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Regular City Council Meeting 9 06 2023
A
Would
everyone
please
take
their
seats?
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
September,
6
2023
city
council
meeting.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
City
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
we
please
stand
and
join
us
for
the
invocation
followed
by
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
B
B
We
pray
for
the
brave
men
and
women
that
are
working
to
restore
some
sort
of
normalcy.
We
pray
father
that
you
strengthen
and
comfort
them
father.
We
ask
that
you
bless
each
family,
that's
represented
in
this
chamber
here
today
and
let
the
decisions
that
are
made
today
be
pleasing
to
you
in
the
people
of
Punta,
Gorda
Psalm,
33
12,
says
blessed.
Is
the
nation
whose
God
is
the
Lord
and
all
God's
people
said
amen.
B
A
C
Good
morning,
Proclamation
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
whereas
the
advancements
of
Technology
continue
to
transform
our
everyday
lives,
providing
enhanced
communication,
productivity,
education,
safety
and
economic
benefits
for
all,
and
whereas
Information
Technology
professionals
are
the
vital
backbone.
Behind
These
Transformations
working
tirelessly
and
often
behind
the
scenes
to
develop,
maintain
and
support
the
critical
infrastructure
of
our
digital
world
and
whereas
I.T
professionals
continuously
employ
their
skills.
Creativity
and.
C
C
E
E
We've
been
recognized
for
the
past
nine
years
as
a
top
10
digital
City
in
this
in
the
nation
and
for
cities,
75
000,
population
and
Below
because
of
that
Innovation,
which
is
a
part
of
of
something
that
all
of
the
Departments
do
in
using
what
we
give
them
to
improve
business
processes.
So
I'm
really
proud
of
this
group,
and
you
should
be
too
thank
you
again.
A
A
Next,
we
have
a
proclamation
in
honor
of
national
day
of
service
and
Remembrance,
and
this
is
a
day
that
is
obviously
very
special
to
everyone
in
our
country,
especially
all
of
our
First
Responders
and
our
servicemen
and
women,
and
it
is
my
honor
and
privilege
to
present
this
Proclamation
where
what
is
that
buzzing
noise?
Does
anybody
know
what
that
is.
A
Okay:
okay,
whereas
our
September
September
11
2001,
four
commercial
planes
were
hijacked
by
terrorists.
Two
crashed
into
the
Twin
Towers
in
the
world's
white
Trade
Center
in
New
York,
one
crashed
into
the
Pentagon
and
the
fourth
crashed
into
a
field.
In
Pennsylvania,
more
than
3
000
people
died,
including
343,
firefighters
and
60
police
officers
and
eight
paramedics,
and
whereas,
although
it
has
been
more
than
20
years
since
that
tragic
day,
it
will
never
be
forgotten,
the
lives
lost
will
never
be
forgotten.
A
Americans
were
struck
with
grief
as
the
devastation
and
senseless
loss
of
innocent
human
life
unfolded.
We
will
forever
remember
the
loss
and
sacrifice
of
so
many
that
terrible
day
and
honor,
the
heroism
of
our
First
Responders
and
whereas
events
of
that
day
transformed
nearly
everyone's
lives,
some
through
personal
loss
and
many
others
through
an
unfamiliar
sense
of
individual
and
National
vulnerability,
creating
an
unprecedented
historic
bonding
of
Americans
excuse
me,
and
whereas
each
year
on
this
somber
date,
we
remember
the
horror
and
bravery
shown
that
day.
A
Just
as
we
remember
how
we
came
together,
United
in
grief
and
in
purpose,
each
excuse
me
each
year
we
renew
our
solemn
vow
to
never
forget
what
happened
on
September,
11
2001
and
whereas
by
a
joint
resolution,
approved
December,
18,
2001,
Public,
Law
107-89,
the
Congress
has
designated
September
11
of
each
year
as
Patriot
Day
and
by
public
law.
111-13
approved,
April,
21
2009.
The
Congress
has
requested
the
observance
of
September
11
as
a
nationally
recognized
National,
Day
of
Service
and
Remembrance.
A
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
Proclaim
September
11
2023
as
National
Day
of
Service
and
Remembrance,
and
calls
upon
residents
to
participate
in
community
service
in
honor
of
those
lost
and
to
observe
a
moment
of
silence
to
honor
the
innocent
victims
who
perished
as
a
result
of
the
terrorist
attacks
on
September
11
2001.
Pastor,
duly
adopted
in
regular
session
the
sixth
day
of
September
2023.
And
if
we
could
please
just
have
a
moment
of
silence.
A
F
G
H
H
H
The
different
things
she's
involved
with,
and
certainly
as
a
doctor
of
Public
Health,
has
been
very
pertinent
as
we
went
through
our
coveted
phases
and
are
still
fighting
a
lot
of
the
things
in
the
city,
so
she's
a
key
part
of
our
office
and
certainly
always
available
to
the
citizens
to
myself
and
she's
the
one
that
when
people
say
gee,
you
do
a
good
job.
It's
because
you
have
people
like
her
making.
You
look
good.
So
we
certainly
appreciate
the
work
that
is
done
and
thank
you
for
your
years
of
service.
A
Okay:
next,
we
have
a
brief
update
on
Hurricane
Adelia
I
hope
that
everyone
made
it
through
the
hurricane
without
any
major
issues.
I
know
we
did
have
some
minor
issues
in
the
City
compared
to
other
places,
but
I.
Think
overall,
the
city
fared
pretty
well
in
this
storm,
so
I'm
very
grateful
for
that,
and
are
you
going
to
be
doing
the
update.
F
Cheap
gifts
again
Holden
Gibbs,
fire
chief
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
real,
quick
briefing
about
hurricane
nadalia,
so
it
came
and
went
pretty
quick
for
us.
We
sustained
you
know
quite
a
bit
of
damage
as
far
as
flooding
or
not
not
to
our
infrastructure
as
much
but
to
several
businesses
and
homes,
and
we
do
feel
for
those
people,
so
I
don't
want
to
make
it
it
sound
as
light
as
you
know,
it
could
have
been
much
worse,
but
there
are
still
some
people
out
there
who
are
really
struggling
so
Tuesday
about
5
p.m.
F
F
Four
feet
looks
much
worse,
so
just
that
one
foot
difference
makes
a
huge
difference
in
the
water
level
that
we're
going
to
have
in
a
day
in
the
city
and
in
a
lot
of
parts
of
the
city,
we
don't
have
drainage,
that's
going
to
be
able
to
work
when
we
have
those
High
Tides.
So
on
Wednesday
morning
about
4
37,
we
were
at
high
tide.
It
was
a
king
tide.
F
So
I,
just
let
you
know
that
we've
been
we
were
out
that
morning,
Crews
were
out
from
Public
Safety.
They
were
closing
off
roads,
fire
police,
Public,
Works,
they're,
all
out
there
working
together.
We
had
a
lot
of
people
just
out
driving
around
the
city
at
four
o'clock
in
the
morning,
just
trying
to
see
what
was
going
on
and
it
was
causing
a
lot
of
Havoc
for
First
Responders.
F
We
ended
up
having
to
make
about
a
dozen
or
more
water
related
kind
of
extrications,
from
people
that
were
had
either
swamped
their
cars
or,
just
you
know,
needed
help
getting
out
of
the
area,
but
they
shouldn't
have
been
there
in
the
first
place.
So
we,
you
know
a
lot
of
you
guys
stayed
home
and
listened
to
us,
and
we
appreciate
that,
but
those
ones
that
that
got
on
the
roads
just
to
go
look
around.
It
makes
it
makes
for
a
a
lot
more
work
for
us.
F
F
There's,
probably
a
lot
more.
We
could
have
noted
as
far
as
flooded
and
roadways,
Olympia,
Mary
and
all
those
roads
were
flooded
pretty
significantly
so
I
put
together.
Some
pictures,
some
of
them
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
here
with
the
as
much
light
as
we
have.
But
this
is
just
some
of
the
flooding
downtown.
F
We
have
41
in
Marion,
Gilcrest,
Park
Taylor,
looking
at
Retta
and
there's
a
car
I
think
it
had
water
up
over
the
bumpers,
where
it
was
at
I'm,
not
sure
I
didn't
see
it
moving,
so
I
didn't
know
if
it
was
swamped
or
not.
The
vehicle
that
I
was
in
I
knew
I
couldn't
make
it
down
the
road.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
our
First
Responders.
Unless
we
were
in
the
high
water
vehicle,
which
is
a
military
deuce
and
a
half,
we
couldn't
access
all
the
streets.
F
F
There's
our
high
water
truck
got
a
couple
people
in
the
back
that
we
had
to
had
to
rescue
and
just
the
typical
pickup
trucks
that
we
saw
day
in
and
day
out
just
out
driving
around
through.
You
know
and
Making
Waves
for
everybody
else,
so
we
feel
for
Deans
had
a
lot
of
water
and
Deans
South.
The
Border.
F
This
is
down
at
Retta,
and
this
was
several
hours
after
this
was
actually
when
we
were
at
low
tide
and
the
low
tide
following
the
king
tide
never
went
below
normal.
It
was
still
at
1.1
feet
above
normal
tide,
so
the
water
had
nowhere
to
go
it
just
kind
of
stayed
stacked
up.
It
had
receded
a
little
bit,
but
it
really
had
had
no
place
to
go.
F
F
And
the
last
thing
I
have
to
do
is
update
you
a
little
bit
about
tropical
storm
Lee
all
the
models,
except
for
one
show
it
staying
well
off
the
coast.
So
it's
something
that
we're
going
to
keep
watching.
We
continue
to
watch
storms
throughout
the
year
this
time
of
year
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
In
Harm's
Way.
F
I
H
We
actually
have
duck
bills
on
some
of
those
pipes
so
that
it
can't
back
up
into
the
streets,
which
is
part
of
a
project
also
that
prevents
water
from
coming
back
in
when
it's
higher
than
the
storm
water
pipe.
If
it
was
storm
surge
and
not
rain
related.
So
with
that,
regardless
of
how
big
a
drain
pipes
you
have
or
where
they
are
or
where
they
go.
When
that
water
is
above
that
outlet
it
can't
drain
when
the
water
comes
down
below
it,
water
seeks
its
own
level
when
it
goes
down
with
it.
H
If,
indeed,
you
did
not
have
storm
surge
and
the
town
wasn't
inundated
and
you
just
had
normal
seasonal
rainfalls
that
flood
some
of
the
streets,
then
potentially
you
could
do
something
like
a
massive
pumping
system
that
would
pump
around
the
the
gradient
and
put
it
back
into
the
harbor
or
wherever
you
determine
that.
Outfall
should
be
from
the
pumping
system
very
expensive,
very,
very
detailed
engineering
and
construction
project
that
would
tear
up
those
to
the
City
downtown
to
do
that.
H
But
certainly
if
you
have
100
million
dollars,
it
would
probably
be
possible,
but
even
with
that,
if
the
harbor
is
subject
to
storm
surge
and
it
comes
up
and
it's
inundating
the
town
like
we've
seen
with
you,
know
almost
three
feet
of
storm
surge.
It
doesn't
matter
how
much
you
pump
it
you're,
pumping
it
right
back
into
the
body
of
water
and
subsequently
the
Gulf
of
Mexico,
that's
pushing
in.
When
we
had
17
to
22
foot
Seas,
that's
pushing
that
water
into
the
down.
H
You
can
pump
it
all
day
long
and
it's
going
right
back
into
the
water.
That's
inundating
the
dam,
so
you're
not
going
to
get
anywhere.
So,
with
the
hydraulic
gradient
that
we
have
in
Punta
Gorda
when
we
have
major
storms
like
this
and
storm
surge,
we're
going
to
have
flooding
I
mean
that's
just
that's
where
we
live.
If
we
had
more
minor
storms
or
we
had
seasonal
rainfall
and
we
had
a
massive
pumping
system,
it
could
help
like
I
know
they
have
in
Orlando
Northern
up
North
with
the
river
up
there.
F
I
H
F
A
A
F
It
was,
it
was
a
nice
team
effort,
yeah
the
police
department,
Fire
Department,
Public
Works
was
out
in
the
in
the
streets
throughout
the
rain
and
then,
as
soon
as
those
water
succeeded,
the
building
department
was
out
there
hitting
the
streets
to
try
to
locate
any
damage.
So
I
think
the
the
city
staff
in
a
hole
did
a
did
a
great
job
with
the
storm.
Okay,.
H
They
certainly
did
and
I
do
want
to
mention.
Also
that
when
you
looked
at
Olympia
you
look
at
Marion,
you
look
at
Retta
in
both
directions.
You
look
at
the
side
streets.
There
were
signs
out.
There
were
street
closures
Henry,
you
could
go
down
Henry
and
where
41
was,
you
could
see
the
mud
hole
on
the
side
and
the
grass,
because
people
were
just
ignoring
the
signs,
so
even
those
streets
were
closed.
H
So
when
new
streets
are
closed,
they
are
closed
for
a
reason,
not
only
safety,
but
when
we
have
flooding
like
that,
I
mean
you're,
just
really
creating
an
additional
problem
on
top
of
the
flooding
when
you're
causing
the
weight
because
you're
driving
you
know
large
vehicles
through
just
to
see
the
damage
or
see
if
you
can
make
it.
So
you
know
everyone
needs
to
be
aware
that
you
know
we're
all
neighbors
and
we
have
to
be
very
cognizant
of
the
damage
that
can
cause
when
we're
not
paying
attention
to
the
signs
that
are
put
out.
A
A
I
A
A
Opposed
okay
motion
carries
four
to
one:
okay,
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
is
submitting
their
name
and
resume
for
a
border
position,
border
committee
position
for
the
city-
and
you
would
like
to
introduce
yourself.
Please
come
forward
state
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
D
L
D
Goldberg
and
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
I
have
applied
for
appointment
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
for
a
vacancy
on
that
board.
I
have
12
years
experience
overall,
with
planning
and
zoning
and
I
currently
have
the
honor
of
serving
on
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
city
and
I
would
appreciate
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
M
Good
morning
Council
excuse
me,
my
name
is
Scott
Bostrom
and
I'm
I'd
like
to
add
my
name
to
the
nominations
for
the
open
term
position.
That's
coming
up
on
the
building
board,
I've
been
with
the
building
board
as
an
alternate
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
I
believe
and
I'd
just
like
to
continue
on
a
more
I,
don't
say
permanent,
but
the
term
position.
Thank.
C
N
A
N
My
name
is
Jim
doday
I'm,
applying
for
a
position
on
the
historic
preservation.
Advisory
Board
I
moved
to
Punta
Gorda
in
2019.
I
have
lived
here
full
time
since
then
I'm
a
member
of
the
Punta
Gorda
Historical
Society,
where
I
focus
on
the
marketing
I
have
a
passion
for
history,
architecture
and
experience
in
construction
and
restoring
old
homes,
specifically
in
Key,
West
and
I.
Believe
I
have
a
combination
of
skills
and
experience
that
would
apply
directly
to
being
able
to
make
good
decisions
for
the
city
and
the
historic
preservation
Advisory
Board.
Thank
you.
A
Is
there
anyone
else
before
we
move
on?
Okay,
before
we
open
for
citizen
comments,
I
have
some
housekeeping
notes,
I'm
going
to
read
into
the
record
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
Please
silence
all
personal
devices
as
the
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
it
disrupts
the
proceedings
when
phones
go
off
during
the
meeting
there
is
a
Code
of
Conduct
in
the
council
chambers.
Members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
rules
on
the
on
the
list
of
code
of
conduct.
A
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
should
use
the
guest
Podium
at
the
center
of
the
room.
The
podium
to
the
right
of
the
stage
is
for
staff
and
applicant
presentations
only
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
If
it
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
please
also
state
that
you
have
been
sworn
in
when
you
come
to
the
podium.
Each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
A
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak.
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
No
applause,
sidebar
conversations
are
booing
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
Please
refrain
from
talking
in
the
audience
during
the
meeting.
A
If
you
have
supporting
documents
you
wish
to
have
displayed
during
the
meeting,
you
must
provide
them
to
the
city
clerk's
office
and
they
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record.
The
citizens
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizen
comments.
Only
council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public
and
I
will
also
say
that
there
are
three
public
hearings
today.
A
So
if
anyone
here
is
planning
to
speak
on
one
of
those
three
public
hearings,
there
will
be
a
comment
time
during
each
of
those
hearings.
So,
rather
than
have
you
speak
under
General
citizen
comments,
if
you
plan
to
speak
on
one
of
the
hearings,
please
wait
until
the
the
hearing
is
being
addressed
so
that
we
can
have
those
comments
given
at
the
appropriate
time.
A
J
O
Same
okay,
hi
good
morning,
I'm
Kate
amps
I,
want
to
thank
the
fire
department
police
department
for
everything
that
they
did
during
the
recent
hurricane
and
I.
Do
want
to
note
that,
yes,
by
building
to
base
flood
elevation,
that
does
protect
your
property,
but
in
my
years
of
Construction
and
building
it
if
your
neighbor
Builds
on
their
entire.
G
O
Then
that
affects
the
drainage
on
your
lot.
If
you
take
a
pan
and
you
fill
it
with
one
inch
of
water
and
then
you
fill
half
of
that
with
a
solid
building,
then
guess
what
your
half
of
the
pan
is
going
to
be
two
inches,
so
we
also
need
to
be
cognizant
of
that
basic
construction
information.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks
for
all
you
do.
Thank
you.
P
G
P
P
And
nobody
likes
to
be
insulted
publicly.
We
don't
the
citizens
I,
don't
you
don't
now
I
want
to
see
that
resolution
council
member
bill
I
want
you
to
get
in
touch
with
Janet,
Knowlton,
Mr,
Levin
and
I
want
this
resolution
passed
in
this
city.
Banning
all
phosphate
mining
activities
and
I
also
want
the
letter
written
supporter,
DeSoto
County
on
their
decision
to
deny
mosaic
yeah.
P
P
P
A
Done
sir,
thank
you.
If
I
may
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
before
we
go
any
further.
The
county
has
an
ordinance
and
a
letter
on
file
about
this
subject
matter,
and
this
Punta
Gorda
is
part
of
Charlotte
County
and
therefore
is
included
in
that
ordinance.
So
the
city
does
not
need
to
write
a
separate
ordinance
about
anything.
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
Please
go
ahead.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
That
portion
of
of
the
value
of
the
property
in
the
CRA
that
has
accrued
since
1996
some
27
years
ago
is
Frozen,
in
other
words
the
true
value
of
the
wyvern
Hotel,
the
short
Point
Hotel,
the
there's
a
third
Hotel,
oh
of
course,
Spring
Hill
Suites.
Okay,
the
value
of
that
for
assessment
against
are
ad
valorem.
Tax
is
Frozen
at
the
value
of
that
property
in
1996.,
the
the
overage
the
the
True
Value
goes
into.
Your
CRA
budget
in
your
CRA
budget
is
designated
to
improve
the
CRA
District.
Q
But
if
one
of
you
would
take
the
initiative
to
ask
Paul
Polk
the
assessor
to
run
the
numbers,
what
is
the
total
value
by
the
acceptance
office
of
our
commercial
real
estate?
What
is
the
total
value
of
our
residential
real
estate
and
determine
that
percentage?
Do
not
use
the
CRA
influenced
10.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
Q
R
My
mother's
family
is
descended
from
The.
Matriarch
is
a
slave
called
Marianne
Ashby
that
had
10
children
for
her
owner
she
was
freed,
was
able
to
work
and
she
died
with
property.
That
property
was
still
in
my
family
when
my
mother
passed
away
and
there
were
cousins
living
there.
My
mother
and
her
family
amassed
considerable
property
to
the
point
where
they
had
maybe
1100
acres,
and
some
of
it
was
Oceanfront.
They
had
come
from
almost
nothing
to.
R
After
a
few
Generations,
they
had
property.
The
government
had
a
secret
plan
to
make
that
property
very
valuable.
The
beachfront
was
very
was
already
valuable
and
they
the
developers
were
to
reap
the
profits,
the
stakeholders
that
were
not
my
mother
and
her
family,
so
that
zoning
plan
was
done
to
take
effect
after
the
property
was
coarse,
coercively
sold
to
the
developers
in
which
many
of
both
political
parties
were
involved.
R
So
she
came
to
luckily
I
was
here
because
I
had
already
come
here,
because
I
could
see
what
happened
when
I
saw
my
friend's
house
flooded
in
on
in
Sunset
Crest
on
the
west
coast,
because
the
developers
were
building
luxury
homes
and
they
had
blocked
the
Watershed,
and
so
the
first
flood
that
happened
after
those
homes
were
developed.
My
friend's
house
was
severely
damaged
and
she's,
not
a
she's,
not
a
poor
person
nor
Rich.
She
was
a
middle
class
person.
R
She
had
to
suffer
for
that
kind
of
situation.
Then
I
also
saw
there
was
a
archaic
infrastructure
in
the
country
and
they
got
a
loan
from
overseas
to
develop
the
sewage
system.
The
entire
loan
was
used
to
build
a
luxury
dwelling
for
the
higher
Administration
and
soon
after
that,
the
sewage
system
failed.
There
was
sewage
everywhere,
so
they
took
a
little
bit
of
money
that
was
left
over
and
they
welded
shot
all
the
manhole
covers
that
lasted
for
a
couple
of
weeks.
S
S
What
I'd
like
to
speak
of
on
General
comments
today,
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
brought
up
for
another
years
a
year
or
so,
and
that
was
the
Florida
League
of
cities.
Annual
conference
and
I've
been
paying
attention
to
that
for
for
a
while,
now
long
before
you
happened
to
go
to
this
latest
conference
of
what
they
do
and
why
they
do
what
they
do
and
as
I
was
reading
through
some
of
the
things
just
very
quickly.
What
is
the
purpose
of
the
Florida
League
of
cities
annual
conference?
S
It's
the
opportunity
for
municipal
officials
and
Senior
staff
to
enhance
leadership
skills,
to
learn
from
Municipal
experts
to
share
ideas
with
peers.
I
would
like
to
have
add
to
that
and
your
residence
discuss
strategies
for
the
future
for
Florida
and
to
hear
about
the
latest
in
products
and
services
for
municipal
governments.
S
I'm
glad
that
you
all
went
I
think
that
was
important,
that
you
did
that
what
I
think
would
also
be
important.
I
did
ask:
how
did
you
afford
to
go
to
it,
because
motels
and
whatnot
are
very
expensive
and
I
understand
that
it
was
paid
for
by
the
city
for
you
to
go
to
this,
which
I
certainly
think
that's
fair,
but
if
you
are
paid
by
the
city
for
any
or
all
of
your
expenses,
you
should
be
putting
in
writing
to
the
city
a
one
or
two
page
report
of
what
you
learned
from
it.
S
T
T
All
of
you
seem
to
be
concerned
about
and
proposed
things
for
what
is
above
the
ground.
My
concern
is
what
is
below
ground,
namely
our
infrastructure,
which
is
already
under
stress
and
in
a
precarious
state.
I
cannot
imagine
the
stress
put
on
it
with
more
tall
buildings,
which
translates
to
more
people,
stressing
the
infrastructure
Beyond.
A
U
U
So
sorry,
my
name
is
Debbie
Wilson
clay,
I
live
at
635,
West
Marion
I
was
affected
by
the
flooding.
I
lost
my
car
in
the
driveway.
We
lost
a
lot
of
stuff
everything
in
the
garage,
the
generator
the
lawnmower
the
electrical
is
in.
We
have
small
businessmen
here
in
town
that
are
coming
to
our
house
to
help
with
electric
AC.
We
lost
that
it's
not
a.
It
is
a
big
deal
to
me.
It's
just
stuff:
it's
not
people,
I,
don't
care.
I
can
replace
stuff.
But
the
point
of
telling
you
that
is
again.
U
You
can't
add
more
people
and
eloquently
councilman
Murray
told
us
about
the
drainage
system.
He
told
us
that
earlier
you
can't
fix
that
without
major
infrastructure
and
you
can't
develop
and
then
find
it
in
a
crisis,
because
you
didn't
think
about
infrastructure,
about
flooding
about
adding
concrete
I
live
on
Marion.
The
amount
of
concrete
that
goes
down.
West
Marion
would
shock
you
it's
in
the
form
of
dump
trucks
and
cinder
blocks,
and
you
name
it.
U
It's
a
30
mile,
an
hour
30
mile
an
hour
Zone
that
is
treated
like
a
NASCAR
start
line
at
the
corner
of
West,
Marion
and
McGregor,
and
they,
if
they're
doing
35,
when
the
officers
are
sitting
in
the
church
parking
lot
by
the
time
they
get
to
the
corner
of
chasteen
in
West,
Marion
they're
doing
45
miles
an
hour,
if
not
faster
and
by
the
time
they
get
to
bury
a
half
a
block.
Later,
it's
at
50
for
sure
retrieve
the
accidents
that
happened
at
the
corner
of
Shreve.
U
A
A
Okay,
well,
Mr
Murray
is
getting
set
up,
we'll
convene
now,
as
the
CRA
and
the
first
item
on
this
agenda
is
citizen
comments
on
cra.
If
anyone
has
any
comments,
they
would
like
to
speak
to
the
CRA
commission
about
please
come
forward
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
three
minutes:
okay,
seeing
none!
The
next
item
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
July
5th
meeting.
A
G
H
Well
good
morning
again
as
CRA
Commissioners,
so
let's
talk
about
the
marina
a
little
bit
in
our
July
2023
slips.
We
had
14
annuals
and
you
can
see
you
can
read
as
well.
12
monthlies
one
transient
and,
of
course
we
had
a
couple
of
level
boards,
which
we
now
expect
to
have
a
lower
amount
of
level
boards
that
are
there
for
several
months
as
intended
with
the
hot
months
that
we've
seen,
we've
had
less
moving
in
and
out,
it
just
seems
like
the
use
has
been
down.
H
Certainly
that's
also
given
us
an
opportunity
to
continue
to
repair
some
of
the
infrastructure.
We
had
a
couple
floating
docks
that
had
been
under
construction
for
some
time
that
we're
continuing
to
work
on.
We
have
pedestals
different
things
that
needed
to
be
replaced
even
post
Ian
that
getting
materials
and
contractors
Etc
were
continuing
to
work
on
the
Marina
management
company
is
currently
updating
a
lot
of
the
amenities
from
the
website
to
cameras
on
the
boat
ramp
and
some
of
the
things
like
trimming.
The
mangroves
and
windowing
and
different
things.
H
That'll
make
the
appearance
of
the
marina
much
more
palatable,
as
well
as
the
actual
functionality
of
the
marina,
so
we
still
have
boots
coming
and
going
just
summer
months.
Of
course,
we've
had
lesser,
because
one
of
the
main
reasons
is
heat.
The
number
of
pump
outs
you
can
see
in
July
of
2023.
Of
course,
we've
had
less
vessels,
but
we
also
had
almost
2
000
gallons
bumped
of
these
2
000
gallons
are
then
transported
to
the
disposal
station
pumped
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
for
proper
treatment
and
Disposal.
H
So
for
the
municipal
Marine
activity
in
August,
that
was
July.
We
have
two
months
here
since
last
month.
We
didn't
provide
the
information
and
you'll.
Of
course
you
can
see
again
14
commercial.
We
have
our
14
Moorings,
which
are
basically
the
boats
that
are
rented
out
with
the
Freedom
Boat
Club
Moorings.
That's
part
of
our
overall
project
that
needs
to
be
repaired.
Many
of
The
Mooring
balls
are
non-existent,
he's
doing
the
hurricane
and
then,
of
course,
even
the
anchors
in
the
floor
of
the
harbor.
H
H
H
The
budget
estimates
based
on
the
90
percent
plans
that'll
give
us
a
cost
not
to
exceed
we'll
bring
that
back
to
council,
then
so
that
that
can
be
presented
and
discussed
for
approval,
and
at
that
point
then,
when
construction
starts,
of
course,
the
old
city
council
chambers,
which,
even
with
this
more
recent
rainfall,
is
again
leaking
and
has
issues
in
itself.
If
you
walk
in
there
to
talk
to
code
or
planning.
H
Currently
you
can
see
that
the
machines
that
are
keeping
the
air
quality
at
acceptable
levels
with
the
HEPA
filters,
the
supplemental
air,
the
different
things
that
just
you
know,
still
don't
work
and
those
chambers
are
still
sitting
there
for
me
and
and
those
that
staff
will
be
moving
out
into
temporary
offices
until
we
have
the
construction
complete,
especially
at
the
third
floor
on
the
annex,
you
can
still
see
the
construction
trailers
sitting
out
front.
We
can
finally
have
found
some
office
space
that
they
can
move
into,
that
has
adequate
parking
in
space
to
be
used.
H
That
is
cheaper
than
renting
the
two
construction
trailers
that
are
sitting
out
there,
much
less
the
issues
inside
the
building,
so
we're
pleased
we'll
be
able
to
get
that
moved
very
soon,
and
this
project
will
continue
to
move
forward
Gilchrist
park.
The
work
at
Gilcrest
Park
is
generally
complete.
Public
work
staff
is
coordinating
to
provide
to
close
out
paperwork,
and
the
projects
that
were
complete
or
that
were
proposed
are
now
complete
just
in
time
to
keep
cleaning
things
up
when
we
have
these
storms
during
the
season.
H
So
the
project
itself,
though,
is
complete
and
we're
very
pleased
with
the
outcome
of
that.
One
of
the
things
that
we
saw
during
the
storm
was
there
was
some
damage
to
some
of
the
infrastructure
in
there.
Some
of
the
things
that
will
have
to
be
closed
until
we
get
things
like
sound
barrier,
re-hung
and
different
things
that
will
allow
us
to
reopen
some
of
the
infrastructure.
There
were
things
that
were
ripped
bent,
Etc,
so
we're
working
on
getting
all
that
complete
so
that
we
can
reopen
everything
in
the
park.
H
We
still
have
some
issues
with
getting
materials
for
things
like
the
pirate
ship
and
the
kids
playground,
so
I
mean
that's
been
an
ongoing
Challenge
and,
of
course,
we're
still
working
on
that.
But
these
things
will
continue
to
improve
as
we
get
material
in
and
contractors
that
can
complete
those
AC
Freeman
house
again,
the
quarterly
report
was
submitted.
We
still
have
the
497
thousand
dollar
Grant.
H
We
have
the
notification
of
minor
modification
of
permit
approval
for
stormwater
management.
So,
as
we
have
projects
that
continue,
the
storm
water
has
to
be,
of
course,
upgraded
and
approved
by
the
state.
Well,
our
Swift
Mud
and,
as
those
things
are
constructed,
we
have
additional
stormwater
management
mitigation
that
is
put
in
place.
H
Actually
splash
pad
or
just
go
past
that
well
actually
Splash
Pad
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
recently,
of
course,
you
know
being
a
project
that
is
more
recreational
in
nature.
It's
been
very
difficult
to
find
contractors
to
finalize
the
negotiations
and
actually
get
that
under
construction.
I
know
our
procurement
department
and
has
been
working
very
diligently
to
continue
to
try
to
find
contractors
that
would
be
able
to
facilitate
this.
Every
time
we
get
someone
on
board
like
last
time
when
Ian,
you
know
we
had
a
contractor.
H
Ian
comes
along
and
all
of
a
sudden,
all
the
subs
have
so
much
electrical
and
mechanical
work
and
plumbing
to
do
that.
They
all
pull
out
because
they're
making
a
lot
more
money
than
doing
a
government
contract,
and
you
know
it
falls
through
but
they're
on,
track
right
now.
They
believe
they
have
a
negotiated
solution,
and
hopefully,
maybe
next
month
we'll
be
able
to
come
into
Council
and
have
approval
for
a
contractor.
H
H
Bayfront,
Activity
Center.
Obviously
you
know
what's
happened
with
the
meetings
of
the
bay
front
committee
staff,
refined
the
initial
findings
report
and
the
ranking
of
the
alternatives
at
the
August
11th
meeting
and
that
was
presented
to
Council
on
August
23rd
and
we
had
Direction
then
to
as
we
move
forward
to
provide
some
more
information,
actually
identify
and
collect
more
information
on
the
different
sites
and
what
the
Alternatives
may
be
and
where
we
might
be
able
to
go
with
that
in
the
near
future.
H
We're
waiting
right
now
for
a
contractor
to
remove
the
asbestos
that
was
identified
inside
the
building,
everything
from
nine
by
nine
tiles,
with
asbestos
and
domestic
or
anything
that
requires
remediation
once
that's
complete,
then
that
building
will
be
raised
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
top.
There
is
no
top
and
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
inside,
there
is
no
inside
so
we'll
be
taking
care
of
that
and
then
we'll
move
forward
with
bringing
more
information
to
council
Government
Center.
H
We
have
the
fencing
installed
that
helps
prevent
liability
for
the
city
and
secures
the
site,
especially
for
construction.
There
were
adjacent
businesses
and
a
lot
of
people
that
cut
through
the
parking
lot
cut
through
the
bushes
down
over
the
hill
trip
on
the
mulch,
come
back
and
want
to
see
the
city
because
we
don't
have
a
fence
there
that
keeps
him
from
tripping
down
the
hill
on
the
mulch.
H
So
we
do
have
a
secure
site
now
and
hopefully
it'll
help
prevent
some
of
the
lawsuits
and
secure
the
site
for
the
amount
of
construction
that
will
be
occurring
not
only
with
the
historic
City,
Hall
and
council
chambers,
but
also
our
Third
Floor
Annex
and
then
of
course,
AC
Freeman
will
have
construction
on
that
site.
Also.
H
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
on
this
previously
on
how
a
ramp,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
southbound
bridge,
and
when
you
come
off
the
bridge,
if
you're
walking,
there
is
a
staircase
that
goes
down
to
the
parking
lot,
so
you
can
access
the
harbor
walk
right
beside
a
hurricane
Charlie's.
That
staircase,
of
course,
is
not
accessible
and
f-dot
wanted
to
make
an
accessible
ramp
at
that
location.
To
access
the
harbor
walk
it'd
be
great
to
access
the
harbor
walk
there,
the
ramp,
given
the
incline
and
space
requirements
would
have
taken.
H
You
know
quite
a
bit
of
work
and
even
the
purchase
of
some
additional
property.
So
right
now
what
they
want
to
do
is
look
at
how
far
down
they
can
bring
that
ramp.
Of
course,
we
have
sidewalks
on
redo.
We
can
do
some
different
things
there
and
determine
what
the
best
way
is
to
make
that
potentially
accessible.
H
And
if
I
may
you
have
discussed
this
previously
in
a
meeting
and
agreed
to
these
rates,
we
just
need
to
bring
that
back
for
the
CRA
board
for
approval.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
allow
us
to
increase
the
revenue
somewhat.
The
rates
are
still
certainly
very
reasonable,
especially
comparatively
with
surrounding
marinas.
So
this
will
probably
be
the
first
of
you
know
many
recommendations,
but
again
something
that
helps
the
marina
to
become
more
of
an
attraction
than
it
should
be.
A
Much
behind
the
eight
ball
and
getting
this
done
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it.
I
know
we
have
a
new
dock
Master,
that's
been
very
proactive
and
working
with
city
manager.
So
it's
it's
great
just
to
see
things
moving
forward
in
the
marina.
This
will
also
give
us
operating
capital
for
any
maintenance
projects
that
have
to
happen
ongoing.
A
G
H
V
Is
it
better
do
more
incremental
type
increases,
as
opposed
to
a
significant
increase
I
mean
in
this
case
eight
years,
so
just
something
that
I
pondered
as
I
may
review
this
and
make
the
decision
to
to
have
support
it,
but
that
that
sometimes
it
just
may
be
less
painful
if
we
do
a
little
more
incrementally
than
waiting
on
a
number
of
years,
that's
it.
Thank.
A
A
P
G
W
Providing
regulations
pertaining
to
events
providing
for
review
authorities,
providing
application
review
and
approval
requirements
providing
for
non-conformities,
providing
for
violations,
penalties
and
enforcement.
Providing
definitions,
providing
a
new
zoning
map
providing
for
conflicts,
providing
the
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
H
Provide
the
same
information
that
I
have
provided
to
the
Planning
Commission
prior
to
the
remainder
of
the
staff
presentation.
These
regulations
are
essentially
based
on
the
master
plan
that
Dover
Cole
started
five
years
ago.
There
were
several
things
that
were
left
out
of
that
plan
that
have
been
added
subsequently
that
I'll
discuss.
In
a
moment
the
plan
was
generally
I
started
in
2018
2019.
The
plan
was
accepted
by
Council
based
on
and
not
Dover
Gold's
initial
recommendations,
but
subsequent
changes
based
on
charette's
public
input
and
all
the
things
that
had
happened
during
the
subsequent
year.
H
Of
course,
there's
been
several
discussions
since
then.
The
document
that
was
originally
published
for
Planning
Commission
was
a
little
over
500
pages.
There
were
about
75
Pages
added
to
that
subsequently,
because
there
were
was
some
concern
that
it
was
difficult
to
track
what
had
changed
in
the
document,
so
the
document
was
updated
with
the
track
changes
version.
So
there
was
no
substantive
changes
in
that
75
Pages.
It
was
simply
a
way
to
allow
the
public
to
more
accurately
track
what
had
been
changed.
H
H
The
other
was
the
one
table
still
had
referenced,
one
parking
space
per
thousand,
where
it
was
actually
one
and
a
half,
and
that
was
updated
to
be
accurate
prior
to
the
meetings,
the
document
and
the
public
hearings,
or
it
was
published,
and
public
hearings
are
held
So
that
obviously
we
can
have
thousands
of
people
that
looked
at
it
as
opposed
to
just
staff
and
Council,
and
those
type
of
Corrections
that
needed
to
be
made
are
a
result
of
those
reviews.
That's
certainly
beneficial
for
the
whole
process.
H
The
parameters
discussed
by
Council
and
the
direction
that
was
given
for
most
of
the
plan
happened
well
over
a
year
ago.
They
remained
unchanged,
including
additions
that
were
not
in
the
original
master
plan.
For
example,
Dover
coal
did
not
have
architectural
standards
in
the
plan
that
you
see
today,
they
weren't
all
in
there
and
that
would
have
allowed
more
of
the
flat
top
buildings
that
we
did
not
want
to
see
so
architectural
standards
added.
They
had
several
recommendations
that
development
could
use
independently.
H
You
could
do
this
or
this
or
this
and
get
additional
benefit
from
that.
That
has
been
changed
so
that
you
have
to
do
all
of
these
things,
as
opposed
to
any
one
of
those
things
to
have
any
additional
benefit.
There
was
no
City
Center
designation
that
required
the
lower
Heights
and
densities
along
areas
of
Marion.
For
example,
if
you
look
at
the
River
City
area,
you
look
at
the
beginning
of
City
Marketplace.
Originally,
whatever
final
approval
occurred,
that
could
have
happened
on
the
whole
property
as
it
cannot
now
or
in
any
subsequent
areas.
H
We
also
had
a
major
concern,
of
course,
with
the
existing
plan
developments
in
city
center
and
the
way
that
they
were
managed
that
it
did
not
allow
restriction
on
any
approved
plan
development.
As
far
as
height
and
density,
there
was
very
little
requirements
for
that
to
occur.
There
were
mandatory
approvals,
so
this
changes
all
that
and
puts
a
hard
cap
on
a
lot
of
what
can
happen
based
on
whatever
the
approval
is.
H
The
original
discussions
had
Heights
and
densities
that
were
75
feet
for
the
denser
area
and
50
dwelling
units
per
acre
on
one
third
page.
132
of
the
master
plan
that
has
subsequently
been
discussed
and
the
heights
currently
proposed
are
within
five
feet
of
that
there
are
the
80
foot
building
envelope
and
a
dwelling
unit,
breaker
density
with
other
intensity
uses
of
60.
That's
based
on
several
things
that
were
not
in
play
at
the
time.
H
H
H
Setbacks
of
course
remain
for
any
of
those
Heights
and
densities.
The
parking,
as
I
said,
was
at
one
and
a
half
per
thousand
square
feet
and
there's
been
some
discussion
about
how
to
calculate
the
non-residential
portion
of
mixed
development
and
in
this
standard,
the
non-residential
portion
has
to
be
under
roof
and
under
HVAC
control,
no
outside
amenities,
no
tables
that
are
on
the
sidewalks.
None
of
those
other
things
are
counted
when
you're
looking
at
the
25
percent,
it's
all
interior
space
for
a
Florida
area
ratio.
W
W
The
the
city,
the
Planning
Commission,
recommended
approval,
but
their
motion
included
the
opportunity
for
staff
to
make
corrections
to
scrivener's
errors
that
would
ultimately
be
considered
non-substantive
by
the
city
council
and,
unfortunately,
the
the
hurricane
delayed
the
kind
of
review
that
I
would
have
liked
to
have
done
before
today's
meeting.
But
the
reason
why
we
have
two
public
hearings
for
these.
W
This
document
is
that
the
city
council
may
wish
to
make
changes
that
might
be
of
a
substantive
nature,
but
certainly
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
bring
before
you
at
the
second
public
hearing
an
erratic
sheet
showing
some
of
the
typographical
errors
that
have
been
corrected
and
bring
to
your
attention.
Whatever
changes
may
have
occurred
in
the
drafting
between
now
and
the
next
public
hearing,
bearing
in
mind
that
these
documents
are
not
yet
written
by
artificial
intelligence
and
humans
do
create
some
errors,
and
there
are
some
that
have
been
recognized.
X
X
Within
the
the
Land
Development
regulation
update
the
articles
that
cover
uses
in
density
are
Illustrated
on
the
screen.
The
bold
face
text
that
you
see
there
for
article
3,
5
and
10..
Those
are
the
areas
where
there
have
been
substantive
changes.
There
have
been
changes
throughout
the
document,
but
these
are
the
the
areas
where
the
uses
and
densities
are
really
most
evident
in
the
changes.
X
X
X
So,
firstly,
the
form-based
code
area
is
a
very
small
portion
of
the
city.
If
you
look
at
the
entirety
of
the
city,
land
and
water
area
or
like
32
square
miles,
you
look
just
at
the
land
area.
It's
about
half
of
that
and
about
half
of
that
land
area.
A
little
bit
under
half
is
actually
preservation
land.
It's
all
that
green
Charlotte,
Harbor
buffer,
preserve
area
owned
by
the
state,
the
county
and
portions,
are
owned
by
the
city.
X
The
form-based
code
area
is
approximately
one
and
a
half
square
miles
of
that,
so
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
land
area
of
the
city.
This
land
area
Illustrated
on
the
screen
here-
is
the
downtown
and
those
surrounding
historic
neighborhoods.
This
is
really
the
city
that
existed
prior
to
1958
when
Punta
Gorda,
Isles
Incorporated
began
the
development
of
Punta,
Gorda
Isles
and
Burnt
Store
Isles
and
Burnt
Store,
Meadows
and
subsequent
other
developments
that
occurred
that
are
in
the
city
today.
X
So
this
form-based
code
area
in
the
proposed
Land
Development
regulations
is
named
the
traditional
Punta,
Gorda,
District
or
tpg.
Within
that
zoning
district
there
are
eight
individual
regulating
districts,
six
overlay
districts,
their
definitions
of
building
types
and
their
regulations
for
architecture.
X
A
form-based
code
is
different
from
what
the
city
currently
has,
which
is
called
in
the
trade.
A
euclidean
zoning
and
euclidean
Zoning
is
based
primarily
on
metrics
of
uses
and
densities
and
process,
and
very
minor
Provisions
related
to
form
form-based
code
really
flips,
that
script
process
uses
and
densities.
Those
are
very
important,
but
the
primary
focus
is
on
form.
What
is
the
finished
product?
The
goal
of
a
form-based
code
is
to
ensure
that
your
crafting
regulations
that
provide
predictable
results.
What
you
intend
to
have
built
is
what
can
be
built.
X
The
regulating
plan,
again
as
I
said,
is
eight
regulating
districts.
There
are
four
mixed-use
districts:
three
residential
districts
and
one
governmental
District
within
the
overlays.
There
are
three
historic
districts
really
four
with
the
neighborhood
Conservation
District,
although
that
district
is
designed
to
facilitate
continued
development
in
an
area
where
most
of
the
historic
building
stock
has
been
lost
to
time,
one
Medical
District
and
then
the
Waterfront
overlay,
District
foreign
based
code.
Development
standards
are
really
how
are
housed
in
section
3.2
C.
X
Form-Based
code
contains
a
building
types.
This
is
the
the
key
building
block
of
a
form-based
code
that
makes
it
significantly
different
from
traditional
zoning.
There
are
17
individual
building
types
that
are
that
are
codified
in
this
proposal.
There
are
four
categories:
residential
mixed-use,
commercial
and
special
types
like
Civic
uses,
foreign,
the
building
types
again
in
their
structure.
They
Define
themselves
with
a
summary,
a
quick
guide
that
illustrates
in
text
and
images
what
the
intent
is
and
then
building
and
lot
standards
parking
and
access,
building
composition
and
site
configuration.
X
Also
within
section
3.2
C
and
D,
we
have
a
discussion
of
missing
middle
housing
within
C,
so
mission
missing,
middle
housing
is
really
those
housing
types
that
we
saw
historically
in
development
in
in
Punta
Gorda,
as
well
as
in
other
areas
in
in
our
country.
Before
zoning
was
implemented.
Zoning
as
it's
as
traditionally
practice
really
gives
you
two
types
of
development.
X
X
Each
of
these
building
each
of
the
regular
regulating
districts
calls
for
a
different
set
of
of
building
types
depending
on
the
regulating
District,
so
that
those
types
are
scaled
to
fit
the
context
of
each
one
of
those
districts.
I
also
want
to
note
that
the
in
the
flex,
commercial
District,
which
is
along
the
US-41
corridor
from
Airport
Road
North
to
the
southern
end
of
downtown,
that
those
building
the
the
missing
middle
housing
types
are
limited
to
mixed-use
structures
so
again
preserving
that
commercial
aspect
of
these
areas.
X
Additionally,
all
of
the
yellow
areas
on
the
map,
those
are
traditional
residential
district
and
that's
the
area
of
the
city,
where
we
primarily
find
a
single-family
detached
single-family
detached
for
the
accessory
dwelling
and
duplexes.
So
missing.
Middle
housing
types
are
not
permitted
in
that
area.
X
X
So
again,
within
section
3.2
D
the
building
types
it
lays
out
what
those
the
specific
building
types
are:
some
mixed
use.
You
have
live
work
and
small
footprint
and
then
residential
types,
row,
houses,
Triplex,
fourplex,
Multiplex
and
Courtyard
Apartments,
all
sort
of
small
multi-family
housing
types.
X
Yeah
within
the
form-based
code
area,
in
section
3.2,
C
and
again
in
J,
there
are
development
mitigation
standards,
so
these
standards
permit
additional
allowances
in
terms
of
Building,
height
and
residential
above
the
base
allowances,
and
they
require
additional
things
to
be
done
by
a
developer.
So
in
the
example
here,
if
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
be
a
property
owner
in
in
downtown
Punta,
Gorda
and
I
had
a
large
enough
site
and
I
wanted
to
build
a
building
up
to
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
80
feet
in
height.
X
I
would
be
required
to
do
all
of
these
things.
So
what
are
these
things?
I
would
have
to
provide
a
mixed-use
development,
the
minimum
Florida
area
ratio
of
that
development
for
commercial
is
0.25,
so
that's
25
percent
of
the
total
land
area.
If
I
had
an
acre
I'd
have
to
have
a
quarter
acre
of
commercial
development.
That's
building
under
air.
X
X
If
this
property
were
in
the
Waterfront
overlay
and
I
wanted
to
achieve
these
building
Heights
and
residential
densities.
In
addition
to
all
the
things
I
just
discussed,
I
would
also
have
to
provide
12.5
percent
of
the
total
slips
within
any
permitted
Marina
as
public
detox
and
again,
that
would
be
with
an
agreement
approved
by
the
city.
X
X
Additionally,
all
properties
within
the
Main
Street
historic
district,
which
is
outlined
on
the
screen
here
in
yellow,
are
restricted
from
this
program.
So
you
you
can
build
to
the
base
allowances,
but
you
cannot
participate
within
the
development
mitigation
for
those
air.
For
those
lots
are
areas
of
lots
that
are
covered
by
that
yellow
Mark
in
there.
X
X
Yeah
so,
in
addition,
Article
5
plan
development.
There
have
been
changes
made
here
that
prohibit
the
use
of
this
article
and
the
provisions
of
this
article
within
the
traditional
Punta
Gorda
zoning
District,
so
plan
development
is
not
no
long
would
no
longer
be
a
regulatory
tool
within
that
form-based
code
area.
X
So
city
council,
through
the
provisions
of
Article
5
as
it's
currently
written,
could
approve
any
residential
density
or
any
Building
height
that
they
were
willing
to
to
approve
for
any
proposal.
So
under
the
this
draft,
those
developments
would
be
limited
by
the
standards
that
are
are
written
in
article
3.
X
Article
7
also
contains
substantive
changes
which
relate
to
the
form-based
code
in
terms
of
section
7.2
architectural
standards.
This
is
really
architecture
101
how
to
compose
a
building
in
a
a
manner
that
is
responsive
to
the
built
environment,
building,
composition,
transparency,
how
to
locate
entrances
and
other
access
points
and
call
those
out
architectural
elements.
Public,
murals
and
art
I
do
want
to
point
that
out
because,
as
directed
by
city
council,
there
was
concern
regarding
the
placement
of
murals
on
buildings.
X
The
historic
mural
Society
has
done
a
great
job
of
highlighting
our
history
over
the
years
with
the
murals
that
they
have
placed
and
those
features
are
are
baked
into
this
code.
As,
allowing
those
things
to
exist,
despite
whatever
other
Provisions,
might
say
that
you
can
only
have
windows
and
doors
at
certain
percentages
on
the
ground
floor
or
other
floors,
section
7.3,
which
is
a
new
section
that
provides
standards
for
building
elevated
buildings
within
flood
zones,
and
this
is
providing
a
specific
architectural
guidance
for
how
to
build
buildings
that
are
safe
from
floods.
X
There
are
10
Styles
they're,
based
on
historic
precedent
within
Punta
Gorda
that
exists
and
they
better
Define
those
architectural
Styles
than
the
current
code,
which
currently
just
lists
them
and
references.
A
document
that's
outside
of
the
regulations,
each
one
of
those
architectural
Styles
may
or
may
not
be
permitted,
depending
on
the
regulating
District
or
overlay
District,
where
those
properties
are
found.
X
Foreign
moving
along
through
the
form-based
code
changes
article
10
off
street
parking
and
loading
section.
10.6
deals
with
parking
in
the
traditional
Punta
Gorda.
Zoning
District,
as
we
can
see
here
on
the
table
residential
for
the
downtown
core,
is
1.5
spaces
per
unit
and
then
all
other
regulating
districts
is
two
spaces
per
unit
which
is
consistent
with
the
the
requirements
and
the
rest
of
the
city
within
the
downtown
core.
There
are
two
there's
a
break
point
at
twenty
thousand
square
feet
in
lot
area.
So
that's
really
the
break
point.
X
Given
the
pattern
of
development
in
the
downtown
core
area
between
a
small
lot
and
a
bigger
lot,
which
may
have
more
capacity,
that's
also
the
break
point
for
the
development
mitigation
standards,
and
so
with
for
those
lots
that
are
less
than
twenty
thousand
square
feet
for
small
Lots.
We
do
permit
those
Property
Owners
to
either
provide
those
those
parking
spaces
on
site
off-site
or
by
fee
and
Lou
through
an
agreement
approved
by
by
the
city.
So
that's
a
another
piece
that
allows
those
lots.
X
Moving
on
out
of
the
form-based
code
and
into
the
general
provisions
of
the
code
we
go
to
uses,
Article
4
is
uses
permitted
with
conditions,
and
within
this
article
there
were
many
obsolete
references
due
to
changes
in
States
Florida
statute,
as
well
as
changes
within
the
proposed
code.
In
terms
of
the
zoning
districts.
X
Also,
there
were
Corrections
due
to
internal
inconsistencies
and
we're
clarifying
the
intent
and
conditions
breaking
up
long
sections
of
text
into
more
bite-sized
chunks.
So
you
can
better
understand
what
the
requirements
are,
as
well
as
removing
ambiguous
language
and
making
it
more
definitive
and
measurable.
X
The
first
one
is
section
8.1,
which
is
historic
districts
and
buildings,
and
this
section
really
combines
all
the
previously
scattered
Provisions
related
to
Historic
preservation,
with
the
intent
of
strengthening
the
preservation
of
fact,
also,
we
call
specifically
for
the
creation
of
a
local
register
of
historic
places
and
that
local
register
would
then
be
the
tool
for
ensuring
that
we're
preserving
the
structures
and
districts
that
are
important
to
the
community
from
a
historic
standpoint
and
not
hindering
development
on
on
other
lots
and
areas.
Through
this
regulation,
section,
7.2
or
8.2.
X
Excuse
me
is
development
agreements,
and
this
section
was
is
proposed
to
be
repealed.
Wholesale
these
Provisions
are
redundant
under
Florida
statute.
Regarding
development
agreements,
section
eight
points
have
8.3:
oh
yes,
exclusions
from
height
limits.
This
section
is
repealed
in
article
8,
and
the
provisions
are
relocated
to
section
7.6
allowances
from
regulatory
height
limits
and
again
this
was
to
clarify
what
is
and
is
not
allowed
in
terms
of
the
building
form
so
being
much
more
strategic
and
specific
about
what
is
allowed
and
what
is
not
allowed
to
occur
above
that
regulatory
height,
maximum.
X
Oh
yeah
process
wise
and
article
16.
We
have
application
review
and
approval
requirements
again
we're
aligning
and
clarifying
requirements
in
terms
of
application
for
appeal
of
administrative
decision,
which
was
not
super
clear
before
section
16.3,
application
of
certificate
of
appropriateness
again,
strengthening
those
historic
preservation
requirements,
section
16.10,
application
for
variance
clarifying
review
and
approval
authorities
of
those,
as
well
as
eliminating
obsolete
Provisions.
This
is
not
eliminating
the
sections
listed
here.
It's
just
obsolete
Provisions
within
those
sections.
X
Also
process
wise
and
article
17,
there
were
some
significant
changes
to
the
text
there.
However,
it's
just
bringing
it
back
into
line
with
what
the
intent
of
this
section
was,
although
clarifying
and
aligning
the
requirements
of
of
section
17.2
as
far
as
non-conforming
uses
and
eliminating
Provisions,
which
talk
about
structures
in
terms
of
principal
structures
or
accessory
structures,
because
the
intent
here
is
to
talk
about
non-conformities
and
use,
not
the
structures
themselves.
X
X
And,
finally,
last
but
not
least,
Article
19
is
definitions
in
the
definition
section
section
19.3
establishes
use
groups.
This
is
a
set
of
definitions
that
is
most
directly
related
to
the
form-based
code
area.
It
has
other
implications
for
uses
throughout
the
document,
but
that's
its
primary
purpose.
General
definitions
in
section
19.4.
X
The
other
big
thing
that
we
did
here
is
scattered
throughout
the
document.
Previously
there
would
have
been
definition
sections
with
signs
or
with
landscape,
and
we
we've
provided
references
in
each
one
of
those
sections
back
to
Article
19
to
these
specific
sections,
19.5
through
19.10,
where
those
definitions
are
now
rehoused,
and
this
eliminates
some
of
the
flipping
through
extraneous
pages,
when
you're
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
can
do
with
your
land.
If
you
need
a
definition,
you
know
where
to
find
it,
and
that
is
all
I
have
for
a
presentation.
Thank.
W
Not
to
belabor
the
point,
but
just
as
another
example
of
some
of
the
things
that
need
to
be
cleaned
up,
just
starting
with
Article
19
it.
The
draft
can
continues
to
contain
a
definition
for
indecent
speech,
which
was
repealed
by
the
city
council
by
ordinance
some
time
ago
and
Mitchell
I
I'm,
going
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
We
didn't
discuss
this
ahead
of
time,
but
there
is
a
I.
Have
a
couple
questions
I'd
like
to
ask
for
the
record.
X
Sir,
so
again
for
the
record,
Mitchell
Austin,
a
principal
planner
for
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
I,
have
two
sets
of
of
letters
behind
my
name.
Aicp,
which
stands
for
American
Institute
of
certified
planners
I've
been
a
certified
City
and
Regional
planner
by
the
American
Planning
Association
since
2009.
X
X
X
X
X
No
sir,
so
the
limitation
within
the
the
Waterfront
overlay,
which
is
where
the
Fisherman's
Village
the
peer
site,
is
located
within
that
Waterfront
overlay.
The
maximum
regulatory
Building
height
is
80
feet
that
is
measured
beginning
at
base.
Flood
elevation
plus
free
board,
which
is
required
by
Florida
building
code
of
one
foot
currently,
as
well
as
the
the
the
exclusions
from
regulatory
Building
height
for
architectural
features.
In
that
section,
7.6.
X
J
Would
it
take
to
lower
the
height
in
that
area?
I
just
have
a
I
have
a
problem
with
100
foot
building,
but
we
went
through
a
lot
of
gas
pains
with
that
thing,
and
maybe
we
can
nip
it
now
on
the
bud
with
this
with
that
particular
area
before
we
pass
it
so
that
they
can't
come
back
with
an
80-foot
building
limited
to
50
or
40.
some.
Something
like
that.
X
X
They
would
need
to
provide
additional
Street
yard
setbacks,
additional
open
space,
additional
public
parking,
and
since
they
have
a
permitted
Marina
on
that
site
associated
with
that
site,
they
would
need
to
provide
12.5
percent
of
those
existing
slips
as
available
for
date,
dock
usage
and
again
those
last
two
Provisions
in
terms
of
public
parking
and
public
day
doc.
Space
both
of
those
would
be
by
agreement
that
would
be
approved
by
city
council
and
recorded
with
the
property.
J
C
X
C
C
Oh
yes,
okay
and
the
question
was
brought
up
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
publicly
about
it
that
if
you
went
to
page
23,
which
is
table
26-14
when
you're
talking
about
Flex,
the
flex,
commercial
and
the
highway
commercial
I,
think
the
concern
I've
had
from
some
residents
is
that
the
FCC
changes
it
where
you
are
not
allowed
to
park
in
front
of
buildings
and
I
reference.
The
backwards
7-Eleven
and
I
just
want
to
kind
of
discuss
that
more.
C
X
So,
just
for
point
of
reference,
the
there
are
two
there's
a
regulating
District,
Flex
commercial
Corridor
and
then
there's
a
zoning
classification.
Highway
commercial
Highway
commercial
currently
exists
on
U.S
41
from
basically
we're
across
Trails
Plaza
and
West.
Marine
sit
all
the
way
south
to
the
southern
end
of
the
city
along
the
U.S
41
Corridor
Encompass,
encompassing
all
of
those
commercial
lands.
X
The
flex
Commerce,
the
proposed
Flex
commercial,
Corridor,
zoning
or
regulating
district
is
confined
to
that
area
along
the
U.S
41
corridor
from
airport
road,
which
is
public,
the
downtown
Publix
North
to
to
the
southern
end
of
downtown.
So
there
would,
within
the
highway
commercial
zoning
classification
as
it
exists
today.
It
basically
requires
the
way
that
it's
written
the
backwards
7-Eleven.
X
C
X
X
So
that's
certainly
it
would
be
very
easy
to
convert
it
back
or
leave
it
as
the
highway
commercial.
But
there
are
implications
to
that
in
in
the
over
the
long
term
over
the
short
term,
the
next
five
to
ten
years
from
staff's
perspective,
we
don't
anticipate
significant
changes
along
that
portion
of
the
corridor.
C
X
The
highway
commercial
allows
more
Suburban
typical
development
against
South
or
outside
of
the
proposed
traditional
Punta
Gorda.
There
were
some
questions
previously
asked
when
this
document
was
initially
published
and
staff
provided
some
responses
and
I
believe
there
was
some
confusion
about
nomenclature
and
and
what
we
were
talking
about.
So
there
may
be
some
erroneous
information
based
on
that,
but
the
the
intent
is
within
the
the
proposed
form-based
code
area,
it's
more
or
less
traditional
development
patterns
and
then
outside
of
that
area.
X
It's
more
Suburban
typical
development
patterns
and
again
from
a
policy
from
a
planning
perspective
staff
is
agnostic.
We
can
go
either
way,
but
from
a
policy
perspective,
the
the
choice
for
the
city
is:
is
that
portion
of
the
41
Corridor
a
future
extension
area
for
downtown
or
is
it
you
know?
Basically,
as
it's
developed
today,.
AA
C
X
AA
X
C
H
C
H
C
More
concerned,
is
it
going
to
stifle
commercial
building
because
people
are
not
you
know
if
another
dealership
wants
to
come
in
there
are
they
going
to
want
to
move
the
building
to
the
front?
You
know
I
I,
don't
know,
but
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
was
aware
of
that,
though,
that's
what
we're
proposing.
H
So
part
of
that,
if
you
just
made
an
example
because
everyone's
going
to
say
well
we're
not
Charlotte
County,
but
if
you
go
up
through
Charlotte
County,
if
you
get
on
the
side
roads
where
you
have
the
Dairy
Queens
and
the
car
washes
and
they're
all
on
side
roads
instead
of
Maine
41..
Imagine
if
every
one
of
those
at
an
entrance,
all
41,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
these
type
Gates.
C
H
Mean
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
way,
but
you
also
have
to
have
a
permit
from
State
Highway
to
get
an
entrance
off
their
Road
and
you
can't
have
one
every
10
or
every
100
feet
if
there's
businesses
there,
so
you
have
the
side
parking
where
people
turn
into
side
streets
and
they
use
that
as
parking
or
you
have
a
side
road
like
you
see
up
there
and
then
they
all
have
entrances
off
the
side,
road
and
one
main
entrance
or
several
main
entrances.
All
41.
For
example,
State
Highway.
A
X
Under
the
current
code,
the
the
Jen's
Loop
Road
area
and
all
of
that
commercial
is
Under,
The,
Interchange,
commercial,
Corridor
overlay
and
that
overlay
District
permits
you
know
parking
to
be
anywhere
on
site
and
and
there
is
no
maximum
Street
yard
setback
within
the
current
Highway
commercial.
There
is
a
maximum
Street
yard
setback
of
25
feet
that
is
proposed
to
be
eliminated
again
for
all
of
those
commercial
properties
from
Airport
Road
South.
A
I
think
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
build
commercial
businesses
in
the
city.
What
you're
proposing
is
not
going
to
do
that
if
you,
if
you
want
to
have
people
park
on
the
side
or
in
the
rear
of
a
building
on
41
they're,
going
to
have
a
lot
less
people
apt
to
be
developing
anything
in
any
of
those
spaces,
whether
it's
from
Carmelita
Street,
all
the
way
southbound
to
Jones,
Loop,
Road
and
Beyond
I
agree
with
Melissa
the
concern
is
we
don't
want
another
backwards
gas
station?
That's
that
really
looks
stupid.
A
C
Yeah
I
again
I
think
the
biggest
concern
is
that
I
just
want
commercial
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
do
what
they
need
to
do
along
that.
Corridor
and
I
feel
like
by
putting
this
little
caveat
in
there
and
again,
if
it's
an
existing
building,
it's
not
a
problem,
but
you
know
I,
always
look
30
years
down
the
road
and
if
we're
redeveloping
that
built
that
that
area
I
just
hate
to
have
any
commercial
stifled
because
of
that
and
I
feel
like
everybody's
used
to
having
that
airport
forward
with
people
parking
in
the
front.
C
I
P
X
AB
I
Of
any
height
and
any
density
could
be
developed
there,
we
are
eliminating
that
provision
and
replacing
that
with
absolute
limits
on
height
and
density.
So
my
question
is
because
I
was
at
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
last
week
and,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
transfer
of
density,
but
this
is
an
absolute
60
density
units
period.
It
doesn't
matter
you
can't
transfer
in
more
than
that.
That's
it
it's
a
limit.
Just
like
the
height
is
a
limit.
Did
I
understand
that
correctly.
X
Yes,
sir,
you
did
So
within
our
existing
Land
Development
regulations.
There
is
a
transfer
of
development
rights
provision
to
my
knowledge,
going
back
to
2004
that
provision
has
not
been
used.
It
may
have
been
used
in
the
few
years
that
it
existed
prior
to
me
coming
to
the
city
so
that
that
section
of
the
code
hasn't
really
been
used.
X
Those
additional
units
that
you're
that
you're
removing
from
properties
for
historic
preservation
or
Environmental
Protection,
or
for
governmental
acquisition
of
properties
to
reduce
the
cost
of
the
taxpayer,
that
all
of
those
sort
of
sending
Zone
units
would
go
towards
those
planned
development
areas.
So
that
is
the
intent
as
it's
currently
drafted.
X
There's
too
much
wiggle
room
in
there
and
there
are
some
minor
revisions
that
need
to
be
made.
But
that
is
the
intent
of
all
of
these
is
for
the
sending
sites
to
be
those
areas
that
we
want
to
preserve
and
protect
and
the
receiving
sites
to
be
within
plan
development
areas
where
those
impacts
can
be
accommodated
and.
H
Even
at
that,
the
receiving
sites
and
plan
development
areas
are
subject
to
a
maximum
based
on
comp
plan
allowances,
and
some
of
that
is
15.
great,
and
there
was
a
bonus
density
in
the
existing
Goods
that
50
bonus
density
was
based
on
15
and
could
go
to
22
and
a
half,
but
that's
been
removed.
Also
exactly
yes,.
X
A
Okay,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
Counsel
on
this
issue,
please
come
forward
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
and
we'll
ask
that
everybody
form
a
line
and
then
alternate
from
side
to
side.
So
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
and
we
keep
the
meeting
moving
forward.
Good.
AC
AC
We
are
located
between
the
empty
lot
that
was
used
for
overflow
parking
for
the
military,
Heritage
Museum
and
Fisherman's
Village
our
homes
and
the
empty
lot
next
to
us
are
presently
zoned
for
multi-family
residential
I
would
like
to
know
how
you
can
legally
or
morally
change
the
zoning
on
our
homes
without
even
telling
us
about
it.
No
notifications
at
all
you
are
changing
the
zoning
to
allow
Commercial
Business
to
be
built
right
next
door.
Plus
you
are
allowing
them
to
build
right
up
to
our
property
line.
AC
Why
would
we
want
a
restaurant
or
someone's
dumpster
right
on
our
property
line,
not
to
mention
rats
and
potentially
drunk
or
dangerous
strangers
close
to
our
homes?
It
terrifies
me?
This
is
not
great,
and
you
know
it's
not
right.
If
someone
built
right
on
the
property
line,
where
will
water
runoff
go
in
the
last
storm,
we
had
water
go
up
right
to
our
front
doors.
Cars
were
flooded
in
our
parking
lot.
West
Marion
was
a
dam
River.
AC
If
all
the
runoff
from
the
next
from
next
door
comes
onto
our
property
I
expect
it
could
get
much
worse.
Are
you
trying
to
drown
us
out?
Our
condos
are
two
stories
tall
present
zoning
allows
35
feet
plus
base
flooding
elevation.
What
your
proposing
building
is
over
70
feet
high
on
the
vacant
lot
90
feet
on
our
Fisherman's
Village
side
right
now.
Someone
can
build
30,
condos
or
apartments
on
the
beacon
lot.
You
are
proposing
120
units,
possibly
240
units
within
transfer
density
rules.
AC
Our
infrastructure
can
barely
handle
what
we
have
now
I
can't
believe
you
want
to
lower
our
property
values
and
destroy
our
quality
of
life
that
we
have
worked
so
hard
for.
Remember
when
acquiesce
property
was
going
to
be
developed
and
the
people
on
the
board
section
were
up
in
armed.
Why
can't
we
get
the
same
respect?
AC
We
are
real,
hard-working
people
whose
lives
are
going
to
be
negatively
impacted,
and
it
confuses
me
why
this
what
the
city
council
has
to
gain
here,
whose
idea
was
it
to
rezone
my
property?
We
are
planning
to
fight
the
zoning
changes.
It's
crazy!
It's
wrong
and
do
you
not
have
a
conscience?
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AD
I
can't
believe
that
you're
thinking
about
putting
at
least
60
dwelling
units
per
acre.
This
is
going
to
be
crazy
during
the
season.
You
can
barely
get
around
in
the
traffic
around
here
right
now
than
if
we
have
any
kind
of
emergency
that
happens.
Hurricane
storm,
the
traffic
is
going
to
be
just
crazy,
trying
to
get
out
I'm,
also
very
concerned
about
the
infrastructure
that
we
have.
Our
city
is
doing
a
great
job
right
now,
but
to
increase
the
population
is
going
to
cause
a
major
major
stress
on
our
infrastructure.
AD
AF
Good
morning,
city
council,
Janine
Polk,
citizen
of
Punta
Gorda
resident
of
Charlotte
County
for
over
50
years,
mother,
two
sons
who
are
sixth
generation
Punta
gordians,
so
I
have
a
lot
of
skin
in
the
game.
Last
night
I
contacted
Wayne
saliday
and
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
who
he
is,
he
was
the
man
in
charge
of
the
Charlotte
County
Emergency
Management
for
many
years,
and
he's
very
well
respected.
Last
night,
Mr
saliday
posted
on
Facebook
quote.
If
you
live
and
vote
in
Punta
Gorda
I
have
a
very
important
message
for
all
of
you.
AF
It
has
come
to
my
attention
that
your
city
council
is
considering
a
significant
change
in
densities
in
building
Heights
downtown.
They
know
in
their
hearts
that
this
is
a
potentially
deadly
decision.
Just
like
a
previous
council
did
when
they
denied
me
the
opportunity
to
place
evacuation
markers
on
stop
signs
to
alert
residents
to
the
risk
of
storm
surge.
Punta
Gorda
has
miraculously
escaped
storm
surge
inundation
by
Charlie,
Irma,
Ian
and
now
recent
Adalia.
AF
AF
AF
You
need
to
realize
what
you
are
saying
yes
to
the
storm
surge
we
just
experienced
was
a
warning
to
all
fact:
we
do
not
have
the
roads
to
handle
the
already
high
influx
of
population
in
the
city.
How
will
we
get
out
in
an
emergency
fact?
The
potential
for
flooding
in
downtown
is
certain.
If
it's
not
if
it
will
happen,
but
it's
when
it
will
happen
fact
there
has
been
no
traffic
study
done
in
Punta
Gorda
and
we
have
grown
considerably
in
recent
years.
Where
are
these
studies?
AF
AF
Fact
Charlotte
County,
Emergency
Management's
mission
statement
says
to
prepare
for
respond
to
recover
from
and
mitigate
against,
the
loss
of
life,
injuries
and
damage
caused
by
both
natural
and
technological
hazards.
That
would
adversely
affect
the
residents
and
visitors
to
Charlotte
County.
So
high
density
condominium
developments
right
on
our
Escape
Route
will
not
mitigate
against
loss
of
life,
but
will
intensify
it.
New
urbanism
does
not
consider
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
citizens.
You
must
thank
you.
L
My
talk
today
is
on
behalf
of
that
committee
concerning
the
proposed
Land
Development
regulations
or
ldrs.
The
proposed
ldrs
for
the
downtown
core
have
a
base
Building
height
of
50
feet.
However,
a
developer
May
opt
for
development
mitigation
to
increase
the
height
to
65
feet
or
80
feet
at
substantial
cost
to
the
developer.
Our
current
tax
base
is
approximately
90
percent
homeowner
funded
and
10
percent
commercially
funded
without
commercial
development.
L
L
A
50-foot
height
restriction
is
proposed
for
the
north
side
of
Marion
Avenue
from
41
North
to
41
South
that
lies
within
the
Main
Street
historic
district
overlay.
So
it
doesn't
overshadow
the
buildings
across
the
street,
including
River
City,
Grill
and
wineset
house,
also
known
as
formerly
Hemingways
development
mitigation
to
increase
the
height
to
65,
feet
or
80.
Feet
does
not
apply
to
this
section.
L
What
are
the
options
number
one?
We
can
stay
as
we
are
currently
continue.
The
19
years
of
old
cracked
asphalt,
pavement
dotted
with
sections
of
unmanicured
grass
and
weeds
or
adopt
the
proposed
ldrs
for
the
downtown
core,
with
a
base
filled,
Building
height
of
50
feet
and
allow
a
developer
to
development
mitigation,
to
increase
the
height
to
65
or
80
feet
with
a
55,
50
foot
height
restriction
for
the
north
side
of
my
Marion
Avenue.
L
Remember:
development
mitigation
does
not
increase
the
height
to
65
or
80
feet
along
that
section
of
Main
Street.
We
support
the
proposed
ldrs
because
number
one
provides
architecturally,
interesting,
varied
building,
Heights
and
roofline
features
and
number
two
creates
standards
or
additional
Heights
through
development
mitigation.
L
A
S
Excuse
me
Pat
Niles
Gateway
point
I
was
looking
over.
I
am
a
I.
Do
my
banking
at
Bank
of
America
and
I've
noticed
that
was
one
of
the
major
buildings
that
we
have
right
now,
that
is
business
and
it's
been
quite
a
while
and
I
haven't
seen
any
activity
other
than
they
still
have
their
two
trailers
in
the
parking
lot
and
I.
S
Do
my
banking
going
there
and
I
see
the
signs
in
front
of
the
first
floor
of
the
Bank
of
America
building
and
there
seems
to
be
no
activity
going
on
there
and
I'm?
Also
we're
going
to
be
adding
to
the
list
of
Punta
Gorda
Waterfront
Hotel.
If
that
gets
demolished,
that's
going
to
be
sitting
as
empty.
Also,
my
concern
with
Bank
of
America
is
I
would
think
as
a
business.
S
S
AA
Good
morning
my
name
is
Sean
kipfer
and
I
live
in
PGI
I
want
to
acknowledge
your
time
and
commitment
to
our
beautiful
small
City,
but
our
extremely
disagree
with
the
proposed
ldrs
I.
Don't
want
to
repeat
what
everybody
else
has
said,
but
I
concur
with
KMS
Tim,
Richie,
Janine,
Polk
and
so
on.
I
could
go
on
and
on.
AA
Why
are
you
not
letting
us
have
a
vote
in
passing
these
ldrs
and
density
changes?
The
only
notice
I
saw
that
it
even
was
going
on
was
on
page
eight
ended
August.
You
know
about
this
big
little
out
about
you
know
changing
things
so
drastically
and
we
had
11
days
to
read
an
over
500
document,
which
many
of
us
did.
AA
By
the
way,
all
the
way
to
Fisherman's
Village
good
morning
forever,
our
Waterfront
and
Peace
River-
that
kind
of
growth
isn't
smart
growth,
it's
greedy
growth,
the
developers
who's
in
your
talking
to
the
developers.
So
much
I
really
have
to
wonder
that
the
type
of
growth
you're
talking
about
and
just
building
up
and
building
up
and
building
up.
You
know
one
right
after
the
next
forever
drastically
change
the
nature.
AA
AG
AG
We
need
our
emergency
access
during
High
season.
You
know
with
the
Wildlife
Center
on
one
side,
Fisherman's
Village.
On
the
other
side,
how
are
we
going
to
get
good
emergency
access?
It's
going
to
be
so
packed
and
crammed
with
traffic.
It's
like,
historically
speaking,
the
nature
trail
has
been
used
for
emergency
access
getting
over
to
Fisherman's
Village
around
different.
You
know,
traffic
situations,
I
suggest
that
we
use
the
nature
trail
along
with
Walkers
divided
for
dedicated
emergency
routes.
We
need
dedicated
emergency
routes
on
and
off
the
point.
Don't
block
a
sin.
AG
Please
I
have
health
problems.
A
lot
of
us
have
health
problems.
If
you're
going
to
do
this,
then
we
need
a
speed
boat,
some
kind
of
ambulance
boat
or
something
or
other
some
other
option
don't
make
the
city
liable.
I'm
telling
you
now
there's
going
to
be
a
problem
in
the
future
and
Dover
cold
does
not
oversee
future
problems.
We
need
to
consider
future
problems.
The
zoning
boards
do
they
have
a
handle
on
special
circumstances
of
jutted
land
of
a
point
of
land.
This
is
separate.
AG
A
A
P
You
when
you
use
our
City
attorney
that
we
pay
for
to
make
it
where
citizens
can't
come
here
and
speak
for
three
minutes.
Anything
they
want
you.
The
message
is
real
clear
when
I'm
sitting
in
the
audience,
I
don't
want
to
hear
two.
Ladies
behind
me,
or
some
guy
who's
on
the
Planning
Commission
say:
shut
up
Bill
you
shut
up.
P
Ma'am
I'm
gonna
stop
I'm
sitting
here.
Please
calm
down!
Oh
I'm,
calm,
I'm,
very
calm!
You
calm
down
mayor
no
I
want
to
tell
you
part
of
the
public
hearing.
Is
we've
been
here
for
how
many
weeks
and
how
many
days-
and
we
have
all
told
each
one
of
you-
we
don't
want
this-
you
have
made
me
come
up
here
and
publicly
tell
each
one
of
you.
You
work
for
us
I'm
in
District,
three,
you,
your
vision
is
so
far
from
what
my
neighbors
want
and
what
I
want.
What
we
want.
P
How
much
do
you
pay
in
taxes
on
one
house?
You
pay
10
grand
a
year.
How
about
your
second
house?
Do
you
even
own
a
second
house
here,
I'll
tell
you
if
I
brought
my
84
year
old
mother
up
here
and
she
were
to
speak,
she
would
shame
each
one
of
you
now
I'm
going
to
keep
telling
you
you
work
for
us
staff,
you
work
for
us
Mitchell,
you
work
for
us.
Our
tax
dollars
pay
your
salary.
P
Now
today
we
expect
this
not
to
be
passed.
We
want
to
see
leadership,
be
a
contrarian.
Go
against
this.
Tell
the
developers
in
Mosaic.
No,
let
me
tell
you
I
love
my
country
and
my
community
I've
done
more
service
and
community
service
for
our
community
and
the
State
of
Florida.
Then
all
of
you
put
together,
don't
think
for
a
minute
I.
Have
it
I'm
telling
you
you
are
going
to
ruin
our
town
and
for
the
rest
of
your
lives
each
one
of
you,
you
think
hard
about
it.
Today
you
are
going
to
ruin
your
legacy.
P
O
Hi,
my
name
is
Kay
Ives
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
I
agree
with
you
on
on
changing
the
taxes
and
everything,
but
as
a
former
Builder
I,
don't
understand
how
adding
more
residential
will
help
increase
our
commercial
and
in
regards
to
we
did
have
height
requirements
and
restrictions
before
they
weren't
allowed
to
be
changed
by
a
vote
of
three
through
the
variance
process,
or
something
like
that.
If
there
was
a
special
exemption,
so
I
think
to
say
there
never
was
a
height
requirement.
O
O
Let's
see
yeah
I
was
also
concerned
that
we
were
spending
tax
dollars
to
have
the
attorney
attorney.
Look
so
that
residents
who
are
working
couldn't
come
and
say
anything
today.
I
would
like
to
have
a
city
council
that
you
know
is
receptive
and
listening.
I
feel
like
we're
going
for
a
divorce
here
and
I'm
like
can
we
go
to
marriage?
O
Counseling
and
you
know,
have
everybody
work
together
again:
smart
growth
was
one
of
the
resident
stakeholders
back
when
the
charrettes
was
started,
and
it
we
have
1150
Members
Plus,
and
we
have
not
been
contacted
since
then
to
get
more
resident
input
I'm,
not
sure
that
team
Punta
Gorda
has
nor
has
pgica,
of
which
I
remember
also,
and
then
someone
who
could
not
make
it
here
asked
me
to
read.
This
I
found
it
unconscionable
that
this
city
council
is
even
considering
passing
a
document
that
is
riddled
with
mean
and
admitted
errors.
O
On
top
of
that,
the
City
attorney
wrote
the
wording
and
handed
it
to
the
Planning
Commission
that
allows
the
city
planner
to
correct
these
so-called
scrivener
errors,
which
are
different
than
typos
after
the
document
was
approved
without
oversight
or
checking
by
anyone.
By
this
act
it
gave
the
city
planner
carte
blanche
authority
to
make
these
changes
and
other
changes
without
being
reviewed
again.
O
AE
AH
Hello,
my
name
is
Frank
Conte
I'm,
vice
president
of
the
historic
Punta
Gorda
civic
association
and
I'm,
here
to
speak
on
a
couple
of
comments
that
were
brought
up
here
today
that
if
I
was
a
person,
that's
coming
here
for
the
first
time,
I'd
be
a
bit
confused
for
clarification.
As
councilman
koharski
had
Mr
Lawson
clarify
you
can
build
100
foot
buildings.
AH
Now
we
have
current
zoning
now
that
allows
that
the
form-based
code,
that's
being
proposed,
actually
makes
it
more
restrictive
and
gives
I
think
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
better
availability
to
have
developers
come
in
and
develop
wisely,
the
code
now
with
plan
development
and
that's
going
to
be
eliminated.
I
think
this
is
a
big
plus
for
the
city,
but
somebody's
sitting
here
for
the
first
time
would
think
that
right
now
you're
voting
to
allow
development
because
development's
not
allowed
currently
and
that's
the
furthest
thing
from
the
truth.
AH
AH
Z
Good
morning,
Jerry
waxler
with
the
McCrory
Law
Firm
here
on
behalf
of
PGI
Marketplace
LLC
I,
have
been
a
land
use
attorney
for
30
years.
I
have
written
codes
personally
written
codes
for
local
governments
here
in
Southwest,
Florida
I
have
sat
on
committees
that
have
revised
codes,
including
here
in
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
and
I,
have
lectured
on
land
use
and
Zoning
at
courses
that
provided
continuing
legal
education.
As
you
consider
your
new
code,
it's
important
to
remember
that
density
is
just
a
measurement.
Z
Various
shapes
and
forms
of
development
can
yield
the
exact
same
residential
density.
In
the
exact
same
piece
of
property,
it
isn't
possible
to
develop
to
determine
the
development's
density
just
from
how
it
looks,
for
example,
on
the
screen
behind
you
in
front
of
you
on
your
computers,
the
building
on
the
corner,
the
red
and
white.
One
is
238
units
per
acre
and
the
building.
Z
Next
to
it
is
178,
it's
actually
the
two
yellow
buildings
178
units
per
acre
according
to
residency,
residencymhp.net,
a
site
developed
by
the
Massachusetts,
this
Housing
Partnership,
to
quote
recalibrate
how
we
View
housing
density
locally.
You
can
look
at
the
schoolhouse
Apartments
just
down
Goldstein
from
City
Hall.
No
one
has
ever
given
those
a
second
thought
and
they're
at
35.
Units
per
acre
density
has
several
benefits.
Neighborhood
features
and
amenities
like
restaurants
and
shops,
are
easier
to
support
with
increased
density.
Z
Increased
density
lowers
the
cost
of
providing
services
like
water,
sewer
and
waste
disposal,
and
increased
density
creates
more
complete
communities
places
where
people
can
live
work
and
play
smart
design
standards
and
appropriate
zoning
development
standards
ensure
non-intrusive
densities.
The
form-based
codes
you're,
considering
today
incorporate
just
such
design
and
development
standards.
Z
The
required
1.5
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
mean
that
all
residential
units
will
be
adequately
parked
on
site,
while
the
additional
mitigation
will
enable
the
creation
of
new
off-site
facilities
for
the
Overflow
commercial
parking
at
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
300
to
600
people
who
otherwise
would
have
had
to
drive
into
the
downtown,
can
now
walk
to
restaurant
shops
and
downtown
events,
which
will
at
times
alleviate
traffic
not
created.
Of
course,
there
will
be
people
driving
to
and
from
the
site,
but
for
comparison.
Z
Vivanti
has
375
units
more
than
the
number
of
units
that
the
proposed
60
units
per
acre
would
allow
on
this
site.
Has
anyone
noticed
or
complained
about
the
flood
of
traffic
emanating
from
that
Community,
whose
residents
have
to
drive
to
get
everywhere
development
on
City
Marketplace,
regardless
of
density,
is
going
to
incur
significant
cost
clearing
and
grading
the
site
installing
underground,
strong
water,
vaults
flood
proofing?
The
first
floor
of
the
mixed-use
buildings
are
all
costs
incurred,
regardless
of
the
density.
Z
The
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
allows
us
costs
to
be
spread
over
more
units,
reducing
the
per
unit
cost
keeping
rents
in
line,
while
still
providing
the
cash
flow
necessary
to
service
the
loan
on
what
will
be
at
least
a
150
million
dollar
project.
Each
of
you
have
seen
the
numbers
and
have
seen
how
lower
density
does
not
work
on
this
site.
Z
Z
AI
AI
Well,
we
shouldn't
call
it
that
the
buying
and
selling
of,
if
I
need
this
I
can
buy
that
and
you
can
have
this,
but
still
no
parking
a
quarter
space,
a
half
a
space
with
a
small
percentage
of
commercial,
so
really
we're
building
condos,
where
there
should
be
merchants,
we're
not
encouraging
commercial,
maybe
along
that
Corridor
of
41,
but
the
basic
part
of
our
city.
The
thing
that
Drew
us
all
here
ages
ago
was
the
fact
that
we
could
walk
to
the
grocery
store.
We
could
bicycle
to
the
barber
shop.
AI
Little
German
restaurant
yeah
I
go
back
that
far.
It
was
great.
Maybe
there
was
a
little
bit
too
much
parking
space
there,
but
never
were
we
out
of
parking
now
we
are,
and
we
continue
to
make
it
smaller
and
smaller,
because
in
somebody's
mind
next
year,
we're
going
to
stop
using
cars.
Well,
we're
not,
and
we're
also
not
going
to
be
bicycling
or
jogging
or
walking
all
of
us
two
miles
from
here
or
from
them
from
Coronado
into
the
city,
which
actually
is
a
little
over
two
miles.
AI
I've
done
it
I
did
it
all
summer,
one
year
for
a
marathon,
but
how
many
people
can
you're
not
addressing
the
real
issues?
The
height
is
going
to
add
Cars.
The
cars
are
going
to
have
a
quarter
of
a
space
for
four
people
or
four
units,
or
one
space
for
four
units,
what
happens
from
November
until
April,
so
our
Merchants
right
now
our
restaurants
are
going
to
suffer
because
there'll
be
no
place
for
people
to
come,
they're
all
going
to
have
to
walk
that's
wrong.
AI
A
AJ
My
name
is
Dr
Debra,
Lux,
United,
States,
Navy,
I.
Don't
even
know
why
you're,
even
thinking
about
approving
this,
you
know
you've
been
hearing,
oh,
but
it's
our
intent
to
do
this.
You
know
it
has
errors,
it
has
vague
languages.
I
know
mayor,
you
talked
about
getting
rid
of
all
these
bag
languages.
I
sent
you
an
email
and
I
also
presented
it
to
a
city
today
to
make
sure
that
you
have
it.
There
are
so
many
errors
in
this
I.
Just
don't
understand.
AJ
It
also
concerned
me
with
Planning
Commission
I
heard
somebody
on
the
Planning
Commission
I
want
some
names
say
well,
we
have
to
approve
the
ldrs
because
something
has
to
be
done
on
that
empty
lot
at
Marketplace
yeah.
Something
does
have
to
be
done,
but
no
one
complained
about
it.
When
we
had
the
the
Halloween
any
events,
all
the
fun
things
that
we
had
there,
that
was
a
great
empty
spot
for
us
to
have
all
our
fun
things
that
brought
in
Revenue
to
our
city.
So
it
changed
well.
AJ
Something
is
maybe
because
the
landowner
is
asking
more
than
the
actual
value
of
the
property.
Can't
we
put
some,
you
know,
blame
on
him,
because
we
can't
tell
him
how
much
he
can
charge
for
it.
So
maybe
it
is
the
property
owner's
fault
and
I
have
to
say
it's,
not
the
city's
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
any
landowner
or
developer
makes
a
profit.
It
is
not
and
stop
changing
the
ldrs
just
to
make
somebody
make
money.
Even
the
people
who
are
talking
today,
Pro
generally
have
a
biased
interest
in
it.
AJ
No
other
City
around
you
with
mixed
usage,
has
60
dwelling
units
per
acre.
None!
Look
it
up,
no
one.
Why
is
our
little
tiny
town
trying
to
do?
60
dwelling
units
per
acre
transfer
of
development
rates,
you're
right,
Mitchell
intent,
there's
an
intent
to
make
this
just
get
rid
of
it.
Council
members
can
change
and
adapt
if
they
want
just
get
rid
of
it.
It's
an
attorney's
dream
to
have
all
these
loopholes
in
it
and
I'm.
Sorry,
staff
changes.
AJ
How
are
how
is
Staff
changing
I
heard
you
say,
60
dwelling
units,
you
know
80
plus
plus
for
the
downtown
area.
What
gave
the
staff
the
right
to
say?
Well,
in
all
the
other
areas,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
increase
the
heightened
density
as
well.
Get
rid
of
this
Waterfront
overlay.
Waterfront
overlay
is
doing
nothing
but
harming
our
environment
get
rid
of
it.
We
don't
need
anything
close
to
our
water
with
heightened
density
and
traditional
Punta
Gorda.
There's
nothing
traditional
about
calling
a
traditional
Punta
Gorda.
AJ
It
has
all
these
exceptions,
all
these
things
that
say
well,
except
traditional,
Punta
Gorda.
They
don't
need
canopy,
they
don't
need
the
setbacks.
Zero
setbacks
seriously.
Two
deaths
already
have
occurred
because
of
this.
Let's
have
some
setbacks
parking
off
Street.
What
is
that
going
to
do
to
our
existing
small
businesses
that
are
there?
People
are
going
to
be
jacking
for
spots
to
visit.
People
won't
go
there
anymore.
It's
just
wrong.
AJ
A
AB
My
name
is
Mike
Polk
I'm,
an
appraiser,
an
attorney
in
a
Punta
Gorda
resident.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
clarify
is
the
25
commercial
requirement.
Okay,
the
25
commercial
requirement
should
be
out
of
the
total
rentable
building
area,
not
the
site
area.
You've
already
created
a
loophole.
Okay,
you
need
to
get
that
straight.
It
should
be
the
total
net
rentable
area
of
the
project,
not
the
side
area.
AB
Okay,
it
build
out
to
the
maximum
density
of
60
units
per
acre
with
25
percent
of
commercial
space.
The
development
of
City
Marketplace
site
will
contain
over
400
000
square
feet
in
site.
That
is
thirty
three
hundred
thousand
square
feet
larger
than
the
old
Punta
Gorda
mall,
that
was
on
a
larger
site,
Additionally
the
old
usave
site
containing
three
acres
as
the
potential
for
an
additional
240
000
square
feet.
So
just
those
two
sites
would
allow
for
640
000
square
feet
of
new
development,
downtown
640,
000
square
feet
of
building
area
on
8.4
Acres.
AB
To
put
this
into
perspective,
Town
Center
mall
contains
980
000
square
feet,
but
it's
located
on
a
77
acre
parcel.
What
impact
do
you
think?
This
type
of
development
will
have
on
our
current
substandard
storm
drain
system.
Do
you
even
care
many
commercial
buildings
downtown,
as
well
as
numerous
homes
in
the
historic
district
were
flooded
as
a
result
as
a
result
of
Hurricane
Adelia,
which
made
landfall
hundreds
of
miles
north
in
the
Big
Bend
area
of
the
state.
AB
This
was
a
relatively
minor
event
as
hurricanes
go,
but
both
Marion
and
Olympia
Avenues
were
closed
as
well
as
both
41
Bridges.
What
would
happen
if
a
category
three
or
four
storm
landed
just
above
us
in
Venice?
We
could
have
storm
surge
over
14
feet.
How
are
you
going
to
evacuate
PGI
when
the
roads
flood
due
to
our
substandard
storm
drain
system?
It
took
less
than
a
half
an
hour
for
our
storm
sewer
to
overflow
last
Tuesday
Morning
forcing
us
to
flee
our
home.
AB
These
issues
have
been
prevalent
for
decades
and
these
areas
flood
with
a
major
rain
event
or
a
no-name
storm.
The
development
that
will
result
due
to
the
densities
proposed
for
the
ldrs
will
make
the
flooding
much
worse
and
more
frequent
new
residential
and
Commercial
owners
can't
even
obtain
flood
insurance,
and
this
is
going
to
negatively
impact
values
and
is
a
major
concern
for
lenders.
AB
No
one
thinks
you're
courageous
for
ignoring
the
citizens
and
disregarding
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
community.
Your
legacy
as
a
council
will
undoubtedly
be
the
city
council
that
ruined
downtown
Punta
Gorda
and
the
historic
district
you
need
to
wake
up
before
it's
too
late.
You
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
make
Punta
Gorda
August
town.
AB
AK
AK
I
resigned
myself
to
the
fact
that
you
all
are
going
to
pass
this
I
think
it's
clearer,
I
think
you've
known
this
for
a
long
time.
That's
your
motive.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
though,
or
a
question.
I've
never
really
heard
a
clear
statement.
Why?
Just
why
I
hear
things
about?
Well,
you
know
we
need
to
attract
tax
revenue,
but
gosh.
Don't
I!
Remember
that
we
have
a
surplus
every
year
that
we've
been
putting
aside:
okay,
We
Can't,
Stop
growth.
Well,
yeah,
I!
Guess
that's
true!
It's
going
to
happen.
AK
AK
You
think
you
have?
We
should
trust
you
with
managing.
You
know
better
than
we
do
so
we're
going
to
trust
you
well
gee.
In
the
last
year
we
had
a
couple
occasions
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
were
starting
to
trust,
Fisherman's
Village,
what
a
fiasco,
what
a
almost
bad,
almost
situation
that
we
got
our
our
eyes
into
was
the
wolf
pulled
over
your
eyes
again?
AK
What
about
the
City
Marketplace,
where
that
monstrosity
downtown?
That
would
probably
be
with
us
right
now.
If
it
hadn't
been
identified
that
gee
they
wanted
to
go
up
to
ADT
and
the
citizens
spoke,
and
you
listen
to
some
degree,
although
we
really
don't
know
because
it
never
went
to
you
for
a
decision.
I'm
scared
to
know
what
the
answer
might
have
been
to
that
trust.
Should
we
trust
you?
That's
a
joke,
I,
think
by
the
experience
of
it
just
understand
what
you're,
what
you're
going
to
accomplish?
AK
T
AK
A
R
Go
ahead,
hello:
this
is
Kathleen
Davis
from
underwater
Isles
I've
noticed
listening
to
this
presentation,
a
few
things
that
do
not
seem
logical
to
me.
For
instance,
it's
being
presented
to
us
that
we
have
less
limits
now,
you
guys
are
actually
going
to
make
it
more
strict
for
the
Developers
and
I'm
thinking.
Well.
Why
is
that
person
who's
waiting
to
sell
his
8.4
million
dollar
property
downtown?
If
he
has
less
limits
now,
he
should
be
able
to
get
the
maximum
for
his
property,
because
if
you
are
going
to
impose
limits
then
he
should
be.
R
He
should
be
developing
right
now
he
could
go
up
to
the
hundred
feet.
He
could
do
all
this
stuff.
There's
people
that
are
waiting
for
this
out
these
ldrs
to
pass
they're
holding
their
property,
the
downtown
the
panagorda
Waterfront
Hotel
they're,
just
waiting
I,
don't
know
what
they're
waiting
for
I
think
they're
waiting
for
this
to
pass
so
that
they
can
make
more
money.
So
if
there's
less
limits
now,
it's
kind
of
strange
that
these
people
that
these
people
are
waiting
for
you
to
pass
this
so
they
can
develop.
R
The
other
situation
is
the
density.
When
you
have
lower
lower
income,
the
lower
income
properties,
you
go
the
higher
the
density,
not
only
per
acre,
but
per
apartment
is
gonna.
Go
if
people
I've
done
that
myself.
If
you
have
a
large
family,
you
you
fit
in
you,
might
you
make
it
make
do
so,
there's
going
to
be
even
more
crowding
and
I've.
Seen
recently
I've
seen
Maui
Katrina
The
Burning
Man,
you
know
evacuation
safety
getting
out
in
time.
Even
if
it's
not
a
hurricane,
these
are
important.
So
please,
please
think
about
it.
Thank
you.
R
A
A
A
J
A
So
the
the
regular
city
council
meeting
will
follow
the
budget
hearing
at
501
pm
on
the
20th
okay.
So
that's
your
emotion
just
needs
to
be
because
it's
going
to
be
one
continuous
meeting
we'll
handle
the
budget
issues
first
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
regular
Council
agenda
after
that
which
will
include
this
so
okay.
So
your
motion
will
need
to
reflect
that.
J
A
A
G
A
G
A
Okay,
first
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
residents
who
came
and
spoke
today
and
and
represented
their
their
position.
I
can
assure
you
that
these
decisions
don't
come
lightly
to
any
of
us
and
contrary
to
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made,
we
all
take
this
very
seriously.
This
has
been
a
five-year
work
in
progress.
This
is
not
something
that
just
happened
overnight.
This
is
something
that
has
evolved
over
time.
A
Lots
of
things
have
changed
in
this
community
and
we
have
to
adjust
accordingly.
So
there
are
things
that
you
may
not
like
that
have
to
get
voted
on,
but
this
is
going
to
move
forward
one
way
or
the
other
whether
it's
approved
or
not,
approved
it's
going
to
move
forward
at
the
September
20th
council
meeting.
So
we
just
have
to
decide
what
ingredients
will
be
incorporated
into
the
ldrs
if
the
changes
are
going
to
be
made-
and
this
is
when
we
have
our
deliberation
portion
of
the
meeting.
A
X
X
The
other
thing
we
wanted
to
discuss
was
that
traffic
studies
are
required.
It's
in
that
process,
section
of
the
document
related
to
requirements
for
certain
types
of
development
scales
of
development,
as
currently
written
and
adopted
in
the
current
Land
Development
regulation,
traffic
studies
required
for
any
development,
with
more
than
30
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space
and
again
those
thresholds
are
based
on
the
fact
that
the
existing
zoning
has
been
in
effect
for
many
decades,
and
the
infrastructure
of
the
city
is
built
to
accommodate
those
existing
zoning
classifications
and
allowances.
X
H
X
H
X
X
A
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
A
Yes,
20
yeah
Okay.
The
reason
I
asked
that
question
is
because
it
was
brought
up
with
my
group
yesterday
that,
right
now
we
we
allow
for
20
of
the
building
height
for
rooftop
amenities
with
the
way
the
current
code
exists,
so
we're
actually
making
that
less
by
limiting
it
to
10
feet
and
the
reason
I
brought.
That
up
is
because
it
doesn't
matter
how
high
the
building
is.
The
rooftop
amenities
are
still
going
to
have
the
same
height
restriction
at
the
same
height
needs,
no
matter
how
tall
the
building.
A
So,
even
if
you
have
an
80-foot
building,
your
rooftop
amenities
need
not
exceed
10
feet
correct.
That
was.
That
was
the
whole
reason
why
I
brought
this
up,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
20
of
the
building
height
any
longer.
Which
is
less
so
we're
restricting
that
even
more
than
what
we
already
have
so
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
a
very
important
fact
in
all
the
overall
height
that
we're
talking
about
I.
A
I've
been
really
I've
been
debating.
With
this
whole
issue
about
the
density
units,
I
I,
you
know
go
back
to
the
Dover
coal
study
and
the
Dover
coal
study
recommended
50
density
units
per
acre
and
personally
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
with
50.
I.
Don't
know
where
everybody
else's
head
is
at
on
this,
but
the
more
I've
thought
about
it
and
I've
spent
the
last
two
weeks.
Reading
my
eyeballs
are
about
ready
to
fall
out
of
my
head
from
reading
the
all
the
the
documents
that
we
have,
but
I'm
I.
A
A
X
Yes,
indeed,
flip
to
that
area,
so
the
the
Main
Street
historic
district,
which
is
Illustrated
on
the
screen
here
in
yellow
that
area
is
designed
as
and
designated
as
a
historic
district
in
this
draft
code
to
protect
those
existing
historic
properties
and
streetscapes.
So
that
does
include
the
100
block
of
West,
Marion,
Avenue,
Restaurant
Row
and
the
first
sort
of
60
or
80
feet
of
the
the
vacant
lot
across
the
street.
X
When
we
initially
drafted
the
code
we
did
propose,
the
consultant
did
propose
35
feet
as
a
building
height
based
on
the
existing
properties
and
their
historic
properties
and
their
building
Heights.
However,
upon
further
review
and
consideration
by
planning
staff,
we
felt
that
there
was
the
potential
for
a
regulatory
taking
under
Florida
statute
by
that
provision.
So
we
recommend
that
that
be
changed
to
50
feet,
which
is
consistent
with
the
existing
entitlements
within
the
city
center
Zone
in
classification,
which
cover
the
entirety
of
that
area
today.
W
W
So
the
Florida
legislature
adopted
an
act
called
the
bird
J
Harris
Jr
Act,
and
that
provides
a
a
separate
type
of
liability
for
the
city
if
the
result
of
its
regulation
inordinately
burdened
the
property,
which
is
a
technical
legal
term.
That's
based
on
on
site-specific
considerations
of
the
property
owners,
investment
backed
expectations,
which
again
is
a
completely
open
for
argument
concept
and
so
I
think
what
Mitchell
was
trying
to
say
was
that
by
reducing
current
entitlements
that
could
open
up
the
city
to
liability
more
likely
under
the
Berger
Harris
act
than
a
regulatory
taking.
W
C
A
G
J
J
A
A
The
city
council
at
that
time
suspended
impact
bees
for
a
period
of
time,
so
that
it
would
encourage
development
that
that
was
right
after
the
market
tanked
in
2008
and
things
were
still
reeling
and
after
a
period
of
time,
it
became
evident
that
we
needed
to
put
impact
these
back
in
place.
We
did
so
we
had
a
study
done
in
2018
and
immediately
thereafter
we
put
the
fees
in
place
and
implemented
them.
We
had
an
opportunity
and
I
was
on
council.
A
At
that
time
we
had
an
opportunity
to
tear
it
in
and
do
it
at
intervals.
We
chose
not
to
do
that
and
I'm
glad.
We
did
because
shortly
thereafter,
the
Florida
legislature
put
a
hammer
down
on
impact
fees
and
the
percentage
of
impact
fees
that
you
could
increase
at
any
given
time,
and
we
were
already
there,
so
the
county
actually
put
their
impact
fees
in
all
at
one
time
and
took
a
leap
of
faith,
because
there
was
an
opportunity
for
the
legislature
to
come
down
hard
on
them,
because
they
did
that.
A
A
I
wanted
that
on
the
record
as
well.
One
last
thing
is
that
I
do
think
we
need
to
take
us
another
look
at
this
parking
situation
for
for
the
city
center
area,
I
I
think
1.5
is
still
not
going
to
be
enough
I
and-
and
we
don't
have
any
proof
at
this
point-
that
we're
going
to
have
any
mitigation
in
the
way
of
a
parking
garage
or
any
other
additional
parking.
Downtown
I
think
that's
something.
We
definitely
have
to
take
another
look
at
before.
We
adopt
final
approval
on
any
of
this
stuff.
C
C
I
am
fine
with
doing
the
50
density
units.
I've
been
kind
of
thinking
about
that
as
well
and
looking
at
the
Dover
coal
and
listening
to
to
other
conversations
that
you
know
50
might
be
a
good
I
mean
I
know
it's
still
a
big
jump,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
it
still
can
can
get
it
done,
but
just
that
10
less
may
help.
C
The
other
question
I
have
is
actually
we
had
a
resident
bring
this
up
and
I
am
kind
of
curious
about
it,
because
I
had
actually
a
while
ago
emailed
somebody
and
staff
in
regards
to
the
Waterfront
Hotel,
for
example,
in
this-
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
appropriate
document
for
it.
But
do
we
have
a
length
when
we
have
some
of
our
commercial
buildings
that
are
sitting
I
understand?
It
was
a
hurricane
and
they're,
not
in
business.
C
That's
one
thing,
but
we
have
our
our
some
of
our
our
buildings
fall
that
are
becoming
dilapidated
and
it
seems
like
nothing
is
getting
done
and
that
may
not
be
the
case.
Can
you
just
kind
of
tell
us
what
that
you
know
how
that
works,
and
is
there
a
length
of
time
that
they
have
until
you
know,
certain
things
are
done,
Etc.
X
So,
building
a
parent,
our
property,
appearance
and
building
maintenance
is
sort
of
twofold.
You
have
the
actual
building
code
process
and
the
things
that
can
be
done
when,
when
buildings
are
being
inspected
under
a
permit
and
then
processes
that
can
occur
when
a
building
is
not
under
a
permit
and
when
a
building
is
existing
and
it's
not,
it
doesn't
have
any
open
building
permits
you're
in
the
Code
Compliance
realm
and
the
processes
there
are
not
baked
into
article
26..
X
W
W
There
is
nothing
that
the
city
can
do
to
require
a
vacant
property,
either
with
a
building
on
it
or
with
or
vacant,
without
a
building
on
it
to
be
redeveloped
or
developed.
I
mean
private
property
rights,
give
the
property
owner
the
opportunity
to
decide
how
they're
going
to
use
the
property
as
long
as
it's
not
violating
any
of
our
standards.
If,
if
there's
a
building
that
has
fallen
into
disrepair
and
it
reaches
a
level
where
something
needs
to
be
done.
W
Yes,
we
have
code
enforcement
to
deal
with
that,
but
the
suggestion
that
and
I
don't
know
what
the
situation
is
with
the
the
the
Bank
of
America.
But
let's
just
say
that
the
it's
a
safe
building
it
requires,
maybe
some
updating
inside
or
whatever,
and
the
property
owners
decided
not
to
spend
the
money
to
to
do
that.
The
mere
fact
that
it's
vacant
and
not
being
used
is
not
something
that
the
city
has
any
legal
authority
to
deal
with.
C
Yeah
I
think
it's
just
good
to
go
on
the
record.
I
think
some
residents,
maybe
not
not
necessarily
that
Resident,
but
just
in
a
public
forum
to
say
that
no,
we
do
have
co-compliance.
They
are
out
there
trying
to
work
with,
but
there
is
a
due
process
too.
So
just
because
you
don't
necessarily
see
anything
doesn't
mean
that
things
aren't
being
done
right.
Yeah.
A
I
Do
okay,
so
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
thank
and
congratulate
Mitchell
Austin,
the
entire
planning
staff
and
the
the
city
staff.
I
think
you
guys
have
done
a
masterful
job
shepherding
this
thing
over
the
last
five
years,
starting
with
the
Dover
coal,
which
was
not
a
sacrosanct
document,
it
was
a
recommendation
to
move
that
forward
through
all
the
charettes
getting
input
from
thousands
of
residents
and
stakeholders
to
get
where
we
are
so
I
I
congratulate
you
on
that
I
in
the
last
almost
two
years
that
I've
been
directly
involved
in
this.
I
Bringing
that
to
this
point,
it
went
through
the
the
Planning
Commission
and
was
strongly
recommended
to
approve,
but
here
we
sit
again
and
it
troubles
me
that
we're
rethinking
the
whole
thing
again
at
the
12th
hour
and
I,
just
I
I
think
we've.
We
need
to
move
forward
with
what
was
recommended
by
the
planning
committee
and
and
approve
it
as
it
as
it
was
the
the
density
units.
If
we
change
the
density
units,
that
was
a
recommendation
from
five
years
ago.
I
The
density
at
this
point
is
is
a
problematic
in
that
regard,
but
let's
say
that
it
that
it
doesn't
do
that
and
we
could
actually
get
it
approved.
What
you
wind
up
with
then
are
you're
still
going
to
have
the
height
and
the
floors
so
you're
going
to
have
bigger
units.
Well,
what
do
you
have
when
you
have
bigger
units?
You
have
more
expensive
units.
I
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
make
this
a
little
bit
more
reasonable,
so
that
families
and
and
people
that
are
working
downtown
can
actually
live,
downtown
and
walk
to
their
jobs
rather
than
have
to
to
to
get
in
a
car
and
drive
and
create
parking
problems
and
traffic
problems.
So
I
I
think
I.
Think
the
the
60
density
units
is
reasonable.
I
think
what
was
shown
here
I
mean
people
get
fixated
on
a
number.
When
you
actually
see
you
know
a
picture
of
what
it
looks
like
a
lot.
I
More
than
60
density
looks
like
it's
not
that
much!
It's
not
it's
a
it's
a
number.
It's
not
reality,
so
so
I
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
all
in
on
the
the
60
density
units
that
were
that
we've
given
staff
unanimous
Direction
already
to
to
approve.
As
far
as
the
parking
goes,
the
the
one
and
a
half
units
we
do
have
mitigation
in
there
because
to
get
to
the
65
or
the
80.
They
have
to
increase
the
parking,
not
just
another
half
or
a
quarter
of
a
it's
on
the
entire
property.
I
So
by
going
to
more
density,
they
have
to
provide
more
parking
already
and
then
they
have
to
provide
that
additional
amount
for
the
whole
thing,
not
just
the
the
a
couple
of
it
sounds
small,
but
when
you,
when
you
multiply
that
out
over
the
whole
project,
that's
a
significant
number
of
additional
parking
spaces
that
are
required.
So
again
we
gave
we
gave
City
staff
unanimous
direction
to
go
in
this
direction.
I
So
it
troubles
me
greatly
that
we
are
rethinking
this
thing
at
the
12th
hour
and
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
to
put
a
fork
in
this
and
move
on
and-
and
we
we've
thought
this
through.
My
my
biggest
fear
is
that
this
marble
starts
going
around
and
it
just
stops
on
the
20th
and
we
don't
stop
in
the
right
place,
because
if
we
kept
talking,
maybe
it
would
change
again
and
it
would
change
again
and
we
just
have
to.
We
have
to
finish
this
and
be
done.
I.
Think
we've
done
the
right
thing.
K
I,
don't
know
a
question
for
Mitchell
in
the
past
when
people
have
come
to
the
city
with
proposals
for
I
mean
I,
think
it's
all
about
City
Marketplace.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
what
kind
of
started
this.
What
has
been
the
reasons
why
nothing
ever
happened
because
I
mean
I
know:
we've
looked
at
a
couple
things,
but
I
know
there
have
been
other
ideas
that
never
got
to
us
to
look
at
so
what's
been
the
biggest
impediment
and
and
where
has
the
property
price
been
in
that
conversation.
X
X
In
terms
of
of
how
much
retail
would
be
required
to
sort
of
fill
out,
the
street
fronts
or
the
amount
of
office
space
demand
there
might
be,
and
those
two
issues
were
related
back
to
the
fact
that
the
residential
density
was
restricted
to
15
units.
An
acre
which
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
just
to
put
in
context
is
the
density
that
Suburban
rural
Charlotte
County
baked
into
its
comprehensive
plan
in
in
the
1980s
as
a
Suburban
maximum
residential
density.
So
they
were
just
thinking
about
Suburbia
as
Illustrated.
X
H
I'm
not
talking
about
anyone
specific
and
then
the
other
thing
was
even
when
some
had
proposed
even
higher
densities
than
60.
This
limits
that
down
to
less
than
that,
whatever
the
number
will
be,
but
they
used
the
full
building
and
they
didn't
have
architectural
features
on
top,
because
that
increased
the
cost
and
they
were
trying
to
get
to
a
bottom
line
of
return
on
investment,
where
this
proposal
does
require
that
architectural
structure
on
top
these
architectural
features
for
these
buildings.
H
So
the
architectural
features
that
some
looked
very
nice.
But
when
you
went
to
the
bottom
line,
they
had
to
start
taking
things
off
because
it
just
didn't
work
out
the
architectural
features
and
the
cost
per
square
footage
of
two
of
the
big
things
that
prevented
some
of
these
from
happening.
We
still
have
architectural
features
that
are
being
required,
even
more
so
now,
no
flat
top
buildings
and
then,
of
course,
the
cost
per
square
foot.
H
K
So
if
I
can
just
follow
on
to
that,
so
is
it
the
opinion
of
the
city
manager
and
the
staff
planning
step.
You
know
collectively
that
if
we
were
to
go
down
the
path
that
we've
talked
about
and
let's
say
it's
60
units
and
it's
the
parking
as
proposed,
it's
the
building
Heights.
Would
that
increase
the
potential
to
finally
get
something
done.
A
J
Your
hand
up
yeah
I'm,
looking
at
that
and
I
understand,
looking
at
50,
but
when
you,
when
you
drop
it
to
50,
you
automatically
lose
the
police
fire
nurses,
School
teachers,
the
stuff
that
get
they've
committed
that
building,
because
you,
the
only
way
it
would
work
in
the
performer,
is
instead
of
charging
eighteen
hundred
two
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
a
an
apartment,
you're
now
charging
14
to
1400
to
2
000
a
month
and
if
you
I
mean
four
thousand
a
month.
So
what
happens?
J
AK
J
This
I
I
visited
all
of
the
restaurants
and
the
businesses
downtown
in
the
last
30
days,
and
some
of
those
restaurants
down
there
they're
hurting-
and
their
word
is
what's
taking
so
long
to
build
something
across
the
street
because
they
want
those
people
coming
out
of
those
apartments
coming
into
their
restaurants.
We
were
in
wine
sets
last
week,
so
friends
out
of
town.
There
was
six
of
us
and
four
other
people
at
another
table,
and
that
was
it
a
good
business
owner.
J
When
he
opened
the
doors
each
day
they
know
what
number
they
have
to
get
to
to
break
even
I
guarantee
they
weren't
breaking
even
that
day.
So
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
there.
I
mean
I
understand
for
some
of
the
citizens,
maybe
get
a
little
upset
with
that,
but
I
think
I
think
it
works
for
some
development,
especially
downtown
okay,.
A
I
And
to
add
on
what
I
said
before
into
what
Greg
is
saying,
you
know,
as
and
as
far
as
the
density
is
concerned,
you
know
there
has
to
be
some
trade-offs
if
you
want
the
nice
articulated
Skyline
that
costs
money.
So
in
order
to
make
the
proforma
work,
you've
got
to
have
the
extra
height
you've
got
to
have
the
extra
density
or
you
wind
up
with
a
Spring
Hill
Suites.
I
So
so
all
of
those
things
need
to
be
considered
and
there
are,
there
are
concessions
and
trade-offs
and
I
would
also
say
you
know
we're
not
approving
a
project
here,
we're
just
setting
the
table
for
what
could
happen
sometime
down
the
road
and
we
missed
the
opportunity.
The
the
last
proposal
that
was
floated
was
was,
in
my
opinion,
not
necessarily
a
good
one,
the
one
before
that
the
developers
that
were
from
from
Pennsylvania
or
wherever
they
were.
That
was
a
nice
proposal,
but
they
couldn't
make
the
pro
forma
work.
And
now
the
economics
have
changed.
I
There's
nobody!
If
we,
if
we
approve
this
or
disapprove
this
there's
nobody
sitting
in
the
wings,
that's
going
to
start
digging
dirt
tomorrow,
you
are
years
away
from
having
anything
actually
happen,
downtown
to
get
it
all
through
the
planning,
the
approval,
the
engineering,
all
the
rest
of
that
is
going
to
take
some
time
and
the
the
economy
the
way
it
is
today,
with
the
interest
rates
and
everything
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
that
it's
it's
viable
right
now,
today,
we're
going
to
have
to
let
the
economy
settle
out
a
little
bit
before
I.
I
Think
people
start
to
really
look
seriously
about
doing
big
development
and
and
costs
from
covet
and
costs
from
all
the
rest
of
this
start
to
normalize
and
come
down
we're
not
we're
not
looking
at
you
know.
People
tell
me
all
the
time
we
just
need
to
do
something
with
that
piece
of
property
before
I
die
and
I'm
telling.
Well,
then,
you
can
better
hang
on
for
a
while,
because
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
right
away.
It's
it's
a
while
down
the
road.
I
K
A
H
Just
wanted
to
clarify
I'm
trying
to
just
provide
good
factual
information
when
we
looked
at
some
of
the
comments
and
talked
to
Denver
Cole
to
verify
how
they
calculate
us
when
they
did
their
renderings
in
the
master
plan,
they
verified
that
they
did
calculate
above
base
flood
elevation
and
the
way
it
was
calculated
at
the
time
that
they
did.
The
master
plan
was
20
percent.
H
Above
and
when
you
look
at
their
renderings,
you
can
see
that
the
total
Building
height
so
when
they
had
a
75-foot
building
height
in
the
master
plan,
20
above
that
15
feet
was
90
feet.
This
proposal
is
80
feet
above
base
flood
elevation
with
10
foot
on
top,
which
is
90
feet,
so
the
overall
height
level
from
Dover
Gold's
recommendation
and
the
proposal
today
is
the
same.
A
W
I'll
simply
say
this
I
was
asked
to
assist
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
formulation
of
emotion,
which
was
you
know,
under
the
circumstances,
rather
complicated
as
I
look
at
it
there's
three
potential
motions
that
could
be
made
by
the
city
council.
The
first
is
the
table
this
this
action.
The
second
would
be
to
approve
the
the
ordinance
with
whatever
changes
that
you
feel
need
to
be
made,
and
the
third
is
a
site
modification
of
the
recommended
action.
W
That's
in
your
packet
and
I'll
I'll
read
that
and
if
appropriate,
you
can
make
whatever
motion
you
wish.
This
one
says:
move
approval
of
ordinance,
z8-01-2023,
chapter
26,
Land,
Development
regulations
for
second
reading
and
further
move
that
planning
staff
be
allowed
to
resolve
any
scrivener's
errors
or
clearly
erroneous
Provisions.
That
may
be
addressed
prior
to
the
second
reading
of
this
ordinance,
scheduled
for
regular
city
council
meeting
of
September
20th
2023
at
501
pm.
C
Sec
sorry
I
had
I
just
I.
Just
don't
want
to
leave
this
I'm
very
passionate
about
this
Flex,
commercial
and
Highway
commercial.
Can
we
have
a
discussion
on
that
I
know.
Yeah
I
mean
I.
I
just
feel
like
we're.
Gonna
stifle
commercial
on
this
path.
If
we
don't
allow
parking
to
be
in
the
front,
I
know
that
just
doesn't
sound
like
that's
a
big
deal
but
I
feel
like
for
a
car
dealership
or
anything
in
the
future.
It
would
stifle
that
I
just
think,
it'd
be
easier
if
we
got
rid
of
it.
C
X
C
X
So
the
the
proposed
Flex
commercial
Corridor
is
along
the
US-41
corridor
from
roughly
the
Carmelita
Street.
So
you
have
the
where
my
cursor
is
pointing
that's
the
West
Marine
property
and
then
across
41.
On
the
other
side,
you
have
cross
Trails
shopping
plaza
so
from
that
location,
South
along
the
41
Corridor
to
Airport
Road
is
the
proposed
Flex
commercial
Corridor,
which
the
way
that
it's
written
right
now
is
by
and
large,
consistent
with
the
way
that
the
highway
commercial
zoning
classification
in
the
current
Land
Development
regulations
is
written.
X
H
G
I
C
I
C
Me
to
understand
so
to
kind
of
use
your
verbiage
setting
the
table.
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
again,
as
you
say,
is
setting
the
table
and
let
a
developer
make
up
their
minds
as
the
way
they
want
to
do.
It
I
feel
like
by
doing
this,
we're
taking
some
table
settings
off
and
we're
not
allowing
them
to
to
kind
of
build
the
way
they
do
with
that.
I
Well,
but
that's
why
I
asked
the
question:
I
am
all
in
favor
of
commercial
development
and
I
anything
that's
going
to
going
to
assist
the
additional
commercial
development,
particularly
in
that
area.
I
would
be
all
in
favor
of
and
that's
why
I
asked
the
question
yes
or
no
is
is
and
I'll
ask
it
again.
Just
to
make
sure
is,
is
the
proposed
changes?
Are
those
more
or
less
conducive
to
commercial
development
and
now
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
a
doesn't
matter.
It's
got.
X
D
AK
H
H
X
C
A
X
So
if
I
may
provide
a
tangible
example
that
we've
recently
had
the
former
or
currently
vacant,
but
former
SunTrust
building
there
was,
there
have
been
a
proposal
there
to
split
the
lot
to
build
a
new
Fifth
Third
Bank
on
the
southern
portion,
and
then
they
would
sell
off
the
northern
portion
of
the
site.
The
last
proposal
that
we
had
for
the
the
building
on
the
southern
portion,
the
existing
building,
is
like
4,
000
square
feet.
X
I
believe
and
the
proposed
new
building
is
around
1200
square
feet
for
that
southern
portion,
which
we've
gone
through
the
process
with
them
in
terms
of
conceptual
site
planning
and
it
it
is
possible
under
the
current
code
and
they're,
satisfied
with
that
they're
just
still
trying
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
move
into
this
Market.
Based
on
our
conversations
on
the
Northern
portion.
X
The
last
proposal
that
we
we
saw
was
for
a
drive-through
coffee
shop,
which
would
be
about
400
square
feet
in
Total
Building
area
and
impact
fees
Etc,
but
a
dual
drive-through
coffee
shop
and
under
the
current
code
it
would
be
very
difficult
for
them
to
build
that
sort
of
configuration.
But
the
taxable
value
of
that
is
is
almost
the
same
as
it
being
a
vacant
lot
because
of
the
building
size.
G
W
So
I
think
the
only
way
that
the
question
can
be
correctly
answered
is
by
saying
it
depends
upon
who
wants
to
use
that
property
for
what
purpose
they
want.
For
example,
years
ago,
I
was
retained
by
McDonald's
to
deal
with
Charlotte
County's
requirement.
That
would
be
similar
to
what
we're
talking
about
that.
W
G
H
If
you
want
a
grocery
store
in
that
example,
and
you
want
to
be
able
to
come
out
the
front
door
with
a
cart
and
go
to
a
car
in
the
parking
lot,
if
it's
facing
41
you
couldn't
so
it
would
have
to
face
sideways
or
another.
Direction
say
that
you
could
come
out
the
front
into
the
parking
lot,
because
it
would
have
to
be
on
the
side
or
rear.
X
So
when
we
initially
under
the
current
code,
when
we
initially
began
talking
with
the
property
owner
business
and
development
about
Redevelopment
of
that
site,
before
the
crash
before
the
Great
Recession,
it's
a
long
time
ago,
they
were
very
concerned
about
the
way
the
Land
Development
regulations
were
written
and
we've
worked
through
with
them,
how
they
could
use
an
out
parcel
system
to
address
the
code
requirements
and
provide
for
the
Redevelopment
of
the
head
and
tail
shopping
center
portion
of
the
site
and
remain
compliant
with
Land
Development
regulations.
So
along
the
frontage
of
41.
X
The
only
piece
that
was
built
so
far
has
been
the
Starbucks
anchored
portion
of
the
shopping
center,
but
there
was
actually
conceptual
plan
for
an
additional
freestanding
restaurant
and
an
additional
multi-tenant
building
at
the
corner
of
Williams
and
41,
and
those
pieces
plugged
in
would
make
the
site
compliant
and
they
could
scrape
the
the
head
and
Tails
shopping
center.
As
it
exists
and
redevelop
it
if
they
saw
fit.
X
I
On
okay,
I
move
approval
of
ordinance,
za-01
2023,
chapter
26,
Land,
Development
regulations
for
second
reading
and
for
the
move
that
the
planning
staff
shall
be
allowed
to
resolve,
discrivener's
errors
or
clearly
erroneous
Provisions.
That
may
be
addressed
prior
to
the
second
reading
of
this
ordinance,
scheduled
for
the
regular
city
council
meeting
of
actually
it's
not
the
regular
city
council.
AL
K
A
Motion
carries
unanimously
thank
you
to
the
city
staff
for
all
of
the
work.
That's
been
done
on
this
process
so
far.
Thank
you
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
their
very
diligent
review
of
everything
and
chair
Como
I
see
you
up
there
a
very
long
meeting
for
you
guys
as
well.
A
very
thoughtful
conversation
ensued
and
it
was,
and
I
was
not
able
to
be
here
physically
for
the
meeting,
but
I
watched
the
entire
thing
live
from
home
and
it
was
I
think
very
well
thought
out
and
very
very
thoughtful
conversation.
A
AM
Good
afternoon
Kristen
Simeone
Finance
director,
as
discussed
through
our
budget
discussions
for
sanitation,
we
talked
about
needing
a
rate
increase
for
sanitation
so
for
residential
single-family
residential.
We
said
a
dollar
so
breaking
it
up.
It's
75
cents
for
refuse
and
25
cents
for
yard
waste
rates
for
commercial
non-residential
customers,
it's
approximately
six
percent
overall
and
then
for
curbside
recycling.
The
rate
is
increasing
36
cents
per
month
with
the
approved
annual
contract
and
again
all
the
rates
provided
were
per
month.
G
A
A
AH
K
AL
A
AD
A
A
J
K
A
C
A
AK
AO
Having
me
here
today,
as
you
know,
your
2023
legislative
session
was
very
successful.
A
5.5
million
dollar
appropriation
for
your
septic
disorder,
sewer
improvements,
we're
very
pleased
about
that,
and
obviously,
with
your
help
with
Greg
coming
up
and
some
of
the
other
council
members
coming
up
and
visiting.
Also
with
legislators
and
staff
was
very
helpful.
There
was
117
billion
dollar
budget
that
was
passed
by
both
Chambers.
AO
AO
AO
This
expanded
many
tax-free
holidays.
For
example,
the
school
supply
tax-free
holiday
was
expanded,
but
it
also
expanded
some
property
tax
exemptions,
for
example,
property
tax
exemptions
to
surviving
spouses
of
First
Responders
killed.
In
the
line
of
duty,
there
was
a
very
large
housing
bill.
This
was
the
first
time
the
legislature
has
taken
up
this
subject
in
in
quite
a
bit
and
has
done
such
a
large,
cohesive
piece
of
legislation
and
in
that
bill.
Obviously,
you
know
as
we
prepared
for
you
all,
a
legislative.
What
happened,
and
it's
it's
like
almost
50
pages.
AO
I
won't
go
over
that
in
detail
with
you
all
today,
but
in
that
housing
Bill.
Some
of
the
highlights
was
that
it
did
remove
local
governments,
ability
to
approve
affordable
housing
on
residential
parcels
and
it
preempts
requirements.
Regarding
zoning,
I
can't
read
my
own
handwriting
zoning
density
and
height
and
Commercial
and
mixed
use
areas
under
certain
circumstances.
There
was
also
a
large
National
Emergency
natural
emergencies
Bill
and
that
provided
clarification
regarding
abandoned
vessels.
AO
It
created
local
government
emergency
bridge
loan
programs
with
50
million
dollars,
and
it
requires
local
governments
to
expedite
the
permit
issuance
following
a
natural
disaster
this
year.
We
anticipate
that
the
subject
matter
that
the
legislature
is
obviously
going
to
focus
on
I
think
they're,
going
to
focus
obviously
on
Storms.
Once
again,
we
just
had
hurricane
Adelia
coming
through
the
Panhandle
and
I.
Think
there
also
our
word
on
the
street.
Is
we
also
think
they're
going
to
focus
once
again
and
try
to
tackle
some
bit
of
property
insurance
at
the
2024
legislative
cycle
legislation?
AO
Let
the
official
legislative
session
begins
January
and
February
of
2024,
but
committee
weeks
start
as
soon
as
the
last
week.
I
think
it's
actually
during
your
next
city
council
meeting
September
20th
that
week
we
start
to
have
committee
weeks
so
I'm
here
to
discuss
I,
guess
your
priorities
and
see
what
you
have.
Our
recommendation
would
be
to
really
focus
on
a
lot
of
the
grant
programs
and
to
make
sure
that
your
5.5
million
dollar
Grant
is
spent
and
accounted
for
that
way.
A
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
city
manager
at
Great
length
about
this.
I
was
talking
to
some
of
Senator
albritton's
staff,
when
I
saw
them
last
and
I
was
told
not
to
be
shy
this
year
with
water
quality
and
Improvement
projects.
So
at
the
risk
of
asking
for
a
lot,
I
have
a
list
that
I
came
up
with.
I
haven't
even
run
it
by
the
council
members
yet.
But
we
can
talk
about
this,
but
there's
there's
some
fairly
substantial
projects.
A
We
have
on
our
front
burner
right
now
and
I
would
like
to
consider
asking
for
a
fairly
serious
amount
of
money
and
we'll
see
what
floods
to
the
surface,
because
we
know
we
have
to
go
through
a
lot
of
committees.
We
have
to
go
through
a
lot
of
budget
meetings
and
so
forth
up
at
the
state
level,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
real
opportunity
for
us
here
to
to
ask
for
some
things
that
we
really
need
help
with
the
first
project
would
be
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
expansion.
A
We
have
already
applied
for
some
grant
funding
for
that
project.
But
my
suggestion-
and
we
can
talk
about
this-
and
it's
completely
up
to
all
the
council,
members
and
consensus-
so
what
we
want
to
put
on
our
list
we're
talking
about
possibly
asking
for
10
million
dollars
for
that,
because
that's
going
to
cost
50
ish
is
that
right,
Greg
even
worse.
A
A
We've
also
got
five
and
a
half
million
this
past
year
for
that
project
for
design
and
engineering
and
Senator
Albritton
had
told
me
that
we
should
continue
asking
for
money
for
that
project,
because
that's
a
very
big
thing
for
them
at
the
state
level.
So
for
septic
to
sewer,
we
want
to
ask
for
15
million
I
think,
since
we
are
in
a
position
with
our
Seawall
Replacements
from
Hurricane
Ian,
that
we
should
ask
for
some
funds
to
help
with
that.
The
county
did
that
and
they
got
funds.
A
They
got
federal
funds
to
help
with
their
Seawall
replacement
program.
I
haven't
got
a
dollar
figure
on
that.
Yet
because
I
think
we
have
to
talk
about
the
fact
that
FEMA
has
told
us
that
they're
going
to
reimburse
us
75
percent
in
in
conversations,
we
don't
have
it
in
writing
yet,
but
they
said
75
percent
in
the
state
of
12
and
a
half
percent
that
still
leaves
the
12
and
a
half
percent
burden
on
this.
The
citizens
who
live
on
waterfront
properties
in
the
city
so
I
think
we
can.
G
AM
Chris
and
Simeone
a
finance
director
so
I
think
just
the
replacement
and
repairs
is
approximately
30
million,
but
then
we're
also
asking
for
the
hazard
mitigation
to
help
avoid
having
these
happen
in
the
future,
and
that
would
add
to
that.
Okay,
so
it
so
I
mean
so
our
total.
Our
total
estimate
is
about
50
million,
but
that's
including
a
portion
of
the
hurricane
Ian
Hazard
mitigation
as
well.
Okay,.
H
A
Well,
if
anything
we
can
get
to
mitigate
some
of
these
projects,
I
think
would
be
helpful.
Storm
drainage,
infrastructure
pipes.
We
have
had
a
number
of
infrastructure
pipes
underground,
go
bad
on
us,
because
we
have
a
very
ailing
elderly
infrastructure
in
many
places,
especially
in
our
downtown
area,
and
we
were
looking
at
the
possibility
of
five
million
dollars
for
that
project.
A
And
last
but
not
least,
when
we
had
our
joint
meeting
with
the
County
Commissioners
there
was
a
discussion
brought
up
that
they
would
like
us
to
take
possession
of
baynard
Road
I
would
like
to
investigate
if
we
can
get
funds
for
for
improving
that
road.
If,
and
only
if,
we
got
those
funds
that
we
could
take
possession
of
that
segment
of
baynard
Road
between
Rio
Villa
and
a
Kia
stop.
Since
we
already
have
possession
of
the
road
north
of
that
off
of
a
Kia
stop.
So
we
I
was
looking
at
2
million.
A
J
I,
like
it
I,
had
a
few
other
things:
I
had
Denman
for
septic
disorder
and
then
I
had
five
million
down
for
flood
mitigation.
So
we
can
start
to
maybe
look
at
that,
as
as
a
long-range
plan
to
correct
some
of
that
stuff,
downtown
at
5
million
for
acquisition
of
land
and
building
for
a
new
police
station
and
then
I
also
had
the
water
treatment
plant
in
there
as
well.
A
I
AK
I
Keep
going
further
and
further
with
that
and
and
there
are
more
and
more
counties
and
municipalities
that
are
pushing
back
against
that,
so
it
doesn't
cost
anything.
It's
not
a
money
thing,
but
I
would
like
to
keep
that
on
on
the
radar
and
I
agree
with
with
all
the
rest
of
the
priorities
as
far
as
money
that
you
guys
have.
C
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
agree
with
excuse
me
I
agree
with
all
that.
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
look
in.
You
know
if,
if
you're
kind
of
saying
that
there's
a
lot
of
Grants
out
there
for
opportunity,
then
I
think
as
we
go
with
our
ask.
We
want
to
follow
it
up
with.
We
have
asked
for
some
grants
already
for
Wastewater.
We
have
done
this
and
and
really
put
that
as
a
focus
too,
because
I'm
just
I'm
hearing
from
you
that
this
is
kind
of
the
word
on
the
street.
AO
Of
yes
and
Senator
Albritton
would
be
the
first
to
ask
when
you
meet
with
him.
Have
you
tried
to
get
grant
funding
for
XYZ,
whatever
your?
Whatever
your
project
is
so
I'm?
Looking
at
your
list,
this
is
pretty
extensive
and
these
are
really
really
large
numbers.
These
are
numbers
that
you
don't
see
a
city,
usually
a
municipality,
ask
for
usually
in
the
Appropriations
project
process.
AO
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
highly
suggest
is,
if
you
can
make
these
projects
into
different
phases,
phase
one
phase,
two
phase,
three
phase:
four,
with
smaller
numbers
that
are
numbers
that
we
normally
see
on
Appropriations
form.
I
know
we
were
incredibly
successful
last
year.
That
was
not
usually
that's
just
not
usually
the
case
that
the
number
that
we
were
successful
with
last
year,
so
I
did
want
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
S
A
The
works
it's
already
started
and
septic
to
sewer
project
has
already
started
as
far
as
the
planning
and
engineering
and
design.
So
you
know
there
we
have
to
start
somewhere
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
be
actively
involved
in
the
state
legislative
session
this
year.
Okay
and
and
we'll
put
it
together,
combined
with
everybody's
comments
and
we'll
come
up
with
a
list
that
we'll
have
we'll
actually
approve
at
a
future
council
meeting
and
then
we'll
we'll
share
it
with
all
of.
AO
You,
okay,
I,
do
need
to
get
sponsors,
so
the
sooner
I'd
say
before.
October
is
probably
ideal
and
I
know
that
I've
shared
the
appropriation
forms
with
you
Greg
and
your
team.
So
he
has
the
appropriation
forms
for
to
fill
out,
but
in
order
I'll
need
to
know
your
top
priority
project,
at
least
your
first.
You
know
sort
of
in
order
one
two
three
and
that
way,
then
we
can
secure
sponsors
and
have
conversations
with
them
and
sort
of
get
their
feedback
on
these
projects
as
well.
AL
Mr
manager
I
will
spend
time
with
you
to
go
through
these
projects
to
check
all
the
boxes
of
the
things
we
need
to
have
shovel
ready,
they've
done
the
grants
to
work
these
projects,
that's
what
I
did
for
a
government
government.
One
of
the
examples
is
the
short
money
we
got
well,
we
lobbied
all.
Last
year
the
program
has
been
expanded
now
so
they're,
subject
to
sort
of
dollars
sitting
there.
September
14th
is
a
deadline
to
put
more
substitute
sewer
dollars.
AL
Storm
water
has
now
been
opened
up
because
of
water
quality,
so
those
programs
last
year
they
weren't
available
now
they're
expanding
them
and
they're
going
to
keep
expanding,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
box
checked
Shuffle
ready
phasing.
Are
we
borrowing
srf
dollars?
They
want
to
see
all
these
questions
and
I
can
work
with
the
manager
project
by
project.
AL
So
that'll
help
you
prioritize,
which
projects
will
be
at
the
top,
because
at
the
end,
they're
going
to
turn
to
the
senator
or
House
member
say
I
need
your
number
one
project
or
in
the
house
rules
they
could
only
pass
an
item
that
is
50
or
more
of
your
ask.
So
if
you're
asking
for
10
million
dollars
and
the
house
only
puts
3
million
as
a
placeholder
during
that
process,
it
doesn't
qualify.
AL
So
expectations
of
the
numbers
is
what
we
need
to
manage
when
we
work
in
these
projects
and
we
can
help
with
that
with
the
phasing
but
I'll
work
with
the
manager
to
look
at
all
the
projects.
So
that
way,
you
understand
the
prioritization
and
check
all
those
boxes.
Because
they're
going
to
ask
you
mayor,
did
you
apply
for
septic
disorder
this
year?
We
did
that
we
got
rid
of
the
bmaps
right.
Did
you
apply
for
stormwater
resiliency?
AL
This
is
our
last
year
that
we
can
do
resiliency
implementation
projects
after
this
year,
you're
going
to
have
to
have
your
your
vulnerability
assessment
that
we're
doing
to
apply
for
Grants,
so
September
15th.
They
were
able
to
expand
the
time.
The
deadline
because
of
the
storm,
but
there
are
implementation
dollars.
Therefore,
the
sea
walls
and
buildings
for
government,
but
there's
an
opportunity
there
for
implementation,
now
not
have
to
get
the
back
of
the
line
for
those
other
grants.
Hopefully
next
year,
there's
money
for
that,
but
we
need
there's
that
opportunity
and
resiliency.
AL
Also,
so
I
can
look
at
that:
the
sea
walls
it
might
be
an
opportunity
or
a
government
building.
So
that's
part
of
that
resiliency
implementation,
money
so,
but
I'll
work
with
the
manager
project
by
project
and
then
I
can
give
you
a
ranking
to
help
him.
Give
you
better
recommendations
as
a
administrator.
Okay,.
D
K
AE
Good
afternoon
Sarah
Welch
for
the
record
under
announcement
of
vacancies,
we
have
one
regular
seat
on
the
code
enforcement
board.
We
have
the
Arts
representative
seat
on
the
donation,
Review
Committee.
We
have
one
city
resident
at
large
seat
on
the
general
employees,
pension
board
and
one
regular
seat
on
the
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board
under
nominations.
J
A
K
AE
And
then
under
dominations
we
have
one
contractor's
seat
on
the
building
board.
Mr
Giancarlo,
antona
and
Scott
Bostrom
have
both
expressed
an
interest
in
serving
and
are
eligible
to
do
so.
Scott
Bostrom
has
served
as
an
alternate
on
the
board
since
September
2021
and
has
served
three
times
during
that
period.
AE
I
will
note
that
during
that
period
the
building
board
has
met
rather
infrequently,
so
it's
not
that
he
hasn't
been
interested
in
serving.
There
has
just
been
limited
opportunity
to
do
so
so
since
we
have
two
interested
for
one
seat,
if
you
would
like
to
nominate
at
this
time,
we
can
vote
on
who
receives
the
seat
at
the
next
meeting.
A
C
AE
AE
H
I
still
are
moving
forward
to
try
to
get
our
list
of
ordinances
regulations
and
a
subsequent
to
that.
Of
course,
we
have
our
budget
coming
up
this
evening
and
projects
complete
so
I'd
just
like
to
thank
everyone
for
not
any
of
the
attention
they've
given
to
all
this,
but
the
amount
of
effort
goes
into
researching,
evaluating,
presenting
and
ultimately
approving
and,
of
course,
at
staff
level,
getting
things
done
based
on
the
approved,
so
we're
moving
forward
with
a
lot
of
things.
Of
course.
H
Fortunately,
this
past
hurricane
didn't
allow
us
or
didn't
cause
us
a
substantial
amount
of
damage,
just
a
lot
of
water,
as
opposed
to
wind,
also
so
we're
still,
hopefully
catching
up
with
some
of
the
projects
from
at
last
September
and
just
keeping
the
city
moving
forward
with
technology
improvements,
infrastructure
improvements,
the
evaluations
we're
doing
on
our
infrastructure
and
assets
and
all
the
financial
requirements
that
are
needed.
So
we
think
we
have
a
good
budget
as
well,
of
course,
will
be
presented
this
evening
and
helps
facilitate
that
and
we'll
continue
to
move
forward.
W
Have
a
brief
litigation
update,
so
I'm
currently
involved
in
two.
It's
me
three
cases
on
behalf
of
the
city.
The
first
involves
Mr
sheets
and
Mr
Massey.
You
will
recall
that
the
Circuit
Court
ruled
that
the
signs
of
Mr
sheets
and
Mr
Massey
did
not
constitute
indecent
speech
as
the
city's
ordinance
to
find
those
terms
following
that
decision
sheets
and
Massey
sought
an
order
in
Circuit
Court
to
have
the
court
pay
their
have
the
city
be
required
to
pay
their
attorney's
fees
after
a
hearing
before
the
circuit
court?
W
On
that
matter,
the
Court
ruled
against
Mr
Massey
and
Mr
sheetzen
ruled
in
favor
of
the
city
that
they
were
not
entitled
to
their
attorney's
fees.
Mr,
Massey
and
Mr
sheets
have
filed
an
appeal
to
the
second
district
court
of
appeal,
I
believe
it's
the
second,
maybe
the
sixth
and
a
reply
brief
in
each
of
those
two
cases
is
due
by
the
city
of
next
week,
so
I'll
be
working
on
that
right
away.
W
Secondly,
I'm
monitoring
the
fishville
Foreclosure
case
I
had
filed
a
motion
to
intervene
on
behalf
of
the
city
during
an
informal
status
conference
with
the
judge.
The
judge
said
he
would
be
inclined
to
Grant
the
city's
motion,
assuming
that
no
one
had
any
objection
to
the
city's
motion.
Fish
Bill
objected
to
the
city's
intervention
and
therefore
the
decision
now
would
be
whether
or
not
to
call
that
motion
for
a
hearing
I
haven't
decided.
W
A
Okay
city
clerk,
anything
additional
okay,
I
only
have
one
thing,
and
that
is
I
just
have
to
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
Dr,
Klein's,
passing
and
I'm
devastated.
He
was
a
very,
very
good
friend
and
a
colleague
and
I
worked
with
him
on
the
board
of
directors
for
this
Museum,
as
well
as
with
several
other
projects.
He
was
involved
in
and
he's
absolutely
solely
sorely
going
to
be
missed
in
this
community.
He
was
a
pillar
of
the
community.
A
He
was
due
to
receive
the
distinguished
civilian
award
at
the
military
Heritage
Museum
Gala,
which
was
scheduled
for
November.
It's
now
pushed
back
to
January
4th
because
of
the
fact
that
Sunseeker
is
delayed.
An
opening,
but
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
just
say
we're
going
to
miss
a
big
guy
and
I.
It's
I,
don't
have
any
more
words.
J
T
J
K
Me
think
yeah
I'm,
just
going
to
say
a
little
bit
about
the
flooding
in
the
historic
district
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
downtown
drainage
is
on
the
list.
I
live
on
a
very
short
block
between
Marion
and
West
Retta
and
on
our
street
three
houses
had
a
foot
of
water.
On
their
first
floor,
one
house
lost
both
of
their
cars.
Everybody
had
water
in
their
garage.
Dolly
looked
like
the
river
sticks,
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
not
a
great
experience
and
I
understand.
K
You
know
our
limitations
on
what
you
can
and
can't
do
and
how
much
money
it
costs.
But
I
really
do
think,
because
that
has
been
like
one
of
the
number
one
issues
as
long
as
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
that
our
citizens
would
like
to
see
addressed.
So
maybe
at
one
of
our
meetings
we
can
talk
about
downtown
drainage
because
you
know
not.
K
Everybody
would
will
have
watched
this
and
I
appreciate
what
the
city
manager
said
to
me
privately
and
in
this
forum,
but
I
do
think
we
need
more
education
for
people
so
that
they
realize
you
know
the
challenges,
especially
with
the
last
storm
and
I,
also
Echo
the
fire
chiefs
comments
about.
We
had
so
many
pickup
trucks,
racing
up
and
down
the
streets.