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A
B
B
Good
morning
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
July
12th
city
council
meeting,
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
City
officials
are
present.
If
you
please
stand
and
join
me
for
a
moment
of
silence,
we
do
not
have
an
official
invocation
this
morning
and
then
we
will
do
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
B
B
Okay,
there
are
no
official
announcements
this
morning.
Our
next
meeting
will
not
be
until
August,
23rd
Council
will
go
on
their
their
annual
summer
break
after
today's
meeting.
B
Do
we
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda,
anything
that
needs
to
be
moved
around?
Okay,
if
there's
anyone
in
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
introduce
themselves
as
a
board
or
committee
nominee,
and
you
would
like
to
say
hello
to
the
council
and
tell
us
a
little
about
yourself.
You
may
come
to
the
podium
and
you
have
three
minutes.
B
This
is
only
for
Border
committee
announcements
at
this
time.
If
you
have
a
resume
that
you
have
submitted
for
a
border
committee.
Appointment
okay,
before
we
get
to
the
public
comment
period
of
the
meeting,
I
have
some
housekeeping
notes
that
I
would
like
to
read
into
the
record.
B
Please
silence
all
personal
devices
as
this
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
it
disrupts
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proceedings
when
phones
go
off
during
the
meeting.
There's
a
Code
of
Conduct
in
the
council
chambers,
members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
rules
on
on
the
chart
in
front
of
us
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
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use
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guest
Podium
at
the
center
of
the
room.
The
podium
to
the
right
of
the
stage
is
for
staff
and
applicant
presentations
only
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
B
If
it
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
please
also
state
that
you
have
been
sworn
in
and
we
do
have
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
today.
So
we'll
have
a
swear
in
period
before
we
do
that
hearing
each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak
on
a
subject.
B
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation,
no
applause,
sidebar
conversations
or
booing
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
Please
refrain
from
talking
in
the
audience
during
the
meeting.
If
you
have
supporting
documents
you
wish
displayed
during
the
meeting,
you
must
provide
a
copy
to
the
city
clerk
and
they
become
part
of
the
permanent
record.
B
The
citizens
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizen
comments.
Only
and
council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public
at
this
time.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
Counsel
on
any
issue,
please
come
to
the
podium
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
Please
state
your
name
for
the
record.
D
Yeah,
so
that's
a
lot
better,
but
this
New
York
accent
does
tend
to
carry
you're
getting
your
money's
worth
with
that
building
on
Cooper
Street
between
his
Fusion
of
the
YMCA
and
Cooper
Street.
It
just
serves
the
community
illuminates
the
neighborhood
and
the
entire
Community.
Now
we
have
almost
100
kids
now,
whatever
that
least,
is
costing
it's
worth
it
you're
guaranteeing
the
success
of
80
kids
at
a
time.
It's
just
it's
just
a
wonderful
thing
to
see.
We
have
a
celebration.
D
C
E
So
it's
a
miracle
when
I
get
up
in
the
morning
and
Dr
asparilla
has
been
a
major
inspiration
and
change
in
my
life.
It
was
not
just
my
infection
special.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
he
became
my
mentor
in
life
now
I'm
happy
to
see
that
I've
seen
somebody
saying
they're
going
to
put
water
quality
up
front
I
want
to
see
the
resolution.
I
would
like
you
to
get
in
touch
with
Janet
Knowlton.
E
E
Tell
you
what
we
have
another
disaster
like
in
2016,
250
million
gallons
burned
through
the
Limestone
and
dumped
for
19
days
before
Mosaic
notified
the
public.
This
isn't
our
small
joke.
Governor
signing
the
bill
for
fossil
Gypsum
to
be
used
in
roads,
radioactive
waste
people
because
they
do
it
in
China.
E
F
Good
morning,
Janine
Polk
stakeholder
I
recently
have
noticed
that
parking
in
some
of
my
favorite
towns
or
cities
looks
much
different
than
what
our
city
is
proposing
for
a
new
development
I
took
the
opportunity
to
look
at
their
Land
Development
regulations
and
found
that
they
are
not
even
close
to
these
new
proposals.
For
instance,
in
Bonita
parking
for
commercial
office,
medical
is
4.5
spaces
per
1000
square
feet,
restaurants
and
bakeries
in
Bonita
13
spaces
per
1000
square
feet,
plus
one
space
per
four
outdoor
seats.
F
So
they
consider
that
Venice
another
place,
retail
sales,
four
parking
spaces
per
one
thousand
square
feet:
restaurants
in
Venice,
six
parking
spaces
per
one
thousand
square
feet,
including
rooftop
dining
professional
offices,
2.5
parking
spaces
per
1,
000
square
feet,
Stuart
commercial
office,
Business
and
Professional;
one
parking
space
for
300
square
feet;
restaurants,
one
parking
space
per
three
seats,
plus
a
space
for
each
employee
and
in
Stuart
for
retail
one
parking
space
for
every
200
square
feet;
Naples
same
thing:
commercial,
commercial
uses
like
retail
sales,
one
space
per
300
square
feet,
and
so
my
point
is
there's
plenty
of
other
vibrant
cities
with
predominantly
retired
citizens.
F
That
are
similar
to
Punta
Gorda,
with
parking
requirements
that
make
sense.
These
towns
are
not
rushing
to
the
latest
new
urbanism
craze,
which
is
essentially
driven
by
climate
change
activists,
who
don't
want
people
driving
to
get
from
one
place
to
another.
They
want
to
control
us
through
the
Restriction
of
curbside
space
for
cars,
all
in
the
name
of
climate
change
and
social
justice.
So
please
be
aware
that
our
predominantly
retired
Community
does
not
need
high
density,
live
work,
condo
developments
with
substandard
parking
right
in
the
center
of
our
downtown.
Again,
we
have
a
pub.
F
G
I
H
H
H
Kimberly
horn
cited
nationally
accepted
sources
to
determine
shared
parking
demand
for
the
site,
specifically
the
Urban
Land
Institute
second
edition
shared
parking
published
in
January
of
2005..
This
is
not
a
nationally
accepted
source.
The
national
accepted
source
is
the
third
edition
of
the
Uli
shared
parking
published
in
February
2020,
a
database
driven
software.
G
H
Long
way
in
helping
future
development,
so
they
know
the
clear
path
it
gets
worse.
At
the
follow-up
meeting
with
the
city
manager
in
Urban,
Design
I
presented
evidence
the
Kimberly
horn
in
the
Kimberly
horn
report.
That
clearly
shows
that
the
engineer
that
signed
the
report
used
another
engineer's
license
number.
H
H
G
J
Today,
your
staffers
are
seeking
Clarity
on
additional
allowances
for
height.
Additional
allowances
are
critical
for
things
like
elevator
shafts,
which
will
necessarily
extend
above
the
roof
line.
If
that
is
included
in
your
80
foot
overall
height,
you
lose
a
floor
of
habitable
floor
space
allowances
for
decorative
roof
lines
like
parapets,
mansard,
roofs
or
Towers,
provide
articulation
and
interesting
architecture
in
your
downtown
and
also
serve
a
practical
purpose.
It
helps
to
hide
the
rooftop
equipment
things
like
your
air
conditioning
units.
J
The
things
that
have
to
be
placed
on
the
roof
80
foot
is
necessary
to
accommodate
the
density
that
makes
a
project
financially
feasible
and
allows
a
site
to
provide
parking.
Please
do
not
reduce
the
80
foot
by
requiring
architectural
and
mechanical
features
to
be
included
in
that
height
limit.
The
other
concern
today
is
parking
and-
and
we've
had
several
people
discuss
that,
specifically
the
0.5
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
required
to
be
open
to
the
public
in
exchange
for
the
80
foot.
J
I
support
the
requirement
for
an
additional
0.5
spaces
per
dwelling
Ute
or
a
total
of
1.5
spaces
per
du,
rather
than
the
one
unit
per
dwelling
unit.
That
is
the
base
in
return
for
the
80
foot
height,
but
1.5
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
means
that
enough
spaces
are
provided
on
site
to
accommodate
the
residents
and
their
guests
with
no
burden
placed
on
off-site
parking
in
the
downtown.
J
If
you
acquire
those
extra
0.5
spaces
to
be
open
to
the
public,
you've
created
a
situation
where
the
developer
can't
guarantee
that
tenants
will
have
a
space
available
to
park
in
when
they
come
return
to
the
to
their
home,
and
you
have
defeated
your
purpose
absolutely
require
an
additional
0.5
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
in
order
to
qualify
for
the
80
feet,
but
do
not
require
the
that
those
spaces
be
open
to
the
public.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
Good
morning,
city
council,
Bob
Seifert,
president
of
the
historic
Potter
civic
association.
There
is
no
charm
and
Beauty
in
a
vacant
five
and
a
half
acre
lot
in
our
downtown
core.
There's
reason:
the
situation
has
remained
for
almost
two
decades,
and
that
is
the
building
height
restrictions
in
our
regulations
and
our
procedures.
K
What
is
currently
proposed
is
what
many
Florida
residents
communities
use
to
regulate
their
building
Heights.
It's
not
a
wild
and
crazy
idea,
but
reasonable
height
restrictions
that
will
control
our
Downtown
Development,
restrict
the
building
Heights
and
allow
return
on
the
investment
of
builders.
No.
L
K
If
a
builder
wants
to
build
65
feet,
One
More
Story
over
the
50
or
two
stories
at
80
feet,
there
are
significant
mitigation.
They
have
to
do
an
example
being
a
financial
contribution
towards
the
parking
garage
in
the
event
center.
We
are
all
tired
of
the
vacant,
parcel
downtown
and
desire
a
vibrant,
attractive,
downtown
core.
Now
is
the
time
to
fix
that
problem.
Well,
we
will
endure
another
20
years
with
no
development
there.
An
additional
benefit
of
Business
Development
in
the
city
is
the
Improvement
increase
in
taxes.
K
K
You
have
created
a
reasonable
regulation
and
the
last
meeting
to
address
the
commercial
communities
desire
for
an
attractive
environment,
downtown,
making
the
situation
economically
viable
for
the
builders
and
reducing
our
tax
burden.
I
appreciate
all
the
study,
time
effort
and
consideration
has
gone
into
this
topic,
it's
time
to
approve
it
and
get
started.
Thank
you.
M
Hello,
my
name
is
Albert
de
Chiara
and
I'm
resident
here
for
five
years.
My
wife
and
I
moved
here
specifically
because
of
the
nice
Village
we
drove
through
it
by
accident
accident
and
that's
what
we
love
so
tall
development,
especially
if
the
buildings
are
right.
On
top
of
the
sidewalk
with
no
setbacks
would
make
the
town
Village
less
attractive,
I
think
less
attractive
for
people.
Certainly,
people
would
have
a
hard
time
walking
around.
M
We
have
a
hard
time
walking
around
the
sunloft
building
right
now,
which
I've
heard
there's
been
a
couple:
people
who
fell
off
and
were
injured
or
killed
from
that,
but
in
either
case
I
always
have
a
hard
time
walking
in
and
out
of
the
cars
just
to
get
around
the
sunloft
building
during
the
during
the
season.
So
setbacks
are
a
huge
thing:
Green,
Space
and
overall
height,
Sun,
Loft
height
is
fine.
You
go
much
higher.
M
I
would
concur
with
everything
I
heard
today
on
parking.
That's
it
thank
you,
set
setbacks
and
green
space.
Thank
you.
N
My
name
is
Mike
Polk
and
I
was
born
here.
The
ldrs
you're
proposing
will
not
preserve
the
small
town
character
upon
award
I
know,
will
they
increase
diversity
and
vibrancy.
The
Dover
coal
study
provided
for
the
for
the
City
Marketplace
to
be
developed
at
a
density
of
47
units
break
or
approximately
20
percent
of
the
project
being
crisis
comprised
of
office
and
retail
space.
Your
proposed
density
of
90
units
per
acre
is
26
percent
higher,
with
no
guarantee
of
any
commercial
space.
N
You
have
no
proposals
in
front
of
you
and
your
only
basis
for
this
increase
is
that
you've
been
lobbied
by
the
owner
owners
of
City
Marketplace
through
their
Advocates
to
raise
the
density,
so
they
can
support
their
list.
Price
I've
heard
statements
from
these
same
Advocates
that
the
price
of
the
site
has
no
impact
on
the
feasibility
of
a
president
development
on
the
site
and
the
developer
is
only
making
67
percent
on
these
projects.
N
These
statements
are
blatantly
wrong
and
in
and
are
in
conflict
with
common
sense,
who
would
risk
150
million
dollars
on
a
project
with
a
67
percent
profit
margin.
One
cost
increase
in
your
profit.
Would
be
wiped
out,
we
all
want
the
same
thing,
a
project
on
the
City
Marketplace
site
that
will
create
a
Synergy
to
propel
future
growth
for
the
city.
However,
your
proposal
to
increase
the
densities
to
the
extremes
you
are
going
to
will
end
up
and
you're
losing
control
over
what
is
to
be
developed.
Once
you
allow
these
densities,
you
can't
go
back.
N
The
last
proposal
had
a
density
of
over
72
units
per
acre
and
only
seven
seven
percent
of
the
project
was
commercial
space.
When
we
met
with
the
staff
last
month,
we
were
told
that,
under
the
new
proposed
ldr
structure,
a
potential
developer
may
not
be
required
to
develop
any
commercial
space.
You
can't
force
development.
Residential
Condominiums
are
probably
the
only
use
that
will
be
feasible
today
and
due
to
the
existing
supply
of
resales.
That's
even
doubtful.
N
I
have
run
projections
on
apartments
on
the
site
and
the
current
market
rental
rates
prevalent
in
the
Punta
Gorda
area
would
not
support
of
apartment
development
either.
We
are
actually
lucky
that
the
City
Marketplace
site
was
not
redeveloped
after
Hurricane
Charlie,
any
as
any
development
would
most
likely
be
functional
obsolete.
At
this
point,
the
office
Market
has
been
changed
dramatically
since
covet
with
more
employers
allowing
employees
to
work
from
home.
N
Moreover,
local
retail
has
also
been
negatively
impacted
by
the
internet
Amazon
and
the
big
box
stores.
The
most
prevalent
uses
for
retail
downtown
are
restaurants,
bars
and
salons,
which
have
a
higher
turnover
of
customers
and
generally
require
more
parking,
I
challenge.
Anyone
to
submit
a
pro
form
on
this
site
that
shows
development
is
feasible
at
the
densities
proposed
at
the
current
list
price.
We
need
a
well-planned
mixed-use
project
on
the
City
Marketplace
site
that
will
accommodate
uses
that
are
currently
in
demand
and
are
feasible.
O
Wendy
Mueller
excuse
me
considering
the
new
state
regulations
and
their
ability
to
refine
them
these
regulations.
If
we
allow
a
hundred
foot
in
the
hospital
overlay,
we
may
have
just
given
up
our
entire
city
once
that
building
is
built.
All
buildings
may
be
justified
within
one
mile,
12
foot
to
16
foot
base,
flood
elevation,
plus
100
feet,
plus
20
percent
for
accoutrements
and
elevator
shafts,
that's
136
feet
and
that's
not
including
freeboard,
which
used
to
be
included
in
the
building
height
Sun
Seeker,
isn't
136
feet.
O
Units
per
acre
15
became
45.
Why
the
developer
setbacks
five
feet:
I'm
5
10.?
How
does
that?
Allow
for
beauty
and
Gathering
parking,
nah
they'll
be
fine.
One
space
per
unit
works
for
who
you
can't
really
believe
this
is
in
the
best
interest
of
our
city,
please
think
of
our
youth,
our
future.
Those
families
need
more
than
a
tiny
space.
They
need
Clean,
Water,
emergency
services,
safety
and
Recreation
and
education
a
future
in
this
city
you'll.
O
P
P
That
being
the
case,
I
maybe
see
this
as
my
last
opportunity
to
express
some
thoughts
to
you.
I
go
back
about
12
years
ago
when
I
came
to
Punta
Gorda
and
since
that
time,
A
lot
has
happened
and
I've
attended
most
every
council
meeting
during
that
time,
except
for
a
few
individuals,
I
doubt
that
anybody
can
can
say
that
I've
seen
a
transformation
in
the
council
from
one
that
that
was
caring
to
a
I
know
better
situation.
P
Some
of
you
may
have
participated
in
the
activities
that
lead
us
to
this
day.
That
was
the
town
hall
meeting
at
the
at
this
at
the
civic
association,
the
master
plan
rewrites
the
charrettes,
the
Dover
coal
activity,
how
many
of
you
and
I'm
not
asking
individually?
How
many
of
you
participated
in
the
charrettes
I
would
like
you
to
answer
maybe
to
the
people
out
here.
P
The
Battle
Cry
of
the
Chevettes
sure
vets
were
no
high
buildings.
Is
that
something?
That's
still
that
you
do
not
understand
and
by
the
way?
What's
what's
with
a
flip-flopping
consensus
a
couple
months
ago
to
a
meeting
I
attended
here,
consensus
was
80
feet.
All
in
Madame
mayor
was
certainly
dominate
in
that
and
making
that
happen.
Everybody
signed
up
to
it.
What
happened
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
80
feet,
base
flood
elevation
plus
plus
it
doesn't
take
an
engineer
to
equate
80
feet.
P
Q
Hi
Jeff
lustig
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
on
this
matter,
but
I
have
40
years.
Experience
of
owning
a
retail
store
in
Brownsville
Brooklyn
and
the
most
important
thing
for
a
business
is
to
survive
is
parking
and
being
a
city
dweller
height
restrictions.
Q
You
can
only
build
up
in
New,
York
City.
One
of
the
good
parts
about
building
up
is
is
that
it
creates
shade.
It
creates
a
community.
If
you
we
to
get
air
rights
in
New
York,
you
would
have
to
maintain
public
spaces
I'm,
not
afraid
of
the
height
building,
though
I
don't
really
know
what
I'm
talking
about
I.
Don't
all
understand
the
specifics,
but
you
just
go
and
look
at
what
a
popular
restaurant,
how
many
spaces
it
takes
up.
Q
We
have
a
vibrant
downtown
with
a
tall
building
in
the
middle
of
it
and
make
the
developer
build
three
floors
of
parking
four
floors
parking.
He
would
be
thrilled
to
have
a
150
foot
building
with
a
beautiful
view.
I
mean
I
implore
people
to
go
to
the
courthouse
which
I
go
to
frequently
and
go
up
to
the
top,
and
you
can
see
the
gorgeous
view
that
you
get
at
the
100
foot
level
parking
to
have
a
community
where
people
can
sit
down
and
the
sun
is
our
problem
here.
Q
G
R
Good
morning
my
name
is
Dr
Sean
kipfer
I'm,
a
former
therapist
and
teacher
here
in
Charlotte
County
I've
been
here
30
40
years.
My
husband
David
is
a
retired
United,
States
Air
Force
20
years
pollen
we
live
in
what's
considered
the
bird
section,
although
Buckley's
Park
is
my
backyard,
a
trained
therapist
and,
having
listened
to
what
my
neighbors
have
said
and
thank
you
Gary,
especially
I,
just
innately
study
behavior,
and
it's
concerning
to
me
that
we're
at
a
meeting
where
you're
supposed
to.
R
R
R
S
It's
a
way
to
start
good
morning.
My
name
is
Dr
Debra
Lux,
United,
States,
Navy
I
was
unable
to
find
the
comprehensive,
unbiased
study
that
accurately
represented
the
council's
decision-making
process
for
the
verbally
approved
approved,
heightened
density
with
due
respect,
while
proposed
height
of
nearly
100
feet
and
density
of
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
for
Workforce
housing
may
be
necessary,
and
we
all
agree
that
we
need
a
forward,
affordable,
workhousing.
It
is
inappropriate
to
place
this
high
density
and
height
in
the
traditional
Punta
Gorda
area.
S
According
to
the
2019
Dover
coal
study,
Punta
Gorda
is
a
seasonal
area,
predominantly
associated
with
fishing
and
agriculture.
Punta
Gorda
is
not
in
urban
city.
There
isn't
any
public
transportation.
The
residents
have
questioned
why
our
Historic
downtown
area
needs
some
movement
to
become
this
new
urbanism.
It
simply
doesn't
make
sense.
S
Other
residents,
I've
engaged
with,
have
consistently
expressed
a
primary
reason
for
moving
here.
It's
a
desire
for
a
small
Hometown,
Suburban
Ambiance.
They
have
chosen
this
location
to
enjoy
the
charm
and
the
character
of
our
beautiful
city.
They
are
not
interested
in
witnessing
its
transformation
into
an
urban
center.
S
The
average
age
is
66
and
less
than
3
percent
of
the
population
is
employed.
Furthermore,
over
half
of
this
three
percent
commutes
less
than
10
miles
to
work,
the
study
also
states
that,
while
downtown
lacks
sufficient
shops
to
attract
casual
Shoppers,
the
numerous
events
and
festivals
held
there
provide
opportunities
for
visitors
and
residents
to
visit.
Expanding
the
downtown
retail
offerings
would
enhance
its
appeal
and
competitiveness
in
attracting
retail
spending.
S
S
Additionally,
considering
this
unfortunate
incidents
where
zero
setbacks
have
contributed
to
fatalities
in
the
downtown
area,
it
is
prudent
to
establish
a
minimum
minimum
setback
of
10
to
15
people
for
properties
adjacent
to
sidewalks.
This
would
not
only
provide
space
for
much
needed
Landscaping,
but
also
enhance
safety.
S
Our
traditional
Punta
Gorda
area
should
at
least
have
25
residential
at
75
dedicated
to
commercials
such
as
Rita
office,
restaurants
and
entertainment.
This
may
actually
help
attract
a
younger
crowd
here.
This
approach
would
also
Foster
business
growth
and
tourism,
aligning
with
the
findings
of
the
Dover
coal
report.
Please
carefully
consider
the
concerns
and
opinions
expressed
by
the
residents.
Our
beloved
city
of
Punta
Gorda
deserves
thoughtful
and
responsible
development.
My
name
is
Dr
Deborah
Lux,
United,
States
Navy.
B
V
Morning
Council,
my
name
is
Carlton
Hughes
I'm,
a
resident
and
Builder
here
in
Punta
Gorda
I
just
wanted
to
speak
on
the
ldr
issue.
I
personally
applaud
council's
latest
Direction
on
The
Land
Development
regulations,
particularly
with
regard
to
city
center
zoning.
As
a
builder
familiar
with
the
feasibility
of
projects
in
downtown
area.
V
G
W
W
Platt
born
and
raised
here,
Floridian
born
and
raised
in
Port,
Charlotte
Florida,
Charlotte
County,
so
I'm
actually
here
to
talk
about,
and
it's
just
the
beginning
of,
what's
going
on
at
the
Cooper
Street
wreck,
that
is
a
hysterical
building,
the
YMCA
did
take
it
I
mean
I.
People
were
not
happy
about
that,
but
they
understood
that
they
had
no
location.
It
was
after
school
program.
Now
there
are
signs
out
that
are
saying
that
they're
going
to
take
it
from
six
o'clock
in
the
morning
until
6
p.m.
That
is
unacceptable.
W
That's
the
historical
building
that
building
was
set
up
for
a
particular
operations,
partnership,
yeah
and,
of
course,
I-
am
going
to
address
this
with
the
president.
The
vice
president,
I
had
not
been
back
long
I
did
not
expect
to
have
to
get
into
this
fight,
but
it
appears
that
that's
going
to
be
a
fight
with
him
and
I.
Just
hope
that
you
guys
do
what
you're
supposed
to
do
and
I
will
be
addressing
you
again
with
information
regarding
why
that
cannot
be
used.
W
The
way
it's
been
use,
you
can't
just
kick
people
out
now,
I
know
on
the
website.
There
was
just
redone
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago
said
that
there's
this
program
that
program
there:
no
programs
that
have
been
programs
for
adults
or
any
kid
anyone
outside
of
like
a
couple
people
from
Sally
Jones
for
years.
This
can't
be
but
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
guys
know
that
I'm
about
to
start
that
fight.
Thank
you.
B
A
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
or
firm
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth,
and
when
you
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
also
indicate
the
please
that
you
have
been
sworn
so.
The
first
item
is
se-01
2023,
a
special
exception
request
by
Nicole
nugenberger,
assuming
new
Bauer
I'm.
Y
Lisa
Hannan
zoning,
official
and
I
have
been
sworn
as
stated
by
the
City
attorney.
This
is
a
special
exception
request
for
2310
Tamiami
Trail,
a
package
liquor
store
for
Publix.
The
property
is
an
existing
retail
shopping,
plaza,
that's
built
out.
We
have
a
vacancy
there.
Zoned,
Highway
commercial
and
a
package
liquor
store
use
does
require
a
special
exception
in
Our
Land
Development
regulations,
so
there's
approval
criteria
that
the
proposed
use
will
not
adversely
affect
the
use
of
neighboring
properties.
Y
Again,
it's
an
existing
built
out
retail
shopping
center
staff
does
not
anticipate
the
use
adversely
affecting
any
of
the
neighboring
properties.
It
complies
with
all
the
applicable
District
regulations
of
our
comprehensive
plan.
Future
land
use
policy,
1.1.14.3
Highway
commercial
Corridor
lands
shall
be
developed
to
accommodate
commercial
retail
and
office,
uses
that
are
Auto
oriented
due
to
the
scale
and
typology
the
location,
height
and
size
of
the
buildings
and
structures
walls.
Fences
will
not
hinder
or
discourage
appropriate
development.
Again
it's
an
existing
developed
site.
Y
It
has
existing
landscape,
buffering
that
is
required
to
be
maintained
in
perpetuity.
Pedestrian
and
vehicle
traffic
generated
will
not
be
hazardous
or
conflict
with
the
existing
and
anticipated
traffic
in
the
neighborhood
or
on
the
streets,
and
again
an
existing
established
retail
shopping
plaza.
The
additional
traffic
levels
anticipated
would
not
be
hazardous
to
vehicular
or
pedestrian
traffic.
Y
Y
B
Z
Good
morning
Council,
my
name
is
Nicole
neugebauer
I
am
a
land
use
attorney
at
Stearns,
Weaver
Miller
in
Tampa.
My
address
is
401
East
Jackson
Street
for
the
record
I'm
here
today,
representing
public
supermarkets
in
connection
with
a
special
exception
application
to
allow
a
liquor
store
in
an
existing
Publix
anchored
shopping
shopping
center
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
Z
The
project
it
is
permitted
in
the
highway
commercial
zoning
district
and
within
the
highway
Corridor
commercial
future
land
use
category
subject
to
this
council's
special
exception
approval
it's
for
off-premises
consumption.
Only
it's
a
traditional
public
liquor
store
if
you've
seen
one
at
other
parts
of
the
state.
It's
consistent
with
the
surrounding
retail
shopping
center
uses
and
will
not
create
any
adverse
impacts
to
the
neighboring,
Property,
Owners
or
property
values.
Z
We
also
expect
that
this
will
result
in
an
internal
trip
capture,
because
people
who
are
shopping
at
the
Publix
anchored
store
would
then
walk
next
door
to
go
to
the
liquor
store.
So
it
will
hopefully
reduce
trips
on
the
Tamiami
Trail,
with
respect
to
the
special
exception
criteria.
There
are
four
in
your
code.
The
first
is,
the
pros
use
will
not
adversely
affect
the
use
of
the
neighboring
properties,
as
staff
and
I
mentioned.
Z
There
is
an
existing
commercial
shopping
center
around
the
proposed
liquor
store,
so
that
we
do
not
expect
any
kind
of
adverse
impact
to
the
neighboring
property.
In
addition,
the
next
criteria
is:
does
this
use
comply
with
the
district
regulations
and
comprehensive
plan?
As
staff
mentioned
policy
1.1.14.3
states
that
lands
the
highway
commercial
Corridor
District
can
be
developed
as
commercial
and
Retail.
Z
The
third
criteria
is
the
location,
size
and
height
of
the
building,
as
long
as
the
buffering
and
Landscaping
are
consistent
and
do
not
hinder
the
use
of
nearby
buildings,
because
this
is
within
an
existing
retail
Shopping
Center
Plaza,
there
will
be
no
change
to
the
landscaping
or
any
of
the
buffering
any
of
the
buildings
any
of
those
requirements.
This
will
just
be
a
new
tenant
within
an
existing
space,
and
the
last
criteria
is
that
the
Pro's
use
will
not
generate
any
pedestrian
or
vehicular
traffic.
Z
That
is
hazardous
or
conflicts
with
existing
anticipated
traffic
again,
because
this
liquor
store
is
proposed
within
an
existing
retail
shopping
plaza.
We
think
this
will
result
in
an
internal
trip
capture,
because
people
who
are
already
going
shopping
for
retail
use
will
then
have
another
retail
use
in
the
same
shopping
center.
The
property
is
divided
by
two
major
roadways
that
will
serve
the
project.
Z
B
A
B
E
E
E
Look!
What
he's
done
censored
for
18
years
think
we
need
another
restaurant
with
a
bar
serving
alcohol
I.
Don't
my
father
was
an
abusive
alcoholic
I've
seen
my
father
smash.
My
mother's
face
in
black
and
blue
I
have
very
little
respect
for
alcoholics.
I
had
a
serious
and
have
a
serious
problem
with
alcohol.
I
haven't
touched,
a
drop
of
liquor
in
over
12
years
and
I
would
recommend
anybody.
That's
drinking
more
than
two
glasses
of
wine
or
alcohol
every
day
that
you
get
yourself
to
a
group
meeting
and
some
therapy.
E
B
E
E
E
I
Yes,
I
have
excuse
me,
we
don't
need
the
other
liquor
store
and
if
you
ever
shopped
at
a
public
liquor
store,
you
go
in
there
and
you
can't
buy
Heineken,
zero,
zero
or
any
of
the
good
beers
you
gotta
go
to
the
main
Publix
buy
a
decent
bottle
of
wine.
You
gotta
go
to
the
main
Publix.
I
I
And
plus
the
dense
that
parking
lot
I've
been
hit
four
or
five
times.
I
live
right
across
down
the
street.
From
this
Publix
I
go
to
burn
store,
that's
a
horrific
parking
lot
and
you
just
people
pull
out
and
it's
too
tight
and
it's
hard
to
find
parking
and
I.
Just
don't
see
a
need
for
another
liquor
store
because
Publix
Liquor
Stores
don't
serve
any
need.
They
don't
have
the
right
if
they
want
liquor,
but
you've
got
liquor
stores
within
half
a
mile.
A
mile
or
two
from
this
place.
C
AA
Okay
and
your
name:
Todd
James,
Hoover
I,
volunteer
at
PGI,
Liquors
and
I
disagree
about
the
entrances
and
that
you
can
get
into
their
liquor
store.
You'll.
You
can't
turn
left.
You
can't
turn
left
from
either
entrance
the
effect
you
think
you're
going
to
be
able
to
walk
down
and
leave
your
groceries
outside
that
store.
You
can't
there's
there's
no
entrance
and
what
you're
going
to
draw
is
the
homeless,
the
people
that
buy
the
paint
of
vodka
and
go
have
your
chicken
wings
on
the
black
tables.
That's
the
crowd.
AA
That
PGI
records
that
are
going
to
sit
on
the
train
tracks.
That's
the
crowd,
you're
going
to
draw
at
that
liquor
store;
okay,
that's
a
bad
decision!
Okay,
you've
got
four
liquor
stores
now
with.
If
you
decide
to
do
this,
you're
gonna
have
four
liquor
stores
within
two
and
a
quarter
miles.
It's
a
bad
decision
to
rubber
stamp.
This
okay
make
a
decision.
That's
well
thought
out!
Look
at
your
Maps
okay!
AA
Why
do
this?
Why
take
business
from
two
privately
owned
liquor
stores
you're
supposed
to
look
out
for
private
business?
You
pride
yourself
on
looking
out
for
small
business
you're,
not
doing
this
you're
going
after
Big
Brother.
Let's
go
for
corporate
business
you're
not
doing
this
you're
going
with
big
brother,
it's
a
stupid
decision!
Thank
you.
X
You
so
today
it
brings
me
because
it
matters
most
to
me
because
I
own
it
and
I'll
be
a
competition
and
it's
known
chain
stores
they
always
sell,
buy
one
get
one
free
alcohol
buy
one
at
full
price.
This
is
all
commuting
to
Future
Drinkers
and
we
don't
do
anything
like
that.
We
can't
afford
to
do
it.
A
lot
of
people
do
like
to
you
know,
buy
their
products.
Whatever
is
the
least
expensive
and
convenient
it'll
be
convenient.
X
But
for
not
me,
I've
been
there
for
13
years
trying
to
sell-
and
you
know
be
responsible
seller,
and
today,
I
just
request.
You
think
for
five
minutes.
Last
few
weeks
ago,
I
didn't
talk
for
you
guys
to
make
a
decision.
Okay,
let's
go
what
yes
for
it
this
time.
I
have
a
chance
to
say
something,
because
it's
going
to
make
a
difference
to
my
future.
X
You
know
that's
the
only
living
I
have
and
then
it
makes
a
difference,
because
it's
again
the
small
person
you
know
for
you,
maybe
you'll
forget
I'll,
leave
a
half
hour
and
it's
gone
you'll
approve,
but
it
makes
a
difference
because
I'm
being
stressed
and
since
I
knew
like
they're
gonna
open
a
store,
but
it
makes
a
difference.
You
gotta
think
for
a
five
minutes
and
I'm
a
board
member
of
Small
Business
Association.
We
are
fighting
a
bigger
fight
at
the
state
level
and
that's
also
in
Mall
chain
stores.
X
Trying
to
you
know
open
a
store,
have
a
liquor
store
and
put
all
in
Under
One
Roof.
Now
it
has
to
be
separate.
So
I
won't
take
too
much
of
your
time.
Think
for
five
minutes
before
you
finalize
the
decision,
and
hopefully
you
will
say
no,
as
is
there's
a
shortage
of
parking
I,
don't
know
who
gave
approval
in
the
plaza
which
I
sit
in.
They
have
dropped
a
big
Starbucks
Coffee
in
between
the
parking
lot.
X
We
don't
have
parking,
as
is
and
I've
been
to
the
proposed
location
where
they're
thinking
about
opening
a
public
store
liquor
store
what
they
gonna
do.
I
have
a
hard
time
trying
to
get
in
there.
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
shop
there
try
driving.
They
make
a
left
turn
in
front
of
the
car
dealer.
He
says,
is
it's
tight
and
I've
heard
with
the
other
people
they're
talking
about
parking,
but
obviously
they
have
not
considered
about
parking
building
a
new
building
in
a
parking
lot
or
allowing
new
businesses
tall
buildings.
X
You
do
have
to
think
about
parking
and
then
make
a
decision
is
very
easy.
You
just
say
yes,
yes,
yes,
five
minutes
is
done,
but
I
would
request
you
to
think
a
little
more
than
five
minutes.
Think
about
a
independent
liquor
store.
It's
gonna
make
a
difference
to
me
and
the
people
who
help
me.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
AB
Good
morning,
I'm
Michael
heymans
I
have
been
sworn
I,
have
a
business
here
in
Punta,
Gorda,
215,
West,
Olympia
I'm,
also
representing
George
in
this
matter
special
exception.
This
process
provides
the
city
with
opportunity
to
exercise
discretionary
powers
and
considering
the
establishment
of
certain
uses
that,
due
to
their
nature,
design
or
location,
may
have
the
potential
for
adverse
impacts
on
adjacent
lands
or
on
the
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
the
community,
and
so
that's
what
what
we're
here
about
is
because
this
type
of
use
does
have
an
impact.
AB
You
heard
Todd
talk
about
some
secondary
impacts
that
happen
around
the
existing
Punta
Gorda
liquor
store.
That
is
that
they
end
up
with
homeless.
Camp
people
go
in
there
and
buy,
and
then
they
don't
have
places
to
go
and
they
end
up
camping
out
around
and
that
that
does
create
some
secondary
adverse
effects.
AB
It
increases
Community
identity
and
enhances
the
quality
of
life
for
the
entire
city
to
ensure
greatest
possible
economic
and
social
benefits
for
all
of
the
citizens.
You
have.
This
proposed
site
is
within
a
thousand
feet
of
Bloom
Academy,
it's
right
next
to
a
railroad
track,
it's
and
and
next
to
a
gated,
a
community
of
manufactured
homes.
It
is
also
a
very
difficult
I
do
shop
there,
as
many
of
you
do
and
it's
a
difficult
place
to
come
and
go
in
and
out
of
the
and
so,
and
so
it's
going
to
be.
AB
It's
going
to
have
negative
impacts
on
the
existing
shopping
center
and
on
the
neighbors.
Because
of
this
proximity
to
the
bloom
Academy
and
to
the
railroad
trestles
that
are
there,
you're,
also
approximately
half
a
mile
from
two
other
retail
liquor
establishments.
AB
One
of
the
purposes
for
special
exceptions
is
to
control
the
the
the
density
of
the
kinds
of
of
uses
intensity
of
uses
that
that
have
negative
impacts
upon
the
community.
That's
why
we
call
for
a
special
exception
here
and
you've
heard
testimony
already
from
the
public
that
that
there's
too
many
liquor
stores
in
this
area.
AB
Already
we
have
sufficient
number
you,
you
know,
there's
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
church
within
that
that
the
the
half
a
mile
of
each
each
way
there's
there's
not
a
hospital
there's,
not
other
kinds
of
services
that
we
need.
Do
we
really
need
another
liquor
store?
No,
is
the
answer.
Please
protect
your
community.
Thank
you.
A
J
My
name
is
Jerry
waxler
I
am
not
speaking
as
a
representative
of
any
client.
I
have
never
represented
Publix
I
do
not
represent
them
now.
I
have
never
represented
a
liquor
store
in
the
past,
nor
do
I
represent
one
now.
My
address
is
160
herons
Cove
Drive.
The
mailing
address
is
technically
Punta
Gorda,
but
I
am
not
a
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
I
am
a
business
member
of
this
community
have
for
for
well
over
a
decade
my
business
has
been
located
here
in
the
city
of
Punta.
J
Gorda
I'm
also
been
a
land
use
attorney
for
over
30
years.
I
have
lectured
at
continuing
legal
education
programs.
I've
been
a
lecturer
on
Land
Development
regulations,
I
have
written
codes
for
DeSoto,
County
and
I
have
served
on
committees
in
Charlotte,
County,
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
the
City
of
Fort
Myers
to
review
and
update
Land
Development
regulations.
I
just
wanted
one
as
I'm
this
close
to
retirement.
So
it
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
freedom
to
be
able
to
speak
things
that
I,
perhaps
wouldn't
have
said
in
the
past.
J
One
of
the
things
that
I
see
repeatedly
at
quasi-judicial
hearings
are
people
coming
up
and,
speaking
about
things
like,
we
don't
think
we
need
another
one
of
these
in
the
community.
We
don't
think
that
this
is
a
good
fit
for
our
community.
We
don't.
We
don't
want
this
we're
residents
and
you,
as
our
elected
officials,
need
to
listen
to
us,
but
it's
very
important
that
everyone
understand
that
there
are
rules
in
place
about
quasi-judicial
hearings.
When
you
make
a
quasi-judicial
decision,
you
are
limited
to
considering
the
criteria
that
are
listed
in
Your
Land
Development
regulations.
J
J
Competent
substantial
evidence
means
that
unless
you
have
qualified
as
an
expert,
which
is
the
reason
that
I
gave
you
my
my
kind
of
my
background
before
I
spoke
today
means
that
you
cannot
have
and
give
opinion
testimony.
If
you
are
not
an
expert
in
the
subject
matter,
you
may
present
factual
evidence,
but
you
may
not
give
opinion.
I
have
no
dog
in
this
fight.
I
am
not
here
to
recommend
for
or
against
your
decision.
J
I
just
felt
as
I
listened
to
everything
that
it
was
important
that
the
community,
the
people
in
the
audience,
understand
that
your
decision
is
based
on
the
criteria
that's
listed
on
the
screen
behind
you.
You
may
not
consider
any
additional
criteria.
There
are
numerous
cases
in
Florida
where
elected
boards
have
done
that
have
been
challenged
in
court
and
the
courts
have
said
repeatedly
that
you
may
not
take
into
account
evidence
on
factors
that
are
not
the
criteria
adopted
by
your
codes
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
share
that
with
the
community.
J
I've
actually
been
speaking
in
the
community
for
the
last
several
months
and
that's
what
I
find
people
are
most
surprised
about
the
limits
of
your
ability
during
a
positive
initial
hearing.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
Q
Q
It
takes
you
right
into
where
the
people
are
exiting
publics.
When
you
enter
in
off
of
41.,
the
kind
of
person
who
buys
hard
liquor
is
very
different
than
the
individuals
who
buy
beer
and
whatnot
I
know
that
for
having
a
store
in
Brownsville
Brooklyn
and
the
what
goes
on
in
liquor
stores,
you
do
have
neighborhood
liquor
stores
here
that
serve
the
public.
Q
I
know,
that's
not
a
criteria
here,
but
it's
something
to
think
about
that.
Your
neighbors
put
in
money
into
the
community
but
I
think
it's
a
bad
idea
because
it
will
increase
existing
traffic
and
it's
and
it's
not
an
easy
in
or
easy
out
in
that
development.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
A
R
Have
been
thank
you
like
I,
said:
I
live
in
the
bird
section,
Rio
villo
turns
into
my
street
Almar
and
there's
the
liquor
store
there
at
Rio,
Villa
and
41
almost
on
the
corner.
There
is
liquor
already
in
Publix
I
realize
from
what
you
know.
Jerry
pointed
out
that
while
this
may
meet
the
criteria,
is
this
Publix
really
the
best
place?
R
R
B
AC
B
AD
C
Z
Morning,
Nicole
newgebauer
again
for
the
record,
representing
Publix
I,
just
have
a
few
quick
points
on
rebuttal
that
I
just
like
to
bring
up
in
response
to
the
public
comment,
the
first
one
as
one
of
the
public
commenters
mentioned
this
council
is
bound
by
the
criteria.
It's
in
your
code
and
Florida
law
requires
that
and
that's
to
protect
the
applicants,
but
also
to
protect
the
community
to
make
sure
that
everyone
knows
the
rules
that
are
in
place
at
the
time
when
someone
applies
for
an
application
like
this.
Z
So
that
way
there
can
be
no
surprises
as
far
as
what
this
council
is
allowed
to.
Consider
so
I
do
want
to
point
that
out
that
your
four
criteria
are
based
on
does
it
adversely
affect
the
neighboring
properties?
Is
it
consistent
with
your
code
and
comprehensive
plan?
Is
it
appropriate
based
on
the
size
and
the
bulk
and
the
landscaping,
and
is
it
going
to
create
adverse
traffic
conditions
for
the
area
and
based
on
those,
this
project
does
meet
each
of
those
criteria?
It's
an
existing
Shopping,
Center
Plaza,
there's
a
public,
that's
already
in
it.
Z
That
is
anchoring
it.
That
will
draw
consumers
to
that
shopping
center,
resulting
more
of
an
internal
trip
capture,
as
I
had
mentioned.
There
will
be
no
changes
to
the
landscaping
or
buffering,
and
it
is
consistent
with
where
this
Council
has
directed
retail
and
liquor
stores
to
go
in
the
highway
commercial
zoning
District
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
I'm
not
unsympathetic
to
a
lot
of
the
community
members
here
who
have
spoken
today,
I
understand
what
their
point
of
views
are.
Z
I
just
think
you
know,
based
on
Florida
law,
that
we
are
bound
the
by
the
code.
Requirements
that
are
here
and
the
closest
liquor
store
is
over
half
a
mile
to
a
mile
away.
Publix
is
very
careful
about
where
they
put
their
liquor
stores,
there's
only
300
in
the
State
of
Florida,
but
there's
thousands
of
Public
public
stores,
and
they
they
looked
at
this
store,
and
they
said
they
want
to
make
an
investment
in
Punta
Gorda
and
they
think
this
is
a
good
location,
and
so
with
that,
that's
all
I
have.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
A
Before
discussion,
if
I
might
sure
so
the
the
city
council,
when
it
adopted
its
Land
Development
regulations
and
established
zoning
districts,
provides
for
uses
within
each
district
that
are
permitted
as
a
matter
of
right
and
how
a
commercial
is
no
example,
there's
a
list
of
of
uses
that
if
your
property
is
located
within
that
District
you're
entitled
to
utilize
the
property
in
any
one
of
those
uses,
then
there's
another
classification
of
uses
that
are
appropriate
within
the
highway
commercial.
A
Zoning
District,
if
approved
by
special
exception,
and
the
special
exception
has
outlined
four
criteria.
That's
on
the
screen.
Now
that
guides
your
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
a
special
exception
needs
to
be
approved.
Based
on
the
competence,
substantial
evidence
that's
presented
under
testimony,
as
as
attorney
Wexler
pointed
out,
and
so
in
order
to
address
the
question
of
whether
or
not
a
liquor
store
is
appropriate
within
a
highway
or
package
store
is,
is
appropriate
within
the
highway
commercial
District.
A
It
would
be
necessary
to
amend
the
code
to
take
it
out
of
the
special
exception
criteria,
but
that
decision
was
made.
You
know
quite
some
time
ago
by
the
city
council
saying
yes,
it's
appropriate
by
special
exception.
If
the
criteria
is
met
and
in
each
case
you
determine
whether
or
not
the
criteria
has
been
met,
and
so
your
decision
today
has
been
pointed
out
should
be
based
solely
on
the
criteria
that
you
you've.
A
AE
Based
on
the
criteria
that
we
are
bound
in,
this
quasi-judicial
I
move
to
approve,
excuse
me
one.
Second:
we
find
a
mood
to
approve
se-01-2023.
AC
B
We
we
have
no
other
public
hearings,
there's
only
one
item
in
the
consent
agenda
and
does
anyone
wish
to
pull
this?
If,
okay,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion,
please
go
take
it
outside.
B
B
AD
B
Do
we
want
to
take
a
short
break
before
we
get
into
the
ldrs?
Okay,
we're
going
to
take
a
10
minute
break
we'll
be
back
at
10
20.
U
U
U
U
AE
U
B
AF
AF
AF
T
Sorry,
if
there's
a
couple
things
that,
if
I
could
preface
the
discussion
been
asked
to
talk
about
two
things.
T
First,
one
is
base
flood
elevation
and
one
is
some
of
the
information
in
the
Dover
coal
study
and
then,
when
we
have
the
presentation
that
will
lead
into
what
the
presentation
means
and
if
we
can,
of
course,
that's
completely
up
to
you
but
we'd
like
to
go
the
whole
way
through
the
presentation
to
show
what
questions
that
needed
to
be
asked
and
then
come
back
to
each
one
and
one
by
one
get
approval
for
each
of
the
criteria
or
whatever
it
may
be.
So,
first
of
all
base
flood
elevation.
T
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
base
flood
is
considered
that
it's
understood
that
base
flood
is
the
elevation
that
is
set
by
the
regulatory
agencies
that
says
it
can
flood
up
to
this
level.
So
if
you're
going
to
have
a
residential,
a
habitable
space,
that's
residential
in
there.
You
need
to
not
only
be
at
that
level,
but
you
need
to
be
a
foot
above
it.
So,
in
theory,
if
the
average
flood
gets
to
here,
your
living
space
is
at
least
a
foot
above
where
the
average
flood
would
be.
T
That's
really
a
life
safety
thing
and
property
criteria.
So
that's
first,
a
second
base
flood.
If
you
have,
for
example,
a
50-foot
building
and
base
flood
is
10
feet
at
that
location.
That
doesn't
mean
you
have
a
60-foot
building
base.
Flood
elevation
starts
at
the
water
level
that
they
calculate,
and
then
it
goes
from
there
up
to
where
you
have
to
protect
your
property.
It
doesn't
go
from
the
grade
of
the
site
that
you're
on
so
base
flood
elevation
on
any
site.
If
you
have
a
50-foot
building,
it
could
be
two
feet
above
the
dirt.
T
You
have
50,
plus
whatever
that
water
level
is
or
the
ground
elevation
is
that's
above
the
water
level,
so
there's
two
components
there
so
that's
base
flood
elevation
of
the
Dover
gold
study
had
several
things
dating
back
to
2019.
Obviously,
the
master
plan,
all
the
charrettes
all
the
presentations
from
Louisa
are
online
and
can
be
viewed.
T
The
notes
that
I
have
here,
part
of
which
I
was
writing
down
when
the
speaker
was
talking,
I
thought,
I
wasn't
paying
attention,
but
I
was
actually
paying
attention
and
that's
why
I
was
looking
down
writing
just
to
say
that,
but
the
criteria
that
the
Dover
coal
study
has
I
had
several
options
and
all
I
can
do
is
read
what
the
study
says
not
interpret.
T
Insufficient
development
potential
permitted
to
result
the
viable
projects,
particularly
in
the
downtown
core
and
negative
Community
response
and
pushback
to
new
development
projects
or
things
that
had
prevented
sites
from
being
developed
to
understand
how
much
development
is
feasible
and
still
attractive
to
residents
for
scenarios
were
tested
on
three
different
sites
and
I'm,
specifically
talking
about
downtown
Gore.
Now
these
options
that
are
Illustrated
in
the
table
are
meant
to
inform
how
the
city
might
modify
its
Land
Development
regulations
to
help
Spur
new
development.
T
They
then
continue
to
say,
while
some
of
the
base
intensity
measures
such
as
density,
will
have
to
be
adjusted.
The
plan
recommends
allowing
additional
development
potential
in
exchange
for
Community
benefits
like
affordable
housing,
for
example,
so
the
density
that's
listed.
They
also
recommend
that
it
could
be
adjusted
in
exchange
for
additional
things
like
affordable
housing.
So
then
they
also
have
a
complete
section
on
marinas
and
different
things
in
the
Waterfront
section
and
pretty
much
any
question
you
have.
T
So
when
they
talk
about
density,
they
talk
about
when
they're
talking
about
higher
density.
They
talk
about
the
benefits
of
compact
development,
helps
create
a
walkable
unbreakable
neighborhood
by
mixing
uses
and
supporting
the
viability
of
a
wide
range
of
businesses
helps
to
expand
and
support
Transportation
options
by
putting
more
people
in
the
destination
closer
together,
the
more
density,
the
more
likely
the
area
is
to
be
served
by
some
form
of
Transit,
which
we
do
not
have
at.
This
point
supports
housing,
choice
and
affordability
by
leveraging
a
wider
range
of
housing
types.
T
Can
that's
the
true
definition
of
smart
growth,
putting
your
density
where
there
is
services
and
infrastructure
improves
security
by
creating
more
eyes
on
the
street,
prompting
natural
surveillance
and
helps
protect
the
natural
environment
by
confining
growth
to
smaller
areas,
leaving
more
natural
areas
untouched
and
preserved.
So
that's
what
the
report
says.
T
So
then,
when
they
look
at
the
options,
they
have
the
two
density
options
for
the
downtown
core
and,
what's
been
stated,
was
the
density
per
acre,
which,
when
you
look
at
the
actual
written
report-
and
you
look
at
the
chart,
there's
two
different
things
on
the
chart.
It
says
they
have
48.
The
written
report
talks
about
50
and
in
Building
height
they
have
six
story
maximum,
which
the
report
and
luis's
first
presentation.
You
can
see
the
chart
in
there
that
talks
anywhere
from
75
to
80
feet.
So
that's
what
the
report
says.
T
That's
what
the
chart
says
parking.
You
can
see
that
for
the
apartments
that
they
have
listed
and
the
number
of
parking
spaces
it's
about
1.5
space
per
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
have.
That
is
because,
in
the
downtown
core
and
according
to
our
website
for
our
community
redevelopment
area,
we
have
Harold
Court
center.
T
That
is
supposed
to
help
offset
some
of
that
to
encourage
Redevelopment
in
the
downtown
core
Herald
Court
Center,
of
course,
is
not
right
next
door
to
any
restaurant,
because
you
have
to
come
down
an
elevator
and
walk
out
the
back
door,
but
at
the
same
time
Harold
Court
Center
is
also
routinely
during
season
25
empty.
So
there's
a
hundred
spots
that
I'm
there
every
weekend
every
weekend
that
I
can
physically
tell
you
are
empty
every
week.
So
can
my
dog
because
he
walks
every
one
of
them.
It's
always
empty.
T
Now
that
doesn't
mean
anything
one
way
or
another,
except
that
the
city's
stated
goal
for
the
CRA
and
Harold
Court
Center
was
to
help
supplement
required
parking
spaces
by
having
that
available
for
the
public
which
it
does
and
which
is
Never
full.
Unless
you
go
up
there
on
a
fireworks
night,
then
it's
full.
So,
along
with
that,
you
can
see
that
the
live
work
units
they
encourage,
live
work,
units
and
the
supplemental
reasons
and
what
they
Envision.
It
would
look
like
if
you
actually
did
something
that
the
option
that
they
recommend.
T
T
Other
parking
for
some
of
the
condos
that
we
currently
have,
especially
at
Marion,
if
you
look
at
the
number
of
units
and
number
of
parking
spaces,
comes
up
to
about
one
and
a
half.
So
at
this
point,
so
that
seems
to
be
like
the
minimum
that
we
have,
but
in
the
downtown
core,
of
course,
that's
supplemented
with
other
infrastructure.
The
city
has
built
so
with
that
and
considering
what
base
flood
elevation
actually
is.
AF
Again,
thank
you
city
manager,
for
the
introduction
to
this
item.
It
is
a
very
important
item
in
terms
of
we.
The
city
have
been
looking
at
this
for
a
very
long
time
as
a
community
about
the
Land
Development
regulations
at
the
the
June
meeting
city
council
gave
staff
some
direction
regarding
the
Waterfront
overlay
revision
of
those
boundaries
which
are
on
the
screen
which
were
acceptable
and
additional
development
requirements
in
terms
of
Street
setback,
public
space,
public
parking
and
potentially
poet
Marina
space.
AF
AF
City
staff
has
revised
that
in
terms
of
making
it
a
percentage
of
the
total
number
of
slips
when
a
public
marina
is
permitted,
especially
like
in
this
location
along
Charlotte
Harbor
that
Marina
Builder
will
have
to
get
a
submerged
land
lease
from
the
state,
so
they'll
be
a
very
definitive
conceptual
Marina
site
plan
and
then,
finally,
in
the
permitting
process,
they'll
have
a
definitive
number
of
slips.
AF
That
would
be
one
slip.
One
boat,
birth
area,
so
certainly
that
that
gives
us
a
good
sort
of
metric
to
go
by
to
evaluate
that
provision.
AF
In
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
this
consideration,
this
is
an
agreement
that
would
have
to
come
before
city
council
for
final
approval,
so
any
specific
details
relative
to
any
particular
configuration
of
any
particular
project
would
be
subject
to
public
review
at
that
time.
So.
T
The
Denver
gold
study
also
addresses
the
Waterfront
District
and
public
facilities,
and
it
encourages
Marina
space.
It
discusses
both
ddocs
and
Marina
slips,
but
the
the
actual
criteria
was
six
foot
by
30,
which
six
foot's
a
little
narrow.
So
you
know,
especially
if
you're
on
a
day
dog
or
in
a
slip,
but
this
criteria
would
say:
if
it's
a
slip,
then
it's
10
of
them.
T
T
AF
And
just
to
put
the
public
marinas
into
perspective,
the
the
city's
marinas
over
80
slips,
the
Fisherman's
Village
Marina
is
over
100
slips.
There
are
two
existing
submerged
land
leases
along
the
harbor
here,
one
in
front
of
the
Punta
Gorda
Waterfront
Hotel
that
was
permitted
or
that
submerged
land
lease
is
for
over
80
slips
and
then
the
the
harbor
end,
the
Sheraton
Four
Points
Tiki
area
that
that
site
is
also
permitted.
Submerged
lands
lease
with
another
100
plus
my.
AF
Okay,
that
that
was
not
the
information
that
we
received
at
the
the
DRC,
so
it
may
have
been
adjusted
over
time.
They
may
have
you
know
let
their
submerged
land
lease
lapse
and
then
had
to
go
back
and
get
it
again.
But
we.
T
AF
Foreign,
so
the
next
item
that
we
addressed
of
course
was
was
Building
height
and
we
measure
Building
height
in
the
current
code
from
base
flood
elevation,
we
were
given
Direction
by
Council
to
include
the
regulatory
free
board
as
a
consideration.
If
we're
going
towards
measuring
from
zero
at
base
flood
elevation,
we
definitely
want
to
include
that
free
board.
Again,
this
is
life
safety,
flood
resilience
of
our
community
over
the
long
term.
AF
In
the
current
code,
there
is
an
exclusion
from
Building
height
in
section
8.3,
and
it
says
20
percent
of
the
maximum
and
those
are
spaces
not
intended
for
human
habitation
and
Council
directed
us
to
clarify
those
requirements
and
and
and
what
would
be
excluded
from
counting
in
that
building
height
again,
Council
directed
staff
regarding
the
actual
building
Heights,
the
measured
height
regulatory
height
in
the
downtown
core,
with
a
base
of
50
feet,
which
is
consistent
with
current
allowances,
our
entitlements
in
city
center
and
then
80
feet
up
to
80
feet
for
any
with
additional
development
requirements.
AF
So
anything
that's
happening
above
that
sort
of
structural
top
of
the
building
or
breaking
it
down
by
different
architectural
features.
To
be
very
to
be
more
strategic
about
what
is
allowed
above
that
that
Building
height
there
is
a
limitation-
and
this
was
is
these
will
be
baked
into
changes
in
article
7,
the
architectural
provisions
of
the
code.
You
have
a
limitation
on
parapet,
walls,
which
is
the
wall
that
extends
in
line
with
the
facade
above
the
roof
line
of
a
flat
roof
building
to
hide
the
stuff.
AF
That's
on
the
roof
and
give
you
a
nice
architectural
top
that
can
extend
a
maximum
of
six
feet.
There
is
no
limitation
in
the
current
code.
That's
where
your
architectural
features
exactly.
AF
It's
required
that
you
do
architectural
features
above
the
roof
line,
and-
and
this
is
just
giving
you
the
space
to
do
it
and
giving
you
a
very
clear
and
definitive.
You
can't
go
beyond
this
point.
The
second
is
pitched
roof
forms
which
are
encouraged
in
many
places
in
the
code,
and
for
that
the
allowance
would
be
capped
at
12
feet.
Maximum
12
feet
essentially
is
a
if
you're
a
4
by
12
pitch
roof.
You
can
cover
a
60-foot
wide
building
with
just
a
Gable
end,
so
that
that's
why
that
number
is
chosen.
T
Drainage
in
different
specific
architectural
features
that
facilitate
that,
but
that
does
not
mean
then
that
on
top
of
that
you
have
another
20
percent,
no.
AF
S
AD
AF
Still
down
there
at
50
or
65
or
80.,
the
next
thing
to
consider
is
rooftop
amenities.
Obviously
we
have
a
great
example
of
that
in
town
with
and
I
hate
to
point
to
a
particular
development,
but
the
wyvern
hotel
has
rooftop
amenities,
and
you
know
you
have
facilities
that
service.
AF
AF
So
it's
limited
to
a
maximum
of
40
percent
of
the
roof
area,
so
that
40
percent
is
really
taken
from
the
wyvern
hotel
as
an
example,
if
you
look
at
the
area
of
the
pool
deck
which
does
extend
significantly
above
the
the
roof
line
of
the
building,
the
bar
and
the
non-service
areas,
so
not
the
elevator
Tower,
not
the
mechanical
rooms,
those
other
things,
but
the
actual
facilities
that
service
the
public
spaces,
the
rooftop
amenities
you're
about
40
percent
of
the
roof
area
there.
That.
AF
AF
There
is
a
good
deal
of
discussion
about
the
the
positive
attributes
of
having
a
tower
feature
to
accentuate
the
primary
entrance
of
the
structure
or
to
provide
a
focal
point
on
you
know
at
the
end
of
a
street
or
in
a
plaza
area,
and
those
Tower
features
would
be
again
limited
to
a
maximum
percentage
of
the
roof
area,
in
this
case
quite
small
at
20
percent,
and
that's
really
taken.
AF
It's
it's
all
about
that.
There
was
much
discussion
over
the
years
about
the
articulation
of
the
skyline,
but
not
wanting
tall
buildings,
and
this
is
a
way
to
get
there.
The
actual
uses
are
limited
by
that
flat
Building
height,
but
the
architectural
elements
are
regulated
separately
so
that
you
can
get
that
articulation
of
the
skyline
and
have
signature
features
like
the
tower
at
the
Justice
Center
or
the
rooftop
amenities
of
the
wyvern
hotel
or
the
pitched
roofs
of
the
Four
Points
Hotel.
AF
And
just
the
the
final
thing
on
on
Building
height
here
in
terms
of
the
additional
requirements
again,
there's
that
additional
Street
setback
currently
within
the
downtown
core
and-
and
this
goes
back
all
the
way
to
the
beginning
of
the
City
Zoning
codes-
it's
been
zero
lot
line.
Development
has
been
permitted,
the
streets
are
fairly
narrow,
they're,
typically
plotted
at
66
feet
wide.
So
with
automobile
traffic
and
parking
you
have
quite
limited
sidewalks
in
in
certain
areas.
So
in
granting
additional
Building
height,
you
can
require
additional
setback
without
having
the
risk
of
a
regulatory
taking.
AF
AF
And
this
is
maybe
not
clearly
defined
in
the
slides,
but
we
had
much
discussion
about
the
the
requirement
for
commercial
in
order
to
achieve
this.
The
way
it's
currently
conceptualized
by
staff
is
that
their
the
form-based
code
has
regulatory
standards
and
it
also
has
building
types
or
specific
types
of
buildings
and
those
are
very
definitively
described
in
the
code
and
there's
a
medium
footprint,
mixed-use
building
and
From
staff's
perspective.
That
would
be
the
only
building
type
that
you
could
use
to
achieve
these
building,
Heights
and
densities.
AF
So
you
would
be
locking
in
the
fact
that
the
ground
floor
would
be
commercial
and
that
upper
floors
could
be
used
for
commercial,
Hospitality,
hotel
or
residential.
So
that's
that's
where
I
think
we
get
the
the
sort
of
miscommunication,
maybe
about
what
the
intent
is
with
with
these,
because
we're
very
focused
on
the
heights
of
the
buildings,
but
not
necessarily
talking
about
the
types
of
uses
that
can
go
on
inside
those
buildings.
AF
T
T
And
some
of
the
significance
of
this
slide,
which
are
the
questions
other
than
the
marina
question,
is
you
can
see
that
it
has
to
clarify
where
the
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
that
was
discussed?
If
that's
going
to
be
I,
believe
the
intent
was
in
80
feet,
building
I
believe,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
didn't
apply
to
the
others
as
well.
And
of
course
you
don't
want
to
just
say:
well,
you
have
to
build
80
feet.
If
you
want
that
to
maybe
that's
discussion.
Also
the
public
open
space.
T
You
can
see
the
asterisk
that
that
was
for
the
Mixed
use
development.
The
type
buildings
that
Mitchell
described
here
tells
were
not
the
ones.
You
don't
want
the
wyvern
to
have
to
take
2
000
square
feet
and
find
a
way
to
let
the
public
come
in
and
sit
down
and
hang
out.
So
it
wasn't
for
hotels
specifically
and
then
the
public
parking,
if
you're
going
higher,
you
do
have
to
have
the
1.5
as
opposed
to
the
one
space
per
thousand
for
a
lot
of
the
commercial
and,
of
course
it
has
0.25
there.
AG
B
C
AE
I'm,
a
little
at
odds
with
this
I
I.
Just
don't
believe
that
if
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
have
a
developer,
that's
going
to
buy
it
that
we
should
require
any
public,
marina
facilities.
I
I,
just
don't
feel
the
need
for
it.
I
don't
see
the
reason
for
it
and
that's
just
my
opinion.
B
I
I
agree
with
you
I
think
that
we
should
ask
them
ask
them
if
they
would
put
some
public
availability
of
slips
in
for
day
doctors,
but
I.
Don't
know
that
putting
a
specific
percentage
of
the
total
slips
in
should
be
included
in
this,
because
I
just
think.
AG
I
I
think
we
are
asking
them
to
do
this,
we're
not
telling
them
they
have
to
do
it.
They're
going
to
come
to
us
and
say
city
council
I
would
like
to
build
an
80-foot
building,
so
they
have
options
to
do
that.
They
can't
just
do
that
without
giving
something
back
and
what
they
would
need.
What
they
could
give
back
is
additional
parking.
AG
They
could
give
back
additional
open
space.
They
could
also
give
back
if
they
are
going
to
build
a
marina
some
of
the
there's,
their
linear
footage
or
their
slips
as
a
give
back
to
the
city.
So
we're
not
forcing
anybody
to
do
anything.
What
we're
we're
encouraging
them
to
do
is
just
like.
We
want
to
encourage
them
to
to
create
parking
so
that
residents
could
come
down
and
enjoy
downtown
and
park
their
car.
AG
We're
saying
we
would
like
you
to
create
space
where
residents
could
come
down
and
buy
boat
and
enjoy
downtown
we're,
not
forcing
them
to
do
it,
we're
giving
them
options,
and
they
don't
have
to
do
that.
If
you
don't
have
something
in
there
about
marinas,
then
what's
the
point
of
having
a
marina
overlay,
a
waterfront
overlay,
there's
nothing
different
in
there.
The
whole
point
of
this
is
to
we
are
a
waterfront
Community.
We
need
to
have.
AG
We
need
to
encourage
more
people
to
come
to
downtown
by
boat
and
enjoy
downtown,
spend
their
money
with
our
businesses.
We're
not
forcing
anyone
to
do
anything,
it's
just
a
matter
of
options
and
and
they
they
could
say.
You
know
what
I'm
going
to
build
a
marina
and
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
any
slips.
But
I'm
going
to
and
I
want
80
feet,
but
I'm
going
to
do
additional
parking.
AG
AE
AE
This
slide
is
a
little
confusing,
especially
to
the
public,
because,
as
you
know,
when
you
do
have
a
point,
you're
not
forcing
them
necessarily
to
do
this,
but
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
that
there's
other
options
and
and
what
we've
always
talked
about
when
we're
coming
to
building
and
everything
else
is
parking
and
a
marina
is
going
to
bring
in
more
people
by
car
and
by
boat,
but
I,
just
I
don't
feel
like
we
have
a
slip
problem.
AF
So,
just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
yes,
this
this
slide
is
confusing,
because
it's
just
talking
about
the
the
Waterfront
overlay
itself,
the
underlying
regulating
district
is
something
they
can
still
fall
back
to
as
a
developer
and
say
I,
don't
want
to
take
advantage
of
the
Waterfront
overlay.
I
want
to
go
with
the
underlying
regulating
District,
which
then
falls
back
to
the
public
parking
right.
T
So
parking
is
an
option.
Marina
is
an
option
they
still
to
get
80
feet
have
to
do
parking
and
have
to,
and
then
in
this
case
would
do
a
public
marina.
So
if
they're
in
the
Waterfront
uberly
District,
are
you
saying
that
you're
not
in
support
of
the
day,
docs
or
the
marina
at
all,
because
in
this
case
they
still
have
to
do
parking?
It
would
just
be
Marina.
Also.
AE
So
then,
maybe
I'm
a
little
confused.
You
know,
I
I
was
under
the
assumption
that
we're
looking
at
this
slide.
Somebody
wants
to
come
in
and
put
it
put
in
a
marina.
So
if
what
you're
saying
Mitchell
is
that
they
want
to
put
in
a
marina,
they
want
to
go
to
80
feet,
then
they
still
have
the
parking
requirements
that
are
under
the
other
districts
that
we're
talking
about.
P
C
A
So
I'm
not
sure
how
this
adds
to
the
discussion,
but
it
is
this.
These
are
facts
that
you
ought
to
be
aware
of,
and
I'll
speak
hypothetically
speaking
without
talking
about
any
of
the
existing
facilities
that
have
state
sovereignty,
submerged
lands
leases.
A
If,
if
you
want
to
operate
a
marina
and
you
need
to
lease
State
submerged
lands
to
facilitate
that
goal,
there
are
two
ways
you
can
go.
You
can
go
as
a
private
Marina
like
a
yacht
club
and
pay
more
to
the
state
for
the
privilege
of
being
able
to
maintain
the
exclusivity
of
your
docking
facility,
or
you
can
go
as
a
public
marina
with
where
you
pay
less
money
to
the
state
for
the
use
of
the
bottoms
and
if
you're,
a
public,
marina,
similar
to
our
Marina
Park,
the
state
requires
you
to
reserve.
A
10
percent
of
the
slips
on
a
first
come
first
serve
basis
to
the
public,
which
is
what
we
do,
and
so,
if
someone
is
thinking
about
making
a
private
Marina
but
realizes
that
they
could
get
some
additional
height,
if
they
instead
make
it
either
a
private
Marina
with
10
percent
of
slips
reserved
for
the
public
or
a
public
marina
with
10
percent
of
the
slips,
they
could
get
that
benefit.
And
if
it's
a
public
marina,
they
actually
don't
do
anything
more
than
what
the
state's
already
requiring.
AG
So
10
for
65
feet
and
if
you
want
to
do
another
floor,
you
do
another
five
percent
I
mean
that
they
it.
Why
would
you
have
ten
percent
for
65
and
10
percent
for
80.?
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
you
need
to
have
you
need
to
have
something
more
than
that
and
I
think
if
we're
going
to
give
them
more,
then
they
ought
to
give
us
more
than
what
the
state
requires.
So
an
extra
five
percent.
G
AC
AD
B
Mine
works
okay,
so
before
we
move
on
then
let's.
C
B
So
wow.
T
B
AD
T
I
clarify
one
thing
sure
we
need
to
know
that
there's
also
support
to
require
a
marina.
Oh.
B
AE
AG
No,
what
I
was
asking
what
I
am
completely
fine
with
what
you
guys
are
going
for,
because
you're
actually
asking
less
than
what
I
was
so
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
that
I
would,
if
they,
if
I,
was
going
to
give
them
extra
height
I'd
make
them
do
something
more.
If
we're
going
to
do
10
for
80
feet,
let's
do
it
I'm
good,
okay,.
T
A
Greg
I
I
think
I
think
the
wording
is
is
a
Troublesome
for
me
to
the
extent
that
were
and
I
think
I
think
the
concept
is
is
is
the
same
and
let
me
reword
it.
A
A
AG
T
B
Yes,
okay,
so
now
we're
into
the
building
height
and
how
it
is
measured
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
city
manager
pointed
out
how
the
building
height
is
measured
and
if
we're
talking
about,
let's
just
use
the
for
the
sake
of
argument,
80
feet
above
base
flood
elevation,
we're
not
talking
about
80
feet,
plus
12
or
15
feet
above
street
level.
We're
talking
about
the
base.
B
Flood
elevation
is
based
on
the
water
level
and
what
is
a
floodable
area,
so
we're
not
talking
about
a
building
that
potentially
is
80
feet,
plus
another
12
or
whatever
feet
above
the
street
level.
We're
talking
about
80
feet,
and
this
is
the
way
it's
got
to
be
measured
because
of
FEMA
rules,
because
FEMA
will
not
allow
anybody
to
build
a
piece
of
property
that
is
above,
that
is
below
flood
elevation
habitable.
T
T
B
A
The
FEMA
elevation
requirement
is
is
Incorporated
in
the
Florida
building
code,
which
we
are
obligated
to
adopt
and
enforce,
and,
and
there
is
a
freeboard
element
in
the
building
code
which
may
which
may
change
over
time
so
I
think
when
we
provide
the
language
in
the
in
our
code,
we
identify
it
as
and
tie
it
to
the
Florida
building
code.
So
whatever
the
Florida
building
code
requires
in
terms
of
freeboard,
that's
what
we
are
going
to
implement.
T
C
AF
B
For
building
cuts,
oh
okay,.
AF
B
AC
AF
So
the
the
mixed
use,
building
type
in
the
in
the
draft
code
specifically
states
that
the
ground
floor
must
be
commercial
uses
above
the
ground
floor.
It
opens
it
up
to
any
allowable
uses,
so
it
could
be
commercial
office
space.
It
could
be
additional
retail
or
Services
Commercial
Services.
It
could
be
Hospitality
which
it
would
again
be
hotel
and
residential.
So
it
opens
it
up
to
everything
except
industrial.
AF
Parking
so
in
the
way
that
the
the
mixed-use
building
and
and
the
way
that
all
of
the
building
types
are
set
up,
it
accounts
for
there's
a
development
typology
that
the
digital
developers
call
the
Texas
donut,
where
it's.
Essentially,
you
build
a
conventional
parking
garage
in
the
center
of
a
block
and
you
surround
it
with
buildings.
AC
T
AC
AF
A
As
as
a
structure,
I
think
the
question
is,
as
you're
defining
the
mixed
use.
You
require
the
ground
floor,
be
commercial,
correct
and
anything
above
that
could
be,
as
you
indicate
other
uses,
but
I
I
think
what
the
council
member
driver
is
asking
is
suppose
you
use
your
entire
ground
floor
for
parking.
A
In
other
words,
you're,
not
you're,
not
meeting
the
requirement
that
the
ground
floor
be
commercial.
If
it's,
if
it's
parking,
unless
you
can
consider
the
parking
to
be
commercial
by
definition,.
T
So
there's
two
things
there
and
Mitchell
can
more
adequately
elaborate
on
this.
But
when
you
look
in
the
code,
definitions
there's
some
discussion
right
now
in
two
places:
where
is
mixed
use
for
building
or
per
site?
So
in
one
place
you
could
interpret
it
to
say
that
you
have
a
mixed
use
site
which
has
residential
and
Commercial
and
in
another
place
you
could
interpret
it
to
say
each
building
has
to
have
a
mixed
use
component.
So
that
leads
into
the
discussion
right.
Another.
AF
Thing
that
we
could
do
is
we
could
open
it
up
to
another
building
type.
So
if
you
wanted
to
consider
liner
buildings,
which
are
any
type
of
use,
residential
or
commercial
they're
designed
to
surround
a
parking
garage,
you
could
consider
the
additional
Building
height
for
that
building
type
as
well.
And
that
would
address
that
concern
about
on
the
back
side
of
the
site.
T
AC
T
M
A
T
T
Council
is
having
it's
not
a
New
Concept
in
town,
because
we
have
areas
where
you
have
a
building
that
has
a
commercial
underneath,
some
of
us
below
BFE
or
parking,
and
then
you
have
residential
above
it
that's
currently
under
development,
and
then
you
have
buildings
behind
it
that
are
all
residential
that
have
parking
underneath
below
BFE,
but
then
they
have
a
office
space
that
you
can
make
copies
and
pay
for.
So
it's
considered
a
mixed
use,
building,
which
is
just
the
way
around
the
code.
Quite
frankly,
I
mean
that's
what
you
have
to
do.
T
So
you
know
the
question
on
this.
One
was
more.
We
didn't
have
anything
in
there
that
if
you
take
City
Marketplace-
which
this
is
not
just
about
that-
but
of
course
that's
the
big
one.
If
you
have
City
Marketplace,
you
could
not
just
have
all
apartment
buildings
on
that
site,
because
the
whole
goal
is
that
you
have
a
commercial
component
say
that
those
apartments
make
a
walkable
component
to
service
the
commercial
areas
that
you
need
in
the
downtown
core
restaurants,
retail
et
cetera.
So
you
couldn't
just
have
6.2
Acres
of
apartment
buildings.
AG
B
B
Please,
let's
have
no
participation
from
the
audience
at
this
time.
Okay,
I
I
definitely
feel
very
strongly
about
that.
I
think
we
need
to
be
considering
only
mixed
use
projects
correct
on
on
the
properties
we're
talking
about.
G
B
It's
extremely
critical
to
the
future
of
the
city
and
the
current
businesses
downtown
are
having
a
very
difficult
time
in
off-season
surviving
many.
Many
restaurants
have
closed
down
for
one
or
two
days
a
week
because
they
can't
they
can't
sustain
themselves
year-round
because
of
our
density
of
population
leaving
during
the
summer
months.
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
aware
that
what
we
really
do
want
to
promote
for
the
city
center,
especially
City
Marketplace.
If
we're,
if
we're
talking
specifics,
we
have
to
have
something
mixed
use
there
period
and.
T
Then
the
other
question
is
for
that:
mixed-use
component
parking
does
have
to
go
somewhere
is
parking
one
of
the
considerations
in
certain
areas
that
can
be
below
BFE
and
be
considered
part
of
the
criteria
for.
AE
AH
A
We're
going
to
talk
about
a
mixed
use
project.
Do
we
have
a
minimum
square
footage
of
commercial
that
must
be
required
as
to
make
it
a
mixed
use
project,
because
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
as
Greg
has
indicated,
you
know
you
when
we
talk
about
a
mixtures
building
a
business
center
that
occupies
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
building
would
be
sufficient
to
qualify.
What
otherwise
is
a
totally
residential
structure,
it's
being
mixed
use.
A
T
AF
Correct
so
the
way
that
form-based
codes
are
written
is
you
have
your
regulatory
standards
which
are
very
similar
to
a
conventional
zoning
code
in
terms
of
setbacks,
building,
Heights,
intensities
and
densities.
Those
types
of
things
additional
value.
Add
component,
is
you
have
these
building
types,
and
this
is
an
example
on
the
screen.
AF
This
is
the
the
medium
footprint
mixed-use
building,
which
is
the
primary
vehicle
for
mixed
use,
development,
which
would
be
appropriate
for
the
downtown
core
it
very
specifically-
and
this
is
just
the
first
page
of
I-
think
four
pages
of
Standards,
but
it's
very
specific
about
the
ground
floor
needing
to
be
reserved
for
retail
or
services
and
that
upper
floors
can
be
residential,
Hospitality
commercial,
their
off
our
office
uses.
AF
So
that's
the
the
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
building
type
that
gets
you
to.
If
these
additional
requirements
you
have
to
have
the
primary
structure
on
a
development
site
is
an
excuse.
Medium
footprint
makes
use
building
type,
then,
secondarily,
you
could
allow
the
liner
buildings,
which
would
hide
on-site
parking,
whether
it's
surface
or
parking
garage,
those
liner
buildings
can
be
residential
or
commercial.
AF
T
AE
Go
with
that
I
mean
the
last
thing.
I
want
I,
think.
The
whole
reason
why
we're
here
and
having
this
discussion
is
we
want
commercial
I,
don't
want
loopholes,
I
mean
that's
what
we're
trying
to
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
loopholes
or
somebody's
going
to
have
a
faxing
machine
and
guess
what
that's
mixed
use
right.
T
AE
AF
So
well,
the
way
that
it's
written
in
the
current
code
is
not
clear
and
staff
has
has
always
had
a
problem
with
that
ambiguous
as
to
whether
it's
25
percent
of
the
total
Site
Area
25
of
the
total,
like
leasable
sellable
space,
we
could
go
with
either
of
those
or
or
something
else
or
well.
B
E
B
B
G
B
It
was
not
acceptable
to
me
I,
don't
let's
be
really
clear,
that
project
was
not
going
to
pass
city
council.
If
it
came
before
us,
it
was
not
going
to
pass
city.
Council
Nora
was
probably
the
Fisherman's
Village
Project,
based
on
what
was
presented
in
the
initial
information
that
we
got,
which
city
council
never
actually
had
a
hearing
on
in
either
case.
So
you
know
we
got
blamed
for
a
lot
of
things.
B
We
never
did,
but
the
point
being
I
think
I
think
our
city
council
is
faced
with
a
lot
of
very
difficult
decisions,
and
this
is
this
is
one
of
them.
This
is
something
that's
going
to
be
critical
to
the
future
of
the
city,
and
we've
got
to
get
some
things
going
forward
to
re-energize
the
downtown
and
we've
got
to
do
some
things
that
make
sense
for
the
long
term
for
our
city
and
it's
not
going
to
be
popular
to
everybody.
There's
it's
just
a
fact,
but
we've
got
to
do
something.
B
That's
going
to
give
some
very
clear
parameters
to
Future
developers:
that's
going
to
tell
people
what
we
are
willing
to
accept
and
what
we're
not,
and
there
will
be
no
exceptions,
no
special
exceptions
and
no
variances
going
forward.
These
rules
will
be
hard
and
fast
and
they
will
be
the
gospel
for
the
city,
so
there
will
be
no
exceptions
after
we
approve
all
of
this
stuff
and
it's
still
got
to
go
through
the
public
hearing
process.
B
After
we're
done
today,
it's
going
to
go
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
come
back
to
us
at
a
later
time
this
year,
and
we've
got
to
do
that
before
November
1st
because
of
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments
that
have
to
be
submitted
to
the
state.
So
you
know,
we've
got
to
make
these
decisions
and
we've
really
got
to
use
a
really
hard
hard
brain
power
to
make
sound
decisions
on
all
of
this
stuff.
So.
T
Because
if
it
is
Site
Area,
then
you
have
this
type
building.
You
look
at
your
total
commercial
area
and
the
liner
buildings
that
you
talked
about
on
site.
They
could
be
the
parking
with
residential,
et
cetera,
but
they're,
not
the
primary
structures
on
the
building
and
of
course
you
can
have
a
parking
garage.
T
You
can
have
the
different
things
that
may
be
required
to
facilitate
the
parking,
but
you
still
have
to
have
the
percentage
if
it's
per
building
that's
a
much
different
thing
where
each
building
then
has
to
have
that
percentage,
and
that
then
does
Drive
different
parking
requirements.
Etc
you'd
have
to
build
more
of
a
deck
than
you
could
put
it
underneath
Etc.
We.
B
Also
have
the
the
public
space
that's
got
to
be
accounted
for
in
all
of
this.
AE
So
personally,
I
think
if
you
do
a
25
commercial
per
site,
it's
not
enough
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
do
necessarily
per
building,
because
I
can
see
that
being
an
issue.
If
somebody
wanted
to
come
in
and
put
you
know
commercial
on
the
outside
and
have
some
residential
on
the
inside
and
parking
wherever
the
parking
may
be
based
on
requirements,
but
I
do
think.
25
is
not
definitely
not
enough.
I.
AG
Well,
I
think
we're
sitting
here,
throwing
out
numbers
that
we
really
don't
have
a
basis
for
I
think
the
professionals
have
recommended
25.
That
seems
like
a
reasonable
number.
If
we
wanted
to
do
something,
different
I
would
need
to
understand
why
it
can't
be
just
we're
going
to
compromise
at
a
number
it.
There
has
to
be
some
factual
basis
for
it
and
I
just
I.
Don't
see
that
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
right,
but
I'm
saying
this
is
what
the
professionals
said
and
if
we're
going
to
do
something
else.
Why.
AF
So
again
from
there
from
their
area
of
expertise,
which
is
really
sort
of
the
form-based
code
regulatory
framework,
those
codes
are
generally
agnostic.
They
don't
really
they're
not
as
focused
on
what
the
uses
are
inside
of
the
building
other
than
how
they
interact
with
the
street.
AD
AF
AG
AG
The
rooftop,
Rock
Rooftop
Bar
is
fun,
I
mean
who
doesn't
like
to
go
to
the
wyvern
and
and
have
a
drink
and
see
the
view
so
I
think
if
it's
25
you're
as
the
building
grows,
you're
you're
growing
by
definition,
the
amount
of
of
space
that
you're
requiring.
If
you're
going
to
go
to
50.
Well,
now
you're
that
now
it's
half
the
whole
building
and
if
the
building
is
higher,
it's
more
it
I
mean
percentages
are
good
because
percentages
expand
with
the
expansion
of
a
project.
It's
not
a
fixed
hard
number.
Well.
T
The
there's
two
things
there,
one
you're
right,
if
you're
doing
it
for
building
but
the
current
code,
does
it
by
footprint
so
and
the
reason
it
doesn't
do
it.
For
example,
if
you
said
just
50,
then
if
you
have
a
four-story
building,
50
of
it
has
to
be
commercial.
You've
got
half
of
it.
If
you
had
a
six
story
building
and
fifty
percent,
you
do
have
I
mean
a
half
of
a
six-story
building,
but
right
now
it's
25
percent
of
the
total
footprint.
AC
I
can
agree
with
the
25
I
think
anybody's
going
to
come
in
here
and
develop
this
with
commercial
is
going
to
try
to
lease
this
space,
even
probably
before
it's
actually
built.
If
you
remember
correctly
before
we've
had
some
developers
and
it
couldn't
lease
this
space,
it
wasn't,
it
wouldn't
come
with
so
I
think
I
can
stay
with
25.
Also
with
residential.
You
know.
Residential
pays
almost
as
much
taxes
are
not
more
sometimes
than
the
commercial
downstairs.
So
that's
a
big
component
as
well.
Well,.
T
You
can
still
have
residential
with
parking
underneath
you
can
have
a
parking
deck
if
you
need
it,
but
as
the
site
gets
bigger
to
what
commissioner
goharski
was
saying,
you
know
if
it's
four
acres,
you
got
25
percent
of
four
acres,
it
doesn't
matter
what
you
have
on
it.
If
it's
10
acres
you
got,
25
percent
of
10
acres
still
has
to
be
commercial,
we're
30
or
100
whatever
it
is.
So.
AC
B
That
right,
so
all
right
so
should
we
leave
it
at
25,
which
is
where
it
is
at
this
time,
is.
AE
B
B
AE
AG
AF
AC
B
P
AE
I
from
day,
one
I've
always
said
that
I
want
our
downtown
to
have
articulated
Skyline
I,
do
not
want
to
see
boxes.
I
want
to
give
room
for
forgiving
height.
The
the
ways
to
you
know
hide
the
elevator
shafts,
the
different
encouragements,
and
it
just
to
me
this.
This
has
to
be
done.
AG
I
I
would
agree,
I
think
if
you
want
quaint
and
Charming.
This
is
the
most
important
part
of
the
whole
discussion,
because
it
gives
you
the
articulated.
Look.
It
hides
some
of
the
the
stuff
that
you
don't
want
to
see.
It
gives
you
this
is
the
fun
stuff.
This
is
what
makes
it
look
good.
It
gives
you
the
opportunity
to
have
the
rooftop
bars.
I
mean
to
me.
This
is
quaint
and
Charming
personified
right
here.
AC
What
you'll
wind
up
with,
if
you
want
that
I
think
this
is
important
to
do
this
I
told
the
city.
Imagine
we're
on
my
one-on-one
with
him.
If
you
go
to
Orlando
on
I-4
and
you
get
downtown
you're
going
to
see
a
building
with
a
pyramid
up
on
top
of
it
and
that
raising
that
pyramid
there
is
all
the
antennas
for
the
entire
city
or
inside
that
pyramid.
So
it
just
hides
it.
AD
B
So
I
I
agree
with
some
limitation
only
because
I
think
I
think
it
is
possible
to
build
an
80-foot
building
with
those
amenities
on
on
the
top
of
the
building
and
not
have
it
be
obtrusive
I
would
I
would
like
to
see
us
limit
the
amount
of
the
footprint
for
the
any
any
features
on
top
of
the
building
and
have
it
set
back
so
that
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
a
monumental
element
of
the
building
and
I
think
I
think
that's
possible
to
do.
B
It'll
actually
be
81
feet
above
base
flat
elevation
with
free
board,
but
I'm,
confident
that
we
with
minimal
rooftop
features
no
no
more
than,
let's
just
say,
15
or
20
percent,
of
the
total
footprint
of
the
building
being
rooftop
elements
for
elevator
towers
and
air
conditioning
equipment,
and
all
of
that
I'm.
Confident
that
that
would
that
would
probably
suffice
for
a
possible
development.
B
AG
B
No
that's
saying
in
addition
to
those
are
architectural
features
that
are,
in
my
opinion,
the
way
I
interpret.
This
is
the
these
are
additional
things
in
addition
to
the
80
feet
and
I,
don't
agree
with
that:
I'm
willing
to
accept
that
elevator
towers
and
stairwell
towers,
and
things
like
that
are
required
for
a
multiple
story.
Building
but
I,
don't
think
it's
required
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
necessary
to
have
the
entire
building
Elevate
another
15
feet
to
accommodate
that.
AG
Well,
but
it
doesn't,
it
says
the
tower
can
only
be
20
percent.
You
know
the
pitched
roof
is
just
a
form
to
hide
the
stuff
we're
talking
about
and-
and
you
can
only
do
a
rooftop
amenity
at
40,
so
I
think
this
does
absolutely
limit
it.
So
you're
not
seeing
you
know,
parapet
walls
can
only
be
six
feet.
I,
I,
I
see
this
is
absolutely
limiting
what
you
can
do
and
and
not
making
it
the
entire
top
of
the
building
I.
T
Well,
okay,
the
parapet.
Walls
are
your
architectural
features
at
the
top,
that's
above
your
habitable
space.
So
that's
where
you
get
your
variegated.
Whatever
is
required
in
article
7
for
architectural
features,
pitch
roof
form,
that's
another
type
of
roof.
The
rooftop
amenities
is
the
bar
Etc,
that's
different,
and
it's
40.
So
that's
definitely
something
that
you're
not
talking
about
right
and
the
tower
feature.
Of
course,
that's
a
feature
on
the
building
which
could
be
up
to
20
percent.
B
T
T
B
AC
AE
It's
going
to
again
we're
at
height
we're
talking
about
height
I,
know,
it's
a
very
scary
numbers
we're
throwing
out
here,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we
limit
this
you're
going
to
limit
building
which
you're
going
to
get
a
flat
rooftop
and
that's
not
what
I
want
and
if
you
look
at
this
well
the
one
side,
if
you
can
bring
that
upside
six.
Sorry
again,
you
know
you
look
at
the
pitched
roof.
AE
AG
But
I
think
you
all
know
where
I
stand
so
absolutely
I'm
in
agreement
with
councilman,
dryburg
and
Lockhart.
AD
B
P
B
T
AE
So
all
could
start
the
conversation
I
I
would
we've
gone
through
a
lot,
so
I
just
want
to
kind
of
bring
everything
back
in
when
we
left
our
last
meeting.
We
were
talking
about
one
space
for
residential,
and
if
they
got
up
to
80
feet,
it
would
be
one
and
a
half
spaces.
AE
Is
that
correct,
correct
and
that
was
Private
correct,
so
in
other
words,
if
they
went
and
I
guess
that
that's
where
I'd
like
the
conversation
to
go
if
they
go
to
80
feet
and
now
they
have
to
put
in
one
and
a
half
spaces
on
here,
it
looks
like
it's
public
instead
of
private,
so
I
have
a
couple
concerns.
Obviously
my
big
concern
is
parking,
no
matter
where
I
think.
Originally,
the
conversation
I
had
asked
for
two
and
the
conversation
went
to
one
and
then
one
and
a
half
to
to
come
up.
AE
What
I
don't
want
to
happen
is
that,
depending
on
the
density
and
depending
on
the
size
of
the
the
dwellings
of
residential
that,
if
you
have
two
people
in
there,
you
have
one
public
space,
but
you
only
have
one
private
for
that
particular
building
and
that's
where
I'm
just
a
little
concerned
that
we're
going
to
run
into
some
issues.
So
that's
where
I'd,
like
the
conversation
to
kind
of
be
more
clarified,.
T
This,
when
you
look
at
the
slide
itself,
when
it
says
50
feet,
there's
no
public
parking
required.
So
as
the
slide
is
written,
there's
additional
spaces
are
for
the
public
and
they
can
be
purchased.
They
could
be
built,
they
could
be
whatever.
But
then
the
parking
for
the
the
units
themselves
is
how
much
per
unit.
AF
So,
as
as
staff
understood
it
based
on
the
previous
discussions
that
the
the
requirement,
the
regulatory
requirement,
but
would
be
one
space
per
dwelling
across
the
board,
conceptually
like
the
the
reason
that
the
parking
requirements
the
regulatory
requirement
is
so
low,
is
that
you
want
to
enable
the
market
to
figure
out
how
much
parking
is
actually
needed.
All
of
the
regulatory
parking
requirements
that
you
see
in
every
Municipal
Code,
including
our
own
they're,
not
based
on
any
sort
of
science,
their
their
numbers
pulled
out
of
the
air.
AF
If
we
require
two
just
like
with
a
lot
of
our
condominium
developments,
even
out
in
Punta
Gorda
Isles,
where
we
know
that
everybody
has
at
least
two
cars
per
household,
you
see
a
lot
of
empty
parking
spaces
most
of
the
time.
So
there's.
T
Actually,
this
is
a
split
discussion,
because
the
intent
of
this
slide
is,
if
you
want
extra
height,
then
what
are
you
going
to
do
for
the
public
and
that
is
you're
going
to
provide
extra
public
parking?
Because
you
know
you
have
more
visitors
if
you
have
more
cars,
you've
got
whatever,
but
then
the
other
side
of
that
discussion
is
if
you
want
to
require
additional
parking
per
unit.
That
was
a
different
thing
than
the
intent
of.
AE
AC
AD
AE
B
AF
In
the
last
discussion,
our
what
was
in
the
code,
the
draft
code
prior
to
the
last
discussion
was
25
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
then
a
stair
step
up
to
45
dwelling
units
per
acre,
the
council
discussion.
There
was
some
consensus
around
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
staff
needed
to
know
where
that
60
units
lands.
Is
it
just
the
maximum
maximum
at
80,
or
is
there
some
reason
that
it
would
be
allowed
at
65.,
as
as
we
understood
it?
The
conversation.
B
AF
T
We
do
have
the
asterisk
in
there
that
says
that
hotels
are
exempt
from
the
open
space
requirement
and,
of
course,
they're
regulated
as
commercial
right.
There.
B
Okay,
and
once
again,
this
is
going
to
come
back
through
the
public
hearing
process.
It's
sometime
between
now
and
we'll.
O
AH
AH
The
agreement
was
awarded
to
CDM
Smith
of
Fort
Myers
Florida,
which
included
hourly
rates,
which
were
negotiated
that
at
that
time,
for
a
future
services,
specific
number
specific
authorization
number
seven
was
previously
awarded
to
CDM
Smith
to
renew
the
fde
P
permit,
which
authorizes
management
and
application
of
biosolids
at
the
city
wastewater
treatment
plant
located
on
Vermont
Road.
During
this
process
it
was
determined
that
FD
dep
regulations
were
revised
in
June
of
2021,
which
now
requires
the
city
to
develop
a
groundwater
monitoring
plan,
and
this
will
regulate
the
application
of
the
biosolids
to
the
site.
AH
The
purpose
of
the
groundwater
monitoring
plan
is
to
ensure
that
the
surface
water
quality
standards
are
not
violated.
Staff
has
requested
a
proposal
from
CDM
Smith
using
the
master
agreement.
This
is
a
time-sensitive
project
with
deadlines
from
the
fdep
total
lump
sum.
Cost
is
166
306.66,
inclusive
of
all
expenses.
Time
frame
to
complete
the
project
is
130
days.
Staff
has
recommended
award
amendment
number
nine
to
CDM
Smith
of
Fort
Myers
Florida,
and
this
was
budgeted
correct.
AC
W
B
AH
The
consulting
firm
shall
provide
sufficient
staff
and
services
to
manage
the
daily
activities
of
multiple
Marine
Contractors
Services
shall
include,
but
not
limited
to
Quality
Control,
providing
daily
Inspection
Services,
responding
to
City
concerns
and
FEMA
documentation
with
status
reports
to
city
staff.
This
is
a
not
to
exceed
contract
and
the
hourly
rates
for
the
positions
anticipated
for
this
project
have
been
negotiated
with
a
not
to
exceed
of
1
million,
eight
hundred
twenty
nine
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
five
dollars.
The
project
is
anticipated
to
take
over
18
months.
B
AI
Certainly
Kathy
Miller
Canal
maintenance
I
just
want
to
remind
Council
that
after
Hurricane
Irma,
we
had
contracted
the
manufacturing
of
Seawall
panels
and
we
performed
the
inspection
services
in-house.
At
that
time
we
had
to
provide,
we
had
to
purchase
Vehicles
laptops
and
hire
individuals
I
think
we
hired
four
additional
individuals
this
time
after
Hurricane
or
Ian,
we
had
discussion
along
with
staff
and
FEMA
that
we
were
going
to
manufacture
the
seawall
panels
by
in-house
staff
and
we
were
going
to
hire
a
consultant
to
provide
the
inspection
services.
AI
The
reason
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
this
was
because
we
only
have
one
construction
inspector
and
we
have
other
projects
that
he
will
also
be
focused
on.
One
of
them
is
the
channel
marker
replacement.
The
other
one
is
the
lock
widening.
We
also
have
annual
contracts
like
Inlet
and
Dockside
dredging.
We
have
Mangrove
trimming
as
well,
so
he
would
have.
It
would
have
been
too
much
work
just
for
the
one
individual,
as
well
as
all
the
FEMA
inspections,
and
things
like
that,
so
that
that
was
our
original
plan.
AG
AI
Well,
not
it,
they
will
be
ensuring
that
the
sea
walls
are
built
correctly.
The
quantities
have
to
be
verified
just
for
FEMA
reimbursement
and
things
like
that.
So
yeah,
we
anticipate
four
inspectors
from
the
consultant.
I
do
know
that
the
contract
includes
things
like
a
professional
engineer,
just
in
case
we
come
across
some
anomalies
that
we
have
to
redesign.
We
also
have
a
designer
some
money
in
there
for
a
designer.
These
are
just
for
anomalies
that
we
may
encounter
during
the
process.
T
And
what
this
does
is
when
you
have
that
type
of
inspector
I
mean
on
site.
You
have
all
these
projects
going
on.
You
got
three
contractors
that
are
in
the
canals.
You've
got
quantities
that
are
on
site.
You
have
to
Define
what
those
quantities
are.
You
have
quantities,
sea
Wells
that
are
constructed
that
have
to
be
the
right
ones.
They
have
to
be
make
sure
they're,
not
you
know
ones
that
are
next
door,
that
we
don't
get
paid
for.
T
You've
got
all
the
pay
items
that
come
in,
so
we
have
inspectors
that
are
looking
at
all
these
things
and
making
sure
it's
done
in
a
way
the
city
gets
it
done
correctly
and
gets
paid
for
by
FEMA
for
what's
happening.
So
a
lot
of
detail,
a
lot
of
work,
you
can
do
each
one
of
these
inspections.
That
they're
monitoring
to
make
sure
is
not
only
priced
out
correctly,
but
constructed
correctly
is,
as
importantly,.
B
T
We
hope
that,
like
all
FEMA
stuff,
that
this
will
be
included
in
the
FEMA
reimbursements-
and
you
know-
hopefully
we
would
get
87.5
back
so
we're
not
paying
this
total
amount.
As
long
as
we
get
anything
back
from
FEMA,
which
we
haven't
been
guaranteed
yet
by
any
means,
so
we
would
be
paying
a
fraction
of
this
amount
more
like
10
of
it
than
the
whole
cost.
L
Good
morning
Kristen
Simeone
Finance
director.
We
want
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
general
fund
and
where
our
military
is.
First,
we
wanted
to
provide
you
an
updated
pro
forma.
The
County's
taxable
value
came
in
and
it
was
higher
than
our
five
percent
estimate.
It
was
a
little
bit
over
11
percent,
so
that
did
increase
the
revenue
in
fiscal
year,
24
through
28,
and
then
we
did
increase
the
infrastructure
and
other
considerations
line
by
that
same
amount.
L
One
other
item
that
we
will
be
adding
to
this
performa.
It
just
came
up
after
we'd
already
prepared.
These
slides
is
adding
one
additional
staff
member
for
the
police
department
for
a
security
officer
to
be
able
to
attend
these
meetings,
as
well
as
security
for
some
of
the
other
buildings.
Instead
of
bringing
officers
in
on
overtime.
T
This
also
positions
us
forward
to
when
our
new
council
chambers,
which
we
have
a
security
desk
that
will
be
manned.
We
originally
looked
at
this
until
we
got
our
Revenue
projections
in
we
wanted
to
go
back
to
three
instead
of
four.
So
now
we're
back
to
four.
We
know
when
we
project
the
five
percent
by
we
I
mean
Kristen,
rejects
that
it's
always
conservative.
T
We
know
what
we
got
last
year
and
we
know
what
we
anticipated
this
year,
but
until
we
get
the
final
numbers
in,
we
always
have
conservative,
Revenue
estimates
and
conservative
expenditure
estimates
to
match.
So
this
now
allows
us
to
have
the
additional
funds
we
need
without
looking
at
taking
it
from
our
Reserves
aside
from
the
excess
reserves
that
we
have
a
programmed
expenditure,
because
we
know
when
we
redo
the
third
floor,
when
we're
redoing
the
various
facilities
around
the
city,
that
FEMA
and
our
insurance
company
aren't
paying
100
of
that
cost.
T
L
Thank
you,
thank
you
and
then
so
again.
These
are
considerations
that
we
already
did
talk
about
in
the
last
meeting,
but
some
of
the
bigger
ones
are
the
discussion
of
the
cost
of
living.
Adjustments
for
the
retirees
for
all
three
defined
benefit
plans,
again:
hiring
Public
Safety,
whether
it's
fire
or
police.
L
If
we
do
not
get
those
grants
being
able
to
move
those
forward
again,
economic
forecast,
you
know
it's
a
five-year
plan,
we
don't
know
what
will
happen
in
the
on
The
Five-Year
Plan,
but
we
try
to
again
budget
for
things
that
might
happen
and
then
the
Personnel
requests
that
we
talked
about,
and
then
we
have
our
normal
slides
just
showing
what
the
effect
is
on
homesteaded
properties,
because
again
the
maximum
that
a
homestead
of
property
can
go
up
valuation
wise
for
fiscal
year.
This
coming
fiscal
year
will
be
three
percent.
L
T
We
still
have
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
that
when
you're
looking
at
your
tax
bill,
obviously
you
say
well:
my
taxes
went
up
x
amount,
but
when
you
have
six
plus
for
the
school
board,
six
plus
for
the
county,
you're
already
13.,
you
know
we're
almost
14
and
then
you
have
four
for
the
3.95
for
the
city.
So
if
you're
looking
at
17
or
18
cents
on
your
tax
bill
of
that,
the
city
is
3.95,
the
rest
is
somewhere
else.
T
So
when
people
look
at
the
total
increase,
the
maximum
increase
that
you
would
see
if
you're
homesteaded
here,
if
your
home
is
valued
at
a
million
dollars,
the
assessment
is
a
million
dollars,
is
119
dollars,
say
10
bucks
a
month
250
a
week,
so
that
200
or
that
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
a
week
would
be
what
is
attributable
to
the
city.
If
you're
homesteaded,
with
a
million
dollar
assessment
on
your
property,.
L
So
the
3.950
mils
is
11.43
over
the
calculated
rollback
rate
of
3.5449
mils
and
again
this
just
sets
what's
going
to
go
on
the
trim
notice
and
we
will
have
discussions
in
September
for
final
trades.
B
Okay,
so
a
couple
of
things
that
that
should
be
on
the
record
officially
is
that
the
millage
rate
is
not
increasing
next
year
very
important,
because
social
media
will
tell
you
otherwise
the
millage
rate
is
staying
the
same
for
2024
as
it
has
been
for
the
last
two
years.
That
is
extremely
important
to
me.
B
We
still
have
a
lot
of
unfunded
projects
so
contrary
to
again
what
social
media
will
tell
you,
if
there's
an
increase
in
the
taxable
value
overall
to
the
city
from
the
overall
County
taxes,
that
it
doesn't
mean
we're
rolling
in
cash.
It
also
doesn't
mean
the
city's
going
bankrupt,
but
what
it
does
mean
is
that
there
are
projects
that
can
be
funded
that
need
to
be
funded.
That
didn't
previously
have
funds
available.
So
that's
a
really
important
thing
that
I
think
can
be
shared
with
people
and
I.
B
Think
I
think
it's
important
that
that
our
residents
understand
we're
doing
the
very
best
we
can
to
keep
things
moving
to
keep
the
quality
level
of
services
available
to
our
residents.
That
we've
had,
as
we
continue
to
grow
and
growth
is
inevitable.
We've
got
a
lot
of
new
properties
coming
online
throughout
the
city,
and
it's
going
to
be
important
that
we
maintain
our
Vital
services,
such
as
police
and
fire
and
sanitation
and
Public
Works,
Water
and
Sewer
all
of
those
things.
B
So
it
is
extremely
important
that
we
that
we
keep
a
very
close
eye
on
where
our
finances
are
and
again
I
commend
the
finance
department
staff
for
all
of
the
hard
work
you've
done
to
put
this
together,
because
it's
a
lot
of
work,
I
think
it's
minutiae
work,
and
this
takes
it's
tedious
and
and
I.
Thank
you
for.
B
Yes
and
each
department
has
come
together
as
a
cohesive
team
under
the
leadership
of
Mr
Murray
and
everybody
is
working
together
for
the
greater
good,
and
over
this
past
year,
we've
been
taxed
with
a
lot
of
obstacles
in
the
way
because
of
the
hurricane
and
all
the
the
things
that
have
happened.
All
the
different
departments,
with
with
all
the
hurricane,
Devastation
and
and
truly
I'm,
so
proud
of
this
entire
team
and
I
I,
couldn't
be
happier
that
you've
done
such
a
great
job
in
managing
the
budget.
So
I'll
get
off
myself.
T
B
Our
reserves-
oh
yeah,
that's
the
important
thing
we
didn't
talk
about.
With
this
millage
rate.
We
have.
We
have
potentially
some
surplus
funds
from
last
year
that
may
be
able
to
be
rolled
over
into
the
reserve
account
which
will
bring
us
up
to
our
nationally
acclaimed
16.7
percent
Reserve
account,
which
is
critical,
correct
for
financial
stability
going
forward.
That's
really
a
big
deal.
AG
Years
ahead
of
where
we
expected
to
be
at
this
time
that
that
is
the
number
to
me
that
says
it
all,
because
that's
your
financial
stability,
you
can
weather
hurricanes,
you
can
weather
a
lot
of
other
things
if
you
have
Resorts,
if
you
have
no
reserves,
you
got
a
real
problem
and
I
am
thrilled
that
it's
back
to
where
it
is
as
quick
as
it
is.
That's.
AC
AC
AB
B
Circle
and
we're
we're
where
we
need
to
be
as
the
nationally
recognized
level
of
Reserve
funding
for
emergency
purposes
and
that's
a
very
critical
thing
for
us.
So
kudos
to
you
and
the
team
really
truly.
Q
AG
A
very
good
Dean
I
would
have
to
add,
though,
because
breaking
our
arms
patting
ourselves
all
in
the
back,
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
we're
sitting
here,
fat
and
happy
with
cash.
What
it
means
is
that
we're
back
on
a
stable
footing,
and
now
we
can
continue
to
to
improve
improve
our
infrastructure
as
we
had
planned,
as
opposed
to
not
being
able
to
do
it
and
have
it
crumbling.
So
just
so
so.
B
Know
back
with
cash
and
that's
what
I
said
before
you
know:
it
doesn't
mean
we're
rolling
in
Dough
because
we're
not
we
we're
just
at
the
point
where
we
we
have
the
ability
to
be
solvent
and
going
forward.
We
can.
We
can
breathe
a
little
easier
that
if
there
was
a
absolute
horrible
emergency,
God
forbid
that
you
know
we
would
have.
We
would
have
Reserve
funds
there
sitting
there
if
we
need
them,
that's
really
an
important
thing
and.
T
The
whole
plan
that
we're
able
to
facilitate
our
infrastructure
plan
our
personnel
management
plan
as
you
referenced.
This
just
means
that
we're
on
track
for
that
plan
I
mean
we
still
have
I
mean,
for
example,
you
know,
know
the
number
homes
we
now
have
the
amount
of
canals
that
we
have
our
waterways.
You
know,
26
years
ago
we
had
one
Marine
officer
Now,
26
years
later
we
have
one
Marine
officer,
so
you
know
we
still
have
a
ways
to
go.
We
have
things
to
do,
but
we're
funding
what
we
can
progressively
so
so.
B
You
know
this:
this
is
only
one
small
portion
of
the
overall
tax
bill
and
I
think
you
know
we
get.
We
get
yelled
at,
because
the
tax
bills
go
up.
We
don't
have
any
control
over
the
counties,
portion
of
the
tax
bill,
the
sheriff's
office
or
the
school
district,
or
any
of
the
other
assessments
that
go
on
in
the
county.
At
the
county
level.
B
We
do
have
control
over
the
city's
part
of
the
budget
and
and
you
will
not
see
a
millage
rate
increase
on
the
city's
portion
of
the
tax
bill.
That's
a
really
important
thing
and
I
and
I
really
can't
stress
that
enough.
I
know
I
know
people
write
us
letters
and
they're
mad
because
their
taxes
went
up.
That's
not
the
city's
fault,
truly
It
Isn't
So
anyway.
Okay,
so
for
whoever
makes
the
motion
you
must
State
on
the
record
what
the
what
the
lieutenant.
B
Is
is
at
and,
and
you
actually
should
read
the
summary
from
the
from
the
cover
sheet.
Please.
AC
The
resolution
sets
the
attentive
Village
rate
and
public
budget
hearing
for
Wednesday
September
6
2023
at
501
pm
at
the
military
Heritage
Museum
at
900,
West
Meriden,
Avenue,
Punta,
Gorda,
affordable,
Florida,
I'm.
Sorry,
the
taxable
value
of
the
Homestead
Property
will
increase
no
more
than
three
percent
in
tax
year.
2023
2024,
in
accordance
with
State
statutes,.
B
R
J
T
X
U
U
T
T
Q
T
B
T
Well,
no
off
with
Council
asked
for
our
leases
to
be
reviewed
so
that
we
can
look
at
the
terms
of
the
leases,
the
calls
for
the
leases
Etc
and
we
can
start
making
some
decisions
moving
forward
for
consistency
and
ask
that
we
give
the
attorney
a
couple
to
look
at
in
the
ensuing
week.
The
ones
we
looked
at
were
some
of
our
older
two
one
being
the
boat
club
lease
one
being
Cooper
Street
rec
center
or
it
was
Cooper
Street.
A
And
by
way
of
further
introduction,
I
have
been
asked
and
not
too
distant
past,
to
take
a
look
at
Elise
with
a
question
regarding
a
possible
subleasing
of
the
facility
and
and
that
caused
me
to
take
a
look
at
the
lease
and
also
do
some
research
with
respect
to
the
components
that
are
required
to
be
within
a
a
lease
of
city
property
so
as
to
not
run
afoul
of
the
Florida
constitutional
provision.
A
There
were
two
attorney
general's
opinions
that
stood
out
summarizing,
Florida
case
law
and
Advising
local
governments
as
to
basically
a
two-prong
test
to
determine
the
validity
of
City
leases
of
city
property
and
I.
I
wrote
an
opinion,
unfortunately,
in
the
short
notice
it
didn't
get
delivered
until
last
night,
but
essentially,
as
I
said,
there's
two
two
parts
of
the
test.
A
The
first
is
that
the
city
council
must
determine
before
they
approve
a
lease
that
the
that
the
city
public,
the
General
Public,
is
the
primary
beneficiary
of
the
lease
arrangement
with
the
entity
that
is
entering
into
the
lease
with
the
city
being
only
secondarily
benefited,
and
as
long
as
that,
first
prong
of
the
test
is
satisfied.
You
can
move
on
to
the
SEC
part
of
the
test,
which
I'll
explain
in
just
a
moment,
but
at
the
first
part
of
the
test
is
not
satisfied.
A
In
other
words,
there's
the
city
is
only
incidentally
benefited.
A
A
If
that
purpose
changes
over
time,
the
city
basically
has
a
continuing
obligation
to
make
sure
that
the
intent
of
of
the
benefits
of
the
benefits
were
still
basically
the
general
public
and
not
the
The
Entity
or
even
the
members
of
the
of
the
entity
that
were
benefited
and
and
the
city
has
an
obligation
to
monitor
that
and
take
appropriate
action
if,
if
the
property
isn't
being
used
for
its
intended
purpose
now,
the
second
part
of
the
test
is
intended
to
ensure
that
the
city
does
have
basically
absolute
control
of
the
operation.
A
In
general,
of
the
of
the
prop
of
the
use
of
the
property
and
the
the
Attorney
General
listed
a
number
of
factors
to
be
considered
and
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
read
them.
For
the
purposes
of
the
record.
First
was:
does
the
lease
recognize
the
absolute
right
to
terminate
the
lease
that
the
city
council
determines
that
either
the
intended
public
use
is
no
longer
being
accomplished?
A
The
intended
public
use
is
no
longer
needed,
or
the
city
desires
to
use
the
property
for
another
public
purpose,
which
is
deemed
to
be
more
important
than
to
the
city
than
the
first.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
leases
are,
are
long-term
leases
historically,
and
sometimes
you
know
the
city's
needs
and
change
over
time
and
the
property
might
be
more
needed
for
another
purpose
than
what
was
originally
intended
or
one.
That's
that's
a
greater
purpose
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
the
city
should
have
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
terminate
the
lease
now.
A
Of
course,
if
this,
if
the,
if
the
tenant
the
lessee
spends
a
lot
of
money
on
the
improvements
on
the
property
at
their
expense,
it's
appropriate
for
the
city
to
take
that
into
consideration
when
exercising
their
right,
to
terminate
the
at
least
for
for
a
different
purpose,
but
but
that
should
not
preclude
the
city
from
being
able
to
terminate
the
lease
on
that
basis.
Second,
does
the
lease
require
approval
of
the
city
of
the
lessee's
programs
by
the
city
on
a
continuing
basis?
A
Again,
this
ensures
that
the
property
is
being
used
for
the
use
that
was
initially
intended.
I
mean
there
may
be
an
opportunity
or
reason
why
the
the
use
morphs
into
something
different,
but
if
it
and
if
it
morphs
into
something
different
that
either
the
city
doesn't
feel
as
beneficial
to
this
to
the
city
as
a
whole
or
as
a
as
a
use.
That's
that's
not
contemplated.
The
city
should
have
the
opportunity
to
deal
with
that
eventuality.
Three.
A
Does
the
lease
contain
adequate
requirements
for
the
Legacy
to
protect
the
city
from
potential
liability
by
requiring
the
acquisition
and
maintenance
of
public
liability
insurance
by
including
indemnification
provisions
and
and
by
including
Provisions,
to
protect
the
city
against
any
mechanics,
liens
or
other
liens
of
any
nature
such
as
mortgages?
Next
does
the
lease
prohibit
the
assignment
at
least
to
another
entity
and
and
or
subletting
the
lease,
at
least
without
the
written
consent
of
the
city
council?
And
lastly,
it
does
the
lease
contain
cancellation
and
reversionary
Provisions.
A
A
What
are
the
terms
of
those
leases
but
felt
that
it
was
necessary
to
to
try
to
kind
of
review
them
and
make
sure
that
our
city
leases
comport
with
the
Constitutional
prohibition,
as
outlined
by
the
attorney
general
and
so
I
I,
asked
to
and
actually
I
was
provided
two
leases
by
the
city
manager
to
take
a
look
at
based
on
them.
A
A
That's
ultimately
for
your
consideration
and
and
I'll
leave
it
for
you
to
ultimately
decide
with
respect
to
that
in
any
other
lease
that
comes
before
you
on
that
basis,
so
the
next
question
was
assuming
that
it
does
pass
the
the
first
prong
of
the
Attorney
General's
test.
What
about
the
second
prong
regarding
the
control
of
the
city
and
and
for
the
most
part,
the
terms
of
the
boat
club?
Lease
do
include
standard
Provisions
that
address
the
company
liability
insurance
does
contain
a
Prohibition
against
the
assignment
or
subletting
of
the
lease
without
City
consent.
A
A
It
does
allow
the
city
to
terminate
the
lease
if
there's
a
Paramount
public
purpose
for
the
property
and
it
insulates
the
city
from
the
obligation
to
fund
day-to-day
operations
of
the
club
and
and
contains
Provisions
requiring
the
the
boat
club
to
identify
and
hold
the
city
harmless
from
all
any
all
claims,
and-
and
so,
and
so
my
my
assessment
was
that
the
boat
club
at
least,
does
substantially
comply
with
the
provisions
of
the
second
prong.
The
substantial
public.
A
So
the
fact
that
the
city
may
may
lease
some
property
for
nominal
consideration
is
not
an
issue
as
long
as
the
the
other
tests
have
been
appropriately
satisfied,
then
I
took
a
look
at
the
the
lease
with
new
operation,
Cooper
Street
and
again,
there's
a
requirement
that
the
that
the
use
of
the
property
result
in
a
substantial
public
interest
to
the
city
as
at
large
and,
interestingly
enough.
A
In
the
intent
purpose
and
and
use
of
the
premises,
paragraph
of
the
most
recent
lease,
which
was
May,
adopted,
May,
5th,
1992
and
subsequently
amended,
does
contain
a
reference
in
that
paragraph
to
one
of
the
two
attorney
general's
opinions.
I
looked
at
and
that's
the
77-27
Attorney
General
opinion,
and
so
there
was
a
finding
that
the
that
the
that
the
lease
to
the
Cooper
Street
new
new
operation,
Cooper
Street
at
that
time
was
was
consistent
with
the
attorney
general's
opinion
77-27.
A
But
to
be
honest
with
you,
aside
from
the
public
interest
test
criteria
that
again
is
ultimately
up
to
the
city
council
to
determine,
based
on
your
knowledge
as
to
how
that
property
is
currently
being
utilized
as
to
whether
or
not
is
actually
being
utilized
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public.
You
know
totally
amount
to
you.
A
I
was
very
concerned
about
the
fact
that
in
in
most
instances
the
notwithstanding
the
fact
that
it
suggested
that
it
was
governed
by
attorney
general
opinion
77-27,
it
did
not
comply
with
some
of
the
significant
provisions
of
the
Attorney
General.
That
would
make
it
consistent
with
the
and
and
comply
with
the
the
prohibition
of
the
attorney
of
the
the
excuse
me,
the
Florida
Constitution
in
particular.
A
It
says
that
for,
for
example,
the
tenant
shall
have
the
right
to
sublease
the
premise
or
any
part
thereof,
and
it
doesn't
re
and
it
doesn't
say
or
require
the
city's
approval
in
order
to
do
that
and
I
think
that's
I
think
that's
a
very
significant
negative
feature.
In
accordance
with
the
attorney
general.
A
The
paragraph.
Seven
of
the
of
the
current
lease
agreement
has
amended
substantially
limits
the
ability
of
the
city
to
terminate
the
lease,
particularly
where
the
city
council
determines
that
either
the
intended
public
purpose
is
no
longer
being
accomplished.
The
attended
public
purpose
is
no
longer
needed,
or
the
city
desires
to
use
the
property
for
another
public
purpose,
which
is
deemed
to
be
more
important
now.
A
I
have
no
I,
have
no
personal
knowledge
as
to
whether
or
not
any
of
those
things
apply
currently
other
than
to
say
that
the
lease
doesn't
allow
the
city
to
exercise
its
control,
that
the
Attorney
General
says
be
there
with
respect
to
the
the
use
of
the
property
and
the
bill
and
the
ability
of
the
city
to
ultimately
take
back
the
property
if
they
need
to
do
so
and
and
the
lease
the
the
sub.
The
current
lease,
as
amended,
does
not
require
approval
of
legacy's
programs
by
the
city
on
a
continuing
basis.
A
Again,
that's
important
for
the
city,
as
as
the
Attorney
General
says,
to
ensure
that
the
property
is
continuing
to
provide
the
public
benefit
that
was
initiate
initially
determined
to
be
provided
by
when
the
lease
went
into
effect,
and
it
does
not
contain
adequate
requirements
for
the
lessee
to
protect
the
city
from
potential
liability
by
requiring
the
acquisition
and
maintenance
of
public
liability
insurance,
including
indemnification
Provisions.
A
Instead.
Actually,
the
lease
requires
the
city
to
pay
for
those
those
protections.
So,
in
essence,
that
would
be
the
use
of
City
funds
to
benefit
this
non-governmental
entity
for
the
city's
own
protection
and
that
would
again
run
afoul
of
the
the
tests
as
set
forth
in
the
Attorney
General's
opinion.
A
So
I
concluded
that
the
the
agreement,
at
least
as
amended,
appears
to
be
inconsistent
with
the
factors
listed
by
the
Florida
attorney
general
and
ago
77-27,
which
would
render
the
lease
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
provisions
of
article
7,
section,
10,
Florida,
Constitution
and
accordingly,
consistent
with
the
Florida
case
law
described
above.
If
the
agreement
of
lease
as
amended,
fails
to
comply
with
said
constitutional
provision,
said
least,
maybe
deemed
UltraViolets
and
void.
In
other
words,
it's
as
if
it
never
existed,
because
we
cannot
enter
into
agreements
that
violate
the
state
constitution.
A
So
I
suggested
that
the
city
council,
after
determining
at
least
with
new
operation
Cooper
Street,
satisfies
the
Attorney
General's
substantial
public
interest
tests.
There
should
be
this.
The
city
should
require
re-drafting
of
the
agreement
of
the
lease
in
a
form
which
better
satisfies
the
sufficiency
of
City
control
tests,
as
stated
in
a
geode
77-27
for
leases
of
city
property,
and
if
that
can't
be
accomplished,
then
the
the
city
should
terminate
that
lease,
because
it's
inconsistent.
Well,
it's
not.
AD
AE
So
I'd
like
to
address
boat
club
first
I,
have
never
thought
that
bow
Club
served
a
public
purpose.
There's
been
issues
over
there
when
I
think
of
a
public
purpose,
building
I.
Think
of
something
that
I
can
walk
into
I
can
park
at
I
can
get
involved
in
their
different
activities
such
as
Visual
Arts
I
can
park
there,
I
can
go
in
I.
AE
Can
shop,
I
can
get
involved,
pay
for
classes,
Etc,
Peace,
River,
Wildlife,
Center
I
can
go
there
and
see
all
the
animals
do
education
center
Etc,
the
boat
club
to
me,
is
basically
like
them
running
a
building
from
us
and
they're.
A
for-profit
company.
Essentially
a
private
yacht
club
in
my
opinion,
does
not
serve
a
public
purpose.
You
have
to
be
a
member.
They
have
ropes
roped
off
for
parking.
We
had
an
issue
this
past
Fourth
of
July
where
they
overstepped,
and
we
had
several
residents
residents.
AE
A
B
AE
Them
well
only
because
I
had
residents,
email
me
and
I
checked
with
I,
believe
Mr,
Murray
and
Lisa,
and
they
did
confirm
the
fact
that
they
did
not
allow
people
to
park
where
they
should
have.
Okay,.
B
AD
Regarding
the
public
purpose,
I
tend
to
agree
with
Melissa
I
mean
I
do
know
that
they
host,
you
know
the
Coast
Guard,
and
they
do
some
things
like
that.
You
know
for
educational
Seminars.
The
thing
that
is
disturbing
to
me
is
with
Bay
Front
out
of
action.
Our
learn
to
sale
program
you
know
has
had
to
scramble
in
order
to
have
its.
AD
You
know,
classes
this
summer,
The
Boat
Club
to
me
would
be
the
perfect
organization
to
step
up
and
house
it
I
I'm,
it's
my
understanding
that
they're
charging
the
rent,
so
that
seems
a
little,
not
okay
in
terms
of
what
they
you
know,
what
they
could
do
and
also
they
are
not
Cooperative
on
a
number
of
things.
So
again,
they're
a
good
group
and
they
have
put
a
lot
of
money
in
the
building
I
mean
I-
do
not
know
that.
But
but
again,
if
you
want
to
use
the
facility,
you
have
to
run
it.
AG
AG
AC
I'm
not
a
boater
I
know
they're.
There
I
have
no
idea
what
they
do.
I,
don't
know
whether
I'm
welcome
there
I,
don't
know
where
that
can
just
go.
There
I've
always
thought
that
we
were
kind
of
off
limits,
so
we
had
to
park
in
the
bay
front.
We
weren't
allowed
to
go
there,
I,
don't
know
what
they
do
and
I
think.
That's
probably
one
of
the
leases
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
I.
Think
when
McDonald's
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
this
thing.
B
I
I'm,
the
only
council
person
that
was
here
when
that
lease
was
discussed,
and
that
was
actually
never
part
of
the
discussion
was
the
public
interest
part
of
it.
I
wish
we
had,
because
that
could
have
been
discussed
when
we
drafted
the
terms
of
that
lease
agreement.
B
B
Is
it
ex
100
that
way?
No,
it
is
not.
It
is
a
membership
club,
but
on
the
other
side
of
it,
part
of
the
part
of
the
statement
on
the
Attorney
General
was
that
they
have
spent
a
lot
of
money
to
fix
that
building
up.
Since
we
agreed
to
the
terms
of
the
new
lease
they
put
a
new
roof
on
it,
they've
done
a
lot
of
landscaping.
They
repainted
it
they've
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
building
and
I
think
they.
B
They
have
a
very
presentable
facility
now,
where
it
wasn't
that
way,
two
or
three
years
ago.
So
for
that
I'm
very
grateful,
so
I
don't
necessarily
have
a
problem
with
that
lease.
It's
the
other
one.
That
concerns
me
a
lot
that
that's
been
also
reviewed.
AD
Just
to
add
to
that
I
mean
I,
think
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
have
the
boat
club
there,
not
by
any
means,
but
maybe
the
boat
clubs
activities
don't
rise
to
the
same
level
of
public
service
and
involvement
as
Peace
River
Wildlife.
So
maybe
they
shouldn't
be
getting
this
for
a
dollar
a
year,
and
maybe
we
should
be
looking
at
differentiation
in
leases
because
I
don't
think
it's
a
dollar
a
year
situation.
AE
And
I
would
like
to
add
I
mean
I,
think
it's
great
that
they
they
went
ahead
and
updated
the
building.
However,
just
if
I
run
a
house,
I
can
update
the
house,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
rent
it
I
do
not
own
it,
so
that
to
me
doesn't
really
I'm
not
going
to
say
it.
It
serves
a
public
purpose
because
they
put
some
money
into
the
building.
AE
B
A
That's
not
entirely
correct.
It's
it's
not
it's
not
like
a
ground
lease
like
we
have
with
Lashley
at
the
Lashley
Marina.
A
They
we
have
an
obligation
under
the
lease
if
we
terminate
it
early
to
buy
back
the
to
cut
basically
compensate
them
for
the
the
materials,
this
construction,
the
build
building
the
building
and
that,
but
that's
totally
different
than
a
ground
lease
situation
where,
where
they
own
the
building,
so
I
mean
it's
a
matter
of
semantics.
A
We
can't
we
can't
just
take
throw
them
out
and
say:
okay,
we're
gonna,
take
the
building
as
well,
but
but
we
own
the
property
and
and
they're
there
at
our
pleasure
and.
T
It
did
change
somewhat
also
because
they
used
to
manage
the
dock
that
was
in
front
of
the
sea
wall
there
or
learn
to
say,
oh,
is,
and,
as
of
you
know,
when
the
lease
changed,
they
no
longer
managed
that
dock,
which
took
away
that
part
of
the
public
purpose
and
then,
of
course,
it's
roped
off
the
whole
way
around
the
property.
If
you
want
to
get
to
the
front
to
see
anything,
you
have
to
stay
outside
the
rope
and
Go
the
whole
way
around.
T
AC
We've
got
people
renting
off
space
over
there,
we've
got
Blanchard
house
all
of
a
sudden,
moved
in
there
taking
over
a
lot
of
things
and
some
of
the
stuff
that
they
were
offering
are
there.
We
had
a
lady
come
before
us
today
to
complain
about
some
things
over
there,
I
and
I
will
have
to
get
to
our
attorney
I.
Personally,
myself,
I
think
we've
got
to
terminate
the
lease
and
and
draft
a
new
one
and
let's
get
them
back
on
track.
B
I
I
the
YMCA
continue
to
have
their
operation
there,
because
that's
that's
clearly
the
only
other
place
we
can
offer
to
them
at
this
time
and
and
I
just
I,
don't
want
to
see
it
needs
to
be
a
youth
center.
That's
what
it
was
that
it
was
really
there
for
that
purpose.
So,
if
we're
not
allowing
them
the
use
of
the
facility
to
what
they
need
it
for
I
think
that's
a
problem.
B
I
also
know
of
at
least
two
other
groups,
one
that
was
there
temporarily
and
was
kind
of
run
out
of
there
and
I
know
of
another
group
that
wanted
to
have
to
use
the
the
outdoor
Courtyard
area
for
events,
and
they
were
told
flat
out
no
and
that
to
me
would
have
been
public
purpose
well.
AD
AD
C
B
Mean
I
think
I
have
nothing
against
new
operation,
Cooper
Street
as
an
organization.
However,
I
think
that
the
city
has
to
have
some
level
of
control
over
that
facility,
and
we
don't.
We
have
no
control
over
it
at
all
and
I
see
no
reason
in
the
world
why
the
city
should
have
to
expend
money
for
anything
if
they're
going
to
be
the
landlord
and
they're
renting
space
out
to
other
organizations.
That's
just
not
okay
with
me
yeah.
So.
T
And
it
appeared
that
some
of
the
prior
uses
was
always
a
youth
center.
They
had
their
own
certified
and
that
all
went
away,
and
now
it's
become
more
of
an
intergenerational
thing,
adult
and
youth
and
that
integration,
not
that
that's
a
bad
thing.
I
just
don't
know
Council
deems
that.
That's
the
purpose.
The
public
purpose
that
you
wanted
to
see
at
that
location,
all
along
so
I,
don't
know
David
would
have
to
bind
the
attorney
that
we
need
to
terminate
Elise
because
I
think
the
lease
doesn't
exist
really.
A
Yeah,
no,
that's
I
think
that
the
proper
way
to
go
given
the
fact
that
this
item
on
the
agenda
was
a
just
a
kind
of
a
discussion
of
City
leases
in
general.
But
of
course,
we
chose
two
to
use
as
examples
and
based
on
the
discussion
that
I've
heard
of
the
council.
I
think
that
it
warrants
a
separate
agenda
item
specifically
addressing
the
deficiencies
that
we
that
I've
identified
in
their
lease
with
respect
to
both
prongs
of
the
test.
A
From
what
I
hear
of
the
city
council
and
let
them
make
their
best
argument
as
to
how
they
satisfy
the
test
and
and
what
changes
they're
willing
to
make
to
comport
with
the
requirements
of
the
Attorney
General.
And
then,
ultimately,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
decide
whether
you
want
to
grant
them
a
new
lease
based
on
new
terms
and
conditions.
And,
if
not,
you
can
at
that
point
in
time,
give
them
an
appropriate
period
of
time
to
wind
down
and
move
out.
A
Whenever
you're
ready
to
put
it
on
the
agenda,
it
needs
to
me
I
think
it
needs
to
be
an
agenda
item.
Public
has
the
opportunity
to
comment.
You
know
during
the
open
to
public
comment
period
and
what
have
you
so.
AD
AD
AE
I,
actually,
in
my
comments
last
meeting
asked
for
this
to
be
put
on,
as
most
people
know,
I'm
the
liaison
for
the
committee
that
does
the
events
around
the
tree
lighting
and
they've
had
a
lot
of
success
and
kind
of
the
history
has
always
been
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
because
the
tree
is
the
cities,
but
the
events
around
it
is.
Is
it
a
city
event?
AE
AE
For
the
crowd
that
comes
down
there
and
I,
don't
have
exact
numbers,
but
you
know
I
want
to
say
it
was
a
couple
thousand
dollars
that
basically
the
committee
would
raise
to
pay
for
that,
and
my
feeling
was
now
that
I'm
kind
of
more
involved
is
that,
regardless,
if
if
there
was
no
events
around
the
tree
lighting
just
lighting,
the
tree
itself
would
probably
have
a
city
have
to
still
close
those
streets
and
still
have
that
extra.
AE
AD
It
just
happens,
but
the
city,
because
of
the
crowd
that
comes
from
a
public
safety
perspective,
feels
the
need
to
support
with
street
closures,
police,
fire
and
sanitation.
So
I
think
this
one
is
in
that
same
category
and
as
Melissa
said,
if
we
there
were
no
events,
you'd
still
have
a
crowd.
If
you
had
a
tree,
they'd
be
there
and
I
really
do
think
it
would
help
the
event
as
well.
AD
AC
B
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
I
I
think
it
would
it
would.
It
would
clear
up
the
Blurred,
Lines
and
and
the
city
I
think
the
reason
why
the
city
has
never
officially
taken
it
on
as
a
sanctioned
event
is
because
of
liability
and
and
there's
Insurance.
That's
involved
that
the
committee
has
to
pay
for
it
correct.
So
that
was
really
always
the
issue.
I
think,
but
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
us.
AE
And
I
think
now
that
we
have
whether
it
be
myself
or
somebody
else
sits.
Next
year
we
have
somebody
that's
sitting
with
the
committee
to
kind
of
guide
and
make
sure
so
I
think
it.
It
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
clear.
The
fact
that
it
still
is
not
a
City
Event
necessarily,
but
it's
City
supported
the
committee
works
very
hard.
They
have
their
own
501c3,
they
have
their.
AE
You
know
they're
going
to
get
all
the
insurance
and
everything
to
take
that
liability
aspect
away,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
when
people
just
ask-
and
we
you
know
just
kind
of
say
we
don't
really
have
an
answer
for
that.
It's
City
supported
a
committee
goes
out
and
they
they
put
on
what
I
think
is
a
great
event.
So.
T
AE
Yeah
and
I
can
I'll
ask
we
already
have
a
diagram
of
where
everything's
going
to
be
sat.
It's
all
changing
from
last
year,
so
everything's
different
I'll,
see
if
I
can't
get
that
for
the
August
and
bring
that
in
to
show
you
and.
B
Let's
make
sure,
please
that
that
the
food
trucks
are
not
right
in
front
of
the
restaurant.
AE
That's
what
he
just
said:
they're
going
to
be
down:
Taylor
yeah,
that's
Taylor,
yeah,
Taylor
and
so
yeah.
That's
all
been
taken
care
of
great
okay.
B
U
L
Kristen
Samuel
again
from
Finance.
These
are
the
last
two
funds,
major
funds
that
we
need
to
talk
about
before
you
go
on
hiatus,
so
we
can
kind
of
get
them
into
our
budget
that
will
be
presented
for
August
15th.
L
So
we're
going
to
start
with
building
fun
again.
Revenues
are
coming
in
very
well
and
expenditures
are
being
covered.
You
do
see
now
ears.
We
are
still
using
some
fun
balance,
but
again
we're
very
conservative.
So
we're
not
concerned
about
that
at
the
moment.
We
would
continue
to
look
at
this
every
year
to
determine
if
anything
was
needed,
so
for
the
building
fund.
It
is
balanced,
no
change
in
fees.
L
On
the
Personnel
estimate,
side
is
all
the
same
that
you've
heard
previously,
so
it
won't
regurgitate
that
same
thing
on
the
operating
estimates
for
their
computer
overhead
they're
at
about
80
percent,
because
again,
with
the
extra
temporary
employees
and
the
new
positions
that
they've
had
they're
included,
they
had
a
little
higher
increase
for
the
computer
overhead
Administration
charges
are
estimated
at
three
percent
and
we'll
be
working
on
finalizing
those
numbers
after
today's
meetings,
same
property
insurance.
L
L
They
are
requesting
a
new
plotter
scanner
for
fifteen
thousand
for
in
an
automated
voice
response
system
for
inspection,
scheduling
and
I'm.
Sorry,
I
missed
putting
the
dollar
amount
there,
but
that's
20
000
for
that.
In
fiscal
year
25
and
27.
They
have
two
Replacements
of
vehicles,
one
in
each
of
those
years
and
again
we
would
Monitor
and
adjust
Staffing
if
activity
warrants,
whether
it's
increased
or
decreased.
We
would
monitor
that
in
decide
at
those
times.
L
Yep
so
again
we
show
this
graph
to
show
kind
of
what
happened
back
in
fiscal
year,
2006
we
had
to
building
activity
really
dropped
off,
and
but
we
still
had
to
maintain
services
for
the
people
that
do
need
to
have
building
we
reduced
from,
like
13
employees,
down
to
five
employees
who
were
taking
furloughs,
and
you
can
see
we
had
reserves
that
went
very
low
in
revenues
where
that
were
very
low
at
that
time.
So
again,
having
a
nice
Reserve
in
the
building
fund
will
help
us
in
the
future
for
any
type
of
activity.
B
A
couple
so
based
on
the
fact
that
all
the
residential
communities
in
the
city
are
very
close
to
being
fully
built
out.
Don't
we
anticipate
some
kind
of
a
major
drop
in
Revenue
going
forward
because
at
some
point
we're
not
going
to
have
any
more
building
in
the
current
city
limits.
L
Correct-
and
we
don't
know
what
year
that
would
be
right,
so
I
did
work
with
our
building
official
to
determine
for
this
Five-Year
Plan
what
she
thought
would
be,
so
she
did
have
a
little
bit
of
a
drop
off
in
the
last
three
years,
but
not
much
the
other
option
or
the
other
things
that
the
city
continues
to
work
on
is
annexation.
So
if
we
Annex
other
areas
that
don't
have
building
and
they
come
into
the
city,
they
will
need
Building
Services
as
well
right.
B
But
that's
assuming
we
get
annexations
which
are
voluntary
at
this
time.
Correct
also.
L
T
And
the
other
thing
is
that
we
do
have,
as
you
said,
a
lot
of
new
construction,
but
we
also
have
a
substantial
amount
that
comes
in
for
renovation
and
especially
after
the
hurricane,
of
course,
why
we
have
extra
people
on
right
now,
but
those
people
will
go
away
and
that
cost
will
also
go
away.
As
the
revenues
come
down,
our
expenses
go
down
some,
but
a
lot
of
what
we
then
have
is
reconstruction.
We
have
new
roofs
or
we
have
interior
redesigns
and
all
these
things
that
continue.
L
Again,
we
we
do
the
five-year
performance
to
kind
of
give
us
a
look.
We
know
it.
Obviously,
no
one
has
a
crystal
ball
of
exactly
when
things
will
change
or
when,
when
we'll
hit
those
marks,
so
we
do
try
to
look
at
this
every
single
year
we
work
with
especially
like
in
the
building
department,
with
a
building
official,
to
determine
what
she's
seeing
and
what
she
thinks
is
going
to
happen.
I.
L
L
So
we
go
onto
the
marina
fund
fiscal
year,
23
to
28.
and
again
we
have
some
we're
going
to
use
some
of
our
reserves
and
you'll
see
that
in
fiscal
year,
28
they're
still
low.
So
we're
going
to
talk
about
what's
really
needed
in
the
marina
fund.
This
pro
forma,
we
showed
fiscal
year
23
projected
because
we
wanted
to
show
that
due
to
Hurricane
e
and
we've
had
reduced
use
of
the
docks
that
were
in
disrepair,
so
we
had
less
Revenue
coming
in.
L
so
going
on.
We
project
proposed
fee
changes
for
when
you
can
see
what
our
current
rates
are
and
our
proposed
rates
we
did
provide
in
the
packet
some
area
rates,
so
those
are
basically
competitors.
We
did
try
to
stay
just
a
little
under
so
that
we
would
be
in
a
position
where
people
would
want
to
come
to
our
Marina.
L
T
We
need
some
improvements
and
what
we
told
them
we
wanted
to
see
and
that
they
are
doing
on
their
own
volition
is,
for
example,
we
provide
new
computers
instead
of
the
antique
ones,
because
we
want
things
electronically
now,
and
that
includes
websites
that
you
can
actually
book
your
slip
online.
You
can
pay
for
it
online.
T
We
have
a
capital
plan
that
says
here's
everything
from
pedestals
to
docks
that
need
replaced,
so
we
can
put
a
capital
plan
in
we
have
mangroves
that
need
trimmed.
Instead
of
waiting
for
the
contractor
that
comes
around
periodically
they're
getting
their
own
person
certified,
we
can
do
some
windowing,
some
very
nice
things
with
mangroves,
make
sure
they're
cut
to
appropriately.
So
you
can
see
the
boat
ramp
from
the
dock
Masters
office
like
you're
supposed
to,
for
you
know,
safety
purposes,
maintenance
of
the
boot
ramp
instead
of
someone
coming
in.
T
If
it's
high
dive,
they
get
the
top
end
of
it
and
leave
they'll,
maintain
that
with
their
own
Personnel,
all
the
upgrades
that
are
needed.
So
when
you
pull
in
that
Marina,
it
looks
like
a
well-maintained
Municipal
Marina,
not
a
crappy
little
Marina
to
the
city
ends,
so
excuse
my
language,
that's
what
we're
going
for
with
that.
T
AG
In
my
experience,
those
rates
are
extraordinarily
affordable,
I
mean
twice.
That
would
not
be
unreasonable
and
I've
seen
three
times
that
you
know
in
other
areas,
so
I
think
250
is
a
steal
and
my
biggest
concern
is
when
you
look
at
the
at
the
reserves
going
out,
we're
gonna
for
sure.
Gonna
have
to
raise
again
because
your
reserves
go
essentially
zero.
So
the
sooner
you
do
that,
the
sooner
you
build
them.
So
you
know,
don't
don't
don't
don't
don't
sell
ourselves
too
short.
I
mean
250
is
a
great
deal
right.
L
B
T
T
B
Just
wonder,
if
is
there
a
requirement
for
us
to
give
them
a
certain
number
of
days
notice
that
we're
increasing
fees
because
I'd
like
to
see
it
done
sooner
than
later,
because
I
mean
we're
eating
away
at
whatever
reserves?
We
do
have
right
now
and
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
have
to
be
repaired
from
the
hurricane
yeah
I.
B
AD
A
B
A
So,
with
the
exception
of
the
the
annual
and
maybe
semi-annual
releases
the
weekend,
we
can
probably
change
the
rates
without
much
delay
for
the
transient,
weekly
and
monthly.
You
know
and
do
that
and
and
then
with
respect
to
the
semi-annual
and
annual,
clearly
just
imposed
the
new
fee
when
they're
when
their
term
runs
and
okay,
and
so
it
shouldn't
take
long
to
implement
that.
Okay.
AH
AK
Oh
this
one
should
this
one
will
be
quicker
than
last
time,
so
Brittany
Metzler
Urban
Design.
Today
we
are
going
to
begin
where
we
left
off.
During
our
last
discussion.
I
will
be
presenting
to
you
four
more
elements:
public
school
facilities,
intergovernmental
coordination,
Capital,
Improvements
and
property
rights.
AK
Their
minor
amendments
were
made
to
these
elements
as
little
was
changed
legislatively
our
local
government
policy
wise.
Some
additions
were
made
to
tie
the
elements
more
closely
together
with
the
city's
strategic
plan
priorities
and
Statewide
resiliency
planning
the
public
school
facilities
element
defines
the
coordination
mechanisms
between
the
city,
county
and
school
board
that
ensure
adequate
school
facilities
are
available
to
students.
Since
the
first
draft
was
posted
to
the
city's
website,
additional
Amendments
have
been
made.
AK
The
private
and
Charter
School
inventory
has
been
updated
with
data
from
the
Florida
Department
of
Education,
as
advised
by
the
Planning
Commission.
This
information
was
needed
to
give
a
thorough
description
of
the
options
available
to
Punta
Gorda
students
and
initiate
an
effort
to
track
the
effects
of
alternative
educational
facilities
on
the
Public
School
District.
AK
Unlike
the
other
elements
I'm
presenting
today,
sufficient
updates
were
made
to
the
intergovernmental
coordination
elements.
Inventory
of
programs
and
agencies
connections
were
made
between
intergovernmental
coordination
and
the
Strategic
plan.
Priority
Partnerships
and
collaboration
working
in
concert
with
other
government
agencies
can
help
Punta
gorda's
Financial
stability,
improve
our
Environmental
Quality
and
overall
enhance
our
quality
of
life,
especially
when
this
coordination
is
for
the
purposes
of
Emergency
Management.
AK
Therefore,
language
was
added
that
supports
the
objectives
of
the
climate
adaptation
plan,
the
swim
plan
and
the
Florida
Division
of
Emergency
Management,
many
of
Punta
gorda's
programs
would
not
exist
were
it
not
for
the
coordination
of
governmental
agencies.
This
is
most
often
the
case
with
environmental
and
conservation
programs
that
are
costly
and
required
technical
expertise.
AK
Funding
for
City
projects
comes
from
Collective
Partnerships,
with
the
chinep
The
Nature
Conservancy,
the
Florida
Department
of
Environmental,
Protection
and
others.
Together.
These
organizations
are
responsible
for
the
creation
of
a
pilot
living
Shoreline
project
in
Oyster
Reef
restoration
along
the
Eastern
portion
of
tribute
Park.
The
intergovernmental
coordination
element
was
also
brought
into
alignment
with
Federal
initiatives
outlined
in
the
infrastructure.
Investment
jobs
act
also
known
as
public
law.
11758
or
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law,
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
provides
hundreds
of
billions
of
dollars
in
funding
for
new
infrastructure,
resilience,
projects
and
Broadband.
AK
AK
The
purpose
of
the
property
rights
element
is
to
identify
specific
property
rights
and
state
that
the
local
government
will
respect
them.
It
identifies
the
rights
of
people
to
participate
in
decisions
that
affect
their
lives
and
property.
It
provides
standards
for
local
government
decisions
to
be
transparent
and
it
provides
standards
for
government
decision
making
to
be
reliable
and
predictable
to
promote
sound
long-term
investments
in
a
community
land
values
reflect
how
desirable
a
community
is
in
many
ways.
Regulating
land
use
and
protecting
property
rights
are
not
conflicting
goals.
AK
Rather,
local
government
rules
generally
create
value
in
property
and
bring
stability
to
real
estate
markets.
Transparency,
predictability
and
reliability
are
three
strategies
for
implementing
land
use
rules
in
a
way
that
benefits
people
and
respects
the
rights
of
landowners.
All
of
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
contained
in
the
property
rights
element
are
mandated
by
Florida
Statutes
that
were
adopted
in
2021.
It
is
the
new
list
of
all
the
elements
and
was
written
in
as
an
off-cycle
comprehensive
plan.
AK
So
the
proposed
major
changes
of
the
public
school
facilities
and
intergovernmental
coordination
elements
and
the
adoption
of
the
new
property
rights
element
support
the
city's
strategic
plan,
priorities
of
financial,
economic
sustainability,
quality
of
life
and
Partnerships
communication
and
collaboration,
financial
and
economic
sustainability
in
Southwest
Florida
is
determined
by
a
community's
ability
to
weather
a
storm
structurally.
This
begins
with
policies
that
support
emergency
preparedness
and
resilient
building
techniques.
Ample
grant
funding
is
currently
available
for
these
initiatives.
Partnerships,
communication
and
collaboration
focuses
on
promoting
communication,
Partnerships
and
transparency
with
all
stakeholders.
AK
It
is
the
embodiment
of
how
the
city
delivers
services
to
the
community
that
would
otherwise
be
out
of
our
reach.
The
intergovernmental
coordination
element
is
an
appropriate
vehicle
to
introduce
the
kinds
of
relationships
we
value.
It
can
Define
how
we
will
balance
our
desire
to
become
a
voter's
destination,
with
the
need
to
preserve
our
water
quality,
how
we
can
coordinate
our
Economic
Development
initiatives
and
live
sustainably.
AK
The
property
rights
element
furthers
the
aim
of
governmental
transparency
and
ties
it
into
quality
of
life
and
stable
property
values.
Quality
life
indicators
that
pertain
to
the
four
elements
presented
today
include
the
availability
of
health
and
wellness
activities,
quality,
school
systems,
accessibility
through
Transportation
options
and
Community
safety,
providing
Emergency
Services
during
and
after
a
disaster
event
through
intergovernmental
programs
is
key
to
our
safety.
Other
governments
help
provide
Health,
Services
infrastructure
projects
and
environmental
programs
that
Punta
Gorda
cannot
afford
on
its
own.
AK
AK
They
also
have
many
questions
about
the
public
school
facilities
element,
namely
how
large
new
developments
affect
the
availability
of
student
stations,
but
they
made
no
recommendations.
Planning
Commission
noted
that
the
Bert
Harris
Act
was
missing
from
the
list
of
relevant
legislation
in
the
property
rights
element
which
prompted
the
addition
of
other
relevant
regulations.
AK
AK
Questions
regarding
these
four
okay
so
next
time,
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
housing,
Recreation
and
open
spaces
and
transportation.
Two
of
these
were
reviewed
and
amended
by
the
consultant,
Dover
Cole
and
partners,
and
we've
recently
republished
them
on
the
city's
website.
So
do
you
guys
have
the
copy
with
the
colorful
front
cover?
Okay,
that's
the
newest
one,
so
you
should
be
good.
B
A
We
have
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title:
only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
adopting
a
tentative
Levy
of
annual
special
assessment
for
the
Burnt
Store
Isles
Canal
maintenance
assessment
district
for
fiscal
year,
2023
2024,
saying
a
date
time
and
place
of
public
hearing
to
consider
final
adoption
of
the
assessment
and
providing
an
effective
date.
And
this
is
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
sitting
as
the
burnt
store
hours,
Canal
maintenance
assessment,
District.
L
Chris
and
Simeone
Finance
director,
so
this
resolution
is
based
on
our
last
meeting
and
setting
the
tentative
annual
assessment
rate
for
the
BSI
Canal
maintenance
assessment
District
at
985
dollars
per
single
family
residence,
which
represents
an
increase
of
125
dollars
from
the
fiscal
year
22
to
23.
for
all
other
properties.
The
assessment
is
10
and
3
10
cents
per
square
foot
of
land
lying
less
than
120
lineal
feet
from
the
sea
wall.
B
J
Yes,
thank
you
all.
AE
Right
motion
to
approve
this
resolution
resolution
authorizes
a
property
appraiser
to
send
out
notices
to
the
property
owners,
reflecting
the
tentative
special
assessment
to
notify
property
owners
of
the
date
time
and
place
of
the
public
hearing
to
set
the
final
special
assessment.
The
tentative
annual
assessment
for
the
BSI
cmad
is
985
dollars
per
single
family
resident,
which
represents
an
increase
of
125
from
fiscal
year
2020
to
2023
for
all
other
properties.
The
assessment
is
0.103
per
square
foot
of
landline,
less
than
120
lineal
feet
from
the
sea
wall.
AC
B
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
tentative
assessment
for
the
Burnt
Store
Isles
Canal
maintenance
assessment
district
for
the
2024
fiscal
year
at
985
dollars
per
single
family
residence
and
which
represents
an
increase
of
125
dollars
from
fiscal
year,
2022
to
2023
for
all
other
properties.
The
assessment
is
0.103
cents
per
square
foot
of
land
lying
less
than
120
lineal
feet
from
the
sea
wall.
B
The
public
hearing
to
adopt
the
special
assessment
will
be
held
on
September
6
2023
at
501
pm
here
in
this
room,
and
that
will
be
the
first
of
two
public
hearings
and
those
are
the
the
hearings
that
will
actually
that's
only.
There
is
only
one
hearing
on
that.
One
right,
correct.
B
U
AC
L
AL
Let's
see
so
I
sent
out
a
sheet
that
the
city
manager
we
had
met
on
and
basically
it
kind
of
ran
down
what
the
impact
of
hurricane
Ian
was
on
the
Seawall
system
and
our
efforts
to
hit
our
2040
plan,
which,
based
on
our
Taylor
engineering
study,
was
get
all
the
existing
sea
wall
that
was
going
to
term
outer
age
out
in
the
design
Life
by
a
2040,
and
so
we've
put
together
some
some
numbers
on
that.
AL
The
Taylor
engineering
study
said
that
we
needed
to
basically,
they
use
8
000
feet
per
year
that
we
would
need
to
hit,
and
this
is
an
aggregation
of
both
PGI
and
BSI,
to
to
get
that
out
of
our
system
by
that
time
or.
S
AL
Was
our
pre-2022-20
numbers
or
they
gave
us
two
approaches?
A
linear
approach,
which
said
start
right
now
and
you
just
do
a
direct
linear
number,
which
was
17
500
feet
per
year
every
year
until
the
2039,
which
would
get
all
of
it
out
of
the
system
by
then,
and
then
they
gave
us
a
stepped
approach,
which
was
a
little
more
I
guess
palatable
at
that
time,
which
kind
of
started
out
at
12
500
and
then
ramped
up
to
the
22
500
at
the
10-year
Mark.
So
that
showed
us
our.
AL
You
know
that
drastic
increase
in
what
the
funding
would
need
to
be
to
get
there.
So
we
put
together
the
the
chart
that
you
see
before
you,
which
basically
the
red
line
at
the
top,
is
our
current
plan.
So
if
we
kind
of
hold
stable
and
now
this
is
just
relating
to
the
PGI
District,
so
we've
ran
those
numbers
out
just
as
PGI.
AL
If
we
replace,
based
on
our
current
trajectory
of
what
we
normally
replace
per
year,
we're
still
going
to
have
about
150,
000
linear
feet
of
sea
wall.
That
would
still
need
to
be
pulled
out
of
the
system.
It
was
going
to
reach
its
design
life
and,
and
so
basically
it
shows
us
that
we
need
to
kind
of
you
know
ramp,
that
up
I
did
it
as
well
with
Ian
and
that's
the
blue
line
below
where
you
can
see.
AL
We-
and
this
is
obviously
the
sea
wall
remaining
in
the
system,
so
we're
our
end
goal
is
to
hit
the
bottom
of
the
chart
by
the
time
we
hit
the
right
hand
side,
so
you
can
see
with
Ian.
It
starts
out
following
the
same
trajectory
from
2020
to
and
2023
and
we've
got
that
drop.
It
doesn't
do
a
whole
lot
for
us
per
se.
Once
we
do
that
drop
it.
AL
It
sets
us
back
on
the
same
trajectory
where
we're
going
to
end
up
with
about
120
530
000
feet
of
Seawall
remaining
and
basically
per
year,
we're
doing
about
the
you
know,
just
around
the
six
seven
thousand
feet
per
year.
Mark
So.
If
we
get
to
that
point,
we
could
start
seeing
like
what
we
had
in
the
Northeast.
We've
replaced
a
lot
of
Seawall
in
the
Northeast
zones.
Some
of
our
oldest
walls
are
up
there
from
the
1960s.
AL
You
know
start
in
6
65
we're
seeing
those
age
out
sooner
obviously
than
the
stuff
down
in
the
southern
districts,
which
are
the
Southeast
and
Southwest
where
we're
seeing
1978
wall
we've
got
a
lot
more
of
the
original
wall
left
in
78
from
that
78
time
period,
Burnt
Store
is
looking
even
better
because
it's
in
1980,
Sea
walls
less,
has
been
replaced
there.
So,
in
essence,
what
we've
also
done
is
looked
at.
AL
Before
we
end
up
with
a
you
know:
Mass
failure,
events
as
we
as
we
leave
this
old
infrastructure
in
place,
then,
instead
of
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
we're
kind
of
being
proactive
about
it,
get
the
stuff
out
of
the
system.
We
don't
replace
it
just
to
replace
it.
It's
only
done
during
our
Seawall
assessments.
We
choose
those
bad
segments
and
we
work
those
out
of
the
system
and
that
it's
kind
of
as
we
system
ages
we're
going
to
have
more
and
more
of
those.
AG
L
L
Okay.
So
the
reason
why,
for
the
three
different
scenarios
you
can
still
get
to
the
very
end
at
the
same
is
just
depending
on
how
many
years
of
increase
you
want
to
see
so
in
you
can
start
sooner,
which
you're
suggesting
the
300
increase.
That
would
bring
us
to
approximately.
L
Let's
see,
I've
got
the
number
right
here.
Thirteen
thousand
sixty
linear
feet
per
year.
That's
still
shy,
so
we
would
still
need
a
little
bit
more
because
when
we
did
the
calculation
it
needed
another
1860
to
be
at
the
14919
from
now
till
2039.
So
if
you
wanted
to
start
now
and
have
an
exact
same
amount
per
year,
you
would
need
to
have
an
assessment
rate.
Approximately
a
500
increase.
L
Okay,
that's
just
to
say:
if
you
wanted
to
do
the
exact
amount,
you
could
still
start
with
the
300
and
step
it
up
the
150
over
the
next
year,
possibly
two
years
to
get
to
that
number,
and
we
just
and
so
the
same
thing
with
those
options
where
we
have
the
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
per
year.
L
It
takes
us
almost
until
2028
to
get
to
that
number
the
14919,
but
now
we
need
a
little
bit
more
right,
so
we
would
need
like
approximately
fifteen
thousand
five
hundred
per
year
in
that
year
and
then
keep
going
to
2039.
So
it's
just
it's
just
that
you're
getting
to
that
higher
number
in
a
longer
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
But
that
means
you
need
to
have
a
higher
amount.
When
you
get
to
the
end.
AG
L
L
One
would
mean
that
we
would
need
to
get
to
seven
fifteen
thousand
and
basically
fifteen
thousand
seven
hundred
and
forty
lineal
feet
by
2028.
so
and
then
option
two.
L
Well
and
again
it's
the
sorry
I
must
have
already
moved
forward
one.
L
So
you
see
it's
at
it'd,
be
at
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
fifty
dollars,
but
just
because
you
get
to
that
lineal
feet
will
not
mean
you
will
not
need
assessment
rate
increases
because
again
the
costs
of
doing
that
same
amount
every
year
is
going
to
continue
to
go
up.
Okay,
okay,.
L
AG
L
Scenario:
okay,
so
the
next
scenario
is
the
950
300
right.
So
if
we
were
to
start
now,
we
would
actually
make
this
500
and
it
would
be
so
that'd
be
one
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
we
would
need-
and
we
would
be
at
14
919.
L
And
in
the
last
scenario
is
very
similar
to
the
first:
it's
just
because
remember.
We
can't
replace
that
first,
even
if
we
start
at
that
150
this
year
in
fiscal
year
24
we
can't
replace
it
yet.
So
it
just
gets
moved
that
one
extra
amount
can
be
used
in
the
next
year.
So
we
would
bump
up
the
25
program
a
little
bit,
but
then
you're
still
basically
at
the
same
amount,
so
that
one
would
be
will
get
you
to
the
same
number,
eventually
at
fifteen
thousand
in
40..
L
Oh
and
the
dollar
amount
is,
it
gets
you
it's
like
1,
000,
so
again,
because
you're
pushing
it
out
an
extra
year,
but
you
have
more
reserves.
So
this
one
just
shows
more
Reserves.
At
the
end,
we
have
one
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars.
T
D
AG
You
do
right,
so
those
are
those
are
the
choices,
I
mean
do
we
do
we
take
the
pain
now
or
do
we
take
the
pain
later
I
mean
that's
really
what
we
want
to
do,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
take
pain
in
order
to
get
to
where
people
aren't
having
walls
fall
and
sitting
there
watching
their
yards
collapse
into
the
canal
for
two
years,
not
that
that
couldn't
happen
anyway,
but
it's
for
sure
gonna
happen.
If
we
don't
do
something
correct.
L
B
AG
Well,
in
a
way
because
hurricane
Ian
is
actually
a
little
bit
of
a
blessing
in
disguise
because
it
yes
we're
using
the
money,
but
we're
going
to
get
some
of
that
back
and
and
it's
ramped
us
up
to
a
higher
level
than
we
would
have
been
for
two
years.
So
we
kind
of
have
a
reprieve
for
two
years
to
get
our
act
together
as
far
as
actually
repairing
the
wall,
but
starting
to
build
the
reserves
up
now
or
later
is
really
the
question.
B
Okay,
so
here's
what
I
calculated
I
I
was
looking
at
this
from
all
different
angles.
When
I,
when
I
was
reading
this
document
that
Gary
disher
supplied
with
us
at
the
present
rate,
the
post-2022
replacement
rate
of
9050
feet
per
per
year
times
17
years
between
now
and
2040.,
that
comes
out
too
153
850
lineal
feet,
plus
you
add
the
36
000
feet
from
Ian
failures,
and
that
brings
you
to
189
850
lineal
feet,
so
we're
still
a
hundred
thousand
plus
in
in
arrears
for
what
we
really
need
to
do
between
now
and
2040..
B
AL
Yeah
I
mean
just
I,
didn't
see
the
numbers
that
you
ran
there
right
in
front
of
me.
Well,
basically
we're
trying
to
get
350
676
feet
of
Seawall
out
of
the
system
total
total
at
that
time,
which
is
not
the
entire
Seawall
system,
because
obviously,
we've
had
other
Replacements
that
we
took
into
consideration.
AD
AL
So
then,
the
PGI
portion
of
that
is
the
272
888
feet,
okay,
and
of
that
that's
only
56.8
percent
of
the
total
Seawall
system.
So
in
essence
we're
replacing
you
know
you
figured
the
seawalls
program
started
in
what
the
80s,
or
so
when
we
started
replacing
the
original
65
wall.
So
in
that
time
from
then
until
now,
40
years
and
we've
only
replaced
44
so
now,
all
of
a
sudden
on
the
back
half
of
it,
because
we
didn't
really
do
a
whole
lot
up
front.
AL
We've
got
to
do
the
balance
of
that.
You
know
the
56.8
percent
is
now
squeezing
down
to
the
end,
as
as
this
infrastructure
ages
out.
AE
I
will
say
that
last
year,
when
we
sat
down-
and
we
said
okay
300
this
year-
300
next
year
and
I-
knew
that
we
needed
even
more
than
that.
AE
At
that
point,
I'll
go
on
the
record
and
say
I
would
say
that
next
year
we're
going
to
have
to
do
something,
and
we
have
to
do
something
this
year
anyway,
but
I
just
I
I'm
at
odds
with
having
people
come
out
of
pocket
waiting
for
insurance
companies
and
then
we're
also
going
to
hit
them
with
this.
So
I,
don't
know
what
to
say
at
that
point
is.
B
Well,
yeah:
last
year
we
we
talked
about
all
kinds
of
different
options
last
year
and
we
said
that
we
were
only
going
to
go
to
300
increase
for
this
year
and
that
we
would
address
it
each
year
after
that-
and
we
looked
at
possibly
150
per
year
and
I
can
live
with
that,
but
throwing
300
or
more
right
now,
I
think
people
are
just
devastated
financially
right.
Now,
I.
AC
AG
I'm
not
advocating
for
300
what
I'm
advocating
for
is
complete
transparency.
So
people
understand
last
year
to
get
to
what
we
needed
to
do
by
2040
we
needed
to
do
six
hundred
dollars.
We
chose
not
to
do
that.
If
we
do
nothing
this
year,
it's
going
to
be
the
ultimate
that's.
Why
I
wanted
to
know
what
the
ultimate
number
is?
AG
AG
I
could
sit
here
and
say
zero
personally,
but
that's
not
the
fiduciary
thing
to
do
I
mean
we
need
to
look
at
this
in
a
bigger
picture,
so
we
just
need
to
go
into
this
with
eyes
wide
open
and
everybody
understands
that.
There's
an
end
game
here.
That's
going
to
be
impacted
by
what
we
do
today.
I
am
fine
I'm
not
advocating
for
300
I'm,
not
even
advocating
for
150.
I'd,
be
fine
with
985.
AG
L
AE
I
will
say:
I
think
what
has
been
really
good
about
this
I
know.
Last
year
we
had
some
meetings
with
you
know
PGI
and
BSI,
but
not
everybody
can
attend.
I
think
what
has
been
really
good
with
this
presentation
is
that
this
is
now
people
go.
Look
at
the
YouTube,
go
look
at
this
and
look
and
see
the
numbers,
so
I
think
this
has
been
a
great
education
and
people
said
well.
I
could
make
that
meeting.
I
didn't
really
know.
This
is
where
we're
at
and
so
I
think.
B
I,
don't
think
we
shouldn't
increase
some,
because
I
think
we
have
to
we
have
to,
but
I
think
we
have
to
step
it
up.
I
think
we
have
to
be
a
little
more
gradual,
I
think
people
are
going
to
go
absolutely
crazy
if
we,
if
we
throw
a
massive
number
at
them
right
now,
there's
just
a
lot
of
people
that
are
really
financially
hurting
right
now
and
I
I
have
to
in
my
heart,
I
can't
in
good
conscience,
throw
a
big
number
at
them
right
now.
L
AG
L
So
we
didn't
for
for
financial
purposes.
We
just
let
it
go
to
the
finding
the
reserves,
because
there
was
discussion
that
the
reserves
were
a
little
low
at
the
end
of
the
of
the
item,
so
that
35
dollars
only
really
helped
with
the
reserves.
I.
AG
AA
U
AG
B
L
That's
the
one
on
the
screen
right
now:
gotcha!
Okay,
thank
you.
AD
I
would
just
say
is
the
only
person
here
who
probably
doesn't
have
any
sea
walls.
Okay,
you
don't
need
I,
think
it
has
to
be
something
I.
Think
if
you
look
at
the
situation
and
we're
still
doing
Irma,
we
have
to
do
Ian
and
it's
inevitable
that
sea
wells
will
continue
to
fail.
I
think
it
has
to
be
at
least
150,
but
I
think
there
has
to
be
understanding
that
minimal.
AG
So
yeah
I
could
agree
to
150,
but
what
I
would
like
to
see
in
the
final
presentation
when
we
proved
this
in
September?
What
I
want
to
see
is
we're
going
to
do
150
and
then
what
is
the
projected
ending
number
to
get
to
complete
sea
wall
replacement
by
2040.
I
want
people
to
know
that
and
I
want
them
to
know
that
this
isn't
we're
doing
150.,
that's
really
not
enough
and
we're
going
to
need
to
do
more.
They
people
need
to
be
prepared
for
that,
so
we're
not
springing
it
on
them.
T
L
So
the
one
with
this,
this
one
will
get
us
a
little
bit
less
because
you'll
get
there
a
little
bit
quicker
because
you
get
the
extra
year
of
the
150
and
then
the
other
one
would
have
been
yep.
B
AG
First,
paragraph:
okay,
the
motion
is
to
tentatively
Levy
a
special
assessment,
the
fiscal
year,
ending
September
30th
2024
and
the
amount
of
900.
No,
that's
not
right.
This.
G
AG
AG
So
the
motion
is:
there's
a
tentatively
Levy,
a
special
assessment
for
the
fiscal
year,
ending
September
30th
2024
in
the
amount
of
eleven
hundred
dollars
on
each
subdivided
lot
zone
for
single
family
residents
who
are
zoned
for
multi-family,
with
single-family
residences
prorated
in
the
case
of
ownership
of
partial
Lots,
according
to
the
proportion
of
the
original
subdivided
lot
area
held
and
for
all
property
zoned.
Otherwise,
is
this
number
right?
0.115?
Yes,
okay
or
more
than
five
cents.
AG
For
each
square,
foot
of
land
lying
less
than
120
lineal
feet
from
the
dedicated
Canal
or
Waterway,
or
from
sea
walls,
or
bulkheads
a
budding
Charlotte
Harbor
for
the
property
zoned
for
other
than
single
family
residences,
excluding
zone
for
multi-family
with
single-family
residences
and
the
public
hearing.
Oh
and
the
public
hearing
public
hearing
will
be
held
for
the
final
adoption.
The
special
assessment
on
September
6
2023
at
501
PM
in
this
room.
B
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
as
stated
by
council
member
koharski,
since
I.
Don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
it
and
the
tentative
assessment
for
the
Punta
Gorda
Isles
Canal
maintenance
district
for
fiscal
year
2024
will
be
eleven
hundred
dollars
per
year
per
property
and
the
public
budget
hearing
to
consider
the
final
adoption
of
the
special
assessment
will
be
held
on
September
6
2023
at
501
PM
in
this
room.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying.
AC
B
A
And
this
is
a
resolution
that
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
adopting
a
tentative
Levy
of
annual
special
assessment
for
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
lot
mowing:
assessment
district
for
fiscal
year,
2023-2024
setting
the
date
time
and
place
of
public
hearing
to
consider
final
adoption
of
the
assessment
and
providing
an
effective
date.
L
B
Sniper,
okay.
So
once
again
we
discussed
this
at
our
meeting
last
week
and
the
discussion
was
to
present
an
increase
of
forty
dollars
for
next
year
up
to
275
dollars
per
property
for
for
the
bacon
parcels.
B
So
we
need
a
motion
please,
and
once
again
we
have
to
State
the
motion
from
the
summary
on
the
summary
page.
Please
you
have
a
summary
everybody.
AJ
AE
Make
a
motion:
the
proposed
resolution
sets
of
tentative
Levy
of
the
mandatory
lot
mowing
program
assessment
at
275
dollars
and
authorizes
the
property
appraiser
to
include
within
the
trim
a
truth
and
millage
act
notice.
The
tentative
special
assessment
rate
and
public
hearing
notice
for
the
final
special
assessment.
This
tenant
of
assessment
represents
an
increase
of
40
over
the
previous
year.
A
public
hearing
to
consider
final
adoption
of
the
special
assessment
will
be
held:
September
6
2023
at
501
pm
at
the
military,
Heritage
Museum
900
West,
Marine,
Avenue,
Punta,
Gorda
Florida.
Second,.
B
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
set
the
tentative
Levy
for
the
mandatory
lot
Mooring
program
assessment
at
275
dollars
for
account
for
fiscal
year
2024
and
the
public
hearing
for
this
will
be
held
on
September
6
2023
at
501
PM
in
this
room.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
B
T
A
As
you
know,
last
week,
I
was
attending
the
league
of
cities,
Florida
Municipal
attorneys
conference,
and
we
were
handed
a
84-page
summary
of
of
bills
that
were
adopted
that
affect
local
governments
and,
as
I'm
sure
you
are
aware.
Very
few
of
any
of
those
bills
were
designed
to
make
our
lives
easier
and,
to
the
extent
that
I
can
kind
of
give
you
a
a
synopsis
of
what
bills
that
you
should
be
paying
attention
to.
I
will
in
the
in
the
near
future.
A
I
also
was
paying
attention
pursuant
to
council
member
kowarsky's
request
to
any
changes
in
the
status
of
the
law,
as
it
relates
to
short-term
rentals,
and
there
were
two
bills
that
were
considered
one
on
the
house
side
and
one
on
the
Senate
side.
That
made
it
very
much
to
the
end
of
the
session,
but
did
not
pass
so
and
as
I
understand.
That
would
not
have
made
our
lives
any
easier
either.
A
When,
when
the
2014
bill
was
adopted,
there
was
discussion
by
the
city
council
as
to
okay.
What
does
that
do
in
terms
of
regulations
that
are
permissible
for
the
city
council
to
adopt
within
the
framework
of
the
preemptions,
and
it
was
discussed
at
that
time
that
you
know?
One
of
the
things
that
the
city
council
might
want
to
consider
is
some
form
of
registration
ordinance.
We
had.
A
We
have
something
or
had
something
on
the
books
when
there
was
a
lot
of
foreclosures
being
done
and
and
houses,
there
were
distressed
houses
that
were
propping
up
by
people
that
were
simply
abandoning
them
because
of
the
the
financial
situation
regarding
their
financing,
and
that
ordinance
was
intended
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
point
of
contact
with
with
the
bank
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
they
continue
to
maintain
the
properties.
A
I
know
that
that's
still
a
possibility,
and
was
the
thought
of
at
the
time
for
the
city,
to
consider
it
an
ordinance
where,
in
addition
to
the
local
business
tax
receipt
that
they're
required
to
obtain,
if
they're
going
to
be
renting
their
house
for
short-term
rental,
that
gives
us
the
name
of
the
owner
for
contact
purposes
to
have
a
a
separate
registration
so
that,
if
the,
if
the
house
is
being
managed
by
a
company
that
would
give
us
an
additional
opportunity
to
have
a
contact
to
make
sure
the
house
was
not
in
violation
of
our
codes.
A
I
will
say
at
the
time
that
was
that
was
considered
by
the
city.
Council.
I
I
indicated
that
many
of
the
ills
that
are
perceived
and
and
and
seen
as
a
result
of
short-term
rentals
are
governed
by
existing
regulations
that
we
have
and,
and
we
have
the
ability
to
enforce
those
with
respect
to
those
properties
that
are
in
violation.
A
AG
So
I
would
request
that
you
do
exactly
that
David,
so
there
have
been
I'm
aware
of
and
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
I
know
that
there
have
been
at
least
three
municipalities
that
have
passed
ordinances,
similar
to
what
you
said
we
might
be
able
to
do.
Some
of
them
went
a
little
bit
further.
Maybe,
and
one
of
them
has
been
actually
challenged
in
court
and
it
has
been
upheld
with
the
majority
of
it.
AG
There
was
a
piece
of
it
that
was
I,
think
the
the
penalty
amount
or
something
like
that
might
have
been
challenged
and
struck
down,
but
the
majority
of
these
have
been
upheld
and
I
think
we
should
do
everything
that
we
can
as
a
council
as
a
city.
We
can't
ban
them.
Where
there's
not
a
lot,
we
can
do
to
regulate
them,
but
I
think
we
need
to
do
everything
that
we
can
for
our
citizens
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
living
next
to
a
hotel.
AG
You
know
it's
most
of
them
are
fine
most,
they
pay
taxes,
I
mean
they're
a
good
thing,
but
if
you
live
next
to
a
bad
one,
there's
not
a
lot.
You
could
do
about
it
and
I
hear
all
the
time
people
that
are
living
next
to
bad
ones
and
they're
frustrated,
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
do
everything
and
anything
we
can
not
not
to
get
rid
of
them.
They're
good
they're
businesses
I
like
business,
but
we
need
to.
We
need
to
do
what
we
can.
G
AC
I've
worked
in
this
Arena
a
long
time
and
if
you
want
to
get
that
really
resolved,
the
best
thing
to
do
is
draft
our
home
legislation
and
get
it
to
pass
the
Dome
and
Mike
Grant
and
let
them
put
it
through
the
house
in
the
Senate
because
and
it's
just
a
change
of
the
bill
a
lot
of
times.
If
you
do
that
early,
you
can
get
it
through
and
that's
what
I
think
we
ought
to
go
down
that
path
and
I'd
be
glad
to
help.
G
AG
Hold
on
a
second:
if
I
can
what
I'm
asking
for
there
there
have
been
I
and
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
on
a
long-term,
much
broader
basis,
but
there
have
been
and
I'll
I'll
dig
it
out
if
I
have
to,
but
yeah
I've
already
emailed
it
to
you.
There
are
three
municipalities
that
have
passed
regulations
under
the
new
law
that
have
been
upheld
challenge.
One
of
them
has
been
challenging
and
the
majority
of
it
was
upheld.
AG
So
these
aren't
things
that
we
just
necessarily
have
to
say
good
luck
and
turn
it
over
to
the
city.
These
are
things
that
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
can
do
in
addition
to
our
ordinances
and
our
regulations.
But
these
are
things
that
we
can
do
to
specifically
address
short-term
rentals
and
and
they
are
allowed
and
we
can
do
them
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
for
I'm,
not
looking
for
something
to
go
to
Tallahassee
and
to
then
maybe
something
it'll
get
done,
and
maybe
something
won't
in
my
lifetime.
B
AC
B
Information
for
today's
meeting,
okay,
okay,
the
only
thing
I
have
once
again,
we
we
are
going
to
be
on
break
from
the
end
of
this
meeting
until
August
23rd
council
members
are
still
accessible
by
email
or
phone.
If
you
wish
to
contact
us,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
Southwest
Florida
League
of
cities
has
a
lunch
meeting
on
July
20th
in
Fort
Myers.
If
anybody
is
interested
in
attending,
please
let
me
know
and
I
can
make
a
reservation
for
us
and
that's
all
I
get.
J
B
Of
town,
okay,
all
right
council
member
comments,
Mr
dryburg,
anything.
AC
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
Greg
brought
up
about
the
water
meters
I've
got
received
a
number
of
phone
calls
on
that
from
my
constituents
where
they're
they
get
build
zero
and
then
the
next
cycle
they
get
built
a
whole
lot.
So
hopefully
we
get
that
taken
care
of
and
the
other
thing
I've
got
like
I'd
like
to
have
Chief
Gibbs
come
down
to
the
podium
for
just
a
minute.
Please
Chief
Gibbs,
oh.
AC
Lot
of
Indiana's
don't
know
that,
but
my
wife
and
I
were
trapped
in
an
elevator
for
some
time
and
when
I
can
tell
you,
when
the
elevator
doesn't
have
any
air
conditioning
in
it,
it's
not
a
comfortable
feeling
and
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
your
crew
came
in
and
did
a
very
professional
job
and
rescued
us
from
that
elevator
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
little
gift,
I'm
going
to
come
over
to
your
station
and
cook
dinner
for
them.
But
this
this
is
a
firefighter
shirt.
AC
AC
P
AE
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
couple
comments
and
I
have
learned
in
my
47
years
that,
if
I'm
passionate
about
something
better
to
write,
it
then
sometimes
speak
to
the
heart.
So
you
don't
say
anything
too
bad,
but
I
want
to
make
a
couple
comments.
I've
lived
in
this
community
for
25
years
and
some
of
the
comments
that
I
have
seen
given
by
social
media.
Even
some
public
comments
are
very
concerning
I
want
everybody
to
remember
that
every
council
member
here
lives,
works
in
the
city
and
I
know
personally.
AE
I
would
never
want
to
disrupt
or
destroy
this
city
that
I've
called
home
for
25
years.
I
have
done
my
homework.
I
have
countless
hours
given
to
make
sure
that
I
do
my
due
diligence
on
every
item
that
comes
to
council
and
a
lot
of
people
have
said.
Well,
why
do
they
change
their
minds?
They
must
be
going
to
secret
meetings.
I
have
met
with
several
people
in
the
community.
AE
Somebody
mentioned
at
one
point
to
listen
to
the
residents.
We
have
residents
that
sit
on
both
sides
of
different
issues,
so
who
do
we
listen
to
and
my
honest
opinion,
the
job
of
a
council
member
is
to
listen
to
all
sides
and
ultimately
do
what's
best
for
the
city
in
the
residence.
If
you
do
not
agree,
it's
okay,
but
the
name
calling
and
the
misinformation
does
no
good
to
anybody
in
the
community.