
at
the
meeting,
but
if
there
are
members
that
have
violated
the
rules
of
conduct
or
the
specific
decorum
for
quasi-judicial
meetings,
should
we
take
some
steps
to
make
sure
board
members
are
aware
of
proper
procedure?
Have
training
be
sanctioned?
U
U
U
B
U
U
So
I
think
we
need
to.
I
looked
it
up.
There's
a
wonderful
handbook
that
the
city
clerk's
office
has
prepared
for
board
members.
You
can't
get
much
clearer
of
what
their
jobs
and
duties
are
and
nowhere
in
it
it's
about
what
eight
16
pages
long
20
pages
long.
Nowhere
in
it
does
it
say
that
the
board
gets
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
like
the
law.
Therefore,
are
they
going
to
enforce
it?
U
C
These
people
on
on
this
particular
board
need
to
understand
that
they
represent
the
city
when
they
are
sitting
at
this
deus.
They
represent
the
rules
that
the
city
has
in
place.
They
are
there
to
enforce
them.
They
are
there
to
not
express
personal
opinions,
not
to
do
name-calling,
not
to
speak
to
the
media.
Before
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
takes
place,
one
of
the
members
actually
went
on
record
and
was
quoted
in
a
new
york
times
article
a
couple
of
days
before
the
meeting,
which
is
against
all
the
rules
that
we
live
by.
C
If
we
ever
did
that
we'd
be
we'd,
be
thrown
under
the
ethics
commission
at
the
state
level
and
and
be
fired
from
our
jobs
and
find
and
maybe
even
go
to
jail.
When
people
sit
at
this
deus,
they
need
to
remember
they
represent
the
city.
They
represent
everything
the
city
stands,
for
they
have
to
maintain
professional
decorum
when
they
come
to
the
meeting.
They
need
to
come
with
an
open
mind
to
listen
to
what
the
evidence
and
testimony
is
that's
presented
at
that
meeting
and
make
a
decision
based
on
the
facts.
They
didn't
do
that.
C
I
I
served
on
boards
and
committees
for
the
better
part
of
12
years,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
never.
In
all
the
years
I've
been
involved
in
city
government
seen
that
kind
of
activity
happen.
I've
never
known
anybody
to
be
removed
from
the
border
committee.
But
at
this
point
I
feel
like
we
have
to
take
some
action
about
it.
C
It
was
serious
enough
you're
right
we
got
letters
from
people
we
had.
We
even
had
a
staff
meeting
that
I
sat
in
on
and
we
discussed
it
at
great
length,
and
this
is
not
okay.
We
can't
we
can't
do
this.
We
can't
perform
like
this,
and
we
can't
have
people
sitting
at
the
dais
representing
the
city
who
are
going
to
act.
That
way.
S
But
it
would
seem
to
me
that
either
we
have
a
training
class
or
we
offer
some
a
video
or
something
that
is
a
training
that
they
have
to
watch
in
order
to
understand
what
this
means
so
that
we
can.
At
least
I
guess
it's
the
it's
the
educator
in
me.
That
says
that
we
need
to
provide
some
kind
of
education
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
what
their
the
expectation
and
what
what
it
truly
means.
S
S
It
was
the
canal
maintenance
because
they
actually
do
make
decisions,
and
I
think
if
there
are
any
committees
that
do
that,
it
would
seem
like
periodic
training
just
to
re
reinforce,
even
though
you
can
read
it.
It's
like
sometimes
hearing
it
is
another
is
valid
reinforcement
for
that.
So
that's
one
thought
that
I
have.
I
also
think
it's
important
for
us
to
to
reinforce
to
all
of
our
boards
and
committees.
S
I
think
this
is
a
good
lesson
for
all
of
our
boards
and
committees
to
make
sure
they
understand
the
rules
of
conduct
and
and
and
that
the
rules
that
are
written
up
here
are
very
important.
We
have
to
live
by
them,
as
you
said,
mayor
and
all
of
our
boards
and
committee
members
need
to
abide
by
that
and-
and
we
all
need
to
be-
we
may
think
one
thing
we
may
say
something
at
home.
S
You
know
like,
but
when
we're
here
we
have
to
maintain
a
professional
decorum
and
and
no
matter
what
it
is
and,
and
there
may
be
people.
I
know
there
have
been
times
when
there
have
been
people
that
have
been
very
adamant
and
whatever
at
speaking
to
us,
but
we
still
have
to
maintain
our
composure,
yeah
and.
S
Not
at
all,
so
that
part
is
that's
unacceptable,
so
I
think
that's
it's
even.
I
know
that
there's
a
there's
a
swearing-in
process,
but
it's
like
this,
the
rules
of
conduct,
it's
important
that
that
be
reinforced
somehow
with
all
of
our
committees.
We
do
it
on
annual
basis.
Here
I
don't
know
what
would
be
appropriate
for
our
committees.
C
C
And
yes,
I
did
talk
to
myself
out
loud
at
home
about
it,
because
because
it
really
upset
me
a
lot
because
it
also
puts
the
city
in
a
very
bad
liability
position.
If
anybody
does
challenge
the
results
of
any
of
those
hearings
that
took
place
that
day,
they
can
go
back
and
play
that
video
all
day
long.
C
Somebody
being
called
a
name
or
somebody
who
has
spoken
to
the
media
out
loud
and
been
quoted
in
a
national
newspaper
that
all
goes
against
the
city
as
far
as
if
it
goes
to
a
court
of
law,
because
the
appeals
process
for
for
the
code
enforcement
board
is
a
is
an
appeals
court
and
if
they
take
it
to
court,
the
city
could
be
in
a
major
problem
situation
and
it's
just
not
okay.
I
I'm
really
upset
about
it
really
upset
about
it.
J
D
If,
if
I
may,
when
you
look
at
the
quasi-judicial
hearing
procedures
and
rules
for
ex-parte
communications,
section,
one
introduction
says
the
city
council
with
boards
committees
and
commissions,
so
it
incorporates
everyone
make
two
types
of
decisions:
legislative
and
quasi-judicial
legislative
involved
policy
formulation
made
sound
discretion
of
the
policy
maker
to
house
discretion.
Quasi-Judicial
decisions,
on
the
other
hand,
it
says,
must
be
based
upon
the
application
of
reliable
facts
to
pre-establish
criteria
the
code.
So
it's
not
whether
or
not
the
code
is
good
or
not
it's
just
that
is
the
pre-established
criteria.
D
When
making
a
quasi-judicial
decision,
city,
council,
sports
committees
or
commissions
act
like
the
judge
of
a
trial
where
fairness,
impartiality
and
due
process
are
afforded
all
parties.
Quasi-Judicial
decisions
are
to
be
made
following
hearings
where
evidence
and
testimony
is
presented,
cause
ideally
disorder.
Judicial
decisions
must
be
based
solely
upon
the
evidence
and
testimony
presented
at
such
hearings
and
in
consideration
of
the
pre-established
criteria,
and
then
it
also
talks
about
maintaining
decorum
for
the
proceeding.
L
One
thing:
I
think
that
that
my
nancy's
saying
that
actual
formal
training
in
how
to
conduct
oneself
and
constitutional
hearing-
I
I
think
that,
like
on
paper,
it's
too
esoteric,
it
doesn't
really
mean
anything.
I
think
that
you
know
when
we
all
did
like
our
email
training
that
dealt
with
like
college
judicial
hearings
and
zoning
law.
L
U
U
B
U
Y
C
U
Hearings,
so
all
of
those
would
have
to
do
it
yeah.
I
think
we
should
go
one
step
further
and
I
brought
this
up
to
greg
during
our
one-on-ones.
I
would
like
to
see
the
nominees
presented
at
one
city
council
meeting
and
the
vote
done
that
the
next
one,
because
sometimes
you
just
get
that
resume
and
it
doesn't
really
tell
you
anything
and
I
would
like
to
have
a
little
time
to
study
it.
U
I
almost
get
the
impression
sometimes
that
we
just
take
warm
bodies.
You
know
if
you
raise
your
hand
you're
on,
and
I
think
we
we
need
to
look
at
it
a
little
closer,
and
maybe
that
would
make
a
difference
too.
I
mean
I
do
believe.
I
think
the
training
is
imperative.
I
think
we
just
have
to
do
that,
but
I
also
would
like
a
little
bit
more
time
between
when
the
name
is
put
in
front
of
us
and
we
vote.
C
D
Which
to
clarify
what
that
would
mean
would
be
that,
for
example,
today,
where
you
have
on
the
agenda,
if
you
want
to
introduce
yourself,
people
would
actually
not
just
be
allowed
to
they'd
be
encouraged
to
talk
to
council.
You
can
look
at
their
information
in
front
of
you
and
not
until
the
second
meeting.
Would
you
then
vote
on
those
individuals?
That's
what
you're
talking
about.
U
Because,
sometimes
you
know
in
my
position
with
the
civic
association,
I
had
a
lot
of
run-ins
and
a
lot
of
encounters.
I
should
say
with
all
sorts
of
people-
and
I
don't
know
them
all
by
name,
but
I
do
know
them.
You
know
by
face-
and
I
might
know
that
that
person
is
a
wonderful
volunteer
and
would
be
great
on
this
board.
U
Y
Agree
that
people
should
be
strongly
encouraged
to
come
to
the
council
before
they
get
appointed.
I
was
wondering,
though,
what
do
we
do
between
the
day
they
introduce
themselves,
and
when
we
vote
I
mean
we
just
we
have
the
information
we
have.
We
don't
have
any
more
are
we
are
we
going
to
somehow
figure
learn
more
about
this
person
in
the
interim
or
well.
C
I
think
that
would
certainly
help
rather
than
having
it
be
three
separate
meetings,
but
but
I
you
know,
I
I
kind
of
agree
that
I
think
you
know
you
you
lose
sight
of
who
somebody
is
when
you
look
at
a
piece
of
paper
and-
and
you
know
all
of
a
sudden,
I
see
the
person
and
I'll
be
like.
Oh,
I
know
who
that
is
yeah
and
I
and
I
do
think
we
need
to
really
screen
these
resumes
a
little
bit
more.
Sometimes
we
just
you're
right.
C
We
we
put
a
body
in
a
seat
because
it's
it's
the
thing
to
do,
and
we
only
had
one
nominee.
Maybe
maybe
we
don't
just
appoint
one
person,
because
that's
the
only
person
that
applied
for
the
position
we
hold
the
position
open
until
we
get
at
least
two
people
to
pick
pick
and
choose
from.
I
don't
know
I
mean,
and
then
you
know,
there's
also
the
issue
of
how
many
boards
and
committees
should
one
person
serve
on.
U
B
B
A
A
We
also
do
strongly
encourage
them
to
come
and
introduce
themselves
there.
We
communicate
with
them
via
email.
I
personally
communicate
with
them
via
email
and
ask
them
encourage
them.
It's
not
a
requirement.
If
you'd
like
to
make
that
a
requirement
you
may
do
so.
Maybe
you
want
to
make
that
a
requirement
just
for
quasi-judicial.
A
C
V
Many
communities
facing
situations
more
often
than
we
do
where
things
get
very
contentious,
have
replaced
code
enforcement
boards
with
special
magistrates
that
are
generally
lawyers.
I
would
recommend
highly
again
against
that.
I
appear
before
a
number
of
jurisdictions
that
have
special
magistrates.
I
think
one
of
the
nice
things
about
our
code
enforcement
board
is
they
are
members
of
the
community.
V
The
we
have
the
and
had
the
the
assistance
of
an
attorney
who
was
representing
the
board
itself
and
was
advising
the
board
that,
for
example,
the
constitutionality
of
the
ordinance
was
not
at
issue
before
the
code
enforcement
board,
and
I
think,
ultimately,
the
majority
of
the
code
enforcement
board
that
that
voted
and
to
find
the
violations
were
making
their
determination.
Based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony
at
the
hearing.
V
There
were
two
that
voted
against
finding
violation
and
we
can
only
assume
what
their
reasons
were
for
voting
against
the
violation.
So
I
believe
the
decision
that
was
made
by
the
code
enforcement
board
procedurally
and
substantively
will
be
sustained
as
being
appropriately
based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony
presented.
V
An
attorney
who
makes
that
allegation
has
the
ability
to
ask
that
the
judge
recuse
themselves
from
further
deliberation
or
consideration
of
the
case
because
of
the
the
mere
appearance
of
some
sort
of
bias
or
animosity
results
in
a
potential
denial
due
process,
and
when
that,
when
an
attorney
makes
that
allegation
and
asks
the
judge
to
recuse
themselves,
the
judge
has
not
does
not
have
the
right
to
argue
and
say:
oh
I'm,
I
can
be
fair.
The
the
rules
of
procedure
require
the
judge
to
recuse
themselves.
R
V
V
I
don't
know
whether
you
can
demand
or
require
that
the
one
or
more
of
the
individuals
that
you
felt
may
have
failed
to
demonstrate
the
appropriate
judicial
temperament
and
failed
to
demonstrate
or
act
in
accordance
with
their
duties
of
appearing
to
be
impartial,
can
simply
be
removed
from
considering
any
further
violations
with
respect
to
those
particular
respondents
and
or
any
future
violations
of
the
sign
code.
I
don't
know
if
that's
workable,
but
I
do
have
a
legitimate
concern
of
being
able
to
defend.
The
city
should
should
the
case.
V
The
it's
a
it's
already
made
argument
for
the
res
for
the
respondents
to
argue
that
they
were
denied
due
process,
because
the
one
or
more
board
members
came
in
there
based
on
what
was
their
act
behavior
at
the
previous
code
enforcement
board
that
they
were
not
impartial
at
the
second
hearing.
So
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
given
very
serious
consideration
and
I
don't
think
simply
reminding
them
of
their
responsibilities
is
going
to
cure
the
problem
as
it
relates
to
these
two
defendants.
U
C
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
do
I'm
sorry
to
do
that.
It's
not
about
the
individuals
involved,
it's
not
about
anything
other
than
that.
It's
putting
the
city
in
a
very
difficult
position
and
we
would
have
a
hard
time
defending
ourselves
if
we
had
to
go
to
a
court
of
law
over
some
of
these
things
and
thankfully
the
decision
would
have
remained
the
same
with
or
without
their
votes
in
this
case
and
all
of
the
hearings
that
took
place
at
that
meeting.
But
I'm
I'm
just
not.
Okay
with
what
happened.
I'm
not.
V
C
U
D
U
You
know
I
have
to
tell
you,
while
I
was
watching
that
I
was
very
upset
with
you.
I
wanted
to
reach
through
the
screen,
because
you
I
wanted
you
to
do
something
to
fix
it,
and
greg
explained
to
me
that
you
couldn't,
because
you
were
one
of
the
fixees
and
so,
but
I
did
understand
after
you
know.
He
explained
that
so
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
put
you
in
jeopardy
because
we
need
you
to
be.
V
V
Exactly
I
mean
he
I
made
it
made
the
argument
immediately
that
bringing
in
something
from
that
was
prepared.
I
don't
know
that.
I
knew
at
that
time
that
he
appreciated
made
comments
to
the
new
york
times.
I
think
I
found
out
the
next
day,
but
I
tried
to
to
argue
that
he
shouldn't
be
doing
that,
because
I
can't
advise
him
not
to
do
it.
It
didn't
seem
to
make
a
difference.
U
A
Would
say
the
options
are
to
well.
I
don't
I
don't
think
from
based
on
what
you
said,
there's
really
more
than
one
option,
and
that
would
be
for
you
to
make
a
motion
to
remove
the
two
board
members
in
question
and
to
announce
those
vacancies
you
can
you
can
let
them
remain
on
the
board
or
remove
them.
Those
are
your
options.
S
S
S
V
That's
why
and
that's
why?
Our
that's!
Why
that's
really
why
the
ordinance
as
it
relates
to
the
code
enforcement
board
and
and
the
remedy
that
you
have
available
to
you
is-
is
more
important
in
that
context
than
others,
because
due
process
is
so
important
in
that
consideration,
it's
more
than
just
issuing
a
permit.
We
have
fines
involved,
for
example,
and
so
you
have
the
ability
to
take
very
swift
action
when
necessary
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
board.
V
V
U
C
S
Like
to
make
an
amendment,
okay,
that
it
includes
judicial
temperament
because
that's
what
david
was
talking
about
was
that
they
did
not
exhibit
judicial
temperament.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with.
I
agree
with
you
that
the
responsibility
is
to
hold
the
code
of
the
city
and
ordinances,
but
it
also
was
the
judicial
temperament.
B
A
J
D
And
you're
still
in
discussion
on
that
yeah,
if
I
could
make
a
comment
sure
under
discussion.
So
now
we
have
judicial
temperament
and
what
you
were
describing
is
really
impartiality,
because
an
unwillingness
to
uphold
our
law
means
you're,
not
impartial.
When
you
hear
the
so
impartiality
and
judicial
temperament
are
the
two
things
we
were
really
discussing,
so
that
seems
to
cover
these
items.
U
L
L
Their
duties
on
the
board-
and
you
know
those
professional
capacity
and
that,
with
that
said,
it
puts
the
city
in
jeopardy
because
decisions
then
at
that
point
you
know,
there's
pretty
much
in
terms
of
the
public
trust
at
that
point
becomes
jeopardized
and
that's
more
or
less.
I
guess
I
want
to
make
sure
this
is
articulated
right
in
the
motion.
V
I
think
I
think
that
what
what
counts.
I
think
that
that
comes
in
the
nature
of
of
the
discussion
on
the
motion,
because
clearly,
as
the
court
indicated,
you
have
the
ability
to
remove
without
cause
and
and
so
you've
expressed
your
reasons
for
making
the
motion.
There's
discussions
to
in
support
of
the
motion
and.
C
A
C
A
You'd
like
we
could
do
a
little
sit
down
with
them
and
go
over
some
key
parts
of
the
handbook
include
that
as
part
of
our
right
now
they
just
come
in
they
they
take
the
oath
and
and
then
they're
good
to
go,
but
we
provide
them
with
the
handbook
code
enforcement
board.
Members
are
provided
with
the
appropriate
sections
of
the
code
that
they
need
to
be
aware
of
any
other
board.
That
is
has
a
specific
part
of
the
code.
We
provide
that
to
them.
A
We
give
them
as
much
information
as
we
can,
but
we
can
do
a
little
more
and
then
we'll
have.
Is
it
your
desire
to
have
the
city
attorney
do
in
person
training
for
quasi
judicial?
Do
you
want
me
to
get
a
video
that
they
can
watch?
The
ethics
is
already
a
four
hour,
video
for
them
to
watch
and
with,
if
they're,
watching
a
video
for
quasi
judicial,
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
so.
V
Yeah
and
so
I'm
not,
I
haven't
seen
the
video
the
four
hour
video
on
ethics-
I
I
don't
know,
and
I
suspect
that
it
really
doesn't
address
what
we
would
need
to
address
in
terms
of
quasi-judicial.
So
my
request
would
be
for
the
city
court
to
see
if
she
could
find
something
more
on
point
with
respect.
C
A
They
they
they
do
have,
rather
than
for
our
video.
They
do
have
options
where
you
can
focus
in
on
public
records.
We
want
the
board
members
to.
We
would
like
them
to
have
that
training
on
public
records,
so
we
will
we'll
see
what's
out
there
on
quasi-digital
public
records
and
some
other
key
things.
A
A
I
suggested
to
them
that
they
do
offer
sessions
geared
towards
staff.
The
thought
was
that
council
members,
newly
elected
municipal
officials,
may
not
be
comfortable
saying
the
things
they
need
to
say
in
front
of
staff
members.
Well,
I
would
say
the
same
thing
goes
for
staff.
They
may
want
to
ask
questions
that
would
make
you
know
them
uncomfortable
if
they
had
elected
officials
there.
A
S
A
A
A
A
But
for
the
most
part
they
can
be
a
little
sketchy
yeah.
So
do
you
want
to
do
anything
with
the
application
or
the
resumes
or
requiring
them
to
come
in
front
of
council?
Don't
want
to
change
anything.
What
I
one
thing
I
can
do
is
back
up
when
we
announce
the
vacancy,
so
there's
more
time
for
people
to
apply.
S
S
And
what
is
you
know
your
interest
or
why
you
feel
this?
Is
you
know
a
committee
whatever
it
is?
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
long.
It's
just.
You
know
a
question
for
the
specific
committee
that
they're
being
nominated
so
that
because
sometimes
it's
I
think
they
may
check
that
off,
and
you
see
it
so
then
you'll
put
them
in
there,
perhaps
as
a
nominee-
and
I
don't
know,
if
always
they
realize
they're
being
nominated
people
don't
show
up.
S
A
J
C
S
C
U
U
C
A
A
I'll
just
go
through
the
vacancies
very
quickly.
We
have
one
for
a
building
board
alternate.
We
do
have
two
code
enforcement
board,
alternate
seats,
historic
preservation,
advisory
board,
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
We
have
three
regular
and
two
alternates
so
for
nominations
for
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
Then,
based
on
this
discussion
today,
we
will.
D
D
V
V
J
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
things
thanks
to
everybody
who
responded
with
regard
to
the
groundbreaking
event
tomorrow,
and
also
for
the
9
11
event,
we're
looking
forward
to
doing
both
of
those
and
also
I
I
hope
you
all
got
the
the
list
that
I
sent
you
about
all
the
upcoming
dates
of
different
things.
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
important
to
put
those
dates
in
front
of
you
and
get
them
on
your
calendars
for
those
who
want
to
attend
any
of
them.
C
C
So
I'd
like
to
see
if
everybody's
okay,
with
that
before
we
go
forward
on
it-
and
you
know
if
we
don't
have
time
to
redesign
something
to
make
it
more
specific
to
a
philanthropic
person
versus
a
do
the
right
thing
recipient,
then
we
may
have
to
use
the
current
format,
otherwise,
we'll
try
to
design
something.
That's
a
little
bit
more
unique
to
local
people.
C
A
A
S
A
C
C
C
You
know
there's
another
event
coming
up
at
the
end
of
september,
which
is
the
fundraiser
for
the
military
heritage,
museum
and
they're,
giving
maryland
smith
mooney
the
distinguished
civilian
award,
and
that
would
have
been
another
one
that
that
might
have
qualified
for
this
same
sort
of
thing
and
there's
been
other
things
that
have
come
up
over
the
years
since,
at
least
since
I've
been
on
council
think
I
think
it
might
be
a
nice
gesture,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
olympic
gold
medal.
I'm
not
I'm.
C
S
C
C
U
B
L
U
S
B
C
B
C
I
think
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
inevitable
downfalls
of
this
whole
project
with
them.
You
know
they've,
pretty
much
made
their
mind
up
that
that's
what
they're
going
to
do
so
I
know
we
can
have
conversations
with
one
of
them
at
a
time,
but
I
think
I
think
if
we
send
a
formal
letter
requesting
their
assistance,
maybe
we
can
get
further
with
it.
Okay,
so
we'll
draft
a
letter
on
that.
Y
Y
Some
there
was
a
request
from
them
for
us
to
be
in
it
and
melissa.
I
know
sent
back
saying:
yes,
we
would
do
that
and
she
would
put
on
the
calendar
well
as
far
as
I
can
tell
it
never
got
put
on
the
calendar
and
then
a
month
after
that,
the
city
or
the
elks
came
through
with
their
plan,
and
so
now
we
we
have
to
decide
which
one
we're
going
to
go
to.
C
C
C
C
U
U
I
thought
my
schedule
was
full.
She
she
has
accomplished
more
things
during
our
time
off,
including
a
tragedy
in
her
family
that
she
coped
with.
While
doing
all
of
these
things-
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that,
on
behalf
of
my
team
and
myself,
I
appreciate
all
that
you
did.
I
don't
know
how
you
did
it.