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Planning Commission Meeting 04-25-2022
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Yes,
sorry,
and
so
we
will
start
meeting
there
in
august
and
the
reason
why
we
included
the
meeting
dates
is
just
to
let
you
guys
know
ahead
of
time,
because
they
will
have.
We
will
be
giving
those
meeting
dates
to
the
museum
and
we
won't
be
able
to
change
them.
The
only
thing
we'll
be
able
to
do
is
cancel
them.
So
if
everyone's
okay
with
those
meeting
dates,
they're
the
typical
dates
we
have.
E
E
B
D
E
A
E
A
B
E
E
So,
even
if
you
think
you
might
be
speaking
during
the
public
hearings,
it's
okay
to
stand
up,
even
if
you
don't
okay,
so
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
in
today's
proceedings
right
when
you
are
ready
to
speak,
please
approach
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
indicate
you've
been
sworn.
Thank
you.
D
E
D
All
yours
all
right,
thanks
leah,
all
right!
Our
next
meeting
is
may
23rd
2022
in
this
area,
all
right
to
start
our
meeting,
we're
going
to
have
public
comments.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission
on
any
subject
may
do
so
at
the
at
this
time.
You
have
three
minutes.
Please
state
your
name
for
the
record
come
to
this
podium,
and
this
is
not
the
quasi-judicial.
H
H
Dover
cole
wants
us
to
continue
to
revitalize
the
city's
tpg
zoning
by
reducing
residential
parking
from
two
to
one
and
a
half
spaces
per
unit,
and
by
increasing
density
from
10
to
25
units
per
acre
and
allowing
cottage
courts,
which
I
read
tiny
homes
in
the
middle
of
our
historic
district.
We
all
know
that
the
majority
of
homes
here
need
and
use
two
car
spaces
per
home.
In
fact,
section
10.7
of
the
our
new
ordinance
references,
the
institute
of
transportation,
engineering,
ite
parking
manual
that
does
require
two
parking
spaces
per
apartment,
multi-family
or
home.
H
Please
give
us
two
spaces,
then
section
10.6,
which
is
here
states
existing
or
newly
created
on
street
public
parking
directly
at
budding
or
within
600
feet
from
the
development
site
may
be
counted
towards
fulfilling
the
on
the
on-site
parking
ratios.
I've
talked
to
mitchell.
He
says
mitchell
austin,
the
principal
planner
says
this
is
inappropriate
and
he's
correct,
because
the
effect
of
this
language
is
no
off
street
parking.
No
on-site
parking
would
be
required.
H
Dover
coal
thinks
our
downtown
residents
should
learn
to
walk
and
bike
to
the
city
core,
but
in
conflict
with
that
vision
is
the
fact
our
average
age
is
70
we're
not
nearly
as
ambulatory
as
we
used
to
be
and
we
are
living
in
a
tropical
climate
for
six
months
of
the
year.
No
one
wants
to
chance
the
rain
and
humidity.
During
our
summer
months
to
walk
to
dinner.
We
drive
we
park,
we
have
two
cars.
H
The
increased
density
is
probably
to
allow
for
the
new
cottage
court
concept,
where
five
to
twelve
tiny
homes
of
500
square
feet
can
be
structured,
can
be
constructed
on
a
slightly
oversized
home
lot
of
twelve
thousand
square
feet.
I
believe
that
to
be
illegally
to
be
legally
cost
effective,
it
would
require
creation
of
a
condominium.
H
Since
you
have
common
courtyards
common
walkways
common
parking
spaces
think
how
residents
of
pgi
and
vsi
would
take
to
a
tiny
home
condo
in
their
backyard.
Condominiums
and
multi-family
complexes
have
their
place,
but
not
in
our
single-family
residential
districts.
We
don't
need
to
further
fractionalize
our
remaining
large
properties
to
to
to
be
revitalized.
We
are
already
a
downtown
of
mul
small
lots.
Please
don't
revitalize
us
with
more
on-street
parking.
Smaller
lots
and
smaller
homes
give
us
two
parking
spaces,
as
recommended
by
the
ite.
H
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I
You
know
it's
crazy
mitchell.
Could
you
put
that
slide
back
up?
Please
downtown
core
a
lot
of
less
than
twenty
thousand
feet
which,
under
the
new
zoning,
would
give
you
twelve
plus
units
of
residential,
no
parking
at
all
required
where
they
gonna
park.
They're
gonna
park
on
a
street
downtown
core
lots
over
20
000
square
feet,
one
space
per
unit,
one
that's
40
units
in
a
building
of
one
acre:
okay,
one
space
per
unit.
That
means
40
spaces
are
going
to
be
people
parking
on
the
street.
I
I
I
don't
understand
it,
I'm
going
to
predict
something
I'm
going
to
predict
that
if
this
happens
that
parking
garage
that
you're
not
allowed
to
park
in
at
night
there's
going
to
have
to
get
permission
for
people
to
park
there,
and
why
should
the
residents
of
pgi
bsi
end
up
paying
for
a
private
parking
garage
for
the
people
coming
into
new
development?
It
is
absolutely
crazy
and
one
more
thing:
the
commercial
real
estate
development
for
36
years,
seven
years
on
a
municipal
planning
board,
I've
been
to
a
lot
of
meetings.
I
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Provisions
of
section
171.044
florida
statutes,
redefining
the
boundary
lines
of
said
city
in
conformance
herewith,
amending
the
official
boundary
map
of
the
city
of
pontogorda
florida
directing
the
city
clerk
to
provide
certified
copies
of
this
ordinance
to
the
charlotte
county
clerk
of
the
court,
charlotte
county
administrator
florida
department
of
state
and
florida
department
of
economic
and
demographic
research
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Ms
hannon.
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C
Zero
zero
burnt
store
road,
we're
annexing
the
subject
property
into
the
city
boundary
it
allows
the
applicant
to
become
part
of
a
municipality,
contributes
to
contiguous
growth.
To
strengthen
our
municipality,
the
property
is
approximately
19.59,
plus
or
minus
acres.
It
is
an
existing
developed
property
does
not
create
an
enclave.
C
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B
G
I
didn't
know
what
we
were
going
to
talk
about
today,
exactly
specifically
about
this,
but
madame
chair,
we've
been
working
on
this
for
quite
some
time
is
certain
a
group
of
individuals
in
the
park
we've
had.
I
don't
know
how
many,
how
many
times
we've
had
the
city
come
out
and
speak
to
us
about
their
annexation
procedures
and
just
show
us
the
advantages
and
possible
disadvantages
of
being
in
the
city
and
we've
we've
taken.
We've
had
a
couple
elections.
G
G
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Hi,
my
name
is
jim
borland.
I've
been
sworn
in.
I
am
a
resident
of
river
haven,
I'm
also
resident
of
florida,
a
taxpayer
of
charlotte
county.
I
have
some
objections
to
the
way
this
was
presented.
Okay,
the
voting
was
on
a
share
basis.
It
was
not
on
a
homeowner
basis.
I
felt
that
I'm
a
homeowner,
I
pay
my
taxes.
I
should
have
a
vote.
J
J
J
J
J
We
have
not
had
a
chance
to
meet
as
a
group
we
met
when
you
came
and
gave
your
proposals,
but
there
has
not
been
a
chance
for
our
community.
I
say
community,
they
say
corporation
because
that's
the
way
they
ran
it
through
as
a
corporation,
we
have
not
had
a
chance
to
meet
and
discuss
all
of
the
pros
and
cons.
J
J
J
The
big
reason
that-
and
I
I
served
on
the
committee
in
researching
all
of
this-
but
I
was
pretty
well
silenced-
okay,
because
there
were
three
board
members
on
the
committee
and
then
two
of
us
non-board
members.
So
there
were
several
reasons
that
I
personally
felt
you
know
for
our
community
we're
a
small
community
with
a
lot
of
older,
older
mobile
homes
in
there,
and
one
of
your
stipulations
is
that
you
cannot
make
improvements
on
the
home
that
exceed
50
of
the
value
of
the
home.
J
J
J
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A
G
D
28,
township,
41,
south
range,
23,
east
charlotte,
county
florida
being
more
particularly
described
and
shown
in
exhibit
a
attached
here
to
and
incorporated
herein
and
addressed
as
10
100
burnt
store
road
punta
gorda
florida
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Lisa
good.
C
Afternoon,
lisa
hannan
sounding
official-
I
have
been
sworn
I'd
like
to
enter
the
staff
report
into
the
record
in
its
entirety
by
reference.
This
is
the
second
ordinance
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
Future
land
use
amendment
going
along
with
the
voluntary
annexation
application.
Again
the
property
is
19.59
plus
or
minus
acres.
C
C
So
it's
for
the
mobile
manufactured
home
community
future
land
use.
This
is
for
the
rezoning
I
apologize.
It
will
provide
apply
all
the
provisions
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
There
are
existing
buildings,
no
new
development
as
planned,
and
it
is
currently
served
by
municipal,
water
and
wastewater.
C
Concurrency
requirements
roadway,
it
is
an
existing
roadway
network
and
it
will
meet
the
present
and
future
needs
potable
water
and
sanitary
service.
That's
already
within
the
utility
service
area
and
currently
served
with
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewer,
storm
water
and
drainage.
It
is
a
pre-existing
residential
property.
No
additional
development
is
needed
at
this
time
for
storm
water,
solid
waste.
The
county's
facility
has
sufficient
capacity
parks
and
recreation.
C
It's
a
pre-existing
residential
property
and
no
additional
development
for
parks
and
recreation
is
required,
and
public
schools
is
not
applicable
due
to
the
status
as
a
pre-existing
age,
qualified
residential
property.
The
application
is
in
order
and
the
statutory
requirements
have
been
met.
It
is
consistent
with
the
city
of
puna
gorda
adopted,
2040,
comprehensive
plan.
The
rezoning
application
is
running
is
required
and
running
concurrently
with
both
the
annexation
and
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
applications.
D
J
J
D
You
again,
thank
you
all
right.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record.
You
have
three
minutes.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record.
You
have
three
minutes
last
call.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record.
F
G
C
C
7.3.4.1
7.3.4.5
intergovernmental
coordination
policy,
9.1.1
0.1,
parent,
b
and
capital
improvements,
objective,
10.1.4
and
policy
10.1.4.1
concurrency
requirements.
It
is
an
existing
roadway
network
and
it
will
meet
the
present
and
future
needs
currently
served
with
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewer
within
our
utility
service
area.
C
C
The
application
is
in
order.
Statutory
requirements
have
been
satisfied.
The
request
is
consistent
with
the
city's
co
2040
comprehensive
plan
and
the
rezoning
is
application
is
the
last
component
of
the
voluntary
annexation
process.
Urban
design
staff
finds
it
consistent
with
our
2040
comprehensive
plan
and
recommends
approval
of
planned
development,
neighborhood
01
2022.
C
D
D
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record.
You
have
three
minutes
last
call.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission
please
come
to
the
podium
on
the
right.
You
have
three
minutes
all
right
see.
None
may
have
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing.
D
L
L
This
is
the
second
presentation
of
this
first
draft.
In
our
first
presentation
to
the
planning
commission,
we
spoke
regarding
the
regulating
districts
and
the
architectural
provisions,
and
that's
where
the
main
body
of
the
changes
the
proposed
changes
are
located
in
those
two
articles
of
chapter
26..
L
Article
4
is
uses
permitted
with
conditions.
There
are
several
changes
in
those
conditional
uses
based
on
the
proposed
changes
in
article
3..
Some
of
those
changes
are
about
deleting
outdated
language,
and
some
of
them
are
about
complying
with
current
state
statute,
and
some
of
them
are
about
actual
changes
within
those
zoning
classifications,
so
that
there's
additional
clarity
actually
baked
into
the
provisions
of
the
code
rather
than
needing
it
in
article
4..
L
L
And
so
article
6
is
about
application
of
regulations,
and
there
are
a
couple
minor
changes
there
related
specifically
to
the
traditional
puna
gorda
zoning
district,
and
it's
about
clarifying
those,
because
these,
these
application
of
regulations
is
specifically
called
out
in
article
three.
What
those
parameters
are
within
the
traditional
puna
gorda
zoning
district,
the
first
article
that
we
get
to
where
there
are
some
major
changes
is
in
article
8,
and
this
is
general
standards
of
applicability,
section,
8.1,
historic
districts
and
landmarks,
and
this
section
we're
defining
those
historic
and
neighborhood
contra
conservation
districts.
L
We've
also
relocated
some
existing
content.
That's
in
article
3,
section
3.14
from
article
3
to
this
section
for
better,
better
clarity,
so
that
all
of
those
provisions
are
located
in
one
package
instead
of
scattered
through
the
document
and
again,
the
historic
districts
and
landmarks
are,
as
seen
on
the
on
the
screen.
There's
three
historic
districts
with
the
grace
street,
mid-century,
modern
and
added
district
and
then
the
fourth,
the
neighborhood
conservation
district.
L
A
L
Updating
language
to
be
consistent
with
state
statute
in
terms
of
adult
congregate,
living
facilities,
clarifying
steep
street
frontage
requirements
as
they
apply
to
the
traditional
puna
gorda
zoning
classification
and
carving
out
an
exception
for
outdoor
sales,
where
they
are
explicitly
permitted,
because
there
are
several
places
in
the
code
where
they
are
now
explicitly
permitted.
So
we
need
to
just
draw
attention
to
that.
L
We
have
not
proceeded
with
giving
the
giving
the
consultant
direction
to
completely
rewrite
this
article,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
following
along
this
path
in
terms
of
having
form-based
codes.
So
in
the
second
draft,
which
will
be
coming
up
in
a
few
months
regarding
this,
these
proposed
changes.
L
L
L
So
within
this
traditional
puna
gorda
zoning
district,
the
proposal
is
for
more
or
less
non-standard
parking
requirements.
Non-Standard
parking
require
standard
parking
requirements
are
built
for
suburban
development.
That's
what
they're
designed
for
is
auto
automotive,
first
planning,
so
you
you
tend
to
get
large
setbacks.
Lots
of
car
parking
and
buildings
that
are
very
far
apart,
separated
uses
these
parking
requirements
that
are
proposed
are
based
largely
on
what's
already
in
the
existing
code.
L
Now,
what's
in
the
existing
code
was
drafted
in
o5
with
some
revisions
in
06
and
07,
but
these
parking
requirements
for
the
downtown
and
surrounding
areas
were
really
designed
to
encourage
the
reuse
of
existing
historic
buildings
to
promote
infill
development
and
redevelopment
and
to
create
a
more
walkable
and
human
scale.
Streetscape
and
as
a
result
of
all
of
those
things,
you
would
see
a
larger
tax
base
within
a
fairly
compact
geographic
area.
L
So
what
is
typical,
suburban
parking
requirements?
So
this
is
an
example,
and
this
was
actually
created
by
city
staff
way
back
in
2005,
when
we
were
initially
talking
about
these
the
parking
requirements
in
these
areas,
typical,
suburban
you're,
going
to
get
one
space
for
200,
maybe
250
square
feet
of
retail.
That's
what's
in
our
current
code
for
areas
outside
of
this
is
one
space
per
250
square
feet
of
retail
building.
L
So
if
you
had
a
12,
000
square
foot
development
site,
you
might
be
able
to
squeeze
a
2
500
square
foot
building
and
get
your
10
required
parking
spaces
on
that
site.
And
that's
what
the
illustrative
example
there
is
is
10
parking
spaces
with
a
2500
square
foot
building
in
a
downtown
area.
You
would
also
expect
there
to
be
some
on
street
parking,
given
the
width
of
the
lot
three
spaces.
L
I
have
taxable
value
written
here
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
concerned
about
is
ensuring
that
our
downtown
core
produces
the
kind
of
tax
base
that
we
need
to
support
the
wealth
of
government
services
and
and
public
spaces
that
are
available
in
the
downtown
area,
and
this
number
of
250
000
is
actually
based
on
taxable
values:
a
random
sample
of
buildings
in
the
downtown
area,
as
they're
assessed
by
the
charlotte
county
property
appraiser.
This
is
just
for
the
building,
not
the
land,
underneath
it.
L
So
with
this
a
developer,
could
a
property
owner
could
potentially,
with
their
12
000
square
foot
site,
build
a
7,
000
square
foot,
retail
building
still
get
their
required,
seven
parking
spaces
on
their
site,
still
retaining
the
three
on
street
parking
spaces
in
front
of
them.
The
taxable
value
here
is
going
up
because
there's
more
building
to
700
000.
Now
the
taxable
value
of
a
parking
lot
is
basically
the
land
cost.
There
there's
no
additional
taxable
value.
If
you
have
one
parking
space
or
100
parking
spaces,
it's
just
how
much
land
do
you
have.
L
So
in
that
area
that
core
area
of
downtown,
if
you
have
that
twelve
thousand
square
foot
site,
you
can
put
a
ten
thousand
square
foot
building,
you
can
squeeze
a
couple
parking
spaces
in
the
back
on
an
alley
and
you
would
still
have
the
three
on
freight
spaces
and
from
a
taxable
value
perspective.
We're
now
at
four
times
the
suburban
typical
in
terms
of
the
benefit
to
providing
those
government,
goods,
goods
and
services.
L
L
The
current
draft
proposal
is
within
this
downtown
core
area
for
lots.
Smaller
than
20
000
square
feet,
which
is
a
little
bit
less
than
half
an
acre.
There
would
be
no
minimum
parking
requirement
on
lots
of
this
size.
Parking
is
highly
inefficient.
You
get
like.
In
the
example,
we
showed
a
single
loaded
drive
aisle
of
parking.
L
L
L
The
consultant
is
also
proposing
to
add
a
parking
specific
parking
requirement
for
marinas
because
we
do
have
the
potential
for
a
couple
of
marinas
in
the
downtown
area
and
currently
there
are
no
additional
parking
requirements
for
that
marine
in
use.
So
that's
that's,
definitely
a
miss
within
the
current
code
and
we
want
to
rectify
that
within
the
within
the
update.
L
The
third
and
final
level
of
of
this
sort
of
non-standard
parking
requirement
is
here
for
all
other
regulating
districts.
So
on
the
map,
everything-
that's
not
that
gray
area,
which
is
the
downtown
core.
All
these
other
areas.
The
proposed
parking
requirements
are
1.5
parking
spaces
per
dwelling,
one
space
per
500
square,
feet
of
office
or
retail
uses
for
institutional,
medical
and
government.
It's
a
25
reduction
to
the
required
parking
called
out
in
section
10.7
b,
we're
retaining
an
industrial
parking
requirement
from
the
current
code
and
then
again
that
marina
parking
requirement.
L
So
again,
these
are
primarily
based
on
the
existing
allowances
in
the
code
and
and
the
they
are
a
slight
reduction
in
several
areas.
However,
you
can't
get
to
many
of
those
parking
requirements
based
on
the
provisions
that
are
the
way
that
is
actually
written
in
section
10.7,
as
it
currently
exists.
L
Article
11,
there
are
no
substantive
changes
to
that
article
because
we're
we're
just
updating
the
new
regulating
district
names.
So
that's
pretty
straightforward
in
article
12,
it's
regulating
the
up
the
district
names
again.
The
the
major
changes
is
section
10.4,
where
we
have
a
soil
erosion
section
which
is
pulled
over
from
article
8,
section
8.13,
and
then
we're
also
clarifying
the
when
a
landscape
plan
is
required.
L
So
moving
that
threshold
to
be
in
line
with
the
proposed
revisions
to
the
traditional
puna
board,
zoning
district,
we
included
in
your
packet
article
13
events
and
because
there
this
this
draft
had
some
proposed
changes
there.
When
we
adopted
the
sign
ordinance
back
in
in
2021
in
in
june,
that
ordinance
actually
repealed
these
sections
of
article
13.
so
that
that
section
didn't
need
to
be
included
or
reviewed,
because
those
sections
should
be
stricken
in
their
entirety
actually
based
on
on
the
sign
standards
review
authorities.
L
L
L
Article
17,
some
language
changes
and
definitions
and
removal
of
redundant
subsections
for
non-conforming
uses
again
a
pretty
straightforward
set
of
changes
trying
to
streamline
as
much
as
possible
the
process.
Part
of
this
document,
article
19,
is
definitions
for
the
entire
code,
so
this
is
a
glossary
of
terms.
L
We're
also
looking
at
what
we
may
need
to
add
in
terms
of
images
to
clarify
those
terms
and
again,
as
it's
noted
here,
this
is
still
a
work
in
progress.
This
is
a
partial
draft.
We
still
need
to
work
through
all
of
the
definitions
that
are
needed
or
may
need
to
be
modified
or
changed
based
on
changes
to
flora's
statute
which
have
changed
again
since
we've
looked
at
this
pretty
hard.
L
D
L
L
L
Over
the
past
decade,
plus
we've
seen
many
developers
come
in
and
build
duplexes
on
multi-family
land
because
they
actually
get
higher
residential
density
yields.
That
way,
which
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
for
them
or
ultimately,
for
the
community,
because
you
end
up
with
the
same
problem
with
a
small
lot.
L
There
was
a
desire
by
the
city,
a
policy
goal
set
to
incentivize
infill
development
and
redevelopment
of
underdeveloped
sites
within
this
area.
So,
yes,
there's
a
stated.
A
30-year
32-year
history
stated
goal
of
pushing
as
much
development
redevelopment
into
this
area
as
possible
to
make
it
as
self-sufficient
as
possible
in
terms
of
of
its
tax
base.
G
L
And
I
believe
the
city
marketplace,
plus
you
save-
you-
may
be
looking
at.
Let's
just
say
for
the
sake
of
argument:
11
acres
so
11
times,
15
is
165.,
so
today
it
would
be
165
units
on
those
two
sites
for
the
proposed.
If
they
maxed
out
everything.
I
believe
it's
40
units
per
acre
is
what's
in
the
current
proposal
times.
11
would
be
440,
so
minus
your
165
275,
more
residential
dwellings
for
those
11
acres.
L
G
L
If
you,
if
you
look
at
deeply
into
the
dark
recesses
of
transportation
model,
it
usually
has
an
exemption
around
areas
like
this
that
have
a
well-developed
street
grid
and
it
pushes
more
traffic
to
it.
Basically,
it
keeps
the
traffic
on
the
principal
arterials
instead
of
letting
it
bleed
over
onto
the
onto
the
side
streets
because
they
can't
get
the
major
roadways
to
fail.
Otherwise,
so
in
terms
of
like
traffic
like
moving
vehicles
around
there's
not
really
an
issue
there,
there
is
definitely
an
issue
and
not
a
technical
issue.
B
L
L
So
you
know
one
of
the
nice
one
of
the
bad
things
about
our
location
is
that
we
are
at
this
regional
crossroads.
One
of
the
nice
things
about
our
location
is
that
we
are
at
this
regional
crossroads.
We
actually
have
good
connectivity
to
the
rest
of
the
state
to
the
north
south
and
to
the
center
via
17.
L
One
thing
that
we
see
quite
frequently
now
and
it
shows
up
in
the
actual
transportation
data
and
the
actual
trip
counts
and
the
location
like
the
origin
destination
data
is
that
a
lot
of
the
trips
that
we
experience
in
downtown
pontegorta
today
aren't
coming
here
and
don't
originate
from
here.
So
it's
the
the
person
in
port
charlotte
driving
to
fort
myers
or
the
person
in
north
fort
myers,
driving
to
northport
or
or
wherever.
L
However,
what
you
see
in
a
well-developed
city
is
that
those
areas
are
quote-unquote
so
congested
that
people
avoid
them,
so
they
plan
their
trip
to
avoid
that
core
area,
and
one
would
anticipate
that
that
would
happen
and
not
too
distant
of
future,
where
you
know
on
the
worst.
You
know
middle
of
the
season
day,
instead
of
choosing
to
drive
up
41
from
north
fort
myers,
they
zip
over
to
75
at
tucker's
grade
and
then
jet
across
I-75
to
get
to
their
destination
in
north
port.
L
So
obviously,
that's
an
anecdote
of
what's
going
to
happen,
but
that
that
would
be
the
anticipation
is
that
some
of
this
regional
traffic
that
we
currently
see
using
us
would
would
shift
that
that
pattern
would
shift.
And,
yes
our
pattern,
we
would
have
more
congestion,
but
we
would
be
essentially
the
same.
Our
trips
would
be
shorter
because
there'd
be
more
stuff
here
for
us,
as
a
community.
J
A
Potentially
a
rush
hour
issue
that
people
in
the
morning
going
to
work
and
and
coming
home
in
the
afternoon
or
children
to
school,
or
you
know
it
depends
on
the
demographic
of
the
of
the
possible
occupancy
of
those
areas,
but
it
it's
it's
going
to
be
an
issue,
and
I
don't.
I
don't
believe
that
there's
a
I
don't
believe,
there's
a
way
to
avoid
it
or
to
soften
it.
I
mean
you
talk
about
walkability,
that's
wonderful!
F
F
The
left-hand
lane
is
automatically
people
start
backing
up
across
the
bridge
because
they're
all
turning
left
on
on
17
heading
out
or
they're,
going
one
more
down
to
taylor,
but
it's
becoming
just
one
big
long
left
turn
lane
and
it's
kind
of
happening.
A
little
bit
sort
of
you
know
going
northbound
as
well.
It's
already
getting
a
little.
F
I
don't
know
furball
right
there
in
the
in
the
you
know:
4117
interchange,
between
the
bridges
and
between
the
streets
and
and
there's
no
relief.
You
know,
there's
not
someplace
easy
to
bail
out.
You
can't
bail
out
coming
this
way
down,
harbor
view
to
7
to
75
or
something
like
that.
There's
no
easy
escape,
there's,
not
another
major
artery
as
a
as
an
offload,
I
mean
I
saw
something
like
this
in
myrtle
beach
years
ago,
and
they
ended
up
having
to
build
an
entire
bypass
around
the
city.
F
G
L
L
I
don't
think
that's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
now
or
moving
forward,
because
you
get
the
traffic
that
you
plan
for
you
can
you
can
have
two
lanes
of
traffic,
four
lanes
of
traffic
or
six
lanes
of
traffic
or
like
the
katy
freeway
in
houston,
texas,
you
can
have
26
lanes
of
traffic
but
you're
going
to
have
the
congestion
that
you
plan
for
the
only
place
that
I
know
of
that
solved.
Congestion
is
detroit
michigan.
L
L
D
Don't
think
it's
just
the
traveling
through
I
mean,
let's
go
back
to
the
fact
that
you're
well
aware
that
we
had
to
put
a
special
parking
ordinance
in
place
for
the
historic
district.
So
if
you
do
this
kind
of
density,
you're
just
going
to
dump
more
cars
on
the
streets
in
that
neighborhood,
because
they're
going
to
have
to
go
somewhere,
especially
at
1.5
for
dwelling,
that's
a
problem.
F
When
you
also
look
at
rush
hour
for
other
people
commuting
through
our
area
as
a
district
hub
people
heading
to
arcadia,
cape
coral,
whatever,
and
then
people
here,
especially
in
season
going
out
to
dinner,
what
time
are
they
going
out
and
everything
all
of
that
hits
at
almost
exactly
the
same
time?
In
exactly
the
same
place,
we've
got
the
concentration
of
the
food
service
areas
and
the
through
traffic.
D
D
A
As
we
progress
with
this
planning
activity,
I
think
some
of
the
some
of
the
pitfalls
are
are
are
coming
to
light.
I
mean
I
and
I,
and
I
would
shift
right
now.
At
least
I
would
on
a
comment
even
going
back
to
to
section
three
3.2
on
again
on
the
density
of
of
the
potential
in
the
historic
district
or
traditional
traditional
residential,
and
we
talked
about
the
same
thing.
There.
L
That
is
the
effective
residential
density
you're
as
high
as
25
even
26
units,
an
acre
on
some
of
the
smallest
lot
original
plotted
lots
of
record
primarily
on
the
east
side,
but
3
600
square
feet.
3
500
square
feet
is,
is
right
at
25
unit,
25
units
per
acre,
it's
24
or
3
400
484
square
feet
is
25
units
an
acre,
okay.
L
L
A
And
in
some
of
those
lots
or
larger
homes
that
may
exist
today
are
possibly
become
unaffordable
for
the
current
or
maybe
future
owners
there's
a
possibility,
at
least
the
likelihood
that
that
they'll
be
sold
off
in
the
smaller
properties,
with
higher
density
than
existing
than
is
built
on
it.
Today,.
L
L
L
B
A
L
So
now,
if
somebody
was
coming
in
and
they
wanted
to
build
the
duplex
on
on
this
property
on
one
of
these
properties,
we
would
require
four
parking
spaces
per
lot.
Now,
that's
entirely
possible.
You
can
do
that
quite
easily
and
meet
all
the
architectural
and
other
requirements,
but
the
structure
is
going
to
be
elevated,
just
a
few
feet
further
than
it
would
need
to
be
today
to
meet
base
flood
elevation.
You
would
essentially
have
a
two-story
structure,
so
parking
underneath
and
residential
units
above
okay.
L
So
those
minimum
unit
size
requirements,
I
think
they're
as
low
as
as
700
square
feet
or
maybe
800
square
feet
from
multi-family
and
then
like
1200
square
feet
for
a
a
single
family,
so
they're
they're,
they're,
quite
tiny
by
modern
standards.
But
yes,
so
those
are
the
only
restrictions
that
we
have
anywhere
in
the
city.
L
Yeah,
the
the
actual
units
inside
of
a
duplex,
let's
just
say,
for
instance,
would
would
have
no
restriction.
They
could
be.
We
actually
have
a
developer
on
the
east
side
who
has
built
studio
duplexes.
I
think
they're
right
at
500
square
feet
per
unit,
so
the
actual
structure
is
about
a
thousand,
maybe
1100
square
feet
total,
including
porches,
and-
and
they
have
done
well
with
those.
A
L
Value
standpoint
are
the
least
desirable
for
a
community
to
have
if
you
have
multi-family
or
even
just
regular
rental.
You
know
single-family
rental
properties,
those
landlords
are
paying
full
freight
because
they
don't
benefit
from
any
homestead
exemption
or
are
taxable
values,
so
tenants
actually
end
up
paying
more
property
taxes
than
homeowners
in
that
regard
through
their
landlords.
D
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
this
is
going
to
have
to
require
a
lot
of
contemplation,
as
this
goes
to
the
city
council.
I
think
you
can
tell
today.
Okay,
we
have
lots
of
reservations
about
the
direction
that
this
is
going
in
and
I
think
honestly
I
mean
I
know
from
a
future
benefit.
You
know,
maybe
it's
good
to
have
smaller
things
that
are
cheaper
and
whatever,
and
then
everybody
can
walk,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
the
population
we
have
is
not
that
population
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
are
selfishly.
D
G
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
separate
the
application
of
form-based
codes
which,
by
the
way,
I'm
a
fan
of,
because
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
architectural
and
style
consistency
within
the
city
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
some
abortions,
but
that's
a
separate
issue,
then
the
density
issue
and
the
height
of
buildings
issue-
and
you
know
the
traffic
issues
using
form-based
codes
to
make
sure
we
have
some
decent.
Looking
buildings
in
the
city
is
a
great
idea.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
whatsoever,
but
I
do
worry
about
this.
G
F
Some
of
this
still,
though,
lies
really
beyond
our
control.
I
mean
they're
state
highways,
they're
county
highways,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
that
that
puna
gorda
can
do
about
that.
You
know
other
than
start
trying
to
make
it
a
legislative
initiative
or
something
like
that
or
trying
to
find
a
way
to
you
know,
because
fdot,
a
couple
of
years
ago
has
talked
about
another
bridge
across
the
peace
river.
F
But
you
know
it's
still
on
the
dream
list,
yeah
or
or
you
know
something
we
could
do
for
taylor
street
from
41
all
the
way
across
something
to
move
traffic
as
an
interim,
smaller
arterial
flow,
or
something
like
that,
but
we're
kind
of
limited
in
what
we
can
do
and
a
lot
of
it
falls
outside
the
scope
of
this.
Unless
we
get
into
it
on
streets.
G
Well,
I'm
the
one
thing
I
do
think
we
might
be
able
to
do
something
about.
Is
the
crosstown
traffic
toward
arcadia?
We
can't
do
much
about
the
bridges.
We
can't
do
anything
about
41s
over.
You
know
in
either
direction,
but
we
could
create
a
bypass
for
that
so
that
we
don't
have
these
constant,
left,
turners
coming
down
and
going
to
down
17
and
and
if
we
could
find
some
relief
for
that.
That
alone
would
help
quite
a
bit
in
keeping
the
traffic
low
through
the
city.
The.
F
B
L
L
So
so,
the
in
terms
of
regional
traffic
relief,
the
the
city
has
thought
about
this
for
a
long
time.
If
you
look
at
our
planning
documents
going
all
the
way
back
to
at
least
2000
and
definitely
the
2005
cra
charrette
that
was
done
immediately
after
hurricane
charley,
we
were
looking
at
what
the
regional
transportation
needs
are
like.
How
could
we
incentivize
people
to
who
were
just
using
puna
board
as
a
pass
through
to
use
other
routes,
and
one
of
the
big
biggest
potential
wins
in
that
regard?
L
L
L
But
since
this
current
code
was
adopted,
we
have
really
not
seen
any
redevelopment
in
the
downtown
core.
We've
had
a
couple
of
hotels
and
that's
it
and
one
of
those
was
insurance
replacement.
So
we've
only
really
seen
one
there.
Two
hotels
developed
in
the
downtown
that
were
not
insurance
replacement
dollars.
A
A
D
L
L
Sorry,
let
me
get
to
that
slide
so
that
everyone
can
see
it
all
right
so
upcoming
after
today's
planning
commission
meeting,
we
have
two
scheduled
meetings
to
discuss
the
land
development
regulations
at
city
council
on
may
4th.
We
will
have
a
presentation
discussion
regarding
article
7,
which
is
the
architectural
provisions
and
then
on
may
18th.
We
will
follow
up
with
city
council
on
this
discussion
of
all
of
the
other
articles.
L
B
L
A
first
draft
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
has
been
seen
by
planning,
commission
city
council
and
passed
before
we
started
working
on
the
land
development
based
on
the
work
that
we've
done
to
this
point
in
land
development
regulations.
There
are
even
some
modifications
needed
to
that
first
draft,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
in
the
air
coming.
This
fall
to
to
really
dig
into.
D
Okay,
well
speaking
as
the
planning
commission,
I
would
just
urge
all
of
us
who
I
know
are
active
with
our
various
areas
where
we
live
and
people
we
talk
to.
I
think
we
really
need
to
encourage
people
to
get
engaged
with
this
process.
I
was
a
little
disappointed
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
by
the
lack
of
attendance
and
interest
in
this
process.
I
I
mean
this
is
to
me
like
one
of
the
most
critical
things.