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Planning Commission 8-22-2022
A
C
E
E
J
I
Okay,
before
we
get
started,
I
want
to
go
through
some
procedures
for
public
comment
and
then
we
are
going
to
do
a
swearing
in
for
the
quasi-judicial
items,
and
we
will
also
hear
from
our
city
attorney
so
procedure
for
public
comment,
since
we
have
a
lot
of
people
here
today,
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
board
should
use
the
guest
podium
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
their
name
for
the
record.
Each
person
has
three
minutes
to
speak.
Sharing.
Minutes
is
not
permitted.
I
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
board,
not
the
audience,
nor
to
any
one
individual
board.
Member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
allowed
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
be
heard,
please
refrain
from
repeating
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
I
Citizen's
comments
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session
committee
members
will
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public.
Please
contact
staff
with
any
remaining
questions
following
conclusion
of
the
meeting.
A
copy
of
any
supporting
documents
displayed
during
the
meeting
must
be
provided
to
the
recording
secretary.
I
I
So
I
know
we
have
three
quasi-judicial
topics
on
our
agenda
and
I
can
sort
of
guess
what
everybody's
here
for,
but
that's
the
third
one.
So
at
the
beginning
we
will
only
be
doing
comments
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
those
three.
So
you
will
have
time
to
comment
when
each
of
those
is
presented
during
the
testimony
period
and
before
we
swear
in
anyone
who
thinks
they
would
like
to
speak
david.
You
have
a
few
words
for
us.
H
For
the
record,
david
levin
city
attorney,
it's
tough
for
me
to
do
few
words,
but
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
I
don't
usually
attend
the
planning
commission
meetings
when
an
attorney
does
attend
on
behalf
of
the
city.
Typically,
they
do
so
as
a
representative
of
the
board
and
and
it's
important
for
me
to
mention
that
for
the
purposes
of
due
process,
because
the
other
alternative
is
for
me
to
be
a
representative
staff,
that's
not
going
to
be
my
role
today.
H
In
order
to
clarify
that
ex-parte
communications
are
not,
per
se
a
violation
of
due
process.
The
legislature
adopted
a
statute
and
provided
a
procedure
whereby
those
municipalities
that
wanted
to
allow
their
appointed
and
elected
officials
to
have
contact
with
any
member
of
the
public
prior
to
a
hearing,
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
to
do
so,
provided
that
there
was
full
disclosure
of
that
contact.
H
So
I
am
going
to
read
a
couple
of
provisions
that
I
included
in
the
memo
to
you,
as
well
as
a
couple
of
others,
some
having
to
do
with
quasi-judicial
and
some
just
having
to
do
with
the
evidence
that's
presented,
and
this
is
for
the
benefit
of
all
that
may
be
participating
in
today's
hearing.
The
first
thing
to
understand
is
that
formal
rules
of
evidence
and
procedure
do
not
apply
to
the
proceedings
that
are
conducted
today.
H
The
adherence
to
the
following
procedures
will
remove
the
presumption
that
any
ex
parte
communication
to
a
city,
council,
member
or
board
member
is
is
prejudicial,
so
the
first.
The
first
thing
is
that
the
substance
of
ex
parte
communications
with
a
city,
council
or
board
member
is
not
presumed
prejudicial
to
the
subject.
H
If
the
subject
of
the
communication
and
the
identity
of
the
person
group
or
entity
with
whom
the
communication
took
place,
is
disclosed
and
made
public
on
the
record
before
the
final
action
of
the
matter,
this
applies
to
any
written
or
verbal
communications
received
by
a
city,
council
or
board
member.
Such
communications
may
not
be
the
basis
of
any
decision.
H
Two
city,
council
or
board
members
may
conduct
investigations
and
site
visits
and
may
receive
expert
opinions
regarding
quasi-judicial
action
pending
before
them.
Such
activities
shall
not
be
presumed
prejudicial
to
the
action
if
the
existence
of
the
investigation,
site,
visit
or
expert
opinion
is
made
part
of
the
record
before
final
action
on
the
matter.
The
expert
opinion,
however,
may
not
form
the
basis
of
any
decision.
H
Unless
the
expert
attends
the
public
hearing
and
is
available
for
cross-examination
by
all
parties,
all
decision
makers
must
be
unbiased
and
the
proceedings
must
reflect
the
appearance
of
impartiality
and
fairness
with
respect
to
the
conduct
of
the
hearing,
the
presiding
officer
so
called
the
pres.
The
proceeding
to
order
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
the
hearing
must
first
be
sworn
in
and
may
be
subject
to
cross-examination.
H
The
presiding
officer
may
extend
any
of
the
following
time
limits.
Should
the
presiding
officer
determine
that
such
extension
is
necessary
to
afford
a
fair
presentation
of
the
case.
The
order
of
proof
shall
be
as
follows:
one
staff
shall
have
30
minutes
to
briefly
describe
the
applicant's
request,
introduce
and
review
all
relevant
exhibits
and
evidence,
report,
city,
staff's
recommendation
and
present
any
testimony
in
support
of
staff's
recommendation.
H
Two.
The
applicant
shall
have
a
maximum
of
30
minutes
to
make
its
full
presentation.
Three.
A
party
intervener
shall
have
a
maximum
of
30
minutes
to
make
a
full
presentation
for
any
other
person's
present
who
wish
to
submit
relevant
information
may
speak
for
a
maximum
of
three
minutes.
Finally,
decisions.
H
H
They
may
have
had
before
today's
hearing
the
nature
of
those
discussions
and
who
was
it
who
was
in
in
attendance
at
those
discussions
and
again
as
long
as
that's
done
before
the
determination
of
the
board,
then
there
will
be
no
prejudicial
effect
and
no
violation
of
due
process
by
virtue
of
the
ex-parte
communication,
by
virtue
of
the
city's
resolution
and
the
state
statute
that
I
quoted
and
that's
all
I
have
at
the
moment.
Thank
you.
I
F
All
right,
so
yes,
even
if
you're,
not
sure,
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
all
right.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
to
tell
the
whole
truth
or
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
in
today's
proceedings,
all
right
when
you
are
ready
to
speak,
please
step
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
indicate
you've
been
sworn
and
as
a
reminder,
please
make
sure
that
you're
speaking
directly
into
the
microphones
at
least
six
inches
from
it.
Thank
you.
I
I
B
I
21
and
28
township
41
south
range,
23,
east
being
part
of
south
highlands
according
to
the
plat
thereof,
as
recorded
in
platte
book
2,
page
6,
public
records
of
charlotte
county
florida
and
being
further
bounded
and
described
in
exhibit
a
attached
to
this
resolution
and
providing
an
effective
date
and
david
I'll
apologize.
Do
you
want
me?
Should
we
pull
the
board
now
to
see
if
anyone
has
had
any
conversations
about
this
particular
item
or
wait
till
after
the
applicant
and
the
staff.
I
A
Good
afternoon
lisa
hannon
zoning
official
and
I
have
been
sworn
so.
This
is
a
subdivision
request.
Seagrass
subdivision
the
property
is
87.10
plus
minus
acres.
The
proposed
development
is
224
single
family
lots.
It
is
in
the
jones
loop
road
area.
This
property
was
rezoned
to
planned
development,
village
in
2021
and
the
streets,
and
the
plattes
were
also
vacated
in
2021.
A
A
The
new
street
names
have
been
approved
by
the
fire
marshal
and
zoning
more
requirements
for
a
preliminary
plat
again,
the
roadway
widths
were
provided,
easements
were
provided
on,
the
plat
utility
easements
were
called
out,
parks
and
public
and
private
amenities.
The
parks
and
playgrounds
will
be
for
the
use
of
the
residents
of
the
subdivision.
A
It
asks
for
a
multi-family
commercial,
but
this
is
a
single-family
development
that
is
not
applicable.
There's
no
multi-family
or
commercial
proposed.
The
site
data
needed
the
number
of
lots
and
the
number
of
lots
and
the
lot
sizes
and
the
widths
are
proposed
and
the
title
scale
and
north
arrow
date
have
all
been
provided.
A
Infrastructure
improvements
are
going
to
require
development,
review,
application,
submittal
review
and
approval
prior
to
construction.
Those
are
include,
but
not
limited
to
the
water,
waste
water,
storm,
water
and
private
roads
and
streets
protective
covenants.
The
draft
of
that
has
been
submitted
so
again.
It's
224
single-family
buildable
lots
required
infrastructure,
water,
wastewater,
private
roadways,
storm
water
management;
it
meets
the
requirements
of
chapter
28,
section
28-32
of
the
puna
gorda
code.
The
preliminary
plant
is
in
compliance,
the
property
was
rezoned
in
2021
from
highway
commercial
to
planned
development,
village
and
the
streets,
and
the
plaits
were
vacated.
A
The
lots
meet
the
minimum
size
requirements
per
chapter,
26,
section
5.4
of
the
plan
development,
all
the
permits.
Once
the
preliminary
plat
is
approved,
it
gives
permission
for
the
applicant
to
submit
drc
construction
plans
for
the
infrastructure
improvements.
We
do
have
a
third
party
reviewer
and
all
those
comments
will
be
addressed
prior
to
final
plant
approval.
A
K
Rebel
with
banks,
engineering-
I
have
been
sworn
here
on
behalf
of
the
apple
and
applicant
dr
horton
inc,
and
we're
sharing
the
staff
report
of
city
staff
and
wanted
to
thank
city
staff
for
working
with
us.
We
had
to
dust
off
the
plating
code.
We
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
major
plats
here
in
the
city
a
long
time
so
enjoyed
working
with
them
through
that
process,
and
we
accept
all
the
conditions
proposed.
I
M
F
M
Okay,
there's
the
first
road
that
you
come
to
when
you
go
on
john's
loop,
road,
gas,
glow
avenue
and
then
the
next
road
is
for
aldi.
I
think
that's
the
indian
school
or
something
like
that
cemetery.
Neither
one
have
a
turn
lane.
So
is
there
going
to
be
turn
lanes
to
go
into
this
new
neighborhood
off
of
jones
loop
road,
because
aldi
wasn't
required
to
put
one
in
so
it
always
backs
traffic
up.
So
is
that
part
of
this
decision
making.
K
Good
afternoon
for
the
record
again
todd
rebel
with
banks
engineering.
So
the
traffic
report
is
one
of
the
processes
that
goes
through
the
final
drc.
This
is
just
the
plating
portion
and
there
are
turn
lanes
at
indian
springs.
That's
a
signalized
intersection
on
jones
loop,
road
and
there's
an
existing
full
median
cut
on
jones
loop
road,
where
the
proposed
main
access,
which
is
going
to
be
within
an
easement
on
glasgow.
There
probably
will
not
be
any
requirements,
but
that
will
be
considered
at
final
drc.
I
I
F
F
A
F
F
I
I
This
is
public
hearing.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
on
this
matter,
please
come
forward
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
indicate
that
you
have
been
sworn.
You
have
three
minutes
last
call
for
comment
on
this
matter,
all
right
scene,
none
move
to
close
the
public
hearing
or
somebody
move.
Please.
J
A
All
the
all
the
required
infrastructure,
including
water
and
wastewater,
will
be
that
that's
part
of
being
able
to
get
the
preliminary
plant
approval.
Then
they
can
submit
all
of
their
infrastructure
improvement
plans
and
they
would
be
approved
by
development
review,
including
utilities
and
right-of-way,
and
public
works.
K
H
All
those
impacts,
transportation
impacts,
utilities
impacts
and
any
other
impacts
that
would
be
relevant
to
the
build
out
of
the
subdivision
or
would
take
place
between
the
time
that
you've
approved
the
preliminary
plan
and
the
time
that
the
final
plot
is
ultimately
approved.
All
those
questions
would
be
answered
and
if
those
questions
weren't
satisfactorily
answered,
then
then
the
city
would
not
be
approving
the
the
final
plaque.
H
But
that's
what
the
purpose
of
the
development
review
committee
is
your
approval
of
the
preliminary
plan
at
this
stage
certifying
or
making
a
determination
that
the
criteria
that
has
been
outlined
has
been
established
for
for
the
drafting
and
putting
together
the
preliminary
plot,
which
are
all
internal
to
the
subdivision.
Boundaries
have
been
satisfied.
J
I
Okay.
Next
item
is
quasi
judicial,
pd02,
2022
and
ordinance
of
the
city
council,
the
city
of
ponte
gorda
florida,
rezoning
property
addressed
as
402
east
marion
avenue,
pontigorda
florida
containing
27.,
27,
2.73,
plus
or
minus
acres,
lots,
1-40,
inclusive,
wf,
woods,
subdivision
of
block
one
of
punta
gorda
in
section
6,
township,
41,
south
range
23
east,
according
to
the
platte
thereof,
as
recorded
in
platte
book.
I
One
page,
six
of
the
public
records
of
charlotte
county
florida
and
more
particularly
shown
and
described
in
exhibit
a
attached
here
to
and
incorporated
herein
from
city
center
city
to
planned
development,
neighborhood
city,
providing
for
certain
modifications
to
the
regulations
applicable
to
the
planned
development,
neighborhood
zoning
classification,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
So
before
we
hear
from
staff,
has
anyone
on
the
planning
commission
had
any
conversations
regarding
this
project.
A
A
These
are
existing
vacant
lots.
New
development
is
proposed,
a
mixed-use
commercial
residential.
It
includes
a
public
park,
private
amenities,
on-site
parking
and
additional
on-street
parking
will
be
provided.
It
was
previously
developed
as
multi-family
public
housing
that
was
destroyed
by
hurricane
charley.
Here
comes
the
fun
part.
A
This
is
consistent
with
the
2040
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
and
I'll
explain
to
some
of
the
folks
in
the
audience.
While
we
do
have
these
in
our
staff
report,
it
is
required
that
we
put
these
on
record
so
objectives,
1.1.10,
1.1.12,
1.1.14
policies.
One
point
one
point:
two
point:
one
one
point:
one
point
four
point:
three
one
point.
One
point
four
point:
four
one
point.
One
point:
nine
point.
Two
one
point.
One
point:
nine
point.
Three
one
point.
One
point:
nine
point.
Five
one
point
one
point:
one
zero
point.
A
A
Recreation
and
open
space,
objective,
5.1.2
policies,
5.1.2.1
5.1.2.2,
community
facilities,
element,
objective,
6.1.1,
transportation,
element,
objective,
7.1.4,
7.3.4
policy.
One
point,
one
point:
five,
seven
point.
One
point
three
point:
five,
seven
point.
One
point
four
point:
two,
seven
point:
one
point:
five
point:
three,
seven
point
three
point
four
point:
one
seven
point
three
point:
four
point:
five
public
schools
element
objective.
One
eight
point:
one
point:
two:
a
policy
is
eight
point.
One
point
two
point:
one
eight
point
one
point
two
point:
three:
yes,
there's
more,
but
wait
intergovernmental
coordination
policies.
A
A
A
So
combat
compatibility
with
surrounding
neighborhoods.
This
is
infield
development,
which
is
desired
and
promoted
by
the
city,
mitigating
conflicts
of
use
on
existing
development.
It's
currently
zoned
city
center.
The
uses
are
consistent
with
the
city
center
zoning
district.
The
project
actually
exceeds
the
parking
requirements
by
adding
32
additional
on-street
parking
spaces,
public
facilities
and
amenities.
The
site
again
was
previously
developed.
It
was
previously
served
with
water
and
wastewater.
A
However,
utility
improvements
may
be
required.
Traffic
volumes,
marion
avenue
is
a
level
of
service
d.
It's
a
primary
arterial,
roadway
and
staff
concurs
with
the
applicant's
traffic
statement.
Preserving
ecologically
sensitive
areas
is
not
applicable,
mitigates,
unfavorable,
topographic
and
geological
conditions.
A
It
requires
compliance
with
the
7th
edition
2020
florida
building
code,
the
7th
edition
2020
florida,
fire
prevention
code,
the
2017
national
electrical
code
and
all
flood
elevation
requirements.
We
have
found
no
unfavorable
topographic
or
geological
conditions
on
the
site.
Noise,
attenuation
on-site
parking
is
internal
to
the
site,
buildings
and
required
landscaping.
Will
buffer
adjacent
properties,
additional
concurrency
requirements,
the
roadway
the
existing
roadway
network
will
meet
present
and
future
needs
the
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewer.
A
The
project
is
providing
a
park
pocket
park
open
to
the
public
between
the
two
mixed
use:
buildings
that
face
marion
avenue,
public
schools,
the
actual
request
for
school
concurrency
determination
letter
is
required
prior
to
development,
review
approval
findings.
They
are
asking
for
an
increase
in
residential
dwelling
units.
It
is
entitled
to
41
residential
dwelling
units.
They
are
requesting
60
residential
dwelling
units.
The
application
meets
the
criteria
outlined
in
the
plan
development,
section
of
the
code
section
5.5,
paren,
b,
finding
number
two
economic
and
budget
analysis.
A
A
market
has
shown
that
it
can
support
320
to
420
new
rental
units
and
300
to
750
new
condos
within
the
city
of
punta
gorda.
Finding
number
three
increase
in
height
the
property
is
entitled
or
the
project's
entitled
to
60
feet
above
base
flood
elevation.
They
are
requesting
65
feet
above
base
foot
elevation.
They
meet
the
criteria
of
the
planned
development,
section,
5.3
parent
m
parents,
135
or
1
through
3
in
the
land
development
regulations.
A
Finding
number
five
benefits.
Higher
density
is
essential
for
creating
lively
spaces
with
amenities.
Finding
number
eight
utilities
and
utility
improvements
may
be
required
off-site
line
extensions
and
will
be
further
reviewed
at
time
of
development
review
application.
Submittal
conclusion:
one:
the
project
meets
one
or
more
of
the
criteria
outlined
in
chapter
26,
section
5.5,
parent
b,
parent
two,
the
addition
of
open
space
between
the
two
buildings
along
marion
avenue,
offering
a
mixed-use
development.
The
structures
include
front
porches,
mixed-use
housing.
A
Conclusion
two:
the
project
meets
the
the
criteria
outlined
in
chapter
26,
section
5.3
perineum,
including
open
space
for
public
use
and
gatherings
a
true
mixed
use,
development
and
private
recreational
amenities
for
the
residents
of
the
site
parking.
The
parking
plan
meets
the
parking
requirements
of
chapter
26,
article
10
of
the
land
development
regulations
and
again
exceeds
the
actual
parking
requirements.
A
The
pd
approval
is
concept
approval
only
it's
a
rezoning
of
the
property.
It
includes
a
conceptual
of
the
site
plan,
layout,
building,
height
and
density
development
rule
will
require
a
drc
application
submittal
for
review
and
approval
prior
to
the
submittal
of
building
construction
plans.
I'll
all
architecture
and
landscape
requirements
will
be
reviewed
at
time
of
drc
submission.
A
I
I
B
J
Lisa
policy
number
4.1.1.11
talks
about
density
and
it
says
that
density
bonuses
could
be
up
to
50
depending
upon
the
conditions
and
compatibility
with
surrounding
users.
Now
the
density
that
is
being
proposed
for
this
development
equals
that
50
requirement.
That's
in
that
policy
isn't
that
correct.
A
A
H
Ultimately,
against
david
levin
city
attorney,
ultimately,
the
project
is
required
to
conform
to
the
provisions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
land
use.
Regulations
are
ultimately
required
to
be
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
in
this
case
in
the
in
the
relatively
unique
aspect
that
the
underlying
zoning
is
what
was
it
urban
urban?
The
future
land
use,
which
is
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
H
H
B
Any
other
questions
I
guess
I'd
like
to
get
a
confirmation
of
that
again
and
I
think
this
we're
looking
at
policy
of
the
future
land
use
four
one
one
point
eleven
gonna
go
to.
Let
me
just
read
the
last
paragraph
density
bonuses
could
be
up
to
fifty
percent
depending
upon
site
conditions
and
compatibility
with
surrounding
issues.
Are
we
identifying
here
that
that
is
superseded
by
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
Okay,
the
future
land
use
map
lisa
hannan's,
owning
official.
I
have
been
sworn
so.
The
future
land
use
map
it
states
for
certain
uses,
such
as
urban
village,
future
land
use
of
urban
village
and
professional
office
within
the
comprehensive
plan.
It
does
not
have
a
cap
on
the
maximum
density
that
can
be
requested
under
the
plan
development
process
and
within
the
cra
district.
B
N
Good
afternoon
jerry
waxle
with
mccrory
law
firm,
I
would
like
to
have
the
application
that
was
submitted
on
behalf
of
this
rezoning
entered
into
the
record.
Together
with
my
presentation
today,
an
electronic
copy
was
previously
provided
of.
My
powerpoint
was
previously
provided
to
staff,
I'm
representing
sahasa
realty
corp,
which
is
doing
business
with
shaheen
development,
we're
requesting
a
rezoning
from
city
center
to
planned
development.
The
subject
property
is
a
2.73
acre
parcel
prior
to
hurricane
charlie.
It
was
owned
by
the
punta
gorda
housing
authority
and
was
developed
with
low-income
multi-family
housing
units.
N
N
Shaheen
believes
that
this
project
is
what
the
community
envisions
when
it
talks
about
form-based
development.
Two
buildings
are
located
adjacent
to
marion
there
avenue
go.
These
are
the
two
buildings
that
are
adjacent
to
marion
avenue.
They
actually
have
them
as
multiple
buildings
they're
all
connected,
but
there
are
some
breezeways,
so
they're
connected
by
a
roof.
N
Those
buildings
front
on
marion
but
wrap
around
on
both
miles
street
and
dr
martin
luther
king
junior
boulevard.
The
buildings
will
contain
7
500
square
feet
of
commercial
and
office
space
on
the
first
floor.
While
the
second
floor
will
contain
12,
one
bedroom
live
work,
apartments,
a
live,
work
apartment,
the
building,
the
apartments
up
there
will
be
at
a
lower
rental
rate
than
the
apartments
and
buildings
what
are
shown
as
buildings,
one
and
two
on
the
site
plan.
N
The
facade
of
the
buildings.
Take
it
this
way
there
you
go.
The
facade
of
the
buildings
are
broken
up
by
breezeways,
which
connect
the
rear
parking
area
to
the
west
marion
sidewalk,
as
well
as
by
covered
first
floor
patios.
You
can
kind
of
see
them
at
the
two
corners
of
the
the
far
corners
of
the
buildings
covered,
first
or
patios,
which
will
be
able
to
be
utilized
by
out
for
outdoor
dining.
N
Additionally,
as
you
can
see
on
this,
the
two
buildings
are
separated
by
a
green
area
that
will
be
a
park
that
will
be
open
to
the
public
as
you
move
from
the
two-story
buildings
at
the
front
of
the
property
to
the
rear.
There
are
two
four-story
65-foot
mixed-use
buildings
over
one
level
of
parking
that
overlook
the
harbor
walk
and
the
peace
river.
These
buildings
will
contain
a
total
of
48
rental
apartments,
and
each
building
will
additionally
contain
an
office
area
and
copy
machines.
Residents
may
use
the
office
space
and
the
copy
machines
for
a
fee.
N
The
site
plan
also
incorporates
a
large
amenity
area.
You
can
see
that
between
the
two
buildings
back
toward
the
back,
what
will
be
along
the
harbor
walk,
which
may
include
a
community
pool
a
clubhouse
sport
courts
and
a
dog
park,
the
two
largest
buildings,
the
two
apartment
buildings,
were
intentionally
placed
perpendicular
to
the
harbor
walk
together.
The
position
of
the
buildings
and
the
large
open
area
between
the
buildings
will
reduce
the
visual
impact
from
the
river
and
from
the
harbor
walk
you
can
see
here.
N
N
Sheen
development
feels
strongly
that,
for
both
its
residential
and
commercial
projects
to
be
successful,
sufficient
parking
is
a
necessity.
The
site
provides
all
required
parking
that
is
required
by
code.
It
parks
its
residential
units
at
two
spaces
per
unit
for
a
total
of
120
spaces
and
additionally
provides
parking
for
retail
space
according
to
code,
at
one
space
for
250
feet
for
retail
and
one
space
for
400
feet
for
office
for
a
total
of
146
spaces
located
on
site,
including
eight
handicapped
spaces.
N
Additionally,
shaheen
will
improve
the
public
parking
areas
along
dr
martin
luther
king,
jr,
boulevard
and
mila
street,
adding
16
new
parking
spaces
along
mlk,
junior
boulevard
and
six
spaces
along
miles
street,
as
well
as
creating
a
sidewalk
connection
from
milos
to
the
harbor
walk.
A
total
of
32
spaces
would
now
be
located
along
mlk,
junior
boulevard
and
mila
street,
and-
and
I
know
if
you're,
adding
up
you're
saying
well-
that's
not
32.
There
are
existing
spaces.
You
can
see
on
the
site
plan
if
they
are
colored
or
or
shadowed.
N
Those
are
the
parking
spaces
we'll
be
creating.
You
can
see
that
there
are
some
spaces
that
already
exist
on
those
two
streets.
Those
spaces
would
be
public
spaces
which
may
be
used
by
patrons
of
the
businesses
on
the
sheen
property,
but
which
will
also
be
available
for
the
justice
center
and
harbor
walk
visitors.
Shaheen
is
not
requesting
any
reservation
of
those
spaces.
N
The
buildings
along
the
high
harbor
walk
are
just
under
65
feet
in
height
51
foot,
10
inches
from
the
required
12
foot
first
floor
finished
elevation
to
the
tie,
beam
and
then
an
additional
13
feet
from
the
tie
beam
to
the
top
of
the
pitched
roof.
Let
me
explain
how
we
got
there.
The
elevation
at
ground
level
is
six
and
a
half
feet.
N
The
lowest
finished
first
floor
that
it
could
be
placed,
was
12
foot
that
would
leave
5.5
feet
from
the
ground
to
the
ceiling,
which
would
not
allow
for
any
parking
underneath
the
building
to
accommodate
parking.
The
first
finished
floor
had
to
be
moved
from
12
foot
to
18.5
that
creates
12
feet
from
the
existing
grade
to
the
bottom
of
the
first
finished
floor
and
creates
the
height
necessary
to
place
parking
under
the
building.
N
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
providing
mixed-use
infill
development
within
the
downtown
community
redevelopment
area.
Forty
percent
of
the
site
is
devoted
to
commercial
and
public
uses
in
excess
of
the
25
required
to
permit
density
in
excess
of
the
three
and
a
half
units
per
acre.
It
also
adds
needed
apartment
housing
to
punta
gorda's
housing
mix.
Additionally,
the
proposed
rezoning
meets
the
criteria
for
approving
a
rezoning.
The
site
will
be
served
by
city,
water
and
sewer
will
have
an
on-site
vault-style
stormwater
management
system.
N
The
circulation
pattern,
as
you
can
see
here,
has
been
designed
to
allow
connection
between
mlk
junior
boulevard
and
mila
street
without
the
need
to
re-enter
or
cross
marion
avenue.
The
trip
generation
report
submitted
with
the
application
establishes
that
marion
avenue
will
continue
to
operate
within
adopted
levels
of
service
with
the
addition
of
the
project
traffic,
though
the
project
is
at
a
density
of
just
over
21,
actually
just
under
22
units
per
acre.
N
As
designed,
the
project
is
an
example
of
thoughtful
urban
design
providing
mixed
uses,
including
live
work,
units
and
downtown
apartment,
housing,
on-site
parking
and
public
outdoor
space.
Shaheen
development
joins
in
staff's
analysis
and
recommendations,
accepts
all
conditions
and
requests
a
recommendation
of
approval
for
its
planned
development.
Rezoning
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions,
as
is
the
project
engineer,
and
we
also
have
peter
shaheen
here
as
well
from
shaheen
development.
J
Jerry,
I
noticed
you're
using
a
lot
of
cantilever
balconies,
at
least
in
the
sketches.
Yes,
our
recent
reviews
of
architectural
standards
indicate
that
we
don't
we
try
to
avoid
cantilever
band
balconies
for
lots
of
reasons.
I
guess
maybe
mitch
can
comment
on
this,
but
during
the
final
review
of
the
final
architecture.
N
I
I
I
I
D
J
G
B
F
I
Yo
microphones,
off
there
we
go
pd,
05,
2022
and
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
ponte,
gorda
florida,
rezoning
property
addressed
as
114
and
150
west
marion
avenue
and
115
and
123
tamiami
trail
punta
gorda,
florida
containing
5.61
plus
or
minus
acres.
A
portion
of
block
5
trebu
subdivision
in
section
6,
township
41,
south
range
23
east,
according
to
the
plat
thereof,
is
recorded
in
flat
book.
I
A
Good
afternoon
lisa
hannon's
owning
official,
I
have
been
sworn.
I
would
like
to
enter
the
staff
report
in
its
entirety
into
the
record
by
reference.
So
this
is
a
rezoning
for
the
city
marketplace:
property.
What
we
consider
city
marketplace
property,
the
property
is
approximately
5.61
plus
or
minus
acres,
along
with
0.19
acres
that
is
owned
by
the
cra.
Currently,
the
request
is
to
rezone
from
city
center
to
plan
development
neighborhood.
The
proposed
uses
are
consistent
with
the
uses
permitted
within
the
city
center
zoning
district.
A
A
A
Under
I'm
sorry,
under
the
current
article
10
parking
requirements,
this
meets
the
minimum
code
requirements.
It
requires
one
parking
space
per
residential
dwelling
unit
and
one
space
for
every
three
or
every
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
So
it
is
proposing
406,
total
dwelling
units
and
406
parking
spaces
would
be
required
and
would
be
provided
for
that.
In
addition,
it's
approximately
29
990
square
feet
of
commercial
and
they're,
proposing
thirty
parking
spaces.
A
Building
c
marion
frontage
is
approximately
49
feet
above
base
flood
elevation
and
54
feet
above
finished
floor
for
the
total
height
building
d
along
west
reda.
The
frontage
60
feet
above
base
flood
elevation,
65
feet
above
finished
floor
buildings,
a
b
and
e
taylor,
41
and
west
reda
frontage
70
feet
above
base.
Flood
elevation
and
76
feet
above
finished
floor.
A
A
Storm
water
drainage
will
be
required
and
reviewed
at
the
time
of
the
development,
solid
waste,
the
county's
zimmer
road
landfill
has
capacity
through
the
county's,
2030
planning,
horizon
parks
and
recreation.
The
project
is
providing
public
recreation
under
the
red
experience
area
and
german
market
area,
outdoor
dining
and
outdoor
dining
areas.
Private
amenities
will
be
available
to
the
residents
of
the
community
of
the
development
public
schools.
The
actual
request
for
school
concurrency
is
required
prior
to
development,
re
approval,
so
sorry,
2040
comprehensive
plan
element
consistency.
A
It
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use,
objective,
1.1.10,
1.1.12,
1.1.14
policies.
One
point
two
point:
one
point.
One
point
two
point:
one
one
point
one
point
four
point:
three
one
point
one
point
four
point.
Four
one
point.
One
point:
nine
point.
Two
one
point.
One
point:
nine
point.
Three
one
point.
One
point:
nine
point.
Five
one
point
one
point:
one
zero
point.
A
Coastal
management
element,
objective
2b,
0.2.1,
2b,
0.1.4.4,
2b,
0.5.1.2
infrastructure,
element,
goal;
3.2.4,
objective,
3.1.1,
3.1.2,
3.2.22,
3.4.1,
3.7.2
policies,
point
3.1.1
point,
one
three
point:
one
point
two
point:
three
three
point
two
point
two
point:
three.
Three
point.
Two
point.
Two
point.
Four.
A
A
Compatibility
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
ele
surrounding
neighborhood
infield
development
is
desired
and
promoted
by
the
city.
It
mitigates
conflict
of
use
on
existing
development.
The
current
zoning
is
city
center
and
the
uses
are
consistent
with
the
uses
in
the
city
center
zoning
district,
public
facilities
and
amenities.
The
site
was
previously
developed
and
previously
served
with
waste
water
and
wastewater
utility
improvements
will
be
required.
A
A
It
requires
compliance
with
the
7th
edition
2020
florida
building
code,
7th
edition,
2020
florida,
fire
prevention
code,
2017
national
electrical
code
and
offload
elevation
requirements,
staff
found
no
unfavorable
topographic
or
geological
conditions
on
the
site.
Noise,
attenuation
on-site
parking
is
internal
to
the
site
and
under
the
build
some
of
the
buildings
buildings
and
required
landscaping
will
buffer
help
to
buffer
adjacent
properties.
A
A
The
volume
and
scale
is
not
mitigated
section:
7.4,
parent,
a
parent
two
with
historic
structures
across
marion
avenue,
no
variation
in
the
massing
of
buildings
was
provided,
section,
7.4,
parent,
a
parent,
five
six
and
seven
details
for
building
mounted
equipment
lighting
is
needed
and
that
is
usually
generally
reviewed
at
the
time.
Drc,
submittal,
7.4
parent
d,
rooftop
equipment
need
more
detail
again.
That's
normally
reviewed
at
time
of
development
review
parking
for
screening
and
landscaping.
A
That
is
part
of
the
deviations
requested
by
the
applicant
under
article
7,
section
7.5,
modification
of
provisions.
All
new
construction
shall
conform
with
the
article
architectural
provisions
of
this
article.
The
urban
design
manager
may
approve
minor
variations
to
this
section,
provided
similar
materials,
configurations
and
or
techniques
are
used
that
fulfill
the
intent
of
this
code.
Major
variation
to
building
facade
requirements
due
to
unique
building
use
requirements
may
be
approved
by
the
city
council,
provided
the
overall
pedestrian
nature
of
the
street
is
maintained
in
accordance
with
all
other
standards.
A
A
It
does
meet
the
criteria
outlined
in
section
5.5
parent
b
of
the
land
development
regulations,
finding
number
two:
it
meets
the
2019
economic
and
demographic
analysis,
finding
number
three
increase
in
building
height
permitted
as
a
building
height
of
60
feet
above
base
flood
elevation,
the
proposed
height,
70
and
76
feet
above
base
flood
elevation.
It
does
meet
the
criteria
in
section
5.3
parent
m,
one
through
three
land
development
regulations,
finding
number
four
minimum
parking
spaces,
total
parking
required.
Four
hundred
and
thirty
six
total
parking
provided.
A
A
Finding
number
five
traffic
study
was
included
and
staff
has
requested
additional
information
from
the
applicant
finding
number
six.
The
full
architectural
review
was
performed
at
the
applicant's
request.
Parts
of
the
project
may
not
meet
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
plan:
development,
article
7
architectural
provisions.
The
applicant
has
provided
supplemental
information
on
the
proposed
architecture.
A
Finding
number
7
proposed
development
exhibits,
new
urbanism
traits
promotes
walkable
neighborhoods
comprises
various
housing
types
and
job
types.
Buildings
increase
in
height,
moving
away
from
west
marion
avenue
applicant
provided
further
explanation
on
the
architecture
of
the
proposed
architecture
proposed
for
the
project.
Finding
number
eight
utility
improvements
will
be
necessary
and
reviewed
at
time
of
development
review
submittal.
A
So
conclusion
number
one:
the
project
meets
one
or
more
of
the
criteria
outlined
in
chapter
26,
section
5.5,
parent
b,
parent
two,
the
addition
of
open
space
at
the
corner
of
taylor
and
west
marion
avenue.
It's
a
compact
pedestrian-oriented
development
pattern.
It's
offering
a
mixed-use
development.
The
structure
includes
some
front
porches
and
awnings
mixed-use
housing.
There
are
residential
dwelling
units
above
commercial
retail,
traditional
architecture
and
building
materials.
A
The
project
meets
the
criteria
outlined
in
chapter
26,
section
5.3,
perineum,
included
an
open
space
area
for
public
use
and
gatherings.
Mixed-Use
development
with
residential
restaurant
retail
and
office
uses
private
recreation.
Amenities
are
provided
for
the
residents
of
the
site.
Conclusion
3
the
parking
meets
the
minimum
parking
requirements
of
the
land
development
regulations.
A
A
Conclusion
6
applicant
requested
deviations
of
sections
of
article
10
to
include
section
10.3,
parent,
f,
parent,
three
compact
parking
space
sizes,
section,
10.3,
paren
g
drive,
aisle
widths
and
section
10.9
and
10.10
loading
zones.
Conclusion
7
utility
concerns
are
to
be
addressed
prior
to
drc
approval
conditions
of
approval
development
review
plans
are
required
to
be
submitted
prior
to
construction
travel.
E
A
Now,
what
they,
what
they
proposed
was
one
for
250.,
what's
required,
that
property
did
not
fall
within
the
parking
exemption
area.
This
falls
within
the
parking
exemption
area
in
the
downtown
based
on
chapter
26,
article
10,
the
parking
requirements.
This
is
within
the
core
downtown
and
there's
a
parking
exemption
area
which
only
requires
one
per
residential
dwelling
unit
and
one
per
thousand
square
feet
of
retailer
commercial.
I
J
J
G
C
A
A
A
E
I
have
a
question
regarding
storm
water
collection,
because
it's
going
to
be
all
impervious,
the
whole
aerial
will
be
impervious.
I
think
the
only
area
with
grass
might
be
in
their
area
for
community.
You
know
where
they
have
a
pool
and
things
like
that.
What
will
be
used
to
collect
the
stormwater,
the.
A
Applicant
or
their
engineer
will
be
able
to
answer
that,
but
that
will
be
discussed
and
that
will
be
reviewed
and
required
at
time
of
development
review
submittal
when
they,
when
they
submit
their
development
plans.
That
is
when
our
public
works
department
reviews
storm
water,
it's
more
more
than
likely
an
underground
vaulted
system
right.
E
A
B
We're
you
know
trying
to
look
at
rezoning
this
yet
yet
the
object
that
we're
object
and
and
the
conditions
look
like
there's
potential
changes
to
it-
seems
to
me
until
the
many
of
these
deviations
are
established
and
documented,
and
then
we
really
know
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about.
That
is
my
general
general
comment.
I
have
other
specifics
as
well
too
well.
I
J
A
That
agreement
will
be
reviewed
at
a
at
a
separate
time
by
city
council.
That
agreement
is
not
part
of
the
rezoning
request,
but
as
part
of
staff's
review,
there
are
certain
limitations
to
that
and
again
that
that
would
be
reviewed
and
either
approved
or
denied
by
city
council,
because
that's
part
of
the
land
swap
and
that
would
be
an
easement
agreement.
That
would
be
again
determined
by
city
council
for
their
acceptability.
J
J
E
E
A
E
A
A
K
Good
afternoon
rob
bernsen
with
big
w
law
firm.
I
have
been
sworn
in
I'm
here
with
the
members
of
the
development
team
who
you'll
hear
from
shortly.
I
just
wanted
to
cover
a
couple
of
preliminary
items
and
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today.
We
want
to
start
by
thanking
staff.
They've
been
a
pleasure
to
work
with
through
this
process,
and
we
wouldn't
have
been
here
today
without
the
hard
work
that
they've
put
in.
K
I
would
like
to
address
two
minor
items
that
were
brought
up
to
begin
with
and
then
I'll
turn
the
presentation
for
the
formal
presentation
over
to
mr
klein
with
geiss
family
geiss,
real
estate,
llc
number
one
is
the
land
swap
the
land
swap
is
intended
to
allow
for
the
continuation
of
the
christmas
tree
corner.
As
we
spoke
to
the
community
and
members
of
staff,
there
is
an
overriding
desire
to
retain
that
christmas
tree
corner
and
the
ability
for
the
annual
christmas
tree
lighting
and
display
there.
K
If
you
don't
put
certain
limitations
on
it,
the
property
owner
has
no
right
to
enforce
those
limitations,
and
that
is
why
there
are
certain
limitations
contained
within
the
proposed
easement
for
the
public
area.
The
other
thing
I
think,
that's
important
to
understand
is
this
is
not
a
straight
rezoning.
This
is
a
plan
development
rezoning,
a
plan
development.
K
Zoning
category
is
a
category
that
has
some
parameters
outlined
in
the
staff
code,
but
it
also
is
a
zoning
category
that
is
an
open
box
that
allows
you
to
make
deviations
and
make
conditions
of
the
pd
zoning
that
are
unique
to
an
opportunity
to
develop
a
particular
piece
of
property.
So,
with
those
caveats
in
mind,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
brandon
klein
to
make
his
presentation.
K
Yeah,
I'm
to
address
one
other
comment
that
was
made
earlier.
The
planned
development
as
approved
the
concept
that
is
approved
is
for
that
concept.
Just
because
certain
aspects
are
approved.
For
that
concept
doesn't
mean
you
can
wipe
the
slate
clean
and
come
in
and
do
whatever
you
want
with
the
same
conditions
that
were
approved.
If
you
change
your
site
plan,
you
have
to
come
back
through
the
process
and
amend
the
entire
concept
plan.
L
Thank
you
rob
and
thank
you
planning,
commission
members
for
hearing
us,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
all
the
residents
here.
It
speaks
volumes
seeing
this
many
residents
in
attendance,
I'm
hopeful
to
try
to
answer
all
questions.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
questions
might
be
just
not
understanding,
necessarily
all
the
details
of
the
development,
so
I
hope
to
clarify
everything.
So
please
be
patient
as
we
get
through
things
again
very
happy
to
to
go
through
the
details
of
this
project.
L
Since
then,
we've
spent
countless
time
in
the
city
at
various
stages
in
season
off
season
weekends
event,
days,
not
event
days
during
the
daytime.
During
the
evening
hours
to
us,
it's
extremely
important
to
understand
any
new
city
we
develop
in
how
that
city
breeze,
how
the
heartbeat
of
that
site
is
you
can't
design
in
a
box?
You
have
to
understand
what
that
site
means
to
a
city
and
design
appropriately
for
that,
so
I
want
to
start
with
that.
L
Another
item
that
I
do
want
to
bring
up
is
that
our
our
company
is
a
a
family-owned
company,
we're
on
third
generation
ownership,
irwin
geiss,
who
kathy
and
irwin
who
started
the
company
54
years
ago,
were
german
immigrants.
The
german
heritage
is
extremely
important
to
the
to
the
company,
and
some
elements
of
that
will
will
convey
into
this
this
project.
L
We
are
a
general
contractor
so
to
us,
we
are
fully
invested
in
this
community.
We
are
not
simply
building
this
and
walking
away.
We
are
simply
not
flipping
this
property.
We
will
be
in
this
property
for
a
long
hold.
We
are
long-term
hold
developers.
Our
track
record
shows
that
things
that
are
becoming
or
say
concerns
that
are
be
brought
to
our
attention.
We
are
going
to
have
to
live
with.
We
are
going
to
have
to
manage.
L
We
are
going
to
have
to
address
through
the
life
of
this
property,
it's
extremely
important
to
us
as
a
development
company,
to
try
to
limit
as
much
as
we
can
do
as
far
as
creating
problems,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
the
project
isn't
successful,
it's
us
managing
it.
It's
our
development
and
that
doesn't
always
happen
in
development.
Sometimes
people
develop
and
walk
away.
So
I.
L
To
convey
that
message
until
before
we
get
in
into
the
project
the
site
itself,
obviously
located
in
the
heart
of
the
city
center
of
punta
gorda
and
the
last
thing
I'll
state
is,
we
fell
in
love
with
this
city.
As
a
developer,
we
made
the
cardinal
center
development.
It's
something
you
don't
do
as
a
developer
is
fall
in
love
with
projects
before
they're
built,
because
there
might
be
a
place
where
you
have
to
walk
away.
L
L
We
feel
that
the
plan
that
we're
putting
before
you
is
the
best
foot
forward
to
be
able
to
provide
the
level
of
density
and
critical
mass
required
for
a
project
to
to
be
able
to
be
viable.
It's
not
viable,
yet.
Construction,
material
costs
escalating,
constantly
construction
loans,
skyrocketing
in
interest
rates
and
loan
to
values
and
equity
requirements
are
also
increasing.
So
all
those
aspects
are
things
that
we're
battling
every
day
as
developers.
L
Everybody
in
this
room
in
real
estate
can
understand
that
and
we
try
are
trying
to
put
forth
a
project
that
meets
the
needs
of
the
city
that
is
respectful
to
the
residents
that
in
in
that
is
created
to
embrace
and
also
enhance
the
current
city
that
we
fell
in
love
with
as
many
residents
that
come
here
visit
and
fall
in
love
and
want
to
stay
here
as
punta
gorda
residences.
So
we
did
the
same
thing.
L
When
we
started
development,
we
tried
to
create
framework,
we
try
to
create
principles
that
we
want
to
convey
and
and
design
integrated
with.
What
did
we
see
in
punta
gorda
that
we
felt
was
so
important
for
city
center?
We
found
a
very
active
lifestyle.
We
found
an
elder
population,
but
there's
no
reason
it's
not
a
multi-generational.
L
Community
as
well,
we
found
that
active
lifestyle
revolving
around
dogs
pets,
the
amount
of
dogs
that
are
walking
every
morning
along
the
harbour,
walk
or
other
aspects
are
integral
the
amount
of
park.
Space,
19
parks
in
the
city
of
pontogorda
throughout
the
city
is
things
that
made
us
fall
in
love
with
it.
L
The
idea
that
there's
the
farmers
markets
and
the
the
constant
events
and
fairs
and
and
festivals
that
occur
in
the
city,
I
don't
think
we've
ever
seen
a
city
that
has
that
much
activities
going
on
and
we
embrace
it
and
then.
Lastly,
a
pedestrian
experience
the
picture
in
the
bottom
right.
Our
company
has
an
office
in
beneath
springs,
but
we're
headquartered
in
cleveland
ohio.
That
picture
is
of
east
4th
street
in
cleveland.
L
It
was
a
part
of
the
resurgence
of
the
redevelopment
of
downtown
cleveland
and
to
us
it
is
exactly
what
we'd
like
to
try
to
convey
here
and
that's
on
retta
we've
tagged
it
at
the
reda
experience
and
the
idea
that
we
create
a
pedestrian
thoroughfare
that
allows
for
outdoor
dining
and
outdoor
experience
and
activation
again.
We
want
to
embrace
the
amount
of
activities
and
investments
and
events
that
occur
in
punta
gorda.
L
Further,
we
look
at
inspiration.
We
look
at
concepts
that
are
important
to
us
in
the
development
world
christmas
tree
corner.
It
was
impossible
even
on
our
first
visit
to
not
get
told
in
the
first
eight
meetings
we
had
how
important
christmas
tree
lighting
ceremony
is
immediately
to
us
that
caught
our
eye.
It
was
important
again,
as
I
mentioned,
the
german
family
roots,
the
marin
platts
or
in
the
italian
culture.
L
L
The
beautiful
aspect
of
the
christmas
tree
lighting
ceremony
is
one
of
the
major
aspects
of
the
german
culture.
That's
amazing
anybody
who's
visited
germany
and
the
christmas
time
understands
the
christmas
tree
villages
and
what
that
experience
is
to
us
christmas
tree
plaza.
Here,
german
marketplace
can
turn
into
an
evolving
adaptable
outdoor
event,
space
that
will
adapt
seasonally
and
be
activated.
L
The
intention
of
that
plaza
is
to
be
for
public
use.
The
restrictions
that
are
included
in
the
easement
are
solely
so
that
we
can
control
it
to
ensure
safety
security,
no
vandalism,
skateboarding
other
aspects
like
that
that
could
deter
or
distract
or
take
away
or
damage
the
plaza
itself.
The
intention
there
is
a
hundred
percent
public
use.
L
L
Obviously,
you
can
never
know
where
you're
going
without
knowing
what
was
there.
When
you
look
at
the
history
of
the
marketplace
and
the
surrounding
context,
he
had
a
very
large
you
know.
Retail
shopping
center
unfortunately
was
taken
away
by
hurricane
charley
and
then
obviously
some
of
the
adjacent
context.
That's
there.
L
No
development
can
start
without
context
images
what's
there
today,
when
we
looked
around
our
site,
not
necessarily
focusing
on
the
empty
vacant
lot,
but
looking
at
what's
around
it,
what
is
our
development
going
to
adapt
to?
What
is
it
going
to
speak
to
you?
Have
the
historic
nature
of
marion
avenue,
the
walkability
that's
created
there,
wyvern
hotel
and
four
points,
both
two
larger
structures.
L
Both
you
know
slightly
understated,
not
architecture.
That's
going
to
jump
out
of
your
face,
it's
going
to
blend
in
with
the
skyline
and
within
the
context
of
the
the
area.
These
are
all
intentional
elements
of
the
design
that
we
took
into
the
project.
We
want
this
building
to
be
understated.
We
want
it
to
be
timeless.
L
As
I
mentioned,
the
parks
there's
19
parks
in
the
city,
proper
punta
gorda,
one
of
the
aspects
that
we
intention
is
to
create
opportunities
for
the
park
space
within
our
building
or
our
development
that
park
space
is
more
of
a
hardscape
park.
This
is
a
very
common
urban
principle.
That's
used
in
development
throughout
the
country,
especially
in
large
urban
cities,
larger
cores
and
middle
and
mid-size
and
smaller
cores.
B
L
View
we
have
five
buildings,
various
height
structures,
one
of
the
elements
that
I'm
going
to
stress,
though
in
building
c
on
marion
at
four
stories,
and
that
the
heights
is
presented
if
that
building
was
submitted
without
the
rest
of
the
project.
That
project
would
be
compliant
per
city
code
for
size,
height
and
density.
L
So
I
want
to
stress
that
I
know
the
sensitivity
there.
The
remaining
buildings
all
have
a
slight
variation
in
style,
starting
with
kind
of
a
more
historic
feel,
alongs
building
sea
along
marion,
where
we
design
corner
features
and
details
that
I'll
get
to
shortly
and
and
highlight.
While
these
buildings
are
large
buildings,
these
are
small
blocks
by
urban's
core
standards.
L
The
idea
that
a
building
runs
the
full
depth
we
intentionally
pulled
buildings
not
running
full
block
length
of
of
these
this
vacant
site
we
intentionally
broke
them
into
individual
pieces
and
not
holding
all
the
corners
we
intentionally
stepped
them
back
in
scale.
So
from
marion
stepping
back
and
you'll
see
in
some
of
these
renderings,
we
intentionally
pulled
the
height
off
of
marion,
respecting
the
historic
nature
of
that
street.
We
preserved
the
sidewalks
along
marion.
L
L
The
project
has
406
residential
units,
60
of
those
are
for
sale,
condos,
the
346
of
them
are
going
to
be
for
rent.
The
four
rental
units
are
definitely
we've
had
some
questions
on
on
the
style
of
of
of
the
the
apartment
units.
They're
gonna
be
a
luxury
to
market
rate
apartments.
They
are
gonna,
be
not
below
market
rate
or
below
value.
L
There's
been
comments
about
affordability.
The
affordable
aspect
has
to
do
with
the
size
and
what
those
rent
scales
end
up
being
for
those
size.
The
apartment
buildings
in
a
c
b
and
d
have
an
average
square
foot
size
about
872
square
feet.
They
are
576
square
foot
to
1200
and
change
studios,
one
bedroom
efficiencies,
one
bedrooms
and
two
bedrooms
to
answer
the
question
about
cars.
L
My
team
here
who
is
here
as
well
as
when
I'm
done
with
this
presentation,
we're
happy
to
answer
questions.
Our
parking
consultant
is
here
and
can
go
into
details
there,
but
because
of
the
fact
of
a
lot
of
the
31
of
our
units
are
below
631
square
feet
between
576
and
631
square
feet.
Typically,
those
units
are
more
for
a
single
occupant
user,
so
one
car
or
a
couple
other
aspects
that
occur
and
are
shown,
and
I
do
want
to
give
context.
L
We
do
develop
one
unit,
one
parking
space
per
unit
developments
in
other
areas
of
the
country
in
cleveland,
ohio.
The
parking
code
is
one
car
per
unit
where
we
currently
have
about
700
units
under
management
there
in
various
size
and
densities
and
all
of
our
parking
situations
where
we
are
one
per
one.
We
do
not
have
a
parking
problem
at
all
in
any
of
those
developments
again.
One
of
the
aspects
here
that
happens
is
there's
people
that
work
different
hours.
L
L
We
tried
to
minimize
parking
to
areas
where
there
was
less
I'll,
say:
pedestrian
oriented
one
of
the
development
aspects
of
this
project
that
we
created
was.
We
wanted
to
ensure
that
we
had
no
structured
parking
lots
and
what
I
mean
by
that
multi-level
parking
lots
they're
not
well
received
by
the
user,
they're
hard
to
maneuver
they're
hard
to
to
be
able
to
get
go
through,
but,
more
importantly,
they
become
a
visual
distraction
on
a
site.
L
Our
intention
here
was
to
create
an
open
plan
with
surface
parking
so
that
you
always
could
see
aspects
and
of
activities
and
energy
throughout
the
site.
The
other
aspect
that
I
want
to
use
as
a
case
study
or
an
example,
is
that
one
of
our
properties
that
we
manage
in
cleveland
ohio
right
in
the
heart
of
little
italy
of
cleveland.
L
It
is
a
very
quaint
district
in
in
cleveland
and
it's
extremely
over
congested
because
of
the
scale
and
size
with
parking
being
a
challenge,
and
they
have
festivals
once
a
year
for
the
feast
of
assumption
in
those
situations
what
we
could
do
and
what
we
set
up
in
the
past.
With
things
we've
been
able
to
have
our
residents
park
off-site,
we've
set
up
shuttles
to
drop
people
off
at
these
nearby
parking
lots
so
that
that
space
can
be
recaptured
and
utilized
for
the
festivals
themselves.
L
Again,
our
intention
is
to
be
a
part
of
the
community
and
to
be
able
to
still
facilitate
public
events
that
are
so
enjoyable
within
the
city
and
we've
had
very
great
success.
Most
of
our
residents
love
it
because
they
don't
have
to
go
anywhere
to
enjoy
those
festivals
and
events,
and
we
give
them
notice
and-
and
we
set
that
up
and
we're
open
to
that
scenario
here.
Obviously,
the
details
need
to
get
worked
out.
L
Projections
on
the
second
floor,
or
above
all,
of
our
buildings,
get
pulled
back
up
on
the
second
floor
or
above
our
intention
on
the
ground
floor
was
to
engage
the
sidewalk
and
engage
the
pedestrian
and
the
renderings
I'll
focus
and
talk
about
canopy,
extensions,
storefronts
and
other
activation
that
we
create.
You
can
see
in
this
plan
a
lot
of
movement
in
the
building
facade.
You
can
see
the
push
and
pull
effects
that
occur
along
marion
and
41
and
along
taylor.
L
L
L
One
of
the
items
I
do
want
to
say
there
are
40
compact
car
spaces
within
building
these
footprints.
When
we
say
compact
car
spaces,
normally
people
go
to
compact
car
spaces
because
of
parking
width.
The
compact
car
spaces
in
this
are
only
because
of
length.
The
width
is
a
standard
parking
space
at
nine
foot
wide
in
the
staff
report.
You'll
note
that
there
is
some
dimensions,
calling
out
a
seven
foot
clearance
for
parking
spaces.
L
We
call
that
out
as
a
deviation,
because
there's
columns,
obviously
they're
going
to
come
and
support
the
parking
structure
or
the
apartments
above
those
columns
will
sit
at
the
back
end
of
the
parking
space,
so
they'll
be
in
line
with
the
bumper
of
the
car,
so
they
do
not
interfere
with
the
door
spaces.
The
doors
clearance
is
opening
up
and
is
usually
a
very
typical
strategy
used
in
any
parking
garage
structure.
L
L
The
other
aspect
of
this
that
is
a
nice
feature
as
far
as
apartment
apartment,
buildings
and
residential
units
go,
you
do
have
the
ability
to
assign
parking
spaces.
So
in
that
nature
we
can
also
assign
parking
spaces
to
those
compact
spaces
that
are
fit.
You
know
better
in
length
to
us
than
a
suv
necessarily,
but
I
wanted
to
give
that
context
to
the
group.
Another
aspect
that
there
was
noted
was
some
drive.
Lane
exceptions
from
the
code.
All
of
our
surface
parking
lots
conform
to
the
codes
parking
aisle
requirements,
24
foot
wide.
L
The
only
places
we
choked
down
to
parking
aisles
in
that
some
places
we
do
to
20
feet
is
within
the
building
footprints.
The
reason
for
that
is
fitting.
Within
the
building
footprint
the
building
building's
footprint,
but
in
urban
practices
of
parking
garages,
a
20-foot
wide
drive
lane
is
actually
a
two-lane
traffic
condition.
Again,
this
is
a
principle
that's
used
in
cleveland,
ohio
for
parking
requirements
of
only
20
feet
and
other
urban
cities
across
the
country.
Small,
medium
and
large
populations
use
that
as
well.
L
Lastly,
we
would
state
that
the
parking
garages
are
going
to
be
very
low
density
garages
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
it's
a
low
flow
rate.
People
leave
at
different
times.
It's
not
like
a
commercial
office
building
that
everybody
at
9
a.m
or
8
am
leave
at
the
exact
same
time
and
come
home
at
5,
00,
5,
pm
people
slowly
dilute
and
slowly
come
back,
so
normally
in
parking
garages.
That's
why
everyone
usually
park
drives
right
down
the
middle
of
the
lane,
but
cars
can
still
slide
by
again
a
full-size
suv.
L
Well,
I'm
still
on
parking.
One
last
item
that
I
want
to
bring
up
is
a
parking
control
system.
We
will
institute
a
parking
parking.
All
the
parking
lots
will
be
gated,
they
have
a
parking
control
system.
What
that
parking
control
system
is
a
smart
system,
it's
an
analog.
It
has
an
algorithm
attached
to
it.
It
allows
you
to
best
utilize
and
fully
utilize
all
parking
spaces
within
the
development
in
a
mixed
use.
Development.
L
If
you
look
up
urban
land
definition,
this
is
exactly
what
that
project
typology
is
and
what
our
traffic
a
parking
engineer
will
state
soon
here.
Is
that,
because
of
shared
parking
aspects,
you
know
the
peak
demands
of
a
restaurant
parking
versus
an
office
parking
versus
a
apartment
building
are
all
at
different
times,
so
those
parking
spaces,
while
most
of
them
are
not
dedicated,
can
easily
cohabitate
in
the
same
space
and
not
interfere
with
the
demand.
L
As
I
mentioned,
we
would
not
be
designing
a
development
that
we
felt
was
not
meeting
a
criteria
that
would
further
strain
the
city's
parking
problem.
Everyone
in
this
room
can
fully
agree,
including
myself,
that
there's
a
parking
problem
in
this
city,
but
this
site
can't
bear
the
burden
of
solving
all
of
the
city's
parking
problems.
L
Lastly,
in
building
e
the
second
floor,
deck
of
the
condo
building
has
an
extension
for
a
public
amenity
space.
I'm
sorry,
a
private
amenity
space
for
the
condo
unit
itself
that
overhangs
the
parking
the
surface
parking
lot
in
that
area
have
a
pool
and
other
outdoor
amenities
for
that
building
itself.
L
Now
the
design
of
the
buildings,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
architecture
of
the
building
and
the
architectural
style
that
we
saw
in
punta
gorda
for
the
most
part
all
fit
in
with
you
know,
fit
in
with
a
natural
feel
they
fit
in
to
the
point
where
they
they
didn't
stand
out.
There
was
no
style
architecture
that
was
consistent
across
buildings,
colors
and
and
aspects
of
what
we
felt
was
successful.
Projects
within
the
city
limits
were
normally
earth-toned,
natural
and
light-colored
materials.
We
felt
that
were
really
important
was
creating
a
strong
ground
floor.
L
We
have
a
cast
stone
at
the
bases
revealed
stucco
along
the
ground
floor
elements
very
similar
to
the
wyvern,
with
express
columns
and
pilasters.
Other
elements
that
you'll
see
is
all
the
storefronts
are
set
back
within
those
to
further
express
those
those
details
and
pie
lasters,
and
we
have
canopy
extensions
that
will
extend
out
over
the
sidewalk
to
allow
for
a
pedestrian
to
walk
across
down
the
street
in
a
protected
nature.
L
If
it
was
raining
and
to
enjoy
the
the
urban
dynamic
on
the
marion
building,
building
c
you'll
start
to
see
some
of
the
historic
details
that
we
added
or
historic
elements
I'll
say
to
the
building
and
what
I
mean
is
we
did
not
want
this
building
to
look
historic,
but
we
wanted
to
complement
historic
design,
feel
we
created
express
porticos
at
the
corners
of
the
buildings
for
walk
out
balconies
for
some
of
those
units
with
lower
roof
structures,
those
roof
structures.
Throughout
the
complex
we
had
looked
at
spanish-style
roofs
for
a
long
period
of
time.
L
As
thinking
that
that
was
the
right
maneuver
and
the
more
we
looked
at
the
city,
the
more
we
saw
metal,
seam,
roofs
being
really
the
roof
of
choice
in
the
area
and
the
roof
of
punta
gorda.
You
know
for
a
a
a
richer
look:
more
coastal
look
than
than
the
spanish
style
influence
we
didn't
see
as
much
of
the
barrel
vaulted
spanish
tile
roofing.
L
We
moved
building
elevations
and
height
and
parapets
in
height,
and
then
we
also
lower
and
raise
the
pair
the
cornice
work
on
the
building
as
well
to
further
express
similar
to
what
was
done
in
the
wyvern
hotel.
We
create
shadow
lines
by
changing
the
colors
of
the
facade,
underneath
the
windows
and
recess
that
back
to
create
a
shadow
line,
and
we
create
cantilever
balconies
to
express
and
and
reach
out
and
and
connect
to
the
front
building
plane
that
we
we
engage
with
the
sidewalk.
L
Here's
one
of
my
favorite
renderings
down
marion
avenue,
showing
basically
that
public
space
that
and
right
away
that
is
being
maintained,
the
sidewalk
representation
of
the
depth
between
the
curb
line
and
the
pedestrian
in
the
storefront,
the
experience
of
scale
and
density
of
the
heavy
cornice
at
the
ground
floor
level,
with
the
building
stepping
back
with
the
retail
signage.
That's
underslung,
underneath
the
canopy
expressions
that
occur
and
some
of
the
detailing
you
see
at
the
ground
floor,
holding
the
ground
of
the
building
for
the
caston
culture,
church,
stone.
L
Here's
a
great
corner
view
at
tammy,
emmy
and
marion
as
you
can
see
the
movement
in
the
building
along
the
facade.
While
we
are
building
out
for
a
large
majority
of
that
block,
you'll
start
to
see
the
building
getting
pulled
back
again,
fully
engaged
at
the
pedestrian
level
at
the
street
to
maximize
the
retail
and
commercial
frontage.
But
then
the
building's
starting
to
push
and
pull
and
move.
L
L
Here's
a
view
at
night.
You
know
this
project
will
be
viewed.
You
know,
24
hours
a
day.
The
intention
is
to
take
away
what
right
now
is
a
blight
dark
block
on
the
city
and
create
life
and
energy,
but
do
it
in
a
respectful
way.
The
idea
here
is
is
that
we
want
to
this
this
development
and
this
building
to
have
a
classy
glow
about
it
at
night,
a
warm
glow.
L
As
we
move
down
the
street
on
taylor,
one
of
our
biggest
gestures
has
to
do
with
the
occupancy
of
retta
we're
currently
working
through
the
details
of
the
retic
partial
closure
elements
that
we're
talking
about.
As
far
as
the
reta
a
closure
happens,
we're
looking
at
a
either
partial
occupation
of
this
street.
L
One
thing
I
can
say,
as
a
development
team,
the
retta
connection
at
41
is
extremely
concerning.
It's
like
taking
a
lo.
You
know
a
lottery
ticket
on,
maybe
being
your
last
crossing
as
an
intersection
and
to
us
the
potential
of
closing
that
down
for
a
public
enhancement
is
much
better
than
the
traffic
concern
and
continued
crashes.
L
We
don't
think
that
it's
critical
to
the
development
to
be
maintained
at
one
time
we
did
when
we
didn't
have
access
off
a
tailor
for
our
surface
lot
on
block
a,
but
now
we
don't
feel
it's
as
critical,
especially
if
this
becomes
a
vacated
street
and
we
want
to
allow
for
the
residents
to
be
able
to
enjoy
the
outdoor.
You
know
space
along
the
property
and
engage
the
storefronts
of
the
restaurants
and
retail
spaces
along
that
area.
L
Additionally,
we'll
be
adding
string
lights
along
that
again
create
that
nice
ambient
glow
at
night-
and
I
think
the
next
rendering
shows
here
shows
that
view
at
night
and
the
opportunity
for
this
street
to
be
activated.
The
also
the
intention
of
this
is
that
it
could
be
a
an
event
zone.
It
could
be
allowed
for
food
trucks
to
come
in
for
food
truck
night.
It
could
be
allowed
for
a
band
to
set
up
a
stage
and
come
in
and
have
an
outdoor
concert.
L
The
the
a
craft
show
and
art
show
in
other
aspects.
Again
we
absolutely
encourage
and
and
love
the
fact
about
the
city
of
the
amount
of
events
that
happen
here.
Yearly-
and
we
don't
want
to
take
away
from
that-
we
want
to
enhance
that.
We
want
to
encourage
it
and
we
want
to
basically
embrace
it
as
best
as
we
can.
L
L
L
So
the
highest
building
again,
as
I'm
going
to
say,
is
76
feet
from
sidewalk
for,
and
that
is
any
architectural
element,
a
part
of
that
building,
all
right
and
roofline
and
from
base
flood.
That's
a
70
foot
request,
which
is
only
10
foot
above
the
current
code
standards,
which
is
a
lot
in
line
with
most
variances
that
have
been
granted
to
other
buildings
in
the
area.
L
L
And
then
we
included
some
building
elevations
just
so
everyone
can
have
reference
points
of
where
materiality
is
windows.
Balconies
other
elements,
one
thing
that
elevations
don't
do
a
good
job
of
is
showing
movement.
They
look
flat
right.
So
no
shadows
are
added
here
to
show
the
movement
in
the
building,
but
I
can
assure
that
from
those
renderings
there
is
movement
in
the
verticality
of
this
building.
L
E
L
I
think
parking
garages
has
everything
to
do
with
density
of
population
right,
and
you
know
I
I
will
say
this
there's
a
parking
problem
here,
but
that
parking
problem
is
more
cultural
than
it
is
an
actual
true
problem.
When
we
have
been
here
when
we
have
been
here
when
when
we
have
been
here
for
numerous
evening
event
days
in
other
areas,
there's
many
adjacent
underused
lots.
The
herald
court
center
is
near
vacant,
almost
all
of
the
time.
That's
a
public
garage
that
was
built
by
the
city
all
right.
L
Again,
I'm
not
going
to
argue
or
sit
here
and
say
that
there's
not
a
parking
problem.
There
is
a
parking
problem,
but
that
aspect
needs
to
be
addressed
in
other
areas,
not
necessarily
the
burden
of
our
site
to
support
all
of
the
other
parking
that's
needed
for
other
businesses
that
don't
have
any
parking
spaces.
E
L
That
was
again
that's
not
for
everyday
use.
I'm
not
saying
we're
doing
that
for
everyday
use.
That's
that's
saying
is
is
how
we
can
create
an
opportunity
to
could
still
continue
to
have
the
events
that
happen
on
marketplace
area,
which
again
is
not
publicly
hold
land.
It's
a
private
land
that
you
know
that
that
works
with
the
current
land
seller.
To
allow
those
events
to
occur.
On
we're
saying
as
a
developer,
we
would
still
be
open
to
working
with.
L
You
know
various
groups
to
be
able
to
try
to
accommodate
that
aspect,
and
we
do
have
our
parking
consultant
here,
adam
kerr,
with
kimberly
horn.
I'd
love
him
to
be
able
to
explain
shared
parking
configurations
based
on
urban
land,
institute's
guidelines
and
engineering
guidelines
of
how
these
spaces
cohabitate,
which
was
all
formally
submitted
a
part
of
our
pd,
and
it
supports
the
fact
that
our
development
will
not
further
burden
the
city's
parking
problem
that
we
will
take
care
of
the
parking
that's
required
upon
our
site.
K
K
So
so
we
reviewed
data
and
studies,
for
you
know
professionally
accepted
studies
around
the
country
published
by
ite
institute
of
transportation
engineers
as
well
as
uli
for
this
type
of
development,
the
actual
uli
for
ite,
for
example.
Their
parking
rate
is
still
it's
actually
less
than
one
space
per
unit
for
the
ite,
so
we're
actually
slightly
more
than
that.
K
As
brandon
said,
parking
rates
in
a
lot
of
locations
are
based
off
of
sort
of
a
general
consensus
of
the
the
number
of
units,
a
number
of
bedrooms
in
the
units
and
a
lot
of
suburban
type
apartments
that
we're
more
used
to
have
multiple.
You
know
two
bedrooms,
three
bedroom
units
majority
of
this
one
is
a
much
smaller
unit
type,
so
there
would
be
fewer
families
for.
K
G
E
L
That
that
question,
so,
just
so
everyone's
aware,
31
percent
of
our
units
are
631
square
feet
or
less
that
studios
or
one
bedroom
efficiency
units.
Those,
as
I
said,
predominantly,
are
single
occupant
users,
because
they're
able
to
form
the
afford
the
rent
structure
of
what
that
size
of
a
unit
creates
in
a
rent.
L
23
additional
units
are
one
bedrooms.
Okay,
so
total
of
54
percent
of
our
development
is
less
than
one
bed
or
one
bedroom
or
less.
That
46
percent
are
two
bedrooms,
but
we
do
also
have
a
lot
of
two
bedrooms
that
are
two
bedroom
efficiencies.
What
we
call
two-bedroom
efficiency
has
two
bedrooms,
one
bathroom.
L
Typically,
what
we
see
in
those
situations
is
a
single
person
renting
that
and
wanting
either
workspace
because
of
the
virtual
work
world
or
a
guest
room
in
that
scenario,
because
it's
only
got
one
bedroom
in
those
aspects.
It's
not
necessarily
usually
a
family
in
those
developments
and
those
equate
to
an
additional
five
percent
of
the
46
aspect.
Again,
we're
not
going
to
sit
here
and
say
that
there
aren't
units
that
have
two
cars.
L
I
wasn't
present
at
that
presentation.
Unfortunately,
I
was
out
of
town
on
vacation,
but
our
development
team
is
present
here
and
can
speak
on
behalf
of
that
presentation
and
meeting
and
then
obviously
can
can
speak
more
to
the
dollar
revenue
perspective
of
what
this
development
will
bring.
The
city.
M
In
addition
to
that,
we're
anticipating
that
all
of
the
residents
in
these
buildings
will
also
partake
in
commerce
in
the
general
area,
we're
assuming
that
they
will
some
some
of
the
residents
will
work,
live
play,
work
from
home,
take
part
in
the
hybrid
working
scenario
also
that
they
will.
You
know,
support
the
retail
on
the
first
floor,
where
we're,
assuming
that
uber
eats
door
dash
ride,
share.
All
of
these
will
also
deliver
to
these
buildings
and
further
enhance
the
local
economy.
M
Also,
there's
one
more
item
that
I
want
to
add
regarding
the
parking
scenario
we
are
going
to
provide
one
electric
vehicle
charging
stations.
We
feel
that
that's
important.
We
embrace
that
for
for
all
of
our
facilities
and
also
we,
we
install
additional
conduits
additional
spaces
for
the
to
install
additional
chargers
as
the
demand
grows.
M
In
addition,
we
are
installing
a
similar
system
to
zipcar
zipcar
is
a
ride.
Share
it's
an
app
where
there
would
be
cars
parked
in
our
parking
lot
in.
You
know
two
to
three
spaces
where
all
the
residents
can
actually
go
down
there
with
the
app
you
know,
unlock
the
cars
and
drive
them
to
go,
do
their
little
errands
and
come
back,
which
further
reduces
the
need
for
them
to
spend
money
on
vehicles
and
reduces
the
the
potential
to
have
two
vehicles
in
that
facility.
L
L
The
intention,
if
it
goes
to
a
full
street
vacation
that
we
would
offer
the
same
easement
rights
and
access
rights
that
are
on
christmas
tree
plaza
in
other
areas.
Again,
it's
intended
to
be.
If
we
do
take,
you
know,
decide
to
pursue,
taking
it
and
in
in
a
permanent
setting.
It
would
be
done
in
a
manner
that
would
allow
and
dedicate
public
access
to
and
use.
J
L
L
Hopefully
we
can
expedite
those
reviews
and
help
pick
up
time.
It's
our
hope
that
we
could
be
under
construction.
You
know
early
part
of
the
year
and
then
this
there's
been
some
comments
to
help
clarify
too
some
people
asked
about
phasing.
I
know
I
didn't
bring
that
up.
The
project
is
not
intended
to
be
phased,
it's
intended
to
be
sequenced
and
what
that
means
in
construction.
Is
you
start
on
one
building
and
work
the
way
around
and
have
a
two
month
or
three
month
stagger?
L
Building
e
is
a
for
sale,
condo
unit
and,
if
anybody's
in
the
financial
world
understands
that
the
a
condo
for
sale
product
requires
usually
a
substantial
amount
of
pre-sales
to
be
able
to
break
ground
and
close
on
financing.
So
I
do
anticipate
that
building
e
will
will
fall.
You
know
behind
the
rest
of
the
schedule.
J
J
J
Occupants,
those
are
those
are
supposed
to
be
the
workers.
What
if
what
is
the
age,
income
level
and
occupation,
demographics
that
you
presumed
for
this
development?
In
other
words,
are
you
going
to
have
a
majority
of
hospitality
workers?
Do
you
expect
a
mix
of
hospitality
workers
and
health
care
workers?
Do
you
expect
most
of
these
to
be
public
service
employees?
J
L
L
J
L
J
L
J
One
more
with
regard
to
the
traffic
impact.
I
know
I've
tried
to
wade
my
way
through
these
traffic
studies
and
frankly
they
just
I
just
my
eyes
glaze
over,
because
I
can't
understand
half
of
what
they're
talking
about.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
a
simple
question
with
regards
to
the
traffic:
will
the
proposed
pd
make
traffic
in
the
downtown,
and
this
is
a
multiple
choice,
better,
the
same
worse
or
much
worse,.
M
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
christopher
hatton,
I'm
a
registered
professional
traffic
engineer
with
kimberly
horne
associates.
I
did
conduct
the
traffic
study
with
our
project
team.
I
would
love
to
give
you
an
a
b
c
or
d
answer.
Unfortunately,
again,
the
traffic
studies
that
we
do
do
not
just
come
with
that,
because
there
is
no
just
check
the
box.
I
will
say
that
a
detailed
evaluation
that
was
begun
and
discussed
with
city
staff,
as
well
as
with
fdot
staff,
was
conducted.
M
L
I
Okay,
obviously
we're
all
in
favor
aye,
okay
moving
forward.
So
if
you
have
a
comment,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
address,
and
that
you
have
been
sworn
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
start
off
real
quick.
I
did
and
please,
given
the
number
of
people
who
I
think
are
gonna
want
to
speak,
try
not
to
repeat
what
others
have
already
stated:
donna
we
do
have
time.
F
Okay,
so
anyone
who
has
not
been
sworn
in
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
all
right.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
firm
to
tell
the
truth?
The
whole
truth
enough
about
the
truth,
today's
proceedings,
okay,
when
you're
ready
to
speak,
please
step
to
the
podium
and
state
your
name
and
indicate
you've
been
sworn.
Thank
you.
M
M
This
proposal
is
wrong
for
our
downtown
in
so
many
ways.
I
can't
it's
hard
to
even
describe
the
residents
of
this
city
have
overwhelmingly
stated
over
and
over
and
over
again
that
they
did
not
want
height
and
multiple
buildings,
there's
a
difference
between
the
y
burn
and
five
buildings
in
our
downtown.
M
The
first
proposal
for
that
property
was
made
in
2008
and
there
have
been
several
since
and
each
time
it's
outpouring,
as
you
see
of
people
here
to
say
no
and
have
expressed
that
view
at
every
public,
charet
and
workshop.
That's
happened
since
hurricane
charley.
This
is
nothing
new.
We
just
seem
to
be
here
doing
it
again.
M
M
M
I
don't
know
what
the
property
price
tag
was
for
this
deal,
but
for
years,
all
my
years,
all
we
heard
from
developers
was
just
what
he
said.
We
can't
build
for
the
price
that
we
have
to
buy
the
property.
Unless
we
go
up
well
instead
of
going
up,
maybe
we
should
send
a
very
strong
message
to
the
property
owner
that
says
you
need
to
lower
your
price,
so
you
can
have
a
developer,
build
what
we
want.
F
F
F
I
did
some
calculations
with
my
engineer
and
just
stripped
out
the
two
streets
marion
and
down
taylor
and
there's
room
for
about
75
000
square
feet
of
retail
there.
Unfortunately,
the
way
they've
designed
their
buildings,
most
of
it,
is
parking
and
then
the
way
I'm
understanding
this.
If
I'm
understanding
it
correctly,
all
the
way
down
taylor,
that's
all
parking
with
buildings
built
over
parking.
F
So
there's
not
really
going
to
be
all
this
synergy.
They're
talking
about,
I
mean
what
are
the
people
going
to
do?
Where
are
the
restaurants?
You
know
what
you
know.
Office
product
is
great.
That
just
drives
a
few
more
people
to
add
to
their
already
400
units,
but
it
doesn't
give
anyone
anywhere
to
go
to
enjoy
our
downtown.
F
I
guess
they
have
retail
along
marion.
I
don't
know
how
many
thousand
square
feet
that
is,
this
hasn't
been
broken
out
as
to
office,
slash
retail,
but
even
if
half
of
it
was
office
that
leaves
15
000
feet
of
retail
sounds
like
a
big
number.
It's
really
it's!
Really!
It's
not
suitable,
for
this
is
a
the.
This
is
the
most
important
piece
of
property
in
downtown
punta
gorda.
This
is
our
downtown,
so
we
need
to
build
a
town.
F
You
know
what
got
400
residents.
I
mean
400
residents
there.
Where
are
they
going
to
go?
I
mean
how
many
we
going
to
get
two
restaurants
and
we're
going
to?
Are
we
going
to
have
a
hair
salon?
You
know
what
are
we
going
to
have
to
offer
all
of
these
people
because
there
isn't
much
down
there
now
in
this
regard,
thanks.
I
A
D
Wendy
mueller
punta
gorda
and
I
have
been
sworn
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
marketplace
lot
being
an
eyesore.
This
proposed
project
makes
me
believe
that
this
will
be
an
eyesore
for
a
very
long
time.
If
we
give
in
to
the
anything,
is
better
than
nothing
attitude
that
our
very
tired
community
is
endured
will
regret
our
decisions
in
the
future.
D
84
units
are
acceptable
and
perhaps
should
be
increased,
but
how
much
certainly
not
compared
to
the
406
units
proposed,
so
a
beautiful
city
with
an
empty
lot
that
has
such
potential
have
more
creative
planning
and
appeal.
Let's
get
it
building
heights
vary,
but
the
key
to
the
plan
is
on
page
five
4.1.1.11.
D
Basically,
50
percent
increase
in
height
is
a
dramatic
increase.
50
feet
with
50
percent
is
75.
Think
about
that
plus
the
base
flood
level
of
anywhere
from
6
to
12
feet
and
15
percent
rooftop
engineering
you've
got
to
max
it.
Otherwise,
my
calculations
from
the
74.2
could
be
86.,
66
could
be
78,
52
could
be
64.,
71
could
be
84.
D
D
D
D
D
I
F
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
my
name
is
sushila
cherian
and
I've
lived
in
ponegorda
isles
for
close
to
39
years
as
very
much
a
lay
person.
I
am
against
this
project.
The
way
it
is
delineated
from
the
drawing
it
appears
to
me
to
be
a
dense,
destructive
project
with
not
an
iota
of
aesthetic
or
architectural
appeal,
certainly
not
the
way
it
has
been
presented.
F
I
always
thought
that
variances
were
an
exception
rather
than
a
rule.
It
appears
to
be
the
rule
these
days,
based
on
the
design
standards,
apparently
in
adequate
parking
and
unnecessarily
excessive
density.
I
feel
the
present
proposed
project
should
not
be
approved
most
of
us
in
this
city.
We
do
have
alternate
toned
down
suggestions,
and
certainly
especially
after
viewing
the
proposed
shaheen
development,
which
is
truly
an
imaginative
breath
of
fresh
air.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
C
C
C
I
F
F
It
has
to
be
because
there
is
no
way
this
company
can
come
in,
build
this
beautiful
project
and
I
could
see
people
living
in
there.
I
could
see
people
instead
of
having
to
go
to
an
assisted
living
and
live
in
800
to
1200
square
feet.
They
could
come
there
and
live,
they
could
go
downstairs
and
have
their
breakfast.
They
could
sit
around,
they
could
do
whatever
and
they
won't
need
a
car,
because
a
lot
of
them
can't
have
a
car
and
then
there's
going
to
be
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
business.
F
People
who
are
there
and
they're
going
to
need
to
have
things
to
do,
go
downstairs
whatever
work,
whether
they're
working
but
yes
punta
gorda,
does
need
to
fill
that
lot
and
how
is
it
going
to
happen?
Maybe
this
wonderful
company
who's
willing
to
buy
the
lot,
can
downsize
it
and
work
with
us
and
definitely
the
owner
who's
selling.
The
lot
definitely
needs
to
bring
the
price
down,
and
I
have
seen
what
happened
to
this
city
from
charlie
and
I'm
back.
F
My
home
was
totaled
in
charlie
and
now
I'm
back
here
and
I
love
it,
and
I
want
to
see
it
progress.
I
don't
want
us
to
have
our
taxes
raised.
I
do
not
want
to
see
that
lot
go
to
waste
and
I
guarantee
you
the
other
project.
The
saline
project
is
probably
a
lot
less
money
to
build
and
to
buy
that
property
than
what
is
being
presented
on
marketplace.
F
My
name
is
norah
geordina,
I'm
a
full-time
resident
here
in
punta
gorda
isles.
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
what
has
already
been
said,
but
I
do
concur
with
all
of
their
the
feedback.
We
did
hear
something
about
the
increase
of
revenue
to
the
city
with
the
taxes
that
would
be
coming
in,
but
didn't
really
hear.
How
is
that
going
to
impact
our
schools?
Some
of
the
units
are
two
bedrooms.
F
Presumably
there
will
be
students
impacting
our
schools,
the
increase
we'll
need
to
spend
on
our
police
and
fire
department
in
order
to
support
that
building,
as
well
as
the
elevation.
How
will
that
tax
and
change
our
fire
department's
ability
to
fight
a
fire
in
a
building
of
that
height
being
from
the
north
up
in
new
york,
new
jersey,
it's
a
very
different
world
when
you're
fighting
fires
in
that
height
building.
F
I
really
wanted
to
speak
on
the
parking
406
residential
units
that
don't
include
a
landscape
buffer
for
10
cars,
which
I
thought
was
a
requirement
here
in
punta
gorda.
Your
lots
will
be
gated,
so
there
will
be
no
parking
if
you
go
to
frequent
the
commercial
businesses,
whether
they
were
the
offices
or
the
stores.
I
didn't
hear
any
ability
to
increase
parking
for
that.
F
We're,
certainly
not
looking
for
you
to
fix
our
parking
problem,
those
that
live
here
full
time
and
kind
of
avoid
downtown
in
season
because
of
the
parking
we
just
don't
want
it
to
get
any
worse
because
of
this
project,
tenants
that
are
living
there.
Even
if
we
we
go
by
the
the
disneyland
approach
of
one
car
per
unit
with
400
cars,
tenants
hire
cleaning
people,
repair,
people,
dog,
walkers,
etc.
F
Where
do
those
people
park,
cars
belonging
to
commercial
business,
visitors
and
the
commercial
business
workers,
the
delivery
vehicles
for
those
businesses,
as
well
as
delivery
vehicles
for
the
apartments,
furniture,
delivery,
etc?
How
many
of
us
have
about
30,
amazon,
fedex
trucks
come
up
and
down
our
street
every
day,
406
people
getting
fedex
and
amazon
packages
every
day.
Where
will
they
be
parking
not
to
mention
you
brought
up
ubereats
and
doordash
as
a
positive
five
o'clock
at
night
six
o'clock
at
night,
there's
a
ton
of
ubereats
and
doordashes
going
up
and
down
the
streets
here?
F
Where
are
they
going
to
park
for
406
people
that
might
be
ordering
food?
The
snowbirds
leave
you're,
anticipating
some
of
our
residents
being
snowbirds,
most
snowbirds.
I
know
leave
their
car
here,
so
they'll
be
sitting
in
the
parking
lot
and
many
snowbirds
also
airbnb
their
home
when
they're
not
here,
therefore,
those
people
will
have
cars
in
addition
to
the
snowbirds
car
remaining
there
I
have
guests
come
over
for
dinner.
I
have
family
come
down
and
spend
time
and
they
bring
their.
F
F
F
I
would
hate
the
idea
of
having
400
more
cars,
especially
how
are
you
going
to
accommodate
the
people
coming
from
the
sun
seeker
resort
on
top
of
all
that?
It's
just
it
just
kind
of
doesn't
compute
with
me.
If
there
would
be
any
way,
I
don't
even
really
care
for
the
style,
the
buildings.
I
don't
really
think
it
goes
with
the
city
personally,
but
to
me
when
I
look
at
this
rendering
it's
like
fort
lauderdale
hollywood
coming
to
punta
gorda,
all
the
reason
that
we
moved
away
from
here
from
there.
F
Hello,
my
name
is
debbie
cooder,
I've
been
sworn
in
and
I
was
just
wondering
our
public
parking
garage
who's
going
to
protect.
That,
like
is
that
for
the
businesses
that
are
already
here
or
are
their
visitors
going
to
take
over
the
whole
public
parking
structure.
You
know
we
have
to
make
sure
that
that's
evenly
balanced
between
the
businesses,
don't
we
and
for
the
poor,
puna
guardians.
F
F
F
I
F
I
A
F
Yeah
you're
welcome
just
a
few
stits
stats.
Sorry
cleveland's
population
is
three
hundred
and
eighty
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
one
puna
gorda
is
twenty
thousand
and
forty
four.
So
let's
just
don't
compare
the
two
anymore.
We're
done
with
that,
and
you
said
at
the
very
beginning
we're
going
to
have
to
live
with
with
it.
Well,
I
don't
want
to
live
with
it
down
here,
as
everybody
else
has
alluded
to.
The
other
thing
I
am
glad
that
was
mentioned.
I
K
C
C
K
F
F
Hi,
I'm
daddy
vivoda.
I
have
owned
property
in
ponegorda
since
2001..
I
have
lived
here
since
2006..
I
also
own
a
business,
so
I
work
and
live
in
panagorda.
It's
really
sad
to
see
that
I
think
it
is
appalling
to
think
that
our
beautiful
marketplace
property
is
going
to
turn
into
something.
That
looks
like
that.
F
It
looks
like
I've
heard
people
in
my
neighborhood
say
that
it
looks
like
a
barracks
another
gentleman
over
here
on
the
commission
mentioned
about
cantilever
balconies.
That's
all
you
have
when
I
have
a
friend
of
mine
who
gave
me
this
and
when
I
looked
at
it.
The
first
thing
I
said
is:
oh
that's
fifth
avenue
in
naples.
We've
all
probably
been
to
nables
and
it's
gorgeous.
F
It's
not
five
stories.
It's
not
70
feet,
but
when
I
first
looked
at
it,
I
was
under
the
impression
that
oh
this
is
what
we're
gonna
get
in
the
marketplace.
It's
not
it's.
I
almost
felt
like
it
was
a
bait
and
switch
it.
I
look
at
these
pictures
and
they're
beautiful,
but
yes,
there's
one
of
cleveland
ohio.
Yes,
there's
people
on
bicycles.
F
F
I
think
that
our
population
is
increasing.
I
know
cleveland's
population
is
decreasing,
there's
no
walking
paths
on
the
outside
of
your
cluster
of
buildings.
There's
only
walking
paths
on
the
inside
there's
no
amenities
on
the
outside,
so
everyone
has
to
come
in
to
that
inside
area
to
enjoy
any
of
those
amenities
and
honestly
after
I
look
at
this-
and
I
see
that
it's
going
to
look
like
a
barracks,
I
can't
even
imagine
what
it's
going
to
look
like
inside.
So
I'm
thoroughly
disappointed.
F
F
M
M
Well,
something
worked
something
out.
I
mean
these
guys,
I
think,
have
presented
a
pretty
good
thing,
as
one
of
the
other
ladies
alluded
to,
I
think
we've
got
to
go
forward
with
something
otherwise
you'll
end
up
with
a
vacuum
piece
of
property,
and
I
can
tell
you
for
people
that
were
not
here
in
1970
downtown
punta
gorda
was
not
a
nice
place,
it
was
not
a.
It
was
not
what
it
is
today.
It
was
a
seedy
district,
the
realtors
actually
avoided
taking
people
through
downtown
punta
gorda,
and
I'm
afraid
that
could
happen
again.
M
M
K
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
jeff
wilson.
I
have
been
sworn.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
giving
us
all
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this.
I
moved
here
seven
months
ago
from
phoenix
arizona.
This
is
an
absolutely
beautiful
project
for
phoenix
arizona.
It
is
not
why
I
moved
to
pontegorta
and
kudos
to
you
guys.
It
is
a
gorgeous
project.
I've
been
in
real
estate
and
in
development.
K
K
K
We
already
have
trouble
downtown
with
parking,
because
when
you
go
downtown
on
the
weekends
or
out
to
dinner,
you
can't
park
anywhere
because
the
parking's
already
taken
yes,
this
won't
fix
the
parking.
It's
not
going
to
make
it
any
better
either,
because
those
406
units
will
take
up
every
single
parking
lot
spot
in
this
city.
K
On
top
of
that,
you've
got
weekend
events
virtually
every
weekend
and
right
now,
people
take
advantage
of
the
vacant
lots
to
park.
Where
do
they
suspect
that
those
people
are
going
to
park
in
the
future?
We
get
probably
anywhere
from
two
to
five
hundred
cars.
Almost
every
weekend
parking
in
those
lots
should
they
fix
that
not
necessarily,
but
taking
out
one
building
and
building
a
parking
garage
with
aesthetics
might
be.
K
A
big
issue
might
be
a
big
changer,
which
would
be
perpetually
a
public
parking
lot,
but
that's
an
idea
which
I
highly
doubt
would
be
even
feasible
financially
so
from
the
bottom
line.
Bottom
of
my
heart,
moving
here
from
phoenix
arizona
was
intentional.
Yes,
I
went
from
an
oven
to
asana,
but
I
love
it.
K
You
know,
and
I
think
that
that
the
the
reason
I
moved
here
was
because
of
what
I
saw
when
I
drove
through
here
last
christmas
and
new
year's,
and
I
fell
in
love
with
this.
I
had
no
intention
of
moving
and
I
sold
everything
and
moved
here,
because
I
saw
this
keep
it
that
way.
Please.
This
is
a
great
project
for
a
major
city,
not
for
punta
gorda.
C
C
This
is
so
very
very
far
from
the
end
result
that
will
unintendedly
become.
I
want
you
to
take
and
indulge
me
please.
I
want
you
to
take
just
just
a
couple
of
moments
now
or
later
and
visualize
what
the
current
parking
and
traffic
flow
is
like
here
during
the
high
tourist
season
or
what
we
commonly
call
the
rainy
season
now
add
to
that
the
number
of
additional
cars-
and
what
do
you
think
that's
going
to
do
to
that
now?
C
C
C
F
Mona
vareg
and
I
have
been
sworn,
I
feel
very
privileged
to
be
able
to
live
in
pontegorda,
the
gem
of
a
town.
If
you
would
even
think
of
approving
this
monstrosity,
it
will
change
the
complexion
forever
and
we
can
never
get
it
back.
It
might
be
wonderful
for
a
big
city,
but
not
for
here.
Pontegorda
is
becoming
more
of
a
rental
city
airbnbs.
F
F
I
was
born
and
bred
in
charleston
south
carolina
all
my
life.
I
said
I
will
never
move,
but
guess
what
happened
to
charleston?
What
happened
here?
Charleston
became
overdeveloped
infrastructure
became
totally
inadequate.
My
husband
and
I
searched
and
searched.
We
found
beautiful,
charming,
quaint
punta
gorda.
We
moved
here.
My
worst
nightmare
has
followed
me.
I
understand
geiss
thinks
it's
wonderful
for
the
big
cities
in
ohio,
it's
not
apples
and
apples.
F
F
F
C
C
Proudly
sworn
thank
you
how's
the
light
coming.
Yes,
I've
been
sworn
in.
Thank
you.
So
you
know
a
couple
things.
I
moved
here,
not
unlike
the
gentleman
from
phoenix
and
you
know
no
disrespect
to
the
guys
people
they
pulled
at
our
heartstrings.
Although
my
name
is
o'reilly,
I
was
raised
by
purebred
german
grandparents.
So
thanks
for
the
german
salutation,
when
you
were
starting,
they
pulled
at
our
heartstrings.
They
talked
about
challenges.
I've
been
licensed
in
real
estate
for
22
years.
C
I
know,
there's
challenges
everything
they
said
they
do
is
a
revenue
stream
and
you
know
that
they
get
paid
seven
ways
on
this
property
ongoing.
So
that's
important,
but
I
was
paying
attention
in
mr
gamblin,
you
you
were
the
first
one
to
address
the
the
parking
issue
and
I'm
telling
you
we're
empty
nesters.
You
guys
would
be
proud.
C
They
that's
exactly
why
we
came
here.
You
know
what
I
I
moved
to
get
away
from
this
mrs
kelly
thorne.
Is
that
correct?
You
would
out,
you
know,
talked
about
six
3048
square
feet
that
I
think
the
answer
that
we
that
the
citizens
are
going
to
get
in
return
is
an
easement,
but
that
was
give
or
take,
and
maybe
reciprocal
if
we're
lucky.
C
So
we
never
got
a
straight
answer
on
that.
One
make
shifts
that.
That's
that
there's
no
guarantee
of
any
of
that
happening
and
according
to
the
math
that
they
laid
out.
That's
60
condos,
that's
60,
permanent
citizens,
paying
taxes
here
for
everybody
else,
who's
a
rental.
If
you've
ever
lived
in
a
big
city
with
high-rise
buildings,
they
can
fly
their
freak
flag
any
way
they
want.
There's
going
to
be
flags
signs
things
in
the
windows,
everything
that
they
talked
about;
that's,
that
is
that
aesthetic
is
not.
C
I
M
I
F
D
M
My
name's
bob
fritz
I
live
in
bsi,
been
a
taxpayer
in
punta
gorda
since
1987..
This
is
a
disaster.
Okay
parking,
especially
let's
just
say,
75
of
the
residents,
have
two
cars:
that's
going
to
be
300
cars.
Looking
for
a
space
to
park
outside
all
the
parking
on
marion,
all
the
parking
on
taylor,
all
the
parking
on
harbor
side,
all
the
parking
on
sullivan,
all
the
parking
in
the
city
hall
lot.
All
the
parking
in
lashley,
marina
and
lashley
park
are
going
to
be
taking
up
by
these
residents.
M
M
Okay,
not
too
long
ago,
maybe
10
12
years
ago,
the
city
bought
that
land
from
the
owner
of
the
property,
and
I
think
the
price
was
1.2
million
dollars.
Okay,
then
we
had
the
improvements
to
construct
the
road
and,
if
and
now,
you're
going
to
give
it
away
just
a
vacation
for
nothing.
No
money,
no
parking.
M
M
If
that
doesn't
work,
that's
the
way
it
goes,
but
why
destroy
all
the
other
businesses
in
the
city
for
this
because
we'll
have
no
parking
spaces
at
all
and
if
somebody
thinks
that
reda
41
intersection
is
bad,
try
coming
out
of
harbor
side
and
going
north
on
41.
and
that's
where
all
the
people
from
the
event
center
are
going
to
have
to
go.
Are
they
going
up
and
around
it's
awful?
A
F
F
K
C
C
C
I
I
B
H
H
You
certainly
have
opportunity
to
question
the
applicant
if
you
have
any
further
questions
that
you
would
like
to
have
a
place
in
the
record
and
at
the
appropriate
time
before,
a
motion
is
considered.
I'd
like
to
give
you
some
input
with
respect
to
your
options
prior
to
the
making
of
the
of
the
motion,
so
no
rebuttal,
then
you
can
go
into
questions.
No
questions
then
give
me
a
moment
to
hear
your
options.
B
B
I
G
I
B
B
Looking
at
the
future
of
of
the
area
of
which
you
said,
you
did
indicate
quite
a
bit
of
spending
time
here
and
seeing
what's
happening
and
other
activities
between
sunseeker
jones
loop,
tucker's
grade
fisherman's
village,
9000
residents
on
burn
star
road.
Do
you
think
that
two
percent
is
adequate
growth
for
the
estimate.
M
B
The
other
question
I
had-
and
I
think
this
is
has
been
touched
by
by
someone
here
today
and
that's
the
land
swap
of
course,
is
not
a
land
swap.
What
was
the
problem
of
titling?
That
area
that's
called
kind
of
the
christmas
tree
corner
versus
easement
associated
with
it,
I'm
not
sure
who
to
direct
the
question
to.
K
B
K
E
You
I
have
one
other
question.
I
guess,
since
you've
heard
both
sides,
you
know,
of
course,
puna
gorda
wants
to
have
development.
Is
there
any
option
that
you
would
develop
like
block
b
as
a
phased
approach?
With
the
you
know,
meeting
the
height
requirements
and
maybe
the
storefront
area
of
west
or
marion
street?
L
L
It's
that
this
development,
this
design
density,
interaction,
mixed-use,
you
know
component
it
all
nestles
together
and
is
interwoven
and
it's
the
best
opportunity
to
make
a
project
viable
on
the
site,
given
the
restrictions
of
it.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
on
you
know
other
buildings
on
this.
You
know
around
the
area
and
there's
one
single
building.
Well,
the
reality
is
that
one
single
building
is
on
one
third
of
one
of
those
blocks
right.
L
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
a
full
development,
be
on
two
city
blocks,
and
so
that's
why
there's
multiple
buildings
to
create
that?
But
to
answer
the
question
directly,
the
whole
project
needs
to
be
able
to
proceed
to
be
able
to
be
financially
they're.
All
intertwined
parking
is
all
required
in
intertwined.
There's
not
you
know,
there's
no
dedicated
parking
for
building
a's
residences
versus
building
c's
and
d's
residents.
It's
it's!
The
whole
project's
parking
so.
H
You
will
recall
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
today
I
read
some
portions
from
the
resolution
regarding
quasi-judicial
procedures
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
said.
One
of
the
last
things
I
said
was
with
respect
to
the
decision
and
I'll
read
that
again,
particularly
in
the
last
sentence
of
that
says,
applicable
criteria
must
be
discussed
on
the
record
to
support
the
ultimate
decision.
H
H
If
you
were
to
want
to
make
the
determination-
which
is
your
task
here
as
the
as
the
planning
agency
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
it's
your
responsibility
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
council
whether
or
not
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
If
you
were
to
determine
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
Your
task
is
relatively
easy
and
you
vote
to
approve
the
the
staff
report
and
recommendation
finding
consistency.
H
If
your
determination
is
that,
based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony,
that's
been
presented
today,
that
you
feel
that
it
is
not
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
it
is
highly
recommended
that
you
identify
for
the
record
those
portions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
you
found
not
to
be
consistent
as
a
starting
point.
You
might
use
the
criteria
that
is
identified
in
the
staff
reports
and
recommendation
that
identifies
those
particular
provisions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
were
considered.
H
C
H
Well,
if
it's
not
competent
meaning
if
it's
simply
opinion
testimony
that
doesn't
really
go
to
the
criteria
and
there's
no
there's.
No,
you
determine
there's
no
basis
for
that
opinion.
Then
you
give
it
the
weight
to
which
it's,
which
it
would
be
due,
but
this,
and
just
as
as
a
as
a
very
important
statement
that
isn't,
is
required
to
be
made
in
any
type
of
rezoning
and
that's
what
this
is
rezoning,
because
it
is
quasi-judicial.
H
The
decision
must
be
based
on
competent,
substantial
evidence,
a
polling
of
the
community,
even
if
well
represented
against
a
project
because
they
don't
like
it
or
not.
In
favor
of
it
is
not
competent,
substantial
evidence,
but
you
can
take.
As
I
said,
whatever
comments
were
made
that
fit
into
that
category
and
can
be
used
as
a
basis
for
a
finding
with
respect
to
the
criteria.
J
J
Now
that
means
that
it's
in
co,
it's
an
agreement
with
a
comprehensive
plan,
because
the
city
council
has
this
final
approval
authority
with
regard
to
density
and
height.
Does
that
mean
that
the
commission
has
to
agree
with
the
densities
and
heights
that
are
being
proposed
as
part
of
this
development.
H
I
think
staff
took
the
position
and,
and
mentioned
mentioned
the
criteria.
I
don't
know
that
they
spent
much
time
talking
about
it,
but
but
staff
did
testify
that,
based
on
their
review
that
the
applicant
did
satisfy
the
criteria
that
would
entitle
them
to
relief
from
the
height
and
would
entitle
them
to
relief
from
the
density.
H
Ultimately,
though,
that
would
be
a
determination
to
be
made
by
the
city
council
and
that-
and
I
think
I'll
leave
it
at
that-
I
mean
you
can
make
you
can
you?
Can
you
can
make
your
decision
and
leave
it
again
up
to
the
city
council
with
respect
to
that
criteria,
or
if
you
find
that
that
criteria
hasn't
been
satisfied.
J
H
Okay,
if,
if,
as
I
said
in
order
to
get
the
bonus
density
and
the
bonus
height,
there
is
criteria
that
has
to
be
satisfied
to
entitle
them
to
even
consideration
of
that.
If
you
feel
like
that,
that
criteria
has
not
been
satisfied
based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony,
then
you
can
say
that
you
find
that
the
criteria
has
not
been
satisfied
and
that
the
bonus
height
and
or
the
bonus
density
should
not
be
recommended
for
approval.
A
Lisa
han
zoning
official
have
been
sworn
so
in
our
staff
report
under
finding
number
one.
The
second
paragraph
staff
finds
the
applicant
meets
the
required
criteria
outlined
in
chapter
26,
article
5,
section
5.5,
parent
b,
the
pomodo
code
and
the
city
of
pungorda
2040,
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
element
policy,
1.1.14.2,
point
c
for
the
request
for
additional
residential
density
for
the
plan.
Development
staff
finds
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
this
policy.
G
A
B
I
guess,
while
we're
waiting
to
make
a
comment
to
the
rest
of
the
world
when
we're
talking
density
bonuses,
we're
talking
500
percent
so
and
yet
there
is
no
apparently
upper
limit.
But
reasonableness
says
that
you
know
if
the
flu
say:
50
could
be
granted
we're
talking.
500
so
again
put
that
factor
that.
C
As
we're
doing
process,
let
me
kind
of
piggyback
on
on
mr
goldberg's
thing,
we're
here
for
a
purpose
to
render
advice,
a
recommendation,
we're
not
here
to
make
a
decision.
Okay,
the
staff
has
already
reviewed
this.
The
staff
has
said:
if
it
meets
these
criteria,
then
it
meets
the
criteria
for
us
recommending
advancement
to
the
city
council
for
decision.
That's
what
we're
doing
we're
not
saying
the
city
council
should
approve
it
or
not,
approve
it.
We're
advancing
it
to
the
city
council
as
the
decision-making
body
for
their
decision
and.
C
That's
that's
kind
of
our
job,
we're
just
moving
it
to
the
city
council,
as
as,
as
the
you
know,
the
developers
come
into
the
city
with
a
proposal
that
goes
through
the
process
through
drc
through
all
the
others.
There's
this
move,
and
then
it's
still
going
to
go
on,
because
this
is
still
you
know.
We
have
not
got
to
the
end
of
this.
Yet
there's
more
to
go.
G
E
E
So
from
my
standpoint,
that's
one
reason
why
I
would
say
it
doesn't
meet
the
requirements.
The
second
reason
is,
I
would
like
more
clarification
on.
I
think
there
was
an
open
space
that
was
talked
about,
but
I'm
not
really
clear
on
how
that
open
space
is
really
a
benefit
to
the
community,
because
I
don't
see
it.
I
I
see
that
as
a
swap
and
then
the
reduction
of
parking
as
a
negative
and
the
reduction
of
via
esplanade
street,
you
know
being
able
to
access
that
as
a
reduction.
K
K
G
E
G
E
Okay,
my
only
point
was
a
parking
place
by
engineering.
Standards
is
eight
feet
by
sixteen,
even
for
a
compact,
so
it
doesn't
meet
so
one
parking
place
is
one
parking
place.
One
compact
place
is
one
compact
place:
we've
already
reduced
from
full
spaces
to
compact
spaces,
which
don't
even
meet
the
criteria
under
engineering
standards.
G
G
The
sun,
the
sunrise
center,
has
has
parking.
Also.
I
don't
know
that
many
people
utilize
it.
Yes,
it's
a
it's
a
pre-paid
parking,
but
it
is
additional
parking
and
the
city
has
done
an
excellent
job
of
providing
additional
public
parking
at
the
city
hall.
Parking
garage
parking
lot
places
like
that.
G
G
G
B
Okay,
may
I
focus
this
on
the
staff
report.
Finding
number
one
excuse
me
for
jumping
in
here,
because
I
think
we're
wanting
to
look
at
the
recommendations
from
the
staff
report
and
do
they
validate
the
requirements
for
it.
So
I'm
reading
one
of
the
paragraphs
concerning
density
to
meet
the
criteria
to
increase
density,
at
least
25
percent
of
the
project
must
be
commercial.
G
G
5.5
residential
density
limits
in
order
to
approve
the
additional
bonus
density.
The
city
council
in
his
sole
discretion,
must
find
that
proposed
development
plan
offers
additional
development
benefits
to
the
public
health
safety
and
welfare
by
providing
one
or
more
of
the
following
development
benefits,
benefit
c
designed
and
makes
a
substantial
contribution
to
the
traditional
character
of
the
downtown,
including
compact,
pedestrian,
oriental
development
mix,
use
grid
street
patterns,
use
of
side,
loading,
rear
loading
garages,
front,
porches,
mixtures,
housing,
residential
units
above
retail
and
commercial
offices
and
traditional
architecture,
building
materials.
B
Again,
we
were,
it
was
suggested
to
reflect
back
on
the
staff
report
and
looking
what
they're
coming
what
they
have
identified
now.
Was
there
something
wrong
when
I
read
that
statement
or
other
paragraph
to
meet
the
criteria
to
increase
density?
At
least
25
percent
of
the
project
must
be
commercial.
A
A
If
you'd
like
me
to
repeat
it
since
everybody's
talking
in
the
audience,
sir
staff
did
a
calculation.
We
came
up
on
this
in
the
when
we
were
doing
all
of
our
studies
for
the
staff
report
and
including
all
the
retail
office
space,
the
outdoor
dining
opportunities,
the
german
market
area
and
the
red
experience,
which
is
going
to
be
commercial
with
outdoor
dining
entertainment,
commercial
opportunities.
B
E
A
C
So
we
appear
to
be
getting
into
the
realm
of
speculation
and
considerably
off
topic
in
terms
of
what
we're
here
to
do,
and
what
we're
here
to
do
is
vote
on
a
resolution.
If
you
disagree
with
the
staff
report,
you
can
vote
may
on
the
resolution
yeah.
If
you
agree
with
the
staff
report,
as
it
reads,
you
can
vote
in
the
affirmative
on
the
resolution
as
opposed
to
quibbling
and
trying
to
go
through
and
questioning
the
sources
and
what
has
taken
months
and
months
for
people
to
research.
C
N
B
C
We
have
specific
language
we
use
when
making
a
resolution
as
prescribed
in
code,
and
I
believe
in
law
and
that's
others
other
you
know.
City
council
doesn't
have
to
use
it,
but
we
have
to
use
it
and
it
is
prescribed
language
and
that's
what
we
do
and-
and
we
can
add
with
conditions-
and
I
believe
that
the
staff
has
already
listed
a
number
of
conditions.
That
would
be
part
and
parcel
to
a
recommendation.
H
That
would
be
one
form
of
an
appropriate
motion.
If
your.
If
your
motion
would
be
to
deny
the
request
based
upon
failure
of
the
applicant
to
present
competent
and
substantial
evidence,
or
if
you
heard
other
competent,
substantial
evidence
that
would
give
you
the
opportunity
to
conclude
that
the
applicant
has
not
demonstrated
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
then
I
indicated
that
it
would
be
beneficial
for
the
record
for
you
to
identify
which
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan
you
felt
were
not
satisfied
to
justify
finding
that
it
is
inconsistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
G
C
E
K
K
B
I
F
Okay,
this
is
being
recorded
and
we
have
meeting
procedures
and
if
people
continue
to
speak
from
the
audience
they
can
be
asked
to
leave,
because
we
really
need
to
get
this
meeting
going.
We
need
to
know
the
results
and
we
need
to
hear.
We
need
to
be
unbiased
and
hear
hear
what
they
have
to
say.
Please.
B
B
I
I
A
J
J
The
issue
is
whether
this
development
meets
those
requirements
and
those
goals,
and
that
is
why
I
voted
against
approval,
because
I
don't
believe
this
development
meets
those
goals
and
the
criteria
that
they
did
meet
does
not
amount
to
the
weight,
that's
equivalent
to
the
massive
increase
in
density
that
is
being
proposed
for
this
development.
Okay,.