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From YouTube: Historic Preservation Advisory Board 2-23-2023
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Historic Preservation Advisory Board 2-23-2023
A
A
Good
morning
I'm
Bradford
gambling
chair
of
the
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board
and
welcome
this
morning,
and
if
I
may,
could
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please.
B
D
D
A
A
A
And
that
brings
us
to
election
of
chair
advice
chair.
Let
me
explain
something
here,
because
our
previous
chair
moved
over
to
or
was
elected
and
moved
into,
the
Council
that
created
a
vacancy
and
so
the
very
next
meeting
we
elected
a
chair
and
vice
chair
and
I'm,
not
sure
do
we
call
who
the
vice
chair
was,
that
was
elected.
A
A
C
If
it's
okay
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
that
presentation
sure,
so
we
will
be
each
February
or
any
other
time.
When
we
have
to
have
an
election,
we
will
be
providing
a
presentation
that
gives
an
overview
of
the
responsibilities
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair
that
way.
Everyone
knows
what
it
is.
They
would
actually
need
to
do
so.
The
chair,
and
vice
chair
as
Brad
said,
are
elected
each
February
by
members
of
the
board,
and
they
serve
a
one-year
term.
C
They
can
be
elected
for
three
consecutive
terms.
Then
they
have
to
stop
serving
in
that
position
for
at
least
one
year
and
then
they'd
be
eligible
to
serve
again
as
host
of
the
assembly.
The
chair
performs
a
number
of
duties.
They
run
the
meetings
in
accordance
with
the
agenda.
The
vice
chair
runs
the
meetings
and
the
chair's
absence.
C
C
So
when
it
comes
to
running
meetings,
the
chair
in
coordination
with
the
staff,
is
going
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
quorum
present
and
then
call
the
meeting
to
order.
The
chair
will
review
the
public
comment
procedures
as
necessary
use
a
timer
to
limit
public
comment
to
three
minutes
per
individual
Place
business
on
the
floor.
By
reading
an
agenda
items
title,
they
will
also
keep
discussions
focused
reminding
members
of
the
purpose
of
an
item
and
remaining
areas
to
be
addressed
and
call
for
a
motion.
C
C
The
chair
restates
the
motion
after
discussion
and
calls
for
both
an
eye
vote
and
a
vote
and
announces
the
result
of
that
vote
when
it
comes
to
maintaining
order.
The
chair
should
lead
by
example,
adhere
to
the
rules
of
conduct
and
ensure
board
members
do
as
well
be
fair
and
impartial
in
their
treatment
of
board
members
staff
and
the
public.
C
Insist,
unruly
or
disorderly
individuals
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation,
request:
individuals
who
fail
to
comply
to
leave
the
meeting
recess
the
meeting
if
order
cannot
be
maintained
so
that
it
can
be
restored,
ensure
members
wait
to
be
recognized
before
they
speak
and
intervene
if
board
members
debate
or
argue
with
each
other
to
assert
their
opinion
and
in
accomplishing
all
of
those
things.
The
chair
should
be
comfortable
using
the
gavel
to
enforce
their
wishes
and
with
that
we
can
open
the
election.
C
So
I'll
open
the
floor
for
nominations
for
chair.
C
C
C
A
And
thank
you
both
thank
you
also,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
B
A
We
did
yes,
oh,
we
sure
did
I'm
sorry.
Yes,
anyone
wishing
to
address
the
historic
preservation
Advisory
board
on
any
subject
may
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
During
the
meeting.
This
is
the
appropriate
time.
Those
who
choose
to
speak
must
State
their
name
for
the
record.
Each
person
will
be
allowed
to
speak
up
for
a
maximum
of
three
minutes.
F
Is
it
I
now
or
yes,
okay?
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Sandy
Brandt.
My
first
want
to
thank
you
all
for
stepping
up
to
serve
on
this
board.
I
really
believe
it's
an
important
part
of
our
our
town
and
I
hope
that
some
of
you
do
know
the
personal
struggles
that
one
can
go
through
in
preserving
their
historic
property
in
Punta
Gorda
today.
Is
that
me
too
close
to
this
I
have
can
I
turn
it
down
somehow
or
not.
I.
Don't.
F
I've
spoken
at
previous
hpab
meetings,
asking
for
a
demo
to
be
delayed.
In
that
case,
I
knew
there
was
interest
in
Saving
and
moving
the
structure.
So
I'm
speaking
about
your
first
item
that
you
were
about
to
go
to.
This,
however,
is
a
different
scenario.
F
This
family,
with
four
children,
had
to
immediately
find
other
accommodations
for
their
health.
My
home
is
directly
behind
theirs
and
I
know
that
Mr
Ingram
got
a
tarp
on
the
roof
like
right
away.
We
were
all
flagging
down
the
same
people
that
he
had
had
gotten
there.
F
Mr
Ingram
is
vested
in
this
community
desires
to
rebuild
on
his
property,
raise
his
family
here
and
continue
to
contribute
to
our
community.
We
are
now
five
months
since
the
incident
causing
this
tragedy
requiring
him
to
continue
to
delay
the
demolition
of
his
home
will
only
create
a
serious
financial
burden
of
rent
and
other
storage
expenses.
F
H
A
H
You
yes,
sir,
going
forward
if
I
was
able
to
demo
the
property
and
rebuild
I
want
to
make
note
to
the
mcgibbons
family
that
I
would
reincorporate
part
of
the
house
into
a
new
construction,
build
and
pay
homage
to
the
historic
properties
of
this
house.
H
I've
looked
at
every
way,
I
can
to
try
to
save
it.
I've
had
independent
contractors
pull
bids
for
repair
that
far
exceeds
rebuilding
the
cost.
Just
outweighs
what
I'm
financially
able
to
do
going
forward.
As
stated
I
do
want
to
stay
here.
I've
been
here,
I'm,
10th,
Generation,
Floridian,
very
proud
of
that
I
want
to
continue
that
all
right.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
D
Okay,
so
Brittany
Metzler
planner
Urban
Design.
So,
as
you
said,
the
ca
is
action
required.
The
application
for
this
application
for
a
demolition
staff
recommends
denial
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
since
the
structure
is
located
outside
of
a
designated
historic
district.
The
maximum
effect
of
a
denial
of
this
CA
would
be
a
45
delay
in
the
release
of
the
demolition
permit
from
the
building
department,
and
we
recommend
denial
of
this
CA
because
the
house
is
listed
on
the
Florida
Master
site
file.
B
Just
one
question:
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
last
speaker
was
saying
that
there'd
be
an
effort.
I
see
the
facade.
Perhaps
some
of
this
could
be
preserved
in
the
building
of
a
new
home.
Is
that
correct?
Is
that
the
the
intent
at
this
point
to
try
to
retain
some
of
the
historical
elements
in
a
rebuild?
H
If
able
to
go
forward,
I've
sought
out
Don
B
Construction
who's,
built
numerous
houses
in
the
downtown
area
and
has
done
a
well.
You
know
what
I
feel
a
good
job
portraying
the
historical
Aesthetics
I
would
actually
take
some
of
the
house
itself.
H
Some
of
the
siding
is
White
Cedar
I'd
incorporate
that
if
able
on
the
porch
outside
and
then
as
well
as
I,
have
a
good
piece
of
the
floor
that
I'd
use
as
a
chair
rail
inside
the
new
residency
I
would
be
going
from
like
2500
under
air
to
1488.
So
this
is
completely
downsizing
and
I
can
only
do
so
much
with
a
new
bill,
given
the
square
footage.
H
A
E
I
think
this
is
kind
of
similar
to
the
demolition
request
we
had
last
month,
and
it
seems
to
me
my
personal
opinion
that
that
he's
going
through
too
much
pain
and
Agony
to
try
to
save
this
building.
And
if
we
give
him
his
45
days
from
now,
he'll
get
what
he
wants
anyway.
But
why
put
him
through
the
additional
45-day
trial
and
tribulation
and.
B
A
Opposed
motion
carries
thank
you
for
coming
folks
and
do
appreciate
it
and
do
appreciate
your
concern
of
the
historic
values.
This
is
a
bit
of
a
unique
time
too,
because
of
the
hurricane,
just
kind
of
ripped
a
lot
of
things
up,
and
we
need
to
understand-
and
we
do
understand
that
as
I
look
out
at
my
ripped
up
cage
on
the
Lanai
and
stuff,
so
we
kind
of
get
the
idea.
D
Thank
you,
okay,
on
to
the
information,
only
yes
alrighty,
so
with
the
first
one
that
we
have
of
the
information.
Only
is
the
ca05
2023
for
459
West
red
at
Esplanade.
This
applicant
proposed
to
have
a
contractor,
remove
the
existing
asphalt,
shingle
roof
and
we'll
place
it
with
like,
say
material
for
the
entire
roof.
Staff
has
approved
the
ca
because
the
roof,
removal
and
replacement
complies
with
code
and
the
material
is
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
D
So
this
next
ca06
2023
215
Goldstein
Street
the
applicant
proposed
to
have
a
contract
to
remove
the
existing
asphalt
shingle
roof
and
replace
it
with
like
same
material
on
both
the
primary
and
auxiliary
structures.
Staff
has
approved
this
CA
because
the
removal
and
replacement
of
the
roof
complies
with
code
and
the
new
roof
is
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
D
At
the
applicant
proposed
to
have
a
contract
to
remove
the
existing
asphalt,
shingle
roof
and
replace
it
with
like
same
material
for
the
entire
roof
and
staff
has
approved
the
ca,
because
the
proposed
roof
complies
with
code
and
is
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
That's
all
I
have
for
cdas.
D
Okay,
but
moving
on
I
do
have
a
second
part
of
my
presentation,
which
is
on
the
comprehensive
Plan
update
of
the
historic
element,
and
please
hold
your
questions
to
the
end,
because
it's
real
easy
for
me
to
digress
and
team
gentle
eyes
Okay.
So
the
historic
element
is
the
12th
of
13
elements
in
the
comprehensive
plan
in
2013.
The
city
started
drafting
the
historic
elements,
so
our
long-range
planning,
Envision
visioning
document.
The
comprehensive
plan
would
reflect
our
desire
to
preserve
our
community's
past.
This
process
was
a
volunteer
effort
and
concert
with
city
city
staff.
D
D
So
since
the
current
version
of
the
historic
element
was
last
adopted
in
2015,
we've
completed
two
major
undertakings
that
must
be
included
in
the
document.
Those
undertakings
were
the
2016
historic
resources
survey
and
the
2019
climate
adaptation
plan,
and
we
also
adopt
updated
the
local
historic
register
and
districts.
D
So
staff
has
reached
out
to
members
of
the
Punta
Gorda
historic
Center,
the
Punta
Gorda
Historical
Society,
the
Blanchard
House
Museum,
the
Punta
Gorda,
historic
mural
society
and
hpab
members,
as
well
as
others,
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
Dover
coal
draft
copy,
though
not
all
of
those
contacted
return
comments,
many
did
and
their
comments
have
been
compiled
and
will
be
sent
back
to
the
consultant
for
their
review
and
inclusion.
The
review
and
recommendation
process
is
still
ongoing
and
we
will
continue
to
accept
comments
from
City
advisory
members.
B
I
For
the
record
Mitchell
Austin,
Urban
Design,
the
city
does
have
its
comprehensive
plan.
Amendments
due
to
the
state
by
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
or
city
staff
at
this
time
anticipates
that
the
formal
review
process
will
begin
late
summer.
D
C
A
I
do
have
one
question
that
was
raised
to
me,
not
by
a
board
member
but
by
one
of
our
constituents
or
two
of
them
actually
saying
that
the
bylaw
revision
or
the
bylaws,
our
public
record,
and
they
had
looked
at
them
and
here
on
for
the
each
historic
preservation.
Advisory
Board
is
a
requirement
in
the
bylaws
that,
if
you
vote
negatively
on
an
issue,
you
may
be
required
to
explain
why
you
voted
no,
and
that
seemed
that's
a
little
unusual,
or
at
least
they
thought
it.
They
didn't
I.
Didn't
it's
not
no!.
C
That's
not
unusual
any
of
the
matters
that
come
before
a
board
that
involve
criteria
that
are
being
considered.
If
somebody
votes
to
reject
an
application,
a
criteria
should
be
cited
as
the
reason
for
the
member
to
vote
now.
C
So
this
is
something
that
we
are
going
to
be
doing
annually
going
forward,
probably
in
the
February
meeting
since
we'll
be
here.
Anyways
for
the
chair
presentation
as
well,
so
effective
boards
are
those
that
remain
forward-looking,
understand
the
duties
and
responsibilities
within
their
purview,
as
defined
by
the
bylaws
and
chapter
26.
In
your
case,
prioritize,
the
purpose
of
the
board
over
personal
desires
treat
staff,
the
public
and
fellow
members
with
respect
and
follow
council's
adopted
rules
of
conduct
which
are
respect.
C
So
we've
already
gone
through
the
chair
and
vice
chair
portion.
Let
me
just
skip
through
that
board.
Members
are
going
to
be
responsible
and
the
chair
as
well,
for
reading
agenda
material
in
advance,
speaking
with
staff
regarding
non-agenda
issues,
before
or
after
a
meeting
listening
respectfully
to
fellow
members,
staff
applicants
and
the
public
waiting
to
be
recognized
before
the
chair
before
speaking
by
either
raising
a
hand
or
stating
Mr
chair
or
a
medium
chair.
C
Referring
to
the
chair
by
title
as
Mr,
chair
or
Madame,
chair
Focus
comments
and
discussions
on
the
item
at
hand
to
speak
clearly
and
audibly
into
the
microphone.
As
you
probably
have
noticed,
you
need
to
be
very
close
to
the
microphones
in
order
for
them
to
pick
you
up
and
make
sure
that
the
light
at
the
base
is
green,
refrain
from
engaging
in
sidebar
conversations
as
those
are
Sunshine
Law
violation
that
can
carry
certain
consequences.
C
C
Those
are
very
limited
and
we
will
go
into
that
in
more
detail
later
on
board
members
should
also
conform
to
all
rules
established
by
the
city,
including
the
rules
outlined
in
the
board
member
handbook,
City's
rules
of
conduct,
the
city's
facility
rules
and
advice
from
the
city's
attorneys.
Do
we
have
any
questions
so
far.
C
The
sport
does
have
alternates
alternate
members
are
to
comply
with
all
the
same
requirements
as
board
members
on
the
previous
slide.
They
only
serve
in
the
absence
of
a
regular
member.
They
do
benefit
from
attendance
of
all
meetings,
since
many
of
the
items
like
the
historic
element
update,
do
carry
forward
from
one
meeting
to
the
next.
C
They
may
not
vote
on
an
item
unless
they
are
seated
at
the
diocese
in
place
of
an
absent
member
staff.
Will
try
to
ensure
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
each
alternate
to
participate
in
the
meetings
by
asking
when
to
attend.
When
there's
an
absence,
then
asking
the
other,
if
they'll
be
able
to
attend
at
the
next
meeting,
where
there's
an
absence,
they
are
informed
of
opportunities
to
seek
appointment
to
a
regular
seat.
If
one
does
become
available,
there
are
two
departments
that
the
board
will
be
involved
with.
C
One
is
our
office,
the
city
clerk's
office.
We
track
appointments
and
attendance
administer
the
oath
of
office
to
new
board
members,
provide
an
orientation
and
educational
materials,
assist
the
board
with
meeting
procedures
as
necessary
and
provide
a
recording
secretary
who
prepares,
minutes
and
recordings.
C
C
In
order
to
have
a
meeting
we
first
have
to
have
a
quorum,
for
that
is
a
physical
presence
of
a
majority
of
the
total
regular
seats
on
the
board
for
your
board
as
a
seven
member
board.
That
is
going
to
be
a
minimum
of
four
members
present
in
the
room
to
start
the
meeting
it's
required
in
order
to
be
called
the
meeting
to
order,
but
then
it
also
has
to
be
maintained
throughout
the
meeting.
C
The
board
is
limited
to
taking
these
procedural
actions
recessing,
at
which
point
staff
will
then
attempt
to
contact
alternates
or
other
board
members
who
aren't
present
to
try
to
obtain
a
quorum,
and
then,
if
that
cannot
be
accomplished,
we
would
have
to
adjourn
for
median
etiquette.
We
ask
that
members
try
to
arrive
five
to
ten
minutes
prior
to
the
start
of
the
meeting.
That
way
we
can
determine
if
we
are
looking
at
a
potential
Quorum
issue,
so
we
can
begin
contacting
members.
C
We
ask
that
each
person
wait
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair
before
speaking.
It
helps
us
when
we're
working
on
transcribing
the
minutes,
and
it
also
does
help
the
discussions
flow
better.
If
we
don't
have
multiple
people
trying
to
speak
over
each
other
and
to
that
point
we
do
ask
that
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time.
Comments
should
be
confined
to
the
current
issue
with
repetition.
Avoided
discussion
should
alternate
between
pro
and
con
arguments
when
appropriate,
sometimes
everyone's
on
the
same
page.
So
that
can't
be
done.
C
No
lengthy
papers
should
be
read
during
the
meeting
and
sidebar
conversations
are
again
prohibited.
As
the
re
Sunshine,
Law
violation,
verbal
attacks
of
members,
staff
applicants
or
the
public
will
not
be
tolerated
and
rules
are,
of
course,
to
be
respected
and
obeyed
for
our
meeting
procedures.
The
chair
with
staff
will
make
sure
there's
a
quorum
established
and
then
the
meeting
can
be
called
to
order
at
the
appropriate
time.
C
The
public
comment
procedures
can
then
be
reviewed
if
necessary.
If
public
comment
is
to
be
made,
a
timer
will
be
used
to
limit
individuals
to
three
minutes
with
just
one
opportunity
to
be
heard.
Businesses
placed
on
the
floor
by
The
Chair
by
reading
the
agenda
items
title.
The
current
agenda
item
has
to
be
dispensed
with
before
proceeding
to
the
next
item.
C
The
chair
keeps
discussion,
focused
and
might
end
up
reminding
members
of
the
purpose
of
the
item
and
any
remaining
areas
to
be
addressed.
If
discussion
either
becomes
repetitious
or
off
topic,
the
chair
might
call
for
a
motion.
If
no
dew
points
are
made
and
it
will
end
any
sidebar
conversations
they
observe
the
chair
also
ensures
proper
motions
are
made,
including
calling
for
motions
when
necessary.
Ensuring
it's
been
seconded
before
discussion
begins
announcing.
The
motion
has
died
if
it
is
not
seconded
and
restating.
C
C
Let's
see
public
hearings
include
presentations
of
up
to
30
minutes
by
staff,
the
applicant
and
any
interveners,
if
applicable,
followed
by
a
public
comment
period.
Public
hearings
are
somewhat
rare
with
the
historic
preservation
Advisory
Board.
This
is
being
done
just
to
let
everyone
know
if
one
did
come.
This
is
how
it
would
be
handled.
C
Public
comment
period
is
intended
for
members
to
take
in
the
views
of
the
public.
It
is
not
a
question
and
answer
session
comments
are
limited
to
a
maximum
of
three
minutes
per
speaker.
There
is
no
limit
to
the
number
of
people
who
can
speak.
The
chair
should
call
three
times
for
public
comment
and
then
public
hearings
must
be
closed
by
motion.
C
Then
my
member
discussion
can
take
place
and
a
motion
would
be
required
if
there
was
a
public
hearing
either
to
recommend
approval,
approval
with
conditions,
denial
or
continuance
to
a
date.
Certain
those
voting
in
opposition
to
a
request
must
cite
a
reason
for
doing
so
following
the
vote
and
that
reason
must
relate
to
the
criteria
for
the
public
hearing
being
considered.
C
The
city
does
not
strictly
follow
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
for
parliamentary
procedure.
Instead,
the
chair
is
going
to
mainly
be
responsible
for
explaining
to
the
public
what
the
board
is
doing.
Keeping
the
board
and
public
informed
while
proceeding
with
an
item
and
announcing
the
result
of
any
action
taken
by
the
board,
as
well
as
injuring
that
decorum
is
maintained
and
both
board
members
in
the
public
are
adhering
to
the
city's
rules.
C
Members
are
responsible
for
waiting
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair
prior
to
speaking,
staying
focused
on
the
topic
at
hand,
avoiding
repetitious
discussion
and
making
motions
as
needed.
Did
we
have
a
question?
Okay,
motions
signal,
the
desire
to
take
a
specific
action
to
be
voted
on
by
all
members
at
the
diocese.
There
are
seven
steps
to
making
a
motion.
C
It
begins
with
a
member
asking
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair
and
then
the
chair
recognizing
that
member,
the
member
can
then
State
their
motion
and
then
another
member
can
second
that
motion
without
being
recognized
by
the
chair.
First,
if
not
seconded
the
motion
is
going
to
die
and
the
chair
should
announce
that
result.
Discussion
does
not
begin
until
emotion
is
seconded
it's
okay
to
Second
emotion,
even
if
you
don't
want
to
vote
in
favor
of
that
motion
just
so
that
discussion
can
occur.
C
C
C
C
Only
two
amendments
may
be
offered
at
a
time
before
the
Second
Amendment
must
be
voted
on
if
the
Second
Amendment
passes,
it's
incorporated
into
the
First
Amendment
following
any
remaining
discussion
of
the
First
Amendment,
a
vote
that
needs
to
be
taken
on
that
as
well,
and
then
a
vote
on
the
main
motion
as
it
is
or
is
not
amended
at
that
point
needs
to
be
taken
still
further.
Amendments
may
be
proposed
after
the
first
to
are
disposed
of.
C
There
are
three
types
of
amendments
that
can
be
offered
to
AdWords,
delete
words
or
substitute
words.
Here
we
have
an
example:
Mr
Smith
moves
to
a
recommend
approval
of
a
plaid
application.
This
Jacobson
seconds
the
motion,
the
chair
states
that
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
to
recommend
approval
of
the
plot
application.
C
Another
member
asks
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair.
The
chair
recognizes
that
member
then
that
member
states
that
they
move
to
amend
the
motion
by
adding
subject
to
staff
review
after
application
and
someone
seconds
that
another
member
asks
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair.
The
chair
recognizes
that
member.
Then
they
offer
a
further
amendment
to
replace
staff
with
legal
and
someone
seconds
that
Amendment
as
well.
C
The
chair
asks,
if
there's
any
discussion
on
that
second
amendment.
If
there
is
no
discussion,
then
you
will
go
ahead
and
proceed
to
a
vote
on
the
amendment.
In
this
case
to
replace
staff
with
legal.
The
chair
would
call
for
a
vote,
those
in
favor
and
those
against
and
announce
whether
or
not
the
motion
carries
in
this
example
it
does.
C
C
Once
there
is
no
discussion,
then
the
chair
can
request
a
vote,
call
for
those
in
favor
of
and
opposed
to,
the
amendment
to
add,
subject
to
Legal
review
at
that
point,
you've
approved
both
of
the
Amendments
that
were
proposed,
but
the
main
motion
has
not
been
passed,
so
the
chair
would
then
need
to
call
for
a
vote
on
the
main
motion.
Still.
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
where
we
are
happy
to
help.
C
If
the
board
has
questions
about
the
process
to
amend
a
motion,
there
are
many
types
of
motions
that
can
be
made,
such
as
to
call
a
point
of
privilege.
For
example,
if
there's
a
lot
of
noise
going
on
outside
the
room,
a
member
could
call
a
point
of
privilege
to
address
the
noise
and
then
the
chair
can
decide
whether
or
not,
for
example,
we
might
need
to
close
the
door
at
the
bottom
of
the
auditorium
or
back
at
the
Top
If
it's
open.
C
All
of
our
boards
are
subject
to
the
Sunshine
Law.
This
applies
to
any
physical
or
virtual
Gathering
of
two
or
more
members
of
the
same
elected
or
appointed
board.
No
two
or
more
members
of
a
board
may
discuss
City
business
that
is
likely
to
come
before
their
board
outside
of
a
properly
noticed
public
meeting,
which
has
been
called
to
order
which
has
a
quorum
and
at
which
minutes
are
taken.
C
Discussion
of
City
business
before
the
meeting
is
called
to
order
or
following
adjournment
of
the
meeting,
even
if
you're
in
the
room
where
the
meeting
is
held
is
still
a
violation
of
the
Sunshine
Law
written
correspondence
by
one
member
to
inform
others
of
the
subject
to
be
discussed
at
a
meeting
is
not
a
violation.
Unless
discussion
takes
place
prior
to
the
meeting,
so
in
theory,
you
could
email
something
to
your
fellow
members.
If
you
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
them
to
be
aware
of
that
prior
to
the
next
meeting.
C
However,
if
a
member
then
replies
to
your
email
making
comments
and
questions
about
what
you
have
sent
to
them,
then
a
Sunshine
Law
violation
has
occurred.
So
we
strongly
discourage
members
from
communicating
by
email
outside
of
meetings.
If
you
are
going
to
do
that,
make
sure
you
include
somewhere
in
the
email,
preferably
in
the
beginning,
a
comment
reminding
your
fellow
members
not
to
reply
to
your
message.
C
Telephone
participation
by
an
absent
member
is
technically
permissible
when
there
is
a
quorum
of
the
board
physically
present,
and
the
absence
is
due
to
extraordinary
circumstances
such
as
illness
and
the
board
approved
such
participation.
We
are
somewhat
limited
in
our
ability
to
accommodate
that
here.
So,
for
example,
if
someone
knows
they're
going
to
have
surgery,
so
they
won't
be
able
to
make
it
to
a
meeting.
We
would
ask
that
you,
let
us
know
in
advance,
so
we
can
determine
whether
or
not
we
could
try
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
accommodate
telephonic
participation.
C
C
If,
however,
they
begin
to
shout
out
during
the
meeting
that
would
be
disruptive,
there
are
laws
saying
that
you
cannot
disrupt
a
lawful
public
meeting,
so
that
would
be
an
example
of
where
the
chair
would
need
to
ask
a
member
to
come
to
order
a
member
of
the
public
that
is,
and
if
that
can't
be
obtained.
If
order
cannot
be
obtained,
then
the
meeting
would
need
to
be
recessed
consequences
for
violation
of
the
Sunshine.
Law
include
criminal
penalties,
removal
from
Office,
non-criminal
charges,
fines
and
attorney
fees.
C
Public
records
are
defined
as
all
documents
papers,
letters,
Maps,
books,
tapes,
photographs,
films,
sound
recordings,
data
processing,
software,
computer
records,
email
or
other
material,
regardless
of
physical
form,
characteristics
or
means
of
transmission
made
or
received
participant
to
law
or
ordinance
or
in
connection
with
the
transaction
of
official
business.
By
any
any
agency,
the
Florida
Supreme
Court
interpreted
this
to
Encompass
all
materials
made
or
received
by
an
agency
or
board
in
connection
with
official
business,
which
are
used
to
perpetuate
communicate
or
formalize
knowledge.
C
The
content
of
a
record
determines,
if
it's
a
record,
a
public
record,
specifically
not
the
format,
so
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
post
on
social
media
about
something
coming
before
the
board
or
if
it's
an
email
or
if
it's
an
actual
piece
of
paper,
you
can
touch
it's
what's
contained
in
that
record.
That
determines
if
it's
a
public
record
subject
to
the
state
retention
record
schedules.
C
Public
records
include
social
media
posts
regarding
official
business
records
to
or
from
board
members
regarding,
City
business
are
public
records.
So
if
a
friend
were
to
email,
you
about
a
demolition
application,
that's
to
come
up
for
the
board.
That
would
be
a
public
record
which
you
would
then
need
to
forward
to
us
so
that
we
can
make
sure
it's
maintained
for
the
appropriate
amount
of
time.
C
Public
records
must
be
retained
and
disposed
of
in
accordance
with
the
state's
general
records
schedules.
At
the
end
of
a
member's
term
of
appointment,
records
should
be
provided
to
a
member's
successor
or
the
city
clerk's
office,
if
you
happen
to
have
any
records,
must
not
be
destroyed
or
otherwise
disposed
of.
Prior
to
meeting
the
required
retention
period
established
for
the
appropriate
state
general
records
schedule.
C
If
you
do
receive
an
email,
that's
not
from
or
to
a
city
staff
member,
you
can
forward
it
to
retention
at
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
fl.com,
and
it
will
be
archived
in
the
same
system.
All
of
their
staff.
Emails
are
archived
in,
so
you
will
no
longer
have
to
worry
about
keeping
that
email
in
your
Gmail
box
for
x
amount
of
years.
C
The
board
is
also
subject
to
certain
laws.
Regarding
ethics,
Florida,
Statutes,
chapter
112,
part
3
provides
for
the
code
of
ethics
for
public
officers
and
employees,
a
guide
to
the
sunshine
Amendment
and
code
of
ethics
for
public
officers
and
employees
is
published
annually
by
the
Florida
Commission
on
ethics.
C
Members
are
given
this
when
they
begin,
but
would
everyone
like
a
copy
of
the
most
recent
Edition
okay
I'll,
send
that
out
after
this
meeting,
then
the
law
details,
prohibited
actions
and
conduct
voting
conflicts
of
interest,
Financial
disclosures
among
other
things,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
most
pertain
to
the
board.
Penalties
for
violating
the
code
of
ethics
range
from
a
misdemeanor
to
a
felony
of
the
third
degree,
as
well
as
removal
from
Office
public
censure,
a
civil
penalty
not
to
exceed
ten
thousand
dollars
in
restitution
of
any
pecuniary
benefits
received.
C
Article
2,
Section
5
of
the
Florida
Constitution
prohibits
any
person
from
serving
on
more
than
one
decision-making
board,
so
you
can't
serve
on
our
code
enforcement
board
and
also
our
building
board.
The
historic
preservation.
Advisory
Board
is
a
recommending
board,
so
you
are
not
limited
from
serving
on
an
additional
board
as
long
as
council
is
amenable
to
appointing
members
to
more
than
one
board.
Currently,
they
have
indicated
a
desire
not
to
do
that,
but
that
is
always
subject
to
change
in
the
future.
C
C
However,
Florida
Statutes
112.3143
defines
conflicts
of
interest,
and
we
have
a
summary,
not
the
exact
word
of
Statute,
so
I
will
review.
This
individuals
must
abstain
from
voting
on
a
measure
which
would
adhere
to
his
or
her
special
private
gain
or
loss
or
nearer
to
the
special
private
gain
or
loss
of
a
relative
business
associate
or
principal
other
than
the
government
agency,
by
whom
he
or
she
is
retained,
including
the
parent,
subsidiary
or
sibling
organization
of
a
principle
by
which
he
or
she
is
retained.
C
So
it's
going
to
be
very
rare
that
a
member
of
the
board
has
a
conflict
of
interest
that
would
prohibit
them
from
voting
on
a
matter
coming
before
the
board.
If
you
think
you
do
have
a
conflict
of
interest
reach
out
to
our
office
and
we
will
help
you
determine
whether
or
not
one
does
exist,
and
if
it
does,
we
can
provide
you
with
the
appropriate
form
which
must
be
filed
in
order
to
abstain
from
voting.
C
A
I
E
Yeah
this
is
Mr
chair.
This
is
David
Perry
speaking
at
80
years
old.
We
had
another
meeting
this
week.
E
It
was
a
team
Punta
Gorda
regarding
the
the
free
friends
of
Freeman
house
and
we're
scheduling
another
meeting
for
the
end
of
March
trying
to
to
get
the
people
from
the
boroughs
house
in
Fort
Myers
to
come
up
and
explain
how
they've
identified
specific
uses
and
how
they
fund
the
boroughs
house,
so
that
we
can
it's
one
thing
to
fix
the
house,
but
it
has
to
be
sustainable
in
the
long
run,
and
so
that's
what
our
goal
of
that
meeting
is
to
try
to
determine
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
the
board
an
update.