City of Punta Gorda 2023 Historic Preservation Advisory Board, 26 Jan 2023

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Historic Preservation Advisory Board 1-26-2023

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um It is a demolish. The fabric hand requested a demolition of the property they have submitted, the required documentation if denied the demolition permit can be held for 45 days and staff has.

A

Oh sorry, okay, let me back up so, if denied the permit to demolish the house can be held for 45 days and staff recommends denial of the ca.

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C

What's the reasoning behind that denial.

A

We always deny demolitions of historic structures: okay,.

D

I have a question as well: according to the materials provided to us, it says as it exists today, the building has little historical values, so I guess I'm a little bit I'm just I'm in the same boat. I, don't quite understand why there's been done.

D

I, don't know what the expectation is of the homeowner, but it does say it doesn't have significant historic value, so I'm trying to understand why the city is recommending denial, because it says right in the paperwork that it doesn't have historic value so and that it's outside of the historic district so I'm a little confused. It.

A

Is listed on the Florida Master site file as a historic structure, so it is technically a historic structure, although it's undergone a lot of Renovations, so it no longer really looks how it did originally.

A

So that's why it has little historical value, um but it is our policy within the city to deny demolition permits so that way developers do not come in and develop and just get a demo permit, rip out historic structures and then rebuild it's just a 45-day hold, and that also gives anybody who might have objection to it to come forward and plead their case.

D

So primarily, the main goal is to see if anybody else has an objection at this point, the 45-day hold that's the primary goal of it.

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B

And if I may I'll add a little Point here, this objection can also be that someone will step forward with significant, although in this case, probably very unlikely historic information about people who had it lived in that home or something that would be relevant. Okay,.

D

Thank you Brad, because I'm trying to figure out the historic connection and you're giving me a couple of grounds, which is that somebody could step forward and say there is historic value or somebody has in strict information that would be helpful to us. So that would be the primary benefit. I guess. If a 45 day.

B

Correct and knowing that there is sort of a let's think about it, 45 days generally I think has a positive effect for caution on just grabbing every House available. Thank you. Brad appreciate.

D

The information I.

E

Have a question: is there any financial hardship on the homeowner for due to this 45-day delay that.

A

I do not know answer for her she's here.

E

Okay, I'm, sorry I. You need to come to the podium.

F

You can't come with me: I, don't think it's on. No, there is no financial hardship for the 45 day old.

B

Okay, may we have your name please my.

F

Name is Michelle and Wyndham wins linsac.

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F

Michelle, my family has lived in that house since 1961., when my parents bought it originally at Cylon cinder blocks and it had some sort of like really old sighting on it. But in 1991 the lady who held the mortgage on the house called the note and my dad didn't have enough income to debt ratio to carry the mortgage, so I I had to be added to the deed. In order to co-sign the mortgage.

F

For my dad and at that time we totally remodeled the house, the lady who originally owned it, sat it on the ground and poured his love around the house, and then we went and we flipped the floor plan and we added the stucco new windows, a new roof. The metal roof was put on after Hurricane Charlie, so the house really doesn't look like it originally did at all anymore.

G

Don Diamond I represent the engineering firm that deals with this particular project. We inspected the home. The home is absolutely unfixable it actually as far as a hardship, I, don't know, but I'd kind of be concerned about it being out there for liability purposes. I mean the building is literally about ready to fall. So you know I, don't know what ramifications there are to that. You know I kind of surprising that everything is denied without question, so anyways I, just figured I'd, add my two cents to say: look.

G

The building is going to fall, get it out of there.

B

Thank you any other comments.

B

B

Any comments from the board questions all right.

C

I do have one question sure. So let's say this is denied what what's the ultimate goal at the property I know. You said that if it's approved it will be just sod, but what's the other, uh the.

H

Other alternative: it sits opportunity.

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C

No, it is okay, so it's not for okay, that's that's what I'm asking it's either it's approved, it becomes an empty lot or it sits here in this condition until it does actually fall down. That's that's what I'm asking if those are our two options here.

H

My name is Robert Glen sack um yeah. No, we don't know what we're going to be able to do yet. Like I said, we've been doing this since May. Okay, they made us disconnect the water power sewer before we could even apply for the permit.

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H

Now the house has been sitting there getting worse and you know it needs to be torn down and it's you know, taxes and everything else can't be homesteaded. Nobody can live there, so at least if they're divided Lots or we keep them together, we decide to build, we don't know, we haven't got to that point. Yet. We've been battling this battle. First, okay,.

C

And was anything done to protect it prior to the hurricane and was there any additional damage to.

H

The property no other than every time it rains or we get high water. It comes in okay because the original house was set on the ground and they took the siding off and poured a slab from over top if you're seeing the pictures where the toilet in the shower- or they had to raise that in order to get hooked to city sewer right because otherwise it wouldn't have drained into the sewer.

C

Right so I guess what I'm asking is: there's no intention of of renovating the property regardless. Even if we were to deny that motion so, okay and if you sold it, it would be with the property on it in hopes that somebody I.

H

Don't think anybody's going to buy it right so I'm just trying to.

C

Come up with what what our path would be, should we take that that direction? Okay, thank you.

B

C

Other comments.

B

uh Would accept a motion from the board for c8-01-.

B

2023 434 West, Ann Street.

I

A motion to approve or a motion to the nine yes.

B

Actually, in this case, it was the emotion.

B

I

I'll make the motion can.

D

You just clarify approve what approve.

I

The demolition, the city's.

D

Denial or the demolition.

I

Approve the demolition, okay.

C

I second, that motion.

B

So we actually it's my understanding, and maybe the staff could help on this, that the action required is not demolition. That's a little misleading. There is to whether we accept the.

B

Yeah and it's a good point, I'm a little confused too. If we approve ca01 -2023, we are approving a 45-day wait. Is that correct.

A

The action required is for you to vote on it. Maybe it's the parentheses that make it confusing, so I can fix that in the future, but the action required is the vote itself. So, however, you want to phrase that so we're.

C

Voting to demolish or wait.

D

B

It a chance to clarify here again do this in order.

J

According secretary Leah for the record um based off of experience, it's a motion to deny the application and delay it for 45 days. If you approve it, that would approve the demolition without the 45 delay. Earth Day delay.

J

So if you deny it and then that's but like I said approving it approves it, you don't have a fortified.

D

And denying it would mean that we are saying that they have to wait 45 days.

J

D

J

That's the maximum that.

D

J

You deny the application, the max, you know, that's the only thing that you authority to do right.

B

J

Then after 45 days it would it.

C

Comes back here, no.

B

No, they just go forward.

J

That can move forward so.

J

Either way you know if, if it's something that you guys decide that there's no point in delaying it for 45 days, then you shouldn't have just approved the.

B

President generally has been said that unless there's a mitigating circumstance to not wait 45 days to see if there anything shows up of the historic significance.

B

That would be what would be approved, but it's kind of I agree. It's a little ambiguous here. So if we vote on ca01 2023-434 West Ann Street, we would be my opinion is. We would be voting on a 45-day delay, as we have over the past several years when I've been involved with the group, but it makes no difference to me I.

B

D

Just go ahead and.

B

Vote, if you vote right.

D

Let's just be clear on the motion: let's make.

B

It clear on ca01, 2023 434, West Ann Street action required demolition action required in demolition.

B

It is confusing, isn't it.

D

B

Right, let's have it the way it is and if.

D

Well, Brad! We might want to just clarify, though, if we're voting. Yes, what does yes mean if we're voting, no, which.

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D

Same page here, the.

I

Motion would be to demolish the building and and and vacate the 45-day precedent in the past just move forward and these people have been through the ringer this thing's going to fall down. It's an eyesore, it's a it's! A hazard.

B

I

Don't think it has any historical significance, so the motion would be just to approve the demolition of the structure.

C

Motion second,.

B

All in favor signify by saying aye.

E

B

Motion carried and unanimously that the demolition is approved.

I

Yeah there you go folks.

C

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C

Thank you for your kids or.

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C

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C

Is important so we appreciate you taking the time and and really seeing if there was anything you could do up.

F

To this point, dude.

F

Right way, right back and not you know, cut it in Corners in the junior States along the way.

D

After talking to the mic.

F

No I just wanted to do this, the right way from the very beginning and not cut any corners, and you know make sure that I went through all those steps to make sure that you know it was done the best possible way. It could possibly be done.

C

F

C

You thank you. Good luck.

B

And we are now uh certificate of appropriateness, CA, 48-2022, 111, West, Marion, Avenue information, only new roof in the comments, any information from the staff so.

A

311 West Marion, they requested permission to replace the roof with like same material. It's a commercial structure.

A

um Staff has approved this application because the proposed flat roof complies with code and is in keeping with the character of the surrounding neighborhood. Do you have any questions.

B

No questions. Thank you. Continuing on to.

B

Ca-46-2022 703 West Olympia Avenue information only for a deck.

A

A

Staff has approved this application to construct a new deck in the back of the house. The deck complies with code and is architecturally consistent with the House's character and that of the surrounding structures, and that is the deck there it's already been built. Do you have any questions? Thank.

B

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B

Ca-04-2023 311 Gill Street information only roof.

A

Yes, so staff has approved this CA. uh It was a request for asphalt, shingle removal and replacement on the primary and detached structures. These two slot- or these two pictures here on the left, show the pieces of roof that they wish to replace or shingles. Rather, um the proposed repairs comply with code and are in keeping with the character of the surrounding neighborhood, so we approved it. Questions.

B

A

You, okay, that's all any.

B

Questions from any comments from the board: no.

B

Who's buying breakfast I'm.

I

Brad I do have one comment: I just wanted to let everybody know that with the I spoke with Nancy Johnson and team Punta Gorda the other day and we're trying to reconvene on the Freeman house in February right.

B

Just to give you an update on that yeah super um as a matter of fact, I received it email to that effect as well, and also tonight, if you've accepted it already. This is team. Partagore is meeting.

I

That correct, correct.

E

What time is that meeting.

I

I think she said: 5 30 cocktails six o'clock dinner at the Yacht Club. If I'm not mistaken,.

D

I think is it the pgica yeah.

I

I think it's the pgic.

J

Okay, I think there's.

I

D

A presentation on Sun, Seekers, okay,.

I

A

D

Have it in a large room there.

B

A

I may interject, you guys I, have a comment under staff comments, Brittany Metzler again, um so we are still doing the evaluation and appraisal report of the comprehensive plan and we send out the historic element to you uh to review we're going I'm going to present on it your next meeting February 23rd.

A

So please have everything you would like submitted by then and give me please enough time to go over it and review everything and prepare a presentation and um that's all I.

D

Just want to make sure I sent comments. Did you receive them? Yes,.

E

I did okay, thank you and the deadline is the 31st is what we were told. Yeah.

D

E

B

And would you please resend them to me? I did have a little email difficulty this week and last week. Okay,.

A

Yes, I appreciate.

B

It yep thank you well done by the way.

A

B

B

Any comments from the board any anyone, no.

E

Brad I do have one that's not related to the historic Advisory Board I believe there is a meeting at the Event Center at five o'clock, uh with the Florida Department of Transportation regarding uh 41 North from William Street to the bridge, a couple of hour meeting, and they have plans for 41 that we should all be paying attention to. Okay.

E

Thank you very much for that. That's that's today! That's today, okay,.

B

And hearing no other comments, I'm calling this meeting declaring it adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody yeah have a good weekend.