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Planning Commission Meeting 06-27-2022
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Even
if
you're,
just
considering,
if
you
could
go
ahead
and
rise
and
raise
your
right
hand
now's
the
time,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
in
today's
proceedings,
when
you
are
ready
to
speak
at
the
appropriate
time,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
indicate
that
you've
been
sworn.
Thank
you.
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And
you
will
have
three
minutes
so,
okay,
please,
please
all
rise
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
Okay,
our
next
meeting
will
not
be
until
august
22nd
and
that
will
be
at
the
military
heritage
museum
as
they
will
begin
doing
the
renovation
of
this
facility
in
july.
So
there
will
be
no
july
meeting,
but
the
next
meeting
is
the
22nd
of
august
at
the
military
heritage
museum
at
this
time.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
make
comments
to
the
planning
commission,
this
is
your
opportunity,
but
it's
not
the
quasi-judicial
hearing.
So
those
comments
will
be.
A
You
know
taken
up
later,
so
if
there
are
any
other
comments
that
anyone
would
like
to
make
to
us,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record.
You
have
three
minutes:
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
april
25th
meeting,
because
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
review
them.
Yes,
can
I
have
a
motion
to
approve.
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F
And
afternoon
lisa
hannan's
owning
official
that
have
been
sworn
so
we
have
updated
our
staff
report
as
after
it
was
published
in
the
agenda,
so
we'll
go
through
our
request.
It's
a
special
exception
request
for
459
gill
street
to
operate
a
private
christian
school
kindergarten
through
12th
grade.
F
F
So
we
have
a
proposed
vehicle
circulation.
Parent
drop-off
pickup
enters
on
mcgregor
street
exit
on
exits
on
gill
at
charlotte
avenue.
It's
got
stacking
for
29
vehicles.
The
student
parking
will
have
a
separate
entry
and
exit
from
the
pickup
drop-off
lane,
as
well
as
parent
and
staff
parking.
It
is
separate
from
the
pickup
and
drop-off
lane,
so
we
have
four
approval
criteria
for
a
special
exception
that
the
proposed
use
will
not
adversely
affect
the
use
of
neighboring
properties.
It
is
an
existing
campus
with
existing
buildings.
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1.1.14.1
states
in
part
that
other
uses
are
consistent
with
residential
character.
Examples
of
compatible
uses
include
houses
of
worship
and
schools,
approval
criteria,
number
three,
the
location,
size,
height
of
building
structures,
walls,
infants
and
screening
will
not
hinder
or
discourage
the
appropriate
development
of
adjacent
properties.
It
is
an
existing
campus,
approximately
4.5
acres.
F
F
F
Again,
staff
has
requested
the
additional
clarification
regarding
traffic
circulation
parking
stacking
and
the
impact
on
street
networks.
Staff
also
recommends
limiting
the
hours
of
operation
for
all
of
the
outdoor
recreational
areas
to
8
a.m.
To
8
pm
7
days
a
week,
staff
additionally
recommends
adding
additional
landscape
buffering
and
screening
around
all
of
the
outside
recreational
areas
to
help
with
limiting
any
the
noise
at
the
subject
property.
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I
Gary
skillicorn
two
questions
is
there
bus
service
anticipated.
F
B
F
None
of
that
has
been
brought
forward
at
this
time.
They
haven't
asked.
I
know
the
church
does
fundraisers
and
when
they
do,
they
get
the
proper
permits
through
our
through
our
office
through
the
urban
design
zoning
office.
So
anything
exterior
that
would
be
open
to
the
public
would
require
an
event
permit,
and
that
would
be
vetted
through
our
development
review
committee
to
make
sure
there's
adequate
public
health
safety
welfare,
adequate
parking,
adequate
services
that
are
needed
great.
D
You
james
w
hurston,
I
am
a
president
hearst
in
engineering
services
and
I'm
here
representing
first
baptist
church
of
pentagorda.
I've
brought
bill
frank
with
me.
The
pastor
of
the
church
and.
A
D
Also
like
to
expose
the
fact
that
I
am
an
elected
official,
I'm
a
district
five
pinewood
airport
commissioner,
but
we
have
other
than
what
mr
frank
may
tell
you.
We
have
reviewed
the
staff
comments
as
just
now
presented
by
lisa,
and
I
know
some
of
the
information
that
was,
I
think,
in
item
number
four.
J
My
heart
has
been
that
entire
time
to
invest
into
our
future
and
that's
the
students
that
we
do
currently
I
go
over
to
charlotte
high
school
twice
a
week
to
invest
in
those
students
over
there,
and
this
expands
that
be
able
to
allow
us
to
reach
more
students
and
help
them
become
better
positive
influences
into
the
community
and
that's
the
heartbeat
behind
this
whole
thing,
and
so
I
I
started
a
school
and
was
very
involved
in
a
school
over
in
port
charlotte,
and
so
I
came
to
punta
gorda,
six
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
so
I
sit
there
and
I
see
these
huge
buildings
and
they're
empty
all
day
long
and
so
the
school
would
operate
somewhere
around
7
30
their
drop-off
time
would
be
7
30
to
8
o'clock
at
10
minute
increments.
J
J
We
can
show
the
drop-off
point
right.
There
is
that
last
car
there
they
will
be
ushered
immediately
by
the
teachers
in
between
the
two
buildings,
there's
a
large
building
and
a
large
room
on
the
left.
They
will
be
brought
into
there
and
that
will
kind
of
be
a
daycare
area
where
they
will
be
monitored
by
the
teachers
themselves.
J
J
So
so
we're
looking
to
do
this
because
we
want
to
make
a
great
investment
in
this
community.
I've
been
a
part
of
the
community,
and
I
love
this
puna
gorda
and
I
love
charlotte
county.
So
any
questions
yeah.
J
Some
of
them
are
in
public
school.
Some
of
them
are
already
in
a
religious
school
over
in
port
charlotte.
There
was
some
changes,
and,
and
so
we're
looking
to
expand,
not
that
school
but
start
in
a
new
school.
J
Well,
we
are
jumping
through
all
the
hoops
trying
to
get
all
the
pieces
into
place,
we're
looking
probably
a
target
date
of
january.
First,
we
wanted
to
try
to
get
it
done
by
august,
but
I
don't
think
all
of
the
the
criteria
that
needs
to
be
come
into
place
will
happen
by
then
so
we've
postponed
that
they
do
have
an
other
facility
that
they're
looking
to
use,
but
it
is
about
14
miles
away.
A
J
Literally,
have
four
entrances
to
the
facilities
and
we
can
put
up
fencing
very
quickly
and
very
easily
and
they're
very
small,
there's
down
at
the
bottom
right.
There
is
an
entrance
up
at
the
middle
yeah
to
the
right
is
another
entrance
back
in
the
back
is
another
one
and
then
on
the
other
end,
and
they
are
completely
totally
sealed
off
from
the
from
the
environment
and
from
the
community
in
that
area.
So
would
be
very
easy
to
do
safety
wise,
because
that's
the
primary
concern
of
ours
is
to
keep
the
kids
safe.
A
J
Gotten
that
far
yet,
but
that
there
are
some
folks
in
our
church
that
are
affiliated
with
the
with
the
public
service
department,
and
we
would
probably
do
that
and
use
them,
plus
the
students
are
never
without
a
teacher
on
campus
and
then
there's
administrative
staff
that
oversees
all
of
that.
J
J
Well,
and
also
to
add
to
that,
we
are
also
looking
into
that
safety
precaution
because
of
what's
going
on
in
the
in
the
country
right
now
with
violence,
not
only
in
schools
but
also
in
religious
establishments,
and
so
we're
looking
to
make
our
buildings
more
secure
and
we
are
locking
doors
once
the
children
are
in
or
once
the
adults
are
in
the
buildings.
We
are
locking
them
with
breaker
bars
for
them
to
get
out
easily.
H
J
They
have
14
teachers
ready
willing
to
sign
a
contract.
Okay.
G
J
That's
depending
on
the
numerical
number
of
students
we're
looking
to
probably
start
with
just
elementary
because
of
the
enormity
of
it
and
to
do
the
upper
grades
at
another
facility,
but
right
now
we're
focusing
on
doing
just
elementary,
which
would
keep
us
somewhere
between
70
and
100
students.
So.
G
You're
for
what
it
sounded
like
is
you
were
going
to
bring
all
these
kids
in
first
there
in
first
thing
in
the
morning,
hurt
them
all
together,
stuff
them
in
a
gym
and
watch
them
until
time
for
class.
To
start,
I
mean
you've
still
got
an
open
campus.
Basically
so
you've
got
before
school
after
school
and-
and
you
know
just
judging-
you
know
my
memories-
the
reliability
of
60
parents
or
cars,
showing
up
in
10
minute
intervals.
G
I
I
find
yeah
just
a
little
incredulous
and
the
same
thing
in
terms
of
picking
them
up
after
school.
I
just
think
you've
got
basically
an
open,
campus
or
you're
going
to
have
to
find
some
way
to
more
closely
regulate
this
or
you're
going
to
have
students,
especially
when
you
get
older
students.
You
know
they're
not
as
easily
confinable
as
small
children,
and-
and
you
know
you
could
have
kids.
G
You
know
you
know
anywhere
around
that
area
and
and
the
numbers,
if
you're,
starting
with
70,
if
you're
at
all
successful
and
you
expand-
I
I
kind
of
find
out.
You
know
you
may
blow
through
your
120
and
then
it's
kind
of
okay.
So
so
what
do
we
do
now?
You
know
you
can
be
a
victim
of
your
own
success
and
and
all
too
often
that
then
causes
unanticipated
problems.
G
You
know
based
on
what
you
originally
planned
for
and
then
what
you
end
up
trying
to
do,
and
it
I
just
kind
of
I
wonder
about
the
overall
as
the
chair
was
talking
about
protection,
safety
and
sort
of
control
of
the
greater
environment,
not
just
the
physical
plant,
but
the
expanded
campus,
since
it's
already
basically
being
used
as
a
church
facility.
It's
fairly
open-
and
you
know
and
granted
you've
had
to
probably
take
security
because
of
that.
E
Real
quickly,
just
to
be
clear.
E
So
as
far
as
the
existing
facility,
the
the
limitations
that
they've
talked
discussed
in
their
application
as
far
as
100
to
120
students
is
around
what
the
maximum
capacity
would
be:
vis-a-vis,
those
other
structural
and
fire
safety
limitations.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
natural
fire
break,
as
it
were,
between
what
they're
proposing
and
any
potential
growth.
Beyond
that.
A
But
when
you
know
I'm
assuming
police
have
looked
at
this
as
well.
F
Again,
lisa
han
is
owning
official.
This
has
gone
through
drc
which
police,
fire
and
buildings
set
on.
It
is
a
private
school,
so
private
security
or
if
they
contract
with
our
police
department,
will
be
something
separate.
I
don't
believe
they
fall
under
our
one
of
our
police
captains
was
checking
to
see
if
they
fall
under
the
marjory
stoneman
act
that
are
required
to
have
a
school
resource
officer.
They
may
not,
because
it's
not
a
public
school.
A
Okay,
I
mean-
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
go
on
and
on
about
this
topic,
but
again
I
see
a
fairly
open
campus.
I
see
a
concentration
of
small
children,
I
see
everything,
that's
happened
and
honestly,
I
think
that
should
there
should
be
more
information
forthcoming
from
the
applicant
about
what
the
security
plan
is
going
to
be
well.
J
I
thank
you
for
your
concern.
Let
me
let
me
help
you
with.
That
is
the
three
main
administrative
people
that
are
going
to
be
overseeing
the
school
one
has
30
years
experience
in
a
private
school
over
in
port
charlotte,
the
other
one
has
20
years
experience
administratively
in
the
private
school
over
in
port
charlotte
and
the
other
one
eight
years.
So
there's
a
combined
education
and
attention
to
detail
that
you
know
we
didn't
bring
all
of
that.
J
We're
we're
trying
to
get
the
school
up
and
running
and
that's
the
important
key,
but
we
have
very,
very
skilled
and
competent
individuals
that
will
be
overseeing
it
and
safety
is
one
of
our
primary
concerns,
and
so
the
church
is
even
looking
at
that
we've
looked
into
cameras.
We've
looked
into
fencing,
we've
looked
into
all
those
options
to
prevent
anything
from
happening
first
and
foremost
to
the
children.
J
Second
and
foremost
to
any
adults
and
jim,
is
you
know,
on
board,
he's
the
one
that
was
the
overseeing
engineer
on
our
last
building
that
we
built
and
over
in
port
charlotte
at
the
private
school
over
there.
So
I
am
thankful
for
his
expertise,
walking
with
us
through
this.
B
Sherman
johnson
here
mitchell,
you
mentioned
capacity,
and
is
there
a
hard
number
associated
with
that
that
you're,
aware
of,
is
it
150?
Is
it
200?
I
mean
we.
E
So
so,
police
and
fire
are
not
excuse.
Me
building
and
fire
have
looked
at
the
the
facility
and
walked
through.
They
have
not
determined
those
final
numbers
based
on
what
configuration
they
go
with
in
terms
of
the
classrooms
et
cetera
and
which
buildings
essentially,
but
I
believe
that
everything
will
be
confined
to
the
ground
floor.
J
I
spent
two
and
a
half
hours
with
jen
the
fire
marshal
walking
through
every
single
room
and,
yes,
what
marshall
said
is
correct.
We
are
looking
to
just
begin
on
the
ground
floor.
The
second
story:
both
buildings
were
finished
in
76
and
77,
so
they're
ancient.
So
we
know
we
need
to
do
major
remodeling
to
be
able
to
move
upstairs,
but
her
comment
was
that
we
could
house
around
290
students
with
the
facilities
that
we
have
there
currently
without
doing
any
kind
of
construction
moving
of
walls
or
any
alterations
in
the
facility.
B
Yeah,
well,
that's
a
significant
concern
back
to
safety
and
parking
if
it
ever
does
grow
to
290
we're
not
looking
at
70
cars.
We're
gonna,
look
at
a
number
north
of
that
I
mean
I
mean
that's
that
that's
significant.
G
Yeah
and
in
addition
to
the
to
the
threat
of
violence
you
border
on
three
streets
now
granted
you're
not
stuck
between.
You,
know
marion
and
olympia
or
anything
like
that.
But
you
are
on
three
streets
and
we
do
have
some
seasonal
drivers
around
here
who,
from
season
to
season,
need
to
become
reacquainted
with
local
driving
rules
and
conditions,
and-
and
I
just
you
know,
I'm
concerned
about
the
lack
of,
and
you
can
call
it
security
or
restraint.
G
You
know,
even
when
I
was
in
school
a
couple
of
centuries
ago,
we
had
fences
around
our
playgrounds
and
stuff,
and
if
you
have
recreational
activity,
if
you
have
kids
doing
anything,
outdoors
or
relatively
free,
even
supervised,
even
supervised
with
your
very
qualified
staff
and
you've
got
three
city
streets
surrounding
it.
I
I
you
know,
and
if
your
numbers
increase,
I
just
wonder
if
a
ball
gets
free,
what
happens?
You
know?
I
had
a
second
grade.
Classmate
killed
that
way.
I
still
remember
his
funeral,
but
you
know
it
just.
G
The
overall,
securing
and
and
safety
of
the
things,
especially
with
numbers
that
may
grow
and
and
if
you
are
successful,
which
is
what
we
hope
you
you
there
definitely
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
plan
in
place.
Well,.
J
When
jen
threw
that
number
out,
I
was
overwhelmed
and
I
thought
there's
no
way.
I
think
you
know
much
smaller
number
is
where
the
facility,
the
infrastructure
and
what
we
are
are
able
to
to
comprehend
and
to
be
able
to
facilitate
at
that
number,
which
is
much
much
lower
a
lot
closer
to
the
120,
maybe
the
150,
but
that's
way
into
the
future.
We
have
to
grow
to
that
point,
but
we
have
to
get
started
somewhere
so
that
we
can
begin
the
construction
and
do
the
things
that
need
to
be
done.
J
J
The
campus,
I
just
don't
think,
will
facilitate
more
than
that,
so
we've
already
started
putting
a
stop
loss
on
that
to
where
we
won't
grow
through
that
we
have
more
acreage
on
the
other
side
of
mcgregor
that
we
could
build
on.
We
do
have
property
on
the
campus
that
we
could
could
build
on,
but
that's
something
way
in
the
future
for
right
now,.
J
C
Yes,
obviously,
this
building
being
used
as
a
sunday,
school
or
teaching
facility
for
the
church.
J
Yes,
it
is
a
current
established
religious
education
facility.
J
J
J
J
H
A
Okay,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
planning
commission
on
this
topic,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
K
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
sandy
brandt
and
I
have
property
at
virginia
and
mcgregor.
So
that's
what
brings
me
here.
I
am
not
opposed
to
the
proposal
of
a
school,
but
I
do
have
concerns
just
to
echo
what
what
has
been
brought
forward
on
safety
and
security
as
a
person
who
is
living
very
near,
I
didn't
see
where
security
was
on
the
agenda
documents,
so
it
sounds
like
that
might
be
evolving.
K
From
from
what
you're
saying
now,
I
think
that's
an
important
aspect
for
everyone
that
the
children
are
secure
and
in
the
manner
that
it's
they
are
secured,
that
it's
aesthetically
as
nice
as
the
property
is
now
so
I'm
just
gonna.
You
know
throw
that
out
there
in
terms
of
like
fences
with
vinyl
or
whatever
you
know.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know,
that's
not
even
something
that
it
sounds
like
has
been
thought
through.
K
K
I
heard
just
now
that
there
might
be
many
students
from
port
charlotte
area,
perhaps
in
in
terms
of
the
switch
of
the
school.
That
would
then
lead
to
more
traffic
with
cars.
I
was
concerned
about
the
fact
that
you're,
anticipating
120
children
in
a
wide
range
of
ages,
but
only
30
spots
for
pickup
on
the
property
itself.
K
That
would
lead
me
to
believe
that
there
were
90
or
so
people
stopped
on
the
street,
which,
currently
you
wouldn't
you
would
have
no,
no
study.
That's
going
to
show
you
what
that
would
do
to
the
traffic
or
the
people
that
are
trying
to
get
in
and
out
of
their
driveways,
and
it
is
a
congestion,
mcgregor
and
virginia.
K
It's
not
infrequent
that
people
have
fender
benders
there
and
I
think,
from
from
part
of
some
people,
don't
think
that
virginia
is
a
through
street
that
they
have
to
stop
as
well.
K
A
A
L
Hi,
my
name
is
jennifer
larmy
I've
been
sworn
in,
I
own
property
at
312,
mcgregor
street.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
did
submit
to
the
commission
a
letter
with
my
concerns.
I
want
to
make
sure
you
all
did
receive
that
lisa
hannan,
I
believe,
should.
F
Have
copied
you,
I'm
sorry,
zoning
official
lisa
hannon?
I
have
been
sworn
those
who
were
placed
in
the
file.
Okay,
they
cannot
be
sent
to
the
commission
because
those
can't
be
used.
Any
testimony
has
to
be
done
under
under
sworn
testimony
under
quasi
judicial.
Those
letters
can't
be
sent
out
to
the
commission
members
because
they
can't
use
those.
It's
not
sworn
testimony.
L
I
didn't
realize
that
I
thought
that
they
were
able
to
see
it
or
I
didn't
so.
It's
it
it.
Basically
after
this
meeting
they
can
read
it
then,
if
I'm
since
I'm
speaking
or
sure,
basically
okay,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
every
point
on
my
letter.
That
is
what
I
I
guess
I'm
getting
at.
So
I
want
to
concur
with
what
susan
was
saying
about
concerns
about
traffic
and
children
and
crossing
streets,
and
what
joe
was
saying
as
well.
L
L
L
A
L
And
then
you
know
again:
noise
noise.
I
I
think
that
could
be
an
issue
for
the
surrounding
people
that
live
there
and
then
again,
security
lighting.
That
was
another
question
I
was
going
to
say
you
know.
Are
you
going
to
have
security
lights?
You
know
they
were
going
on
in
the
morning
too
late
at
night
and
again
going
back
to
the
festivals
and
activities.
L
If
those
do
go
on,
you
know
what
kind
of
additional
I
don't
know
disruption
could
happen
to
the
surrounding
area,
and
I
guess
that's
it.
I
mean
if
the
the
the
parking
or
the
the
drop
off
and
pickup
is
on
mcgregor
street.
You
know,
I'm
not
sure
again.
I
can't
visual.
How
far
is
that
going
to
go
back
on
mcgregor
street?
Is
it
going
to
you
know?
Where
is
that
going
to
affect
my
personal
property
in
terms
of?
Can
he
get
out
of
his
driveway?
Can
he
you
know?
L
A
A
A
You're,
good,
okay,
all
right!
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
address
the
planning
commission,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record.
You
have
three
minutes.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
address
the
planning
commission
on
this
topic?
Last
call
all
right
see
none
we're
going
to
open
it.
Look
I
need
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing,
so
move
started
all
in
favor
all.
I
H
H
H
I
don't
think
we
can
enforce
safety
requirements
in
the
school
because
it
is
private.
So
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
rules
are
in
that
regard,.
F
A
H
A
A
Nobody
was
hurt,
but
I'm
just
saying
we've
experienced
that
I
guess
my
concern
is.
It
is
in
a
residential
area.
If
something,
god
forbid
were
to
happen.
I
don't
know
that
anybody
is
going
to
say
well
legally.
We
didn't.
I
mean
I
just
worry
about
that
and
if
something
were
to
happen,
they're
going
to
call
the
puna
gorda
police,
okay,
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
I
mean
personally,
I
would
think
that
a
you
know.
A
A
condition
of
approval
should
be
seen
more
about
the
security
plan.
I
mean,
I
think,
more,
about
the
security
plan
more
about
what
we're
doing
about
noise
abatement.
What
we're
doing
about
you
know
children's
safety
when
they're
playing
outdoors
joe's
example.
A
ball
goes
into
mcgregor.
I
mean
it's
a
busy
area,
I
mean
and
again
I'm
all
for
the
school
per
se,
but
I
do
think
in
today's
age
we
need
to
take.
You
know
we
need
to
be
a
little
more
cautious
about
just
saying.
A
M
A
G
Yeah
and
I
kind
of
I
what
paul
I
think
what
paul
is
looking
at
is
the
physical
security
of
the
buildings,
and
I
realize
we
may
not
have
any
authority
to
dictate
or
or
things
other
than
what
code
says
about
fire
alarms,
stairs
doors,
etc.
G
So,
okay,
that
being
a
given,
I'm
more
concerned
with
the
bigger
picture,
the
fact
that
you've
got
a
school
in
a
residential
area
where
people
aren't
used
to
having
kids,
because,
let's
face
it,
there's
not
a
lot
of
kids
in
downtown
punta
gorda,
again:
seasonal
drivers.
It's
not
the
busiest
of
areas,
but
I
know
I
use
virginia
a
lot
and
I
like
it
as
a
cut
through,
so
I
don't
have
to
go
down
to
olympia
and-
and
I
just
think-
and
I
hate
the
idea
of
chain
link,
fences
and
stuff
like
that.
G
So
they
don't
end
up
in
the
street
and
that's
different
from
the
buildings
and
and
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
I
agree
that
may
not
be
our
purview
but
the
greater.
I
think,
there's
a
greater
good
or
a
greater
safety
that
we
have
a
I
hate
to
say,
but
a
moral
responsibility
or
something
like
that
to
look
at.
F
If
I
maybe
chair,
lisa
hannan,
again
zoning
official,
I
have
been
sworn
we
kind
of
have
a
president
of
another
school
private
school
that
is
in
a
neighborhood
residential
zoning
classification
on
a
very
probably
busier
street,
and
that
is
good
shepherd.
It
is
on
shreve
street.
They
do
have
a
small,
medium-sized
small
outdoor
playground
for
the
elementary
school
kids.
That
was
also
intended
to
be
grades.
K
through
12.
F
F
F
We've
not
and-
and
I
I've
had
some
friends
and
some
co-workers
have
children
that
have
gone
there
and
the
flow
of
how
they
bring
kids
in
and
out.
There
was
never
any
stacking
out
on
shreve
street
that
there
would
have
been
an
issue,
and
I
think
they
probably
had
approximately
the
same
number
of
students
as
being
proposed
at
this
location.
F
G
Think
good
shepherd,
because
I'd
use
shreve
a
good
bit.
I
think
there's
some
kind
of
barricade
there
and
it
may
not
be
it
could
be
a
shrubs
or
a
hedge
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
that
would
suffice.
You
know
you
throw
a
royal
pyrocantha
down
there
or
something-
and
you
know
even
blackberry,
bushes.
The
kids
are
not
going
to
go
through
it.
G
I
Something
gary
yeah.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
my
earliest
question.
Regarding
the
capacity
I
think
I
heard
discussion
that
we're
going
to
start
with
the
elementary
school,
but
I'm
hearing
that
the
numbers
are
upwards
of
100,
perhaps
associated
with
that,
yet
we're
going
to
go
eventually
k
to
12..
I
F
That
is
certainly
something
that
planning
commission
could
make
a
make
that
as
a
condition,
staff
is
not
making
any
recommendations
on
and
not
to
exceed
at
this
time.
But
that's
certainly
something
that
planning
commission
could
recommend
to
move
forward
to
city
council
conditions
can
be
placed
on
special
exceptions.
G
And
I
I
I
like
gary's
idea:
we
need,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
specified,
but
at
some
point
there
needs
to
be
sort
of
the
acknowledgement
of
a
not
to
exceed
or
a
threshold
and
tbd.
F
You
would
have
to
open
reopen
the
public
hearing
for
them
to
make
any
type
of
rebuttal.
So
you
can
you
can
get
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing
for
them.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
board.
I
know
sandy
james,
w
hurston
and
I
have
been
sworn
by
the
way
I
know
sandy
graham,
was
it
sandy
or
susan?
Okay,
because
jennifer
called
you
susan
sandy
jennifer.
I
believe
the
chairman,
chairperson
and
joseph
all
brought
up
the
subject.
Is
security?
D
I'd
like
to
you
know
notify
the
board
that
I've
been
engineer
of
record
for
first
baptist
church
at
port
charlotte
since
since
the
1990s-
and
I
have
been
the
engineer
of
record
for
the
expansion
of
that
christian
school
at
that
location,
for
for
two
projects
and
currently
with
this
security
situation,
they
have
used
a
thoughtfully
used,
chain-link
fence
and
the
chain
links
they
have
codes
to
get
through
the
gates
and
they
also
have
a
you
know
like
playground,
type
facilities
where
the
kids
go
from
the
buildings
to
the
to
the
playgrounds,
and
it
does
go
up
to
12th
grade,
but
I
think
a
security
plan
can
be
can
be
provided
so
that
the
city
council
can
look
at
that.
D
But
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
good
thinking
of
of
how
the
facility
works.
You
know.
So
we
have
no
problem
providing
some
type
of
plan.
I
know
jennifer
also
mentioned
security
lighting,
that's
kind
of
governed
by
the
building
code.
You
know,
because
you
can't
put
up
big
lights
and
light
up
the
neighborhood.
You
know
they
have
to
be
directed
towards
the
facility,
so
I'm
sure
any
new
lights
or
anything
like
that
would
be
addressed
by
the
building
department.
D
Whose
fault
was
it
at
the
the
accident
before
your
husband,
your
husband's.
D
D
I
think
so
did
jennifer
and
I
think
I
think
that's
it,
but
I
have
done
the
stacking
analysis
and
I
actually
made
a
mistake
accidentally
that
I
assumed
there
was
going
to
be
300
cars
showing
up
at
the
facility
in
30
minutes,
and
I
made
an
assumption
that
percent
of
the
cars
are
probably
going
to
have
two
people,
two
students
in
it,
because
I
know
parents,
wives
and
husbands
in
today's
economic
conditions
they
try
to
carpool.
D
So
sixty
percent
of
the
cars
I
assumed
would
have
two
students
and
the
other
40
of
the
cars
would
have
just
one,
and
I
looked
at
that
arrival
rate
not
trying
to
get
too
complicated.
But
if
you
look
at
the
210
cars
that
arrive
over
a
30
minute
period,
it's
basically
about
a
car,
every
10
15
seconds,
and
if
they
and
I
don't
know
what
the
unload
rate
is,
but
I
assumed
it
was
pretty
equal,
so
you're
probably
going
to
have
cars
arriving
and
and
the
deep.
I
want
to
call
it
deep
planing.
D
And
as
with
first
baptist,
they
have
300
students
and
sometimes
over
300
students,
and
they
they
have
a
similar,
larger
parking
lot.
You
know
where
you
know
you
can
kind
of
you
can
kind
of
model
how
the
flow
needs
to
be
adjusted
depending
on
you
know.
Sometimes
you
can
design
things
with
with
all
the
knowledge
that
you
know
have
from
an
engineering
standpoint,
but
it
doesn't
always
work
out
that
way
and
you
have
to
make
adjustments,
so
I
think
I've
addressed.
I
know
gary,
I
think,
had
not
to
exceed
question
my
opinion.
D
M
D
Would
be
determined
by
the
city
for
each
for
that
building.
So
I
think
I've
addressed
that
our
noise,
I
think
jennifer
had
the
noise
comments.
I
think
were
pro.
You
know,
there's
a
comment
about
potential
buffering
that
would
help
vegetative
buffering,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that's
it's
all
the
comments.
D
G
And
I
think
just
in
looking
at
it,
you
could
probably
find
a
way
to
take
the
sound
buffering
and
security
tie
them
together
in
the
type
of
landscaping
you
use,
so
that
the
same
landscaping
could
provide
both
a
barri,
both
a
sound
barrier
and
a
physical
barrier.
Yes,
true,
something
like
that,
there's
ways
to
kind
of
you
know
still
keep
the
an
appealing,
appearance
and
and
meet
the
other
requirements
as
well.
Yeah.
D
A
G
Okay:
okay,
then,
based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony
presented
at
this
public
hearing
for
item
number
se-01-2022.
C
A
F
Good
afternoon
lisa
hannan's
zoning
official
again,
this
is
just
regular
business
that
doesn't
require
a
quasi
judicial
or
public
hearing.
So
the
request
is
to
occupy
an
unimproved
portion
of
the
orange
street
right-of-way
the
site
contains
.196,
plus
or
minus
acres.
The
proposed
occupation
purpose
is
for
stormwater
management,
landscape
and
parking
for
a
proposed
development.
F
The
public
benefit
is
that
the
property
owner
would
now
be
responsible
for
all
the
maintenance
on
this
orange
street
right
away.
An
occupation
is
not
a
vacation.
The
city
can
require
removal
of
all
improvements
if
needed,
and
the
owner
would
be
responsible
for
all
those
costs
of
removing
and
restoring
the
property.
F
The
agreement
has
been
approved
by
our
legal
department,
so
orange
street
is
a
developed
street
from
west
william
to
west
mckinsey.
It
is
undeveloped,
platted,
right
away
from
west
mckinsey
to
west
grace
street
and
then
from
west
gray
street
to
west
henry
street.
The
orange
street
has
been
vacated
several
years
ago.
F
F
The
proposed
new
development
would
require
development
review
application,
be
submitted
development
review.
We
recommend
moving
the
request
forward,
planning,
commission
and
city
council
and
urban
design.
Zoning
staff
recommend
approval
of
the
occupation
of
easement,
and
there
is
a
representative
here
if
you'd
like
to
hear
from
them
or
if
you
have
any
questions
for
them.
A
H
We
shouldn't
have
our
children
in
lockups,
so
they
don't
get
shot
and
insist
on
security
plans
for
schools,
so
they
don't
get
shot
and
it's
just
it's
just
one
of
the
things
that
that's
irritating
and
bothersome
to
me.
It's
very
unfortunate
that
we've
gotten
to
the
stage
of
our
country,
where
we
have
to
worry
about
such
things
on
a
routine
basis
where
some
church
wants
to
open
up
a
school.
H
M
Yeah,
I'm
definitely
in
favor
of
educational
choices
for
our
citizens
and
we
do
live
in
a
time
like
this,
but
you
know
I
could
walk
out
there
and
get
hit
by
a
car
I
mean
it's
life
can
be
hazardous.
M
C
I
agree
with
the
comments
about
school
safety.
We
are
also
blessed
with
a
excellent
police
department
which
does
have
responsibility
for
protecting
kids,
private
children,
private
or
public
schools,
and
I'm
optimistic
that
I,
the
fact
that
there
are
concerns
about
continuing
good
basic
education
of
our
children
through
12th
grade,
at
least
here
eventually,
that's
my
comment.
I
Certainly
supportive
of
this-
and
I
guess
I'm
disappointed
in
myself
that
I
didn't
jump
on
the
security
aspect
of
this
as
well
too.
Certainly
it's
something!
That's
changing
our
lives
again.
I
was
disappointed
in
myself
that
I
did
not
recognize
that.
Thank.
A
You,
okay,
and
just
to
close
out
the
comments
I
mean
because
I
do
live
in
the
historic
district
and
I'm
familiar
with
this
location.
It
is
you
know,
right
now
I
mean
the
church
has
been
a
wonderful
neighbor.
There's
never
been
anything
that
has
occurred
on
that
property,
but
this
does
dramatically
change
that
property
usage
and
introduce
you
know
a
more
people
into
the
area
on
a
daily
basis
than
is
typically
the
case.
So
I
I
would
be
not
doing
the
right
thing
for
my
neighborhood.