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Regular City Council Meeting 1-18-2023
A
B
C
D
D
D
E
Good
morning
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
January,
18
2023
city
council
meeting,
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
City
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
join
us
for
the
invocation
followed
by
The
Pledge
and
if
you're
wearing
a
hat.
Please
do
us
the
courtesy
of
removing
it.
F
D
G
Mayor
before
we
get
into
today's
agenda,
there
is
a
housekeeping
matter
that
I
think
might
be
helpful
to
address.
At
this
point
on
the
Fisherman's
Village
items
on
the
agenda,
we
have
received
applications
by
two
two
groups
that
wish
to
have
intervener
status
in
that
those
proceedings
and
according
to
the
city's
resolution
and
rules
regarding
quasi-judicial
proceedings,
the
presiding
officer
may
allow
a
person
to
intervene
as
a
party
intervener
if
they
meet
the
following
requirements
and
the
first
one,
which
is
really
the
one
that
of
concern.
G
The
person
must
have
an
interest
in
the
application
which
is
different
than
the
public
at
large.
We
received,
as
I
mentioned,
two
requests
for
intervener
status,
both
of
which
are
from
residents
of
properties
nearby
to
the
Fisherman's
Village
project
and
staff,
and
City
attorney
concur
that
they
have
a
sufficient
interest
to
to
be
considered
as
a
intervener.
But
according
to
the
rules,
it's
the
determination
of
the
presiding
officer
to
allow
them
to
intervene
and
would
recommend
at
this
time
that
you
go
ahead
in
that
capacity
and
acknowledge
the
the
two
parties
Lisa.
G
I
Good
morning
welcome
everybody
to
our
city
council
meeting
I'd,
just
like
to
go
over
some
safety
items
for
everybody's
enjoyment
of
the
meeting.
Please
do
not
stand
in
the
stairwells
or
in
the
hallways
and
blocking
the
entrance
doorways.
If
there
is
a
vacant
chair
next
to
you,
please
offer
it
to
someone
that
is
standing.
I
A
E
J
E
E
D
E
E
E
Okay.
So
this
is
a
proclamation
from
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
whereas
Miss
Adeline,
Leonard
seekwood
will
celebrate
her
100th
birthday
on
January,
27,
2023
and
whereas
Adeline
was
a
talented
child
who
could
play
the
piano
by
ear
at
the
young
age
of
two
and
at
age,
nine
had
a
part
in
a
play
with
speaking
lines.
Wait.
Do
you
hear
this
history
of
this
woman
she's
incredible
by
the
time
she
was
a
young
teen.
E
However,
she
lived
mostly
a
quiet
life
outside
the
spotlight
unless
you
see
her
dancing
with
the
boogeyman
and
I've
seen
her
dancing
with
the
boogeyman
and
whereas
for
30
years,
Adeline
was,
and
continues
to
be,
the
sunshine
lady
for
the
Punta
Gorda
Isle
civic
association,
welcoming
countless
people
who
are
new
to
the
area.
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
Proclaim
January
27
2023
as
Adeline
Leonard's
secret
day
past
and
Julie
adopted
in
a
regular
session.
E
M
E
O
O
She's
been
a
great
part
of
the
I.T
team
as
a
just
a
driving
force
for
us
she's,
always
on
the
Leading
Edge
of
innovation.
She
has
a
passion
for
data
and
finding
ways
to
use
it
and
report
on
it
and
make
it
work
for
us,
and
so
we're
glad
that
we've
got
her
and
we
hope
we
keep
her
for
a
long
long
time.
P
E
E
This
wonderful
lady
has
been
with
the
city
for
five
years
already
it's
hard
to
believe.
It's
been
five
years.
She
probably
feels
like
25
to
Pam,
but
we
we're
very
grateful
for
having
you
on
our
team
and
and
for
leading
such
a
great
team
of
police
officers
we're
very
blessed
in
this
community.
So
congratulations
on
five
years.
Q
Good
morning,
everyone
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
I've
had
a
very
supportive
city
council,
all
these
five
years
very
blessed
to
have
a
talented
group
of
people
that
I
work
with
every
day,
supportive
city
manager
and
and
the
residents
you
guys
have
really
been
great
to
work
with
and
and
I
hope.
You'll
keep
me
around
another
five
years,
so.
E
R
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
everyone
for
being
here
just
for
these
Awards.
That's
really
appreciate
it.
It's
a
great
thing.
Everyone's
loved,
but
I
just
would
like
to
present
the
digital
cities
award
from
the
2022
survey,
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
placed
seventh
in
the
nation
for
cities
up
to
75
000.
we've
consistently
been
in
the
top
10
digital
cities.
R
Surveys
several
facets
of
operations
in
city
government,
how
digital
media
is
used,
communication
with
public
Etc
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
present
this
to
our
I.T
director,
Brad
and
Brad
might
be
able
to
describe
a
little
more
as
to
what
goes
into
the
digital
cities
survey
and
awards
and
how
that
impacts,
the
citizens
and
city
government
to
put
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
So
thank
you.
O
Yes,
we
work
hard
as
a
city
to
stay
on,
not
the
bleeding
edge,
but
the
Leading
Edge
of
Technology
and-
and
it's
not
just
the
the
the
real
focus
is
that
this
isn't
just
a
technology
award,
definitely
focuses
on
technology
and
how
it's
used
in
the
city.
But
this
is
an
award
that
goes
to
all
of
the
departments
in
the
city
because
it
takes
them
using
the
systems
that
we
have
to
better
serve
the
citizens
to
better
provide
the
services
that
they
make.
So
this
is
is
a
comprehensive
effort.
O
Citywide
and
that's
what
the
survey
looks
at
it
takes
me
about
a
month
to
fill
out
the
the
survey
every
year,
because
it
goes
into
several
different
categories:
everything
from
networks
and
security
to
online
services
and
Innovation
and
Leadership,
and
so
in
in
providing
all
of
that
information
it.
It
gives
them
a
complete
look
at
how
we
use
technology
in
the
city
to
do
a
better
job
for
you.
O
R
Just
to
comment:
we
continue
to
improve
in
our
digital
footprint,
for
example,
as
many
know,
when
they're
coming
into
the
permit
office
now,
we've
been
overwhelmed
with
permits
and
we're
using
digital
methods,
we're
evaluating
what
we
can
do
to
make
that
more
efficient
and
make
that
go
more
quickly.
In
many
cases
because
of
systems
that
were
down
hurricane
damage,
we've
had
to
input
everything
by
hand.
Last
November
and
December
we
had
57
permits
throughout
the
city,
this
November
and
December.
We
had
1428
permits.
R
Yesterday
we
had
105
people
come
through
the
permit
office
just
yesterday,
so
we're
certainly
working
hard
to
keep
up
on
the
permits.
Get
everything
issued
and
you'll
see
that
our
staff's
working
very
hard
to
try
to
get
many
of
you
here
may
have
permits
that
are
working
right
now
getting
those
done.
We
have
alternative
methods.
E
Those
hearings-
you
must
be
sworn
in
to
to
in
order
to
give
testimony
all
the
information
that
you
State
for
the
record
is
public
comment
that
is
recorded
and
it
is
essentially
we
serve
as
judges
in
a
court
of
law,
which
is
why
there
is
so
much
Pomp
and
Circumstance
surrounding
quasi-judicial
hearings.
If
you
are
here
for
a
specific
hearing-
and
you
wish
to
comment,
you
will
need
to
be
sworn
in
and
then
you
can
speak
at
the
time
that
we
have
that
public
hearing
for
general
public
input
comments.
E
You
may
do
so
after
I
read
the
housekeeping
notes.
Anything
that
you
State
under
public
citizen
comments
is
not
considered
testimony
or
relevant
to
any
of
the
hearings
we
will
have
before
us
today.
So
with
that
said,
let
me
first
say:
please
silence
all
devices
I
heard
some
phones
going
off.
So
please
make
sure
all
of
your
phones
and
other
devices
are
on
silence
so
that
we
don't
interrupt
the
hearings
and
these
meetings
are
recorded
So.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
clean
record
of
the
of
the
hearing.
E
There
is
a
Code
of
Conduct
in
the
council
chambers.
You
see
in
front
of
you
the
rules
of
conduct.
Please
make
sure
you
familiarize
yourself
with
them
and
as
well.
There
is
a
poster
board
at
the
entrance
door
that
states
the
rules
of
the
council
chambers
and
how
we
conduct
business.
So
please
make
sure
you
are
familiarized
with
all
of
that
information.
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
should
use
the
guest
podium
in
the
center
of
the
room
right
in
front
of
me.
E
The
podium
to
the
right
of
the
stage
is
for
staff
and
applicant
presentations
only
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
If
it
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
please
also
state
that
you've
been
sworn
in.
Each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
Sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
E
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
only
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak.
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
E
E
A
copy
of
any
supporting
documents
you
may
have
displayed
during
the
meeting
must
be
provided
to
the
city
clerk
and
these
documents
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
and
will
be
retained
by
the
clerk's
office.
The
citizen
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizen
comments.
Only
council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public,
and
with
that
we
will
open
up
the
floor
for
general
public
comments
on
any
issue.
S
These
kfs,
the
organizational
chart
for
the
city
shows
the
Punta
Gorda
residents
and
citizens.
Then
city
council,
then
other
other
City
positions.
Many
times
residents
and
citizens
feel
like
they
are
not
being
heard.
The
politely
want
to
give
input
when
that
does
not
appear
to
happen,
they
get
upset
and
angry
then
working
the
case
of
this
unites
they
file,
referendums
or
other.
Like
other
cities,
they
see
the
city.
The
citizens
of
this
city
have
a
wealth
of
education
and
experience
and
a
great
financial
investment.
S
S
286.0011Fs
outside
Communications,
received
by
city
council,
is
permissible,
but
should
not
find
the
basis
for
your
decisions.
One,
the
substance
of
any
exported
communication
is
not
presume
prodigious
producial
to
the
action
if
the
subject
of
the
communication
and
the
identity
of
the
person
or
group
is
disclosed
and
made
part
of
the
record
before
the
final
action
on
the
matter,
two
counsel
me
read
written
documentation
from
any
person.
Three
council
members,
May
conduct
investigations
and
site
visits
and
may
receive
expert
opinions.
S
Sex
activities
shall
not
be
presumed
prejudicial
if
the
existence
of
the
site,
visit,
investigation
or
expert
apply
is
more
part
of
the
record
before
final
action,
the
expert
opinion
may
not
form
the
basis
of
any
decision
unless
the
expert
attends
the
public
hearing
and
is
available
for
cross-examination
by
all
interested
parties.
Four
disclosures
must
be
made
during
or
before
or
during
the
public
meeting
at
which
the
vote
is
taken.
S
N
Good
morning
my
name
is
Janine
Polk,
since
the
city
council
is
here
to
listen
to
facts.
Here
are
the
facts.
The
developers
have
not
revealed
and
I
hope
you
will
consider
these
facts
when
making
your
decision
about
the
rezoning
of
Fisherman's
Village
fact
number
one
regarding
taking
a
public
owned
land.
N
The
historic
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
specifically
States
quote
this
element-
furthers
the
city's
founder
Isaac
trabu's
vision
of
preserving
land
along
the
harbor
for
the
public
giveaway,
giving
away
portions
of
our
pocket
parks
along
with
large
portions
of
Retta
Esplanade
Waterfront,
is
in
conflict
of
the
historic
element
of
the
Punta
Gorda
comprehensive
plan.
We
say:
no,
these
parks
and
streets
are
off
limits.
N
They
are
for
public
use
fact
number
two:
the
coastal
management
element
of
the
city
of
Punta
gorda's,
comprehensive
plan,
States
and
policy
2
28.4.2.4
quote
the
city
shall
continue
to
preserve
existing
Shoreline
parks
and
conservation
areas
through
Property
Maintenance
and
appropriate,
appropriate
Land,
Development
and
zoning
regulations.
This
development
requires
a
drastic
change
to
the
zoning,
which
will
give
the
developer
permission
to
build
at
a
much
higher
density
along
an
estuary
Waterway
within
a
residential
neighborhood.
N
This
development
is
simply
not
cohesive
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
Therefore,
we
cannot
allow
it
to
proceed
with
rezoning
fact:
number
three
building
Heights
the
petitioners
asking
for
approval
of
87
to
100
foot
building
Heights,
which
is
approximately
twice
the
current
allowed
height.
The
city
has
even
allowed
the
developer
to
use
least
submerged
land
owned
by
the
state
to
help
calculate
into
their
density,
thereby
giving
them
the
developer
an
incentive
to
construct
multiple
tall
buildings,
the
city
of
Punta
gorda's,
own
comprehensive
plan
for
future
land
use,
specifically
States
in
its
executive
summary.
N
The
primary
purpose
of
the
future
land
use
element
is
to
Define
The
Logical
pattern
of
the
development
for
the
city,
including
the
protection
of
important
historical,
environmental
and
neighborhood
resources.
Please
ask
yourselves:
does
this
development
fit
The
Logical
pattern
of
our
neighborhoods,
which
is
located
along
an
estuary
on
mostly
one-way
streets?
N
U
We
are
already
paying
social
costs
for
change,
such
as
traffic
in
town,
going
to
CVS
and
having
16
people
standing
in
line
at
the
pharmacy,
finding
any
kind
of
suitable
parking,
which
is
already
a
problem
at
fishville,
finding
wait
times
at
restaurants
going
to
Publix
and
waiting
for
a
cart
because
they're
still
out
in
the
parking
lot.
That's
actually
happened
to
me
twice:
let's
see
trying
to
schedule
doctor
appointments.
Well,
we've
heard
a
lot
of
this
before,
but
we
still
can
make
our
own
list.
U
E
V
My
name
is
Dr
Deborah
Lux,
U.S,
Navy,
veteran
I
am
going
to
speak,
even
though
it
may
be
part
of
it.
Fisherman's
Village
developers
are
asking
for
zoning
and
be
changed
to
plan
development.
Neighborhood.
Please
keep
it
as
professional
office.
Why
5.9
B5
States
no
PD
plan
should
be
considered
unless
the
city
council
finds
the
proposed
plan.
Development
promotes
public
health
safety
and
Welfare.
Does
it
5.9
ba
States
is
in
Conformity
with
the
comprehensive
plan?
No
other
condos
single
family
residents
or
surrounding
businesses
are
asking
for
this
change
in
zoning.
V
Only
the
developer
is
requesting
this
5.9
B5
and
5.3
U
States
most
it
is
it
compatible
with
the
surrounding
areas
and
development.
Most
condos
and
businesses
in
the
immediate
surrounding
area
are
only
one
and
two
stories.
High
developers
want
buildings,
oversized
Mass
high
density
apartments
and
buildings.
There
are
no
other
eight-story
buildings
anywhere
in
our
community.
No
surrounding
buildings
have
a
1.596
dwelling
units
per
Acres
like
the
developer
is
asking
for
5.9
B.
Also
States
adequately
accommodates
anticipated
motor
vehicle
traffic
volumes,
including
emergency
vehicle
access.
According
to
the
staff
report,
additional
studies
are
needed.
V
This
area
has
been
number
one
and
number
two
in
crash
reports
even
before
this
development
is
occurring,
and
there
is
no
room
for
expansion
with
the
roads
already
having
existing
buildings.
The
developer
States,
while
the
requested
map
amendment
is
only
17.13
Acres.
Many
of
the
materials
supporting
this
large
30.5
PDN
have
been
included
in
the
applications
request.
This
is
not
acceptable.
V
Why
6.4,
no
part
of
a
required
yard
or
other
required
open
space
or
required
off-street
parking
is
provided
in
connection
with
any
building
structure
or
use
that
shall
be
included
as
meeting
the
requirements
for
any
other
building
structure
or
use
the
developers
using
the
marina
city
streets
Parks.
It's
in
violation
of
this.
V
By
the
way,
please
do
not
give
up
to
anyone
our
city,
streets
or
parks,
6.7
in
any
District,
more
than
one
structure
is
permitted
and
provided
that
yard
area
and
other
requirements
in
these
regulations
shall
be
met
for
each
structure
as
though
it
were
on
its
own
individual,
separate
lab.
The
developer
keeps
referencing
existing
buildings
and
land
to
obtain
their
commercial
percentage
and
density.
V
This
also
is
in
violation,
because
each
building
needs
to
be
its
own
entity,
there's
no
benefit
for
the
city
or
its
residents
to
have
the
developers
parcel
be
changed
to
PDN,
allowing
this
approval
only
opens
a
can
of
worms
and
causes
a
domino
effect
by
allowing
other
developers
to
request
the
same
high
density.
Zoning
I'm
asking
you
to
look
at
the
impact
your
decision
will
make
on
this
quaint
historic
town.
What
we
call
Florida's
Harborside
Hometown.
Please
do
not
destroy
our
Paradise
that
we
call
home.
V
W
X
There
was
Speech,
then
signs
flags
and
now
guns
rethink
what
you're
doing
we
don't
need
lawsuits,
it's
not
written
in
my
opinion
properly
and
lastly,
I
really
hope
our
council
members
do
the
right
thing
for
our
city
and
say
no
to
rezoning,
say
no
to
giving
up
the
city-owned
land,
streets
and
parks
say
no
to
any
encroachments
and
tell
Fisherman's
Village
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
be
realistic
being
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area
of
Punta.
Gorda
is
Florida's
whom
Harbor
front
Hometown,
not
an
urban
city.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
C
My
name
is
Mike
Polk
and
I'm
speaking
as
a
resident
and
I'm
against
the
Fisherman's
Village
rezoning,
you
don't
know
the
total
size
of
the
buildings
planned
for
the
site.
You
don't
know
the
land
size
of
the
sites
the
developer
actually
owns.
The
current
submittal
includes
8.686
Acres
of
submerged
land
area
owned
by
the
state
of
Florida,
as
well
as
land
owned
by
the
city.
C
You
don't
know
if
there
will
be
adequate
parking
for
the
existing
and
proposed
improvements,
there's
no
site
plan
that
shows
all
the
parking
required
for
the
site
and
the
layout
of
the
spaces.
A
small
scale
developer
would
be
required
to
submit
building
plans
that
show
the
size
of
the
buildings,
a
site
plan,
showing
setbacks
and
parking
spaces
and
a
storm
water
retention
plan.
The
developer
has
not
provided
any
of
the
above.
C
The
developer
is
asking
you
to
write
a
blank
check
by
approving
this
plan,
development
that
may
negatively
impact
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
this
community
for
years
to
come.
The
developer
owns
an
additional
two
acres
across
the
street
and
after
he
has
maxed
out
all
the
density
he
can
fit
on
the
existing
side.
He
will
amend
the
PD
and
do
a
density
dump
across
the
street
likely
doubling
or
tripling
the
density
of
that
parcel.
C
I
have
estimated
the
total
size
of
the
mixed
use
project
at
approximately
720
000
square
feet
based
on
the
actual
sizes
of
existing
buildings
and
my
projections
on
the
proposed
buildings.
This
is
a
large-scale
project.
To
put
this
in
perspective,
the
Town
Center
mall
contains
approximately
930
000
square
feet.
C
However,
the
mall
is
situated
on
a
77
acre
parcelon
has
a
building
coverage
ratio
of
approximately
28
percent,
while
existing
and
proposed
Fisherman's
Village
sites
contain
approximately
19.63
Acres
according
to
Property
Appraiser,
and
the
coverage
ratio
will
be
approximately
84
percent
or
three
times
the
density
of
the
mall.
Imagine
what
a
84
coverage
ratio
is
going
to
look
like
on
Marion
Avenue.
C
C
These
types
of
densities
will
have
a
negative
impact
on
existing
infrastructure
of
the
area
and
I,
don't
see
the
public
benefit
that
outweighs
the
potential
health,
safety
and
Welfare
concerns
of
the
project.
By
allowing
the
granting
of
the
petitioners
request,
the
city
will
be
setting
a
dangerous
precedent
that
will
set
a
benchmark
for
building
Heights
and
densities
that
future
developers
will
expect
to
be
replicated.
C
Z
Z
Z
After
reading
the
sorry
I
mean
this
thing
just
keeps
moving
around
on
me
here
after
reading
some
of
the
detailed
proposal
here
on
this
on
this
development,
it's
clear
that
the
site
cannot
support
the
proposed
development.
It
seems
that
there
are
so
many
inaccuracies
and
distortions
of
fact
in
The
Proposal
that
it
must
border
on
illegal.
This
development
will
ruin
the
trauma
of
the
existing
facility
as
well
as
the
surrounding
area
and
will
be
all
but
inaccessible
with
a
dramatic
increase
in
home
values.
You
already
have
far
more
tax
revenue
than
you
need.
Z
Most
of
us
happily
pay
these
high
taxes
in
exchange
for
preserving
this
town.
The
way
it
is
and
has
been,
the
small
town
does
not
need
or
want
another
high-rise,
high
density
monstrosity
like
Sunseeker
Resort.
Please
listen
to
your
constituents
and
vote
no
on
the
Fisherman's
Village
Development
proposal.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
J
E
Never
owned
the
buildings
where
Fisherman's
Village
exists,
the
city
owned
the
land,
Fisherman's
Village,
sits
on.
We
never
owned
the
buildings.
So
I
want
to
be
really
clear
about
that.
I
know.
There
has
been
a
lot
of
things
on
social
media
about
that.
The
city
never
sold
Fisherman's
Village
to
Fisherman's
Village,
the
city
sold
the
land
to
Fisherman's
Village
in
2015..
That's
all
they
need
to
say.
AB
Brian
Blankenship,
a
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
I,
understand
that
the
council
is
open
to
compromise
on
the
codes
and
ordinances.
So
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
there's
a
number
of
35
mile
an
hour
speed
limits.
I
would
like
those
raised
to
100
miles
per
hour.
However,
I'm
willing
to
compromise
and
suggest
an
80
mile,
an
hour
limit
would
be
satisfactory.
Also
I
understand
the
council
is
open
to
giving
away
private
property.
I
mean
sorry
public
property
private
entities
I
would
like
Ponce
Park.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
AC
Hi,
my
name
is
John
Ford
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
the
city,
the
my
wife
and
I
came
down
here
and
settled
here.
We
were
just
passing
through,
and
this
just
happened
to
be
a
good
place
to
stop.
Well,
we
stopped
and
we're
still
here
and
and
we're
here.
You
know
the
competitors.
I've
lived
in
Carlsbad
California
for
a
long
time
and
had
investment
property
out
there
and
that's
a
nice
nice
place.
AC
Have
you
ever
been
there
and
I
I,
also
like
the
Annapolis
Area
and
that's
kind
of
where
I
always
thought
I'd
be.
But
after
a
two-day
visit
we're
here
and
and
we're
standing,
we
love
it
here.
Well,
in
one
of
my
jobs,
after
I
retired
from
27
years
in
the
Marine
Corps
I
was
the
director
of
disaster
recovery
for
the
state
of
Pennsylvania,
so
and
I
also
served
as
a
State
Coordinating
Officer
in
the
governor's
authorized
representative
when
it
came
to
disasters
the
buck
stopped
with
me.
AC
Well,
one
thing
that
happened:
you
all
had
that
big
hurricane
back
there,
which
you
all
know
the
name
of
you
know
I,
had
Ivan
Lee,
Sandy
Francis,
Michael
Etc,
the
the
one
thing
that
happened
is
all
those
female
femite
people
that
worked
down
here.
They
descended
on
me
about
750
of
them.
Well,
there
was
a
group
of
them.
That
said,
hey
we
held
these
Community
meetings
in
Punta
Gorda
and
we
thought
that
was
a
great
idea
and
we
think
you
ought
to
do
it
now.
AC
I
have
a
staff
which
I
grew
like
yours:
I
hired
a
bunch
of
people
that
already
retired
were
experts,
expert
engineers
and
whatnot
to
do
these
17
000
projects
that
I
had
to
get
written
so
I
hired
all
those
people
but
but
anyways
back
to
the
planning.
Now
I've
got
to
send
people
to
meetings
in
these
towns
and
cities
to
do
what
Punta
Gorda
did
so
you
know
I
did
and
initially
I
was
like
you
know,
so
you
know
one
night
a
week
for
three
hours.
They
would
be
out
there.
AC
W
AD
Aleister
chelski
I'm,
going
to
talk
from
first
hand,
experience
hubby
and
I
left
the
community
to
come
to
Punta
Gorda,
based
on
the
experiences
we
were
having
on
a
beachfront
Waterfront
Community.
We
saw
an
increase
in
crime,
murders
and
very
very
bad
experiences
with
our
community
I'm.
Just
saying
what
we
see:
Happening
Here
in
Punta
Gorda,
with
the
tremendous
amount
of
buildings
and
growing
on.
You
have
no
idea
what
you're
in
for.
AE
Good
morning
my
name
is
Christine.
Harvel
I
have
been
here
since
2015..
My
husband
was
looking
for
a
place
for
us
to
retire
a
little
bit
before
ahead
of
our
eligibility
to
retire.
We
were
looking
for
a
place
that
we
could
purchase
a
home
and
still
afford
to
keep
our
home
in
in
the
Pocono
Mountains
in
Pennsylvania.
AE
So
we
were
looking
online
and
each
time
that
I
saw
a
house
that
was
very
affordable
and
wonderful
and
had
everything
that
I
wanted.
My
realtor
would
say:
that's
OTB,
you
don't
want
to
live
there
and
he
explained
to
me
that
OTB
was
over
the
bridge
where
everything
is
ever
so
different
than
it
is
here,
and
he
said
you
know,
there's
no
big
box
stores,
there's
no
fast
food,
restaurants
and
I
thought
well.
Who
cares
about
that?
AE
AD
AE
A
little
bit
less
action
happening
here
and
when
we
got
here,
I
thought
you
know
it
looks
really
cool
over
in
Sarasota.
There's
a
lot
happening
in
Fort,
Myers,
wow,
I,
really,
love
Naples,
but
then
I
would
drive
there
and
I
would
get
stuck
in
traffic
and
I
would
be
anything
less
than
peaceful
and
I
never
moved
out
of
this
area,
even
though
I
drug,
my
husband
every
weekend
to
look
at
properties
in
other
places.
AE
It's
really
special
here
and
I.
Think
people
who
have
lived
here
longer
than
me
know
and
feel
that
even
more
last
thing
I'm
going
to
share
is
that,
within
a
couple
of
months
of
buying,
my
home
I
received
a
letter,
a
citation
from
the
city
for
a
fine
for
250
dollars
to
tell
me
that
my
roof
was
dirty
and
it
needed
to
be
cleaned
properly
or
I
would
have
this
citation
stick
within
14
days.
AE
Little
rules
like
that
exist
here
in
Punta
Gorda.
You
can't
have
a
boat
trailer
in
our
neighborhood.
You
can't
park
an
RV
in
your
driveway
without
a
permit.
All
these
tiny
little
things
exist
for
a
reason.
It's
to
keep
this
area
as
pristine
and
special
and
without
blight
as
it
is
today.
I
can't
imagine
what
this
project
would
ever
do.
The
rules
are
there
to
be
followed
not
to
be
changed
at
when.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
AF
N
AG
AF
D
AH
AH
It's
it's
not
about
development,
we're
not
hard
charging
people
anymore.
We
enjoy
the
quality
of
life
and
the
peace
and
quiet
and
the
nature
and
the
Waterfront
that
you
individuals,
Came
To,
Love,
the
Boating,
the
recreation
allowing
our
grandchildren
and
children.
I
have
an
18
19
year
old
son
I
am
aware
of
the
fact
that
he
will
move
because
there
aren't
jobs
available.
AH
You
should
respect
the
wishes
of
the
community
who
lives
here.
They
don't
want
a
huge
development.
They
want
ease
of
living
and
to
respect
their
disabilities
of
aging
and
the
requirements
that
they
need
to
exist
on
a
level
and
especially
with
the
prices
and
the
commitments,
Financial
commitments
that
they've
put
into
their
homes
and
and
supported
the
community
Through
many
charitable
foundations.
Thank
you.
AI
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
My
name
is
Nia
mcanally
I'm,
a
new
resident
here
in
Punta
Gorda
in
the
last
year,
I
have
lived
in
a
lot
of
countries
and
a
lot
of
different
cities
of
the
United
States
and
I've
attended
certain
meetings
like
this,
where
there
has
been
a
contentious
issue
coming
to
the
fore.
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
a
typical
turnout,
because
it's
my
first
time
at
one
of
your
meetings.
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
a
typical
turnout
or
if
it's
larger
than
normal
I
do
know.
AI
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out,
is
it's
nine
o'clock.
In
the
morning
the
meeting
is
held.
Not
everybody
in
the
community
is
old.
Some
of
us
are
still
working
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
I'm
assuming
here
in
Punta
Gorda,
who
are
not
able
to
attend
this
meeting
and
have
their
voices
heard.
I
am
in
a
particular
position
where
I
can
take
the
day
off
because
I
work
for
myself
but
I'd
like
you
to
read
the
room.
Thank
you
so
much.
AJ
Hi
good
morning
my
name
is
Gary
Krieger
I'm,
a
relatively
new
resident
of
Punta
Gorda,
we've
purchased
down
here
and
just
were
able
to
move
in
last
year.
This
is
a
beautiful
small
town,
American
community
large
developments
do
not
hold
a
place
and
destroy
the
Ambiance
and
the
of
the
general
feeling
of
Serenity
and
Beauty
in
the
place
like
Punta
Gorda.
AJ
When
you
look
at
the
audience-
and
you
see
the
people
here
and
the
speakers
that
are
speaking
generally,
people
don't
come
out
in
Mass
and
generally
when
you
have
a
room,
that's
full
like
this.
It
represents
dramatically
larger
numbers
of
citizens
that
that
don't
believe
in
what's
going
on
with
the
development
ideas.
So
please,
please
don't
don't
allow
this
community
to
be
destroyed
by
large
developments.
Thank
you.
AG
E
AK
AK
E
G
G
G
Well,
the
applicant
has
made
the
request.
So
yes,
let's
hear
from
the
applicant
and
while
he's
coming
forward,
let
me
go
ahead
and
read
from
the
city's
rules
of
procedure,
as
it
relates
to
continuances,
says
the
city,
council
or
board
shall
consider
requests
for
continuances
made
by
City
staff,
the
applicant
for
party
intervener
and
may
Grant
continuances
in
its
sole
discretion.
G
If,
in
the
opinion
of
the
city,
council
or
board,
any
testimony
or
documentary
evidence
or
information
presented
at
the
hearing,
justifies
allowing
additional
research
or
review
in
order
to
properly
determine
the
issue
presented,
then
the
city,
council
or
board
may
continue
the
matter
to
a
Time
certain
to
allow
for
such
research
or
review.
I'd
like
to
say
two
things.
First
of
all,
while
most
public
hearings
require
just
one
public
hearing,
public
hearings
relating
to
large-scale
rezonings
or
rezonings
in
general
require
two
public
hearings
and
same
is
true
for
the
the
comp
plan.
G
Amendment
and
I
also
want
to
State
for
the
record
just
to
respond
to
the
statement
that
was
made
for
the
record
earlier
by
attorney
for
Fisherman's
Village.
The
mayor
stated
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
that
any
testimony
or
or
evidence
that
will
be
considered
during
the
quasi-judicial
hearings
will
only
be
that
that's
presented
during
the
course
of
the
public
hearing
and
that
any
test.
Any
statements
that
were
made
during
the
public
open
for
public
comment
are
not
to
be
considered
as
evidence
in
those
public
hearings
and
the
city
council
is
well
aware
of
that.
T
You
mayor,
my
name
is
Jake
Kramer
I'm,
a
land
use
attorney
at
Stearns,
Weaver,
Miller
nice
to
be
before
you
today
in
your
beautiful
city,
I
appreciate
the
time
mayor
and
council
members.
We
we
asked
for
this
continuance
because
we
think
we
need
more
time
to
get
it
right
and
I'm
going
to.
Let
you
hear
directly
from
the
applicant
in
just
a
moment,
but
I
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things.
T
The
first
thing
is
that
there's
a
fundamental
issue
of
making
sure
we
get
it
right
and
calculating
the
density
correctly
in
any
land
use
application.
That's
the
first
fact
that
we
all
need
to
know
you
all
us
and
the
public
and
on
Friday
evening
when
the
agenda
package
was
released.
That
was
the
first
time
we
saw
in
writing
an
interpretation
by
the
city
that
the
density
would
be
calculated
a
somewhat
different
way
than
we
had
been
operating
under
from
early
on
in
this
project
and
again
we
want
to
get
it
right.
T
We
got
our
survey
team
and
our
Engineers
to
work
as
soon
as
we
found
that
out
Friday
evening.
We've
only
had
one
business
day
since
then,
and
we
have
not
been
able
to
confirm
all
of
those
numbers
in
the
report,
so
this
is
really
a
fundamental
issue
that
we
need
time
to
research
review
and
get
right.
T
We
think
that
falls
squarely
within
your
rules
as
well
as
the
case
law
that
talks
about
continuances
and
it
would
really
be
prejudicial
and
due
process
issue
to
require
us
to
go
forward
at
this
point
for
such
a
fundamental
issue.
On
a
more
practical
note,
we
also
received
fairly
recently
the
request,
with
a
lot
of
information
from
the
interveners
we'd,
like
to
take
the
time
to
review
that
again
with
our
experts.
More
experts
may
be
needed
to
address
some
of
that.
We've
also
reached
out
to
the
interveners
to
request
meetings.
T
I
understand
there
have
been
meetings
with
others
in
the
community
in
the
past
and
and
I'm
just
just
now
getting
involved
in
this
case.
So
we
do
want
to
work
with
them
and
hopefully
make
your
decision
easier
and
at
least
narrow
the
issues
as
much
as
possible
and
stranger
things
have
happened.
We
may
be
able
to
work
through
some
of
these
issues
so
with
that
I'd,
just
like
you
to
hear
directly
from
the
applicant
briefly.
Thank
you.
AL
For
several
years
our
team
has
been
working
diligently
to
bring
this
planned
development
project
to
fruition,
project
that
would
help
guide
the
future
growth
of
Fisherman's
Village
and
the
growth
of
our
city.
We
believed
wholeheartedly
that
the
face
project
was
done
in
the
best
interest
of
future
growth.
AL
We
initially
requested
a
30-day
continuance,
but
quickly
concluded
that
it
would
be
impossible
to
produce
a
well-fought
out
revision
of
a
complex
pant
plan
that
took
several
years
to
produce
in
only
a
few
weeks,
as
well
as
staff,
to
review
our
plans
so
to
ensure
that
we
have
time
to
address
as
many
of
our
community's
concerns
as
possible.
We
are
now
requesting
a
90-day
continuance.
AL
This
90-day
continuance
will
allow
us
to
once
again
involve
the
community
I'm.
Sorry
buddy,
that's
fine!
This
it's
important
to
all
of
us.
Of
course
it
is,
and
we
understand
that
this
90-day
continuance
will
allow
us
to
once
again
involve
the
community
Chambers
neighbors,
our
historic
district,
Association
City
staff
and
meet
with
new
groups
like
smart
growth,
Punta
Gorda,
to
ensure
that
we
have
time
to
address
as
many
of
our
communities
concern
like
height
traffic
density
and
parking.
AL
Sorry,
and
not
torn
apart
on
sites
like
next
door
with
not
the
facts.
This
is
not
what
we
need
to
be
I
understand
that
time
and
money
have
been
invested
to
protest
our
project,
your
time
and
money
has
not
been
wasted.
We
have
heard
you,
we
are
part
of
this
community
and
the
community
is
obviously
part
of
us.
We
have
been
good
Community
Partners
for
44
years,
I.
AL
Ask
for
your
consideration
today
to
allow
us
to
work
towards
a
win-win
solution
with
our
community,
and
we
feel
that
this
is
in
the
spirit
of
the
acquisition
acquisition
agreement.
I'm
sorry
I
got
emotional
and
thank
you
thank
you,
and
and
thank
you
for
listening,
and
we
hope
that
we
can
have
a
90-day
continuance.
AL
G
K
I
would
just
like
to
start
off
by
throwing
on
the
table
the
third
option.
I
know
that
it's
very
confusing
what
what
process?
Sometimes
we
do
as
a
city
and
I
know
that
it
was
advertised
as
a
continuance
request,
but
I
also
know
it
was
already
advertised
in
the
paper
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
public
hearing.
So
I
would
like
to
see
the
public
hearing
opened,
allow
the
applicants
here
to
hear
the
public
and
their
comments
and
then
again
just
for
on
the
record
so
everybody's
aware
of
the
process.
K
There
will
be
another
public
hearing,
so
it's
not
as
if
the
people
that
said
well
I
knew
there
was
a
continuance.
I
didn't
come,
I
won't
get
to
speak.
You
will,
as
Mr
Levin
just
stated,
but
I
feel
like
we're
here
and
the
applicants
here,
and
it
would
be
good
opportunity
to
proceed
with
the
public
comments
and
then
discuss
the
continuance.
As
far
as
how
many
days
I
have
an
opinion
on
that,
but
I'll
Reserve
that
for
later
mark.
A
I
would
be
in
favor
of
granting
the
90-day
continuance
on
both
public
hearings.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
give
full
and
complete
consideration
to
this
project.
I
absolutely
agree
that
the
Fisherman's
Village
folks
have
been
completely
transparent
on
this
they've
held
multiple
public
meetings
on
this
that
they
weren't
required
to
do,
but
they
did
that
in
order
to
make
sure
that
everybody
had
as
much
of
the
facts
as
they
can
as
much
as
those
tend
to
get
twisted.
A
They
put
did
put
out
the
facts,
as
they
are
I
think
they're
being
good
Community
Partners
in
trying
to
resolve
some
of
the
issues
as
they
said
they
heard
you
they
they
are.
They
want
this
time
to
try
to
get
this
right.
They
have
the
right
to
develop
their
property.
They
want
to
do
it
right
if
we
do
the
public
hearing
today,
it
sounds
to
me
like
so
much
of
what
they're
proposing
could
change
that.
It
makes
what
we
would
do
today
irrelevant
and
a
waste
of
time.
A
I'd
say:
there's
no
harm
in
giving
them
the
full
continuance
that
they're
asking
for.
Let
them
sort
this
out.
Let
them
have
additional
public
meetings
and
then
we
go
forward
with
it.
We
go
forward
with
it
once
I
think
it
would
be
too
confusing
to
try
to
start
it
now
and
then
have
everything
change
and
then
have
to
go
through
it
all
again.
I
I
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we
we
Grant
the
full
90-day
continuance
for
both
public
hearings,
I'd.
L
L
The
caring
is
going
to
be
about
a
plan
that
they
may
not
be
coming
back
with.
I
guess
I
mean
that
was
the
intent
that
I
heard
was
that
they
hit
the
four
things
that
I
care
about
and
that
I
hear
from
my
constituents
group.
The
only
thing
I
would
ask,
though
the
interveners,
so
they
would
be
held
to
we
wouldn't
hear
from
them.
If
we
don't
do
the
Fisherman's
Village
part.
G
L
G
That's
that
the
applicant
has
filed
I,
don't
think
it
would
hurt
any
if
the
interveners
were
given
an
opportunity
to
express
whether
they
were
opposed
to
that
continuance
or
an
agreement
to
that
continuance,
because,
as
as
through
the
action
of
the
mayor
earlier
in
this
meeting,
they
were
granted
party
status.
So
they
I
think
it'd
be
appropriate
to
hear
from
them
before
a
vote's
taken.
Okay,.
L
The
other
comment
I
would
make
and
I'm
sure
not
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
attend
the
Planning,
Commission
or
watch
the
replay
of
the
Planning
Commission,
but
you
know
I
for
one
I
went
to
it.
I've
heard
their
presentation
several
times.
I
I
can't
believe
anything
they're
going
to
present
today
is
going
to
be
any
different
than
that.
But
yet
it's
clear
their
intention
is
to
alter
their
proposal.
So
I,
guess
that's
why
I'm
saying
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
good
use
of
time
to
have
them
go
through
it
again.
B
Sure
you
know
I
I,
think
our
good
friends
here
in
the
city
obviously
saw
the
data
that
was
put
out
what
they
were
going
to
propose,
but
obviously
they
have
listened
and
they're
going
to
change.
It
so
I
think
having
the
hearing
today.
I
want
to
see.
What's
new
I
want
to
see,
what's
coming
down
the
pipe
from
them,
because
the
citizens
out
there
have
a
lot
of
concerns,
as
do
I
so
in
their
planning.
I
would
hope
that
they
would
look
at
that
vacating
of
redicas.
That's
something.
K
K
So
it's
not
taken
into
testimony
if
we
allow
the
public
to
to
to
do
this
today,
I
think
it
allows
the
applicant
to
hear
all
the
different
different
information
go
back
to
whatever
they're
going
to
do
and
I
I
can't
say
that
no
one
is
definitively
said,
they're
changing
anything
first
off,
so
I
would
like
to
say
that
on
the
record,
but
if
they
want
to
get
it
right,
that's
fine!
If
that's
what
they
feel,
but
I
think
they
need
to
hear
the
public.
Take
that
back
with
them.
K
If
we
go
to
a
continuance
where
we
start
over,
essentially
we
go
to
a
first
public
hearing.
Then
what
if
something's
brought
up
in
that
public
hearing
now
they're
going
to
change
it
again
and
now
we're
back
to
you
know
we're
kind
of
delaying
things
I
think
if
we
allow
some
of
the
pub
The
public's
here
and
they
want
to
speak
in
a
quasi-judicial
manner.
I
will
also
say
that
I
am
100
against
90
days.
I.
Think
that's
too
long!
This
has
been
something
that's
been
going
on
for
a
very
long
time.
E
I
am
of
complete
agreement
with
Melissa
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
public
hearing
go
forward
today.
Let
everyone
do
their
their
presentations.
Let
citizens
who
all
took
time
out
of
their
schedules
to
be
here
today
voice
their
comments.
Let's
let
Fisherman's
Village
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
come
back
with
a
revised
plan.
If
that,
if
it's
that's
going
to
be,
what's
going
to
happen,
we
don't
know
what
the
as
Melissa
stated.
A
So
they've
already
heard
the
public
comments
and
I,
don't
think
they're
going
to
hear
any
public
comments
that
are
any
different
than
what
they've
heard
and
I
think
they've
made
it
clear
that
they
want
to
address
those
comments
and
they
want
to
revise
their
plan.
So
people
will
get
a
chance
when
we
actually
hold
the
public
hearings.
A
What's
the
difference,
there
is
no
harm
in
doing
this
right,
I
think
if
we,
if
we
try
to
to
force
this
for
whatever
reason
so
that
it
goes
forward
today
and
and
it
it
it
just,
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
to
do
that.
We
need
to
give
them
the
we
need
to
give
them
the
time
that
they're
asking
for
if
they
say
that
they
need
time
to
get
this
right.
Let's
give
them
a
time
to
get
it
right.
What
what
is
the
harm
in
doing
that?
I
see
no
harm.
K
K
Right,
which,
which
is
not
somebody
we've
heard
from
before
under
General
comments,
and
it's
not
something
any
material
that
we
may
or
may
not
have
already
heard.
So
this
could
be
new
information
and
I.
Just
think
for
you
know,
we
I'm
sure
Fisherman's
Village
wants
to
move
things
along
I
know,
I
want
to
move
things
along
and
I
want
everybody
to
get
it
right,
but
I
feel
like
if
we
have
interveners
here
that
have
taken
the
time
and
they're
here
and
they're
ready
to
speak
I
think
we
allow
them
to
speak
at
the
public
comments.
K
There
may
be
something
that
comes
up
that
Fisherman's
Village
can
also
make
notes
with
and
take
that
back
with
everything.
If
we
go
to
90
days
and
now
we
have
to
go
through
all
this
again
we're
going
to
the
first
public
hearing
and
if
something
comes
up
that
wasn't
discussed
before
then
I
think
we're
just
back
to
the
drawing
board.
So.
G
G
The
the
question
at
the
moment
is:
we've:
the
city's
received
a
request
for
a
continuance
as
interviewers
the
city
would
be
entitled
to,
or
you'd
be
entitled
to
give
your
input
on
the
request
for
continuance.
That
would
also
be
taken
into
consideration
by
the
city
council
before
they
make
their
determination.
E
AA
I
would
probably,
if
I
were
in
your
position,
I
would
Grant,
maybe
something
less
than
90
days.
90
days
gets
us
to
where
some
of
the
residents
are
going
back
to
their
Northern
residences,
so
I
think
we
would
be
as
much
input
as
that
or
as
much
weight
as
that
gives
we
would
be
in
agreement
to
some
type
of
continuance.
AA
C
AM
C
C
AM
And
then
was
told
that
we
had
to
turn
in
our
presentation
the
day
after
tomorrow
it
was
like
the
Friday
because
of
seven
business
days
and
Martin
Luther
King
holiday.
So
we
had
next
in
no
time.
That's
why
the
slides
weren't
in
the
right
order,
because
you
know
it-
was
it
hurry
up
and
had
a
number
of
hours
to
put
in
our
presentation.
So
that
didn't
seem
fair.
C
E
L
L
I
guess
my
objection
is
that
I
agree
with
with
Mark
that
to
hear
a
Fisherman's
Village
proposal.
That
is
not
their
proposal,
which
they've
already
indicated.
That's
not
going
to
be
the
proposal
that
that's
not
a
good
use
of
time.
If
there
was
some
way
to
hear
the
public
comments
about
what's
already
and
if
we
can't
do
that,
then
I'm
saying
let's
continue
it.
K
G
A
AC
G
D
G
E
E
G
Only
in
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
amending
chapter
15,
offenses
and
miscellaneous
Provisions
I
want
to
go
to
code,
amending
Chapter,
15,
Section,
15-1
definitions,
I
want
to
go
to
code,
amending
Chapter,
15,
Section
15-37,
carrying
concealed
weapons
penalty
officer
to
arrest
without
warrant
and
upon
probable
cause,
but
I'm
going
to
code
amending
Chapter,
15,
Section,
15-38,
improper
exhibition
of
dangerous
weapons
or
Firearms
penalty,
Punta,
Gorda
code
providing
for
conflict
and
cerebellum
and
providing
an
effective
date.
And
if
I
might
I'll.
G
Just
give
a
predicate
to
this
ordinance
during
public
comment
a
couple
of
months
ago
or
back
in
December
end
of
November
I.
Don't
really
call
exactly
which
a
member
of
the
public
brought
to
the
cities
tension
that
the
city's
code
Provisions,
the
ones
I
that
were
just
mentioned
in
the
title,
are
in
violation
of
the
Second
Amendment
to
the
U.S
Constitution
and
in
particular,
that
they
conflicted
with
State
statutes
on
the
subject
matter.
And
the
truth
matter
is
that
in
almost
20
years
that
I've
been
City
attorney.
G
And
so
the
city's
police
department
will
continue
to
enforce
the
provisions
of
state
law
and
there
won't
be
anything
in
our
code
of
ordinances.
That
could
arguably
could
be
considered
to
be
inconsistent
with
state
law
on
the
matter.
So
that's
that's!
Where
we're
at
that's
all.
We
got
here
today
and-
and
there
shouldn't
be
much
controversy
over
the
deletion
of
those
Provisions
from
our
code-
would
suggest
that
the
city
council
favorably
consider
that.
G
To
the
extent
that
it
regulates
anything
but
Firearms,
yes
right,
we
we
expressly
prohibited
excluded
firearms
from
the
definition
of
the
word
weapons
and
the
word
weapons
was
used
in
several
places
in
those
ordinances
but
and
there's
state
law.
That's
clear
that
the
regulation
of
firearms
is
preempted
preempted
to
the
state,
but
but
the
definition
of
weapons
includes
a
lot
of
weapons
other
than
Firearms
I.
Think
that
was
kind
of
what
the
intent
of
this
ordinance
was
back
when
it
was
adopted
in
the
70s
and
and
amended
in
the
80s.
K
G
As
far
as
I
know
have
been
enforcing
the
state
statute,
not
the
city,
ordinance
and
and-
and
it
may
also
be
as
part
of
History
cities
used
to
have
their
own
municipal
courts,
and
it
was
important
at
that
time.
When
this,
when
City
violations
were
presented
to
the
city
courts,
the
municipal
courts
to
have
their
own
ordinances.
That
would
be
heard
by
Municipal
judges.
For
as
long
as
I
can
remember.
G
AI
G
E
Y
Well,
the
article
was
pretty
interesting
reading
it
this
morning
and
thank
you
for
your
clarification
on
it.
Now
this
to
me
sounds
like
a
very
good
thing.
This
is
a
positive
direction,
getting
rid
of
something
like
that,
because
when
I
read
it
I
have
visions
of
of
an
older
84
year
old
lady,
that
I
know
with
her
cane
and
she
can
she's
quite
independent
and
sassy,
and
some
people
might
construe
that
for
having
a
bad
day.
Y
Our
Second
Amendment
is
very
important
and
our
fathers,
our
forefathers,
our
grandfathers,
fought
for
us
to
have
these
rights.
That
is
important.
That
is
our
right
as
a
citizen,
and
we
all
have
a
right
to
protect
ourselves.
Somebody
comes
to
your
house
to
harm
you.
You
have
a
right
to
protect
yourself.
Y
E
G
An
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
many,
the
city
of
hundred
border,
comprehensive,
terribly
sorry
for
the
record.
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
First
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city,
amending
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
map
to
reflect
the
change
in
the
current
designation
of
Highway
commercial
Corridor
to
medium
density,
residential
for
28.58,
plus
or
minus
Acres.
H
Good
morning
Lisa
hand,
zoning
official
that
have
been
sworn
Urban.
Design
staff
would
like
to
enter
our
staff
report
into
the
record
in
its
entirety
by
reference.
So
as
Mr
Levin
stated
that
this
is
a
conference
of
plan,
future
land
use
Amendment
for
a
portion
of
the
property
out
at
the
Jones
Loop
Road
area.
H
H
In
that
interlocal
agreement,
there's
residential
density
cap
for
what
is
there
unless
there's
a
transfer
of
density
units?
The
total
density
units
that
right
now
are
450.
Parkside,
Punta
Gorda,
which
is
currently
under
construction,
was
allocated
297
of
those
units
seagrass.
The
subdivision
to
the
South
is
in
process
with
the
subdivision
process
at
240
density
units
and
what
is
proposed
for
seacove
is
146
units.
It
gives
them
a
deficit
of
233
density
units.
H
H
Concurrency
requirements:
it
is
an
existing
roadway
Network
and
will
accommodate
the
background
and
project
in
Project
traffic.
However,
staff
is
recommending
Indian
Springs
Road
as
their
primary
Ingress
egress
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewer.
It
is
within
the
utility
service
area.
No
distribution
lines
to
the
actual
project
have
been
constructed
at
this
time,
as
well
as
Wastewater
collection
system
is
not
constructed
to
the
project
area,
storm,
water
and
drainage.
The
project
contains
a
storm
water
lake
and
that
will
be
further
reviewed
for
concurrency
and
sufficiency
at
development.
H
Review,
Committee,
DRC
application,
submittal
solid
way,
sufficient
capacity
through
the
2030
projection,
Parks
and
Recreation
provides
a
little
over
half
an
acre
for
recreational
area
and
three
and
a
quarter
acres
for
open
space,
Public
Schools.
The
planning
analysis
shows
like
nine
and
a
half
Elementary
School
students
a
little
over
five
middle
school
students
and
a
little
less
than
seven
and
a
half
high
school
students.
The
school
concurrency
actual
data
determination
letter
will
not
be
issued
until
development
review.
That
is
one
of
those
requirements.
H
Again,
the
parcel
is
28.53
Acres.
The
current
future
land
use
Highway
commercial
Corridor.
The
request
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
rezoning
application
is
required
and
running
concurrently
with
this
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
existing
roadways
that
can
accommodate
the
anticipated
traffic
and
again
staff's
recommendation
about
changing
the
primary
entrance
off
of
Taylor
Road
to
Indian
Springs
Cemetery
Road
within
our
city
service
utility
area.
H
H
Density
units
are
required
to
be
transferred
prior
to
DRC
and
again
they
are
moving
through
the
subdivision
process
and
our
conditions
of
approval
regarding
the
school
concurrency
determination
letter
and
the
project
of
the
transfer
of
the
density
units
and
the
subdivision,
re-platting
Urban
Design
staff
finds
this
is
consistent
with
the
2040
plan
and
recommends
approval
of
cp0522.
With
our
stated
conditions
and
Planning
Commission
recommended
you
Nana
unanimous
approval
of
the
request.
B
H
E
E
AN
For
the
record,
Mitchell
Austin
have
been
sworn
the
currently
Indian
Springs
Cemetery
Road
has
traffic
signal
at
North
Jones
Loop
Road.
There
is
a
traffic
signal
at
Taylor
Road,
the
in
the
long-range
Transportation
plan.
There
has
been
a
study
of
North
Jones,
Loop
Road
for
capacity
moving
into
the
future.
E
E
AN
AO
If
you
don't
have
a
full
understanding
of
the
project,
that's
going
to
be
the
plan
development
that's
proposed
with
it
so
I'll
be
making
one
comprehensive
presentation
and
then
I'll
stand
up
very
briefly
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing
for
the
PD
to
Simply
incorporate
the
comments
that
I'm
making
now
into
the
record
of
the
plan
development
as
well.
Saves
you
all
time
from
what
has
already
been
along.
AO
This
is
the
third
rezoning
as
part
of
a
large
project
that
lies
both
north
and
south
of
Jones
Loop
Road.
You
can
see
it
highlighted
on
the
screen
in
front
of
you
and
for
those
in
the
audience
black
guests
in
front
of
everybody
it.
This
is
a
project,
as
you
can
see,
the
entire
project
itself
extends
from
US
41
to
Taylor,
Road
and
and
is
both
north
and
south
of
Jones
Loop
Road.
It
includes
a
variety
of
housing
types
as
well
as
planned
commercial.
AO
This
particular
plan
development
is
for
146
single-family
homes
and
single-family
attached.
Villas
Aldi's
is
part
of
the
mixed
use
project
and
was
constructed
on
the
south
side
of
Jones
Loop
Road,
while
construction
is
ongoing
on
the
297
unit
apartment
on
the
north
side
of
Jonesville
Road,
and
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
that
construction
is
already
underway.
AO
It's
where
you
see
the
big
pond
and
around
it,
you
have
the
apartment:
housing
that's
going
up,
State
permitting
is
underway
for
the
240
single-family
home
community
on
the
south
side
of
Joseph
Road
along
the
creek
extending
northward
to
Jones
Loop.
If
approved,
that
means
that
this
mixed-use
community
will
offer
apartment
housing
attached,
Villa
housing
and
single-family
housing,
together
with
the
ability
to
develop
up
to
504
000
square
feet
on
the
remaining
63
commercial
acres,
and
that
accounts
I
use
the
rule
of
thumb
there,
typically
on
any
acre
you
get
about.
AO
AO
This
project
I
want
to
be
able
to
give
you
some
perspective.
With
approval
of
this
residential
rezoning,
we'll
have
six
times
the
amount
of
commercial
space
as
Fisherman's
Village
Fisherman's
Village
currently
has
about
80
000.
This
would
have
about
six
times
the
square
footage
of
Fisherman's
Village,
so
we're
still
talking
about
a
very
significant
amount
of
commercial
space.
AO
The
proposed
146
unit,
Villa
Community,
includes
a
community
recreation
area.
We
are
proposing
its
main
access
off
of
Taylor
Road.
The
applicant
rejects
staff
suggestion
that
the
main
entrance
be
located
in
Indian,
Springs
Road,
based
on
a
long-term
plan.
That
is
an
unfunded
long-term
plan
at
this
particular
point
in
time
to
make
the
changes
to
Taylor
Road,
as
well
as
to
make
the
changes
to
Indian
Springs
Cemetery
at
just
24
feet
of
pavement.
The
road
itself
has
insufficient
width
and
if
you
look
at
it,
its
intersection
is
at
a
very
odd
angle.
AO
You
can
see
that
at
the
I
have
a
there,
you
go,
the
intersection
is
at
a
non-angle,
you
make
the
turn
and
then
have
to
completely
turn
again
to
be
able
to
basically
come
down.
Additionally,
one
of
the
things
that
you
consider
when
placing
a
main
project
entrance
is
its
visibility
and
you
will
not
have
visibility
on
Indian
Springs,
Cemetery
Road.
It
does
not
seem
Equitable
to
say,
move
your
entrance
there,
and
then
you
pay
for
all
these
upgrades
that
are
not
even
in
the
long-term
plan.
AO
That's
not
something
that
the
community
as
a
whole
has
said,
is
important
right
now
or
should
be
funded
right
now.
Instead,
we
want
you
to
put
your
main
entrance
there
and
you
fund
the
improvements,
even
if
it
was
something
that
was
funded.
The
main
entrance
to
a
project
is
typically
on
a
main
road.
Taylor
Road
will
continue
to
be
a
main
road
with
regards
to
the
inability
to
take
a
left
turn
off
of
Taylor
Road.
AO
If
you're
heading
from
Jones,
Loop,
Road
I
would
point
out
that
we
have
a
secondary
access
that
is
proposed,
you
can
see
that
easier,
I
guess
I,
don't
get
the
pointer
up
there,
sorry
that
is
showing.
That
would
be
a
parallel
or
actually
right
across
from
where
the
main
entrance
to
the
residential
project
to
the
South
is
that
you
don't
have
a
conflict
in
turning
movements,
and
you
would
have
a
main
entrance
there.
AO
If
you
were
not
able
to
make
a
left
turn
into
the
main
entrance,
you
would
be
able
to
come
if
you
were
going
into
this
project,
be
able
to
continue
along
Jones
of
the
road,
make
a
right
turn
in
at
that
location
where
that
intersection
is
proposed
on
Jones
Loop
Road,
and
that
would
get
you
into
the
project.
So
we're
not.
AO
That
concerned
with
at
some
point
in
the
future
if
the
long-term
plan
is
implemented
and
if
the
long-term
plan
is
funded,
that
they
change
Taylor
roads
that
you
could
not
make
the
left
turn
into
the
project,
because
you
still
have
an
ability
for
a
significant
entrance
way
from
Jones
Loop
Road
itself.
And
so
we
reject
the
suggestion
that
we
move
our
entrance
Point
onto
Indian,
Springs,
Cemetery
Road.
AO
The
project
density
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
5.12
units
per
acre.
It
requires
the
medium
density
residential
land
use
designation,
because
the
low
density
residential
permits
up
to
five
units
per
acre.
So,
while
we're
requesting
medium
density,
we're
developing
it
just
over
the
low
density
residential
density,
approve
of
the
increased
density
will
create
the
ability
to
offer
an
additional
type
of
residential
use
attached.
Single-Family
Villas,
something
that's
very
popular
now
in
many
of
the
new
communities
that
are
going
up
and
adds
another
price
point
to
this.
AO
Overall
Loop
development,
The
increased
housing
diversity,
both
within
this
community
and
in
the
city
at
large
offers
opportunities
for
a
different
demographic
than
does
the
city's
abundance
of
single-family
detached
homes.
The
increased
density
also
permits
additional
housing
in
a
location
that
provides
proximity
to
multiple
employment
options
ecaps,
as
well
as
the
retail
options
that
you
have
immediately
surrounding
this
property
and
which
is
walkable
to
stores
and
Retail
providing
for
Daily
Commercial
needs.
AO
AO
I'm
going
to
go
in
the
wrong
way
there
you
go
I've
spoken
before
about
the
five
mile
radius
that
developers
use
particularly
commercial
developers,
use
when
looking
at
who
will
likely
be
their
customers,
and
you
can
see
that
up
here.
It
is
the
starting
point
in
any
due
diligence
that
a
commercial
user
undertakes
this
here's
a
visual
depiction.
That
very
clearly
shows
why
this
is
a
difficult
location
for
the
kind
of
commercial
development.
Some
of
you
hoped
for
over
one
quarter
of
the
property
within
that
radius
is
preserved
with
the
Peace
River.
AO
You
have
both
The
Preserve
along
the
harbor
itself,
and
then
you
have
the
Cecil
Webb
preserve
on
the
other
side
of
that
five
mile
radius.
Then
you
have,
in
addition
to
The
Preserve.
You've
got
the
harbor
and
you've
got
the
Peace
River.
None
of
that
is
developable.
None
of
that
provides
customers
for
any
proposed
commercial.
The
2020
census
data
shows
approximately
36
000
people
living
within
this
radius.
AO
I
actually
pulled
up
the
census
tracts
on
the
the
federal
site,
and
this
includes
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
tropical
Gulf,
Acres
East
Charlotte
County
Jones,
Loop
Road,
the
ranchettes
South
Punta,
Gorda
Heights
and
The
Burnt
Store
Road
Corridor,
even
with
the
pending
development
of
many
communities
on
Burnt
Store
Road.
It's
approved
for
about
another
6
000
units
and
with
the
residential
within
this
project.
AO
The
largest
office
lease
in
Silicon
Valley
in
2021,
was
for
700
000
square
feet.
This
site
will
retain
504
000
square
feet
for
non-residential
development
after
development
of
this
residential
parcel,
we're
not
getting
Apple
here
and
how?
What
would
it
take
to
fill
that
with
office
space
when
you're
talking
about
smaller
users?
This
plan
development
leaves
more
than
enough
land
for
commercial
and
office
development
on
the
site
over
500
000
square
feet.
AO
The
traffic
study
submitted
with
the
application
concludes
that
the
existing
roadway
network
will
accommodate
both
existing
traffic
and
the
traffic
generated
by
the
development.
It
also
concludes
that
roadway
segments
will
continue
to
operate
within
the
city's
adopted
levels
of
service.
The
project
will
have
a
master
stormwater
system.
You
can
see
the
lake
in
the
middle
of
the
project.
AO
A
sidewalk
will
connect
to
the
residential
Community
to
the
adjacent
commercial
site
within
the
project
and
to
Jones
Loop
Road,
providing
pedestrian
access
to
the
commercial
retail
uses
on
Jones
Loop,
as
well
as
the
commercial
center
at
Burnt
Store
in
Tamiami
Trail
public
facilities,
such
as
schools,
Utilities
in
the
landfill
all
have
capacity
to
serve
the
project.
With
approval
of
this
plan
development
rezoning,
the
loop
will
have
a
true
diversity
of
housing
types
to
help,
support
development
of
over
500
000
square
feet
of
commercial
and
office
uses.
AO
We
joined
with
staff's
analysis
and
conclusions,
with
the
exception
of
the
recommendation
for
an
access
on
the
main
access
on
Indian
Springs,
Cemetery,
Road
and
request
approval
of
both
the
land
use,
change
and
rezoning.
I
am
joined
today
by
the
project
engineer.
If
you
have
specific
of
questions,
you
can
also
answer
additional
questions
about
Indian
Springs,
Cemetery
Road.
If
you'd
like
and
again,
I
will
reserve
some
time
for
rebuttal
if
any
new
issues
are
brought
up
during
public
comment.
Thank.
M
K
Oops
turn
myself
on
here
just
a
question
when
you
look
at
it
in
for
me,
it's
slide
two
of
the
presentation.
Yours
might
be
a
little
different,
but
where
you
have
the
Sea
Cove
outlined,
you
know
it's
in
purple,
then
you
have
yellow
vacant
commercial
around
it.
It's
just
kind
of
oddly
shaped
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
mean
is
that
it
truly
can
be
developed.
The
way
that
it's
shaped.
If
you
know.
AO
What
I
mean
yeah
when
you
and
you're
talking
about
the
C
code,
when
you
look
around
at
what
I
think
the
anticipation
is?
Is
that
the
storm
water
management
that
is
going
to
be
required
when
you
develop,
the
commercial
could
be
placed
kind
of
up
toward
the
north
of
the
project,
leaving
the
frontage
along
Jones,
Loop
Road
for
the
actual
storefronts
and
and
okay
and
parking,
and
that
sort
of
thing?
Thank
you.
A
A
I
would
like
to
see
you
pursue
something
like
that:
a
Costco
in
particular
in
that
area,
because
I
think
that
would
be
I
mean
you're
35
miles
one
way
or
the
other,
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
Punta
Gorda
that
drive
35
miles
to
go
to
Costco,
so
so
I
dispute
the
five
mile
on
that
basis
it
depends
on
what
you're,
putting
there
and
so
being
an
advocate
of
something
like
that.
Does
that
property?
AO
There
it
would,
you
have
space
with
there,
you
have
the
depth
to
the
properties.
A
Costco
runs.
What
are
those
about?
100
150
000
square
feet
somewhere
right
around
there.
I
know
that
Costco
has
looked
in
this
community.
I
know
some
of
the
properties
that
they
have
looked
at.
The
properties
that
they've
looked
at
have
been
smaller
and
the
reason
they
chose
them
was
not
because
of
the
the
smaller
size,
but
because
of
other
issues
in
terms
of
Transportation
or
access.
A
This
area,
so
yeah
I've,
heard
that
Costco
is
kind
of
interested
in
the
area,
but
much
further
south
and
I'd
like
to
see
them
in
the
city
limits
rather
than
in
the
county.
So
I
don't
know
what
we
would
need
to
do
to
encourage
that.
I
know
it's
not
part
of
this,
but
just
for
the
record,
you
know
I
I
commercially
I'd
pursue
that.
AO
AO
AO
Joined
you
on
that
delegation
I'd,
like
nothing
better
than
to
have
a
Costco
and
and
they've
talked
about
it
for
a
lot
of
a
lot
time,
but
there
is
I
want
to
point
out
with
500
and
over
500
000
square
feet
of
retail.
It
is
more
than
sufficient
to
cover
a
big
another
Big
Box
store,
in
fact
more
than
one.
If
that
was
the
case,
I.
E
AO
Don't
know
that
they
have
them
acquired
yet,
but
typically,
when
you
talk
talking
about
that
type
of
density,
that
will
come
from
because
it's
not
Coastal
Eye
Hazard,
most
I've
done
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
TDU
transfers.
Almost
all
of
the
density
comes
from
East
County,
which
is
the
the
sending
Zone
if
you're
not
looking
for
Coastal
High
hazards.
So
it
comes
from
agricultural
land
with
old
plats
that
have
density
on
them
and
that
my
guess
is
where
it
will
come
from
the
last
transfer.
We
did
came
from
just
that
type
of
location,
okay,.
E
Just
for
general
knowledge,
I
said
on
the
mpo
board.
We
have
had
numerous
discussions
about
fdot
wanting
to
widen.
Jones
Loop
Road
to
six
lanes
and
I
was
very
clear
at
those
meetings
when
we
had
those
conversations
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
keep
that
left
turn
lane
open
onto
Taylor.
So
I
do
concur
with
what
you
said.
E
E
You
know
I've,
always
we,
you
know
and
I've
always
had
these
conversations.
Every
time
you
bring
one
of
these
projects
forward
and
I
mentioned
to
Todd
when
we
met
several
months
ago,
there's
ten
thousand
new
homes
being
planned
on
Burnt
Store
road
that
have
already
been
approved
by
the
County
Commissioners.
There's
50
1689
units
at
Tucker's
grade
plus
380
000
square
feet
of
commercial
plus
400
hotel
rooms
being
planned
at
Tucker's
grade.
There's
598
Apartments
going
to
be
built
on
Carmelita
Street.
E
Your
project
is
146
units
plus
297,
Apartments,
plus
240
houses
on
the
South
Side.
That's
virtually
25
000
new
residents.
We
have
no
commercial
to
support
those
and
you
know
I
sit
on
the
Burnt,
Store,
Road
Coalition
and
all
of
the
residents
along
the
burn
store.
Road
Corridor
have
commented
that
they
really
want
to
see
commercial
development
to
support
all
of
these
residential
units
and
I
know
you
always
are
a
proponent.
E
You
have
to
have
rooftops
to
support
commercial
I,
get
that,
but
but
at
what
point
do
we
have
too
much
residential
and
not
enough
commercial
and
we're
certainly
not
doing
anything
to
enhance
our
tax
base?
Because
we've
always
strived
to
get
beyond
that
90
versus
10
percent.
This
is
further
skewing
that
number
in
the
wrong
direction.
For
us.
I
just
want
to
go
on
the
record,
saying
that
not
to
mention
what
may
be
going
on
with
Fisherman's
Village
going
forward
and
also
the
785
hotel
rooms
at
Sunseeker.
AO
And
I
want
to
in
response
to
that
correct,
you
will
see
commercial.
A
plan
for
rooftops
is
not
the
same
thing
as
rooftops
that
are
actually
there.
The
rooftops
need
to
be
in
place
before
you'll
see
that
that
commercial
development
come
and
come
into
play.
In
addition
to
when
we
talk
about
that,
I'll
point
out
that
there
are
two
commercial
nodes
designated
on
burnstore
Road
in
the
burn
store
area
plan,
there
is
also
which
I
remember
the
exact
square
footage
significant
amount
of
commercial
that
is
built
into
the
Tucker's
grade.
AO
Where
you
point
out,
they
have
18
about
1800
residential
units
that
are
approved.
They
also
have
a
significant
amount
of
commercial
approved
at
in
the
front
of
that
project
as
well.
So
there
are
areas
for
commercial
development.
This
is
certainly
one
of
them,
but
I
think
that
500
000
square
feet.
63
acres
is
significant
amount,
as,
as
was
pointed
out
even
in
the
presentation,
it's
twice
the
size
of
what
you
currently
have
with
the
Home
Depot
and
the
the
burnt
store
shopping
center
at
the
corner
of
41
and
Burnt
Store
Road.
AO
There
comes
a
point
where
you
simply
there.
You
know
an
additional
25
000
to
the
30
000
I
think
that
the
census
tract
showed
still
only
50
000
people
within
the
five
mile
radius,
big
boxes
as
as
council
member
will
would
go
beyond
that.
But
at
some
point
you
do
reach
saturation
in
what
can
reasonably
be
developed.
This
property
has
been
on
the
market
as
a
mixed-use,
residential
and
Commercial
project.
AO
It's
got
to
support
the
ecap
mission,
but
you
can
still
put
an
ecap
and
the
fact
that
offices
are
also
allowed
in
ecap,
as
well
as
the
distribution
centers.
That's
where
you're
going
to
see
when
we
see
commercial,
retail
but
you're
going
to
see
the
office
and
distribution
will
likely
go
toward
ecap.
This
will
continue
to
be.
It
will
have
to
provide
some
commercial
for
what's
coming
in,
but
I
I
everything
in
the
the
when
I
speak
with
the
client.
AO
D
E
V
Good
morning
my
name
is
Dr.
Deborah,
Lux
and
I
have
been
sworn
in.
I
wasn't
prepared
to
talk
about
this,
but
every
time
I'm
new
to
coming
to
all
these
meetings
and
stuff
like
that
becoming
involved
as
now,
I
have
retired
and
I
have
the
time
to
do
this,
and
as
well
as
I
respect,
Jerry
waxler
as
being
an
attorney
and
stuff
like
that,
every
meeting
I've
come
to
they
keep
on
saying.
V
I've
heard,
like
you
were
saying
mayor,
you
know
we're
talking
about
what
about
arthracs
or
Hertz
or
targets
or
Costco's
coming
in
they're,
not
going
to
want
to
come
into
these
these
areas
that
are
already
highly
density.
You
know
we
talk
about
professional
office.
What
about
these
restaurants
that
could
come
in
this?
Is
you
know
an
area
where
every
time
I've
been
here,
I've
heard,
let's
develop
this
commercial,
which
we
keep
saying.
We
want
commercial,
we
want
commercial,
but
let's
make
this
exception.
Let's
make
this
exception.
V
Oh,
but
not
only
do
we
want
to
make
this
exception,
we
want
these
roads.
We
want
this
extra
density.
We
want
this
extra
height.
We've
got
to
come
to
a
point
where
we
have
to
really
look
at
what
we're
doing.
If
we
want
Punta
Gorda
to
Crow,
let's
find
great
businesses
like
Hertz
or
arthrex,
or
Target
or
Costco,
and
let's
really
promote
them
to
come
to
our
area
so
that
we
can
have
more
Vitality
in
this
area.
Thank
you.
Y
Y
W
S
W
AO
L
H
H
H
AM
AN
Again
for
the
record
Mitchell
Austin,
the
recommendation
from
City
staff
for
an
entrance
to
be
placed
on
Indian
Springs
Cemetery
Road
is
due
to
two
factors.
One
is
the
long-term
plan
whereby
access
full
median
access
opening
to
the
proposed
entrance
location
along
Taylor
Road
may
be
eliminated
to
ensure
appropriate
traffic
flow
on
Taylor
Road
and
the
existing
condition
of
there
is
a
traffic
signal
at
North,
Jones,
Loop
and
Indian
Springs
Cemetery
Road.
So
there
is
existing
access
facility
there,
which
you
know
would
be
appropriate.
So.
A
So
you're
saying
and
access
point
not
the
primary
access
point,
because
I
think
that
was
their
concern
is
that
that
staff
was
recommending
that
Indian
Springs
be
the
primary
they're
they're
saying
Indians
or
the
primary
should
be
on
Taylor.
Are
we
saying
that?
Are
we
in
Conflict
there?
It
sounds
to
me
like
an
entrance
is
different
than
the
entrance
and
I
heard
you
say
an
entrance.
AO
I
think
that
what
staff
is
recommending
is
likely
to
occur
in
the
future,
but
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
put
the
onus
of
doing
that
on
147
unit
single-family
residential
again,
when
that
they
have
two
access
points.
This
code
already
requires
and
Indian
Springs
currently
in
its
current
situation,
is
really
an
insufficient
roadway
for
traffic
purposes.
So.
A
E
I'm
very
confused
at
this
point,
because
this
other
entrance
that's
at
the
I
guess
it
would
be
the
Western
end
of
the
of
the
project
that
would
be
a
secondary
entrance
as
it
stands
right
now
as
I
understand
it
correct.
So
what
are
you
suggesting
as
the
primary
entrance,
the
Indian
Spring
Cemetery
in
lieu
of
Taylor.
AN
So,
in
terms
of
the
access
point
discussion,
it
is
really
that
an
entrance
be
provided
in
Indian,
Springs,
Cemetery
Road
in
a
similar
manner
to
the
development
to
the
south
at
at
seagrass,
where
they
have
an
entrance
on
to
entity
and
spring
Cemetery
Road,
because
there
is
a
traffic
signal
existing
at
a
new
spring
Cemetery
Road
in
North,
Jones,
Loop
Road.
The
other
side
of
that
is
the
the
other
side
of
that
is.
The
future
plans
for
Taylor
Road
May
create
a
future
conflict
and
again
that
is
a
future
consideration.
AN
So
there
there
is
definitely
some
give
and
take
there
in
terms
of
why
can't
they
have
three
entrances
that
that
could
limit
their
development
possibilities.
So
From
staff's
perspective.
It
is
a
recommendation
based
on
the
technical
considerations
thereof.
It's
as
it
currently
exists.
Now
their
proposal
to
put
an
entrance
off
of
Taylor
would
would
probably
Merit
like
a
turn
lane
into
the
property
and
those
types
of
improvements
on
Taylor
Road
right.
AN
E
E
AN
E
D
G
To
clarify
yes,
these
comments
regarding
the
access
way
to
the
subdivision
are
those
those
part
of
and
and
are
those
part
of,
the
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
recommended
recommended
conditions,
or
is
that
the
PD?
It's
it's
in
the
PD
okay?
So
so
we're
still
going
to
have
a
presentation
on
the
PD
and
and
I
I
I.
Don't
you
know,
I
I
think
the.
AN
E
AN
E
G
AH
P
H
G
H
AI
H
H
So
again,
a
little
bit
of
the
background
on
the
loop
area
with
the
208
now
109.9
Acres
have
been
approved
for
residential.
The
request
for
this
one
is
28.5
Acres.
We
do
have
one
developed
commercial
property
Aldi's
at
3.4
Acres,
so
that
leaves
an
approximate
calculation
of
57.1
Acres.
That's
give
or
take
that's
just
stuff's
calculations,
takeoffs
from
the
GIS.
H
So
for
residential
density,
the
per
the
interlocal
agreement.
The
area
was
entitled
to
450
dwelling
units
Parkside
the
apartments
are
at
297.,
seagrass
is
at
240.,
see.
Cove
is
proposed
at
2
at
146,
leaving
a
deficit
they
did
transfer
some
over,
which
leaves
an
additional
deficit
of
146
and,
as
the
applicant
has
stated,
they're
prepared
to
transfer
to
bind
those
density
units
for
transfer
prior
to
development.
H
So,
there's
a
conceptual
site
plan
for
plan
development,
neighborhood
up
to
146,
single-family
and
attached
Villas
Community,
Recreation,
Area
on-site
parking,
pedestrian
circulation
and
storm
water
management
system.
So
it
conforms
with
our
2040
comprehensive
plan.
Future
land
use
objectives,
1.1.10
1.1.14
policies,
1.1.2.1
1.1.4.3,
1.1.9.5,
1.1.10.2,
1.1.14.1
conservation,
objective,
2A,
0.1.1
policy,
2A,
0.1.1.1,
Coastal
management
policy,
2B,
0.5.1.2
infrastructure,
objective,
3.2.2
policies,
3.2.1.4
3.2.1.7,
3.2.2.3,.
H
10.1.5.1
and
it's
not
applicable
to
our
historic
element,
this
shows
the
compatibility
of
the
surrounding
properties
and
what
they're
zoned
and
how
they're
used
additional
criteria
mitigates
adverse
impacts.
It's
a
single
family
project,
which
is
the
lowest
intensity
of
uses.
No
adverse
impacts
are
anticipated
adequate
public
facilities.
It
is
in
our
utility
service
area.
Distribution
and
service
lines
are
not
yet
constructed
to
the
project,
so
those
will
be
required
at
the
developers,
expense,
traffic,
again
single-family
project
existing
network
is
sufficient.
It
does
provide
two
access
points,
primary
tailor
and
secondary
Jones
Loop
Road
ecological
preservation.
H
Environmental
study
has
been
provided
it
identified
gopher
tortoises
and
a
borrow
area.
An
eagle
nest
was
identified,
however,
it
was
not
within
the
project
area.
It
may
require
FWC
or
FWS,
permitting
mitigate
topographical,
geograph
geological
conditions.
Site
work
will
be
performed
in
compliance
with
all
federal
state
and
city
regulations.
Noise,
attenuation
matter
measures,
single-family
project,
it
is
a
lowest
of
intensity
of
uses.
No
noise
impacts
are
anticipated
and
this
will
require
subdivision
approval.
H
So
again,
the
summary
is
to
the
plane
development
rezoned
from
Highway
commercial
to
a
planned
development
neighborhood.
It
does
provide
infield
development
up
to
146
dwelling
units
with
Associated
amenities
and
private
Recreation
and
open
space.
The
application
is
in
order.
The
comprehensive
plan
future
land
use.
Amendment
is
running
concurrently.
The
rezoning
provides
and
field
development,
which
is
supported
by
the
comprehensive
plan
objective
4.1.1,
existing
roadway,
accommodates
anticipated
traffic
staff
again
was
recommending
changing
the
Ingress
egress
to
Indian
Springs
from
Taylor
again
just
a
recommendation,
not
a
requirement.
H
A
subject
site
is
served
by
City,
Water
and
Wastewater.
However,
the
service
lines
are
not
yet
developed
or
constructed
to
the
site
will
be
installed
at
the
owner
or
developers
expense.
The
environmental
study
which
identified
the
gopher
tortoises
in
a
Borough
area
and
an
eagle's
nest.
Any
mitigation
would
be
required
prior
to
development
review.
A
transfer
of
density
units
for
146
density
units
is
required
prior
to
DRC
approval
and
a
subdivision
is
a
separate
review
process
and
it
will
be
required
prior
to
development.
H
H
Environmental
study,
which
identified
all
the
gopher
tortoise,
borrow
eagle
nest
area
density
is
required
to
be
transferred
and
again
the
subdivision.
So
under
the
conditions,
it's
just
a
recommendation
of
changing
the
Ingress
egress
from
Taylor
to
Indian
Springs,
Cemetery,
Road
applicant
required
to
address
all
Wastewater
requirement
water
Wastewater
requirements
prior
to
DRC
approval
address
any
environmental
concern
to
protected
species
comments
prior
to
DRC
approval.
H
G
H
A
Well,
just
the
clarification,
because
the
comment
was
made
before
about
transferring
these
density
units
from
agricultural
to
here.
That
actually
would
then
protect
the
agricultural,
wouldn't
it
because
you
couldn't
ever
develop
that
because
you
strip
the
density
rights
away
from
there.
So
I
just
want
to
understand.
I
thought
what
I
heard.
What
I
heard
said
didn't
make
any
sense,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it
correctly.
Yeah.
AO
Jerry
waxler
McCrory
Law
Firm
on
behalf
of
Jones
Loop
Road
llc.
At
this
time,
I
would
ask
that
the
comments
that
I
made
in
the
previous
hearing
be
added
to
the
record
of
this
hearing,
together
with
our
application
and
all
supporting
documentation
and
the
PowerPoint
presentation
that
was
made
and
previously
admitted
clerk
already,
has
a
copy
of
that
and.
AK
AO
Again,
I
am
available
if
you
have
any
questions,
as
is
the
project
engineer,
we
would
join
in
with
the
staff's
analysis
as
they
pertain
to
consistency
with
the
comp
plan
and
compliance
with
the
requirements
for
rezoning,
and
we
would
request
an
approval
of
the
plan
development
rezoning.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
V
Again,
my
name
is
Dr
Deborah,
Alex
and
I
have
been
sworn
in.
I
too,
would
like
to
have
my
same
remarks
stated
as
last
time
to
be
part
of
this
again
now
we're
looking
at
super
high
density
instead
of
single
family
homes
to
be
put
into
this
area
again,
you
know
with
no
regards
to
environmentally
sensitive
stuff.
That's
there
by
putting
this
high
density
apartment
condos
in
a
place,
that's
supposed
to
be
commercial.
Thank.
G
E
M
E
The
hearing
is
closed.
Just
for
general
knowledge,
I
just
received
a
quick
email
and
Costco
is
scheduled
to
build
a
store
at
the
North,
very
North
End
of
Charlotte
County
south
end
of
Sarasota,
County
and
Costco
requires,
within
a
five
mile
trade
area,
radius,
200
000
people
density
with
a
median
income
of
seventy
five
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
why
they
have
not
built
here.
So
that's
their
General
criteria
for
for.
E
Well,
that's
that's
their
that's
their
general
rule.
Walmart
does
not
have
those
same
considerations
and
Home
Depot
does
have
a
10
mile
radius
for
their
for
their
governing
as
far
as
how
they
decide
where
they
build.
So
it's
it's
information,
that's
nice
to
know.
If
a
lot
of
people
do
want
us
to
bring
put
Costco
and
many
other
box
stores
here,
we
just
don't
necessarily
have
the
density
right
now
and
just
for
clarification.
E
Someone
commented
earlier:
25
000
new
people
in
the
community,
25
000
new
homes,
I
did
not
say
that
I
said
25
000
people,
because
it's
going
to
be
potentially
12
000
and
change
in
the
number
of
new
residential
units
that
will
be
built
on
the
south
end
of
the
county
between
now
and
the
next
15
years,
so
that
that
was
just
my
statement.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record.
Okay,
any
other
discussion,
then
we
need
a
motion.
A
B
E
E
E
E
L
L
E
B
E
They
have
had
apparently
numerous
conversations
with
our
legislative
delegation
members
and
there
is
at
least
one
delegation
member
who
is
strongly
opposed
to
our
Emergency
Operations
Center
request
for
funding,
there's,
apparently
a
few
different
reasons,
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
it
stems
from,
but
one
of
the
reasons
that
was
given
is
that
they
would
never
approve
State
funding
for
a
facility
inside
the
flood
zone
area.
So
rather
than
not
have
anything
on
the
legislators
agenda
for
this
session,
it
was
my
suggestion
that
we
possibly
add
one.
E
We
still
have
time
to
submit
our
paperwork
to
the
legislative
delegation
before
they
go
to
session.
It
is
my
suggestion
and
I
would
like
to
see
if
you
have
consensus
with
me
to
add
a
request
for
funding
for
our
wastewater
treatment.
Plant
Expansion
Project,
the
County
Commission-
is
doing
this
for
theirs.
We
are
going
to
be
needing
a
lot
of
money
for
this
project
and
I
think
it
would
be
who
bust
to
try
to
get
on
the
radar
since
Ben
Albritton
is
very
big
on
water
quality
initiatives.
E
B
R
And
if
I
could,
when
we
look
at
the
project
sheet
for
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
there's
a
little
bit
of
dated
information
here,
but
when
we
look
at
the
utility
impact
fees
and
the
local
utility
funds
were
in
the
five
million
dollar
range,
we're
looking
at
revolving
Loan
Fund
for
70,
some
et
cetera
for
an
80
million
dollar
project.
So
if
we're
looking
at
local
funds,
we
still
have
other
funding
in
place
and,
of
course,
that
takes
Debt,
Service
and
different
things.
R
R
What
the
first
phase
would
be
that
would
be
constructed
with
that
money
Etc,
but
you
know
that's
something
that
Charlotte
Harbor
the
whole
environmental
perspective
and
something
that's
been
discussed
by
the
delegation
as
being
more
of
a
regional
approach,
and
they
may
also
still
want
to
discuss
that
one
as
well
as
wastewater
treatment,
one
or
the
other.
At
least.
As
the
mayor
said,
we'd
have
something
on
the
list.
E
The
other
thing
that
I'll
mention
is
that
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
expansion
is
not
a
want
to
have
item.
It
is
a
need
to
have
item
where
the
other
two
are
want
to
have,
because
we
don't
necessarily
move
forward
with
the
septic
to
sewer
project
until
we
start
finding
out
where
the
funding
is
going
to
come
from
not
wanting
to
put
that
burden
on
those
residents
and
in
the
areas
that
have
to
be
converted
it's
going
to.
E
If
we
didn't
have
funding
from
the
outside,
it's
going
to
cost
them
upwards
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
per
property
to
put
sewer
systems
in
on
those
properties.
So
we
can
make
the
long
time
ago
decision
that
we
would
not
move
forward
on
that
project
until
there
were
funds
identified
to
assist
the
residents
with
that
with
that
part
of
the
project.
So
again
that's
a
kind
of
a
want
to
have.
It
will
be
a
federal
mandate
before
sooner
than
later,
I'm
sure,
but
that
that's
one
thing.
E
The
other
thing
is,
we
do
have
funds
set
aside
in
the
one
percent
sales
tax
program
for
the
public
safety
building
expansion
plant
program,
and
so
it's
it's
feasible.
To
think
that
we,
depending
upon
how
much
money
is
collected
in
that
fund,
we
might
be
able
to
funnel
more
money
into
that
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
for
a
hardened
facility
at
the
at
the
police
and
fire.
So
that
may
be
another
possibility
for
that
project
if
it
gets
put
on
the
back
burner.
E
AM
E
D
E
AP
Karen
Smith
city
clerk
for
the
record
vacancies.
We
have
some
continuing
Board
of
zoning
appeals,
one
regular
seat
and
two
alternates
for
the
code
enforcement
board.
We
have
two
regular
seats
and
two
alternates
the
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board.
We
just
need
two
more
alternates
or
two
alternates,
not
two
more
and
then
the
Planning
Commission.
We
just
need
one
alternate
and
we
have
no
nominations
under
appointments
for
the
Punta
Gorda
Isles
Canal
advisory
committee.
K
AG
AP
AP
AP
R
Tallahassee
yes
legislative
session
in
Tallahassee
when
the
Florida
League
of
cities,
Southwest
Florida
League
of
cities
will
be
there
and
when
we
would
be
attending
so
we
want
to
make
sure
which
Council
people,
of
course
I'll
be
attending.
I
know
the
mayor.
Will
council
person,
Lockhart
and
I
believe
kaharsky,
not
sure
you
are?
If
the
Realtors
will
be
up
there,
then
or
I'm
not
sure?
Last
year
they
were
and
of
course,
council
person.
Peterman.
R
K
E
G
All
of
those
considerations,
or
actually
none
of
those
considerations
are
actually
provided
for
in
our
resolution.
Regarding
the
quasi-judicial
hearing
proceedings,
what
I
would
like
to
ask
is
that
at
the
next
city
council
meeting
to
consider
adoption
of
a
resolution
providing
those
types
of
deadlines
in
the
in
the
in
our
current
resolution,
so
that
it'll
be
clear
to
all
parties
when
to
get
their
documents
in
for
fair
review
by
any
party.
G
That's
that
needs
to
review
them
and
then
have
all
those
documents
presented
by
a
deadline:
State
certain
for
the
city
council
to
have
adequate
time
to
review.
So,
with
your
permission,
I'd
like
to
propose
a
draft
ordinance
I'll
get
with
staff
to
determine
what
would
a
reasonable
deadline
be
in
terms
of
days
before
the
city
council
meeting
on
an
issue
and
then
present
that
resolution
for
your
consideration
at
the
next
city
council
meeting.
R
So,
for
example,
to
further
that
discussion,
if
the
applicant
was
given
90
days
to
provide
a
new
presentation
for
the
next
meeting,
typically
the
week
before
before
the
Wednesday
that
it's
issued
Etc,
they
would
provide
that
so
that
it's
available
for
Council
a
week
before
the
meeting
a
week
before
the
meeting
two
days
later,
it's
out
to
the
public
there's
been
no
time
for
adequate
review
or
rebuttal.
So
three
months
becomes
four
months
unless
that
three
months
is
backed
into
two
months.
R
G
Well,
I
I.
My
my
intention
is
not
to
push
back
the
date
of
the
public
hearing.
My
my
intention
is
to
have
a
reasonable
deadline
prior
to
that
now
scheduled
public
hearing
for
the
applicant
to
finalize
their
plans,
give
that
give
the
interveners
an
opportunity
to
respond
and
give
the
applicant
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
the
interveners
response
without
modifying
the
the
time
for
the
hearing.
G
R
W
R
AK
AG
E
Try
to
work
the
logistics
out
between
them,
so
they
will
have
the
information.
I
have
a
real
problem
and
it
was.
It
was
my
my
urging
to
get
all
of
the
documents
published
and
put
on
the
website
and
shared
with
the
council
members
in
advance
of
the
council.
Meeting
I
I
have
a
real
problem
when
I
come
to
a
meeting
and
there's
a
presentation
by
staff
or
another
applicant
or
someone
else,
and
we've
never
seen
that
application
or
that
that
presentation
before
that
happened.
E
At
the
Planning
Commission
meeting,
there
were
five
public
hearings
and
five
presentations,
none
of
which
were
included
in
the
the
packet
for
the
for
the
public
to
see.
That's
not
okay
with
me
and
I
think
we
really
have
to
have
a
firm
deadline.
So
I,
you
know.
In
the
case
of
this
week
it
was
a
holiday
week.
Three
of
us
had
our
briefings
on
Friday.
E
You
know:
I
didn't
even
have
time
to
read
the
packet
before
I
met
city
manager,
so
we
have
to
have
a
firm
timeline
and
I
agree
with
you.
We
need
to
put
it
in
writing
so
that
there's
a
very
firm
plan
going
forward
for
all
applicants
that
are
filing
presentations
with
the
city.
It's
got
to
be
made
public,
so
everyone
can
see
it
not
just
interveners.
It's
got
to
be
made
visible
for
everybody
to
be
able
to
read
and
have
access
to
Melissa.
K
I
I
agree
with
all
of
that,
but
I
think
for
future,
but
right
now
we
have
something
on
the
table.
That
I
think
could
be
a
problem
because
I
agree
where
I
think
everybody
walked
in
that
room.
Saying
90
days
so
I
agree
with
Greg
when
it
says
it's
going
to
be
90
plus
another
30
plus
another
this
and
that,
and
so
maybe
something
we
want
to
consider
for
projects
that
are
coming
to
us
in
the
future.
R
A
G
Have
no,
you
know
the
city
council
would
have
had
every
right
to
deny
the
request
for
a
continuance
or
to
have
something
even
substantially
less.
You
know,
30
to
60.,
I,
think
that
that
giving
them
deadlines
now,
there's
no
requirement
that
they
that
they
submit
their
presentation
or
a
presentation.
G
Make
their
filing
of
the
presentation
and
again
because
do
due
process
gives
the
applicant
to
find
the
final
say
they
should
have
some
time
to
be
able
to
rebut
or
respond
to
the
intervenors
problem.
So
I
don't
have
a
problem
backing
up
the
deadline
so
that
they
still
have
90
days
before
it's
right
before
the
city
council
again,
but
you
know
this
is
only
only
fair
way
of
making
sure
that
this
is
progressing
in
a
reasonable
facet.
L
See
see
I
think
90
days
sounds
pretty
sufficient
to
me
for
the
process
to
work
and
I
would
I
would
be
shocked
if
the
applicant
I
would
hope
the
applicant
has
spent
some
time
thinking
about
Alternatives
I
mean
I'm
I
can't
believe
they
were
that
optimistic
that
they
thought
you
know
as
presented.
It
was
going
to
be
a
done
deal
and
they're
in
that
kind
of
business
to
have
plan
a
plan
b
or
something
so
I.
Don't
know
why
we
can't
you
know.
90
days
is
90
days,
and
these
are
the
deadlines.
Yeah.
R
My
my
point
is
not
any
different
than
anything.
You've
all
said.
It's
just
the
process
we
have
today
when
they
walked
out
of
this
room.
Is
that
a
week
before
the
agenda
is
published,
they
have
to
present
that
to
us,
so
we
just
need
to
clarify
with
them
that
if
we
need
an
extra
30
days
for
intervener
review
and
rebuttal
that
they
need
to
have
it
to
us
within
60
days,
we
just
have
to
clarify
that
if
that's
where
it's
going.
G
K
I
I
agree
with
everything
you're
saying
but
I
feel
like.
We
should
have
had
this
conversation
when
there
was
other
people
and
applicants
in
the
room.
I
feel
like
this
should
be
a
good
procedural
fire
drill
for
the
next
applicant,
but
I'm
afraid
we're
going
down
a
slippery
slope
with
this.
Trying
to,
although
trying
to
make
it
easier,
I
have
a
feeling
it's
going
to
make
it
conflicting.
G
And
I
recognize
that
and
and
maybe
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
have
the
parties
there
now,
but
given
the
fact
that
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
staff
to
determine
what
the
deadlines
ought
to
be.
I
think
that
the
all
the
parties
will
have
adequate
time
between
at
the
time
that
this
resolution
will
be
considered
to
come
before
the
city
council
and
express
their
concerns
and
and
each
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
and
that
still
leaves
plenty
of
time
for
them
to
be
able
to
come
into
compliance.
It.
E
Sorry
they've
been
told
they
have
to
present
at
the
April
19th
city
council
meeting.
They
have
to
back
into
that
date,
they're
going
to
have
to
do
it,
however,
it
has
to
happen
so
that
everything
is
in
order
and
we
can
have
the
hearing
on
April
19th
and
quit
dragging
this
out.
I'm
I'm,
not
supporting
of
this
90
days
at
all,
I'm
really
vehemently
against
it,
but
the
point
being
I
think
as
long
as
they
understand
up
front
that
they
have
90
days
to
bring
this
to
city
council.
E
However,
they
have
to
get
to
that
date.
That's
up
to
them
to
figure
it
out
and
if
it's
backs
into
60
days,
then
so
be
it
then
they
have
to.
They
have
to
make
sure
they
give
enough
time
to
the
interveners
to
either
settle
their
disagreements
or
they
have
to
work
out
a
negotiation
or
whatever
they
have
to
do.
But
the
hearing
is
going
to
take
place
on
April
19th
come
hell
or
high
water.
A
And
and
I
agree
with
that:
absolutely
they
they.
It
would
be
a
mistake
on
their
part
to
think
that
they
could
bring
the
presentation
and
drop
it
the
Wednesday
before
the
90-day
council
meeting
and
that
everything
is
going
to
be
fine.
It
would
be
a
mistake
to
do
that
and
I,
don't
think
they're
planning
to
do
that.
A
I
think
their
plan
has
stated
is
that
they
want
to
work
together
with
the
intervener,
both
intervener
groups,
to
try
to
come
to
an
amicable,
amicable
resolution,
so
I
doubt
seriously
that
the
interveners
would
be
surprised
at
what's
coming
because
they're
going
to
be
part
of
it
as
I
understand
it.
So
I.
Don't
really
think
that
there's
going
to
be
a
problem,
I
think
the
90
days
is
just
fine
and
you're
right.
They
need
to
work
it
out
there.
It's
not
a
matter
of
dropping
a
presentation
and
thinking
it's
all
going
to
be
good.
B
I
agree
with
that
too,
mayor
I
think
some
a
woman
who's
worked
on
a
lot
of
projects
if
you're
gonna,
if
you
say
you're
gonna,
bring
the
height
down
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
not
saying
they're,
going
to
do
that,
but
I'm
saying
that
that's
what's
in
their
plan,
they
just
can't
arbitrary,
say
it.
They've
got
to
bring
in
the
expert
to
look
at
it.
Would
it
work?
Can
we
can
we
make
what
we
want
to
do
work
with
it
so
I
understand
the
90
days.
B
Understand
the
argument
about
60
days,
I
kind
of
got
that
too.
But
someone
has
been
on
the
other
side
and
no
90
days
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It's
a
lot
has
to
be
done.
I'm,
looking
forward
to
what
they're
going
to
bring
I
really
wasn't
happy
with
what
I
was
seeing.
I
was
I'm
open
now
that
they're
going
to
listen
to
a
whole
lot
of
people
and
make
some
corrections
to
that.
E
A
R
Along
with
what
the
attorney
said,
we
definitely
need
that,
especially
since
we
have
more
interveners
and
we
don't
have
it
in
policy.
So
forget
the
fishville
thing
just
for
the
process
in
general,
we
need
to
set
whatever
those
deadlines
are
going
to
be
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
make
sure
they
understand
that
they
have
to
back
into
that.
So
that's
the
point.
We
just
have
to
make
sure
that's
relayed,
so
we
need
to
get
that
done
and.
E
L
B
E
B
I
did
attend
virtually
the
south
Florida
Planning,
Commission
and
I'm
very
surprised
of
what
was
going
on
there
there's
only
five
pain
members
of
the
five.
There
was
only
two
on
there
and
when
they
read
out
the
list
of
everybody
that
I
guess
normally
comes
on
there
I'm
guessing
easily
60
percent
weren't
on
the
weren't
there
or
either
on
the
call
or
there
they
weren't
there
they're
in
disarray.
They
had
a
group
that
once
said
disbanded
and
do
away
with
it
and
they
had
another
group
that
wants
to
change
the
name.
B
E
There's
discussion
about
possibly
adding
a
new
Interstate
exit
in
between
those
two
points.
So
that's
one
of
the
projects
that
they're
they're
putting
on
the
long
range
plan
with
fdot
there's,
also
a
meeting
the
following
month
with
the
Lee
County,
mpo,
Board
and,
and
that
is
a
different
interchange,
they're
talking
about
the
possibility
of
an
interchange
between
Tucker's
grade
and
the
exit,
just
on
the
south
side
of
the
bridges
going
into
Fort
Myers
somewhere
around
Del
Prado.