City of Punta Gorda 2022 Burnt Store Isles Canal Advisory Committee, 11 Jan 2022

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Burnt Store Isles Canal Advisory Committee 01-11-2022

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Smell the daddy.

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You just missed this yeah, so I thought we didn't miss you. We just should have one.

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I wanted to hear cassie talk, that's what I wanted.

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Well, you guys, you guys are going to get the kathy miller special, because I think I'm going to be the only one here today really yeah. It's.

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All good, well, I think just the idea of catching up on things.

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Will be a short.

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Meeting anyway, so you've got a chance to value.

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If not, shorties is right next door, we can go over there.

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I tell you the traffic right now, I'm ready to start shooting people. Traffic is terrible, it's absolutely horrendous and then some of the people. I have no idea what they think they're doing: they're driving down the left side of the road and then her client, all of a sudden they're going to make a left turn and there's no place to make a left turn.

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But you know that uh all that land are clearing off from jones luke. I.

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To said that, that's supposed to be like 900 270., it's.

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200., it's 260 or something that's.

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On the other side,.

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Apartments and then 400 homes on the other side. Yes,.

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I'm sure another one will pop up somewhere.

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God it's gonna be a zoo over here.

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It does look like they're going to have very few here, guys I don't know, do we have to wait on anybody kathy. I mean no.

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We can get this, we can get this party.

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Started anytime is somebody leg or somebody going to come in and take notes or share. I.

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Have roll calls she um she actually just left here to get the meeting started so.

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Do I need a signal from her or no.

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I I think at 1 30., however much time you got left you're good to go she'll. Let me know if you've got it. If we have any issues, technical issues so.

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Rick we got a motion on the floor. Yeah good journey.

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Yeah, we'll give it one more minute just to make sure and then we'll we'll get this thing on our other guys. So.

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So bob you know that uh melissa.

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Runs a pool service. She services my tool, she does she services uh bernie next door to me and she was over there yesterday working on his pool pump- and, I said, hey melissa. I guess I'm not one of your constituents anymore, because I'm we're in district four. Now she wouldn't talk to me.

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Is that going through is that is that taken down yet.

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Is our representative now lynn, matthews? Okay? Basically, it's from 41 all the way up to macedonia and half of macedonia on the right-hand side, yeah, it's district four! Now, okay or mayor marilyn, matthews, okay,.

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Well, I say: I'm gonna drop the hammer here. Let's get started uh we're going to have pledge of allegiance, then roll call, which is a little bit different.

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Pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all uh who's.

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Gonna do roll call.

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I will do it for you all right, chairperson, norman ashworth,.

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Dick dardy rick.

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Shawn harrigan here ian milne.

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David, thank you.

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Right, we're all president accounted for uh announcements. It says next.

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I have no announcements, sir now does anybody else have.

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Any announcements.

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Okay, moving right along the next meeting is uh scheduled february 8th. Does anybody have any problems with that? No.

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Okay, uh that we can go back to next, so you want to make an announcement norm in that.

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Next meeting is my last one: my term is up the 22nd of february and I wouldn't be eligible anyway, because we're moving to southport- and I don't think that qualifies as being in burnt store isles.

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Yeah well, thank you very much for your service, everyone. I know everybody appreciates that and we're going to be you're going to be missed. Oh yeah, most.

B

Definitely yeah.

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All righty uh no problem uh next meeting moving on, uh let's see is public comments. Does it there's nobody to swear? I don't know if there's going to be any public comments, so there's no public comments expected so we'll move right along with that, I guess we're going to go to approval in the minutes. Has everybody read over the menace any comments nor moves? Second,.

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Sean second any comments: if not all in favor, all right so moved uh reports I'll leave it.

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To you kathy, thank you, sir. uh You have three months of finance reports. Were there any questions or concerns.

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Okay, thank you.

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uh Moving on to the budget utilization report- and we have october november december's reports here, as you can see, we haven't spent any money yet because we haven't done anything yet we just moved into burnt store isles to do seawall repair, so we haven't even the invoices that we have haven't reflected on our budgeting software. Yet so you'll see some spending in our next meeting right. Okay, seawall replacement status report.

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um As you can see, we did experience a sea wall failure. I think I emailed everybody and let you know that we had a seawall failure on tripoli. uh They should be moving over there this week, right now, they're on port vendress, uh they're, they're gonna, be they should have completed, setting the sea wall from there and then they're going to move over to tripoli to take care of that failed sea wall.

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How long would that take? Do you think.

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uh It usually takes six weeks start to finish start.

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To finish on that particular section, yep, then the next one after that scheduled, I guess it's over there across from dave.

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uh Lasilla would be the next one, so okay and then st jiren's san lorenzo monaco, san masimo and macedonia.

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What's that one, I guess there's four lots there across from you.

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Yeah I heard rumors that.

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Lasilla, yes, we're not doing all four lots. We might be taking a portion of one lot because we typically take a seawall replacement to the construction cap joint. So that might end up like one or two panels into another property.

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Any questions or concerns with the stats report.

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Permits by the city, I only was able to print one page and I had three permits on there. So I don't know if that's all the active permits we have for the month of january, but we have three active permits: okay,.

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Those are building permits all are within the standard permitting requirements. Yes, no special permits. Yes, yes, thank you. Yes sounds good to me.

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Okay, mr disher, isn't here so I'm going to cover for him as far as the capital improvement program, um the bsi inlet widening, which is widening the lock that is still up into procurement. We expect that to hit the streets next week. Okay, we've had um just some contract, rewriting things. Some definitions had to reach out to the permitting agency to get a definition of what they were. Looking for and stuff like that,.

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So the rfq is going out next week. You expect to go out next week.

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Well, we don't call it an rfq, because we call it a bid because it's a multi-million dollar project whatever so.

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So it's a bid we'll go out next week and what's going to be the response time on that.

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So you can expect about two months. We usually give them a month. um You know just because we have some specialized material um so and they need to. Let us know what their lead time is and stuff like that. So.

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So we're looking at around first middle of april, the bid should be in and yeah going through evaluation and be ready to issue a contract. Yeah give or take.

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Yeah, I think everyone has heard that you know we have uh material shortages, construction, material shortages. So we don't know what kind of lead time the contractor is going to need, but we will see when the bids come in.

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And we're still targeting summer summer. Well, the lead time will determine that.

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Okay, that was my big question. Obviously, yeah.

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You had mentioned multi-million dollars.

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No, no, no! No! It's not multi-million dollars. My apologies. I exaggerated. I'm sorry, it's like wow! I I think one of the.

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Was 80 000.

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I'm sorry, I thought I'd turn that up.

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um I think it last meeting dave correct me. If I'm wrong, did you request a copy of those documents that you're wanting to look at.

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I love the big documents yeah. You said that.

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Would you like that um we don't have the final document yet because procurement's still working on them, but I can.

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Ask them kind of. I was curious what the scope of work looked like. Okay, the stuff you sent out kind of answered that too.

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Okay, the construction plans and stuff yeah; okay.

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Yeah, I would like to see those two construction plans. Okay, and you know the big documents itself, it doesn't have to be all the boilerplate per se, but at least yeah the meat of what's kind.

D

Of going back to that the sea wall stuff, has anybody ever questioned? You know a number of people who go there and have the boat lift dug out. Does that contribute to the premature or possible failure, because now you've changed that slope instead of like this, it kind of goes down.

C

My apologies, mr perkins. What was your question.

D

You we've had sea warfares and I just wanted- I think you may have answered before, but people typically, if they can't get their boat off, they want somebody coming in direct under the boat lift and that so now you have a nice slope, that's generated over time and all of a sudden you've got the slope and a wall has that any study been done or any thing considered that doing that is contributing to some of these failures.

C

Now um the one thing that we know about bsi is it's built on a rock ledge, so we we know that a lot of our sea walls either have insufficient berms or they weren't embedded enough because of the rock ledge.

C

So that's the one thing we do know and and of course the dockside dredging they're not supposed to get closer than seven feet to the seawall, but, like you said they had this nice slope and then, when they excavate all that.

D

It'll, just slope back down even seven feet. That's stuff! That's up there over time! Gravity's gonna, take over. It's gonna slide that down again to try to level out.

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So that could come yeah. I understand.

C

I mean if, if you I don't mean to plant a seed, but if you all wanted to put like rip rap at the toe of all the sea walls, that would be a very expensive project to do, but that's something that you know that you could consider you know just just to protect the berm. But then, if someone were to put in a dock, they'd have to remove that rip, wrap to put the the dock pilings in it. It's a lot of trouble.

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It might be better off maybe doing some pinning or something at the bottom rather than rip rap, but again there's an additional cost just to drive some pins down there into the into the rock but anyway, okay, anything else kenny.

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uh No, oh, we do have the um master permitting agreement yep. So what do I know about that? Hang on a second, so we still don't have um our seawall rip rap permit still has not been issued, we're still under the old permit. Okay, because we are in the application process, it's currently in army corps of engineers, and they are waiting to um meet with national marine fisheries.

C

So we're still working on that the dredging permit um that is going to be submitted next week, that is, for the inlet, dredging and the dockside dredging. Okay- and let me see- and that's about it, for bsi.

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One uh one other thing: I know that you were having the semi-annual inspections done.

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How is that progressing.

C

So I'm actually on the boat this year, the sea wall assessment did start in december. We expect to be in the burnt store aisles the first week of february. Okay, we have ninety five thousand forty two lineal feed up to inspect, so we figure that'll take probably about a week week and a half, but right now we're in the bird section and of course we only go out there during uh low.

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One thing that we're finding is that a lot of our low tides are during the darker hours of the day, so we're only able to get maybe three four hours on the boat maximum so but we're doing we're doing the best we can getting it done. Okay,.

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uh One other question here: I know we're kind of off because it's a quiet crowd here today um you had mentioned to me. I guess it was after one of my articles in the newspaper uh or on our newsletter that you've gotten some good responses from from residents reporting to you about seawall conditions.

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Got several calls? um Actually it was kind of good. It got some neighbors out in their backyard. We got a lot of depression requests. We got a lot of inspection requests, um a lot of the inspection requests were it was great. You know we have it documented yeah, there's a crack in your wallet or cracking your cap, but nothing um we didn't find anything really bad out there. So we did, you know we got. We got through the depressions got them filled.

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So I do also want to go back to the seawall assessment. Once we do complete the sea ball assessment, we'll come back to the board again and let you know what our findings are. Okay, I'll, let you know you know all that good stuff, we'll submit a report to you guys so you'll be able to see that. So you can figure that probably sometime in march, probably in our march meeting it all depends. We have to bring the data back and it gets post-processed and then we'll bring that back either march or april.

C

um I do want to let you know that the we went out for bids for the mangrove services, our annual contract, we weren't quite happy with, um and so I thought well, let's try something different. Let's go out for a bid to do it all at once. So I put pgi and bsi together we advertise for bids. We only got two bids in um and one of them was from the contractor. That's currently doing it and he was the lowest bidder, so he's got it, but he is under different contract requirements this time.

C

Okay, so he has a hundred days to complete all of the mangrove trimming that po is issued today. So I think it's february 9th is when he starts he's supposed to start his mangrove trimming and again he's doing both pgi and bsi. I didn't see a significant cost savings at all. It was pretty much about the same across the board for both pgi and bsi, but hopefully we can get better services out of it. This time we have a little bit stronger language in it.

C

The contract we had before we shared with the parks department and the right-of-way department, because not only did they do mangrove trimming, but they did tree trimming tree removal and things of that nature. So, but I think with just a mangrove. I just wanted to see if we could get a better price or a better service if we went and contracted our own contract out, so we'll see what we get with that we still have the other contract in place.

C

So if we wanted to use those services for additional trimming or whatever, we still have that option available to us.

B

And how kathy? How do we define where the problem areas are? Do we provide them with a a marked up chart from the gis, or is it just on an inspection basis where they see the drip line.

C

It's it's basically on an inspection basis, the mangroves change all the time we had that big windstorm. We had a lot of mangroves that were knocked down from that big wind storm, yeah, okay and a lot of mangroves changed their structure. You know I'm saying out at ponson like I'll, give you for an example. I have a lot of trees that are like at a 45 degree angle. We have to do something about that, because that's a navigational hazard, so it's going to be inspection based. They do have maps you know.

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So um the only thing this time is, they will be riding on the boat with me during that final inspection after the mangroves have been trimmed.

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You know they have 100 days to complete everything, so they have to be efficient that you know they have to pull staging permits. So I can't I won't, have barges parked at a lock for weeks at a time you know I have contract language that will actually back up some action that I'll be able to take. So I'm hoping we'll get a little better service here. So I hope you appreciate that we'll see what happens. Yeah, okay, I'm trying something new! You know. I appreciate it.

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You know who knows it might be for nothing but we're trying. You know.

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Definitely not.

D

Over anger and just keep driving how long they can keep it blocked before they have to open up, or is it going to be blocked for specific hours a day, and so you can tell all the residents you can't go through the localities, this four hours or what kind of wording we do so.

C

I know that you have a set of construction plans, so on page two there's a bunch of notes. On page two and you'll see it's like almost like a third down from the page, it'll say when the lock will be open, so residents are able to uh schedule their coming and going and and stuff like that.

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Maybe something you want to.

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Yeah I'll put that in the newsletter definitely.

D

They will be pitching a fit. Oh yeah.

C

Well, let's wait until we get the schedule from them, you know and because there may not even be a need for that. You know, or there might be a limited need for that right. You.

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Know if it's even an hour or two you're, better off putting it out there, oh.

C

Yeah yeah, I agree. Okay,.

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uh Nope, that's about it. uh We do have in your packets, the bernster isles canal advisory committee, meeting dates.

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Yeah I was going to say that, okay, I'm sorry, no, that's fine! Just because I was going to say that's the last thing I saw on my notes.

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If it's basically, you know when we meet, but does anybody have a comment or question or concern with any of these dates for next for this year,.

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All right, I'm hearing that I guess we're we're good there. Okay, so any closing comments, guys anything else. No! I have one the uh you didn't get sworn in now.

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On up come on up mr fritz and give us your name and at.

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The association meeting, the police chief was there and she says they're getting two new police boats, one to be stationed in bsi permanently. So I don't know where I'm gonna put it, but it's gonna be there. So that should help. That's.

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With the radar for at night, so they don't know yeah.

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I but I was, I was glad to hear that they're actually going to have a vote specifically for that. So that's great news.

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That's great news: good.

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All right, if nothing else, I'm waiting for a motion.

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I move we adjourn.

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Norm moves second, second dave seconds we're adjourned. Thank.

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You everyone thank you.

B

That might be a record. What's that might be a record 20 minutes.

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Well, I just wanted to have one guys. You know blame me, but I know you know every been a couple months so and then I'll leave the minutes here. I've signed those from last time. So were you moving over you're moving to southport.