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Punta Gorda Isles Canal Advisory Committee Meeting 06-20-2022
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Just
for
the
record,
we
agreed
last
month
to
cancel
the
july
meeting,
so
don't
come.
We
won't
be
here
the
meeting
after
that
is
august
15th
that
will
not
be
here
but
will
be
at
the
military
heritage
museum
and
for
the
the
next
year
or
so.
Our
meetings
will
be
at
the
military
heritage
museum.
So
we
will
come
back
and
see
what
they've
done
in
a
year
or
so,
and
if
everybody
is
agreeable,
we'll
shift
things
around
after
we
go
for
approval
of
the
minutes
and
get
mr
wilson
to
do
his
show
for
us.
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E
Good
afternoon
everybody
for
the
record,
my
name
is
hans
wilson,
I'm
a
pe
been
doing
marine
engineering,
environmental,
consulting
for
going
on
40
years
now,
kathy
and
gary
asked
me
to
take
a
look
at
the
colony
point:
dredge
material
handling,
location
and
assess
the
feasibility
of
actually
trying
to
make
a
tidal
connection
from
the
ponce
de
lis
inlet
waterway
to
the
site
and
if
you've
been
through
there,
you
know
that
that
shoreline
is
heavily
mangroves.
It's
also
very
shallow.
E
This
is
obviously
cover
letter.
You
I'm
sure
all
of
you
are
familiar
with
where
we're
talking
about,
and
then
this
is
sort
of
a
zoom
in
you
can
see
over
here
in
the
left-hand
side,
ponce
de
leon
park,
the
waterway
coming
in,
and
then
we
see
the
pineage
canal
system
and
then,
of
course,
we're
talking
about
this
location
right
here,
which
is
at
the
south
end
of
colony
point
drive
and
then
we
sort
of
expanded
that
little
graphic
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
zoom
in
of
the
subject
property.
E
E
Is
we're
not
setting
aside
enough
commercial
landing
waterfront
locations
for
the
marine
industry
to
be
able
to
stage
equipment
and
materials
to
maintain
what
is
fairly
extensive
infrastructure
that
we
have,
and
this
can
be
ponder
gorda?
It
could
be
north
port.
It
can
be
cape
coral,
fort
myers,
the
county
charlotte
county,
as
we
got
used
to
having
these
vacant
lots
and
being
able
to
use
those
for
staging
and
operating
as
they
build
out.
Our
opening
or
windows
for
access,
keep
getting
narrower
and
narrower
and
the
regulatory
challenges
and
leveraging
those
locations
greater
and
greater.
E
So,
on
the
geophysical
end
of
things,
we
went
ahead
and
mapped
water
depths.
We
you
can
see
that
you
know
we're
basically
one
to
two
feet:
it's
really
shallow
in
here.
It
drops
right
off
into
the
main
waterway
that
you
can
see,
which
are
the
blues
and
the
purples,
and
then
we
just
did
an
outline
of
the
proposed
dredge
limits,
which
is
this
cross.
Hatching
that
you
see
here
basically,
is
a
starter
point.
E
This
is
this
is
nothing
that's
in
stone.
This
is
basically
taking
our
best
shot
at
what
we
think
would
be
the
right
way
to
approach
this.
I've
talked
with
marine
contractors
that
have
done
barge
works
in
this
area.
I
talked
with
a
lot
of
just
our
regular
marine
contractors
that
we
deal
with
and
but
we're
certainly
open
for
discussion.
Gary's
already,
given
me
some
feedback
on
some
changes
that
he
think
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
I
agreed
with
him
so
again.
E
This
is
sort
of
an
idea
of
what
we're
thinking
and
how
we
arrived
at
this
point.
The
next
item
that
we
did,
we
actually
got
into
the
site
and
did
the
seagrass
mapping
during
seagrass
growing
season
prior
to
even
doing
the
bathymetry
and
the
agencies
are,
are
basically
becoming
pretty
rigorous
on
when
we
map
resources.
It's
got
to
be
between
june
1st
and
september
30th,
and
that's
considered
the
seagrass
growing
season
in
the
past.
E
We
would
we
would
be
able
to
dive
locations,
and
even
if
we
didn't
have
any
seagrasses
showing
we
could
root
around
and
find
some
rhizomes
or
something
that
might
indicate
seagrasses
are
growing
there
in
other
locations.
For
example,
I've
done
some
seagrass
mapping
in
in
canals
where
there's
just
you
know.
You've
got
two
or
three
feet
of
silt
and
seagrass
is
just
not
going
to
establish
there,
but
we
did
find
seagrass
at
this
location.
They're
very
sparse.
E
E
It
puts
up
with
a
lot
to
establish
its
its
its
roots,
so
to
speak,
thalassia
or
sangodium,
which
are
turtle
grass
of
manatee
grass.
They
need
a
lot
firmer
substrate.
They
need
a
lot
clearer
water,
they
need
better
flushing.
So
we
don't
really
have
a
really
good
location
for
seagrasses
to
establish
in
this
in
this
vicinity.
E
I
could
either
dig
into
the
mangroves
and
create
a
basin
that
I
would
have
to
stabilize
the
sides
of
and
the
problem
with,
that
is
if
I've
got
a
barge,
that's
60
foot
long,
plus
a
tug
boat
or
push
boat.
You
know
I've
got
this
basin.
That
gets
cut
into
the
mangroves,
that's
60
foot
long
at
a
minimum,
and
what
I'm
doing
is
I'm
creating
a
dead
end
pocket
and
that's
really
bad
for
water
quality.
E
It's
very
hard
to
substantiate
to
the
agencies
the
impacts
of
that
type
of
of
an
excavation,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
when
we
make
that
excavation,
I've
got
to
stabilize
the
mangroves
that
I'm
cutting
through.
So
I've
got
to
somehow
keep
them
from
falling
into
the
basin,
so
I'm
either
putting
in
some
sort
of
a
vertical
wall
to
hold
them
in
place,
or
I'm
cutting
them
back
at
a
three
to
one
slope
and
putting
a
rip
rap
in
which
is
even
greater
impact.
E
E
I
still
have
to
eliminate
the
mangroves,
I'm
still
going
to
have
direct
mangrove
impacts,
but
I
can
create
a
fill
peninsula
using
vertical
seawalls
and
that
really
boxes
out
that
operating
area
without
impacting
any
more
mangroves
outside
of
that
footprint
than
absolutely
necessary.
For
the
operation,
so
we
looked
at
that
we
looked
at
the
ability,
I'm
going
to
be
filling,
so
I
can
reuse
some
of
the
dredge
material
potentially,
and
then
we
also
had
to
take
a
look
at.
What's
my
new
maneuverability
in
the
site,
what
kind
of
barge
and
push
button
have
I
got?
E
E
I
had
some
conversations
with
bruce
medola
at
marine
contracting
group
and
we
used
the
largest
barge
that
they
use
in
the
canal
system
as
sort
of
our
template
for
the
design,
so
on
the
north
end
or
the
top
of
the
drawing,
we
basically
would
put
in
a
vertical
sea
wall
around
the
perimeter
of
the
fill
area
back
down
and
back
around
again.
This
is
the
wetland
fill
that
we
would
have
to
deal
with.
E
Again
gary
made
a
couple
of
good
points
when
he
looked
at
this
and
we've
actually
modified
the
drawing.
Subsequently,
these
are
the
cross
sections
I'll
back
up
real
quick
for
you,
so
you
can
see
cross
section.
A
is
through
the
fill
peninsula
cross.
Section
bb
is
how
the
barge
will
lay
up
against
the
face
of
the
seawall
cc
is
the
basically
the
thrust
block
or
the
fendering
system
we
put
in
place
for
the
barge
prop
wash
and
then
dd
is
just
a
typical
barge
in
the
cross
section.
E
So
this
is
again
cross
section
through
the
fill
peninsula,
pretty
straight
forward
vertical
bulkhead
fill
to
create
the
peninsula
to
operate
on
40
foot
wide,
so
you
get
materials
back
and
forth.
Staging
and
operating
bb
is
looking
where
the
barge
would
lay
up
against
the
face.
We
would
have
some
sort
of
fendering
pile
here
so
that
it
isn't
banging
into
the
sea
wall
itself.
E
But
we
talked
about
maybe
carrying
this
all
the
way
across
to
the
face
of
the
sea
wall.
We
haven't
decided
on
that,
because
there's
also
cost
ramifications
in
doing
that
and
then,
of
course,
this
is
the
sort
of
the
block
area
where
we
would
put
a
small
wall.
This
would
be
below
the
water
surface
below
mean
low
water,
and
then
we
have
the
pilings
to
support
it,
and
so,
as
the
barge
backs
in
and
then
puts
it
into
here,
pushes
against
it.
E
E
So
now
we
talk
about
regulatory
constraints.
This
is
the
laundry
list
of
the
alphabet.
Agencies
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
You've
got
obviously
local
government,
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
but
I
would
presume
that
they're
going
to
be
supportive
of
this
project,
so
I
don't
foresee
a
big
challenge
there.
I
do
foresee
potentially
some
local
objection
from
neighbors
in
that
immediate
community,
but
on
the
flip
side,
I'll
also
see
neighbors
that
otherwise
would
have
trucks
barging
or
carrying
mirror
material
through
their
neighborhood,
not
all
gets
concentrated
in
one
location.
E
So
from
a
local
perspective,
that's
something
that
staff
is
going
to
have
to
overcome
at
the
state
level.
I
have
to
deal
with
water
quality
that
would
be
through
the
department
of
environmental
protection
and
we'll
also
be
dealing
through
the
dep
on
the
submerged
lands
in
this
location,
which
appear
to
be
trustees
own.
When
I
say
trustees,
it's
the
trustees
of
the
internal
improvement
trust
fund,
that's
basically
the
governor
cabinet
sitting
as
that
entity.
That's
responsible
for
public
lands.
E
This
the
uplands
adjacent
is
all
park
lands,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
submerged
lands
would
be
treated
as
if
it
was
park,
lands
or
if
it's
our
more
normal
sovereign
submerged
lands
where
we're
dealing
with
state
lands
and
sovereign
land
issues,
and
they
also
have
to
coordinate
the
eps.
The
state
prairie
meeting
agency
they
have
to
coordinate
with
the
florida
fish
and
wildlife
conservation
commission
on
manatee
impacts,
that'll
be
of
a
concern
because
we've
got
a
barge
operating
shallow
water.
E
We
don't
want
to
crush
manatees
and
then
they'll
also
be
talking
with
the
division
of
historical
resources
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
indian
middens
or
whatever.
That's
in
that
location
that
we
have
to
deal
with
in
the
permitting
at
this.
At
the
federal
level
we
deal
with
the
us
army
corps
of
engineers,
they're
the
permitting
authority
under
section
10
of
the
rivers
and
harbors
act,
and
because
we
have
mangroves,
we
would
be
impacting
we're
also
going
to
be
dealing
with
a
404
b1
permit,
so
that
will
all
be
wrapped
into
one
application.
E
E
E
E
Save
the
manatee
club
might
jump
into
the
act
regarding
manatee
impacts.
Your
neighbor
may
decide
that
they
want
to
comment
through
one
of
their
favorite
organizations
that
are
environmental
stewards.
You
might
have
you
know
the
the
river
keepers
comment
you
never
know,
but
when
the
corps
of
engineers
has
a
complete
application,
it
goes
out
to
these
commenting
agencies
as
a
public
notice.
So
everybody
in
their
brother
that
watches
what's
taking
place
in
the
regulatory
world
at
the
federal
level,
has
the
opportunity
to
write
comments
back
and
those
can
be
rather
extensive.
E
Sometimes
it's
nothing
at
all.
It
just
depends
on
the
project
and
how
well
it's
designed
and
how
much
upfront
work.
We've
done
with
the
agencies
through
pre-application
conferences,
a
couple
of
things
to
look
at
that
area
that
you
see
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner.
That's
basically,
this
sort
of
a
lime,
green
coloring,
is
the
land
that's
owned
by
the
trustees
of
the
internal
improvement
trust
fund,
that's
basically
the
governor
cabinet
on
behalf
of
the
public
and
then
on
the
right-hand
graphic.
E
So
that's
helpful
because
we
don't
have
to
enter
into
sort
of
an
easement
with
the
state.
It's
basically
qualifying
because
of
the
nature
of
this
project
being
government
and
in
the
in
the
public
interest,
and
then,
of
course,
the
core
alternatives
analysis,
that's
a
sort
of
a
three-step
process.
We
have
to
go
through.
First,
you
have
to
explain
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers
why
this
property
and
of
course
that
rationale
is
well.
We
want
property,
that's
got
water
access
and
we
want
good
land
access.
E
We
want
to
be
on
the
fringe
of
the
of
the
communities
or
not
in
the
heart
of
the
residential
community.
You,
you
know
just
you
sort
of
lay
out
your
criteria
and
then
you
explain
to
the
corps
of
engineers
what
other
sites
would
be
available
for
that
and
if
we
do
it
correctly,
it'll
help
us
pin
down
to
this
one
location.
E
So
that's
the
alternatives,
analysis
and
then
you
get
into
avoidance
and
minimization.
So
we
have
to
show
a
design
that
avoids
impacts,
and
I've
already
done
that
first
step
by
showing
a
fill
peninsula
versus
dredging
a
basin,
because
the
fill
peninsula
will
have
less
environmental
impacts
to
mangroves.
E
We
have
a
little
bit
of
commercial
activity
in
the
backside
because
of
the
dredge
material
handling
activities
there,
where
they
store
the
material,
but
we're
not
on
a
main
road
thoroughfare.
It's
a
residential
neighborhood.
So
our
our
qualifications
are
how
we
rank
the
the
condition
of
the
functions
that
would
be
lost
is
what
drives
you
to
your
mitigation
costs
and
right
now
the
only
game
in
town
is
little
pine
island
mitigation
bank
and
I
think
the
last
check
they
were
like
345
thousand
dollars
for
a
single,
its
mangrove
saltwater
credit.
E
And
so
obviously
we
don't
need
a
whole
credit.
We
just
kind
of
go
through
this
process
of
what's
the
area
of
impact
and
then
what's
the
value
of
the
functions
and
it's
called
uniform
mitigation
and
assessment
methodology
that
we
exercise
and
we
come
out
the
other
side
with
evaluation
of
those
those
functions
that
helps
drive
what
our
mitigation
is
going
to
be.
E
E
It's
I
can't
get
a
marine
contractor
to
stand
by
a
price
quote
for
any
longer
than
30
days
and
if
they
do,
if
I
ask
them
to
give
me
90
days,
they
say
well,
I
need
a
10
contingency,
so
I
can
jack
my
price
to
accommodate
changes
in
inflation.
You
name
it,
but
we
do
try
to
give
it
our
best
shot.
So
we
sort
of
broke
down
the
area.
You
can
see
the
different
tasks
we
have
channel
mobilization,
demobilization,
we've
got
clearing
and
grubbing
we've
got
to
take
those
mangroves
out
of
there.
E
E
What's
how
much
the
cost
of
material
we've
got
a
sea
wall
that
we
have
to
construct?
It's
got
to
be
a
pretty
healthy,
very
robust,
designed
seawall
and
then,
of
course,
our
prop
wash
deflector,
which
is
an
approximation
and
then
the
the
turbidity
monitoring,
and
so
we
kind
of
have
these
construction
costs
in
here.
E
I
think
I
double
counted
on
my
mitigation
cost
in
this
thing,
when
I
put
the
powerpoint
together
and
that
probably
won't
hurt,
because
who
knows
where
we're
going
to
be
with
little
pine
island
mitigation
bank
10
years
ago
it
was
180
000
for
a
forested
saltwater
credit,
we're
now
345
000
and
since
they're
the
only
game
in
the
town,
it's
basically
whatever
price
they
want
to
charge.
So
while
I
have
problems
with
that,
it
is
what
it
is.
So
we
came
up
with
about
a
1.36
million
dollar
project
to
basically
implement
this
now.
E
E
Once
we
have
a
paper,
a
straw
dog
that
they
can
poke
at
and
say
no,
we
want
to
change
that
or
that
won't
work
yet
that'll
work,
fine,
and
then
we
had
soft
costs
because,
along
with
the
with
the
construction,
you
know
we
got
to
get
permits
and
the
like
for
this,
and
we
estimated
about.
I
think
it
was
160
000.
I
think
that
was
in
there
yeah
160
000.
E
You
can
see
soft
costs
for
the
feasibility
study,
final
design
and
permit
applications,
construction
plans
and
technical,
specs
and
construction
observation
services,
and
I
actually
have
that
broken
down.
If
you
want
to
know
the
dollar
figure
on
in
more
detail
per
that
subject,
area
and
then
I
put
together
just
sort
of
a
a
cost
to
benefit
assessment.
Obviously,
you
have
the
actual
physical
cost
of
the
construction.
E
Along
with
your
mitigation
bank
costs,
we've
got
direct
impacts
to
almost
a
tenth
of
an
acre
of
mature
mangroves,
which
is
obviously
a
resource
cost,
as
is
the
submerged
seagrasses.
Now,
that's
not
.82
acres
of
submerged
seagrasses.
Basically,
it's
just
summer's
resources,
we're
digging
the
bottom
and
there's
critters
that
live
in
the
bottom.
Aside
from
the
sparse
sea
grasses
that
are
there,
you
got
bivalves,
you
got
just
critters,
I
mean
they're
they're
there,
so
they're
lost.
So
that's
that's
clearly
a
cost.
Then
you've
got
benefits.
E
So
that's
sort
of
my
presentation,
I
threw
up
this
51
nrcs
area.
I
thought
you
all
might
find
it
interesting
to
see
where
the
project
site
is.
You
can
see
that
basin.
That's
there
basically
was
a
assault,
turn
low
depressional
area,
but
I'm
a
fan
of
these
old
aerials.
I
like
to
look
at
them
and
see
how
things
have
changed.
A
We
discussed
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
construction
site
for
our
seawall
replacement
projects
and
for
dredging
projects,
so
this
was
basically
just
to
service
the
seawall
replacement
projects,
not
for
like
say
if
a
company
had
needed
to
do
a
dock
and
needed
to
offload
some
material
or
something
like
that.
Obviously,
during
emergency
purposes,
that
could
change
you
know,
but
I
didn't
did
not
leave
it
open
and
I
don't
think
we
left
it
open
for
other
contractors
to
utilize.
B
And
and
doing
in
the
the
lack
of
of
staging
sites
that
we've
got
that
this
would
be
an
opportunity
for
or
a
resource
for,
the
other
marine
contractors
it's
kind
of
in
one
area.
So
there
it
doesn't
really
help
in
a
lot
of
areas
and
certain
doesn't
do
anything
for
you
know
for
bsi.
But
we
already
have
a
conversation
going
on
with
that
as
well.
But
it
seems
like
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
other
marine
contractors
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
this.
B
A
So
so
my
thought
process
is
we're
going
to
have
a
site
with
our
materials
on
there,
seawall
slabs
we're
going
to
have
different
types
of
material
out
there
we
might
have.
I
don't
know,
tugs
barrels,
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
imagine
that
we
would
want
that
to
be
a
secured
site,
because
those
are
city-owned
materials.
A
We
don't
want
somebody
walking
off
with
our
dirt
because
believe
it
or
not.
I
have
to
be
accountable
for
all
that
dirt
that
all
that
dredge
material
that
we
dredge
out
of
our
inlets,
I
have
to
report
to
army
corps
of
engineers
and
let
them
know
where
that
material
went
okay.
We
can't
put
it
on.
We
can't
take
that
dredge
material
and
put
it
on
roads
or
use
as
house
bases,
because
it's
sand
and
muck
okay,
so
we
use
it
behind
sea
walls
so
and
we
have
to
place
that
material
back
into
a
public
infrastructure.
B
A
good
idea
to
take
a
look
at
that
as
a
potential
use
for
this
site,
because
if
we
were
going
to
do
that
and
we
did
have
security
as
a
as
an
issue,
if
we
built
it
into
the
plan
from
the
very
beginning,
it
may
be
pretty
doable
to
do
that
it.
It's
just
you
know,
I'm
not
the
smartest
guy
in
third
grade.
But
when
I
look
at
that
part
of
the
discussion
it
seems
like
we
could
probably
figure
out
a
way
to
to
do
that.
And
I.
A
C
F
F
Is
that
going
to
be
open
to
the
public?
Are
fishermen
going
to
want
to
go
in
there
and
fish
while
our
contractor
or
you
know
the
marine
seawall
are
trying
to
get
in
and
out
to
do
their
work?
Is
there
has
that
been
taken
into
consideration
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
open
to
the
public?
Or
is
this
a
a
you
know,
authorized
access
only.
E
One
of
the
things
that
we'll
have
to
do
is
get
approval
from
the
state
to
use
submerged
lands
that
are
there
which
are
basically
public
lands.
However,
I
would
suspect
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
the
fish
and
wildlife
conservation
commission
to
realize
the
potential
safety
aspects
of
fishing
boats
mixing
up
with
a
commercial
barge
landing,
and
we
may
be
able
to
convince
them
to
allow
us
to
post
that
as
commercial
barge
operations,
only
no
fishing
allowed
or
something
like
that.
Don't
know
how
how
exactly
we
would
do
that.
E
C
F
I
guess
it
was
primarily
lux,
but
there
were
there
was
discussions
both
down,
I
think
in
lee
county
and
at
charlotte
county
of
some
kind
of
a
sensing
system
that
recognized
that
there
were
in
fact
manatees
in
there.
So
has
there
been
any
consideration
ahead
of
time
to
including
that
sensor
so
that
when
the
when
the
barges
come
in,
then
there's
a
red
light
flashing
or
something
that
says:
hey,
there's,
there's
a
manatee
in
here.
E
F
F
Before
we
go
to
the
dep
row,
whichever
one
of
the
the
initial
groups
that
are
are
going
to
be
asking
these
kind
of
questions
to
say,
hey
we've
thought
about
this,
and
this
is
the
this
is
the
approach
that
we
we
are
considering.
It
might
be
something
to
just
get
a
a
leg
up
on
these
guys,
good
suggestion.
G
G
B
G
B
Too,
mr
dye,
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
project.
I
I
think
the
local
property
owners
would
be
very
happy
to
not
see
these
dump
trucks
going
back
and
forth
on
the
road
all
the
time.
It's
it's
wear
and
tear
on
the
roads
and-
and
those
are
not
the
you
know
the
least
dangerous
vehicles
that
operate
on
the
road.
But
I
think
as
we
we
as
we
get
into
this,
and
we
get
a
communications
plan
going
to
inform
the
public
about
it.
B
We've
got
also
understand
that
people
thinking
about
the
traffic
coming
in
and
out
of
there
we
may
not
have
as
many
dump
trucks
going
in
and
out
as
before,
but
now
we're
going
to
have
other
large
vehicles
going
in
with
seawall
panels
and
other
equipment
that
goes
in.
So
it's
just
something
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
before
we
get
into
communicating
the
project
to
the
public.
C
G
E
Regulatory
from
the
data
and
applications
submitted,
you're-
probably
going
to
be
between
probably
closer
to
almost
two
years
before
we
get
a
federal
permit,
issued.
It's
taken
us
that
long
to
get
through
the
corps
of
engineers
and
it's
in
part,
because
the
local
office
here
in
fort
myers
is
overwhelmed
and
understaffed,
and
I've
talked
with
john
paul
carpo,
the
section
chief,
and
he
does
have
some
new
people
coming
on
board.
E
But
right
now
I
think
he's
got
five
active
project
managers
that
are
handling
somewhere
between
80
and
100
applications
each
so
I've
got
applications
that
I've
submitted
on
behalf
of
local
government,
not
puna
gorda,
although
gary
would
think
it
was
his
project,
but
some
other
local
governments
that
I
haven't
even
gotten.
The
project
manager
to
open
the
application.
That's
been
sitting
on
his
desk
for
five
months,
and
this
is
like
a
local
government.
This
is
government.
E
C
G
C
G
Goes
to
council,
I
don't
believe
well,
that's
part
of
our
budget
process.
We've
got
this
project
in
the
five-year
capital
improvement
plan,
so
we've
got
some
funding
already
here.
Mark
ford,
I
don't
remember
the
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
if
we've
got
that
money
set
aside
for
this
project,
then
we're
just
kind
of
moving
down
the
line
there.
D
C
Just
just
to
muddy
the
waters
a
little
bit
more
our
last
month
and
still
problem
going
forward,
is
the
accelerated
rate
of
sea
wall
replacement.
These
get
tied
together
in
some
way.
So,
if
even
if
we
get
to
get
to
the
funding
point
of
doing
the
rate
of
replacement
that
we
have
talked
about,
how
critical
is
this
to
being
able
to
do
that?
There's
other
factors
I
know,
but
without
this
doesn't,
it
seems
to
me
it
seems
to
put
some
barriers
in
the
way
of
actually
achieving
that
level
of
replacement
rate.
Oh.
G
For
sure
I
mean,
depending
as
long
as
building
continues,
this
building
has
been
going.
You
know
we're
just
those
lots
are
disappearing
so
fast
once
our
lots
are
gone,
then
I
mean
this.
Like
you
just
said,
this
is
kind
of
our
only
option
for
loading
and
unloading
materials
unless
we
can
find
some
some
vacant
lot
somewhere
in
the
system.
There's
some
up
in
the
multi-family
area
over
by
what
is
it
via
tripoli
kind
of
in
that
vicinity?
G
There's
some
multi-family
lots
over
there
problem
is
we
got
that
bridge
to
get
under
and
getting
under
that
bridge
they
have
to
wait
for
just
the
right
tide.
I
think
I
ever
heard
kathy
the
other
day
talking
and
they
the
only
time
they
were
able
to
push
the
barge
through
was
at
midnight.
That
was
right
when
the
tide
was
right
when
the
barge
could
make
it
through.
G
So
they
were
going
to
go
in
in
at
midnight,
be
able
to
work
just
for
that
week
and
then
that
next
tide
out
they
were
going
to
have
to
hurry
up
and
get
the
bar
job,
so
they
could
continue
doing
work
elsewhere.
So
I
mean
it's
not
all
the
staging
lots
are
are
perfect.
This.
This
will
still
have
constraints
like
that.
We'll
have
a
long
push
time
to
get
barges
with
materials
loaded
over
to
these
other
locations.
G
G
A
So
I
just
want
to
add
that
in
june
our
budget
was
presented
to
council
and
you
guys
had
recommended
what
was
that
a
550
rate
increase
correct.
So
council
did
not
agree
with
that.
They
only
they
only
approved
a
300
increase.
Now
is
a
portion
of
that
gonna
go
towards
this
project.
This
project
is
in
our
cip,
okay,
so
I
don't
and-
and
I
apologize-
I
did
not
come
prepared
for
that
today
and
I
I
apologize
for
that.
A
A
Or
september,
okay,
regardless
we're
not,
you
know
we're.
We
have
time
to
make
a
decision
on
this.
Okay,
it's
not
like.
We
have
to
make
a
decision
today
to
move
forward
with
this
project,
I
mean
if
we
would
like
to
know
that
what
we
have
is
a
good
idea,
and
we
do
want
to
move
forward
with
it.
I
think
financing
it
is
going
to
be
the
big
thing,
and
another
question
was
that
we
had
presented
to
the
finance
department
is
whether
we
finance
this
like
we
did
buckley's
pass
where
we
did
a
special.
G
A
So
many
years
ago,
when
the
historical
advisory
board,
mr
disher
here
did
a
huge
study
on
different
options
that
we
had,
and
the
problem
with
buying
other
vacant
properties
is
that
nobody
wanted
this
next
in
their
backyard
or
next
to
them.
Okay,
and
they
thought
it
would
bring
down
their
property
values,
so
so
that
that's
why
we
thought
that
the
spoil
site
was
a
great
alternative.
A
So
mr
dimit
d'amico,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
right
now.
Mr
wilson,
here
is
correct.
The
people
that
live
across
the
street
from
this
site
here
they
keep
an
eye
on
it,
they're
not
happy
it's
there.
They
blame
me
for
everything,
excessive
mosquitoes
smell
dust,
all
of
that
stuff,
okay,
so
yeah
we
may
have
to
do
some
things
to
the
site.
We
may
have
to
put
some
kind
of
noise
berm
up
or
a
dust
berm,
or
something
like
that,
make
sure
that
it's
well
drained
and
all
that
other
stuff.
A
So
it's
just
not
going
to
be
creating
this
access
point
to
the
spoil
site.
There's
going
to
have
to
also
be
some
on-site
improvements
as
well.
Okay
is
what
I'm
anticipating
and
yes,
I
am
anticipating
some
pushback
from
the
people
that
live
adjacent
to
this
site.
Okay,
and
just
so
you
know
this
site
has
been
there
since
they
started
building
puna
gorda
isles.
This
has
always
been
a
construction
site.
A
D
E
Well,
I
think
it
started
out
as
shallow
to
begin
with,
because
it
was
basically
a
saltwater
pond.
If
you
take
a
look
at
that
51
ariel,
you
can
see
what
was
there
right?
I
think
what
you're
going
to
find
is
that
when
we
dredge
it
out
and
open
it
up
once
the
bar
just
start
operating
in
there,
there
won't
be
any
siltation
problems.
It'll
it'll
keep
itself
it'll,
be
self-cleaning.
D
E
E
Generally,
what
they
have
is
they'll
have
an
excavator
mounted
in
the
front
and
they'll
have
a
bin.
That's
in
the
back
of
the
barge
so
they're
reaching
in
the
back
of
the
barge
digging
the
material
out
swinging
around
and
placing
it
on
the
ground
and
the
front
end
loader
is
picking
it
up
and
taking
it
to
its
final
resting
location.
E
E
Because
because
they're
going
to
most
the
time
the
equipment's
operating
usually
well
there's
a
couple
of
ways
to
do
that
it
depends
on
how
the
barge
is
set
up
and
how
big
the
barge
is.
Sometimes
you'll
have
the
equipment
in
the
back
part
of
the
barge.
You
only
have
the
bin
in
the
front
and
or
you'll
have
a
crane
in
the
back
of
the
barge
and
you'll
have
the
sea
wall
panels
in
the
front,
so
it
just.
It
just
depends
on
the
setup.
Okay,.
G
D
G
D
E
F
E
A
A
It
happens
all
the
time
and
let
me
tell
you
what
one
of
the
biggest
jobs
I
have
is.
I
get
calls
all
the
time
from
property
owners
that
call
me
up
and
they
go
hey.
You
left
your
trash
on
my
property
and
I'm
going
and
and
we
our
our
seawall
replacement
contractor,
has
to
pull
a
permit
to
occupy
a
staging
lot.
So
we
know
where
they're
at
we
know
when
they
get
there.
We
know
when
they
leave.
So
we
know
if
somebody
else
has
been
there
and
it's
just
not
marine
contractors.
It's
home
builders.
A
A
C
D
E
Well,
gary
actually
brought
up
a
good
point
about
flaring
that
entrance.
That's
what
I
was
thinking,
and
so
you
know
that's
why
we
communicate
like
we
do
because
we're
trying
to
get
the
best
of
all
the
brains
together
to
get
the
right
thing
put
together.
So,
like
I
said
before,
we'll
be
tweaking
this
design
we'll
also
be
running
it
past,
a
couple
of
the
marine
contractors
that
have
something
on
paper
that
they
can
look
at
and
go.
What
do
you
guys
think?
E
A
So
if
the
contractor
chose
to
pick
up
his
panels
from
this
site
and
more
them
down
to
burn
straw
aisles,
that's
his
choice.
It's
okay,
okay,
burnt
store
aisles
is
one
of
their
cip.
Projects
is
they're,
looking
at
a
commercial
site
as
their
construction
staging
site,
but
that
project
is
on
their
cip
books,
but
it's
not
funded,
so
that
could
be
a
future
future
future
thing:
okay,
but
they're,
aware
of
it
all
right,
so
bird
store
aisles,
they
pay
for
panels
and
materials
and
stuff
like
that.
G
C
A
I
would
really
truly
like
to
put
the
funding
and
maybe
even
the
approval,
to
our
next
board
meeting
all
right.
I
want
to
get
our
finance
director
involved
and
I
want
to
know
more
about
what
that
process
would
be
if
we
have
to
get
council
approval.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
your
next
question.
Okay.
Okay,
so
I
apologize
for
not
being
prepared
for
that,
but
I
will
we'll
bring
it
up
at
the
next
meeting.
C
A
Well,
I
think
we
had
good
discussion
about
all
those
items
opening
up
to
other
marine
contractors,
keeping
the
public
out
from
the
channel,
keeping
the
public
fishermen
out
of
the
channel
revenue
sources.
I
think
those
are
all
good
questions
and
items
that
we
need
to
talk
about
now
that
we,
like
mr
wilson,
said
now
that
we
have
something
on
paper.
We
know
what
we're
looking
at.
I
think
that
was
the
whole
purpose
of
today's
presentation
was
to
give
you
guys
an
idea
of
this.
C
B
B
Thank
you
just
for
the
record
that
there
is
a
precedent
for
dredging
this
canal
at
least
once
a
month.
I
see
somebody
who
fails
to
make
that
turn
to
into
the
canal
system
who
goes
down
there,
and
somebody
has
to
tow
them
out
of
that
little
basin.
So
people
are
trying
to
dredge
that
now,
as
we
speak
so.
A
I
would
like
to
share.
I
would
like
to
share
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
you
guys,
since
we
have
opened
up
buckley's
pass.
Our
water
quality
in
the
perimeter
canal
has
been
incredible.
It's
just.
We
have
that
constant,
flushing
that
constant
moving
of
the
water
in
the
past
we
used
to
have
to
dredge
pond's
inlet
twice
a
year.
A
We
only
have
to
do
it
once
a
year,
and
it's
not
that
much
where,
before
I
had
to
take
out
much
more
twice
a
year
this
year,
we're
only
having
to
do
it
once
and
it's
not
a
whole
lot
of
material.
Basically,
most
of
the
material
is
during
that
s
curve
before
you
enter
the
subdivision,
because
we
have
all
of
that
shallow
water
and
all
that
dirt,
just
kind
of
goes
to
the
deepest
part
of
the
channel.
A
A
A
I
do
want
you
to
notice
that
the
billing,
for
the
month
of
may
is
much
lower
than
we're
usually
typically
used
to
god.
That
was
a
bad
word,
and
that's
because
we
have
a
concrete
shortage.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
aware
of
the
concrete
shortage
we're
having
an
issue
with
getting
caps
poured,
so
we
had
put
a
freeze
on
any
more
seawall
demolitions
until
they
were
caught
up
with
their
cap
pouring
and
stuff
like
that
they
ended
up
pulling
a
couple
contracts
with
a
couple
concrete
plants.
A
A
So
if
you
wanted
to
schedule
something
you're
three
to
four
weeks
out,
but
once
you
get
in
that
cycle,
you
know-
and
you
start
scheduling
everything
then
then
you're
pretty
good.
Even
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
we've
had
several
of
our
scheduled
concrete
pours,
cancel
due
to
lack
of
material
or
lack
of
drivers
or
whatever.
C
A
Okay,
I'm
so
excited
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
this,
so
we
had
three
seawall
failures.
I
know
I
emailed
you
guys
pictures
all
right,
so
the
first
one
was
on
coldway.
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
that
sea
wall
was
rated
a
four
and
it
was
already
designated
for
replacement
in
the
next
work
program.
Okay,
so
we
knew
that
that
wall
was
an
issue
all
right,
yeah
that
did
take
out
a
dock
and
it
took
out
a
lamp
post.
A
The
cap
had
failed
and
then
the
wall
had
just
buckled
in
all
right.
Let
me
backtrack
the
one
on
cold
way.
That
was
a
water
line
crack
okay.
We
knew
that
that
was
coming
all
right.
The
one
on
villa
zabal
harbor
that
one
was
like
the
cap
was
really
bad.
We
had
some
bad
lateral
cracking
and
that
was
scheduled
for
replacement
and
work
program
2324..
A
A
A
A
That
wall
was
rated
a
three
interesting,
so
we
had
mmfx
wall
on
both
sides
of
that
property
and
that
wall
was
rated
a
three.
What
happened
there
was
the
bottom
had
kicked
out
so
apparently
had
a
lack
of
berm
or
something
okay,
so
that
replacement
there
was
87
lineal
feet.
So
we
got
a
couple
feet
on
both
sides.
We
just
got
to
make
sure
that
we're
replacing
the
wall
to
the
cap
joint
okay,
do
you
guys
have
any
questions
or
concerns
about
any
of
those
failures
before
I
move
on.
F
A
Spent
yes,
so
what
we
did
was
you
will
see
on
your
on
your
status
report.
So
the
first
two
projects
we
had.
We
had
rescheduled
those
to
next
fiscal
year.
First
of
all,
the
owners
at
don
quixote
asked
us
to
reschedule
his
sea
wall
because
he
wanted
to
be
in
town
for
next
fiscal
year
and
we
agreed
to
that
and
then
sancho
ponza
and
riding
rocks
those
were
rescheduled
because
we
had
the
failure
on
west
marion
and
where
was
the
other
failure.
A
That
was
not
a
condo
that
was
a
resident.
It
was
at
the
end
of
a
at
the
end
of
a
canal.
Okay
and
those
were
huge
water
line
cracks
in
that
wall.
They
were
like
a
half
inch,
those
those
were
huge,
so
I
ended
up
taking
the
la
the
three
parisian
maria
and
ocean
off
to
cover
the
cost
for
the
three
failures
that
we
just
experienced.
A
C
G
Well,
the
last
time
around,
I
believe
we
had
three
count.
It
has
to
be
a
storm
that
hits
a
certain
level
of
damage
to
three
adjacent
counties
or
communities
before
fema
comes
in.
It
can't
be
an
isolated
incident.
The
rain
13
event
where
we
lost
all
that
sea
wall.
No
one
else
was
affected.
We
couldn't
get
fema
funding,
so
fema
will
determine
your
area
in
an
emergency,
but
it
has
to
hit
other
areas
and
reach
a
certain
level
of
funding.
F
C
C
A
With
that,
with
that
comment,
I
just
want
you
guys
to
realize.
Every
year
we
have
a
failure
somewhere,
it
might
be
one
property,
two
properties,
four
properties
whatever,
but
we're
always
able
to
fund
it
with
the
budget,
because
I
always
pad
the
budget
with
twenty
five.
Thirty
thousand
dollars
in
case
we
do
have
a
failure.
Okay,
so
so
I
always
count
on
a
failure
in
in
the
when
we're
creating
the
budgets.
It's
just
that
this
year
we've
had
875
lineal
feet,
which
is
more
lineal
footage
than
I
could.
I
could
have
buffered.
C
This
seemed
to
catch
their
attention
a
little
bit
differently
and
in
fact,
if
it's
whatever
the
number
of
seawall
replacement,
is
it's
really
multiplied
times?
Two,
because
you
have
times
980
feet,
that's
deferred!
So
there's
the
stuff
that
we're
replacing
that's
on
the
schedule,
yeah
and
the
stuff
that
we
would
have
replaced.
That
now
isn't
going
to
be
replaced
and
is
now
a
year
more
in
risk,
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
should
not
reiterate
the
importance
of
being
proactive
and
go
back
to
council
and
say
we
understand
why
you
did
what
you
did.
C
C
They
may
call
you
up
and
say
what
happened.
You
know
in
may
12th
to
may
16th,
but
they're
going
to
come
a
lot
harder
when
their
sea
wall
is
collapsed
and
it
isn't
going
to
be
fixed
for
some
period
of
time.
So
I'm
wondering
if
it
isn't
worth
going
back
one
more
time
because
the
budget
isn't
cast
in
stone
just
yet.
G
C
B
B
A
So
I
spoke
with
kristen
our
finance
director
and
she
said
that
the
pgi
canal
budget
is
scheduled
for
the
july
6
council
meeting.
Okay.
I
think
that
will
be
like
the
first
public
hearing
all
right.
The
one
thing
that
they
did
express
is
they
expressed
that
they
they
they
wanted.
The
advisory
board
committee
members
to
be
present
to
answer
questions.
One
of
their
big
concerns
was:
why
did
we
go?
We?
A
Our
first
recommendation
was
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
then,
when
we
had
our
and
then
we
had
our
public
meeting
and
everybody
was
very
supportive
of
the
hundred
and
fifty
dollars,
we
know
that
we
need
to
do
more
sea
wells.
We
know
150,
isn't
gonna
even
touch
it,
okay,
but
then
it
was
bumped
to
550
and
they
wanted
to
know
what
was
the
reasoning
to
bumping
at
550?
A
B
C
For
what
it's
worth,
I
just
this
morning
went
back
and
looked
at
our
deliberation
from
the
may
16th
meeting,
which
I
thought
was
actually
a
pretty
good
deliberation
and
we
could
go
back
to
the
meeting
of
whenever
it
was
november
of
2019
now
or
20
2019.
I
think
the
first.
The
first
time
we
came
up
with
the
the
initial
recommendation.
C
C
So
what
we
have
to
stand
on
is
the
deliberations
that
are
recorded,
the
minutes
that
are
recorded,
and
perhaps
we
could
say
something
like
we
stand
by
those
use
that
as
the
evidence,
if
you
want
questions,
we
could
collectively
respond
to
them.
Ask
your
questions
but
trying
to
do
that
in
the
whether
it's
a
the
allotted
three
minutes
or
in
the.
However,
that
would
work.
I
don't
I
I'm.
A
C
A
Well,
and
also
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
to
also
just
be
there,
to
reiterate
the
fact
that
we
have
sioux
ball
failures,
875
millennial
feet.
You
know
this
is
not
getting
any
better,
the
situation's
not
getting
any
better.
So
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
something
you
wanted
to
reiterate
at
the
council
meeting
or.
C
That's
sort
of
where
I
was
going
earlier
that
we
could
reiterate
it
and
say:
look
what's
happened
in
the
interim.
Maybe
you
could
reconsider
your
your
consensus
going
forward
if
it
hasn't
gone
to
the
trim
notice,
but
now,
if
they
want
us
to
be
there
to,
I
heard
all
of
that
from
yeah
councilwoman
lockhart,
I
think,
was
yeah
one.
Who
was
the
advocate.
C
A
F
C
A
I
think
it
does
give
them
a
reason
to
reconsider,
especially
coming
from
you
guys,
as
opposed
from
me,
I
mean
I
can
tell
them
that
we
had
the
conversation.
They
certainly
go
back
and
watch
our
meetings,
so
I
can,
you
know
present
that,
but
I
think
it
it
carries
more
weight
coming
from
the
advisory
board.
C
B
I,
like
I,
like
your
point
about
the
fact
that
that
our
deliberation,
that
our
discussion
was
pretty
thorough,
pretty
focused
in
that
meeting,
and
it
gives
great
insight
as
to
why
we
made
the
recommendation
that
we,
you
know
that
we
did
and
if
we're
comfortable
with
that,
then
it
should
stand
on
its
own
and
represent
us
as
a
as
a
board.
Okay,.
A
C
So
so
our
consensus
would
be
that
we
stand
by
our
initial,
our
our
recommendation
of
may
16th
and
especially,
and
I'm
putting
words
in
everybody's
mouth
now,
especially
in
light
of
the
recent
events
that
have
caused
an
additional
whatever.
The
footage
is
to
be
compromised
and
the
need
to
get
ahead
of
this
as
opposed
to
kind
of
reacting
as
a
being
proactive
so
and
we
hope
that
they'll
reconsider
the
rate
at
which
they
are
funding
replacement.
A
So
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
be
more
proactive
with
is
communication.
So
if
you'll
notice
in
our
weekly
highlights
report
the
first
article
under
canal
maintenance
is,
we
have
failed
sea
walls,
we
lost
this
many.
These
are
the
wall.
These
are
the
properties
that
are
being
rescheduled
to
next
fiscal
year.
We
also
put
on
our
website
that
those
projects
have
been.
A
Rescheduled
to
next
year,
they've
been
you
know,
lying
through
and
and
they
will
be
rescheduled
for
next
year.
Okay,
so
we're
trying
to
do
our
best
besides
making
those
personal
one-on-one
contact
calls
which
has
been
time
consuming
in
the
last
two
two
weeks,
because
everyone
has
left
for
home,
so
just
tracking
those
people
down
letting
them
know
that
their
walls
have
been
rescheduled.
I
have
a
lot
of
unhappy
customers
whether
their
wall
was
damaged
or
whether
their
wall
was
rescheduled.
A
B
Do
we
yeah
do
we
know
approximately
the
cost
associated
with
the
failure
of
those
those
sea
walls,
because
that's
kind
of
an
unprogrammed
cost
has
been
thrown
into
the
to
the
budget?
Now,
admittedly,
it's
going
to
be
absorbed
by
the
the
budget,
so
the
budget
doesn't
change
and
doesn't
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to
spend
more
money
now,
but
we
just
keep
deferring
all
of
this
farther
down
the
road.
A
A
A
And
now
it's
an
unusual
disconnect,
because
you
can't
allow
a
contractor
to
be
in
that
damaged
zone
right.
They
have
to
disconnect
the
electric
up
there
towards
the
house
not
down
there,
where
the
the.
What
do
you
guys
call
that
pull
box
break
box?
Whatever
disconnect
box
is
at
the
seawall?
They
have
to
do
it
up
towards.
So
it's
a
different
cost
there
and
those
people
are
on
notice.
They
have
to
get
it
done
now.
A
Now
now
you
know
I
can't
get
a
barge
under
the
bass
inlet
until
july
11th
when
tides
are
low
enough
to
allow
the
barge
and
the
crane
under
the
bridge,
so
cold
way
isn't
getting
addressed
until
the
week
of
july
11.,
but
that
allows
them
enough
time
to
disconnect
their
electric.
Some
of
the
property
owners
are
gone.
One
guy's
a
pilot
he's
got
to
fly
in
and
move
his
vessel.
We
have
three
vessels
there
that
have
to
be
moved
before
we
can
even
get
in
there.
A
A
Systems
in
our
10-foot
zone-
sometimes
they
have
their
cable
running
through
there.
Condos
are
very
consuming
when
it
comes
to
replacing
sea
walls,
so
sometimes
they
even
have
their
retention
ponds
along
the
back
of
the
seawall.
So
getting
all
of
that
coordinated
and
organized
with
their
property
management
company
can
be
challenging
as
well.
B
B
It
doesn't
fit
in
our
schedule
right
now,
so
that
that
whatever
that
number
is
is
now
it
just
keeps
mounting
and
it
is
getting
worse.
So
we
have
to
address
this
at
some
point
and
our
approach
is
to
start
addressing
aggressively
now,
so
it's
it's
it.
We
can
eat
it
easily,
a
lot
easier
farther
down
the
road.
If
we
don't
address
it
now,
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
to
eat.
You
know
several
years
down
the
road
as
as
all
of
those
fours
start.
B
If
we
have
a
major
storm
and
we've
let
all
these
fours
build
up
over
time,
we're
going
to
see
major
failures
that
may
not
qualify
for
fema
that
we're
going
to
have
to
eat,
and
so
what
you
know
we
you
can.
We
can
see
that
coming
and
so
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now
is
to
do,
and
I'm
not
telling
you
anything
that
you
don't
already
know
just
helping.
D
B
A
B
A
That
by
350
a
lineal
foot
that'll
tell
you
how
much
ballpark,
okay,
because
we
know
what
we
pay.
We
know
that
we
have
to
replace
the
seawall
and
restore
the
property
and
put
in
the
sod
okay.
What
we
don't
count
on
is
how
many
dead
men
we're
going
to
do.
If
there's
david
bases
we
have
to
remove
those
are
all
the
extras.
A
B
A
B
A
A
A
Nope,
this
is
just
conversation,
just
educating
you
guys,
letting
you
guys
know
what's
going
on
out
there.
I
appreciate
you
guys
taking
the
emails,
we're
just
gonna,
you
know
as
we
get
more
failures,
we'll
just
keep
feeding
them
to
you
and
we
just
have
to
know
by
sunshine
law.
You
cannot
respond.
This
is
just
information,
I'm
feeding
you
guys.
Okay,.
G
All
right
to
tie
into
the
building
permit
question
here.
You
guys
had
asked
a
few
questions
at
the
last
meeting.
Permits
do
have
an
expiration
date.
I've
talked
to
the
building
department
six
months
once
that
permit
is
issued
six
months
unless
you
have
an
approved
inspection
every
six
months
to
remain
active.
So
if
you
do,
if
you
have
a
four
inspection
job
and
you
do
one
every
six
months,
that
project
can
run
out.
G
G
C
B
C
B
C
C
G
C
D
D
D
Start
working
on
putting
some
of
my
thoughts
together.
We
had
some
discussion
this
morning,
but
I'm
going
to
start
putting
some
of
my
thoughts
and
see
if
that
looks
like
I'll
report
back
to
you
all
at
some
point
when
I
get
to
get
that
to
paper.
But
there
is
discussion
going
on
to
see
how
we
can
clean
up
those
ends
of
canals.